AeroElectric-Archive.digest.vol-nq
December 11, 2016 - January 08, 2017
At 11:09 AM 12/10/2016, you wrote:
>On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:57 AM, user9253
><fransew(at)gmail.com> wrote:
><fransew(at)gmail.com>
>
>There has been a recent discussion on VansAirforce questioning
>whether or not the E-Bus should be fused.
I've read it . . . and there are several pieces
of spaghetti getting wrapped around unrelated axles.
I'm updating Z-11 and working on the supporting narrative.
Watch this space . . .
In the mean time, please encourage participants
in the VAF forum to bring the discussion to the
AeroElectric-List. Wayyyyy back when, there was a
time that I tried to play electro-whizzy hop-scotch
across a half dozen forums and it became totally
unwieldy.
If a Z-figure is being discussed, please bring the
conversation here where analysis and resolution can
be archived on the AEC-List and appropriate changes
made to Z-figures and supporting documentation.
Thanks!
Bob . . .
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| From: | "William Greenley" <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
Building an RV-10 and working on wiring following Z-12 with 60 amp main
alternator from B & C, and 30A backup alternator also from B&C. Planning on
using the mythical 6-cyl P-Mags, but in the meantime will be setting up
shower of sparks as I have that on hand. A couple of questions regarding
switches. As I look at the endurance bus, I am trying to figure out what is
an appropriate switch to use, I am looking at putting the GTN 650, a G3X
display, flap motor, fuel pump, and landing lights on the endurance bus.
While the 650 can be a large draw, that is only while transmitting, similar
with the fuel pump and flap motor. Lights would only be for a few minutes on
landing. But in total these could be a large draw for short periods of time,
what is an appropriate switch to use for the endurance bus, typical toggle
switches I see are rated at no more that 15 - 20 amps. I really don't want
to use one of the pull switches.
A similar question for an avionics bus, while I know this is not needed to
protect the avionics, I have been advised it is a good idea so that there is
minimal battery drain while starting the plane, after start you flip the
avionics master to turn on the majority of the avionics. Some items like one
display, and the engine sensors would be powered on with the main battery
switch. It seems like this switch could be asked to handle a lot of amps,
with radio, transponder, etc. What are your thoughts on an avionics bus for
this reason, and also what is an appropriate switch to use?
Bill Greenley
Build an RV-10 in SW Michigan
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| From: | don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Z-12 questions |
William,
The EBus should be switched with a relay. The avionics switch is not a good
idea as it introduces a single point of failure. I believe that you might
be misunderstanding the EBus concept. It is designed to power only
essential items such as in an electric ac one efis one com and maybe the
pmags. The idea is that you can easily reduce the electrical load such that
the available fuel is the only determining factor as to when you will need
to land. Switching the master off reduces the load to the point that your
standby alternator can power the remaining load till you arrive at your
destination. You could then switch the master back on and hve your entire
panel for the landing. Fuel pump and flaps are not required for cruise
flight although they do draw any current when switched off, so they are not
against the EBus concept. Hope this helps. I have an RV7 with Z12-8 from
day one and it works perfectly as designed. My standby alternator is the
B%C SD8.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:09 PM, William Greenley
wrote:
> Building an RV-10 and working on wiring following Z-12 with 60 amp main
> alternator from B & C, and 30A backup alternator also from B&C. Planning
on
> using the mythical 6-cyl P-Mags, but in the meantime will be setting up
> shower of sparks as I have that on hand. A couple of questions regarding
> switches. As I look at the endurance bus, I am trying to figure out what
is
> an appropriate switch to use, I am looking at putting the GTN 650, a G3X
> display, flap motor, fuel pump, and landing lights on the endurance bus.
> While the 650 can be a large draw, that is only while transmitting, simil
ar
> with the fuel pump and flap motor. Lights would only be for a few minutes
> on landing. But in total these could be a large draw for short periods of
> time, what is an appropriate switch to use for the endurance bus, typical
> toggle switches I see are rated at no more that 15 =93 20 amps. I r
eally
> don=99t want to use one of the pull switches.
>
>
> A similar question for an avionics bus, while I know this is not needed t
o
> protect the avionics, I have been advised it is a good idea so that there
> is minimal battery drain while starting the plane, after start you flip t
he
> avionics master to turn on the majority of the avionics. Some items like
> one display, and the engine sensors would be powered on with the main
> battery switch. It seems like this switch could be asked to handle a lot
of
> amps, with radio, transponder, etc. What are your thoughts on an avionics
> bus for this reason, and also what is an appropriate switch to use?
>
> Bill Greenley
>
> Build an RV-10 in SW Michigan
>
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| From: | William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Z-12 questions |
My thinking on the ebus was that the radio has a very small draw when not
in use, and the flaps, landing light and fuel pump have zero draw. Having
them on the ebus would allow their use for landing in case of master
contactor or switch failure, if not for that failure mode, the need for the
ebus would be if both alternators fail. Wonder which is more likely.
On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 1:33 AM, don van santen
wrote:
> William,
> The EBus should be switched with a relay. The avionics switch is not a
> good idea as it introduces a single point of failure. I believe that you
> might be misunderstanding the EBus concept. It is designed to power only
> essential items such as in an electric ac one efis one com and maybe the
> pmags. The idea is that you can easily reduce the electrical load such th
at
> the available fuel is the only determining factor as to when you will nee
d
> to land. Switching the master off reduces the load to the point that your
> standby alternator can power the remaining load till you arrive at your
> destination. You could then switch the master back on and hve your entir
e
> panel for the landing. Fuel pump and flaps are not required for cruise
> flight although they do draw any current when switched off, so they are n
ot
> against the EBus concept. Hope this helps. I have an RV7 with Z12-8 from
> day one and it works perfectly as designed. My standby alternator is the
> B%C SD8.
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:09 PM, William Greenley
> wrote:
>
>> Building an RV-10 and working on wiring following Z-12 with 60 amp main
>> alternator from B & C, and 30A backup alternator also from B&C. Planning
on
>> using the mythical 6-cyl P-Mags, but in the meantime will be setting up
>> shower of sparks as I have that on hand. A couple of questions regarding
>> switches. As I look at the endurance bus, I am trying to figure out what
is
>> an appropriate switch to use, I am looking at putting the GTN 650, a G3X
>> display, flap motor, fuel pump, and landing lights on the endurance bus.
>> While the 650 can be a large draw, that is only while transmitting, simi
lar
>> with the fuel pump and flap motor. Lights would only be for a few minute
s
>> on landing. But in total these could be a large draw for short periods o
f
>> time, what is an appropriate switch to use for the endurance bus, typica
l
>> toggle switches I see are rated at no more that 15 =93 20 amps. I
really
>> don=99t want to use one of the pull switches.
>>
>>
>>
>> A similar question for an avionics bus, while I know this is not needed
>> to protect the avionics, I have been advised it is a good idea so that
>> there is minimal battery drain while starting the plane, after start you
>> flip the avionics master to turn on the majority of the avionics. Some
>> items like one display, and the engine sensors would be powered on with
the
>> main battery switch. It seems like this switch could be asked to handle
a
>> lot of amps, with radio, transponder, etc. What are your thoughts on an
>> avionics bus for this reason, and also what is an appropriate switch to
use?
>>
>> Bill Greenley
>>
>> Build an RV-10 in SW Michigan
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Z-12 questions |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Minimizing battery drain during engine cranking is not a valid reason to have an
avionics switch. Avionics use very little current compared to the starter motor.
A better way to improve starter performance is to use larger wire size.
An avionics master switch is an unnecessary failure point.
Use an automotive relay located near the battery to power the E-bus. A small
panel mounted switch can control the relay. Relays have the advantage of remote
control and larger current carrying capacity. Search for relay part number
1432793-1. It is rated for 40 amps, costs less than $5, and has a built-in
diode for arc suppression. The diode arrow should point towards positive or else
it will self destruct.
Here is a link to a circuit that you might consider:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7ZTG2VpCuDRSVNVa3JwUmFuMzQ/view?usp=sharing
The E-Bus will not draw power from the main battery during engine cranking. The
small brownout battery will prevent E-Bus voltage sagging during engine start.
Thus avionics will not reboot.
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463838#463838
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Z-12 questions |
At 07:54 AM 12/11/2016, you wrote:
>My thinking on the ebus was that the radio has a very small draw
>when not in use, and the flaps, landing light and fuel pump have
>zero draw. Having them on the ebus would allow their use for landing
>in case of master contactor or switch failure, if not for that
>failure mode, the need for the ebus would be if both alternators
>fail. Wonder which is more likely.
Your throwing a lot of rocks into the electro-gearworks . . .
First, the E-bus is an ENDURANCE bus originally intended
to offer a simple, plan-B approach to MINIMIZING loads
on limited energy resources for the en route phase of
flight.
The idea was that should the ONLY engine driven power source
become unavailable, then it's entirely possible and
practical to plan for continued, comfortable flight to
airport of intended destination (or a similarly
friendly one where repair resources are available).
In other words, inoculate your system against the
'dark-n-stormy-night' syndrome.
As originally proposed, the E-bus would let flyers
continue with RUNNING LOADS as small as a few amps
with a goal of reaching friendly concrete.
Over the years, the E-bus has been badly mutated
into a collection of band-aids that go to addressing
very unlikely if none existent worries. Worries easily
address by consulting gray-beards here on the List
and deciding just what devices are must useful for
meeting the ENDURANCE mode design goals.
Z-12 was the next evolutionary step for replacing
a pieces-of-@#$# generator on Bonanzas with an
alternator having about 4-5x the output and 100x the
service life. . .
It was never being suggested as the elegant solution
for a clean piece of paper design. I'm not suggesting
that it's not going to perform as intended . . . in
fact, it's a perfectly satisfactory alternative to
the legacy architecture typical of a few hundred
thousand spam cans (the vast majority of which will
not be center stage in a dark-n-stormy-night story).
Emacs!
If you're well down the road with Z-12 then I would
recommend ditching e-bus, and anything resembling an avionics
bus. With a robust second alternator, you will not
be energy deprived for the en route phase of flight.
Just reduce loads till the alternator loaded light
stops flashing. This holds ALL of the battery's
contained energy in reserve for descent and approach
to landing . . . turn on anything else you want to
have (short of the air conditioner).
Emacs!
Loosing ONE properly selected, installed and maintained
alternator is very unlikely. Loosing BOTH alternators
is on a par with being hit by an incoming meteor.
if Z-12 is good for hundreds of Beech, Piper and Mooney
airplanes obsessed over by hoards of folk paid good
salaries to WORRY about everything . . . then it's
golden in your projct.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | On other topics. |
>Building an RV-10 and working on wiring
>following Z-12 with 60 amp main alternator from
>B & C, and 30A backup alternator also from B&C.
>Planning on using the mythical 6-cyl P-Mags, but
>in the meantime will be setting up shower of
>sparks as I have that on hand. A couple of
>questions regarding switches. As I look at the
>endurance bus, I am trying to figure out what is
>an appropriate switch to use, I am looking at
>putting the GTN 650, a G3X display, flap motor,
>fuel pump, and landing lights on the endurance
>bus. While the 650 can be a large draw, that is
>only while transmitting, similar with the fuel
>pump and flap motor. Lights would only be for a
>few minutes on landing. But in total these could
>be a large draw for short periods of time, what
>is an appropriate switch to use for the
>endurance bus, typical toggle switches I see are
>rated at no more that 15 ' 20 amps. I really
>don=99t want to use one of the pull switches.
See http://tinyurl.com/z22xf8q
Laboratory performance ratings for switches are
almost totally irrelevant in the single engine
light aircraft that sees perhaps 100 flight cycles
per year MAX. The Carling toggles offered by B&C
and others are suited for any of the RV10's appliance
loads.
>A similar question for an avionics bus, while I
>know this is not needed to protect the avionics,
>I have been advised it is a good idea so that
>there is minimal battery drain while starting
>the plane, after start you flip the avionics
>master to turn on the majority of the avionics.
. . . old flyer's prophylactic having roots in a time
when radios were fitted with vacuum tubes and
electro-mechanical power supplies. Also a time when
airplanes were cranked with rather soggy, flooded, lead-
acid batteries.
Emacs!
The avionics master (like the Kettering spark
system) is a feature we can appreciate for its
value at the time . . . but happily discarded
when that value diminishes and gets replaced by
something better. See http://tinyurl.com/jn6gykz
Emacs!
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Audio Isolation Amplifier Boards |
I've had some requests for the bare etched circuit board called out
in the DIY amplifier project featured at http://tinyurl.com/hn28p2q
Unfortunately, there is a minimum quantity for fabricating these. If
I could sell three more boards at $25 each postage paid, I would be
wiling to bring another batch of these in house.
This was probably the most successful DIY project on the AeroElectric
website. I think we sold about 80 of those boards over the years.
I've placed an order for the boards based
on requests received to date. The boards
are ordered in lots of 6. From the 2
lots just ordered I'll have 4 residual
boards available.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: led trim display |
| From: | "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> |
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
> At 07:18 AM 8/29/2013, you wrote:
>
>
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > The Europa that I am building uses a Ray Allen for pitch trimming. I have
read over the years that some folks have the same problem you are experiencing
when transmitting. It seems that the greatest success is keeping the wire run
as far from antenna and associated wires as you can. I installed 5 conductor
twisted with shielding from ACS:
> >
> > http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=30484 (http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=30484)
> >
> > Ron Parigoris
>
> After pondering schematics for the trim indicator,
> the reason for it's sensitivity to RF becomes
> apparent. The design was never evaluated and
> crafted for immunity to RF interference. There
> are critical components missing from the design.
>
> I note further that voltage used to excite the
> potentiometer in the actuator is the rudimentary
> 1.2 volts supplied by the internal reference
> regulator. An excerpt from the LM3914 specifications
> states . . .
>
> [img]cid:.0[/img]
>
>
> A higher reference voltage increases noise immunity
> for the A/D conversion and less jitter or uncertainty
> in the bar-to-bar transitions for the display. I would
> have considered at least a 5v reference and probably
> some higher value still by adding R1/R2 as described
> above.
>
> Referring to the data sheet again we see that bias (or
> input load) current at the signal pin (5) is 100nA or
> less.
>
> [img]cid:.1[/img]
>
> This means that we could put a resistor in series with
> pin (5) of say 10,000 ohms and exert less than 1 millivolt
> of error in the signal voltage. At the same time we would
> add say 1000pF capacitor from pin 5 to ground (pin 2).
>
> This mod alone might fix the RF sensitivity problem. As
> a matter of good design practice I would bypass the power
> input pin (3) to ground as well.
>
> The designers also missed a great opportunity to make
> their product truly 'universal' by not exploiting the
> expanded scale voltmeter example in the specifications.
>
>
> [img]cid:.2[/img]
>
> Adding a few components and a couple of pots would
> allow the indicator to be tailored to a specific installation
> such that full down trim would illuminate the bottom led,
> full up trim the top led . . . irrespective of the actuator's
> as-installed stroke.
>
> I offered to help these guys with this product line at
> OSH about 20 years ago but they weren't interested. They
> also appear to have learned nothing new by way of feedback
> from the field as to how their product has been performing.
>
> Getting back to the original query for driving two indicators
> from one actuator pot, a study of the schematics and data
> suggests that two indicators running in parallel on one pot
> will not significantly 'load' the signal. Hence, you can wire
> one indicator to the actuator per installation instructions.
> Then wire the second indicator wire for wire in parallel
> with the first but leave its potentiometer excitation voltage
> wire (orange) floating.
>
> Bottom line is that this indicator would benefit greatly
> from due diligence to rudimentary operating characteristics
> and limitations. Adding the resistor and capacitor described
> above may fix the RF sensitivity issue. The idea that an
> installer should be burdened with careful positioning of
> wires to mitigate design flaws is decidedly un-cool.
>
>
>
> Bob . . .
Hi bob. I have this problem. When I press the PTT the ray Allen led flickers and
dims. I've read your post above but don't really understand what is need to
rectify the problem. In the simplest of language how would I go about to resolve
the problem?
Many thanks Frank
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| Subject: | Trim position indicator |
I'm looking for some idea on how to implement a trim position sensor.
Attached is a picture of the aileron trim mechanism.
DC motor on the right drives a cogged belt with an idler pulley on the left. There
is no limiter on the motor. It can run continuously. When it is unable to
pull the bellcrank, the belt begins slipping.
The mechanism works fine. I'm not looking for a new trim mechanism.
But I would like to know where the system is positioned. I thought about a small
magnet on the belt and then some type of sensor but I think that would be too
coarse.
So I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to implement a sensor.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463896#463896
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/fff_small_544.jpg
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Hi Don,
I think you want one of these:
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/racpos12sensor.php?clickkey=35250
[]
At 03:48 PM 12/13/2016 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>I'm looking for some idea on how to implement a trim position sensor.
>
>Attached is a picture of the aileron trim mechanism.
>
>DC motor on the right drives a cogged belt with an idler pulley on the left. There
is no limiter on the motor. It can run continuously. When it is unable to
pull the bellcrank, the belt begins slipping.
>
>The mechanism works fine. I'm not looking for a new trim mechanism.
>
>But I would like to know where the system is positioned. I thought about a small
magnet on the belt and then some type of sensor but I think that would be
too coarse.
>
>So I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to implement a sensor.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463896#463896
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/fff_small_544.jpg
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
how about a servo potentiometer geared to the idler pulley
On Dec 13, 2016, at 19:30, Matt Dralle wrote:
Hi Don,
I think you want one of these:
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/racpos12sensor.php?c
lickkey=35250
At 03:48 PM 12/13/2016 Tuesday, you wrote:
m>
>
> I'm looking for some idea on how to implement a trim position sensor.
>
> Attached is a picture of the aileron trim mechanism.
>
> DC motor on the right drives a cogged belt with an idler pulley on the lef
t. There is no limiter on the motor. It can run continuously. When it is un
able to pull the bellcrank, the belt begins slipping.
>
> The mechanism works fine. I'm not looking for a new trim mechanism.
>
> But I would like to know where the system is positioned. I thought about a
small magnet on the belt and then some type of sensor but I think that woul
d be too coarse.
>
> So I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to implement a sensor.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463896#463896
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/fff_small_544.jpg
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Hey Matt,
I thought about that. But since this isn't a linear mechanism, I couldn't figure
out how to implement that sensor.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463899#463899
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
>
>
>But I would like to know where the system is positioned. I thought
>about a small magnet on the belt and then some type of sensor but I
>think that would be too coarse.
>
>So I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to implement a sensor.
Emacs!
There's a family of ten-turn potentiometers. You
might be able to couple one of these to your
idler pulley.
See http://tinyurl.com/gunkre5
Bob . . .
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| From: | ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Hi Don Johnston;
Ray Allen makes a trim position sender that you could actuate by anchoring one
end and fastening the other to the crank arm. It will not send a "stop" signal
to the trim motor, so you will have to provide some other method of limiting
the stroke of the trim motor.
Cheers! Stu.
----- Original Message -----
From: "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 3:48:24 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Trim position indicator
I'm looking for some idea on how to implement a trim position sensor.
Attached is a picture of the aileron trim mechanism.
DC motor on the right drives a cogged belt with an idler pulley on the left. There
is no limiter on the motor. It can run continuously. When it is unable to
pull the bellcrank, the belt begins slipping.
The mechanism works fine. I'm not looking for a new trim mechanism.
But I would like to know where the system is positioned. I thought about a small
magnet on the belt and then some type of sensor but I think that would be too
coarse.
So I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to implement a sensor.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=463896#463896
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/fff_small_544.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position sensor |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
If you fastened a magnet to the belt, mount many magnetic reed switches side by
side (glass touching glass) so that at least one switch will always be activated.
25 switches (part number 934-FLEX-14-20-25) cost about $10 total at Mouser.
Reed switches are most easily activated when the magnet is parallel to the switch.
In other words, the magnet north pole is near one end of the switch and the
south pole is near the other end of the switch. A bar magnet should lay flat
on the belt with its axis perpendicular to the length of the belt.
Perhaps others can design a circuit to convert switch closure to panel display.
--------
Joe Gores
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| From: | don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Your trim system is a "spring bias" system. The belt spring connection
could be used to drive the device that Matt suggested. Thete are a few
caveots.
1 the sensor has only 1 inch of travel.
2 you would need to find the "neutral point by trial and error
3 if the belt spring connection travels more than 1 inch total you would
need to usr a bell crank to cot the input to the sensor to one inch total.
4 spring tensions must be equal with neutral trim (only in the air unless
your elevator is fully balanced)
Set up, double sided tape the sensor so that a rod connected to the belt
spring connection and attached to the slide in the sensor pushes and pulls
the sensor slide as the trim is moved up and down.
If the indicator register bsckwsrda, swap the power and return wires on the
sensor. Fly and move trim. If tbe center point is too far off mlve the
sensor in or out to correct .
Hope this helps. Btw this is similar to the aileron trim set up in an RV7
except it is driven by a servo with the motoon sensor built in.
On Dec 13, 2016 17:51, "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
Hey Matt,
I thought about that. But since this isn't a linear mechanism, I couldn't
figure out how to implement that sensor.
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| Subject: | Stratux position data |
| From: | "Paul J. Michel" <n616pm(at)gmail.com> |
Hey Ya'll
I'm looking into ditching my Garmin 510 and using only ForeFlight with the Stratux
for navigation. Currently I'm feeding my 406 ELT position data from the Garmin
but want to retain that ability with the IPad/ForeFlight/Stratux set up.
Has anyone done this? Anyone know the exact pins on the Sratux to pull GPS position
from to make the 406 ELT happy? I ordered the Stratux already built so
I probably need to be spoon fed.......
Paul
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Stratux position data |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 12/14/2016 9:17 AM, Paul J. Michel wrote:
>
> Hey Ya'll
> I'm looking into ditching my Garmin 510 and using only ForeFlight with the Stratux
for navigation. Currently I'm feeding my 406 ELT position data from the
Garmin but want to retain that ability with the IPad/ForeFlight/Stratux set up.
> Has anyone done this? Anyone know the exact pins on the Sratux to pull GPS position
from to make the 406 ELT happy? I ordered the Stratux already built so
I probably need to be spoon fed.......
> Paul
GPS pucks are pretty cheap; often under $20. Why not just add a
dedicated GPS?
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
| From: | "Eric M. Jones" <emjones(at)charter.net> |
Bob is right. The ten LED trim position indicator detects the reference 1.2V FULL
SCALE. At the LSB it can only read 0.12 V which is below the noise level in
the environment. This is not hard to fix. 12V full scale would eliminate the
problem.
My approach to this was to make a trim wheel, which indicated the trim position
with a little fiduciary line (like Cessna). I no longer make these but might
do so in the future. The Trim Wheel is right at the top of my "I-had-this-part-in-my-old
-airplane-and-need-another-for-my-new-airplane list." The "Trim Wheel"
potentiometer also changed the voltage to my TSCMR, True Servo Controller
for Mac and RAC. This can also be used separately with your own potentiometer,
as well as a pushbutton-row assembly or what have you.
--------
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge, MA 01550
(508) 764-2072
emjones(at)charter.net
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
At 06:51 PM 12/13/2016, you wrote:
>how about a servo potentiometer geared to the idler pulley
>
>On Dec 13, 2016, at 19:30, Matt Dralle
><dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
I've been mulling this over the past few days.
Had to spend a lot of time on the road . . . good
opportunity for sifting the seeds of ideas.
That idler pulley seems the opportune
location for tapping into trim system position
data. With a little creating work on a small
lathe, you could remount that pulley on
a shaft supported by a bushing extending
through the mounting surface. Is there room
behind that bulkhead to mount a potentiometer?
It seems likely that full stroke travel of
the trim system will not produce more than 10
revolutions of the idler pulley. The pot
would be rigged to produce 50% of full scale
voltage with the trim system mechanically
neutral.
Simple electronics can offer electrical adjustment
of the pot voltage should mechanical neutral be
offset from aerodynamic neutral.
If you had a voltage representing trim postion,
where/how would you display it?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
> At 06:51 PM 12/13/2016, you wrote:
>
> That idler pulley seems the opportune location for tapping into trim system position
data. With a little creating work on a small lathe, you could remount
that pulley on a shaft supported by a bushing extending through the mounting
surface. Is there room behind that bulkhead to mount a potentiometer?
>
> Bob . . .
Yes, that would be an elegant solution. There's plenty of room on the forward
side of the bulkhead. However, I don't have access to a machine shop. :(
The position data would be sent to the VPX. It has inputs that can handle the Ray
Allen position sensors which then displays it on the GRT HXr EFIS.
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| From: | "Bill Schertz" <wschertz343(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/15/16 |
I don't think you need a machine shop. Hardware store has bronze 'oillite'
bearings in different shaft sizes, that can be epoxied into a bulkhead. Then
some use of Aluminum angle to mount the pot.
Bill Schertz
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1. 09:50 AM - Re: Trim position indicator (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
2. 07:00 PM - Re: Trim position indicator (donjohnston)
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From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com>
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Trim position indicator
At 06:51 PM 12/13/2016, you wrote:
>how about a servo potentiometer geared to the idler pulley
>
>On Dec 13, 2016, at 19:30, Matt Dralle
><dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
>
>
I've been mulling this over the past few days.
Had to spend a lot of time on the road . . . good
opportunity for sifting the seeds of ideas.
That idler pulley seems the opportune
location for tapping into trim system position
data. With a little creating work on a small
lathe, you could remount that pulley on
a shaft supported by a bushing extending
through the mounting surface. Is there room
behind that bulkhead to mount a potentiometer?
It seems likely that full stroke travel of
the trim system will not produce more than 10
revolutions of the idler pulley. The pot
would be rigged to produce 50% of full scale
voltage with the trim system mechanically
neutral.
Simple electronics can offer electrical adjustment
of the pot voltage should mechanical neutral be
offset from aerodynamic neutral.
If you had a voltage representing trim postion,
where/how would you display it?
Bob . . .
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Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Trim position indicator
From: "donjohnston" <don@velocity-xl.com>
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect wrote:
> At 06:51 PM 12/13/2016, you wrote:
>
> That idler pulley seems the opportune location for tapping into trim
> system position
data. With a little creating work on a small lathe, you could remount
that pulley on a shaft supported by a bushing extending through the
mounting
surface. Is there room behind that bulkhead to mount a potentiometer?
>
> Bob . . .
Yes, that would be an elegant solution. There's plenty of room on the
forward
side of the bulkhead. However, I don't have access to a machine shop. :(
The position data would be sent to the VPX. It has inputs that can handle
the Ray
Allen position sensors which then displays it on the GRT HXr EFIS.
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| Subject: | Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
IMPORTANT! If you are a user of the app version of Airport Courtesy Cars, please
view it for an important message about the possible closure of the app, or view
the page here:
https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/app-status.html
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/15/16 |
At 08:11 AM 12/16/2016, you wrote:
>
>
>I don't think you need a machine shop. Hardware store has bronze
>'oillite' bearings in different shaft sizes, that can be epoxied
>into a bulkhead. Then some use of Aluminum angle to mount the pot.
Agreed . . . 'jeeping' a pot onto the
idler shaft is just a matter of noodling
through the mechanical tinker-toya. Given
that the sensor is a plain-jane potentiometer,
you can probably connect it directly into
the trim signal input of the EFIS assuming
that it probably expects a signal bounded
by zero and 5 volts. There may even be
a 5v output from the EFIS that can be tapped
to excite the pot.
Does your idler pulley have a bearing built
in or is it a pulley with set-screw or other
fastener designed to mount directly to a
shaft. Assuming the latter, can you acquire
one that attaches to a shaft?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Stratux position data |
| From: | "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com> |
The Stratux is a wireless software package and does not offer "pins".
More specifically, some of the Rasp Pi modules do have USB ports.
You did not say which ELT you have or what the exact specs are it needs
for GPS input. Many need RS232 serial, a 50 year obsolete protocol.
That's not to say that you can't alter the software to use a USB
port to output GPS strings. But then you would need an ELT that
talks USB.
--------
Ira N224XS
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Audio Isolation Amplifier Boards |
At 10:47 PM 12/11/2016, you wrote:
>
>
>I've had some requests for the bare etched circuit board called out
>in the DIY amplifier project featured at http://tinyurl.com/hn28p2q
All boards requested have been shipped and
I'm out of boards.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
At 05:48 PM 12/13/2016, you wrote:
>
>I'm looking for some idea on how to implement a trim position sensor.
