AnPMech-Archive.digest.vol-aa
November 24, 2002 - November 24, 2008
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | First Message to New AnPMech List! |
This is a first message to the new A&P Mechanics email list. Discussions
are related to Airframe and Powerplant issues, questions, and answers. All
are welcome to subscribe.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Maynard Rupp <maynardrupp(at)comcast.net> |
Does anyone have the actual text and applicability list for the new Cessna
SEB 03-1. I would like to know model applicability and method of
compliance.Maynardrupp(at)comcast.net
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | <phil(at)petrasoft.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists
in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone
that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a
moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your
direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these
valuable services you've come to expect.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
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=================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
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You provide a service to us kit builders that cannot be measured.
-Clifford M.
...great service to the aviation community.
-Curt R.
Thanks for being there - your List has really been of help.
-Thomas R.
Your lists have been most helpful to my RV-9A project.
-Dean V.
...has been a great help to me.
-Jim N.
..."must-have" for RV builders and pilots.
-Douglas W.
I find something every day on the List that helps me in my project.
-Ron P.
...very valuable!
-Patrick L.
Don't know that I could have persevered and succeeded without the List.
-Curt R.
...service continues to be awesome and is one of the most helpful resources
for homebuilding that I have ever found.
-Jim H.
The information and hours of entertainment many of us derive from the Lists
is priceless.
-Chris R.
I learn a lot about my [aircraft] through the Lists...
- Lee P.
Great source of education and entertainment. Love it!!!
-Lar B.
Great List & very well organized.
-Peter D.
I couldn't build my [airplane] without this List.
-William G.
The List is an important part of my daily routine.
-Roger H.
...incredible resource.
-Ron P.
Excellent facility.
-David M.
...unmatched service to all builders and flyers.
-Ralph C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and
also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here
provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | "Trampas" <tstern(at)nc.rr.com> |
I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
Regards,
Trampas Stern
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Smith
Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
Checking in from SW Virginia.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-
> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:30 AM
> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
>
>
> In a message dated 2/5/04 6:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> asq1(at)adelphia.net
> writes:
>
> > Cy & Matt,
> > Good to hear some noise on here. Maybe it will stir up someone. How
> many
> > people do we have on here? Larry Huntley
> ===========
> How many?
> Cy
> Matt
> Larry
> &
> Barry
>
> G'Morning all.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
John in from Madison Wisconsin.
>
> I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
>
> Regards,
> Trampas Stern
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Smith
> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
>
>
> Checking in from SW Virginia.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-
>> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:30 AM
>> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/5/04 6:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> asq1(at)adelphia.net
>> writes:
>>
>>> Cy & Matt,
>>> Good to hear some noise on here. Maybe it will stir up someone. How
>> many
>>> people do we have on here? Larry Huntley
>> ===========
>> How many?
>> Cy
>> Matt
>> Larry
>> &
>> Barry
>>
>> G'Morning all.
>>
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
John Hofmann
Manager, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
7600 Terrace Avenue, Ste. 203
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 608-831-3611, ext. 150
Fax: 608-831-5122
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Batcheller " <chris(at)tigeraviation.com> |
Howdy,
Chris from Daytona Beach/Deland/Merritt Island here.
Hope everyone is doing well. Has anyone taken the IA test recently? Any
suggestions.
Thanks,
Chris Batcheller
Aircraft Engineer
A&P Mechanic
CFI, CFII and MEI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Hofmann
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
John in from Madison Wisconsin.
>
> I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
>
> Regards,
> Trampas Stern
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Smith
> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
>
>
> Checking in from SW Virginia.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-
>> server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:30 AM
>> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/5/04 6:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> asq1(at)adelphia.net
>> writes:
>>
>>> Cy & Matt,
>>> Good to hear some noise on here. Maybe it will stir up someone. How
>> many
>>> people do we have on here? Larry Huntley
>> ===========
>> How many?
>> Cy
>> Matt
>> Larry
>> &
>> Barry
>>
>> G'Morning all.
>>
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
John Hofmann
Manager, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
7600 Terrace Avenue, Ste. 203
Middleton, WI 53562
Phone: 608-831-3611, ext. 150
Fax: 608-831-5122
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
==
==
==
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Terry Cowan <terry(at)metalshapers.org> |
| Subject: | Re: G'mornin & Intros... |
Good morning guys.
I'm also not an A&P -- I'm the moderator who started this list as a
spin-off from the Metalshapers list.
It's nice to see a little activity here. This would be a good time for some
introductions.
Thanks for getting it kicked off.
The group has 190 members. That's a lot of members for such a quiet group.
This group is called A&P -- but I originally set it up for Airframe &
Powerplant Mechanics and home builders -- so it's a fairly general aircraft
group, or at least that was the original intention.
If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
in general -- please let us know.
Not being involved in aircraft, I'm not the ideal moderator... so I could
use some volunteers to moderate and direct the group. So if anyone is
interested -- let me know.
Terry Cowan
Alvarado, Texas (South of Fort Worth)
At 09:11 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:
>
>John in from Madison Wisconsin.
>
> >
> > I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
> >
> > Regards,
> > Trampas Stern
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Trampas" <tstern(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | G'mornin & Intros... |
Well I am working on getting a new non-certified engine monitor to the
market, www.sterntech.com. I started this product to create an engine
monitor for my father-in-law who is building a 601.
I joined the list to try and keep informed of the problems that A&P's have
and see what features could be added to the monitor to help mechanics and
pilots.
Trampas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Cowan
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin & Intros...
Good morning guys.
I'm also not an A&P -- I'm the moderator who started this list as a
spin-off from the Metalshapers list.
It's nice to see a little activity here. This would be a good time for some
introductions.
Thanks for getting it kicked off.
The group has 190 members. That's a lot of members for such a quiet group.
This group is called A&P -- but I originally set it up for Airframe &
Powerplant Mechanics and home builders -- so it's a fairly general aircraft
group, or at least that was the original intention.
If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
in general -- please let us know.
Not being involved in aircraft, I'm not the ideal moderator... so I could
use some volunteers to moderate and direct the group. So if anyone is
interested -- let me know.
Terry Cowan
Alvarado, Texas (South of Fort Worth)
At 09:11 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:
>
>John in from Madison Wisconsin.
>
> >
> > I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
> >
> > Regards,
> > Trampas Stern
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
Sounds like we need to do a promotional. ;>) Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin
>
> In a message dated 2/5/04 6:42:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
asq1(at)adelphia.net
> writes:
>
> > Cy & Matt,
> > Good to hear some noise on here. Maybe it will stir up someone. How
many
> > people do we have on here? Larry Huntley
> ===========
> How many?
> Cy
> Matt
> Larry
> &
> Barry
>
> G'Morning all.
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kysh <vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.org> |
As Larry Huntley was saying:
>
> Cy & Matt,
> Good to hear some noise on here. Maybe it will stir up someone. How many
> people do we have on here? Larry Huntley
I'm here. (Yay). Not yet an A&P though.
-Kysh
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TeamGrumman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: G'mornin & Intros... |
In a message dated 02/05/04 07:36:41 AM, terry(at)metalshapers.org writes:
> If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
> here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
> in general -- please let us know.
>
Gary here, from AuCountry (that's Gold Country for those of youtrying to
figure it out) Aviation in Southern California. I'm an A&P/IA and specialize
in
Grumman American (Gulfstream-American, American General) Tigers and Cheetahs.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ric Ryburn" <ric(at)srclink.net> |
I'm here. I'm and A&P in Norfolk, Virginia.
Ric
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TeamGrumman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | G'mornin & Intros... (I hate it when that happens) |
In a message dated 02/05/04 07:36:41 AM, terry(at)metalshapers.org writes:
> If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
> here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
> in general -- please let us know.
>
oops, I hit the wrong return. Instant replay
Gary here, from AuCountry (that's Gold Country for those of youtrying to
figure it out) Aviation in Southern California.=A0 I'm an A&P/IA and specialize
in
Grumman American (Gulfstream-American, American General) Tigers and Cheetahs.
I have a website (www.AuCountry.com) and I do more than just work on
Grummans.
Over the past 5 years, I've developed,
1) a fiberglass eyebrow to replace the plastic one (goes over the
instruments and has lights in it.) I also made an eyebrow from early Cherokee's.
It's possible I could be making one for a Bonanza in the near future.
2) larger cooling air exit ramps for Cheetahs and Tigers. They has shown
to drop CHTs and oil temps by 15-30 degrees.
3) and a new cowling for Cheetahs and Tigers. Right now I am testing
three different configurations for the bottom of the cowling. The one I'm
testing right now has produced 150 knots (true) out of a really dirty Tiger.
4) and soon to come, I'll be the supplier (through Unlimited Composite
Designs, UCD) of the dorsil fins on Grummans, drilled control yokes for
push-to-talk, and more efficient wheel pants for Tigers and Cheetahs. Incidently,
if you
have an application that i can adapt the wheel pants to, let me know. These
wheel pants will look like the ones on the Cirrus.
My composites guy, Dave, at UCD, has developed carbon fiber hoods for cars,
cowling and interior parts, gear doors, rudder caps, nose bowls and numerous
other small parts for Cessna 310s, Dave is also the supplier for the Johnston
wingtips for the Piper Comanche.
Dave has also built ramps for getting planes onto scales capable of
supporting over 14,000 lbs. These ramps are made out of carbon fiber. He has
made
handicap ramps also. They were a piece-o-cake compared to the aircraft ramps.
If you need anything built out of fiberglas or carbon, let me know. Dave's
shop rate is half of what it should be.
Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TeamGrumman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: G'mornin (before I forget) |
Before I forget, I also have a list on this server.
teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com
On this list, we talk about all things. Including Grummans.
Gary
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
Hi Folks,
I have been on this list for months and have noticed almost no posts until
yesterday.I am on a little farm strip S of Dundee,NY. Been working on older
aircraft for a few years under an A&P IA, but have always wanted to have my
A&P, so I enrolled in and attended Baker's School in Nashville and received
my certificate last week.
Most of what I do is rag and tube. In recent years a Tripacer, Kitfox,Funk
,J-3 Cub and I have an Aeronca 65CA in the hanger rafters. I am trying to
get the Cub finished up as we speak.
Larry Huntley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
I have had a number of people ask me about where and how I received my A&P.
This link will take you to anything you need to know.
http://www.bakerssch.com/
If you need anything else,e-mail me at asq1(at)adelphia.net or call me at
607-292-6318. The main requirement is 30 months work in the field and a
recommendation from a current A&P or A&P IA. I put in my 30mo.++ over a
period of 35yrs.
Larry Huntley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Terry Cowan <terry(at)metalshapers.org> |
| Subject: | G'mornin & Intros... |
Oops -- Pardon me guys -- I got this list mixed up with another A&P list.
My aplogies.
I certainly had nothing to do with starting this list and I have no idea
how many are in this list.
I'll try to pay better attention next time.
But it's still nice to see the activity.
Terry Cowan
Metalshapers Association
Web site:
http://metalshapers.org
>Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:33:07 -0600
>To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
>From: Terry Cowan <terry(at)metalshapers.org>
>Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin & Intros...
>
>Good morning guys.
>
>I'm also not an A&P -- I'm the moderator who started this list as a
>spin-off from the Metalshapers list.
>
>It's nice to see a little activity here. This would be a good time for
>some introductions.
>
>Thanks for getting it kicked off.
>
>
>The group has 190 members. That's a lot of members for such a quiet group.
>
>This group is called A&P -- but I originally set it up for Airframe &
>Powerplant Mechanics and home builders -- so it's a fairly general
>aircraft group, or at least that was the original intention.
>
>If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
>here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
>in general -- please let us know.
>
>Not being involved in aircraft, I'm not the ideal moderator... so I could
>use some volunteers to moderate and direct the group. So if anyone is
>interested -- let me know.
>
>Terry Cowan
>Alvarado, Texas (South of Fort Worth)
>
>
>At 09:11 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:
>>
>>John in from Madison Wisconsin.
>>
>> >
>> > I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Trampas Stern
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: AnPMech-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 02/05/04 |
Merle,
I must have misunderstood. I read you are living at Pilot Country and you
are moving TO?? New Hampshire????? Been into Pilot Country a number of
times for gas. Nice place.
We live in NYS in the Finger Lakes area and fly across NH nearly every
summer to spend a bit of time in Eastport,Maine. If you make this ridiculous
decision to leave paradise and do end up in the frozen somewhat north,drop
us a line. ;>) Seriously,good luck on your move.
We moved down here to NY to be someplace warm. Everything is relative.
Larry Huntley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ronnie Koonce" <rlk(at)granderiver.net> |
| Subject: | How many people? |
I've wondered the same thing. I get a lot of mail from the Zenith list, and none
from the A&P.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fred Kunkel" <rvator(at)socal.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: G'mornin & Intros... |
Good evening from SoCal,
I'm not an A&P, but am building an RV-6A & own an aircraft tool company.
While we do a fair amount of business with the RV & Experimental community
in general, the majority of our business is with light to heavy aerospace
manufacturing firms here in the SoCal area & elsewhere. However, we always
like to learn &, if anyone has any questions about sheetmetal tools &/or
their application, please let us know - if we don't know the answer we have
some pretty good sources to get the facts for you.
Blue Skies,
Fred W. Kunkel
CLEAR AIR
http://clearairtools.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Cowan" <terry(at)metalshapers.org>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin & Intros...
>
> Good morning guys.
>
> I'm also not an A&P -- I'm the moderator who started this list as a
> spin-off from the Metalshapers list.
>
> It's nice to see a little activity here. This would be a good time for
some
> introductions.
>
> Thanks for getting it kicked off.
>
>
> The group has 190 members. That's a lot of members for such a quiet group.
>
> This group is called A&P -- but I originally set it up for Airframe &
> Powerplant Mechanics and home builders -- so it's a fairly general
aircraft
> group, or at least that was the original intention.
>
> If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
> here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
> in general -- please let us know.
>
> Not being involved in aircraft, I'm not the ideal moderator... so I could
> use some volunteers to moderate and direct the group. So if anyone is
> interested -- let me know.
>
> Terry Cowan
> Alvarado, Texas (South of Fort Worth)
>
>
> At 09:11 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:
> >
> >John in from Madison Wisconsin.
> >
> > >
> > > I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Trampas Stern
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | tom <ditapo(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: G'mornin & Intros... |
I'm Tom Layton I am a night working semi-conductor technition and also loosing
all my sleep to attend A&P school during the day full time. It's worth it though
:) !! I want to get my A&P to be able to take care of my Yak 55m and Kitfox
better. They have both became a little behind the airworthiness curve and I'm
trying to get them back in shape.
Kunkel"
Good evening from SoCal,
I'm not an A&P, but am building an RV-6A & own an aircraft tool company.
While we do a fair amount of business with the RV & Experimental community
in general, the majority of our business is with light to heavy aerospace
manufacturing firms here in the SoCal area & elsewhere. However, we always
like to learn &, if anyone has any questions about sheetmetal tools &/or
their application, please let us know - if we don't know the answer we have
some pretty good sources to get the facts for you.
Blue Skies,
Fred W. Kunkel
CLEAR AIR
http://clearairtools.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Cowan"
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin & Intros...
>
> Good morning guys.
>
> I'm also not an A&P -- I'm the moderator who started this list as a
> spin-off from the Metalshapers list.
