Allegro-Archive.digest.vol-ac
November 30, 2008 - November 29, 2010
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| Subject: | Authorized Maint person |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Guys,
I was looking through some manuals for who is authorized to work on different SLSA's.
Flight Design has an issue in their manual and states these people are
authorized. The owner where noted, a Light Sport Repairman with a Maint. rating
or " a higher grade certificate". No such thing in the mechanics world as a
higher grade certificate according to the FAA. It only exist in the pilot side.
Flight Design has to spell out i.e. LSR-M, A&P or I/A. So for now only an owner
where it says owner or an LSR-M can do maint on a Flight Design.
That said I was looking at the Allegro Flight manual and on page 34 it states that
"Periodic Inspections of the Engine and Propeller to be made according to
the respective manuals".
This means for an A&P, I/A or an LSR-M to work on your Rotax engined SLSA they
must have been to Rotax school to qualify. There are three things a person can
do to qualify, but 99% of us just go to a Rotax school. If they are not qualified
then if you get caught or in an accident and your books are checked then
you and the Maint. person will get touched by FAA.
If you have the "Service" rating you can drain the oil, do an inspection, balance
the carbs type things. You are not allowed to remove any components like a
fuel pump or gearbox or any thing else.
"Line" maint rated, You can now remove components off the engine that was covered
in that particular Rotax class. It would cover what is in the Line Maint Manual.
These items are fairly general in nature and very light maint., more inspection
type items with some testing included. This is mainly for small engine
components that you might find in a general maint inspection like a hose. If
it isn't in the Line Maint Manual you can't do it. For example. You can remove
the carbs for the 200 hr. rebuild, but you can't do the work because the carb
rebuild was taught in the "Heavy maint" class. You would have to send them out
or find a guy that is heavy maint rated to do the carb rebuild. You could not
remove the heads or rebuild the gearbox like when Rotax recalled all those gearboxes
to be redone. You could not take the gearbox off and do an inspection.
This was taught in the Heavy Maint class.
The "Heavy" Maint group can do everything right down to, but not including an overhaul.
This person can remove all the components, do inspections of the components,
remove the heads and cylinders or test components, but can not do an overhaul.
He can do a gearbox inspection after a prop strike, pull the heads for
a valve job, ect...
The "Overhaul" group of which there is darn few around and usually only the distributors.
It used to be that a Rotax 912ULS total overhaul (rebuilt engine) was about $8K,
but I heard yesterday that it is now about 70% of the cost of a new engine.
That makes it around $12.5K with a new engine in the $18K range.
Kodiak (main Rotax distributor) is making some sweeping changes that will effect
a lot of maint individuals. This is driven by an FAA survey/audit around the
nation and with MFG's to help come inline more with the ASTM standards. They
are trying to keep a tighter rein on maint quality control of their engines as
well as an idea as to who is working on them and to insure they are qualified.
So of these maint people who are not current, not taken and updated class or
only have the service class may be left behind if they don't get more involved
with classes, quality control and possibly tooling. Someone is trying to work
and help the little guy on the tooling aspect, but has not been decided yet.
I have just heard that Rotax has as low as 80%+ of the LSA and light plane market
and as high as 92% with the USA it's top buyer. Rotax really only has two
competitors and they really aren't a threat. Rotax distributors are now supposed
to tell someone who calls up looking for a service person of only the Rotax
QUALIFIED people and that means people that have the right type of service rating
for the work to be done and someone who is up to date with schooling and
with the proper tools.
Just a note as to what the different ratings from Rotax mean. By the way within
the next two weeks Rotax is going to have anyone claiming to be a repair center
or service facility fill out some paperwork. They want you to check off all
the Rotax tools you have, sign a form of Rules/Regs. as to how you will maint
and conduct business with their engine and under the Rotax name and they are
even telling people they will come out and inspect some of the so called repair
stations. You will have to take an update class once every two years and fill
out an application form every year.
This is really no difference than what the GA aircraft do now. Rotax is trying
to come in and be more main stream, professional and initiate better quality control.
This will not only affect individuals, but many LSA aircraft MFG's that
will need new rotax schooling for their personnel.
This will do two things. Unfortuneately many people will not comply and be out
of the SLSA maint and for some it will spur them onward. I think it will have
a bigger negative effect at first then come back around after a while. I do hope
after hearing some of the new changes that some of the distributors can change
Rotax's mind on a few details so as not to put overt pressure on the Rotax
maint. people. It is a new program and subject to some change I hope.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219089#219089
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| Subject: | Re: Authorized Maint person |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Roger,
That is an interesting development. As an FAA certificated Powerplant Mechanic
I can do ANY maintenance and repair on a Type Certificated Rotax Engine installed
in a Diamond Katana, a Part 23 certificated aircraft.
It appears to me that Rotax is getting the big head and in time it could back-fire
on them. Now that some lower-cost SLSAs are installing Jabiru engines Rotax's
share in this market could begin to decline. I really like the Rotax 912 series
engines but if I were in the market for a new SLSA I'd be inclined toward
a Jabiru powered one, with the maintenance issues and costs being a primary
motivator.
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Thom Riddle
N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill luck, people
understood each other, they would never agree.
- Charles Baudelaire
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| Subject: | Re: Authorized Maint person |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Thom,
Much of this is being generated or pushed by the FAA from a survey and was not
Rotax's doing. Rotax is now on-board and do want to have better quality control
since the ultralights have worked themselves up to open a new LSA category.
I don't believe from what I know about Jabiru that they have the facilities or
money to ever keep up with Rotax. SLSA is just starting to fall more in-line
with maint requirements of type certificated aircraft. Look at what you personally
went through (school and experience) to get your license for all that you
can do now. SLSA engines are different than a Cont or Lycoming's and they are
just trying to make sure that all the mechanics no matter who they are, are educated
as to the differences. I agree it will take so more time and effort by
everyone. The initial cost of a Jabiru right now is about $6K-$8K cheaper right
now, but I don't care for the engine as much.
In your Rotax type certificated 912S. Does it say in the authorization section
that you had to go to Rotax school?
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219215#219215
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| Subject: | Re: Authorized Maint person |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Roger,
The Katana that I've done work on has a Rotax 912F engine and the Diamond documentation
says nothing about special training required to do work on this Rotax
engine.
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Thom Riddle
N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill luck, people
understood each other, they would never agree.
- Charles Baudelaire
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219251#219251
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| Subject: | Re: Authorized Maint person |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Thom,
Does the Katana manual say to follow the Rotax manual for engine inspections or
maint.? If it does then section 2 in the Rotax manual says who is qualified to
do the work.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219261#219261
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/rotax_maint_autorization_111.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Authorized Maint person |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I don't recall. I don't have the maintenance manual in my possession at the moment.
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Thom Riddle
N1208P RANS S6S, Tailwheel, 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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It is by universal misunderstanding that all agree. For if, by ill luck, people
understood each other, they would never agree.
- Charles Baudelaire
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219263#219263
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| From: | <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Choke Cable Splitter for Rotax 912 UL |
On my E-LSA Allegro 2000 with a Rotax 912 UL engine the choke for the two
carburetors uses a plastic tube type cable splitter that is permanently
mounted through the fire wall. I need to replace the cable that goes from
the splitter to the left carburetor. To do this I need to open the splitter
and pull the cable back through it to remove the cable. The Allegro assembly
manual showing this splitter shows only a photograph of the splitter and the
three cable connections on the splitter itself before it is inserted into
the plastic tube. It has been three years since I assembled this splitter
and I cannot remember if it can be disassembled or not. Since the tube and
its internal assembly are permanently mounted through the fire wall with
JBWeld, I cannot take the full assembly out. Is there anyone out there that
has recently built an E-LSA Allegro 2000 using this carburetor splitter that
remembers how it went together and how to disassemble it?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
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| From: | "Hans Norring" <hans.norring(at)vip.cybercity.dk> |
| Subject: | Choke Cable Splitter for Rotax 912 UL |
Hi Hugh
My experiance is that the splitter is a temp-installation, after a periode
of about 3 years the plastic attachment that move in the tube gets bigger,
and thereby get stuck, that will give a real funny engine sound when u go to
idle ( landing situation )it nearly get the engine to stop, all because of
having choker on, so get rid of this hopeless arrangement, we are 3 allegro
2000 here in denmark that had that problem, and it was not possible for us
to get it open, so my suggestion is to buy a similar 2 to 1 cabel
arrangement from aircraftspruce, its made by alu and a brass assambly, the
only bad thing is that the diameter is smaller than the original, so there u
need to be creative.
Hans Norring
OY-9259
Denmark
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Sent: 29. december 2008 16:07
Subject: Allegro-List: Choke Cable Splitter for Rotax 912 UL
On my E-LSA Allegro 2000 with a Rotax 912 UL engine the choke for the two
carburetors uses a plastic tube type cable splitter that is permanently
mounted through the fire wall. I need to replace the cable that goes from
the splitter to the left carburetor. To do this I need to open the splitter
and pull the cable back through it to remove the cable. The Allegro assembly
manual showing this splitter shows only a photograph of the splitter and the
three cable connections on the splitter itself before it is inserted into
the plastic tube. It has been three years since I assembled this splitter
and I cannot remember if it can be disassembled or not. Since the tube and
its internal assembly are permanently mounted through the fire wall with
JBWeld, I cannot take the full assembly out. Is there anyone out there that
has recently built an E-LSA Allegro 2000 using this carburetor splitter that
remembers how it went together and how to disassemble it?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
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| From: | "Hugh" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Pilot Training Handle for Allegro 2000 |
I am looking for some one who has an Allegro "bolt-on handle extension" that
is used in flight training. I have a friend who needs this extension for
training in his Allegro 2000. If anyone out there has one that is no longer
being used and would like to sell it, please let me know.
Hugh G. McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| From: | "" <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Anybody out there flying an Allegro? |
I've flown the lower 48 in Allegro 43 in my plane N44469 and 5 ferrying a new plane
from NC to AZ. I'd love to hear from other Allegro pilots.
Jim Hazen
jlhazen(at)copper.net
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| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anybody out there flying an Allegro? |
Jim:
I am flying a 2004-Allegro 2000 (N661WW) located at Laney's Airport (N92)
near Maiden, NC. Where are you located?
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
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hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net
--- On Sat, 2/28/09, wrote:
From: <jlhazen(at)copper.net>
Subject: Allegro-List: Anybody out there flying an Allegro?
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 1:18 PM
I've flown the lower 48 in Allegro 43 in my plane N44469 and 5 ferrying a
new plane from NC to AZ. I'd love to hear from other Allegro pilots.
Jim Hazen
jlhazen(at)copper.net
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| Subject: | Re: Pilot Training Handle for Allegro 2000 |
Hugh
I have the training handle. It looks like a bicycle part, the type that gives a
vertical handle as an add-on to an existing handle bar so you can probably buy
it for a few dollars. It slips over the stick and
If not, you can have mine for the postage from Thailand
Paul
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232542#232542
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When our Allegro 2000 was delivered the rudders were stiff.
We found the problem to be the sleeve (the piece with the lubricating nipple in
enclosed photo) jamming against the collar above. We machined it down a few thou
and the rudders are smooth and light.
Paul
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| Subject: | Aileron control problem |
When our Allegro 2000 was delivered, our ailerons seemed unusually stiff.
On the ground, the ailerons were light but became progressively stiffer at speed
to the point where it took about a 3 pound pull to move the stick off center
at 110 knots.
We had no point of comparison but after some very helpful emails from Thom Riddle,
it was clear that the Allegro should have light ailerons. Although it is normal
for stick forces to increase with speed, ours felt excessive and unnatural.
We removed the wings and stripped down the aileron control system and found 2 problems.
1. There is a long 8 foot pushrod from the bellcrank in the middle of the wing
which extends all the way into the cabin . It has a 2 triple nylon wheel bearings.
One is near the wing strut and the other at the wing root.
The pushrod showed wear from only one point from each bearing. From the top on
the wing bearing and from the bottom on the root bearing. This suggested the rod
was bending in a vertical S and starting to jam on the bearings. Moving the
ailerons increased the load and would account for the stiffness.
2. A rod in the cabin attaches to the triangular bellcrank and passes thru 2 nylon
bushings one of which is in a tube welded to a flange and attached to the
bulkhead near the top seat belt attachment points. (see photo). It looks like
the factory had not welded the flange correctly. It was misaligned quite badly
and appeared to show attempts to bend it to fit. The rod missed the bellcrank
by about an inch.
We replaced the long pushrods with a stronger tube and used spacers to correctly
align the flange. Now the ailerons are very light and feel normal. I can only
assume that the factory used the wrong spec pushrod on our Allegro or there
is a third set of bearings missing which seems unlikely.
To check your plane, remove the clevis pin from the long pushrod where it meets
the short red pushrod. The ailerons should move freely. Remove the clevis pin
under the right hand luggage tray. The stick and bellcrank should move freely
individually.
If the wing pushrod is bending, it will be visible in flight. The photo clearly
shows the ailerons at cruise speed bending up to lie flush with the reflexed
flaps (therefore 4.5 degrees) and way above the tip fairings.
Although we had problems with our ailerons, we have solved them and I like the
system. I like an all-pushrod setup and the wing bellcrank, for example, appears
solid and well anchored to the spar. The large ailerons are light and powerful
and make the Allegro agile for a long wing plane.
We have flown 150 hours with the Allegro including a 2000 mile round trip from
Thailand to Malaysia and we really like the airplane. It is very comfortable to
fly with pleasant handling and is easy to land. It is a great cross country
plane with lots of luggage space. We have the long range tanks and even with the
100hp, the range and endurance is excellent.
Paul
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/ailerons_bending_151.jpg
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| Subject: | Y-extension, control stick Allegro 2000 |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro-listers,
For many months I have been trying to get subject part. Finally I succeeded,
but afterwards I learned that for the money I paid (inclusive shipment) I
could have bought 30 pieces of the same part, if I knew where to buy it.
Malcolm Stewart from Fantasy Air UK (is it still alive?) informed me that
the training extension handles for the Allegro are not Allegro manufactured
parts as they are from a bicycle.
If you look at Ebay UK - item number 360097558713 you will see *a pair* for
sale for about 6 Euros + delivery.
Just for you to know if it suits you. My conclusion: let aircraft
designers use more bicycle parts!
Theo van Duin, France
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| Subject: | Allegro spare parts - brakes |
Evektor made the wheels and brakes for the Allegro and can supply spare parts.
email me paul@aero-siam.com if you need the details.
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Fuel gauge probe |
| From: | "parahawk" <alfi98596(at)yahoo.com> |
My fuel gauge acts weird when tank is 3/4 full. It jumps all over the place. when
full or less than 3/4 it's OK.
Could not find a ground problem so I suspect the fuel probe in the tank being the
culprit.
However I can't find it. I expected it somewhere under the seat but only found
the 2 fuel lines.
Can anybody help me to steer me in right direction where the probe sits and if
it's easy to remove ( If anybody has done that before ). So I don't have to tear
out everything.
I appreciate your help.
Thanks
Al
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Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Fuel gauge probe |
I would never trust any fuel gage unless it read empty. My fuel gage does the
same thing. If its running out the filler, it's full. Time x 4-1/2 gph is the
only thing I trust
-----Original Message-----
From: parahawk <alfi98596(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 16:18
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel gauge probe
My fuel gauge acts weird when tank is 3/4 full. It jumps all over the place. when
full or less than 3/4 it's OK.
Could not find a ground problem so I suspect the fuel probe in the tank being the
culprit.
However I can't find it. I expected it somewhere under the seat but only found
the 2 fuel lines.
Can anybody help me to steer me in right direction where the probe sits and if
it's easy to remove ( If anybody has done that before ). So I don't have to tear
out everything.
I appreciate your help.
Thanks
Al
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Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel gauge probe |
Once again I agree with Jim H.-- My 2006 does the same thing. Be sure t
o always leave with a full fuel tank (come on its only 14 gals if your empt
y) and use 4.5 gals per hour and have a timer to keep track...Why take any
chances, no switching tanks, just fill her up and keep track of the time th
e engine is running,,
Stay safe,
Brian Carpenter N3081x
--- On Thu, 5/7/09, Jim Hazen wrote:
From: Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net>
Subject: RE: Allegro-List: Fuel gauge probe
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 2:37 PM
I would never trust any fuel gage unless it read empty.- My fuel gage doe
s the same thing. If its running out the filler, it's full. Time x 4-1/2 gp
h is the only thing I trust
-----Original Message-----
From: parahawk <alfi98596(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 16:18
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel gauge probe
My fuel gauge acts weird- when tank is 3/4 full. It jumps all over the pl
ace. when full or less than 3/4 it's OK.
Could not find a ground problem so I suspect the fuel probe in the tank bei
ng the culprit.
However I can't find it. I expected it somewhere under the seat but only fo
und the 2 fuel lines.
Can anybody help me to steer me in right direction where the probe sits and
if it's easy to remove ( If anybody has done that before ). So I don't hav
e to tear out everything.
I appreciate your help.
Thanks
Al
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Flying is the highest form of life on earth.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=243078#243078
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel gauge probe |
The fuel sender is on the top of the tank under the console and is easy to access.
My guage reads full at 11 gallons but seems to read reasonable accurately between
0 and 11gall.
Having said that, it lags when i am filling the wing tanks. if I switch off and
on again, it will read about 1 gallon less.
I don't think any of us should trust guages. It is easy to make a short light-coloured
wooden stick and dip it in the tank to check the contents.
Drain the tank, add 5 galls and make a notch in the stick at 5 gallon intervals.
It takes a little practice to feel the bottom of the tank because it slopes
but as long as you are consistent with the angle you insert the stick, you will
get accurate results.
When filling the tank, if you look inside at the top center of the tank, you will
see a round white nylon bushing in the middle of the tank (part of the sender
mount). When the fuel touches the bottom of this bushing, it is about full.
A maglite is ideal to shine a point of light while keeping the flashlight well
away from the tank.
Paul
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel gauge probe |
In order to insure a full fuel load, I have a wedge that I put under the left main
wheel. The wedge is made out of high density foam and about 2" high It's easy
to roll the A/C on and the wheel makes a slight indent in the foam to stay
in place. I do a lot of cross country flying (48 states, 115 different airports)
and fuel is a major consideration. I also check fuel burn with flight timer
every stop.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 23:20
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Fuel gauge probe
The fuel sender is on the top of the tank under the console and is easy to access.
My guage reads full at 11 gallons but seems to read reasonable accurately between
0 and 11gall.
Having said that, it lags when i am filling the wing tanks. if I switch off and
on again, it will read about 1 gallon less.
I don't think any of us should trust guages. It is easy to make a short light-coloured
wooden stick and dip it in the tank to check the contents.
Drain the tank, add 5 galls and make a notch in the stick at 5 gallon intervals.
It takes a little practice to feel the bottom of the tank because it slopes
but as long as you are consistent with the angle you insert the stick, you will
get accurate results.
When filling the tank, if you look inside at the top center of the tank, you will
see a round white nylon bushing in the middle of the tank (part of the sender
mount). When the fuel touches the bottom of this bushing, it is about full.
A maglite is ideal to shine a point of light while keeping the flashlight well
away from the tank.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Tires for Allegro |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
THom,
You never reported on how the 400 X 6 6 ply tires worked for you. Would you please
let me know how they did?
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Tires for Allegro |
Hi Larry,
I'm the new owner of Thom's plane. I'm not sure if both mains were replac
ed at the same time, but one side is in great shape, while the other side
has a serious bald spot with threads starting to show. Since the Allegro
doesn't have individual brakes maybe that's due to an out of balance tir
e always being landed on the same spot. I seem to recall Thom mentioning
some challenges with getting the tires balanced (at least the nose wheel)
and my A&P says he has found the cheaper tires to be tougher to balance.
I just ordered a replacement. Aero classic 4x6 6-ply from Desser for abou
t $45.
Brad Kramer
N221FA
Bismarck ND
THom,
You never reported on how the 400 X 6 6 ply tires worked for you. Would y
ou please let me know how they did?
Thanks,
Larry
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| From: | "" <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tires for Allegro |
After my 3rd flat tire, I replaced both the main "wheelbarrow" tires on my Allegro
with the 400 x 6 6ply tires from Desser. This was in September 08. I have
been very happy with these tires. They fit the wheel pants just fine. It nice
to have real tires since I do a lot of cross country flying and had flats
in KLM, HLN and LXT. In each case I had to RON while the A&P went to town to
get another wheelbarrow tire. A new set of Aero Classic tires is way cheaper
than having tires replaced away from home and spending a night in a hotel.