I'm going to Wichita today and may have
a chance to meet with my counterpart in
the mechanical side of our cooperative
endeavors. I may have an idea for fabricating
a potentiometer assembly on your idler shaft
using ordinary hand tools . . . Gene will,
no doubt, have some ideas to contribute . . .
need to know if your idler pulley has
a built in bearing to function as an idler
or does it attach to a shaft that is carried
through an external bearing.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Bob,
The idler has an integrated bearing and is held in place with an AN bolt.
Don
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
put a gears wheel on the shaft of a servo pot and bolt it to the bulkhead so the
toothed belt is tangent to and drives the gear.
On Dec 17, 2016, at 17:45, donjohnston <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
Bob,
The idler has an integrated bearing and is held in place with an AN bolt.
Don
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
At 04:50 PM 12/17/2016, you wrote:
>
>put a gears wheel on the shaft of a servo pot and bolt it to the
>bulkhead so the toothed belt is tangent to and drives the gear.
That seems the simplest approach . . . what are the
pitch and width of the cog-belt?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Airport Courtesy Cars App Closing? |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I am happy to report that thanks to donations, the site continues. View the donors or add your name by clicking here: https://www.airportcourtesycars.com/thank-you-donors-.html Thanks, Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
> put a gears wheel on the shaft of a servo pot and bolt it to the bulkhead so
the toothed belt is tangent to and drives the gear.
I like it! :D
I can pick up another cogged pulley that has an ID which will fit over the shaft
of a pot.
Now I just need to figure out what type of pot. Since the VPX will accept an RAC
trim position sensor, does anyone know what the spec's are for that? I'm assuming
that it's basically a linear pot.
-Don
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Another builder informed me that the Ray Allen servo pot is 5K ohm.
Unverified.
--------
Joe Gores
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| From: | Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Gents,
FWIW, high quality gears, sprockets & chain drives are available from
http://servolink.com
In addition, the web page has facilities for drive design. Technical
support is also available.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com
On Dec 18, 2016, at 4:21 PM, donjohnston <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
<don@velocity-xl.com>
> put a gears wheel on the shaft of a servo pot and bolt it to the
bulkhead so the toothed belt is tangent to and drives the gear.
I like it! :D
I can pick up another cogged pulley that has an ID which will fit over
the shaft of a pot.
Now I just need to figure out what type of pot. Since the VPX will
accept an RAC trim position sensor, does anyone know what the spec's are
for that? I'm assuming that it's basically a linear pot.
-Don
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position sensor |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Install another bellcrank with its lower end attached to the outboard end of one
of the springs. Connect a Ray Allen position sensor to the new bellcrank at
a point that matches the travel requirements.
Or drive the new bellcrank with a Ray Allen servo (with built-in sensor and limit
switches). Replace the existing motor drive gear with an idler gear.
--------
Joe Gores
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
At 06:58 PM 12/18/2016, you wrote:
>
>Another builder informed me that the Ray Allen servo pot is 5K ohm.
>Unverified.
The value of the pot is very non-critical . . . 1 to 10K would
work . . . it's simply a voltage divider that is biased up
with a 5v source from your EFIS system.
You'll want a MULTI turn pot that will accept more
rotation than what results from full-stroke motion
of the cog-belt against the add-on pulley. Here's
a likely candidate . . .
http://tinyurl.com/gn4rs23
for a 10-turn device to which you can add the pulley
and bracketry to make the installation.
Bob . . .
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| From: | William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
Still learning about alternators and have a question. Building an RV-10
with IO-540 engine. Have to mount on the engine BC460-H belt driven 60 amp
alternator, and BC410-H accessory case mounted backup alternator. Thinking
about failure scenarios. My understanding is that a master contactor or
battery failure would take out both alternators as they need a battery
online to help control the operation of the alternator. With the IBBS 6 AH
battery having a charging line off of the main power bus, would that have
any influence on this?
Bill Greenley
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| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Once up and running, an alternator will keep working even if the battery is disconnected.
However, the the alternator output might be unstable without a battery.
A contactor failure or battery open circuit failure will not take out an
alternator, but the output voltage might fluctuate. Yes, a 6 amp hour will
have a stabilizing affect. Exactly how much will need to be determined by testing.
It is very rare for a battery to fail suddenly without warning, although
my PC680 did suddenly develop an internal open circuit. The vast majority of
small planes are flying without backup batteries or backup contactors.
--------
Joe Gores
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| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
The IBBS will detect any failure of the main bus that results in a bus voltage
falling below 11 volts, regardless of the cause. When this occurs, backup battery
voltage will be provided to all of the connected equipment powered via the
outputs of the ibbs.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
> On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:34 AM, William Greenley wrote:
>
> Still learning about alternators and have a question. Building an RV-10 with
IO-540 engine. Have to mount on the engine BC460-H belt driven 60 amp alternator,
and BC410-H accessory case mounted backup alternator. Thinking about failure
scenarios. My understanding is that a master contactor or battery failure would
take out both alternators as they need a battery online to help control the
operation of the alternator. With the IBBS 6 AH battery having a charging line
off of the main power bus, would that have any influence on this?
> Bill Greenley
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| From: | William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
I understand how the IBBS battery system works as a backup, and that is why
I am buying. What I am trying to figure out is since alternators (at least
most included B & C's) need the battery to be online to "buffer" the
alternator output, does the IBBS battery charging line on the main bus
offer any of this "buffer" capability so that an alterntor would keep
running even if he main contactor were to fail. I am thinking it would not
since the charge line is one way only, the IBBS battery would not put out
any current unless their was a power failure.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>
> The IBBS will detect any failure of the main bus that results in a bus
> voltage falling below 11 volts, regardless of the cause. When this
> occurs, backup battery voltage will be provided to all of the connected
> equipment powered via the outputs of the ibbs.
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> 610-928-3420
>
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:34 AM, William Greenley
> wrote:
> >
> > Still learning about alternators and have a question. Building an RV-10
> with IO-540 engine. Have to mount on the engine BC460-H belt driven 60 amp
> alternator, and BC410-H accessory case mounted backup alternator. Thinking
> about failure scenarios. My understanding is that a master contactor or
> battery failure would take out both alternators as they need a battery
> online to help control the operation of the alternator. With the IBBS 6 AH
> battery having a charging line off of the main power bus, would that have
> any influence on this?
> > Bill Greenley
>
>
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| From: | Peter Pengilly <peter(at)sportingaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
I don't really understand what you mean by 'one way'? If the alternator and
ibbs are both connected to the bus bar current will flow to the device with
the lower potential, for the circuit to work they must also be grounded. If
the master relay fails why won't everything keep working until you land?
Why do you need a additional battery? Master relay failure is rare.
Peter
On 23 Dec 2016 02:11, "William Greenley" wrote:
I understand how the IBBS battery system works as a backup, and that is why
I am buying. What I am trying to figure out is since alternators (at least
most included B & C's) need the battery to be online to "buffer" the
alternator output, does the IBBS battery charging line on the main bus
offer any of this "buffer" capability so that an alterntor would keep
running even if he main contactor were to fail. I am thinking it would not
since the charge line is one way only, the IBBS battery would not put out
any current unless their was a power failure.
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>
> The IBBS will detect any failure of the main bus that results in a bus
> voltage falling below 11 volts, regardless of the cause. When this
> occurs, backup battery voltage will be provided to all of the connected
> equipment powered via the outputs of the ibbs.
>
> Bob Newman
> TCW Technologies, LLC
> 610-928-3420
>
> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:34 AM, William Greenley
> wrote:
> >
> > Still learning about alternators and have a question. Building an RV-10
> with IO-540 engine. Have to mount on the engine BC460-H belt driven 60 amp
> alternator, and BC410-H accessory case mounted backup alternator. Thinking
> about failure scenarios. My understanding is that a master contactor or
> battery failure would take out both alternators as they need a battery
> online to help control the operation of the alternator. With the IBBS 6 AH
> battery having a charging line off of the main power bus, would that have
> any influence on this?
> > Bill Greenley
>
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| From: | Tcwtech <rnewman(at)tcwtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
The charge/sense line will not provide any substantial buffering of the main
bus. It is an input only and the ibbs battery is not "seen by" the main bu
s. There is a series of input capacitors amounting to about 40 uF from our e
mi filter that the voltage regulator of the alternator would see, but to the
extent that this satisfies the control loop in the alternator/regulator sys
tem we really can not comment.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies, LLC
610-928-3420
> On Dec 22, 2016, at 8:58 PM, William Greenley wrote:
>
> I understand how the IBBS battery system works as a backup, and that is wh
y I am buying. What I am trying to figure out is since alternators (at least
most included B & C's) need the battery to be online to "buffer" the altern
ator output, does the IBBS battery charging line on the main bus offer any o
f this "buffer" capability so that an alterntor would keep running even if h
e main contactor were to fail. I am thinking it would not since the charge l
ine is one way only, the IBBS battery would not put out any current unless t
heir was a power failure.
>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Tcwtech wrote:
>>
>> The IBBS will detect any failure of the main bus that results in a bus vo
ltage falling below 11 volts, regardless of the cause. When this occurs, b
ackup battery voltage will be provided to all of the connected equipment pow
ered via the outputs of the ibbs.
>>
>> Bob Newman
>> TCW Technologies, LLC
>> 610-928-3420
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 2016, at 10:34 AM, William Greenley wr
ote:
>> >
>> > Still learning about alternators and have a question. Building an RV-10
with IO-540 engine. Have to mount on the engine BC460-H belt driven 60 amp a
lternator, and BC410-H accessory case mounted backup alternator. Thinking ab
out failure scenarios. My understanding is that a master contactor or batter
y failure would take out both alternators as they need a battery online to h
elp control the operation of the alternator. With the IBBS 6 AH battery havi
ng a charging line off of the main power bus, would that have any influence o
n this?
>> > Bill Greenley
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Here is a circuit for those concerned about the master contactor failing. An automotive
relay is connected in parallel with the master contactor. The relay
is disabled during engine starting to prevent excessive current from flowing
through the relay contacts. Prior to turning on the master contactor, the relay
can be energized to be sure that it works. The relay must be shut off to
start the engine. After engine start, the relay may be turned back on. If the
alternator fails, the battery master contactor can be shut off to conserve energy.
During cruise flight, the relay will only carry battery charging current. Aircraft
load current will flow directly from the alternator to the main power bus,
not through the relay.
When playing with avionics in the hangar with the engine off, the relay can be
turned on instead of master contactor. Notice that the arrows on arc-suppression
diodes point towards positive.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464274#464274
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/contactor_bypass_462.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/contactor_bypass_143.jpg
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
If you're going to that much trouble why not just have two independently switched
contactors?
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 11:13 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
>
> Here is a circuit for those concerned about the master contactor failing. An
automotive relay is connected in parallel with the master contactor. The relay
is disabled during engine starting to prevent excessive current from flowing
through the relay contacts. Prior to turning on the master contactor, the
relay can be energized to be sure that it works. The relay must be shut off to
start the engine. After engine start, the relay may be turned back on. If
the alternator fails, the battery master contactor can be shut off to conserve
energy.
> During cruise flight, the relay will only carry battery charging current. Aircraft
load current will flow directly from the alternator to the main power bus,
not through the relay.
> When playing with avionics in the hangar with the engine off, the relay can
be turned on instead of master contactor. Notice that the arrows on arc-suppression
diodes point towards positive.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464274#464274
>
>
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/contactor_bypass_462.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/contactor_bypass_143.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
> If you're going to that much trouble why not just have two independently switched
contactors?
There is not much trouble, same number of components either way. The relay has
the advantage of less current, less weight, less cost, and less space. I am
not necessarily recommending this circuit. Just offering it for others who want
redundancy.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464278#464278
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| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
The only contactor failure I've had is when it welded itself shut, due to a short
in the starter motor. It's quite unusual not being able to turn off the aircraft..
On 23Dec2016, at 7:12 PM, user9253 wrote:
> If you're going to that much trouble why not just have two independently switched
contactors?
There is not much trouble, same number of components either way. The relay has
the advantage of less current, less weight, less cost, and less space. I am
not necessarily recommending this circuit. Just offering it for others who want
redundancy.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464278#464278
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
At 05:24 PM 12/23/2016, you wrote:
>
>The only contactor failure I've had is when it welded itself shut,
>due to a short in the starter motor. It's quite unusual not being
>able to turn off the aircraft..
>
>On 23Dec2016, at 7:12 PM, user9253 wrote:
>
>
> > If you're going to that much trouble why not just have two
> independently switched contactors?
>
>There is not much trouble, same number of components either
>way. The relay has the advantage of less current, less weight, less
>cost, and less space. I am not necessarily recommending this
>circuit. Just offering it for others who want redundancy.
Contactor failure (or failure of the
control wiring/swtich to a contactor
is rare. Figure Z-13/8 was designed
so that ENDURANCE mode flight was not
only possible with the contactor
deliberately opened to reduce en
route energy demands.
Have you done a load analysis of your
proposed installation? Have you selected
a system architecture? I'm betting
that with a little pre-planning and
adjustment of architecture, a Plan-B
can be identified for every single-
failure event but without adding a lot
of weight, cost-of-ownership and system
complexity.
Electrical system failures as root or
even contributing cause for a bad day
in the cockpit are exceedingly rare.
Most bad days in the cockpit arise
from poor pilot preparedness for steering
around the many inevitable pot-holes
in their flying experience.
I'll suggest a review of the Z-figures,
accompanying notes and supporting narratives
in the 'Connection would be useful.
Particularly the chapter on system reliability
(where 'system' includes prop-to-tailcone
environs and all components in between).
If you don't have a paper copy of the
'Connection, you can download a .pdf at
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Book/AEC_R12A.pdf
I've been out of pocket for the last few
days . . .had a melt-down of my office
computer. Just got a re-build up and running
late yesterday. Leaving for Wichita today
for Christmas celebrations. Be back on
line late Sunday. In the mean time, let's
see if we can figure out why Z-13/8 WILL NOT
serve to PLAN for any real risks to the
enjoyment of your airplane.
Lets do failure mode effects analysis to
your proposed system with a goal of keeping
ANY and ALL single failures from creating
an EMERGENCY . . . the goal is to upgrade
a component because you're tired of replacing
it . . . not because it damned near got you
killed. FMEA is the easy, light, most economical
way to craft an electrical system and mitigate
any worries associated with flying it.
Merry Christmas folks! See you in a few
days.
Bob . . .
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| From: | Jeff Page <jpx(at)qenesis.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators? |
In the event of an emergency landing or fire, it is necessary to turn
off both switches.
I suggest making that ergonomically easy to do in a single motion.
Jeff Page
Dream Aircraft Tundra #10
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: IBBS battery with B and C alternators?
> From: "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com>
>
> Here is a circuit for those concerned about the master contactor
> failing. An automotive
> relay is connected in parallel with the master contactor. The relay
> is disabled during engine starting to prevent excessive current from flowing
> through the relay contacts. Prior to turning on the master
> contactor, the relay
> can be energized to be sure that it works. The relay must be shut off to
> start the engine. After engine start, the relay may be turned back
> on. If the
> alternator fails, the battery master contactor can be shut off to
> conserve energy.
> During cruise flight, the relay will only carry battery charging
> current. Aircraft
> load current will flow directly from the alternator to the main power bus,
> not through the relay.
> When playing with avionics in the hangar with the engine off, the
> relay can be
> turned on instead of master contactor. Notice that the arrows on
> arc-suppression
> diodes point towards positive.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464274#464274
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/contactor_bypass_462.pdf
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/contactor_bypass_143.jpg
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| Subject: | EFII ignition and injection Z-13/8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
With EFII ignition and injection is Z-13/8 a good choice?
I'm not sure the current draw of one pump, one ignition, and injectors; could be
too much for the 8 amp alternator.
Is Z-13/8 suitable for a 20 amp backup alternator or would that lead one to Z-12?
I know I need to do a load analysis.
Thanks for the LA-IFP accident report.
Read this topic online here:
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| From: | "Carlos Trigo" <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | A couple of questions about Fuses |
Good morning 'letric Bob and all 'letric experts.
I hope you had a Merry Christmas!
In my fused power busses I decided to use LED blade fuses, those whose LED
gets illuminated when the fuse trips.
It happens that I have a couple of circuits which require a 1A fuse, but
there are no 1A LED blade fuses. Therefore, in these circuits, either I use
a normal (non-illuminated) 1A fuse, or I go for a 2A illuminated fuse.
What happens if I decide for the latter? Do I get less protection? Is that
particular device more prone to be fried?
Now, for the second question, in a broader perspective: I have heard dozens
of times that a fuse (or other protection device) is there to protect the
wire and not the device at its end.
However, the size (in A) of the fuse is determined by the device in use (you
read in the installation manuals that "to protect this device, you should
use a 3A fuse or circuit breaker").
I know that this depends on the power (W) that is used by the device when
working, and that both the wire and the fuse must be sized accordingly. I
also know that if we use a thinner wire, it will get very hot and eventually
melt.
But what about using an higher A or a lesser A fuse? What are the physics
involved?
Thanks
Carlos
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about Fuses |
Hi Carlos,
Take a look at chapter 10, circuit protection, in *The AeroElectric
Connection*. And here are a few articles:
http://www.aeroelectric.com/articles.html#Circuit Protection
In building my plane, I am following the advice to size the fuse for the
wire, except in a couple of cases where I only need a couple of amps and
did not feel like installing tiny wire. In those cases, I went ahead and
used an undersized fuse, even though the wire is capable of carrying more
current.
Cheers,
-- Art Z.
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote
:
> Good morning =98letric Bob and all =98letric experts.
>
> I hope you had a Merry Christmas!
>
>
> In my fused power busses I decided to use LED blade fuses, those whose LE
D
> gets illuminated when the fuse trips.
>
> It happens that I have a couple of circuits which require a 1A fuse, but
> there are no 1A LED blade fuses. Therefore, in these circuits, either I u
se
> a normal (non-illuminated) 1A fuse, or I go for a 2A illuminated fuse.
>
> What happens if I decide for the latter? Do I get less protection? Is tha
t
> particular device more prone to be fried?
>
>
> Now, for the second question, in a broader perspective: I have heard
> dozens of times that a fuse (or other protection device) is there to
> protect the wire and not the device at its end.
>
> However, the size (in A) of the fuse is determined by the device in use
> (you read in the installation manuals that =9Cto protect this devic
e, you
> should use a 3A fuse or circuit breaker=9D).
>
> I know that this depends on the power (W) that is used by the device when
> working, and that both the wire and the fuse must be sized accordingly. I
> also know that if we use a thinner wire, it will get very hot and
> eventually melt.
>
> But what about using an higher A or a lesser A fuse? What are the physics
> involved?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Carlos
>
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about Fuses |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Charlie
On Dec 26, 2016, 6:40 AM, at 6:40 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>Good morning 'letric Bob and all 'letric experts.
>
>I hope you had a Merry Christmas!
>
>
>
>In my fused power busses I decided to use LED blade fuses, those whose
>LED
>gets illuminated when the fuse trips.
>
>It happens that I have a couple of circuits which require a 1A fuse,
>but
>there are no 1A LED blade fuses. Therefore, in these circuits, either I
>use
>a normal (non-illuminated) 1A fuse, or I go for a 2A illuminated fuse.
>
>What happens if I decide for the latter? Do I get less protection? Is
>that
>particular device more prone to be fried?
>
>
>
>Now, for the second question, in a broader perspective: I have heard
>dozens
>of times that a fuse (or other protection device) is there to protect
>the
>wire and not the device at its end.
>
>However, the size (in A) of the fuse is determined by the device in use
>(you
>read in the installation manuals that "to protect this device, you
>should
>use a 3A fuse or circuit breaker").
>
>I know that this depends on the power (W) that is used by the device
>when
>working, and that both the wire and the fuse must be sized accordingly.
>I
>also know that if we use a thinner wire, it will get very hot and
>eventually
>melt.
>
>But what about using an higher A or a lesser A fuse? What are the
>physics
>involved?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Carlos
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about Fuses |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Fuses that glow when blown depend on the load to complete the circuit. If the
load circuit happens to open up as a result of the malfunction, the fuse will
not glow. While the above scenario is possible, it is not likely. If some electrical
device does not work, check the glow-type fuse with a meter to be sure
that it is not blown.
Yes, the larger the fuse, the less protection there is. By protection, I am
talking about protection against smoke in the cockpit. As far as protection for
the electrical device, it doesn't matter if the fuse is 1 amp or 2 amps or
5 amps. If the device shorts out, it will be fried regardless of the fuse size.
A lager fuse size will not make any electrical device more prone to fail.
Many devices have internal fuses to protect against internal short circuits.
22 AWG wire can be protected by a 3 amp fuse. But if a device only requires one
half amp, then a 1 amp fuse will offer more protection against smoke if the
device ever shorts out.
Bottom line is, you can use either a 1 amp or 2 amp fuse. A 1 amp will give
more peace of mind. A 2 amp will work too.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464402#464402
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| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about Fuses |
| From: | C&K <yellowduckduo(at)gmail.com> |
I would add that I have seen cases where the recommended small fuse
popped after many years. Replacing the fuse with a handy slightly larger
fuse also popped but this time it was accompanied by smoke from the
transponder. Neither fuse put the wire at any risk and likely the smoke
would have stopped by itself but I prefer to follow the manufacturers
fuse recommendation. OTOH I don't worry about going up to the
appropriate larger wire protection fuse in cases where it is convenient
to put multiple items on the same fuse.
Of larger concern to me are some of the very small gage cords that get
plugged into 15 amp circuits in houses.
Ken
On 26/12/2016 9:35 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
> Fuses that glow when blown depend on the load to complete the circuit. If the
load circuit happens to open up as a result of the malfunction, the fuse will
not glow. While the above scenario is possible, it is not likely. If some
electrical device does not work, check the glow-type fuse with a meter to be sure
that it is not blown.
> Yes, the larger the fuse, the less protection there is. By protection, I
am talking about protection against smoke in the cockpit. As far as protection
for the electrical device, it doesn't matter if the fuse is 1 amp or 2 amps
or 5 amps. If the device shorts out, it will be fried regardless of the fuse
size. A lager fuse size will not make any electrical device more prone to fail.
Many devices have internal fuses to protect against internal short circuits.
> 22 AWG wire can be protected by a 3 amp fuse. But if a device only requires
one half amp, then a 1 amp fuse will offer more protection against smoke if
the device ever shorts out.
> Bottom line is, you can use either a 1 amp or 2 amp fuse. A 1 amp will give
more peace of mind. A 2 amp will work too.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name> |
| Subject: | Securing Split PVC Conduit |
Folks,
I am using some split PVC conduit
<http://www.hall-fast.com/consumables/electrical/cable-accessories/conduit-and-warning-tapes/pvc-split-conduit/>
in my plane and two of the runs are pretty close to vertical, about 4 feet
long. Sitting in my garage, with the wires not yet secured at the bottom,
the conduit keeps trying to slide downward in the 2 inch square channels
through which it runs. I think that I ought to secure it somehow and wonder
if you have any ideas that will keep it in place.
Maybe I can wrap a thin cable tie around it and get it to slip into a
groove?
Or maybe wrap it with silicone self-sealing tape and the put an AN742 clamp
around it?
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Is conduit necessary inside of a channel?
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464426#464426
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| From: | Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name> |
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
When there are sharp things sticking into the channel, yes
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:18 AM, user9253 wrote:
>
> Is conduit necessary inside of a channel?
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Neal George <neal.george(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
A dab of RTV?
Neal George
Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Art Zemon wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am using some split PVC conduit in my plane and two of the runs are pret
ty close to vertical, about 4 feet long. Sitting in my garage, with the wire
s not yet secured at the bottom, the conduit keeps trying to slide downward i
n the 2 inch square channels through which it runs. I think that I ought to s
ecure it somehow and wonder if you have any ideas that will keep it in place
.
>
> Maybe I can wrap a thin cable tie around it and get it to slip into a groo
ve?
>
> Or maybe wrap it with silicone self-sealing tape and the put an AN742 clam
p around it?
>
> Thanks,
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>
> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a
m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
| From: | Hal Benjamin <halbenjamin101(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Art,
You could probably use safety wire wrapped around the split loom and hang it
using tape to hold the safety wire.
Hal Benjamin RV4
Sent from my iPad
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Art Zemon wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am using some split PVC conduit in my plane and two of the runs are pret
ty close to vertical, about 4 feet long. Sitting in my garage, with the wire
s not yet secured at the bottom, the conduit keeps trying to slide downward i
n the 2 inch square channels through which it runs. I think that I ought to s
ecure it somehow and wonder if you have any ideas that will keep it in place
.
>
> Maybe I can wrap a thin cable tie around it and get it to slip into a groo
ve?
>
> Or maybe wrap it with silicone self-sealing tape and the put an AN742 clam
p around it?
>
> Thanks,
> -- Art Z.
>
> --
> https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
>
> "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what a
m I? And if not now, when?" Hillel
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Holger Selover-Stephan <holger-d(at)shadowbrush.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
I=99ve used lacing tape for that purpose in the past. So friendly
to do-overs.
Holger
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Art Zemon wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am using some split PVC conduit
<http://www.hall-fast.com/consumables/electrical/cable-accessories/conduit
-and-warning-tapes/pvc-split-conduit/> in my plane and two of the runs
are pretty close to vertical, about 4 feet long. Sitting in my garage,
with the wires not yet secured at the bottom, the conduit keeps trying
to slide downward in the 2 inch square channels through which it runs. I
think that I ought to secure it somehow and wonder if you have any ideas
that will keep it in place.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about Fuses |
In my fused power busses I decided to use LED blade fuses, those
whose LED gets illuminated when the fuse trips.
Are you anticipating replacement of fuses in flight?
It happens that I have a couple of circuits which require a 1A fuse,
but there are no 1A LED blade fuses. Therefore, in these circuits,
either I use a normal (non-illuminated) 1A fuse, or I go for a 2A
illuminated fuse.
I used to sell 1 and 2A ATC fuses but
never with failure annunciation. If your
appliance is 'dead in the water', little
lights on the fuses are of marginal convenience.
What happens if I decide for the latter? Do I get less protection? Is
that particular device more prone to be fried?
"Less" and "more" are hard to quantify.
What we do know is that legacy wire
protection philosophy is based not upon
wire size but the robustness of the
insulation. You can purchase 22AWG wires
with recommended maximum operating
temperatures all over the map . . . generally
no lower than 80C but some as high as
180-200C. In EVERY case, it is not the
wire at-risk for failure due to effects
of current flow . . . it's the INSULATION
that drives the numbers on max recommended
temperature rise.
Wrestling with the consequences for choosing
1A vs 5A protection on a 22AWG wire is
not particularly difficult.
See http://tinyurl.com/zrmkoz6
That image demonstrates that loading
a 22AWG wire at 20 amps does not produce
a free-air temperature rise that places
the Tefzel insulation at risk for failure.
Now, for the second question, in a broader perspective: I have heard
dozens of times that a fuse (or other protection device) is there to
protect the wire and not the device at its end.
Absolutely . . .
However, the size (in A) of the fuse is determined by the device in
use (you read in the installation manuals that "to protect this
device, you should use a 3A fuse or circuit breaker").
People who write installation manuals are
almost never system integrators. Frequently
they are not talented writers either. The
installation manuals should speak to continuous
and intermittent current drain values. Intermittent
values should also be quantified with a typical
duration.
It's up to the system integrator to supply
a source of energy that is (1) not at risk
for tripping its feeder protection. (2)
sizing the wire such that its temperature rise
does not exceed ratings for the proposed
insulation. Allowances must be made for
areas where the wire may traverse an
elevated environmental temperature. Further
consideration is made for loss of cooling
the wire is bundled. (3) The final consideration
evaluates potential for loss of appliance
performance due to voltage drop when the run
of wire is particularly long. Lear got
bit in the cushy behind when they discovered
an unacceptable loss of performance for a pitch
trim system because motor current ran the
length of the aircraft four times!
While the wires were not over-heating, the
voltage drop under certain conditions produced
unsatisfactory trim performance. I got to design
a solid state fleet retrofit trim controller.
My boss was really happy with that one . . .
got a big raise. He paid for my flying lessons
accompanied by a generous flying budget from the
rental fleet at United Beechcraft.
I know that this depends on the power (W) that is used by the device
when working, and that both the wire and the fuse must be sized
accordingly. I also know that if we use a thinner wire, it will get
very hot and eventually melt.
But what about using an higher A or a lesser A fuse? What are the
physics involved?
