Avionics-Archive.digest.vol-ar
January 05, 2014 - July 19, 2016
depends on how you plan to use it.
Kelly
On 1/5/2014 3:34 PM, spcialeffects wrote:
>
> Hi all, haven't posted in this section before but am after some advice from some
of you experienced people. I'm building a Europa aircraft and have started
thinking about my panel. I am going to get a dynon 10" screen instead of the
old 6 pack and was thinking about getting another 7"dynon screen for the sat nav.
I am also fitting auto pilot both pitch and roll. What i want to know is 1-
has anyone used the dynon sat nav system and is it any good and 2- if the dynon
system is not recommended what other GPS would work with the 10" dynon and
auto pilot system i am fitting? Thanks to all Frank
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416610#416610
>
>
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| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
That is a drawback for the Dynons, they will not interface with other autopilots.
Tim
> On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure what your criteria are for your GPS. I have a dual Dynon instrument
panel installed, complete with the Dynon VFR GPS receiver.
> It picks up satellites any time my hangar door is open providing a view of some
of the sky. I don't know what you mean by "any good".
> I also have the Dynon Skyview autopilot installed. You do not need a second screen
for the moving map, although more screen space available does allow for
a bigger picture. Other EFIS will not work with the Dynon. While the servos are
physically interchangeable with some others, like Trutrack, they are different
electronically. I'm a ways from first flight, so I can't tell you how well
they work in the air.
> You don't say if you are planning for VFR use, IFR use. What you need depends
on how you plan to use it.
> Kelly
>> On 1/5/2014 3:34 PM, spcialeffects wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, haven't posted in this section before but am after some advice from
some of you experienced people. I'm building a Europa aircraft and have started
thinking about my panel. I am going to get a dynon 10" screen instead of the
old 6 pack and was thinking about getting another 7"dynon screen for the sat
nav. I am also fitting auto pilot both pitch and roll. What i want to know is
1- has anyone used the dynon sat nav system and is it any good and 2- if the dynon
system is not recommended what other GPS would work with the 10" dynon and
auto pilot system i am fitting? Thanks to all Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416610#416610
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
It is also a positive......substantially less money than other autopilots.
On 1/5/2014 9:24 PM, Tim Andres wrote:
>
> That is a drawback for the Dynons, they will not interface with other autopilots.
> Tim
>
>> On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what your criteria are for your GPS. I have a dual Dynon instrument
panel installed, complete with the Dynon VFR GPS receiver.
>> It picks up satellites any time my hangar door is open providing a view of some
of the sky. I don't know what you mean by "any good".
>> I also have the Dynon Skyview autopilot installed. You do not need a second
screen for the moving map, although more screen space available does allow for
a bigger picture. Other EFIS will not work with the Dynon. While the servos are
physically interchangeable with some others, like Trutrack, they are different
electronically. I'm a ways from first flight, so I can't tell you how well
they work in the air.
>> You don't say if you are planning for VFR use, IFR use. What you need depends
on how you plan to use it.
>> Kelly
>>> On 1/5/2014 3:34 PM, spcialeffects wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, haven't posted in this section before but am after some advice from
some of you experienced people. I'm building a Europa aircraft and have started
thinking about my panel. I am going to get a dynon 10" screen instead of the
old 6 pack and was thinking about getting another 7"dynon screen for the sat
nav. I am also fitting auto pilot both pitch and roll. What i want to know is
1- has anyone used the dynon sat nav system and is it any good and 2- if the
dynon system is not recommended what other GPS would work with the 10" dynon and
auto pilot system i am fitting? Thanks to all Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416610#416610
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> |
So i will be using the set up for VFR. I have 2x dynon SV32 servo's for the auto
pilot. What i want to know really is....what is the dynon GPS moving map like
to use/fly with OR is there another GPS unit which is better than the dynon
i.e map wise, graphics wise,info wise ect. I like the look of the air box 3 but
i cant connect that to my auto pilot system can i?.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416634#416634
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
The Dynon will accept input from any GPS with standard aviation or NEMA
output. It can handle something like 5 GPS inputs, in priority that you set.
As for the quality of the moving map, I've only seen it in a stationary
view, so far. However, it looks as sharp and detailed as any other
moving map I've seen.
You also can supplement whatever you install with an Ipad or mini-Ipad
to have a different moving map or chart reference to what is in your panel.
The menu/button selection on the Dynon seems fine to me, but again, I
have not flown with it, only operating and making selection with the
display powered up on the ground. All EFIS will have a learning curve.
Some are more feature rich than others. So far the Dynon appears to be
the most cost effective. Garmin has lowered the price of their G3X
system to compete. However, you have to consider price of updating the
data. Dynon charges a one time fee for moving map and synthetic vision,
then the data updates are free. Garmin updates are generally quite
expensive. When they get some competition, that may change.
On 1/6/2014 3:16 AM, spcialeffects wrote:
>
> So i will be using the set up for VFR. I have 2x dynon SV32 servo's for the auto
pilot. What i want to know really is....what is the dynon GPS moving map like
to use/fly with OR is there another GPS unit which is better than the dynon
i.e map wise, graphics wise,info wise ect. I like the look of the air box 3
but i cant connect that to my auto pilot system can i?.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416634#416634
>
>
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| Subject: | Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
| From: | "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> |
Iv done some reading on this unit and just want to get peoples opinions on it instead
of the normal fuses and MCB's OR if anyones using this in their set up
whats it like? Many thanks Frank
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416794#416794
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| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
I have the VP-X Pro in my all-electric Glasair SII-RG, and I'm very
happy with it. The documentation is clear and complete. The phone
support was quick and right on target the few times I had questions. The
installation went well, and the unit has worked flawlessly since the
first power up. It integrates perfectly with my AFS EFIS and also works
with Dynon and Grand Rapids. Maybe others?
John Grosse
> spcialeffects
> January 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM
>
>
> Iv done some reading on this unit and just want to get peoples
> opinions on it instead of the normal fuses and MCB's OR if anyones
> using this in their set up whats it like? Many thanks Frank
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416794#416794
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
At 11:11 AM 1/11/2014 Saturday, you wrote:
>
>Iv done some reading on this unit and just want to get peoples opinions on it
instead of the normal fuses and MCB's OR if anyones using this in their set up
whats it like? Many thanks Frank
Frank,
I have a Vertical Power VP-200 system installed in both my RV-8 and RV-6 and highly
recommend it. I have close to 400 flying hours across the two systems and
have never had a single problem. Very high quality throughout.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
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| From: | Jeff Luckey <jluckey(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
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=0A would I want a software-controlled circuit breaker when I can just buy
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ision-making process.=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From:
spcialeffects =0ATo: avionics-list(at)matronics.com =0A
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:11 AM=0ASubject: Avionics-List: Vertica
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===
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| From: | John Grosse <grosseair(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
Well, it's really the same reason I got rid of the black rotary phone
hanging on the kitchen wall in favor of a smart phone in my pocket, and
don't still run Windows 3.1 on an IBM 286. The features and advantages
of the VP system are all on their website if you're the least bit
interested. There's no point in listed that information here since the
original poster already has that information, and was asking for
feedback from builders using the VP system. From my personal experience
the VP-X has delivered on all the advertised promises. I realize that
it's more expensive than a bunch of 25 cent fuses or a panel full of
1940's technology CB's but neither "cheap" nor "old and bulky" were
among my criteria so I rejected those alternatives. I'm very satisfied
with the VP-X and would buy another if I was building another airplane.
John Grosse
> Jeff Luckey
> January 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM
> When I hear about VP, I find myself asking questions like:
>
> 1. Why would I want a software-controlled circuit breaker when I can
> just buy a good old circuit breaker < $10 (or a 25 cent fuse). It
> seems as though the complexity far out weighs any other benefit.
>
> 2. Single Point of Failure?
>
> 3. It seems expensive when compared to alternatives
>
> I realize that VP systems provide additional functionality in addition
> to power distribution, but much of that is easy to get otherwise.
>
> It would be great if some of you VP owners would run us thru your
> decision-making process.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* spcialeffects
> *To:* avionics-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:11 AM
> *Subject:* Avionics-List: Vertical Power VP-X Sport
>
> >
>
> Iv done some reading on this unit and just want to get peoples
> opinions on it instead of the normal fuses and MCB's OR if anyones
> using this in their set up whats it like? Many thanks Frank
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewthe Builder's Bookstore
> www.homebuilthelpnbsp; * Race Consulting
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
| From: | Larry Bowen <larry(at)bowenaero.com> |
I have a VPX Pro in my RV-7 project. I studied it for a long time before
committing. I like it and have no regrets so far.
On Saturday, January 11, 2014, John Grosse wrote:
>
>
> Well, it's really the same reason I got rid of the black rotary phone
> hanging on the kitchen wall in favor of a smart phone in my pocket, and
> don't still run Windows 3.1 on an IBM 286. The features and advantages of
> the VP system are all on their website if you're the least bit interested.
> There's no point in listed that information here since the original poster
> already has that information, and was asking for feedback from builders
> using the VP system. From my personal experience the VP-X has delivered on
> all the advertised promises. I realize that it's more expensive than a
> bunch of 25 cent fuses or a panel full of 1940's technology CB's but
> neither "cheap" nor "old and bulky" were among my criteria so I rejected
> those alternatives. I'm very satisfied with the VP-X and would buy another
> if I was building another airplane.
>
> John Grosse
>
>> Jeff Luckey
>> January 11, 2014 at 3:07 PM
>> When I hear about VP, I find myself asking questions like:
>>
>> 1. Why would I want a software-controlled circuit breaker when I can
>> just buy a good old circuit breaker < $10 (or a 25 cent fuse). It seems as
>> though the complexity far out weighs any other benefit.
>>
>> 2. Single Point of Failure?
>>
>> 3. It seems expensive when compared to alternatives
>>
>> I realize that VP systems provide additional functionality in addition to
>> power distribution, but much of that is easy to get otherwise.
>>
>> It would be great if some of you VP owners would run us thru your
>> decision-making process.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* spcialeffects
>> *To:* avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:11 AM
>> *Subject:* Avionics-List: Vertical Power VP-X Sport
>>
>> spcialeffects(at)aol.com >
>>
>> Iv done some reading on this unit and just want to get peoples opinions
>> on it instead of the normal fuses and MCB's OR if anyones using this in
>> their set up whats it like? Many thanks Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewthe Builder's Bookstore
>> www.homebuilthelpnbsp; * Race Consulting <http://www.mrrace.comnbsp;+%
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>
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Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power VP-X Sport |
With the VPX I don't have to devote any panel space to breakers, fuses,
etc. For items that have dedicated switch, there is also a software
backup method to turning items on or off. I can custom tailor the actual
breaker value for each circuit, not locked to circuit breaker values
manufacturer chooses.
Not to mention the need to individually wire each circuit breaker and
label it for individual breakers. I sold the breakers that came with my
RV-10 kit for around $200, so they aren't exactly cheap.
On 1/11/2014 5:47 PM, Larry Bowen wrote:
> I have a VPX Pro in my RV-7 project. I studied it for a long time
> before committing. I like it and have no regrets so far.
>
>
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| Subject: | Tuning dipole aerial |
| From: | "fireflier" <fireflier(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi
I'm looking for some help with regards tuning in my dipole aerial as i seem to
have a slight problem.
I Have everything connected up to my swr meter and got the following readings at
the start
118.000 1.2
127.350 2.7
136.975 3.1
I have been trimming the copper tape of the dipole and the lower frequency swr
reading has increased and the mid frequency has decreased however there has been
no real effect on the hight frequency as this is still at a swr of 3.
I now have the copper tape legs cut to the lengths that were specified in my manual
480mm. I dont really want to cut much more off these as its not having any
effect on the top frequency swr value therefore i feel there is an underlying
issue that i need to sort out first?
With the 2 legs cut to 480mm i have the following swr readings
118.000 2.0
127.350 2.1
136.985 3.0
I would appreciated any help and advice that people have to offer to try and recrify
this problem for me. Im now not sure how to proceed to sort this problem
out.
I look forward to your replies.
Kind regards
Donald
--------
Fireflier
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417402#417402
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| Subject: | Re: Tuning dipole aerial |
| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Plot it with more data points to find its center freq.
If you think of it in terms of the "higher the frequency the shorter the element",
it was resonant at 118 MHz, and after cutting (how much?) it's moved higher.
Is you meter designed for VHF?
Also, nearby objects including you can affect it. Try to place it vertical and
away from other objects. Both elements should be equal length, and you should
measure from the crotch of the separated coax.
Tim
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:55 AM, "fireflier" wrote:
>
>
> Hi
> I'm looking for some help with regards tuning in my dipole aerial as i seem to
have a slight problem.
>
> I Have everything connected up to my swr meter and got the following readings
at the start
>
> 118.000 1.2
> 127.350 2.7
> 136.975 3.1
>
> I have been trimming the copper tape of the dipole and the lower frequency swr
reading has increased and the mid frequency has decreased however there has
been no real effect on the hight frequency as this is still at a swr of 3.
>
> I now have the copper tape legs cut to the lengths that were specified in my
manual 480mm. I dont really want to cut much more off these as its not having
any effect on the top frequency swr value therefore i feel there is an underlying
issue that i need to sort out first?
>
> With the 2 legs cut to 480mm i have the following swr readings
>
> 118.000 2.0
> 127.350 2.1
> 136.985 3.0
>
> I would appreciated any help and advice that people have to offer to try and
recrify this problem for me. Im now not sure how to proceed to sort this problem
out.
>
> I look forward to your replies.
>
> Kind regards
> Donald
>
> --------
> Fireflier
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417402#417402
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tuning dipole aerial |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Donald, you did not mention if the antenna was installed on Carbon Fibre,
Fiberglass or Aluminum skin. Aren't the copper tapes used to establish an
effective groundplane? Is it a concealed antenna? is it homemade or
manufactured? Tesla's are having problems with quality FM reception due to
dipole, concealed. Some owners thought the side mirrors were the concealed
antenna, Turns out the location was selected for cosmetics not function
along the rear window deck and use a two frequency combiner. Are you
assuming the coax connections were both done on the shielding correctly?
John
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Tim Andres wrote:
>
> Plot it with more data points to find its center freq.
> If you think of it in terms of the "higher the frequency the shorter the
> element", it was resonant at 118 MHz, and after cutting (how much?) it's
> moved higher.
>
> Is you meter designed for VHF?
> Also, nearby objects including you can affect it. Try to place it vertical
> and away from other objects. Both elements should be equal length, and you
> should measure from the crotch of the separated coax.
>
> Tim
>
> > On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:55 AM, "fireflier"
> wrote:
> >
> fireflier(at)btinternet.com>
> >
> > Hi
> > I'm looking for some help with regards tuning in my dipole aerial as i
> seem to have a slight problem.
> >
> > I Have everything connected up to my swr meter and got the following
> readings at the start
> >
> > 118.000 1.2
> > 127.350 2.7
> > 136.975 3.1
> >
> > I have been trimming the copper tape of the dipole and the lower
> frequency swr reading has increased and the mid frequency has decreased
> however there has been no real effect on the hight frequency as this is
> still at a swr of 3.
> >
> > I now have the copper tape legs cut to the lengths that were specified
> in my manual 480mm. I dont really want to cut much more off these as its
> not having any effect on the top frequency swr value therefore i feel there
> is an underlying issue that i need to sort out first?
> >
> > With the 2 legs cut to 480mm i have the following swr readings
> >
> > 118.000 2.0
> > 127.350 2.1
> > 136.985 3.0
> >
> > I would appreciated any help and advice that people have to offer to try
> and recrify this problem for me. Im now not sure how to proceed to sort
> this problem out.
> >
> > I look forward to your replies.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Donald
> >
> > --------
> > Fireflier
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417402#417402
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tuning dipole aerial |
| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Copper foil dipoles are pretty common in glass airplanes. Jim Weir use to se
ll a kit and book, I don't think he's shipping them anymore but I'm assuming
Donald's working from that recipe. He did mention it is a dipole.
Tim
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:08 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
> Donald, you did not mention if the antenna was installed on Carbon Fibre,
Fiberglass or Aluminum skin. Aren't the copper tapes used to establish an e
ffective groundplane? Is it a concealed antenna? is it homemade or manufact
ured? Tesla's are having problems with quality FM reception due to dipole, c
oncealed. Some owners thought the side mirrors were the concealed antenna, T
urns out the location was selected for cosmetics not function along the rear
window deck and use a two frequency combiner. Are you assuming the coax co
nnections were both done on the shielding correctly?
>
> John
>
>
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Tim Andres wrote
:
>>
>> Plot it with more data points to find its center freq.
>> If you think of it in terms of the "higher the frequency the shorter the e
lement", it was resonant at 118 MHz, and after cutting (how much?) it's move
d higher.
>>
>> Is you meter designed for VHF?
>> Also, nearby objects including you can affect it. Try to place it vertica
l and away from other objects. Both elements should be equal length, and you
should measure from the crotch of the separated coax.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> > On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:55 AM, "fireflier" wro
te:
>> >
com>
>> >
>> > Hi
>> > I'm looking for some help with regards tuning in my dipole aerial as i s
eem to have a slight problem.
>> >
>> > I Have everything connected up to my swr meter and got the following re
adings at the start
>> >
>> > 118.000 1.2
>> > 127.350 2.7
>> > 136.975 3.1
>> >
>> > I have been trimming the copper tape of the dipole and the lower freque
ncy swr reading has increased and the mid frequency has decreased however th
ere has been no real effect on the hight frequency as this is still at a swr
of 3.
>> >
>> > I now have the copper tape legs cut to the lengths that were specified
in my manual 480mm. I dont really want to cut much more off these as its no
t having any effect on the top frequency swr value therefore i feel there is
an underlying issue that i need to sort out first?
>> >
>> > With the 2 legs cut to 480mm i have the following swr readings
>> >
>> > 118.000 2.0
>> > 127.350 2.1
>> > 136.985 3.0
>> >
>> > I would appreciated any help and advice that people have to offer to tr
y and recrify this problem for me. Im now not sure how to proceed to sort th
is problem out.
>> >
>> > I look forward to your replies.
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> > Donald
>> >
>> > --------
>> > Fireflier
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417402#417402
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| Subject: | Re: Tuning dipole aerial |
| From: | John Cox <rv10pro(at)gmail.com> |
Dave hasn't answered up, but the math does not look right. Assuming a
concealed dipole, the starting measurement for a 1/4 wave in the mid band
of the frequencies desired might have been 564.1 mm or 22.2". Trimming it
to 488 moves that SWR towards the higher end frequency giving rise to the
loss of 118mHz for SWR = 1.2 and then heading south to the more undesirable
2.0. Just a perspective. Maybe he is going 1/8 wave, no ground plane and
properly matched BALUN for the coax to the transceiver??
John
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Tim Andres wrote:
> Copper foil dipoles are pretty common in glass airplanes. Jim Weir use to
> sell a kit and book, I don't think he's shipping them anymore but I'm
> assuming Donald's working from that recipe. He did mention it is a dipole.
> Tim
>
> On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:08 PM, John Cox wrote:
>
> Donald, you did not mention if the antenna was installed on Carbon Fibre,
> Fiberglass or Aluminum skin. Aren't the copper tapes used to establish an
> effective groundplane? Is it a concealed antenna? is it homemade or
> manufactured? Tesla's are having problems with quality FM reception due to
> dipole, concealed. Some owners thought the side mirrors were the concealed
> antenna, Turns out the location was selected for cosmetics not function
> along the rear window deck and use a two frequency combiner. Are you
> assuming the coax connections were both done on the shielding correctly?
>
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Tim Andres wrote:
>
>>
>> Plot it with more data points to find its center freq.
>> If you think of it in terms of the "higher the frequency the shorter the
>> element", it was resonant at 118 MHz, and after cutting (how much?) it's
>> moved higher.
>>
>> Is you meter designed for VHF?
>> Also, nearby objects including you can affect it. Try to place it
>> vertical and away from other objects. Both elements should be equal length,
>> and you should measure from the crotch of the separated coax.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> > On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:55 AM, "fireflier"
>> wrote:
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>> fireflier(at)btinternet.com>
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>> > Hi
>> > I'm looking for some help with regards tuning in my dipole aerial as i
>> seem to have a slight problem.
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>> > I Have everything connected up to my swr meter and got the following
>> readings at the start
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>> > 118.000 1.2
>> > 127.350 2.7
>> > 136.975 3.1
>> >
>> > I have been trimming the copper tape of the dipole and the lower
>> frequency swr reading has increased and the mid frequency has decreased
>> however there has been no real effect on the hight frequency as this is
>> still at a swr of 3.
>> >
>> > I now have the copper tape legs cut to the lengths that were specified
>> in my manual 480mm. I dont really want to cut much more off these as its
>> not having any effect on the top frequency swr value therefore i feel there
>> is an underlying issue that i need to sort out first?
>> >
>> > With the 2 legs cut to 480mm i have the following swr readings
>> >
>> > 118.000 2.0
>> > 127.350 2.1
>> > 136.985 3.0
>> >
>> > I would appreciated any help and advice that people have to offer to
>> try and recrify this problem for me. Im now not sure how to proceed to sort
>> this problem out.
>> >
>> > I look forward to your replies.
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> > Donald
>> >
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>> > Fireflier
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| Subject: | Re: Value of the List... |
| From: | "gotgold5" <pokemonjxc1(at)gmail.com> |
typically the move are generally a factor might possibly facilitate guests to always
be delighted a long time
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417649#417649
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| Subject: | Serial port question |
Originally, I was going to go with a pair of Grand Rapids HX screens with a traditional
radio stack. But when the HXr came out that supported remote avionics
and the ability to use a tablet as a secondary display, I decided to opt for
that
But recently I discovered that a single screen wouldn't work because each device
(EIS, 2 Coms, 1 Nav, Transponder, Audio Panel, GPS, VPX, 2 AHRS) requires a
serial port and there are only 8 ports per screen.
I've been told that I need to add a second HXr to get more ports. :(
Another builder has told me that I can use a 4-port RS-232 serial-to-USB adapter
which would connect to the USB port on the HXr.
I've got an email in to GRT on this but I was wondering if anyone knows if this
is a workable solution.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417987#417987
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Northstar M-3 GPS internal battery |
Does anyone have a part number and source for this battery?
Thanks,
Kelly
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| From: | james vitale <jsv737(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Northstar M-3 GPS internal battery |
atbatt.com
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> To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com=3B aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Avionics-List: Northstar M-3 GPS internal battery
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> Does anyone have a part number and source for this battery?
> Thanks=2C
> Kelly
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| Subject: | Honeywell KT 70 Install Manual |
| From: | "Hayden" <haydenlangston(at)hotmail.com> |
Would anyone have a KT 70 Install manual .pdf I could get a copy of?
Thanks
--------
Hayden
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=419613#419613
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| Subject: | Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
| From: | "c1jensen" <chasen_fly(at)aol.com> |
Hi folks,
Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the
Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in
Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc
Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support
issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658
or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com
--------
Chad Jensen
Vertical Power Support
RV-7, built, flown, sold
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420559#420559
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| From: | Todd Bristol <djtoddb(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you for your email but I will be on vacation with limited email and phone
access. Please leave your email and I will return all my emails after March 21st.
In case of emergencies, please contact Rodney at 480-217-5555. THANK YOU!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>Hi folks,
>
>Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the
Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in
Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc
Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support
issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at
425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com
>
>--------
>Chad Jensen
>Vertical Power Support
>RV-7, built, flown, sold
Great to see you on the List, Chad. I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one
in my RV-6. Absolutely love them. I can't imagine flying without the electrical
automation features of the VP-200 specifically. Will Astronics be working
on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features? Marc had said
that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand
that Astronics won't be carrying those models.
For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the
automation. If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system,
I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200
in a heartbeat.
Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates.