Jim Hazen
N44469
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From: "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Tires for Allegro
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:39:14 -0700
THom,
You never reported on how the 400 X 6 6 ply tires worked for you. Would you please
let me know how they did?
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Sony Ericsson w810 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C0=C1=D1=CE=CB=DE=D2=CD=CE?= |
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1=C5=D1=CF=CB=C0=D2=CD=CE?=!
| From: | "will" <wry22(at)drexel.edu> |
W810 ?
Sony Ericsson w810
(http://freew810.hotmail.ru)
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W810 ?
Sony Ericsson w810
(http://freew810.hotmail.ru)
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| Subject: | Re: Tires for Allegro |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Brad & Jim,
Thanks for the update on the tires. Mine has the OEM tires and after 100 hours
of operation the right main tire shows a lot of wear on the inside of the tread.
the other two seem to be holding up fine. I'm wondering if there may be
some sort of an alignment issue with the aircraft. Have either of you noticed
any abnormal wear that may indicate some sort of a problem in the alignment?
Thanks,
Larry Edson
N4362C
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| Subject: | Re: Tires for Allegro |
I haven't noticed any wear that'd indicate a gear alignment problem on mi
ne.
Have you tried just using a large carpenters square to compare the camber
(i.e. tilt) of the left & right wheels? That'd be a quick & easy check a
s a starting point.
I don't recall what, if any, alignment adjustments can be made on the All
egro. Of course there's always the option to just rotate the tires every
25 hours or so if a better alignment isn't possible.
One other interesting possibility is that you often touch down first on t
he right side tire. Most pilots, including me, tend to touch down with th
e left wheel first. My mechanic swears that he replaces a lot more left t
ires than right ones. Mention that piece of trivia the next time you're h
anging out with a bunch of pilots and see what happens. (then go on to di
scuss downwind turns) ... but I digress...
...Brad
N221FA
Brad & Jim,
Thanks for the update on the tires. Mine has the OEM tires and after 100
hours of operation the right main tire shows a lot of wear on the inside
of the tread. the other two seem to be holding up fine. I'm wondering if
there may be some sort of an alignment issue with the aircraft. Have eith
er of you noticed any abnormal wear that may indicate some sort of a prob
lem in the alignment?
Thanks,
Larry Edson
N4362C
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| Subject: | Allegro manufacturing equipment for sale |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I just saw this and an ad on Barnstormers pointing to this.
http://roseburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1170038210.html
Does this mean that Sadler Aircraft is NOT going to be building Allegros and parts
after all? I've not been able to find any reference to Allegro on Sadler Aircraft's
website. Has anyone spoken to Doug Hempstead about this?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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http://riddletr.googlepages.com/a%26pmechanix
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that works.
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| Subject: | Allegro manufacturing equipment for sale |
I've been in touch with both Doug and Sadler Aircraft about this. I
specifically asked if this means the Allegro is dead.
All Doug would say was "no, it's not dead, but that's all I can say right
now".
The guy from Sadler said they had every intention of moving forward and that
this 'auction' was a legal necessity to determine the fair market value of
the manufacturing equipment.
Clearly there is more to this story and hopefully it is only a legal
formality. I'm not entirely sure what to believe, but the head of Sadler
was quick to respond and also provided me with his cell # to call at any
time if I had concerns. I haven't done that (yet).
Let's hope for the best.
Brad Kramer
N221FA
Bismarck ND
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thom Riddle
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:41 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Allegro manufacturing equipment for sale
I just saw this and an ad on Barnstormers pointing to this.
http://roseburg.craigslist.org/bfs/1170038210.html
Does this mean that Sadler Aircraft is NOT going to be building Allegros and
parts after all? I've not been able to find any reference to Allegro on
Sadler Aircraft's website. Has anyone spoken to Doug Hempstead about this?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
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| Subject: | 3rd. Annual Page, AZ. Fly-in Adventure |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
This mainly a Flight Design CT group , but would like to invite a few others.
Ok Guys here's the scoop.
The date of Oct 8-11 could not happen because all the hotels were booked. Oct.
is a busy month for tourist coming in bus loads to Page. Weekends are usually
booked.
We had to change the date to the next most voted date of Oct. 15-18, more or less
the same dates as last year.
So the Page, AZ. Fly-In date is October 15-18
We will fly the Grand Canyon, Lake Powell, Monument Valley and this year I'm adding
Bryce/Zion Canyon.
I managed to block off 30 rooms. We got a great rate of $49 same as last year.
Several people waited until it was too late and all the rooms were booked and
had to go over to the other hotel at a higher rate of $20-$30 more per night.
Do not wait this year. Book it now and you can cancel up to 24 hours before Oct.
15th. Get it booked and reserved, then if you have to cancel you can, but if
you wait again then you may not be staying with the rest of us and at your own
peril for rates.
We have a special rate at the same place we stayed last year.
Tell them you are with the "CT Group" or Roger Lee to cross reference and the rate
is $49 a night. We will arrive Thursday morning, Oct. 15th. and head home
Oct. 18th. Sunday or Monday morning. Breakfast is free in the mornings.
I talked to the people at the Ranch House Grill and they will cater our evening
meals again. We will have evening meals together Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
Make sure to ask for Elisa Brown
Best Western Arizona Inn
716 Rim View Dr.
Page, Az.
800-826-2718
928-645-2466
We will fly into the Page airport - KPGA.
We are staying with the Classic FBO and with our group we should get a .30 cent
discount on fuel.
Classic is not the first FBO next to the runway, but the second one behind them.
The Antelope Canyon tour is open if anyone wants. This is a land tour.
I'm up for a lake tour and we can split it. We can rent 19" power boats ourselves
and take them out and explore the lake and fingers. The cost of the boat is
$325 a day (8am-5pm). They hold eight people and this is only $40 a person.
I am working with someone to see if he will take us out on the lake Friday and
Saturday for a lake tour on his houseboat. I'll let you know later.
Any of the rented boat items they would like a 24 hour notice.
These are only some ideas that I checked on. We don't have to do them and if only
some want to do them that is ok.
You guys are welcome to invite other planes that are not CT's and everyone is welcome.
Find some more LSA's.
I will develop GPS coordinates for all our routes and post them so you can enter
them in your own GPS. I have a plan to better deal with all our planes for our
flights so they are not crowded in the mornings or evenings.
Don't miss this, we always have fun.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: 3rd. Annual Page, AZ. Fly-in Adventure |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
I hope a few of you are making reservations. You don't know what you are missing.
This is one of the most fun flying adventure any where and it's set up just
for LSA. Great bunch of people.
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3rd. Annual Page, AZ. Fly-in Adventure |
Roger.
-
Made my reservations today...Can't wait to join you in My Allegro 2000..Tha
nks for the invite!!
-
Brian
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From: Roger Lee <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: 3rd. Annual Page, AZ. Fly-in Adventure
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 7:03 AM
I hope a few of you are making reservations. You don't know what you are mi
ssing. This is one of the most fun flying adventure any where and it's set
up just for LSA. Great bunch of people.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Wheel Bearing Nut Size |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
I've ordered new tires from Desser and am preparing to put them on. My question
is, does anyone on the forum know the size of the wheel bearing nut so that
I can buy the correct wrench?
Thanks,
Larry Edson
N4362C
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| From: | <botanica(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | Allegro-list S-LSA or not? |
I'm owner of an Allegro 2000, N# 4355V.
An article in "Flying" says that because the mfgr. is out of business, the A/C
can't be legally flown. Is that correct?
What are my options? (I have about 17 hours solo but haven't
got my license yet.)
Thanks,
Britt Frye
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| Subject: | Allegro-list S-LSA or not? |
| From: | "Larry Edson" <Ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Yes, it's true that Fantasy Air went out of business. But all of the
manufacturing rights now belong to B Bar D Aviation in Stanford, NC. I
was told that they are starting to manufacture in Roseburg, OR this
month as Allegro USA, LLC and will have the first of the completely US
manufactured aircraft for display at Air Venture. I had concerns that
we wouldn't be able to get repair parts now, but I was assured by Doug
Hempstead that that wouldn't be a problem.
So I would say that there is no problem with you flying your airplane
because it is not an orphan.
Take Care,
Larry
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I'm owner of an Allegro 2000, N# 4355V.
An article in "Flying" says that because the mfgr. is out of business,
the A/C can't be legally flown. Is that correct?
What are my options? (I have about 17 hours solo but haven't
got my license yet.)
Thanks,
Britt Frye
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff rudders |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
I as well have stiff rudders. Can you tell me what you machined down? Was it the
sleeve or the collar? And did you take the material off the top or the bottom?
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff rudders |
Larry
With the tail tied down and the steering link rod removed, the nosewheel should
rotate with just a slight drag from the bearings. On my aircraft (Dec 2006) the
rudders were STIFF.
>From memory, I machined down the top of the sleeve and slipped long bolts thru
the rivet holes to check the clearance before rivetting the sleeve in place.
I am sure you know already but the nosewheel has 3 grease nipples.
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Bearing Nut Size |
Larry
It is a large castellated nut with a cotter pin. It should be just snug to slip
the cotter pin thru but not tight. A large adjustable wrench with long jaws works
fine. It cannot loosen and tightening it will crush the bearings
Regards
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel Bearing Nut Size |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Paul,
Thanks for the information. I was aware of the construction of the system, what
I was trying to find out is the dimension of the castellated nut. It appears
to be over an inch is size and I would like to buy the correct size wrench so
that I don't damage it with an adjustable one.
Thanks,
Larry
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wheel Bearing Nut Size |
Larry,
-
I just used a 1 1/16 on mine. It seemed to work fine. I did not try any met
ric sizes as I did not have any that big. By biggest is 17mm for the Oil Su
mp drain plug.
Good Luck. I just changed out my front tire after about 175 hours and 400 +
landings...
-
Brian
N3081X 2006 Allegro 2000
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From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Wheel Bearing Nut Size
Date: Friday, June 26, 2009, 5:21 AM
Paul,
Thanks for the information.- I was aware of the construction of the syste
m, what I was trying to find out is the dimension of the castellated nut.
- It appears to be over an inch is size and I would like to buy the corre
ct size wrench so that I don't damage it with an adjustable one.
Thanks,
Larry
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| From: | "Hugh" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Tail Light (White navigation Light) |
Gentlemen:
I have an Allegro 2000. The rear white navigation light has burned out. This
light is a clear horizontal light attached to the top of the rear vertical
stabilizer, and appears to be in a small glass enclosure about in
diameter. I have no instructions on how to replace this light. Do I remove
the entire unit, or is there a bulb inside the unit? Unfortunately there are
no instructions on how to do this. Can anyone enlighten me on how to fix
this unit?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Tail Light (White navigation Light) |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Hugh,
The taillight on my Allegro 2000 appears to be a LED light. Knowing that LED lights
have a service life of thousands of hours makes me wonder if it may be something
other that the bulbs failing. I've never removed mine ( there hasn't
been the need) so I have no idea on how to remove or service it. I would suggest
that you contact Doug Hempstead for guidance.
Larry
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| Subject: | Allegro Manufacturing |
Sounds like things are still (hopefully) moving forward with the manufacturing
in Oregon.
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| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
After having experienced my first oil change and the amount of mess that it was....I
wanted to ask everyone if they had installed one of the quick oil drain
valves on their Allegro with the Rotax 912 engine and if they found it helpful?
I would also like to know if the valve that was installed was a straight one
or one with the 90 degree adapter?
Thanks for your help! I appreciate it.
Larry
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| From: | "Thomas R. Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Drain Valve |
I installed a straight one our Allegro but the nipple was so close to the
motor mount I had to shim the oil tank out about 3/8" from the firewall for
it to clear. Yes, it makes the draining and cleaning of the oil tank much
easier.
Thom in Buffalo
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Greetings from my tent at OSH.
You'l be glad to know that Allegro/Sadler is here in a prime spot with 2 Allegros
and a Vampire. So far it looks like they're putting a serious effort into
getting back into production in Oregon.
Brad
Mandan ND
N221FA
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Drain Valve |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Thom,
Thanks for the reply! Do you know what type valve you used? I noted that there
are two different manufacturers of the quick drain valves, Curtis and Saf-Air.
The Curtis valve appears to be complete made of brass and the Saf-Air valve
looks to be aluminum.
Thanks,
Larry
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Drain Valve |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Larry,
I don't recall which one I bought but it was mostly aluminum. Both companies make
very good drain valves so it is a toss up in my opinion.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Drain Valve |
| From: | "Bear Creek Aviation" <bear_creek_lsa(at)bellsouth.net> |
With the Mfg essentially out of business, and it appears this aircraft is under
a SLSA airworthiness certificate, where are you guys getting the Letter of Authorization
to do this work? Are you reregistering as a ELSA?
Just curious,
Terry Gardner
RM(AP)(WS)(PP)
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Drain Valve |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
FYI
The original manufacturer is out of business, but all of the right to the design
are owned by the new US manufacturer, Allegro USA LLC. So the design is not
widowed and there is no reason to register as an ELSA.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Drain Valve |
I spent some time with Doug H at OSH last week talking about the producti
on rights, etc. Also spoke with an Allegro dealer. I came away with a goo
d feeling about the Allegro's future.
I'd also mentioned to Doug that I'd like to add a panel mount CO2 detecto
r and he said I don't need approval for that. He said the documentation w
as intentionally written to allow owners flexibility in doing some custom
izing / accessories, as long as they're not screwing around with the basi
c equipment as supplied by the factory. I haven't yet verified that in th
e documentation... but that's the word from the person who would have to
provide the approval.
A quick-drain valve would be way down on my list of things to worry about
documentation for (unless the thing leaks and causes an accident). It's
not like the Feds will do a ramp check, remove the cowling and check log
books for something like a quick drain. (most of them can't even identify
a Rotax 912)
Brad
Bismarck ND
N221FA
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Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 08:17 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Oil Drain Valve
r is out of business, but all of the right to the design are owned by the
new US manufacturer, Allegro USA LLC. So the design is not widowed and t
here is no reason to register as an ELSA. Larry Read this topic online he
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| From: | mike skolochenko <dawnflyer44(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | damaged 2005 allegro 2000 |
The accident occured on an aborted take-off when the aircraft veered left a
nd encountered a ditch along left side of the runway. The impact bent the
nosegear and ripped out the left maingear. The right main was also damaged
slightly and will probably need replacement. Prop strike occured and prop
was destroyed. While sliding along grass surface=2C the exaust pipe end w
as flattened. Mechanic states that this is not a big problem. The oil coo
ler is bent from the nose gear impact. The left wing has a small wrinkle ne
ar the tip=2C but this should be an easy fix=2C
The engine=2C empenage=2C cowl=2C aft fuselage=2C all instruments=2C trim a
nd flap controls are all intact and right wing is also intact. As noted=2C
left wing will need minor repair.
the mid fuselage and landing gear housings will need to be rebuilt. I am t
old that this fix can be made but no one around here seems wanting to tackl
e it. Pictures are available @ my e mail address if you want to take a loo
k. Will sell entire aircraft or parts as desired. List of pics below.
1170- overall view of fuselage from R
1171-bottom view of nosewheel socket=2C intact=2C and
bent oil cooler
1172-bottom view shows bent oil cooler and flattend
exhaust
1173- shows crack back of R gear socket
1174 shows major damage to L gear socket
1175- shows fully intact panel and instruments
1176-shows fully intact empenage
1177-showa rear view of intact empenage
1178- Left view of cabin
1179-view from R side of R gear socket damage
1180-outside view of R gear socket
1181-intact engine and gearbox
1182-intact nose gear proximal support
1183reverse view of intact nose gear proximal
support
1184-flattened end of exhaust
1185- wrinkle top surfac distal L wing
1186- same thing
1187- minor damage to undrsurface L wing
I hope this gives you a good idea of the situation. This aircraft can be s
alvaged by someone with the right skills and is a sweet flyer. I wish I ha
d the time and skills to fix it myself !
Let me know what you think=2C
Mick@ dawnflyer44(at)hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: damaged 2005 allegro 2000 |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Mick,
Just so you cover all your bases...
You also have an engine and gearbox inspection to carry out. They will want to
know what rpm the engine was turning when it hit and what kind of prop it was.
Rotax has a special procedure that must be followed since it is an SLSA or it
will not be able to have it's airworthy cert again. Any repair not in the Allegro
maint manual will need to be written up and submitted to the Allegro people
for approval.
Just for everyones info.
If a procedure is not in the maint. manual (i.e...a brake replacement) it must
have a "letter of approval" from the factory to keep its airworthy certificate.
It is now considered a major repair if it is not in the manual.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258061#258061
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| From: | mike skolochenko <dawnflyer44(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: damaged 2005 allegro 2000 |
Thanks Roger=2C
I will post that info as soon as I can.
Mick
and=2Coh yes=2C this will be a major repair!
> Subject: Allegro-List: Re: damaged 2005 allegro 2000
> From: ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com
> Date: Sun=2C 16 Aug 2009 15:37:58 -0700
> To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Hi Mick=2C
>
> Just so you cover all your bases...
> You also have an engine and gearbox inspection to carry out. They will wa
nt to know what rpm the engine was turning when it hit and what kind of pro
p it was. Rotax has a special procedure that must be followed since it is a
n SLSA or it will not be able to have it's airworthy cert again. Any repair
not in the Allegro maint manual will need to be written up and submitted t
o the Allegro people for approval.
>
> Just for everyones info.
> If a procedure is not in the maint. manual (i.e...a brake replacement) it
must have a "letter of approval" from the factory to keep its airworthy ce
rtificate. It is now considered a major repair if it is not in the manual.
>
> --------
> Roger Lee
> Tucson=2C Az.
> Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
> Rotax Service Center
> 520-574-1080
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258061#258061
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| Subject: | Re: damaged 2005 allegro 2000 |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Dawnflyer,
A guy at Dart Field south of Buffalo, NY bought an Allegro a few years ago that
had similar damage but it occurred in a landing accident. He did not do the repairs
himself but may be able to steer you in the right direction for repairs
if you decide to keep the airplane rather than sell it. He sent the fuselage
to some place in Arizona that specializes in composite repairs. Roger may know
of this outfit but I don't have the name. I saw photos of the airplane after
the accident and then I saw it in person after the repairs. The repairs were perfect
cosmetically. Amazing work.
The guy's name who bought the damaged Allegro is John Landrich and his email is
n7570a_at_roadrunner.com if you want to contact him. At least this was his email
the last time I communicated with him, which was a couple years ago.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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| Subject: | Re: damaged 2005 allegro 2000 |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Guys,
The people that I would send any composite aircraft to is Lone Mountain Aviation
in Las Vegas. I have seen tails chopped off and damage that you would think
was a total. They do unbelievable work. Looks like it's right out of the box when
done. You can't tell where they even touched it. They are a Cirrus dealer
and just recently a Flight Design distributor. Their specialty is composites and
repairs.
Kenny Scherado
Lone Mountain Aviation
lonemountainaviation.com
(702) 309-2200
2830 N Rancho Dr, #A
Las Vegas, NV
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Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258189#258189
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| Subject: | Re: damaged 2005 allegro 2000 |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Roger,
I think that was the place that the local Allegro owner sent his to be repaired.
I was only one state off and both are in the desert :-).
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x34
A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system
that works.
- John Gaule
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258197#258197
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| From: | ctmcdowell(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Reinstate membership request |
Hello Matronics.=C2- I cannot access my account. I believe I have done al
l that is required and never violated any rules. May I have my access reins
tated? What might I need to do? Thank you, Charles
ctmcdowell(at)comcast.net
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| From: | ctmcdowell(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Reinstate membership request |
Hello Matronics.=C2- I cannot access my account. I believe I have done al
l that is required and never violated any rules. May I have my access reins
tated? What might I need to do? Thank you, Charles
ctmcdowell(at)comcast.net
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| Subject: | Rotax 912 for sale |
| From: | "Keithc" <keith(at)intev.ca> |
I have a Rotax 912 (80hp) for sale. It was purchased for my series 4 project but
the project has been sold and the engine is now available. It has 1490 hrs SMOH.
It came out of a certified A/C(Katana).Very well looked after. I don't recall
receiving logs with it. I was not concerned at the time of purchase as the
logs were not needed for a home built. The compressions were 76/80,76/80,74/80,76/80
at time of removal. $5700.00 cdn. I am located in Cambridge Ontario.
