Beech-Archive.digest.vol-ak

***rvaitor(at)comcast.net*** · ***Oct 18, 2006***

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      >>  Today's Message Index:
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      >>       1. 05:16 AM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors  (Masterson, Fred)
      >>       2. 07:42 AM - Re: Main gear doorsMain gear doors  (Murray Randall)
      >>       3. 08:18 AM - Re: cleveland brakes and gear doors  (Rob Breitbarth)
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      >>  ________________________________  Message 1 
      >>  _____________________________________
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      >>  From: "Masterson, Fred" <Fred.Masterson(at)airliquide.com>
      >>  Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>
      >>  If you hold the drain to one side you can use a thin screwdriver to loosen
      >>  the clamp.
      >>  The hardest part is holding it to reinstall the drain.
      >>  I pulled both and put new o rings in last year.
      >>
      >>  Fred Masterson
      >>
      >>  -----Original Message-----
      >>  From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      >>  [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bell
      >>  Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:58 PM
      >>  Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>  Can't be for sure but a small box wrench is what I used to loosen the
      >>  clamp.
      >>
      >>  It's been about 20 or more years since I replaced mine. It is close but
      >>  you 
      >>  can work through the opening in the wing. On my A35 anyway.
      >>  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >>  From: "Home" <rob87b(at)earthlink.net>
      >>  Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:37 PM
      >>  Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>
      >>
      >>  >
      >>  > Great advice, thanks.
      >>  >
      >>  > How did you reach the hose clamp too loosen up the drain valve?   It 
      >>  > doesn't look like there is an easy access panel in sight for the main 
      >>  > tanks.
      >>  >
      >>  > thanks, Rob.
      >>  >
      >>  > -----Original Message-----
      >>  >>From: Bruce Bell <brucebell74(at)sbcglobal.net>
      >>  >>Sent: Oct 10, 2006 4:12 PM
      >>  >>To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >>  >>Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >>
      >>  
      >>  >>
      >>  >>Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis drain valve can be replaced 
      >>  >>with
      >>  >>out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger over

      >>  >>the
      >>  >>hole to stop the fuel flow and the other to reinstall the valve. A little
      >>  >>messy but gets the job done. Take proper precautions with the fuel. Use a
      >>  >>drip pan and put your cigars out!
      >>  >>----- Original Message ----- 
      >>  >>From: "Home" <rob87b(at)earthlink.net>
      >>  >>To: 
      >>  >>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM
      >>  >>Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >>
      >>  >>
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>> I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the
      >>  6.5x8
      >>  >>> rims and and Superhawks tires.   I find the outside edge of the
      >>  calipers
      >>  >>> are just rubbing the main gear doors.  I checked and the tires are up
      >>  >>> tight when retracted.    Any ideas?
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>> Also, I have a Curtis drain valve that needs changing on the left main
      >>  >>> tank.  This is the hose clamp type.   It looks like I have to pull the
      >>  >>> bladder to change it.  Am I right?
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>> thanks for the help, rob.
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>>
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      >>  >>>
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      >>  >>>
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      >>
      >>  ________________________________  Message 2 
      >>  _____________________________________
      >>
      >>
      >>  From: "Murray Randall" <aeroads(at)comcast.net>
      >>  Subject: Re: Beech-List: Main gear doorsMain gear doors
      >>
      >>  It sure is easy to imagine lacquer thinner damage....lacquer thinner 
      >>  will dissolve about everything near it      I use it to clean up the 
      >>  comutator segments and the tooth brush     I've had several cases of 
      >>  gear inoperability    the majority have been motor related so I watch 
      >>  the second hand on my old dial clock on each and every cycle    and now 
      >>  I'm rebuilding a damaged 260 HP Maule in an attempt to get some of the 
      >>  Bonanza utility without the gear issues....we'll see      Murray Randall
      >>
      >>  ________________________________  Message 3 
      >>  _____________________________________
      >>
      >>
      >>  From: Rob Breitbarth <rob87b(at)earthlink.net>
      >>  Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>
      >>
      >>  Thanks for the help Fred.   I'll replace mine this weekend.
      >>
      >>  rob
      >>
      >>  -----Original Message-----
      >>  >From: "Masterson, Fred" <Fred.Masterson(at)airliquide.com>
      >>  >Sent: Oct 12, 2006 3:07 AM
      >>  >To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >>  >Subject: RE: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >
      >>  >If you hold the drain to one side you can use a thin screwdriver to loosen
      >>  >the clamp.
      >>  >The hardest part is holding it to reinstall the drain.
      >>  >I pulled both and put new o rings in last year.
      >>  >
      >>  >Fred Masterson
      >>  >
      >>  >-----Original Message-----
      >>  >From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      >>  >[mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Bell
      >>  >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:58 PM
      >>  >To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >>  >Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >
      >>  >
      >>  >
      >>  >Can't be for sure but a small box wrench is what I used to loosen the
      >>  clamp.
      >>  >
      >>  >It's been about 20 or more years since I replaced mine. It is close
      >>  but you 
      >>  >can work through the opening in the wing. On my A35 anyway.
      >>  >----- Original Message ----- 
      >>  >From: "Home" <rob87b(at)earthlink.net>
      >>  >To: 
      >>  >Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:37 PM
      >>  >Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >
      >>  >
      >>  >>
      >>  >> Great advice, thanks.
      >>  >>
      >>  >> How did you reach the hose clamp too loosen up the drain valve?   It 
      >>  >> doesn't look like there is an easy access panel in sight for the main 
      >>  >> tanks.
      >>  >>
      >>  >> thanks, Rob.
      >>  >>
      >>  >> -----Original Message-----
      >>  >>>From: Bruce Bell <brucebell74(at)sbcglobal.net>
      >>  >>>Sent: Oct 10, 2006 4:12 PM
      >>  >>>To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >>  >>>Subject: Re: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >>>
      >>  
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>>Don't know about the rubbing but the Curtis drain valve can be replaced