>
> It's nice to see a little activity here. This would be a good time for
some
> introductions.
>
> Thanks for getting it kicked off.
>
>
> The group has 190 members. That's a lot of members for such a quiet group.
>
> This group is called A&P -- but I originally set it up for Airframe &
> Powerplant Mechanics and home builders -- so it's a fairly general
aircraft
> group, or at least that was the original intention.
>
> If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball rolling
> here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the group
> in general -- please let us know.
>
> Not being involved in aircraft, I'm not the ideal moderator... so I could
> use some volunteers to moderate and direct the group. So if anyone is
> interested -- let me know.
>
> Terry Cowan
> Alvarado, Texas (South of Fort Worth)
>
>
> At 09:11 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:
> >
> >John in from Madison Wisconsin.
> >
> > >
> > > I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Trampas Stern
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net> |
| Subject: | G'mornin/master switch/blkhd contrs |
hi group...
no doubt this group has and represnets an interesting background. i have an
extensive mechanical background and am an experienced metal worker. i am an
experienced pilot and recently acquired a challenger II. i am a ultralight
basic flight instructor, also. while i am a ga pilot... i plan to be more
involved with the challenger community of flyers and builders to accomplish
personal flying. given the sport pilot rulings planned by faa... i am
planning on securing the faa repairman's/inspectors license proposed for
sport pilot. i have heard it to be an 80-hr course.
i will have to n-number my a/c in sev years, if sp is passed. currently i
want to install a MASTER SWITCH. i like the one covered with red cover. i
think it activates a solenoid at the BAT connection. can any one help me to
source it?
i have a 3 lite strobe. the wire to the front L R wing comes thru a fuselage
bulkhead. about 1/4' +/-, the gray cables have green, red, blk wires in
them about telephone wire size or a bit larger. need to establish a
connection... and connectors so i can disconnet cables when wings removed?
anybody got any rotax service experience...?
hope to hear from you...
regards
jg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net> |
| Subject: | Re: G'mornin & Intros... |
cool stuff...
thanks for info
jg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Kunkel" <rvator(at)socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin & Intros...
>
> Good evening from SoCal,
>
> I'm not an A&P, but am building an RV-6A & own an aircraft tool company.
> While we do a fair amount of business with the RV & Experimental community
> in general, the majority of our business is with light to heavy aerospace
> manufacturing firms here in the SoCal area & elsewhere. However, we always
> like to learn &, if anyone has any questions about sheetmetal tools &/or
> their application, please let us know - if we don't know the answer we
have
> some pretty good sources to get the facts for you.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Fred W. Kunkel
> CLEAR AIR
> http://clearairtools.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Cowan" <terry(at)metalshapers.org>
> To:
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: G'mornin & Intros...
>
>
> >
> > Good morning guys.
> >
> > I'm also not an A&P -- I'm the moderator who started this list as a
> > spin-off from the Metalshapers list.
> >
> > It's nice to see a little activity here. This would be a good time for
> some
> > introductions.
> >
> > Thanks for getting it kicked off.
> >
> >
> > The group has 190 members. That's a lot of members for such a quiet
group.
> >
> > This group is called A&P -- but I originally set it up for Airframe &
> > Powerplant Mechanics and home builders -- so it's a fairly general
> aircraft
> > group, or at least that was the original intention.
> >
> > If you guys will introduce yourselves that will help get the ball
rolling
> > here. And if you have any comments on topics or the direction of the
group
> > in general -- please let us know.
> >
> > Not being involved in aircraft, I'm not the ideal moderator... so I
could
> > use some volunteers to moderate and direct the group. So if anyone is
> > interested -- let me know.
> >
> > Terry Cowan
> > Alvarado, Texas (South of Fort Worth)
> >
> >
> > At 09:11 AM 2/5/04, you wrote:
>
> > >
> > >John in from Madison Wisconsin.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I not an AP but howdy from North Carolina
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Trampas Stern
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net> |
hi
thanks for info... i am also on a lil farm also in tx. and in hou... i think
i will set up a folder and keep interesting data, info on each's skills,
area of interest for future reference...
congrats on the rating...
i am working on challengers with another that is also a challenger owner.
any ideas on my bulkhead work and master switch sourceing needs?
thanks
jg
>
> Hi Folks,
> I have been on this list for months and have noticed almost no posts
until
> yesterday.I am on a little farm strip S of Dundee,NY. Been working on
older
> aircraft for a few years under an A&P IA, but have always wanted to have
my
> A&P, so I enrolled in and attended Baker's School in Nashville and
received
> my certificate last week.
> Most of what I do is rag and tube. In recent years a Tripacer,
Kitfox,Funk
> ,J-3 Cub and I have an Aeronca 65CA in the hanger rafters. I am trying to
> get the Cub finished up as we speak.
> Larry Huntley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net> |
hi
ha! lol... ;) moved 'down to NY" brrrr-to be warm...
so tx... now that is warm... but not now... 40s brrr
but everything is relative...
jg
> We moved down here to NY to be someplace warm. Everything is relative.
> Larry Huntley
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Matronics Internet Connection Repaired!! |
hi
i got email from...AnPMech-List
now
AnPMech-List: Matronics
what is real list?
thanks
jg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
jg Northern NY is like the tropics after Barrow and Kotzebue,AK for 10
years. Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net>
Subject: AnPMech-List: to be warm?
>
> hi
>
> ha! lol... ;) moved 'down to NY" brrrr-to be warm...
>
> so tx... now that is warm... but not now... 40s brrr
>
> but everything is relative...
>
> jg
>
>
> > We moved down here to NY to be someplace warm. Everything is relative.
> > Larry
Huntley
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
jg,
Did you check Aircraft Spruce for the switch ?
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "jam'n" <jghunter(at)nol.net>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Intro
>
> hi
> thanks for info... i am also on a lil farm also in tx. and in hou... i
think
> i will set up a folder and keep interesting data, info on each's skills,
> area of interest for future reference...
>
> congrats on the rating...
>
> i am working on challengers with another that is also a challenger owner.
>
> any ideas on my bulkhead work and master switch sourceing needs?
>
> thanks
>
> jg
>
>
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > I have been on this list for months and have noticed almost no posts
> until
> > yesterday.I am on a little farm strip S of Dundee,NY. Been working on
> older
> > aircraft for a few years under an A&P IA, but have always wanted to have
> my
> > A&P, so I enrolled in and attended Baker's School in Nashville and
> received
> > my certificate last week.
> > Most of what I do is rag and tube. In recent years a Tripacer,
> Kitfox,Funk
> > ,J-3 Cub and I have an Aeronca 65CA in the hanger rafters. I am trying
to
> > get the Cub finished up as we speak.
> > Larry Huntley
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
DNA: not not archive
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings
about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to
start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so
please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to
the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough
that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said...
There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
"your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access"
"Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail
content) outgoing from your e-mail account"
"Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In
order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions."
"Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two
days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to
configure our free auto-forwarding service."
All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to
click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your
system", or "check your system for infections".
These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and
propagate even more copies of the original message.
The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming
from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing
dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that
appear to be from "support(at)matronics.com", "management(at)matronics.com",
"administration(at)matronics.com", and "staff(at)matronics.com".
The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged
source address, seem even more legitimate.
Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you
these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that
has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than
Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in
a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily
basis.
Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of
viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this
email with any comments. You may write to me directly at
dralle(at)matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List.
Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to
assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages.
Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date!
Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance
has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in
an 18 hour period!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
rom Ma tronics...
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be F |
rom Ma tronics...
Thanks Matt for the update and for keeping our Lists virus free.
Richard Hebert
Director - Billing Analysis
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privileged information. You may not read, copy or distribute it's contents
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-----Original Message-----
From: dralle(at)matronics.com [mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com]
Subject: AnPMech-List: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be
From Ma tronics...
Dear Listers,
First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings
about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to
start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so
please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to
the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough
that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said...
There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
"your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access"
"Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail
content) outgoing from your e-mail account"
"Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In
order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions."
"Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two
days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to
configure our free auto-forwarding service."
All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to
click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your
system", or "check your system for infections".
These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and
propagate even more copies of the original message.
The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming
from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing
dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that
appear to be from "support(at)matronics.com", "management(at)matronics.com",
"administration(at)matronics.com", and "staff(at)matronics.com".
The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged
source address, seem even more legitimate.
Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you
these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that
has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than
Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in
a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily
basis.
Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of
viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this
email with any comments. You may write to me directly at
dralle(at)matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List.
Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to
assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages.
Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date!
Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance
has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in
an 18 hour period!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Huntley" <asq1(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | rocker shaft A-65 |
I have 2 engines. Both are A-65 or A-75. I have 3 different wall thickness
rocker shafts. Can someone shed some light on this. Thanx, Larry
Huntley,Dundee,NY
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Trampas" <tstern(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Cylinder numbering IO-540 |
I was wondering what is the cylinder numbering scheme for the IO-540. Also
does anyone know if there is a chart showing the different engines and the
cylinder numbering?
I would also appreciate any references to as to normal engine parameters for
various engines, like CHTs, EGTs, and oil temperature and pressure.
Thanks
Trampas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Trampas" <tstern(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Cylinder numbering IO-540 |
Well I think I figured it out... The Continental is cylinder numbering is
like a Lycoming with engine turned 180 degrees.
I was asking as that I am making an engine monitor and had numerous requests
for the EGT and CHT gauges to represent the cylinder placement. See enclosed
bit map, which has a Lycoming on left and Continental on right.
Trampas
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Santa Maria CA Fly-In (April 30-May 2) |
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement
for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has
become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked
aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to
be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks!
~~Cory Emberson
KHWD
>>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<<
Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig
to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004
at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX)
www.smxgig.org
SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year,
our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado!
"MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery
at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed,
energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the
United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education.
If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org.
All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson.
Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday
morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm
still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals):
MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting
Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that
occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology
for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps.
ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It
Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a
remarkable job of making physics phun!
BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA
Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their
medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee.
DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots
Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org
PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas
Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments
regarding our fuel of choice.
MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe
Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but
return "home" often.
As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card.
Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com).
DOLLARS AND CENTS
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that
covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers.
The fee is $160 per person, and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday afternoon lunch
- Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double
room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as
a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference
listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help,
but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how
many existing guests are in those rooms.
You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11,
2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate.
The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and
rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that
date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend.
The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ).
Thanks, and see you there!
best, Cory Emberson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MikeReiman(at)webtv.net (The Reiman Corporation) |
Hi Fellow BIrd Builders,
Tell me, Anyone know of any Grumman Tigers, AA5B's anywhere?
Thanks,
Mike Reiman
The Reiman Corporation, CEO
2505 South Ocean Boulevard
Palm Beach, Florida 33480
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Johnson <entec1(at)pld.com> |
| Subject: | You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! |
Dear Customer!
You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website!
You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link:
http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv
or by clicking the attached link.
Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire!
Best regards: SNAF.Team (R).
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! |
| From: | Steven Fingerhut <beechboy(at)nctv.com> |
Russell,
I received several of these msgs, however, I am receing a msg that the
server could not be found when I go to them.
Steve
> From: Russell Johnson <entec1(at)pld.com>
> Reply-To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004
> To:
> Subject: AnPMech-List: You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage!
>
>
> Dear Customer!
>
> You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage from voicemessage.com website!
> You can listen your Virtual VoiceMessage at the following link:
> http://virt.voicemessage.com/index.listen.php2=35affv
> or by clicking the attached link.
>
> Send VoiceMessage! Try our new virtual VoiceMessage Empire!
> Best regards: SNAF.Team (R).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rex & Jan Shaw" <rexjan(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Re voice message link |
As already noted on the list I too have had the same experience that the
site cannot be found. Frankly I was then nervous about viruses as this is
now such a bad problem. Certainly seems strange.
Rex.
rexjan(at)bigpond.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists |
Dear Listers,
Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their
Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send
another set in a couple of days.
Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few
days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like
support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few
days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the
last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time!
Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
----------------- More of What Listers Are Saying... --------------------
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Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back
and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists].
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
Dear Listers,
Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be
re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the
Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name
Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should
work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours
or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate
into the depths of the Internet.
If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a
bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it
again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of
Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even
notice! :-)
Thanks for your patience!
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Cessna Brushable Black? |
OK, folks - am I the only one subscribed to this list? I've been watching it
now for about 6 months and *nada*. Not a single post. Are we all too busy
fixing aircraft?
Seriously, I'm looking for a product. Cessna uses it exclusively on the
Citations - it's a brushable black....paint? sealant? something. It's used
and applied similar to edge sealant on deice boots, but it looks fantastic
when done.
Unfortunately, I haven't used it in years, and can't remember what it's
really called, except -
"Brushable Black".
Can y'all help?
Richard Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna Brushable Black? |
Hi Perry:
I must agree ... A non active BBS if there ever was one.
Sorry I can't help with the brushable black.
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ric Ryburn" <ric(at)srclink.net> |
| Subject: | Cessna Brushable Black? |
Richard
I won't be able to check the manuals until Monday, but I'll see if I can get
a P/N for you.
I believe the same material is also used on Cessna 208s, tho...
Ric Ryburn
A&P
Norfolk, VA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard T.
> Perry
> Subject: AnPMech-List: Cessna Brushable Black?
>
> OK, folks - am I the only one subscribed to this list? I've been
> watching it
> now for about 6 months and *nada*. Not a single post. Are we all too busy
> fixing aircraft?
>
> Seriously, I'm looking for a product. Cessna uses it exclusively on the
> Citations - it's a brushable black....paint? sealant? something.
> It's used
> and applied similar to edge sealant on deice boots, but it looks
> fantastic
> when done.
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't used it in years, and can't remember what it's
> really called, except -
>
> "Brushable Black".
>
> Can y'all help?
>
> Richard Perry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jimisown(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna Brushable Black? |
I can't answer your question, but it is good to see other people are on this
list!
Rev. Jim Lingenfelter
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cessna Brushable Black? |
EC 801 3M corporation conductive sealer. Need an electrical conductive
sealer on boots for when they get to close to lighting and the leading edge
becomes an aurora , ect. I also know of The BF Goodrich boot repair kit edge
sealer too. Actually EC 801 is a poly sulfide base two part compound. I
remember the PR 1425 erosion resistant sealer for around heated type windscreens.
Also pro seal makes, or made a fire resistant black seal for nacelles on
the Transport category requirements. It was never very tough though. What is
your application. I used to be a fuel leak sealing guru. David
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ECLarsen81(at)aol.com |
Just another out here in ether land checking in.
Ed
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt(at)hotmail.com> |
Holy Cow - there's people out there!
David and everyone else - thanks for the comments. I tried Cessna tech
support and got a "non-answer". EC801 is actually what we're using right now
(Goodrich boots). It just doesn't last in our environment - tropical
humidity and salt-laden (I'm a contractor for the US Army on an island atoll
in the Pacific.) Holds down about 6-8 weeks and then just peels off in
strips. I think the only way we're going to keep that from happening is to
apply it in an air-conditioned space (which isn't likely to happen.)
We were hoping that the Cessna product might work better.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt(at)hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
________________________________________________________________________________
If I had any extra time I would go to one of those Inspection Renewals to
see if any of my old buds are still around. Is ether land in the contiguous
United States?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ECLarsen81(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:37:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dww0708(at)aol.com writes:
Is ether land in the contiguous
United States?