Keith 519-240-3064 keith(at)intev.ca[b][/b]
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| Subject: | Engine oil check door |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
I'm considering the addition of an oil check door for my Allegro 2000. My question
is, has anyone installed one on their aircraft, and if so do you have any
information on the process that you can share?
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269520#269520
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine oil check door |
Uh Mine has one from the factory....
Brian
n3081x 2006 Allegro 2000
--- On Mon, 10/26/09, ledson wrote:
From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Engine oil check door
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 11:05 AM
I'm considering the addition of an oil check door for my Allegro 2000.- M
y question is, has anyone installed one on their aircraft, and if so do you
have any information on the process that you can share?
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269520#269520
le, List Admin.
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| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine oil check door |
Larry:
-
I have an oil level check "door" on my Allegro 2000. It is part of the top
engine cowel, and it came with the airplane kit which I completed 2 years a
go. I have over 300 hours on the Rotax 912 UL engine, and have never used t
he door. It is a useless addition. Here is why. Each time you check the oil
level in the oil reservoir you should also check the coolant level in the
small expansion reservoir on top of the engine (this is not the overflow bo
ttle). To check the coolant level you have to remove the top engine cowelin
g. This allows you to also check the oil level. This also allows you to ins
pect your engine as well. It only takes a minute to remove the top engine c
owel.
-
I would not waste my time by adding such a door.
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
--- On Mon, 10/26/09, ledson wrote:
From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Engine oil check door
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 2:05 PM
I'm considering the addition of an oil check door for my Allegro 2000.- M
y question is, has anyone installed one on their aircraft, and if so do you
have any information on the process that you can share?
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269520#269520
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Oil door (and other things) |
I'd have to agree that the top cowling is so easy to remove that you are
best off doing that and then are able to inspect other things firewall fo
rward.
On a few other items...
- has anybody noticed that after you park the plane you get some overflow
dripping on the ground from the coolant bottle? (this only seems to happ
en when it is below about 50 degrees or so) Engine temps are fine, regard
less of ambient temps.
- I'd like to put a small hinged photo window in the pilot's door (maybe
like a Cherokee window vent). I think there is a factory option for that.
Has anybody tried this as a modification? If so I'd love to get pictures
and advice.
- I talked to the people from Sadler last spring and also visited the All
egro/Vampire display at OSH 2009. I'm wondering if anyone has talked to t
hem lately about getting back into production. ??
- I'm working in Houston this week. Any Allegro fliers nearby?
- And a final question.... why is this Allegro list so QUIET??? This is m
y 6th airplane and I've never met a group of owners who are so shy to tal
k about their planes! (Usually they won't shut up)... I'd like to think i
t is because Allegro's are so trouble-free and wonderful that we just kee
p flying them, rather than talking or complaining about them.
Brad Kramer
Allegro 2000 - N221FA
EAA 394357
Bismarck/Mandan ND (Y19)
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh MCKAY III [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 04:42 PM
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Engine oil check door
Larry:
I have an oil level check "door" on my Allegro 2000. It is part of the to
p engine cowel, and it came with the airplane kit which I completed 2 yea
rs ago. I have over 300 hours on the Rotax 912 UL engine, and have never
used the door. It is a useless addition. Here is why. Each time you check
the oil level in the oil reservoir you should also check the coolant lev
el in the small expansion reservoir on top of the engine (this is not the
overflow bottle). To check the coolant level you have to remove the top
engine coweling. This allows you to also check the oil level. This also a
llows you to inspect your engine as well. It only takes a minute to remov
e the top engine cowel.
I would not waste my time by adding such a door.
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil door (and other things) |
Brad:
-
I have not had any overflow from the coolant bottle except under the follow
ing combined conditions:
1. Temps in the 85 to 95 degrees F
2. Plane sitting on hot asphalt runway with engine running for ten to 15 mi
n.
3. Cylinder head temperature continuing to rise in the yellow range.
-
The above conditions have only occured in my case while having a prolonged
delay in taking off from a paved airport in the hot summer months here in t
he southeast, with a lot of take-off traffic in front of me. I can't explai
n why you are having this problem at 50 degrees F!
-
In my case, I am having no problems with-my Allegro, so I have little to
nothing to offer at this point concerning problems, questions, or issues. I
'm just flying, flying, flying........... -
Hope you are doing the same!
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
EAA 765611
Maiden, NC
N92
--- On Mon, 10/26/09, Brad Kramer <brad@vision-technology.com> wrote:
From: Brad Kramer <brad@vision-technology.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Oil door (and other things)
Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:26 PM
I'd have to agree that the top cowling is so easy to remove that you are be
st off-doing that and then are able to inspect other things firewall forw
ard.
-
On a few-other items...
-
- has anybody noticed that after you park the plane you get some overflow d
ripping on the ground from the coolant bottle?- (this only seems to happe
n when it is below about 50 degrees or so)-- Engine temps are fine, reg
ardless of ambient temps.
-
- I'd like to put a small hinged-photo window in the pilot's door (maybe
like a Cherokee window vent).- I think there is a factory option for that
.- Has anybody tried this as a modification?-- If so I'd love to get
pictures and advice.
-
- I talked to the people from Sadler last spring-and also visited the-A
llegro/Vampire display at OSH 2009.- I'm-wondering if anyone has talked
to them lately about getting back into production.- ??
-
- I'm working in Houston this week.- Any Allegro fliers nearby?
-
- And a final question.... why is this Allegro list so QUIET???- This is
my 6th airplane and I've never met a group of owners who are-so shy to ta
lk about their planes!--(Usually they won't shut up)...- -I'd like
to think it is because Allegro's-are so trouble-free and wonderful that w
e just keep-flying them, rather than talking or complaining about them.
--
-
Brad Kramer
Allegro 2000 - N221FA
EAA 394357
Bismarck/Mandan ND (Y19)
-
-
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh MCKAY III [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 04:42 PM
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Engine oil check door
Larry:
-
I have an oil level check "door" on my Allegro 2000. It is part of the top
engine cowel, and it came with the airplane kit which I completed 2 years a
go. I have over 300 hours on the Rotax 912 UL engine, and have never used t
he door. It is a useless addition. Here is why. Each time you check the oil
level in the oil reservoir you should also check the coolant level in the
small expansion reservoir on top of the engine (this is not the overflow bo
ttle). To check the coolant level you have to remove the top engine cowelin
g. This allows you to also check the oil level. This also allows you to ins
pect your engine as well. It only takes a minute to remove the top engine c
owel.
-
I would not waste my time by adding such a door.
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Low frequency vibration noise |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro listers,
When flying my Allegro I regularly do hear a low frequency vibration noise
(about 1 to 2 Hz)
in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL. The
prop is a
Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.
It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm very
curious to
find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller or
an incorrectly
adjusted pitch of the blades?
Thanks for any comment on this,
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
Theo:
-
When did you first begin to hear this noise? I may be wrong, but at one to
two Hz, I don't think it would be related to an out of balance prop because
the Woodcomp prop blades were balanced at the factory and matched to the h
ub by numbers 1 thru 3. Because of their construction, they have little rot
ational mass relative to the rotating mass of the engine. Therefore they wo
uld have little effect unless one has been damaged, or one is severely out
of pitch. Have you checked the tracking and pitch of your prop? If those tw
o items are correct I would begin to look elsewhere for the-cause, such a
s an electrical problem, but at such a low frequency it is hard to imagine
the problem being electrical. Others on this forum may have some better ide
as.
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
N661WW
Rotax 912
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin wrote:
From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:28 AM
Fellow Allegro listers,
-
When flying my Allegro I-regularly-do hear a low frequency vibration no
ise (about-1 to 2 Hz)
in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL. The
prop is a
Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.-
It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm very
curious to
find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller or
an incorrectly
adjusted pitch of the blades?
-
Thanks for any comment on this,
-
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71MM)-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Threadcharmer(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
Theo,
Have a passenger check for vibration in the windshield and/or doors. My
Allegro experiences something similar on takeoff and we found it to be
vibration in the upper corners of the windshield. I also get a small bit of
vibration from the doors. It settles down when we power back. Yes, we hear it even
though we have the headsets on...
Hope this helps,
Amy Hackworth
Allegro amphib N306AD
Hobe Sound, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh,
The noise was there from the first time we flew with the plane however
remarkably it did not attrack Andr=E9's
attention, as he told me. Andr=E9 checked the pitch of the blades and these
were found to be O.K.
However, an experienced pilot/instructor told us once that to his opinion
the pitch of the blades was adjusted too coarse. At full power
the tachometer reaches something like 5200 r.p.m.
I don't think that the tracking was checked and honestly I'm not quite sure
what "tracking" exactly means and
how this checking could be done.
About propeller damage: initialy there was none. At one occasion, the engin
e
was started over a gravel path
and after that I found damages on two blades: 3 small holes of the size of
a
match head.
Maybe you are right about the cause of the vibration noise being something
electric. This brings me to the next problem I'ld like to resolve by puttin
g
it on the Allegro list. My radio.
Thank you Hugh for your comments,
Theo van Duin
(France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM
)
2009/10/27, Hugh MCKAY III :
>
> Theo:
>
> When did you first begin to hear this noise? I may be wrong, but at one t
o
> two Hz, I don't think it would be related to an out of balance prop becau
se
> the Woodcomp prop blades were balanced at the factory and matched to the
hub
> by numbers 1 thru 3. Because of their construction, they have little
> rotational mass relative to the rotating mass of the engine. Therefore th
ey
> would have little effect unless one has been damaged, or one is severely
out
> of pitch. Have you checked the tracking and pitch of your prop? If those
two
> items are correct I would begin to look elsewhere for the cause, such as
an
> electrical problem, but at such a low frequency it is hard to imagine the
> problem being electrical. Others on this forum may have some better ideas
.
>
> Hugh McKay
> Allegro 2000
> N661WW
> Rotax 912
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin * wrote:
>
>
> From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
> To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:28 AM
>
> Fellow Allegro listers,
>
> When flying my Allegro I regularly do hear a low frequency vibration nois
e
> (about 1 to 2 Hz)
> in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL. Th
e
> prop is a
> Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.
> It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm ve
ry
> curious to
> find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller
or
> an incorrectly
> adjusted pitch of the blades?
>
> Thanks for any comment on this,
>
> Theo van Duin, France
> Allegro 2000 (71MM)
>
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| Subject: | Radio, severe background noise |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro listers,
My radio is a Microair 760 Transceiver of Australian make. Compared with
what
I do hear through my head set in several other planes I flew with, the
background
noise in my Allegro is much more severe.
Turning the squelch adjustment on the device does not change anything. I
think
I must conclude that the radio is not functioning well and must be repaired.
Did anyone of you experience the same problem with this radio? Any comments?
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71 MM)
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| From: | Threadcharmer(at)cs.com |
My Allegro also uses a Microair 760 and I have been experiencing the same
issue. My headset/com is a Lynx system. I'd also like to hear any ideas you
folks may have.
Amy Hackworth
N306AD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
This is a long-shot, but I had some vibration that turned out to be from
the plastic plug coming out of the gearbox shaft. It was inside the spinn
er and apparently that was enough to throw off the balance a bit.
Brad Kramer
N221FA
Bismarck/Mandan ND (Y19)
-----Original Message-----
From: theo van duin [mailto:t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 05:28 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
Fellow Allegro listers,
When flying my Allegro I regularly do hear a low frequency vibration nois
e (about 1 to 2 Hz)
in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL. Th
e prop is a
Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.
It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm ve
ry curious to
find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller
or an incorrectly
adjusted pitch of the blades?
Thanks for any comment on this,
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Radio, severe background noise |
Theo:
-
Sorry, I am not familier with this radio, so I can't comment specifically.
However, I will say that with any electrical system on-a Rotax 912 engine
, and especially if one has a radio, one needs to have at least a 22,000 mi
cro-farad capacitor in the electrical system to act as a filter for the AC
current noise generated by the rotax engine. You should check, or have some
one knowledgable check to see if your engine has this capacitor in the elec
trical system. If you would like to know where the capacitor is located I c
an fax you a copy of the Rotax 912 electrical diagram and mark where it sho
uld be in the electrical system. Just send me your fax number. If you have
a Rotax 912 Installation Manual dated May 1, 2007 the capacitor is shown as
item 14 on page 109.
-
Hugh
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin wrote:
From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Radio, severe background noise
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 12:01 PM
Fellow Allegro listers,
-
My radio is a Microair 760 Transceiver of Australian make. Compared with wh
at
I do hear through my head set in several other planes I flew with, the back
ground
noise in-my Allegro is much more severe.
-
Turning the squelch adjustment on the device does not change anything. I th
ink
I must conclude that the radio is not functioning well and must be repaired
.
-
Did anyone of you experience the same problem with this radio? Any comments
?
-
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71 MM)---
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
Theo:
-
Just "Google" the words Propeller Tracking and you will find the first list
ing to be a video of how to track a wooden propeller. The principal is the
same for a three blade prop. It is easy to do. For the 912 UL engine I woul
d suggest you remove one of the plugs from each of the four cylinders to re
lieve the cylinder compression before you track the prop. You can also chec
k with one of your airplane mechanic friends and he can explain tracking fu
rther if you need help.
-
The full take-off power of-your engine (5200 rpm) is somewhat low due to
the coarse pitch of the blades, but acceptable. Rotax's maximum engine take
-off speed is 5800 rpm for no more than 5 minutes, and the maximum continuo
us engine rpm is 5500 rpm. The maximum rpm for-your Woodcomp 3 blade prop
is 2700 rpm. At-your maximum-engine rpm of 5200 rpm, the prop speed is
only 2291 rpm which is well below the maximum allowed by Woodcomp. To incr
ease the maximum take-off speed of your engine you would need to decrease t
he propeller pitch slightly. Unless you have someone who knows how to do th
is, and has done it in the past, I would not attempt it yourself.
-
However, you can check the tracking of the blades, and I would recommend th
at you do so.
-
Hugh
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin wrote:
From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 11:21 AM
Hugh,
-
The noise was there from the first time we flew with the plane however rema
rkably it did not attrack Andr=E9's
attention, as he told me. Andr=E9 checked the pitch of the blades and these
were found to be O.K.
However, an experienced pilot/instructor told us once that to his opinion t
he pitch of the blades was adjusted too coarse. At full power the-tachome
ter reaches something like 5200 r.p.m.
-
I don't think that the tracking was checked and honestly I'm not quite sure
what "tracking" exactly means and
how this checking could be done.
-
About propeller damage: initialy there was none. At one occasion, the engin
e was started over a gravel path
and after that I found damages-on two blades: 3 small holes of the size o
f a match head.-
-
Maybe you are right about the cause of the vibration noise being something
electric. This brings me to the next problem I'ld like to resolve by puttin
g it on the Allegro list. My radio.
-
Thank you Hugh for your comments,
-------------------------
-------------------------
----- Theo van Duin (France)
-------------------------
-------------------------
-------Allegro 2000 (71MM)
-
-
-
2009/10/27, Hugh MCKAY III :
Theo:
-
When did you first begin to hear this noise? I may be wrong, but at one to
two Hz, I don't think it would be related to an out of balance prop because
the Woodcomp prop blades were balanced at the factory and matched to the h
ub by numbers 1 thru 3. Because of their construction, they have little rot
ational mass relative to the rotating mass of the engine. Therefore they wo
uld have little effect unless one has been damaged, or one is severely out
of pitch. Have you checked the tracking and pitch of your prop? If those tw
o items are correct I would begin to look elsewhere for the-cause, such a
s an electrical problem, but at such a low frequency it is hard to imagine
the problem being electrical. Others on this forum may have some better ide
as.
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
N661WW
Rotax 912
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin wrote:
-
From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:28 AM
Fellow Allegro listers,
-
When flying my Allegro I-regularly-do hear a low frequency vibration no
ise (about-1 to 2 Hz)
in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL. The
prop is a
Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.-
It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm very
curious to
find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller or
an incorrectly
adjusted pitch of the blades?
-
Thanks for any comment on this,
-
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71MM)-
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| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh, Amy and Brad,
Thanks for your comments. I will check on the items you mentioned. It's
obvious that the propeller tracking check is a must and rather
easy to perform.
Theo (in France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
2009/10/28, Hugh MCKAY III :
>
> Theo:
>
> Just "Google" the words *Propeller Tracking* and you will find the first
> listing to be a video of how to track a wooden propeller. The principal i
s
> the same for a three blade prop. It is easy to do. For the 912 UL engine
I
> would suggest you remove one of the plugs from each of the four cylinders
to
> relieve the cylinder compression before you track the prop. You can also
> check with one of your airplane mechanic friends and he can explain track
ing
> further if you need help.
>
> The full take-off power of your engine (5200 rpm) is somewhat low due to
> the coarse pitch of the blades, but acceptable. Rotax's maximum engine
> take-off speed is 5800 rpm for no more than 5 minutes, and the maximum
> continuous engine rpm is 5500 rpm. The maximum rpm for your Woodcomp 3 bl
ade
> prop is 2700 rpm. At your maximum engine rpm of 5200 rpm, the prop speed
is
> only 2291 rpm which is well below the maximum allowed by Woodcomp. To
> increase the maximum take-off speed of your engine you would need to
> decrease the propeller pitch slightly. Unless you have someone who knows
how
> to do this, and has done it in the past, I would not attempt it yourself.
>
> However, you can check the tracking of the blades, and I would recommend
> that you do so.
>
> Hugh
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin * wrote:
>
>
> From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
> To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 11:21 AM
>
> Hugh,
>
> The noise was there from the first time we flew with the plane however
> remarkably it did not attrack Andr=E9's
> attention, as he told me. Andr=E9 checked the pitch of the blades and the
se
> were found to be O.K.
> However, an experienced pilot/instructor told us once that to his opinion
> the pitch of the blades was adjusted too coarse. At full power
> the tachometer reaches something like 5200 r.p.m.
>
> I don't think that the tracking was checked and honestly I'm not quite su
re
> what "tracking" exactly means and
> how this checking could be done.
>
> About propeller damage: initialy there was none. At one occasion, the
> engine was started over a gravel path
> and after that I found damages on two blades: 3 small holes of the size o
f
> a match head.
>
> Maybe you are right about the cause of the vibration noise being somethin
g
> electric. This brings me to the next problem I'ld like to resolve by putt
ing
> it on the Allegro list. My radio.
>
> Thank you Hugh for your comments,
> Theo van Duin
> (France)
> Allegro 2000
> (71MM)
>
>
> 2009/10/27, Hugh MCKAY III http://us.mc838.mail.ya
hoo.com/mc/compose?to=hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>
> >:
>>
>> Theo:
>>
>> When did you first begin to hear this noise? I may be wrong, but at one
to
>> two Hz, I don't think it would be related to an out of balance prop beca
use
>> the Woodcomp prop blades were balanced at the factory and matched to the
hub
>> by numbers 1 thru 3. Because of their construction, they have little
>> rotational mass relative to the rotating mass of the engine. Therefore t
hey
>> would have little effect unless one has been damaged, or one is severely
out
>> of pitch. Have you checked the tracking and pitch of your prop? If those
two
>> items are correct I would begin to look elsewhere for the cause, such as
an
>> electrical problem, but at such a low frequency it is hard to imagine th
e
>> problem being electrical. Others on this forum may have some better idea
s.
>>
>> Hugh McKay
>> Allegro 2000
>> N661WW
>> Rotax 912
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin http://us.mc
838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin@gmail.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.co
m/mc/compose?to=t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
>> To: allegro-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose
?to=allegro-list(at)matronics.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:28 AM
>>
>> Fellow Allegro listers,
>>
>> When flying my Allegro I regularly do hear a low frequency vibration noi
se
>> (about 1 to 2 Hz)
>> in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL. T
he
>> prop is a
>> Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.
>> It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm
>> very curious to
>> find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller
>> or an incorrectly
>> adjusted pitch of the blades?
>>
>> Thanks for any comment on this,
>>
>> Theo van Duin, France
>> Allegro 2000 (71MM)
>>
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| Subject: | Installation of oil thermostat on Allegro 2000. |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Allegro listers,
This summer a remote "Perma-Cool" oil thermostat was installed on my Allegro
2000.
I'm concerned that the unit does not perform as it should do. At ambient
temperatures
of around 20 degrees C, the oil temperature reaches about 78 degrees C
during level flight
at 100 MPH and 2500 ft QFH. One may expect this reading in winter time to be
a lot lower,
I think.
