Aviation-Archive.digest.vol-ab
January 12, 2006 - November 30, 2008
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| From: | "David Nimigon" <dnimigon(at)telusplanet.net> |
Would anyone be selling there GPS111 Pilot. Would consider if reasonably priced.
Dave
dnimigon(at)telusplanet.net
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Dave Nimigon
Alberta
601XL on hold
701 Just Starting
99% to go
tail parts bent and ready
www.borrowmyhusband.com/Nimigon_601XL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=3517#3517
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics! |
Dear Listers,
Its my pleasure to announce the addition of six new Email List / Forums to the
aviation line up at Matronics! These new lists support all the usual features
you've come to know and love from the Matronics Email List including full integration
with the All New Web BBS Forums Site!! The new Lists include:
LycomingEngines-List Textron/Lycoming Engines
RotaxEngines-List Rotax Engine for Aircraft
M14PEngines-List Vendenyev M14P Radial Engine
MurphyMoose-List Murphy Moose Aircraft
Allegro-List Allegro 2000, a Czech-built, Rotax-powered Aircraft
Falco-List Sequoia Aircraft's Falco Experimental
To sign up for any or all of the new Lists, surf over to the Matronics Email List
Subscription Form and follow the instructions:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget to check out the All New Web BBS Forum now available along with all
of the usual message and archive viewing tools at the Matronics Email Lists
site. Surf over to the following URL for information on the BBS Forum:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics BBS Forums |
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email
Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email content
that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to
any of the email lists, a copy of the message is also copied to the respective
List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a message is
posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to the
respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics
Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums; now you
can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the
BBS, but you can view message content without registering for an account. To
Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS Forum
page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site Administrator
approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to
get these approved in less than 24 hours.
If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the
BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is:
http://forums.matronics.com
I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics
Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics List
content. If you like Email, great. If you like Web Forums, great. If you
like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content.
You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called Matronics List
Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL links
to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like the Archive
Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more.
There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this specific
List is shown below.
Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
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continental-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
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lightning-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
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Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could
result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please police
yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures using
the guidelines I've outlined above.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to
abandon my RV 7 project and have an engine for sale. It is a Lycoming 0-320 (no
suffix - this is apparently one of the earliest) complete with mags, carb,
alternator, & starter (no flywheel/starter ring). It has a hollow crankshaft
to allow the use of a constant-speed prop. I have the logs for the engine. In
the log book, the designation TC #274 follows the model number. The serial
no. is 3876-27. It is the 150 HP version and can run on auto gas. The first
log entry was 5/14/56. The engine was removed from a Piper-20-150 on 6/1/93
for replacement by a larger engine and has been in storage ever since. At the
time of its removal it had 1995 hours SMOH and 4399 total hours. It is
located at Ellington Airport (LUG) near Lewisburg, TN.
Based on similar engines I have seen advertised, I am asking $6500 and will
provide free shipping at this price, but will consider reasonable offers.
Jim Hasper
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| Subject: | RV 7 Wing Kit For Sale |
Would the person who called me sometime around August 20 about the RV 7 wing
kit I have for sale please call me again or email me? I've misplaced your
phone number.
Jim Hasper
615-595-4334
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| From: | "Dennis Jones" <djones(at)northboone.net> |
Does any one have the install manual for the EZE Instruments G Spot G meter model
number GS95-A? The company no longer carries the manual for this particular
meter.
Dennis
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62296#62296
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| Subject: | Please read and help if you can.. Thank You |
| From: | "rc51mike" <rc51mike(at)yahoo.com> |
My cousin, Marcy Randolph, was on the Cessna 182, plane number N2700Q with the
pilot, William Westover, flying from Deer Valley to Sedona on 9/24 that has been
missing since that same Sunday afternoon. The Civil Air Patrol has been searching
since Tuesday 9/26. The Phoenix police are also continuing the search.
We the family are trying to touch people personally. We so greatly appreciate
the energy and time everyone has given us and are overwhelmed by the support and
caring of everyone we have come in contact with. That said we still dont have
the plane.
My request to you is outlined on the website under what you can do. Basically,
we want to rally any private pilots, any charter pilots, any forestry individuals,
medical carriers, flight school instructors and students, and anybody else
that might have a reason to be in the air and provide eyes in the sky in the
general northern Arizona region to be aware and keep their eyes and ears open.
Additionally, knowing that a great number of you enjoy the beautiful outdoors
of Arizona, either for hunting, camping, ohv riding, etc., we are asking that
you be acutely aware of this missing plane, and rally everyone that might be
on the ground in the general area. By providing areas you might have been, we
can help narrow the profile and thin the veritable haystack in which we are trying
to find the needle. Think outside the boxany information is good information.
At 9 days and counting, time is not on our side. We have recent information
that a plane was spotted briefly on radar approximately 4 miles west of Payson
at around 12:15pm 9/24. This may or may not be relevant.
The website for information exchange is http://www.N2700Q.com. Details of the LKP are contained in the introduction. Please take the flyer that is posted and distribute to your folks for briefing or feel free to forward this message to anyone you think might be able to assist us in our search. Your assistance and prayers are most appreciated.
Mike Turner
rc51mike(at)yahoo.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=65851#65851
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will generally
highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail
a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
http://forums.matronics.com
The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your
Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | "bhauskne(at)san.rr.com" <bhauskne(at)san.rr.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email,You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Stop sending these requests for money. I will not pay for this list server.
Original Message:
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From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:11:22 -0800
Subject: Aviation-List: If You Got This Email,You Haven't Made A
Contribution Yet! :-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new
feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of
years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end
List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year,
I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make
it work. A few days later, bam! A working system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support
that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to
run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the
computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers
such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I
can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent
on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my
Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics
Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .
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| From: | "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Lastly,
Youcan delete my name from the list so that I won't get these messages!
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Reply-To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
>To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Aviation-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
>Contribution Yet! :-) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:11:22 -0800
>
>
>If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
>you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
>first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
>new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
>that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
>continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
>wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>
>You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
>requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
>personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new
>feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of
>years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end
>List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year,
>I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to make
>it work. A few days later, bam! A working system!
>
>Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
>of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support
>that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to
>run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
>Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the
>computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
>
>Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers
>such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
>accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I
>can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent
>on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my
>Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
>
>If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics
>Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>Thank you!
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Please delete my name from this list until further notice.
thanks,
bob brockman
>From: "BOB BROCKMAN" <packerbeagle(at)msn.com>
>Reply-To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
>To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Aviation-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
>Contribution Yet! :-)
>Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:24:22 -0500
>
>
>Lastly,
>Youcan delete my name from the list so that I won't get these messages!
>
>
>>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>>Reply-To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Aviation-List: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A
>>Contribution Yet! :-) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:11:22 -0800
>>
>>
>>If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because
>>you haven't yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
>>first PBS-like funds drive message under the new distribution system. The
>>new system selectively sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
>>that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support the
>>continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you
>>wish PBS worked that way? :-)
>>
>>You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support
>>requests messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your
>>personal email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new
>>feature. I've wanted to implement something like this for a number of
>>years now, but it was always such a daunting task to modify the back-end
>>List processing code, that I just kept putting it off. Finally this year,
>>I just decided to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it to
>>make it work. A few days later, bam! A working system!
>>
>>Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one
>>of your individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support
>>that enables me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to
>>run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
>>Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the
>>computer gear running and the air conditioner powered up.
>>
>>Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other
>>Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and
>>running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
>>Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercialism
>>that is so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't
>>want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty sure you don't either.
>>
>>If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the
>>Matronics Email Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that
>>way!!
>>
>>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>Thank you!
>>
>>Matt Dralle
>>Matronics Email List Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | WLAS [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
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| Subject: | Selling my Partially built MJ-5 Sirocco |
| From: | "David Nimigon" <dnimigon(at)telusplanet.net> |
Mostly done but moving to another project. You can e-mail me for details and pics.
$4500 CDN
dnimigon(at)telusplanet.net
--------
Dave Nimigon
Alberta
601XL on hold
701 Just Starting
99% to go
tail parts bent and ready
www.borrowmyhusband.com/Nimigon_601XL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=74319#74319
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution! |
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
Tackling my project without the List would be like
building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
these lists! -Ralph C
..valuable service. -John F
..a well administered service. -Stewart C
Great forum! -Ronald C
A great service! -Andy H
Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
work and as necessary to me as a rivet. -Albert G
The lists are a great help. -Gary S
This resource has been critical to my building success
so far. -Timothy F
Great system and support! -Richard P
Very helpful in the building my CH 701. -Ralph S
Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B
A great resource for all of us. -Larry W
Another year of great service! Once again, the
information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
flyer's success... -Robert B
Our list has great info and I love reading the
"Flame Posts! " -Stephen M
Great service! -James B
Excellent source of information. -David P
You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
community. -David H
The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the
construction of my RV-7... -Norman R
Awesome list!! -John E
Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable! -Herbert G
Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
with my fellow RV-10 builders. -David J
I love the list and have been a reader for a long
time. -James V
Continues to be a great service! -George A
Awesome List server. -Deke M
Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
[the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C
An excellent source of both information and
inspiration! -William R
Forums and format are easy to use. -Jack B
Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H
Super service. -Richard N
Still loving it. -Jared S
You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R
..a great service. -James M
Glad you are there... -David A
I get some great information on your list. -John P
Fantastic service. Couldn't have made it as far
as I have without it. -Stephen T
A great learning experience with my RV-6A. -Ron B
Great resources! -Jason H
Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D
Great resource for the experimental aircraft
community. -Chris H
This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
have any help readily available. Without the List,
I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H
You run a great list there. -James H
Really like the Kolb List. -Don W
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
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infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
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I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
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the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
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As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
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To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
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Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...)
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is
on it! :-)
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great
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If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
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for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html
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Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
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| From: | "Larry James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
| Subject: | Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
Installing a Garmin 496 in my Super Decathlon and the 90 degree connector
for the XM Antenna has interference issues. The connector looks like a
standard Mini-USB-B 5-Pin ; so I cut the cable expecting to splice on a cut
cable from a standard Mini-USB-B cable.
The XM Antenna cable is 5-conductor. I'm learning that every Mini-USB-B
cable I buy and cut is 4-conductor. Does anyone have any good answers ??
All I'm needing is a straight connector on my XM Antenna.
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket (under construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Reiche" <reichec(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
If you are wanting it to fit in that panel dock thing, you should have
carved the plastic out that it interferes with. You may be SOL and have
to buy a new antenna/reciever.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry James
To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Aviation-List: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector
Installing a Garmin 496 in my Super Decathlon and the 90 degree
connector for the XM Antenna has interference issues. The connector
looks like a standard Mini-USB-B 5-Pin ; so I cut the cable expecting to
splice on a cut cable from a standard Mini-USB-B cable.
The XM Antenna cable is 5-conductor. I'm learning that every
Mini-USB-B cable I buy and cut is 4-conductor. Does anyone have any
good answers ?? All I'm needing is a straight connector on my XM
Antenna.
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket (under construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry James" <larry(at)ncproto.com> |
| Subject: | Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
Hi Charles,
I am not using the AirGiamo mount - it wastes far too much height and its
quality doesn't meet my standard. I have designed and built my own mounting
and the interference of this USB connector is with the Garmin SL40 that
resides right below the 496. My question and predicament remain. Does
anyone know if all 5 wires in the Garmin GXM30A antenna are used ??? So far
even Garmin has been no help.
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket (under construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Charles Reiche" <reichec(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
Pending the level of your own adventuresome spirit, you can disassemble
the puck antenna and trace down if all the wires are used if my memory
serves me right. I was trying to figure out how to take the magnet out
of one of the older style puck reciever/antennas.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry James
To: aviation-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: Aviation-List: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector
Hi Charles,
I am not using the AirGiamo mount - it wastes far too much height and
its quality doesn't meet my standard. I have designed and built my own
mounting and the interference of this USB connector is with the Garmin
SL40 that resides right below the 496. My question and predicament
remain. Does anyone know if all 5 wires in the Garmin GXM30A antenna
are used ??? So far even Garmin has been no help.
Larry E. James
Bellevue, WA
Super Decathlon
Rocket (under construction)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] zborul VFR |
Este o Decizie a directorului general al AR, dl. Constantin Voicu,
din 03.07.2007.
Numai bine,
Cosmin
Radu Cioponea wrote:
> Poate cineva sa dea o referinta precisa despre schimbarea asta? Prin ce
> act si unde se poate gasi?
>
> Mersi,
>
> R
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: adi buzan <adibuzan(at)yahoo.co.uk>
> To: rofreefly(at)yahoogroups.com; aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 July, 2007 1:58:22 PM
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] zborul VFR
>
> Aeroclubul Roaniei ne anunta:
>
> Incepand de la data prezentei se reglementeaza zborul VFR si la noi in
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> loc de juma de ora dupa , respectiv juma de ora inainte).
>
> Astept un raspuns de la dvs.
>
> Adrian BUZAN
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> id skype: adysky2005
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> +4-0722.885. 946
> BLUE SKY!
>
> utilizarea acestei adrese de e-mail fara acordul detinatorului este
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> comertul electronic, publicata n Monitorul Oficial nr. 483 din data de
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> <http://www.mcti.ro/1298.html>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
| From: | "Rhino" <bsimmons(at)rainbowdata.com> |
Assuming you are using the GXM 30A Smart Antenna, it uses a male right angle USB
2.0 5 conductor Mini-B connector. If you want such a connector without the right
angle, just about any 5 conductor Mini-B cable would give you one. Try this
search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=male+mini-b+connector
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127806#127806
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 496 - XM Antenna connector |
| From: | "Rhino" <bsimmons(at)rainbowdata.com> |
This might work:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/airgizmosAntCable.php
It's meant for the Airgizmo, but it's just a cable, and it's straight.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=127809#127809
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
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Enjoy!
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| From: | "energy_paragliding" <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Ikarus C22 de vinzare |
Detalii aici:
http://thebyteworks.com/yr5007/yr5007.html
Numai bine,
Cosmin
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Ikarus C22 de vinzare |
Unde ati vazut cifrele astea? Pe pagina e asa:
>>>
Performante observate
- viteza de croaziera economica 90 km/h, rapida 110-120 km/h
- regim de turatii la zbor orizontal cu 100 km/h 5400 rot/min 1 persoana la bord,
5800 rot/min doua persoane
- viteza de urcare la 90 km/h 4-5m/sec o persoana, 2-3 m/sec doua persoane (6400
rot./min)
>>>
Deci intre 4 si 5 m/s in simpla, la 6400 rot/min., sint cifre normale
pentru categoria asta, din auzite cineva de la Cluj se mira ca croaziera normala
e in jur de 100, la al lui/lor e ceva mai mica. Pretul e negociabil dar in limite
rezonabile, pretul si asa mi se pare super, comparind cu ce e pe afara + ca-i
inmatriculat samd.
Tocmai m-am intors dintr-un mini-raid in jurul zonei de aproape 100 km,
jucaria desi are ceva ani nu-i arata, sprintena ca in tinerete :) Masina de fun
pur - gata l-am laudat destul :)
Numai bine,
Cosmin
SILE wrote:
> Fara nici o rautate...intreb si eu...la 5500 de ture cu aproape 100 km/h
> doar 0,5 in urcare(un singur pilot)?Care e viteza ascensionala la acest
> aparat?Pretul e negociabil?
>
> */energy_paragliding /* wrote:
>
>
> Detalii aici:
>
> http://thebyteworks.com/yr5007/yr5007.html
> <http://thebyteworks.com/yr5007/yr5007.html>
>
> Numai bine,
> Cosmin
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pinpoint customers
> are looking for what you sell.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Ikarus C22 de vinzare |
M-am prins mai tirziu ... e vorba de poza cu bordul?
Pentru Rotax 582 5400 poate fi considerata turatie de croaziera, depinde
de aeronava desigur. Turatia in regim de decolare e 6800 pentru max 5
minute. Ca variometrul arata 1 m/s urcare (si nu 0,5), poate fi desigur
efectul miscarilor verticale ale maselor de aer. Ca fapt divers, am avut
ocazia sa cobor cu motorul in plin, in fata unui oraj local, si cu deplasare
orizontala cam zero. Din fericire pentru scurt timp, iar aterizarea cu pricina
a fost cu vint lateral de destul de multi m/s - aproape ca s-a chemat aterizare
perpendicular pe pista :) Wind shear poate?
Numai bine,
Cosmin
SILE wrote:
> Fara nici o rautate...intreb si eu...la 5500 de ture cu aproape 100 km/h
> doar 0,5 in urcare(un singur pilot)?Care e viteza ascensionala la acest
> aparat?Pretul e negociabil?
>
> */energy_paragliding /* wrote:
>
>
> Detalii aici:
>
> http://thebyteworks.com/yr5007/yr5007.html
> <http://thebyteworks.com/yr5007/yr5007.html>
>
> Numai bine,
> Cosmin
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pinpoint customers
> are looking for what you sell.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
Dear Listers,
You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam
from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example:
The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com
The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com
The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search
This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about
the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!
But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and
a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet
connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising
to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and
every time you read an email message or browse the their web site.
Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment,
I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be
possible!
During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few
days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout
these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-)
To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented
a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If
you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online
web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser!
There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies
to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the
messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however,
once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund
Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch
will take effect once the check is received.
There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When
you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts
that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through
the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including:
Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to
offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser.
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution
site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year
in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll
all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available!
Please make a List Support Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions
truely keep this operation afloat!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've
got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something
for everyone!
Please make a Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List
and Forums:
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Thank you!
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================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
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..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
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..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
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David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
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truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Film aviatie, One Six Right |
De exemplu de la Amazon, e drept ca-i pentru DVD
regiunea 1 (U.S. and Canada only) dar nu cred ca asta mai e o
piedica in ziua de azi :)
Numai bine,
Cosmin
Adi-RO wrote:
> corect :)
> eu l-as cumpara oficial, dar repet, din info de atunci rezulta ca e
> compatibil sua, nu si europa.
> deci, daca e varianta europa, spuneti si de unde se poate lua.
> cimpi
>
> */"Catalin C. Floroiu" /* wrote:
>
> One Six Right este intr-adevar un film absolut superb despre
> aviatia adevarata, dar am rugamintea de a acorda mai multa atentie
> notiunii de copyright la publicarea mesajelor pe lista. (P.S.
> Filmul nu costa o avere si este facut cu multa pasiune ,iar
> producatorii lui isi merita banii mai ales pentru vointa de a depasi
> dificultatile tehnice si politice intampinate.)
> Multumesc pentru intelegere.
> Catalin Floroiu, Fondator/Moderator Aviatia.ro
> */From:/*/ aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com [mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Szabolcs Vas
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 06, 2007 1:55 PM
> *To:* aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Aviatia.ro] Film aviatie/
> //
> /Salut,
> as readuce in prim plan un alt film, propus mai demult de un coleg,
> One six right.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aviatia/message/16220
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aviatia/message/16220>
> Spre deosebire de Speed and angels, acesta nu se gaseste la
> download.... sau cel putin n-am reusit eu.
> Daca are cineva informatii... rog sa le-mpartaseasca:)
>
> Numai bine! /
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
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up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
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Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
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If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
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Thank you!
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[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Pentru instructori si inspectori motodelta |
Ce sa mai vorbim de ultima inventie cu planificarea la examinari ...
poate nu mai ajunge cascavalul? Conditiile puse de noua gaselnita ARista
va frina considerabil dezvoltarea micii aviatii, mai ales in Moldova unde
nu este prevazut nici un centru si nici o data de examinare - cel putin
jumatate din cei citiva care cu greu au reusit sa faca o scoala n-ar avea
posibilitatea sa se plimbe sute de kilometrii unde vrea interesul AR.
Plus ca se stie operativitatea in eliberarea licentelor, stau bietii
proaspeti piloti cu lunile fara sa se pot bucura de rezultatul muncii lor.
Documentul e aici:
http://airclub.rdsnet.ro/download/AUU-ULM/Planificare.DOC
Numai bine,
Cosmin
Catalin C. Floroiu wrote:
> Asta imi aminteste de un amic ajuns pe meleaguri australiene, fost
> sportiv AR-ist care compara organizatiile raspunzatoare de GA (General
> Aviation) in Romania cu o alta organizatie, tot din Romania si care are
> tot initialele GA....(muzeul) Grigore Antipa :-) Sunt curios cati ani
> vor mai trece pana sa constatam negarea negatiei la cele ce se intampla
> de vreo 17 ani incoace prin aviatie. Daca este sa il credem pe Brucan,
> au mai ramas de asteptat cel mult 3 (asta in best case scenario in
> care oracolul stalinist a si avut dreptate :-) Daca nu, D-zeu cu mila...
>
>
>
> Bafta cu organizarea cursului.
>
>
>
> C.F.
>
>
>
> */From:/*/ aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com [mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *dan-co(at)xnet.ro
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:10 PM
> *To:* dancobuz; lista-rofreefly; lista-ulmro; lista-aviatia;
> lista-constr.aeronautice
> *Subject:* [Aviatia.ro] Pentru instructori si inspectori motodelta/
>
> /[...]// prin pasivitatea Aeroclubului Romaniei nu s-a organizat
> examenul de atestare (cursul pierzandu-si valabilitatea), impreuna cu
> alti colegi vom
> organiza un nou curs care se va tine la Sibiu. [...] - Dan Cobuz, Sibiu// /
>
>
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] re/instr & insp motodelta |
Nu sint impotriva concentrarii in sine dar repet, nu vad cum
ar putea scolarii din capatul de sus al tarii sa dea examenele la
Ploiesti - ma refer la cele practice. De multe ori transportul
aeronavei pe care s-a facut scoala nu se poate transporta cu
eforturi rezonabile, iar examinarea pe alt tip e complet
neconcludenta la numarul de ore in discutie, parerea mea.
Poate trebuie sa ne punem un pic in pielea lor, vorbim aici
de piloti de ULM fara interese comerciale, nu toti au aeronavele lor,
poate ca au facut eforturi imense sa faca scoala. De unde resurse pentru
deplasarea la examen?
Sudul tarii are 2 centre, Transilvania 3. Pe cind in Moldova
macar doua? Asta e problema mea de fapt :)
Numai bine,
Cosmin
dragos stoicescu wrote:
> Stimate coleg Cosmin Buhu,
> Ma refer aici numai la zborul cu aeronave ultrusoare motorizate.
> Aceasta planificare a aparut necesara ca urmare a scaderii drastice a
> nivelului de pregatire teoretica si practica a pilotilor si
> instructorilor proaspat aparuti. Acest lucru l-am constatat de 'n' ori
> personal atat la mansa cat si la sala. Este anormal sa intalnesti
> instructori / inspectori / piloti care sa nu fi auzit ca exista legi /
> reglementari / proceduri pe care trebuie sa le respecte si sa le
> aplice!!! Ii dau dreptate lui Catalin cand spunea despre noi ce spunea.
> Dureros dar adevarat! Ca atare autoritatea in domeniu - AR a hotarat ca
> examinarile sa aibe loc conform acestei planificari in prezenta
> unei comisii formate din cadre cu experienta mare in domeniu. Scopul :
> cresterea nivelului de pregatire a operatorilor aerieni. Consider
> aceasta masura absolut necesara si desi, cam tarziu, binevenita.
> Cat priveste "cascavalul" nu inteleg ce vrei sa spui. Daca ai date
> concrete ( nu vorbe in vant ) despre inspector / instructor / examinator
> care ti-a cerut "cascaval" ca sa-si faca treaba oficiala, ca functionar
> desemnat de AR, te rog sa o faci publica in scris organelor in drept pt.
> a elimina din randul nostru asemenea "oameni". Altfel jignesti, in
> frunte cu directorul AR, intreaga comunitate de instructori / inspectori
> / examinatori inclusiv pe mine, care exercit aceasta functie ca toti
> celalti - voluntar, adica fara nici o pretentie financiara, numai si
> numai in dorinta de a ridica nivelul de pregatire al operatorilor ULM,
> cel putin la nivelul celor calificati CPL-SEP, pt. ca vrand-nevrand, ca
> propietar de avion ULM, fac parte si eu din aceasta categorie de
> zburatori la care tin in mod deosebit si pe care o consider de
> viitor. Personal te informez ca la fiecare 3 ani sustin acest examen
> pt. FI numai la AACR si la fiecare 2 ani pt. CPL-SEP-L tot la AACR in
> sesiuni prestabilite cu o comisie. Pt. noi cei din categoria
> aceasta este ceva normal. Aceasta procedura se aplica intregului
> personal navigant si nenavigant din tara! Nu inteleg care este
> nemultumirea dumitale?