      >>  >>>with
      >>  >>>out removing the tank. Two people work best one to stick his finger
      >>  over 
      >>  >>>the
      >>  >>>hole to stop the fuel flow and the other to reinstall the valve. A
      >>  little
      >>  >>>messy but gets the job done. Take proper precautions with the fuel.
      >>  Use a
      >>  >>>drip pan and put your cigars out!
      >>  >>>----- Original Message ----- 
      >>  >>>From: "Home" <rob87b(at)earthlink.net>
      >>  >>>To: 
      >>  >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:56 PM
      >>  >>>Subject: Beech-List: cleveland brakes and gear doors
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>>
      >>  >>>>
      >>  >>>> I recently installed the Cleveland brake kit 199-50 which uses the
      >>  6.5x8
      >>  >>>> rims and and Superhawks tires.   I find the outside edge of the
      >>  calipers
      >>  >>>> are just rubbing the main gear doors.  I checked and the tires are up
      >>  >>>> tight when retracted.    Any ideas?
      >>  >>>>
      >>  >>>> Also, I have a Curtis drain valve that needs changing on the left main
      >>  >>>> tank.  This is the hose clamp type.   It looks like I have to pull the
      >>  >>>> bladder to change it.  Am I right?
      >>  >>>>
      >>  >>>> thanks for the help, rob.
      >>  >>>>
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From: rvaitor(at)comcast.net
Subject: Beech Party
Date: Oct 18, 2006      

      For those of you that may have missed this great gathering in Tullahoma this past
      weekend, here are a few of my memories.

      http://www.pbase.com/shelbyrv6a/beech_party_2006

      Shelby Smith
      BE23 Nashville, TN

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From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
Date: Oct 25, 2006
Subject: G-35 rear engine baffle      
      My rear engine (E-225) baffle has cracked, and I am looking for one to i
      nstall or use as a pattern.  Does anyone have one to sell?
      Sherman Butler
      Polishing
      Idaho falls

      My rear engine (E-225) baffle has cracked, and I am looking for
       one to install or use as a pattern.  Does anyone have one to sell?

      Sherman Butler
Polishing
Idaho falls

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Date: Oct 25, 2006
From: "A DeMarzo" <planepubs(at)ev1.net>
Subject: Re: G-35 rear engine baffle      
      Sherm;
      Hammock in Ennis, TX used to sell baffles for the E's.  You may look him 
      up and ask if he still does this.

      Sure would be nice if someone manufactured these again!

      On 10/25/2006 5:27:15 PM, llsbiii3(at)netzero.net wrote:
      > My rear engine (E-225) baffle has cracked, and I am looking for one to
      > install or use as a pattern. Does anyone have one to sell?
      > Sherman Butler
      > Polishing
      > Idaho falls
      > 
      > 
      > 
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Date: Oct 25, 2006
From: kai zhao <xrayperformance(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: G-35 rear engine baffle      
      Dear Customer,

      I'm not sure what item you are looking for specifically.

      "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net"  wrote:    My rear engine (E-225)
      baffle has cracked, and I am looking for one to install or use as a pattern. 
      Does anyone have one to sell?
        Sherman Butler
      Polishing
      Idaho falls

      JDM SPORT INC
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Subject: G-35 rear engine baffle
Date: Oct 26, 2006
From: "Hebert, Richard" <Richard.Hebert@t-mobile.com>      
      Hi Sherm,
         Performance Aero on the web can also help out with Baffles. The have
      a hole host of Beechcraft products for most all models.

      Richard Hebert 
      N9365Q A36

      ________________________________

      From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A DeMarzo
      Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:58 PM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: G-35 rear engine baffle

      Sherm;
      Hammock in Ennis, TX used to sell baffles for the E's.  You may look him
      up and ask if he still does this.