Sure it is
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade... |
Dear Listers,
I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This includes
some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable processors -
as well as a complete operating system upgrade from scratch. I hope to
have both the old system and the new system running at the same time to
minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but a
few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show up
on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then please
just try posting it again.
Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
to it as often as you like:
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
possible!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! |
Dear Listers,
The upgrade of the Matronics Email Server can be considered complete at
this time. All known issues related to the upgrade process have been
resolved and email services are running normal. The Nightly Digest
processing has not yet been tested and will wait for tonight's update.
If you encounter any odd behavior with respect to the Matronics Email
Server over the next few days, please contact me via email at
dralle(at)matronics.com or if that fails try dralle(at)speakeasy.net.
Thanks to everyone for being patient through this arduous process of a
major system upgrade!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
>Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
>possible!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Bill Smith <ocleju(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki |
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that is also a fun group and is not
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The FlyGeo_uncensored Management
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard T Perry" <perryrt(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Part 65 revision news? |
Since I know there are at least 4 more of us out there watching this list...
Did anyone else take a look at the early stage proposal to modify FAR 43 and
65 yet? It's available off the PAMA homepage (www.pama.org - I'm not
affiliated with them - they cost too much!). It includes a "white paper"
written by an FAA employee (Bill O'Brien, whom I've met and respect). A
quick summary:
He suggests a two-phase implementation.
In phase 1:
- They FINALLY get around to defining "airworthy" and "condition for safe
operation".
- They make a few changes to the IA progam - 2 year renewals (but double
the amount of required operations), the ability to use 91.409 inspection
programs (large/turbine aircraft) to qualify.
- IA's get the ability to sign an 8130-3 for return-to-service.
- A&P's get the ability to overhaul "wet" compasses.
- They require pilots to be "trained" to perform PM tasks (that's going to
be interesting to prove!)
In phase 2:
- Restructure Pt.43 so that the rules that apply to different kinds
(TC/Experimental/Light-Sport/Public-use)of aircraft are all together and
clearer.
- Change the App A Major/Minor definitions (apparently this had already been
worked, but not implemented)
- Change App. D (Scope and Detail) to an AC and signifigantly revise.
- Update the alt/xpnder check requirements (I'm guessing this is a
requirement from ICAO, given RVSM and all.)
- Develop an "avionics" rating under Pt 65 (this one's a doozy - it's gonna
take a while).
- Develop an "Aviation Maintenance Engineer" rating under Pt 65 (ditto the
above comment).
I'm not sure if it's intended that the AME rating might ever replace the IA
(it requires college coursework, rather than just experience) but it appears
to have a lot of the same (projected) privileges, so if it sounds like a
duck, and looks like a duck, then it must be a Grumman aircraft (sorry, bad
joke.)
Phase 1 looks like it might be out "there" pretty fast, he suggests trying
to attach it to the Commercial Spaceflight NPRM (which is supposed to be out
in November.)
Phase 2 ... My guess is 3 to 4 years until implementation. At least.
Any comments? My overall impression is that it's better than the old Pt. 66
proposal - on the rest, time will tell....
I'm sure that my posting this is like bringing up the value of Morse Code in
a room full of Amateur Radio operators (i.e. sure to provoke a heated
discussion), but I figured I would at least spread the word since this might
affect us all one of these days.
Anyway, back to my tech pub revisions and dreaming about building a
Pietenpol.
Regards -
Richard Perry (A&P/IA)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Part 65 revision news? |
No, I had not seen this but it does look interesting. The FAA moves so
slowly on controversial things like this that I hesitate to get too excited.
This would really affect me, however, since I do have an A&P, IA, and
Repairman certificates. I also own a one-man Repair Station doing avionics
work.
Phase 1 looks OK and I like 2yr renewall and the 8130 idea. Just have to
wait and see. As long as I don't lose anything, I'm OK with the changes.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard T Perry" <perryrt(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Part 65 revision news?
>
> Since I know there are at least 4 more of us out there watching this
list...
>
> Did anyone else take a look at the early stage proposal to modify FAR 43
and
> 65 yet? It's available off the PAMA homepage (www.pama.org - I'm not
> affiliated with them - they cost too much!). It includes a "white paper"
> written by an FAA employee (Bill O'Brien, whom I've met and respect). A
> quick summary:
>
> He suggests a two-phase implementation.
>
> In phase 1:
> - They FINALLY get around to defining "airworthy" and "condition for safe
> operation".
> - They make a few changes to the IA progam - 2 year renewals (but double
> the amount of required operations), the ability to use 91.409 inspection
> programs (large/turbine aircraft) to qualify.
> - IA's get the ability to sign an 8130-3 for return-to-service.
> - A&P's get the ability to overhaul "wet" compasses.
> - They require pilots to be "trained" to perform PM tasks (that's going to
> be interesting to prove!)
>
> In phase 2:
> - Restructure Pt.43 so that the rules that apply to different kinds
> (TC/Experimental/Light-Sport/Public-use)of aircraft are all together and
> clearer.
> - Change the App A Major/Minor definitions (apparently this had already
been
> worked, but not implemented)
> - Change App. D (Scope and Detail) to an AC and signifigantly revise.
> - Update the alt/xpnder check requirements (I'm guessing this is a
> requirement from ICAO, given RVSM and all.)
> - Develop an "avionics" rating under Pt 65 (this one's a doozy - it's
gonna
> take a while).
> - Develop an "Aviation Maintenance Engineer" rating under Pt 65 (ditto the
> above comment).
>
> I'm not sure if it's intended that the AME rating might ever replace the
IA
> (it requires college coursework, rather than just experience) but it
appears
> to have a lot of the same (projected) privileges, so if it sounds like a
> duck, and looks like a duck, then it must be a Grumman aircraft (sorry,
bad
> joke.)
>
> Phase 1 looks like it might be out "there" pretty fast, he suggests trying
> to attach it to the Commercial Spaceflight NPRM (which is supposed to be
out
> in November.)
>
> Phase 2 ... My guess is 3 to 4 years until implementation. At least.
>
> Any comments? My overall impression is that it's better than the old Pt.
66
> proposal - on the rest, time will tell....
>
> I'm sure that my posting this is like bringing up the value of Morse Code
in
> a room full of Amateur Radio operators (i.e. sure to provoke a heated
> discussion), but I figured I would at least spread the word since this
might
> affect us all one of these days.
>
> Anyway, back to my tech pub revisions and dreaming about building a
> Pietenpol.
>
> Regards -
>
> Richard Perry (A&P/IA)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Morelli" <billvt(at)together.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Part 65 revision news? |
Hey Guys,
I am an A&P student, attending a part 147 school. I recently passed my general
/ airframe writtens & O/P's so I'm now officially and Airframe Mechanic and will
be finishing the powerplant training by December of this year.
I also have a repairman certificate for the Zenith Zodiac that I built and fly.
When I took my O's and P's, the DME that gave me the tests said that after I
got my mechanics license, I would lose my repairman certificate. Does that sound
right to you guys???
Thanks,
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Part 65 revision news? |
The short answer is yes, per the Scottsdale FSDO (take that for what
it's worth). I have not researched the regulation on the issue. AS it
was explained to me the A&P certificate supersedes the Repairman's
certificate, but you still have the Repairman's certificate in your
record. An example presented to me was if you loose your A&P because of
some form of certificate action and they did not take at the same time
take your Repairman's certificate you could then get your repairman's
certificate reissued. That would be a strange circumstance but is how
the Fed. explained it to me.
Mike Larkin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Morelli
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
Hey Guys,
I am an A&P student, attending a part 147 school. I recently passed my
general / airframe writtens & O/P's so I'm now officially and Airframe
Mechanic and will be finishing the powerplant training by December of
this year.
I also have a repairman certificate for the Zenith Zodiac that I built
and fly. When I took my O's and P's, the DME that gave me the tests said
that after I got my mechanics license, I would lose my repairman
certificate. Does that sound right to you guys???
Thanks,
Bill
--
8/25/2005
--
8/25/2005
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Part 65 revision news? |
Depends on what the repairmans' certificate is for. His was to be able to do
inspecitons on the aircraft he built. since an A&P can also do that
inspection, I guess the A&P takes control. However, in my situation, I have
a repairmans certificate to do specialized inspections that are outside the
scope of an A&P authority. Even thought I have an A&P IA, I also have a
repairmans certificate to do transponder and altimeter inspections.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
> The short answer is yes, per the Scottsdale FSDO (take that for what
> it's worth). I have not researched the regulation on the issue. AS it
> was explained to me the A&P certificate supersedes the Repairman's
> certificate, but you still have the Repairman's certificate in your
> record. An example presented to me was if you loose your A&P because of
> some form of certificate action and they did not take at the same time
> take your Repairman's certificate you could then get your repairman's
> certificate reissued. That would be a strange circumstance but is how
> the Fed. explained it to me.
>
> Mike Larkin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Morelli
> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I am an A&P student, attending a part 147 school. I recently passed my
> general / airframe writtens & O/P's so I'm now officially and Airframe
> Mechanic and will be finishing the powerplant training by December of
> this year.
> I also have a repairman certificate for the Zenith Zodiac that I built
> and fly. When I took my O's and P's, the DME that gave me the tests said
> that after I got my mechanics license, I would lose my repairman
> certificate. Does that sound right to you guys???
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> --
> 8/25/2005
>
>
> --
> 8/25/2005
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Part 65 revision news? |
In most cases those types of repairman certificates are issued under a
repair station license and are not transferable.
Mike Larkin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Ferrer
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
<mike@ferrer-aviation.com>
Depends on what the repairmans' certificate is for. His was to be able
to do
inspecitons on the aircraft he built. since an A&P can also do that
inspection, I guess the A&P takes control. However, in my situation, I
have
a repairmans certificate to do specialized inspections that are outside
the
scope of an A&P authority. Even thought I have an A&P IA, I also have a
repairmans certificate to do transponder and altimeter inspections.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
> The short answer is yes, per the Scottsdale FSDO (take that for what
> it's worth). I have not researched the regulation on the issue. AS
it
> was explained to me the A&P certificate supersedes the Repairman's
> certificate, but you still have the Repairman's certificate in your
> record. An example presented to me was if you loose your A&P because
of
> some form of certificate action and they did not take at the same time
> take your Repairman's certificate you could then get your repairman's
> certificate reissued. That would be a strange circumstance but is how
> the Fed. explained it to me.
>
> Mike Larkin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Morelli
> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I am an A&P student, attending a part 147 school. I recently passed my
> general / airframe writtens & O/P's so I'm now officially and Airframe
> Mechanic and will be finishing the powerplant training by December of
> this year.
> I also have a repairman certificate for the Zenith Zodiac that I built
> and fly. When I took my O's and P's, the DME that gave me the tests
said
> that after I got my mechanics license, I would lose my repairman
> certificate. Does that sound right to you guys???
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> --
> 8/25/2005
>
>
> --
> 8/25/2005
>
>
--
8/25/2005
--
8/25/2005
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Part 65 revision news? |
Yes, that is true. However, the point I was trying to make is that an A&P
certificate does not supercede all repairman certificates.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
> In most cases those types of repairman certificates are issued under a
> repair station license and are not transferable.
>
> Mike Larkin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Ferrer
> To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
> <mike@ferrer-aviation.com>
>
> Depends on what the repairmans' certificate is for. His was to be able
> to do
> inspecitons on the aircraft he built. since an A&P can also do that
> inspection, I guess the A&P takes control. However, in my situation, I
> have
> a repairmans certificate to do specialized inspections that are outside
> the
> scope of an A&P authority. Even thought I have an A&P IA, I also have a
> repairmans certificate to do transponder and altimeter inspections.
>
> Mike
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Larkin" <mlas(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
>
>
> >
> > The short answer is yes, per the Scottsdale FSDO (take that for what
> > it's worth). I have not researched the regulation on the issue. AS
> it
> > was explained to me the A&P certificate supersedes the Repairman's
> > certificate, but you still have the Repairman's certificate in your
> > record. An example presented to me was if you loose your A&P because
> of
> > some form of certificate action and they did not take at the same time
> > take your Repairman's certificate you could then get your repairman's
> > certificate reissued. That would be a strange circumstance but is how
> > the Fed. explained it to me.
> >
> > Mike Larkin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> > Morelli
> > To: anpmech-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: Part 65 revision news?
> >
>
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > I am an A&P student, attending a part 147 school. I recently passed my
> > general / airframe writtens & O/P's so I'm now officially and Airframe
> > Mechanic and will be finishing the powerplant training by December of
> > this year.
> > I also have a repairman certificate for the Zenith Zodiac that I built
> > and fly. When I took my O's and P's, the DME that gave me the tests
> said
> > that after I got my mechanics license, I would lose my repairman
> > certificate. Does that sound right to you guys???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > --
> > 8/25/2005
> >
> >
> > --
> > 8/25/2005
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> 8/25/2005
>
>
> --
> 8/25/2005
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm |
PDT
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Bill Morelli" <billvt(at)together.net> |
I am an A&P part 147 tech school student (have my Airframe, almost finished with
Powerplant)
Our school has a Dynamic Solutions Systems vibration test set and yesterday a representative
from Dynamic Solutions gave a talk and hands on demo of prop balancing,
rotor balancing, etc.
What a slick piece of test equipment (expensive too!!)
Anyway, I had asked the rep if the balancing of a prop that required say holes
to be drilled in the spinner backing plate to add weights would be considered
a minor or major alteration.
He said that in his experience, it depends on what FSDO you are dealing with.
One thing I have learned already is how inconsistent the Feds are!!!!
I was just wondering what the experiences of you folks on the A&P list has been
with regard to this?
Thanks,
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
I have the ACES prop balancer and their FAA-approved manual requires a 337
if you add weight. From their manual...
"Modification of the spinner bulkhead, either by drilling or adding weights
in the form of nuts, bolts, washers, or any combination thereof, requires
the completion of FAA Form 337 for return to service."
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt(at)together.net>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Vibration
>
> I am an A&P part 147 tech school student (have my Airframe, almost
finished with Powerplant)
>
> Our school has a Dynamic Solutions Systems vibration test set and
yesterday a representative from Dynamic Solutions gave a talk and hands on
demo of prop balancing, rotor balancing, etc.
>
> What a slick piece of test equipment (expensive too!!)
>
> Anyway, I had asked the rep if the balancing of a prop that required say
holes to be drilled in the spinner backing plate to add weights would be
considered a minor or major alteration.
>
> He said that in his experience, it depends on what FSDO you are dealing
with.
>
> One thing I have learned already is how inconsistent the Feds are!!!!
>
> I was just wondering what the experiences of you folks on the A&P list has
been with regard to this?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/4/05 11:11:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
billvt(at)together.net writes:
>
> I am an A&P part 147 tech school student (have my Airframe, almost
finished
> with Powerplant)
>
> Our school has a Dynamic Solutions Systems vibration test set and
yesterday
> a representative from Dynamic Solutions gave a talk and hands on demo of
prop
> balancing, rotor balancing, etc.
>
> What a slick piece of test equipment (expensive too!!)
>
> Anyway, I had asked the rep if the balancing of a prop that required say
> holes to be drilled in the spinner backing plate to add weights would be
> considered a minor or major alteration.
>
> He said that in his experience, it depends on what FSDO you are dealing
with.
>
>
> One thing I have learned already is how inconsistent the Feds are!!!!