The thermostat is placed quite remotely relative to the oil cooler coil,
which means that the
oil lines between the thermostat and the oil cooler coil are quite long.
Could this have any influence on the performance of the system?
Did anyone of you collect oil temperature readings with mentioned oil
thermostat installed, at different values of OAT, speed and altitude, that
he/she is willing to share?
I do hope that those of you, who have satisfying results with this
thermostat, will be so kind to share some assembly layout details with me.
Theo van Duin(France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Installation of oil thermostat on Allegro 2000. |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Theo,
While I dont have the oil thermostat installed on my allegro yet, Ive note that
a number of the posters on the matronics site with allegros have done it. All
of them report a reduced warm up time and an in flight temp of 180 to 185.
I would think that maybe the thermostat is not working correctly or possible was
installed incorrectly. When I was researching how to install the thermostat
I found a PDF document that shows how to install one on an Evektor Sportstar.
Ill attach that for your reference.
Take care and keep flying
Larry Edson
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| Subject: | Re: Installation of oil thermostat on Allegro 2000. |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Theo,
I have been through this many times and at length with Perma Cool and other pilots
on other planes. The temps you are reporting are quite normal. We see the
same temps around here using the same Perma Cool oil thermostat.
You can beat yourself up for months over this or fly and have fun.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Service Center
520-574-1080
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| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have an Allegro 2000 that needs the tires and tubes replaced on the main
gear. I am going to get new 400x6, 6 ply tires with matching tubes from Des
ser. It is my understanding that these tires will fit the rims as well as t
he Allegro wheel pants. It seems that the wheels for the main gear have spl
it rims. I have never changed a tire on a split rim. Must I remove the enti
re wheel from the gear, or simply deflate the tire and remove the outer par
t of the split rim leaving the inner part togather with the disc brake asse
mbly still bolted to the gear? I would appreciate some advice and counsel f
rom someone who has done this disassembly and re-assembly. Many thanks!
-
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
Hugh,
I have the Dresser tires they seem to work well. Deflate the tube. Take out
the several studs.. 7mm I think.... Just take off the outer part of the sp
lit rim... May require a little force to get the tire off the rim.. remove
old ,,, add new, maybe a little baby power.... replace your all set...
Brian
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Hugh MCKAY III wrote:
From: Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Allegro-List: Wheels
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:29 AM
I have an Allegro 2000 that needs the tires and tubes replaced on the main
gear. I am going to get new 400x6, 6 ply tires with matching tubes from Des
ser. It is my understanding that these tires will fit the rims as well as t
he Allegro wheel pants. It seems that the wheels for the main gear have spl
it rims. I have never changed a tire on a split rim. Must I remove the enti
re wheel from the gear, or simply deflate the tire and remove the outer par
t of the split rim leaving the inner part togather with the disc brake asse
mbly still bolted to the gear? I would appreciate some advice and counsel f
rom someone who has done this disassembly and re-assembly. Many thanks!=0A
-=0AHugh McKay=0AAllegro 2000=0ARotax 912 UL=0AN661WW=0A
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
Hugh,
When I've changed mine (also tubes/tires from Desser) I've removed the en
tire wheel. That's a good time to clean and inspect everything related to
the wheel, axle, brakes, etc.
Here are some good instructions on tire changing.
http://www.stausaonline.com/aircraft-tires/mounting.html
Use lots of talc when assembling and make sure the tube doesn't have a pi
nch or fold somewhere.
It's an easy project and is fun knowing the money that you're NOT spendin
g having somebody else do it.
...Brad
Allegro 2000, N221FA
Bismarck ND
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh MCKAY III [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 09:29 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Wheels
I have an Allegro 2000 that needs the tires and tubes replaced on the mai
n gear. I am going to get new 400x6, 6 ply tires with matching tubes from
Desser. It is my understanding that these tires will fit the rims as wel
l as the Allegro wheel pants. It seems that the wheels for the main gear
have split rims. I have never changed a tire on a split rim. Must I remov
e the entire wheel from the gear, or simply deflate the tire and remove t
he outer part of the split rim leaving the inner part togather with the d
isc brake assembly still bolted to the gear? I would appreciate some advi
ce and counsel from someone who has done this disassembly and re-assembly
. Many thanks!
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Suitable place for electric fuel pump? |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro listers,
Recently an electric fuel pump was installed in my Allegro 2000 (year 2001).
The pump is of make FACET-PUROLATOR and was placed in the motor compartment
on the bulkhead, close to where the fuel hose from the tank is fed through
the
firewall forward. It seemed to be a "logical position" to the persons who
did the job.
The electric pump is fitted parallel to the mechanical one.
The performance of the pump now appears to be too critical. Once, when the
engine
was hot and the pump was activated before starting the engine, it kept
"running dry" and
the fuel pressure gauge was not reacting at all.
Reading the installation instructions I learned that the pump was placed too
high
relative to the bottom of the fuel tank. The specification says: maximum 12
vertical inches.
So I think the position of the electric fuel pump must be changed.
I very much would like to know now: what is the, by the manufacturer
prescribed, installation position for the electric fuel pump on the Allegro
2000. Does anyone have a photograph or a sketch available for me? Thanks a
lot for your reaction.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Suitable place for electric fuel pump? |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
The factory installed the electric fuel pump in the central tunnel below the floor
boards in the cabin. The silver colored cylindrical item in the attached photo
is the factory supplied fuel pump. Note that this photo is from an Allegro
that also has the optional fuel tanks in the wing which is the reason for the
extra hoses, compared to those Allegros with only the belly tank. You will notice
that this installation has the electric fuel pump in series with the mechanical
pump instead of in parallel.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
The world is round; it has no point.
- Adrienne E. Gusoff
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| Subject: | Re: Suitable place for electric fuel pump? |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Thom, thank you for your comment. Do you think that installing the electric
fuel pump
in series with the mechanical pump is considered to be much less reliable
than installing it in parallel?
I never saw the inside construction of a mechanical pump. The only problem
of an in-series installation could be, to my opinion, a blockage of the fuel
flow due to a insidely damaged mechanical pump.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
2009/11/8, Thom Riddle :
>
>
> The factory installed the electric fuel pump in the central tunnel below
> the floor boards in the cabin. The silver colored cylindrical item in the
> attached photo is the factory supplied fuel pump. Note that this photo is
> from an Allegro that also has the optional fuel tanks in the wing which is
> the reason for the extra hoses, compared to those Allegros with only the
> belly tank. You will notice that this installation has the electric fuel
> pump in series with the mechanical pump instead of in parallel.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY
> Kolb Slingshot SS-021
> Jabiru 2200A #1574
> Tennessee Prop 64x31
>
> The world is round; it has no point.
> - Adrienne E. Gusoff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271670#271670
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/pauls_fuel_line_arrangement_135.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Suitable place for electric fuel pump? |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Obviously, the series installation works and the flow from the electric pump does
go through the mechanical pump when the engine is not running. However, my
preference is to install the auxiliary pump in parallel. FYI, the mechanical
pump is a simple diaphragm pump that is activated by a cam lobe on the propeller
shaft. Inspection of this cam lobe and pump is an item on the annual inspection
list and is very easy to do.
If you notice in the photo there is a line running along side of the electric fuel
pump. This line contains a check valve I think. I no longer own an Allegro
so I'm going by memory only. If the Facet pump is small enough and has a built
in check valve to prevent back flow, then there might be room in this under-floor
tunnel to install it in parallel with two fuel lines penetrating the firewall.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
The cat could very well be man's best friend but would never stoop to admitting
it.
- Doug Larson
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| Subject: | Re: Suitable place for electric fuel pump? |
Have you checked the Rotax service bulletin for the electric fuel pump? http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/SB-912-053.pdf
On the subject of pumps, I was flying yesterday at 500 feet for 20 minutes and
kept the electric pump on. The fuel pressure dropped to 0.3 bar. When I switched
it off, it returned to a normal 0.4 bar.
Has anyone else had this?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Radio, severe background noise |
| From: | "lucyreddy" <lucyreddy1234(at)gmail.com> |
Hello T.J,
Myself Lucy Reddy.As I know the MA-760 should always be turned off, before starting the aircraft to protect the radio from transient voltages. For more information visit the url : http://www.lowcountrysoaring.org/members/aircraft/pw5/microair_760.html.
--------
sdram
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| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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| Subject: | Re: Low frequency vibration noise |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro-Listers,
Talking with a light aircraft owner, I was told that some of his friends
experienced
a low frequency noise in the headset that appeared to be related to the
flashing action
of the strobe lights during flight. I will soon find out if this is true in
my case also.
Did anyone have this experience with an Allegro aircraft?
Theo (in France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
2009/10/30, theo van duin :
>
> Hugh, Amy and Brad,
>
> Thanks for your comments. I will check on the items you mentioned. It's
> obvious that the propeller tracking check is a must and rather
> easy to perform.
>
> Theo (in France)
> Allegro 2000 (71MM)
>
>
> 2009/10/28, Hugh MCKAY III :
>
>> Theo:
>>
>> Just "Google" the words *Propeller Tracking* and you will find the first
>> listing to be a video of how to track a wooden propeller. The principal
is
>> the same for a three blade prop. It is easy to do. For the 912 UL engine
I
>> would suggest you remove one of the plugs from each of the four cylinder
s to
>> relieve the cylinder compression before you track the prop. You can also
>> check with one of your airplane mechanic friends and he can explain trac
king
>> further if you need help.
>>
>> The full take-off power of your engine (5200 rpm) is somewhat low due to
>> the coarse pitch of the blades, but acceptable. Rotax's maximum engine
>> take-off speed is 5800 rpm for no more than 5 minutes, and the maximum
>> continuous engine rpm is 5500 rpm. The maximum rpm for your Woodcomp 3 b
lade
>> prop is 2700 rpm. At your maximum engine rpm of 5200 rpm, the prop speed
is
>> only 2291 rpm which is well below the maximum allowed by Woodcomp. To
>> increase the maximum take-off speed of your engine you would need to
>> decrease the propeller pitch slightly. Unless you have someone who knows
how
>> to do this, and has done it in the past, I would not attempt it yourself
.
>>
>> However, you can check the tracking of the blades, and I would recommend
>> that you do so.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
>> To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 11:21 AM
>>
>> Hugh,
>>
>> The noise was there from the first time we flew with the plane however
>> remarkably it did not attrack Andr=E9's
>> attention, as he told me. Andr=E9 checked the pitch of the blades and th
ese
>> were found to be O.K.
>> However, an experienced pilot/instructor told us once that to his opinio
n
>> the pitch of the blades was adjusted too coarse. At full power
>> the tachometer reaches something like 5200 r.p.m.
>>
>> I don't think that the tracking was checked and honestly I'm not quite
>> sure what "tracking" exactly means and
>> how this checking could be done.
>>
>> About propeller damage: initialy there was none. At one occasion, the
>> engine was started over a gravel path
>> and after that I found damages on two blades: 3 small holes of the size
of
>> a match head.
>>
>> Maybe you are right about the cause of the vibration noise being somethi
ng
>> electric. This brings me to the next problem I'ld like to resolve by put
ting
>> it on the Allegro list. My radio.
>>
>> Thank you Hugh for your comments,
>> Theo van Duin
>> (France)
>> Allegro 2000
>> (71MM)
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/27, Hugh MCKAY III http://us.mc838.mail.y
ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>
>> >:
>>>
>>> Theo:
>>>
>>> When did you first begin to hear this noise? I may be wrong, but at one
>>> to two Hz, I don't think it would be related to an out of balance prop
>>> because the Woodcomp prop blades were balanced at the factory and match
ed to
>>> the hub by numbers 1 thru 3. Because of their construction, they have l
ittle
>>> rotational mass relative to the rotating mass of the engine. Therefore
they
>>> would have little effect unless one has been damaged, or one is severel
y out
>>> of pitch. Have you checked the tracking and pitch of your prop? If thos
e two
>>> items are correct I would begin to look elsewhere for the cause, such a
s an
>>> electrical problem, but at such a low frequency it is hard to imagine t
he
>>> problem being electrical. Others on this forum may have some better ide
as.
>>>
>>> Hugh McKay
>>> Allegro 2000
>>> N661WW
>>> Rotax 912
>>>
>>> --- On *Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin http://us.m
c838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
>>> >* wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin@gmail.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.c
om/mc/compose?to=t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
>>> To: allegro-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compos
e?to=allegro-list(at)matronics.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:28 AM
>>>
>>> Fellow Allegro listers,
>>>
>>> When flying my Allegro I regularly do hear a low frequency vibration
>>> noise (about 1 to 2 Hz)
>>> in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL.
>>> The prop is a
>>> Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.
>>> It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm
>>> very curious to
>>> find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propelle
r
>>> or an incorrectly
>>> adjusted pitch of the blades?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any comment on this,
>>>
>>> Theo van Duin, France
>>> Allegro 2000 (71MM)
>>>
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| Subject: | Low frequency vibration noise |
If I listen carefully with the engine at idle I can hear a small click
when
the strobes flash, but otherwise I don't notice anything. I can also
hear a
slight noise sometimes when the transponder replies.
Of course that could be different for each plane depending on the radio,
intercom and headsets you're using.
In my case I'm using an iCom A200 radio, Flightcom intercom, KT76A
transponder and Telex ANR4150 headset.
...brad.
N221FA
Bismarck ND
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[mailto:owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of theo van
duin
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
Fellow Allegro-Listers,
Talking with a light aircraft owner, I was told that some of his friends
experienced
a low frequency noise in the headset that appeared to be related to the
flashing action
of the strobe lights during flight. I will soon find out if this is true
in
my case also.
Did anyone have this experience with an Allegro aircraft?
Theo (in France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
2009/10/30, theo van duin :
Hugh, Amy and Brad,
Thanks for your comments. I will check on the items you mentioned. It's
obvious that the propeller tracking check is a must and rather
easy to perform.
Theo (in France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
2009/10/28, Hugh MCKAY III :
Theo:
Just "Google" the words Propeller Tracking and you will find the first
listing to be a video of how to track a wooden propeller. The principal
is
the same for a three blade prop. It is easy to do. For the 912 UL engine
I
would suggest you remove one of the plugs from each of the four
cylinders to
relieve the cylinder compression before you track the prop. You can also
check with one of your airplane mechanic friends and he can explain
tracking
further if you need help.
The full take-off power of your engine (5200 rpm) is somewhat low due to
the
coarse pitch of the blades, but acceptable. Rotax's maximum engine
take-off
speed is 5800 rpm for no more than 5 minutes, and the maximum continuous
engine rpm is 5500 rpm. The maximum rpm for your Woodcomp 3 blade prop
is
2700 rpm. At your maximum engine rpm of 5200 rpm, the prop speed is only
2291 rpm which is well below the maximum allowed by Woodcomp. To
increase
the maximum take-off speed of your engine you would need to decrease the
propeller pitch slightly. Unless you have someone who knows how to do
this,
and has done it in the past, I would not attempt it yourself.
However, you can check the tracking of the blades, and I would recommend
that you do so.
Hugh
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, theo van duin wrote:
From: theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 11:21 AM
Hugh,
The noise was there from the first time we flew with the plane however
remarkably it did not attrack Andr=E9's
attention, as he told me. Andr=E9 checked the pitch of the blades and
these
were found to be O.K.
However, an experienced pilot/instructor told us once that to his
opinion
the pitch of the blades was adjusted too coarse. At full power the
tachometer reaches something like 5200 r.p.m.
I don't think that the tracking was checked and honestly I'm not quite
sure
what "tracking" exactly means and
how this checking could be done.
About propeller damage: initialy there was none. At one occasion, the
engine
was started over a gravel path
and after that I found damages on two blades: 3 small holes of the size
of a
match head.
Maybe you are right about the cause of the vibration noise being
something
electric. This brings me to the next problem I'ld like to resolve by
putting
it on the Allegro list. My radio.
Thank you Hugh for your comments,
Theo van Duin
(France)
Allegro 2000
(71MM)
2009/10/27, Hugh MCKAY III http://us.mc838.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hgmckay@bellsouth.net>
>:
Theo:
When did you first begin to hear this noise? I may be wrong, but at one
to
two Hz, I don't think it would be related to an out of balance prop
because
the Woodcomp prop blades were balanced at the factory and matched to the
hub
by numbers 1 thru 3. Because of their construction, they have little
rotational mass relative to the rotating mass of the engine. Therefore
they
would have little effect unless one has been damaged, or one is severely
out
of pitch. Have you checked the tracking and pitch of your prop? If those
two
items are correct I would begin to look elsewhere for the cause, such as
an
electrical problem, but at such a low frequency it is hard to imagine
the
problem being electrical. Others on this forum may have some better
ideas.
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
N661WW
Rotax 912
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Subject: Allegro-List: Low frequency vibration noise
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Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:28 AM
Fellow Allegro listers,
When flying my Allegro I regularly do hear a low frequency vibration
noise
(about 1 to 2 Hz)
in my headphone, especially during climb. The motor is a Rotax 912 UL.
The
prop is a
Woodcomp Klassic 160/31R.
It might not be a motor vibration, but coming from somewhere else. I'm
very
curious to
find out from where. Could it be related to an unbalance of my propeller
or
an incorrectly
adjusted pitch of the blades?
Thanks for any comment on this,
Theo van Duin, France
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
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| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
Attached-are-two photographs of the strobe bulb for the wing tips of th
e Allegro 2000 LSA. Does anyone know where these bulbs can be purchased. Th
ere are no markings on th bulb itself.=0A=0AHugh G. McKay =0AAllegro 2000
=0ARotax 912 UL=0AN661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
Maybe # 9 on this page?
http://www.strobelamps.com/products/warning.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh MCKAY III [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 08:27 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes
Attached are two photographs of the strobe bulb for the wing tips of the Allegro
2000 LSA. Does anyone know where these bulbs can be purchased. There are no
markings on th bulb itself.
Hugh G. McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Curiosity questions.
Have you asked Doug Hempstead about these parts?
Has Sadler begun supporting parts supply for Allegros?
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
- Will Durant
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
Hugh
I ordered the replacement from Doug... I could not get it to work. Then he
sent me a different bulb and a different power supply..
I'll get you the information.- It took a slight mod to the silver holder.
.. not to bad.. Works way better....I'll email it to you direct
Brian
n3081x
--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Hugh MCKAY III wrote:
From: Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Allegro-List: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:27 PM
Attached-are-two photographs of the strobe bulb for the wing tips of th
e Allegro 2000 LSA. Does anyone know where these bulbs can be purchased. Th
ere are no markings on th bulb itself.=0A-=0AHugh G. McKay =0AAllegro 200
0=0ARotax 912 UL=0AN661WW=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
Thom:=0A=0AI have tried to reach Doug Hemsted by email a number of times on
various subjects concerning the Allegro 2000. He has never replied to me!
I do not know if Fantasy Air USA, or Sadler is producing or supplying parts
for the Allegro 2000, or the Allegro 2007.=0A=0AHugh McKay=0AAllegro 2000
=0ARotax 912 UL=0AN661WW=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF
rom: Thom Riddle =0ATo: allegro-list(at)matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Sat, January 16, 2010 8:28:50 AM=0ASubject: Allegro-List: Re: Allegro 2
om Riddle" =0A=0ACuriosity questions.=0A=0A=0AHave you
asked Doug Hempstead about these parts?=0AHas Sadler begun supporting parts
supply for Allegros?=0A=0A--------=0AThom Riddle=0ABuffalo, NY=0AKolb Slin
gshot SS-021=0AJabiru 2200A #1574=0ATennessee Prop 64x31=0A=0A=0A=9CC
ivilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.
=9D=0A- Will Durant=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ah
ttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=281789#281789=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh,
When doing business with suppliers my preference is to use email to have a precise
record of the conversation but some businesses don't always respond to email.
When I owned an Allegro I found both Betty and Doug as well as their young
technical guy (can't remember his name) to answer or return phone calls promptly.
It was not always what I wanted but I did always get an answer of some sort
using the phone.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x31
Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
Hugh, you might want to contact David Littlejohn at Sadler Aircraft. He's
one of the 3 owners and managing partner of Sadler, which is the company
that established Allegro USA LLC in Oregon.
His email is davelittlejohn(at)gmail.com
...Brad.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle [mailto:riddletr(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 07:40 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes
ss with suppliers my preference is to use email to have a precise record
of the conversation but some businesses don't always respond to email. Wh
en I owned an Allegro I found both Betty and Doug as well as their young
technical guy (can't remember his name) to answer or return phone calls p
romptly. It was not always what I wanted but I did always get an answer o
f some sort using the phone. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slings
hot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop 64x31 Write a wise saying an
d your name will live forever. =C2 - Anonymous Read this topic online her
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh,
Could you please inform me about the height of the glass part and the stitch
dimension of the two bare connecting wires?