The copper wire is never at-risk except conditions
where ship's batteries can drive a hard-fault
of hundreds if not thousands of amps. So in
the photo example cited above, I COULD
consider running a 20A appliance through
a 22AWG feeder protected with a 30A fuse . . .
as long as the feeder length wasn't so long
that voltage drop becomes an issue.
When selecting wires and protection, you're
never wrong with the "legacy pairs" of
22AWG/5A, 20AWG/7A, 18AWG/10A, etc. etc.
These are very conservative pairings.
An installation manual should read something
like, "Supply DC power at 11-15 volts with
a continuous demand of X.X amps and a 10%
duty cycle of Y.Y amps."
After that, it's up to the system integrator
to meet that requirement. I would never have
attempted to qualify a product that begged
for EXTERNAL overcurrent protection beyond
that normally supplied with the recommended
wire size. If you've got a 22AWG feeder to
a device where 3A protection is suggested,
5A protection is not out of line.
Bob . . .
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
I purchased a 5 volt converter on eBay (Item # 152124360516) and bench tested it.
With an input of 13 VDC, I connected a load to the output that drew 4.6 amps.
The input current was 2.15 amps. The output voltage was 5.1 to 5.15 volts depending
on which meter that I used. That is within the USB standard of 4.75 to
5.25. I calculated the efficiency to be 85 percent. I could not detect any
AC ripple using both a meter and a scope. The weight is 112 grams (4 oz), Dimensions
are 59mm x 65mm x 22mm. The mounting holes are 54mm center to center.
The seller exaggerated the efficiency, so the 10 amp output rating might be exaggerated
too. Even so, this converter should be adequate for powering 2 or 3
devices.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464454#464454
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| From: | Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
I just installed one that is very similar. Running two devices my ipad will
hold steady, but not charge. That's with a 5a fuse on the 12v supply, which
might be a little conservative.
On December 28, 2016 19:47:47 "user9253" wrote:
>
> I purchased a 5 volt converter on eBay (Item # 152124360516) and bench
> tested it.
> With an input of 13 VDC, I connected a load to the output that drew 4.6
> amps. The input current was 2.15 amps. The output voltage was 5.1 to 5.15
> volts depending on which meter that I used. That is within the USB
> standard of 4.75 to 5.25. I calculated the efficiency to be 85 percent. I
> could not detect any AC ripple using both a meter and a scope. The weight
> is 112 grams (4 oz), Dimensions are 59mm x 65mm x 22mm. The mounting
> holes are 54mm center to center.
> The seller exaggerated the efficiency, so the 10 amp output rating might be
> exaggerated too. Even so, this converter should be adequate for powering 2
> or 3 devices.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464454#464454
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken Ryan <keninalaska(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
How many amps does it take to power a 10 inch IPad?
Sent from my Android. Sorry Steve.
On Dec 28, 2016 5:03 PM, "Jared Yates" wrote:
> >
>
> I just installed one that is very similar. Running two devices my ipad
> will hold steady, but not charge. That's with a 5a fuse on the 12v supply,
> which might be a little conservative.
>
>
> On December 28, 2016 19:47:47 "user9253" wrote:
>
>>
>> I purchased a 5 volt converter on eBay (Item # 152124360516) and bench
>> tested it.
>> With an input of 13 VDC, I connected a load to the output that drew 4.6
>> amps. The input current was 2.15 amps. The output voltage was 5.1 to
>> 5.15 volts depending on which meter that I used. That is within the USB
>> standard of 4.75 to 5.25. I calculated the efficiency to be 85 percent.
>> I could not detect any AC ripple using both a meter and a scope. The
>> weight is 112 grams (4 oz), Dimensions are 59mm x 65mm x 22mm. The
>> mounting holes are 54mm center to center.
>> The seller exaggerated the efficiency, so the 10 amp output rating might
>> be exaggerated too. Even so, this converter should be adequate for
>> powering 2 or 3 devices.
>>
>> --------
>> Joe Gores
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464454#464454
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Read this post about charging an iPad:
http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List.2012-09-17.html#MESSAGE7
There must be voltage on USB pins 2 & 3 to signal the iPad to draw more charging
current. Use a voltage divider with no resistor less than 10K ohm. Below is
quote from the above mentioned post:
> Here's what your USB receptacle needs to provide to properly quick-charge your
iPad (for iPhones, reverse pins 2 and 3):
> Pin 1 (+V): 5V (no less; ideally ~5.2V)
> Pin 2 (D-): 2.00V
> Pin 3 (D+): 2.75V
> Pin 4: Ground
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464458#464458
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| From: | Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
Good point, thanks! I believe those pins are shorted presently.
On December 28, 2016 22:18:43 "user9253" wrote:
>
> Read this post about charging an iPad:
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List.2012-09-17.html#MESSAGE7
> There must be voltage on USB pins 2 & 3 to signal the iPad to draw more
> charging current. Use a voltage divider with no resistor less than 10K
> ohm. Below is quote from the above mentioned post:
>
>> Here's what your USB receptacle needs to provide to properly quick-charge
>> your iPad (for iPhones, reverse pins 2 and 3):
>> Pin 1 (+V): 5V (no less; ideally ~5.2V)
>> Pin 2 (D-): 2.00V
>> Pin 3 (D+): 2.75V
>> Pin 4: Ground
>
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464458#464458
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
In the four years since I wrote that, Apple has released a fourth charging s
cheme for their 12-watt (5V, 2.4A) chargers that began shipping with the iPa
d Air. If you configure your USB port as follows, it will rapid-charge all b
ut the earliest Apple iDevices:
Pin 1 (+V): 5.0V-5.2V
Pin 2 (D-): 2.75V
Pin 3 (D+): 2.75V
Pin 4: Ground
Note that Pins 2 and 3 are the same voltage, but they must *not* be shorted t
ogether. Use two identical voltage dividers to provide the same voltage to b
oth pins separately.
For the voltage converter that Joe purchased (output = 5.1V), I would use a
voltage divider comprised of 11.8k over 13.7k.
Connect as follows: 5V --> 11.8k --> USB Pin 2 or 3 --> 13.7k --> Ground
Suitable resistors:
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/yageo/MFR-25FBF52-11K8/11.8KXBK-ND/
13232
-and-
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/yageo/MFR-25FBF52-13K7/13.7KXBK-ND/
13244
One other note. Use heavier wire on the 5V output than the charging current
would normally call for. Resistive voltage drop can easily cause the 5V ra
il to fall below 5V over a modest wire length, which will change the D+ and D
- voltages as well. Apple devices are picky -- it's important that +V, D+ a
nd D- are correct.
Eric
> On Dec 28, 2016, at 8:11 PM, user9253 wrote:
> Read this post about charging an iPad:
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-List
.2012-09-17.html#MESSAGE7
> There must be voltage on USB pins 2 & 3 to signal the iPad to draw more ch
arging current. Use a voltage divider with no resistor less than 10K ohm. B
elow is quote from the above mentioned post:
>
>> Here's what your USB receptacle needs to provide to properly quick-charge
your iPad (for iPhones, reverse pins 2 and 3):
>> Pin 1 (+V): 5V (no less; ideally ~5.2V)
>> Pin 2 (D-): 2.00V
>> Pin 3 (D+): 2.75V
>> Pin 4: Ground
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobbyPaulk(at)comcast.net |
Guys
I have noticed some USB ports will charge a Samsung or other device and not an
I-phone or other I-thingy.
Is one available that wold do both or do I have a faulty port.
Bobby
analog guy in a digital world
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
| From: | rnjcurtis <rnjcurtis(at)charter.net> |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
At 07:11 AM 12/29/2016, you wrote:
Guys
I have noticed some USB ports will charge a Samsung or other device
and not an I-phone or other I-thingy.
Is one available that wold do both or do I have a faulty port.
There are USB ports . . . and then their are USB ports.
The legacy USB port was conceived as a bi-directional,
serial data port for SMALL accessories like thumb drives,
mice, keyboards, etc. Power supplied from this port was
offered at rather small rates . . . 100 to 500 milliamperes.
Many computers were fitted with positive temperature
coefficient current limiters (poly-fuses) to protect the
computer from damage should the +5 volt USB power line
become overloaded.
Years later, new kids on the block (phones, tablets, etc.)
found it useful to exploit that handy source of regulated
voltage to charge internal batteries while in communication
with a host computer . . . or even as a low-power charging
source where leaving one's device on-charge overnight was
no big deal.
Simultaneously, demands on performance for USB ports
evolved with ever higher transfer speeds. Accessories
that exploited USB ports also evolved . . . there are
electro-mechanical hard drives that will function
solely on a 5 volt power supply while demanding less
than 500mA.
Then came the big kids. Tablets and larger smart
phones that communicate with other devices
via, you guessed it, USB ports. At he same time,
their energy needs for both function and battery
charging grew to 3 or 4 times that which the
computer-based USB port could provide.
This gave rise to proprietary chargers capable of
1 amp or more of 5v power. Problem was that if you
configured your mini-super-pc to demand say 2A of
battery recharge current, how do you keep it from
overwhelming the 5v source on a legacy USB computer
port?
Instead of 'smart source ports' on computers, high-demand
appliances evolved into 'smart-loads'. When the USB
port was being used for only functional and/or battery
charging power, then idle data lines could be used
to tell the smart load how much power was available.
Over the years, proprietary chargers lead the way
to mostly accepted standards for tying idle data
lines to each other or perhaps tying them to +5
or ground with certain size resistors.
This little hat-dance in the source connector
informed smart-loads as to how much
energy was available. I have at least one device
that annunciates "slow charging" behavior when
plugged into a computer . . . with no such
annunciation when being powered with a high-current
source.
The SHORT story in this thread tells us that it
is insufficient to simply craft robustly powered,
panel-mounted USB receptacles with an expectation
of maximizing exploitation of that source.
I've not taken time to study USB charging philosophies
in detail but know that there is a lot of data on
the techniques available on the 'net. It's a sure
bet that any DIY power sources for your favorite
cockpit companion may need a bit more information
as to who much power is available. lacking such
information will most certainly force the appliance
into a 'slow charge' mode.
Bob . . .
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| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
I'm not sure what an Android device (a generic term for devices from many ma
nufacturers) will make of an Apple charger. It won't do it any harm, but I d
on't know if it will charge. Samsung, for example, uses a common (shorted) 1
.25V on both data pins.
Someone mentioned that the data pins on his charger are shorted together. T
hat defines a Dedicated Charging Port (and a Chinese standard). Most device
s will accept this scheme, but will only draw 0.5A in accordance with the US
B standard. That's why a device will hold steady under use but not add char
ge.
There are integrated circuits designed for this purpose that monitor a USB p
ort and automatically configure the port to satisfy the device that's plugge
d into it. They work fine, but they're a pain to use as they're all in tiny
surface-mount packages.
Eric
> On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:11 AM, rnjcurtis wrote:
>
> Am I correct in assuming that if I wire a USB port this way for an Apple d
evice, that it will be comparable with all other Android devices.
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> Sent from: YOGA TABLET 10 HD+
>
> Eric Page wrote:
>
> In the four years since I wrote that, Apple has released a fourth charging
scheme for their 12-watt (5V, 2.4A) chargers that began shipping with the i
Pad Air. If you configure your USB port as follows, it will rapid-charge al
l but the earliest Apple iDevices:
>
> Pin 1 (+V): 5.0V-5.2V
> Pin 2 (D-): 2.75V
> Pin 3 (D+): 2.75V
> Pin 4: Ground
>
> Note that Pins 2 and 3 are the same voltage, but they must *not* be shorte
d together. Use two identical voltage dividers to provide the same voltage t
o both pins separately.
>
> For the voltage converter that Joe purchased (output = 5.1V), I would us
e a voltage divider comprised of 11.8k over 13.7k.
>
> Connect as follows: 5V --> 11.8k --> USB Pin 2 or 3 --> 13.7k --> Ground
>
> Suitable resistors:
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/yageo/MFR-25FBF52-11K8/11.8KXBK-N
D/13232
> -and-
> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/yageo/MFR-25FBF52-13K7/13.7KXBK-N
D/13244
>
> One other note. Use heavier wire on the 5V output than the charging curre
nt would normally call for. Resistive voltage drop can easily cause the 5V r
ail to fall below 5V over a modest wire length, which will change the D+ and
D- voltages as well. Apple devices are picky -- it's important that +V, D+
and D- are correct.
>
> Eric
>
>
>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 8:11 PM, user9253 wrote:
>> Read this post about charging an iPad:
>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/aeroelectric-list/Digest.AeroElectric-Lis
t.2012-09-17.html#MESSAGE7
>> There must be voltage on USB pins 2 & 3 to signal the iPad to draw more c
harging current. Use a voltage divider with no resistor less than 10K ohm.
Below is quote from the above mentioned post:
>>
>>> Here's what your USB receptacle needs to provide to properly quick-charg
e your iPad (for iPhones, reverse pins 2 and 3):
>>> Pin 1 (+V): 5V (no less; ideally ~5.2V)
>>> Pin 2 (D-): 2.00V
>>> Pin 3 (D+): 2.75V
>>> Pin 4: Ground
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Solder-sleeves with pigtails |
Some time back, I had a fire-sale on solder-sleeves . . .
Demand was more than I could supply. Ran out in about
a week. For those who were left wishing, here's an
offer at MPJA
http://tinyurl.com/grp3z2c
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A couple of questions about Fuses |
Some time back I wrote:
>When selecting wires and protection, you're
>never wrong with the "legacy pairs" of
>22AWG/5A, 20AWG/7A, 18AWG/10A, etc. etc.
>These are very conservative pairings.
I thought of a quality unique to fuses that
justifies a departure from the 'leggacy
pairing' cited above.
Fuses and Circuit breakers have one thing in
common . . . they operated based on the HEATING
effect of a current flowing in a component
having some resistance . . . I.e. a voltage
drop that liberates heat due to 'lost'
energy.
The similarity ends there.
Circuit breakers have bi-metal components
which are close cousins to thermostats. Heating
produces a change in shape that causes some
latching mechanism to release at a predictable
temperature rise.
On the other hand, the resistive current sensing
component of a fuse is solid metal alloy designed
to MELT when a certain temperature is reached.
Conversion from a SOLID to a LIQUID calls for
a phase change that exhibits a kind of plateau
that cannot be exceeded until a unique quantum
of heat has been delivered into the mass.
In water, the heat removed in the change of phase
from liquid to solid is called the 'heat of
fusion' and if memory serves, is about
80 cal/gm for water. This means that you can
have ice at 0C and water at 0C . . . but for
every gram of ice at 0C you have to pump
80 cal of heat into it just to convert to
liquid water.
Every material, including the melting link
in a fuse has a similar characteristic.
This is important in the specification of fuses
to a particular task. While a circuit breaker
is a simplified 'thermostat' . . . capable of
repeated operations with no change of calibration.
On the other hand a fuse can, if you will, be
'hammered'.
Let's say you have a 5A fuse loaded to 4A but
subjected to an 8A transient measured in tens of
milliseconds. On the bench you can subject
the fuse to this stress many times with no
failure. Such an event, say once per flight cycle
in an airplane, may never produced a nuisance trip . . .
or it may happen after tens or hundreds of flight
hours.
It doesn't happen very often, but ONE TIME may be
too many for individuals who suffer the event. An
excellent case in point . . .
http://tinyurl.com/msfmldj
Through a combination of events and poor design
choices, fuses in the accident aircraft were
subject to transient stresses that 'hammered'
at the edge for heat-of-fusion on first one
and then the second of two fuses . . . a failure
that insured simultaneous failure of both
ignition systems.
The point to be pondered here illustrates
the value of failure mode effects analysis in
deducing risks associated with the failure of
any single component. When unacceptable risks
are identified, changes to selection components
and system architecture will easily negate the
risk.
THE BEST prophylactics against risk for popping
a 'hammered' fuse is to design the system such that
loss of that system is no-big-deal. After all, there
a dozens of OTHER reasons the fuse might open. Be
prepared for ANY event.
Based on what we know about the relative fragility
of a 22AWG wire, a 5A, nuisance tripping fuse on
a 22AWG feeder can be comfortably replaced with
a 7A fuse.
As a general rule, the engineering data on fuses
suggests they not be continuously loaded to more
than 75% of rating at 25C.
http://tinyurl.com/zobgmdv
If situated in an environment routinely hotter than
25C, perhaps de-rating to 50% is in order. This
thinking supports the notion that a fuse under the
cowl driving a 22AWG feeder loaded to 4A continuously
might be 'protected' at 10A. It's not radical thinking
. . . they do this in cars all the time.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com> |
At least in the Apple world, the resistor network which informs the
device to be charged of the charger's capability and compatibility is
actually in the charging cord. If I remember the tech specs, the amperage
capacity is detected by voltage drop across the resistor.
Bottom Line: If you want to charge an iPad or iPhone use a "genuine" Lightning
cord.
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464480#464480
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| From: | BobbyPaulk(at)comcast.net |
Thank you Bob and Eric for the explanations.
Great information for an old geezer.
bobby
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 5:43 AM, rampil wrote:
>
> At least in the Apple world, the resistor network which informs the
> device to be charged of the charger's capability and compatibility is
> actually in the charging cord. If I remember the tech specs, the amperage
> capacity is detected by voltage drop across the resistor.
> Bottom Line: If you want to charge an iPad or iPhone use a "genuine"
> Lightning cord.
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Or, simply stay away from that world....
;-)
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| From: | <jim(at)PoogieBearRanch.com> |
Earlier today, someone said that to charge an Apple device, you had to
use an Apple lightning coord. That is partially true, in that a cord
sourced from Apple WILL work, but there are alternatives - and some are
much better than Apple's own lightning cords. The "trick" is to
purchase only "Apple MFi Certified" lightning cords.
My personal choice for the supplier is Anker - sold through Amazon. They
make MFi certified cords (complete with the unique authorization chip
like Apple uses) that work beautifully with all Apple devices, are
available in multiple lengths (1,3, 6, and 10 feet) and in several
colors (red, white, blue, gold, space gray), all for very reasonable
prices (much lower than Apple's own flimsy cables). I've never seen the
"unapproved charging cable" notice when using an Anker cable.
My favorite is the double-braided nylon-sheathed PowerLine+ cables. I
use a "space gray" 6-ft version to charge my iPad Mini in flight, so
that the cable 'disappears' when laid across my gray glareshield cover.
I like the longer cable for this purpose, because my charging port
(cigar lighter with an Anker 2-port USB adapter) is on the right side,
but mounting the iPad there would interfere with entry/egress, so I have
to mount it on the opposite side of the airplane.
These double-braided nylon sheathed cables are very durable, far more
flexible than standard cables, and they don't seem to tangle as much.
They even come with a magnet-closed "cover" to keep the cord neat when
not in use. I know it probably seems crazy to be this enthusiastic
about such a trivial product, but after spending $20 on "genuine Apple"
lightning cables, only to have the ends rip off, or the insulation
covers develop holes that lead to kinks and shorts, finding a
much-less-expensive alternative that not only works well, but is
virtually indestructible just makes my day. I've given many of these
cables as "stocking stuffer" gifts to my kids and family, and everyone
just loves them.
For those of you who use non-Apple devices, Anker also makes standard
Micro USB and USB-C cables (with all the same options) for those devices
(most Android phones and tablets). They also make a pretty nice 2-port
USB adapter for you cigar lighter that will charge two 2.1A devices
simultaneously (2 iPads, or 1 iPad and 1 iPhone, as I use).
And, just for the record, I don't work for, or have any interest in
Anker other than as a very satisfied customer.
Jim Parker
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| From: | ashleysc(at)broadstripe.net |
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
Hi Neal and Art;
Google "wire ties with mounting holes."
Morris Products makes several types.
Cheers! Stu.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal George" <neal.george(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 9:11:53 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Securing Split PVC Conduit
A dab of RTV?
Neal George
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2016, at 10:05 PM, Art Zemon < art(at)zemon.name > wrote:
Folks,
I am using some split PVC conduit in my plane and two of the runs are pretty close
to vertical, about 4 feet long. Sitting in my garage, with the wires not yet
secured at the bottom, the conduit keeps trying to slide downward in the 2
inch square channels through which it runs. I think that I ought to secure it
somehow and wonder if you have any ideas that will keep it in place.
Maybe I can wrap a thin cable tie around it and get it to slip into a groove?
Or maybe wrap it with silicone self-sealing tape and the put an AN742 clamp around
it?
Thanks,
-- Art Z.
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what am I?
And if not now, when?" Hillel
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| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
There's no way a cord could know the capability of a plug adapter unless the adapter
signals it in some way. The device in Apple's charging cords (and, as Jim
pointed out, in MiFi Certified cords) is an integrated circuit used for authentication.
It still looks for the signaling voltages on D+ and D-, which current
Apple plug adapters provide. The plug adapters are still using simple resistor
dividers to generate the 2.75V signals.
Eric
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:43 AM, rampil wrote:
> At least in the Apple world, the resistor network which informs the device to
be charged of the charger's capability and compatibility is actually in the charging
cord. If I remember the tech specs, the amperage capacity is detected
by voltage drop across the resistor. Bottom Line: If you want to charge an
iPad or iPhone use a "genuine" Lightning cord.
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com> |
Is this contrary to Joe's advice about sensing voltage across the two USB
data pins, or in addition to it?
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, rampil wrote:
>
> At least in the Apple world, the resistor network which informs the
> device to be charged of the charger's capability and compatibility is
> actually in the charging cord. If I remember the tech specs, the amperage
> capacity is detected by voltage drop across the resistor.
> Bottom Line: If you want to charge an iPad or iPhone use a "genuine"
> Lightning cord.
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464480#464480
>
>
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| From: | Daniel Hooper <enginerdy(at)gmail.com> |
This is not correct. The charging resistor network is in the charger.
However if you use a super-cheap charging cord, the wire gauge may not
be large enough.
When the iPhone (or whatever) detects the charger voltage drop below a
certain voltage (maybe 4.8V?) it will back off until the voltage comes
back up.
So based on the resistance of the cable, the device may not be able to
charge as quickly as it otherwise would.
Both pieces have to be in place for an optimal charge time.
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:43 AM, rampil wrote:
>
> At least in the Apple world, the resistor network which informs the
> device to be charged of the charger's capability and compatibility is
> actually in the charging cord
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:
>
> This is not correct. The charging resistor network is in the charger.
>
This is not correct. The charging resistor network is in the cord, not the charger.
You can take a charger that provides a USB powered port, plug a cord without the
resistor network into it, and the Apple device will not charge. Use the same
charger with a cord that does have the resistor network, and it will charge
fine.
The amp rating of the charger does have an effect on the rate of charge, but the
resistor network is not in the charger, it is in the cord.
-Dj
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Hooper <enginerdy(at)gmail.com> |
Maybe this is what you=99re talking about?
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/25/apples_lightning_port_dynamicall
y_assigns_pins_to_allow_for_reversible_use
<http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/25/apples_lightning_port_dynamical
ly_assigns_pins_to_allow_for_reversible_use>
It=99s a bad idea to use a non-MFI Lightning cable in any case,
for this reason.
But the D+/D- line bias network that tells the phone how fast it is
allowed to charge is DEFINITELY located inside the charger.
There are a decent number of standards between the various Apple
configurations, newer USB standards, and a Chinese standard, so having
an MFI cable for you phone and a Samsung charger is no guarantee of
success.
There are chips (ICs) made for chargers out there that can (somehow)
sense which kind of device is attached and adjust its resistor network
to allow the maximum charging for any type, but it is difficult to tell
whether this chip was designed into the charger.
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:23 PM, Daniel Hooper
wrote:
>>
>> This is not correct. The charging resistor network is in the charger.
>>
>
> This is not correct. The charging resistor network is in the cord,
not the charger.
>
> You can take a charger that provides a USB powered port, plug a cord
without the resistor network into it, and the Apple device will not
charge. Use the same charger with a cord that does have the resistor
network, and it will charge fine.
>
> The amp rating of the charger does have an effect on the rate of
charge, but the resistor network is not in the charger, it is in the
cord.
>
> -Dj
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 12/30/2016 4:47 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:
> But the D+/D- line bias network that tells the phone how fast it is
> allowed to charge is DEFINITELY located inside the charger.
If you buy a cable that is supposed to plug into a USB port, the
resistor network is most definitely inside the cable, if for no other
reason than your computer USB port (ie, the charger aka power source) is
not customized for Apple devices. This is true for both the older style
plugs (iphone 4s and earlier for example) and the new lightning
connector for the later devices. In addition, the newer lightning
connector has other circuitry built into it like the MFi authorization chip.
You might be able to buy a charger that has the resistive network built
into it, but from what I've seen it is common to put this inside the
cable such that the cable can then be used with any charger that offers
a USB port.
Here is an example of a lightning cable that has it built in:
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerLine-Lightning-Certified-Charger/dp/B013JMBAMC/
Here is an example of an older iPhone 4s cable that has it built in:
https://www.amazon.com/iPhone-JETech-3-Pack-Certified-Charging/dp/B015V7XB5C/
I haven't seen a charger that has the resistive network built into it,
and didn't find one from a quick search on Amazon. Can you offer a link
that has this in the charger itself, and not the cable?
Thanks,
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
To make it even more confusing, there are differences in USB 1, 2, and
DCP (Dedicated Charging Port) which also have different resistor
networks across D+ and D-. However, Apple, in its infinite wisdom
(sarcasm) didn't use the standards, thus causing one to have to buy
special USB cables to be recognized as one that would actually charge
the device, otherwise you get "Charging is not supported with this
accessory" or similar message on the iPhone.
That special resistor network built into the cables what we are
referring to, if that helps to clarify things.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Hooper <enginerdy(at)gmail.com> |
If you buy genuine Apple cables they do not have this built in =94
that is a special cable that potentially tells the iPhone that it can
draw more current than the charger may be capable of.
I suspect those items counterfeit MFI for that reason =94 highly
nonstandard. It=99s possible that they have loosened the standards
for accessory products, but in my experience they keep the leash pretty
taut.
The truth is that the resistor network is in EVERY charger that is
intended for Apple devices, and some configuration or other (USB
charging standard or Chinese charging standard) is present in nearly
every other one. Some chargers, as I mentioned before, have a chip that
can switch between the standards automatically.
Here is the evidence in Ken Sherriff=99s Apple charger teardown:
http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html
<http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html>
In the schematic he drew from examination,
http://static.righto.com/files/charger-schematic.pdf
<http://static.righto.com/files/charger-schematic.pdf>
you can see the ID network there on page 2 of the schematic, R5, R6, R7,
and R9.
There are also many reference designs for USB chargers that include
these or some similar configuration of resistors.
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
>
> On 12/30/2016 4:47 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:
>> But the D+/D- line bias network that tells the phone how fast it is
>> allowed to charge is DEFINITELY located inside the charger.
>
>
> If you buy a cable that is supposed to plug into a USB port, the
resistor network is most definitely inside the cable, if for no other
reason than your computer USB port (ie, the charger aka power source) is
not customized for Apple devices. This is true for both the older style
plugs (iphone 4s and earlier for example) and the new lightning
connector for the later devices. In addition, the newer lightning
connector has other circuitry built into it like the MFi authorization
chip.
>
> You might be able to buy a charger that has the resistive network
built into it, but from what I've seen it is common to put this inside
the cable such that the cable can then be used with any charger that
offers a USB port.
>
> Here is an example of a lightning cable that has it built in:
>
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerLine-Lightning-Certified-Charger/dp/B013
JMBAMC/
>
> Here is an example of an older iPhone 4s cable that has it built in:
>
https://www.amazon.com/iPhone-JETech-3-Pack-Certified-Charging/dp/B015V7XB
5C/
>
> I haven't seen a charger that has the resistive network built into it,
and didn't find one from a quick search on Amazon. Can you offer a link
that has this in the charger itself, and not the cable?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Hooper <enginerdy(at)gmail.com> |
Read what this guy has to say about it. I haven=99t used his
products, so I can=99t vouch for them, but I heard him give a talk
at Oshkosh about USB charging and it was right on.
These products you have here are what he calls a =9Ccheater
cable=9D.
He even has an =9Cintelligent charger=9D module that (I
believe) has the smart resistor switching IC in it.
http://www.commitlift.com/usbchargers.html
<http://www.commitlift.com/usbchargers.html>
Sidenote: =9CAdaptive Fast Charging=9D that he talks about
is a whole different mess.
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
>
> On 12/30/2016 4:47 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:
>> But the D+/D- line bias network that tells the phone how fast it is
>> allowed to charge is DEFINITELY located inside the charger.