>
> I was just wondering what the experiences of you folks on the A&P list has
> been with regard to this?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
=====================
Bill:
Real Life answer here. YES! Each FSDO has its own ... Let's call them
uniquities. They are all familiar with prop balancing. So if all you put down
in
the 337 was, "Attached 8.5 Gram and 14.0 Gram respectively, balance weights at
the 12 O'clock and 7 O'clock position on the geared flywheel." That would be
enough. Since there was NO Fabrication and NO weighable amount of material
removal it would be considered a MINOR Alteration.
There are many circumstances where even a large amount of work is considered
MINOR Alterations. Consider doing a reupholster job. That is minor.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
Just curious how many of you independant A&P mechanics and small shop
operators carry liability insurance. If you do, how much did it cost? If you
don't, did you do anything with your personal and business assets to
minimize exposure to law suits?
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TeamGrumman(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/11/05 7:27:18 AM, mike@ferrer-aviation.com writes:
> If you
> don't, did you do anything with your personal and business assets to
> minimize exposure to law suits?
>
yea, I leveraged myself into 100,000 dollars in debt. they can have it all.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05 |
Hello, I joined this list a couple weeks ago to see if there was
anything
interesting being discussed. -Not even a friendly argument.
I got my A&P at Northrop in 1970 but have never used the ticket for
gainful employment. (maybe a $ or two on the side).
It has been big help, even with other jobs through the years and for
maintaining planes that I have owned.
I recently finished the test phase of a Kolb MkIII and will turn 65
in Jan 06. Looking forward to a few more years of aviating.
Bob Bean, Scottsville, NY
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| From: | "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05 |
Bob, I am kinda the reverse of you. I have been an aviation nut my whole
life, now at age 56 I am working on getting my A&P license. I have my own
aircraft, and plan to mostly maintain it. The ticket just might make
retirement a little easier to get started.
Wes
N7337G
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob" <n107bs(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05 |
Hmmm, sounds like introduction time ;-)
Also 56 & will be taking A&P tests this winter. Have partially constructed
a Mustang II homebuilt, a Pitts S1, and completed and currently flying a One
Design aerobatic plane (www.bob.scherer.name).
Also currently working part-timer at a small GA maintenance shop and want to
focus on restoration and/or homebuilts as retirement work - (ie-less than
full time/business owner) after obtaining ratings.
Anyone that can offer a lead for someone needing help in that kind of
business would be appreciated!
Bob Scherer
Lutherville, MD - (willing to relocate)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes Bunker
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05
Bob, I am kinda the reverse of you. I have been an aviation nut my whole
life, now at age 56 I am working on getting my A&P license. I have my own
aircraft, and plan to mostly maintain it. The ticket just might make
retirement a little easier to get started.
Wes
N7337G
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/11/05 |
Wes and Bob: when I got my ticket the only real paying opportunities
were at the big airline facilities in places like SF, Chicago, etc.
I didn't want to be a shop rat in a big city area. I checked out a
small
flight service in my hometown area who would have hired me but
at a sub-living wage. I've heard all those "pay your dues" stories
but wasn't interested in starving my family to make some other guy
rich. -So I went into industrial mechanics, HVAC, millwright, etc and
never regretted it. I maintained my own plane for 30 years.
The idea of working part time fixing airplanes in retirement sounds
pretty good, however this area (upstate NY) has gone into an airplane
decline. Not much action. Its all happening in the west and the south.
I receive the daily Kolb-list, my MkIII has 40+ hours on it and
is in my basement shop for the winter. I'm currently rebuilding
my bathroom.
Keep in touch, Bob B
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> 1. 08:05 AM - Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05 (Wes
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> From: "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net>
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05
>
>
>
> Bob, I am kinda the reverse of you. I have been an aviation nut my
> whole
> life, now at age 56 I am working on getting my A&P license. I have my
> own
> aircraft, and plan to mostly maintain it. The ticket just might make
> retirement a little easier to get started.
> Wes
> N7337G
>
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> From: "Bob" <n107bs(at)comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: AnPMech-List: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05
>
>
> Hmmm, sounds like introduction time ;-)
>
> Also 56 & will be taking A&P tests this winter. Have partially
> constructed
> a Mustang II homebuilt, a Pitts S1, and completed and currently flying
> a One
> Design aerobatic plane (www.bob.scherer.name).
>
> Also currently working part-timer at a small GA maintenance shop and
> want to
> focus on restoration and/or homebuilts as retirement work - (ie-less
> than
> full time/business owner) after obtaining ratings.
>
> Anyone that can offer a lead for someone needing help in that kind of
> business would be appreciated!
>
> Bob Scherer
> Lutherville, MD - (willing to relocate)
>
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> [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wes
> Bunker
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/05
>
>
>
> Bob, I am kinda the reverse of you. I have been an aviation nut my
> whole
> life, now at age 56 I am working on getting my A&P license. I have my
> own
> aircraft, and plan to mostly maintain it. The ticket just might make
> retirement a little easier to get started.
> Wes
> N7337G
>
>
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| From: | "c.ennis" <c.ennis(at)insightbb.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/11/05 |
Wes,Bob and Bob
I've been signed on to the A&PMech list for several months and yours are
the first e-mails I have seen... Perhaps I had something crossed up on this
end. Anyway, I'm 60 and have worked as a Millwright for over 40 years. 14
years ago, after finally getting a private ticket I bought a tail kit for an
RV-6A. I realized I was in over my head and joined a flying club in order to
help out on maintaining the club aircraft and hopefully learn something.
Long story short...I got my A and P about 5 years ago, flew the RV in Sept
of 04 and have started on a Flybaby. I still work on repairs on Wednesday
afternoons and every Saturday. We do rebuild and maintenance on Cessna's,
Piper's and a couple of Mooney's and have restored 2- 7AC Champs and a 41
J3 Cub...next project is an Ercoupe.
I probably wouldn't have joined in if I hadn't been struck by the many
similarities we seem to have in common. If any of you are ever in the
Louisville Ky area drop in at Bluelick Airport, south of SDF. By the way, I
agree, A & P work at a small FBO is a great learning experiance, and good
past time for someone who is retired...but you can't live on the money.
Charlie Ennis
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| From: | "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/11/05 |
Seems we are all pretty much on the same page. I worked for a couple decades
as an electrician ( commercial/industrial) and now work for an engineering
co as an electrical inspector and designer. My youngest brother got his AMT
cert just out of high school, and found he made a lot more money working as
custodian for the college he went to. Sad.
I have had some pretty sorry work done on my A/C by A&P/IA people, and my
wife finally said if I did not stand by their side while they worked on the
plane, she wasn't going to fly in it, so, here we are. Besides, It's fun!
Wes
N7337G
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/13/05 |
Wes/all, years ago a jack of all trades was looked down on.
Now, especially if you are retired, its the best possible background
to have. To my delight I can do just about anything from a brake job
on my car, weld, fix air conditioners, do plumbing, electric (including
controls and controller programming). That's why I'm doing
a super snazzy new bathroom in my house now. -its costing me
1/3 what anybody else would pay. Beats sitting on my fat ass
or golfing. The A&P is just the icing on the cake, we can inspect/
annual any experimental (the "condition inspection") and........
BTW, what's our position regarding LSAs now?
-BB
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> From: "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net>
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/11/05
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>
>
> Seems we are all pretty much on the same page. I worked for a couple
> decades
> as an electrician ( commercial/industrial) and now work for an
> engineering
> co as an electrical inspector and designer. My youngest brother got
> his AMT
> cert just out of high school, and found he made a lot more money
> working as
> custodian for the college he went to. Sad.
>
> I have had some pretty sorry work done on my A/C by A&P/IA people, and
> my
> wife finally said if I did not stand by their side while they worked
> on the
> plane, she wasn't going to fly in it, so, here we are. Besides, It's
> fun!
> Wes
> N7337G
>
>
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| From: | "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/13/05 |
Bob, ( and all) I am fortunate to have had a Dad that didn't see the need to
hire anyone to do anything for us either. I learned to do pretty much
everything that needed to be done, and since he was a machinist/millwright
by trade, learned to make the tools needed that I didn't have. And had a lot
of fun in the process.
Regarding the LSA machines, I have not read that new stuff closely enough to
be able to say. I live in the Sacramento CA area, and there are a lot of
experimentals around here, and I'm sure the LSA scene will explode too.
Should be really interesting.
Wes
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| From: | "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/14/05 |
>BTW, what's our position regarding LSAs now?
It depends, actually. If it's an experimental E-LSA (i.e. built by an owner)
the rules are similar to the ones for experimental aircraft. If it's a S-LSA
(built by a company and sold to an owner), maintenance is by either an A&P
or via someone who has attended a repairman's school for that model (off
hand, I haven't heard of any of these being set up yet.)
There's more there, but that's a quickie look. Take a look at
www.sportpilot.org....it's the EAA's hub for LSA information.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt(at)hotmail.com
"Fraser, there's a guy on my corner who asks me every
morning if I've seen God; do you really think he
expects me to point Him out?"
"Well, you know, Ray, if you did, perhaps he'd stop
asking."
Ray Vecchio and Benton Fraser, "Hawk and a Handsaw", Due_South
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| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/13/05 |
Hello, I am not an A&P but thought I could get some good info
on this list from others that are. I own an auto salvage so I am somewhat
mechanicly inclined but airplanes are somewhat different than the
automobiles I deal with. I am building an Aerocomp Comp6 with an IO540 KIA5
engine and this is the first airplane I've attempted to build.
Couple question's I'd like to address is: Do I need a fuel
primer for this engine ? My A&P seems to think so. Bu I don't understand why
with a fuel injected system.
Another question: The Comp6 is a high wing plane and I was
told I did not need a boost or auxiliary electric fuel pump either but I
believe that the minimal weight added versus the redundancy would be
benifitial. Any light on this appreciated.
Randy
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| Subject: | Newbie with couple questions |
(Resending: Sorry did'nt change subject line on last post)
Hello, I am not an A&P but thought I could get some good info
on this list from others that are. I own an auto salvage so I am somewhat
mechanicly inclined but airplanes are somewhat different than the
automobiles I deal with. I am building an Aerocomp Comp6 with an IO540 KIA5
engine and this is the first airplane I've attempted to build.
Couple question's I'd like to address is: Do I need a fuel
primer for this engine ? My A&P seems to think so. Bu I don't understand why
with a fuel injected system.
Another question: The Comp6 is a high wing plane and I was
told I did not need a boost or auxiliary electric fuel pump either but I
believe that the minimal weight added versus the redundancy would be
benifitial. Any light on this appreciated.
Randy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
In a message dated 12/15/2005 4:19:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
Hello, I am not an A&P but thought I could get some good info
on this list from others that are. I own an auto salvage so I am somewhat
mechanicly inclined but airplanes are somewhat different than the
automobiles I deal with. I am building an Aerocomp Comp6 with an IO540 KIA5
engine and this is the first airplane I've attempted to build.
Couple question's I'd like to address is: Do I need a fuel
primer for this engine ? My A&P seems to think so. Bu I don't understand why
with a fuel injected system.
First question: Is the plane a LOW WING or High Wing? If low wing YES BOOST
PUMP
Second: Do you have a Left - Right fuel feed system? If so YES BOOST PUMP
Third: You are using a Fuel Injected engine. YES BOOST PUMP
Whenever the fuel has to go UP hill as in a low wing plane a BOOST PUMP is
required. It is a SAFETY DEVICE. Especially if you run one tank DRY. You will
need all the help you can get to bring fuel to the engine. You don't want a
long delay and pray for gravity to work. Gravity may not be there in the
direction you want all the time. Think 'G' Forces.
Again, with a fuel injected engine one of the starting procedures it Throttle
1/4", Mixture Full OUT - Cutoff, PRIME, Boost Pump ON ... CRANK ... When
engine starts to fire ADVANCE the MIXTURE. So in this case the BOOST PUMP is
supplying the fuel as a Positive pressure and you are NOT relying on gravity.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
Yep just call me Airtomotive man Stay tuned for the rest of the
amazing adventures of Airtomotive man Yeehaah. Leaping tall maybe small
airplanes and cars and some light trucks in a leaping bound. Faster than an
"el loco" motive.
Yes it is a high wing, thought I posted that info in first email I
think you may have snipped it. I am familiar with the need for a boost pump
for a low wing airplane and understand why (nothing liquid likes to flow
uphill without some help).
I will have left/right fuel valves but the capability to have both
tanks on at the same time similar to most Cessna's.
I have never flow a fuel injected engine, only carbed. But if I'm
understaning you correctly you are stating that "ALL" fuel injected
applications require a boost pump and a fuel primer. Regardless of high or
low wing. Is that correct ?
It sounds like you are knowledgeable about these installations so
let me ask one more question. What is the fuel pressure output required
for the boost pump ? I have surfed the net looking fo this info and have
come up nil. And do you fell that with the high wing configuration that a
lower end unit like a Facet 47860 which put's out 4-5 psi & 30 gph or the
Facet 480543 which put's out 6.5-7.5 psi & 45gph would be sufficient ? Is
6.5-7.5 psi too much pressure ?
All input appreciated.
Thanks Airtomotive man
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2005 4:19:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
> Hello, I am not an A&P but thought I could get some good info
> on this list from others that are. I own an auto salvage so I am somewhat
> mechanicly inclined but airplanes are somewhat different than the
> automobiles I deal with. I am building an Aerocomp Comp6 with an IO540
> KIA5
> engine and this is the first airplane I've attempted to build.
> Couple question's I'd like to address is: Do I need a fuel
> primer for this engine ? My A&P seems to think so. Bu I don't understand
> why
> with a fuel injected system.
> First question: Is the plane a LOW WING or High Wing? If low wing YES
> BOOST
> PUMP
> Second: Do you have a Left - Right fuel feed system? If so YES BOOST PUMP
> Third: You are using a Fuel Injected engine. YES BOOST PUMP
> Whenever the fuel has to go UP hill as in a low wing plane a BOOST PUMP is
> required. It is a SAFETY DEVICE. Especially if you run one tank DRY.
> You will
> need all the help you can get to bring fuel to the engine. You don't want
> a
> long delay and pray for gravity to work. Gravity may not be there in the
> direction you want all the time. Think 'G' Forces.
> Again, with a fuel injected engine one of the starting procedures it
> Throttle
> 1/4", Mixture Full OUT - Cutoff, PRIME, Boost Pump ON ... CRANK ... When
> engine starts to fire ADVANCE the MIXTURE. So in this case the BOOST PUMP
> is
> supplying the fuel as a Positive pressure and you are NOT relying on
> gravity.
>
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
OK :-) AIR MotiveMan
Consider yourself TAGED! Taging is what happens amounst Formation Pilots.
I have inserted my coments within the body of your email. Please read on.
Barry
================================================
Yep just call me Airtomotive man Stay tuned for the rest of the
amazing adventures of Airtomotive man Yeehaah. Leaping tall maybe small
airplanes and cars and some light trucks in a leaping bound. Faster than an
"el loco" motive.
Yes it is a high wing, thought I posted that info in first email I
think you may have snipped it. I am familiar with the need for a boost pump
for a low wing airplane and understand why (nothing liquid likes to flow
uphill without some help).
I will have left/right fuel valves but the capability to have both
tanks on at the same time similar to most Cessna's.