> Referitor la intarzieri ai fi uimit sa sti cate dosare de viitorii
> piloti sunt aduse incomplete de instructorii care ii promoveaza. Conf.
> legii numai instructorul respectiv are dreptul,obligatia si raspunderea
> de a intocmi documentatia in vederea eliberarii calificarii respective.
> Cu deosebit respect, SKC, Dragos
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
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Best regards,
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt |
Dralle?
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same.
The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Ikarus C22 acum la pret de Mos Craciun |
Va salut,
revin cu acest anunt, Ikarus C22 de vinzare la pret de Mos Craciun,
numai 6800 de euro, super ocazie.
Mai multe amanunte pe pagina dedicata, click pe linkul de mai jos:
http://www.thebyteworks.com/yr5007/yr5007.html
Numai bine,
Cosmin
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| From: | Carmen Bem <carmen(at)cimec.ro> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] =?iso-8859-15?Q?Lansare_de_carte__-_=22Zburatorii_Romniei_Mari=22? |
Miercuri, 12 decembrie 2007, la ora 17, la Sala Bizantina a Cercului Militar National,
va fi lansata lucrarea Zburatorii Romniei Mari, avndu-l ca autor pe profesorul
Valeriu Avram.
Volumul este rezultatul cercetarii unor documente arhivistice inedite si ofera
cititorilor
posibilitatea de a patrunde n fascinanta lume a pionerilor aviatiei militare romne.
Autorul prezinta faptele de bravura, eroism si vitejie a 77 dintre cei mai straluciti
aviatori militari care au contribuit, unii cu pretul vietii, n anii Primului Razboi
Mondial,
la nfaptuirea Romniei Mari.
Aceasta carte continua seria Colectia Cultul Eroilor, initiata de Oficiul National
pentru Cultul Eroilor, al carei prim volum este Misiune ndeplinita, a colonelului
(r)
Voicu Tugurel.
--
Best regards,
Carmen Bem, analist-arheolog
Institutul de Memorie Culturala - cIMeC
Piata Presei Libere nr. 1, CP 33-90, 713411 Bucuresti
Tel. 317 90 72/109, 0727 097 471
Fax 317 90 63 mailto:carmen(at)cimec.ro
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| From: | Carmen Bem <carmen(at)cimec.ro> |
| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re[2]:_[Aviatia.ro]_Lansare_de_carte__-_=22Zburatorii_Romniei_Mari=22? |
Nu stiu, imi pare rau!
Va dau link-ul site-ului celor de la Oficiul pentru Cultul
Eroilor http://www.once.ro si puteti sa-i contactati fie trimitand
un e-mail, fie sunandu-i (director Cristian Scarlat).
O zi buna!
Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 4:18:00 PM, you wrote:
lc>
lc>
lc>
lc>
lc>
lc> Intrebare: se poate comanda on-line?
lc> Carmen Bem wrote:
lc>
lc>
lc> Miercuri, 12 decembrie 2007, la ora 17, la Sala Bizantina a Cercului Militar
National,
lc> va fi lansata lucrarea ?Zburatorii Romniei Mari?, avndu-l ca
lc> autor pe profesorul Valeriu Avram.
lc> Volumul este rezultatul cercetarii unor documente arhivistice inedite si ofera
cititorilor
lc> posibilitatea de a patrunde n fascinanta lume a pionerilor aviatiei militare
romne.
lc> Autorul prezinta faptele de bravura, eroism si vitejie a 77 dintre cei mai
straluciti
lc> aviatori militari care au contribuit, unii cu pretul vietii, n anii Primului
Razboi Mondial,
lc> la nfaptuirea Romniei Mari.
lc> Aceasta carte continua seria Colectia Cultul Eroilor, initiata de Oficiul National
lc> pentru Cultul Eroilor, al carei prim volum este Misiune ndeplinita, a colonelului
(r)
lc> Voicu Tugurel.
--
Best regards,
Carmen Bem, analist-arheolog
Institutul de Memorie Culturala cIMeC
Piata Presei Libere nr. 1, CP 33-90, 713411 Bucuresti
Tel./Fax 2243742/2240783 (cIMeC), 0727097471 mailto:carmen(at)cimec.ro
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Transpondere mod S |
Buna,
Stie cineva care este stadiul implementarii la noi a regulamentelor
referitoare la introducerea obligatorie a transponderelor mod S pe tot ce
zboara? Prin alte parti se discuta aprins, se fac consultari de catre organele
abilitate, oare noi vom fi loviti direct in primavara cu interdictia de a zbura
daca nu avem transponder?
Infrastructura nationala e pregatita pentru asa ceva?
Multumesc de orice info,
Cosmin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Transpondere mod S |
Domnule daca poti veni cu ceva la obiect te rog fa-o. De citit
generalitati pe net poate lumea, nu e nevoie sa faci dumneata revista
presei pe forum. Daca tot faci pe ziaristul poate faci o investigatie
pe la autoritati si ne prezinti un articol propriu despre subiect, ar
fi mult mai util.
Numai bine,
Cosmin
mihai nazare wrote:
> *Am gasit aceste informatii pe Net.Despre infrastructura,nu prea
> cred eu ca este realizata,**deoarece costurile vor fi destul de mari si
> deasemeni implicatiile si complicatiile nu vor fi chiar atat de simplu
> de rezovat.*
> * *
> * Transponderele au pretul de pornire de la minimum 500 $*
> **
> * Zan-dec. 2007.*
>
>
> /*For more details on this topic,see **Transponder (aviation)*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_%28aviation%29>*.*/
>
> *Another type of transponder occurs in **identification friend or foe*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_friend_or_foe>* systems in
> military aviation and in **air traffic control*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_control>* **secondary
> surveillance radar*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_surveillance_radar>* (beacon
> radar) systems for **general aviation*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_aviation>* and **commercial
> aviation* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_aviation>*. **Primary
> radar* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar>* works best with large
> all-metal aircraft, but not so well on small, composite aircraft. Its
> range is also limited by terrain and rain or snow and also detects
> unwanted objects such as automobiles, hills and trees. Furthermore it
> cannot estimate the altitude of an aircraft. **Secondary radar*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_radar>* overcomes these
> limitations but it depends on a transponder in the aircraft to respond
> to interrogations from the ground station to make the plane more visible.*
> *Depending on the type of interrogation, the transponder sends back a
> **transponder code* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_code>* (or
> "squawk code") (Mode A) or altitude information (Mode C) to help air
> traffic controllers to identify the aircraft and to maintain separation.*
>
> *Mode S*
> **
> *Another mode called Mode S (Selective) is designed to help air traffic
> control in busy areas and allow automatic collision avoidance. Mode S
> transponders are compatible with Modes A & C.*
> *Mode S is mandatory in controlled airspace in many countries. Some
> countries require that all aircraft be equipped with Mode S, even in
> uncontrolled airspace. However in the field of general aviation, there
> have been objections to these moves, because of the cost, size, limited
> benefit to the users in uncontrolled airspace, and, in the case of
> balloons and gliders, the power requirements for these aircraft that do
> not have electrical systems.*
> *Mode S transponders can relay additional information, including the
> permanent identity of the aircraft. Mode S TIS, or Traffic Information
> Service, allows a radar installation to send information about nearby
> traffic back to aircraft, which then displays it on the moving map. Mode
> S TIS is only available when the aircraft is within radar range of a
> radar installation that supports it. A Mode S TIS installation combines
> a Mode S transponder that sends TIS data to a display device usually a
> GPS device or Multi Function Display (MFD). Examples of such pairings
> are a Garmin GTX330D transponder and a GNS530 GPS, and the **Garmin
> G1000* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garmin_G1000>* avionics suite.*
> *Mode S capable transponders are also a building block for next
> generation air traffic control systems, as they can be used to transmit
> location information for **ADS-B* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADS-B>*
> and potentially other air traffic control communications. Currently the
> FAA is deactivating several Mode S TIS equipped stations.*
>
>
> Operation
>
> *In flight a pilot is told to squawk a given code by air traffic control
> over the radio, such as in the phrase "Cessna 123AB, squawk 0363". The
> pilot inputs these digits and his blip on the radar becomes correctly
> associated with his identity.*
> *Because primary radar gives position information but lacks altitude
> information, mode C and mode S transponders report altitude. Around busy
> airspace there is often a regulatory requirement that all aircraft be
> equipped with an altitude-reporting mode C or mode S transponder. In the
> United States, this is known as a Mode C veil. Mode S transponders are
> compatible with transmitting the mode C signal, hence no need for a
> separate designation. Without the altitude reporting, the controller
> cannot see any altitude information, and the controller must rely on the
> altitude as reported by the pilot.This has resulted in at least one
> accident. On **31 August* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_31>*,
> 1986, a Piper Archer with a pilot and two passengers had inadvertently
> penetrated the 6,000-foot floor of controlled airspace without a
> clearance and collided with **Aeromexico Flight 498*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeromexico_Flight_498>*, a DC-9 with 58
> passengers and 6 crew at an altitude of 6,650 feet. The Archer had only
> mode A reporting capability and the controller assumed it was below the
> controlled airspace.*
>
>
> Ident
>
> *All mode A, C, and S transponders include an "ident" button, which
> activates a special "thirteenth" bit on the mode A reply known as Ident,
> short for Identify. When radar equipment receives the Ident bit, it
> results in the aircraft's blip "blossoming" on the radar scope. This is
> often used by the controller to locate the aircraft amongst others by
> requesting the ident function from the pilot (i.e. "Cessna 123AB, squawk
> 0363 and ident").*
> *Ident can also be used in case of a reported or suspected radio failure
> to determine if the failure is only one way and whether the pilot can
> still transmit /or/ receive but not both (i.e. "Cessna 123AB, if you can
> hear me, please ident").*
>
>
> Transponder codes
>
> *Transponder codes are four digit numbers transmitted by the transponder
> in an aircraft in response to a secondary surveillance radar
> interrogation signal to assist air traffic controllers in traffic
> separation. A discrete transponder code (often called a squawk code) is
> assigned by air traffic controllers to uniquely identify an aircraft.
> This allows easy identity of the aircraft on radar.*
> *Squawk codes are four-digit **octal*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octal>* numbers; the dials on a
> transponder read from zero to seven inclusive. Thus the lowest possible
> squawk is 0000 and the highest is 7777. Because these squawks are
> sensitive, care must be taken not to squawk any emergency code during a
> code change. For example, when changing from 1200 to 6501 (an assigned
> ATC squawk), one might turn the second wheel to a 5 (thus /1500/), and
> then rotate the first wheel backwards in the sequence 1-0-7-6 to get to
> 6. This would momentarily have the transponder squawking a hijack code
> (/7500/), which might lead to more attention than one desires. Pilots
> are instructed not to place the transponder in "standby mode" while
> changing the codes as it causes the loss of target information on the
> ATC radar screen, but instead to carefully change codes to avoid
> inadvertently selecting an emergency code. Additionally, modern digital
> transponders are operated by buttons to avoid this problem.*
> *There are other codes known as 'conspicuity codes' which are not
> necessarily unique to a particular aircraft, but may have their own
> meaning and are used to convey information about the aircraft to **ATC*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_control>*, possibly when the
> aircraft is not in radio contact.*
> *The use of the word "squawk" comes from the system's origin in*
>
>
> Routine codes
>
> *the **World War II* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II>*
> **Identification Friend or Foe*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_Friend_or_Foe>* system,
> which was code-named "Parrot".0000: military escort (in the US)^[ ; mode
> C or other SSR failure (in the UK). **0001: Military code for highspeed
> uncontrolled (non-**ATC*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_traffic_control>* directed) flight
> (US) **0033: Parachute dropping in progress (UK) **1000: **Instrument
> Flight Rules* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_Flight_Rules>*
> (IFR) flight below 18,000' when no other code has been assigned
> (Canada)**1200: **Visual flight rules*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_flight_rules>* (VFR) flight, this
> is the standard squawk code used in North American airspace when no
> other has been assigned.**1400: VFR flight above 12,500' when no other
> code has been assigned (Canada) .**2000: The code to be squawked when
> entering a **secondary surveillance radar*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_surveillance_radar>* (SSR) area
> from a non-SSR area (used as Uncontrolled IFR flight squawk code in some
> European countries, and in Canada for uncontrolled IFR at or above
> 18,000') **4000: Aircraft on a VFR Military Training Route or requiring
> frequent or rapid changes in altitude (US) **7000: VFR standard squawk
> code for most European airspace when no other code has been assigned.
> (However, in at least the UK, this code does not imply VFR; 7000 is used
> as a general conspicuity squawk.) **7001: Sudden military climbout from
> low-level operations (UK) **7004: **Aerobatic*
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobatics>* and display code in some
> countries. **7777: military interception (US) /("Under no circumstances
> should a pilot of a civil aircraft operate the transponder on Code 7777.
> This code is reserved for military interceptor operations.")/ *
>
> *In Germany the following codes have been used:*
> **
> * 0021: VFR squawk code for German airspace (5000 feet and below) *
> * 0022: VFR squawk code for German airspace (above 5000 feet)*
> * *
> *As from 15 March 2007 these have been replaced by the international
> 7000 code for VFR traffic*.
>
>
> Emergency codes
>
> * 7700: General Emergency *
> * 7600: **Lost Communications* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORDO>* *
> * 7500: Unlawful Interference (Hijack) *
> **
>
>
> Codes assigned by ATC
>
> *Most codes above can be selected by aircraft if and when the situation
> requires or allows it, without permission from ATC. Other codes are
> generally assigned by ATC units. For IFR flights, the squawk code is
> typically assigned as part of the departure clearance and stays the same
> throughout the flight. VFR flights, when in uncontrolled airspace, will
> "squawk VFR" (1200 in the US, 7000 in Europe). Upon contact with an ATC
> unit, they will be told to squawk a certain unique code. When changing
> frequency, for instance because the VFR flight leaves controlled
> airspace or changes to another ATC unit, the VFR flight will be told to
> "squawk VFR" again.*
> *In order to avoid confusion over assigned squawk codes, ATC units will
> typically be allocated blocks of squawk codes, not overlapping with the
> blocks of nearby ATC units, to assign at their discretion.*
> *Not all ATC units will use radar to identify aircraft, but they assign
> squawk codes nevertheless. As an example, London Information - the
> Flight Information Service station that covers the lower half of the UK
> - does not have access to radar images, but does assign squawk code 0027
> to all aircraft that receive a FIS from them. This tells other, radar
> equipped ATC units that that specific aircraft is listening on the
> London Information radio frequency, in case they need to get hold of
> that aircraft. *
> ^
>
>
> */Cosmin Buhu /* wrote:
>
>
> Buna,
>
> Stie cineva care este stadiul implementarii la noi a regulamentelor
> referitoare la introducerea obligatorie a transponderelor mod S pe
> tot ce
> zboara? Prin alte parti se discuta aprins, se fac consultari de
> catre organele
> abilitate, oare noi vom fi loviti direct in primavara cu interdictia
> de a zbura
> daca nu avem transponder?
> Infrastructura nationala e pregatita pentru asa ceva?
>
> Multumesc de orice info,
> Cosmin
>
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] intrebari motodelta achizitie-zbor-acte-prestari |
servicii
Buna,
Aeronavele ultrausoare motorizate sunt sub obladuirea
Aeroclubului Roman, pachetul legislativ se poate descarca de pe
site-ul lor:
http://airclub.rdsnet.ro/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=136
Licentierea pilotilor este cuprinsa in RACR-LPAN ULM, iar
certificarea aeronavelor in RACR-CCO ULM. Pe scurt scoala de motodelta
se poate face in destule locuri in tara, e nevoie de 16 ani impliniti,
certificat medical, pregatire teoretica si 25 de ore de zbor. Pentru
certificarea si operarea aeronavelor e destul de complicat, pot fi
omologate sau nu, dar cerintele nu sint extraordinare - CCO trebuie
citit. Si mai bune ar fi citeva discutii cu oameni deja in domeniu,
cel mai probabil cei care fac scoala pot sfatui si in acest domeniu.
Nu e necesara inscrierea in nici o organizatie, desi aceasta
ar putea (sau ar trebui) sa fie benefica. Din pacate cam toate sunt
la inceput, fara suport sau activitate deosebita.
Se poate opera de pe aeroporturi, aerodroamele aerocluburilor
teritoriale sau piste private "de ferma". Pentru aceasta din urma nu
exista nici o reglementare, inafara celor care tin de spatiu aerian etc.
Cit depre uz comercial, e un mare nu, cu exceptia unor domenii
ca scolarizarea, si numai instructorii au acces la asa ceva.
Ca final, ia legatura cu o scoala din zona sau si mai bine
cu mai multe, discuta cu oamenii - sunt destule de aflat si litera
seaca nu poate dezvalui simplu situatia. Si oricit de dificil ar parea,
insista caci merita!
Numai bine,
Cosmin
danzefirelli wrote:
> Salut! sunt din Bucuresti si as vrea sa achizitionez teoretic la
> sfarsitul acestui an un motodelta de 2 locuri. ma intereseaza daca ma
> puteti ajuta cu informatii detaliate legat de:
>
> 1. ce acte trebuie sa aibe un motodelta ca sa poata zbura si ce
> aparatura minim/standard, ce omologari, etc?
> 2. ce acte sunt necesare ca sa pot pilota acest aparat, de unde se
> obtin si cat dureaza?
> 3. este obligatoriu sa fiu membru al unei asociatii? care ar fi
> acestea si care sunt beneficiile?
> 4. ce acte imi sunt necesare pentru a presta servicii cu motodelta, si
> care sunt restrictiile daca exista, protocoale etc.
> 5. daca se fac adaugiri de elemente la exteriorul motodelta trebuiesc
> aprobari, ce anume si unde?
> 6. este legal sa detin o pista-aerodrom proprietate personala? ce
> conditii trebuiesc indeplinite?
>
> multumesc si sper ca raspunsurile sa fie cat mai concrete ca sa ma pot
> apuca de treaba.
>
>
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| From: | Cosmin Buhu <lists(at)byteworks.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: intrebari motodelta achizitie-zbor-acte-prestari |
servicii
Pentru ca scopul acestei clase de aeronave este pur recreational,
la fel si tipul de licenta de pilot, de aceea si reglementarile (putin)
mai lejere. Pentru a putea presta servicii comerciale trebuie sa sari
in principiu cu o clasa mai sus la aeronave si cu doua la licente, adica
peste PPL la CPL.
Pe de alta parte nu te impiedica nimeni sa fotografiezi culturile
prietenilor etc., dar nu e o abordare serioasa dpdv al unei afaceri.
Tine cont ca sunt citeva firme care se ocupa cu asa ceva, pe bani grei cu
costuri mari, care nu te vor lasa sa faci aceeasi treaba cu 3 lei.
In alte parti situatia e mai relaxata, in altele mai strinsa,
sa speram ca nu vom balansa spre partea mai complicata. Din cite am citit
cel putin prin Europa, la noi e cel mai complicat, aprobari de trafic, plan
de zbor obligatoriu chiar si pentru tur de pista (gaselnita artificiala
si stupida IMHO), zone restrictionate de militari care aproape ca acopera
teritoriul national, samd. Asta ca divagatie la subiect.
Raspuns final, ai voie sa faci poze aeriene daca esti instructor,
asta cere peste 300 de ore de zbor, scoala si examen. Daca o poti faci
pentru bani sau nu, e destul de confuz.
RACR-LPAN ULM spune la ULM.2170 literele a), b) si h):
>>>
(a)Autoritatea de certificare poate acorda, n cadrul fiecrei calificri de
clas (avioane ultrauoare, motodeltaplane, motoparapante/motoparaute, elicoptere
ultrauoare, autogire ultrauoare, dirijabile ultrauoare), alte autorizaii
specifice aferente licenei de pilot de aeronave ultrauoare motorizate, pe
lng cele de pilot i instructor, cum ar fi: zbor cu flotoare, zbor cu schiuri,
lansri de parautiti, remorcaj (de banderol i planoare ultrauoare i
largarea acestora), pulverizare de substane, zbor cu o alt persoan la bord,
alta dect un pilot calificat pe clasa respectiv de aeronave sau un elev
pilot (permis cu aeronavele prevzute cu dou locuri).
(b)Autorizaiile precizate mai sus, cu excepia zborului cu flotoare, zborului
cu schiuri i al zborului cu alte persoane, care se pot acorda i deintorilor
de licene de pilot de aeronave ultrauoare motorizate, se acord numai piloilor
de aeronave ultrauoare motorizate deintori ai calificrii de instructor.
(h)Activitile de zbor efectuate pe baze comerciale pot fi efectuate numai
de ctre piloii de aeronave ultrauoare motorizate deintori ai calificrii
de instructor.
>>>
Cum se raporteaza acestea la Codul Aerian, regimul de operatori aerieni
etc, ce forme juridice si comerciale se pot folosi (PF, AF, SRL etc.) imi este
neclar, poate ne lamureste altcineva.
A si pentru poze aeriene s-ar putea sa ai supriza necesitatii unor autorizatii
suplimentare de la diverse autoritati.
Numai bine,
Cosmin
danzefirelli wrote:
> Multumesc pentru raspunsuri, desi nu au fost prea concrete din punctul
> meu de vedere. Ce nu inteleg este de ce nu pot presta servicii cu
> motodelta. Ma intereseaza pentru fotografierea culturilor agricole.
> daca exista un nu legal in aceasta privinta probabil ca zilele acestui
> nu sunt numarate.
>
> toate bune si astept raspuns!
>
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| From: | "Sorin" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] LROP atc live ? |
Buna ziu atuturor!
Stiti cumva de ce nu se mai poate receptiona live trafficul de pe LROP
pe liveatc.net ? Sunt, eram unul de ascultatorii feed-ului si mi-ar
placea sa fiu si in continuare :). Multumesc.
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| From: | "Sorin" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Din categoria "sa ne mai descretim fruntile": |
Avantajele piloti
In aprilie 2005, am zburat cu CarpatAir pe ruta EDDL-LRCK, cu escala
la Timisoara. De la Timisoara la Constanta am avut placerea sa stau de
vorba cu domnisoara care era flight attendant pe zborul respectiv. O
tipa super-simpatica, sociabila si scolita. Toata "stima si mandria"
pentru "stewardesa". Fiind doar doi pasageri in aeronava, va dati
seama ca am "bombardat-o" cu tot soiul de intrebari legate de profesia
ei iar fata a avut rabdare si, cu zambetul pe buze, ne-a raspuns la
toate intrebarile.Nu stiu cum va vedeti voi colegele de munca dar eu,
ca pasager, indraznesc sa fac ocomparatie intre "stewardesele" romance
si cele din US. Pai, ale noastre sunt bestiale( din toate punctele de
vedere ) pe langa femeile de aici (United, de pilda )
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Elena Nicolae wrote:
>
> Eu nu am folclorizat nimic,acel film este de
> prost-gust si denigreaza profesia.
> Acest forum trebuie sa excluda erorile!
> Eu m-am referit la acest cuvant ,,delicat'',in sensul
> bun.
> Cei care practica profesia respectiva,isi pun in
> pericol viata, si pot lasa oricand in urma lor,
> oameni, care mai presus de toate,i-au incurajat in
> pregatirea lor profesionala.
> Stiu sa tin o arma in mana,stiu cat de grea este
> aceasta profesie, si tocmai de aceea m-a miscat acel
> ,,filmuletz''care, pana la urma urmei, denigreaza TOT.
> VA MULTUMESC!
> Sunt in plina sesiune de examene la MASTER, si nu-mi
> permit a denigra valorile umane.