One potential supplier asked me that.
Thanks for your reply,
Theo
2010/1/16 Hugh MCKAY III
> Attached are two photographs of the strobe bulb for the wing tips of the
> Allegro 2000 LSA. Does anyone know where these bulbs can be purchased. There
> are no markings on th bulb itself.
>
> Hugh G. McKay
> Allegro 2000
> Rotax 912 UL
> N661WW
>
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| From: | Hugh MCKAY III <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
Theo: The height of the glass part from the base of the strobe bulb to the
tip is 45mm. The dimension between the two bare wires is 13.5mm=0A, and the
diameter of the glass tube is 6 mm. Can you confirm to me that the navagit
ion bulbs in your plane are of the type shown in my photograph?=0A=0AHugh
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: theo van duin <t.j.van
duin(at)gmail.com>=0ATo: allegro-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, January 21, 2
010 1:35:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: Allegro-List: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip
strobes=0A=0A=0AHugh,=0A=0ACould you please inform me about the height of
the glass part and the stitch dimension of the two bare connecting wires?
=0AOne potential supplier asked me that.=0A=0AThanks for your reply,=0A-
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-------- Theo=0A=0A=0A-=0A2010/1/16 Hugh MCKAY III =0A=0AAttached-are-two photographs of the strobe bulb
for the wing tips of the Allegro 2000 LSA. Does anyone know where these bul
bs can be purchased. There are no markings on th bulb itself.=0A>=0A>Hugh G
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh,
Thank you for giving me the dimensions of the strobe tube. Unfortunately I
=B4m
500 miles away from the plane now, so I can=B4t check
if your navigation bulbs are the same as the ones in my Allegro. As far as
I
remember, mines do have a spherical glass globe.
But I like to replace my bulbs by your version with the colored sleeves, if
possible. I suggest to return to this subject after I=B4m back in France,
around mid of February.
Kind regards,
Theo
2010/1/22 Hugh MCKAY III
> Theo: The height of the glass part from the base of the strobe bulb to
> the tip is 45mm. The dimension between the two bare wires is 13.5mm
> , and the diameter of the glass tube is 6 mm. Can you confirm to me that
> the navagition bulbs in your plane are of the type shown in my photograph
?
>
> Hugh
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* theo van duin
>
> *To:* allegro-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Thu, January 21, 2010 1:35:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Allegro-List: Allegro 2000 Bulbs for wing tip strobes
>
> Hugh,
>
> Could you please inform me about the height of the glass part and the
> stitch dimension of the two bare connecting wires?
> One potential supplier asked me that.
>
> Thanks for your reply,
> Theo
>
>
> 2010/1/16 Hugh MCKAY III
>
>> Attached are two photographs of the strobe bulb for the wing tips of th
e
>> Allegro 2000 LSA. Does anyone know where these bulbs can be purchased. T
here
>> are no markings on th bulb itself.
>>
>> Hugh G. McKay
>> Allegro 2000
>> Rotax 912 UL
>> N661WW
>>
>
> <=================
>
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Allegro 2000 Gascolator |
Does any one out there know the make and supplier of the fuel
filter/gascolator (no wing tanks version) that came with the Allegro
2000 Q-Built Kit? If so, where can one find this filter/gascolator?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 Gascolator |
You could probably find out the source and maybe get the parts from David
at Sadler Aircraft
919-264-6000
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh McKay [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Allegro 2000 Gascolator
Does any one out there know the make and supplier of the fuel filter/gasc
olator (no wing tanks version) that came with the Allegro 2000 Q-Built Ki
t? If so, where can one find this filter/gascolator?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
N661WW
=
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| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Last July we were told that Allegro was going to be manufactured in Oregon under
the name of Allegro, LLc. I've checked the Internet and other than the announcements
about Allegro now being manufactured in Roseburg, Oregon there is nothing.
I can't even find an Allegro, LLc website. I've also looked in the FAA
aircraft registration for any new Allegros and can't see that any have been
registered. This leads me to believe that there may not be a company called Allegro
LLc like we have been told. Does anyone our there have any insight into
this?
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
Larry,
I may be wrong, but I tend to agree with you. I own an Allegro 2000 and have
over the past few months tried to get information concerning parts for the
Allegro 2000 out
of B bar D Aviation in Sandford, NC, as well as the Vampire Aircraft in
Oregon where the supposedly new Allegro manufacturing plant is located. All
my efforts have been fruitless.
I get no response from B bar D Aviation (the worldwide distributer). In
talking to the individual at Sadler Aircraft in Oregon I was informed the
because of insufficient orders coming
in for the Allegro, there is insufficient money available to get the new
plant into operation. He was quite pessimistic. It appears that because of
the poor economy and the high cost of
these planes the new company (whoever that is) cannot get financing to
re-birth the factory! Larry, where are you located?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
N661WW
Rotax 912 UL
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From: "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Allegro, LLc
>
> Last July we were told that Allegro was going to be manufactured in Oregon
> under the name of Allegro, LLc. I've checked the Internet and other than
> the announcements about Allegro now being manufactured in Roseburg, Oregon
> there is nothing. I can't even find an Allegro, LLc website. I've also
> looked in the FAA aircraft registration for any new Allegros and can't see
> that any have been registered. This leads me to believe that there may
> not be a company called Allegro LLc like we have been told. Does anyone
> our there have any insight into this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry
> N4362C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=285997#285997
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
I'm located in the Dayton Ohio area, I fly out of Greene County Airport (I19).
I'm beginning to believe that we may be in trouble trying to get any manufacturing
support for these aircraft. Allegro USA,LLC is going to have a very hard
row to hoe if they are trying to start a business without a line of credit.
If you don't make an investment in startup or as far as that goes don't invest
in marketing your product, you're doomed to fail. And I believe that is what
we're looking at.
Larry
N4362C
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
I assume you fly an Allegro. Is it a SLA, or ELSA? Is it a 2000 model or a
2007 model?
Hugh
661WW
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From: "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Allegro, LLc
>
> I'm located in the Dayton Ohio area, I fly out of Greene County Airport
> (I19). I'm beginning to believe that we may be in trouble trying to get
> any manufacturing support for these aircraft. Allegro USA,LLC is going to
> have a very hard row to hoe if they are trying to start a business without
> a line of credit. If you don't make an investment in startup or as far as
> that goes don't invest in marketing your product, you're doomed to fail.
> And I believe that is what we're looking at.
>
> Larry
> N4362C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286019#286019
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
N4362C is an Allegro 2000 and is registered as an S-LSA.
Larry
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
A lineman at SDM ran into my Allegro and damaged my right wing and aileron. Doug
at B bar D got me an aileron, wing tips and light covers. I just picked up
my plane and everything is OK. In Socal there's a great Rotax & LSA guy at F70.
There's an article in the March AOPA Flight Training mag about my trip around
the 48 in my Allegro.
-----Original Message-----
From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:21
Subject: Allegro-List: Allegro, LLc
Last July we were told that Allegro was going to be manufactured in Oregon under
the name of Allegro, LLc. I've checked the Internet and other than the announcements
about Allegro now being manufactured in Roseburg, Oregon there is nothing.
I can't even find an Allegro, LLc website. I've also looked in the FAA
aircraft registration for any new Allegros and can't see that any have been
registered. This leads me to believe that there may not be a company called Allegro
LLc like we have been told. Does anyone our there have any insight into
this?
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Hi Jim!
I just read the article you mentioned, good read! Glad to hear you got you airplane
back in the air. Did the parts that Hempstead send you come from his stock
at B Bar D or were they new parts from manufacturing in Oregon? I'm just
trying to figure out if they have Allegro USA up and running.
Larry
N4362C
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286055#286055
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
Hi All...
Since I purchased my Allegro almost two years ago I've stayed in touch wi
th David Littlejohn at Sadler Aircraft. My understanding is that David an
d a couple partners own the rights, parts and tooling for the Allegro. My
last communication with David a few weeks ago indicated that they plan t
o produce more planes, but not until economic conditions improve enough t
o justify manufacturing.
I haven't heard about financing issues there, but wouldn't be surprised..
. as a fellow small-business owner. That's always an issue.
Personally I'm not losing sleep about us having an orphan plane... at lea
st not any more than when I've owned some so-called classic planes that w
ere no longer in production. Yes, I wish Allegro's were rolling off the a
ssembly line again. But until then I still love our practical and fun-fly
ing plane. As long as we have a reasonable availability of parts and the
plane is insurable, I'll just keep flyin' and smilin'.
Brad Kramer
Allegro N221FA, EAA 394357
Bismarck ND
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro, LLc |
Larry,
The aileron came from Oregon. I don't know about the other parts.
With the new altitude rule, I'm going to try and go to Leadville, CO (LXV) this
spring.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 18:07
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Allegro, LLc
Hi Jim!
I just read the article you mentioned, good read! Glad to hear you got you airplane
back in the air. Did the parts that Hempstead send you come from his stock
at B Bar D or were they new parts from manufacturing in Oregon? I'm just
trying to figure out if they have Allegro USA up and running.
Larry
N4362C
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| Subject: | Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Actually I bought the one Joe Carswell built in 2004. I have only been up in it
twice... I am already fixing an issue with the Brakes... apparently when the
plane was serviced last (not by Joe) the master cylinder was topped off with
5606... But once I get the master cylinder seals replaced... I am good to go
again. I have not been able to find anyone who could tell me the model for
the brake/wheel assembly.. I have heard they were made by Evektor... but i havent
found anything that looked similar on their web site... I dont really need
the parts at the moment... but I would like to be able to order spare parts
if I do need them.
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| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Hello Timpry,
For my Allegro 2000, based in France, I ordered and received spare brake
discs at
Evektor- Aerotechnik in the Czech Republik.
The english speaking sales employee there is mr. Miroslav Jezek. He appeared
to be very cooperative.
His email address is: mjezek(at)evektor.cz
Kind regards,
Theo van Duin
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
LFQF France
Jezek Miroslav details verbergen 23-03-09 aan theo
van duin datum 23 mrt. 2009 10:07 onderwerp RE:
Brake discs for Fantasy Air Allegro 2000 verzonden door evektor.cz
Dear Mr. van Duin,
The invoice with details is enclosed.
The parts will be shipped after we have the money on our account.
If you agree please let me know your phone number (for delivery courier to
cotact you).
Thanks and best regards,
Miroslav Jezek
Evektor-Aerotechnik
2010/2/18, timpry :
>
>
> Actually I bought the one Joe Carswell built in 2004. I have only been up
> in it twice... I am already fixing an issue with the Brakes... apparently
> when the plane was serviced last (not by Joe) the master cylinder was topped
> off with 5606... But once I get the master cylinder seals replaced... I am
> good to go again. I have not been able to find anyone who could tell me the
> model for the brake/wheel assembly.. I have heard they were made by
> Evektor... but i havent found anything that looked similar on their web
> site... I dont really need the parts at the moment... but I would like to
> be able to order spare parts if I do need them.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286964#286964
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Welcome to the list! I'm sure you'll find it informative and useful. I know I
do. The parts that you require can be purchase from B Bar D Aviation. Just
call them @ 919-775-2224 and they will help you out.
enjoy the Allegro!
Larry Edson
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
Larry,
Where are you located?
I fly an Allegro 2000 out of N92 in NC.
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
N661WW
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From: "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
>
> Welcome to the list! I'm sure you'll find it informative and useful. I
> know I do. The parts that you require can be purchase from B Bar D
> Aviation. Just call them @ 919-775-2224 and they will help you out.
>
> enjoy the Allegro!
>
> Larry Edson
> Allegro 2000
> N4362C
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=286976#286976
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
I'm located in the Dayton Ohio area. I fly out of Greene County Airport (I19).
Larry Edson
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
Larry,
How's the flying?
Jim
N44469
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From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 19:40
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
I'm located in the Dayton Ohio area. I fly out of Greene County Airport (I19).
Larry Edson
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Hey Jim!
Not much flying right now....the weather has shut that down for the time being.
Lots of snow and low ceilings. We have about 2 foot on the ground right now
and there is more on the way this weekend. I may not get a chance to fly for
another week or two.
Larry
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim
So where is 44469 now. I have not seen it at KFFZ for a while. I did see yo
ur post that it that it had been damaged.. All fixed up now I hope???- I
am in Mesa about twice a month... We need to get together!!!!- Or you can
come to KTLY in Taylor some day!- I'll pick you up and buy you a slice o
f pie at Trappers...
-
Brian
Allegro 2000
N3081X
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From: Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net>
Subject: RE: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:14 PM
Larry,
How's the flying?
Jim
N44469
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From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 19:40
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
I'm located in the Dayton Ohio area.- I fly out of Greene County Airport
(I19).
Larry Edson
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
Timpry,
-
Did you ever get your brake questions answered???
If not please email me as I have some answers for you...
-
Brian Allegro 2000\
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n3081x(at)yahoo.com
--- On Thu, 2/18/10, timpry wrote:
From: timpry <timpry(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Just bought an Allegro 2000
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:58 AM
Actually I bought the one Joe Carswell built in 2004.- I have only been u
p in it twice...- I am already fixing an issue with the Brakes... apparen
tly when the plane was serviced last (not by Joe) the master cylinder was t
opped off with 5606...---But once I get the master cylinder seals rep
laced... I am good to go again.- I have not been able to find anyone who
could tell me the model for the brake/wheel assembly.. I have heard they we
re made by Evektor... but i havent found anything that looked similar on th
eir web site...- I dont really need the parts at the moment... but I woul
d like to be able to order spare parts if I do need them.
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000 |
Larry,
-
Your airplane has gotten around!!
>From North Carolina to Mesa Az(Where I first saw it), To Washington now to
Ohio..
-
Welcome, there is a lot of good information to be had here.. What did you f
ly before the Allegro, or are you a new pilot. I bought mine(n3081x) when I
had 5 hours in n44469 (Jim Hazens airplane) before he bought it..They fly
different depending on what you have flown!!
Talk to you soon,
Brian
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Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM
Hey Jim!
Not much flying right now....the weather has shut that down for the time be
ing.- Lots of snow and low ceilings.- We have about 2 foot on the groun
d right now and there is more on the way this weekend.- I may not get a c
hance to fly for another week or two.-
Larry
Allegro 2000
N4362C
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
Brian,
All fixed. I flew it home to Falcon last Saturday. As soon as I get my BFR, I'm
off to TX to visit my son. Are you getting any stick time? Projects for this
year: Route 66, Oshkosh, Lewis and Clark trail. With the new altitude rule
I want to go to Leadville.
Jim
N44469
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From: Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:03
Subject: Allegro-List: RE: Jim Hazen
Jim
So where is 44469 now. I have not seen it at KFFZ for a while. I did see your post
that it that it had been damaged.. All fixed up now I hope??? I am in Mesa
about twice a month... We need to get together!!!! Or you can come to KTLY in
Taylor some day! I'll pick you up and buy you a slice of pie at Trappers...
Brian
Allegro 2000
N3081X
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From: Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net>
Subject: RE: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:14 PM
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
JIm..
Some,, when the weather clears and winds get below 15... I'm glad44469 -i
s back- I missed seein it there.. Sometimes when my wife and go to Mesa w
e get some dinner to go and just sit at Kffz and watch plane take off and l
and...I have a house 1 block away..My 19 year old son- now has about 3 ho
urs solo and flys better than me... Dang young kids....He goes to school in
Flagstaff and will finish up this summer I guess.. Did Matt do your Check
ride??
I wonder how Jason B. is doing..
Brian
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From: Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net>
Subject: RE: Allegro-List: RE: Jim Hazen
Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:30 AM
Brian,
All fixed.- I flew it home to Falcon last Saturday.- As soon as I get m
y BFR, I'm off to TX to visit my son. Are you getting any stick time? Proje
cts for this year: Route 66, Oshkosh, Lewis and Clark trail.- With the ne
w altitude rule I want to go to Leadville.
Jim
N44469
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From: Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:03
Subject: Allegro-List: RE: Jim Hazen
Jim
So where is 44469 now. I have not seen it at KFFZ for a while. I did see yo
ur post that it that it had been damaged.. All fixed up now I hope???- I
am in Mesa about twice a month... We need to get together!!!!- Or you can
come to KTLY in Taylor some day!- I'll pick you up and buy you a slice o
f pie at Trappers...
-
Brian
Allegro 2000
N3081X
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Subject: RE: Allegro-List: Re: Just bought an Allegro 2000
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:14 PM
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
Brian,
I spoke with Jason about a week ago. He's doing a lot of flying at Skywest. As
soon as he has time, he'll do my BFR. Call me next time you're in Mesa
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| Subject: | Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Well... I have disassembled the brake assembly on my Allegro... and the piston
is frozen solid. The cost of getting that fixed & ordering a set of brake linings
is nearing the cost of new wheel/brake assemblies from matco... which has
got me debating the idea of replacing the existing wheel / brake assemblies
with matco... and I figured I would hit you guys up to see if anyone has already
done anything like this ?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Timpry,
Glad to see that you're working out the problems with your airplane. Talking about
the matco brakes to replace your existing brakes that are in fact Evektor
brakes is the way to go. I know that the later model Evektor sportstars have
been equipped with the matco brakes because of the cost and availability of the
Evektor brakes. There is also the fact that you have to consider how your
plane is registered. If it's registered as a S-LSA or E-LSA you have to get authorization
from the manufacturer to change the parts. That shouldn't be a problem.
To stay out of trouble, you would need a letter of authorization from
Doug Hempstead at B Bar D Aviation to proceed.
Make sure you do us all a favor and post your experiences during the brake change
out. I for one have considered what you are talking about doing and would learn
from your experiences.
Take care, and I hope you're flying soon!
Larry
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
When I built my Allegro 2000 E-LSA the instruction manual stated that
the flaps in the "0" position (cruise) were to be four and one half
degrees above the neutral position of the ailerons (I.e. a slight
negative flap position). I have set my flaps this way. I have since seen
other Allegro 2000 SALSA planes that do not have this negative flap
position. In those planes ("0" flap position) the flaps are even with
the ailerons in the neutral position. Which is correct? In what position
do others have their "0" flaps set?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flaps |
As I recall mine are even with the ailerons. It may be nice to have a neg
ative setting if that makes running at cruise speed a little more efficie
nt. I'm not sure, however, that I would want to cruise much closer to Vne
. There isn't a large margin as it is.
On a different subject... any Allegro owners near Spokane WA? I'm in town
for a couple days and am always interested in catching up with other own
ers and seeing their planes.
Brad Kramer
Allegro N221FA
Bismarck ND
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh McKay [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 06:49 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Negative Flaps
When I built my Allegro 2000 E-LSA the instruction manual stated that the
flaps in the "0" position (cruise) were to be four and one half degrees
above the neutral position of the ailerons (I.e. a slight negative flap p
osition). I have set my flaps this way. I have since seen other Allegro 2
000 SALSA planes that do not have this negative flap position. In those p
lanes ("0" flap position) the flaps are even with the ailerons in the neu
tral position. Which is correct? In what position do others have their "0
" flaps set?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flaps |
My 2006 Allegro has negative flaps. A few thoughts....
The design is for neg flaps. If the flaps are set 0, then about 5 degrees is added
to the flap settings (unless the microswitch positions are altered). That
means take off at 20 deg not 15 which may lengthen the run. Also full would be
53 deg which suggests the Vfe should be reduced. Are the hinges etc designed
to allow for that extra force with 10% more full flap?
Neg flaps improve the performance by reducing drag ( exactly in the opposite way
to having flaps down.) Climb, cruise, glide and economy will be better.
Althoug neg flaps are more associated with gliders, more SLAs have them such as
the good-performance Virus and CT2
One downside is that neg flaps reduce the washout. In theory, the aileron span
will stall earlier (in a clean stall) than the flapped span because it is at a
higher angle of attack. In practice, the Allegro design has enough washout built
in so this does not happen. However, I fitted vortex generators to my plane
with closer spacing outboard and this noticably reduced the wing drop at the
stall.
My suggestion is don't alter a basic design parameter.
Paul
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| Subject: | Flap failure - broken wires |
There is a vertical post next to the flap motor with 3 microswitches to control
flap travel. A computer ribbon with 9 wires is used to connect to it.