Big Fan of Vertical Power Products,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
| From: | "c1jensen" <chasen_fly(at)aol.com> |
Thanks Matt! I will definitely keep Matronics up to date on our products. I don't
know of any plans at this time to bring back anything like the VP-200 and the
VP-300/400 is no more. The concentration will be on the VP-X and the development
of the primary power system, which is in a second engineering review state.
Glad you like your 200's though!
--------
Chad Jensen
Vertical Power Support
RV-7, built, flown, sold
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420688#420688
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| From: | Ralph Finch <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, |
WI
Count me as another VP-200 fan...and I haven't even installed mine
yet. I got the last one after the VP-300/400s came out, a refurbished
unit that the owner traded in for a VP-400.
Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just
don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that
is essentially the role of the VP-X.
For a couple of years now I've thought that the logical next step for
VP would be to provide an add-on for the -X to achieve all or most of
the -200 functionality. With the -X physical switches handle only very
low power triggering currents. Those triggers could be provided by an
onboard computer, like the -200 offers. Furthermore, you wouldn't have
to replace all your physical switches. Just put the onboard computer
behind the panel, wire each physical switch in parallel to the
computer, and have a small LCD screen on the panel to provide system
status info.
Ralph Finch
Davis, CA
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:03 PM, c1jensen wrote:
>
> Thanks Matt! I will definitely keep Matronics up to date on our products. I don't
know of any plans at this time to bring back anything like the VP-200 and
the VP-300/400 is no more. The concentration will be on the VP-X and the development
of the primary power system, which is in a second engineering review state.
>
> Glad you like your 200's though!
>
> --------
> Chad Jensen
> Vertical Power Support
> RV-7, built, flown, sold
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=420688#420688
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI |
At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just
>don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that
>is essentially the role of the VP-X.
I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't
really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it
really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity
to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation
after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly
reduces my workload during the various phases of flight. The fact that
the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that
I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the
electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply
genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but
the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great. The only external
input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.
I have to manually turn the position lights on. It seems like either the
input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock
could make this happen.
Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded
processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in
the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... :-)
Best regards,
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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| From: | Shaun Dawson <scdawson(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RV8-List: Re: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and |
Oshkosh, WI
Based on GPS information (position and time), you can know whether you are
in Day or night, no problem, without having to resort to external devices
such as a light sensor (which can break). I would think that sort of thing
would be quite easy.
Shaun
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:
> ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com>
> >
> >Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited. I just
> >don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that
> >is essentially the role of the VP-X.
>
>
> I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers
> didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is
> and how it really works. Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've
> had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe
> of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it
> works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various
> phases of flight. The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS
> data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in -
> Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the
> electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is
> simply genius. Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the
> market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great.
> The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the
> determination of Day vs. Night. I have to manually turn the position
> lights o!
> n. It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye
> or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen.
>
> Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an
> external embedded processor and display is a good one. Maybe when I get
> the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those
> lines... :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
>
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer
> Mode
>
> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
> For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Down for Repair (PLEASE READ)... |
Dear Listers,
Late Tuesday night 4/15/2014, the Matronics Web server crashed due to a multi-disk
RAID 5 failure. The system has complete data backups, but I will likely have
to order some replacement disks to rebuild the system. I'll work as quickly
as I can to restore the Matronics Web Server.
The Matronics EMAIL server is NOT impacted by this issue. All normal Matronics
Email List mail will flow as usual. However, the Matronics Web Forums interface
will not be available.
Also impacted by the Web Server outage will be the AeroElectric web site.
I will try to post daily updates on the Web Server restoration status.
I apologize for the inconvenience... :-(
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Repaired and ONLINE! (PLEASE READ) |
Dear Listers,
The new hard drives for the Matronics web server arrived today, Thursday 4/17/2014
and the RAID5 disk array rebuild went very smoothly.
Web server is back online and fully functional! No data or files were lost.
Additionally, those that frequent the AeroElectric web site will find that it has
been restored as well.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Garmin SL-30 poor VOR reception |
Hello listers:
I have an RV-6A that I've been flying for a few years. When I first started
flying the airplane I did some rough VOR range reception checks with the
SL-30 and I had to get within 20 miles of a VOR station to get the receiver
to lock on and the OBS indicator to stabilize with no flag displayed. I
continued with the flight test regimen and getting familiar with the
airplane and enjoying it. Since flights have been in VFR conditions around
the busy Tampa (Florida) airspace I used the panel mounted moving map
(GPS/Comm) to make sure I stayed out of the Class B, there was no need to
have good VOR reception. The Com portion was the only thing I was using on
the SL-30 and that worked very well. Then, a couple months ago I turned on
the SL-30 and, nothing, no display or Com so I returned the unit to Garmin
for repair. In the meantime I'd been talking to a CFII about working on
my instrument proficiency to get back up to FAA standards after a long
hiatus. When the SL-30 was repaired and back in the instrument panel I took
off on a flight to Ocala to check it out. I climbed up to 4500 feet and
watched the OBS and listened for the ID code as I entered the 40 mile radius
of the Ocala VOR. Nothing so I kept going on a course straight for the
station. Around 20-25 miles out I started getting activity on the indicator
but the flags were intermittent and the radio could not maintain a lock.
Finally about 15 miles out the indicators stabilized and the flags stayed
off, obviously something is amiss.
I'm using a Comant CI-159 VOR/ILS antenna. This unit consists of a phenolic
"puck" with a BNC connector cast into it for the coax connection. There are
two fiberglas elements (thin rods about 18 inches long) that screw into the
puck to form a "V" shaped antenna. I have it mounted on the bottom of the
fuselage in the back of the airplane under the horizontal stabilizer. The
BNC sticks through a hole in the belly and appx 25 foot length of RG-58 coax
runs inside the aircraft up to the SL-30 receiver. No gasket was supplied
with the antenna so I just bolted the puck to the aluminum using the two
bolt holes. After the Ocala flight I removed the puck and elements for
closer inspection and checked the connector on the coax cable at the antenna
end. Nothing wrong that I could tell just by looking at the equipment.
There was a bit of engine oil (from the exhaust) on the puck surface facing
the skin. I cleaned it off and made a gasket to go between the puck and the
skin to minimize the oil build up again. I have not flown the airplane
since but I doubt that lack of a gasket was causing the poor reception,
maybe someone here can tell me. The other thing I checked was the
resistance between the center pin and outside barrel of the BNC connector on
the antenna. Resistance was showing basically a dead short (less than 1
ohm, same reading as touching the meter probes together). I'm not an
antenna designer so I don't know if this is what the reading should be or
not. Aircraft Spruce has the following description for this antenna: " "V"
Dipole VOR/Glide Slope Antenna with detachable elements is similar to the CI
158C-3 with the exception of offering 2-hole mount instead of a 4-hole
mount. This V Dipole encompasses reduced static capability with the use of
P-Stat paint. Integral ferrite balun provides for higher radiation
efficiency." . I don't know if the construction of the antenna would cause
the meter to show such a low resistance, maybe some here could shed some
light on that.
Any ideas, experiences with poor VOR reception here on the list? Since the
radio has been repaired and tested by the factory I'd say it's not the
radio. I checked the connector at the back of the radio tray and it appears
secure so I'm not sure what else to do. Since VORs are being decommissioned
there is going to be less and less need for VOR reception but if I have to
use victor airways during instrument operations I need to have good
reception at the expected range or I won't be able to comply with ATC
clearances. Thanks for the help
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
200+ hours since 2008
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin SL-30 poor VOR reception |
I just went and measured the resistance between the center pin and the outside
connector on my CI-158C and it too is basically a short, so that part seems "normal".
I would do a similar test on your cable with both ends disconnected.
That should be infinate resistance.
Are you using "RG-58A" or "RG-58C/U"? "RG-58A" is really lossy. ""RG-58C/U" is
better, but still not that great. I would strongly recommend RG-142 or RV-400
for that application. I have RG-142 installed in my RV-8 connected to an SL-30
and to a CI-158C antenna mounted in the top of my vertical stab and I get
outstanding reception.
Pull the RG-58 out, get some RG-142 and some high-quality BNC connectors (the crimp-on
kind NOT the screw-on kind) and then see how things work. You may still
have a problem with the NAV receiver on the SL-30, but upgrading your cable
will go a long way in improving your reception in any case.
Matt
At 09:17 PM 4/24/2014 Thursday, you wrote:
>
>Hello listers:
>
>I have an RV-6A that I've been flying for a few years. When I first started
>flying the airplane I did some rough VOR range reception checks with the
>SL-30 and I had to get within 20 miles of a VOR station to get the receiver
>to lock on and the OBS indicator to stabilize with no flag displayed. I
>continued with the flight test regimen and getting familiar with the
>airplane and enjoying it. Since flights have been in VFR conditions around
>the busy Tampa (Florida) airspace I used the panel mounted moving map
>(GPS/Comm) to make sure I stayed out of the Class B, there was no need to
>have good VOR reception. The Com portion was the only thing I was using on
>the SL-30 and that worked very well. Then, a couple months ago I turned on
>the SL-30 and, nothing, no display or Com so I returned the unit to Garmin
>for repair. In the meantime I'd been talking to a CFII about working on
>my instrument proficiency to get back up to FAA standards after a long
>hiatus. When the SL-30 was repaired and back in the instrument panel I took
>off on a flight to Ocala to check it out. I climbed up to 4500 feet and
>watched the OBS and listened for the ID code as I entered the 40 mile radius
>of the Ocala VOR. Nothing so I kept going on a course straight for the
>station. Around 20-25 miles out I started getting activity on the indicator
>but the flags were intermittent and the radio could not maintain a lock.
>Finally about 15 miles out the indicators stabilized and the flags stayed
>off, obviously something is amiss.
>
>I'm using a Comant CI-159 VOR/ILS antenna. This unit consists of a phenolic
>"puck" with a BNC connector cast into it for the coax connection. There are
>two fiberglas elements (thin rods about 18 inches long) that screw into the
>puck to form a "V" shaped antenna. I have it mounted on the bottom of the
>fuselage in the back of the airplane under the horizontal stabilizer. The
>BNC sticks through a hole in the belly and appx 25 foot length of RG-58 coax
>runs inside the aircraft up to the SL-30 receiver. No gasket was supplied
>with the antenna so I just bolted the puck to the aluminum using the two
>bolt holes. After the Ocala flight I removed the puck and elements for
>closer inspection and checked the connector on the coax cable at the antenna
>end. Nothing wrong that I could tell just by looking at the equipment.
>There was a bit of engine oil (from the exhaust) on the puck surface facing
>the skin. I cleaned it off and made a gasket to go between the puck and the
>skin to minimize the oil build up again. I have not flown the airplane
>since but I doubt that lack of a gasket was causing the poor reception,
>maybe someone here can tell me. The other thing I checked was the
>resistance between the center pin and outside barrel of the BNC connector on
>the antenna. Resistance was showing basically a dead short (less than 1
>ohm, same reading as touching the meter probes together). I'm not an
>antenna designer so I don't know if this is what the reading should be or
>not. Aircraft Spruce has the following description for this antenna: " "V"
>Dipole VOR/Glide Slope Antenna with detachable elements is similar to the CI
>158C-3 with the exception of offering 2-hole mount instead of a 4-hole
>mount. This V Dipole encompasses reduced static capability with the use of
>P-Stat paint. Integral ferrite balun provides for higher radiation
>efficiency." . I don't know if the construction of the antenna would cause
>the meter to show such a low resistance, maybe some here could shed some
>light on that.
>
>Any ideas, experiences with poor VOR reception here on the list? Since the
>radio has been repaired and tested by the factory I'd say it's not the
>radio. I checked the connector at the back of the radio tray and it appears
>secure so I'm not sure what else to do. Since VORs are being decommissioned
>there is going to be less and less need for VOR reception but if I have to
>use victor airways during instrument operations I need to have good
>reception at the expected range or I won't be able to comply with ATC
>clearances. Thanks for the help
>
>Dean Psiropoulos
>RV-6A N197DM
>200+ hours since 2008
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | D L Josephson <dlj04(at)josephson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin SL-30 poor VOR reception |
Matt wrote:
>
> Are you using "RG-58A" or "RG-58C/U"? "RG-58A" is really lossy. ""RG-58C/U"
is
> better, but still not that great. I would strongly recommend RG-142 or RV-400
> for that application. I have RG-142 installed in my RV-8 connected to an SL-30
> and to a CI-158C antenna mounted in the top of my vertical stab and I get
> outstanding
I wonder what the source of that information is. Commercial RG-58A, mil
spec RG-58 (MIL-DTL-17 M17/28-RG058) such as Belden 9203, RG-142 and
RG400/LMR400 are all rated between 3.3 and 4.9 dB per 100 ft at 100 MHz
-- around 1 dB for a practical airplane installation.
>
> Pull the RG-58 out, get some RG-142 and some high-quality BNC connectors (the
crimp-on
> kind NOT the screw-on kind) and then see how things work. You may still
> have a problem with the NAV receiver on the SL-30, but upgrading your cable
> will go a long way in improving your reception in any case.
Original RG-58 cable was just fine for decades with receivers far worse
than the Garmin. In my experience, connectors are the problem nine times
out of ten. Commercial grade crimp connectors from a manufacturer that
also supplies military grade connectors (Amp, Amphenol, Kings) crimped
with the manufacturer-specified tool checked for the correct crimp
dimensions by someone experienced with this process is the key. Original
military soldered connectors are also OK but only if the installer is
experienced enough to get the dimensions right without melting the
dielectric.
Quick test, after you've confirmed that the cable has continuity end to
end and isn't shorted: grab the cable in one hand and the body of the
connector in the other. Using moderate force, can you rotate the
connector body with respect to the cable? If so, cut it off and try
again, it is not terminated correctly. This isn't the cause of all
problems but is usually diagnostic of whether it was crimped right in
the first place.
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| Subject: | Basic VFR system |
| From: | "JOHN TIPTON" <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> |
Hi Guys/Bob
I'm thinking now about the wiring for the RV9a, requirements are 'basic' VFR, and
looking at Z-11, is not basic enough, so have ventured to B & C for their basic
VFR diagram
http://www.bandc.biz/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf
The only thing I see here that I havn't seen on any other (Z-xx) diagram, is the
extra ANL from the Battery to Main Bus, between the contacter (items 9 &10)
and main bus is a ANL fuse.
Can someone expand on the theory for this item where it is, but not generally found.
Best regards
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422671#422671
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| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | Basic VFR system |
I'm used to seeing the big fuse in the B lead to protect against a runaway alternator.
But the other one between the battery and main bus seems redundant. The
only thing I see it protecting is a direct short of the bus bar. Anything attached
to the bus is protected by its own fuse/cb. I'm also interested to know
if there's another purpose.
BTW, if you want Bob to chime in then post it to the Aeroelectric list.
Regards,
Greg Young
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN TIPTON
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 10:57 AM
Subject: Avionics-List: Basic VFR system
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Hi Guys/Bob
I'm thinking now about the wiring for the RV9a, requirements are 'basic' VFR, and
looking at Z-11, is not basic enough, so have ventured to B & C for their basic
VFR diagram
http://www.bandc.biz/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf
The only thing I see here that I havn't seen on any other (Z-xx) diagram, is the
extra ANL from the Battery to Main Bus, between the contacter (items 9 &10)
and main bus is a ANL fuse.
Can someone expand on the theory for this item where it is, but not generally found.
Best regards
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422671#422671
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| From: | Jeff Luckey <jluckey(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Basic VFR system |
John,=0A=0AThe purpose of the current limiter is to protect the feeder that
goes from the Master relay/solenoid to the main bus.- It does not have a
nything to do w/ the alternator in that location.=0A=0AThe drawing does sho
w another ANL in the output of the alternator, however it would not be good
protection against a runaway alternator. This is because it would require
at least 150% overload for several seconds (you would have to look at the c
urrent curve in the spec sheet for that ANL for exact numbers of time vs %
overload).- =0A=0ABy the time the ANL popped, the buss voltage would have
been unacceptably high for too long and very likely cooking electrical com
ponents.- The ANL in the B lead is to protect it from ground faults.=0A
=0ATo prevent damage from a runaway alternator you should use an Overvoltag
e Protection Module which will shut-down an errant alternator in less than
a second.=0A=0AIn what part of the country are you located?=0A=0A=0A=0A-Jef
f Luckey=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "bigdog@bentwing
.com" =0ATo: "avionics-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:48 AM=0ASubject: RE: A
vionics-List: Basic VFR system=0A =0A=0A--> Avionics-List message posted by
: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" =0A=0AI'm used to seeing the b
ig fuse in the B lead to protect against a runaway alternator. But the othe
r one between the battery and main bus seems redundant. The only thing I se
e it protecting is a direct short of the bus bar. Anything attached to the
bus is protected by its own fuse/cb. I'm also interested to know if there's
another purpose. =0A=0ABTW, if you want Bob to chime in then post it to th
e Aeroelectric list.=0A=0ARegards,=0AGreg Young=0A=0A=0A-----Original Messa
ge-----=0AFrom: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avio
nics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOHN TIPTON=0ASent: Thursday,
May 01, 2014 10:57 AM=0ATo: avionics-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Avionics
TON" =0A--> =0A=0AHi Guys/Bob=0A=0AI'm thinking n
ow about the wiring for the RV9a, requirements are 'basic' VFR, and looking
at Z-11, is not basic enough, so have ventured to B & C for their basic VF
R diagram=0A=0Ahttp://www.bandc.biz/pdfs/001510VFRSingleALT.pdf=0A=0AThe on
ly thing I see here that I havn't seen on any other (Z-xx) diagram, is the
extra ANL from the Battery to Main Bus, between the contacter (items 9 &10)
and main bus is a ANL fuse.=0A=0ACan someone expand on the theory for this
item where it is, but not generally found.=0A=0ABest regards=0A=0AJohn=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v
iewtopic.php?p=422671#422671=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Equipping experimental for IFR |
| From: | "curts63" <curt.stein(at)verizon.net> |
I"m new to owning a plane and trying to learn. I bought a used experimental plane.
The panel includes an MGL Voyager EFIS, Backup airspeed, Backup altimeter,
Garmin 430W, Garmin GTX-327, Garmin 240 audio panel, and a Navworx ADS-B.
The Voyager has the horizon, slip skid ball, compass, altimeter, airspeed, OAT,
clock, timer, oil temp, oil pressure, RPM, CDI, glideslope, autopilot, and more.
My question is, what is the required equipment for IFR and what testing has to
be done prior to filing and flying?
Any insight and guidance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Curt
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423326#423326
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| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
The answer is in your operating limitations. Normally you have to meet
the requirements of 91.205(d). You have to have altimeter and static
system certified to meet IFR standards. If you have an encoder, it has
to meet the correspondence standards to the altimeter.
You need two way communication radio and at least 1 navigation method.
In most circumstances you will need a Mode A/C or Mode S transponder and
it has to be certified. The only nav radio that has to be certified is
the GPS.
On 5/15/2014 5:26 PM, curts63 wrote:
>
> I"m new to owning a plane and trying to learn. I bought a used experimental
plane. The panel includes an MGL Voyager EFIS, Backup airspeed, Backup altimeter,
Garmin 430W, Garmin GTX-327, Garmin 240 audio panel, and a Navworx ADS-B.
>
> The Voyager has the horizon, slip skid ball, compass, altimeter, airspeed, OAT,
clock, timer, oil temp, oil pressure, RPM, CDI, glideslope, autopilot, and
more.
>
> My question is, what is the required equipment for IFR and what testing has to
be done prior to filing and flying?
>
> Any insight and guidance is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Curt
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423326#423326
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
| From: | "curts63" <curt.stein(at)verizon.net> |
Ok, thanks. In the case of the pitot static and transponder, they get tested every
24 months. Is this test different for VFR versus IFR?
For the Garmin 430W, I've heard that this requires a ground test and flight test?
Is this something that needs to be repeated on a standard interval?
Is it required to have a backup instruments to the EFIS ? I know it's the better
practice to have those, but are they required in experimental?
Curt
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423340#423340
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| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Equipping experimental for IFR |
5/16/2014
Hello Curt, You wrote: =9C.... trying to learn.=9D
I really appreciate it when an EAB (Experimental Amateur Built) aircraft
builder or owner comes out with an attitude like that =93 way to
go!
Some time back I created the attached document to help answer questions
like yours. It has been published in Kitplanes magazine.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
=98OC=99 Baker
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather and understand information."
==================
Subject: Avionics-List: Equipping experimental for IFR
From: "curts63" <curt.stein(at)verizon.net>
I"m new to owning a plane and trying to learn. I bought a used
experimental plane.
The panel includes an MGL Voyager EFIS, Backup airspeed, Backup
altimeter,
Garmin 430W, Garmin GTX-327, Garmin 240 audio panel, and a Navworx
ADS-B.
The Voyager has the horizon, slip skid ball, compass, altimeter,
airspeed, OAT,
clock, timer, oil temp, oil pressure, RPM, CDI, glideslope, autopilot,
and more.
My question is, what is the required equipment for IFR and what testing
has to
be done prior to filing and flying?
Any insight and guidance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Curt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
Yes, the IFR altimeter/static test involves checking every 1000 ft up to
max altitude you want.
No on repetition of the 430. See AC 20-138A
No backups required for experimental, just Part 23. Good idea to plan
what type of backup you want.
On 5/16/2014 4:48 AM, curts63 wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks. In the case of the pitot static and transponder, they get tested
every 24 months. Is this test different for VFR versus IFR?
>
> For the Garmin 430W, I've heard that this requires a ground test and flight test?
Is this something that needs to be repeated on a standard interval?
>
> Is it required to have a backup instruments to the EFIS ? I know it's the better
practice to have those, but are they required in experimental?
>
> Curt
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423340#423340
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
5/16/2014
Hello Curt, You wrote:
1) Does it have to be field tested/certified prior to IFR flight .....?
a) Lets take the certified part first. This extract:
Fly WAAS Approaches
GNS 430W comes with built-in WAAS navigation capabilities. It is approved to
fly LPV glideslope approaches without reference to ground-based navaids of
any kind. Featuring an advanced 15-channel receiver capable of five position
updates per second, GNS 430W meets the FAA's stringent TSO C146a standards
for WAAS "sole means" navigation providing vertical and lateral approach
guidance into thousands of U.S. airports previously inaccessible in IFR
conditions.
copied from a Garmin page shows that the 430W is fully compliant with TSO
C146a for sole means navigation including precision approaches. No further
certification in the field is needed.
b) Regarding field testing: There are no provisions in the federal
regulatory system for the FAA to field test the avionics installation in
your EAB aircraft. One may turn to an FAA approved MRO (Maintenance and
Repair Organization) for such field testing, but that organization is
obligated to comply with some regulatory provisions established for type
certificated aircraft which do not apply to your EAB. In the MRO's misguided
attempts to comply with type certificated aircraft criteria in regard to
your EAB you can wind up with a real (and expensive) mess on your hands.
So my recommendation is that you use an FAA approved MRO for the bench
testing and repair of your individual avionics components when required, but
do not attempt to have them field test any EAB entire avionics installation.
b) .... does it need to be certified on an ongoing interval,...
No regulatory recertification for the 430W is required, but there are the
issues of navigation data base and software updates:
a) Navigation Data Base Updates: This can be an ongoing chore / expense
depending upon how you approach it. The ultimate (and most expensive)
navigation data base update solution is to have a Jeppesen subscription that
provides one an appropriate geographic navigation data base update every 26
days that you must download with your computer onto the navigation data base
card for your 430W and then install in the unit. An alternative is to call
Jeppesen to order and install a one time navigation data base download when
you see the need.
b) Software Updates: If you poke around digitally inside your 430W you will
discover an amazingly large number of different software programs that
control the various aspects of that box. You can write down the identity,
including the version, of each of those software programs and carry it off
to a nearby qualified Garmin dealer / servicing facility. They can check
their Garmin files to see if there are any available updates to those
software programs. Those updates will fall into categories such as mandatory
(in Garmins opinion) or sort of nice to have. Use your judgment as to
whether you want to go to the effort / expense to have any software updates
done.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
'OC'
====================================================================================
From: Curt
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: Equipping experimental for IFR
Owen, Thank you for the equipment list, that helps with whats needed for
flight rules. The one outstanding question is with the Garmin 430W. Does
it have to be field tested/certified prior to IFR flight and does it need to
be certified on an ongoing interval, like the transponder?