> Cu aceeasi consideratie,
> Elena Nicolae
> --- "Catalin P." <rcp75@...> wrote:
>
> > Nu este deloc delicata in sensul pe care-l insinuati
> > dvs. sau cel prezentat in film. Este o meserie ca
> > oricare alta, care cere un grad sporit de
> > profesionalism. In situatii de urgenta, FA fac
> > diferenta dintre viata si moarte, fiind "soldatii"
> > din linia intii, care au grija de pasageri, chiar
> > inaintea echipajului din cockpit. Iar acest lucru
> > s-a vazut cel mai bine la Otopeni, unde reactia FA a
> > fost decisiva pentru evacuarea cu succes a
> > pasagerilor. Sa mai lasam folclorul si sa mai
> > urmarim si realitatea de zi cu zi.
> >
> > C.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Elena Nicolae <nicolaeielena@...>
> > To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:09:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Din categoria "sa ne mai
> > descretim fruntile": Avantajele pilotilor de
> > linie... ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Intr-adevar, nu am vrut sa discriminez
> > profesia
> >
> > de"flight attendatnt", este destul de delicata,in
> >
> > special pentru surorile,mamele, sotiile celor multi.
> >
> > Tine de caracterul fiecarei persoane in parte ce
> > face
> >
> > cu imaginea ei,in viata privata si societate.
> >
> > Eu va multumesc ca existati si depuneti eforturi
> >
> > industriale pentru a ne informa in domeniul
> > contactat
> >
> > de noi.
> >
> > Mult succes!
> >
> > Cu respect,
> >
> > Elena Nicolae
> >
> > --- lancer_two_one
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Elena,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Un raspuns demn; si sper ca nu sint singurul aici
> >
> > > care este de parerea
> >
> > > asta. As vrea totusi sa fac o observatie si anume
> > ca
> >
> > > ceea ce se intimpla
> >
> > > acolo (daca s-a intimplat intr-adevar si nu este o
> >
> > > chestie regizata)
> >
> > > este o exceptie si nu o regula.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Denumirea de "steward-esa" asa cum ii spui si
> > chiar
> >
> > > si multi din aviatie
> >
> > > folosesc acest termen, nu se prea accepta. Pe plan
> >
> > > international, si ar
> >
> > > trebui si in Ro sa fie la fel, nu?, termenul
> > corect
> >
> > > este de "flight
> >
> > > attendatnt". Activitatea FA la bord este foarte
> >
> > > importanta, si devine
> >
> > > chiar hotaritore in situatii limita cum ar fi
> >
> > > evecuarea de urgenta a
> >
> > > aeronavei. Rolul FA nu este de dansatore la bara
> >
> > > chiar daca un asemenea
> >
> > > clip si un gen de folclor promoveaza ideaa asta.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Eu unul sint convins ca si FA au bun-simt si pot
> > fi
> >
> > > bune familiste si ca
> >
> > > discriminarea pe baza profesiei nu e prea departe
> > de
> >
> > > discriminarea pe
> >
> > > baza sexului.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sint convins de asemenea ca n-ai vrut sa fii atit
> > de
> >
> > > aspra cu aceasta
> >
> > > categorie de personal navigant care pot fi
> > surorile,
> >
> > > fetele, sau chair
> >
> > > mamele noastre.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Inca o data cu exceptia unei fraze din mesajul tau
> >
> > > (si cred ca iti este
> >
> > > evident care) pe care sper ca n-ai intentionat s-o
> >
> > > scrii asa cum de fapt
> >
> > > ea suna, sint 100% alaturi de tine.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sorin
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Moderator
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Aviatia.ro
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- In aviatia@yahoogroups .com, Elena Nicolae
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > Cu tot respectul,pregatire a mea nu ma ajuta sa
> >
> > > > inteleg cuvantul,,princinoa so''.
> >
> > > > Am accesat acest site sa aflu informatiile care
> > ma
> >
> > > > intereseaza.
> >
> > > > In mare parte le-am gasit postate,motiv pentru
> >
> > > care
> >
> > > > multumesc tuturor acelora din domeniu.
> >
> > > > Nu sunt stewardesa,am prea mult bun-simt si
> >
> > > consider
> >
> === message truncated ==
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Beijing |
Am citit intr-un ziar ca delegatia Romaniei, care va participa la
Jocurile Olimpice de la Beijing, ar dori sa mearga acolo cu Tarom. Ar
fi posibil, tehnic ?
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Beijing |
Pai, na, ma gandeam si eu c-ar fi frumos sa apara ai nostri in China
adusi de Tarom si nu de altii. Chestie de mandrie nationala.:)
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| From: | "Nicu Bita" <office(at)jetaero.ro> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: [Aviatia.ro] Re: filmulet.... |
Varianta militara (USSR) a unui FDR (Flight Data Recorder).
Cu stima,
N.
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From: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com [mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Radu Cioponea
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: filmulet....
Si pt cei care traiesc aviatia militara si '21 doar prin povestirile
voastre... ce inseamna SARPP?
Multumesc anticipat,
R
----- Original Message ----
From: Nicu Bita <office(at)jetaero.ro>
Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2008 6:28:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Aviatia.ro] Re: filmulet....
Salut Sorin,
Da, Borcea a fost tot timpul o unitate de referinta in ceea ce priveste
zborul si mai ales, reprezentativa prin cei care au stiut atat de bine sa
strecoare printre randuri acel "ceva" ce nu-l regasesti decat in MiG-ul
21.Prin '88 i-am cunoscut acolo pe cei despre care doar citisem si nu-mi
venea sa cred ca simplitatea poate fi atat de aproape de perfectiune.
Mai tarziu, am zburat la Timisoara cu instructori carora le sunt
recunoscator pentru ceea ce m-au invatat si pe care pot sa-i asez fara nicio
ezitare langa nume ale altor piloti ce au aparut in carti.si fiecare
regiment a avut si are asemenea piloti. Ma bucur ca si din promotia mea au
ramas nume ce se asociaza cu MiG-ul 21:Gica, Sof, Bebe, Nae, etc.interesant,
toti formati la Borcea !! (Sa nu se supere ceilalti, multi.)
Despre SARPP, varianta "C" (cercetare) nu avea, era dotata in schimb cu un
"baro-spirograf", care bineinteles, nu-si mai facea deloc treaba la
parametri.
M-am referit la evolutiile nefilmate, ramase pe retina fiecaruia, pentru o
analiza personala, a ce si cat poate face (sau putea) Mig-ul 21.
Toate cele bune,
Nicu
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From: aviatia@yahoogroups .com [mailto: aviatia@yahoogroups .com ] On Behalf
Of lancer_two_one
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Re: filmulet....
Salut N,
In primul rind scuze dar te contrazic. Inca de prin '92 la Borcea s-a filmat
grupa mare. Pe timpul zborului un MM avea misiunea de a filma orice
aterizare, decolare, evolutie la verticala. Asta se intimpla desigur inainte
de Lancer, cind nu exista HUD camera. Toate acele inregistrari nu erau numai
pentru delectarea ochiului, erau subiecte bune de analiza zborului. Era
pentru prima data in Ro cind un pilot putea sa-si revada evolutia. Pentru o
buna pregatire asta este un mare ajutor chiar daca unghiul de vedere era
reprezentat de o perspectiva exterioara.
Desigur nu se poate uita senzatia data de zborul la joasa inaltime la o
viteza cam de patru ori mai mare decit cea a Pumei din clip. Sau chestie de
preferinta, nu atit viteza cit acceleratia data de cuplarea fortajului.
In al doilea rind, nu inteleg ce vrei sa spui de 21 fara SARPP. Vrei sa
spui ca au fost variante fara SARPP? Am crezut ca toate au avut. Cel putin
de la RFMM (sau SPS daca preferi) in sus asta a fost cazul. Mai inainte de
RFMM in Ro au fost numai F13 si RFM si pe astea nu la cunosc neaparat. La
astea te referi?
In general exista parerea ca F13 a fost cel mai bun 21 pentru acrobatie. Eu
nu l-am vazut nici macar zburind o data. Dar nu pot sa cred ca cineva atunci
chiar cu o posibila mai acrobatica varianta, zbura cum mai tirziu a zburat
Dorel Luca si cum zboara cei pe care i-a ridicat, si care tin acum steagul
sus pentru aviatie.
Si mie imi pare rau ca nu exista inregistrari mai vechi -"vintage" - sa
vedem ce au facut Marcu, Bila, Leu, s.a. ca ei, de care am auzit fie prin
scoala fie mai apoi pe aerodraom. Pe unul din generatia aceea, l-am mai
prins la Borcea un an, un an si ceva pina a iesit la pensie, e vorba de nea
Costica Simeon (cel despre care si Doru povesteste cum a aterizat 21 cu o
jamba principala escamotata - caz special de catapultare) . Dar in perioada
aceea nu se zbura prea mult, nici nu mai stiu daca nea Costica chiar mai
zbura, iar acrobatie oricum numai Doru si Dorel performau (cel putin la
verticala).
Asa ca filmari cu 21 sint destule. Multe cu Lancer sint curent disponibile
pe youtube s.a. site-uri asemenea. Probabil cea mai noua aditie in domeniul
asta este
http://www.pilotmig .com/
Toate cele bune,
Sorin
PS M-am lungit cu vorba si am vrut sa ma opresc totusi unde m-am oprit. Dar
cred ca n-ar fi drept sa nu recunosc ca n-am vrut sa diminuez cu nimic
meritele baietilor de la "ventilatoare militare" :)
<http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/01.gif> (am intilinit
expresia asta prin Franta). Ei zboara acolo in ceea ce este cunoscut in
coordonate viteza/inaltime ca "zona mortii".
--- In aviatia@yahoogroups .com , "Nicu Bita" wrote:
>
> Hmmm, pacat ca cei ce-au zburat '21 fara SARPP 12G (sau chiar si cu) nu
> si-au putut filma mare parte din evolutii.
>
> Filmuletul asta, in comparatie, ar putea fi o gluma nevinovata ! Inaltimea
> pare OK, doar ca peisajul defileaza cu totul altfel la 800-900 pe ora iar
> spectatorii involuntari. .ce amintiri !!
>
> N.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: aviatia@yahoogroups .com [mailto: aviatia@ yahoogroups. com ] On
Behalf Of
> lancer_two_one
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:26 AM
> To: aviatia@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Re: filmulet....
>
>
>
> Nu te inseli. E chiar o Puma a Armee de Terre. Montajul se bazeaza pe
> filmari facute in Ciad, un decor care s-ar putea sa devina familiar si
> trupelor Ro.
>
> Citeva comentarii. Franta este probabil singura aviatie mare in care mai
> poti vedea un asemenea nose art (vizibil in primele 5 secunde ale
> clip-ului).
>
> Ceea ce se vede in clip in cea mai mare parte s-ar numi zbor tactic la
joasa
> inaltime pentru a evita descoperirea, rassemote, NOE (nap of the Earth)...
>
> Prin 92-93, am vizitat impreuna cu piloti ai unei mari aviatii regimentul
> (asa se numea pe atunci) de elicoptere de la Sibiu . Parte a protocolului,
> asa cum e obiceiul in Ro, masa copioasa, pe care gazdele au pregatit-o la
> Crint (sus in munte, pentru cei ce nu stiu unde este). Ca o mica
paranteza,
> unul din oaspeti a remarcat pictura (in stil naiv as zice) de pe holul
catre
> Sala de Pregatire. Parte a acelei fresce era o Dacie cu numar de AG... :)
> <http://us.i1. yimg.com/ us.yimg.com/ i/mesg/tsmileys2 /01.gif>
>
> Oricum, am decolat catre Crint intr-o Puma. Pilotul un cpt.cdor. a tinut
> neaparat sa faca o demonstratie de zbor la joasa inaltime incepind de pe
> platforma regimentului si pina pe micul platou de linga cabana Crint.
>
> Pe timpul zborului, n-am vazut niciodata de sus virful brazilor de pe cei
> doi versanti intre care zburam. Pe masura ce ne apropiam de micul platou
pe
> care se afla cabana, deschiderea intre versanti devenea si mai ingusta. As
> putea spune ca ceea ce se vede in clip este antrenant - sa zbori jos peste
> o intindere plata, dar comparativ cu un zbor ca acela la Crint, este numai
o
> gluma.
>
> Aterizarea a venit cumva ca o surpriza; urcam, urcam, si la un moment dat
> ne-am asezat pe platou. Atit - nici o faza descendenta semnificativa,
pentru
> ca n-a prea avut de unde sa fie.
>
> Oaspetii aveau experienta necesara sa inteleaga bine asta, inclusiv
> riscurile. O data ce am aterizat la Crint, i-am transmis pilotului mirarea
> lor (exprimata foarte elegant si cu zimbetul pe buze) legata de
necesitatea
> unui asemenea profil pentru acel zbor. Omul a respuns rizind ceva de
genul,
> "da' ei n-au vazut cum se zbura in Vietnam ". Si apoi nici in zborul de
> intoarcere n-am vazut virful brazilor, si desi era in pragul inegurarii,
> motivul n-a fost lipsa de vizibilitate.
>
> Ce se vede la altii se poate si in Ro. Uneori, poate chiar si mai tare.
Din
> pacate, uneori camera lipseste.
>
> Sorin
>
>
>
>
> --- In aviatia@yahoogroups .com , "danpymail" danpymail@ wrote:
> >
> > Salutare,
> > Am gasit un filmulet dragut in timp ce navigam pe net: "Helicopter low
> > passes". Mie mi se pare ca e Puma...
> > Ma insel cumva?
> > http://www.snotr. com/video/ 885
> >
> > Dan
> >
>
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Tot despre accidentul de pe LROP |
"Mai mult decat atat, respectivul controlor de trafic nu a fost
inlocuit imediat dupa producerea accidentului si a continuat sa
dirijeze inca aproximativ o ora."
Fragment din articolul aparut in ziarul Gardianul. Este posibil asa
ceva ? E normal ca omul acela sa ramana la dirijare, tinand cont de
starea lui emotionala dupa producerea accidentului ? N-ar fi trebuit
inlocuit ? Iertati-ma ca intreb.
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| From: | "Nicu Bita" <office(at)jetaero.ro> |
| Subject: | RE: [Aviatia.ro] pornire avion |
Se numeste "hand steering" si sunt multe aeronave care il au si pe dreapta
pt. FO
N.
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From: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com [mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Radu Cioponea
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] pornire avion
Presupun ca intrebarea ta e sincera si cum alti piloti n-au sesizat-o, iti
dau eu un raspuns.
In primul rind miscarea in jurul axei de giratie (axa verticala) a aeronavei
nu se face cu mansa. Nu in principiu, ci cu palonierele. Cu alte cuvinte
"cirma" o misca palonierele. Virajul in zbor e putin mai complex, dar nu
intru in amanunte.
La sol, pt un avion mic, in general directia e legata de paloniere. Adica
jamba de bot e actionata de paloniere, odata cu deriva. La avioanele mari,
de ex cele de pax, sub o anumita viteza de rulaj (80kts? dlor piloti? aici
nu-s sigur) jamba este comandata de catre comandant, din locul din stinga,
cu ajutorul unui mic volan aflat in stinga lui (in engleza se numeste
tiller, nu stiu in romaneste). Peste aceasta viteza e eficienta deriva
(fortele aerodinamice preiau controlul).
Daca am observat eu bine din imaginea virtuala de la A380, mi s-a parut ca
si la FO exista tiller, e adevarat? Totdeauna m-am intrebat de ce are numai
comandantul acces, asa ca mi s-ar parea o restauratie normala.
R
----- Original Message ----
From: dennis stanescu <dennis_stanescu(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, 22 February, 2008 5:54:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] pornire avion
Dupa ce aflam cum se porneste avionul,poate ne ajuta cineva si ne si spune
cum se manevreaza el la sol( ma refer aici la taxiing).Jamba de bot este
manevrabila din mansa sau exista alt mod de a face acest lucru?
Dennis <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/06.gif>
Mihai Petrescu wrote:
Pentru ca acum indraznesc sa pun intrebari si pt ca e weekend si ne mai
descretim fruntile, intreb si eu, avioanele se pornesc prin impingere, ca
Dacia? <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif>
Mihai <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/20.gif>
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Piloti Tarom |
Am si eu o intrebare. Stiu ca in U.S. majoritatea pilotilor de la
companiile aeriene sunt recrutati din randul fostilor piloti militari
( USAirforce, etc ), pentru ca au multe ore de zbor la activ, si prea
putini sunt veniti din "civilie". Care este situatia la Tarom ? Dar la
alte companii romanesti ?
Merci
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "Andrei" wrote:
>
> Buna ziua! As vrea sa intreb ce parere aveti,daca ati aflat, despre
> locurile, in numar de 10, pe care Tarom le-a scos pentru formare
> piloti comerciali la SSAvC? eu sunt unul din cei admisi si tin
> neaparat sa va intreb ce parere aveti? inca nu ne-au chemat pentru a
> semna contractele,dar se va intampla in cel mai scurt timp.
> Va multumesc anticipat!
>
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro](No problem!) YES! |
Si mie mi se intamplat exact la fel, Cosmin. E de-a dreptul ridicol,
nu hazliu...Azi e 2 martie. Sa vedem cand va aparea postarea mea.:)
-- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Cosmin Buhu wrote:
>
>
> Salut Sorin,
>
> Uite ca nu e totusi normal, am trimis un mesaj pe 25 si pe 29
> a fost admis, aceasta rupe total logica unei discutii daca cei care o
> sustin tin de moderatori diferiti. Nu prea are rost sa postez in
conditiile
> acestea. Sunt membru pe multe forumuri, de aviatie sau altele, si
acesta este
> cel mai dificil din acest punc de vedere, de multe ori este nedemocratic
> refuzind dreptul la replica sau opinie (care daca nu vine la timp
poate sa
> fie inutila sau poate de-a dreptul hazlie).
>
> Numai bine,
> Cosmin
>
> lancer_two_one wrote:
> > Nu, nu este nici o problema. Mesajele care au ajuns de dimineata
in grup
> > sint mesaje care trebuie sa fie confirmate de un moderator inainte
de a
> > aparea pe forum.
> >
> > Pe linga acest part-time job, moderatorii mai au si ei un
full-time job,
> > asa ca uneori se mai poate intimpla.
> >
> > Credeam ca lucrurile astea sint cunoscute. Oricum, pentru mai multa
> > clarificare, si in aceatsa privinta si in citeva altele, voi
incerca sa
> > trimit un nou Mesajde Moderator cind timpul imi va permite. Adica,
cel
> > mai probabil peste o saptamina.
> >
> > Cu multumiri pentru intelegere,
> >
> > Sorin
> > Moderator
> > Aviatia.ro
> > --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Mihai Petrescu wrote:
> > >
> > > Ba eu creed ca e o problema undeva, daca azi au intrat (cel
putin la
> > mine) mesaje vechi de o saptamana!
> > >
> > > axinte dan daxy_ro2002@ wrote:
> > >
> > > totul e ok, pentru ca am primit mesajul tau...probabil ca lipsesc
> > insa subiectele incitante.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > Radu Cioponea radu_28@ wrote:
> > > Chiar nu zice nimeni nimic sau e o problema cu yahoo, grupul sau
> > emailul meu? Dupa iuresul de mesaje din ultimele 2 sapt ma mira putin
> > linistea asta brusca.
> > >
> > > Daca totul e ok dar n-avem ce zice, e absolut in regula. Prefer
> > linistea decit sa batem cimpii doar ca sa ne aflam in treaba. Sper
sa nu
> > fie totusi vreo pb tehnica.
> > >
> > > W/e placut tuturor.
> > >
> > > R
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Microburst |
Am vazut zilele trecute un film documentar pe "weather channel" despre
DAL191 care s-a prabusit, cu multi ani in urma, din
cauza...microburst. Mi-am dat eu seama ca e vorba de niste curenti de
aer dar n-am reusit sa inteleg exact despre ce e vorba. In postarile
despre inregistrarea video am vazut pomenindu-se de microburst. Este
cineva amabil sa explice mai pe romaneste ce inseamna microburst
?Multumesc.
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] microburst |
Merci, Andrei.
In legatura cu wikipedia, ce pot spune, hai sa inchidem forumul si sa
nu mai punem intrebari ca exista google si wikipedia si ce-o mai
exista :) No offence.
O zi la fel de super!
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, ANDI ANDREI wrote:
>
>
> Stati linistiti si pe Wikipedia sint articole scrise
> de MILITIENI. Cel mai bine cititi manualul JEPPESEN
> (JAA-ATPL Manual) book 9 Meteorology, Cap 15 si nu
> numai. Acolo gasiti explicatii despre cum apar, de ce,
> manifestari etc.
>
> O zi super
>
>
> --- dragos stoicescu <dragos1948stoicescu@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Cred ca cel mai bine va docomentati despre MBST pe
> > Google / Wikipedia unde veti gasi explicatii
> > stiintifice. SKC, DRagos
> >
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: fonie VFR in romania |
Spunea cineva mai inainte ca in zborul IFR este obligatorie folosirea
limbii engleze ( vorbesc de teritoriul Romaniei ). O fi obligatorie
dar sunt multi piloti si atc care comunica si in romaneste si nu cred
ca e ceva rau in asta. Si in alte tari se procedeaza la fel.
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Cosmin Buhu wrote:
>
>
> Ca o idee generala poti sa te uiti pe hartile de pe pagina de mai jos:
>
> http://www.caa.ro/ro/AirTraffic/AirspaceOrganization/AirOrg.html
>
> Sunt vechi deci ar fi bine sa faci rost de ultima versiune, cred ca CAA
> trimite prin posta cu plata a ceva euro.
>
> Clasificarea spatiilor aeriene in RO:
>
> http://www.thebyteworks.com/aero/Spatiu aerian_2007.pdf
>
> Numai bine,
> Cosmin
>
> Csanad Paszka wrote:
> > hey oameni :) postul meu original a fost pornit chiar din cauza ca eu
> > VREAU sa vorbesc ROMANESTE SI NU ENGLEZA (am timp sa vorbesc
engleza in
> > alte parti). Din cauza asta am cerut ceva frazeologie. am si
primit de
> > la multi oameni. si imi pare rau daca vi sa parut ca unu cu nume
sonor
> > se cam zbate contra sau ceva. eu am locuit in mai multe tari si
stiu, ca
> > oriunde te duci e cel mai bine sa folosesti limba nationala,
fiindca o
> > sa fi bine primit. si oameni care zboara sunt aviatori, si de
obicei nu
> > se prea pun chesti de nationalitate. asa am vazut eu :)
> >
> > multumesc inca o data pentru ajutor.
> >
> > dar inca o intrebare: de unde aflu cum sunt airspaces in Romania?
> >
> > */dkz1980 <dkz.dkz@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > Oare de ce comentariul nu a placut colegilor cu nume ... sonore ;)
> >
> > pentru VFR este permisa folosirea limbii romane (pentru IFR
insa nu),
> > pentru cei care nu stiu romana (sau nu vor sa o vorbeasca, buna
> > remarca campi) si vor sa tranziteze Romania in zbor VFR
engleza este
> > o cerinta obligatorie insa.
> >
> > --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com ,
> > Adi-RO wrote:
> > >
> > > pai catalin a dat raspunsul destul de limpede:
> > > DACA nu stii limba nationala a teritoriului survolat, atunci
> > vorbesti in engleza.
> > > cu alte cuvinte, daca zbori in romania, poti vorbi cu traficul
> > romaneste, daca nu stii romaneste (sau nu vrei sa vb romaneste)
> > atunci vb engleza.
> > > daca zbori in ungaria, poti vorbi ungureste, sau daca nu stii,
> > atunci englezeste.
> > > eu cred ca angajatii aeroclubului vorbesc romaneste - sau
> > englezeste ...
> > > cred ca s-a understood.
> > > cimpi
> > >
> > > Csanad Paszka wrote:
> > > buna intrebare :)
> > >
> > > kiss laszlo gyorgy wrote:
> > > daca limba aviatiei este engleza angajatii aeroclubului cum
> > zboara?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Catalin P." wrote:
> > > Limba oficiala in aviatie este engleza, deci daca nu
> > stapinesti limba nationala a teritoriului survolat in VFR, poti sa
> > vorbesti in engleza.