>
>
> If you buy a cable that is supposed to plug into a USB port, the
resistor network is most definitely inside the cable, if for no other
reason than your computer USB port (ie, the charger aka power source) is
not customized for Apple devices. This is true for both the older style
plugs (iphone 4s and earlier for example) and the new lightning
connector for the later devices. In addition, the newer lightning
connector has other circuitry built into it like the MFi authorization
chip.
>
> You might be able to buy a charger that has the resistive network
built into it, but from what I've seen it is common to put this inside
the cable such that the cable can then be used with any charger that
offers a USB port.
>
> Here is an example of a lightning cable that has it built in:
>
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerLine-Lightning-Certified-Charger/dp/B013
JMBAMC/
>
> Here is an example of an older iPhone 4s cable that has it built in:
>
https://www.amazon.com/iPhone-JETech-3-Pack-Certified-Charging/dp/B015V7XB
5C/
>
> I haven't seen a charger that has the resistive network built into it,
and didn't find one from a quick search on Amazon. Can you offer a link
that has this in the charger itself, and not the cable?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Dj
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dj Merrill <deej(at)deej.net> |
On 12/30/2016 6:11 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:
> If you buy genuine Apple cables they do not have this built in
My curiosity was piqued so I conducted a couple of experiments.
I took a genuine Apple cable that works with my Apple charger for an
iPhone 4s, and plugged it into a Windows 7 PC USB port. It seems to
work fine, and charges the iPhone 4s without displaying any error
messages on the screen.
I repeated the same test with an Apple lightning cable and Iphone SE
with the same results.
If there wasn't anything built into the cable, how did this work
properly? Let's find out.
This video gives a good explanation of how the Apple protocol works with
regards to the resistive network used for the iPhone 4s:
https://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost/icharging?embeds=allow
We know that the different USB ports (USB 1, 2, 3, etc) offer different
power ratings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB). The power rating is
identified by using different resistances related to the two data pins,
(D+ and D-).
It would appear that the iPhone recognizes the standard USB
identification resistances, and can therefore use a standard USB port to
charge. In addition, Apple has another set of proprietary resistances
that identify power ratings that are different than the USB standard,
and they use these in their chargers.
So, the answer to my question above is that it worked because in all of
my test cases there were resistors across the data lines, both in the
USB ports and the Apple charger.
I stand corrected, and the only explanation is that the resistive
network indeed exists within the charger, not the cable. The "cheater
cables" you refer to were for using non-Apple chargers, whether wall
chargers or the "cigarette lighter" variety that had no resistance
across the data lines, and the resistors were added in the cable so the
iPhone would work. I actually built one of these cables years ago, and
made the incorrect conclusion that the resistive network identifier was
in all the cables.
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Hooper <enginerdy(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you for taking the time to understand what is going on here.
It=99s fairly complicated and the non-standard hardware that
people use to get around all sorts of issues only makes it worse.
For what it=99s worth, Apple has been using the line bias
resistors since before there was a USB charging standard.
There=99s one last point that you=99ve got a little wonky:
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> It would appear that the iPhone recognizes the standard USB
identification resistances
Your test by plugging your phone into a computer doesn=99t tell
you everything you want to know.
Computer ports have a fully digital power-negotiation protocol that is
built into the original USB 1.0 standard (up to 500mA). Because of this
extra hardware, the computer port does not need charger ID resistors.
There are SOME computers that have a type of dedicated charging port
that can serve even when the computer is turned off, but this is not a
typical setup.
In some cases you may get a charging indication with a simple 5V power
supply (no USB 2.0 communication, no ID resistors). BUT the phone will
only draw around 500mA if it does anything. This is not enough current
to keep the battery charged with the screen on, so the battery will
slowly run down even though it is indicating a charge.
What the ID resistors do is tell the phone =9Chey, go nuts! I=99
ve got 1A (or 2A or 2.1A) for you here!=9D, which will charge the
phone with various levels of speed.
The real struggle is getting the optimum charging rate out of your
charger, no matter what device you have. That=99s the holy grail,
and you have to spend a few bucks to get that functionality in a
charger. (also assuming you aren=99t using a crappy cable)
There=99s no great way to test for this function as a consumer and
there=99s no real standard way for manufacturers to communicate
that functionality effectively, since so many of the cheap ones lie
about what they do.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jared Yates <email(at)jaredyates.com> |
This has all been really useful discussion, thank you! To take it from the
theoretical to the actionable (I'm ready to get out my soldering iron), do
we have a specific list of resistors and a schematic to get the appropriate
volts on the data pins if we use something like the 5v power supply that
Joe linked in the beginning of the discussion? It seems that there's no
need for all of us to do the trial and error if we have the same volts
coming in and the same device connected to the plug.
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Hooper wrote:
> Thank you for taking the time to understand what is going on here.
>
> It=99s fairly complicated and the non-standard hardware that people
use to
> get around all sorts of issues only makes it worse.
>
> For what it=99s worth, Apple has been using the line bias resistors
since
> before there was a USB charging standard.
>
> There=99s one last point that you=99ve got a little wonky:
>
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Dj Merrill wrote:
>
> It would appear that the iPhone recognizes the standard USB identificatio
n
> resistances
>
>
> Your test by plugging your phone into a computer doesn=99t tell you
> everything you want to know.
>
> Computer ports have a fully digital power-negotiation protocol that is
> built into the original USB 1.0 standard (up to 500mA). Because of this
> extra hardware, the computer port does not need charger ID resistors.
>
> There are SOME computers that have a type of dedicated charging port that
> can serve even when the computer is turned off, but this is not a typical
> setup.
>
>
> In some cases you may get a charging indication with a simple 5V power
> supply (no USB 2.0 communication, no ID resistors). BUT the phone will on
ly
> draw around 500mA if it does anything. This is not enough current to keep
> the battery charged with the screen on, so the battery will slowly run do
wn
> even though it is indicating a charge.
>
> What the ID resistors do is tell the phone =9Chey, go nuts! I
=99ve got 1A (or
> 2A or 2.1A) for you here!=9D, which will charge the phone with vari
ous levels
> of speed.
>
> The real struggle is getting the optimum charging rate out of your
> charger, no matter what device you have. That=99s the holy grail, a
nd you
> have to spend a few bucks to get that functionality in a charger. (also
> assuming you aren=99t using a crappy cable)
>
> There=99s no great way to test for this function as a consumer and
there=99s
> no real standard way for manufacturers to communicate that functionality
> effectively, since so many of the cheap ones lie about what they do.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Audio Isolation Amplifier Boards |
Bob,
Just noticed this. Would this be a good way to connect an xm roady music
receiver to my audio panel?
Background, The roady has no volume control and is intended to plug into a
cassette player using the supplied adapter. I wired it directly to my
Garmin audio panel. It worked fine except The volume was lower than needed.
I am changing to a PS Engineering PDA 360XR audio panel that has music
input volume controls. I am not sure that the new install will have
adequate volume. Any ideas on how to increase the volume?
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:
> I've had a number of folks express and interst in
> acquiring the boards to the DIY audio Isolation
> amplifier.
>
> Interested purchases can be made from our
> website at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cgr42l5
>
> Put your order details in the Commends/Special Rquests
> box at the bottom of the form. The boards are $22 ea
> plus first class postage of $2.25
>
> I'll plan on ordering boards on Monday . . .
>
>
> Assembly instructions for this project are available
> at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ngoo6hc
>
>
> [image: Emacs!]
>
> Perhaps the better term is 'unpopulated'. It looks
> like this when you're done.
>
> [image: Emacs!]
>
>
> Bob . . . <http://??.htm>
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> 11/27/16
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Audio Isolation Amplifier Boards |
Bob,
Just noticed this. Would this be a good way to connect an xm roady music
receiver to my audio panel?
Background, The roady has no volume control and is intended to plug into a
cassette player using the supplied adapter. I wired it directly to my
Garmin audio panel. It worked fine except The volume was lower than needed.
I am changing to a PS Engineering PDA 360XR audio panel that has music
input volume controls. I am not sure that the new install will have
adequate volume. Any ideas on how to increase the volume?
On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:32 PM, don van santen
wrote:
> Bob,
> Just noticed this. Would this be a good way to connect an xm roady music
> receiver to my audio panel?
> Background, The roady has no volume control and is intended to plug into a
> cassette player using the supplied adapter. I wired it directly to my
> Garmin audio panel. It worked fine except The volume was lower than needed.
> I am changing to a PS Engineering PDA 360XR audio panel that has music
> input volume controls. I am not sure that the new install will have
> adequate volume. Any ideas on how to increase the volume?
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
> nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:
>
>> I've had a number of folks express and interst in
>> acquiring the boards to the DIY audio Isolation
>> amplifier.
>>
>> Interested purchases can be made from our
>> website at:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/cgr42l5
>>
>> Put your order details in the Commends/Special Rquests
>> box at the bottom of the form. The boards are $22 ea
>> plus first class postage of $2.25
>>
>> I'll plan on ordering boards on Monday . . .
>>
>>
>> Assembly instructions for this project are available
>> at:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ngoo6hc
>>
>>
>> [image: Emacs!]
>>
>> Perhaps the better term is 'unpopulated'. It looks
>> like this when you're done.
>>
>> [image: Emacs!]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob . . . <http://??.htm>
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> 11/27/16
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
Jared,
This thread was somehow split from the original post on this subject a few d
ays ago. If you look at the original thread, here...
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=16765274
...in the 6th message I described exactly the info you're looking for.
Another option, if you have the ability to lay out and solder a circuit boar
d using surface mount components, is to use an IC like the Texas Instruments
TPS2513A or TPS2514A:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps2514.pdf
Eric
> On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Jared Yates wrote:
> This has all been really useful discussion, thank you! To take it from the
theoretical to the actionable (I'm ready to get out my soldering iron), do w
e have a specific list of resistors and a schematic to get the appropriate v
olts on the data pins if we use something like the 5v power supply that Joe l
inked in the beginning of the discussion? It seems that there's no need for a
ll of us to do the trial and error if we have the same volts coming in and t
he same device connected to the plug.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Eric,
Please verify that the "D-" data pin has a positive voltage even though it is labeled
with a minus sign.
Also, I assume that computers do not have voltage on the data pins because that
would interfere with data transfer. Is that correct or wrong?
Thanks, Joe
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464510#464510
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Airport Cafe's Now Listed in ACC's |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I have just added over 50 airport cafs (and still growing) to current listings
in the Airport Courtesy Cars website and app (just in case your courtesy car isnt
available when you arrive!) These listings are highlighted in red so you can
easily find them. If you have any additions or corrections, please email them
directly to me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks and Happy New Year! Glenn
PS, Submit your ramp fee's experience also for inclusion in the website/app!
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464547#464547
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| Subject: | Re: 5 Volt Converter Product Review |
| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
Yes, for charging adapters, both voltages are positive. The D+ and D- labels refer
to their use in USB data communications.
You're correct. A computer's USB port won't have a constant voltage on the data
pins like a charger has, but the voltage will rise and fall at very high speed
to send digital data.
Apple computers probably have a chip in the USB data path that communicates with
their Lightning cable authentication chip (speculation on my part).
As I mentioned in another post, there are dedicated charging port chips that sense
the attached device and configure the data pin voltages appropriately.
Eric
> On Dec 31, 2016, at 6:29 AM, user9253 wrote:
> Eric,
> Please verify that the "D-" data pin has a positive voltage even though it is
labeled with a minus sign.
> Also, I assume that computers do not have voltage on the data pins because that
would interfere with data transfer. Is that correct or wrong?
> Thanks, Joe
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
| Subject: | Best dimensions for conduits |
Hi all,
Best wishes for 2017.
What could be the dimensions of the conduit for the (nav/strobe lights,
magnetometer, etc.) wires in the wing of a a composite aircraft ?
There is plenty of room in the empty leading edge, but obviously the
passage is too large and some means of attaching the wires seems in order.
Any opinions on a practical way to use this long empty passage for wires ?
Thanks in advance for your input,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Art Zemon <art(at)zemon.name> |
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
Holger,
I think this will work perfectly. Thank you! The lacing will slip into the
grooves on the conduit. I can attach nylon cable tie anchors to the
airplane and lace the conduit to the anchors.
Cheers,
-- Art Z.
On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Holger Selover-Stephan <
holger-d(at)shadowbrush.com> wrote:
> I=99ve used lacing tape for that purpose in the past. So friendly t
o
> do-overs.
>
> Holger
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Art Zemon wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> I am using some split PVC conduit
> <http://www.hall-fast.com/consumables/electrical/cable-accessories/condui
t-and-warning-tapes/pvc-split-conduit/>
> in my plane and two of the runs are pretty close to vertical, about 4 fee
t
> long. Sitting in my garage, with the wires not yet secured at the bottom,
> the conduit keeps trying to slide downward in the 2 inch square channels
> through which it runs. I think that I ought to secure it somehow and wond
er
> if you have any ideas that will keep it in place.
>
>
--
https://CheerfulCurmudgeon.com/
*"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And if I am only for myself, what
am I? And if not now, when?" Hillel*
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
| From: | Kent or Jackie Ashton <kjashton(at)vnet.net> |
Looking at your wings, I think I'd put some 1/2 to 3/4 auto wire loom protector
in the wings, with zip ties so the wire does not work itself out of the split
in the loom protector. Leave a nylon string in the protector that you can later
use to pull wires. Later on, you can push a stiff wire through the loom protector
and use it to pull wires. The loom protector is lightweight but will
protect them from abrasion.
-Kent
Cozy & Long-EZ builder
> On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:44 PM, GTH wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Best wishes for 2017.
>
> What could be the dimensions of the conduit for the (nav/strobe lights, magnetometer,
etc.) wires in the wing of a a composite aircraft ?
> There is plenty of room in the empty leading edge, but obviously the passage
is too large and some means of attaching the wires seems in order.
> Any opinions on a practical way to use this long empty passage for wires ?
> Thanks in advance for your input,
> --
> Best regards,
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Virtually everyone complains of running out of wire path volume at some
point, so 'go big'.
For choices, the split loom stuff does work. I like this stuff:
https://www.techflex.com/prod_ccp.asp
and
https://www.techflex.com/prod_f6w.asp
Very light weight and very flexible. The unsplit stuff works like the
old 'Chinese finger cuffs' we played with as kids; the 1" stuff will
expand to close to 1 1/2" if you push it together (make it shorter). And
it will shrink to about 1/2" if you stretch it. You could install the
max size with enough length for max diameter, and when you know
everything is in, just pull on the ends to tighten it up (if you feel
it's needed; I don't).
Only downside to the closed stuff is that you'll need a smooth, more or
less ball shaped end on whatever you pull through it, to avoid snagging
on the weave.
Charlie
On 1/1/2017 2:08 PM, Kent or Jackie Ashton wrote:
>
> Looking at your wings, I think I'd put some 1/2 to 3/4 auto wire loom protector
in the wings, with zip ties so the wire does not work itself out of the split
in the loom protector. Leave a nylon string in the protector that you can
later use to pull wires. Later on, you can push a stiff wire through the loom
protector and use it to pull wires. The loom protector is lightweight but will
protect them from abrasion.
> -Kent
> Cozy & Long-EZ builder
>
>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:44 PM, GTH wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Best wishes for 2017.
>>
>> What could be the dimensions of the conduit for the (nav/strobe lights, magnetometer,
etc.) wires in the wing of a a composite aircraft ?
>> There is plenty of room in the empty leading edge, but obviously the passage
is too large and some means of attaching the wires seems in order.
>> Any opinions on a practical way to use this long empty passage for wires ?
>> Thanks in advance for your input,
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Gilles
>> http://contrails.free.fr
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | don van santen <donvansanten(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
Try these for pulling wire thru conduit.
http://www.techtoolsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=85-901
On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Charlie England
wrote:
> ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
>
> Virtually everyone complains of running out of wire path volume at some
> point, so 'go big'.
>
> For choices, the split loom stuff does work. I like this stuff:
> https://www.techflex.com/prod_ccp.asp
> and
> https://www.techflex.com/prod_f6w.asp
>
> Very light weight and very flexible. The unsplit stuff works like the old
> 'Chinese finger cuffs' we played with as kids; the 1" stuff will expand t
o
> close to 1 1/2" if you push it together (make it shorter). And it will
> shrink to about 1/2" if you stretch it. You could install the max size wi
th
> enough length for max diameter, and when you know everything is in, just
> pull on the ends to tighten it up (if you feel it's needed; I don't).
>
> Only downside to the closed stuff is that you'll need a smooth, more or
> less ball shaped end on whatever you pull through it, to avoid snagging o
n
> the weave.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 1/1/2017 2:08 PM, Kent or Jackie Ashton wrote:
>
>> kjashton(at)vnet.net>
>>
>> Looking at your wings, I think I'd put some 1/2=9D to 3/4=9D
auto wire loom
>> protector in the wings, with zip ties so the wire does not work itself o
ut
>> of the split in the loom protector. Leave a nylon string in the protect
or
>> that you can later use to pull wires. Later on, you can push a stiff wi
re
>> through the loom protector and use it to pull wires. The loom protector
is
>> lightweight but will protect them from abrasion.
>> -Kent
>> Cozy & Long-EZ builder
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:44 PM, GTH wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Best wishes for 2017.
>>>
>>> What could be the dimensions of the conduit for the (nav/strobe lights,
>>> magnetometer, etc.) wires in the wing of a a composite aircraft ?
>>> There is plenty of room in the empty leading edge, but obviously the
>>> passage is too large and some means of attaching the wires seems in ord
er.
>>> Any opinions on a practical way to use this long empty passage for wire
s
>>> ?
>>> Thanks in advance for your input,
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Gilles
>>> http://contrails.free.fr
>>>
>>>
===========
===========
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Securing Split PVC Conduit |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Clean the aluminum with solvent prior to sticking on the cable tie mounts or else
they will eventually fall off.
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464595#464595
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
I have not tried this but builders on another forum recommend using lawn sprinkler
tubing available at home improvement stores.
--------
Joe Gores
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464596#464596
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Z-13/8 and SD-8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
See Note 25 as well as Z-25.
Makes the SD-8 work with no battery.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464601#464601
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EFII ignition and injection Z-13/8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
Some significant info from 2011:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=83040&highlight=z12
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464602#464602
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Z-13/8 and SD-8 |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
It would be interesting to read about why the two diodes and resistor work and
why the SD-8 will not work without them (unless a battery is connected).
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464605#464605
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
| From: | Rick Beebe <rick(at)beebe.org> |
I wouldn't. I'd use smooth conduit. Either regular plastic electrical
conduit or, as Joe suggested, something like lightweight plumbing
tubing. I'd suggest 3/4" or 1" if it'll fit. The corrugated stuff is
good for wrapping around wires that are already in place but I find
trying to feed wires through it later to be a pain. The reason for the
larger pipe is not necessarily so you can cram more wires in but because
the extra space also makes it easier to pull or replace wires later.
--Rick
On 1/1/2017 3:08 PM, Kent or Jackie Ashton wrote:
>
> Looking at your wings, I think I'd put some 1/2 to 3/4 auto wire loom protector
in the wings, with zip ties so the wire does not work itself out of the split
in the loom protector. Leave a nylon string in the protector that you can
later use to pull wires. Later on, you can push a stiff wire through the loom
protector and use it to pull wires. The loom protector is lightweight but will
protect them from abrasion.
> -Kent
> Cozy & Long-EZ builder
>
>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:44 PM, GTH wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Best wishes for 2017.
>>
>> What could be the dimensions of the conduit for the (nav/strobe lights, magnetometer,
etc.) wires in the wing of a a composite aircraft ?
>> There is plenty of room in the empty leading edge, but obviously the passage
is too large and some means of attaching the wires seems in order.
>> Any opinions on a practical way to use this long empty passage for wires ?
>> Thanks in advance for your input,
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Gilles
>> http://contrails.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <jim(at)PoogieBearRanch.com> |
| Subject: | Best dimensions for conduits |
Leaving a "tied-off" line in the conduit to help pull a new wire through
is a great idea. But remember that when you use that line to pull the
next wire through, you need to also pull through another "spare" line to
tie off, awaiting your inevitable "next" wire pull...
Of course, I learned this the hard way... (Long story involving a
lengthy conduit run from house to workshop, and a new welding circuit
for the shop... Sigh.)
Jim Parker
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
| From: | Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong(at)casema.nl> |
I found that the black 25mm OD HDPE sprinkler system tubing by Gardena
(2718) is very lightweight.
Fixing it inside a finished wing would be a problem. Wouldn't want it
free to move.
Jan de Jong
On 1/2/2017 6:16 PM, Rick Beebe wrote:
>
> I wouldn't. I'd use smooth conduit. Either regular plastic electrical
> conduit or, as Joe suggested, something like lightweight plumbing
> tubing. I'd suggest 3/4" or 1" if it'll fit. The corrugated stuff is
> good for wrapping around wires that are already in place but I find
> trying to feed wires through it later to be a pain. The reason for the
> larger pipe is not necessarily so you can cram more wires in but
> because the extra space also makes it easier to pull or replace wires
> later.
>
> --Rick
>
> On 1/1/2017 3:08 PM, Kent or Jackie Ashton wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looking at your wings, I think I'd put some 1/2 to 3/4 auto wire
>> loom protector in the wings, with zip ties so the wire does not work
>> itself out of the split in the loom protector. Leave a nylon string
>> in the protector that you can later use to pull wires. Later on, you
>> can push a stiff wire through the loom protector and use it to pull
>> wires. The loom protector is lightweight but will protect them from
>> abrasion.
>> -Kent
>> Cozy & Long-EZ builder
>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:44 PM, GTH wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Best wishes for 2017.
>>>
>>> What could be the dimensions of the conduit for the (nav/strobe
>>> lights, magnetometer, etc.) wires in the wing of a a composite
>>> aircraft ?
>>> There is plenty of room in the empty leading edge, but obviously the
>>> passage is too large and some means of attaching the wires seems in
>>> order.
>>> Any opinions on a practical way to use this long empty passage for
>>> wires ?
>>> Thanks in advance for your input,
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Gilles
>>> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Best dimensions for conduits |
| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
If you have a solid conduit with no pull string, you can send one through by tying
it around a wad of cotton balls and using either compressed air to blow it
through or a shop vac to suck it through. This works best in conduit under a
couple of inches in diameter, and where the conduit isn't already stuffed full
of wires. It definitely won't work in a split loom.
Another alternative is to disconnect a wire that's already installed and use it
to pull through a replacement for itself along with the new wires (and a pull
string for the future).
Eric
> On Jan 2, 2017, at 10:36 AM,
wrote:
> Leaving a "tied-off" line in the conduit to help pull a new wire through is a
great idea. But remember that when you use that line to pull the next wire through,
you need to also pull through another "spare" line to tie off, awaiting
your inevitable "next" wire pull...
>
> Of course, I learned this the hard way... (Long story involving a lengthy conduit
run from house to workshop, and a new welding circuit for the shop... Sigh.)
>
> Jim Parker
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EFII ignition and injection Z-13/8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
Extensive discussion from 2010.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288794
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464632#464632
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EFII ignition and injection Z-13/8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
Extensive discussion from 2010.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288794
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464633#464633
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GLEN MATEJCEK <fly4grins(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Conduit implementation, was Best dimensions for |
conduits
I used non-split corrugated loom, secured with safety wire. Secure,
permanent, flexible, adjustable, redoable, and easy.
I used heavy duty synthetic cord, perhaps 1/16 dia and very flexible as a
fish line. Scrap dowel with a dia about 3/4 of the ID of the conduit was
made into toggles about 1 1/2" long and tied to the ends of lines just over
twice the length of the conduit. I used a blow gun to send the line down
the conduit, wondering just how far it would go before hanging up. It shot
out the other end, across the shop, and bounced off the far wall. (That's
when I installed the second toggle...) The length allows the line to do
the job, be reset to the other original position, and pulled again, or used
bidirectionally. Duct tape attaches the wire to the line and makes a
smooth cone to avoid snags in the conduit. The toggles prevent the end of
the line from disappearing into the conduit. Yes, the 4 pulling lines
probably add 4, perhaps 5 oz. to my empty weight....
*SNIP*
"Leaving a "tied-off" line in the conduit to help pull a new wire through
is a great idea. But remember that when you use that line to pull the
next wire through, you need to also pull through another "spare" line to
tie off, awaiting your inevitable "next" wire pull..."
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Conduit implementation, was Best dimensions |
for conduits
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
/Le 03/01/2017 16:02, GLEN MATEJCEK a crit :
/
> /
>
> I used non-split corrugated loom, secured with safety wire. Secure,
> permanent, flexible, adjustable, redoable, and easy./
>
Hi all,
Thank you everyone for the great suggestions.
It is unusual to have to complain about having to large and too clean a
passage in the wing.
Now is the choice of a means for securing the conduit/loom inside the
leading edge to prevent it from moving or flapping around.
Best wishes for 2017,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Z-13/8 and SD-8 |
At 08:00 AM 1/2/2017, you wrote:
>
>It would be interesting to read about why the two diodes and
>resistor work and why the SD-8 will not work without them (unless a
>battery is connected).
>
>--------
>Joe Gores
>
>
Here's a close approximation of the Ducati product used by Rotax. This
illustrates the general architecture of most rectifier/regulators over
the past 20 years or so . . .
Emacs!
If you noodle through fuctionality of the circuit, you find a bridge
rectifier consisting of two diodes with cathodes tied to the output
terminal(s) . . . two silicon rectifiers with anodes connected to
ground. Control electronics for the SCRs gets power through the
"C" terminal.
With no source of power at "C" and "B" . . . the control electronics
are dark. With no control electronics, the SCRs are dormant. The
AC output from a rotating dynamo is unavailable for use.
Emacs!
Adding a battery . . . even a badly discharged battery of under 10 volts
will wake up the control electronics which in turn flogs the SCRs into
action and the Dynamo/R-R system wakes up.
Adding a couple of diodes external to the R-R along with a
current limiting resistor creates the equivalent 'leaky SCRs'
where rectification through the R-R is never zero. Small but
never zero.
In the absence of a load on the usual capacitor across the
R-R output terminals, this small energy source will charge the
capacitor to a voltage that will wake-up the control electronics
and bring the system on line.
This works only if there are no loads on the system's output
that over-taxes the weak, wake-up source.
Bob . . .
---
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EFII ignition and injection Z-13/8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
Extensive discussion from August 2014:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=104794
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464663#464663
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EFII ignition and injection Z-13/8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
I have concerns about EFII's Bus Manager and dual fuel pump wiring failure modes.
I do not plan to use Bus Manager and I will have separate switches and wires
for each fuel pump as well as the ECUs.
I have learned that Z19 and Z07, dual battery single alternator, are intended for
engines that do not allow dual alternators. Bob Nuckolls points us to Z12 or
Z13/8 for Lycomings and others that can mount dual alternators.
Robert Paisley reports system current draw:
======================
"jmjones2000(at)mindspring, PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:30 am Post subject:
Z-19 Function, I just heard back from Robert, EFII power demands on the 12v
system, ECUs draw about .1 amps ea, ignition coils draw about 2.3 amps ea at
high rpm, one fuel pump draws a little under 5A."
======================
I wish EFII had better current draw info to share so I could compare to SD-8 output
versus RPM. I can only assume from the above that "ECU" means injector ECU
plus injectors and "ignition coils" means ignition electronics plus coils. I
don't know if pump current varies with injector flow.
What Robert Paisley emailed me is "the full system is a little under 10 amps at
high rpm. About half of that is for the fuel pump."
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464666#464666
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Hunter" <billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
Hi AeroElectric Cyber Friends!!!
I figured I would bounce these questions off of the folks on this forum.
Over at the Velocity Aircraft Forum we have some questions with respect to
EMI from 12 VDC supplemental cabin heat systems such as heated seats, heated
blankets (such as an electric blanket that you plug into the cigarette
lighter), and/or a 12 volt electric heating element heater.
QUESTION 1: Would the heat blanket/seat system affect the magnetometer on
the aircraft? The 12 VDC electric heater has a motor and an element so that
certainly might cause issues. If so how far away would you consider it the
reasonable distance from the magnetometer to the heated element in the
blanket/seat?
QUESTION 2: If the heated seat would cause EMI, is it possible to mitigate
the EMI by "polarizing" the seat inserts (placing one element in one
direction and the other in the opposite direction? This is the heated seat
kit I bought for my aircraft:
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Carbon-Premium-Heated-Seats/dp/B00AKEVNP2/ref=s
r_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1483494619&sr=8-10&keywords=car%2Bheated%2Bseats&th=1
QUESTION 3: Would an electric seat/blanket cause radio noise? If so what
can one do to mitigate the noise?
QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater
system realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it is
designed for a RV unit:
<http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm>
http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm
Does anybody happen to have any experience with this particular unit and to
see if it's worth the cost / weight penalty involved in hauling this thing
around. I was thinking of installing this under the instrument panel and
using it as a defroster by directing the "heated" air toward the windshield.
We are in a "heated discussion" on how to add a heat source to the airplane.
The only heat in the velocity airplane design is an oil cooler mounted in
the nose and that air/oil heat exchanger is used for cabin heat.the problem
being that outside air is blown through the oil cooler and into the cabin
and naturally during cold months the OAT is significantly cold and therefore
the heat increase is not very efficient plus the fact that our air cooled
engines may not be producing that much oil temperature to begin with so we
are dreaming of ways to supplement our interior heat.
Any suggestions/feedback/experience would be greatly appreciated!!!
THANKS!!!
Bill Hunter
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| From: | "William Hunter" <billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | SD-20/SD-60 Question |
Hi Again.On a Roll Tonight I guess!!!
I am running a SD-60 and a LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on one bus with its own
battery and a SD-20 with its own LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on the second bus
with its own battery. The engine is a Lycoming IO-540.
QUESTION 1: I intend to operate my two electrical systems isolated with a
bus tie that will be used for engine start only and then untied afterwards.
What happens if I forget to untie the two busses after engine start and both
the SD-60 and the SD-20 are providing current to the combined system? Do
they share the load equally on the combined system? What happens should the
system load reach 50 AMPS? Does the SD-20 simply max out at 20 AMPS and
then the SD-60 picks up the rest of the 30 AMPS?
QUESTION 2: If I do remember to untie the busses.What happens to the single
system when there is a temporary current spike on that isolated system?
Example: Should the alternator be running at 90 percent of its capacity and
then the electric landing gear hydraulic pump cycles and draws another 25-30
AMPS. Does the voltage regulator simply limit the alternator output to its
max output of 60/20 AMPS and then the system draws down the battery during
the short time the gear pump is active or does the voltage regulator
deactivate the SD-60 requiring a reset?
QUESTION 3: How much output does the SD-60 and the SD-20 really put out
both at idle and at cruise RPM? I heard that the belt driven alternator
will put out full production at low RPM however the SD-20 will only put out
lower production at low RPM and only reach it's full rated production at max
RPM?
THANKS AGAIN ALL.
OH.BTW.I wish you all a prosperous New Year!!!
..
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
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| Subject: | Re: SD-20/SD-60 Question |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Answer 1: The alternators do not share the load equally. The load will draw current
from the source with the highest voltage. It depends on what voltage each
regulator is set at. If the 60 amp is set at a higher voltage, it will provide
all of the current. If the 20 amp is set at a higher voltage and the load
is higher than 20 amps, the 20 amp alternator will put out its maximum current
but will not be able to maintain the voltage because the load is too great.
Once the voltage sags below the set point of the 60 amp alternator, then the
60 amp alternator will turn on and help the 20 amp alternator. The 20 amp alternator
will still be putting out its maximum current which could cause it to
get hot if not provided with cooling. There could be some instability where
each alternator output varies up and down.
Answer 2: Here again, the load will draw current from the source with the highest
voltage. If the alternator voltage sags due to excessive current, when the
alternator voltage sags to battery voltage, then part of the current will come
from the battery and part from the alternator. A voltage regulator regulates
voltage, not current. If the voltage sags, the regulator will increase alternator
field current in an attempt to maintain the set point voltage. If the
load is too great, the alternator output voltage will sag while its output current
will be at maximum. Alternator output current is self limiting. It is
only capable of so much. I have never heard of a voltage regulator deactivating
and requiring a reset.
Answer 3: I do not know.
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464679#464679
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| Subject: | Re: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
| From: | Eric Page <edpav8r(at)yahoo.com> |
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM, William Hunter wr
ote:
> QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater sy
stem realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it is de
signed for a RV unit: http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p
/sd12-4000.htm
>
At the risk of being pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this other t
han to quote the product's specifications and explain the units.
The description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal Units (BTUs
). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to heat one pound of water (about
16 fl oz, or two cups) by one degree Fahrenheit.
So, the heat energy this thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of water (ap
prox 960 US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use numbers that are a bi
t more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by 10 deg F in one hour. Stil
l not a very helpful comparison.
The specs say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower motor ac
counts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves 465W (38.75A) for the hea
ting elements. That's a decent amount of heat, but compare that figure agai
nst a typical small domestic space heater that we're all familiar with: they
're commonly rated at 1,500W. The first three search results for "hair drye
r" on Amazon are rated at 1,875W!
Recommendations vary between 20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home, dependi
ng on your climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40 BTU/sq ft, th
en 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room (in a home insulated t
o code).
Whether that kind of analysis translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU is ad
equate for a light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are interesting
questions. How warm is warm enough?
Eric
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| Subject: | Re: Z-13/8 and SD-8 |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
To what voltage should the SD-8's PMR1C-14 regulator be set for Z-13/8?
I see for Z-12 the SD-60 and SD-20 (to use their old names) regulators are set
at 14.2 and 13 volts respectively.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464681#464681
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| Subject: | Re: SD-20/SD-60 Question |
| From: | "johnbright" <john_s_bright(at)yahoo.com> |
1/2)
Diagram Z-12 calls for:
Two alternators and one battery.
SD-60 alternator with LR-3 regulator. B and C presets this regulator to 14.2
volts.
SD-20 alternator with SB-1 regulator, B and C presets this regulator to 13.0
volts.
The SD-60 will carry all the load because it is set higher; but Z-12 has SD-20
switched off until needed.
When SD-60 is inoperative Z-12 calls for:
A panel light that will flash above 20 amps calling for you to shed load.
This panel light and its associated current sensor are included with regulator
SBK-14 versus the standard SB1B-14.
I interpolate the SD-20 will make 20 amps at 1750 rpm.
I think the battery will absorb most of the short-term hydraulic pump current.
Also think about what engine RPM will be.
But are you using Z-14? Z-14 calls for two two alternators at 14.2 volts. Ref
its description in Appendix Z.
3)
SD-20, ref page 2 here:
http://www.bandc.aero/pdfs/quickfacts_bc410-h.pdf
Runs at 1.3 times crank RPM.
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
Someone has their units mixed up here. BTU is a measure of energy. Heaters a
re measured in BTU/hour. (Like the difference between joules and watts). 480
W is 1638BTU/h, and 8000BTU/h is 2344W so the two figures given don't seem t
o agree. The former seems more reasonable than the latter for this unit.
On Jan 3, 2017, at 23:50, Eric Page wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM, William Hunter wr
ote:
> QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater sy
stem realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it is de
signed for a RV unit: http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p
/sd12-4000.htm
>
At the risk of being pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this other t
han to quote the product's specifications and explain the units.
The description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal Units (BTUs
). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to heat one pound of water (about
16 fl oz, or two cups) by one degree Fahrenheit.
So, the heat energy this thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of water (ap
prox 960 US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use numbers that are a bi
t more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by 10 deg F in one hour. Stil
l not a very helpful comparison.
The specs say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower motor ac
counts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves 465W (38.75A) for the hea
ting elements. That's a decent amount of heat, but compare that figure agai
nst a typical small domestic space heater that we're all familiar with: they
're commonly rated at 1,500W. The first three search results for "hair drye
r" on Amazon are rated at 1,875W!
Recommendations vary between 20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home, dependi
ng on your climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40 BTU/sq ft, th
en 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room (in a home insulated t
o code).
Whether that kind of analysis translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU is ad
equate for a light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are interesting
questions. How warm is warm enough?
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
One might also point out that trying to heat a space from a 12v supply is li
ke filling a swimming pool from a garden hose. Don't expect too much - there
's a reason that where the aviation community can't use exhaust muff heating
systems (cabin twins, for instance) they don't try electric, they use Janit
rol heaters.
On Jan 3, 2017, at 23:50, Eric Page wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM, William Hunter wr
ote:
> QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater sy
stem realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it is de
signed for a RV unit: http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p
/sd12-4000.htm
>
At the risk of being pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this other t
han to quote the product's specifications and explain the units.
The description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal Units (BTUs
). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to heat one pound of water (about
16 fl oz, or two cups) by one degree Fahrenheit.
So, the heat energy this thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of water (ap
prox 960 US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use numbers that are a bi
t more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by 10 deg F in one hour. Stil
l not a very helpful comparison.
The specs say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower motor ac
counts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves 465W (38.75A) for the hea
ting elements. That's a decent amount of heat, but compare that figure agai
nst a typical small domestic space heater that we're all familiar with: they
're commonly rated at 1,500W. The first three search results for "hair drye
r" on Amazon are rated at 1,875W!
Recommendations vary between 20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home, dependi
ng on your climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40 BTU/sq ft, th
en 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room (in a home insulated t
o code).
Whether that kind of analysis translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU is ad
equate for a light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are interesting
questions. How warm is warm enough?
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
Last post for now, I promise: the Janitrol approved for installation in a (4
seat) Cessna 170 is 25000BTU/h which is 7.3kW. Compare 500w...
On Jan 4, 2017, at 07:41, Alec Myers wrote:
One might also point out that trying to heat a space from a 12v supply is li
ke filling a swimming pool from a garden hose. Don't expect too much - there
's a reason that where the aviation community can't use exhaust muff heating
systems (cabin twins, for instance) they don't try electric, they use Janit
rol heaters.
On Jan 3, 2017, at 23:50, Eric Page wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM, William Hunter wr
ote:
> QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater sy
stem realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it is de
signed for a RV unit: http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p
/sd12-4000.htm
>
At the risk of being pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this other t
han to quote the product's specifications and explain the units.
The description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal Units (BTUs
). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to heat one pound of water (about
16 fl oz, or two cups) by one degree Fahrenheit.
So, the heat energy this thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of water (ap
prox 960 US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use numbers that are a bi
t more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by 10 deg F in one hour. Stil
l not a very helpful comparison.
The specs say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower motor ac
counts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves 465W (38.75A) for the hea
ting elements. That's a decent amount of heat, but compare that figure agai
nst a typical small domestic space heater that we're all familiar with: they
're commonly rated at 1,500W. The first three search results for "hair drye
r" on Amazon are rated at 1,875W!
Recommendations vary between 20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home, dependi
ng on your climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40 BTU/sq ft, th
en 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room (in a home insulated t
o code).
Whether that kind of analysis translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU is ad
equate for a light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are interesting
questions. How warm is warm enough?
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Z-13/8 and SD-8 |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Bob, thanks for that explanation.
--------
Joe Gores
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464694#464694
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| Subject: | Re: SD-20/SD-60 Question |
| From: | Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> |
On 1/3/2017 9:55 PM, William Hunter wrote:
>
> I am running a SD-60 and a LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on one bus with
> its own battery and a SD-20 with its own LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on
> the second bus with its own battery. The engine is a Lycoming IO-540.
>
I have been operating an RV10 with a Z-14, LR3Cs, an SD40 and SD20, all
on an IO-540. A Z-14 is what you are describing.
>
> QUESTION 1: I intend to operate my two electrical systems isolated
> with a bus tie that will be used for engine start only and then untied
> afterwards. What happens if I forget to untie the two busses after
> engine start and both the SD-60 and the SD-20 are providing current to
> the combined system? Do they share the load equally on the combined
> system? What happens should the system load reach 50 AMPS? Does the
> SD-20 simply max out at 20 AMPS and then the SD-60 picks up the rest
> of the 30 AMPS?
>
Operationally, the idea is to use the systems tied for the start, then
untie them for flight. I've run them both ways, 50:50, over 800 hours.
No problems either way but I can't tell you exactly what was charging
what, when, due a voltage measurement problem (see way below).
A big reason you run them split is so you can detect any problems. I
recently 'lost' the SD-40 in IMC - low voltage light came on and bus
voltage dropped to battery levels on the one bus. Nothing popped or
anything so I simply cross-tied the buses and turned off the Alt/Batt
switch on the SD-40 side. The SD-20 kept the voltage at an acceptable,
constant level until the flight was completed. (the problem on the SD-40
bus turned out to a degraded connection somewhere in the LR3-switch-bus
circuit that detects field voltage. Executing B&C LR3 troubleshooting
procedure identified the problem. All connections were physically reset
and problem resolved)
>
> QUESTION 2: If I do remember to untie the bussesWhat happens to the
> single system when there is a temporary current spike on that isolated
> system? Example: Should the alternator be running at 90 percent of
> its capacity and then the electric landing gear hydraulic pump cycles
> and draws another 25-30 AMPS. Does the voltage regulator simply limit
> the alternator output to its max output of 60/20 AMPS and then the
> system draws down the battery during the short time the gear pump is
> active or does the voltage regulator deactivate the SD-60 requiring a
> reset?
>
Just like a single bus/alt/batt, it draws on the battery but you won't
even notice.
>
> QUESTION 3: How much output does the SD-60 and the SD-20 really put
> out both at idle and at cruise RPM? I heard that the belt driven
> alternator will put out full production at low RPM however the SD-20
> will only put out lower production at low RPM and only reach its full
> rated production at max RPM?
>
Yes, the SD-20 will put out considerably less than 20amps at idle.
Doesn't really matter in my experience
Voltage Measurement: I created a problem with how I measured bus
voltages. I have a GRT panel with (3) EFISs and (1) EIS. I took one
voltage measurement from the EIS and the other from the EFIS, and then
displayed the 2 voltages on the EFIS. This was easy since the EFISs
were on 1 bus and the EIS on the other. In both cases I was getting the
voltage level of the feeds for each system. However the EFISs represent
a significant load and the voltage there was about .6 volts less than
bus voltage. On the other hand, the EIS is a very low, constant load
device and the voltage there more or less was equal to bus voltage.
Many problems resulted from this. The solution is to get your 2 bus
measurements from places that match bus voltages.
Load Balancing: Distinguish between constant loads and temporary
loads. My understanding is that you generally balance for constant
loads (Powered on panel devices, strobes, running lights) and rely on
your excess capacity and battery for the others (gear, landing lights,
radio transmit, engine start). I got a bit fancy and started with too
many constant loads on the SD-20. Though the SD-20 will run everything
on both buses in daytime cruise and keep the battery fully charged.
Charging voltage levels: If you are using AGM batteries (PC680s here) be
careful about low bus voltages. 14.2 is a good minimum and you should
see at least 14 on both buses at shutdown. Anything less means that
your battery is being stored at less than full charge and that will
shorten its life. Any shutdown voltage level of 13.x is going to cost
you extra battery money in my experience.
Bill "wishing for FIKI" Watson
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: SD-20/SD-60 Question |
I am running a SD-60 and a LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on one bus with
its own battery and a SD-20 with its own LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on
the second bus with its own battery. The engine is a Lycoming IO-540.
Okay, Figure Z-14 . . .
QUESTION 1: I intend to operate my two electrical systems isolated
with a bus tie that will be used for engine start only and then
untied afterwards. What happens if I forget to untie the two busses
after engine start and both the SD-60 and the SD-20 are providing
current to the combined system? Do they share the load equally on
the combined system? What happens should the system load reach 50
AMPS? Does the SD-20 simply max out at 20 AMPS and then the SD-60
picks up the rest of the 30 AMPS?
Not necessarily. Both regulators should be set for
optimal BATTERY maintenance (14.2 to 14.6 volts).
It's practically impossible to set them to the same
voltage. Hence, while paralleled, the alternator
with the slightly higher setting will 'hog' the
load until such time as it maxes out, bus voltage
falls until the alternator with the lower set-point
picks up the difference.
QUESTION 2: If I do remember to untie the busses . . .
How would this happen? If wired per the published
drawing, the crossfeed contactor is automatically
closed when a SPRING LOADED switch is moved to
START position. This gets you two batteries for
cranking while illuminating a CROSSFEED WARN
light. When the engine starts, the switch is
released, the contactor opens, the light goes
out. Nothing to 'forget'.
Emacs!
What happens to the single system when there is a temporary current
spike on that isolated system? Example: Should the alternator be
running at 90 percent of its capacity and then the electric landing
gear hydraulic pump cycles and draws another 25-30 AMPS. Does the
voltage regulator simply limit the alternator output to its max
output of 60/20 AMPS and then the system draws down the battery
during the short time the gear pump is active or does the voltage
regulator deactivate the SD-60 requiring a reset?
Not sure what the concern is here. First, how do
you expect to normally load either alternator so
heavily? Both sides should be designed to achieve
25% or so of headroom on the alternator for battery
charging.
But even if the inrush current from a pump motor
exceeds an alternator's rated capacity, the bus
voltage sags, the battery picks up the difference,
and all returns to normal after the event . . . which
is generally over in tens of milliseconds. No big
deal.
QUESTION 3: How much output does the SD-60 and the SD-20 really put
out both at idle and at cruise RPM? I heard that the belt driven
alternator will put out full production at low RPM however the SD-20
will only put out lower production at low RPM and only reach it's
full rated production at max RPM?
Generally true. Don't go by what you HEAR . . . go
get the specs from the folks who design, manufacture,
sell and support the systems. Generally speaking,
B&C belt driven alternators DO run fast . . . unlike
alternators deliberately slowed by installation of
larger pulleys (to save bearings), the B&C alternators
(and most others) produce a substantial fraction of
rated output at taxi speeds.
The SD-20 is mechanically crippled by installation on
a drive pad with a max rpm on the order of 4K . . . LESS
than minimum speed for full output from the 40A core
from which the SD-20 is manufactured.
Have offered that, it behooves every builder to KNOW
what the in flight running loads are on ANY alternators.
To KNOW what headroom is available to recharge the
companion battery. To KNOW what energy levels are
stored in any combination of batteries.
Figure Z-14 offers a tall fire-wall against failures
but it does not negate the value of discovering and
understanding EVERYTHING there is to know about how
all the pieces fit together along with the effect
any single failure might have on in-flight systems
operations.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Bill Schertz" <wschertz343(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Conduit and adding wires |
One other technique for adding a wire to an existing conduit if you don't
have the embedded string is to take a length of 1/4" polyethylene tubing,
run it down the existing conduit (may have to occasionally turn it) it is
stiff enough to allow you to install it, then run the wire into the tube,
fasten the far end and pull the tube back out. The slippery nature of the
tubing makes pushing the wire through easy,.
Bill Schertz
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| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
| Subject: | Rotax 912iS questions |
Hi all,
Presently considering the wiring of a Rotax 912iS in a friend's
composite project.
The engine features a digital fuel injection with high pressure fuel
pumps, digital control "lanes", backup power circuit, dual alternator
with control box etc.
The Rotax Installation manual calls for a certain number of panel switches :
Pump A and B switches (permanent) : 10 A each
Lane A & B switches (permanent) : 7.5 A each
Engine Control Unit start power switch (momentary) : 20 A
Backup battery switch (permanent) : 20 A
QUESTION : is it advisable to bring such heavy current carrying wires to
the panel, or would it be preferable to use relays to control the system ?
Any input appreciated,
Thanks in advance,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 1/4/2017 1:21 PM, GTH wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Presently considering the wiring of a Rotax 912iS in a friend's
> composite project.
>
> The engine features a digital fuel injection with high pressure fuel
> pumps, digital control "lanes", backup power circuit, dual alternator
> with control box etc.
>
> The Rotax Installation manual calls for a certain number of panel
> switches :
>
> Pump A and B switches (permanent) : 10 A each
>
> Lane A & B switches (permanent) : 7.5 A each
>
> Engine Control Unit start power switch (momentary) : 20 A
>
> Backup battery switch (permanent) : 20 A
>
> QUESTION : is it advisable to bring such heavy current carrying wires
> to the panel, or would it be preferable to use relays to control the
> system ?
>
> Any input appreciated,
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
For me, the decisions were based both on overall weight, and
complexity/reliability (yes, I know they aren't necessarily the same
thing, but can be related).
How much weight (length has a big influence) will using the heavier
gauge wire add, vs the added weight of the relay? How much reliability
will you sacrifice by adding a relay and all the extra terminations
required?
Even 20 A is not that big a deal for the proper switch. Going bigger
than that, a relay starts to look more attractive, especially since the
automotive world now makes fairly light weight, high current relays
available for very reasonable prices.
Charlie
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
1/4/2017
Hello Bill Hunter, I could not find enough space under the engine
cowling to put a heat muff on the exhaust system of my KIS TR-1 airplane
powered by a Continental Motors IO-240 B9B engine.
I initially tried to use an recreational vehicle heater similar to your:
http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm
It generated about as much heat as waving a lighted cigarette around in
the cockpit. Also it generated noise on the radio. Totally useless.
My solution was electrically heated clothing like the motorcyclists and
the snowmobile riders use. My brand was Gerbings bought several years
ago which has worked great. That company=99s recent history is
shaky so shop around before you buy.
OC
=============
From: "William Hunter" <billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions
Hi AeroElectric Cyber Friends!!!
I figured I would bounce these questions off of the folks on this forum.
Over at the Velocity Aircraft Forum we have some questions with respect
to
EMI from 12 VDC supplemental cabin heat systems such as heated seats,
heated
blankets (such as an electric blanket that you plug into the cigarette
lighter), and/or a 12 volt electric heating element heater.
QUESTION 1: Would the heat blanket/seat system affect the magnetometer
on
the aircraft? The 12 VDC electric heater has a motor and an element so
that
certainly might cause issues. If so how far away would you consider it
the
reasonable distance from the magnetometer to the heated element in the
blanket/seat?
QUESTION 2: If the heated seat would cause EMI, is it possible to
mitigate
the EMI by "polarizing" the seat inserts (placing one element in one
direction and the other in the opposite direction? This is the heated
seat
kit I bought for my aircraft:
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Carbon-Premium-Heated-Seats/dp/B00AKEVNP2/re
f=s
r_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1483494619&sr=8-10&keywords=car%2Bheated%2Bsea
ts&th=1
QUESTION 3: Would an electric seat/blanket cause radio noise? If so
what
can one do to mitigate the noise?
QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater
system realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it
is
designed for a RV unit:
<http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm>
http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm
Does anybody happen to have any experience with this particular unit and
to
see if it's worth the cost / weight penalty involved in hauling this
thing
around. I was thinking of installing this under the instrument panel and
using it as a defroster by directing the "heated" air toward the
windshield.
We are in a "heated discussion" on how to add a heat source to the
airplane.
The only heat in the velocity airplane design is an oil cooler mounted
in
the nose and that air/oil heat exchanger is used for cabin heat.the
problem
being that outside air is blown through the oil cooler and into the
cabin
and naturally during cold months the OAT is significantly cold and
therefore
the heat increase is not very efficient plus the fact that our air
cooled
engines may not be producing that much oil temperature to begin with so
we
are dreaming of ways to supplement our interior heat.
Any suggestions/feedback/experience would be greatly appreciated!!!
THANKS!!!
Bill Hunter
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| From: | "William Hunter" <billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | SD-20/SD-60 Question |
Joe and Bob,
I am VERY GRATEFUL for your help on this!!!
>Okay, Figure Z-14 . . .
Yes exactly.I stole that idea from the best source I could find. I did not
go with the auto bus tie option however.
>Both sides should be designed to achieve 25% or so of headroom on the
alternator for battery
charging.
Can you all PLEASE check my homework on the current draw of the proposed
equipment on each system?
Naturally not all of these items will be running at the same time so it is
hard to try to figure out what the actual steady state load will be.
EXAMPLE: On hot days I will need the turbo intercooler electric fans but no
pitot heat nor heated seats and vice versa. Communications radios on
receive mode draw very little however when transmitting they draw 3 AMPS for
only that time.
I will be running two Dynon SV-1000s and each will be powered by its onside
independent electrical system.
Red System Loads (SD-20):
The left system with the SD-20 is called "RED" (because there is a red light
on the left wingtip).
CB NAME AMP ITEM ON RED (PILOT SIDE)
BUS BAR
VOLT REG SENSE 2 LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator BUS VOLTAGE SENSE
VOLT REG FIELD 5 VOLTAGE REGULATOR FIELD
EFIS 5 Pilot side EFIS system
SV-D1000 10" SKYVIEW DISPLAY 3.5amp
SV-GPS-250 GPS MODULE
0.10amp
SV-BAT-320 1.00 amp (only when
at max charge)
SV-ADAHRS-200 0.15amp
USB WiFi ADAPTER 0.10amp
SV-ARINC-429 0.10amp
SV-KNOB-PANEL
0.07 amp
SV-AP-PANEL 0.05 amp
SV-EMS220
0.11amp
SV COM 5 SV-COM-425
0.2amp continuous in RCV mode
3 amp only during XMT
SV-AP SERVO 5 SV-AP SERVO
Pitch servo 2 amps only when moving at MAX torque
Roll servo 2 amps only when moving at MAX torque
SV-AP POWER 3 SV-AP UNIT
AP control box less than 3 amps
TAXI LIGHT 5 TAXI LIGHT IN NOSE
ENG FAN 2 ELECTRIC TURBO
INTERCOOLER COOLING FANS ACCY FEED
This CB powers the accessory power for the relays only. There are two
engine cooling fans mounted below the turbocharger intercooler and there are
two relays (one for each fan) attached to the battery box and each relay
needs a 12V signal for accessory on and then it also needs a ground signal
to close the relay contacts that power the fans. The ground signal is
provided by switched ground. When the relay closes the fans get their power
feed directly from the GREEN battery output through a 30 AMP inline fuse.
The Intercooler fans provide supplemental ground and climb cooling to the
intercooler and engine and therefore this system is not required for flight
GREEN BUS SD-60
The right system with the SD-60 is called "GREEN" (you get the idea).
CB NAME AMP ITEM ON MAIN BUS BAR
VOLT REG SENSE 2 LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator BUS VOLTAGE SENSE
VOLT REG FIELD 5 VOLTAGE REGULATOR FIELD
EFIS 5 (All these items are powered
from the #2 Skyview)
SV-D1000 10" SKYVIEW DISPLAY 3.5amp
SV-GPS-250 GPS MODULE
0.10amp
SV-BAT-320 1.00 amp
SV-ADAHRS-200 0.15amp
SV-ARINC-429 0.10amp
SV-KNOB-PANEL
0.07 amp
SV-AP-PANEL 0.05 amp
SV-EMS220
0.11amp
USB WiFi ADAPTER
0.10amp
FUEL PUMP 10 ELECTRIC FUEL PUMP
PITOT 10 10.0amp max @ max heat
START 5 STARTER SOLENOID
GEAR CONTROL 5 Gear Controller circuitry 18 AWH wire
GEAR HYD 30 Electro-Hydraulic pump for retractable
gear actuation
STROBE 10 WHELEN HDACF 01-0770028-05
LAND LIGHT 10 HID Landing Light plus two LED landing
lights
MISC LTS 5 INTERIOR LEDS AND OTHER LED MISC
LIGHTS
USB 10 USB CHARGER AND CIGARETTE
LIGHTER SOCKET
FUEL QTY 2 PRINCETON CAPACITANCE PROBES (two
probes total)
NAV 5 INCANDESCENT LIGHTS
HEATED SEATS 10 FOUR SEATS IN THE AIRPLANE WILL BE HEATED.
THIS CB IS FOR THE ACCESSORY
CONTROL ONLY. THE SEAT
HEATERS HAVE THEIR OWN 10 AMP MINI CB THAT IS
CONNECTED TO THE GREEN BUS
BAR.
AVIONICS BUS YELLOW:
The Avionics bus will be normally powered by the GREEN Bus through a
dedicated Honeywell LT-001 ON/OFF switch.
During abnormal operations after manual load shedding the Avionics Bus can
be powered by the RED Bus through a dedicated Honeywell LT-001 ON/OFF
switch.
CB NAME AMP ITEM ON AVIONICS BUS BAR
GARMIN COM 10 GARMIN GNS650 Comm Connector .45A
continuous 5.66A Max when transmitting
GARMIN NAV 7.5 GARMIN GNS650 Nav Connector .6A
continuous
1.16A Max
Main Connector 1.6A continuous 2.8A Max
AUDIO 3 SL-15
0.350amp typ 1.5amp max
XPNDR 5 SV-XPNDR-261
0.4amp
ADS-B 5 SV-ADSB-470
0.2amp
THANKS AGAIN!!!
..