I have never flow a fuel injected engine, only carbed. But if I'm
understaning you correctly you are stating that "ALL" fuel injected
applications require a boost pump and a fuel primer. Regardless of high or
low wing. Is that correct ?
YES, that is correct. It is a SAFETY thing.
It sounds like you are knowledgeable about these installations so
let me ask one more question. What is the fuel pressure output required
for the boost pump ? I have surfed the net looking fo this info and have
come up nil. And do you fell that with the high wing configuration that a
lower end unit like a Facet 47860 which put's out 4-5 psi & 30 gph or the
Facet 480543 which put's out 6.5-7.5 psi & 45gph would be sufficient ? Is
6.5-7.5 psi too much pressure ?
There are some FAA requirements about fuel flow and fuel pressure.
Unfortunately they escape me right now. But for fuel flow unaided, the diameter
of the
fuel lines must be large enough to supply TWICE the fuel flow required by the
engine. The BOOST PUMP requirement must also support the flow rate and be
able to equal the pressure of the mechanical engine fuel pump.
There is NO PROBLEM if you use the higher pressure BOOST PUMP.
ALSO! I would HIGHLY recommend putting fuel filters (YES, TWO one in each
tank supply line) before the fuel selector which also means it is before the
BOOST PUMP. I just replaced TWO FACET Boost pumps tat failed because of derbies
in the fuel. The debris jammed the piston. But, good design of the Boost
Pump still let the fuel flow freely.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
========================================================
All input appreciated.
Thanks Airtomotive man
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2005 4:19:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
> Hello, I am not an A&P but thought I could get some good info
> on this list from others that are. I own an auto salvage so I am somewhat
> mechanicly inclined but airplanes are somewhat different than the
> automobiles I deal with. I am building an Aerocomp Comp6 with an IO540
> KIA5
> engine and this is the first airplane I've attempted to build.
> Couple question's I'd like to address is: Do I need a fuel
> primer for this engine ? My A&P seems to think so. Bu I don't understand
> why
> with a fuel injected system.
> First question: Is the plane a LOW WING or High Wing? If low wing YES
> BOOST
> PUMP
> Second: Do you have a Left - Right fuel feed system? If so YES BOOST PUMP
> Third: You are using a Fuel Injected engine. YES BOOST PUMP
> Whenever the fuel has to go UP hill as in a low wing plane a BOOST PUMP is
> required. It is a SAFETY DEVICE. Especially if you run one tank DRY.
> You will
> need all the help you can get to bring fuel to the engine. You don't want
> a
> long delay and pray for gravity to work. Gravity may not be there in the
> direction you want all the time. Think 'G' Forces.
> Again, with a fuel injected engine one of the starting procedures it
> Throttle
> 1/4", Mixture Full OUT - Cutoff, PRIME, Boost Pump ON ... CRANK ... When
> engine starts to fire ADVANCE the MIXTURE. So in this case the BOOST PUMP
> is
> supplying the fuel as a Positive pressure and you are NOT relying on
> gravity.
>
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
> Randy: very macho airplane you will be driving.
Advise for engines with high flow rates like yours has to be VERY well
informed.
Everything has to be sized right. You don't mention whether you will be
using a factory or aftermarket FI system. I am more familiar with
little
putt putts.
Here's some good reading:
http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182501-1.html
Keep us informed, BB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Davidson" <pdavidson(at)familynet.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
Airmotive man:
Barry didn't seem to answer your question about the primer...
>I have never flow a fuel injected engine, only carbed. But if I'm
>understanding you correctly, you are stating that "ALL" fuel injected
>applications require a boost pump and a fuel primer; Regardless of high or
>low wing. Is that correct ?
In a fuel injected engine, you don't need a primer. The boost pump is used
for priming before starting.
Peter D.
________________________________________________________________________________
My system is factory, the Gami injectors look interesting. Would
be nice to have lower cht and better fuel economy. I may try them after I
have the plane in the air for a while. Right now I have enough on my hands
to figure out. I'm more used to the smaller planes too. I fly a 68 Cherokee
140 now. This Comp 6 will be a big transition for me also, being 300hp c/s
prop and a tail dragger. But I like the idea of having enough airplane to
haul a small automotive engine, rear end etc. for delivery to a customer to
give me an excuse to fly more and be able to use it legally for business
puposes. Thanks for the input.
Randy aka Airtomotive man
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: boost pump
>
>> Randy: very macho airplane you will be driving.
> Advise for engines with high flow rates like yours has to be VERY well
> informed.
> Everything has to be sized right. You don't mention whether you will be
> using a factory or aftermarket FI system. I am more familiar with
> little
> putt putts.
> Here's some good reading:
> http://www.avweb.com/news/reviews/182501-1.html
> Keep us informed, BB
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
I have been debating the best place to install fuel filters.
Before valves sounds logical to keep debris from clogging them. And to be
closer to the tanks. I will be ordering several replacement elements or
several filters depending on type of filter I decide to go with since I am
sure they will get plenty of debris in them at first. The Comp 6 is a
composite airplane with composite tanks so I'm sure there with be some
fiberglass debris in the tanks that will need to be flushed. I expect that
to be a job in itself flushing them.
From what I'm gathering I'm thinking the Facet fuel pump will do
the job since this high wing plane basicly only needs it for starting and
for safety purposes while landing or taking off just in case the manual pump
fails. Maybe Cessna is confident enough to not have boost pumps on their
high wing planes but for the minimal weight consideration and minimal cost
involved I believe I will feel better about it.
Randy aka Aeromotive man
----- Original Message -----
From: <FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
> OK :-) AIR MotiveMan
>
> Consider yourself TAGED! Taging is what happens amounst Formation Pilots.
>
> I have inserted my coments within the body of your email. Please read on.
>
> Barry
> ================================================
>
> Yep just call me Airtomotive man Stay tuned for the rest of the
> amazing adventures of Airtomotive man Yeehaah. Leaping tall maybe small
> airplanes and cars and some light trucks in a leaping bound. Faster than
> an
> "el loco" motive.
>
> Yes it is a high wing, thought I posted that info in first email I
> think you may have snipped it. I am familiar with the need for a boost
> pump
> for a low wing airplane and understand why (nothing liquid likes to flow
> uphill without some help).
> I will have left/right fuel valves but the capability to have
> both
> tanks on at the same time similar to most Cessna's.
> I have never flow a fuel injected engine, only carbed. But if I'm
> understaning you correctly you are stating that "ALL" fuel injected
> applications require a boost pump and a fuel primer. Regardless of high or
> low wing. Is that correct ?
>
> YES, that is correct. It is a SAFETY thing.
>
>
> It sounds like you are knowledgeable about these installations so
> let me ask one more question. What is the fuel pressure output required
> for the boost pump ? I have surfed the net looking fo this info and have
> come up nil. And do you fell that with the high wing configuration that a
> lower end unit like a Facet 47860 which put's out 4-5 psi & 30 gph or the
> Facet 480543 which put's out 6.5-7.5 psi & 45gph would be sufficient ? Is
> 6.5-7.5 psi too much pressure ?
>
> There are some FAA requirements about fuel flow and fuel pressure.
> Unfortunately they escape me right now. But for fuel flow unaided, the
> diameter of the
> fuel lines must be large enough to supply TWICE the fuel flow required by
> the
> engine. The BOOST PUMP requirement must also support the flow rate and be
> able to equal the pressure of the mechanical engine fuel pump.
> There is NO PROBLEM if you use the higher pressure BOOST PUMP.
> ALSO! I would HIGHLY recommend putting fuel filters (YES, TWO one in each
> tank supply line) before the fuel selector which also means it is before
> the
> BOOST PUMP. I just replaced TWO FACET Boost pumps tat failed because of
> derbies
> in the fuel. The debris jammed the piston. But, good design of the Boost
> Pump still let the fuel flow freely.
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
Thank you, I was somewhat confused.
Randy aka Aeromotive man
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Davidson" <pdavidson(at)familynet.net>
Subject: AnPMech-List: RE: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
>
> Airmotive man:
>
> Barry didn't seem to answer your question about the primer...
>
>>I have never flow a fuel injected engine, only carbed. But if I'm
>>understanding you correctly, you are stating that "ALL" fuel injected
>>applications require a boost pump and a fuel primer; Regardless of high or
>>low wing. Is that correct ?
>
> In a fuel injected engine, you don't need a primer. The boost pump is
> used
> for priming before starting.
>
> Peter D.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
In a message dated 12/16/05 1:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
> Maybe Cessna is confident enough to not have boost pumps on their
> high wing planes
==================
I don't know about ALL Cessnas, but the C-177 Cardinal has a boost pump and
it is a high-wing
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Marvin Dupree <97corvette(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
the wings would have to be very high to provide the pressure required
for fuel injection. hence the boast pump.
marvin m20e
On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:38 PM, FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/16/05 1:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
>
>> Maybe Cessna is confident enough to not have boost pumps on their
>> high wing planes
> ==================
> I don't know about ALL Cessnas, but the C-177 Cardinal has a boost
> pump and
> it is a high-wing
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel injected
engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection system. And
that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the 4-5 psi
correct ? If so with lets say 40 gallons of fuel in each tank I would think
that gravity would supply at least close to this type pressure out of a 3/8
line. Although I have not done a test to show this. I believe I will though
at a future date just to satisfy my curiosity.
I have a 94 model Chevy pickup that we recently changed the
throttle body design 350 engine over to a multi port fuel injected LT1
engine. We did change the fuel pump to the proper pump for that engine
during installation. Was told the proper pump needed to put out 50-60 psi
for the LT1. We still have not gotten the bugs out of the system yet to get
the engine to run consistently. We have changed several sensors that we're
suspect and still it was not running consistent. Finally we did a fuel
pressure check to discover the new fuel pump was weak and only producing
around 7-9 psi. Have yet to change pump since it is a bear to replace since
it is in the fuel tank. I am still driving the truck I just cannot use full
throttle or at times (not all the time) will act as though the fuel shut off
and it fall's on it's face. What I am getting at is that the pump is putting
out anywhere from at least 40-50 psi less than the required pressure but the
vehicle is still drivable and has sufficient power for normal driving. To me
this is very interesting and indicates that "perhaps" all FI engines will
operate on lower than published pressures. If this is true and the Lycoming
only needs 4-5 psi to operate nomally (which I still have'nt verified) then
the IO540 "should" run on much less than the 4-5 psi. Which would not be
much.
I will still install the boost "safety" pump on my Comp 6 just for
peace of mind and for quicker easier starting purposes.
Does anyone out there have the psi spec's on a IO540 or other FI
aviation engines ?
Thanks Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Dupree" <97corvette(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
> the wings would have to be very high to provide the pressure required
> for fuel injection. hence the boast pump.
> marvin m20e
> On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:38 PM, FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/16/05 1:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
>>
>>> Maybe Cessna is confident enough to not have boost pumps on their
>>> high wing planes
>> ==================
>> I don't know about ALL Cessnas, but the C-177 Cardinal has a boost
>> pump and
>> it is a high-wing
>>
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
Randy:
I have enclosed my responce within the body of your eaml. Please read on.
Barry
=================================
In a message dated 12/17/2005 1:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel injected
engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection system. And
that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the 4-5 psi
correct ?
-------------------------------
I must plead ignorance of the automotive fuel injected system. But my
question would be is that Supply Fuel pressure form the fuel tank or INJECTION
PRESSURE? I know diesel systems use about 1000 to 3000 PSI for their fuel injection
system.
==================================================
If so with lets say 40 gallons of fuel in each tank I would think
that gravity would supply at least close to this type pressure out of a 3/8
line. Although I have not done a test to show this. I believe I will though
at a future date just to satisfy my curiosity.
Gravity pressure is VERY nil. Here are some numbers to use:
A column of water 1 FOOT (12") of high will develope 0.432 PSI at sea level.
Take the height of the gas in the wing at the wing height and SUBTRACT the
Height of the Fuel Bowl above ground, and that will give you the potential
height.
Now multiple that by 0.432 and that is how many PSI of fuel pressure you will
develop.
Well, not really .... REMEMBER FUEL weights less than water. Water = 8
Lbs/Gal and Fuel = 6 Lbs / Gal.
If you want to you can work out a ratio.
=======================================================
I have a 94 model Chevy pickup that we recently changed the
throttle body design 350 engine over to a multi port fuel injected LT1
engine. We did change the fuel pump to the proper pump for that engine
during installation. Was told the proper pump needed to put out 50-60 psi
for the LT1. We still have not gotten the bugs out of the system yet to get
the engine to run consistently. We have changed several sensors that we're
suspect and still it was not running consistent. Finally we did a fuel
pressure check to discover the new fuel pump was weak and only producing
around 7-9 psi. Have yet to change pump since it is a bear to replace since
it is in the fuel tank. I am still driving the truck I just cannot use full
throttle or at times (not all the time) will act as though the fuel shut off
and it fall's on it's face. What I am getting at is that the pump is putting
out anywhere from at least 40-50 psi less than the required pressure but the
vehicle is still drivable and has sufficient power for normal driving. To me
this is very interesting and indicates that "perhaps" all FI engines will
operate on lower than published pressures. If this is true and the Lycoming
only needs 4-5 psi to operate nomally (which I still have'nt verified) then
the IO540 "should" run on much less than the 4-5 psi. Which would not be
much.
Randy, there is something else that you MUST consider. VOLUME OF FLOW!
What size fuel lines are in the car? I'd bet dollars to donuts that they are
NOT 3/8". I'd bet that they are 1/3 that diameter ... 1/8" Diameter. So you
would think that a 1/8" fuel line would require MORE pressure ... WRONG!
Why? Because the fuel flow requirements in a car is in direct proportion to HP.
YES, some cars have TWICE the HP of our planes BUT! They do not run at 65 -
75 and 100% of their HP as a plane does. A car cruising at say 75 MPH will use
only about 20 HP in flat road cruse.
I use to race a Buick Skylark Custom, it had a 350 CID engine. I wanted more
HP so I went to Dual 650 Holly's. I LOST POWER and sometimes stumbled. Why?
Because the Dual 650 Holly's required MORE air flow and MORE FUEL ... I had
to install a fuel pump back at the gas tank. That may be the problem you are
having with your pickup.
========================================
I will still install the boost "safety" pump on my Comp 6 just for
peace of mind and for quicker easier starting purposes.
Does anyone out there have the psi spec's on a IO540 or other FI
aviation engines ?
If you are serious about this engine I would get the Maintenance and Parts
Manual from Lycomming. I'm sure this information would be in there.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
==========================================
Thanks Randy
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Mike Lehman" <lehmans(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive |
My recollection of the fuel pump outlet pressure with Bendix RSA fuel
injection used on Lycomings is 21-24 psig.
If you go with a Facet type boost pump, pick the highest pressure model,
about 9 psig. The engine will start fine but you likely will not have
adequate pressure to keep the engine running in the event of an engine
driven mechanical pump failure. The 'correct' 21-24 psig electric pumps are
very expensive (see ACS catalogue).
Mike
From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel injected
engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection system. And
that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the 4-5 psi
correct ?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/17/05 |
I am as ignorant as any about the 540 FI, but have some familiarity
with Bosch systems on VWs. Most automotive applications use
a transfer pump (very low pressure) in the tank, to a main pump
(anywhere from 100 to 50 lbs depending on system) up to a regulator
at the engine which reduces it back down to 30-40 lbs, bypassing
the excess back to the tank continously. Newer systems use lower
pressures than older ones.