> > >
> > > C.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: csanad007 <csanad007@>
> > > To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 12:30:36 PM
> > > Subject: [Aviatia.ro] fonie VFR in romania
> > >
> > > buna ziua,
> > >
> > > daca vreau sa zbor din ugaria in romania, atuncea nu am
nevoie de
> > > fonie engleza, pot sa vorbesc cu control in limba romana.
asa este?
> > >
> > > poate cineva sa-mi trimita a scurta frazeologie, sau un
exemplu de
> > > radiotelefonie in limba romana?
> > >
> > > romana mea din pacate nu este perfecta (inteleg totul, dar
nu imi
> > vin
> > > pe limba intotdeauna cuvintele).
> > >
> > > va multumesc in avans,
> > > Csanad Paszka
> > >
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Ziua de Pasti. |
A fost doar o urare, ce naiba! Chiar nu ne mai certaseram de multa
vreme si ne lipsea ?
Ca "apartinand" Sfintei Biserici Romano-Catolice apreciez mesajul!!!
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Otopeni si summit-ul |
Zilele astea e summit-ul la Bucuresti. Am tot intrat pe forum,
asteptand pareri, impresii, ceva informatii mai "interesante" despre
cum a fost pe Otopeni, etc, etc. Stiu ca intra aici mult atc de la
LROP sau de la ACC. Chiar nimic, mai, oameni buni ? A, am o intrebare
: cand in spatiul aerian intra o aeronava oficiala, sa zicem, cand a
intrat AIr Force One, in spatiul Romaniei, se comunica cu ea pe
frecventa normala sau se foloseste o alta frecventa ,"secreta",
dinainte stabilita ? Tot ACC-ul ii monitorizeaza traseul sau altcineva
? Ruta dinspre Ucraina(in cazul de fata ) e una obisnuita in traficul
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| From: | "n7hqk" <n7hqk(at)yahoo.com> |
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Mai avem de invatat |
Trebuie sa ai timp la dispozitie sa vezi toate imaginile!
Oricum,incantatoare!
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: BAe 146 OTP |
Daca in presa scrisa autorul articolului mai are ceva timp (eventual)
sa se documenteze, dar este supus presiunii sefului (de sectie sau
chiar a redactorului sef) si trebuie sa scrie ca sigur despre ce crede
el ca s-a intamplat si cine ar fi vinovat, pentru cei din audio-video
presiunea timpului este mult mai importanta si ea se adauga stressului
provocat de aceeasi sefi! El trebuie sa ajunga rapid la locul "crimei",
sa afle macar niscaiva elemente si sa "brodeze o stirulita", spusa pe
nerasuflate, in 15 - 20 secunde. Iar daca se transmite o stire legata
de orice incident legat de un mijloc de transport,
caracterul "catastrofic" al stirii este practic obligatoriu!
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: D-l Dumitru Prunariu despre extraterestri. |
Articolul ca articolul, foarte interesant. Mult mai interesante sunt
insa comentariile facute de cititori. Te fac sa te intrebi despre
gradul lor de inteligenta sau de "nisa" cititorilor carora se adreseaza
ziarul. Cu rare exceptii, tipii aia sunt departe de orice tine de
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: BAe 146 OTP |
" Cursa... a iesit de pe pista la aterizare. Pasagerii s-au evacuat
rapid. Nu s-au inregistrat morti sau raniti. Vom reveni cu amanunte. A
transmis pentru... XYZ". Cum ar fi primita de orice televiziune de pe
glob o astfel de "stire"?
Problema nu este noua. Inca de pe la inceputurile presei scrise si a
transmisiilor radio s-a impus acest "standard" catastrofic. A luat foc
o casa. Poti spune scurt acest lucru. Nu atrage pe nimeni! Dar daca vei
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| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Sarbatori Fericite! |
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Putin ajutor pls |
=))
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "G. H." wrote:
>
> Stimate Catalin!
> Poftim ca desi am alte lucruri mai importante de facut in timpul
meu liber, am facut totusi un drum si m-am informat "muuuult mai
bine", asa "informativ pentru mine" si pentru a nu mai da "informatii
ERONATE" tinerelor sperante in aviatia civila romana!
> Astfel am aflat ca:
> 1) Inscrierea la SSAvC pt. curs IB costa cca 25 de euro;
> 2) Examinarea medicala la INMAS pt. IB este cca. 45 euro (se
obtine licenta medicala clasa2);
> 3) Cursul teoretic, ce dureaza cam 2 luni la SSAvC, costa cca.
1400 de euro;
> 4) Practica in zbor, si la Blue Air si la TAROM, costa cca. 800
de euro pt. cele 20 de ore;
> 5) Simulatorul, fie la Istanbul cu Blue Air, fie la Sofia cu
TAROM, costa in ambele cazuri aprox. 450 euro;
> 6) Examinarea la AACR pt. obtinerea licentei costa pina-n 100 de
euro;
> 7) Zborul de control costa cca. 100 euro la AACR, plus alti cca.
100 de euro la companie, rezulta inca cca 200 euro.
> Sa facem un total si rezulta: cca. 3020 euro! (Acum, daca m-au
mintit ei pe mine, va mint si eu pe voi!)
> Unde si cui spui tu ca ai platit 5000 de euro?! Sau era vorba de
USD...?
> Daca tu ai alte informatii sau am omis eu ceva, te rog sa ma
corectezi/completezi pentru a nu dezinforma pe mai departe!
> Si asa "informativ" pentru mine, cu cu scuzele de rigoare ca am
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>
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> Poate ca de aia nu dai nici tu informatii aici... Si tind sa nu
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Str. Gratioasa Nr.13, Sector 1, Bucuresti, (in curtea Aeroportului
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>
> Inca o data imi cer scuze atit fata de tine cit si fata de
ceilalti colegi de forum, pentru informatiile eronate publicate in
mailul meu anterior!
>
> Bafta!
>
> G.
> (un dezinformator, in necunostinta de cauza, rau intentionat,
etc...)
>
>
>
> raidho_joe <raidho_joe@...> wrote:
> --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "G. H."
wrote:
> >
> > Salut!
> >
> > Cursurile la SSAvC nu costa decit cca 1000 de euro in
> continuare, iar acest pret a fost si acum 8 ani acelasi, ca si-n
> prezent!
> > Insa la cei 1000 de euro incepi sa adaugi: vizita medicala la
> INMAS, practica in zbor la o companie aeriana (recomandabil Blue
> Air, ca-s mai ieftini), simulatorul, si la final examinarea la AACR!
> > Toate acestea adunate se ridica la peste 3000 de euro!
> > La fel a platit si prietena ta acum 2 ani! Intreab-o! Deci de
> scumpit nu s-a scumpit nimic!
> > Ideal ar fi ca o companie sa te accepte doar cu acest curs la
> SSAvC, urmind ca practica in zbor si simulatorul sa le faci la ei!
> Insa aceasta sansa este ca si inexistenta, atita timp cit
concurenta
> este mare, iar ei au de unde sa aleaga...
> >
> > Dak si acum cursurile sunt 1000 de euro si u recomanzi Blueair ca
> pretinzi k ar fi mai ieftin..iti recomand si eu cu cea mai mare
> cadura...sa faci un drum sa te informezi muuuult mai bine si sa
afli
> asa informativ pt tine sau cum vad k faci acum..furnizezi
informatii
> ERONATE altora..consulta pe cineva care a terminat ....nu vb fara
sa
> fii in cunostinta de cauza.( nu ma laud...dar am terminat, anul
asta
> si nu am platit 1000 de euro scoala si nici nu am facut la BlueAir
> ca e mai ieftin...)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: TIDAL WAVE |
Foarte interesanta lucrarea! Felicitari! Chiar daca nu are hartile
atasate pot cumva, cu ochii mintii , sa-mi imaginez traseele. Mai sunt
inca in viata cativa dintre aviatorii nostri care au aparat Ploiestiul.
Pe unul l-am cunoscut la serviciul meu actual. Nu mai stiu de el cam de
un an, dar pot sa-l gasesc (s-a retras la manastire!). Poate mai stie
si el cate ceva despre colegii lui care mai sunt in viata si
mai "stoarcem" niste informatii/povesti first hand!
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Miting aerian Clinceni |
din pacate asa se intampla de cele mai multe ori!
daca s-ar fi zis in comunicatul de presa care-i chema la conferinta ca
urmeaza un coctail... "bogat" si o tombola cu cadouri surpriza, n-ai fi
avut loc sa arunci un ac! eventual sa le spui ca, in premiera
(mondiala, galactica....), o formatie de Raptoare executa la
miting "bombardamente" cu inghetata/pachete cu dolari, euro,roni... la
punct fix, ai fi avut acelasi imens succes!
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] ANIVERSARE |
Poti comemora o data (calendaristica), sau o activitate a cuiva
dar... persoana in sine? Cum ar suna "comemoram azi pe Ion Iliescu,
Traian Basescu,...Luciano Mihaita"?
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Mihai Petrescu
wrote:
>
> Pai ... si amintire nu inseamna ca obiectul ei nu mai e?
>
> Mihai
>
> --- On Tue, 6/17/08, Luciano Mihaita luciano.mihaita@... wrote:
> From: Luciano Mihaita luciano.mihaita@...
> Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] ANIVERSARE
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 3:31 PM
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
> Merge si comemorare.. . nu stiu de ce se confunda comemorarea cu
slujba
> de vesnica pomenire si soborul de preoti...
>
> Uite ce scrie in dex:
>
> COMEMOR=C1,
> comemorez, vb. I. Tranz. A celebra solemn amintirea unei
> personalit=E3=FEi sau a unui eveniment important. ' Din fr. comm=E9more
r,
> lat. commemorare.
>
> Sursa: DEX '98 |
> Trimis=E3 de hai, 9 Jul
> 2004 | Gre=BAeal=E3 de tipar
>
> COMEMOR=C1
> vb. a s=E3rb=E3tori, a serba. (~ un mare eveniment.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pavel Cornel wrote:
>
>
>
> Poatye
> ar fi mai bine sa sarbatorim aniversarea a 35 de ani de la
infiintare
> si nu comemorarea
>
>
>
> -----
> Original Message ----
>
> From: szanto andreasz aszanto98@yahoo. com>
>
> To: aviatia@yahoogroups .com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:50:46 PM
>
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] ANIVERSARE
>
>
>
>
> acum 35 ani a fost infiintat AEROCLUBUL DIN BAIA MARE!!!!!!!
>
> ar trebui comemorat cumva....
>
> asteptam sugestii
>
> andreasz
>
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Intrebare Carte/Album Ilustrat de Aviatie |
Corect...totul costa destul de mult, mai ales la partea de tiparire!
Accesul la datele de pe internet nu-i o solutie - poate doar pentru o
indrumare... si sa nu uitam ca si acestea sunt introduse tot de
oameni! daca tot ne plangem ca sunt asa de putine date
scrise/tiparite, cine ne impiedica sa ne adunam fortele - inclusiv
financiar! - si sa sustinem realizare unei lucrari de mare anvergura,
gen tratat "academic", sa zicem?
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Mihai Petrescu
wrote:
>
> Imi cer scuze pentru o interventie mai putin legata de aviatie:
piata cartii din Romania este in veritabil colaps. In afara de cele
cerute sub amenintari la scoala si de cele cu coperti foarte colorate
(la propriu si la figurat), cartile nu se cumpara. In ceea ce
priveste cartea de aviatie, cine cumpara asa ceva in afara de noi,
astia care participam la forumul asta si la altele de aceeasi
orientare? (desigur, sa adaugam si un copilas de 9 ani care il
cunoaste pe un nene pilot de vanatoare - Sorin, nu te supara pe mine
pt exprimare!) Exemplu: cartea mea a fost publicata intr-un tiraj
extrem (rusinos) de mic si majoritatea exemplarelor s-au dus la
aviatori si la prieteni neaviatori, iar restul au ajuns pe la Muzeul
Aviatiei si bibliotecile locale - chiar daca as fi vrut sa fac asa
cum procedeaza unii dintre colegii mei nu as fi putut sa imi fortez
elevii sa cumpere cartea.
> Si:
> Stiu ca sunt multi aceia care vor sa cerceteze si sa scrie istorie
de aviatie. La Muzeul Aviatiei s-a discutat aproape "tare" despre
chestia asta la Sf. Ilie de anul trecut. Dar, Doamne iarta-ma! cine
sposorizeaza cercetarea si publicarea cartilor?
> Deci: de unde carti de istoria aviatiei?
>
> Mihai
>
> --- On Wed, 7/23/08, lancer_two_one <lancer_two_one@...> wrote:
> From: lancer_two_one <lancer_two_one@...>
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Intrebare Carte/Album Ilustrat de Aviatie
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 6:02 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Multumesc tuturor care au avut amabilitatea sa
raspunda. Ceea ce cautam, asa dupa cum apare si in linia de Subiect,
era o publicatie cit mai puternic ilustrata cu acoperire cit mai
larga. Si de dorit cit mai recenta.
> Din pacate vad ca asa ceva lipseste din Ro. Explicatiile cred ca se
regasesca in profitabilitate; nu e vorba de o piata ci de cel mult o
nisa, desigur si concurenta concurenta Internet-ului n-are cum sa
ajute.
> Din pacate nu stiu daca chiar toti cei pasionati-de aviatie au
acces la un calculator sau Internet. Intrebarea a plecat de la
interesul unui baietel de 9 ani...
> Multumesc,
> Sorin
>
> -
> -
> -
> -
> -
>
> --- In aviatia@yahoogroups .com, Mihai Petrescu
wrote:
> >
> > Este un fel de dictionar enciclopedic. Consemneaza, in ordine
alfabetica, nume de constructori, aeronave ... nu cronologic, ca o
istorie, evenimente.
> > Atunci imi permit sa recomand si eu o lucrare de
istorie: "Zburatori romani", de Mihai-Athanasie Petrescu, ed. Euro-
Vida M, 2002. Dar nu e o istorie, ci doar o colectie de portrete de
zburatori.
> >
> > Mihai
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/23/08, blxdan2000 blxdan2000@ .. wrote:
> > From: blxdan2000 blxdan2000@ ..
> > Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Intrebare Carte/Album Ilustrat de
Aviatie
> > To: aviatia@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 8:49 AM
> >
> > "AVIATIA", autor Conf.dr.ing. Florin Zaganescu, Editura
Stiintifica si
> > Enciclopedica, Bucuresti 1985, 414 pagini.
> > Cartea, o mica enciclopedie bogat ilustrata, corespunde
cerintelor
> > formulate. Cred ca poate fi gasita in bibliotecile din tara.
> >
> >
> > --- In aviatia@yahoogroups .com, "lancer_two_ one"
> > lancer_two_one@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Am primit o intrebare la care nu am date recente pentru un
raspuns
> > > corect. Imi poate spune cineva ce se poate gasi in Ro in genul
unei
> > > istorii de aviatie ilustrata (cu acoperire generala, aviatie
> > militara,
> > > transport... ). Ce m-ar interesa ar fi titlul, autorul,
editura,
> > locul
> > > unde poate fi gasita, limba in care este publicata, pret.
> > >
> > > Multumesc,
> > >
> > > Sorin
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://www.aviation academy.ro/
> > Forum GPS Romania :: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/gpsromania /
> > Gabriel Aircraft Models :: http://www.gabrielm odels.com/
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: examinare strejinic ..... admitere la |
Nasa
Sigur ca ne-am "tira" toti in secunda doi... dar pe ce criteriu il
alegem pe ultimul care ramane sa stinga lumina?
Lasand gluma la o parte, problema e mult mai grava decat se prezinta
initial: cine sa faca schimbarea in bine? Ai tineri au plecat care
incotro (si nu se mai intorc la 'rau" sub nicio forma!), ai de varsta
mea (46, multi inainte, multumesc) se "chinuie" sa "supravietuiasca",
iar fosilele/dinozaurii... you name it, conduc! Inca! Cat
isi "pregatesc" puisorii proprii sa preia fraiele puterii! Asa ca...
rabdare, tutun (sau distonocalm, dupa preferinta), cer senin, eclipse
frumoase si tot ce va mai doriti!
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Mihai Petrescu
wrote:
>
> Aparent fara legatura: ieri a fost Ziua Nationala a Imnului
Romaniei. Am vazut la TV o multime de oameni care habar n-aveau la ce
casca ochii pe Calea Victoriei.
condusa asa cum este condusa iar aici traiesc oamenii asa cum
traiesc. Va intreb (inclusiv pe dumneavoastra, domnule tiz): CE FACEM
CA SA SCHIMBAM LUCRURILE? Radem de aia care nu stiu cum se numeste
Imnul Romaniei si ne dam mari ca noi stim? Purtam tricouri cu
culorile nationale ale SUA sau UK sau mai stiu eu care tara o fi acum
la moda in capitala- ca la Rosiori moda vine dupa cateva zile ...) si
tunam impotriva obiceiurilor de la noi?
> Atunci mergeti "DRAGILOR" afara si faceti si scoala primara, nu
numai cea de pilotaj, la indiferent ce nivel, si ramaneti acolo!
> Poate iarasi fara legatura: aduceti-va aminte de personajul lui
Caragiale Coriolan Draganescu. Examinatorii pe care ii injurati acum
vor fi facut si ei la vremea lor scoala si vor fi trecut examene.
Tinerii brevetati de azi vor ajunge, la randul lor sa fie
examinatori. Sa speram ca vor fi mai buni! (Cred ca am dreptul sa
vorbesc despre examene, examinatori si candidati data fiind calitatea
mea de profesor, de multe ori membru in comisii de examene la
diferite nivele, de la cls. a IX-a la anul 3 de facultate).
> Celor care vor simti nevoia de a ma sterge de pe forum dupa chestia
asta: Scuze pentru interventia moralizatoare!
>
> Mihai
>
> --- On Wed, 7/30/08, QFE 040 <michal1225@...> wrote:
> From: QFE 040 <michal1225@...>
> Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] examinare strejinic ..... admitere la Nasa
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 4:22 PM
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salutare tuturor!
> -
> -
> FARA CUVINTE !!!
> -
> Dl. Catalin Prunariu, are o vorba MARE...!!! (TOT respectul
pt.-el !)
> care spune cam asa: Vulpea cand nu ajunge la struguri spune despre
ei ca sunt acrii....!
> Majoritatea-''IMPRESIONISTILOR' ' din echipajele de Inspectie/
checkride,etc sunt niste personaje complexate profesional si- AU
IMPRESIA ca daca au ajuns unde au ajuns este pe meritul lor si a
capacitatilor lor pilotaresti,-cerand de la viitorii piloti exact
ceea ce ei ...nu detin !!!- SI NICI nu o sa detina vreodata !
> -
> Daca le-adresezi o intrebare de calcul 'Load Factor' (care poate
fii rezolvata de-orice PPL-holder) va garantez ca-fara sa rasfoiasca
manualul sau checklist-ul apropriat, NU o sa va raspunda EXACT !
> -
> Niste tarani care intra in aviatie din NEVOIA de personal,
avanseaza din INERTIA profesiei la grad de Inspector si-....hopa sus
si eu -imi etalez calitatile de aviator-IMPRESIONIST- cu capacitati
verbale IMPRUMUTATE si dictie de comunicatie radio ce te zgarie in
urechi, daca intra ei pe frecventa de comunicare(Un simplu a/c
Indicativ devine din DYE....dilta yinky ico.....)
> -
> Sa nu mai vorbesc despre ce mi-au povestit-niste prieteni-de la
Delta, anul trecut ca au auzit pe frecventa 118.25/120.60MHz
(approach OTP):"this is tarom, 'xxx' flying inbound OTP,requesting
approach!"
> RIDICOL !!!
> EXISTA cateva exceptii de elita, in fata carora imi scot cascheta!
> -
> -
> Sau domnia sa cu fiul (TC) din cazul incidentului de pe pista din
data de 30/12/2007.A- ti auzit voi ca a fost suspendata ''Doamna
controlor de trafic aerian''--care prin pregatirea-i DEVASTATOR
de 'AVANSATA'-- a reusit sa menajeze activitatile coordonate de
pe-Taxiway si RWY prin exceptionala- expresie a la 'safety' :"mai
sunteti pe pista" si ''aoleu am uitat de masina''.
> -
> Eu sa fii fost-in locul vostru,dragi aspiranti-in domeniul
aviatiei-n-as mai sta pe ganduri si mi-as lua un credit din banca,
platibil DUPA absolvire(este posibil !) si as contacta PRIMA scoala
externa care ofera pregatire completa pt. ce tip de licenta doriti sa
obtineti.
> -
> Pana si mult vehiculata SSAvC ARE REPUTATIA STIRBITA chiar daca
acum s-ar arata TARE profesional- pregatiti sa primeasca 'elite
cadets'.
> [TOO LATE, crackers!!!]
> -
> Cine este atat de tampit sa plateasca 40.000++ de euro pt. CPL+IR
si ATPL ground school, cand in State costa MAXIM 40.000 euro, cu tot
cu cazare si o masa pe zi si in plus iti garanteaza-interviu cu pana
la 10 companii, pt. angajare(daca esti bun te angajeaza right away!)
> Impresionistii sa se abtina si sa-mi replice cu idei de genul:"pai
mai pui conversia licentei,bla bla bla". AFLATI DRAGILOR ca pretul
afisat mai sus INCLUDE JAA/FAA- Licence !!!
> -
> UNDE mai puneti, ca NU se da examen de admitere ci se concentreaza
sa ITI FORMEZE caracterul aviatic si multi-crew-management-ul
necesar, pe parcursul pregatirii, prin profesionalism si ....
RABDAREEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEE!!!! !!
> In tara MAGICA DACA gresesti 1 data, sunetul explicatiilor
instructorului IMPRESIONIST ajung pana la Dumnezeu sau mai departe,
pe cand- CHIAR si in Ungaria sau Spania, reia cu tine greseala de 2
sau 3 ori pana este SIGUR ca poti sa o depasesti si sa dovedesti
PROFESIONALISM in astfel de situatii unde te-ai impotmolit!
> ACEST LUCRU, NU SE VA INTAMPLA NICIODATAAA in Romania daca
instructorii/ Inspectorii IMPRESIONISTI nu isi vor privii
inceputurile lor de DOI BANI si sa vada REALITATEA MODERNISTA din
psihologia antrenamentului si pregatirii unui viitor pilot !!!
> -
> Nu spun vorbe mari. Cunosc cel putin-5 absolventi ai SSAvC
si-aproape alti 10 indirect, care mi-au confirmat aceste fapte !
> 2 dintre ei lucreaza ACTIV la Tarom-,1-la Blue Air si 2 in afara
tarii dar mi-au spus SI EI ca daca ar fii sa treaca inca odata prin
mainile SSAvC si AACR s-ar lasa de meserie daca asta ar fii SINGURA
solutie sa devina pilot !
> -[judecati voi, de ce scriu atat de profund si ADEVARAT despre
Impresionisti. .....]
> -
> In plus zbori cand au EI CHEF si-pe CE aeronava considera
marii 'IMPRESIONISTI' ca meriti sa zbori.Fara sa mai amintim de
afacerile cu cherosen,etc. .....de pe langa aerocluburile din tara!
> -
> Daca doriti sa ajungeti piloti comerciali in mai putin de 1
an,Iesiti din RO cat mai aveti TIMP. Deocamdata CEL mai avansat grad
de profesionalism in antrenamentul si formarea pilotilor privati il
puteti dobandii la Tuzla, unde RABDAREA- EXISTA.
> Impresionistii de Bucuresti (ciuperci crescute in ciupercarii
Militare sau Utilitare) isi permit fie-le rusine-- sa mai vorbeasca
de "Safety" cand ei de-abia pronunta literele militare.... ..SA nu
mai vb. de morse, care e OBLIGATORIU unui pilot profesionist!
> -
> Astept bombardamentul si criticile- IMPRESIONISTILOR !