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
Mobile 408-464-1902
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: SD-20/SD-60 Question
I am running a SD-60 and a LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on one bus with its own
battery and a SD-20 with its own LR3C-14 Voltage Regulator on the second bus
with its own battery. The engine is a Lycoming IO-540.
Okay, Figure Z-14 . . .
QUESTION 1: I intend to operate my two electrical systems isolated with a
bus tie that will be used for engine start only and then untied afterwards.
What happens if I forget to untie the two busses after engine start and both
the SD-60 and the SD-20 are providing current to the combined system? Do
they share the load equally on the combined system? What happens should the
system load reach 50 AMPS? Does the SD-20 simply max out at 20 AMPS and
then the SD-60 picks up the rest of the 30 AMPS?
Not necessarily. Both regulators should be set for
optimal BATTERY maintenance (14.2 to 14.6 volts).
It's practically impossible to set them to the same
voltage. Hence, while paralleled, the alternator
with the slightly higher setting will 'hog' the
load until such time as it maxes out, bus voltage
falls until the alternator with the lower set-point
picks up the difference.
QUESTION 2: If I do remember to untie the busses . . .
How would this happen? If wired per the published
drawing, the crossfeed contactor is automatically
closed when a SPRING LOADED switch is moved to
START position. This gets you two batteries for
cranking while illuminating a CROSSFEED WARN
light. When the engine starts, the switch is
released, the contactor opens, the light goes
out. Nothing to 'forget'.
What happens to the single system when there is a temporary current spike on
that isolated system? Example: Should the alternator be running at 90
percent of its capacity and then the electric landing gear hydraulic pump
cycles and draws another 25-30 AMPS. Does the voltage regulator simply
limit the alternator output to its max output of 60/20 AMPS and then the
system draws down the battery during the short time the gear pump is active
or does the voltage regulator deactivate the SD-60 requiring a reset?
Not sure what the concern is here. First, how do
you expect to normally load either alternator so
heavily? Both sides should be designed to achieve
25% or so of headroom on the alternator for battery
charging.
But even if the inrush current from a pump motor
exceeds an alternator's rated capacity, the bus
voltage sags, the battery picks up the difference,
and all returns to normal after the event . . . which
is generally over in tens of milliseconds. No big
deal.
QUESTION 3: How much output does the SD-60 and the SD-20 really put out
both at idle and at cruise RPM? I heard that the belt driven alternator
will put out full production at low RPM however the SD-20 will only put out
lower production at low RPM and only reach it's full rated production at max
RPM?
Generally true. Don't go by what you HEAR . . . go
get the specs from the folks who design, manufacture,
sell and support the systems. Generally speaking,
B&C belt driven alternators DO run fast . . . unlike
alternators deliberately slowed by installation of
larger pulleys (to save bearings), the B&C alternators
(and most others) produce a substantial fraction of
rated output at taxi speeds.
The SD-20 is mechanically crippled by installation on
a drive pad with a max rpm on the order of 4K . . . LESS
than minimum speed for full output from the 40A core
from which the SD-20 is manufactured.
Have offered that, it behooves every builder to KNOW
what the in flight running loads are on ANY alternators.
To KNOW what headroom is available to recharge the
companion battery. To KNOW what energy levels are
stored in any combination of batteries.
Figure Z-14 offers a tall fire-wall against failures
but it does not negate the value of discovering and
understanding EVERYTHING there is to know about how
all the pieces fit together along with the effect
any single failure might have on in-flight systems
operations.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "William Hunter" <billhuntersemail(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
Thanks All for your time in contributing to this subject. I certainly
came to the right place.
DANGand I thought that a =9CBTU=9D was a form of
currency changing because I see BTU on my utility bill and my currency
changes from my account to the utility company account.
..
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alec
Myers
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:31 AM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other
Questions
Someone has their units mixed up here. BTU is a measure of energy.
Heaters are measured in BTU/hour. (Like the difference between joules
and watts). 480W is 1638BTU/h, and 8000BTU/h is 2344W so the two figures
given don't seem to agree. The former seems more reasonable than the
latter for this unit.
On Jan 3, 2017, at 23:50, Eric Page > wrote:
On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM, William Hunter > wrote:
QUESTION 4: How much heat would a small 12 VDC electric element heater
system realistically put out? This is the one we have been discussing it
is designed for a RV unit:
http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm
At the risk of being pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this
other than to quote the product's specifications and explain the units.
The description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal Units
(BTUs). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to heat one pound of
water (about 16 fl oz, or two cups) by one degree Fahrenheit.
So, the heat energy this thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of water
(approx 960 US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use numbers that
are a bit more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by 10 deg F in one
hour. Still not a very helpful comparison.
The specs say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower
motor accounts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves 465W (38.75A)
for the heating elements. That's a decent amount of heat, but compare
that figure against a typical small domestic space heater that we're all
familiar with: they're commonly rated at 1,500W. The first three search
results for "hair dryer" on Amazon are rated at 1,875W!
Recommendations vary between 20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home,
depending on your climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40
BTU/sq ft, then 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room (in
a home insulated to code).
Whether that kind of analysis translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU
is adequate for a light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are
interesting questions. How warm is warm enough?
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Well....That's kinda comparing apples to kumquats.
Ever driven a late model car with seat heaters? Hop in on a freezing
cold day, crank the engine, and with the seat heaters on, your body will
be warm before the engine coolant has gone up 2 degrees. All the heat
goes directly to your body core.
As an analogy, consider the radiant heaters used in a lot of workshops.
As long as they are pointed at the worker, the worker stays reasonably
warm even though the shop's air temp stays cold.
I suspect that twins had Janitrol heaters long before heated seats were
invented, or even a possibility (many generators from that era could
barely keep up with the electrical demands of the instrument panel). And
the current crop of cabin twins have them because those that can afford
them expect them to offer all the comforts of home; hang the expense and
inefficiency.
Charlie
On 1/4/2017 6:41 AM, Alec Myers wrote:
> One might also point out that trying to heat a space from a 12v supply
> is like filling a swimming pool from a garden hose. Don't expect too
> much - there's a reason that where the aviation community can't use
> exhaust muff heating systems (cabin twins, for instance) they don't
> try electric, they use Janitrol heaters.
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 23:50, Eric Page > wrote:
>
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM, William Hunter > wrote:
>>
>> QUESTION 4: How much heat would asmall 12 VDC electric element
>> heater system realistically put out? This is the one we have been
>> discussing it is designed for a RV unit:
>> http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm
>>
>
> At the risk of being pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this
> other than to quote the product's specifications and explain the units.
>
> The description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal Units
> (BTUs). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to heat one pound of
> water (about 16 fl oz, or two cups) by one degree Fahrenheit.
>
> So, the heat energy this thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of
> water (approx 960 US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use
> numbers that are a bit more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by
> 10 deg F in one hour. Still not a very helpful comparison.
>
> The specs say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower
> motor accounts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves 465W
> (38.75A) for the heating elements. That's a decent amount of heat,
> but compare that figure against a typical small domestic space heater
> that we're all familiar with: they're commonly rated at 1,500W. The
> first three search results for "hair dryer" on Amazon are rated at 1,875W!
>
> Recommendations vary between 20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home,
> depending on your climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40
> BTU/sq ft, then 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room
> (in a home insulated to code).
>
> Whether that kind of analysis translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU
> is adequate for a light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are
> interesting questions. How warm is warm enough?
>
> Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
>
>I suspect that twins had Janitrol heaters long before heated seats
>were invented, or even a possibility (many generators from that era
>could barely keep up with the electrical demands of the instrument
>panel). And the current crop of cabin twins have them because those
>that can afford them expect them to offer all the comforts of home;
>hang the expense and inefficiency.
Janitrol and Southwind . . . both legacy icons
in cabin comfort in the air and especially on the
ground.
I picked up an old Southwind heater at a garage sale
some years back and was fascinated by the technology.
MUCH simpler than the gas fired heater in my VW van.
Dug up the patents on a few models . . . very slick.
Used engine vacuum to 'suck' fuel, provide 'draft'
and dispose of exhaust gasses. Glo plug for ignition.
Really slick. Combustion fuel/air pathway totally
closed. These were popular before my time but relatives
spoke highly of them. McCollum's name appears on dozens
of Southwind patents of that era . . . he was a
prolific inventor/developer.
My mentor (Ken Razak) and I puzzled over the practicality
of adapting a similar technology to compact cabin heaters
for the Ez series aircraft . . . using a venturi to produce
operating vacuum. It appeared doable but not without a
great deal of R&D . . . and the market was limited.
All light twins use gas heaters 'cause you just can't
get exhaust-muff heated air in from the wings. Further
if the airplane is pressurized, the cabin air side
of a gas heater lends itself to becoming part of the
pressure vessel.
Persons interested in reviewing this piece of automotive
history are welcome to download the data package at:
http://tinyurl.com/jy6potv
Bob . . .
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| From: | Buckaroo Banzai <ornerycuss2001(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions |
Have you considered a door in the fresh air inlet to the air-oil cooler and an
alternate air path to recycle cabin air through the air-oil cooler?
--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 1/4/17, William Hunter wrote:
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: EMI From Seat Heaters and Other Questions
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
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#yiv3929019256 Thanks All for your time in
contributing to this subject. I certainly came to the
right place. DANGand I thought that a
BTU was a form of currency changing because I see BTU
on my utility bill and my currency changes from my account
to the utility company account...
Cheers!!!
Bill Hunter
From:
owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
Behalf Of Alec Myers
Sent:
Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:31 AM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: EMI From
Seat Heaters and Other Questions Someone has their units mixed
up here. BTU is a measure of energy. Heaters are measured in
BTU/hour. (Like the difference between joules and watts).
480W is 1638BTU/h, and 8000BTU/h is 2344W so the two figures
given don't seem to agree. The former seems more
reasonable than the latter for this unit.
On Jan 3,
2017, at 23:50, Eric Page
wrote:On Jan 3, 2017, at 6:20 PM,
William Hunter
wrote:QUESTION 4: How much heat would
a small 12 VDC
electric element heater
system realistically put out? This is
the one we have been discussing it is designed for a RV
unit: http://www.my12voltstore.com/12_Volt_Ducted_Heater_p/sd12-4000.htm At the risk of being
pedantic, I'm not sure how one would answer this other
than to quote the product's specifications and explain
the units.
The
description says this heater rated for 8,016 British Thermal
Units (BTUs). A BTU is the amount of energy it takes to
heat one pound of water (about 16 fl oz, or two cups) by one
degree Fahrenheit. So, the heat energy this
thing puts out could heat a 4-ton tank of water (approx 960
US gal) by one deg F in one hour. Or, to use numbers that
are a bit more meaningful, heat about 96 gal of water by 10
deg F in one hour. Still not a very helpful
comparison.
The specs
say it draws 480W (40A at 12V). It looks like the blower
motor accounts for 15W (1.25A) of that total, which leaves
465W (38.75A) for the heating elements. That's a
decent amount of heat, but compare that figure against a
typical small domestic space heater that we're all
familiar with: they're commonly rated at 1,500W. The
first three search results for "hair dryer" on
Amazon are rated at 1,875W! Recommendations vary between
20 and 60 BTU/sq ft for heating a home, depending on your
climate region. If you assume a middle value of 40 BTU/sq
ft, then 8,000 BTU would be about right for a 200 sq ft room
(in a home insulated to code). Whether that kind of analysis
translates to airplanes, or if 8,000 BTU is adequate for a
light plane cockpit flying through freezing air are
interesting questions. How warm is warm
enough?
Eric
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
/Le 04/01/2017 20:49, Charlie England a crit :
/
> /
>
> Even 20 A is not that big a deal for the proper switch. Going bigger
> than that, a relay starts to look more attractive, especially since
> the automotive world now makes fairly light weight, high current
> relays available for very reasonable prices.
> /
Charlie and all,
Thank you to everyone who responded, on the list and in PM !
Actually my concern is the high amperage in the fuel pumps and the
digital lanes wires. All those electrons flowing to and from the panel
just to keep the engine running, considering the avionics in the vicinity...
Maybe relays or contactors for the 20 amp circuits...
Those injection engines are a bit complicated to manage : 5 switches to
fumble with in addition to the regular master and starter switches just
to start the engine.
Lots of thinking to simplify the task of the pilot and avoid forgetting
something or manoeuvring the switches in the wrong sequence...
Thank you for your attention, and please keep giving advices, this is a
great help !
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| From: | "Raven Aero Service" <ravenas(at)ksbroadband.net> |
| Subject: | audio jacks for King KY 197 |
Hello,
I am trying to install a King KY 197 radio in an aircraft.=C2- I have the
installation instructions.=C2- The diagrams for making the connection ha
rness show that shielded single-conductor cables should be used to connect
the audio jacks to the radio, and that the shield for each cable should be
connected to the "barrel" of the associated=C2-jack on one end and to a p
articular radio terminal on the other end.=C2- It seems logical to me tha
t it would also be required to insulate the jack barrel from the panel it i
s mounted in, but I can find no instructions for this.=C2- Can anyone tel
l me if this is required?
Thank you
Jon Hornbostel
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
At 04:25 AM 1/5/2017, you wrote:
>Le 04/01/2017 =C3 20:49, Charlie England a =C3=A9crit=C2 :
>>
>>
>>Even 20 A is not that big a deal for the proper
>>switch. Going bigger than that, a relay starts
>>to look more attractive, especially since the
>>automotive world now makes fairly light weight,
>>high current relays available for very reasonable prices.
>
>Charlie and all,
>
>Thank you to everyone who responded, on the list and in PM !
>Actually my concern is the high amperage in the
>fuel pumps and the digital lanes wires. All
>those electrons flowing to and from the panel
>just to keep the engine running, considering the avionics in the vicinity.
=2E.
>Maybe relays or contactors for the 20 amp circuits...
>Those injection engines are a bit complicated to
>manage : 5 switches to fumble with in addition
>to the regular master and starter switches just to start the engine.
>Lots of thinking to simplify the task of the
>pilot and avoid forgetting something or
>manoeuvring the switches in the wrong sequence...
Is there a down-loadable copy of the installation manual
for your system? The REAL concerns have little to do
with switch ratings, wire sizes or breakers/fuses.
The elegant solution considers failure modes (including
risk of pilot error) . . . this is a system integration
issue . . . a skill seldom demonstrated by folks who
manufacture and market airplane parts.
After FMEA is done, you NEED to know the ENERGY
requirements for each accessory and anticipate the
combinations in which those accessories are needed
after loss of a single accessory for any reason.
This is called LOAD ANALYSIS and it sets the sizes
of alternators, batteries, circuit protection, wires,
and yes . . . switches. Switches are last on the list
of concerns. Many individuals in the OBAM aviation
community get wrapped around the axles of AC vs. DC
ratings, slow vs. fast break mechanisms, etc. etc.
The underlying motivation being "nothing is too
good for my airplane . . . and after all . . .
it IS an airplane . . . everybody knows that
things breaking on airplanes comes with risks
for spiraling out of the sky trailing smoke."
The realities are not nearly so exciting. See
http://tinyurl.com/jfr8zzu
The bottom line demonstrates that IF your
FMEA is artfully conducted and IF your energy
budgets are KNOWN and MAINTAINED, likelihood of
an electrically induced bad day in the cockpit
is vanishingly low.
Let's pray over the manufacture's data a bit
to see if there's enough data to move your
deliberations forward with confidence.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: audio jacks for King KY 197 |
At 07:48 AM 1/5/2017, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am trying to install a King KY 197 radio in an aircraft. I have
>the installation instructions. The diagrams for making the
>connection harness show that shielded single-conductor cables should
>be used to connect the audio jacks to the radio, and that the shield
>for each cable should be connected to the "barrel" of the associated
>jack on one end and to a particular radio terminal on the other
>end. It seems logical to me that it would also be required to
>insulate the jack barrel from the panel it is mounted in, but I can
>find no instructions for this. Can anyone tell me if this is required?
Absolutely recommended. There are lots of
installations not insulated with no perceived
problems . . . but it's easy to do from the
get-go . . .
See http://tinyurl.com/hngj22o
http://tinyurl.com/z9wr629
Bob . . .
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| From: | Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
Bob,
The 912iS installation manual (along with all other manuals for all
Rotax engines) is available at:
http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/support-topmenu/engine-manuals
<http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/support-topmenu/engine-manuals>
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger(at)mac.com
On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III
wrote:
At 04:25 AM 1/5/2017, you wrote:
> Le 04/01/2017 =C3=83 20:49, Charlie England a =C3=83=C2=A9crit=C3=82
:
>>
>>
>> Even 20 A is not that big a deal for the proper switch. Going bigger
than that, a relay starts to look more attractive, especially since the
automotive world now makes fairly light weight, high current relays
available for very reasonable prices.
>
> Charlie and all,
>
> Thank you to everyone who responded, on the list and in PM !
> Actually my concern is the high amperage in the fuel pumps and the
digital lanes wires. All those electrons flowing to and from the panel
just to keep the engine running, considering the avionics in the
vicinity...
> Maybe relays or contactors for the 20 amp circuits...
> Those injection engines are a bit complicated to manage : 5 switches
to fumble with in addition to the regular master and starter switches
just to start the engine.
> Lots of thinking to simplify the task of the pilot and avoid
forgetting something or manoeuvring the switches in the wrong
sequence...
Is there a down-loadable copy of the installation manual
for your system? The REAL concerns have little to do
with switch ratings, wire sizes or breakers/fuses.
The elegant solution considers failure modes (including
risk of pilot error) . . . this is a system integration
issue . . . a skill seldom demonstrated by folks who
manufacture and market airplane parts.
After FMEA is done, you NEED to know the ENERGY
requirements for each accessory and anticipate the
combinations in which those accessories are needed
after loss of a single accessory for any reason.
This is called LOAD ANALYSIS and it sets the sizes
of alternators, batteries, circuit protection, wires,
and yes . . . switches. Switches are last on the list
of concerns. Many individuals in the OBAM aviation
community get wrapped around the axles of AC vs. DC
ratings, slow vs. fast break mechanisms, etc. etc.
The underlying motivation being "nothing is too
good for my airplane . . . and after all . . .
it IS an airplane . . . everybody knows that
things breaking on airplanes comes with risks
for spiraling out of the sky trailing smoke."
The realities are not nearly so exciting. See
http://tinyurl.com/jfr8zzu
<http://tinyurl.com/jfr8zzu> The bottom line demonstrates that IF your
FMEA is artfully conducted and IF your energy
budgets are KNOWN and MAINTAINED, likelihood of
an electrically induced bad day in the cockpit
is vanishingly low.
Let's pray over the manufacture's data a bit
to see if there's enough data to move your
deliberations forward with confidence.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
At 12:38 PM 1/5/2017, you wrote:
>Bob,
>
>The 912iS installation manual (along with all other manuals for all
>Rotax engines) is available at:
>
><http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/support-topmenu/engine-manuals>http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/support-topmenu/engine-manuals
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
Le 05/01/2017 19:11, Robert L. Nuckolls, III a crit :
>
> The elegant solution considers failure modes (including
> risk of pilot error) . . . this is a system integration
> issue . . . a skill seldom demonstrated by folks who
> manufacture and market airplane parts.
>
> After FMEA is done, you NEED to know the ENERGY
> requirements for each accessory and anticipate the
> combinations in which those accessories are needed
> after loss of a single accessory for any reason.
>
> This is called LOAD ANALYSIS and it sets the sizes
> of alternators, batteries, circuit protection, wires,
> and yes . . . switches. Switches are last on the list
> of concerns.
Hi Bob,
Thank you for responding.
I tried to follow this approach of system integration, and after some
hard thinking we had a 2-day meeting with my partners playing the "what
if" game and establishing the corresponding load analysis.
Thanks Bob B for the link. I would also suggest downloading the
Operator's Manual to have a look at the starting and holding point
sequences. Seems akin to rigging a nuclear sub for dive...
Many opportunities to forget something or doing the wrong manoeuver.
I have some ideas for combining some functions and rendering pilot error
less likely, though it implies more complexity than the rudimentary
circuit proposed by Rotax (with some errors in their schematics).
I would add that the Aeroelectric community is a tremendous help. Peer
review and critique of ideas or architectures are invaluable.
Please Bob and everyone, keep up the good job !
And BTW our two battery, Rotax 914 four-seater is still going strong
after 12 years !
Thank you,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
I'm making some progress on this.
The VPX guys say use a 10K linear pot.
I've determined that with the appropriate timing gear that I'll be getting 3/4
of a revolution total. Which means I don't need a multi-turn pot.
And I just happen to have a 10k pot in the drawer (Alpha 813 B10K). And it's got
a 1.75" shaft (which is very important since that bulkhead is rather thick).
But I can't tell if it's linear or audio taper. At 50% of travel, I'm getting
about 6K ohms.
IIRC, if it's an audio taper 10k pot, at 50% of travel, I would be seeing about
3k.
Does anyone know if this particular pot is linear or audio taper?
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Most audio pots aren't really logarithmic, they're a two or three straight line
approximation. The 25% and 75% travel resistances should enable a better determination,
but the B in the code usually means linear taper.
I'd most definitely use a dedicated servo pot, cheap panel pots wear horribly and
lose contact; not much of a deal if your old amp volume knob goes a bit crackly,
but probably not helpful in your application.
On Jan 5, 2017, at 19:08, donjohnston <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
I'm making some progress on this.
The VPX guys say use a 10K linear pot.
I've determined that with the appropriate timing gear that I'll be getting 3/4
of a revolution total. Which means I don't need a multi-turn pot.
And I just happen to have a 10k pot in the drawer (Alpha 813 B10K). And it's got
a 1.75" shaft (which is very important since that bulkhead is rather thick).
But I can't tell if it's linear or audio taper. At 50% of travel, I'm getting
about 6K ohms.
IIRC, if it's an audio taper 10k pot, at 50% of travel, I would be seeing about
3k.
Does anyone know if this particular pot is linear or audio taper?
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alec(at)alecmyers.com wrote:
> I'd most definitely use a dedicated servo pot
What's a "servo pot"?
This will provide a visual indication of the trim position. Something that I haven't
had before. So if it stops indicating, it's absolutely not a problem.
If it stops rotating, that would be annoying, but not insurmountable.
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| Subject: | Re: Trim position indicator |
Something like this:
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/414/8140-18711.pdf
I had got it in mind that it was part of a feedback mechanism to sense and c
ontrol the trim position. But if it's just a visual indicator...
I don't know the system you're interfacing to but if I were designing someth
ing I'd still use a 10 turn device as it means you don't have to worry about
the angular position of the pot in its mount. I'd run the output of the div
ider to the analog input of a $1 PIC mounted adjacent and have a simple cali
bration procedure to setup the two endpoint voltages. The PIC can output any
analog or digital signal you want.
On Jan 5, 2017, at 19:59, donjohnston <don@velocity-xl.com> wrote:
alec(at)alecmyers.com wrote:
> I'd most definitely use a dedicated servo pot
What's a "servo pot"?
This will provide a visual indication of the trim position. Something that I
haven't had before. So if it stops indicating, it's absolutely not a probl
em. If it stops rotating, that would be annoying, but not insurmountable.
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This will be connected to a VPX. Once connected there's a calibration procedure
to set the start and stop positions of the trim system.
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
At 02:22 PM 1/5/2017, you wrote:
>At 12:38 PM 1/5/2017, you wrote:
>>Bob,
>>
>>The 912iS installation manual (along with all other manuals for all
>>Rotax engines) is available at:
>>
>><http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/support-topmenu/engine-manuals>http://www.rotax-owner.com/en/support-topmenu/engine-manuals
>>
>
> Thanks!
Oh . . . fooey. For all the skills, time and
effort Rotax put into the rest of this product,
the wiring diagrams are . . . well . . .
My teachers held that a schematic should be
all revealing. The architecture, functionality
of each conductor, pin connection and component
should just 'jump off the page' at you. This
philosophy was practiced in every job I've
ever held.
I'm disappointed to find that the published
drawings in the installation manual do not
lend themselves well in this regard.
It would take too much time and perhaps
consultation for me to achieve a functional
understanding of the Rotax system at the
engineer/integrator level.
So, getting back to the original questions
on switches . . . ANYTHING B&C sells in the
way of switches is entirely adequate to
the task. Some of the 12AWG wire called out
is 'overkill' but not harmful.
I wish I could be more helpful but getting
conversant with the designer's intent
using only these drawings is like
looking for a black cat in a coal mine with
a candle.
Bob . . .
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| From: | Roger Sherriff <rogsherriff(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 Elec schematic. |
Hello All,
Sharpen your knives. I am the novice of novices and have strayed well out o
f my expertise and comfort zone and attempted to design an electrical syste
m for my RV8. I have read the electrical bible (thank you Mr. Nuckolls) and
used a combination of figure Z-10/8 and Z-11 as a guide. Attached schemati
cs are a representation of my understanding.
I'd prefer not to have a hot battery bus or add a second alternator. Althou
gh IFR capable, it will be flown VFR or VMC most of the time. The system wi
ll run off a plane power 60A alt with built in OV and Voltage regulation. E
ngine is using 2 PMAG's and mechanical fuel injection. Main battery will pr
obably go in the forward baggage compartment and the emergency battery loca
tion is yet tbd. Probably aft. Some consumers on the busses will use breake
rs and some will use fuses.
The philosophy is to power the essential and emergency busses using the eme
rgency battery during start. Primarily to get the avionics setup without th
e engine running and then protecting against a voltage drop during start. A
fter start it will remain online and all busses are powered by the alternat
or while charging both batt's. Max 75% ALT load in cruise.
Alternator fail- red light - (open emergency buss tie manually. I would lik
e this to happen automatically but don't have the brainpower to design that
yet, maybe later) will leave all busses powered by the main battery. All e
quipment on the main buss is switchable effectively leaving the essential b
uss powered by the main battery and emergency buss powered by the emergency
battery. Following low volt on the main battery (2,5hrs health depending)
the emergency battery powers emergency buss only. Max draw 1,5A so good fo
r at least 3 hours (health depending) from start of alternator failure.
Could I please ask for your expert advice and commentary on my design? Don'
t be polite, there are lives on the line..
[cid:c88e7748-abd5-4055-b5ee-c64311dd7d38]
Thank you in advance. Regards,
Roger.
p.s. I apologise if the schematic symbology details are not 100% correct. S
till have to master the software.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
Le 06/01/2017 17:19, Robert L. Nuckolls, III a crit
> Oh . . . fooey. For all the skills, time and
> effort Rotax put into the rest of this product,
> the wiring diagrams are . . . well . . .
;-)))
They were not good at making diagrams back in the 914 days, but it seems
they didn't improve since then...
I'll try to re-draw a simplified version of their proposed architecture
to help clarify some of my future questions.
>
>
> So, getting back to the original questions
> on switches . . . ANYTHING B&C sells in the
> way of switches is entirely adequate to
> the task.
So can we consider there is no problem bringing the two permanent 10 amp
pump wires and the two 7.5 amp "lane" wires to the panel ?
Thank you for your help, no doubt I'll have many more wiring questions
about this very peculiar engine.
--
Best regards,
Gilles
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| Subject: | Re: RV8 Elec schematic. |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
The wire between the battery contactor and the main bus does not have to be so
big.
The diode in that wire will drop the voltage and it will get hot since it will
carry the full aircraft electrical load.
Depending on where the voltage regulator senses voltage, field or "B" lead,
the battery could be charged at a higher voltage than intended.
The emergency battery might not charge because the charging voltage
will be dropped by the 3 diodes in series, the one in the main feeder,
the one in the bridge rectifier, and the one connected to the top of the emergency
bus.
If the diode in main feeder is eliminated, and if the main bus tie is inadvertently
closed,
the emergency battery will help crank the engine. That is not desired because
heavy
current will flow in small wires and the emergency battery voltage will momentarily
drop.
One of the purposes of the E-Bus switch in Bob N's circuits is to be able to
shut off
the master contactor to conserve energy while still powering essential loads.
If your alternator fails, the master contactor must remain energized to utilize
main battery stored energy.
It is hard to beat Bob's well proven designs.
Attached is a circuit to consider.
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| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
> So can we consider there is no problem bringing the two permanent 10 amp pump
wires and the two 7.5 amp "lane" wires to the panel ?
>
Designing an aircraft is full of compromises. Running always hot wires to the
instrument panel makes the engine circuits more reliable and simpler. On the
other hand, if one of those wires starts smoking or if a forced landing is imminent,
they can not be disconnect from the battery.