      Sure would be nice if someone manufactured these again!

      On 10/25/2006 5:27:15 PM, llsbiii3(at)netzero.net wrote:
      > My rear engine (E-225) baffle has cracked, and I am looking for one to
      > install or use as a pattern. Does anyone have one to sell?
      > Sherman Butler
      > Polishing
      > Idaho falls
      > 
      > 
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Subject: G-35 rear engine baffle
Date: Oct 26, 2006
From: "Hebert, Richard" <Richard.Hebert@t-mobile.com>      
      Hi Sherm - I forgot to include the description to help see if this will
      work. 

      http://www.performanceaero.com/

      Performance Aero, Inc.
      P.O. Box 270
      Grain Valley, Missouri 64029

      (800) 200-3141

      Complete Engine Baffle Seal Kit #1 for 35 Bonanza with E225 Engine
      [Seals] 

      Richard Hebert 

      ________________________________

      From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      llsbiii3(at)netzero.net
      Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:27 PM
      Subject: Beech-List: G-35 rear engine baffle

      My rear engine (E-225) baffle has cracked, and I am looking for one to
      install or use as a pattern.  Does anyone have one to sell?

      Sherman Butler
      Polishing
      Idaho falls

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom  Henderson" <thender(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: G-35 rear engine baffle
Date: Oct 26, 2006      
      Performance has a lot of good stuff, and probably have the rubber baffle 
      seals, but may not have the metal baffle itself.  Worth a look though.

      You might also check with the salvage yards;  Mark Morrisey at Dodson's 
      is good www.dodson.com

      As is Air Salvage of Dallas. www.asod.com

      Others also advertise in ABS magazine.

      You might also check some of the larger engine rebuild/install shops;  
      they may have parts left over from somebody that upgraded to a 
      470/520/550.  Powermaster in Tulsa, Ultimate in Mena, AR, etc.

      -Tom H.
      Ventura, CA

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Hebert, Richard 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:40 AM
        Subject: RE: Beech-List: G-35 rear engine baffle

        Hi Sherm - I forgot to include the description to help see if this 
      will work. 
        http://www.performanceaero.com/

        Performance Aero, Inc.
        P.O. Box 270
        Grain Valley, Missouri 64029

        (800) 200-3141

        Complete Engine Baffle Seal Kit #1 for 35 Bonanza with E225 Engine 
      [Seals] 

        Richard Hebert 

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        From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 
      llsbiii3(at)netzero.net
        Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 6:27 PM
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
        Subject: Beech-List: G-35 rear engine baffle

        My rear engine (E-225) baffle has cracked, and I am looking for one to 
      install or use as a pattern.  Does anyone have one to sell?

        Sherman Butler
        Polishing
        Idaho falls

      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Beech-List">http://www.matroni
      cs.com/Navigator?Beech-List

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From: "jmm" <jmm(at)northboone.com>
Subject: Gear extension
Date: Oct 28, 2006      
      I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
      gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
      switch.

      We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely... but
      extending the gear is another story.  The gear starts to extend, but then
      after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
      circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
      again.

      We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
      There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.

      The plane just came out of annual.  

      Any ideas?

      Mike Maloney

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Date: Oct 29, 2006
From: Charles Reiche <charlieray(at)optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06      

      Check your brushes in the motor. and make sure they are not too old.  There 
      is a service kit for older beech that modifies the electrical system of the 
      gear that reroutes the high current load out of things like your up and down 
      limit switches and changes them to a "control" system.  Im not sure of the 
      kit number but we install it in our shop when the gear travel time exceeds 
      about 10 seconds. Especially in the up direction, if your system takes more 
      than 10 seconds, you should replace the selector switch and the limit 
      switches and it would be a good idea to install the kit....

      Just an Idea,
      Charles

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Beech-List Digest Server" <beech-list(at)matronics.com>
      Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:55 AM
      Subject: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06

      > *
      >
      > =================================================
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      > =================================================
      >
      > Today's complete Beech-List Digest can also be found in either of the
      > two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted
      > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
      > and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
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      > Today's Message Index:
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      >
      >     1. 02:53 PM - Gear extension  (jmm)
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 1 
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > From: "jmm" <jmm(at)northboone.com>
      > Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
      >
      > I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
      > gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
      > switch.
      >
      > We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely... 
      > but
      > extending the gear is another story.  The gear starts to extend, but then
      > after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
      > circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
      > again.
      >
      > We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
      > There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
      >
      > The plane just came out of annual.
      >
      > Any ideas?
      >
      > Mike Maloney
      >
      >
      > 

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From: "GARY ROUTH" <infoserv(at)edge.net>
Subject: RE: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06
Date: Oct 29, 2006      

      Circuit breaker itself is suspect. Age can be the original factor and then
      being "cycled" several times can mean its retirement time for that one.
      Check that before doing more expensive stuff.