> -
> Din start, mentionez ca NU ma voi ascunde dupa deget si daca SE
CREDE vre-un impresionist TARE- atunci TREBUIE sa o dovedeasca. Eu NU
ma cred tare! EU DOAR zbor- CRJ si ATAT dar O FAC PE CAT DE PERFECT
posibil si CU RABDARE SI PROFESIONALISMUL dobandit de la instructori
EXPERIMENTATI si PLIIIIINI de RABDARE!
> -
> Rusine sa va fie TUTUROR celor care- de la 'prinsa' in militara sau
improscat gunoi la utilitara, a-ti ajuns cu PU....terea in mana si
aveti impresia ca o aveti si in CAP!
> -
> In josul paginii aveti detalii de contact, daca doriti sa va
afirmati!
> (Oricum, am avut grija sa le-povestesc CE tarani mai exista INCA in
tara mea, care mai asteapta o masina daca vrei sa iei un examen si
care te scot din functie daca nu le place cu care picior intrii
primul-in birou la ei.........! )
> -
> -
> Cu respect CELOR ce-l merita,
> -
> -
> Mihai Beran-Hamid,
> Gulf Air
> Shk Saud Al Qasimi Building
> Salaheddin Road
> Opposite Reef Mall & Toys R Us
> Deira, Dubai
> -
> Email: Help.desk@gulfairdx b.co.ae
> Phone#: +971(0)4-282- 2103
>
> -
> -
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Avionul Electric. |
Asta ca sa nu vorbim de metalele de orice fel "ingropate" p'acolo!
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, john preston wrote:
>
> Uite, o intrebare buna. Cimentul din care sunt facute barajele -
statiile de betoane polueaza
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Luciano Mihaita <luciano.mihaita@...>
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:56:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Avionul Electric.
>
>
> Si daca mie-mi vine curentul de la portile de fier? adica de la
> hidrocentrala. ..
>
> john preston wrote:
> >
> > Iar curentul electric cu care incarci acumulatorii este produs de
o
> > termocentrala pe carbuni care din pacate polueaza.Curentul
electric
> > polueaza, la fel si hidrogenul - combustibilul secolului 21.
Trebuie
> > curent electric (termocentrala) ca sa faci electroliza si sa
obtii H2
> > respectiv O2.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: mihai nazare <yahim_zan@yahoo. com>
> > To: aviatia@yahoogroups .com
> > Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 2:04:31 PM
> > Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Avionul Electric.
> >
> > * Avionul Electric.*
> > 2538736321_f9240fd3 e6_b
> > <http://blog. wired.com/ .shared/image. html?/photos/
uncategorized/ 2008/08/05/ 2538736321_ f9240fd3e6_ b.jpg>
> >
> > Avionul electric alimentat de la o baterie cu Litiu isi face
> > debutul si deja este o realitate.
> > Bateria permite alimentarea unui electromotor cu o putere de 5,6
Kwh
> > aproape 8 CP. cu 1000 de cicluri (1000 de incarcari,descarcar
> > i) Viteza de croaziera este de 70 M(113km/h)
> > viteza maxima 90 MPH (145 km/h) Durata zborului este 90 la 120 de
> > minute, apoi bateria trebuie reincarcata. Incarcarea bateriei la
> > tensiunea de 110V dureaza 6 ore iar la 220V 2 ore.
> > Avantaje Lipsa vibratiilor, lipsa ,zgomotului, ai impresia ca
zbori cu
> > planorul si nu cu avionul, nu este poluant, protejand deci
mediul,
> > cerinta primordiala a sec.21 si este economic d.p.d.v. al
pretului de
> > cost pe km. parcurs.
> >
> > http://blog. wired.com/ cars/2008/ 08/the-company- cla.html
> > <http://blog. wired.com/ cars/2008/ 08/the-company- cla.html>
> >
> > * Zan.*
> >
> > Sa ne reamintim despre *_Lithium._*
> >
> > Litiu este un metal alcalin usor si conform tabelului periodic al
> > elementelor a lui Medeleev, face parte din categoria pamanturilor
> > rare.In ordinea greutatii atomice in tabel este pe pozitia Nr.3
dupa
> > Hidrogen si Heliu. Afost descoperit =EEn 1817 de c=E3tre Johann
Arfvedseon.
> >
> > *Litiul* este un element chimic avnd simbolul chimic *Li* =BAi
num=E3rul
> > atomic 3. Este un metal alcalin u=BAor avnd o culoare alb-
argintie. In
> > condi=FEii normale este cel mai u=BAor metal =BAi cel mai pu=FEin dens
solid.
> > La fel ca toate metalele alcaline Litiul este foarte reactiv, se
> > corodeaz=E3 rapid =EEn aer umed pierzndu-=BAi luciul =BAi =EEnnegrin
du-se.
Din
> > acest motiv este p=E3strat sub un strat de ulei.
> > Conform teoriei, litiul (mai ales ^7 Li) a fost unul dintre
pu=FEinele
> > elemente sintetizate =EEn urma Big Bang, de=BAi cantitatea lui a
sc=E3zut
> > semnificativ. Motivele dispari=FEiei =BAi procesele prin care litiul
este
> > produs continua s=E3 fie unul dintre studiile importante din
astronomie.
> > Litiul este al 33-lea element ca abunden=FE=E3 pe P=E3mnt dar datori
t=E3
mari
> > lui reactivit=E3=FEi =EEl gasim doar sub form=E3 de compu=BAi. Litiul s
e
g=E3se=BAte
> > =EEn z=E3c=E3minte pegmatitice, dar se poate ob=FEine de asemenea din a
pa
de
> > mare =BAi argil=E3; la scara industrial=E3, litiul este izolat
electrolitic
> > dintr-o mixtura de clorura de litiu =BAi clorura de potasiu.
> > Cantit=E3=FEi mici de litiu se g=E3sesc in apa oceanelor =BAi =EEn unel
e
> > organisme vii cu toate ca s-a constatat c=E3 nu =EEndepline=BAte nici o
> > necesitate biologica pentru organismul uman. Totu=BAi, efectul
> > neurologic al ionilor de litiu Li^+ , face ca unele s=E3ruri de
litiu s=E3
> > fie folosite ca medicamente pentru =EEmbun=E3t=E3=FEirea st=E3rii de
spirit.
> > Litiul =BAi compu=BAii s=E3i au =BAi alte cteva aplica=FEii industri
ale,
> > incluznd sticl=E3 si ceramic=E3 termorezistent=E3 , aliaje de mare
> > rezisten=FE=E3 =BAi cu greutate redus=E3 folosite =EEn* _aeronautic=E3_
* =BAi
nu =EEn
> > ultimul rnd bateriile alcaline cu litiu. Litiul, de asemenea are
un
> > rol important =EEn fizica nuclear=E3: fisiunea atomilor de litiu a
fost
> > prima reac=FEie nucleara efectuata de ctre omenire, =BAi deuteritiul
de
> > litiu este combustibilul pentru armele termonucleare.
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Avionul Electric. |
...care apa grea e obtinuta si mai greu, si prin procedee
costisitoare!
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, mihai nazare wrote:
>
> Corect, numai ca obtinerea hidrogenului prin electroliza apei se
face numai in scop demonstrativ de ex.in laboratorul scolii. Desi
este cel mai curat procedeu de fabricare a hidrogenului, este in
acelasi timp cel mai negativ proces din punct de vedere energetic
dintre toate celelalte ,deoarece eficenta energetica este de doar 75
la suta.Iar dupa cum stim pentru a produce energie, trebuie sa
consumi energie.Si atunci trebuie sa gasesti metoda prin care
randamentul sa fie cat mai aproapiat de 1 iar CO2 cat mai apropiat de
zero, Aceasta este dilema secolului 21.
> Un procedeu cu un randament energetic avantajos este fabricarea
hidrogenului bazata pe reactia metanului cu vapori de apa, la circa
900 ' 10000 in prezenta unui catalizator de nichel , pe suport
ceramic.
> Hidrogenul la ora actuala nu este produs la scara industriala, ca
un scop in sine. El rezulta ca un produs secundar in procesul de
fabricatie a altor substante chimice.
> Hidrogenul deocamdata se produce numai in statii pilot.
> Deci se poate trage concluzia ca deocamdata fabricrea
hidrogenului cu metodele puse la dispozitie de tehnologia actuala nu
este rentabila din punct de vedere al
> raportului energetic deci al randamentului.
> Solutia de viitor pentru a rezolva foamea de energie a planetei,
nu este insa hidrogenul ci deuteriul adica hidrogenul greu care se
afla in molecula de apa grea.
>
> Zan.
>
>
> john preston <johnny13783@...> wrote:
> Iar curentul electric cu care incarci acumulatorii
este produs de o termocentrala pe carbuni care din pacate
polueaza.Curentul electric polueaza, la fel si hidrogenul -
combustibilul secolului 21. Trebuie curent electric (termocentrala)
ca sa faci electroliza si sa obtii H2 respectiv O2.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mihai nazare <yahim_zan@...>
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 2:04:31 PM
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Avionul Electric.
>
> Avionul Electric.
>
>
> Avionul electric alimentat de la o baterie cu Litiu isi face
debutul si deja este o realitate.
> Bateria permite alimentarea unui electromotor cu o putere de 5,6
Kwh aproape 8 CP. cu 1000 de cicluri (1000 de incarcari,descarcar i)
Viteza de croaziera este de 70 M(113km/h)
> viteza maxima 90 MPH (145 km/h) Durata zborului este 90 la 120 de
minute, apoi bateria trebuie reincarcata. Incarcarea bateriei la
tensiunea de 110V dureaza 6 ore iar la 220V 2 ore.
> Avantaje Lipsa vibratiilor, lipsa ,zgomotului, ai impresia ca
zbori cu planorul si nu cu avionul, nu este poluant, protejand deci
mediul, cerinta primordiala a sec.21 si este economic d.p.d.v. al
pretului de cost pe km. parcurs.
>
> http://blog. wired.com/ cars/2008/ 08/the-company- cla.html
>
> Zan.
>
> Sa ne reamintim despre Lithium.
>
> Litiu este un metal alcalin usor si conform tabelului periodic
al elementelor a lui Medeleev, face parte din categoria pamanturilor
rare.In ordinea greutatii atomice in tabel este pe pozitia Nr.3 dupa
Hidrogen si Heliu. Afost descoperit =EEn 1817 de c=E3tre Johann
Arfvedseon.
>
> Litiul este un element chimic avnd simbolul chimic Li =BAi num=E3rul
atomic 3. Este un metal alcalin u=BAor avnd o culoare alb-argintie. In
condi=FEii normale este cel mai u=BAor metal =BAi cel mai pu=FEin dens soli
d.
La fel ca toate metalele alcaline Litiul este foarte reactiv, se
corodeaz=E3 rapid =EEn aer umed pierzndu-=BAi luciul =BAi =EEnnegrindu-s
e. Din
acest motiv este p=E3strat sub un strat de ulei.
> Conform teoriei, litiul (mai ales 7Li) a fost unul dintre
pu=FEinele elemente sintetizate =EEn urma Big Bang, de=BAi cantitatea lui a
sc=E3zut semnificativ. Motivele dispari=FEiei =BAi procesele prin care
litiul este produs continua s=E3 fie unul dintre studiile importante
din astronomie. Litiul este al 33-lea element ca abunden=FE=E3 pe P=E3mn
t
dar datorit=E3 mari lui reactivit=E3=FEi =EEl gasim doar sub form=E3 de
compu=BAi. Litiul se g=E3se=BAte =EEn z=E3c=E3minte pegmatitice, dar se poa
te
ob=FEine de asemenea din apa de mare =BAi argil=E3; la scara industrial=E3,
litiul este izolat electrolitic dintr-o mixtura de clorura de litiu
=BAi clorura de potasiu.
> Cantit=E3=FEi mici de litiu se g=E3sesc in apa oceanelor =BAi =EEn unel
e
organisme vii cu toate ca s-a constatat c=E3 nu =EEndepline=BAte nici o
necesitate biologica pentru organismul uman. Totu=BAi, efectul
neurologic al ionilor de litiu Li+, face ca unele s=E3ruri de litiu s=E3
fie folosite ca medicamente pentru =EEmbun=E3t=E3=FEirea st=E3rii de spirit
.
Litiul =BAi compu=BAii s=E3i au =BAi alte cteva aplica=FEii industriale,
incluznd sticl=E3 si ceramic=E3 termorezistent=E3 , aliaje de mare
rezisten=FE=E3 =BAi cu greutate redus=E3 folosite =EEn aeronautic=E3 =BAi n
u =EEn
ultimul rnd bateriile alcaline cu litiu. Litiul, de asemenea are un
rol important =EEn fizica nuclear=E3: fisiunea atomilor de litiu a fost
prima reac=FEie nucleara efectuata de ctre omenire, =BAi deuteritiul de
litiu este combustibilul pentru armele termonucleare.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Stire oficiala - Bucurestiul va avea un |
nou aeroport
---
Pana si la Sfanta Scriptura scrie:"crede si nu cerceta"!
Daca "statul" considera ca-i necesar un nou aeroport, atunci asa e! N-
are nicio importanta ce si daca poate! Cum, la fel, nu-i deloc
relevant nici faptul ca niste terenuri vor trebui expropiate,
ridicandu-si, absolut intamplator, valoarea (niste "oameni" devenind,
astfel, mai "putred" de bogati decat erau)!
Asa ca,
Tot inainte, spre victoria finala!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "ioana_atc" wrote:
>
> ma indoiesc de capacitatea statului roman de a construi un nou
> aeroport, atat timp cat nu e in stare sa termine reparatia unei
> TREIMI a pistei 08L-26R de la Otopeni, de anul trecut din
mai...adica
> de 15 luni...
> extinderea a/p existente, sau, cel putin a Otopeniului - cu toate
> problemele legate de exproprieri, etc -, ar fi mult mai ieftina,
dar,
> ce stim noi, muritorii de rand??? parerea mea...
>
> toate bune!
> --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Ion wrote:
> >
> > *Bucurestiul va avea un nou aeroport*
> >
> >
> > Guvernul a aprobat construirea unui nou aeroport =C3=AEn zona
> municipiului
> > Bucure=C5=9Fti, potrivit unei Hot=C4=83r=C3=A2ri adoptate =C3=AEn =C5
=9Fedin=C5=A3a de
> miercuri.
> >
> > =9EGuvernul a luat aceast=C4=83 hot=C4=83r=C3=A2re pentru a veni
=C3=AEn
> =C3=AEnt=C3=A2mpinarea nevoilor pe
> > care le are Capitala, ora=C5=9F aflat =C3=AEn plin=C4=83 dezvoltare. Ac
est
fapt
> se
> > manifest=C4=83 inclusiv prin cre=C5=9Fterea considerabil=C4=83 a trafic
ului
de
> pasageri
> > =C3=AEnregistrat pe cele dou=C4=83 aeroporturi deja existente. Guvernul
=C5=9Fi
> > Primul-ministru consider=C4=83 c=C4=83 infrastructura trebuie s=C4=83
=C5=A3in=C4=83
> pasul cu aceste
> > realit=C4=83=C5=A3i, cu aceste evolu=C5=A3ii, pentru a putea facilita
tendin=C5=A3a
> de
> > dezvoltare a Capitalei", a declarat purt=C4=83torul de cuv=C3=A2nt al
> Guvernului,
> > Camelia Sp=C4=83taru.
> >
> > Este vorba despre o lucrare prioritar=C4=83 =C3=AEn completarea
> direc=C5=A3iilor de
> > dezvoltare a infrastructurii de transport, prev=C4=83zute =C3=AEn anexa
nr.
> 7 la Legea
> > nr. 363/2006 privind aprobarea Planului de amenajare a
teritoriului
> na=C5=A3ional
> > - Sec=C5=A3iunea I Re=C5=A3ele de transport.
> >
> > Programul privind executarea lucr=C4=83rilor aferente realiz=C4=83rii
> noului aeroport
> > se va stabili pe baza unui studiu de fezabilitate elaborat prin
> grija
> > Ministerului Transporturilor =C5=9Fi finan=C5=A3at, prin bugetul
aceluia=C5=9Fi
> minister,
> > din fonduri alocate de la bugetul de stat.
> >
> > Amplasarea =C3=AEn teritoriu, delimitarea terenurilor necesare
> realiz=C4=83rii
> > investi=C5=A3iei precum =C5=9Fi aspectele arhitectural-urbanistice ale
> acesteia vor fi
> > stabilite pe baza documenta=C5=A3iilor de amenajare a teritoriului
=C5=9Fi
> de urbanism
> > elaborate, avizate =C5=9Fi aprobate conform legii.
> >
> > Obiectivul urm=C4=83rit de Ministerul Transporturilor prin promovarea
> acestui
> > proiect, av=C3=A2nd =C3=AEn vedere cre=C5=9Fterea anual=C4=83 a traficu
lui
> aeroportuar, este de
> > a asigura un trafic aerian =C3=AEn condi=C5=A3ii de maxim=C4=83 siguran
=C5=A3=C4=83,
> inclusiv prin
> > crearea =C3=AEn avans a capacit=C4=83=C5=A3ii necesare din punct de ved
ere al
> > infrastructurii, =C3=AEn func=C5=A3ie de traficul previzionat.
> >
> > =9EO alt=C4=83 decizie luat=C4=83 ast=C4=83zi de primul-ministru
=C5=9Fi membrii
> Cabinetului se
> > refer=C4=83 la desemnarea secretarului de stat din Ministerul
> Transporturilor,
> > Septimiu Buza=C5=9Fu, s=C4=83 urm=C4=83reasc=C4=83 =C3=AEndeaproape sta
diului
> principalelor lucr=C4=83ri
> > de construc=C5=A3ie =C5=9Fi modernizare a infrastructurii de transport.
> S=C4=83pt=C4=83m=C3=A2nal,
> > domnul secretar de stat, va avea =C3=AEnt=C3=A2lniri cu reprezentan=C5
=A3i ai
> Ministerului
> > Mediului, Agriculturii, ai Institutului de Cadastru s=C4=83 vad=C4=83
care
> sunt
> > eventualele probleme =C5=9Fi s=C4=83 g=C4=83seasc=C4=83 solu=C5=A3ii ur
gente pentru
> dep=C4=83=C5=9Firea
> > acestora", a mai declarat purt=C4=83torul de cuv=C3=A2nt al Guvernului,
> Camelia
> > Sp=C4=83taru.
> >
> >
> >
> > Informa=C5=A3ii de background
> >
> > Municipiul Bucure=C5=9Fti este deservit, =C3=AEn prezent, de dou=C4=83
> aeroporturi
> > interna=C5=A3ionale, respectiv Henri Coand=C4=83 =C5=9Fi Aurel Vlaicu,
ambele
> clasificate
> > ca fiind de interes na=C5=A3ional =C5=9Fi av=C3=A2nd ca ac=C5=A3ionar m
ajoritar
> statul rom=C3=A2n,
> > reprezentat de Ministerul Transporturilor.
> >
> > =C3=8En anul 2007, traficul de pasageri =C3=AEnregistrat a fost de:
> 4.037.683 pe
> > Aeroportul Henri Coand=C4=83 - cre=C5=9Ftere de 41% fa=C5=A3=C4=83 de a
nul 2006
=C5=9Fi
> 968.084 pe
> > Aeroportul Bucure=C5=9Fti B=C4=83neasa - cre=C5=9Ftere de 43% fa=C5=A3
=C4=83 de anul
> 2006.
> >
> > Din analizele =C5=9Fi previziunile de trafic efectuate de EUROCONTROL
> rezult=C4=83 c=C4=83,
> > pentru =C5=A3ara noastr=C4=83, =C3=AEn perioada 2008-2014, urmeaz=C4=83
s=C4=83 se
> =C3=AEnregistreze o
> > cre=C5=9Ftere medie anual=C4=83 a traficului aeroportuar de 6,9%, cu o
> rat=C4=83 de
> > cre=C5=9Ftere sensibil mai mare =C3=AEn zona municipiului Bucure=C5=9Ft
i.
> >
> > Guvernul Romaniei - Biroul de presa - 20.08.2008
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Stire oficiala - Bucurestiul va avea un |
nou aeroport
---
Corect! A fost spusa de Celsus prin secolul al II - lea! Dar am fost
acu la popa (a se citi preot) si l-am intrebat de unde naiba
provine "credinta" asta? Din Vechiul Testament, in Pildele sau
Proverbele lui Solomon catre fiul sau David, sta scris: "Orice cuvant
al lui Dumnezeu este incercat. El este un scut pentru cei ce se
incred in El. N-adauga nimic la spusele Lui, ca sa nu te pedepseasca,
si sa nu fii gasit mincinos". Pe scurt, "crede si nu cerceta"!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "lancer_two_one"
wrote:
>
>
> N-am putut sa citesc articolul "oficial" postat aici pe site din
motive
> de formatare. Nici timp nu am sa ma duc sa-l caut acum prin presa.
Asa
> ca n-am nici o idee despre locatia acestui a/p acum cind scriu
aici. In
> trecut se vorbea de Vacaresti, mai recent de Adunatii-Copaceni. Am
mai
> auzit parca Domnesti...
>
> Oricum, pe linga aeroport mai e nevoie de o intreaga infrasctuctura
(cai
> de acces, ...etc). Si mai ales de a intelege ce vor utilizatorii
> aeroportului existent. Altfel si pe la case mai mari s-au intimplat
> anomalii. Una din ele este in Montreal. Un aeroport de talie
> internationala este complet pustiu si deci neutilizat. Nimeni n-a
prea
> vrut sa plece de pe aeroportul "vechi" desi s-a pretins ca are unele
> probleme. Utilizatorii/operatorii au fost de alta parere... adica
de aia
> care conteaza.
>
> Cred ca cei ce ce vor da go-ahead pentru un nou a/p ar trebui sa
vada o
> fundamentare serioasa privitoare la necesitatea unui asemenea efort
daca
> el se face din bani publici.
>
> In alta ordine de idei, rblarry, da-mi si mie o directie (capitol ,
> verset, pagina, ) unde se gaseste citatul pe care il atribui tu
Sfintei
> Scripturi.
>
> Sorin
>
>
>
>
> --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "rblarry69" wrote:
> >
> > ---
> > Pana si la Sfanta Scriptura scrie:"crede si nu cerceta"!
> > Daca "statul" considera ca-i necesar un nou aeroport, atunci asa
e! N-
> > are nicio importanta ce si daca poate! Cum, la fel, nu-i deloc
> > relevant nici faptul ca niste terenuri vor trebui expropiate,
> > ridicandu-si, absolut intamplator, valoarea (niste "oameni"
devenind,
> > astfel, mai "putred" de bogati decat erau)!
> > Asa ca,
> >
> >
> >
> > Tot inainte, spre victoria finala!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "ioana_atc" ioana_atc@ wrote:
> > >
> > > ma indoiesc de capacitatea statului roman de a construi un nou
> > > aeroport, atat timp cat nu e in stare sa termine reparatia unei
> > > TREIMI a pistei 08L-26R de la Otopeni, de anul trecut din
> > mai...adica
> > > de 15 luni...
> > > extinderea a/p existente, sau, cel putin a Otopeniului - cu
toate
> > > problemele legate de exproprieri, etc -, ar fi mult mai ieftina,
> > dar,
> > > ce stim noi, muritorii de rand??? parerea mea...
> > >
> > > toate bune!
> > > --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Ion wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *Bucurestiul va avea un nou aeroport*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guvernul a aprobat construirea unui nou aeroport =C3=AEn zona
> > > municipiului
> > > > Bucure=C5=9Fti, potrivit unei Hot=C4=83r=C3=A2ri adoptate =C3=AEn
> =C5=9Fedin=C5=A3a de
> > > miercuri.
> > > >
> > > > =9EGuvernul a luat aceast=C4=83 hot=C4=83r=C3=A2re pentru a
> veni =C3=AEn
> > > =C3=AEnt=C3=A2mpinarea nevoilor pe
> > > > care le are Capitala, ora=C5=9F aflat =C3=AEn plin=C4=83
> dezvoltare. Acest
> > fapt
> > > se
> > > > manifest=C4=83 inclusiv prin cre=C5=9Fterea considerabil=C4=83 a
> traficului
> > de
> > > pasageri
> > > > =C3=AEnregistrat pe cele dou=C4=83 aeroporturi deja existente.