-BB
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> 1. 10:40 AM - Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive (Brinker)
> 2. 01:09 PM - Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
> (FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>
> I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel
> injected
> engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection
> system. And
> that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
> astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
> injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the
> 4-5 psi
> correct ? If so with lets say 40 gallons of fuel in each tank I would
> think
> that gravity would supply at least close to this type pressure out of
> a 3/8
> line. Although I have not done a test to show this. I believe I will
> though
> at a future date just to satisfy my curiosity.
> I have a 94 model Chevy pickup that we recently changed the
> throttle body design 350 engine over to a multi port fuel injected LT1
> engine. We did change the fuel pump to the proper pump for that engine
> during installation. Was told the proper pump needed to put out 50-60
> psi
> for the LT1. We still have not gotten the bugs out of the system yet
> to get
> the engine to run consistently. We have changed several sensors that
> we're
> suspect and still it was not running consistent. Finally we did a fuel
> pressure check to discover the new fuel pump was weak and only
> producing
> around 7-9 psi. Have yet to change pump since it is a bear to replace
> since
> it is in the fuel tank. I am still driving the truck I just cannot use
> full
> throttle or at times (not all the time) will act as though the fuel
> shut off
> and it fall's on it's face. What I am getting at is that the pump is
> putting
> out anywhere from at least 40-50 psi less than the required pressure
> but the
> vehicle is still drivable and has sufficient power for normal driving.
> To me
> this is very interesting and indicates that "perhaps" all FI engines
> will
> operate on lower than published pressures. If this is true and the
> Lycoming
> only needs 4-5 psi to operate nomally (which I still have'nt verified)
> then
> the IO540 "should" run on much less than the 4-5 psi. Which would not
> be
> much.
> I will still install the boost "safety" pump on my Comp 6
> just for
> peace of mind and for quicker easier starting purposes.
> Does anyone out there have the psi spec's on a IO540 or other
> FI
> aviation engines ?
>
> Thanks Randy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marvin Dupree" <97corvette(at)cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
>
>>
>> the wings would have to be very high to provide the pressure required
>> for fuel injection. hence the boast pump.
>> marvin m20e
>> On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:38 PM, FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/16/05 1:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
>>>
>>>> Maybe Cessna is confident enough to not have boost pumps on their
>>>> high wing planes
>>> ==================
>>> I don't know about ALL Cessnas, but the C-177 Cardinal has a boost
>>> pump and
>>> it is a high-wing
>>>
>>> Barry
>>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>
>
> Randy:
>
> I have enclosed my responce within the body of your eaml. Please read
> on.
>
> Barry
> =================================
>
> In a message dated 12/17/2005 1:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
> I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel
> injected
> engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection
> system. And
> that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
> astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
> injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the
> 4-5 psi
> correct ?
> -------------------------------
> I must plead ignorance of the automotive fuel injected system. But my
> question would be is that Supply Fuel pressure form the fuel tank or
> INJECTION
>
> PRESSURE? I know diesel systems use about 1000 to 3000 PSI for their
> fuel injection
>
> system.
> ==================================================
>
>
> If so with lets say 40 gallons of fuel in each tank I would think
> that gravity would supply at least close to this type pressure out of
> a 3/8
> line. Although I have not done a test to show this. I believe I will
> though
> at a future date just to satisfy my curiosity.
> Gravity pressure is VERY nil. Here are some numbers to use:
> A column of water 1 FOOT (12") of high will develope 0.432 PSI at sea
> level.
> Take the height of the gas in the wing at the wing height and SUBTRACT
> the
> Height of the Fuel Bowl above ground, and that will give you the
> potential
> height.
> Now multiple that by 0.432 and that is how many PSI of fuel pressure
> you will
> develop.
> Well, not really .... REMEMBER FUEL weights less than water. Water = 8
> Lbs/Gal and Fuel = 6 Lbs / Gal.
> If you want to you can work out a ratio.
> =======================================================
>
> I have a 94 model Chevy pickup that we recently changed the
> throttle body design 350 engine over to a multi port fuel injected LT1
> engine. We did change the fuel pump to the proper pump for that engine
> during installation. Was told the proper pump needed to put out 50-60
> psi
> for the LT1. We still have not gotten the bugs out of the system yet
> to get
> the engine to run consistently. We have changed several sensors that
> we're
> suspect and still it was not running consistent. Finally we did a fuel
> pressure check to discover the new fuel pump was weak and only
> producing
> around 7-9 psi. Have yet to change pump since it is a bear to replace
> since
> it is in the fuel tank. I am still driving the truck I just cannot use
> full
> throttle or at times (not all the time) will act as though the fuel
> shut off
> and it fall's on it's face. What I am getting at is that the pump is
> putting
> out anywhere from at least 40-50 psi less than the required pressure
> but the
> vehicle is still drivable and has sufficient power for normal driving.
> To me
> this is very interesting and indicates that "perhaps" all FI engines
> will
> operate on lower than published pressures. If this is true and the
> Lycoming
> only needs 4-5 psi to operate nomally (which I still have'nt verified)
> then
> the IO540 "should" run on much less than the 4-5 psi. Which would not
> be
> much.
> Randy, there is something else that you MUST consider. VOLUME OF FLOW!
> What size fuel lines are in the car? I'd bet dollars to donuts that
> they are
> NOT 3/8". I'd bet that they are 1/3 that diameter ... 1/8" Diameter.
> So you
> would think that a 1/8" fuel line would require MORE pressure ...
> WRONG!
> Why? Because the fuel flow requirements in a car is in direct
> proportion to HP.
>
> YES, some cars have TWICE the HP of our planes BUT! They do not run
> at 65 -
> 75 and 100% of their HP as a plane does. A car cruising at say 75 MPH
> will use
>
> only about 20 HP in flat road cruse.
> I use to race a Buick Skylark Custom, it had a 350 CID engine. I
> wanted more
> HP so I went to Dual 650 Holly's. I LOST POWER and sometimes
> stumbled. Why?
> Because the Dual 650 Holly's required MORE air flow and MORE FUEL ...
> I had
> to install a fuel pump back at the gas tank. That may be the problem
> you are
> having with your pickup.
> ========================================
>
>
> I will still install the boost "safety" pump on my Comp 6
> just for
> peace of mind and for quicker easier starting purposes.
> Does anyone out there have the psi spec's on a IO540 or other
> FI
> aviation engines ?
> If you are serious about this engine I would get the Maintenance and
> Parts
> Manual from Lycomming. I'm sure this information would be in there.
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
> ==========================================
>
>
> Thanks Randy
>
>
> Barry
> "Chop'd Liver"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/17/05 |
I don't think I've ever seen a 2 pump system on an a OEM automobile
application with a boost pump supplying a main pump, with acception of
diesels of course. All I am fimiliar with have the high pressure pump in the
tank. According to published info my LT1 requires 42 psi from the pump to
operate correctly. I am not fimiliar with VW bosh systems.I only mentioned
the pressure differential 50-60 psi normal pump output to the 7-9 psi output
I have now to illustrate that they will run and operate for a daily driver
on lower fuel output only as an interesting point and a possibility that
"perhaps" all FI system's including a certified aircraft engine operate be
the same way. And to possibly get an A&P onlist that may have encountered
the same with a certified FI aircraft engine that was running ok but not
producing 100% hp. Thanks for the VW info. but sorry I do not want to debate
automobile fuel pressues on a airframe and powerplant list.
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck(at)frontiernet.net>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/17/05
>
> I am as ignorant as any about the 540 FI, but have some familiarity
> with Bosch systems on VWs. Most automotive applications use
> a transfer pump (very low pressure) in the tank, to a main pump
> (anywhere from 100 to 50 lbs depending on system) up to a regulator
> at the engine which reduces it back down to 30-40 lbs, bypassing
> the excess back to the tank continously. Newer systems use lower
> pressures than older ones.
> -BB
> On 18, Dec 2005, at 2:55 AM, AnPMech-List Digest Server wrote:
>
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>>
>> 1. 10:40 AM - Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive (Brinker)
>> 2. 01:09 PM - Re: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>> (FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com)
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>>
>> <brinker@cox-internet.com>
>>
>> I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel
>> injected
>> engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection
>> system. And
>> that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
>> astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
>> injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the
>> 4-5 psi
>> correct ? If so with lets say 40 gallons of fuel in each tank I would
>> think
>> that gravity would supply at least close to this type pressure out of
>> a 3/8
>> line. Although I have not done a test to show this. I believe I will
>> though
>> at a future date just to satisfy my curiosity.
>> I have a 94 model Chevy pickup that we recently changed the
>> throttle body design 350 engine over to a multi port fuel injected LT1
>> engine. We did change the fuel pump to the proper pump for that engine
>> during installation. Was told the proper pump needed to put out 50-60
>> psi
>> for the LT1. We still have not gotten the bugs out of the system yet
>> to get
>> the engine to run consistently. We have changed several sensors that
>> we're
>> suspect and still it was not running consistent. Finally we did a fuel
>> pressure check to discover the new fuel pump was weak and only
>> producing
>> around 7-9 psi. Have yet to change pump since it is a bear to replace
>> since
>> it is in the fuel tank. I am still driving the truck I just cannot use
>> full
>> throttle or at times (not all the time) will act as though the fuel
>> shut off
>> and it fall's on it's face. What I am getting at is that the pump is
>> putting
>> out anywhere from at least 40-50 psi less than the required pressure
>> but the
>> vehicle is still drivable and has sufficient power for normal driving.
>> To me
>> this is very interesting and indicates that "perhaps" all FI engines
>> will
>> operate on lower than published pressures. If this is true and the
>> Lycoming
>> only needs 4-5 psi to operate nomally (which I still have'nt verified)
>> then
>> the IO540 "should" run on much less than the 4-5 psi. Which would not
>> be
>> much.
>> I will still install the boost "safety" pump on my Comp 6
>> just for
>> peace of mind and for quicker easier starting purposes.
>> Does anyone out there have the psi spec's on a IO540 or other
>> FI
>> aviation engines ?
>>
>> Thanks Randy
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marvin Dupree" <97corvette(at)cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>>
>>
>>>
>>> the wings would have to be very high to provide the pressure required
>>> for fuel injection. hence the boast pump.
>>> marvin m20e
>>> On Dec 16, 2005, at 8:38 PM, FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 12/16/05 1:31:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Cessna is confident enough to not have boost pumps on their
>>>>> high wing planes
>>>> ==================
>>>> I don't know about ALL Cessnas, but the C-177 Cardinal has a boost
>>>> pump and
>>>> it is a high-wing
>>>>
>>>> Barry
>>>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com
>> Subject: Re: AnPMech-List: Automotive man goes AIR Motive
>>
>>
>> Randy:
>>
>> I have enclosed my responce within the body of your eaml. Please read
>> on.
>>
>> Barry
>> =================================
>>
>> In a message dated 12/17/2005 1:41:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> brinker@cox-internet.com writes:
>> I was told that on the IO540 or any other Lycoming fuel
>> injected
>> engine that they required only 4-5 psi to operate the injection
>> system. And
>> that that was what the mechanical fuel pump was rated at. Which was
>> astonishing to me since I only have experience with automobile type
>> injection systems that normally have 40 psi plus to operate. Is the
>> 4-5 psi
>> correct ?
>> -------------------------------
>> I must plead ignorance of the automotive fuel injected system. But my
>> question would be is that Supply Fuel pressure form the fuel tank or
>> INJECTION
>>
>> PRESSURE? I know diesel systems use about 1000 to 3000 PSI for their
>> fuel injection
>>
>> system.
>> ==================================================
>>
>>
>> If so with lets say 40 gallons of fuel in each tank I would think
>> that gravity would supply at least close to this type pressure out of
>> a 3/8
>> line. Although I have not done a test to show this. I believe I will
>> though
>> at a future date just to satisfy my curiosity.
>> Gravity pressure is VERY nil. Here are some numbers to use:
>> A column of water 1 FOOT (12") of high will develope 0.432 PSI at sea
>> level.
>> Take the height of the gas in the wing at the wing height and SUBTRACT
>> the
>> Height of the Fuel Bowl above ground, and that will give you the
>> potential
>> height.
>> Now multiple that by 0.432 and that is how many PSI of fuel pressure
>> you will
>> develop.
>> Well, not really .... REMEMBER FUEL weights less than water. Water = 8
>> Lbs/Gal and Fuel = 6 Lbs / Gal.
>> If you want to you can work out a ratio.
>> =======================================================
>>
>> I have a 94 model Chevy pickup that we recently changed the
>> throttle body design 350 engine over to a multi port fuel injected LT1
>> engine. We did change the fuel pump to the proper pump for that engine
>> during installation. Was told the proper pump needed to put out 50-60
>> psi
>> for the LT1. We still have not gotten the bugs out of the system yet
>> to get
>> the engine to run consistently. We have changed several sensors that
>> we're
>> suspect and still it was not running consistent. Finally we did a fuel
>> pressure check to discover the new fuel pump was weak and only
>> producing
>> around 7-9 psi. Have yet to change pump since it is a bear to replace
>> since
>> it is in the fuel tank. I am still driving the truck I just cannot use
>> full
>> throttle or at times (not all the time) will act as though the fuel
>> shut off
>> and it fall's on it's face. What I am getting at is that the pump is
>> putting
>> out anywhere from at least 40-50 psi less than the required pressure
>> but the
>> vehicle is still drivable and has sufficient power for normal driving.
>> To me
>> this is very interesting and indicates that "perhaps" all FI engines
>> will
>> operate on lower than published pressures. If this is true and the
>> Lycoming
>> only needs 4-5 psi to operate nomally (which I still have'nt verified)
>> then
>> the IO540 "should" run on much less than the 4-5 psi. Which would not
>> be
>> much.
>> Randy, there is something else that you MUST consider. VOLUME OF FLOW!
>> What size fuel lines are in the car? I'd bet dollars to donuts that
>> they are
>> NOT 3/8". I'd bet that they are 1/3 that diameter ... 1/8" Diameter.
>> So you
>> would think that a 1/8" fuel line would require MORE pressure ...
>> WRONG!
>> Why? Because the fuel flow requirements in a car is in direct
>> proportion to HP.
>>
>> YES, some cars have TWICE the HP of our planes BUT! They do not run
>> at 65 -
>> 75 and 100% of their HP as a plane does. A car cruising at say 75 MPH
>> will use
>>
>> only about 20 HP in flat road cruse.
>> I use to race a Buick Skylark Custom, it had a 350 CID engine. I
>> wanted more
>> HP so I went to Dual 650 Holly's. I LOST POWER and sometimes
>> stumbled. Why?
>> Because the Dual 650 Holly's required MORE air flow and MORE FUEL ...
>> I had
>> to install a fuel pump back at the gas tank. That may be the problem
>> you are
>> having with your pickup.
>> ========================================
>>
>>
>> I will still install the boost "safety" pump on my Comp 6
>> just for
>> peace of mind and for quicker easier starting purposes.
>> Does anyone out there have the psi spec's on a IO540 or other
>> FI
>> aviation engines ?
>> If you are serious about this engine I would get the Maintenance and
>> Parts
>> Manual from Lycomming. I'm sure this information would be in there.