Sincerely,
Curt Stein
====================================================
From: Owen Baker [mailto:bakerocb(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 9:08 AM
aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Equipping experimental for IFR
5/16/2014
Hello Curt, You wrote: .... trying to learn.
I really appreciate it when an EAB (Experimental Amateur Built) aircraft
builder or owner comes out with an attitude like that way to go!
Some time back I created the attached document to help answer questions like
yours. It has been published in Kitplanes magazine.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
OC Baker
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gather
and understand information."
====================================================================
Subject: Avionics-List: Equipping experimental for IFR
From: "curts63" <curt.stein(at)verizon.net>
I"m new to owning a plane and trying to learn. I bought a used experimental
plane.
The panel includes an MGL Voyager EFIS, Backup airspeed, Backup altimeter,
Garmin 430W, Garmin GTX-327, Garmin 240 audio panel, and a Navworx ADS-B.
The Voyager has the horizon, slip skid ball, compass, altimeter, airspeed,
OAT,
clock, timer, oil temp, oil pressure, RPM, CDI, glideslope, autopilot, and
more.
My question is, what is the required equipment for IFR and what testing has
to
be done prior to filing and flying?
Any insight and guidance is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Curt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
5/16/2014
Hello Curt, You wrote:
1) "There are no mandatory tests like you would see in the VOR area where
you're required to check the accuracy?"
I am aware of no regulatory mandatory requirement to check the GPS accuracy
performance of a Garmin 430W prior to filing and flying IFR. You may wish to
check into the subject of RAIM (Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring).
2) "So in conclusion, the 430w does not need any kind of test prior to using
it in IFR conditions?"**
As you imply in 1 above, if you are using the VOR capability of the 430W for
IFR navigation then you must comply with 14 CFR 91.171.
3) "You don't need a signed flight manual supplement to go along with the
POH?"
Here you are treading into the area of trying to super impose regulatory
requirements established by the FAA for type certificated aircraft onto the
far thinner regulatory arena that EAB aircraft operate in. Where is the
regulation that requires a POH for an EAB aircraft? Where is the regulation
that says who is authorized to sign the flight manual supplement for an EAB
aircraft POH?##
4) "I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me."
It is my pleasure, sir.
5) "Thanks again for your assistance."
You are welcome any time.
'OC'
**PS: I would recommend extensive practice under VFR in VMC conditions with
your aircraft's avionics installation before venturing into IFR under IMC
conditions.
##PS: I am not saying that a good POH / supplement is not needed for safe
flight in EAB aircraft, just that the FAA does not mandate those items by
regulations and it is up to the builder / pilot of the EAB aircraft to
create what is needed for safe flight for him and his aircraft.
=======================================================
From: Curt
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: Equipping experimental for IFR
Owen,
So in conclusion, the 430w does not need any kind of test prior to using it
in IFR conditions? There are no mandatory tests like you would see in the
VOR area where you're required to check the accuracy? You don't need a
signed flight manual supplement to go along with the POH?
I do know about the monthly nav data updates from Jeppesen. I did purchase
the expensive annual update package for my intended area of flying.
Thanks again for your assistance. I really appreciate you taking the time
to educate me.
Curt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
I strongly recommend following the guidance of AC 20-138A (available for
download from FAA) when installing a certified GPS in an OBAM
experimental aircraft.
Item 22 on pg 37 is Installed performance-ground tests. Ensures there
are not interference issues with other installed avionics.
Item 23 on pg 39. Installed performance - flight test. Again,
suggestions to ensure flight guidance, especially for approaches is as
expected.
Not regulatory, but highly recommended. The AC also has some guidance on
flight manual supplements.
Generally not a big deal, unless you plan on having someone other than
yourself fly the plane.
On 5/16/2014 2:50 PM, Owen Baker wrote:
>
> 5/16/2014
>
> Hello Curt, You wrote:
>
> 1) "There are no mandatory tests like you would see in the VOR area
> where you're required to check the accuracy?"
>
> I am aware of no regulatory mandatory requirement to check the GPS
> accuracy performance of a Garmin 430W prior to filing and flying IFR.
> You may wish to check into the subject of RAIM (Receiver Autonomous
> Integrity Monitoring).
>
> 2) "So in conclusion, the 430w does not need any kind of test prior to
> using it in IFR conditions?"**
>
> As you imply in 1 above, if you are using the VOR capability of the
> 430W for IFR navigation then you must comply with 14 CFR 91.171.
>
> 3) "You don't need a signed flight manual supplement to go along with
> the POH?"
>
> Here you are treading into the area of trying to super impose
> regulatory requirements established by the FAA for type certificated
> aircraft onto the far thinner regulatory arena that EAB aircraft
> operate in. Where is the regulation that requires a POH for an EAB
> aircraft? Where is the regulation that says who is authorized to sign
> the flight manual supplement for an EAB aircraft POH?##
>
> 4) "I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me."
>
> It is my pleasure, sir.
>
> 5) "Thanks again for your assistance."
>
> You are welcome any time.
>
> 'OC'
>
> **PS: I would recommend extensive practice under VFR in VMC conditions
> with your aircraft's avionics installation before venturing into IFR
> under IMC conditions.
>
> ##PS: I am not saying that a good POH / supplement is not needed for
> safe flight in EAB aircraft, just that the FAA does not mandate those
> items by regulations and it is up to the builder / pilot of the EAB
> aircraft to create what is needed for safe flight for him and his
> aircraft.
>
> =======================================================
> From: Curt
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 3:26 PM
> To: 'Owen Baker '
> Subject: RE: Equipping experimental for IFR
>
> Owen,
> So in conclusion, the 430w does not need any kind of test prior to
> using it in IFR conditions? There are no mandatory tests like you
> would see in the VOR area where you're required to check the accuracy?
> You don't need a signed flight manual supplement to go along with the
> POH?
>
> I do know about the monthly nav data updates from Jeppesen. I did
> purchase the expensive annual update package for my intended area of
> flying.
>
> Thanks again for your assistance. I really appreciate you taking the
> time to educate me.
>
> Curt
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Equipping experimental for IFR |
| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The Garmin 430W install manual has a checkout procedure as well.
FWIW, I do know the local avionics shop here has a pilot they use to shoot various
approaches in VFR to verify all is well. I don't know that it's required,
but it seems only prudent to do so.
Tim
> On May 16, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
>
> I strongly recommend following the guidance of AC 20-138A (available for download
from FAA) when installing a certified GPS in an OBAM experimental aircraft.
> Item 22 on pg 37 is Installed performance-ground tests. Ensures there are not
interference issues with other installed avionics.
> Item 23 on pg 39. Installed performance - flight test. Again, suggestions to
ensure flight guidance, especially for approaches is as expected.
> Not regulatory, but highly recommended. The AC also has some guidance on flight
manual supplements.
> Generally not a big deal, unless you plan on having someone other than yourself
fly the plane.
>
>> On 5/16/2014 2:50 PM, Owen Baker wrote:
>>
>> 5/16/2014
>>
>> Hello Curt, You wrote:
>>
>> 1) "There are no mandatory tests like you would see in the VOR area where you're
required to check the accuracy?"
>>
>> I am aware of no regulatory mandatory requirement to check the GPS accuracy
performance of a Garmin 430W prior to filing and flying IFR. You may wish to check
into the subject of RAIM (Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring).
>>
>> 2) "So in conclusion, the 430w does not need any kind of test prior to using
it in IFR conditions?"**
>>
>> As you imply in 1 above, if you are using the VOR capability of the 430W for
IFR navigation then you must comply with 14 CFR 91.171.
>>
>> 3) "You don't need a signed flight manual supplement to go along with the POH?"
>>
>> Here you are treading into the area of trying to super impose regulatory requirements
established by the FAA for type certificated aircraft onto the far thinner
regulatory arena that EAB aircraft operate in. Where is the regulation
that requires a POH for an EAB aircraft? Where is the regulation that says who
is authorized to sign the flight manual supplement for an EAB aircraft POH?##
>>
>> 4) "I really appreciate you taking the time to educate me."
>>
>> It is my pleasure, sir.
>>
>> 5) "Thanks again for your assistance."
>>
>> You are welcome any time.
>>
>> 'OC'
>>
>> **PS: I would recommend extensive practice under VFR in VMC conditions with
your aircraft's avionics installation before venturing into IFR under IMC conditions.
>>
>> ##PS: I am not saying that a good POH / supplement is not needed for safe flight
in EAB aircraft, just that the FAA does not mandate those items by regulations
and it is up to the builder / pilot of the EAB aircraft to create what is
needed for safe flight for him and his aircraft.
>>
>> =======================================================
>> From: Curt
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 3:26 PM
>> To: 'Owen Baker '
>> Subject: RE: Equipping experimental for IFR
>>
>> Owen,
>> So in conclusion, the 430w does not need any kind of test prior to using it
in IFR conditions? There are no mandatory tests like you would see in the VOR
area where you're required to check the accuracy? You don't need a signed flight
manual supplement to go along with the POH?
>>
>> I do know about the monthly nav data updates from Jeppesen. I did purchase
the expensive annual update package for my intended area of flying.
>>
>> Thanks again for your assistance. I really appreciate you taking the time to
educate me.
>>
>> Curt
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Garmin 430W Software |
5/17/2014
Hello Bill Bradbury, Start with getting a copy of the 400W Series Pilot
Guide & Reference and sitting down in front of an installed 430W. (The
trainer version that I have installed on my computer will not allow me
to check its installed software.)
Using this Guide you can:
1) On page 149 select the AUX Page Group.
2) On page 149 select the Utility Page.
3) On page 158 select the Software Versions Page.
4) On page 164 see a discussion of the Software / Database Versions.
I found eight different sets of software and their versions on my 430W:
MAIN 2.0, GPS 2.4, COM 4.00, VLOC 2.06, G/S 2.03, IOFPGA 2.2, STAGE 1
2.01, and STAGE 2 2.00.
I carried this listing over to our local qualified Garmin dealer /
servicer and asked them to tell me if I was up to date. After a fair
amount of struggle and searching they told me that:
MAIN is required to be updated to 3.30 with an optional update to 5.3.
GPS is required to be updated to 3.20 with and optional update to 5.0.
Since I am not currently using my 430W for IFR flight purposes I am
deferring any software updates until that need arises.
I hope that this helps. Any other questions?
=98OC=99 Baker
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather and understand information."
==============
From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry(at)verizon.net>
Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Re: Equipping experimental for IFR
OC,
Where do I find the procedures to "poke around digitally inside your
430W"?
I would like to check to see what software is loaded in my unit.
Thanks,
Bill
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| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Equipping experimental for IFR |
5/17/2014
Hello Curt Stein, You wrote:
1) =9CIn the case of the pitot static and transponder, they get
tested every
24 months. Is this test different for VFR versus IFR?=9D
The answer to your question is found in 14 CFR Sections 91.411 and
91.413 that require these inspections, and the related Appendices E and
F of Part 43. (All available at the FAA web site.)
A) 91.411 applies to any operation under IFR in controlled airspace.
B) 91.413 is a bit more complicated. Please see that section and its
referenced section 91.215 for details.
C) It is unfortunate that the term =9Cpitot static and transponder
checks=9D has come into common use when describing the tests
required by 91.411 and 91.413. A review of those sections and the
relevant appendicies of Part 43 shows that no test of the pitot system
is required, but that extensive and detailed tests of the static system
and transponder are required to include the altimeter viewed by the
pilot, and the automatic altitude reporting system which consists of the
encoder and the transponder.
I guess that we are just stuck with that unfortunate common terminology,
but I strongly urge all EAB builders and pilots to become familiar with
the actual requirements of the regulations, including the technicians
and organizations that are permitted / required to perform the tests
involved.
2) =9CIs it required to have a backup instruments to the EFIS ? I
know it's the better
practice to have those, but are they required in experimental?=9D
The regulatory requirements for EAB instruments have been covered in our
previous exchange postings and the attached document.
=98OC=99
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather and understand information."
================
Subject: Avionics-List: Re: Equipping experimental for IFR
From: "curts63" <curt.stein(at)verizon.net>
Ok, thanks. In the case of the pitot static and transponder, they get
tested every
24 months. Is this test different for VFR versus IFR?
For the Garmin 430W, I've heard that this requires a ground test and
flight test?
Is this something that needs to be repeated on a standard interval?
Is it required to have a backup instruments to the EFIS ? I know it's
the better
practice to have those, but are they required in experimental?
Curt
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| Subject: | Can Mircoair Transponder be installed in AC with battery |
| From: | "oakesje" <jill.oakes(at)umanitoba.ca> |
I have a Microair Transponder that i'd like to install in a Pietenpol that has
a 12 v battery to power a hand held radio, any suggestions or tips would be most
useful.
Jill
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423461#423461
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| Subject: | Instruments for Sale |
| From: | "Jeffd" <jdair(at)sbcglobal.net> |
UMA 1 1/4" Carb Air Temp and probe, used, color range marked for M-14, $75.
UMA 1 1/4" Fuel Pressure, used, color range marked for M-14, $75.
Electronics International M-1 Manifold Pressure, used, needs plastic hose barb
replaced on back of unit. $200.
Electronics International FL-2C dual Fuel Level, used, $195.
Can Email photos
Jeff
jdair(at)sbcglobal.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424124#424124
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| From: | Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Comm Radio Transmit Problem |
The Terra 760D comm radio in my Pazmany is getting harder for ATC to hear o
ver time. Last weekend, my home field tower controller couldn't even hear m
e when I was only 5 miles away.-=0A=0ASo I formed a plan to find the issu
e relating to my comm radio or the antenna. My plan was to remove antenna c
oax cable from Terra comm and connect it to my Icom portable radio then go
flying. If tower controller could hear me over the Icom without issue, the
problem most likely is in the Terra comm.=0A=0AFeeling good about my plan,
I went ahead and made the needed connections, including connecting Icom to
ship power. I also connected my headset directly to my Icom bypassing inter
com. I tested it with ground and got a "loud and clear" reply.-=0A=0AI th
en started the engine, listened to ATIS, then called ground to taxi. This t
ime the ground controller said he only received a transmit carrier. Thinkin
g it maybe noise from ship power, I connected Icom to its battery pack then
call ground, but the ground controller still could not hear me. I then tur
ned the master switch off, called ground again and received a "loud and cle
ar" reply. All of the above were done while the engine was still running.
=0A=0AI think the problem maybe in my charging system, most likely my alter
nator. But I have no idea what to do next to locate the problem. Any sugges
tion?=0A=0AThanks in advance,=0A=0ARobin Hou
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| Subject: | Re: Comm Radio Transmit Problem |
| From: | Francis Herr <fherr(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Hi Robin,
Not sure about your specific system; but, how old is your main battery?
My radios had some issues until I replaced the four year old (Concorde)
battery. Maybe the alternator could not keep the battery supplied with
enough volts and enough amps to run the on board system?
Suggestion: swap in a new battery and see if it works.
Francis
On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
The Terra 760D comm radio in my Pazmany is getting harder for ATC to
hear over time. Last weekend, my home field tower controller couldn't
even hear me when I was only 5 miles away.
So I formed a plan to find the issue relating to my comm radio or the
antenna. My plan was to remove antenna coax cable from Terra comm and
connect it to my Icom portable radio then go flying. If tower controller
could hear me over the Icom without issue, the problem most likely is in
the Terra comm.
Feeling good about my plan, I went ahead and made the needed
connections, including connecting Icom to ship power. I also connected
my headset directly to my Icom bypassing intercom. I tested it with
ground and got a "loud and clear" reply.
I then started the engine, listened to ATIS, then called ground to taxi.
This time the ground controller said he only received a transmit
carrier. Thinking it maybe noise from ship power, I connected Icom to
its battery pack then call ground, but the ground controller still could
not hear me. I then turned the master switch off, called ground again
and received a "loud and clear" reply. All of the above were done while
the engine was still running.
I think the problem maybe in my charging system, most likely my
alternator. But I have no idea what to do next to locate the problem.
Any suggestion?
Thanks in advance,
Robin Hou
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Comm Radio Transmit Problem |
The other side of the coin could be either alternator diode failed or
the alternator noise filter (capacitor/condenser) failed.
On 6/4/2014 4:49 PM, Francis Herr wrote:
> Hi Robin,
>
> Not sure about your specific system; but, how old is your main battery?
>
> My radios had some issues until I replaced the four year old
> (Concorde) battery. Maybe the alternator could not keep the battery
> supplied with enough volts and enough amps to run _the on board _system?
>
> Suggestion: swap in a new battery and see if it works.
>
> Francis
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote:
>
> The Terra 760D comm radio in my Pazmany is getting harder for ATC to
> hear over time. Last weekend, my home field tower controller couldn't
> even hear me when I was only 5 miles away.
>
> So I formed a plan to find the issue relating to my comm radio or the
> antenna. My plan was to remove antenna coax cable from Terra comm and
> connect it to my Icom portable radio then go flying. If tower
> controller could hear me over the Icom without issue, the problem most
> likely is in the Terra comm.
>
> Feeling good about my plan, I went ahead and made the needed
> connections, including connecting Icom to ship power. I also connected
> my headset directly to my Icom bypassing intercom. I tested it with
> ground and got a "loud and clear" reply.
>
> I then started the engine, listened to ATIS, then called ground to
> taxi. This time the ground controller said he only received a transmit
> carrier. Thinking it maybe noise from ship power, I connected Icom to
> its battery pack then call ground, but the ground controller still
> could not hear me. I then turned the master switch off, called ground
> again and received a "loud and clear" reply. All of the above were
> done while the engine was still running.
>
> I think the problem maybe in my charging system, most likely my
> alternator. But I have no idea what to do next to locate the problem.
> Any suggestion?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Robin Hou
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Avionics-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Avionics-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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>
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>
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| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Direction Indicator Needs |
6/10/2014
Hello Aeroelectric and Avionics Listers, I know that there are many
technically smart people on these lists and I would like to enlist your
assistance.
Picture this situation: There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of EAB
(Experimental Amateur Built) IFR capable aircraft flying around with
vacuum driven mechanical spinning mass gyroscopic attitude and
directional indicators. A large percentage of these builders and pilots
would like to (or need to) replace those indicators with something
electronic (other than expensive electrical motor driven mechanical
spinning mass gyroscopic) in nature and remove the entire vacuum system
from their EAB.
Replacing the attitude indicator does not appear to be a big problem in
meeting the requirement of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (8) =9CGyroscopic
pitch and bank indicator (artificial horizon)=9D since there are
several offerings available. Here are some:
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D6_intro.html
http://trutrakap.com/product/gemini-pfd/
http://www.grtavionics.com/mini.html
http://www.sandia.aero/?q=node/80
But there does not appear to be available an electronic directional
indicator that would meet the 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) criteria for a
=9CGyroscopic directional indicator (directional gyro or
equivalent)=9D if one believes that the Regulatory intended
direction to be indicated must indeed be the current aircraft magnetic
heading and not the current aircraft magnetic course (provided by GPS)
over the surface.
I feel that somewhere in the electronic magic that MEMS
<< https://www.memsnet.org/mems/what_is.html >>
and AHARS
<<
http://www.microstrain.com/inertial/3DM-GX3-25?gclid=CjgKEAjw2dqcBRC2q-
LXjpfxjnQSJAAeYF5LUC4gvWycBVg6DDW_mzzSdTyyF3q0yoQHrT6ij9VbvvD_BwE >>
represents there must be a practical, relatively inexpensive means of
creating a direction indicator that will meet the intended requirements
of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9). If so, I (and probably many others) would
like to buy one for my EAB airplane.
How about it experts (and entrepreneurs) are my desires hopeless and
unrealistic?
OC
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather and understand information."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Direction Indicator Needs |
6/10/2014
Hello Dj Merrill, Thanks for your quick response. You wrote: ".... an
external magnetometer box which gives magnetic heading
information to the EFIS."
1) See here for information on what constitutes a magnetometer:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/magnetometer-info.htm
If the heading that appears on the display, see here:
http://www.grtavionics.com/mini.html#Features
is simply the indication of a remotely located magnetometer (which is
available for the Mini-X and Mini-AP, but not the Mini-B) then I don't think
that will meet the intended requirement of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) criteria
for a Gyroscopic directional indicator (directional gyro or equivalent).
2) One other big downside of the Mini displays from GRT was GRT's failure to
package the units such that they could be readily installed in a standard
round nominally 3 inch instrument cut out hole where the old attitude
indicator resides. See here:
http://www.grtavionics.com/Mini%20Drawing%202.pdf
Needing to cut panel metal to install a Mini unit from GRT in an existing
panel raises the difficulty of a swap over significantly. Note that Sandia
recognized the significance of this issue and packaged the SAI 340 - Quattro
accordingly. See here:
http://www.sandia.aero/?q=system/files/SAI340BroR2Web.pdf
I am still searching.
OC
===================================================================
From: Dj Merrill
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Direction Indicator Needs
I am not familiar with the other brands, but the GRT EFIS units come
with an external magnetometer box which gives magnetic heading
information to the EFIS.
Is that what you are asking about?
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
================================================
On 06/10/2014 02:24 PM, Owen Baker wrote:
> But there does not appear to be available an electronic directional
> indicator that would meet the 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) criteria for a
> Gyroscopic directional indicator (directional gyro or equivalent) if
> one believes that the Regulatory intended direction to be indicated must
> indeed be the current aircraft magnetic heading and not the current
> aircraft magnetic course (provided by GPS) over the surface.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff Luckey <jluckey(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Direction Indicator Needs |
...is simply the indication of a remotely located magnetometer (which is
=0Aavailable for the Mini-X and Mini-AP, but not the Mini-B) then I don't t
hink =0Athat will meet the intended requirement of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) cr
iteria =0Afor a =9CGyroscopic directional indicator (directional gyro
or equivalent)=9D....=0A=0AI bet the magnetometer-driven heading ind
icator does satisfy the requirement.=C2- =0A=0A=0AThe reason the gyroscop
ic heading indicator is used is to get rid the lead/lag and dip issues asso
ciated with a magnetic compass.=C2- The modern EFIS units & their magneto
meter-based displays do not have these issues.=0A=0AThat's probably the rea
son for the "..or equivalent.." language in the reg.=0A=0A-Jeff=0A=0A=0A=0A
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:26 PM, Owen Baker wrote:=0A
et>=0A=0A6/10/2014=0A=0AHello Dj Merrill, Thanks for your quick response. Y
ou wrote: "....=C2- an =0Aexternal magnetometer box which gives magnetic
heading=0Ainformation to the EFIS."=0A=0A1) See here for information on wha
t constitutes a magnetometer:=0A=0Ahttp://science.howstuffworks.com/magneto
meter-info.htm=0A=0AIf the heading that appears on the display, see here:
=0A=0Ahttp://www.grtavionics.com/mini.html#Features=0A=0Ais simply the indi
cation of a remotely located magnetometer (which is =0Aavailable for the Mi
ni-X and Mini-AP, but not the Mini-B) then I don't think =0Athat will meet
the intended requirement of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) criteria =0Afor a
=9CGyroscopic directional indicator (directional gyro or equivalent)
=9D.=0A=0A2) One other big downside of the Mini displays from GRT was GRT's
failure to =0Apackage the units such that they could be readily installed
in a standard =0Around nominally 3 inch instrument cut out hole where the o
ld attitude =0Aindicator resides. See here:=0A=0Ahttp://www.grtavionics.com
/Mini%20Drawing%202.pdf=0A=0ANeeding to cut panel metal to install a Mini u
nit from GRT in an existing =0Apanel raises the difficulty of a swap over s
ignificantly. Note that Sandia =0Arecognized the significance of this issue
and packaged the SAI 340 - Quattro =0Aaccordingly. See here:=0A=0Ahttp://w
ww.sandia.aero/?q=system/files/SAI340BroR2Web.pdf=0A=0AI am still searchi
ng.=0A=0AOC=0A=0A===================
=========================0A
=0AFrom: Dj Merrill=0ASent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:34 PM=0ATo: aeroelectr
ic-list(at)matronics.com ; bakerocb(at)cox.net=0ASubject: Re: AeroElectric-List:
Direction Indicator Needs=0A=0AI am not familiar with the other brands, but
the GRT EFIS units come=0Awith an external magnetometer box which gives ma
gnetic heading=0Ainformation to the EFIS.=0A=0AIs that what you are asking
about?=0A=0A-Dj=0A=0A-- =0ADj Merrill - N1JOV - VP EAA Chapter 87=0ASportsm
an 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/=0AGlastar Flyer N8
66RH - http://deej.net/glastar/=0A=0A============
=============0A=0AOn 06/10/2014 02:24 PM, Owen Bake
r wrote:=0A> But there does not appear to be available an electronic direct
ional=0A> indicator that would meet the 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) criteria for
a=0A> =9CGyroscopic directional indicator (directional gyro or equiva
lent)=9D if=0A> one believes that the Regulatory intended direction t
o be indicated must=0A> indeed be the current aircraft magnetic heading and
not the current=0A> aircraft magnetic course (provided by GPS) over the su
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, L
========
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Direction Indicator Needs (Summary) |
6/12/2014
Hello Aeroelectric and Avionics Listers, On this subject back on
6/10/2014 I wrote:
=9CI know that there are many technically smart people on these
lists and I would like to enlist your assistance.