> Guvernul
> > =C5=9Fi
> > > > Primul-ministru consider=C4=83 c=C4=83 infrastructura trebuie
> s=C4=83 =C5=A3in=C4=83
> > > pasul cu aceste
> > > > realit=C4=83=C5=A3i, cu aceste evolu=C5=A3ii, pentru a putea facili
ta
> > tendin=C5=A3a
> > > de
> > > > dezvoltare a Capitalei", a declarat purt=C4=83torul de cuv=C3=A2nt
> al
> > > Guvernului,
> > > > Camelia Sp=C4=83taru.
> > > >
> > > > Este vorba despre o lucrare prioritar=C4=83 =C3=AEn completarea
> > > direc=C5=A3iilor de
> > > > dezvoltare a infrastructurii de transport, prev=C4=83zute =C3=AEn
> anexa
> > nr.
> > > 7 la Legea
> > > > nr. 363/2006 privind aprobarea Planului de amenajare a
> > teritoriului
> > > na=C5=A3ional
> > > > - Sec=C5=A3iunea I Re=C5=A3ele de transport.
> > > >
> > > > Programul privind executarea lucr=C4=83rilor aferente
> realiz=C4=83rii
> > > noului aeroport
> > > > se va stabili pe baza unui studiu de fezabilitate elaborat
prin
> > > grija
> > > > Ministerului Transporturilor =C5=9Fi finan=C5=A3at, prin bugetul
> > aceluia=C5=9Fi
> > > minister,
> > > > din fonduri alocate de la bugetul de stat.
> > > >
> > > > Amplasarea =C3=AEn teritoriu, delimitarea terenurilor necesare
> > > realiz=C4=83rii
> > > > investi=C5=A3iei precum =C5=9Fi aspectele arhitectural-urbanistice
> ale
> > > acesteia vor fi
> > > > stabilite pe baza documenta=C5=A3iilor de amenajare a teritoriului
> > =C5=9Fi
> > > de urbanism
> > > > elaborate, avizate =C5=9Fi aprobate conform legii.
> > > >
> > > > Obiectivul urm=C4=83rit de Ministerul Transporturilor prin
> promovarea
> > > acestui
> > > > proiect, av=C3=A2nd =C3=AEn vedere cre=C5=9Fterea anual=C4=83 a
> traficului
> > > aeroportuar, este de
> > > > a asigura un trafic aerian =C3=AEn condi=C5=A3ii de maxim=C4=83
> siguran=C5=A3=C4=83,
> > > inclusiv prin
> > > > crearea =C3=AEn avans a capacit=C4=83=C5=A3ii necesare din punct de
> vedere al
> > > > infrastructurii, =C3=AEn func=C5=A3ie de traficul previzionat.
> > > >
> > > > =9EO alt=C4=83 decizie luat=C4=83 ast=C4=83zi de
> primul-ministru =C5=9Fi membrii
> > > Cabinetului se
> > > > refer=C4=83 la desemnarea secretarului de stat din Ministerul
> > > Transporturilor,
> > > > Septimiu Buza=C5=9Fu, s=C4=83 urm=C4=83reasc=C4=83 =C3=AEndeaproape
> stadiului
> > > principalelor lucr=C4=83ri
> > > > de construc=C5=A3ie =C5=9Fi modernizare a infrastructurii de
> transport.
> > > S=C4=83pt=C4=83m=C3=A2nal,
> > > > domnul secretar de stat, va avea =C3=AEnt=C3=A2lniri cu
> reprezentan=C5=A3i ai
> > > Ministerului
> > > > Mediului, Agriculturii, ai Institutului de Cadastru s=C4=83
> vad=C4=83
> > care
> > > sunt
> > > > eventualele probleme =C5=9Fi s=C4=83 g=C4=83seasc=C4=83
> solu=C5=A3ii urgente pentru
> > > dep=C4=83=C5=9Firea
> > > > acestora", a mai declarat purt=C4=83torul de cuv=C3=A2nt al
> Guvernului,
> > > Camelia
> > > > Sp=C4=83taru.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Informa=C5=A3ii de background
> > > >
> > > > Municipiul Bucure=C5=9Fti este deservit, =C3=AEn prezent, de
> dou=C4=83
> > > aeroporturi
> > > > interna=C5=A3ionale, respectiv Henri Coand=C4=83 =C5=9Fi Aurel
> Vlaicu, ambele
> > > clasificate
> > > > ca fiind de interes na=C5=A3ional =C5=9Fi av=C3=A2nd ca ac=C5=A3ion
ar
> majoritar
> > > statul rom=C3=A2n,
> > > > reprezentat de Ministerul Transporturilor.
> > > >
> > > > =C3=8En anul 2007, traficul de pasageri =C3=AEnregistrat a fost de:
> > > 4.037.683 pe
> > > > Aeroportul Henri Coand=C4=83 - cre=C5=9Ftere de 41% fa=C5=A3=C4=83
de
> anul 2006
> > =C5=9Fi
> > > 968.084 pe
> > > > Aeroportul Bucure=C5=9Fti B=C4=83neasa - cre=C5=9Ftere de 43%
> fa=C5=A3=C4=83 de anul
> > > 2006.
> > > >
> > > > Din analizele =C5=9Fi previziunile de trafic efectuate de
> EUROCONTROL
> > > rezult=C4=83 c=C4=83,
> > > > pentru =C5=A3ara noastr=C4=83, =C3=AEn perioada 2008-2014,
> urmeaz=C4=83 s=C4=83 se
> > > =C3=AEnregistreze o
> > > > cre=C5=9Ftere medie anual=C4=83 a traficului aeroportuar de 6,9%,
> cu o
> > > rat=C4=83 de
> > > > cre=C5=9Ftere sensibil mai mare =C3=AEn zona municipiului
> Bucure=C5=9Fti.
> > > >
> > > > Guvernul Romaniei - Biroul de presa - 20.08.2008
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Stire oficiala - Bucurestiul va avea un |
nou aeroport
--- Ne oprim...corect fiindca nu are nicio legatura cu aviatia! Desi
la partea cu interpretarea ar fi mult mai mult de discutat. Ce am
scris era doar rezumatul unei discutii de aproape 5 ore
cu "parintelul" (un tip foarte simpatic, dealtfel). Am ajuns in final
sa admitem ca fiecare are dreptate. Solomonica judecata!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "lancer_two_one"
wrote:
>
>
> rblarry69,
>
> Multumesc pentru confirmare. Nu exista o asemenea idee in Sfinta
> Scriptura, si nici in general in religia crestina.
>
> Dincolo de asta, chiar si interpretarea ta "Pe scurt:..." este
erronata.
> Cred ca oricine citeste pasajul citat de tine poate intelege:
>
> - din prima fraza propozitie: Cuvintul are greutate, e important, e
> incercat....
>
> - din a doua fraza: Cuvintul ii apara pe cei ce-l recunosc.
>
> - a trei fraza: Nu-L modifica/ rastalmaci.
>
> Nu este nimic legat de o credinta "orbeasca" ci numai un indemn de
a nu
> modifica.
>
> Zic totusi sa ne oprim aici. Aviatia incepe sa fie departe.
>
> Sorin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "rblarry69" wrote:
> >
> > ---
> > Corect! A fost spusa de Celsus prin secolul al II - lea! Dar am
fost
> > acu la popa (a se citi preot) si l-am intrebat de unde naiba
> > provine "credinta" asta? Din Vechiul Testament, in Pildele sau
> > Proverbele lui Solomon catre fiul sau David, sta scris: "Orice
cuvant
> > al lui Dumnezeu este incercat. El este un scut pentru cei ce se
> > incred in El. N-adauga nimic la spusele Lui, ca sa nu te
pedepseasca,
> > si sa nu fii gasit mincinos". Pe scurt, "crede si nu cerceta"!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "lancer_two_one" lancer_two_one@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > N-am putut sa citesc articolul "oficial" postat aici pe site din
> > motive
> > > de formatare. Nici timp nu am sa ma duc sa-l caut acum prin
presa.
> > Asa
> > > ca n-am nici o idee despre locatia acestui a/p acum cind scriu
> > aici. In
> > > trecut se vorbea de Vacaresti, mai recent de Adunatii-Copaceni.
Am
> > mai
> > > auzit parca Domnesti...
> > >
> > > Oricum, pe linga aeroport mai e nevoie de o intreaga
infrasctuctura
> > (cai
> > > de acces, ...etc). Si mai ales de a intelege ce vor utilizatorii
> > > aeroportului existent. Altfel si pe la case mai mari s-au
intimplat
> > > anomalii. Una din ele este in Montreal. Un aeroport de talie
> > > internationala este complet pustiu si deci neutilizat. Nimeni n-
a
> > prea
> > > vrut sa plece de pe aeroportul "vechi" desi s-a pretins ca are
unele
> > > probleme. Utilizatorii/operatorii au fost de alta parere...
adica
> > de aia
> > > care conteaza.
> > >
> > > Cred ca cei ce ce vor da go-ahead pentru un nou a/p ar trebui sa
> > vada o
> > > fundamentare serioasa privitoare la necesitatea unui asemenea
efort
> > daca
> > > el se face din bani publici.
> > >
> > > In alta ordine de idei, rblarry, da-mi si mie o directie
(capitol ,
> > > verset, pagina, ) unde se gaseste citatul pe care il atribui tu
> > Sfintei
> > > Scripturi.
> > >
> > > Sorin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "rblarry69" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Pana si la Sfanta Scriptura scrie:"crede si nu cerceta"!
> > > > Daca "statul" considera ca-i necesar un nou aeroport, atunci
asa
> > e! N-
> > > > are nicio importanta ce si daca poate! Cum, la fel, nu-i deloc
> > > > relevant nici faptul ca niste terenuri vor trebui expropiate,
> > > > ridicandu-si, absolut intamplator, valoarea (niste "oameni"
> > devenind,
> > > > astfel, mai "putred" de bogati decat erau)!
> > > > Asa ca,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tot inainte, spre victoria finala!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "ioana_atc" ioana_atc@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ma indoiesc de capacitatea statului roman de a construi un
nou
> > > > > aeroport, atat timp cat nu e in stare sa termine reparatia
unei
> > > > > TREIMI a pistei 08L-26R de la Otopeni, de anul trecut din
> > > > mai...adica
> > > > > de 15 luni...
> > > > > extinderea a/p existente, sau, cel putin a Otopeniului - cu
> > toate
> > > > > problemele legate de exproprieri, etc -, ar fi mult mai
ieftina,
> > > > dar,
> > > > > ce stim noi, muritorii de rand??? parerea mea...
> > > > >
> > > > > toate bune!
> > > > > --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Ion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Bucurestiul va avea un nou aeroport*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guvernul a aprobat construirea unui nou aeroport =C3=AEn zona
> > > > > municipiului
> > > > > > Bucure=C5=9Fti, potrivit unei Hot=C4=83r=C3=A2ri adoptate
> =C3=AEn
> > > =C5=9Fedin=C5=A3a de
> > > > > miercuri.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =9EGuvernul a luat aceast=C4=83 hot=C4=83r=C3=A2re pentru
> a
> > > veni =C3=AEn
> > > > > =C3=AEnt=C3=A2mpinarea nevoilor pe
> > > > > > care le are Capitala, ora=C5=9F aflat =C3=AEn plin=C4=83
> > > dezvoltare. Acest
> > > > fapt
> > > > > se
> > > > > > manifest=C4=83 inclusiv prin cre=C5=9Fterea considerabil=C4=83
> a
> > > traficului
> > > > de
> > > > > pasageri
> > > > > > =C3=AEnregistrat pe cele dou=C4=83 aeroporturi deja existente.
> > > Guvernul
> > > > =C5=9Fi
> > > > > > Primul-ministru consider=C4=83 c=C4=83 infrastructura trebuie
> > > s=C4=83 =C5=A3in=C4=83
> > > > > pasul cu aceste
> > > > > > realit=C4=83=C5=A3i, cu aceste evolu=C5=A3ii, pentru a putea
> facilita
> > > > tendin=C5=A3a
> > > > > de
> > > > > > dezvoltare a Capitalei", a declarat purt=C4=83torul de
> cuv=C3=A2nt
> > > al
> > > > > Guvernului,
> > > > > > Camelia Sp=C4=83taru.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Este vorba despre o lucrare prioritar=C4=83 =C3=AEn completarea
> > > > > direc=C5=A3iilor de
> > > > > > dezvoltare a infrastructurii de transport, prev=C4=83zute
> =C3=AEn
> > > anexa
> > > > nr.
> > > > > 7 la Legea
> > > > > > nr. 363/2006 privind aprobarea Planului de amenajare a
> > > > teritoriului
> > > > > na=C5=A3ional
> > > > > > - Sec=C5=A3iunea I Re=C5=A3ele de transport.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Programul privind executarea lucr=C4=83rilor aferente
> > > realiz=C4=83rii
> > > > > noului aeroport
> > > > > > se va stabili pe baza unui studiu de fezabilitate elaborat
> > prin
> > > > > grija
> > > > > > Ministerului Transporturilor =C5=9Fi finan=C5=A3at, prin
> bugetul
> > > > aceluia=C5=9Fi
> > > > > minister,
> > > > > > din fonduri alocate de la bugetul de stat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amplasarea =C3=AEn teritoriu, delimitarea terenurilor necesare
> > > > > realiz=C4=83rii
> > > > > > investi=C5=A3iei precum =C5=9Fi aspectele
> arhitectural-urbanistice
> > > ale
> > > > > acesteia vor fi
> > > > > > stabilite pe baza documenta=C5=A3iilor de amenajare a
> teritoriului
> > > > =C5=9Fi
> > > > > de urbanism
> > > > > > elaborate, avizate =C5=9Fi aprobate conform legii.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obiectivul urm=C4=83rit de Ministerul Transporturilor prin
> > > promovarea
> > > > > acestui
> > > > > > proiect, av=C3=A2nd =C3=AEn vedere cre=C5=9Fterea anual=C4=83 a
> > > traficului
> > > > > aeroportuar, este de
> > > > > > a asigura un trafic aerian =C3=AEn condi=C5=A3ii de maxim=C4=83
> > > siguran=C5=A3=C4=83,
> > > > > inclusiv prin
> > > > > > crearea =C3=AEn avans a capacit=C4=83=C5=A3ii necesare din punc
t de
> > > vedere al
> > > > > > infrastructurii, =C3=AEn func=C5=A3ie de traficul previzionat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =9EO alt=C4=83 decizie luat=C4=83 ast=C4=83zi de
> > > primul-ministru =C5=9Fi membrii
> > > > > Cabinetului se
> > > > > > refer=C4=83 la desemnarea secretarului de stat din Ministerul
> > > > > Transporturilor,
> > > > > > Septimiu Buza=C5=9Fu, s=C4=83 urm=C4=83reasc=C4=83
> =C3=AEndeaproape
> > > stadiului
> > > > > principalelor lucr=C4=83ri
> > > > > > de construc=C5=A3ie =C5=9Fi modernizare a infrastructurii de
> > > transport.
> > > > > S=C4=83pt=C4=83m=C3=A2nal,
> > > > > > domnul secretar de stat, va avea =C3=AEnt=C3=A2lniri cu
> > > reprezentan=C5=A3i ai
> > > > > Ministerului
> > > > > > Mediului, Agriculturii, ai Institutului de Cadastru s=C4=83
> > > vad=C4=83
> > > > care
> > > > > sunt
> > > > > > eventualele probleme =C5=9Fi s=C4=83 g=C4=83seasc=C4=83
> > > solu=C5=A3ii urgente pentru
> > > > > dep=C4=83=C5=9Firea
> > > > > > acestora", a mai declarat purt=C4=83torul de cuv=C3=A2nt al
> > > Guvernului,
> > > > > Camelia
> > > > > > Sp=C4=83taru.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Informa=C5=A3ii de background
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Municipiul Bucure=C5=9Fti este deservit, =C3=AEn prezent, de
> > > dou=C4=83
> > > > > aeroporturi
> > > > > > interna=C5=A3ionale, respectiv Henri Coand=C4=83 =C5=9Fi Aurel
> > > Vlaicu, ambele
> > > > > clasificate
> > > > > > ca fiind de interes na=C5=A3ional =C5=9Fi av=C3=A2nd ca
> ac=C5=A3ionar
> > > majoritar
> > > > > statul rom=C3=A2n,
> > > > > > reprezentat de Ministerul Transporturilor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =C3=8En anul 2007, traficul de pasageri =C3=AEnregistrat a fost
> de:
> > > > > 4.037.683 pe
> > > > > > Aeroportul Henri Coand=C4=83 - cre=C5=9Ftere de 41% fa=C5=A3=C4
=83
> de
> > > anul 2006
> > > > =C5=9Fi
> > > > > 968.084 pe
> > > > > > Aeroportul Bucure=C5=9Fti B=C4=83neasa - cre=C5=9Ftere de 43%
> > > fa=C5=A3=C4=83 de anul
> > > > > 2006.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Din analizele =C5=9Fi previziunile de trafic efectuate de
> > > EUROCONTROL
> > > > > rezult=C4=83 c=C4=83,
> > > > > > pentru =C5=A3ara noastr=C4=83, =C3=AEn perioada 2008-2014,
> > > urmeaz=C4=83 s=C4=83 se
> > > > > =C3=AEnregistreze o
> > > > > > cre=C5=9Ftere medie anual=C4=83 a traficului aeroportuar de
> 6,9%,
> > > cu o
> > > > > rat=C4=83 de
> > > > > > cre=C5=9Ftere sensibil mai mare =C3=AEn zona municipiului
> > > Bucure=C5=9Fti.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guvernul Romaniei - Biroul de presa - 20.08.2008
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Stire oficiala - Bucurestiul va avea |
un n...
I don't know about the other lister's, however since I only understand
English these posts are meaningless to me.
In a message dated 8/27/2008 5:35:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
rblarry69(at)yahoo.com writes:
--- Ne oprim...corect fiindca nu are nicio legatura cu aviatia! Desi
la partea cu interpretarea ar fi mult mai mult de discutat. Ce am
scris era doar rezumatul unei discutii de aproape 5 ore
cu "parintelul" (un tip foarte simpatic, dealtfel). Am ajuns in final
sa admitem ca fiecare are dreptate. Solomonica judecata!
In _aviatia@yahoogroupsavia_ (mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com) ,
"lancer_two_,
wrote:
>
>
> rblarry69,
>
> Multumesc pentru confirmare. Nu exista o asemenea idee in Sfinta
> Scriptura, si nici in general in religia crestina.
>
> Dincolo de asta, chiar si interpretarea ta "Pe scurt:..." este
erronata.
> Cred ca oricine citeste pasajul citat de tine poate intelege:
>
> - din prima fraza propozitie: Cuvintul are greutate, e important, e
> incercat....
>
> - din a doua fraza: Cuvintul ii apara pe cei ce-l recunosc.
>
> - a trei fraza: Nu-L modifica/ rastalmaci.
>
> Nu este nimic legat de o credinta "orbeasca" ci numai un indemn de
a nu
> modifica.
>
> Zic totusi sa ne oprim aici. Aviatia incepe sa fie departe.
>
> Sorin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In _aviatia@yahoogroupsavia_ (mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com) ,
"rblarry69" wrote:
> >
> > ---
> > Corect! A fost spusa de Celsus prin secolul al II - lea! Dar am
fost
> > acu la popa (a se citi preot) si l-am intrebat de unde naiba
> > provine "credinta" asta? Din Vechiul Testament, in Pildele sau
> > Proverbele lui Solomon catre fiul sau David, sta scris: "Orice
cuvant
> > al lui Dumnezeu este incercat. El este un scut pentru cei ce se
> > incred in El. N-adauga nimic la spusele Lui, ca sa nu te
pedepseasca,
> > si sa nu fii gasit mincinos". Pe scurt, "crede si nu cerceta"!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In _aviatia@yahoogroupsavia_ (mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com) ,
"lancer_two_, "lancer_two_ > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > N-am putut sa citesc articolul "oficial" postat aici pe site din
> > motive
> > > de formatare. Nici timp nu am sa ma duc sa-l caut acum prin
presa.
> > Asa
> > > ca n-am nici o idee despre locatia acestui a/p acum cind scriu
> > aici. In
> > > trecut se vorbea de Vacaresti, mai recent de Adunatii-Copaceni.
Am
> > mai
> > > auzit parca Domnesti...
> > >
> > > Oricum, pe linga aeroport mai e nevoie de o intreaga
infrasctuctura
> > (cai
> > > de acces, ...etc). Si mai ales de a intelege ce vor utilizatorii
> > > aeroportului existent. Altfel si pe la case mai mari s-au
intimplat
> > > anomalii. Una din ele este in Montreal. Un aeroport de talie
> > > internationala este complet pustiu si deci neutilizat. Nimeni n-
a
> > prea
> > > vrut sa plece de pe aeroportul "vechi" desi s-a pretins ca are
unele
> > > probleme. Utilizatorii/ probleme. Utilizatorii/operatorii a
adica
> > de aia
> > > care conteaza.
> > >
> > > Cred ca cei ce ce vor da go-ahead pentru un nou a/p ar trebui sa
> > vada o
> > > fundamentare serioasa privitoare la necesitatea unui asemenea
efort
> > daca
> > > el se face din bani publici.
> > >
> > > In alta ordine de idei, rblarry, da-mi si mie o directie
(capitol ,
> > > verset, pagina, ) unde se gaseste citatul pe care il atribui tu
> > Sfintei
> > > Scripturi.
> > >
> > > Sorin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In _aviatia@yahoogroupsavia_ (mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com) ,
"rblarry69" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Pana si la Sfanta Scriptura scrie:"crede si nu cerceta"!
> > > > Daca "statul" considera ca-i necesar un nou aeroport, atunci
asa
> > e! N-
> > > > are nicio importanta ce si daca poate! Cum, la fel, nu-i deloc
> > > > relevant nici faptul ca niste terenuri vor trebui expropiate,
> > > > ridicandu-si, absolut intamplator, valoarea (niste "oameni"
> > devenind,
> > > > astfel, mai "putred" de bogati decat erau)!
> > > > Asa ca,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tot inainte, spre victoria finala!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In _aviatia@yahoogroupsavia_ (mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com) ,
"ioana_atc" ioana_atc@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ma indoiesc de capacitatea statului roman de a construi un
nou
> > > > > aeroport, atat timp cat nu e in stare sa termine reparatia
unei
> > > > > TREIMI a pistei 08L-26R de la Otopeni, de anul trecut din
> > > > mai...adica
> > > > > de 15 luni...
> > > > > extinderea a/p existente, sau, cel putin a Otopeniului - cu
> > toate
> > > > > problemele legate de exproprieri, etc -, ar fi mult mai
ieftina,
> > > > dar,
> > > > > ce stim noi, muritorii de rand??? parerea mea...
> > > > >
> > > > > toate bune!
> > > > > --- In _aviatia@yahoogroupsavia_ (mailto:aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com)
,
Ion wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Bucurestiul va avea un nou aeroport*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guvernul a aprobat construirea unui nou aeroport =C3=83=C2=AEn
zona
> > > > > municipiului
> > > > > > Bucure=C3=85=C5=B8ti, potrivit unei Hot=C3=84=C6=92r=C3=83=C2
=A2ri adoptate
> =C3=83=C2=AEn
> > > =C3=85=C5=B8edin=C3=85=C2=A3a de
> > > > > miercuri.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BEGuvernul a luat aceast=C3=84=C6=92 hot=C3
=84=C6=92r=C3=83=C2=A2re pentru
> a
> > > veni =C3=83=C2=AEn
> > > > > =C3=83=C2=AEnt=C3=83=C2=A2mpinarea nevoilor pe
> > > > > > care le are Capitala, ora=C3=85=C5=B8 aflat =C3=83=C2=AEn plin
=C3=84=C6=92
> > > dezvoltare. Acest
> > > > fapt
> > > > > se
> > > > > > manifest=C3=84=C6=92 inclusiv prin cre=C3=85=C5=B8terea conside
rabil=C3=84=C6=92
> a
> > > traficului
> > > > de
> > > > > pasageri
> > > > > > =C3=83=C2=AEnregistrat pe cele dou=C3=84=C6=92 aeroporturi deja
existente.