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but Houston (5-6) cut the lead to three points late in the third quarter
before Cincinnati tacked on two field goals in the fourth quarter to secure the
win.Rookie Jeremy Hill scored on a 2-yard touchdown run early in the third quarter
after an interception by Ryan Mallett for Cincinnatis only touchdown of
the second half.Mallett struggled in his second career start, finishing with
189 yards passing and often overthrowing open receivers. Houstons only touchdown
came on a 60-yard interception return by Johnathan Joseph in the third quarter.Rookie
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for the second straight game.COLTS 23, JAGUARS 3INDIANAPOLIS (AP) T.Y. Hilton
celebrated the birth of his first child with a 73-yard TD catch, spurring a
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Luck was 21 of 32 for 253 yards with one score, but his streak of consecutive
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BERLIN - Cristiano Ronaldo became the European Championships all-time top scorer by giving Portugal a 1-0 victory over Armenia, while Germany could only beat Gibraltar 4-0 as its World Cup victory hangover continued on Friday. http://www.chinajerseysnfl.net/ (http://www.chinajerseysnfl.net/) .Portugal captain Ronaldo broke the deadlock in the 72nd minute to take his tally across Euro finals and qualifying to 23 goals. Denmarks Jon Dahl Tomasson and Turkeys Hakan Sukur had previously scored 22 goals each.Germany was looking for a high score against Gibraltar, a territory of just 30,000 people which is playing its first qualifying tournament and had already lost 7-0 to both Ireland and Poland in Group D.However, there were whistles from some fans at full-time after watching the World Cup holders labour against a defensively set-up side made up mostly of amateurs.Convincing in Brazil during the summer, Germany had been held to a 1-1 draw by Ireland and beaten 2-0 by Poland in its two previous Euro 2016 qualifiers. It also lost 4-2 to Argentina in a friendly repeat of the World Cup final in September.Elsewhere, Greece slumped to a shock 1-0 defeat at home to the Faroe Islands and Denmark came from behind to beat Serbia 3-1. There were qualifying wins for Poland, Scotland, Romania and Hungary.In London, Teofilo Teo Gutierrez headed in a late goal as Colombia came from behind to beat the United States 2-1 in a friendly.Heres a roundup of action from Fridays Euro 2016 qualifying games:GROUP IRonaldos winner against Armenia meant Portugal stayed one point behind group leader Denmark. The Real Madrid star struck from close range following a goalmouth scramble.Nicklas Bendtner scored twice as Denmark came from a goal down to beat Serbia 3-1 in Belgrade. The match was played in an empty Partizan stadium because of incidents in a qualifier between Serbia and Albania last month. Serbia was penalized by UEFA for pitch skirmishes involving players and fans over an Albanian flag that was flown above the stadium by a dro!
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a winger Zoran Tosic opened the scoring with a low strike from 12 yards (meters)
in the fourth minute.But Bendtner equalized from close range in the 60th before
centerback Simon Kjaer gave the visitors the lead two minutes later by heading
in a free kick from Christian Eriksen. Bendtner made it 3-1 in the 85th.Serbia
coach Dick Advocaat was quoted by UEFAs website: This is our first terrible
match since I became the manager. If someone should be blamed then its me.
And, yes, I will think about resigning.France, which has already qualified as
the host of Euro 2016, drew 1-1 with Albania in Rennes.Albania defender Mergim
Mavraj stunned the hosts with a header in the 40th. But France substitute Antoine
Griezmann salvaged a draw by cutting inside to fire into the bottom corner
in the 73rd.GROUP DThomas Mueller scored twice as Germany got its Euro 2016
qualifying campaign back on track with an unconvincing 4-0 win over Gibraltar.Mueller
opened the scoring in the 12th minute and claimed his second 17 minutes
later. Mario Goetze made it 3-0 in the 38th, before an own goal from Yogan
Santos completed the scoring in the 67th.Germany coach Joachim Loew said beforehand
he wanted a result to reflect his sides status as the World Cup winners
and he started with a very attacking line-up and just three defenders.The home
side dominated the game but found it hard to penetrate the visitors stubborn
defending, especially in the second half.Liam Walker almost scored for Gibraltar
with an audacious effort from the sideline just before the interval, only to
be denied by a great save from Manuel Neuer.Germany remains three points behind
Group D leader Poland, which won 4-0 in Georgia thanks to second half goals
from Kamil Glik, Grzegorz Krychowiak, Sebastian Mila and Arkadiusz Milik.Shaun
Maloneys 75th-minute strike was enough for Scotland to beat Ireland 1-0 in
Glasgow, moving the Scots level on points with Ireland and Germany.GROUP FGreece
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Wayne Rooney and Juan Mata netted first-half goals on Sunday as Manchester United
rolled to a 3-0 victory over fierce rivals Liverpool at Old Trafford, handing
the club its sixth consecutive win in league play. With only 30 miles separating
the cities of Manchester and Liverpool, the clubs are heated foes and
are the two most successful clubs in English football. But they came into Sunday?s
tilt on opposite ends of the form book as United began the day in third place,
while Liverpool started things in ninth position. The visitors had the better
of the play for the opening few minutes as Raheem Sterling got in behind
the United defense after 12 minutes, but his weak strike was easily handled by
United goalkeeper David de Gea. Less than a minute later, however, the home
side opened the scoring when Antonio Valencia got free down the right flank and
cut it back to an on- rushing Rooney, who blasted it low into the right corner,
leaving Liverpool goalkeeper Brad Jones with no chance for a save. The Red
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and the ball came to Mata, who nodded it home at the back post for the 2-0 lead.
But the goal was not without some controversy as Van Persie?s flicked pass
appeared to leave Mata in an offside position as Red Devils went into the intermission
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he Panthers 4 minutes into the third. "All four lines are putting the puck in the
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was introduced as the starting goalie. But after Thornton made it 5-2 just more
than 8 minutes into the third period, they derisively chanted, "Thomas! Thomas!"
"I didnt really hear it too much," Thomas said. "There were really not a
lot of feelings." Thomas played against the Bruins for the first time on Oct.
17 in Bostons 3-2 win at Florida. He travelled with the Panthers to Boston but
did not play Nov. 7 in the Bruins 4-1 victory. For the second consecutive game,
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first period. On Monday night, Boston took 18 of the first 20 shots in a 6-3 win
over the New York Islanders. Lucic gave the Bruins a 1-0 lead at 7:41 of the
first period on a rebound after Thomas stopped Jarome Iginlas shot from the
right circle. Lucic was initially credited with the second goal less than 8 minutes
later when Charas 45-foot shot from the right appeared to hit him before
bouncing over Thomas and trickling into the net. The scoring was changed when
it was determined that the puck hit Thomas glove, not Lucic. But that didnt stop
a few spectators from throwing hats on the ice early in the second, thinking
Lucic had completed a hat trick when he scored his 15th of the season on a
short backhand. Smith made it 4-0 with his team-leading 18th goal at 14:54 of
the second on a pass across the slot from Soderberg. He beat Thomas to the open
side of the net. "That wasnt (Thomas) best game," Panthers coach Peter Horachek
said, "but I dont think there were a lot of solid efforts by many of the players."
After Boyes ruined Tuukka Rasks bid for his fourth shutout in 13 decisions,
Kulikov made it 4-2. His goal ended an 0-for-43 power-play drought for
the Panthers over their previous 13 games and the first two periods Tuesday. Rask
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At this point, it doesnt sound like Luke Richardson has any interest in becoming
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- would be able to help the Senators with their defensive issues as an assistant
coach down the road. But speaking to him on TSN 1200 Tuesday, it sounds
like the 44-year-old is waiting for the right opportunity to become a head
coach in the NHL. Richardson had spent three years as an assistant in Ottawa,
but in the spring of 2012 he had a conversation with general manager Bryan Murray
about his coaching future. So when the Binghamton job opened up after Kurt
Kleinendorst stepped aside, he knew that was the career path he wanted to pursue.
"It was great getting the experience those first few years kind of being
the part-time guy, the upstairs guy and the practice guy with the Senators. But
when I had that chance to become a head coach I told Bryan, Thats what I want
to be. I want to be a head coach. Its not that I think Im better than anyone
else or better than an assistant coachs job, I just feel more comfortable in
that role and I like it," Richardson said on Tuesday. Richardson says he currently
has no aspirations to leave his post in Binghamton, where he has guided the
club to a first-place position in the AHLs East Division. "Im really happy
to be here. And I take a lot of pride trying to help these young players in the
organization. So my answer is that Im happy to be here and Im signed for another
year," added Richardson. Of course, things could change if an NHL head coaching
job opened up in the summer. A couple of teams - like Buffalo and Florida
- are currently working with interim head coaches and have made no guarantees
about who will be behind their bench next season. Add in the usual number of
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to consider in the summer. But he was quick to point out the Binghamton
job off!
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ANN ARBOR, Mich. Cheap Jerseys Fans (http://www.cheapjerseysfans.co/) . -- Nik Stauskas and Glenn Robinson III are skipping their last two seasons at Michigan to enter the NBA draft and chase a dream theyve had since they were kids. Stauskas, who is from Mississauga, Ontario, set his sights on joining in the worlds best basketball league when he started playing the game in an organized way at the age of 7. "From that point on, I pretty much committed myself to doing whatever it took to get to this point," he said. "I dont think many Canadian kids had that same dream. I think most of them were trying to go to the NHL, but I think the rise of Canadian basketball has been unbelievable. You see a lot of kids now making that jump from Canada and Im glad to be a part of that group." Robinson, meanwhile, might have looked at the league a little earlier because his father -- nicknamed "Big Dog" -- was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1994 NBA draft. "My dad has been through this whole process, so that was definitely a big help," he said. "He stayed an extra year in college when he thought he wasnt ready." Robinson, who is from St. John, Ind., said the NBAs undergraduate advisory committee informed him he would be a first-round pick if he entered the draft and he chose to make the leap Monday night. Stauskas wouldnt say what he was told, but he obviously liked the feedback. "I heard from the advisory board in the middle of last week, a couple days after that I really decided," he said. "The information I got from them was kind of what I wanted to hear." Mitch McGary has not announced his future plans. "Mitch is still gathering information," coach John Beilein said. "He has all the way until the 27th to make a decision, so hes looking at all the possibilities right now." McGary was not made available for interviews after his teammates had a news conference. He turned down a chance to enter the draft last year as a likely first-round pick and ended up having back surgery last season, putting his standing as an NBA pro!
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Joe Mauer hit a two-run double that just missed reaching the seats and Kevin Correia pitched a smooth six innings to help the Minnesota Twins beat the Chicago White Sox for the third straight game, 4-3 on Saturday. Wholesale China Jerseys (http://www.cnjerseystousacheap.com/) . Glen Perkins pitched another tenuous ninth inning but got his 19th save in 22 tries after giving up two runs to blow one the night before. Adam Eaton led off with a triple and scored on Gordon Beckhams sacrifice fly. Pinch-hitter Paul Konerko then smacked a single up the middle, but Perkins struck out Jose Abreu and Adam Dunn to end it and punctuated the final swing and miss with a big pump of his left arm. With the Twins trailing 2-1, Mauers drive in the fifth inning soared over left fielder Alejandro De Aza and landed about halfway up the wall. Kendrys Morales hit the next pitch for an RBI single against Andre Rienzo (4-5), who lost his fifth straight start. Correia (4-8) gave up five runs or more in five of his first 12 starts, sliding toward replacement in the rotation, but the 33-year-old right-hander has pitched superbly in three turns since. In 18 innings, Correia has allowed a total of two earned runs and walked only four. He surrendered his share of sharp drives on this picture-perfect first-day-of-summer afternoon, but the defence behind him didnt do him any favours. Centre fielder Sam Fuld tried to dive for a two-out sinking liner by Conor Gillaspie in the first inning, but the ball skipped in front of and past him for a triple and Abreu followed with an RBI single. Then third baseman Eduardo Escobar bungled a routine ground ball by letting it slide between his legs to start the second inning. The White Sox only needed a single, a walk and a two-out hit-by-pitch to produce the unearned run. Correias 3-1 bases-loaded fastball bounced off Beckhams elbow and hit catcher Kurt Suzuki in the throat, but he was all right to stay in the game. Escobar committed a second error on a similar play the next inning, but!
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| Subject: | hab asssignment with Triple-A Louisville. |
| From: | "blueberryjerry" <blueberryjerry0822(at)hotmail.com> |
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the cutter away but it ran up a bit. If that ball is where I want it to be its a groundball." Suzukis sacrifice fly put the Yankees ahead, Alex Rodriguez drove in another run with a spinning grounder to the left of second base that shortstop Brandon Crawford gloved with a nifty grab, and Cano tacked on a run when he sliced a single the opposite way through a huge hole between shortstop and third base. Nunez connected in the fourth on the first pitch he saw from Vogelsong for his second homer this season. Vogelsong was lifted after five innings. He allowed five runs and five hits in losing for the fourth time in five starts. Sandoval, the Giants third baseman, was lifted for defence before the start of the bottom of the eighth because his back tightened up. He is day to day. NOTES: Nova pitched a three-hit shutout against Baltimore on Aug. 31. ... Girardi said that while C Austin Romine (concussion) was cleared to play, he may not return this season because he still feels dizzy after working out. ... Giants manager Bruce Bochy visited Monument Park. ... Giants 2B Joaquin Arias will miss several games with a pulled left hamstring. Arias was injured Friday night in the seventh inning. ... The Yankees are urging fans to be in their seats for Sundays game before 12:30 p.m. for the start of the ceremony honouring Rivera. .... Giants RHP Yusmeiro Petit (4-0) faces LHP Andy Pettitte (10-10), who will be making his final regular-season start at Yankee Stadium. Cheap NFL Jerseys (http://www.cheapjerseysstitchedshop.com/) Wholesale Jerseys (http://www.wholesalejerseyssafestore.com/) Wholesale NFL Jerseys (http://www.wholesalechinastitchedjerseys.com/) Jerseys From China (http://www.wholesalenflcheapjerseyschina.us.com/) Wholesale NFL Jerseys (http://www.chinanflonlinejerseys.com/) Cheap NFL Jerseys (http://www.cheapsoccerjerseyschinaonline.com/) Cheap Jerseys (http://www.cheapnbajerseyschinastore.com/) ' ' '
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| Subject: | ew Schiestel answered for the Bulldogs (32-34-7). The |
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| From: | "blueberryjerry" <blueberryjerry0822(at)hotmail.com> |
MADRID, Spain -- Barcelona defender Dani Alves has received an outpouring of support for his response to a racist taunt during a game, while Villarreal issued a lifetime ban to the season-ticket holder who threw a banana at him. China Jerseys (http://www.wholesalenflcheapjerseyschina.us.com/) . Alves, who is black, was about to take a corner in Sundays 3-2 win at Villarreals El Madrigal Stadium when a banana landed on the pitch in front of him. The Brazil international picked it up, peeled it and ate some of it before throwing the rest aside. "Villarreal deeply regrets and condemns the incident that happened," Villarreal said in a statement on Monday. "The club has already identified the (culprit) and has decided to withdraw his season tickets, permanently." After the match, Alves said humour was the best way to combat racism in sport. That sentiment has led fellow football players, officials and even political figures from around the globe to respond with solidarity by picturing themselves eating a banana. Barcelona teammate Neymar posted a photo of himself on Instagram holding a peeled banana alongside his son, who was holding a doll that resembled a banana. Fellow Brazil teammates Hulk and Fred also lent support via their social media accounts. Argentina striker Sergio Aguero and Brazil womens striker Marta both posed for photos while biting into bananas, while former Brazil international Roberto Carlos also posted an internet photo of himself with the fruit. "We have suffered this in Spain for some time," Alves said Sunday. "You have to take it with a dose of humour. We arent going to change things easily. If you dont give it importance, they dont achieve their objective." Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, who has been actively condemning racist acts in Brazilian football, also expressed her support to Alves, while Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi and Italy national team coach Cesare Prandelli also shared a banana in a photograph. "The player had a daring and strong response to racism in sport,"!
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f wrote on her official Twitter account. "Confronted by something that unfortunately has become too common in stadiums, Alves had attitude." Rousseff praised Neymar for getting behind his teammate and reiterated that Brazil will "raise the flag against racial discrimination" during the World Cup. FIFA President Sepp Blatter also commented on Twitter, saying that "what (Alves) tolerated last night is an outrage." He added that there "will be zero tolerance" at the World Cup. The match referee on Sunday included the 75th-minute incident in his match report, so Villarreal could face a fine. "Our club would like to express its firm commitment to promoting respect, equality, sportsmanship and fair play both on and off the field and our absolute rejection of any act that is contrary to these principles, such as violence, discrimination, racism and xenophobia," Villarreal added in its statement. Alves has often been subjected to racist taunts and called fighting racism "a lost war" in January 2013 after segments of Real Madrids fans abused him with monkey chants during a match. Madrid defender Marcelo, who is also Brazilian, was also recently greeted with monkey chants by a section of Atletico Madrid fans this season. Former Barcelona striker Samuel Etoo was convinced not to walk off at Zaragoza in 2006 after fans berated the Cameroon striker with racist chants. Two years earlier, Spain fans at Madrids Santiago Bernabeu Stadium infamously greeted Englands black players with monkey chants during an international friendly match. Jerseys From China (http://www.wholesalenflcheapjerseyschina.us.com/) . Dallas (2-0-1) sits atop the Western Conference with an MLS-best seven points. Castillo opened the scoring in the 71st minute off a Mauro Diaz set piece, and Watson outran defender Tony Lochhead on a long ball and then juked goalkeeper Ian Kennedy for the eventual game-winner in the 78th minute. Jerseys China (http://www.wholesalenflcheapjerseyschina.us.com/) .J. -- Pitcher Carl Pavano is retiring after 14 major leagu!
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ds the playoffs. We didnt get the job done tonight." The IceCaps guaranteed themselves a playoff spot after winning Tuesdays game. Andrighetto scored the shootout winner on a quick forehand-to-backhand move before slipping the puck in behind IceCaps netminder Tyler Beskorowany. Gabriel Dumont also scored in the shootout for the Bulldogs. John Albert, Kyle MacKinnon and Adam Lowry scored in regulation for the St. Johns IceCaps (43-22-7). Greg Pateryn, Mike Blunden and Drew Schiestel answered for the Bulldogs (32-34-7). The IceCaps scored first, 1:59 into the game, when Albert ripped a wrist shot from the left faceoff dot to score high glove side. The Bulldogs equalized on a Pateryn slapshot, through a sprawled-out Beskorowany on the powerplay at the 13:41 mark of the first period. MacKinnon gave the IceCaps a 2-1 lead when he surprised the Bulldogs and ripped a quick wristshot high glove with 4:25 left in the first. Lowry backhanded home a rebound on the doorstep for St. Johns at the 17:39 mark of the second period to make it a 3-1 game. Seventeen seconds later, Schiestl pulled the Bulldogs within one from the slot with a wrist shot high glove. Blunden tipped home a puck while going to the net at the 12:54 mark of the third period, to tie the game. Beskorowany made 37 saves, and saved two of four shots in the shootout. Cheap NFL Jerseys (http://www.cheapjerseysstitchedshop.com/) Wholesale Jerseys (http://www.wholesalejerseyssafestore.com/) Wholesale NFL Jerseys (http://www.wholesalechinastitchedjerseys.com/) Jerseys From China (http://www.wholesalenflcheapjerseyschina.us.com/) Wholesale NFL Jerseys (http://www.chinanflonlinejerseys.com/) Cheap NFL Jerseys (http://www.cheapsoccerjerseyschinaonline.com/) Cheap Jerseys (http://www.cheapnbajerseyschinastore.com/) ' ' '
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| Subject: | from behind (Fedor Tyutin, CBJ)March 20, 20 |
| From: | "blueberryjerry" <blueberryjerry0822(at)hotmail.com> |
Morocco was thrown out of the 2015 African Cup of Nations and dumped as the host Tuesday after refusing to commit to the scheduled dates early next year because of fears over Ebola. Matthias Ginter Jersey (http://www.dortmundfcshop.com/c-19-matthias-ginter-fc-borussia-dortmund-jersey.aspx) .The tournament in January and February will now have a new host country only two months before kickoff, the Confederation of African Football said after an emergency meeting at its Cairo headquarters.CAF didnt announce the replacement host, but said it had received some applications.These applications are currently under review, and the executive committee will finalize the selection of the successful national association shortly, the African football body said in a statement.It didnt name any of the candidates.South Africa, Egypt, Sudan and Ghana have all already indicated they are unwilling to replace Morocco, partly because of Ebola. Nigeria, Angola and Gabon have also been mentioned as possible stand-in hosts.The decisions by CAF were taken at a meeting that was forced by Moroccos refusal to hold the tournament on the planned dates of Jan. 17-Feb. 8 because of the threat of the spread of Ebola. The disease has killed about 5,000 people in West Africa, and Morocco wanted the 16-team soccer event postponed until 2016 because of fears the deadly virus would arrive with supporters and other travellers.CAF repeatedly refused Moroccos request to postpone the African Cup, the bodys main money-earning tournament, and gave the country until Saturday to commit to the planned dates. Morocco declined again.The Royal Moroccan Football Federation reiterated its refusal to hold the competition on the dates indicated, CAF said Tuesday. Therefore having firmly and unanimously notified ... its decision to keep the competition on the dates indicated, the executive committee confirmed that the Africa Cup of Nations 2015 will not take place in Morocco.CAFs executive committee also decided that the national team of Morocco is automatic!
ally dis
qualified because of its refusal to host. CAF will decide on further punishments
for Morocco for breaching its contract as host, it said.CAF must now decide
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on the new host would be made shortly, CAF said, but it didnt give a solid timeframe.It
also will have to re-schedule the final draw for the tournament, and
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| Subject: | Author: Blueberry |
| From: | "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> |
Dear Mr Dralle
Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry'
Regards: John
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| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | Rob Turk <matronics(at)rtist.nl> |
It seems part of the Matronics subscriber list has been leaked or
harvested a number of years ago, and this results in spam every now and
then. I'm not getting any spam from Blueberry so it's not coming through
the Matronics site itself. But I do get spam from other sources. As I
use a unique email address for Matronics, I can tell that that address
has been leaked or harvested at some point. Our addresses are now in
spammer databases and there's very little you can do about it. Matt
can't help, Bob can't help.
All you can do is use unique email addresses per subscription, and if
the spam level becomes annoying for that address, just toss that email
address and use a new one. I have my own domain, so it's just a matter
of setting up a new alias.
Rob
On 1/7/2017 9:34 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote:
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> Dear Mr Dralle
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> Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry'
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> Regards: John
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> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for a month
or two and I'm getting them.
And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server judging by
the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing all that information.
On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:22, Rob Turk wrote:
It seems part of the Matronics subscriber list has been leaked or harvested a number
of years ago, and this results in spam every now and then. I'm not getting
any spam from Blueberry so it's not coming through the Matronics site itself.
But I do get spam from other sources. As I use a unique email address for Matronics,
I can tell that that address has been leaked or harvested at some point.
Our addresses are now in spammer databases and there's very little you can
do about it. Matt can't help, Bob can't help.
All you can do is use unique email addresses per subscription, and if the spam
level becomes annoying for that address, just toss that email address and use
a new one. I have my own domain, so it's just a matter of setting up a new alias.
Rob
> On 1/7/2017 9:34 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote:
>
> Dear Mr Dralle
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> Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry'
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> Regards: John
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> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as proof it's c
oming brought the server:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821
On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers wrote:
Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for a mon
th or two and I'm getting them.
And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server judgin
g by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing all that in
formation.
On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:22, Rob Turk wrote:
It seems part of the Matronics subscriber list has been leaked or harvested a
number of years ago, and this results in spam every now and then. I'm not g
etting any spam from Blueberry so it's not coming through the Matronics site
itself. But I do get spam from other sources. As I use a unique email addre
ss for Matronics, I can tell that that address has been leaked or harvested a
t some point. Our addresses are now in spammer databases and there's very li
ttle you can do about it. Matt can't help, Bob can't help.
All you can do is use unique email addresses per subscription, and if the sp
am level becomes annoying for that address, just toss that email address and
use a new one. I have my own domain, so it's just a matter of setting up a n
ew alias.
Rob
> On 1/7/2017 9:34 AM, JOHN TIPTON wrote:
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> Dear Mr Dralle
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> Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueb
erry'
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> Regards: John
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| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | Rob Turk <matronics(at)rtist.nl> |
I guess my provider filters it as spam then, as I have zero entries for
Blueberry anywhere in my mails.
On 1/7/2017 12:48 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
> In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as proof
> it's coming brought the server:
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821
>
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers > wrote:
>
> Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for
> a month or two and I'm getting them.
>
> And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server
> judging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing
> all that information.
>
>
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
>> So, getting back to the original questions
>> on switches . . . ANYTHING B&C sells in the
>> way of switches is entirely adequate to
>> the task.
>
>So can we consider there is no problem bringing the two permanent 10
>amp pump wires and the two 7.5 amp "lane" wires to the panel ?
Sure . . . I wouldn't add relays to the
system to keep panel currents low. This
just drives up parts count and offers
little if any benefit.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | John Tipton <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> |
Hi Rob
Are you saying that when you view they 'aeroelectric list forum' you do not s
ee the posts from 'blueberryjerry' either
John
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> On 7 Jan 2017, at 01:04 pm, Rob Turk wrote:
>
> I guess my provider filters it as spam then, as I have zero entries for Bl
ueberry anywhere in my mails.
>
>> On 1/7/2017 12:48 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
>> In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as proof it'
s coming brought the server:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers wrote:
>>
>> Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber for a m
onth or two and I'm getting them.
>>
>> And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list server jud
ging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother spoofing all that
information.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Sebastien <cluros(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
Same question about the courtesy car app spam.
Sebastien
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 00:34, JOHN TIPTON wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr Dralle
>
> Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from 'Blueberry'
>
> Regards: John
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <kboatright1(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
I've been receiving those too, with Aeroelectric headers...
-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN TIPTON
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 3:34 AM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Author: Blueberry
Dear Mr Dralle
Is anything being done about the non relevant emails emanating from
'Blueberry'
Regards: John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464823#464823
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | Rob Turk <matronics(at)rtist.nl> |
Hi John,
I never visit the forum online, I receive the emails in my inbox. No
trace of any blueberry or related sender there.
Rob
On 1/7/2017 3:26 PM, John Tipton wrote:
> Hi Rob
>
> Are you saying that when you view they 'aeroelectric list forum' you
> do not see the posts from 'blueberryjerry' either
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> ----x--O--x----
>
> On 7 Jan 2017, at 01:04 pm, Rob Turk > wrote:
>
>> I guess my provider filters it as spam then, as I have zero entries
>> for Blueberry anywhere in my mails.
>>
>> On 1/7/2017 12:48 PM, Alec Myers wrote:
>>> In fact here's the archived spam on the list server website, as
>>> proof it's coming brought the server:
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464821#464821
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:45, Alec Myers >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Beg to differ, Rob. It's very recent - i've only been a subscriber
>>> for a month or two and I'm getting them.
>>>
>>> And it's 99% certain it's all coming directly through the list
>>> server judging by the headers and signature. No spammer would bother
>>> spoofing all that information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
/Le 07/01/2017 14:49, Robert L. Nuckolls, III a crit ://
/
>> /
>> So can we consider there is no problem bringing the two permanent 10
>> amp pump wires and the two 7.5 amp "lane" wires to the panel ?
>> /
> /
> Sure . . . I wouldn't add relays to the
> system to keep panel currents low. This
> just drives up parts count and offers
> little if any benefit./
Bob and all,
Thank you.
Attached is a drawing of how I understand the Rotax schematics. Hope
it'll get through.
At least it helps me better understand the starting sequence (5 switches
in addition to the master switches and start button).
Please feel free to comment and point me to errors.
Thanks for everything,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> |
So you think 'blueberryjerry' is a member, however if this was moderated more efficiently
this would have been picked up sooner, i don't think the fund raising/charity
thing has anything to do with it
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464850#464850
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:47 PM, JOHN TIPTON
wrote:
> jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com>
>
> So you think 'blueberryjerry' is a member, however if this was moderated
> more efficiently this would have been picked up sooner, i don't think the
> fund raising/charity thing has anything to do with it
>
I'll assume you're referring to my recent post, though I can't tell for
sure since I get the list via email and if you don't quote at least part of
the post you're responding to, none of us on the email server can tell who
you're responding to.
My point is that if all you do is suck from the teat, you've no right to
complain about what the cow eats. (In case you've never been outside the
city limits, that's where milk actually comes from.)