I have had 2 flap failures because of broken wires.
The problem is that the gage of the wire in the ribbon is very small . I fly from
a grass strip that is not smooth and the solder joints can break especially
the top ones which are longest and most affected by vibration.
One solution is to connect the ribbon to heavier 18 gage wire and solder that to
the terminals which have a hole so they can be well secured.
When I checked all the joints before repairing, another joint broke just by touching
it. This may be an issue for older planes or those not operating from smooth
runways.
Paul
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| Subject: | Front suspension noise |
The climate in Thailand is not good for rubber products. On our 4 year old plane,
the rubber on the nose leg has worn or shrunk so there was a clonking noise
whenever the suspension moved.
The solution was to insert a 1 mm brass spacer ring between the rubber block and
the collar underneath it. It is an easy job. After unbolting the nose fork,
the rivetted collar above can be removed and the spacer inserted.
Paul
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I have had problems 4 times with inner tubes.
2 punctures, 1 valve failure and 1 where the side of the tube wore through.
The inner tubes are made in Vietnam and I am not sure the quality is good. I always
had difficulty attaching footpump hoses to them and replaced them with new
inner tubes with valves at 90 degrees which also solves the problem of getting
to the the valves with wheelpants on.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flaps |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Brad,
Have you actually measured the flap position when set to "0"? When I owned N221FA
I checked the flaps in "0" position and they looked slightly reflexed to me,
but I didn't actually measure them. 4 1/2 degrees is pretty small amount visually
on a short chord flap but enough aerodynamically on a clean airframe to
make a difference.
If you decide to measure them, you might want to consider putting a little upwards
pressure on them when measuring to take out the slack in the control system.
Not sure which way the aerodynamic forces will push them in the "0" position
but a little bit of slack would affect the measurement noticeably. Unless the
manual says to make this measurement by comparing to the ailerons, I think it
would be more appropriate to measure against the bottom camber of the wing just
ahead of the flap. One reason for this is that the aileron rigging could be
uneven from one side to the other for fine tuning of roll trim.
Thom
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Flap failure - broken wires |
Paul, Jim, Brad, Thom, et al,
Paul, thanks for your insight concerning the negative flap question I
posted. Mine will stay at 4.5 degrees negative.
Concerning the broken wire problem on the electric flap drive; I too fly out
of a turf runway and I have had the same broken wire problem, but only
once. However, another problem that I have had is related to the screw drive
for the flaps and the flexible metal plate that trips the micro switches.
When the screw drive motor engages the round vertical screw housing that
holds the flexible metal plate rotates slightly (slack) as the screw
engages. This slight rotation of course causes the attached flexible metal
plate to shift slightly. In my case this slight rotational slack caused the
metal plate to shift out of position just enough to cause the micro switch
to catch on the edge and bend the switch arm and break the switch. This
happened two times before I figured out what was happening. The flexible
metal plate was not wide enough to compensate for this rotational slack. My
solution to the problem was to fabricate a wider flexible metal plate. This
took care of the problem.
The original tires for the Allegro 2000 are cheap thin wall tires that have
poor rigidity, and yes the inner tubes are poor quality. I have had only one
flat tire in 3 years of flying, and that was a slow leak down over night
while sitting in the hanger. Thank goodness it was slow and while I was on
the ground. After taking the tire off and checking the tire and tube I found
that the side wall of the tire was cracked in three small places at the
points where the tire mould came together to form the outer shape of the
tire. One of the other tires was also beginning to crack at the mould seams.
This slight crack, combined with the already weak side wall strength which
allowed the tire itself to flex more than it should on normal on landings,
created a situation that allowed a slight pinching to occur on the inner
tube where the crack was located. This flexing of the side wall, the slight
crack in the side wall, and the resulting minute pinching on the inner tube
over time worked it's way through the tube resulting in the final leak down
over night.
As a result of this I changed all of my tires to 8 ply tires with tubes. I
suggest that everyone who has the original tires on their Allegro check them
carefully and on a regular basis before every flight. If you find any
visible cracking of the side wall, get new tires!
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912
N661WW
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From: "aerosiam" <pk@aero-siam.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:26 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Flap failure - broken wires
>
> There is a vertical post next to the flap motor with 3 microswitches to
> control flap travel. A computer ribbon with 9 wires is used to connect to
> it.
> I have had 2 flap failures because of broken wires.
>
> The problem is that the gage of the wire in the ribbon is very small . I
> fly from a grass strip that is not smooth and the solder joints can break
> especially the top ones which are longest and most affected by vibration.
>
> One solution is to connect the ribbon to heavier 18 gage wire and solder
> that to the terminals which have a hole so they can be well secured.
>
> When I checked all the joints before repairing, another joint broke just
> by touching it. This may be an issue for older planes or those not
> operating from smooth runways.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flaps |
Hi Thom,
Somehow I just KNEW I should ask you about our plane, instead of firing o
ff answers when I'm in a hotel and not at the airport. You're right... 4.
5 degrees is very little to see given the length of the flaps. So... Hugh
, let me retract my answer and defer to others who have actually made som
e measurements.
Thom... hoping you make it to OSH. I'm 80% sure I'll be there working dep
arture briefings and being a tent rat again. (Hopefully with the Allegro,
instead of Delta Airlines).
...brad.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom Riddle [mailto:riddletr(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 06:54 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Negative Flaps
measured the flap position when set to "0"? When I owned N221FA I checke
d the flaps in "0" position and they looked slightly reflexed to me, but
I didn't actually measure them. 4 1/2 degrees is pretty small amount visu
ally on a short chord flap but enough aerodynamically on a clean airframe
to make a difference. If you decide to measure them, you might want to c
onsider putting a little upwards pressure on them when measuring to take
out the slack in the control system. Not sure which way the aerodynamic f
orces will push them in the "0" position but a little bit of slack would
affect the measurement noticeably. Unless the manual says to make this me
asurement by comparing to the ailerons, I think it would be more appropri
ate to measure against the bottom camber of the wing just ahead of the fl
ap. One reason for this is that the aileron rigging could be uneven from
one side to the other for fine tuning of roll trim. Thom -------- Thom Ri
ddle Buffalo, NY Kolb Slingshot SS-021 Jabiru 2200A #1574 Tennessee Prop
64x32 An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory. - Friedrich Engels Rea
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flaps |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Brad,
Now my curiosity has been piqued. When you get back home and have a chance, it
would be nice to know if your Allegro does have reflexed flaps as I suspect it
does.
Without a digital angle instrument it is very easy to determine the reflex (if
any) by simply measuring the distance from the top of a straight edge laid along
the bottom camber of the wing up to the trailing edge of the flap. That divided
by the chord of the flap gives you sine of the angle you are looking for.
Arcsine of that number gives you the angle. It would not surprise me to learn
that there is some difference between the two flaps because that is another
way to adjust roll trim.
Thom
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Well I contacted Matco about replacement parts... and placed an order for wheels,
brakes and axles... I also hit up Doug Hempstead and asked about a letter of
authorization... Since my plane is E LSA he said I wouldnt need one.
Still waiting on the parts to be delivered.. so I can start the project... I may
post pics of the actual work online... I will post an address here if I do.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Thanks for keeping us updated. I for one,am very interested in your experience
with this conversion. I would like to see what you take is on the procedure
as well as the cost impact.
I hope to see that you're flying soon!
Larry
N4362c
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
I am having a problem with the hydraulic brakes on my Allegro 2000
apparently sticking. In the morning the brakes are free with no rubbing
of the pads. After flying and landing one or two times the pads are
apparently sticking to the discs. There is no pressure on the hydraulic
system so I assume the little hydraulic piston has not moved back enough
to take the pressure off the pads. Has any one else had this problem?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Well here is what I got done this weekend.
1. The matco axles are not exact replacements for the Evektor axles. They fit
& have the same bolt pattern.. but the matco axles have 6mm holes for the attach
bolts.. and the Evektor axle has 8mm holes. So we fabricated some sleeves
from steel tubing that had an 8mm OD and a 6mm ID. so that we could use put
6mm bolts through the 8mm holes in the legs..
2. the matco wheel is a 600x6 not 400x6. so I am going to have to buy new tires
and tubes... and fabricate larger wheel pants if I plan on using them.
3. I have decided to replace the brake lines & master cylinder rather than attempt
to clean out the dot 4 fluid. why risk contamination is my thought.
Also the evektor axle is threaded so the attach bolts bolt directly into it. ..
the matco axle is not.. new attach bolts, washers & self locking nuts were required.
and I did have to do a little fitting on the leg to give the brakes
clearance.
If aircraft spruce gets my order delivered this week.. I should be able to get
finished this weekend.
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| From: | Jim Hazen <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
Are you going to change the nose tire? I have thought about bigger tires for back
country dirt strips but nosewheel clearance seems to be an issue.
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From: timpry <timpry(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:33
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro
Well here is what I got done this weekend.
1. The matco axles are not exact replacements for the Evektor axles. They fit
& have the same bolt pattern.. but the matco axles have 6mm holes for the attach
bolts.. and the Evektor axle has 8mm holes. So we fabricated some sleeves
from steel tubing that had an 8mm OD and a 6mm ID. so that we could use put
6mm bolts through the 8mm holes in the legs..
2. the matco wheel is a 600x6 not 400x6. so I am going to have to buy new tires
and tubes... and fabricate larger wheel pants if I plan on using them
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
I was not planning on replacing the nose wheel.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Well I am still not quite done with this project.. The primary problem was the
T fitting I bought from aircraft spruce was supposed to have 1 1/8" npt and
2 1/8" compression fittings. It had 3 1/8" compression fittings instead.. I
am ordering a second T fitting in the hope that it will be correct.
The new wheels, tires, brakes, brake lines & master cylinder are installed.. everything
is looking fine.
Major parts list:
Matco MHMHE6B1.25 EV (matco wheel / brake assembly)
Matco WHLAXLE3EV (matco axle)
matco Mc-5 master cylinder
MCCREARY AIRTRAC 600-6 tires
high pressure tubing, right angle and t fittings, aircraft quality bolts, washers,
lock nuts.
I would probably recommend using 1/4" brake line.. since it is a LOT easier to
find fittings in this size.. in the event you are missing something.. say a T
fitting...
Total cost of materials was about $900
total time invested so far.. about 20 man hours.
I will probably post pictures of the finished product once everything is complete.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Here are a couple of pics
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
Please do post pictures of this project. I have an Allegro 2000 and am
having the hydraulic brakes tend to periodically stick (i.e. the shoe not
relaxing off of the disc). I think this may be be caused by the small
hydraulic piston in the caliper sticking. It does not do do this all the
time, and I only see it after I have landed and am trying to move the plane
by hand. If the plane sits over night the problem is gone. Anyway, if I
can't find out how to correct this problem on the brakes I now have I may
have to change in the future.
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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From: "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:47 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro
>
> Well I am still not quite done with this project.. The primary problem
> was the T fitting I bought from aircraft spruce was supposed to have 1
> 1/8" npt and 2 1/8" compression fittings. It had 3 1/8" compression
> fittings instead.. I am ordering a second T fitting in the hope that it
> will be correct.
>
> The new wheels, tires, brakes, brake lines & master cylinder are
> installed.. everything is looking fine.
>
> Major parts list:
> Matco MHMHE6B1.25 EV (matco wheel / brake assembly)
> Matco WHLAXLE3EV (matco axle)
> matco Mc-5 master cylinder
> MCCREARY AIRTRAC 600-6 tires
>
> high pressure tubing, right angle and t fittings, aircraft quality bolts,
> washers, lock nuts.
>
> I would probably recommend using 1/4" brake line.. since it is a LOT
> easier to find fittings in this size.. in the event you are missing
> something.. say a T fitting...
> Total cost of materials was about $900
> total time invested so far.. about 20 man hours.
>
>
> I will probably post pictures of the finished product once everything is
> complete.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293954#293954
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
I have Matco brakes on my Kolb Slingshot and they are good brakes but if I were
going to change Allegro brakes to a different type I would probably choose the
following:
http://www.flyfbi.com/html/hydraulic_brakes.html
I was giving a BFR to a Challenger owner last year in his airplane which had these
brakes installed. The best braking action I've seen on an LSA and inexpensive.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory.
- Friedrich Engels
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
Well I finally got a chance to condition the brakes.. and give them a proper test.
On their best day the Evektor brakes would barely hold the plane at 3500rpm.
I stopped testing the Matco brakes at 4900 rpm. So I would say they
are an improvement... Also they appear to be easier and cheaper to maintain.
Overall I am pretty happy with the decision and the results.
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
Can you post a picture of the Matco brakes as they appear on your Allegro?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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From: "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:25 AM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro
>
> Well I finally got a chance to condition the brakes.. and give them a
> proper test. On their best day the Evektor brakes would barely hold the
> plane at 3500rpm. I stopped testing the Matco brakes at 4900 rpm. So
> I would say they are an improvement... Also they appear to be easier and
> cheaper to maintain.
>
> Overall I am pretty happy with the decision and the results.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294956#294956
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Looking at the photos that you provided, it appears that you had to modify the
landing leg in order to mount the caliper. Does this mean the the provided mounting
bracket that is supplied by MATCO doesn't work without modifying the landing
leg?
Thanks,
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "timpry" <timpry(at)gmail.com> |
I did have to reshape the legs to give the brakes clearance..
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Timpry,
I set up Matco's for the Flight Design CT. I'm also an OEM for Matco. The CTLS
model has strut gear like yours. You may have been better off with the right brake
(pictured) on the other wheel. You would still have to of had cut the corner
at a 45 degree on the bottom back edge just like the CTLS, but the caliper
would be in a much better position at 4 o'clock and the brake line and bleeder
valve would have been in a more upright position. This would also put them a
tad higher so as not to strike a low object. There is also a little different
wheel/brake set that the CTLS uses that may have been a bit easier to mount.
I have those part numbers if anyone would like them. You also need to go out and
burnish the brakes (heat them up). If you don't you sacrifice up to 50% of
the stopping power. With the Matco's you should be able to run at WOT and the
brakes will hold.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing the brakes & wheels on my Allegro |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Here is a picture of what it could look like and position the caliper better.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
520-574-1080
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| Subject: | Re: Negative Flaps |
| From: | "ray" <johnogr(at)dcsi.net.au> |
Hi
I built my plane about 2 years ago and set my flaps at 3deg neg, works fine.
I believe that 0 deg would give you a little more lift in flight, more lift more
drag, thats why they specify the neg degrees at the back of the wing.
Ray
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| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Here's a questions for the group, Has anyone heard of or seen an autopilot installed
on an Allegro?
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I fitted a 2 axis Dynon autopilot to my Allegro 2000 a while back.
The installation is straightforward and both servos fit nicely to the rear side
of the bulkhead under the baggage shelf
For various reasons, I have only tested it for a few hours. My initial impression
in the fairly brief testing was that the response to the pitch servo was excellent
and it maintained or changed height in a fluid movement.
The roll servo response was a problem even after adjusting the various settings
on the Dynon setup. As the plane rolled out onto a new heading, the adverse yaw
slewed it off the target heading by a few degrees. This repeated so it was
constantly rolling, missing and correcting. There is no 'aim-off' setting in
the Dynon.
The Allegro has a 3:1 differential built into the bellcrank in the cockpit but
it is progressive and at small deflections there is no differential. We tried
a more 'aggressive' setting on the Dynon program with larger deflections (by setting
a higher roll rate) hoping the differential would be enough to counteract
the yaw as the plane rolled out onto a heading. It didn't work and the plane
started hunting left and right across the heading in progressively sharper movements.
The co-pilot described it as 'getting ugly' and we stopped.
I posted the problem on the Dynon forum but they responded by email not on the
forum. This may suggest that other people are having this problem.
A friend has a Technam with Tru-Trak system which works very well. It seems to
'miss' the correct heading by 10 degrees, then gently reverses the roll and settles
perfectly on the correct heading.
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| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Paul, thanks for the information. Your experience with the Dynon system is informative.
I believe that if I was going to install one on my airplane I would
look at using a Trutrak system. From the people that I know that are using the
Trutrak autopilots I haven't heard any complaints. I've flown a Evektor Sportstar
that had a Trutrak and I found it very easy to use and held the course
that it was set on plus it linked with the Garmin GPS quite well. Do you have
any photos or information that you can share on the mounting and placement of
the servos?
Thanks,
Larry
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OK, I'll get some photos in a few days.
A friend of mine made a template for the brackets in stiff paper for the shop to
cut and bend. It looked like a cereal packet cut diagonally. The Allegro is
a simple installation and the fairly short arm movements mean it cannot go over-center.
The standard Dynon install kit worked and the rod ends go direct onto
the controls without a mod. The box with the flap motor electrics had to be
moved and the left aileron stop trimmed.
Paul
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| Subject: | Aileron control problem |
I have had a problem with the feel and response of the ailerons since new.
There feels like a stiffness or binding around the center point for about an inch
then the stick moves freely and the ailerons get progressively lighter the
more the stick is deflected. Also, in flight there is sometimes a small left or
right 'kick' thru the stick also about an inch movement. I have only flown 1
Allegro and I don't know what 'normal' feels like.
Could pilots assist by commenting on their Allegros
1. Is there any stiffness around the center point?
2. Does the stick get lighter the more you move it?
3. Do you ever feel a slight 'kick' thru the stick from the ailerons?
The red bellcrank shaft in the cockpit was misalighned in the factory by about
an inch. They had simply pulled it and forced it thru the front bushing. I realigned
it and replaced the nylon bushings with teflon.
In flight, the ailerons used to deflect up until they were flush with the reflexed
flaperons (about 4 degrees) I removed the long wing pushrods and replaced
them with stiffer steel rods. The original aluminum rods showed signs of wear
at 1 point (where 1 of the 3 nylon bearing wheels made contact) It cured the ailerons
deflecting at cruise speed and initially seemed to improve the aileron
feel. (See an earlier post and photo Feb 2008) but then the original problem
remained.
There doesn't appear to be any binding in the wing bellcranks, rod ends or anything
else. On the ground, the system seems perfect and has only 200 hours.
The plane is unpleasant to fly especially in turbulence. Around the center, the
stick has a similar feel to a throttle friction set a little too tight. The stick
moves and responds but every movement takes a slight push after which it
travels free.
Rolling 30 left, thru 30 righ however, the stick feels fine and doesn't have any
drag when passing thru the center.
An pilot/engineer friend of mine has gone thru the system and flown the plane.
he said the control response felt abnormal. He disassembled the cockpit bellcrank
then clamped the wing rod ends looking for play, wear or binding in every
part. Nothing.
An airline pilot who started flying ultralights flew it and commented there was
nothing smooth and progressive about the roll response from straight and level
flight.
Can other owners assist and say if they have experienced any of the above or whether
the Allegro has a normal feel or a light feel or whatever.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
That certainly doesn't sound normal. By comparison, on long flights I usu
ally just rest my hand at the base of the stick and give it a gentle nudg
e as needed to keep straight & level. I haven't noticed any significant b
reakout force and the control response seems normal (except for that sens
itive rudder, but that's another story).
It sounds like you've already covered all the usual suspects. The fact th
at it only happens in the air should be an important clue. Is there exces
s play in any of the aileron hinges? Maybe one of the ailerons is twistin
g or moving rearward in flight and causing some binding that you don't ex
perience on the ground. Does the breakout force vary with airspeed? Does
flap deflection make a difference?
I'm also curious about the need for stiffer pushrods. I know with the one
s on my plane (2003 Allegro 2000) the ailerons don't deflect up in flight
. Maybe whatever was causing the deflection is still an issue, but the st
eel rods fixed one of the symptoms.
It almost sounds like the ailerons are rigged too low. You are 4 degrees
below the flaps, but are you sure the flaps are correct? Or maybe the win
gs themselves are misrigged and causing an aerodynamic difference (and th
erefore binding) between the two ailerons.
If there is a big difference in the angle between the two flaps or a lot
of rudder trim set on the tab, those can be indications that your aileron
s or wings are not rigged correctly.
It should be a very nice handling plane, so I certainly hope you get it f
ixed.
Best of Luck.
Brad Kramer
N221FA - Bismarck ND USA
I have had a problem with the feel and response of the ailerons since new
.
There feels like a stiffness or binding around the center point for about
an inch then the stick moves freely and the ailerons get progressively l
ighter the more the stick is deflected. Also, in flight there is sometime
s a small left or right 'kick' thru the stick also about an inch movement
. I have only flown 1 Allegro and I don't know what 'normal' feels like.