Picture this situation: There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of EAB
(Experimental Amateur Built) IFR capable aircraft flying around with
vacuum driven mechanical spinning mass gyroscopic attitude and
directional indicators. A large percentage of these builders and pilots
would like to (or need to) replace those indicators with something
electronic (other than expensive electrical motor driven mechanical
spinning mass gyroscopic) in nature and remove the entire vacuum system
from their EAB.=9D
and
=9CHow about it experts (and entrepreneurs) are my desires
hopeless and unrealistic?=9D
I want to now post what I have learned / concluded and express my
gratitude to the several people who responded:
1) The two best choices for replacing my previous vacuum driven attitude
gyro:
a) The Sandia SAI 340 Quattro. See here:
http://www.sandia.aero/?q=node/80
b) The Dynon EFIS-D6. See here:
http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D6_intro.html
2) The best choice for replacing my previous vacuum driven directional
gyro:
The MGL Avionics Velocity Singles Horizon / Compass. See here:
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/velocity_singles.html
Many thanks again for all that posted help and I would be willing to
discuss my choices if desired.
OC
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather and understand information."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken <kleh(at)dialupatcost.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Direction Indicator Needs (Summary) |
There is also the Trutrak gemini ADI series for a drop in 3" replacement
with gps track (not magnetic heading). These are rate sensing gyros so
they are a bit different than spinning gyro's. If you hold a pitch
attitude and there is an altitude change they function well. However
with no corresponding altitude change they gradually return to
displaying nose level. Not really a problem but if I decelerate very
very slowly I can get the nose quite high while the display still reads
a level flight attitude. Accordingly the gemini flashes an airpseed
warning when the speed gets low.
Similarly if you maintain a turn for a long time, the display will
gradually indicate wings level unless it has heading or track
information such as from a gps.
I would not expect the $500. MGL magnetic sensor and display to be a
satisfactory replacement for a directional gyro. I've never flown it but
the description says it won't be accurate during any turn unless you
upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS. I was surprised to
learn that in my location at 45*N lattitude, the magnetic vector is
tilted about 70 degrees below the horizon which makes attitude info
pretty much essential to simulate a gyro compass.
While it's as heavy as the removed vacuum pump, I've been running a
$25. junk table 28volt T&B for quite some time powered with a $5. dc-dc
converter on my 12 volt electrical system. Nothing like the noise from a
spinning gyro to remind me that the master is still on.
Ken
On 12/06/2014 1:21 PM, Owen Baker wrote:
> 6/12/2014
> Hello Aeroelectric and Avionics Listers, On this subject back on
> 6/10/2014 I wrote:
> I know that there are many technically smart people on these lists and
> I would like to enlist your assistance.
> Picture this situation: There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of EAB
> (Experimental Amateur Built) IFR capable aircraft flying around with
> vacuum driven mechanical spinning mass gyroscopic attitude and
> directional indicators. A large percentage of these builders and pilots
> would like to (or need to) replace those indicators with something
> electronic (other than expensive electrical motor driven mechanical
> spinning mass gyroscopic) in nature and remove the entire vacuum system
> from their EAB.
> and
> How about it experts (and entrepreneurs) are my desires hopeless and
> unrealistic?
> I want to now post what I have learned / concluded and express my
> gratitude to the several people who responded:
> 1) The two best choices for replacing my previous vacuum driven attitude
> gyro:
> a) The Sandia SAI 340 Quattro. See here:
> http://www.sandia.aero/?q=node/80
> b) The Dynon EFIS-D6. See here:
> http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D6_intro.html
> 2) The best choice for replacing my previous vacuum driven directional gyro:
> The MGL Avionics Velocity Singles Horizon / Compass. See here:
> http://www.mglavionics.com/html/velocity_singles.html
> Many thanks again for all that posted help and I would be willing to
> discuss my choices if desired.
> OC
> 'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
> gather and understand information."
>
> *
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Direction Indicator Needs (Summary) |
6/13/2015
Hello Ken, Thanks for your posting. You wrote:
1) There is also the Trutrak gemini ADI series for a drop in 3" replacement
with gps track (not magnetic heading).
I do not think that the units that provide only GPS track information, but
not stabilized magnetic heading information, meet the intended requirements
of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) Gyroscopic direction indicator (directional gyro
or equivalent)" for replacing my vacuum driven directional gyro.
A case in point: Suppose that ATC tells the pilot to Fly heading XXX. I
dont think that flying some very similar track instead will necessarily
result in immediate danger or a flight violation (if the ATC controller is
not happy with the movement of your aircraft he will most likely just issue
you a new heading to fly), but I dont think that flying a track instead of
a heading is what a conscientious pilot would want to do.
2) I would not expect the $500. MGL magnetic sensor and display to be a
satisfactory replacement for a directional gyro. I've never flown it but
the description says it won't be accurate during any turn unless you
upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS.
My comments:
a) You write: .... the description says it won't be accurate during any
turn unless you
upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS.
I can not find that information on the MGL web site. Can you please help me
find it?
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/velocity_singles.html
b) You write: .... the description says it won't be accurate during any
turn unless you
upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS.
I can not find any information on the MGL web site that states or implies
that there is any improvement or relationship between a lone SP-6 Sensor,
Tilt-compensated magnetic compass and the display of its heading information
and the heading information displayed from a lone SP-7 Sensor
Attitude indication and turn/bank indication.
c) Here is an extract from the MGL web site:
"Heading stability issues: You may find short term fluctuations of the
heading occurring. These tend to be very small and are typically less than
one
degree. This could still cause the heading to fluctuate occasionally by a
single degree. These fluctuations occur naturally
in the earths magnetic field and can also be caused by nearby electrical
equipment such as radios, lamps, electronic
instrumentation or computers, even the ignition systems of engines. The AV-2
is specifically designed for fast response
and thus may show residual fluctuations of the magnetic field that are
impossible to filter out without causing delays in the
update of the heading information."
I can understand that there exists different levels of heading stability and
instantaneous accuracy between the magnetic wet compass envisioned by 14 CFR
91.205 (b) (3) for VFR flight and a stabilized magnetic device that would
meet 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) for IFR flight to perfection so it may come down
to which device will meet both the intention of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9), but
not to perfection, and the individual pilot's needs.
d) You write: "I was surprised to learn that in my location at 45*N
lattitude, the magnetic vector is tilted about 70 degrees below the horizon
which makes attitude info pretty much essential to simulate a gyro compass."
Understand. How does one determine whether or not some stabilized magnetic
heading indication device indeed has attitude information incorporated at
all into providing more accurate and instantaneous magnetic heading
indication and to the level of that incorporation between the zero
stabilization of a wet compass and perfection?
3) "Nothing like the noise from a spinning gyro to remind me that the master
is still on."
Any time my master switch is on and the alternator is not putting out the
minimum acceptable voltage (such as after alternator failure or engine shut
down) the B&C voltage regulator in my system is flashing a light on my
instrument panel. See here:
http://www.bandc.biz/alternatorcontrollerregulator14vhomebuilt.aspx
Different strokes for different folks. Thanks again for your input.
OC
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gather
and understand information."
=============================================================
From: Ken <kleh(at)dialupatcost.ca>
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Direction Indicator Needs (Summary)
There is also the Trutrak gemini ADI series for a drop in 3" replacement
with gps track (not magnetic heading). These are rate sensing gyros so
they are a bit different than spinning gyro's. If you hold a pitch
attitude and there is an altitude change they function well. However
with no corresponding altitude change they gradually return to
displaying nose level. Not really a problem but if I decelerate very
very slowly I can get the nose quite high while the display still reads
a level flight attitude. Accordingly the gemini flashes an airpseed
warning when the speed gets low.
Similarly if you maintain a turn for a long time, the display will
gradually indicate wings level unless it has heading or track
information such as from a gps.
I would not expect the $500. MGL magnetic sensor and display to be a
satisfactory replacement for a directional gyro. I've never flown it but
the description says it won't be accurate during any turn unless you
upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS. I was surprised to
learn that in my location at 45*N lattitude, the magnetic vector is
tilted about 70 degrees below the horizon which makes attitude info
pretty much essential to simulate a gyro compass.
While it's as heavy as the removed vacuum pump, I've been running a
$25. junk table 28volt T&B for quite some time powered with a $5. dc-dc
converter on my 12 volt electrical system. Nothing like the noise from a
spinning gyro to remind me that the master is still on.
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 91.205 - NOT! |
6/13/2014
Hello Andy, Thanks for your response. You wrote: Why do you think that it
(91.205) does?
1) I agree, 91.205 does not normally apply to any aircraft that has a:
Special Airworthiness Certificate, Category/Designation: Experimental.
2) Such an aircraft is limited to VFR day only flight. See here:
"14 CFR 91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating
limitations.
(d) (2) Operate under VFR, day only, unless otherwise specifically
authorized by the Administrator;...."
3) However the entire context of the recent postings regarding the subject
Direction Indicator Needs has been for IFR flight by an aircraft that has a:
Special Airworthiness Certificate, Category/Designation: Experimental.
Purpose: To operate Amateur Built Aircraft. Operating Limitations Dated
XX/XX/XXXX Are Part Of This Certificate.
Note: The terminology and entries in 1 and 2 above are taken directly from
an issued FAA Form 8130-7 (10/82).
4) This below extract copied from the attached document states why 91.205
DOES APPLY for IFR or night flight for an aircraft certificated as in 3
above.(commonly referred to as an EAB (Experimental Amateur Built)
aircraft):
"The Special Airworthiness Certificate issued for each amateur built
experimental aircraft includes specific Operating Limitations. Per FAA
Order 8130.2G the Operating Limitations state: After completion of Phase I
flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument
flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR,
day only. The interpretation given this statement is that if the aircraft
is appropriately equipped in accordance with 91.205 then the VFR day
only limitation no longer applies and the aircraft can be flown at night
or under IFR in IMC."
4) If the EAB in question does not contain the above quoted Operating
Limitations extract then one must, as you say, look at the Operating
Limitations for that specific aircraft to see what does apply.
Please let me know if the above information does not clarify this issue.
Thanks,
OC
======================================================================
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: 91.205 - NOT!
It does not. In your list, 91.205 is the reference for nearly all
requirements. And most clearly, 91.205 does not apply to experimental
category aircraft. Why do you think that it does?
Andy
==================================================================
From: Owen Baker [mailto:bakerocb(at)cox.net]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 5:15 AM
Subject: 91.205 - NOT!
6/13/2014
Hello Andrew Eliot, Does the attached document help clarify things for you?
Thanks,
OC
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gather
and understand information."
========================================================================================
From: "Dr. Andrew Elliott" <a.s.elliott(at)cox.net>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: 91.205 - NOT!
Just a reminder to note that, as specifically stated in the heading
section, 14CFR 91.205 applies to, and only to, "Powered civil aircraft
with *standard* category U.S. airworthiness certificates". For the
larger number of us who are building/flying experimental category
aircraft, the applicable rules appear in your operating limits. The
recommendations in 91.205 are good guidelines, but it's your ops limits,
and the general requirement to have appropriate equipment to complete
the planned flight, that rule here.
Andy
------------------------
Andrew S Elliott, CFI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Ken <kleh(at)dialupatcost.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Direction Indicator Needs (Summary) |
Hi Owen
I agree that gps track does not equate to a gyro compass.
If you look in the manual
http://www.mglavionics.com/AV2.pdf
on page 10 you will see the definitions of the 2-D, 3D-A, and 3D-G
choices or operating modes.
The disadvantages column says "Cannot correctly compensate for tilt
during any form of turn due to centrifugal forces acting on the
accelerometers" That is for the 3D-A mode which is what you get with the
SP6 as far as I can tell.
The disadvantage column for the 3D-G (the best mode of operation with a
full AHRS) says "Can show very large errors if the horizon information
is invalid which could have a number of causes such as exceeding
operational limitations of the horizon system." I interpret this to mean
that you are back to the 3D-A mode if the attitude info is not available.
This is the same results I found in my little experiments with a 3D
magnetic sensor. The results were only useable when flying straight and
level. I'd expect much better results near the equator of course. Again
I have no experience with the MGL products but lacking actual
performance reports, I discounted purchasing the stand alone $500.
magnetic heading system for these reasons.
Ken
On 13/06/2014 10:03 AM, Owen Baker wrote:
>
> 6/13/2015
>
> Hello Ken, Thanks for your posting. You wrote:
>
> 1) There is also the Trutrak gemini ADI series for a drop in 3"
> replacement
> with gps track (not magnetic heading).
>
> I do not think that the units that provide only GPS track information,
> but not stabilized magnetic heading information, meet the intended
> requirements of 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) Gyroscopic direction indicator
> (directional gyro or equivalent)" for replacing my vacuum driven
> directional gyro.
>
> A case in point: Suppose that ATC tells the pilot to Fly heading XXX.
> I dont think that flying some very similar track instead will
> necessarily result in immediate danger or a flight violation (if the ATC
> controller is not happy with the movement of your aircraft he will most
> likely just issue you a new heading to fly), but I dont think that
> flying a track instead of a heading is what a conscientious pilot would
> want to do.
>
> 2) I would not expect the $500. MGL magnetic sensor and display to be a
> satisfactory replacement for a directional gyro. I've never flown it but
> the description says it won't be accurate during any turn unless you
> upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS.
>
> My comments:
>
> a) You write: .... the description says it won't be accurate during any
> turn unless you
> upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS.
>
> I can not find that information on the MGL web site. Can you please help
> me find it?
>
> http://www.mglavionics.com/html/velocity_singles.html
>
> b) You write: .... the description says it won't be accurate during any
> turn unless you
> upgrade to the substantially more expensive AHRS.
>
> I can not find any information on the MGL web site that states or
> implies that there is any improvement or relationship between a lone
> SP-6 Sensor,
> Tilt-compensated magnetic compass and the display of its heading
> information and the heading information displayed from a lone SP-7 Sensor
> Attitude indication and turn/bank indication.
>
> c) Here is an extract from the MGL web site:
>
> "Heading stability issues: You may find short term fluctuations of the
> heading occurring. These tend to be very small and are typically less
> than one
> degree. This could still cause the heading to fluctuate occasionally by
> a single degree. These fluctuations occur naturally
> in the earths magnetic field and can also be caused by nearby
> electrical equipment such as radios, lamps, electronic
> instrumentation or computers, even the ignition systems of engines. The
> AV-2 is specifically designed for fast response
> and thus may show residual fluctuations of the magnetic field that are
> impossible to filter out without causing delays in the
> update of the heading information."
>
> I can understand that there exists different levels of heading stability
> and instantaneous accuracy between the magnetic wet compass envisioned
> by 14 CFR 91.205 (b) (3) for VFR flight and a stabilized magnetic device
> that would meet 14 CFR 91.205 (d) (9) for IFR flight to perfection so it
> may come down to which device will meet both the intention of 14 CFR
> 91.205 (d) (9), but not to perfection, and the individual pilot's needs.
>
> d) You write: "I was surprised to learn that in my location at 45*N
> lattitude, the magnetic vector is tilted about 70 degrees below the
> horizon which makes attitude info pretty much essential to simulate a
> gyro compass."
>
> Understand. How does one determine whether or not some stabilized
> magnetic heading indication device indeed has attitude information
> incorporated at all into providing more accurate and instantaneous
> magnetic heading indication and to the level of that incorporation
> between the zero stabilization of a wet compass and perfection?
>
> 3) "Nothing like the noise from a spinning gyro to remind me that the
> master is still on."
>
> Any time my master switch is on and the alternator is not putting out
> the minimum acceptable voltage (such as after alternator failure or
> engine shut down) the B&C voltage regulator in my system is flashing a
> light on my instrument panel. See here:
>
> http://www.bandc.biz/alternatorcontrollerregulator14vhomebuilt.aspx
>
> Different strokes for different folks. Thanks again for your input.
>
> OC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Direction Indicator Needs (Summary) |
6/14/2014
Hello Ken, Thanks for your response.
1) I had written: =9CI can not find that information on the MGL
web site. Can you please help me find it?=9D
And that is exactly what you did when you wrote:
2) =9CIf you look in the manual http://www.mglavionics.com/AV2.pdf
on page 10 you will see the definitions of the 2-D, 3D-A, and 3D-G
choices or operating modes.=9D
and
=9DI discounted purchasing the stand alone $500. magnetic heading
system for these reasons.=9D
3) I agree completely with your analysis and greatly appreciate your
input.
If I want the degree of stabilization that I interpret that 14 CFR
91.205 (d) (9) =9CGyroscopic direction indicator
(directional gyro or equivalent)" intends then I must purchase:
a) The AV-2 AHRS Display (VELOCITY Series),
b) Both the SP-6 and SP-7 Sensors (Full AHRS),
c) And, if I intend to mount the two sensors in the same location, an
SP-2 / SP-4 Connector.
d) For a total cost of USD $1305 plus shipping.
This increased cost over my earlier posted solution of using just the
display and the SP-6 sensor causes me to reconsider the potential
solutions to my problem, but I can not yet rule out the MGL solution
because of the additional expense. (An addict will go to some extreme
lengths to feed his addiction.)
Thanks again for your inputs and I continue to welcome any inputs that
others may have.
OC
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to
gather
and understand information."
==
From: Ken <kleh(at)dialupatcost.ca>
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Direction Indicator Needs (Summary)
Hi Owen
I agree that gps track does not equate to a gyro compass.
If you look in the manual
http://www.mglavionics.com/AV2.pdf
on page 10 you will see the definitions of the 2-D, 3D-A, and 3D-G
choices or operating modes.
The disadvantages column says "Cannot correctly compensate for tilt
during any form of turn due to centrifugal forces acting on the
accelerometers" That is for the 3D-A mode which is what you get with the
SP6 as far as I can tell.
The disadvantage column for the 3D-G (the best mode of operation with a
full AHRS) says "Can show very large errors if the horizon information
is invalid which could have a number of causes such as exceeding
operational limitations of the horizon system." I interpret this to mean
that you are back to the 3D-A mode if the attitude info is not
available.
This is the same results I found in my little experiments with a 3D
magnetic sensor. The results were only useable when flying straight and
level. I'd expect much better results near the equator of course. Again
I have no experience with the MGL products but lacking actual
performance reports, I discounted purchasing the stand alone $500.
magnetic heading system for these reasons.
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Owen Baker " <bakerocb(at)cox.net> |
6/15/2014
Hello Listers, Andrew Elliott wrote: And most clearly, 91.205 does not
apply to experimental category aircraft. Why do you think that it does?
Please see the FAA Feb 2, 2009 letter available here:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2009/rourke-1%20-%20(2009)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf
This Feb 2, 2009 letter from the FAA explains why I think that 14 CFR 91.205
does apply to all EAB aircraft ever since change 3 to FAA Order 8130.2F**
was issued on 4/18/2007. The below copied explicit wording has been required
in every EAB Operating Limitations since 4/18/2007:
After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped
for night and/or instrument
flight in accordance with 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR,
day only.
Prior to 4/18/2007, starting at some date that I can not determine, the FAA
or DAR airworthiness inspectors were ordered to instruct the EAB aircraft
applicant regarding this requirement and to include the requirement in the
Operating Limitations, but no explicit wording was provided.
OC
'O C' Baker says "The best investment you can make is the effort to gather
and understand information."
**PS: The current version, FAA Order 8130.2G, dated 4/16/2011, with Change
1, dated 7/02/2012, contains that same wording.
=============================================================================
From: Dr. Andrew Elliott
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 8:38 AMSubject: RE: 91.205 - NOT!
It does not. In your list, 91.205 is the reference for nearly all
requirements. And most clearly, 91.205 does not apply to experimental
category aircraft. Why do you think that it does? Andy
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Collision avoidance |
| From: | "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> |
So I'm still thinking about putting my panel together and an avoidance system is
on my list. My gps and display are both dynon and so want something which will
integrate well with them. I have settled on the TRX-1500, which has been tested
with the dynon skyview system. I just wanted to know if anyone on the forum
has this set up or use the TRX-1500 or if you had about 1000ish what would
you buy? Many thanks Frank
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=425432#425432
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Shielding of audio signal wires, ARINC 129 wires |
According to the Garmin GNS430W installation manual, the audio output
wires should be shielded, with the shield grounded at one end. In
addition, the ARINC 129 should be shielded.
I bought a dynon d10a EFIS and pre-wired harness (before I learned how
easy it is to wire the connectors). In the pre-wired harness, the ARINC
129 wires are twisted together, but not shielded. Furthermore, I would
expect very little crosstalk at audio frequencies, so I wouldn't expect
much benefit from shielding the audio wires.
Does anyone have experience with these issues? Are shielded wires
really necessary?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COZY: Shielding of audio signal wires, ARINC 129 wires |
Yes you should use shielded wire, buy 2 or 3 conductor wire as needed since you
never use the shield as audio low AND you never ground the shield at both ends
even accidentally as Nick pointed out the need for insulating washers on the
headphone jacks if installed on a conductive panel. Typically the shields are
grounded at the audio panel. 'Lectric Bob has some great pics on his web site
on how to treat the shield grounds, daisy chain them and get them cleanly into
D-sub pins. You may also run into different terms for "audio low" among the
various mfg's.
Also, suggest you convert the shields to wire just out side the D-sub hood since
the completed bundle usually grows too big to fit inside the hood on the audio
panel end.
PSE once had a ppt. on their web site that that gave some good detail on how to
do this. I just looked and didn't see it but I believe I have a copy of it if
you want.
Tim Andres
> On Jun 25, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Alan Barnett wrote:
>
> According to the Garmin GNS430W installation manual, the audio output wires should
be shielded, with the shield grounded at one end. In addition, the ARINC
129 should be shielded.
>
> I bought a dynon d10a EFIS and pre-wired harness (before I learned how easy it
is to wire the connectors). In the pre-wired harness, the ARINC 129 wires are
twisted together, but not shielded. Furthermore, I would expect very little
crosstalk at audio frequencies, so I wouldn't expect much benefit from shielding
the audio wires.
>
> Does anyone have experience with these issues? Are shielded wires really necessary?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: COZY: Shielding of audio signal wires, ARINC 129 |
wires
Another perspective...
I can't directly address the ARINC issue, but for audio wires in
aircraft avionics, the shield is of minimal use, 99.9% of the time.