> > > Guvernul
> > > > =C3=85=C5=B8i
> > > > > > Primul-ministru consider=C3=84=C6=92 c=C3=84=C6=92 infrastructu
ra trebuie
> > > s=C3=84=C6=92 =C3=85=C2=A3in=C3=84=C6=92
> > > > > pasul cu aceste
> > > > > > realit=C3=84=C6=92=C3=85=C2=A3i, cu aceste evolu=C3=85=C2=A3ii,
pentru a putea
> facilita
> > > > tendin=C3=85=C2=A3a
> > > > > de
> > > > > > dezvoltare a Capitalei", a declarat purt=C3=84=C6=92torul de
> cuv=C3=83=C2=A2nt
> > > al
> > > > > Guvernului,
> > > > > > Camelia Sp=C3=84=C6=92taru.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Este vorba despre o lucrare prioritar=C3=84=C6=92 =C3=83=C2=AEn
completarea
> > > > > direc=C3=85=C2=A3iilor de
> > > > > > dezvoltare a infrastructurii de transport, prev=C3=84=C6=92zute
> =C3=83=C2=AEn
> > > anexa
> > > > nr.
> > > > > 7 la Legea
> > > > > > nr. 363/2006 privind aprobarea Planului de amenajare a
> > > > teritoriului
> > > > > na=C3=85=C2=A3ional
> > > > > > - Sec=C3=85=C2=A3iunea I Re=C3=85=C2=A3ele de transport.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Programul privind executarea lucr=C3=84=C6=92rilor aferente
> > > realiz=C3=84=C6=92rii
> > > > > noului aeroport
> > > > > > se va stabili pe baza unui studiu de fezabilitate elaborat
> > prin
> > > > > grija
> > > > > > Ministerului Transporturilor =C3=85=C5=B8i finan=C3=85=C2=A3at,
prin
> bugetul
> > > > aceluia=C3=85=C5=B8i
> > > > > minister,
> > > > > > din fonduri alocate de la bugetul de stat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amplasarea =C3=83=C2=AEn teritoriu, delimitarea terenurilor nec
esare
> > > > > realiz=C3=84=C6=92rii
> > > > > > investi=C3=85=C2=A3iei precum =C3=85=C5=B8i aspectele
> arhitectural- arhitectur
> > > ale
> > > > > acesteia vor fi
> > > > > > stabilite pe baza documenta=C3=85=C2=A3iilor de amenajare a
> teritoriului
> > > > =C3=85=C5=B8i
> > > > > de urbanism
> > > > > > elaborate, avizate =C3=85=C5=B8i aprobate conform legii.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obiectivul urm=C3=84=C6=92rit de Ministerul Transporturilor pri
n
> > > promovarea
> > > > > acestui
> > > > > > proiect, av=C3=83=C2=A2nd =C3=83=C2=AEn vedere cre=C3=85=C5=B8te
rea anual=C3=84=C6=92 a
> > > traficului
> > > > > aeroportuar, este de
> > > > > > a asigura un trafic aerian =C3=83=C2=AEn condi=C3=85=C2=A3ii de
maxim=C3=84=C6=92
> > > siguran=C3=85=C2=A3=C3=84=C6=92,
> > > > > inclusiv prin
> > > > > > crearea =C3=83=C2=AEn avans a capacit=C3=84=C6=92=C3=85=C2=A3ii
necesare din punct de
> > > vedere al
> > > > > > infrastructurii, =C3=83=C2=AEn func=C3=85=C2=A3ie de traficul p
revizionat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=BEO alt=C3=84=C6=92 decizie luat=C3=84=C6
=92 ast=C3=84=C6=92zi de
> > > primul-ministru =C3=85=C5=B8i membrii
> > > > > Cabinetului se
> > > > > > refer=C3=84=C6=92 la desemnarea secretarului de stat din Minist
erul
> > > > > Transporturilor,
> > > > > > Septimiu Buza=C3=85=C5=B8u, s=C3=84=C6=92 urm=C3=84=C6=92reasc
=C3=84=C6=92
> =C3=83=C2=AEndeaproape
> > > stadiului
> > > > > principalelor lucr=C3=84=C6=92ri
> > > > > > de construc=C3=85=C2=A3ie =C3=85=C5=B8i modernizare a infrastru
cturii de
> > > transport.
> > > > > S=C3=84=C6=92pt=C3=84=C6=92m=C3=83=C2=A2nal,
> > > > > > domnul secretar de stat, va avea =C3=83=C2=AEnt=C3=83=C2=A2lnir
i cu
> > > reprezentan=C3=85=C2=A3i ai
> > > > > Ministerului
> > > > > > Mediului, Agriculturii, ai Institutului de Cadastru s=C3=84
=C6=92
> > > vad=C3=84=C6=92
> > > > care
> > > > > sunt
> > > > > > eventualele probleme =C3=85=C5=B8i s=C3=84=C6=92 g=C3=84=C6=92s
easc=C3=84=C6=92
> > > solu=C3=85=C2=A3ii urgente pentru
> > > > > dep=C3=84=C6=92=C3=85=C5=B8irea
> > > > > > acestora", a mai declarat purt=C3=84=C6=92torul de cuv=C3=83
=C2=A2nt al
> > > Guvernului,
> > > > > Camelia
> > > > > > Sp=C3=84=C6=92taru.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Informa=C3=85=C2=A3ii de background
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Municipiul Bucure=C3=85=C5=B8ti este deservit, =C3=83=C2=AEn pr
ezent, de
> > > dou=C3=84=C6=92
> > > > > aeroporturi
> > > > > > interna=C3=85=C2=A3ionale, respectiv Henri Coand=C3=84=C6=92
=C3=85=C5=B8i Aurel
> > > Vlaicu, ambele
> > > > > clasificate
> > > > > > ca fiind de interes na=C3=85=C2=A3ional =C3=85=C5=B8i av=C3=83
=C2=A2nd ca
> ac=C3=85=C2=A3ionar
> > > majoritar
> > > > > statul rom=C3=83=C2=A2n,
> > > > > > reprezentat de Ministerul Transporturilor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =C3=83=C5=BDn anul 2007, traficul de pasageri =C3=83=C2=AEnregi
strat a fost
> de:
> > > > > 4.037.683 pe
> > > > > > Aeroportul Henri Coand=C3=84=C6=92 - cre=C3=85=C5=B8tere de 41%
fa=C3=85=C2=A3=C3=84=C6=92
> de
> > > anul 2006
> > > > =C3=85=C5=B8i
> > > > > 968.084 pe
> > > > > > Aeroportul Bucure=C3=85=C5=B8ti B=C3=84=C6=92neasa - cre=C3=85
=C5=B8tere de 43%
> > > fa=C3=85=C2=A3=C3=84=C6=92 de anul
> > > > > 2006.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Din analizele =C3=85=C5=B8i previziunile de trafic efectuate de
> > > EUROCONTROL
> > > > > rezult=C3=84=C6=92 c=C3=84=C6=92,
> > > > > > pentru =C3=85=C2=A3ara noastr=C3=84=C6=92, =C3=83=C2=AEn perioa
da 2008-2014,
> > > urmeaz=C3=84=C6=92 s=C3=84=C6=92 se
> > > > > =C3=83=C2=AEnregistreze o
> > > > > > cre=C3=85=C5=B8tere medie anual=C3=84=C6=92 a traficului aeropo
rtuar de
> 6,9%,
> > > cu o
> > > > > rat=C3=84=C6=92 de
> > > > > > cre=C3=85=C5=B8tere sensibil mai mare =C3=83=C2=AEn zona munici
piului
> > > Bucure=C3=85=C5=B8ti.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Guvernul Romaniei - Biroul de presa - 20.08.2008
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: New Airbus 380 |
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Si ce de borduri, de asfalt, de fier - beton si multe altele...
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, mihai nazare wrote:
>
> Felicitari D-na Ioana mie nu mi-a trecut prin cap.Intradevar
greu, dar si 380 e destul de greu.Cat beton trebuie oare pentru
pista ?
>
> Zan.
>
> ioana_atc <ioana_atc@...> wrote:
> abia acum am inteles de ce vrea guvernul sa construiasca
un nou
> aeroport in bucuresti!!!
>
> pentru New Airbus 380!!!
>
> greu, dar pana la urma am deslusit misterul :)
>
> --- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "Tiberiu Iosub"
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: pasageri romani |
--- Nu neaparat stateau in banca lor... dar chiar nu-ti face nicio
placere sa vezi ce "privire"dragastoasa ti-arunca "aborigenii" aceia
(indiferent de unde!) cand afla ca esti roman! Poate n-am calatorit
asa de mult ca altii, dar "pe dincolo" cand sunt intrebat de unde
provin, zic ca-s italian! Si doar niste macaronari de pe langa Napoli
pot dovedi ca nu-s!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Mihai Petrescu wrote:
>
> Pentru ca in acea excursie , in acel
> oras , a fost prima data in viata cand, intrebat fiind de unde
sunt ,am spus :
> din Cehia!
>
> Acum vreo 3 ani, in ziua nationala, un FM din Bucuresti a facut o
emisiune cu tema: "Esti mandru sa iti e rusine ca esti roman?" Pana
am iesit din raza de actiune a emitatorului am putu auzi vreo doua-
trei persoane rusinoase si doar una care era mandra de apatenenta la
poporul roman.
> Nu vreau sa par patriotard, dar eu cred ca cei care nu erau
rusinosi au preferat sa stea pe craca lor la o astfel de emisiune.
Ce, hotii si "jmekerii" sunt reprezentativi pentru Romania? Uitam ce
personalitati are poporul asta?
> In afara de asta: eu, ca educator, ma cred mai responsabil de coada
de la ghiseu despre care vorbesti decat escrocii de la conducerea
tarii. Dar nu numai educatorii sunt vonovati. De cate ori ati atras
atentia unui copil (nu mai zic de adult) care si-a aruncat ambalajul
de la "chipsuri" (scuzati barbarismul, asa se spune) pe trotuar? Si
ce reactie au avut ceilalti oameni de pe strada?
> Si mai am am un exemplu, Radu Cioponea stie la ce ma refer: ne
punem centura de siguranta cand ne urcam in masina? De ce nu?
> Mihai
>
> --- On Sat, 8/30/08, liciniu <intrarom@...> wrote:
> From: liciniu <intrarom@...>
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] pasageri romani
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 8:33 PM
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] pasageri romani |
Anul acesta, la noi in Denver a aterizat de urgenta o aeronava
JetBlue, care zbura spre Los Angeles. Motivul ? Un pasager si-a aprins
o tigara in timpul zborului si a continuat sa fumeze chiar si dupa ce
insotitoarea de zbor i-a spus sa stinga tigara. Urmarea, aeronava a
aterizat la Denver, a venit politia si l-a bagat la racoare pe
individul cu pricina.
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: pasageri romani |
Probabil ca ar trebui sa locuiti in strainatate si atunci nu v-ar mai
fi "rusine" ca sunteti romani. Si ce daca suntem romani si ce daca
avem conationali care ne fac de ras... astia sunt peste tot. Cei care
ne arunca priviri chiorase cand le spunem ca suntem romani, ori sunt
prost educati/informati ori... invers.
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: pasageri romani |
---Cat de mult mi-ar place sa pot scrie "la noi in Napoli...."!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "Sorin Tomescu" wrote:
>
> Anul acesta, la noi in Denver a aterizat de urgenta o aeronava
> JetBlue, care zbura spre Los Angeles. Motivul ? Un pasager si-a aprins
> o tigara in timpul zborului si a continuat sa fumeze chiar si dupa ce
> insotitoarea de zbor i-a spus sa stinga tigara. Urmarea, aeronava a
> aterizat la Denver, a venit politia si l-a bagat la racoare pe
> individul cu pricina.
>
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| From: | "Sorin Tomescu" <sorin.tomescu(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Orarul de iarna al Tarom |
Cunoasteti cumva vreo sursa de unde se poate obtine orarul pentru
iarna 2008 al Tarom ?
Multumesc
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| From: | "George P." <comosicus(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: tarife |
Salut,
O parere, fara sa fiu ULM-ist, prin analogie cu cazuri din alte
domenii intalnite de mine (tarife bancare excesive practicate in RO
in contradictie cu conventiile UE).
Cred ca ar fi bine, daca mai e timp, in petitie sa mentioneze ca
exemplu aceeasi taxa pentru acelasi tip de servicii in tarile UE si,
daca este posibil, facut o referire la recomandari ale unui organism
dedicat din UE (daca asa ceva exista si sper asta; problemele de
banci, de ex, sunt acoperite de protectia consumatorului din UE, care
intra pe fir dupa ce o petitie a fost respinsa de cei incriminati).
Aceste referinte adaugate (doua rinduri in plus la petitie) ii maresc
impactul psihologic si il ajuta pe competentul caruia ii este
dedicata (probabil cei care au stabilit nivelul acestei taxe sunt
absolut nevinovati in privinta documentarii) sa se simta in siguranta
in eventualitatea ca ar avea bunavointa sa sprijine sau dea curs
petitiei.
Succes!
George
--- In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, dragos stoicescu
<dragos1948stoicescu@...> wrote:
>
> Stimati colegi,
> Am trimis la MT si AACR materialul anexat. Nu e rau sa faceti la
fel. MAN-COAP refuza categoric sa discute cu particularii. Acum am
inchis telefonul cu ei. OVC sper BKN, Dragos
>
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: tarife !!! |
---
Exemplul cu deplasarea prin intersectie nu cred ca-i cel mai fericit
ales. Ca sa trec prin ea trebuie doar sa respect codul rutier si nu
trebuie sa cer vreo aprobare speciala "de undeva"! In caz contrar,
presupunand ca obtin autorizatia de a trece "pe rosu", cine ma
absolva de vina daca lovesc/sunt lovit de unu' care circula "pe
verde" (fara sa aiba vreo autorizatie speciala pentru asta)? Asa
ca "obiectia" de neconstitutionalitate ramane "in picioare"! Dupa cum
si ideea cu taxarea monopolului AR de catre Consiliul Concurentei
este tot atat de viabila!
Este parerea mea... si mai stiu un lucru de la oameni care "au
mancat" drept pe paine toata viata: un lucru care nu este interzis in
mod expres prin lege, inseamna ca este permis! Iar o lege nu poate
depasi in aplicarea ei drepturile consfintite/aparate de Constitutie
(Legea fundamentala a tarii, nu-i asa?)!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Daniel Schwartz wrote:
>
> Cu tot respectul Domnule Inspector Examinator,- unde in Constitutie
este garantata "deplasarea libera" cu avioane ULM. Am citit legea
fundamentale dar din editia mea aceasta liberate jur ca a lipsit. O
fi in Constituitie de la Strejnic.
> Sa stii ca si soselele si intersectiile fac parte tot din domeniul
public al statului si culoarea rosie a semaforului reprezinta o
interdictie de deplasare iar culoarea verde o aprobare. asa ca din
pacate argumentul de neconstitutionalitate in acest- caz este
ineficace
> -
> Eu cred ca aici s ar putea ataca altfel:
> -
> Natura contractului- dintre piloti si AR este una comerciala. In
acest caz AR este un comerciant- in raport cu pilotii. Ca si orice
alt comerciant si AR trebuie sa se supuna legilor concurentei. In
acest moment cota de piata al AR in piata "serviciciilor de trafic"
prestatate ULM-urilor este spre 100%. Organul care trebuie sa
constate acest lucru este Consiliul Concurentei. Sanctiunile acestui
organ sunt usturatoare (amenzile incep de la 100 000 euro).
> Trebuie atrasa atentia si asupra acestui fapt si sa se aibe in
vedere persoana care va raspunde pentru aplicarea sanctiunilor
Consiliului Concurentei.
> -
> In toata treaba aceasta curios este de ce tocmai un serviciu la a
carei realizare nu se consuma benzina s-a scumpit cel mei mult? (in
fundementarea actului normativ s-a pedalat mult pe scumpirea benzinei)
> -
> La fel de suspect mi se pare si faptul ca aeroclubul, de cateva
luni, nu mai incheie contracte de trafic asteptand noile tarife (iata
noile tarife!!!)
> -
> As dori sa aflu pozitia eroului libertatii ULM-istilor: a stiut dl
Girica ceea ce se pregateste sau nu? este de acord Dl comandant al
departamentului ULM cu aceste masuri sau nu? Daca nu, ce masuri a
luat?
> Are domnul Girica sacosa de rafie? Daca da sa-si ia sacosa si sa
plece din AR.
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> -
> -
> -
> -
>
> --- On Mon, 9/15/08, dragos stoicescu <dragos1948stoicescu@...>
wrote:
>
> From: dragos stoicescu <dragos1948stoicescu@...>
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] tarife !!!
> To: "grup piloti no"
> Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 2:15 PM
>
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> Salut Colegilor,
> Ma bucur ca cel putin la aceasta problema suntem la unison. As vrea
s-o prezint mai amanuntit sperand ca poate cineva dintre noi
o-sustine in diverse..... locuri.
> Despre planificare conf. HG 1172 / 2003 si anexele sale:
> -1.- Este constitutionala HG 1172 /2003 atata timp cat
conditioneaza deplasarea garantata liber de Constitutie( art.25)-de o
autorizare a MAN ( ei ii zic aprobare!!! )? Este ca si cum pt. a
circula cu masina am face o planificare la MAI !!!! Are dreptul MAN
sa aprobe sau nu deplasare in spatiul aerian definit ca propietate
publica de art.138 al Constitutiei? !!!
> 2.- Cum necum, coroborand art 5, 8, 19 din anexa 1, anexa 2 si
Procedura de Colaborare rezulta in mod clar ca aceasta planificare se
face direct la MAN de operatorii ULM !!! Pe gratis pt. ca MAN nu
percepe taxe !!! In toata legea se face vorbire de planificare-prin
intermediar numai pt.-AOA si aeronave inmatriculate !!! Insa
discutand cu MAN-COAP despre planificarea directa de fiecare operator
ULM la dansii-am-intampinat refuz-total in aplicarea ad literam a
legii !!! Nu vor si pace decat prin AR !!!
> 3.- Planificarea nu este un "serviciu catre terti" asa cum in mod
eronat este numit in proiectul de OMT. Este o evidenta a aeronavelor
care zboara la un moment dat ( cui o trebui nu stiu, sigur nu noua ),
gratuita conf. acestei legi ( nu se vorbeste nicaieri de tarif ),
> necesara probabil MAN-lui, lipsa planificarii sanctionata cu 7.500 -
10.000 RON.
> 4.- Intermediarul AR ( azi,-maine cine stie cine)-este impus pt
operatorii ULM-in mod ilegal prin refuzul categoric de a-planifica
direct de MAN, tocmai de cei care au facut legea !!!! In tot actul
legislativ si anexele sale AR nu este nici macar mentionat.
> Despre tariful coordonarii zborului pe aerodrom:
> 1. Marea majoritate a aerodroamelor AR sunt in spatiul de clasa G.
Nu exista nici o obligatie legala de a avea radio la bord in acest
spatiu.
> Aici apare o interpretate: AR ca administrator poate cere radio la
bord pt. o mai mare sigurata dar nu poate impune coordonare -pe-bani.
> 2.- In spatiul de clasa C radio este obligatoriu. Dar atentie!-
aici administratorul spatiului aerian respectiv este aeroportul pe
langa care este AR si nu AR.
> 3.- AR ca institutie bugetara creata conf. HG 567 / 1991 si HG
122/2003, art 2,-pt. practicarea sporturilor aeronautice de sportivi
se supune Lg. 69 / 2000, art 3-care prevede in mod expres practicarea
sportului aviatic definit-de Lg. 399 / 2005, art. 46(3)
gratuit !!!!!-Acesta este rolul sau definit legal.
> 4. Conf Lg. 213 / 1998, anexa1-pct. 25, aerodromurile sunt definite
ca domeniul public. Ca un parc, munte, sosea, mare, etc. Nu vad cum
poate interzice cineva-folosirea unui domeniu public in scopul pt.
care tocmai a fost creat?!!!
> In general vorbind-se face-confuzie (voita?) in proiectul de
OMT-intre seviciu catre terti( inchirieri, intertineri, hangarari,
etc )-si-cerintele-legiuitorului catre- institutiile sale-bugetar
e-(
MAN si AR ) de a ideplini o sarcina pentru care au fost create si
sunt platite.-Toata argumentarea din proiect in vederea acestor
tarife-este eronata(voita? ) deoarece activitatea-de planificare si
coordonarea-este deja platita de la buget. -
> Celor care vor participa la o eventuala? dezbatere oficiala-a
acestui proiect de OMT le sugerez sa mediteze la aceste apecte
legale. OVC, Dragos
> -
>
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Hotnews: "Cursele low cost vor fi transferate |
pe Aeroportul Otopeni, pe Baneasa"
---
Corect! Imobiliarele sa traiasca!!! La paranoicii aia de americani
(uneori le mai da si bin laden motiv) sunt ditamai megalopolisurile
cu aeroporturi in interior... si parca nu l-am auzit pa vreunul sa
urle de groaza ca-i este periclitata pretioasa viata! Nu-i mai putin
adevarat ca "aia" cu imobiliarele de p'acolo se afla in "suferinta"
(cronica) acum!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, "G. H." wrote:
>
> Stau si ma intreb, atunci, de ce au bagat fabuloasa suma de 75 de
milioane de euro in repararea pistei anul trecut?
> La fel cum ma intreb si de ce nu sunt in stare de un an si ceva sa
termine pista 08L/26R la OTP, dar au de gind in schimb sa faca un alt
aeroport in sudul orasului, in loc sa continuie dezvoltarea
Otopeniului asa cum se laudau acum citiva ani!
> Avind 2 piste, cu o investitie minima, Henri Coanda-Otopeni ar face
fata cu succes si traficului actual si celui prognozat peste 5-10 ani!
> In orase mult mai civilizate cu un trafic mai mult decit dublu la
Otopeni, exista cite un singur aeroport, cu cite 2 piste, care se
descurca de minune! Insa ei au infrastructura, sosele, parcari si
metrouri...
> Aici sunt insa alte interese! Ii doare pe ei undeva de traficul
aerian la Bucuresti! Imobiliarele sa traiasca!
> -
> Noi sa fim sanatosi!
> -
> G.
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> -
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Catalin C. Floroiu <catalin.floroiu@...> wrote:
>
> From: Catalin C. Floroiu <catalin.floroiu@...>
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Hotnews: "Cursele low cost vor fi transferate
pe Aeroportul Otopeni, pe Baneasa"
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 7:42 PM
>
> http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-4422772-cursele-low-cost-vor-
transferate-aeroportul-otopeni-baneasa-vor-opera-doar-curse-
business.htm
>
> Cursele low cost vor fi transferate pe Aeroportul Otopeni, pe
Baneasa
> se vor opera doar curse business
> de R.M. HotNews.ro | Joi, 18 septembrie 2008, 19:29
>
> Aeroportul Baneasa nu va putea sa supravietuiasca in actuala
locatie,
> crede premierul Calin Popescu Tariceanu. El i-a cerut joi
ministrului
> Transporturilor, Ludovic Orban, sa pregateasca masurile necesare
> pentru operarea curselor low-cost pe aeroportul Otopeni, urmand ca
> Baneasa sa deserveasca, pe viitor, societatea Romaero.
>
> "I-am cerut ministrului Transporturilor sa pregateasca deja masurile
> necesare pentru transformarea acestui aeroport intr-unul care sa
> serveasca intreprinderea Romaero, intreprindere de reparatii de
> material aviatic, si pentru zborurile de tip business, cu avioane
> mici, care nu provoaca poluare fonica", a declarat Tariceanu, la
> finalul sedintei de Guvern.
>
> "Operatorii low cost trebuie sa se pregateasca pentru aceasta
> schimbare de destinatie, care nu va prezenta niciun fel de
> incovenient", a spus primul ministru, adaugand ca aeroportul Baneasa
> nu dispune de capacitatea si de locurile de parcare necesare pentru
> astfel de zboruri.