Could pilots assist by commenting on their Allegros
1. Is there any stiffness around the center point?
2. Does the stick get lighter the more you move it?
3. Do you ever feel a slight 'kick' thru the stick from the ailerons?
The red bellcrank shaft in the cockpit was misalighned in the factory by
about an inch. They had simply pulled it and forced it thru the front bus
hing. I realigned it and replaced the nylon bushings with teflon.
In flight, the ailerons used to deflect up until they were flush with the
reflexed flaperons (about 4 degrees) I removed the long wing pushrods an
d replaced them with stiffer steel rods. The original aluminum rods showe
d signs of wear at 1 point (where 1 of the 3 nylon bearing wheels made co
ntact) It cured the ailerons deflecting at cruise speed and initially see
med to improve the aileron feel. (See an earlier post and photo Feb 2008)
but then the original problem remained.
There doesn't appear to be any binding in the wing bellcranks, rod ends o
r anything else. On the ground, the system seems perfect and has only 200
hours.
The plane is unpleasant to fly especially in turbulence. Around the cente
r, the stick has a similar feel to a throttle friction set a little too t
ight. The stick moves and responds but every movement takes a slight push
after which it travels free.
Rolling 30 left, thru 30 righ however, the stick feels fine and doesn't h
ave any drag when passing thru the center.
An pilot/engineer friend of mine has gone thru the system and flown the p
lane. he said the control response felt abnormal. He disassembled the coc
kpit bellcrank then clamped the wing rod ends looking for play, wear or b
inding in every part. Nothing.
An airline pilot who started flying ultralights flew it and commented the
re was nothing smooth and progressive about the roll response from straig
ht and level flight.
Can other owners assist and say if they have experienced any of the above
or whether the Allegro has a normal feel or a light feel or whatever.
Paul
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Brad
Thanks for your detailed reply.
The hinges on the right wing have almost no wear. In contrast, there is slight
wear on all the left hinges especially the outer one. The vertical wear seems
minor but when the system is clamped and the trailing edge pushed up, it will
deflect about 2 degrees.
The breakout force seems to get worse with duration of flight rather than airspeed.
Another weird factor in the equation.
Flap setting does not make a difference.
I think you are right that removing the wings and replacing the rods cured a symptom
by coincidence rather than dealt with the problem.
I will check your suggestions. The flaps appear reflexed at 4.5 degrees and the
ailerons are flush with the tips. I will look at the relative flap angles and
rudder trim.
The left aileron trim tab is bent up slightly, the right is level. The plane rolls
more easily to the right (presumably it should be the other way round due
to torque)
Regards
Paul
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Wow. Related to duration of flight??? Could that mean it is temperature r
elated... either something getting warm in the cockpit or cold in the win
g? I can only think of 2 things that change during flight... temperature
and weight (& CG).
Sounds like the aileron/flap rigging is OK.
I don't recall if I have a tab on each aileron. I probably do, even thoug
h I'm not sure why that would be. Might be worth setting them to neutral
so they aren't working against each other and causing some weird problem.
It seems to me that having a tab on each aileron could cause ailerons to
droop or recess in flight and may even increase the breakout force since
there's more inertia to overcome when you first move the stick. (That's
my theory, and I'll stick to it for at least another 10 minutes. I should
n' t even speculate on such things when we have mechanical engineers like
Thom Riddle on the list).
The only other thing I can think of is the freedom of movement of the tor
que tube that the control stick attaches to. For instance if something tw
ists just a little bit in flight compared to being on the ground. Or some
thing like the brake cable is restricting movement.
Sounds frustrating. Should be a big sense of accomplishment when you fina
lly figure it out (and discover it is a simple 5 minute fix).
good luck.
Brad N221FA
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From: aerosiam [mailto:pk@aero-siam.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 01:44 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Aileron control problem
led reply. The hinges on the right wing have almost no wear. In contrast,
there is slight wear on all the left hinges especially the outer one. Th
e vertical wear seems minor but when the system is clamped and the traili
ng edge pushed up, it will deflect about 2 degrees. The breakout force se
ems to get worse with duration of flight rather than airspeed. Another we
ird factor in the equation. Flap setting does not make a difference. I th
ink you are right that removing the wings and replacing the rods cured a
symptom by coincidence rather than dealt with the problem. I will check y
our suggestions. The flaps appear reflexed at 4.5 degrees and the aileron
s are flush with the tips. I will look at the relative flap angles and ru
dder trim. The left aileron trim tab is bent up slightly, the right is le
vel. The plane rolls more easily to the right (presumably it should be th
e other way round due to torque) Regards Paul Read this topic online here
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| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Brad,
You seem to have covered the possibilities that have come to my mind, so I can't
add anything to that but will be interested to hear what the final solution
turns out to be. If I remember correctly, an aileron trim tab on both ailerons
was standard practice for Fantasy Air. Only airplane I've seen that did that.
I can see no advantage in having two unless the airplane is so out of rig that
two are necessary to take out roll bias. If that is the case, two aileron trim
tabs is a poor band-aid solution to a bigger problem.
I hope other Allegro owners will respond to Paul's request. I too have flown only
one Allegro, yours, and don't have any other to compare it to. But I am certain
that Paul's is not normal. I had no trouble with smooth aileron action for
the several hundred hours we flew N221FA before we sold it to you, replacing
only one aileron hinge during that time. The right side outboard hinge was the
one that wore out.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
If life gives you limes, make Margaritas.
- Jimmy Buffet
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Brad and Thom
Thanks for your helpful replies.
I checked items you suggested.
The rudder trim is neutral.
With the stick clamped, there is play such that both ailerons can move up about
2 degrees. (Rattle might be a better word) Most of this appears to be in both
outer aileron hinges which I will replace (as Thom did). There is more wear in
the right aileron hinges than I thought.
The ambient temperature is about 90 and sunny. One possibility is that the bellcrank
shaft expands and binds in the bushings on a longer flight. Fitting reflective
tape might help but I can't correlate a pattern in terms of hot/cool or
high/low when the problem happens.
I will replace hinges, test fly then equalise the trim tabs.
The only other thing I can think of doing is to loosen the wing and strut attachments
and reset them (just because removing the wings was part of the process
of changing the pushrods after which the system was perfect for a brief period)
Ironically I had the same problem with the rudders being stiff from the factory.
The rivetted collar was jamming against the spacer above and just needed machining
down.
Paul
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Hi Brad
I had some very helpful emails from Thom. He mentioned that you had a hinge set
from Fantasy which included the rivets. Would you mind measuring the rivets?
I removed the left aileron and some of the bodies are worn to the point where
a 3.2mm pin fits easily in place of the original 3.0mm pin and I may end up having
to remove the hinges and drill them all to 3.28mm which is the next available
pin diameter.
Thanks
Paul
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Paul,
How many hours do you have on your Allegro? Why are you having to remove
your ailerons?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
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From: "aerosiam" <pk@aero-siam.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:38 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Aileron control problem
>
> Hi Brad
> I had some very helpful emails from Thom. He mentioned that you had a
> hinge set from Fantasy which included the rivets. Would you mind measuring
> the rivets?
>
> I removed the left aileron and some of the bodies are worn to the point
> where a 3.2mm pin fits easily in place of the original 3.0mm pin and I may
> end up having to remove the hinges and drill them all to 3.28mm which is
> the next available pin diameter.
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304125#304125
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Hi Hugh
200 hours. I have to replace the hinge pins so it's easier just to disconnect the
control rod and put the aileron on the bench. With Fantasy out of business,
I don't have the option to buy new hinge sets.
Regards
Paul
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Paul,
What caused the hinge pins to wear out after only 200 hours! 200 hours is
nothing for this airplane, and aileron hinges and pins should last far
beyond 200 hours. I have 400 hours on my Allegro 2000 and the pins and
hinges show no effect.
Hugh
--------------------------------------------------
From: "aerosiam" <pk@aero-siam.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:22 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Aileron control problem
>
> Hi Hugh
>
> 200 hours. I have to replace the hinge pins so it's easier just to
> disconnect the control rod and put the aileron on the bench. With Fantasy
> out of business, I don't have the option to buy new hinge sets.
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=304283#304283
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Hugh
I know, it doesn't make sense.
The system is perfectly light and free on the ground. Something happens in the
air. Going back to my original problem, the stiffness around the center point
may be accelerating the wear in the hinges but this seems unlikely.
A pilot/engineer friend of mine agreed the aileron response is odd and disconcerting.
He helped dismantle and inspect the system from the wing bellcranks to
the control column and he is equally baffled.
The vertical wear in the hinges seemed minor but when the stick was clamped, it
translated to about 2 degrees at the trailing edge.
I can't explain the plane's strange handling but getting rid of the wear in the
hinges will at least take one factor out of the equation
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Strange.. But the rivets I have seem to be about 3.6mm (using my cheap
caliper, so that's approximate).
I do have a new hinge here and the holes in that are noticably smaller
(possibly the 3.2 that you're seeing). Apparently when Thom replaced my
hinges he drilled out for a larger rivet, just as you're thinking of doing.
Good luck.
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From: owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerosiam
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 9:38 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Aileron control problem
Hi Brad
I had some very helpful emails from Thom. He mentioned that you had a hinge
set from Fantasy which included the rivets. Would you mind measuring the
rivets?
I removed the left aileron and some of the bodies are worn to the point
where a 3.2mm pin fits easily in place of the original 3.0mm pin and I may
end up having to remove the hinges and drill them all to 3.28mm which is the
next available pin diameter.
Thanks
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Brad,
My memory is telling me that the hinge and rivet package that I received from Fantasy
Air had two sizes of holes and rivets. Again from memory, I think that
the larger holes were on the wing side of the hinge and smaller ones on the aileron
side but am not absolutely certain. I did not drill out the holes for larger
rivets. Next time you are at the hangar, Brad, get up on a ladder and look
carefully at the right outboard aileron hinge (the one I replaced) and compare
it and its rivets to the other ones, which I did not replace (came from factory
that way).
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
If life gives you limes, make Margaritas.
- Jimmy Buffet
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Hi Brad and Thom
Thanks
I think we have a slight miscommunication. The original hinge pin (not rivet size)
is 3.0mm and I am trying out a 3.2mm pin which fits in some of the hinges.
I haven't removed any hinges yet. I am trying to find out what size the rivets
are because ordering parts to Thailand is either expensive or long and I try to
plan ahead ! Shipping alone is 40 bucks for Fedex.
Regards
Paul
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Sadler Aircraft/Fantasy Air -i.e Allegro 2000 Aircraft |
Gentlemen,
I understand Sadler Aircraft in Oregon has went out of business. They
were connected some how with Fantasy Air USA. Since Sadler is out of
business, does that mean Fantasy Air is also gone by the "way side" with
them?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
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| Subject: | Re: Sadler Aircraft/Fantasy Air -i.e Allegro 2000 Aircraft |
The tools, parts and production rights for the Allegro have been transfer
red from Sadler to B Bar D Aviation (Fantasy Air) in North Carolina. My u
nderstanding is they are working with investors to hopefully get back int
o production.
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From: Hugh McKay [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 04:03 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Sadler Aircraft/Fantasy Air -i.e Allegro 2000 Airc
raft
Gentlemen,
I understand Sadler Aircraft in Oregon has went out of business. They wer
e connected some how with Fantasy Air USA. Since Sadler is out of busines
s, does that mean Fantasy Air is also gone by the "way side" with them?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
=
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron control problem |
Hi Paul,
My hinges also use a 3.0 mm hinge pin.
...Brad.
-----Original Message-----
From: aerosiam [mailto:pk@aero-siam.com]
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2010 11:19 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Aileron control problem
think we have a slight miscommunication. The original hinge pin (not rive
t size) is 3.0mm and I am trying out a 3.2mm pin which fits in some of th
e hinges. I haven't removed any hinges yet. I am trying to find out what
size the rivets are because ordering parts to Thailand is either expensiv
e or long and I try to plan ahead ! Shipping alone is 40 bucks for Fedex.
Regards Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/vi
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. The prop on the plane is a WoodComp, three
blade Klassic 63" propeller. This is the original prop. I have 370 hours
on the Airplane and prop. I hanger and fly out of a grass strip here in
NC. As a result of being on a grass strip I need to clean my prop quite
frequently to remove bug juice, and grass clippings (from the mower, not
the prop). I clean the prop with Simple Green cleaner and water. There
is leading edge tape on the blades. I am developing a discoloration on
the surface of the outer surface of the blades that resembles "water
marks"(for lack of a better definition). I cannot remove them. Attached
is a photo. I don't know what is causing this, or if it is a problem.
Has anyone else had this occur on a Woodcomp prop or similar prop?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: WoodComp Prop |
That's strange. Maybe something in the Simple Green, or chemicals used to
spray the runway?
I use plain water for minor cleaning. For a lot of bugs I use Turtle Wax
Bug & Tar Remover, with an occasional car wax application. It'd be intere
sting to try a mild polishing compound on your prop to see if it removes
whatever is on the surface (assuming just waxing it doesn't take care of
it).
We're at about 740 hours and the prop is still black and glossy. (with so
me occasional dressing of nicks and polishing scratches)
...Brad.
N1208P - Bismarck ND
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh McKay [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 08:02 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: WoodComp Prop
I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. The prop on the plane is a WoodComp, three b
lade Klassic 63" propeller. This is the original prop. I have 370 hours o
n the Airplane and prop. I hanger and fly out of a grass strip here in NC
. As a result of being on a grass strip I need to clean my prop quite fre
quently to remove bug juice, and grass clippings (from the mower, not the
prop). I clean the prop with Simple Green cleaner and water. There is le
ading edge tape on the blades. I am developing a discoloration on the sur
face of the outer surface of the blades that resembles "water marks"(for
lack of a better definition). I cannot remove them. Attached is a photo.
I don't know what is causing this, or if it is a problem. Has anyone else
had this occur on a Woodcomp prop or similar prop?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: WoodComp Prop |
Do those marks extend underneath the leading edge tape?
-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh McKay [mailto:hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 08:02 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: WoodComp Prop
I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. The prop on the plane is a WoodComp, three b
lade Klassic 63" propeller. This is the original prop. I have 370 hours o
n the Airplane and prop. I hanger and fly out of a grass strip here in NC
. As a result of being on a grass strip I need to clean my prop quite fre
quently to remove bug juice, and grass clippings (from the mower, not the
prop). I clean the prop with Simple Green cleaner and water. There is le
ading edge tape on the blades. I am developing a discoloration on the sur
face of the outer surface of the blades that resembles "water marks"(for
lack of a better definition). I cannot remove them. Attached is a photo.
I don't know what is causing this, or if it is a problem. Has anyone else
had this occur on a Woodcomp prop or similar prop?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Search for Left wing Allegro 2000 SW |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro-listers,
A friend of mine in the Netherlands had his Allegro 2000 SW (short wing)
damaged.
He is looking for a replacement left wing. Is there anybody among you who
could
help him out? Any information about where possibly to ask for this, is
gratefully accepted.
Regards,
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000 (71MM)
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Allegro 2000 - Rotax 912 Muffler - Air Intake for warm cabin |
air
If you have an Allegro 2000 you know that the air intake for warm cabin
air is under the bottom cowl. This is about a 2 1/2" round opening
connected to a flexible duct that is connected to a s.s. shroud around
the muffler where it picks up heat from the outside of the muffler and
transports it to the cabin. The cool air intake is a similar flexible
duct that brings in fresh air from a different location bypassing the
muffler.
I keep my plane at an air field with turf runways. On numerous occasions
in the summer during takeoff I have smelled what seemed like burnt
grass, but it went away after leaving the ground. I believe that pieces
of cut grass clippings are being kicked up by the prop blast and blown
into the intake opening under the bottom cowl and thus back into the
muffler shroud and burned. I this is indeed what is happening, how can
this be prevented? Also recently when I had my Instrument panel pulled
back for some electrical maintenance, the backside of the panel, as well
as the instruments and the wiring was covered with grass clippings! This
really surprised me. What a pain it was to clean all the dirt, dust and
grass clippings out. Has anyone else who keeps their plane at a turf
field had this experience?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 - Rotax 912 Muffler - Air Intake for warm |
cabin
| From: | "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh,
Though I operated our Allegro from grass strips occasionally, it was always based
on a paved airport so I never noticed any grass clippings problem. Are you
getting any grass clipping accumulation on the intake side of the oil cooler?
I would suggest a fairly coarse screen material covering the air duct inlets which
can be easily cleaned during pre-flight.
--------
Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Kolb Slingshot SS-021
Jabiru 2200A #1574
Tennessee Prop 64x32
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 - Rotax 912 Muffler - Air Intake for warm |
cabin air
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Hugh,
Tiny grass particles were found earlier at the backside of my instrument
panel also
and on the cabin floor. Not that much because we mainly used paved runways.
How to solve this problem is a challenge to me too.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
71MM
2010/8/31, Hugh McKay :
>
> If you have an Allegro 2000 you know that the air intake for warm cabin
> air is under the bottom cowl. This is about a 2 1/2" round opening connected
> to a flexible duct that is connected to a s.s. shroud around the muffler
> where it picks up heat from the outside of the muffler and transports it to
> the cabin. The cool air intake is a similar flexible duct that brings in
> fresh air from a different location bypassing the muffler.
>
> I keep my plane at an air field with turf runways. On numerous occasions in
> the summer during takeoff I have smelled what seemed like burnt grass, but
> it went away after leaving the ground. I believe that pieces of cut grass
> clippings are being kicked up by the prop blast and blown into the intake
> opening under the bottom cowl and thus back into the muffler shroud and
> burned. I this is indeed what is happening, how can this be prevented?
> Also recently when I had my Instrument panel pulled back for some electrical
> maintenance, the backside of the panel, as well as the instruments and the
> wiring was covered with grass clippings! This really surprised me. What a
> pain it was to clean all the dirt, dust and grass clippings out. Has anyone
> else who keeps their plane at a turf field had this experience?
>
> Hugh McKay
> Allegro 2000
> Rotax 912 UL
> N661WW
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Allegro 2000 - Rotax 912 Muffler - Air Intake for warm |
cabin air
Theo,
I believe the two-way diversion valve in the round duct does not close
tightly enough allowing a small amount of grass clippings to pass each
time one takes of and lands on a grass field. I think I am just going to
close off the intake opening to the muffler during the Summer months
since fresh air comes in from another opening. Maybe that will help.
Hugh
From: theo van duin
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Allegro 2000 - Rotax 912 Muffler - Air Intake
for warm cabin air
Hugh,
Tiny grass particles were found earlier at the backside of my instrument
panel also
and on the cabin floor. Not that much because we mainly used paved
runways.
How to solve this problem is a challenge to me too.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912UL
71MM
2010/8/31, Hugh McKay :
If you have an Allegro 2000 you know that the air intake for warm
cabin air is under the bottom cowl. This is about a 2 1/2" round opening
connected to a flexible duct that is connected to a s.s. shroud around
the muffler where it picks up heat from the outside of the muffler and
transports it to the cabin. The cool air intake is a similar flexible
duct that brings in fresh air from a different location bypassing the
muffler.
I keep my plane at an air field with turf runways. On numerous
occasions in the summer during takeoff I have smelled what seemed like
burnt grass, but it went away after leaving the ground. I believe that
pieces of cut grass clippings are being kicked up by the prop blast and
blown into the intake opening under the bottom cowl and thus back into
the muffler shroud and burned. I this is indeed what is happening, how
can this be prevented? Also recently when I had my Instrument panel
pulled back for some electrical maintenance, the backside of the panel,
as well as the instruments and the wiring was covered with grass
clippings! This really surprised me. What a pain it was to clean all the
dirt, dust and grass clippings out. Has anyone else who keeps their
plane at a turf field had this experience?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
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| Subject: | Howling/scraping noise at flaps deflection |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro listers,
Today, at the preflight check, a loud howling/scraping noise was heard
at the deflection of the flaps from pos. zero to pos. one, probably at the
left upper side of the plane.
Further down, from pos.one to two, the sound was gone.
Did anyone of you experience this problem? Could it possibly be solved by
oiling the control rod tubular bearings? If so, what type of oil is to be
used?
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
71MM
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| Subject: | Re: Search for Left wing Allegro 2000 SW |
| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Fellow Allegro listers,
The replacement left wing, my Dutch pilot friend is looking for, was
abusively
stated as being for an Allegro 2000SW but it is not. It's for an Allegro
2000.