Without diving into physics, the basic idea is this: at the low (600
ohms) load impedance and even lower source impedance in avionics audio
circuits, the circuits are almost immune to electrostatic noise, and the
typical shield material will do nothing to stop electromagnetic noise.
(Some consumer audio circuits have load impedances as high as 50K ohms
and are much more susceptible to acting like an antenna to pick up
electrostatic noise.)
For both the audio and ARINC issues, consider that there are lots of
Dynon harnesses flying with Garmin radios. If there were real problems
with the lack of shields, I'm pretty sure that Dynon would have revised
their harness construction a long time ago.
I'd bet that Garmin's bean counters put the 'shield required'
phraseology in their manual. If they tell (at no cost to Garmin) all the
thousands of installers to run shielded cable, then if there is a single
installation where the shield, it has saved them a troubleshooting call.
No matter that it cost the consumers thousands (millions?) of dollars in
extra installation costs. Kinda like every caller to a company spending
20 minutes wandering through layer after layer of 'automated' call
menus, so the company doesn't have to pay one person to answer the phone
and route each call correctly in 10 seconds.
'Ground loops' (multiple ground paths) are a different issue; careful
attention to grounding techniques will do a LOT to minimize noise pickup
in the audio systems. That's the reason that mic/phone jacks should have
grounds that are isolated from the airframe, with grounds going only to
their parent device.
I think that a prowl around Bob's aeroelectric site will reveal
confirmation of the info above.
Charlie
On 6/25/2014 9:18 AM, Tim Andres wrote:
>
> Yes you should use shielded wire, buy 2 or 3 conductor wire as needed since you
never use the shield as audio low AND you never ground the shield at both ends
even accidentally as Nick pointed out the need for insulating washers on the
headphone jacks if installed on a conductive panel. Typically the shields
are grounded at the audio panel. 'Lectric Bob has some great pics on his web
site on how to treat the shield grounds, daisy chain them and get them cleanly
into D-sub pins. You may also run into different terms for "audio low" among
the various mfg's.
> Also, suggest you convert the shields to wire just out side the D-sub hood since
the completed bundle usually grows too big to fit inside the hood on the audio
panel end.
> PSE once had a ppt. on their web site that that gave some good detail on how
to do this. I just looked and didn't see it but I believe I have a copy of it
if you want.
> Tim Andres
>
>> On Jun 25, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Alan Barnett wrote:
>>
>> According to the Garmin GNS430W installation manual, the audio output wires
should be shielded, with the shield grounded at one end. In addition, the ARINC
129 should be shielded.
>>
>> I bought a dynon d10a EFIS and pre-wired harness (before I learned how easy
it is to wire the connectors). In the pre-wired harness, the ARINC 129 wires
are twisted together, but not shielded. Furthermore, I would expect very little
crosstalk at audio frequencies, so I wouldn't expect much benefit from shielding
the audio wires.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with these issues? Are shielded wires really necessary?
>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | King KX155 weak VOR reception |
| From: | "Jimmyb" <James(at)newazrealty.com> |
Hello all,
New member here! I'm having an issue that I wanted to share with some of the more
experienced members on here hoping to find a resolution.
I have two king KX-155 Nav/Coms one with GS and the other without GS installed
in a Glasair III with a single NAV antenna feeding both radios including GS via
a multiplexer. The NAV antenna is embedded in the horizontal stabilizer as
the Glasair is a composite aircraft. The NAV indicators are KI-209 and a KI-208.
Both indicators exhibit erratic needles when turning but only through a portion
of the turn (example: sometimes when intercepting a radial the needle will start
to move in and nearly be centered but as I roll out expecting to capture the
radial the needle suddenly moves three-quarter scale deflection. Also when
flying an ILS the GS flag pops in and out of view well down the approach when
the GS signal should be strong. All needles are not as stable as I think they
should be.
I recently had both radios checked out at the local avionics shop and they are
performing within specs.
The thought now is that I either have an antenna or a feedline issue. The multiplexer
currently has one open port that used to service a second glideslope receiver.
I've ordered a 50 ohm BNC terminator to cap the open port thinking
that I might be getting some reflections/interference that is causing the issue
but that has yet to be proven.
The aircraft was built in 1990 so all of the coax is original RG58. If the 50
ohm Terminator doesn't solve my problem the next logical step is to replace the
RG58 with RG400 but I'm starting to feel like I'm grasping at straws. With
no antenna analyzer/distance to fault meter I have no way to verify the condition
of the antenna/coax.
Questions:
1. Do you think it's likely that the open multiplexer port could be causing my
issues?
2. How likely is it that the old RG58 cable could be causing my issues?
3. Should I bite the bullet and buy an antenna analyzer such as the rigexpert AA
600?
NOTES: Because the NAV antenna is embedded in the horizontal stabilizer it is physically
impossible to access the antenna. The best that I can do will be to
replace the RG58 with RG400 but even at that there's will still be approximately
2 feet of the old RG 58 left that is inaccessible the so I will need to install
a BNC connector back near the tail to connect the old RG58 (short pigtail
that will still be connected to the antenna) with the new RG400.
Your ideas, tips & suggestions will be most appreciated!
James
Phoenix, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426590#426590
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Manual for Vision microsystems EPI-800 engine monitor |
Does anyone have a digital copy of the manual for the Vision
microsystems EPI-800 engine monitor? I bought a plane with an EPI-800
installed, but most of the installation manual was lost.
I'm particularly interested in the wiring associated with the
backlighting system. At present, the backlighting doesn't work at all.
It's supposed to sense the voltage on the lighting bus. My plane has no
lighting bus, and the builder disconnected the lighting wiring for the
VOR head and the transpondes, so I assume he disconnected wiring for the
EPI-800 as well.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | D L Josephson <dlj04(at)josephson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: King KX155 weak VOR reception |
On 7/13/14 11:58 PM, Avionics-List Digest Server wrote:
> *
>
>
> 1. Do you think it's likely that the open multiplexer port could be causing my
> issues?
It's possible, but not too likely to cause the severity of symptoms you
describe. You could eliminate the nav splitter by taking it out of the
circuit, connecting the antenna lead to one VOR or the GS only, and
seeing if the problem remains.
>
> 2. How likely is it that the old RG58 cable could be causing my issues?
Not likely, unless it has gotten mashed somewhere. More likely that a
connector or the termination between the antenna and the cable has
failed. I have 50 year old RG-58 that's still fine. There's no practical
difference between old RG-58 and LMR400 in your application -- there
will be more loss in the additional coax connectors than there is
difference in attenuation.
You could try an old vee dipole bolted on to the underside of the tail
as a test.
>
> 3. Should I bite the bullet and buy an antenna analyzer such as the rigexpert
AA
> 600?
Since you can't get to the antenna, no. An "antenna analyzer" will not
tell you whether you have an effective antenna, which may be very
different from 50 ohms but still work fine, or an open at the end of the
cable. A 50 ohm resistor at the end of tiny coax will look great but
won't be a very good antenna. The best comparative test will be with a
low power VOR/GS ramp tester.
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| Subject: | Re: King KX155 weak VOR reception |
| From: | "Jimmyb" <James(at)newazrealty.com> |
Re my interest in an antenna analyzer: I've been looking at some of the newer
units online (such as the Rigexpert AA-600) and it appears they have the capability
of testing the coax for faults (distance to fault) while connected to the
antenna. I wasn't thinking of replacing the RG58 with RG400 simply because
of the RG400 is a lower loss cable, rather I wanted to use the analyzer to check
the RG58 for faults. I would replace the RG58 with RG400 ONLY IF the RG58
is questionable (open, shorted, etc). This BTW may be a real possibility because
the existing cable makes some pretty tight bends under the panel. Also
using a tester such as the AA-600 would allow me to check the SWR of the antenna.
Thoughts?
--------
Jim
Phoenix, AZ
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426666#426666
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| From: | David Josephson <dlj04(at)josephson.com> |
| Subject: | Re: King KX155 weak VOR reception |
On 7/14/14 11:59 PM, Avionics-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> Re my interest in an antenna analyzer: I've been looking at some of
> the newer units online (such as the Rigexpert AA-600) and it appears
> they have the capability of testing the coax for faults (distance to
> fault) while connected to the antenna. I wasn't thinking of
> replacing the RG58 with RG400 simply because of the RG400 is a lower
> loss cable, rather I wanted to use the analyzer to check the RG58
> for faults. I would replace the RG58 with RG400 ONLY IF the RG58
> is questionable (open, shorted, etc). This BTW may be a real
> possibility because the existing cable makes some pretty tight bends
> under the panel. Also using a tester such as the AA-600 would
> allow me to check the SWR of the antenna.
>
> Thoughts?
My thoughts are that you really want to buy a new antenna analyzer.
Great, but only if you're willing to invest in the time needed to
understand what's going on. These things are not magic and can easily
produce numbers and graphs that can fool you if you don't know what
you're looking at. You do have the ability to make an S-parameter
measurement over a range of frequencies, and remote it to the end of a
characterized transmission line by the use of time gating so you can
actually measure the antenna separately from the coax -- this is a
powerful tool. Just prepare for a steep learning curve.
I don't know about the AA-600 specifically, I have always done this with
traditional lab equipment. I would suggest looking at the VNWA 3E
(sdr-kits.net) as an alternative to the AA-600. It's about the same
price, uses a PC for display, works up through DME/ATCRBS frequencies,
and is supported by lots of hams worldwide who use it for antenna
development.
Finally, no amount of electrical sleuthing will tell you whether the
antenna was an effective receive device as built. It may have a good 50
ohm match which is nearly irrelevant to its performance as a VOR/LOC/GS
antenna.
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| From: | Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COZY: Phantom audio return path (Narco 12MKE) |
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | WTB - 430W from someone upgrading |
Anyone out there planning to upgrade from a GNS430W to a GTN650/750 or IFD440/540?
Looking to upgrade to a GNS430W in a less expensive manner.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: WTB - 430W from someone upgrading |
| From: | DeWitt Whittington <dee.whittington(at)gmail.com> |
Yes, Ralph, My partner and I are considering installing a GNS430W in my
Cessna 172M. Checked out the used units at AirVenture this year.
Dee
DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
Richmond, VA
804-677-4849 iPhone
804-358-4333 Home
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Ralph E. Capen
wrote:
> recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>
>
> Anyone out there planning to upgrade from a GNS430W to a GTN650/750 or
> IFD440/540?
>
> Looking to upgrade to a GNS430W in a less expensive manner.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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| From: | GalvinNSPI(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: WTB - 430W from someone upgrading |
Try Tod Ott at Shanandoah Aviation in Va.He did great work for us at
remarkable prices.
Their email: _toddott(at)att.net_ (mailto:toddott(at)att.net) phone:
540-740-3949
In a message dated 9/10/2014 9:40:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dee.whittington(at)gmail.com writes:
Yes, Ralph, My partner and I are considering installing a GNS430W in my
Cessna 172M. Checked out the used units at AirVenture this year.
Dee
DeWitt (Dee) Whittington
Richmond, VA
804-677-4849 iPhone
804-358-4333 Home
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Ralph E. Capen <_recapen(at)earthlink.net_
(mailto:recapen(at)earthlink.net) > wrote:
--> Avionics-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
<_recapen(at)earthlink.net_ (mailto:recapen(at)earthlink.net) >
Anyone out there planning to upgrade from a GNS430W to a GTN650/750 or
IFD440/540?
Looking to upgrade to a GNS430W in a less expensive manner.
Thanks!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
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and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
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This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
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These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web
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I would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their generous
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Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund
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Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
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too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
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Thank you in advance for your generous support!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
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Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
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these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
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Best regards,
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
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too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
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Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94551-0347
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
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I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
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related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Catalin <catalin_petrisor7(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Avionics-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/15/14 |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that elk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning,
maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser
each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the
operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory.
Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Behind By 20% - Please Contribute Today! |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year
is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 20%. Please take this
opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members
don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do
that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot
of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
Dear Listers,
There's just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Giving Thanks - Your List Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Giving Thanks - Your List Contribution... |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left! - Still Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. We are still
way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions and total contribution
amount. I really want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt
community, but it take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep
pockets to keep the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the
Fund Raiser that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
Dear Listers,
There's just two more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly
thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 51, so don't reminde me! :-) But it also means that it's that last official
day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about
picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump
on it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Icom a210 display problems |
| From: | "Rebel56" <Rebel56(at)rogers.com> |
Less than 30 hours on unit, but out of warranty. Radio works well for a while,
then without warning display will dim then disappear. Dial lights are still on
and can transmit and receive but nothing showing on display. Have already replaced
the ribbon cable.. No problem for 10 hours of flying, then problem started
again. Power off and on works sometimes, but most times display does not light
up. Even tried turning dimmer function off.
Any ideas?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435602#435602
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| Subject: | Re: Icom a210 display problems |
| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Ship it to Icom with a letter explaining the issue. They are a whole lot better
to deal with than Garmin. I had a squelch issue on mine out of warranty they
fixed for a reasonable amount. IIRC shipping and repairs including a software
update was less than $100
Tim
> On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Rebel56 wrote:
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>
> Less than 30 hours on unit, but out of warranty. Radio works well for a while,
then without warning display will dim then disappear. Dial lights are still
on and can transmit and receive but nothing showing on display. Have already replaced
the ribbon cable.. No problem for 10 hours of flying, then problem started
again. Power off and on works sometimes, but most times display does not
light up. Even tried turning dimmer function off.
>
> Any ideas?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435602#435602
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| From: | Joe Dubner <jdubner(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Icom a210 display problems |
The A210 has an EL display and I would start by looking at the voltages supplied
to it. The service manual shows IC75, a BD9001F IC supplying 16V and IC2, an
NJM2307001 IC supplying 3V.
Email me if you'd like me to email you the service manual (a 10MB file).
--
Joe
RV-8A
Independence, OR
Rebel56 wrote, On 12/11/2014 12:36:
>
> Less than 30 hours on unit, but out of warranty. Radio works well for a while,
then without warning display will dim then disappear. Dial lights are still
on and can transmit and receive but nothing showing on display. Have already replaced
the ribbon cable.. No problem for 10 hours of flying, then problem started
again. Power off and on works sometimes, but most times display does not
light up. Even tried turning dimmer function off.
>
> Any ideas?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Icom a210 display problems |
| From: | "Rebel56" <Rebel56(at)rogers.com> |
Thanks Joe, but I am not that tech savvy. Best I can do is clean the basic contacts
and remove the ribbon cable, but beyond that I would be dangerous. [Shocked]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435618#435618
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| From: | C&K <yellowduckduo(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Icom a210 display problems |
Tim
Any chance they made the squelch more effective for you?
thanks
Ken
On 11/12/2014 4:36 PM, Tim Andres wrote:
>
> Ship it to Icom with a letter explaining the issue. They are a whole lot better
to deal with than Garmin. I had a squelch issue on mine out of warranty they
fixed for a reasonable amount. IIRC shipping and repairs including a software
update was less than $100
> Tim
>
>
>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Rebel56 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Less than 30 hours on unit, but out of warranty. Radio works well for a while,
then without warning display will dim then disappear. Dial lights are still
on and can transmit and receive but nothing showing on display. Have already
replaced the ribbon cable.. No problem for 10 hours of flying, then problem started
again. Power off and on works sometimes, but most times display does not
light up. Even tried turning dimmer function off.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435602#435602
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| Subject: | Re: Icom a210 display problems |
| From: | Tim Andres <tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Yes, the issue I had was continuous open squelch, they said it was in spec but
tightened it up for me. I bought it from a shop in Canada, then when I needed
service shipped it to Icom America. That was a mistake evidently, somehow they
are two separate entities and could not/would not warrant it. Wasn't too happy
about, but still least the charge was reasonable. Seems like it was $35, then
shipping both ways.
Tim
> On Dec 11, 2014, at 6:08 PM, C&K wrote:
>
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> Tim
> Any chance they made the squelch more effective for you?
> thanks
> Ken
>
>> On 11/12/2014 4:36 PM, Tim Andres wrote:
>>
>> Ship it to Icom with a letter explaining the issue. They are a whole lot better
to deal with than Garmin. I had a squelch issue on mine out of warranty they
fixed for a reasonable amount. IIRC shipping and repairs including a software
update was less than $100
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Rebel56 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Less than 30 hours on unit, but out of warranty. Radio works well for a while,
then without warning display will dim then disappear. Dial lights are still
on and can transmit and receive but nothing showing on display. Have already
replaced the ribbon cable.. No problem for 10 hours of flying, then problem started
again. Power off and on works sometimes, but most times display does not
light up. Even tried turning dimmer function off.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435602#435602
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2014 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
"Airport Courtesy Cars" is a new Google Play/Apple iPhone app that lists over 1100
airports nationwide that have crew/courtesy cars. Make sure you search for
it in the phone store, as searching from a tablet won't work. You can load
it on an iPad by changing the search function in the app store from iPad apps
to iPhone apps.You can dial the listing directly from the app to see if a car
is available. If you have a listing that I missed, or a correction, you can email
me via the app, or to airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks for looking. Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Driver
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436565#436565
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/appcoverpage_173.png
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Anything for us in the android world?
On 1/3/2015 1:48 PM, gbrasch wrote:
>
> "Airport Courtesy Cars" is a new Google Play/Apple iPhone app that lists over
1100 airports nationwide that have crew/courtesy cars. Make sure you search
for it in the phone store, as searching from a tablet won't work. You can load
it on an iPad by changing the search function in the app store from iPad apps
to iPhone apps.You can dial the listing directly from the app to see if a car
is available. If you have a listing that I missed, or a correction, you can
email me via the app, or to airportcars101(at)gmail.com. Thanks for looking. Glenn
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Flying
> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
> Medevac Helicopter Driver
> Tucson, Arizona
> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
> www.RVairspace.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436565#436565
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/appcoverpage_173.png
>
>
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| From: | "Sacha" <uuccio(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | New (Free) Aviation App |
Charles,
I may be wrong but I believe that Google Play is the same as Android.
Sacha
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
England
Sent: Saturday, 03 January, 2015 16:43
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: New (Free) Aviation App
-->
Anything for us in the android world?
On 1/3/2015 1:48 PM, gbrasch wrote:
>
> "Airport Courtesy Cars" is a new Google Play/Apple iPhone app that
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
uuccio(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Charles,
> I may be wrong but I believe that Google Play is the same as Android.
> Sacha
>
> --
It is, Google Play is Android devices.
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436598#436598
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
On 1/3/2015 9:49 PM, gbrasch wrote:
>
>
> uuccio(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> Charles,
>> I may be wrong but I believe that Google Play is the same as Android.
>> Sacha
>>
>> --
>
> It is, Google Play is Android devices.
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Flying
> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
> Tucson, Arizona
> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
> www.RVairspace.com
Duh...
All I saw were the references to iphone, ipad, app store. Totally missed
the 'Google Play' reference in the 1st line.
Thanks,
Charlie
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
>> It is, Google Play is Android devices.
>>
>> --------
>> Glenn Brasch
>> RV-9A Flying
>> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
>> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
>> Tucson, Arizona
>> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart
>> Phone App
>> www.RVairspace.com
>
> Duh...
>
> All I saw were the references to iphone, ipad, app store. Totally
> missed the 'Google Play' reference in the 1st line.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
So, next question:
Why does an app that simply lists which airports have courtesy cars,
need access to everything in my phone? Why do you need my identity, my
schedule, my contacts, my phone, my pictures, my location, my camera,
and my device ID/call info?
Or is it just that you *want* all that info?
Not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I would like to have
some confidence that it isn't the Trojan version.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Charlie, where are you seeing this? I installed the app and used it, and under
the privacy settings on my iPhone, I went into photos, contacts, calendar, and
others, and I don't see that it has access to any of that.
Tim
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>
>
>>> It is, Google Play is Android devices.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Glenn Brasch
>>> RV-9A Flying
>>> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
>>> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
>>> Tucson, Arizona
>>> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
>>> www.RVairspace.com
>>
>> Duh...
>>
>> All I saw were the references to iphone, ipad, app store. Totally missed the
'Google Play' reference in the 1st line.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
> So, next question:
> Why does an app that simply lists which airports have courtesy cars, need access
to everything in my phone? Why do you need my identity, my schedule, my contacts,
my phone, my pictures, my location, my camera, and my device ID/call info?
>
> Or is it just that you *want* all that info?
>
> Not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I would like to have some confidence
that it isn't the Trojan version.
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
In Android, the Google Play Store shows you everything that the app can
access before you execute installation. Apparently the little i doesn't
protect its users as well as it pretends.
Charlie
On 1/4/2015 7:21 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Charlie, where are you seeing this? I installed the app and used it, and under
the privacy settings on my iPhone, I went into photos, contacts, calendar, and
others, and I don't see that it has access to any of that.
> Tim
>
>
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> It is, Google Play is Android devices.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Glenn Brasch
>>>> RV-9A Flying
>>>> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
>>>> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
>>>> Tucson, Arizona
>>>> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
>>>> www.RVairspace.com
>>> Duh...
>>>
>>> All I saw were the references to iphone, ipad, app store. Totally missed the
'Google Play' reference in the 1st line.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>> So, next question:
>> Why does an app that simply lists which airports have courtesy cars, need access
to everything in my phone? Why do you need my identity, my schedule, my contacts,
my phone, my pictures, my location, my camera, and my device ID/call
info?
>>
>> Or is it just that you *want* all that info?
>>
>> Not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I would like to have some
confidence that it isn't the Trojan version.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | Stephen Johns <sjohns09(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Question about the Z-19 Electrical Schematic |
Hi Bob,
I have mostly completed wiring up my Titan T-51 Mustang using your
schematic Z-19. "Dual Battery, Single Alternator, Electronically
Controlled Fuel Injection Engine".
I have a question regarding the fuses leading from the Main and the
Engine Battery buses to the Diode bridge for the fuel pumps.
My pumps require a 20A Circuit Protection. If I place a 20A Circuit
Breaker on both of the buses as shown in the drawings, I have 20A
protection if I am using only one battery path.
In normal operation however, I will have the dual pathway activated and
as far as I can tell this means that the fuel pump would need to pull
over 40A before the circuit breakers would trip?
If I address this situation by using two 10A Circuit breakers and then
one of the batteries drops out, I would have a situation where the pump
could trip the circuit breaker at 10A which is well before the specified
limit.
I expect that I am just reading the schematic wrong or my DC theory is
off. Can you help me out please?
Steve
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
I think you're wrong. Any app that gets access on iPhone ASKS for access. Then
it shows up in the privacy settings. If you want to revoke it, after you opted
in, because all privacy breaking features are opt-in only, then it shows up
in the list. Sounds to me more like its the Android side that may have the
issues with privacy settings and that app.
Tim
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>
> In Android, the Google Play Store shows you everything that the app can access
before you execute installation. Apparently the little i doesn't protect its
users as well as it pretends.
>
> Charlie
>
>> On 1/4/2015 7:21 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> Charlie, where are you seeing this? I installed the app and used it, and under
the privacy settings on my iPhone, I went into photos, contacts, calendar,
and others, and I don't see that it has access to any of that.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> It is, Google Play is Android devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Glenn Brasch
>>>>> RV-9A Flying
>>>>> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
>>>>> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
>>>>> Tucson, Arizona
>>>>> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
>>>>> www.RVairspace.com
>>>> Duh...
>>>>
>>>> All I saw were the references to iphone, ipad, app store. Totally missed the
'Google Play' reference in the 1st line.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>> So, next question:
>>> Why does an app that simply lists which airports have courtesy cars, need access
to everything in my phone? Why do you need my identity, my schedule, my
contacts, my phone, my pictures, my location, my camera, and my device ID/call
info?
>>>
>>> Or is it just that you *want* all that info?
>>>
>>> Not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I would like to have some
confidence that it isn't the Trojan version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
Hmmm... you may be right; I don't have an i device right now to check it
on. But I do know that many android apps *don't* require access to areas of
the phone that they don't need. Might have been a simple programming
oversight when the app was written, but there's no valid reason for this
type of app to need access to the entire phone just to display a more or
less fixed list that, I assume, exists in the cloud. Speaking of which,
does the app actually download the list to the phone so you can see it
offline, or do you need a wifi/cell connection to see it?