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>> ==========================================
>>
>>
>> Thanks Randy
>>
>>
>> Barry
>> "Chop'd Liver"
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | BENDIX MAG TIMING |
Hey Group:
Can someone help me out, I'm looking for TIMING instructions for a BENDIX MAG.
I have info and experience with lots of SLICK MAGS but need some help with
this BENDEX ... Crazy, but I can't recall when the last time was I did a BENDIX.
Thank you,
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: BENDIX MAG TIMING |
Try looking in an older Cessna manual, or, if you have access to one, I know
it is covered in the PA-30 manual.
Ed
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| From: | TeamGrumman(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Contractors doing maintenance on airliners |
Someone sent me an article (USAToday) saying that non-FAA certified mechanics
were working on airliners and that even the inspectors were not certified.
The article says that it is common practice for non-FAA approved maintenance
personnel to do all of the maintenance and that the inspectors signing off the
work may or may not be at the location. The inspectors have been approving
the work after the plane has flown.
Any info or comments?
When a GA aircraft has to have a 337 to move a clock from one side of the
instrument panel to the other and an airliner carrying hundreds of passengers
doesn't even need an FAA certified mechanic to work on it, somethings wrong with
this picture.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BELTEDAIR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Contractors doing maintenance on airliners |
Yes it is a shame, when mechanics are required to be licenced and responsible
for the planes that fly through maint. bases and have the fines and
liabilities on their shoulders for the planes that left some third world establishment
doing their maintenance. The FAA should be held in neglegence for allowing
this to happen, along with the airlines that jump into this game. Mahogany row
can be cut back if they really want to save, but no it goes to the front line,
less people more responsibility and unsafe planes, it seems nothing has changed
in the 34 years.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | FLYaDIVE(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Contractors doing maintenance on airliners |
In a message dated 1/2/06 3:40:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
TeamGrumman(at)aol.com writes:
> When a GA aircraft has to have a 337 to move a clock from one side of the
> instrument panel to the other and an airliner carrying hundreds of
> passengers
> doesn't even need an FAA certified mechanic to work on it, somethings
wrong
> with
> this picture.
====================================
Poor analogy ... You do not need to be a certified A&P to work on a plane.
It just has to be inspected and signed off by a certified A&P. What do you
think OWNER ASSIST ANNUALS are! And I like 337's. Better a 337 than a pencil
whipped log book! And for the record, I prefer Owner Assist Annuals. The only
requirement is the A&P has to also evaluate the owner and the quality of work
being done. Do it right the first time or do it over OR I do it and the owner
pays the big bucks.
Barry
"Chop'd Liver"
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/02/06 |
>
>
> Gents, I think the poster has a valid point, up to a point. Offshore
> maint
has been a fact of life for many years. The problem is the amount of
oversight involved. General aviation planes stateside have had all
sorts
of restoration work done by unlicensed mechanic/owners such as
recover and paint jobs, and for the most part done very nicely. Legally
supposed to be signed off of course.
The problem with the US mechanics was the job padding. Jobs from
baggage handler to poophouse cleaner getting top wages.
The UAW did the same thing. Pay should be according to skill level
or the whole thing falls apart.
-Still, we must agree that it would be desirable to have well run
maintenance
facilities right here to benefit us all instead of down in a banana
republic.
-BB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TBelvin38(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Contractors doing maintenance on airliners |
Gentlemen, read the FARs about Repair Stations, that's how they do it. I
think the
FAA should look closer at these operations.
Thanks,
Tom Belvin A&P
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| From: | "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/02/06 |
qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net
Maintenance quality has two aspects, as seen from my perspective as an
owner. First, the legal aspect. Regs require specific qualifications to
return an aircraft to service after any maintenance, even the so-called PM.
To have those qualifications, and individual has to have done little more
than pass some exams. Second, the capability aspect. This is where the
problem really appears. As in all other aspects of human life, a few are
very good at what they do, the masses are barely adequate, and another few
are pathetic to the point of dangerous. The reason that I am currently
preparing to take the A&P exams is that as an owner/operator I just cannot
put up with the "barely adequate" work performed by the "legally qualified"
mechanics I have found everywhere (with a few notable exceptions). Our
maintenance fiascos prompted my wife to declare that if I let anyone work on
our plane when I wasn't standing beside them watching, she would not fly in
it any more. I have tried the range of service facilities from one-man shops
to FAA certified Repair stations, and it makes no difference. The
capability, or lack thereof , is universal.
Wes
N7337G
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| From: | "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut(at)engalt.com> |
Hey guys, hoping someone can help me out with a question. I am an
A&P/avionics tech, but I graduated (Embry Riddle) about 15 years ago and
have been working on ship electronics since. I have a lot of experience
with experimentals, but I rarely do anything on certified planes.
I am buying a PA-16 soon and I have some vacuum instruments and some radios
to upgrade it to IFR (more to finish my rating and keep current than to fly
in the soup). Can someone give me some guidance on what I can sign off,
what I need an IA to sign off, and what, if anything, I need an avionics
repair station to sign off.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
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All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
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Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/02/06 |
| From: | "Kellym" <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Are you going the experience route and have the FSDO sign off? or are you going
to one of the A&P tech schools?
I understand where you are at, as I went the experience route 4 years ago, after
more than 25 years of doing my own work under supervision.
Good luck. It is real nice being able to sign off your own work, but carries a
lot of responsibility as well.
:)
wesbflyer(at)surewest.net wrote:
>
> The reason that I am currently
> preparing to take the A&P exams is that as an owner/operator I just cannot put
up with the "barely adequate" work performed by the "legally qualified" mechanics
I have found everywhere (with a few notable exceptions). Our maintenance
fiascos prompted my wife to declare that if I let anyone work on our plane when
I wasn't standing beside them watching, she would not fly in it any more. I
have tried the range of service facilities from one-man shops to FAA certified
Repair stations, and it makes no difference. The capability, or lack thereof
, is universal.
>
> Wes
> N7337G
--------
Kelly McMullen
AP
KCHD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2451#2451
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| From: | "Kellym" <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
Review what Part 43 Appendix A describes as a Major Repair/Alteration.
You want to look at AC43-13-2A, and the advisory circular regarding IFR GPS installation,
which gives more of an idea what they consider major vs minor in the
avionics arena. You also need to examine the type certificate of the plane involved
as to what was standard and optional equipment at the time it was produced.
Also, keep in mind the requirement that an A&P be familiar with the work to be
done, before they are authorized to perform and sign off work.
brian.kraut(at)engalt.com wrote:
>
> Hey guys, hoping someone can help me out with a question. I am an
> A&P/avionics tech, but I graduated (Embry Riddle) about 15 years ago and
> have been working on ship electronics since. I have a lot of experience
> with experimentals, but I rarely do anything on certified planes.
>
> I am buying a PA-16 soon and I have some vacuum instruments and some radios
> to upgrade it to IFR (more to finish my rating and keep current than to fly
> in the soup). Can someone give me some guidance on what I can sign off,
> what I need an IA to sign off, and what, if anything, I need an avionics
> repair station to sign off.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
--------
Kelly McMullen
AP
KCHD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=2456#2456
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| From: | "Wes Bunker" <wesbflyer(at)surewest.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/02/06 |
Yes, I have the 8610-2 forms already signed by FSDO. I am thinking of
attending a class to prep for the Oral/Practical, but am studying for the
writtens on my own. I am using The ASA books by Dale Crane as my study
material.
I understand your comments on the responsibility involved. To sign off
someone else's aircraft must take a bit of grit. Of course, as
owner/operator of my own aircraft, the FAA views me just as responsible for
the maintenance and work done on it as it does the A&P who performed the
work and signed it off. I have no allusions of making my living as an A&P,
at least not until I retire. It would be a fun way to fill in the meager
retirement budget!!
Wes
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| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/02/06 |
| From: | "brucelee" <brucelee(at)mn.rr.com> |
I went the same route that you are going. Might I suggest the baker school in Nashville?
I felt they did a really good job prepping me for the O&P. As a point
of interest, on the morning of my testing when I arrived at the FBO where the
examiner worked, I was informed that the FAA would be spot checking the test!!
They claimed they were checking the examiner- not me(yea, right). So, all day(8:00
till 3:30) I had an FAA guy(the FISDO manager no less) looking over my
shoulder! That DE threw everything he could think of at me and he only stumped
me on one question(you ever had your brain freeze for just a few seconds?).
When it was finally over, the examiner said congradulations, you passed! I said
thank you very much and then the FAA guy says the same thing and I say thanks
to him as well and he says- " you don't understand, you are the first guy I
have ever seen that passed the test when I've sat in on the exam!" I later confirmed
that with the school, he was not kidding. They about had a heart attack
when I told them what had happened and who had sat in on my test.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3462#3462
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| From: | "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Baker's School of Aeronautics |
I'd also recommend Baker's - they're who we use (for A&P and IA's both).
INot affilliated (I've never even been there), etc. etc., just gotten
reports from the half-dozen folks we've sent there over the last five years.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt(at)hotmail.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics! |
Dear Listers,
Its my pleasure to announce the addition of six new Email List / Forums to the
aviation line up at Matronics! These new lists support all the usual features
you've come to know and love from the Matronics Email List including full integration
with the All New Web BBS Forums Site!! The new Lists include:
LycomingEngines-List Textron/Lycoming Engines
RotaxEngines-List Rotax Engine for Aircraft
M14PEngines-List Vendenyev M14P Radial Engine
MurphyMoose-List Murphy Moose Aircraft
Allegro-List Allegro 2000, a Czech-built, Rotax-powered Aircraft
Falco-List Sequoia Aircraft's Falco Experimental
To sign up for any or all of the new Lists, surf over to the Matronics Email List
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of the usual message and archive viewing tools at the Matronics Email Lists
site. Surf over to the following URL for information on the BBS Forum:
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Enjoy the new Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics BBS Forums |
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email
Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email content
that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to
any of the email lists, a copy of the message is also copied to the respective
List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a message is
posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to the
respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics
Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums; now you
can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the
BBS, but you can view message content without registering for an account. To
Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS Forum
page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site Administrator
approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to
get these approved in less than 24 hours.
If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the
BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is:
http://forums.matronics.com
I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics
Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics List
content. If you like Email, great. If you like Web Forums, great. If you
like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content.
You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called Matronics List
Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL links
to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like the Archive
Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more.
There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this specific
List is shown below.
Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
===========
continental-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
===========
===========
lightning-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
===========
Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could
result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please police
yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures using
the guidelines I've outlined above.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Baker's School of Aeronautics |
| From: | "Kellym" <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
perryrt(at)hotmail.com wrote:
> I'd also recommend Baker's - they're who we use (for A&P and IA's both).
> INot affilliated (I've never even been there), etc. etc., just gotten
> reports from the half-dozen folks we've sent there over the last five years.
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> Regards,
>
> Richard T. Perry perryrt(at)hotmail.com
While I used Baker's study materials, self-study takes a lot of persistance, considering
how dry a lot of the IA material is. It did help me complete the test
prep and test a day or two faster, with more confidence than if I had gone in
cold. I went to AeroTech in Riverside CA. Nice folks.
I can't believe the post above is the last one on this list. No one has anything
to discuss? or everone left?
--------
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA
KCHD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53669#53669
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| From: | Ken <av8orken(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Baker's School of Aeronautics |
AnP's are quiet folks.
Kellym wrote:
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>> I'd also recommend Baker's - they're who we use (for A&P and IA's both).
>> INot affilliated (I've never even been there), etc. etc., just gotten
>> reports from the half-dozen folks we've sent there over the last five years.
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard T. Perry perryrt(at)hotmail.com
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considering how dry a lot of the IA material is. It did help me complete the test
prep and test a day or two faster, with more confidence than if I had gone
in cold. I went to AeroTech in Riverside CA. Nice folks.
> I can't believe the post above is the last one on this list. No one has anything
to discuss? or everone left?
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> A&P/IA
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Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to
abandon my RV 7 project and have an engine for sale. It is a Lycoming 0-320 (no
suffix - this is apparently one of the earliest) complete with mags, carb,
alternator, & starter (no flywheel/starter ring). It has a hollow crankshaft
to allow the use of a constant-speed prop. I have the logs for the engine. In
the log book, the designation TC #274 follows the model number. The serial
no. is 3876-27. It is the 150 HP version and can run on auto gas. The first
log entry was 5/14/56. The engine was removed from a Piper-20-150 on 6/1/93
for replacement by a larger engine and has been in storage ever since. At the
time of its removal it had 1995 hours SMOH and 4399 total hours. It is
located at Ellington Airport (LUG) near Lewisburg, TN.
Based on similar engines I have seen advertised, I am asking $6500 and will
provide free shipping at this price, but will consider reasonable offers.
Jim Hasper
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| Subject: | RV 7 Wing Kit For Sale |
Would the person who called me sometime around August 20 about the RV 7 wing
kit I have for sale please call me again or email me? I've misplaced your
phone number.
Jim Hasper
615-595-4334
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| From: | jblake207(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Magneto timing for the CJ |
Can someone send the mag timing procedure for the HS6A (CJ-6A) to jblake207(at)comcast.net?
Thanks in advance. Jon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | LSA/4 stroke rotax |
Howdy gents, about time a subject got started here to see if anyone
still
looks. If you look at the majority of new factory built LSAs, they
all have
one thing in common -the Rotax 912. As an A&P I have very little
experience
with them and figure that to be a like condition with most A&Ps.
Now that we can, by default, sign off the annual condition inspections
on
a raft of new craft, what is your opinion of the need to attend a Rotax
school to insure a safe inspection?
Bob Bean
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| From: | ECLarsen81(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax |
Bob,
I think attending a school or seminar on these engines is a excellent idea.
As with the Cont and Lyco engines, the Rotax have their own quirks that need
looking after, especially in the gearbox.
The Katana's used by flight schools had the 912 and the later models changed
to the Cont. There was one local a few years back and it went through a
couple of gearboxes before finding out that the students were shutting down the
engine at a lower rpm than recomended causing excessive gear chatter/backlash.
Another area they had problems with was the lack of safety wiring and
locknuts. The factory had used threadlocker to some extent that was being degraded
by engine heat causing assemblies to loosen and leak. Maybe the later versions
have corrected this.
Not only will we be seeing the 912's, but also the 914's with the turbo's as
well as the 2 strokes that are used on many of the "fat" and "2 place"
ultralights that will be registering as E-SLA.
I've been lucky to have a good Powered Parachute instructor/dealer on the
field that attended a rotax school for the 2 strokes and has his certificate.
We've spent a bit of time together while he is doing the maintenance on them,
and I can tell you that they are certainly going to create revenue for any shop
that can do the work.
My 2 cents,
Ed
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| From: | "Bob Verwey " <bonanza(at)vodamail.co.za> |
| Subject: | LSA/4 stroke rotax |
Essential IMHO
Bob Verwey
Bonanza ZU-DLW
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
robert bean
Sent: 31 October 2006 03:10 PM
Subject: AnPMech-List: LSA/4 stroke rotax
Howdy gents, about time a subject got started here to see if anyone still
looks. If you look at the majority of new factory built LSAs, they
all have
one thing in common -the Rotax 912. As an A&P I have very little
experience
with them and figure that to be a like condition with most A&Ps.
Now that we can, by default, sign off the annual condition inspections on a raft
of new craft, what is your
opinion of the need to attend a Rotax school to insure a safe inspection?
Bob Bean
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 10/31/06 |
Ed, good point about safety wiring. I'm strongly in favor.