Any suggestion how/where to find such a part might get him flying again!
Thank you for your concern to help him out.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
71MM
2010/8/25, theo van duin :
>
> Fellow Allegro-listers,
>
> A friend of mine in the Netherlands had his Allegro 2000 SW (short wing)
> damaged.
> He is looking for a replacement left wing. Is there anybody among you who
> could
> help him out? Any information about where possibly to ask for this, is
> gratefully accepted.
>
> Regards,
>
> Theo van Duin (France)
> Allegro 2000 (71MM)
>
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Howling/scraping noise at flaps deflection |
Theo,
There are two plastic (neoprene??) bearings that the flap torque tube
rotates in. See attached photo. They are located close togather in the
area just behind the bulkhead rib that the the pilot seat belts are
bolted to. These could be drying out for some reason. I would not use
oil on them. Instead I would try a silicone lubricate on them. You
should be able to find this in an aerosol spray can. If this does not
solve the problem, check the two corrugated rubber sleeves at the ends
of the flap tube where it penetrates the fuselage. Spray the rubber
sleeve/fuselage contact surface with some silicone spray as well. While
you are doing all of this check the flap servo motor screw. Make sure it
is well lubricated and not binding because it screws into a plastic
housing that has (neoprene??) threads. I use white lithium grease on the
screw itself. Let us know if this works.
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
From: theo van duin
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:35 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Howling/scraping noise at flaps deflection
Fellow Allegro listers,
Today, at the preflight check, a loud howling/scraping noise was heard
at the deflection of the flaps from pos. zero to pos. one, probably at
the
left upper side of the plane.
Further down, from pos.one to two, the sound was gone.
Did anyone of you experience this problem? Could it possibly be solved
by
oiling the control rod tubular bearings? If so, what type of oil is to
be used?
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
71MM
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| Subject: | Circuit Breaker Switches |
| From: | "sonex293" <sonex293(at)gmail.com> |
Does anyone know the manufacturer and model number of the CB/Switches used on the
Allegro panel...
Seen here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fantasy_Air_Allegro_2000_C-IDRQ_14_Instrument_panel.JPG
and
http://en.advisto.com/user_images/146872_7328_dynon_panel.jpg
Thanks,
Michael
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Michael Crowder
Jabiru 3300A w/ Hyd Lifters
AeroCarb w/ #3 needle
Sonex N293SX
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breaker Switches |
| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Michael,
I don't know the manufacturer of the switches, but it's a safe bet that they are
manufactured in the Czech republic. You could contact Doug or Betty Hempstead
at B Bar D Aviation, Phone 919-775-2224, and if they don't have some on stock
I'm sure they could put you in contact with the manufacturer or a good source.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breaker Switches |
| From: | "sonex293" <sonex293(at)gmail.com> |
Did some deep searching and found the answer...
The parts are made by E-T-A and are their 1110 series Push-Push Switches with Circuit
Breakers.
http://www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/Datasheets/BM/ETA_CIRCUIT_PROTECTION/677-0016.PDF
--
Michael
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| Subject: | Re: Circuit Breaker Switches |
That's useful info. I'll be printing it up and saving it with my plane's
documentation just in case.
Thanks for sharing that.
-----Original Message-----
From: sonex293 [mailto:sonex293(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 01:20 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Circuit Breaker Switches
d found the answer... The parts are made by E-T-A and are their 1110 seri
es Push-Push Switches with Circuit Breakers. http://www.alliedelec.com/Im
ages/Products/Datasheets/BM/ETA_CIRCUIT_PROTECTION/677-0016.PDF -- Michae
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| From: | antonin.svoboda(at)ulas.cz |
| Subject: | ULAS, s.r.o. Czech republic |
Dear Allegro's friends,
we are pleased to inform you that ULAS s.r.o., based in Northern Bohemia
, has resumed manufacture of the Allegro 2007 aircraft model under =C4
=8CSN EN ISO:9000 certification. This model was born through the cooper
ation between the K=C3=A1brt brothers from Vanessa Air and the Czech Tec
hnical University in Prague. The aircraft has good directional stability
in turbulence and is excellent and pleasant to control at low speeds. T
he fuselage is made of composite materials, while the wings, elevator an
d rudder are made of metal. The flight range has been increased to 1450
km and the interior offers an improved design. The door opening has been
adjusted to make opening the doors easier and to allow older pilots to
get in with less difficulty. The aircraft has been certified in Germany,
certified for towing gliders in the Czech Republic and as an LSA catego
ry in the USA. The cockpit is very comfortable, being nearly 100mm wider
than similar types of aircraft.
If you will have any additional question, do not hesitate to contact me.
More information you can find at www.ulas.cz
Sincerely Antonin Svoboda
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Antonin Svoboda, Export Sales Manager - ULAS s.r.o.
Phone: +420 777 769 722
E-mail: antonin.svoboda(at)ulas.cz
Skype: ulas-antonin.svoboda
ULAS s.r.o.
Ultralight Aviation System
Za Viaduktem 429
400 01 =C3=9Ast=C3=AD nad Labem
Czech republic
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| From: | "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com> |
Has anyone been able to solve the problem with the bouncing fuel gage?
Mine really bothers me with the bouncing between 3/4 and 1/4.
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
Larry,
I solved the problem by only going on short flights and keeping the fuel ta
nk full..-- Just joking... Mine does the same thing... I do have a pers
onal rule that the plane does not take off unless you can touch the fuel wi
th your finger in the tank... I use 2.5 hours as my fuel (and bladder) stop
time... Have gone 3 hours but try to stay around 2.5..
Happy flying, Brian
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From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Gage
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 11:53 AM
Has anyone been able to solve the problem with the bouncing fuel gage?
Mine really bothers me with the bouncing between 3/4 and 1/4.-
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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Mine doesn't bounce, but it does read too high. Doesn't really matter sin
ce the GPS blocks my view of the gauge so I usually don't know what it's
reading. I do get a look at it now and then just in case I have a big fue
l leak.
I just plan 2 hour legs, which gives me a nice reserve for headwinds, run
way closures or other surprises. So far 2.6 is my longest flight in a 200
0. That was long enough. (after that one I installed temperfoam in the se
at bottom)
...Brad.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Carpenter [mailto:n3081x(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2010 04:58 PM
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Fuel Gage
Larry,
I solved the problem by only going on short flights and keeping the fuel
tank full.. Just joking... Mine does the same thing... I do have a person
al rule that the plane does not take off unless you can touch the fuel wi
th your finger in the tank... I use 2.5 hours as my fuel (and bladder) st
op time... Have gone 3 hours but try to stay around 2.5..
Happy flying, Brian
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From: ledson <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Gage
Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 11:53 AM
Has anyone been able to solve the problem with the bouncing fuel gage?
Mine really bothers me with the bouncing between 3/4 and 1/4.
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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| From: | "" <jlhazen(at)copper.net> |
I Always watch the clock and not the fuel gage. I figure fuel for 3.0hrs, 2.5hrs
of flying w/.5hr reserve. I also have a wedge that I put under the left main
to make sure I get a full full load.
Jim
N44469
--- ledson(at)oneil.com wrote:
From: "ledson" <ledson(at)oneil.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Fuel Gage
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:53:38 -0700
Has anyone been able to solve the problem with the bouncing fuel gage?
Mine really bothers me with the bouncing between 3/4 and 1/4.
Thanks,
Larry
N4362C
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| Subject: | Re: ULAS, s.r.o. Czech republic |
Hi Antonin
Great news. I wish you success.
Paul
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| Subject: | Replacement brake seals and O rings |
Evektor make the brake system for the Allegro. http://www.evektor.cz/
I ordered 2 sets of all the seals and O rings from them for about 10 euros plus
shipping.
Miroslav Jezek is the contact and is very helpful and quick to reply to emails
mjezek(at)evektor.cz
A year ago I ordered brake pads with the same efficient service.
Paul
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is need
ed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a Allegro 20
00?- Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the fiberglass..
Brian
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
Brian,
I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane from the kit I can
scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that covers the
rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW
From: Brian Carpenter
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: 2000 Rudder
I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass
repair is needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a
rudder in a Allegro 2000? Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru
the fiberglass..
Brian
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
Hugh,
Thanks, It is SLSA,,, I have a A & P working with me..I was wondering if we
have to drill out some rivets??
Brian
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Subject: Re: Allegro-List: 2000 Rudder
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| From: | theo van duin <t.j.vanduin(at)gmail.com> |
Brian and Hugh,
The original owner of my Allegro slightly damaged the fiberglass part of the
rudder also at a tail strike. The damage is mainly aesthetic but I like to
repair it.
Reason for me to ask Hugh to e-mail me also the portions of his assembly
manual that cover the rudder installation.
Brian, if possible, could you send me a photograph of the damaged section?
Thanks to both of you.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
71MM
2010/10/31 Brian Carpenter
> Hugh,
>
> Thanks, It is SLSA,,, I have a A & P working with me..I was wondering if we
> have to drill out some rivets??
> Brian
>
> --- On *Sat, 10/30/10, Hugh McKay * wrote:
>
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> From: Hugh McKay <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Allegro-List: 2000 Rudder
>
> To: allegro-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 1:53 PM
>
> Brian,
>
> I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane from the kit I can
> scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that covers the
> rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?
>
> Hugh McKay
> Allegro 2000
> Rotax 912 UL
> N661WW
>
> *From:* Brian Carpenter <http://mc/compose?to=n3081x@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 30, 2010 4:34 PM
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> *Subject:* Allegro-List: 2000 Rudder
>
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>
> I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is
> needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a Allegro
> 2000? Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the fiberglass..
>
> Brian
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Brian
Removal of the rudder is simple
Disconnect the 2 rudder cables
Drill out the 4 rivets holding the small pin plate on the right hand side (the
pin itself is visible thru the center hole in the plate. All the flap / elevator
mounts use the same system. Checling all the pins are visible should be part
of the pre-flight)
Remove the cotter pin from the top mount pin
Mark and disconnect any electrical leads
release the bottom right angled pin by pulling upwards and remove thru the plate
hole
Reassembly takes a little patience lining up the pin. It is much easier if the
flat end of the pin is machined conical. You can't get your fingers inside with
enough force to push it thru the nylon bushing - use piers or grips.
Check the pin enters and is captive in the 'hat' on the inside of the pin plate
and is visible. Rivet the plate back.
Paul
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks Paul,
Seems that there are two rivets in the middle and 6-8 rivets around the out
side edge. So the all the outside edge rivets would need to be drilled out?
Brian
--- On Sun, 10/31/10, aerosiam <pk@aero-siam.com> wrote:
From: aerosiam <pk@aero-siam.com>
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: 2000 Rudder
Date: Sunday, October 31, 2010, 3:21 AM
Brian
Removal of the rudder is simple
Disconnect the 2 rudder cables
Drill out the 4 rivets holding the small pin plate on the right hand side (
the pin itself- is visible thru the center hole in the plate. All the fla
p / elevator mounts use the same system. Checling all the pins are visible
should be part of the pre-flight)
Remove the cotter pin from the top mount pin
Mark and disconnect any electrical leads
release the bottom right angled pin by pulling upwards and remove thru the
plate hole
Reassembly takes a little patience lining up the pin. It is much easier if
the flat end of the pin is machined conical. You can't get your fingers ins
ide with enough force to push it thru the nylon bushing - use piers or grip
s.
Check the pin enters and is captive in the 'hat' on the inside of the pin p
late and is visible. Rivet the plate back.
Paul
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Hi Brian
>From memory, I thought it was 4 outside rivets holding the pin plate but it may
well be 6 as you said.
Correct. Don't drill the 2 rivets in the middle - they hold the 'hat' that retains
the pin in place.
The rudder skin is thin and fragile.
Before flying (and presumably part of normal pre-flight) check that
cottar pin on the small mounting pin at the extreme top of the rudder
cottar pins on each rudder cable
the bottom pin is visible just behind the tiny hole in the pin plate. This
indicates it is correctly positioned and captive.
Paul
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| Subject: | Aileron hinge pins |
Both outer and 1 inner hinge showed signs of play at the 200 hour inspection. The
aileron could be moved vertically upwards. In flight, the ailerons were slightly
reflexing.
Thom Riddle advised that in the past he ordered a hinge set (body and pin) from
Fantasy and it was a simple job to remove and replace it.
Rather than go thru the process of trying to find 8 hinge sets for shipping to
Thailand, I removed the ailerons and replaced all the hinge pins with Mil Spec
hinge pin from Genuine Aircraft Hardware company which was about 13 dollars a
6 foot length. Part number MS20253P3-7200 which is 0.117 in or 2.97 mm. The originals
are 3 mm.
On the Allegro, the pins ends are flattened to prevent them slipping out. I couldn't
see a way of doing this without removing the hinge bodies which I didn't
want to do. I drilled each end of the new pin and used a cottar pin to secure
it.
The old pins showed little wear. The play was more from the loops on the hinge
bodies opening up very slightly. I don't know why this should happen on a plane
with relatively low hours.
I pinched the loops on each body so the pins were a perfect fit in all 8. There
is now no play and the ailerons no longer have a slight reflex.
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| Subject: | Brake components and seals |
The brake system on our 4 year old plane was stripped down for inspection and to
renew all the seals and O rings.
This is a straightforward task. One caliper needed honing due to minor corrosion.
The other was done last year.
I attach a cellphone photo of the components and another photo showing the seals
and their respective positions.
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| From: | "Hugh McKay" <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
Paul,
Thanks for the photos. I have also just finished stripping down the
hydraulic brake calipers and discs on my Allegro 2000. After 4 years on a
grass strip the brass plungers on the calipers were froze. Took everything
apart, cleaned everything, re-polished the brass plunger ever so lightly, as
well as the inside of the caliper itself. Put in new "O" rings and rubber
plunger as well as new brake pads. I have not re-filled the hydraulic system
yet.
I did notice in your photos that you also disassembled the little master
cylinder. Why did you do that? Was there a problem with it? I do have a
question that I need some help on. What is the best way to re-fill the brake
system on an Allegro 2000 with hydraulic brake fluid? I see no way to fill
the system from the top down (i.e. through the master cylinder in the plane)
with out disassembling the master cylinder itself, and then re-assembling
it. This seems to be difficult and cumbersome. How do you re-fill your brake
system (top down, or bottom up) and then bleed the system after re-filling?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
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From: aerosiam
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Brake components and seals
The brake system on our 4 year old plane was stripped down for inspection
and to renew all the seals and O rings.
This is a straightforward task. One caliper needed honing due to minor
corrosion. The other was done last year.
I attach a cellphone photo of the components and another photo showing the
seals and their respective positions.
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| From: | Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
Hugh,
We have filled from the bottom -up,,, both sides at the same time.-- Sm
all oil type cans with plastic line. I have had a problem with pressure whe
n the system gets cold.. I have replaced the gasket on the plunger in the m
aster several times.. I may have a small burr inside.. For some reason it h
as been holding pressure for the last 6 months, we will see what happens wh
en it gets cold again..
Brian
N3081X
Taylor Az
--- On Wed, 11/3/10, Hugh McKay wrote:
From: Hugh McKay <hgmckay(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Allegro-List: Brake components and seals
Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 1:25 PM
Paul,
Thanks for the photos. I have also just finished stripping down the hydraul
ic brake calipers and discs on my Allegro 2000. After 4 years on a grass st
rip the brass plungers on the calipers were froze. Took everything apart, c
leaned everything, re-polished the brass plunger ever so lightly, as well a
s the inside of the caliper itself. Put in new "O" rings and rubber plunger
as well as new brake pads. I have not re-filled the hydraulic system yet.
I did notice in your photos that you also disassembled the little master cy
linder. Why did you do that? Was there a problem with it? I do have a quest
ion that I need some help on. What is the best way to re-fill the brake sys
tem on an Allegro 2000 with hydraulic brake fluid? I see no way to fill the
system from the top down (i.e. through the master cylinder in the plane) w
ith out disassembling the master cylinder itself, and then re-assembling it
. This seems to be difficult and cumbersome. How do you re-fill your brake
system (top down, or bottom up) and then bleed the system after re-filling?
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
-----Original Message----- From: aerosiam
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Brake components and seals
The brake system on our 4 year old plane was stripped down for inspection a
nd to renew all the seals and O rings.
This is a straightforward task. One caliper needed honing due to minor corr
osion. The other was done last year.
I attach a cellphone photo of the components and another photo showing the
seals and their respective positions.
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
Hugh
I replaced all the seals possible. I think the plunger seal in the master cylinder
is important as Brian suggests.
I had to pump the brake 3 times before startup to ensure I have sufficient pressure
which suggests the fluid is slipping past the plunger seal. Then it would
hold the 100 hp engine at 4,000 rpm for the mag check.
I agree with Brian that bottom up simultaneously works better.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Guys,
You should absolutely fill your system from the bottom up to float out the air
in the system. You can use that little oil can and I did many years ago, but found
a much better mousetrap so to speak for about $10. The oil can works, but
is slow and doesn't always get the job done well. Here is an Ace Hardware one
gallon bug sprayer. Just unscrew the tip and replace it with some clear tubing.
Pour in the brake fluid which should be the 5600 aircraft brake fluid and never
auto DOT fluid. Then pump up the sprayer with pressure with the little knob
on top. Slightly squeeze the trigger and bleed any air out of the sprayer tubing.
Attach it to the bottom break bleed valve on the bottom of the caliper,
open the bleeder valve some and press the trigger. The system flushes so easily
and fast that it sweeps all the air with it. I take a little water bottle with
a piece of tubing taped in it and place it up at the reservoir and as the
fluid flushes up and out with the air the bottle catches the overflow. I do both
sides then get in and pump the brake handle or toe brakes about 10-15 times
fast and fairly hard to move any trapped bubbles around. Then a quick second
flush. Works perfect every time and never a any air left in the system. The fluid
waste is only about 2-3 oz. The auto DOT fluid will eat your "O" rings and
cause leaks in the tubing of your brake system. If you are having any issues
with the brakes and seals and use the DOT fluids now you know why. This is one
of my best tools in my shop for $10 and it takes no time and no hassle to bleed
a brake system.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
P.S.
If you want to keep corrosion of your planes metal parts Boeing T-9 works very
well. It was made for the Boeing aircraft company and will seal out all moisture.
Do no spray it on thing like brake disc or pads. It works and can be used
on an engine or any metal part or metal type (aluminum or steel)
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| From: | Brian <n3081x(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
Roger,
The Allegro calls for Dot 3,4 Brake fluid!!!!
brian
Sent from Brian's iPod
On Nov 4, 2010, at 7:40, "Roger Lee" wrote:
P.S.
If you want to keep corrosion of your planes metal parts Boeing T-9 works very
well. It was made for the Boeing aircraft company and will seal out all moisture.
Do no spray it on thing like brake disc or pads. It works and can be used
on an engine or any metal part or metal type (aluminum or steel)
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Brian,
DOT fluid might be suggested, but if all the components in the system don't then
you will have all these type issues you guys are talking about. I have seen
DOT brake fluid eat many "O"rings and seals. I was a victim many years ago because
someone said it was ok. Just something to consider.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
Hi Roger,
Just so I'm clear on this, do you suggest we ignore the Allegro maintenance
manual that specifically calls for DOT 3/4?
Thanks for your insight and experience!
...Brad...
N221FA / Bismarck ND
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-allegro-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: Allegro-List: Re: Brake components and seals
Hi Brian,
DOT fluid might be suggested, but if all the components in the system don't
then you will have all these type issues you guys are talking about. I have
seen DOT brake fluid eat many "O"rings and seals. I was a victim many years
ago because someone said it was ok. Just something to consider.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
| From: | "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1(at)yahoo.com> |
What I'm saying is you ought to be very suspicious of DOT fluids in your brake
system and if people continue to have issues then I would change and file for
an LOA for the 5600. I have filed many LOA's not only for individuals, but fleet
approvals for the Flight Design CT. I have changed the entire brake system
from the Marc Ingegno brakes to Matco's just for an example. The factory is not
always right and can and does use help from people in the field. Yes you should
get an LOA for the 5600 fluid change. So long as you have a good reason and
can back up any LOA change Mfg's will usually try to accommodate people.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated
Rotax Repair Center
Home 520-574-1080 TRY HOME FIRST
Cell 520349-7056
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| Subject: | Re: Brake components and seals |
What about DOT 5 silicon brake fluid (not 5.1) ?
Paul
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| Subject: | Please Support The Lists... |
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warning System for the Allegro 2000 |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
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