Thanks,
Charlie
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I think you're wrong. Any app that gets access on iPhone ASKS for
> access. Then it shows up in the privacy settings. If you want to revoke
> it, after you opted in, because all privacy breaking features are opt-in
> only, then it shows up in the list. Sounds to me more like its the Android
> side that may have the issues with privacy settings and that app.
> Tim
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Charlie England
> wrote:
> >
> ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > In Android, the Google Play Store shows you everything that the app can
> access before you execute installation. Apparently the little i doesn't
> protect its users as well as it pretends.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> >> On 1/4/2015 7:21 PM, Tim Olson wrote:
> >>
> >> Charlie, where are you seeing this? I installed the app and used it,
> and under the privacy settings on my iPhone, I went into photos, contacts,
> calendar, and others, and I don't see that it has access to any of that.
> >> Tim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Charlie England
> wrote:
> >>>
> ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> It is, Google Play is Android devices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------
> >>>>> Glenn Brasch
> >>>>> RV-9A Flying
> >>>>> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
> >>>>> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
> >>>>> Tucson, Arizona
> >>>>> Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars"
> Smart Phone App
> >>>>> www.RVairspace.com
> >>>> Duh...
> >>>>
> >>>> All I saw were the references to iphone, ipad, app store. Totally
> missed the 'Google Play' reference in the 1st line.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlie
> >>> So, next question:
> >>> Why does an app that simply lists which airports have courtesy cars,
> need access to everything in my phone? Why do you need my identity, my
> schedule, my contacts, my phone, my pictures, my location, my camera, and
> my device ID/call info?
> >>>
> >>> Or is it just that you *want* all that info?
> >>>
> >>> Not trying to look a gift horse in the mouth, but I would like to have
> some confidence that it isn't the Trojan version.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
I just launched it with no wifi or LTE/Cellular Data and the app does
load but the map page doesn't come up, so the map function doesn't
appear to cache anything. But, it still lets you go under
states and see a list of airports and cars. So it may be much
less convenient without a connection, but it appears to still be
useable. (This is the iphone version)
Tim
On 1/5/2015 7:46 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> Hmmm... you may be right; I don't have an i device right now to check it
> on. But I do know that many android apps *don't* require access to areas
> of the phone that they don't need. Might have been a simple programming
> oversight when the app was written, but there's no valid reason for this
> type of app to need access to the entire phone just to display a more or
> less fixed list that, I assume, exists in the cloud. Speaking of which,
> does the app actually download the list to the phone so you can see it
> offline, or do you need a wifi/cell connection to see it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Delta-Pop ADS-B antenna placement |
Having purchased the NavWorx ADS600B and Delta-Pop antenna, I'm trying to figure
out where to install the antenna....
Since the Delta-Pop is a blade-type antenna, it will need to be mounted along the
fuselage direction of flight axis. There are a couple of places where bulkheads
mount to the bottom skin and are aligned correctly. I'm thinking of taking
advantage of one of these bulkheads instead of mounting a doubler plate to
the underside.
Thoughts please?
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 "Patience" 240 hrs....
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| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | Delta-Pop ADS-B antenna placement |
That should work fine. The one behind the baggage bulkhead is off-center a bit
if that's important. I'm getting ready to mount the NavWorx UAT and GPS antennas
on my Navion and both will need to be off the centerline due to skin lap joints.
If you don't have an autopilot pitch servo already make sure you leave mount
it far enough aft to leave room for one near the bellcrank.
You could also put it under the baggage pushrod cover. You'd probably need to offset
it for the cable to clear the pushrod. I don't remember if the flanges go
inboard or outboard so you might need the doubler unless the other baggage floor
panels are removable. That's a shorter cable run and one less bulkhead to
penetrate.
Regards,
Greg Young
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:44 AM
Subject: Avionics-List: Delta-Pop ADS-B antenna placement
-->
Having purchased the NavWorx ADS600B and Delta-Pop antenna, I'm trying to figure
out where to install the antenna....
Since the Delta-Pop is a blade-type antenna, it will need to be mounted along the
fuselage direction of flight axis. There are a couple of places where bulkheads
mount to the bottom skin and are aligned correctly. I'm thinking of taking
advantage of one of these bulkheads instead of mounting a doubler plate to
the underside.
Thoughts please?
Thanks,
Ralph
RV6A N822AR @ N06 "Patience" 240 hrs....
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| From: | Doug McNutt <douglist(at)macnauchtan.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Delta-Pop ADS-B antenna placement |
On 01/20/2015 12:37 PM, bigdog(at)bentwing.com wrote:
>
> That should work fine. The one behind the baggage bulkhead is off-center a bit
if that's important. I'm getting ready to mount the NavWorx UAT and GPS antennas
on my Navion and both will need to be off the centerline due to skin lap
joints. If you don't have an autopilot pitch servo already make sure you leave
mount it far enough aft to leave room for one near the bellcrank.
>
> You could also put it under the baggage pushrod cover. You'd probably need to
offset it for the cable to clear the pushrod. I don't remember if the flanges
go inboard or outboard so you might need the doubler unless the other baggage
floor panels are removable. That's a shorter cable run and one less bulkhead
to penetrate.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:44 AM
> To: rv-list; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Avionics-List: Delta-Pop ADS-B antenna placement
>
> -->
>
> Having purchased the NavWorx ADS600B and Delta-Pop antenna, I'm trying to figure
out where to install the antenna....
>
> Since the Delta-Pop is a blade-type antenna, it will need to be mounted along
the fuselage direction of flight axis. There are a couple of places where bulkheads
mount to the bottom skin and are aligned correctly. I'm thinking of taking
advantage of one of these bulkheads instead of mounting a doubler plate
to the underside.
>
> Thoughts please?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> RV6A N822AR @ N06 "Patience" 240 hrs....
Hmmm...
ADS-B is telling others where you are. ADS-B OUT and ADS-B IN are
supposed to be transmitted and read by aircraft for collision avoidance..
I once had the job of converting electronics in a couple of army Cessna
337's - the front and rear engined beast. There were being returned from
Vietnam and turned over to the FBI for use at home.
The equipment in them was military including things like TACAN and, of
course they used transponders in mode B, the secret identification
friend or foe. All of the interesting stuff had been removed.
But installing the new transponder was a problem. I couldn't find the
L-band antenna that I knew was there. A friend found a funny antenna on
top of the cabin which turned out to be what I was looking for. Why on
top ?? Well, thinking about it the 337's were low flying beasts that
were spotting for the F4's and B52's above and that's what the
transponders were for.
Now we have ADS-B and not only the ground based radar sets will be
looking. It will likely become common for ADS-B IN, in larger, faster,
and higher flying airplanes, to depend on reading your ADS-OUT
information in a way that can be independent of ground facilities.
How long will it be before the instructions get changed about antenna
locations? Will we need two of them?
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for installation
in my RV6A - already have the gear
The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they reference an
"extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the SL70. I have
the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no reference to programming
either of these functions.
What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
Thanks,
Ralph
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| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
I'm in the process of installing that config in my Navion. I'm tying into my SL-70,
430W and MX-20. I hope to pull the harness this weekend and complete the
physical part of the installation. Then comes the panel diving to hook it up.
I don't recall a reference to those modes but the SL-70 came in both panel mount
and remote mount versions. I'll have to check the manual to see if that's what
it means. I also plan to put the NavWorx in my RV which also has an SL-70
and 430w but I want to get it flying first. I'm seeing light at the end of the
tunnel and have decreed "no more changes".
Regards,
Greg Young
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for installation
in my RV6A - already have the gear
The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they reference an
"extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the SL70. I have
the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no reference to programming
either of these functions.
What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
Thanks,
Ralph
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
Cross-posted to make sure everyone can see responses.....
I was initially asking them about the differences between connecting pins 3 and
5 of the SL70 to pins 32 and 33 of the ADS600B for control versus connecting
pins 3 and 5 of the SL70 to pins 6 and 7 of the ADS600B for altitude data.
Their initial response indicated that I only need 3 and 5 to 32 and 33 as that
connection will pass control and data messages. They followed up with indicating
extended mode or remote mode were also required - I haven't been able to get
a direct response to that question. I sent them pdf's of the SL70 install
and user guides - my Navworx manual is rev 33 (guessing from the part number)
- it doesn't have any references to remote mode for the SL70...but it does reference
a remote mode for the GNS480 and GTX330 units. There is a remote ident
supress feature common to the ADS600B (pin 35) and the SL70 (pin 19), which NavWorx
recommended to connect also.
>From reading everyone's manuals, my gut tells me that connecting pins 3, 5, and
19 of the SL70 to pins 32, 33, and 35 (respectively) of the ADS600B is all that
is required....no 'programming' in the SL70 - but there are settings in the
ADS600B.... This is how I'm planning my installation - unless I get additional/contrary
guidance from NavWorx.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>Sent: Feb 4, 2015 6:54 PM
>To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>
>I've got Rev. 33 of the NavWorx install manual and can't find any reference to
extended and remote modes. Where did you find the reference to programming the
SL-70?
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bigdog(at)bentwing.com
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:16 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>-->
>
>I'm in the process of installing that config in my Navion. I'm tying into my SL-70,
430W and MX-20. I hope to pull the harness this weekend and complete the
physical part of the installation. Then comes the panel diving to hook it up.
I don't recall a reference to those modes but the SL-70 came in both panel mount
and remote mount versions. I'll have to check the manual to see if that's
what it means. I also plan to put the NavWorx in my RV which also has an SL-70
and 430w but I want to get it flying first. I'm seeing light at the end of the
tunnel and have decreed "no more changes".
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM
>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list
>Subject: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>
>
>Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for installation
in my RV6A - already have the gear
>
>The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they reference an
"extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the SL70. I
have the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no reference to programming
either of these functions.
>
>What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
Greg,
I have similar equipment (420W instead of 430W) in my 6A.
>From what I have read in everyone's manuals, the position out from the 400W/500W
series does not carry the same formatting (message number) that the NavWorx
box is expecting (even though it is a standard ARINC message) - so plan on the
additional GPS antenna for the NavWorx box and don't waste your time trying
to get position data out of the 400W/500W series units.
Since the MX20 will take in both traffic and weather data streams from the ADS600B
and the 400W/500W series will only take traffic, I am seriously considering
NOT burdening the 400W/500W box's processor with the data stream.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com>
>Sent: Feb 4, 2015 6:15 PM
>To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com" , "avionics-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>
>I'm in the process of installing that config in my Navion. I'm tying into my SL-70,
430W and MX-20. I hope to pull the harness this weekend and complete the
physical part of the installation. Then comes the panel diving to hook it up.
I don't recall a reference to those modes but the SL-70 came in both panel mount
and remote mount versions. I'll have to check the manual to see if that's
what it means. I also plan to put the NavWorx in my RV which also has an SL-70
and 430w but I want to get it flying first. I'm seeing light at the end of the
tunnel and have decreed "no more changes".
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM
>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list
>Subject: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>
>
>Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for installation
in my RV6A - already have the gear
>
>The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they reference an
"extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the SL70. I
have the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no reference to programming
either of these functions.
>
>What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard DeWitt" <radrv6(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
I installed my NavWorx last summer,and have no idea what you are talking
about. Mine is using the Wi Fi dongle to transmit to my Ipad. Suggest
calling the factory and talking with Bethany Bunin, she is very sharp and
was always helpful with all my questions. When she say's "I'll find out" -
she WILL.
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 6:27 AM
Subject: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
Cross-posted to make sure everyone can see responses.....
I was initially asking them about the differences between connecting pins 3
and 5 of the SL70 to pins 32 and 33 of the ADS600B for control versus
connecting pins 3 and 5 of the SL70 to pins 6 and 7 of the ADS600B for
altitude data.
Their initial response indicated that I only need 3 and 5 to 32 and 33 as
that connection will pass control and data messages. They followed up with
indicating extended mode or remote mode were also required - I haven't been
able to get a direct response to that question. I sent them pdf's of the
SL70 install and user guides - my Navworx manual is rev 33 (guessing from
the part number) - it doesn't have any references to remote mode for the
SL70...but it does reference a remote mode for the GNS480 and GTX330 units.
There is a remote ident supress feature common to the ADS600B (pin 35) and
the SL70 (pin 19), which NavWorx recommended to connect also.
>From reading everyone's manuals, my gut tells me that connecting pins 3, 5,
>and 19 of the SL70 to pins 32, 33, and 35 (respectively) of the ADS600B is
>all that is required....no 'programming' in the SL70 - but there are
>settings in the ADS600B.... This is how I'm planning my installation -
>unless I get additional/contrary guidance from NavWorx.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>Sent: Feb 4, 2015 6:54 PM
>To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>
>I've got Rev. 33 of the NavWorx install manual and can't find any reference
>to extended and remote modes. Where did you find the reference to
>programming the SL-70?
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>bigdog(at)bentwing.com
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:16 PM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>-->
>
>I'm in the process of installing that config in my Navion. I'm tying into
>my SL-70, 430W and MX-20. I hope to pull the harness this weekend and
>complete the physical part of the installation. Then comes the panel diving
>to hook it up. I don't recall a reference to those modes but the SL-70 came
>in both panel mount and remote mount versions. I'll have to check the
>manual to see if that's what it means. I also plan to put the NavWorx in my
>RV which also has an SL-70 and 430w but I want to get it flying first. I'm
>seeing light at the end of the tunnel and have decreed "no more changes".
>
>Regards,
>Greg Young
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM
>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list
>Subject: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>
>
>Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for
>installation in my RV6A - already have the gear
>
>The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they reference
>an "extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the
>SL70. I have the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no reference
>to programming either of these functions.
>
>What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
Thanks - a phone call may be in order.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard DeWitt <radrv6(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Feb 5, 2015 9:46 AM
>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>
>I installed my NavWorx last summer,and have no idea what you are talking
>about. Mine is using the Wi Fi dongle to transmit to my Ipad. Suggest
>calling the factory and talking with Bethany Bunin, she is very sharp and
>was always helpful with all my questions. When she say's "I'll find out" -
>she WILL.
>Richard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 6:27 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com ; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>
>
>Cross-posted to make sure everyone can see responses.....
>
>I was initially asking them about the differences between connecting pins 3
>and 5 of the SL70 to pins 32 and 33 of the ADS600B for control versus
>connecting pins 3 and 5 of the SL70 to pins 6 and 7 of the ADS600B for
>altitude data.
>
>Their initial response indicated that I only need 3 and 5 to 32 and 33 as
>that connection will pass control and data messages. They followed up with
>indicating extended mode or remote mode were also required - I haven't been
>able to get a direct response to that question. I sent them pdf's of the
>SL70 install and user guides - my Navworx manual is rev 33 (guessing from
>the part number) - it doesn't have any references to remote mode for the
>SL70...but it does reference a remote mode for the GNS480 and GTX330 units.
>There is a remote ident supress feature common to the ADS600B (pin 35) and
>the SL70 (pin 19), which NavWorx recommended to connect also.
>
>>From reading everyone's manuals, my gut tells me that connecting pins 3, 5,
>>and 19 of the SL70 to pins 32, 33, and 35 (respectively) of the ADS600B is
>>all that is required....no 'programming' in the SL70 - but there are
>>settings in the ADS600B.... This is how I'm planning my installation -
>>unless I get additional/contrary guidance from NavWorx.
>
>Ralph
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>>Sent: Feb 4, 2015 6:54 PM
>>To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com"
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>>
>>I've got Rev. 33 of the NavWorx install manual and can't find any reference
>>to extended and remote modes. Where did you find the reference to
>>programming the SL-70?
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>bigdog(at)bentwing.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:16 PM
>>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>>-->
>>
>>I'm in the process of installing that config in my Navion. I'm tying into
>>my SL-70, 430W and MX-20. I hope to pull the harness this weekend and
>>complete the physical part of the installation. Then comes the panel diving
>>to hook it up. I don't recall a reference to those modes but the SL-70 came
>>in both panel mount and remote mount versions. I'll have to check the
>>manual to see if that's what it means. I also plan to put the NavWorx in my
>>RV which also has an SL-70 and 430w but I want to get it flying first. I'm
>>seeing light at the end of the tunnel and have decreed "no more changes".
>>
>>Regards,
>>Greg Young
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM
>>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list
>>Subject: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>>
>>
>>Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for
>>installation in my RV6A - already have the gear
>>
>>The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they reference
>>an "extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the
>>SL70. I have the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no reference
>>to programming either of these functions.
>>
>>What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Richard DeWitt" <radrv6(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70 |
They are great people to work with !
RAD
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
Thanks - a phone call may be in order.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard DeWitt <radrv6(at)cox.net>
>Sent: Feb 5, 2015 9:46 AM
>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>
>I installed my NavWorx last summer,and have no idea what you are talking
>about. Mine is using the Wi Fi dongle to transmit to my Ipad. Suggest
>calling the factory and talking with Bethany Bunin, she is very sharp and
>was always helpful with all my questions. When she say's "I'll find out" -
>she WILL.
>Richard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 6:27 AM
>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com ; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Avionics-List: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>
>
>
>Cross-posted to make sure everyone can see responses.....
>
>I was initially asking them about the differences between connecting pins 3
>and 5 of the SL70 to pins 32 and 33 of the ADS600B for control versus
>connecting pins 3 and 5 of the SL70 to pins 6 and 7 of the ADS600B for
>altitude data.
>
>Their initial response indicated that I only need 3 and 5 to 32 and 33 as
>that connection will pass control and data messages. They followed up with
>indicating extended mode or remote mode were also required - I haven't been
>able to get a direct response to that question. I sent them pdf's of the
>SL70 install and user guides - my Navworx manual is rev 33 (guessing from
>the part number) - it doesn't have any references to remote mode for the
>SL70...but it does reference a remote mode for the GNS480 and GTX330 units.
>There is a remote ident supress feature common to the ADS600B (pin 35) and
>the SL70 (pin 19), which NavWorx recommended to connect also.
>
>>From reading everyone's manuals, my gut tells me that connecting pins 3,
>>5,
>>and 19 of the SL70 to pins 32, 33, and 35 (respectively) of the ADS600B is
>>all that is required....no 'programming' in the SL70 - but there are
>>settings in the ADS600B.... This is how I'm planning my installation -
>>unless I get additional/contrary guidance from NavWorx.
>
>Ralph
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>>Sent: Feb 4, 2015 6:54 PM
>>To: "rv-list(at)matronics.com"
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>>
>>I've got Rev. 33 of the NavWorx install manual and can't find any
>>reference
>>to extended and remote modes. Where did you find the reference to
>>programming the SL-70?
>>
>>Greg
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>bigdog(at)bentwing.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 5:16 PM
>>To: rv-list(at)matronics.com; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com"
>>-->
>>
>>I'm in the process of installing that config in my Navion. I'm tying into
>>my SL-70, 430W and MX-20. I hope to pull the harness this weekend and
>>complete the physical part of the installation. Then comes the panel
>>diving
>>to hook it up. I don't recall a reference to those modes but the SL-70
>>came
>>in both panel mount and remote mount versions. I'll have to check the
>>manual to see if that's what it means. I also plan to put the NavWorx in
>>my
>>RV which also has an SL-70 and 430w but I want to get it flying first. I'm
>>seeing light at the end of the tunnel and have decreed "no more changes".
>>
>>Regards,
>>Greg Young
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 3:54 PM
>>To: avionics-list(at)matronics.com; rv-list
>>Subject: RV-List: Navworx ADS600b and SL70
>>
>>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>>
>>
>>Anyone out there using this configuration? I am getting ready for
>>installation in my RV6A - already have the gear
>>
>>The navworx manual indicates it is a valid combination - but they
>>reference
>>an "extended mode" or "remote mode" that needs to be programmed in the
>>SL70. I have the SL70 manuals (install and user) and can find no
>>reference
>>to programming either of these functions.
>>
>>What say ye oh "been there, done that" t-shirt wearers?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | NavWorx / SL 70 -> Extended mode |
>From the folks at NavWorx - kudos to them for documenting this...I expect to find
it in a NavWorx manual update soon.
The SL70 IM is missing the instructions on how to configure it for extended mode.
On page 31 of the 2003 Garmin SL70 installation manual, Appendix E Serial Interface
Specification, there is reference/clue in the paragraph Message Definitions.
Messages are
divided into two groups, the Standard Message which is simply the pressure altitude
and system status and the Extended Message group which includes the squawk
code and all the other good stuff listed in Appendix E. The last sentence references
that this
is accomplished in the setup mode and saved in the EEPROM. What is missing is
exactly how to do this.
The procedure is as follows:
Reference page 12 of the 2003 Apollo SL70 Installation Manual Post Installation
Checkout
1.
Put the unit in setup mode:
A. To operate the SL70 in the setup mode hold down the IDENT and ALT
buttons while turning the power on
2.
Turn the large knob to the SL70 config page
a. This should be one click clockwise and change from set up to SL70 config
3.
Using the small knob:
a. Turn to ASRC This is the altitude source page
b. The two choices for altitude INPUT are gray or serial
i. Unless Navworx can update its software to run at 1200 baud, an
encoder capable of gray code and or a serial to gray code convertor such as
Dynon Manufactures will
need to be used to interface with the SL70. The SL70 will only accept altitude
data from an encoder at 1200 baud.
ii. So at this point assuming you use the serial to gray converter,
set the input to GRAY by:
1. Press the ident button the serial or gray field will start to
flash
2. Set to gray if not already indicating gray
3. Press ident again to set into the memory if the setting was changed,
if not proceed
4.
Turn the small knob one click to set the baud rate
a. To select and change the baud rate, press the ident button once, the
baud rate field will start to flash
b. To interface with the Navworx unit, at present, the baud rate will need
to be set to 9,600
c. Turn the small knob until 9600 in displayed and press the ident button
again to set into memory
5.
Here is what is missing from the manual Turn the small knob clockwise one click
to the next input screen
a. The next screen is the TX screen The TX is for the message transmit
format used on the serial port
b. There are two options Standard STD and Extended EXT
c. Press the ident button to highlight the field. It will start to flash
d. Turn the small knob to set the EXT into the field
e. Press the ident button again to set the field
6.
Cycle the SL70 power off and turn back on. The SL70 is good to go and should
now be set up to control the Navworx unit
a. Using the maintenance port on the Navworx, set the Input screen to SL70
and DB37 pin 33.
I have not verified this from a functionality standpoint yet. In my installation,
the SL70 port referenced above is currently being used to provide altitude
data to my MX20 - so I have a couple of if scenarios.....:
If the baud rate on the SL70 port is currently at 9600 and if my MX20 ignores the
extended stuff and parses out just the altitude, I'm OK by simply forking the
serial output to both the MX20 and the ADS600B.
Otherwise, if the MX20 is version 5.6 or later, it should take altitude data along
with the Lat/Long it is already receiving from the 420W and freeing up the
port for dedicated communication with the ADS600B.
I prefer the latter - but I'll take whatever I can get!
Hope this helps - and thanks again to the NavWorx crew!
Ralph
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | NavWorx / SL 70 -> Extended mode |
Thanks Ralph! The extended message makes sense. Luckily I'm using gray code in
the Navion but using the GRT as my encoder in the RV. I'll deal with that downstream
sometime. Thanks for the write-up.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 3:32 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: NavWorx / SL 70 -> Extended mode
-->
>From the folks at NavWorx - kudos to them for documenting this...I expect to find
it in a NavWorx manual update soon.
The SL70 IM is missing the instructions on how to configure it for extended mode.
On page 31 of the 2003 Garmin SL70 installation manual, Appendix E Serial Interface
Specification, there is reference/clue in the paragraph Message Definitions.
Messages are divided into two groups, the Standard Message which is simply
the pressure altitude and system status and the Extended Message group which
includes the squawk code and all the other good stuff listed in Appendix E.