>
> In opinia sa, aeroportul "a devenit un real pericol pentru
locuitorii
> din zona, este un aeroport care se regaseste in mijlocul orasului si
> exista anumite reglementari de prudenta care cer ca aeroporturile sa
> fie plasate in afara zonelor locuite".
>
> Intrebat daca va fi desfiintat aeroportul Baneasa, Tariceanu nu a
> oferit un raspuns clar, afirmand doar ca "nu exista o intentie
> conturata, dar cred ca, tinand cont de dezvoltarea Bucurestiului, nu
> va mai putea sa supravietuiasca un aeroport in oras". "Este o
> consecinta fireasca a dezvoltarii orasului", a adaugat premierul.
>
>
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Hotnews: "Cursele low cost vor fi transferate |
pe Aeroportul Otopeni, pe Baneasa"
---Are perfecta dreptate referitor la 'jungla" birocratiei si la cei
care o populeaza! Si sa te fereasca Dumnezeu sa nu respecti regulile
lor ca-ti trimit pe cap corpul de control, "dotat" cu bestii cu un IQ
infinit mai scazut decat al "animalutelor" care au facut regulile!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Liliana wrote:
>
> Nicidecum!
> -Nu la asta ma refeream. Ma refeream la faptul ca itele birocratiei
si prostiei se reflecta in lipsa de actiune in domeniul imbunatatirii
infrastructurii. Ma refer in principal la lipsa de interes care
dainuie de mai mult de 4 ani in ceea ce priveste--finalizarea-
lucrarilor la pista 08L/26R.
> -Din curiozitate celor ce au acces la aceste informatii le-as
recomanda sa vada ultimile NOTAM-uri emise de catre AIHCB .
> Facem multe sa stii! Strigam chiar de multe ori dar in pustiu....
Poti sa ai si mama IQ-ului dar cand te prinzi in hatisul birocratic
al "soriceilor de birou" care au n-au treaba inventeaza reguli si
regulamente fara sa stie macar cu ce se mananca feliuta asta de
paine, chiar nu mai ai iesire.
> -Situatia nu este dezastruoasa cum s-a inteles din primul meu mail,
dar este destul de greu sa lucrezi in perioada in care vremea oricand
poate deveni uricioasa- cu o pista si jumatate....
> -M-a infuriat comparatia prietenului meu de-o viata Dorin Ivascu
care ne compara cu Londra. Sa nu uitam ca acolo exista esalonari
clare, rute clare, piste intregi.... etc.
> In rest, veniti baieti ca e loc pentru toata aviatia planetei...
Facem noi pe dracu' in patru si veti fi in siguranta 100%
>
> -
> --LilianaGavriliu-Furnica-
> --------- ATC-TWR Operations --- http://360.yahoo
.com/hanuka60
>
> ________________________________
>
> -A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will
annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.
>
> -Aproape toti oamenii rezista nenorocirilor. Daca vrei sa testezi
cu adevarat caracterul unui om, da-i putere.
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tudor Popescu <design.php@...>
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 5:23:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Hotnews: "Cursele low cost vor fi
transferate pe Aeroportul Otopeni, pe Baneasa"
>
>
> Sa inteleg ca OTP e nesigur, are probleme si a devenit un loc incert
> din punct de vedere al sigurantei miscarii pe platfoma si al
aviatiei
> in general?
> In alta ordine de idei, voi aveti sindicat acolo in TWR?
> De ce nu faceti nimic? Sunteti persoane cu IQ mult peste medie, asa
ca
> refuz sa cred ca ganditi in locuri comune gen 'nu se poate face
> nimic', 'e inutil sa reclami ca tot nu se poate face nimic', etc.
>
> T.
>
> On 19/09/2008, Liliana <hanuka60@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Da, Dorine..... Dar Heathrow are infrastructura ceea ce noua ne
lipseste.
> > Capete "incoronate" sau "incornorate" cum vrei tu sa le spui
inventeaza proceduri locale care ne face viata mizerabila.. ...
> > As vrea sa mai veniti si voi prin TWR Otopeni sa vedeti haosul
care s-a creat si se creaza de acesti indivizi care se angajeaza pe
posturi caldute si inventeaza "monstri" (a se citi proceduri si
regulamente! )ce duc la dezastre.... .
> > Sa vezi nebunia de la orele de varf cu piloti indisciplinati care
taie convorbiri care nu asculta instructiunile. .... si nu ai cum sa
te iei de ei ca nu ai "unealta" pe care Heathrow- o are.
> > Ma intreb unde e Autoritatea acum????!!!! !
> > Sa mai continui?
> > Nu cred ca e cazul pentru ca marea majoritate a forumistilor stiu
mizeria de la Otopeni, o mizerie creata si alimentata cu multa
stiinta.
> > Circulatia pe platforma este reglementata de niste copii veniti
ieri de la scoala si azi sunt mari experti in ale aviatiei.... La
pista 08L/26R de 4 ani asteptam sa vedem un utilaj sau un muncitor
care sa faca ceva..... Dar nu se face nimic nimic!!!!
> > Din decembrie 2007 asteptam imbunatatirea conditiilor de munca la
nivel de trafic aerian (radar de suprafata, semaforizare intersectii,
etc. ) si nimic.... Se misca Ministerul greu!!!!!
> > As duce si 680 de milioane de pax. daca am avea infrastructura
necesara fluidizarii traficului si bun simt la nivelul celor cu
putere de decizie....
> > Asa ca rugati-va sa ne dea Dumnezeu putere sa trecem si de hopul
asta ca deh! asa e la noi! Face romanul ... bici si il face sa si
pocneasca... .!nu conteaza din ce!
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Steve Fossett N240R crash - pont of interest - anomoly |
| From: | "AirMike" <Mikeabel(at)Pacbell.net> |
In looking at the RGJ.com Reno Gazette photos of the Fossett crash it is interesting
to note that the back right cylinder (not sure of the number) seems to have
the cylinder head detached. I guess that the NTSB will have to determine if
the separation is pre or post crash.
The crash site is approx at the halfway point of a line drawn between Thousand
Island lake and Devils Postpile. It is just a few hundred feet off the old trail
to the Minaret Mine.
Interesting that the area was flown over 19 times after the crash occurred by the
CAP.
Also it is a fairly well traveled area and there was apparently a small post crash
fire. I have long suspected that Fossett crashed in the Sierras rather than
in rural Nevada. Amazing that it took so long to find the crash site and that
nobody observed him flying low that day or saw the small post crash fire.
Fossett was a great sportsman in the spirit of Messner, Hillary and a hundred others
who pushed the human envelope. Just a month earlier he had a marvelous talk
at OSH where he related how he had broken the all time soaring record for
absolute altitude in a glider over the Andes (50,727 ft). He was working with
a team in Reno on the land speed record when he died. Steve held over 60 world
records at the time of his death.
An amazing guy or look up on wikopedia - we will miss you Steve
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7712#207712
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Fossett N240R crash - pont of interest - anomoly |
| From: | "Mitch Hodges" <n601mh(at)hodges.info> |
AirMike wrote:
> ...He was working with a team in Reno on the land speed record when he died.
Steve held over 60 world records at the time of his death....
I think he was living the life many of dream of living, he will definitely be missed.
I was reminded of this tragedy again only about 3 or 4 weeks ago when there was
a small unassuming ad in the classified section of Autoweek magazine offering
the "Steve Fossett World Record Attempt Landspeed Car" for sale. For those that
don't know, last year Fossett had purchased the "Spirit of America" car Craig
Breedlove used in 1997 to attempt to break the sound barrier on land, only
to be bested by the ThrustSSC team from Britain. It has been reported Fossett
was looking at sites for the record attempt run on his final flight.
--------
Mitch Hodges
N601MH (Zenith 601HDS)
Builder Log at http://www.hodges.aero
Wings Under Perpetual Construction
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7758#207758
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| From: | "rblarry69" <rblarry69(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Administrativ | Despre recentele mesaje |
de pe forum
---Ideea de anonimat in general imi repugna! Aduce aminte de acel
faimos :"Daca-i anonima, o semnez si eu!" Se poate foarte simplu
verifica "existenta" persoanei de la"capatul celalalt al...undei": il
pui sa aeaseze o foto la datele pe care i le ceri si validezi
inscrierea dupa ce verifici "mutra" cu o imagine "live" de pe webcam!
Multe site-uri fac asta. Macar stii astfel cine te injura!
In rest, moderatorul are tot dreptul sa impuna ce reguli doreste, ca
de aceea e moderator! Te-ai inscris de buna voie in organizatie -
citind regulile impuse!-, nu te-a obligat nimeni! Iar in momentul in
care regulile se schimba ( singurele lucruri neschimbate,deocamdata,
pe planeta asta sunt impozitele si moartea), daca nu esti de acord cu
schimbarea, te retragi si gata! Nu te tine nimeni cu forta!
Intotdeauna... it's your choice!
PS
scuze ca raspund asa de tarziu dar avusei enorm de mult de lucru si n-
am mai apucat sa citesc nimic de pe mail. Acum... I'm back!
In aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com, Radu Cioponea wrote:
>
> O parere, si incerc s-o formulez scurt si la obiect.
>
> Nu mi se pare ca Aviatia.ro ar trebui sa fie echivalent cu piata
publica. Nu e o institutie publica. E o initiativa individuala la
care restul de 1000+ insi am aderat. Evident ca traieste prin noi si
pt noi, dar eu unul prefer sa ramina "elitista" si mai putin
populara, decit sa se transforme in sindicat, partid sau mai rau,
mahala.
>
> Din punctul meu de vedere acuzatiile la care faci referire nu
merita atentia. Cui nu-i convine poate sa-si faca propria lista si sa
injure cit vrea. Cit despre complicitate... e hilar, nu mi-am dat
seama ca sint membru pe lista procuraturii.
>
> Eu consider ca simpla moderare a mesajelor e suficienta. E
regretabil ca unul din moderatori s-a retras, sper ca cei ramasi sa
faca fata. O protectie mai mult decit atit... nu stiu cit e de
realist. Anonimatul nu poate fi eliminat, cum verifici ca cineva si-a
dat propriul nume? Repet, nu ne trebuie decit decenta si putem
continua foarte bine.
>
> Sper ca standardul pe care-l stiu de citiva ani sa continue si cele
citeva derapaje recente sa se stearga rapid.
>
> R
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Catalin C. Floroiu <catalin.floroiu@...>
> To: aviatia(at)yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 3 October, 2008 5:15:20
> Subject: [Aviatia.ro] Administrativ | Despre recentele mesaje de pe
forum
>
>
> Good question, and long story...atunci cand a aparut Aviatia.ro in
anul 2000, iar in Romania lumea abia incepea sa isi imagineze ce
inseamna o aviatie generala moderna, am pornit fara ezitare de la
premiza ca aviatia reprezinta un domeniu de elita, profesat de oameni
de elita. In timp, ipoteza s-a dovedit gresita, iar degradarea
accentuata a societatii romanesti se reflecta tot mai mult si in
mediul de aviatie. Ani la rand am moderat si blocat mesajele violente
d.p.d.v. verbal,
> de atac la persoana, am facut apeluri repetate la un comportament
civilizat pe masura profesiei celor care le publica. Am fost acuzat
deseori in mesaje private ca dovedesc subiectivitate in favoarea unei
anumite tabere sau persoane in detrimentul altora, ca prin moderare
sunt complice de la distanta la acte de coruptie ale unor organizatii
de stat, ca inchid ochii la furtul benzinei de pe aerodromuri, la
orele de zbor fictive, la actele de nepotism, ca refuz dreptul la
replica etc.
>
> Am sugerat mereu ca toate aceste probleme nu pot fi rezolvate prin
conflicte mitocanesti si barfe anonime derizorii, ci prin dialog
deschis si mai ales prin crearea unor asociatii profesionale
puternice, conduse de oameni educati, si cu multa pasiune pentru
zbor. Dupa aproape 20 de ani de libertate de manifestare, aviatia din
Romania este foarte departe de cuvantul =9Celita=9D, si de mult
e ori
chiar de conceptul de =9Cbun simt=9D.
>
> Nu ascund faptul ca in cei opt ani de existenta, am fost tentat
odata sau de doua ori sa desfiintez aceasta comunitate, pentru
simplul fapt ca, tot mai mult, ea se indeparteaza de ceea ce a
devenit societatea romaneasca. Aviatia.ro
> s-a raportat la standardele comunitatilor de aviatie din tarile
occidentale, fata de care cea romaneasca se afla la ani-lumina ca
mentalitate. Poate si faptul ca aceasta comunitate s-a bazat initial
pe multi romani care traiesc in afara granitelor si nu s-a nascut in
Romania, este semnificativ.
>
> Am urmarit recentele discutii de pe forum cu un sentiment neplacut
de deja-vu. Nu am intervenit ca moderator si am dat =9Cliber=9D
la
mesajele controversate recente in contextul in care am avut senzatia
ca Aviatia.ro tinde poate sa devina un =9Cturn de fildes=9D, de
sprins
de realitatile din =9Cteren=9D,
> de problemele zilnice ale membrilor ei, fie ei doctori docenti sau
manelisti, buticari sau manageri de multinationale. La modul practic,
daca exista o masa critica de tabere adverse care se afla in
permanent conflict si care afecteaza in bine sau rau viitorul
aviatiei generale romanesti, este o utopie sa credem ca ignorand
acest lucruri, ele dispar de la sine sau ca nu ne afecteaza.
>
> Am vrut sa dau o sansa tuturor partilor implicate sa isi exprime
punctele de vedere odatapentru totdeauna, fara =9Ccenzura=9D si
sper
ca rufele respective s-au spalat suficient. Daca nu, le sugerez
participantilor sa isi cumpere haine noi, pentru ca de acum voi
elimina de pe lista orice mesaj murdar, fara nici un fel de
avertizare prealabila.
>
> In final, am rugamintea sa va exprimati parerea despre ceea ce
credeti ca ar trebui sa fie pastrat sau schimbat in modul in care
existam ca o comunitate de aviatie, pentru viitor (i.e. nu mai
acceptam anonimatul mesajelor, etc?) Si mai ales cum echilibram
reprezentativitatea acestui comunitati d.p.d.v. al evenimentelor care
au
> loc in lumea reala, cu ceea ce consideram majoritatea membrilor cu
vechime ca fiind principiile cu care am pornit la drum acum opt ani.
>
> In definitiv,
> Aviatia.ro va apartine, la fel si decizia.
>
> Multumesc.
>
> Catalin Floroiu
>
> From:aviatia@yahoogroups .com [mailto:aviatia@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of lancer_two_one
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008
> 8:49 PM
> To: aviatia@yahoogroups .com
> Subject: Re: [Aviatia.ro] Felcitari pentru programul formatiei de
xtra 300
>
> Catalin (F) nu stiu de ce asemenea mesaje (sa zicem frumos "cu
saminta de gilceava") au trebuit sa apara pe forum.
>
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| Subject: | BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
| From: | "BrightLine" <info(at)brightlinebags.com> |
Hello Everyone,
My name is Bryan Smith and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags. I do not want to offend anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the demo video http://brightlinebags.ipower.com/videopage.html, you will be impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. If you have any questions, you can contact me directly at bryan@brightlinebags.com. Thanks again!
Bryan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210554#210554
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| From: | "catalin_petrisor7" <catalin_petrisor7(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Un mic ajutor!! |
Am nevoie de un mic ajutor si aici am considerat ca il pot gasi: sunt
student si vreau sa devin pilot. Ma intereseaza care dintre cele 2
sectii o sa imi fie mai de folos: Structuri de Avioane sau
Echipamente de Bord si Navigatie pentru Avioane.
Va multumesc si imi cer scuze de deranj
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| From: | petrisor catalin <catalin_petrisor7(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Aviatia.ro] Re: Un mic ajutor!! |
Da, sunt la Facultatea de Inginerie in Constructii Aerospatiale din
Bucuresti si la trecerea din anu lI in anul III se formeaza- 4 sectii:
Sisteme de Propulsie , Structuri de Avioane, Echipamente de Bord si
Navigatie , Management Aeronautic.
Stiu ca nu voi iesi pilot de la aceasta Facultate dar ma interesa ce
imi poate fi mai util sa invat daca vreau sa urmez cursurile Academiei
Superioare de Aviatie pentru a deveni pilot civil. Eu am postat cu
intentia de a afla un sfat de la oameni care activeaza in domeniu.
Dealtfel singuri oameni de la care pot afla o parere clara la ce ma
asteapta si ce e mai bine sa stiu.-
Va multumesc mult tuturor celor care m-au ajutat!!
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contribution Site URL Clarification |
Dear Listers,
In my List Fund Raiser kickoff email last night, I mistyped the URL for the *initial*
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
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| From: | Zoe Adjonyoh <zadjonyoh(at)airsports.tv> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/09/08 |
Hi guys,
Hope you don't mind me posting this on the list but we've got a great
preview of the Reno Air Race 2008 event up on the website. There's
some clips from the September Fury cockpit cam included in this too,
including the "pass", thought some of you might be interested:
Here's the link:
http://www.airsports.tv/default.asp...ctid=1904770060
Best,
Airsports team
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms
of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Members Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
November is the Annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are supported solely
through your generous Contributions during this time. Please make your Contribution
today and pick up a really nice free gift at this same time:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Listers have been including some really nice comments regarding what the Lists
mean to them along with their Contributions this year. I've included a few of
them below. Please read them over and see if some perhaps echo your feelings
as well.
Thank you for your support this year!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is
currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that everyone
is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-)
Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to
support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to
have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and
I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | urgently buy parts |
I urgently buy cooling turbine 586110-7, anybody who have pls contact me by email
: tanyanfang(at)fy-ic.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215463#215463
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| Subject: | we urgently buy parts |
we urgently need cooling turbine 586110-7, anybody who have pls contact me by email:
tanyanfang(at)fy-ic.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215465#215465
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out. Isn't the
List worth at least that much to you?
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | "Teodor Pantea" <panteateodor(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | [Aviatia.ro] Doamn-ajuta ! |
... Io mis, din Tg.Mures, am brevet... am ULM,
(nu mai am, l-am vindut, nu demult, da iau io altu,
n-ai-frica... numa sa vina primavara... ), ma trag de
la haia cu parapante... unde eram printre cei mai
batrini, poate... nici pe la ULM-isti nu-s printre cei tineri...
si am ramas cu "scurta" de a ceti "cercurile de discutii" ?
si de la ROFREEFLY si de la AVIATIA... .RO, dupa principiul...
tat ce zboara se maninca... (se maninca intre ei... nu... ?!),
...multe atitudini, idei... de pe la enterneturi cetine... nu-mi
plac... da asa este... da cetesc tot si incerc cum sa fac
un lucru, sau altu... sau cum sa nu-l fac... invat din gresalile
altora... nu ?... mare-i gredina lu Dumnezo nu ?
- inteleg ca aice nu se scrie despre chestii dale de comerturi...
ca hal de Daniel Mateiu din Tirgoviste... care cu jaca de Irvin,
de aviatie... tulbura aici listasiii.... onorabili...
(si io care era sa "bag" aici, anunt, ca am desponibil rotax 582
la 94 de ceasuri... dala cu cap nieru... luat dupa 99 adeca, amu
un an de zile, aista mi-o rama nicut vreu unu mai mare...)
... vreu numa sa zic ca io nu cistig, defel, banii cu avionu, nu...
numa cu aviunu-i cheltui... daia zic ca pe mine nu ma intereseaza
defel, aprobari, derogari, omologari... de tras benere, dus pasageri,
facut alte dalea... din ceruri ... adeca fotografiii... adeca zis chipuri...
da de ce nu au altii voie daca tot vor... sa zboare... a sa nu cumva
sa cistige macar ceva bani ?... (poate prindre ULM-uri mai zboara si
vre-o capra... de-a vecinului)... foarte bine... vasazica sa sa taie tat...
...si asta sa fie eterzis cu desavirsire...
...bine ar fi sa se faca cit mai multe legi... dalea cu ULM-uri,
paramotoare...
salte zburatoare... sa-i inchedice pe tati sa mai aibe chef de zburat...
sa traiasca numa hai de pa la berouri... care au scaune si le pazasc bine...
...........sa zbor numa io..... daca io cumpar avion si nu-l pot inmatricula
omologat... aici acasa, ca YR, apoi il las asa ca-n tara lui de origine...
sa-l cheme cum
l-o chema... I, de la India sau D, sau F, sau macar cum... ce-mi pasa...
daca la noi nu se poate, si nu se poate, se poate in alte tari... ca dara
sintem
in EUROPA... si aia-i valabil si la noi nu ?
........ si daca n-as avea brevet, (cum am)... ca la noi ii foarte greu de
capatat...
asa ceva... sau oricum cel mai greu... din tata Europa... apoi ma duc in
Europa,
si-mi fac acolo tidula... daia de... brevet, adeca de zburat, adeca de
umblat pe cer...
nu ?, ma duc prin vecini... na... si cind viu io acasa zic = nam tudam
romanul...
nu de alta da io-s roman nu ?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................
... si cind oi ave avion imatriculat in Europa, (citeste in vecini -
Italia), si cind oi ave brevet
din Europa, (ceteste in vecini - Hungaria), oi zbura in Romania, (ceteste
acasa), oi fi
mindru ca-s romain... oi deschide zborul, au ba... la Aeroclub, la armata ?,
ori numa la Dumnezo... haiduceste..., (daca no-i ave alt modru)... oi plati,
au ba, tat felu de taxe,
asa ca sa moara capra vecinului... sa moara chiar si vecinu... au ba ?...
...amu ma rog de "maria sa" moderatoru... (moderatorii... am inteles ca aici
sint,
multi moderatori, multi sefi, poate mai multi decit haia care scriu aici)...
sa ma
ierte si sa nu ma cenzureze... si ma dezic de tat adevaru zis de de unu sau
altu...
cu vreutu sau cu nevrutu... de voie sau de nevoie... sau din interes...
na... poate din
dragoste de zbor... de aviatie... mai greseste omu... iarta moderatorule
draga... precum
iertam si noi gresitilor nostrii... ca si Dumnezo mai iarta... au ba ?
...io nu-s ca hal de Kiss Laszlo, sau Szas Ferentz, sau nu mai stiu io
care... io nu-i
am treaba, numa decat sa fiu cap plecat... (capu plecat sabia nu-l taie...
), numa moderatorul... io nu am treaba cu nu stiu io care, hal de are
"Prune-n gura"... io tat ce vreu sa pup, pe careva, undeva, io votez
democratic... tatdeauna numa cu sefu... ala care se vre sef... si se tine cu
o mina de scaun si cu alta se... scarpina... undeva... unde nu zic... sa nu
fiu cenzurat-spinzurat si io...
Cu drag Teo.
Pantea Teodor
0730-595959
0744-612345
0265-312657
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are
some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's
plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps
the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling!
If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take
a minute right now to make your personal Contribution?
Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today! |
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser.
Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and
make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!
Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by sending your personal check to:
Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
(Please write your email address on the check!)
Thank you in advance for your support of these List services!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Have Been Saying |
Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been
using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists. Thank
you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and see
if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the
Lists to you...
There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're
still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last minute
to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and pick
up a great gift at the same time!
By Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or By Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you in advance!!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their
personal Contributions this year...
Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has
saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by
helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with
low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to
the typical head scratchers that you run into.
Kevin H
Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet!
George A
Please accept this token not as an indicator of what
this list has been worth to me this past year.
Lew G
Great information and entertainment.
Tim V
Thanks again for another great year of service. This
project would be beyond me if it were not for the list.
Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their
weight in GOLD!
Robert B
Great support you provide to all the subscribers!
Freddie H
Read it every day.
PF B
Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics
Lists! Your services are head and shoulders above the
rest.
James M
Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community".
Bill T
Thanks, Matt, for a great service! I've been monitoring
and using the lists since 1999.
Richard D
Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and
effort you put into it.
John R
A great service year after year.
John D
..another year of fantastic service.
Jerry B
This list is a great resource.
Arden A
Great list.
James M
Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS.
John S
January 12, 2006 - November 30, 2008
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