My Suzuki G10 on a Kolb got the full treatment. It meant drilling
a lot of little holes but makes me feel better. Looks professional too.
Bob
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will generally
highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail
a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
http://forums.matronics.com
The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your
Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | WLAS [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution! |
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
Tackling my project without the List would be like
building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
these lists! -Ralph C
..valuable service. -John F
..a well administered service. -Stewart C
Great forum! -Ronald C
A great service! -Andy H
Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
work and as necessary to me as a rivet. -Albert G
The lists are a great help. -Gary S
This resource has been critical to my building success
so far. -Timothy F
Great system and support! -Richard P
Very helpful in the building my CH 701. -Ralph S
Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B
A great resource for all of us. -Larry W
Another year of great service! Once again, the
information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
flyer's success... -Robert B
Our list has great info and I love reading the
"Flame Posts! " -Stephen M
Great service! -James B
Excellent source of information. -David P
You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
community. -David H
The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the
construction of my RV-7... -Norman R
Awesome list!! -John E
Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable! -Herbert G
Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
with my fellow RV-10 builders. -David J
I love the list and have been a reader for a long
time. -James V
Continues to be a great service! -George A
Awesome List server. -Deke M
Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
[the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C
An excellent source of both information and
inspiration! -William R
Forums and format are easy to use. -Jack B
Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H
Super service. -Richard N
Still loving it. -Jared S
You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R
..a great service. -James M
Glad you are there... -David A
I get some great information on your list. -John P
Fantastic service. Couldn't have made it as far
as I have without it. -Stephen T
A great learning experience with my RV-6A. -Ron B
Great resources! -Jason H
Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D
Great resource for the experimental aircraft
community. -Chris H
This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
have any help readily available. Without the List,
I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H
You run a great list there. -James H
Really like the Kolb List. -Don W
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux
server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to
the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a
remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard
drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded
to over 6 Terra Bytes! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade
uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much
electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month this Summer,
I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. This year I added another rack to house
the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...)
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is
on it! :-)
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site for
just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your
great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email this
weekend.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Baker's School of Aeronautics |
| From: | "brucealee" <brucealee(at)comcast.net> |
I went there for my A&P- I thought it was a well run place and they did a great
job of prepping me for the oral/practical test. As a matter of fact, the FAA
did a suprise spot inspection of the designated examiner the day I took the test
and I still managed to pass! Overall a very positive expeariance.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94960#94960
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| Subject: | A&P jobs overseas |
| From: | "brucealee" <brucealee(at)comcast.net> |
Does anyone know where to look for aircraft maintinence jobs in the middleeast/Iraq?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94961#94961
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| Subject: | Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax |
| From: | "84KF" <stevebenesh(at)comcast.net> |
As an A&P, (wIA) and owner of a 912UL powered aircraft (experimental amateur-built)
I too am facing a slow learning curve with the engine. One thing I've noticed
at another "List" group is that many owners seem to want to swap original
parts for what they assume are equals when the encounter problems. Capacitors,
mufflers, fuel pumps...etc. While this is allowed and legal under the FAR's
they operate under, it will make it difficult to determine the actual "condition"
(reliability) of the engine. And like many owners of certificated aircraft,
come inspection time they may not make these owner-mods known to you (assuming
they need an A&P to do the inspection)
Since this is not allowed on ELSA and SLSA aircraft conformity should be a straight
forward issue but I have my doubts about signing off on much else at this
time.
Long story short.....where and when can one find and attend such a Rotax classcourse?
steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98800#98800
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| From: | D Wysong <hdwysong(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax (84KF) |
Here's what you're looking for, Steve.
http://www.aerotechnicalinstitute.com/
It's the course put on by the Lockwood/Kodiak folks.
D
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> Long story short.....where and when can one find and attend such a Rotax classcourse?
>
> steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Thom Riddle <thomriddle(at)adelphia.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax |
Steve,
I am a power plant mechanic (only) and am part owner of an S-LSA w/
912UL. This is the second aircraft I've owned with this engine and love
it. I've done engine work on only one other Rotax powered plane(other
than my own), a standard category Diamond Katana with 912F certificated
engine. Yes, it takes a bit of time to learn its eccentricities but
there are some good schools available for pilots and others for
mechanics. One of my partners is an IA, like you, and he and I are
going to the Lockwood Aviation 2-day class in Sebring, FL just before
SunNFun. This class is intended for pilots and exp-a/b owners who want
to do minor maintenance themselves. I was told that this is really a
pre-requisite for their 3-day mechanic's class and there is very little
overlap in the class content. We're doing the 2-day class now and
probably will do the 3-day class later in the year.
Lockwood Aviation set up what they call Aero Technical Institute for
these classes. Here is their website.
http://www.aerotechnicalinstitute.com/
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax |
| From: | "84KF" <stevebenesh(at)comcast.net> |
Thom says...
"This is the second aircraft I've owned with this engine and love
it."
This is my first and while I'm ok with the nuts and bolts and servicing of my
own 912UL, I have yet to adjust to the operating speed. To see 4.000 plus rpm
rubs me wrong, but that's my problem, not the engines. To much time behind a
Cont. 65.
Total time on it since new is only 35 flight hrs or so, but it's been excellent,
and no burps at all ...
Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99739#99739
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| From: | "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax |
Thom,
Just remember the reason for the RPM limit on Cont. and Lycs. is the
prop not the engine. I order for the small 912 to make horsepower it
must turn 4000 plus R's and use a gearbox to keep the prop speed down.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-anpmech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 84KF
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: LSA/4 stroke rotax
Thom says...
"This is the second aircraft I've owned with this engine and love
it."
This is my first and while I'm ok with the nuts and bolts and servicing
of my own 912UL, I have yet to adjust to the operating speed. To see
4.000 plus rpm rubs me wrong, but that's my problem, not the engines. To
much time behind a Cont. 65.
Total time on it since new is only 35 flight hrs or so, but it's been
excellent, and no burps at all ...
Steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99739#99739
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2/8/2007
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2/8/2007
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| Subject: | A&P projects... and planes. |
| From: | "84KF" <stevebenesh(at)comcast.net> |
My world as an A&P. Life is good.
http://84kf.blogspot.com/
steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100905#100905
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| From: | D Wysong <hdwysong(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A&P projects... and planes. |
> My world as an A&P. Life is good.
>
> http://84kf.blogspot.com/
>
> steve
Good stuff, Steve! Thanks for sharing.
D
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| Subject: | Re: A&P projects... and planes. |
| From: | jam-n <jghunter(at)nol.net> |
enjoyed the link! thanks
jam'n
usa
On 3/16/2007, "84KF" wrote:
>
>My world as an A&P. Life is good.
>
>http://84kf.blogspot.com/
>
>steve
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100905#100905
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A&P projects... and planes. |
| From: | "84KF" <stevebenesh(at)gmail.com> |
Hey thanks guys... and here is another one
http://84kf.blogspot.com/
As you can tell, I'm a G.A. mech. Lot's of 'perks' , and no two days the same.
steve
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102473#102473
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | John Markey <markeypilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/10/07 |
What is the opinion of senior mechanics on multi viscosity oils such as the AeroShell
15-50? My mechanic loaths the stuff and recommends that I not use it in
my Lycoming IO-320. Comments?
---------------------------------
Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.
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| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/10/07 |
| From: | teamgrumman(at)aol.com |
Find a mechanic that keeps up-to-date with current technology.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Markey <markeypilot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/10/07
What is the opinion of senior mechanics on multi viscosity oils such as
the AeroShell 15-50? My mechanic loaths the stuff and recommends that
I not use it in my Lycoming IO-320. Comments?
">Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.
________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "Richard Pottorff" <Richard_Pottorff(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Multi-Viscosity Oil |
Multi-Viscosity oils flow better at low temperatures, so you get better
protection at start up. They also retain there thickness better at
operating temperatures, so you don't lose as much oil through the
pistons.
I think it was Mobil's synthetic oils that caused a lot of engine
damage, to the point that a lot of engines were replaced by the oil
company. Multi-Viscosity oil has been around a lot longer than that, and
if it was going to cause problems, it would already have, and they would
no longer be available for airplanes.
My $.02 worth.
Richard Pottorff A&P
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Markey <markeypilot(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/12/07 |
Richard, thanks for this insight. My mechanic is great and well known locally,
so I never take his opinions lightly. My guess is that he did replace several
engines and never looked back at the reformulated oils. Doing some on-line reading,
the Aero shell sight has an article about the original 100% synthetics
that caused a lot of lead related sludge around the rings, leading to high cylinder
wear and failures. Per this article, the blends of mineral and synthetic
took care of this.
The reason I ask is that, due to coming cold weather, I am putting AeroShell 15-50
back into my plane. I noticed that after switching over to Aero 100W Plus
this late Spring, I saw a higher oil loss & lower oil pressures, so much so that
I had to reset my alarm limit on my GRT 4000 monitor [after confirming level,
etc.]
I will have to repost about what I see after I switch back.
Any other observations from experience out there?
John
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1. 04:39 AM - Re: Multi-Viscosity Oil (Richard Pottorff)
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From: "Richard Pottorff"
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: Multi-Viscosity Oil
Multi-Viscosity oils flow better at low temperatures, so you get better
protection at start up. They also retain there thickness better at
operating temperatures, so you don't lose as much oil through the
pistons.
I think it was Mobil's synthetic oils that caused a lot of engine
damage, to the point that a lot of engines were replaced by the oil
company. Multi-Viscosity oil has been around a lot longer than that, and
if it was going to cause problems, it would already have, and they would
no longer be available for airplanes.
My $.02 worth.
Richard Pottorff A&P
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| Subject: | Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/12/07 |
| From: | teamgrumman(at)aol.com |
I've heard of this before. Are you seeing lower initial oil pressure?
or after the oil is at 190 degrees or so? I did some testing of
motorcycle racing oils when I was going to school. The initial
viscosity is, indeed, a LOT lower in multi-grade oils. But, they
didn't degrade as fast at higher temps, I tested them to 240 degrees,
as single grade oils. For what it's worth, the Castrol Racing oil was
the most consistent of the oils I tested.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Markey <markeypilot(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: AnPMech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/12/07
Richard, thanks for this insight. My mechanic is great and well known
locally, so I never take his opinions lightly. My guess is that he did
replace several engines and never looked back at the reformulated oils.
Doing some on-line reading, the Aero shell sight has an article about
the original 100% synthetics that caused a lot of lead related sludge
around the rings, leading to high cylinder wear and failures. Per this
article, the blends of mineral and synthetic took care of this.
The reason I ask is that, due to coming cold weather, I am putting
AeroShell 15-50 back into my plane. I noticed that after switching over
to Aero 100W Plus this late Spring, I saw a higher oil loss & lower oil
pressures, so much so that I had to reset my alarm limit on my GRT 4000
monitor [after confirming level, etc.]
I will have to repost about what I see after I switch back.
Any other observations from experience out there?
John
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1. 04:39 AM - Re: Multi-Viscosity Oil (Richard Pottorff)
________________________________ Message 1
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From: "Richard Pottorff"
Subject: AnPMech-List: Re: Multi-Viscosity
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
Dear Listers,
You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam
from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example:
The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com
The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com
The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search
This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about
the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!
But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and
a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet
connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising
to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and
every time you read an email message or browse the their web site.
Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment,
I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be
possible!
During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few
days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout
these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-)
To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented
a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If
you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online
web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser!
There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies
to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the
messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however,
once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund
Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch
will take effect once the check is received.
There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When
you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts
that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through
the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including:
Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to
offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser.
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution
site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year
in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll
all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available!
Please make a List Support Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions
truely keep this operation afloat!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've
got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something
for everyone!
Please make a Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same.
The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! |
Dear Listers,
I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These
include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List
Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
to you:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.
Rans-List:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List
RV12-List
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | rdhestilow(at)yahoo.com |
| Subject: | Yahoo! Auto Response |
I'll be out of town till the 28th. Will try to check email as often as I can.
Rick
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| From: | "Michael T. Ice" <aurbo(at)ak.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Yahoo! Auto Response |
great, have a great trip.
----- Original Message -----
From: <rdhestilow(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: AnPMech-List: Yahoo! Auto Response
>
> I'll be out of town till the 28th. Will try to check email as often as I
> can. Rick
>
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the
following categories:
Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ
Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601
Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640
Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801
All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives,
Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:
Citabria:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list
Zenith601:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list
Zenith640:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list
Zenith701801:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list
To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
To check the new Lists out on the Matronics Forum go here:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "XIUYAN1" <xiuyanxiong(at)163.com> |
Very great~!
Keep up the great work~!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190228#190228
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through soley through the
Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution counts.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contribution Site URL Clarification |
Dear Listers,
In my List Fund Raiser kickoff email last night, I mistyped the URL for the *initial*
Contribution web site and couple of people reported receiving SSL certificate
errors. The actual payment entry pages where were correct, however, so
there were no certificate issues that impacted payment data. I'm sorry for the
confusion.
Please use the following URL to start your List Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a
Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly
cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its
just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and
software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for
the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill
to
keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of
the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to
control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms
of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per
day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists
and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser.
Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep
these Lists up and running?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing
List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades
enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for 19+ years worth of online archive
data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the
many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
Wiki and PhotoShare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many
places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its
one of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Members Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
November is the Annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are supported solely
through your generous Contributions during this time. Please make your Contribution
today and pick up a really nice free gift at this same time:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Listers have been including some really nice comments regarding what the Lists
mean to them along with their Contributions this year. I've included a few of
them below. Please read them over and see if some perhaps echo your feelings
as well.
Thank you for your support this year!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Best bargain in the entire industry!!
-Owen B
Every year your lists are better, sure #1 in e-mail list in the world.
-Gary G
Thank you for an awesome site!
-Ashley M
Your lists are important to me and well worth paying for.
-Calvin A
Thank you for providing such and informative and ad free environment
to learn by.
-Myron H
As always, a valuable and extremely useful resource.
Stephen T
As always, a great service.
-Reade G
Very much appreciate this site and the communications it has
enabled between builders.
-Larry M
This service is worth every penny.
-Robert S
Great site! Thanks a ton for its functionality!
-Peter B
The RV-10 list feels like my community.
-Dave S
The lists are fantastic, a great source!
-Jimmy Y
I've learned a lot from the List.
-Gabriel F
A wonderful resource.
-Gerald G
Well done.
-Richard N
Years of good service.
-William M
Valuable service.
-Keith H
The site is quite helpful.
-Jon M
Very interesting List that I read form the beginning.
-Alain L
A well managed site.
-Carl B
Great service.
-Svein Kare J
Still the most useful program on the computer.
-Fergus K
Great contribution to my project!
-Robert K
Thanks for keeping a great list.
-Dt G
The List continues to provide excellent information.
-Tony C
This is a wonderful resource that has easily saved me a bunch on
my build-time.
-Ralph C
Thank you for providing a great service. The Zenith builder's community
would be in sad shape without the Zenith-List's.
-Terrence P
I really do get pleasure out of reading the List every day.
-Bill V
Great source of information.
-Arthur V
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-Louis B
You know we all could not do without your support!!
-James S
Great resource!
-Douglas D
Thanks for the great service.
-John B
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is
currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that everyone
is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-)
Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to
support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to
have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and
I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
November 24, 2002 - November 24, 2008
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