The last sentence references that this is accomplished in the setup mode and
saved in the EEPROM. What is missing is exactly how to do this.
The procedure is as follows:
Reference page 12 of the 2003 Apollo SL70 Installation Manual Post Installation
Checkout
1.
Put the unit in setup mode:
A. To operate the SL70 in the setup mode hold down the IDENT and ALT
buttons while turning the power on
2.
Turn the large knob to the SL70 config page
a. This should be one click clockwise and change from set up to SL70 config
3.
Using the small knob:
a. Turn to ASRC This is the altitude source page
b. The two choices for altitude INPUT are gray or serial
i. Unless Navworx can update its software to run at 1200 baud, an
encoder capable of gray code and or a serial to gray code convertor such as
Dynon Manufactures will
need to be used to interface with the SL70. The SL70 will only accept altitude
data from an encoder at 1200 baud.
ii. So at this point assuming you use the serial to gray converter,
set the input to GRAY by:
1. Press the ident button the serial or gray field will start to
flash
2. Set to gray if not already indicating gray
3. Press ident again to set into the memory if the setting was changed,
if not proceed
4.
Turn the small knob one click to set the baud rate
a. To select and change the baud rate, press the ident button once, the
baud rate field will start to flash
b. To interface with the Navworx unit, at present, the baud rate will need
to be set to 9,600
c. Turn the small knob until 9600 in displayed and press the ident button
again to set into memory
5.
Here is what is missing from the manual Turn the small knob clockwise one click
to the next input screen
a. The next screen is the TX screen The TX is for the message transmit
format used on the serial port
b. There are two options Standard STD and Extended EXT
c. Press the ident button to highlight the field. It will start to flash
d. Turn the small knob to set the EXT into the field
e. Press the ident button again to set the field
6.
Cycle the SL70 power off and turn back on. The SL70 is good to go and should
now be set up to control the Navworx unit
a. Using the maintenance port on the Navworx, set the Input screen to SL70
and DB37 pin 33.
I have not verified this from a functionality standpoint yet. In my installation,
the SL70 port referenced above is currently being used to provide altitude
data to my MX20 - so I have a couple of if scenarios.....:
If the baud rate on the SL70 port is currently at 9600 and if my MX20 ignores the
extended stuff and parses out just the altitude, I'm OK by simply forking the
serial output to both the MX20 and the ADS600B.
Otherwise, if the MX20 is version 5.6 or later, it should take altitude data along
with the Lat/Long it is already receiving from the 420W and freeing up the
port for dedicated communication with the ADS600B.
I prefer the latter - but I'll take whatever I can get!
Hope this helps - and thanks again to the NavWorx crew!
Ralph
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | NavWorx ADS600B integration to Garmin based panel -> the |
saga continues
Folks,
Here's another update since getting the details on implementing the "Extended"
mode from the NavWorx folks:
I was able to get the SL70 configured for the "Extended" mode per their instructions.
The extended mode data did not interfere with passing altitude data to
the MX20 as currently connected.
Their additional requirements are causing some interoperability issues.... The
ADS600B requires the "Extended" mode output from the SL70 at 9600 baud - which
the SL70 is capable of delivering. The 9600 baud setting is not compatible with
the MX20 - which only allows 1200 baud communications. I have a note in to
NavWorx to see if they are going to allow 1200 baud in the future...I'm not
the only one with this issue!
As a potential workaround, I looked at the documentation for my GNC420W. It indicates
that it is capable of transmitting the altitude data to the MX20 along
with the existing connection that provides lat/long. I tried that too - it doesn't
work. I have a note in to Garmin to see if there is a configuration setting
that I missed or if there was a printing error.
If all else fails - throw money at it.....I can replace the installed altitude
encoder with one that has a 1200 baud serial port as well as the Gray code.
I'm starting to see why everyone is screaming about the cost vs benefit of ADS-B
in the first place.....
Ralph
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NavWorx ADS600B integration to Garmin based panel -> |
the saga continues
An update from NavWorx - they support 1200 baud communications.
Should solve all of the issues I am experiencing!
-----Original Message-----
>From: "'Ralph E. Capen' recapen(at)earthlink.net [RV7A]" <RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Feb 9, 2015 12:52 PM
>To: rv-list , "avionics-list(at)matronics.com"
>Cc: RV7 Yahoo list , EXP-AVIONICS
>Subject: [RV Builders] NavWorx ADS600B integration to Garmin based panel -> the
saga continues
>
>Folks,
>
>Here's another update since getting the details on implementing the "Extended"
mode from the NavWorx folks:
>
>I was able to get the SL70 configured for the "Extended" mode per their instructions.
The extended mode data did not interfere with passing altitude data to
the MX20 as currently connected.
>
>Their additional requirements are causing some interoperability issues.... The
ADS600B requires the "Extended" mode output from the SL70 at 9600 baud - which
the SL70 is capable of delivering. The 9600 baud setting is not compatible
with the MX20 - which only allows 1200 baud communications. I have a note in
to NavWorx to see if they are going to allow 1200 baud in the future...I'm not
the only one with this issue!
>
>As a potential workaround, I looked at the documentation for my GNC420W. It indicates
that it is capable of transmitting the altitude data to the MX20 along
with the existing connection that provides lat/long. I tried that too - it
doesn't work. I have a note in to Garmin to see if there is a configuration setting
that I missed or if there was a printing error.
>
>If all else fails - throw money at it.....I can replace the installed altitude
encoder with one that has a 1200 baud serial port as well as the Gray code.
>
>I'm starting to see why everyone is screaming about the cost vs benefit of ADS-B
in the first place.....
>
>Ralph
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Eaton lighted switches - group buy...long ago |
A long time ago, there was a group buy on a batch of Eaton Lighted rocker switches.
SPDT with 12 VDC lighting. They are marked Eaton and "USA 9931".
We had them engraved by the folks at Aircraft Engravers if I recall correctly.
Anyone have a couple of spares - or know where I can get some of them?
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Now approaching 6000 pilots using the app with over 1350 listings, and a recent
review on the EAA website. And in a feeble attempt to recoup my costs, I am
now offering very reasonably priced ad's for aviation related businesses as I
keep my word to keep this app free for pilots. If you or someone you know may
be interested, please email me at airportcars101(at)gmail.com for rates. And please
tell your FBO where you found them. Thank you. Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=438850#438850
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I still get a lot of questions on how to download the Airport Courtesy Cars app
on an iPad. So here are some simple instructions on how to do so. The app is
approaching 1400 car listings with over 6,400 pilots that have downloaded the
app. Glenn
Go to the app store on your iPad,
Click the search box and search for Airport Courtesy Cars,
The search will not show any results, however when the search is complete a bar
of menus will appear along the top of the page,
The very first one on the left says "Ipad only",
Click it to show a drop down menu,
Choose "iPhone only" and Airport Courtesy Cars" will be displayed, and you can
download the app.
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
www.RVairspace.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439531#439531
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
I can now insert photos of your courtesy cars into the app listings. Feel free
to email me your photos, and please be sure to indicate in the title of the email
the airport ID and/or city location, and if there is more than one FBO, which
one the car is located at. The app has broken 1400 locations nationwide.
Thanks, Glenn Email to airportcars101(at)gmail.com
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, www.RVairspace.com and "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. Over 1400 cars nationwide.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439937#439937
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
| From: | "n1345p" <n1345p(at)suddenlink.net> |
Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122?
Lots of Pipers from the 60 and 70s have Narco radios they were the least expensive
at the time, have since gone out of business and support for these radios
is fading away. We send a steady flow of Narco products to Bevan-Rabell in Wichita
for repair. They usually take about 4 weeks and $450 and your Mark12D
is back in operation. This has not been the case for the all-in-one navigation
radios. Last week we sent a Nav-122 for repair to find it needed plastic gears
that are no longer available. This instrument candidate is working to get
his plane ready for an instrument training, checkride and regular flights to
Houston and New Mexico. What are the best solutions? He has a mixture of other
radios such as an old Apollo GX-55 GPS, and couple communication radios (TKM-810,
and KY196).
Of course we recommended buying a Garmin setup with new or used GNS or GTN with
an indicator and an audio panel, and keeping one of his Com radios as a second
Com.
- used Garmin GNS430W = $6500
- 340 audio panel used = $1000
- GI106A indicator used = $1500
- Wiring harness = $1200
- Installation $1000
At a minimum $11,200 and this does not get ADS-B.
What about if all you want to do is instrument training, checkride and basic IFR
for less money? (Assuming you do not need/want an IFR GPS and the $425 plus
year subscription). Is there a replacement for a NAV-122? You can use Foreflight/wingx/etc
or for VFR GPS and you just want to fly VOR/LOC/GS approaches if
needed.
We installed a VAL INS-422 in our blue Cessna 150 about 11 years ago. It is designed
after a Nav-122 and has been trouble free. I used it for a CFI-I instrument
check ride and did some IFR training in our blue Cessna 150. This radio
has not seen a lot of use. Our C150 has not done a lot of instrument training
due to its limited climb rate, slow speeds with faster traffic and limited range.
Val redesigned the new INS-429 a few years ago. It has much better features
including operation as a course deviation indicator for a Garmin installation.
With a street price of $1585, it is about the same price as a used Garmin
Indicator (GI-106A) and could be integrated with a Garmin in the future.
We pulled the trigger on this last week and will report how well it works. The
installation is straight forward as we will reuse most of the existing wiring:
3 antenna cables (VOR, Glideslope from splitter, and existing marker beacon
antenna), power, ground and existing audio cables to audio panel. Installation
will be a minor alteration as defined in Advisory Circular AC 20-138D, and
a logbook entry.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440190#440190
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
| From: | Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> |
On 2 Apr 2015, at 15:25, n1345p wrote:
> Last week we sent a Nav-122 for repair to find it needed plastic gears that are
no longer available
Sounds like a job for a 3-D printer!
in friendship
Rowland
| Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
| http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk
| Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson
| pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
Makes a good door stop. I have an ARC-300 Nav/Comm that I use for one.
Regards,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: n1345p <n1345p(at)suddenlink.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 2, 2015 10:27 am
Subject: Avionics-List: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122?
Minimal
IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122?
Lots of Pipers from the 60 and 70=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s
have Narco radios =C3=A2=C2=C2=93 they were the least expensive at the t
ime, have since gone
out of business and support for these radios is fading away. We send a ste
ady
flow of Narco products to Bevan-Rabell in Wichita for repair. They usually
take
about 4 weeks and $450 and your Mark12D is back in operation. This has not
been
the case for the all-in-one navigation radios. Last week we sent a Nav-122
for
repair to find it needed plastic gears that are no longer available. This
instrument candidate is working to get his plane ready for an instrument
training, checkride and regular flights to Houston and New Mexico. What ar
e the
best solutions? He has a mixture of other radios such as an old Apollo GX-
55
GPS, and couple communication radios (TKM-810, and KY196).
Of course we
recommended buying a Garmin setup with new or used GNS or GTN with an indic
ator
and an audio panel, and keeping one of his Com radios as a second Com.
- used
Garmin GNS430W = $6500
- 340 audio panel used = $1000
- GI106A indicator used
= $1500
- Wiring harness = $1200
- Installation $1000
At a minimum $11,200
and this does not get ADS-B.
What about if all you want to do is instrument
training, checkride and basic IFR for less money? (Assuming you do not need
/want
an IFR GPS and the $425 plus year subscription). Is there a replacement fo
r a
NAV-122? You can use Foreflight/wingx/etc or for VFR GPS and you just want
to
fly VOR/LOC/GS approaches if needed.
We installed a VAL INS-422 in our blue
Cessna 150 about 11 years ago. It is designed after a Nav-122 and has been
trouble free. I used it for a CFI-I instrument check ride and did some IFR
training in our blue Cessna 150. This radio has not seen a lot of use. Ou
r
C150 has not done a lot of instrument training due to its limited climb rat
e,
slow speeds with faster traffic and limited range. Val redesigned the new
INS-429 a few years ago. It has much better features including operation a
s a
course deviation indicator for a Garmin installation. With a street price
of
$1585, it is about the same price as a used Garmin Indicator (GI-106A) and
could
be integrated with a Garmin in the future. We pulled the trigger on this l
ast
week and will report how well it works. The installation is straight forwa
rd as
we will reuse most of the existing wiring: 3 antenna cables (VOR, Glideslo
pe
from splitter, and existing marker beacon antenna), power, ground and exist
ing
audio cables to audio panel. Installation will be a minor alteration as de
fined
in Advisory Circular AC 20-138D, and a logbook entry.
Read this topic
online
here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440190#440190
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| Subject: | Advisory Circulars =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93?= Aircraft - Federal |
Aviation Administr
| From: | "terrystrickl" <terrystrickland100(at)gmail.com> |
This advisory circular (AC) provides guidance on airworthiness ... However, if
you use the means described in this AC, you must .... and requirements to obtain
approved model list (AML)supplemental typecertificate(STC).
--------
ASD
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| From: | "009hnoor" <hanifnoor099(at)gmail.com> |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the Matronics
Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really nice
incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
--------
NOOR
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442095#442095
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| Subject: | Need Knob for Garmin GTX320A - squawk selectors |
| From: | "n1345p" <n1345p(at)suddenlink.net> |
2nd digit knob broke on a Garmin GTX320A transponder. Garmin wants to sell the
whole front panel. I will probably find some knobs from digi-key unless someone
has a better solution.
Any onehave a cross reference for the know or some used ones they want to sell.
mitch
>From Garmin service:
Dear MItchell Williams,
Thank you for contacting Garmin International.
Mitchell, the only way that knob can be replaced is by replacing the front panel.
That is as far as we break down the parts list. That work can be done at
any Garmin Aviation Dealer near you.
Best Regards,
Terry
Garmin Aviation Support
--------
Mitchell Williams OKPE, ATP/CFI/A&P/IA www.chickashawings.com
of shadow and ash http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KZGVQS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442578#442578
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Quick update, 18,000 launches, more discounts being added for users, more positive
national press coverage and keeping it free to pilots. Thanks, Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443505#443505
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both
the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order
up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a
company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis W. Wilt" <dwwilt(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
I am not surprised.
Regards,
Dennis W. Wilt
N616DW (Arion Lightning S/N 132)
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 2:17 pm
Subject: Avionics-List: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
In
the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of both
the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just order
up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on the
RV-6.
I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was
told the following: Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My
only option is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the
MINIMUM charge will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4
pieces of plastic! That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
I
will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with a
company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
-
Matt
Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's
Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap
Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube
Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM
"The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status:
300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC
Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the
Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives
too!
For entertainment purposes only.
http://klvk.matronics.com
- The Avionics-List Email Forum -
to browse
Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
much more:
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Forums!
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-Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and
received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor.
I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts
are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the
Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts.
So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize
to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really
shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this
debacle as it hopefully progresses.
Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327
is 470-00034-00.
Matt
At 11:13 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
>
>I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
>I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
>-
>Matt Dralle
-
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 182+ Hours TTSN - Version 2.0 Now Flying!
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 300+ Hours - Full Flyer Mode!
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases |
A few years ago I was able to get lenses for an SL-30 and SL-70. I went through
Avionics Unlimited in Conroe, TX. (936) 788-7333. Talk to Johnny Blain. IIRC
they were about $60 each. Yeah, that seems high but I hear Bendix charges $120
for theirs. The new ones were actually nicer than my originals circa 2001. They
have the adhesive built in and install nicely once the old lens is pried off
and the old adhesive cleaned off.
Regards,
Greg Young
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:39 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: Re: Reconsider Garmin Purchases
Before making my original post, I had contacted two different Avionics shops and
received the exact same story, so I didn't base my findings on a single vendor.
I have subsequently contacted Garmin directly and was told that the parts
are in fact orderable by dealers. But, when those same avionics dealers call the
Garmin parts department they are told they are not allowed to order those parts.
So, something is definitely not quite lining up here. I guess I apologize
to the community for venting my frustration with this process, but this really
shouldn't be this difficult. I will follow up with more information on this
debacle as it hopefully progresses.
Btw, the lens part number for the SL-30 is 308-3201-42 and the lens for the GTX-327
is 470-00034-00.
Matt
At 11:13 AM 6/17/2015 Wednesday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>In the rebuild of my RV-8 recently, I managed to get a scratch in the lens of
both the Garmin SL-30 and the Garmin GTX-327. No biggie, I thought, I'll just
order up a replacement and stick them in, much like I did on the King KX-125 on
the RV-6.
>
>I called up Pacific Coast Avionics today to order the parts and was told the following:
Garmin will not sell the lens. Yup, you hear that right. My only option
is to return both units to Garmin for a "factory repair" and the MINIMUM charge
will be $535 for EACH unit! That is $1070 to replace two $4 pieces of plastic!
That is simply outrageous! Frankly, criminal behavior.
>
>I will NOT be buying ANY future Garmin products. I refuse to do business with
a company that treats their customers this way. Unacceptable.
>
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>Matt Dralle
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | S-Tec System 50 assistance |
Folks,
I am helping out a fellow owner-flier with some autopilot function issues.
I have an S-Tec System 30 in my RV6A and I know the systems have similar functionality
- albeit different installations.
I have tried downloading the installation manual - but all of the places that have
it seem very hokey.
Anyone out there in 'list-land' have a PDF for the System 50 installation? I already
have the GPSS installation documentation for the 50 as it came with my
GPSS when I put it in my 6A.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | Detlef Heun <detlili(at)email.de> |
| Subject: | Headphone Jack Wiring Mono to Stereo Icom A-210 |
I bought a Icom A-210. Unfortunately it has only a Mono output.
Can I wire the Mono output to the Left and Right tab of a Stereo
Headphone Jack?
Thanks
Detlef
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| Subject: | Re: Headphone Jack Wiring Mono to Stereo Icom A-210 |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
On 9/9/2015 6:57 PM, Detlef Heun wrote:
>
> I bought a Icom A-210. Unfortunately it has only a Mono output.
> Can I wire the Mono output to the Left and Right tab of a Stereo
> Headphone Jack?
> Thanks
> Detlef
>
> _-
If the rest of the audio system is mono, then no problem. But most
stereo headsets have a stereo/mono switch built in. If you have a stereo
intercom, it should have a mono input for the com.
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| Subject: | Re: Headphone jack wiring |
| From: | D L Josephson <dlj04(at)josephson.com> |
On 9/9/15 11:59 PM, Avionics-List Digest Server wrote:
> From: Detlef Heun <detlili(at)email.de>
> Subject: Avionics-List: Headphone Jack Wiring Mono to Stereo Icom A-210
>
>
> I bought a Icom A-210. Unfortunately it has only a Mono output.
> Can I wire the Mono output to the Left and Right tab of a Stereo
> Headphone Jack?
> Thanks
You can, the problem is that if you then plug a mono headphone into the
stereo jack, the sleeve (ground terminal) will connect to the right
channel (ring contact of the tip-ring-sleeve jack) and short the output
to ground. A solution commonly used in broadcast stations where this
problem also occurs is to connect the mono output of the radio through
~300 ohm resistors to the left and right tabs of the jack. If you use a
stereo headphone, the level is reduced somewhat because each channel has
a resistor in series with it. If you use a mono headphone, the output
sees another 300 ohms to ground rather than a dead short. It's a good
compromise if the radio has enough volume to drive the headphones you're
using even with the additional loss of the resistors.
David Josephson
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| Subject: | Re: Headphone jack wiring |
| From: | D L Josephson <dlj04(at)josephson.com> |
On 9/9/15 11:59 PM, Avionics-List Digest Server wrote:
> From: Detlef Heun <detlili(at)email.de>
> Subject: Avionics-List: Headphone Jack Wiring Mono to Stereo Icom A-210
>
>
> I bought a Icom A-210. Unfortunately it has only a Mono output.
> Can I wire the Mono output to the Left and Right tab of a Stereo
> Headphone Jack?
> Thanks
You can, the problem is that if you then plug a mono headphone into the
stereo jack, the sleeve (ground terminal) will connect to the right
channel (ring contact of the tip-ring-sleeve jack) and short the output
to ground. A solution commonly used in broadcast stations where this
problem also occurs is to connect the mono output of the radio through
~300 ohm resistors to the left and right tabs of the jack. If you use a
stereo headphone, the level is reduced somewhat because each channel has
a resistor in series with it. If you use a mono headphone, the output
sees another 300 ohms to ground rather than a dead short. It's a good
compromise if the radio has enough volume to drive the headphones you're
using even with the additional loss of the resistors.
David Josephson
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Alternative sources for MX20 and 400W databases |
Anyone out there know of any alternative sources?
Are we stuck with the expensive monopoly Jeppesen?
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| Subject: | Aviation headset shielding |
| From: | Anthony Economos <anthonyeco(at)gmail.com> |
I am curious if headsets need to be shielded or unshielded. I have seen
both but on the ones with shielding it is not terminated at either side
doesn't this make it ineffective?
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| Subject: | Garmin Brain Teaser... 320A Transponder issue.... |
| From: | "SIDESLIP" <Chad2007(at)rogers.com> |
Avionics experts can't seem to help.... Maybe someone here can. Mounted in a Zodiac
601 XL-B is the above Transponder and encoder. Avionics experts tested it
on the ground, no engine running. Antenna is shielded. Turned on, and ran tests.
PERFECT signal and perfect parameters.
HOWEVER....
In flight, ATC CANNOT get ANY read on me for about 15-20mins. But they do get a
read eventually for the most part. Sometimes they get me as soon as I hit 2000'asl.
(460' elevation). Now.... This is secondary radar out of Toronto, approx
45sm away. Two days ago, I took off, no read, not even Mode A. Nada. Made a
9 min flight north, then east further away from the radar station and after about
15mins, she got a perfect signal on me. Transponder matched my altitude and
Ground speed no problem. Again.... Avionics specialist ran the system through
extensive testing and the second we fire it up, and run it through its paces,
comes back ultra strong. No issues.
Any idea?!
Cheers!
Chad
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C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447428#447428
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Brain Teaser... 320A Transponder issue.... |
| From: | William Halverson <william(at)netpros.net> |
How does it work in a different a/c?
Typos courtesy of Siri
> On Sep 25, 2015, at 06:40, SIDESLIP wrote:
>
>
> Avionics experts can't seem to help.... Maybe someone here can. Mounted in a
Zodiac 601 XL-B is the above Transponder and encoder. Avionics experts tested
it on the ground, no engine running. Antenna is shielded. Turned on, and ran tests.
PERFECT signal and perfect parameters.
>
> HOWEVER....
>
> In flight, ATC CANNOT get ANY read on me for about 15-20mins. But they do get
a read eventually for the most part. Sometimes they get me as soon as I hit 2000'asl.
(460' elevation). Now.... This is secondary radar out of Toronto, approx
45sm away. Two days ago, I took off, no read, not even Mode A. Nada. Made
a 9 min flight north, then east further away from the radar station and after
about 15mins, she got a perfect signal on me. Transponder matched my altitude
and Ground speed no problem. Again.... Avionics specialist ran the system through
extensive testing and the second we fire it up, and run it through its paces,
comes back ultra strong. No issues.
>
> Any idea?!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Chad
>
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> C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
>
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> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447428#447428
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Brain Teaser... 320A Transponder issue.... |
| From: | "SIDESLIP" <Chad2007(at)rogers.com> |
I have no way of trying it. No one I know has the same TX.
Cheers!
Chad
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C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447430#447430
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin Brain Teaser... 320A Transponder issue.... |
| From: | Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> |
>
>Avionics experts can't seem to help.... Maybe someone here can. Mounted
>in a Zodiac 601 XL-B is the above Transponder and encoder. Avionics
>experts tested it on the ground, no engine running. Antenna is
>shielded. Turned on, and ran tests. PERFECT signal and perfect
>parameters.
>
>HOWEVER....