The fund raiser isn't a charity. It's intended to help Matt cover his
expenses running this, and a lot of other lists/forums. In case you haven't
noticed, there's no advertising in these lists or the forums; not even for
the products that Matt produces and sells.
If you think about it, a handful of spam emails is noteworthy only because
of its rarity here. Kinda like the news media focusing on every a/c crash,
when thousands of car crashes happen every day.
You can't post here without being a member. I can testify to that, because
I've accidentally tried to post from one of my other email addresses in the
past, and I just tested it again a few minutes ago.
See below for the response from Matt's server.
Charlie
quote:
Matronics Email Lists
3:05 PM (7 minutes ago)
Reply
to me
>-------------------
>---
>--- "Poster: xxxxxxxxxxxx(my other email address)
>--- "Subject: test from non member address"
>---
>--- Your message was not posted to the AeroElectric-List because the
>--- poster is not a member of any Email List on the Matronics Email
>--- System.
>---
>--- Note that this check can be triggered in some cases where your
>--- your message's From: address isn't an *exact* match to the email
>--- address that is subscribed. An example of this might be where
>--- you are subscribed to a List as:
>---
>--- "joe(at)internet.com"
>---
>--- but your email message's From: line shows your address as:
>---
>--- "joe(at)email.internet.com"
>---
>--- While these may be functionally the same email address, there is
>--- no way for the receiving email system to determine that they are
>--- in fact actually the same address.
>---
>--- To ressolve this issue, please either change your email
>--- applications's configuration so that your From: line matches the
>--- email address you have subscribed as, or go to the Subscription
>--- Web Site and unsubscribe your old email address an subscribe
>--- your actual email address.
>---
>--- The Matronics Email List Subscription Web Page can be found at:
>---
>--- http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
>---
>---
>--- Your message contained the following headers:
>---
>--- > From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>--- > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 15:05:41 -0600
>--- > Subject: test from non member address
>--- > To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
>---
>-------------------
unquote
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Return of the Rotax 912/914 PM alternator |
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
Hi all,
From time to time someone raises the Rotax 912/914 alternator subject.
Maybe some here will remember that many moons ago we conducted an
in-depth study of the Rotax alternator and voltage regulator electrical
and thermal performance :
http://contrails.free.fr/elec_ducati_en.php
Two days ago I paid a visit to the electricity lab where we performed
our tests 13 years ago and gess what, there lay "my" alternator, among
other DC machines, dynamos and motors.
The alternator is now back in my garage again, ready for any additional
(static) tests...
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> |
So: 'blueberryjerry' is a member, but no-one can suspend/block his posts
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464853#464853
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 1/7/2017 3:32 PM, JOHN TIPTON wrote:
>
> So: 'blueberryjerry' is a member, but no-one can suspend/block his posts
>
Sure. You can. Just mark his emails as spam in your email client.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912iS questions |
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
/Le 07/01/2017 20:29, GTH a crit :
/
> /
> Please feel free to comment and point me to errors./
Hi all,
Sorry, I just found a mistake : the starter contactor was misplaced ;-(
Here is a more correct version.
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
Hey guys,
I don't know the details, but these messages are being posted on the forum.
Not sure if they are being posted from a hijacked email address or they're being
posted through email.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464857#464857
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/matronics_871.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
Hey guys,
These messages are appearing on the forum as well.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464858#464858
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/matronics_118.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Please, just let it go.
If you must tell someone; tell Matt, to be sure he's seen it. The rest
of us know that posts to the email list go to the forum, and also that
posts to the forum go to the list.
We've gotten more spam from legit list members the last couple of days,
than from the spammer. :-)
Charlie
On 1/7/2017 9:17 PM, donjohnston wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> These messages are appearing on the forum as well.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GTH <gilles.thesee(at)free.fr> |
| Subject: | Relay failure modes |
Hi all,
Is there such a thing as a typical, or most likely relay failure mode ?
For instance "failure to operate when the coil is energized",
"uncommanded contact opening", etc. ? We are speaking of "ordinary" relays.
Let's say we have a load permanently connected to the normally closed
contacts, and the relay is occasionally energized to open the circuit.
Is failure likeliness on the same order as that of the contacts of a
switch, for instance ? Or does such a relay significantly impair the
circuit reliability vs an ordinary switch ?
Thanks in advance for any facts or opinions,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
Hello Charlie
>From the way you are bashing John and other people who are complaining about the
spam, it seems you are defending the spammer himself.
They are just asking for Matt to take care of this spam, we all recognise the utility
of this list and Matt's work.
Like you recommend to others, just let it go.
Hit the delete key not only when you receive the spam but also when you receive
the complaints about the spam.
End of rant!
Let's talk about Electrics
Cheers
Carlos
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 08/01/2017, s 03:42, Charlie England escreveu:
>
> Please, just let it go.
>
> If you must tell someone; tell Matt, to be sure he's seen it. The rest of us
know that posts to the email list go to the forum, and also that posts to the
forum go to the list.
>
> We've gotten more spam from legit list members the last couple of days, than
from the spammer. :-)
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 1/7/2017 9:17 PM, donjohnston wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> These messages are appearing on the forum as well.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
Good morning guys
I am still doing the electrical installation of my bird, and sometimes I turn on
the Master Switch to check if everything is working well with the last installed
critter.
This time, after finishing the wiring of an electronic Carbon Monoxide detector,
I turned On the Master (together with the Main Alt field) to check if the CO
alarm 2-colour Led would lit as advertised, first a blinking green and after
2 minutes the steady green.
All went well, except that I forgot to turn Off the Master (and Alt field), and
they kept On for perhaps 15 or 20 minutes, while I was working on the Engine
baffles...
Then, I noticed that the Main Alternator was really hot to the touch, which reminded
me to turn Off the Master switch.
Long story to ask the question: is this normal? If the Master switch (and the Alt
field switch) is On for some time, even with the engine Off, the Alt gets that
hot?
Why?
Carlos
P.S. - perhaps you'll need some more information about my electric system architecture...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hot alternator |
| From: | C&K <yellowduckduo(at)gmail.com> |
It is normal for an older internally regulated 40 amp nippondenso. They
aren't "smart enough" to sense rotation so they draw a couple of amps
into the field coil when stopped and get noticeably warm.
Ken
On 08/01/2017 6:08 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>
> Good morning guys
>
> I am still doing the electrical installation of my bird, and sometimes I turn
on the Master Switch to check if everything is working well with the last installed
critter.
>
> This time, after finishing the wiring of an electronic Carbon Monoxide detector,
I turned On the Master (together with the Main Alt field) to check if the
CO alarm 2-colour Led would lit as advertised, first a blinking green and after
2 minutes the steady green.
> All went well, except that I forgot to turn Off the Master (and Alt field), and
they kept On for perhaps 15 or 20 minutes, while I was working on the Engine
baffles...
>
> Then, I noticed that the Main Alternator was really hot to the touch, which reminded
me to turn Off the Master switch.
>
> Long story to ask the question: is this normal? If the Master switch (and the
Alt field switch) is On for some time, even with the engine Off, the Alt gets
that hot?
>
> Why?
>
> Carlos
>
> P.S. - perhaps you'll need some more information about my electric system architecture...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
[quote="ceengland7(at)gmail.com"]Please, just let it go.
If you must tell someone; tell Matt, to be sure he's seen it. The rest
of us know that posts to the email list go to the forum, and also that
posts to the forum go to the list.
We've gotten more spam from legit list members the last couple of days,
than from the spammer. :-)
Charlie
On 1/7/2017 9:17 PM, donjohnston wrote:
[quote]
Hey dude,
I was just trying to help. I saw all this talk about email and figured I would
mention that it was also on the forum.
Sorry if my attempt to help bothered you. I won't make that mistake again.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464865#464865
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
| From: | Chuck Birdsall <cbirdsall6(at)cox.net> |
My experience:
Most common relay failure mode by far is failure to "set" - whether by mechanical
or electrical failure inside the relay, the contacts fail to open or close
as designed when current is applied to the coil. Often begins manifesting itself
as intermittent operation (sometimes works, sometimes not).
Second to that is not an actual relay failure, but a failure in the installation.
The result is the same (failure of the relay to actuate), but the cause is
usually a wiring or mechanical fault introduced by the person that installed it.
Bad soldering, incorrectly terminated wires, insufficient ground, not securing
plug-in type relays, etc. Also often begins with intermittent operation.
Third and low in percentage of failures would be failure of the relay to "reset"
after the coil current was removed (stuck "on").
Can't say as I've ever seen a relay actuate without input to the coil. Whenever
I've run across a relay that's actuating when it's not supposed to be, it's always
been a fault in the controlling circuit. I suppose it's possible under high
g or heavy vibration to mechanically move the contacts.
Chuck
On Jan 8, 2017, at 4:03 AM, GTH wrote:
Hi all,
Is there such a thing as a typical, or most likely relay failure mode ?
For instance "failure to operate when the coil is energized", "uncommanded contact
opening", etc. ? We are speaking of "ordinary" relays.
Let's say we have a load permanently connected to the normally closed contacts,
and the relay is occasionally energized to open the circuit. Is failure likeliness
on the same order as that of the contacts of a switch, for instance ? Or
does such a relay significantly impair the circuit reliability vs an ordinary
switch ?
Thanks in advance for any facts or opinions,
--
Best regards,
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Author: Blueberry |
| From: | "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> |
Please, just let it go.
If you must tell someone; tell Matt, to be sure he's seen it.
- - - - -
Well, I guess that brings us full circle: if you see the original post it was addressed
only to 'Matt' (but silence)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464868#464868
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> |
| Subject: | Re: Hot alternator |
Ken
Mine is also internally regulated but is an all new PlanePower 60A
CT
Enviado do meu iPhone
No dia 08/01/2017, s 12:37, C&K escreveu:
>
> It is normal for an older internally regulated 40 amp nippondenso. They aren't
"smart enough" to sense rotation so they draw a couple of amps into the field
coil when stopped and get noticeably warm.
> Ken
>
>> On 08/01/2017 6:08 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
>>
>> Good morning guys
>>
>> I am still doing the electrical installation of my bird, and sometimes I turn
on the Master Switch to check if everything is working well with the last installed
critter.
>>
>> This time, after finishing the wiring of an electronic Carbon Monoxide detector,
I turned On the Master (together with the Main Alt field) to check if the
CO alarm 2-colour Led would lit as advertised, first a blinking green and after
2 minutes the steady green.
>> All went well, except that I forgot to turn Off the Master (and Alt field),
and they kept On for perhaps 15 or 20 minutes, while I was working on the Engine
baffles...
>>
>> Then, I noticed that the Main Alternator was really hot to the touch, which
reminded me to turn Off the Master switch.
>>
>> Long story to ask the question: is this normal? If the Master switch (and the
Alt field switch) is On for some time, even with the engine Off, the Alt gets
that hot?
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> P.S. - perhaps you'll need some more information about my electric system architecture...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hot alternator |
My PlanePower has been hot enough to leave a blister. After some cursing,
I got in the habit of pulling the field breaker if I have the battery on
for any length of time.
The regulator is trying in vain to raise the output voltage. I assume it
runs as much current as it can through the field, but of course it gets no
results.
--Dave
On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
>
> Ken
>
> Mine is also internally regulated but is an all new PlanePower 60A
>
> CT
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
> No dia 08/01/2017, =C3-s 12:37, C&K escreveu:
>
> >
> > It is normal for an older internally regulated 40 amp nippondenso. They
> aren't "smart enough" to sense rotation so they draw a couple of amps int
o
> the field coil when stopped and get noticeably warm.
> > Ken
> >
> >> On 08/01/2017 6:08 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
> trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt>
> >>
> >> Good morning guys
> >>
> >> I am still doing the electrical installation of my bird, and sometimes
> I turn on the Master Switch to check if everything is working well with t
he
> last installed critter.
> >>
> >> This time, after finishing the wiring of an electronic Carbon Monoxide
> detector, I turned On the Master (together with the Main Alt field) to
> check if the CO alarm 2-colour Led would lit as advertised, first a
> blinking green and after 2 minutes the steady green.
> >> All went well, except that I forgot to turn Off the Master (and Alt
> field), and they kept On for perhaps 15 or 20 minutes, while I was workin
g
> on the Engine baffles...
> >>
> >> Then, I noticed that the Main Alternator was really hot to the touch,
> which reminded me to turn Off the Master switch.
> >>
> >> Long story to ask the question: is this normal? If the Master switch
> (and the Alt field switch) is On for some time, even with the engine Off,
> the Alt gets that hot?
> >>
> >> Why?
> >>
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> P.S. - perhaps you'll need some more information about my electric
> system architecture...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
===========
===========
===========
===========
===========
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hot alternator |
And there's no cooling airflow (does it have a shaft mounted fan? That's not
turning)
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 9:36 AM, David Saylor wrote:
>
> My PlanePower has been hot enough to leave a blister. After some cursing
, I got in the habit of pulling the field breaker if I have the battery on f
or any length of time.
>
> The regulator is trying in vain to raise the output voltage. I assume it r
uns as much current as it can through the field, but of course it gets no re
sults.
>
> --Dave
>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Carlos Trigo wrot
e:
.pt>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Mine is also internally regulated but is an all new PlanePower 60A
>>
>> CT
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>> No dia 08/01/2017, =C3-s 12:37, C&K escreveu:
>>
>> >
>> > It is normal for an older internally regulated 40 amp nippondenso. They
aren't "smart enough" to sense rotation so they draw a couple of amps into t
he field coil when stopped and get noticeably warm.
>> > Ken
>> >
>> >> On 08/01/2017 6:08 AM, Carlos Trigo wrote:
pac.pt>
>> >>
>> >> Good morning guys
>> >>
>> >> I am still doing the electrical installation of my bird, and sometimes
I turn on the Master Switch to check if everything is working well with the
last installed critter.
>> >>
>> >> This time, after finishing the wiring of an electronic Carbon Monoxide
detector, I turned On the Master (together with the Main Alt field) to chec
k if the CO alarm 2-colour Led would lit as advertised, first a blinking gre
en and after 2 minutes the steady green.
>> >> All went well, except that I forgot to turn Off the Master (and Alt fi
eld), and they kept On for perhaps 15 or 20 minutes, while I was working on t
he Engine baffles...
>> >>
>> >> Then, I noticed that the Main Alternator was really hot to the touch, w
hich reminded me to turn Off the Master switch.
>> >>
>> >> Long story to ask the question: is this normal? If the Master switch (
and the Alt field switch) is On for some time, even with the engine Off, the
Alt gets that hot?
>> >>
>> >> Why?
>> >>
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
>> >> P.S. - perhaps you'll need some more information about my electric sys
tem architecture...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
It takes a lot more magnetic force to pull a relay armature in than it does to
hold it in the pulled position. In fact, just residual magnetism in the coil
core could be enough to hold the armature pulled in, even after the coil has been
de-energized. To prevent that, a thin layer of non-magnetic material is bonded
to the armature. If that thin layer wears away or falls out, the relay
could remain in the pulled-in position after the coil has been de-energized.
At work many years ago, a machine operator complained that a 5 HP, 3 phase, 480
volt motor started up all by itself after he had previously shut it off. Another
electrician verified the operators observation, but could not find the
problem. He asked me to help. It turns out that the motor did not actually stop
running. But it appeared that it did because the run-indicator light went
out when the operator pressed the stop button. I measured the coil voltage of
the 3 phase contactor and it was zero. So the contactor never pulled in all
by itself for no reason, it just never dropped out. Replacing the contactor
fixed the problem. Examining the contactor back in the shop, it repeatedly stuck
closed when manually pulled in. I do not know if was residual magnetism or
atmospheric pressure (like a suction cup) that held the large area mating surfaces
together. The mating surfaces were slightly oily. This was a highly unusual
failure. I only saw it happen that one time.
So yes, it is possible for relays to get stuck in the closed position. But it
is not very common. If I wanted to use relays in my airplane, I would not let
fear of relay failure deter me. A relay is less likely to fail than the fuel
system is. If the relay controls a critical circuit, then have a backup plan.
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| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
| From: | "MMiller" <mmill(at)optonline.net> |
Gilles,
Often the failure of a relay can be traced to a design choice. On a single pole
relay the most common failure modes (in no special order);
Open coil (won't pick)
Shorted coil (blows fuses)
Welded contact (fails to break)
Contact fails to make (dirt)
Mechanical binding
Relays are generally used to drive loads greater than the rating of the switch
piloting the relay or when multiple signals (poles) are needed. Comparing equally
rated switches and relays, one disadvantage of a relay is that it adds one
more step to the process, a power failure in the coil circuit and it won't pick.
Other than that, It doesn't matter if you use a switch or a relay, it's more
important that the device you choose meets the requirements of the circuit.
A properly selected relay or switch will likely last then life of the design,
trouble free.
When choosing a contact, bigger isn't better. As an extreme example, don't use
a contactor in a telecom circuit. Also, not all loads are equal, when driving
an inductive load, mange the kickback and de-rate, when driving lamps, cold filament
can be 10 times rated lamp current.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
Vern Little has lots of relays in his plane. Below is a link to his electrical
schematic.
http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/photos/panel_elec/schematics/Rocket_electrical-C1.sch
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| From: | "Peter Pengilly" <Peter(at)sportingaero.com> |
| Subject: | RV8 Elec schematic. |
Not many comments, haven't spent very long looking, sorry if I haven't
understood how some stuff works.
4 AWG is a little large from Battery relay to main bus, could be smaller.
Could add circuit protection into starter button feed.
Size of fuses/breakers seems odd. Suggest standardise by wire size, for
example,
22g = 5A, 20g = 7.5A, 18g = 10A, 16g = 15A
Do you really need 14g for the pitot?
Pmags need 5A fuses/breakers, I think.
GTR225 probably takes > 1A on transmit?
Do you need a relay on the emerg batt feed? A switch could handle the likely
currents.
I would include an aux socket in the cockpit.
You do not show a trim motor?
A voltmeter on the main bus would be useful.
Why ground the starter relay to the engine? If it is mounted on the firewall
just use that.
Load analysis is a little high - 78A continuous is too high for a 60A
alternator, battery will be flat very quickly.
But too many loads are included. Do not include momentary loads, for
example, flaps, radio transmit, trim.
Also relay loads not included (main relay often ~ 1A)? Spreadsheet for loads
often easier.
Joe has raised a few issues I was going to mention.
Peter
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Sherriff
Sent: 06 January 2017 22:46
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RV8 Elec schematic.
Hello All,
Sharpen your knives. I am the novice of novices and have strayed well out of
my expertise and comfort zone and attempted to design an electrical system
for my RV8. I have read the electrical bible (thank you Mr. Nuckolls) and
used a combination of figure Z-10/8 and Z-11 as a guide. Attached schematics
are a representation of my understanding.
I'd prefer not to have a hot battery bus or add a second alternator.
Although IFR capable, it will be flown VFR or VMC most of the time. The
system will run off a plane power 60A alt with built in OV and Voltage
regulation. Engine is using 2 PMAG's and mechanical fuel injection. Main
battery will probably go in the forward baggage compartment and the
emergency battery location is yet tbd. Probably aft. Some consumers on the
busses will use breakers and some will use fuses.
The philosophy is to power the essential and emergency busses using the
emergency battery during start. Primarily to get the avionics setup without
the engine running and then protecting against a voltage drop during start.
After start it will remain online and all busses are powered by the
alternator while charging both batt's. Max 75% ALT load in cruise.
Alternator fail- red light - (open emergency buss tie manually. I would like
this to happen automatically but don't have the brainpower to design that
yet, maybe later) will leave all busses powered by the main battery. All
equipment on the main buss is switchable effectively leaving the essential
buss powered by the main battery and emergency buss powered by the emergency
battery. Following low volt on the main battery (2,5hrs health depending)
the emergency battery powers emergency buss only. Max draw 1,5A so good for
at least 3 hours (health depending) from start of alternator failure.
Could I please ask for your expert advice and commentary on my design? Don't
be polite, there are lives on the line..
Thank you in advance. Regards,
Roger.
p.s. I apologise if the schematic symbology details are not 100% correct.
Still have to master the software.
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| From: | "Peter Pengilly" <Peter(at)sportingaero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
What is an sch file? What app can open these?
Peter
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[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of user9253
Sent: 08 January 2017 16:02
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Relay failure modes
Vern Little has lots of relays in his plane. Below is a link to his
electrical schematic.
http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/photos/panel_elec/schematics/Rocket_elec
trical-C1.sch
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| From: | William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
Can open with ExpressSCH, free at expresspcb.com
On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Peter Pengilly
wrote:
> Peter(at)sportingaero.com>
>
> What is an sch file? What app can open these?
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> user9253
> Sent: 08 January 2017 16:02
> To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Relay failure modes
>
>
> Vern Little has lots of relays in his plane. Below is a link to his
> electrical schematic.
>
> http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/photos/panel_elec/
> schematics/Rocket_elec
> trical-C1.sch
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464875#464875
>
>
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| From: | Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
Peter the software comes from Express PCB, *https://www
.expresspcb.com/*
*I've used it to do all my elementary drawings.*
*Rick*
*#40956*
*Southampton, ont*
On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Peter Pengilly
wrote:
> Peter(at)sportingaero.com>
>
> What is an sch file? What app can open these?
>
> Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> user9253
> Sent: 08 January 2017 16:02
> To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: Relay failure modes
>
>
> Vern Little has lots of relays in his plane. Below is a link to his
> electrical schematic.
>
> http://www.vx-aviation.com/sprocket/photos/panel_elec/
> schematics/Rocket_elec
> trical-C1.sch
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
| From: | "user9253" <fransew(at)gmail.com> |
The Express.sch program is similar to Excel in that there can be more than one
tab. After opening Vern Little's schematic, click on the various tabs at the
bottom of the page.
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| From: | Earl Schroeder <n233ee(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
Has anyone used this on an iPad?
On Jan 8, 2017 5:49 PM, "user9253" wrote:
>
> The Express.sch program is similar to Excel in that there can be more than
> one tab. After opening Vern Little's schematic, click on the various tabs
> at the bottom of the page.
>
> --------
> Joe Gores
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=464882#464882
>
>
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Relay failure modes |
At 04:03 AM 1/8/2017, you wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>
>Is there such a thing as a typical, or most likely relay failure mode ?
>
>For instance "failure to operate when the coil is energized",
>"uncommanded contact opening", etc. ? We are speaking of "ordinary" relays.
>
>Let's say we have a load permanently connected to the normally
>closed contacts, and the relay is occasionally energized to open the
>circuit. Is failure likeliness on the same order as that of the
>contacts of a switch, for instance ? Or does such a relay
>significantly impair the circuit reliability vs an ordinary switch ?
>
>Thanks in advance for any facts or opinions,
Relay failures are rare . . . as are switch
failures. Relays are simply remotely operated
switches having manual actuators replaced with
electro-magnetic actuators.
If one does measurement/analysis of contact performance
and the effects of environmental stress for
manual switches vs. electro-mechanical relays,
they are virtually identical. Contacts are
made from the same materials. They 'bounce'
on closure. Contact erosion and tendency to
'stick' as a byproduct of metal-transfer in
the electric arc are the same.
The only failures I had occasion to study
on TC aircraft had foundation in poor
application of the relay to intended task.
I worked one relay failure program on a bizjet
that took several years of sand-sifting to
identify root cause. The relays were being
used in a very benign environment (pressurized
cabin) and well within their electrical . . .
but were known to 'stick'. Single sticks
would disable a trim system. Double sticks
would produce a trim runaway.
Yet, all the 'failed' relays showed minimal
wear and tear . . . and would test normally
in a production test fixture.
Relays are, as a class of product, no more
prone to failure than their remote cousins
on the panel. I have operated three vehicles
to a cumulative total of more than 400K miles.
All three machines have a dozen or more relays
scattered about various systems. I've experienced
a range of mechanical failures due to end of life
wear out . . . but haven't replaced a single
relay.
Relays, like switches, have design lifetimes
in the tens of thousands of operations at
rated loads. Few relays in light aircraft see
more than a few hundred cycles per year . . .
and none are stressed to their maximum rated
loads.
We've studied some contactor failures due
to manufacturing error . . . a few more due
to electrical abuse (starter contactors down
stream of a soggy battery). But for the most
part, kept a cap-checked and charge battery
installed and even that risk drops dramatically.
Others were subject to moisture ingress due
to location and poor choice of installation
orientation.
You are probably more likely to lose a relay's
functionality due to a bad crimp on a mating
terminal than from failure within the relay.
The vast majority of failures I've investigated
on heavier iron had simply reached the end of
their service life . . . they were worn out.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hot alternator |
>
>
>Then, I noticed that the Main Alternator was really hot to the
>touch, which reminded me to turn Off the Master switch.
>
>Long story to ask the question: is this normal? If the Master switch
>(and the Alt field switch) is On for some time, even with the engine
>Off, the Alt gets that hot?
Yes . . . this is quite normal. while the alternator
is not rotating, battery-only bus voltage is so low
that the regulator is full-fielding the alternator.
Depending on the altenator, this can be as much as 3.5
amps at 12 volts for 42 watts of heat being generated
inside with no place to go.
This is why ALL of my architecture drawings show
either a three position DC power master for
OFF/BATT/ALT+BATT -or- a two-pole OFF/ON with
a PULLABLE breaker associated with the crowbar
ov protection system.
It is a design goal to have independent control
over the alternator during battery only operations.
The non rotating alternator not only gets hot, it
consumes energy from teh battery that would otherwise
be available for ground test operations -or- battery
only operations while airborne.
Bob . . .
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hot alternator |
At 07:57 AM 1/8/2017, you wrote:
>
>Ken
>
>Mine is also internally regulated but is an all new PlanePower 60A
Many, if not MOST internally regulated alternators
are fitted with a stator phase sense connection to the
regulator chip.
Emacs!
This signal tells the regulator whether or not
the alternator is rotating so as to prevent
full-fielding of the alternator is a quiescent
state.
No such provisions are available for most
externally regulated alternators. Waaay back when,
automotive alternators had a "AUX" teerminal
that power the field control relay inside the
regulator. This too effected field current shutdown
while not rotating.
Future regulators from our drafting table will be
micro-controller based and will feature a full field
limit timer that will prevent such events during ground
testing or alternator failure while airborne.
In the mean time, a pullable field breaker
Emacs!
. . . or three position DC PWR MASTER
are recommended.
Emacs!
Bob . . .
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eeking potential stadium sites in Erie County, where Buffalo is located. Another idea is having the Bills relocate their headquarters to the University at Buffalo campus in the Erie County town of Amherst, where a new practice facility would be built and shared with the schools football team. That proposal would satisfy a long-term need for a Mid-American Conference program seeking to broaden its profile. Though not a member of the working group, New York state Sen. Tim Kennedy told the AP he is aware of the preliminary discussions tying the Bills and the school. A person familiar with the discussions confirmed the Bills/UB plan has been raised. That person wasnt authorized to publicly discuss the subjects raised in the private meeting and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity. Duffy and Dyster are among 20 members of the stadium group, which was established to make recommendations on whether the Bills require a new facility or should continue playing at Ralph Wilson Stadium, their 41-year-old home in Orchard Park. The group was formed as part of a 10-year, $271-million lease agreement the team reached with the state and Erie County in December 2012. The groups role in helping determine the Bills future took on more significance after Ralph Wilson, the teams owner and founder, died on March 25. Wilsons widow, Mary Wilson, is now overseeing the team until the franchise is sold, which raises the possibility of the Bills relocating under a new owner. The Bills are essentially locked into playing at their current home through the 2019 season, because the lease features a $400 million penalty in the event the team broke it. In 2020, the Bills have a one-time opportunity to opt out of the lease ffor about $28 million. Raphael Varane Jersey (http://www.realmadridfcproshop.com/authentic-raphael-varane-real-madrid-jersey/). Toronto and Los Angeles are regarded potential suitors. The new owner will have final say on any stadium proposal. Its incumbent upon the working group, which includes U.S. Sen. Charles Sc!
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and the potential of a new home for the Bills is very helpful, because we
want to show an owner that we want to do what it take to keep the Bills in Buffalo."
Ralph Wilson Stadium is currently undergoing $130 million in upgrades.
The work includes structural upgrades and adding fan amenities to bring the facility
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As the NFLs only New York-based franchise, the team generates about $20 million
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a stadium site outside of Erie County. "The Buffalo Bills were born in Buffalo
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city a contender for hosting the Super Bowl, he said. Former Erie County Executive
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Giambra said Wilson discussed with him the possibility of the team playing
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