>
>In flight, ATC CANNOT get ANY read on me for about 15-20mins. But they
>do get a read eventually for the most part. Sometimes they get me as
>soon as I hit 2000'asl. (460' elevation). Now.... This is secondary
>radar out of Toronto, approx 45sm away. Two days ago, I took off, no
>read, not even Mode A. Nada. Made a 9 min flight north, then east
>further away from the radar station and after about 15mins, she got a
>perfect signal on me. Transponder matched my altitude and Ground speed
>no problem. Again.... Avionics specialist ran the system through
>extensive testing and the second we fire it up, and run it through its
>paces, comes back ultra strong. No issues.
>
>Any idea?!
>
>Cheers!
>
>Chad
>
>--------
>C-GYXQ. 912ULS. 601XL-B
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447428#447428
>
>
Pull the transponder and check the front edge of the tray. Make sure it's flush
with the front side of the panel. If not, then fix it. Then make sure that the
transponder seats completely when you reinstall it. Check operation on the ground
with the engine running.
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| From: | "David Lloyd" <skywagon(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Garmin Brain Teaser... 320A Transponder issue.... |
Keep in mind that parts of this system have a stabilization heater associa
ted in the transponder system. Sometimes I have seen those take more than
10 mins. to get the altitude encoder to stabilize at a fixed temp. The new
er transponder units stay quiet until stabilized. If you are operating in
cold weather, it may take even longer to get a solid reading. Let us know
what you find out. . .
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Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: Avionics-List: Garmin Brain Teaser... 320A Transponder issue
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cs experts can't seem to help.... Maybe someone here can. Mounted in a Zodi
ac 601 XL-B is the above Transponder and encoder. Avionics experts tested i
t on the ground, no engine running. Antenna is shielded. Turned on, and ran
tests. PERFECT signal and perfect parameters. HOWEVER....In flight, ATC CA
NNOT get ANY read on me for about 15-20mins. But they do get a read eventua
lly for the most part. Sometimes they get me as soon as I hit 2000'asl. (46
0' elevation). Now.... This is secondary radar out of Toronto, approx 45sm
away. Two days ago, I took off, no read, not even Mode A. Nada. Made a 9 m
in flight north, then east further away from the radar station and after ab
out 15mins, she got a perfect signal on me. Transponder matched my altitude
and Ground speed no problem. Again.... Avionics specialist ran the system
through extensive testing
and
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy
Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look
of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently
at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings
I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on
them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help
with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated.
There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed
within the app. Glenn
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447660#447660
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| From: | david alberti <daberti(at)sbcglobal.net> |
http://goo.gl/tbXKfk
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members (you) that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site http://forums.matronics.com , Wiki site http://wiki.matronics.com , or other related pages such as the List Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search , List Browse http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse , etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
of the bills associated with running these lists. YOUR personal Contribution
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This year we have a really HUGE and TERRIFIC line up of free gifts to go along
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This year, these generous members include:
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These are very generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective web
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I would like publicly to thank Andy, Bob, Corbin, George, and Jon their generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
Please make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
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To make your Contribution, please visit the secure web site:
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I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
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Thank you!
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Matronics Email List Administrator
RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
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or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
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581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
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Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
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or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
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I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
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581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94551-0347
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages.
Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, their email address is automatically added
to this year's Contributor List and they instantly cease to receive further Fund
Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
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If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
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Thank you!
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[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that ilk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning,
maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser
each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the
operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory.
Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
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Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
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Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
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USA
Thank you for your support!
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Email List Admin.
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| Subject: | doRNE C-70 aNTENNA pROBLEMS |
| From: | Agustin Pucheu <agpucheu(at)gmail.com> |
ood morning, I wanted to ask about a problem we are having a c-70 dorne a
cessan 150.
We had an escort radio- vor 110 radio, and now a narco Radio 120.
The problem is that the antenna is not working. We have disarmed the
antenna and do not see anything wrong, like check the antenna, and found on
the antenna plate containing two terminal cabels soldiers, I do not have to
work that way.
Someone knows how to make an antenna for the 118-137 MHz frequency. to
replace given that their cost is very high.
thanks you
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists
are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely
through your Contributions during this time of the year.
*Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another
great year!
Use a credit card or your PayPal account here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by sending a personal check to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Contribution - Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far during
this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively through
YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's Your Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some point, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for the over 23 years of on-line
archive data always available for instant search and access. And, it offsets
the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power these List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables all these aspects of Matronics List
services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of
the best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: doRNE C-70 aNTENNA pROBLEMS |
| From: | "jetboy" <skyjeepaviation(at)gmail.com> |
I had the same D&M type on my C150 but it didnt look like your connection plate
photo
They are a good antenna and are better for the full aircraft band 118-137
than a simple rod antenna
Usually it is best to replace - maybe a used one - to fit the same mounting holes
on your aircraft.
Actually for my 150 I bought a second one and mounted it on the other side. They
were not expensive when you consider the mounting requirements and the wide
bandwidth.
The rod antennas sold for cropdusters etc. are very stiff and heavy so would damage
the C150 they are cheaper I got one from ACS but cut it off and welded
a tapered stainless steel rod from a radiotelephone antenna supplier instead.
Its OK for my microlight where i also have a couple of minature R/T antenna bases
on but for a C150 you would need something that looks like it has TSO approval.....
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=449865#449865
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A |
Contribution Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)! As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
subscription!
Assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others that you appreciate the
Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Behind By 22% - Please Contribute Today! |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of members making a Contribution to support the Lists this year
is currently behind last year by at this time by roughly 22%. Please take this
opportunity to show your support for the Matronics Lists and Forums!
Please remember that it is *solely* your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
and Forums up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members
don't want to support the Lists directly, then I might have to add advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I don't want to have to do
that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and I think that a lot
of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been
putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it!
The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose
from this year. I personally want at least three of them! There's probably
something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your
Lists!
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists!
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists.
Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! |
Dear Listers,
There's just three more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means
the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser - Just Two Days Left! - Still Well Behind... |
Dear Listers,
There are just two more full days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. Over the
last couple of weeks I have received some really nice comments from members
on what the Lists have meant to them and I really appreciate the feedback!
At this point, unfortunately, we are still well behind last year in total Contributions
to support the continued operation of these services. I really want
to keep providing these Lists and Forums to the home built community, but it takes
resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep the
operation a float, it's *solely your generosity* during the yearly Fund Raiser
that keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today so that I can keep
the bills paid and the services and systems turned on. If you've been putting
off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time to do it!
To make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance for your support! It is very much appreciated...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Since the beginning, the Matronics List and Forum experience has been free from
advertising. I have been approached by fair number of vendors wanting to tap
into the large volume of activity across the various lists hosted here, but have
always flatly refused. Everywhere you go on the Internet these days, a user
is pummeled with flashing banners and videos and ads for crap that they don't
want. Yahoo, Google and that elk are not "free". The user must constantly
endure their barrage of commercialism thrust into their face at an ever increasing
rate. Enough is enough, and the Lists at Matronics choose not to succumb
to that.
That being said, running a service of this size is not "free". It costs a lot
of money to maintain the hardware, pay for the electricity, air conditioning,
maintenance contracts, etc, etc. etc. I choose to hold a PBS-like fund raiser
each year during the month of November where I simply send out a short email
every other day asking the members to make a small contribution to support the
operation. That being said, that contribution is completely voluntary and non-compulsory.
Many members choose not to contribute and that's fine.
However, a very modest percentage of the members do choose to make a contribution
and it is that financial support that keeps the Lists running. And that's
it. To my way of thinking, it is a much more pleasant way of maintaining the
Lists and Forums. The other 11 months of the year, you don't see a single advertisement
or request for support. That's refreshing and that is a List and Forum
that I want to belong to. I think other people feel the same way.
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support these
Lists?
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
It's November 30th and that always means a couple of things. Its my birthday again
- 52, so don't remind me! :-) But it also means that it's that last official
day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been thinking about
picking up one of those really nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on
it!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever
forget it.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Auction For P113 eMag To Support Matronics List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric fame has generously put a new eMag P113 electronic
4-cylinder mag up for sale on EBay. Bob has pledged to donate all of the
proceeds from this auction in support of this year's Matronics Fund Raiser.
If you are in the market for one of these great electronic ignitions (I have two
eMags on my RV-8 and love them), please bid on this one!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151920582478
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2015 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
The 2015 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
weeks ago and it's time that I published this year's List of Contributors.
It is the people on this list that directly make these Email Lists and Forums
possible! Their generous Contributions keep the servers and Internet connection
up and running!
You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
time. The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I also want to thank Andy, Bob, and George for their generous support through the
supply of many great gifts this year!! These guys have some excellent products
and I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
George Race - Race Consulting - http://www.mrrace.com
And finally, I'm proud to present The 2015 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2015.html
Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List & Forum Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
| From: | "gbrasch" <gmbrasch(at)gmail.com> |
We just completed a major upgrade to Airport Courtesy Cars App, which now makes the app available on ALL devices, including the web. Please upgrade your app to the latest version. If your phone does not support the app, then go to our new website, www.airportcourtesycars.com The site is mobile friendly and you can place its icon to your phone or tablet screen. Both versions show Google maps for each state, the app version still shows the entire US map which some people prefer. The site currently lists over 1560 cars. Thanks for your input and contact us with any questions, new listings, or corrections to airportcars101(at)gmail.com And please check out our advertisers and FBOs who offer you fuel discounts. The app remains free.
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Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453849#453849
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Back Online |
Dear Listers,
The Matronics Web server lost a critical system hard drive yesterday 4/18/2016.
I have been working feverishly for the last 24 hours to repair the system and
get the Matronics Forums and other web-based resources back online.
Email services were not impacted in anyway.
back online and all resources were successfully restored from a backup.
My apologies for the down time.
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Admin
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Narco NAV122D/GPS driving STEC-30 Autopilot |
Anyone out there using a NARCO to drive their AP?
I'm trying to determine if there are any gotchas with the interface / installation.
I have both running nicely - but not touching each other...yet. I'm looking to
drive the AP TRK feature from the NARCO by pulling off the needle signal - just
like the SL-30 (which works nicely).
Looking for diversity and backup.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing |
Anyone have a TruTrak servo installed in the wing?
>From memory, there previously was a wing bracket - but not currently. Looking
for drawings to make the wing install bracket - the place under the seats has
too much other difficult to relocate stuff...
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing |
Thanks Dan - I already had those drawings...
The 6/6A wing is different internally - they built the bellcrank with a different
method.
I now have the three drawings for the 6/6A left wing- but are still looking for
the details for the "Servo Mount Bracket" referenced in those drawings. I suppose
I could cobble something together but was trying to go with what already
worked.
Anyone with details on the "Servo Mount Bracket" - help would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: "dbygroups(at)gmail.com [RV7A]"
Sent: May 16, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing
Ralph...
The drawings I think you want (for a 7 in the right wing) are at http://www.trutrakap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RV-710RightWing.pdf
Dan
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| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A |
wing
I'm guessing you've checked with Tru-Trak? They seemed to try hard to accommodate
all installs back then. When I was planning to add the roll servo to my -6
I thought I'd mount it in the wing and use the -7 mount. I don't remember any
one talking about problems with it but did not investigate it that deeply as
I decided to go with the under seat mount. If it helps I don't see any reason
why you couldn't mount it under either seat. You could also consider the Navaid
approach and mount the servo in the wingtip with a long pushrod to the bellcrank.
I've got the mount and pushrod from my 1st RV-6 if you want to see how that
worked.
Greg Young
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: Avionics-List: Re: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing
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Thanks Dan - I already had those drawings...
The 6/6A wing is different internally - they built the bellcrank with a different
method.
I now have the three drawings for the 6/6A left wing- but are still looking for
the details for the "Servo Mount Bracket" referenced in those drawings. I suppose
I could cobble something together but was trying to go with what already
worked.
Anyone with details on the "Servo Mount Bracket" - help would be greatly appreciated.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: "dbygroups(at)gmail.com [RV7A]"
Sent: May 16, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing
Ralph...
The drawings I think you want (for a 7 in the right wing) are at http://www.trutrakap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RV-710RightWing.pdf
Dan
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A |
wing
Thanks Greg - I'll zap you directly!
-----Original Message-----
>From: "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com>
>Sent: May 16, 2016 2:39 PM
>To: "avionics-list(at)matronics.com" , rv-list
>Subject: RE: Avionics-List: Re: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A
wing
>
>
>I'm guessing you've checked with Tru-Trak? They seemed to try hard to accommodate
all installs back then. When I was planning to add the roll servo to my -6
I thought I'd mount it in the wing and use the -7 mount. I don't remember any
one talking about problems with it but did not investigate it that deeply as
I decided to go with the under seat mount. If it helps I don't see any reason
why you couldn't mount it under either seat. You could also consider the Navaid
approach and mount the servo in the wingtip with a long pushrod to the bellcrank.
I've got the mount and pushrod from my 1st RV-6 if you want to see how
that worked.
>
>Greg Young
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-avionics-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 12:53 PM
>To: rv-list ; avionics-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Avionics-List: Re: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing
>
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>
>Thanks Dan - I already had those drawings...
>
>The 6/6A wing is different internally - they built the bellcrank with a different
method.
>
>I now have the three drawings for the 6/6A left wing- but are still looking for
the details for the "Servo Mount Bracket" referenced in those drawings. I suppose
I could cobble something together but was trying to go with what already
worked.
>
>Anyone with details on the "Servo Mount Bracket" - help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Ralph
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: "dbygroups(at)gmail.com [RV7A]"
>
>Sent: May 16, 2016 11:34 AM
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>To: RV7A(at)yahoogroups.com
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>Subject: [RV Builders] Re: Tru-Trak roll servo in 6/6A wing
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>Ralph...
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>The drawings I think you want (for a 7 in the right wing) are at http://www.trutrakap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RV-710RightWing.pdf
>
>Dan
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| Subject: | Impedance matching |
| From: | Gordon Anderson <mregoan(at)hispeed.ch> |
Hi all,
I am trying to hook up audio outputs from a Garrecht TRX-1500 (3Vpp, 8 Ohm) and
Dynon Skyview (10V, 50 Ohm, output volume controllable by software setting) into
a PMA5000EX (510 Ohm, max 3Vpp input or "damage will occur").
Partial feedback from suppliers is confusing - according to PSE / ACS the Skyview
should be OK if I hook it up directly (despite potentially much higher output
voltage than the audio panel accepts), but the TRX-1500 is allegedly problematic
despite the relatively low output voltage.
I am tending towards fitting a 470 Ohm trim pot across each output as a voltage
divider using the wiper as input for the audio panel, more or less as proposed
by Garrecht for a line level input.
Can anyone tell me if I am on the right or wrong track?
Gordon Anderson
Switzerland, Van's RV-10 - 41015
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Interfacing MX-20 (or GMX-200) with NavWorx ADS600-B |
Folks,
Anyone out there using either a MX-20 or GMX-200 as the display for their NavWorx
ADS600-B UAT?
I'm trying to figure out the settings to be applied to the MX-20 - there isn't
anything I can find in the manual. I've sent a note to NavWorx - no response
so far.
There's a setting hint for the 400W/500W in the NavWorx manual, so that one was
easy. It tells you to set it up as getting a GTX330 feed.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | Interfacing MX-20 (or GMX-200) with NavWorx ADS600-B |
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| From: | "bigdog(at)bentwing.com" <bigdog(at)bentwing.com> |
| Subject: | Interfacing MX-20 (or GMX-200) with NavWorx ADS600-B |
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| From: | Bill Moffitt <BillMoffitt(at)navworx.com> |
| Subject: | Interfacing MX-20 (or GMX-200) with NavWorx |
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
Anyone out there running a MX-20 with a 400W/500W series GPS?
I recently upgraded the software on my GNC420W in preparation for ADS-B upgrade
interface to a NAVWORX ADS600B. Now the MX-20 will only display current position
when a flight plan is active in the GNC420W. Previously, it would display
current position as long as the GNC420W was getting a good GPS signal.
I think the software is actually on the data card and not in the machine - so it
should be easy to get the software upgraded.
I need to check my software revision - I think I am at version 5.5...knowing that
there is at least a version 5.7 floating around.
Anyone have a spare card I can borrow to test in order to see if the new software
will help?
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | MX-20 interfacing GNC420W (400W/500W) |
My MX20 running 5.6 software is connected to an SL30 and a GNC420W. I have a set
of 5.7 software coming on loan.
The 420W recently received a software upgrade (to 5.3 / 5.0) in preparation for
adding an ADS600B to my RV6A.
Before the 420W upgrade, my MX20 would display my current position while flying.
Now, I only get that information if a flight plan is active. I also previously
saw my SL30 VOR radial tracked when it was dialed in and active - I don't
get that anymore - unless I happen to have an active flight plan leg running
in the 430W.
Black screen with my plane and a red X in the middle of the screen until I hit
Direct to....
Anyone else out there with this combo experiencing the same issues?
More importantly, anyone out there with this same combo where you see your position
without an active leg?
I don't recall changing any settings - it worked before and it only works now after
I activate a leg in the 420W.
I contacted Garmin - they said to contact the dealer that installed it to verify
the installation? Since I installed it, I have already rung out the wiring
and only want to verify settings. They were kinda useless in that they didn't
make an effort to understand the installation at all - but then they do have
a monopoly on the market.
I wrote down all of the info from the MX-20 screens so I have it for reference.
I may need to do the same for the 420W for comparison.
Any assistance in config settings on a working system would be greatly appreciate...even
from 430W and 500W series users.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Another new Avionics-oriented (sort of) smartphone App |
| From: | "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com> |
Greetings All,
While being grounded for the past many months with a cracked engine block,
I have been amusing myself by writing software.
Allow me to introduce avAltimeter
Not many many people are aware that in the iPhone 6 and later, Apple
has incorporated a Bosch barometer chip. I recently released to the
App Store a unique app which emulates an analog flight altimeter with
a number of "smart" features including a Kollsman window for setting
the current pressure, calculation of Density Altitude, true airspeed and
takeoff performance. The App also provides a warning for supplemental
oxygen consistent with US FARs. The latest version of the app, now allows
entry of the Altimeter Setting (QNH) in millibars or in inches of mercury,
and allows display of altitude and density altitude in Feet or Meters.
Obviously avAltimeter is not FAA TSO approved and so I provide it for
entertainment only. At present it can only be run on iPhone 6 and later,
and not iPads or iPods. I understand the new Samsung Galaxy S7 now
has a barometer chip as well and I plan to transfer the code to Android
soon.
My software web site is http://www.aviametrix.com
or search for "avAltimeter" on the Apple App Store!
Thanks for your attention!
Cheers,
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457598#457598
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: RV-List: MX-20 interfacing GNC420W (400W/500W) |
The 5.7 software didn't fix it - anyone have a set of 5.8 software that I can borrow
to test - before I rip Garmin via the FSDO!?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 4:53 PM
Subject: RV-List: MX-20 interfacing GNC420W (400W/500W)
--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
My MX20 running 5.6 software is connected to an SL30 and a GNC420W. I have a set
of 5.7 software coming on loan.
The 420W recently received a software upgrade (to 5.3 / 5.0) in preparation for
adding an ADS600B to my RV6A.
Before the 420W upgrade, my MX20 would display my current position while flying.
Now, I only get that information if a flight plan is active. I also previously
saw my SL30 VOR radial tracked when it was dialed in and active - I don't
get that anymore - unless I happen to have an active flight plan leg running
in the 430W.
Black screen with my plane and a red X in the middle of the screen until I hit
Direct to....
Anyone else out there with this combo experiencing the same issues?
More importantly, anyone out there with this same combo where you see your position
without an active leg?
I don't recall changing any settings - it worked before and it only works now after
I activate a leg in the 420W.
I contacted Garmin - they said to contact the dealer that installed it to verify
the installation? Since I installed it, I have already rung out the wiring
and only want to verify settings. They were kinda useless in that they didn't
make an effort to understand the installation at all - but then they do have
a monopoly on the market.
I wrote down all of the info from the MX-20 screens so I have it for reference.
I may need to do the same for the 420W for comparison.
Any assistance in config settings on a working system would be greatly appreciate...even
from 430W and 500W series users.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Re: Minimal IFR: What to do with your old Nav-122? |
| From: | "n1345p" <n1345p(at)suddenlink.net> |
We have a Narco Nav122 in a Cherokee 140. We had it repaired by BevanRabell about
2 years ago and it quit again.
We are considering replacing it with a Val INS-429.
We have an older INS-422 in a Cessna 150 which works good.
Anyone have opinions about Val INS429?
Mitch
--------
Mitchell Williams OKPE, ATP/CFI/A&P/IA www.chickashawings.com
of shadow and ash http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KZGVQS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457746#457746
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | MX-20 connected to 400W/500W |
Any of you out there using the MX-20 connected to either a 400W or 500W series
GPS?
I have a 420W connected to a MX-20. Recently upgraded the software in the 420W
and now the MX-20 screen map area is blank with the red X in the middle unless
I have a flight plan active. I have verified my wiring and settings - along
with the system showing my position with the flight plan active so i am confident
in the wiring / settings.
The 420W is running 5.3/5.0 software and the MX-20 has been tested up to version
5.7. My understanding is that a newer version of software is available for
the MX-20 and I am making inquiries as to upgrading. My question to other users
is - Does it work with the later software - or did Garmin abandon this device
already!?
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MX-20 connected to 400W/500W - UPDATE |
Just to keep everyone in the loop....
There are multiple valid output protocols from the 400W/500W series that work with
the MX-20...some have more features than others - the differences are not
spelled out in the installation manuals.
Got with the folks at Stark Aviation (I bought most of my gear through his shop),
he was able to get an understanding of the differences and pass them to me.
I was using "Aviation" as the output protocol from my 420W as it is acceptable
to both the MX20 and my AFS3400s EFIS. Come to find out, the software upgrades
changed some of the bits making this one a less viable option. I need to use
"MXMap" for the MX20 and wire up two more outputs from the 420W...one for the
EFIS and another for the ADS-600B
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 5, 2016 1:19 PM
>To: rv-list , "avionics-list(at)matronics.com"
>Subject: RV-List: MX-20 connected to 400W/500W
>
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen"
>
>Any of you out there using the MX-20 connected to either a 400W or 500W series
GPS?
>
>I have a 420W connected to a MX-20. Recently upgraded the software in the 420W
and now the MX-20 screen map area is blank with the red X in the middle unless
I have a flight plan active. I have verified my wiring and settings - along
with the system showing my position with the flight plan active so i am confident
in the wiring / settings.
>
>The 420W is running 5.3/5.0 software and the MX-20 has been tested up to version
5.7. My understanding is that a newer version of software is available for
the MX-20 and I am making inquiries as to upgrading. My question to other users
is - Does it work with the later software - or did Garmin abandon this device
already!?
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph Capen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | MX-20 Ver 5.8 software |
Anyone out there with an MX-20 off the top of their heads know what size card the
latest 5.8 software (non-chartview) comes on? I have a set of 5.8 software
on the way and I want to put it in a card rotation like I am currently doing.
The version 5.6 software (non-chartview) is on a 32MB card - which appears to be
almost full. I have a few of these already - just want to know if I need to
buy a set of 64MB or larger cards.
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| From: | "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | HSI repair vs new EFIS |
My electric HSI has been in and out of the shop a bunch of times for failing drive
bands - now they're saying "Gyro Capsule has Precession and needs to be replaced"
- to the tune of about $3500. The plane has less than 300 hours on it
so my BS alarm is going off thinking that they are trying to recover some warranty
costs with a major component swapout. Not mentioning names here yet until
I figure out what is going on and what I want to do.
I can get a brand new - new technology AFS AF5500 with ADAHRS and moving map software
for less than $6000 and be done with all the old stuff. I was planning
to migrate to this newer technology after I get my IFR ticket anyway as my electric
AI gyro is of the same technology - as well as the turn coordinator.
Who all out there is flying with just the new glass screen/EFIS stuff?
How long did it take you to re-learn the instrumentation?
I'm already running one of their 3400EE units and I have been very happy with the
performance so far!
Thoughts?!
January 05, 2014 - July 19, 2016
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