      Gary

      > [Original Message]
      > From: Beech-List Digest Server <beech-list(at)matronics.com>
      > To: Beech-List Digest List 
      > Date: 10/29/2006 12:56:57 AM
      > Subject: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06
      >
      > *
      >
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      >  =================================================
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      > Today's Message Index:
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      >  
      >      1. 02:53 PM - Gear extension  (jmm)
      >  
      >  
      >  
      > ________________________________  Message 1 
      _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > From: "jmm" <jmm(at)northboone.com>
      > Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
      >
      > I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
      > gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
      > switch.
      >
      > We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely...
      but
      > extending the gear is another story.  The gear starts to extend, but then
      > after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
      > circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
      > again.
      >
      > We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
      > There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
      >
      > The plane just came out of annual.  
      >
      > Any ideas?
      >
      > Mike Maloney
      >
      >  
      >
      >
      >  
      >  
      >
      >
      > -- 
      10/27/2006

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Date: Oct 29, 2006
From: Rob Breitbarth <rob87b(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06      

      If you are an  ABS member and have the ABS CD, Lew Gage has a number of articles
      about trouble shooting the beech landing gear electrical system.

      It would seem somewhere you have a high ohm reading causing high current draw on
      extension.     Usually the gear motor gives trouble retracting, since this is
      the highest load time, not extending.   It would pay to check the curcuit out
      with an ohm meter including all the switches.

      rob.

      -----Original Message-----
      >From: GARY ROUTH <infoserv(at)edge.net>
      >Sent: Oct 29, 2006 5:14 AM
      >To: Beech-List Digest Server 
      >Subject: Beech-List: RE: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06
      >
      >
      >Circuit breaker itself is suspect. Age can be the original factor and then
      >being "cycled" several times can mean its retirement time for that one.
      >Check that before doing more expensive stuff.
      >
      >Gary
      >
      >
      >> [Original Message]
      >> From: Beech-List Digest Server <beech-list(at)matronics.com>
      >> To: Beech-List Digest List 
      >> Date: 10/29/2006 12:56:57 AM
      >> Subject: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06
      >>
      >> *
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      >>  
      >>            ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>                            Beech-List Digest Archive
      >>                                       ---
      >>                      Total Messages Posted Sat 10/28/06: 1
      >>            ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>  
      >>  
      >> Today's Message Index:
      >> ----------------------
      >>  
      >>      1. 02:53 PM - Gear extension  (jmm)
      >>  
      >>  
      >>  
      >> ________________________________  Message 1 
      >_____________________________________
      >>
      >>
      >> From: "jmm" <jmm(at)northboone.com>
      >> Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
      >>
      >> I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
      >> gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
      >> switch.
      >>
      >> We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely...
      >but
      >> extending the gear is another story.  The gear starts to extend, but then
      >> after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
      >> circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
      >> again.
      >>
      >> We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
      >> There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
      >>
      >> The plane just came out of annual.  
      >>
      >> Any ideas?
      >>
      >> Mike Maloney
      >>
      >>  
      >>
      >>
      >>  
      >>  
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -- 
      >10/27/2006
      >
      >

________________________________________________________________________________
From: <hoot7(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06
Date: Oct 29, 2006      

      Mike,

        I had a problem where the gear circuit breaker popped every time the gear 
      came up. We had the gear motor overhauled, and although it needed it, that 
      wasn't the problem.  My AP finally caught that the ammeter was showing a 
      load after the gear was up until the breaker popped.    Turned out it was 
      one of the gear up limit switches.  There are a total of four normally on or 
      off switches plus one for the gear warning horn located under the front 
      seats.  One of them was sticking when the gear came up thus not shutting off 
      the motor which ultimately caused the breaker to pop.  We replaced all of 
      them, and it works fine.  Arrell has them for $13 apiece.  Hope this helps.

      Dan Gibson
      '66 Debonair, LHM

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Beech-List Digest Server" <beech-list(at)matronics.com>
      Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:55 PM
      Subject: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06

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      >     1. 02:53 PM - Gear extension  (jmm)
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 1 
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > From: "jmm" <jmm(at)northboone.com>
      > Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
      >
      > I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day, we had to go to a manual
      > gear extension because the circuit breaker kept blowing when we moved the
      > switch.
      >
      > We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the gear up very nicely... 
      > but
      > extending the gear is another story.  The gear starts to extend, but then
      > after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit breaker goes.... reset the
      > circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of operation before it goes
      > again.
      >
      > We've taken all the connections off and cleaned them without any change.
      > There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually extending the gear.
      >
      > The plane just came out of annual.
      >
      > Any ideas?
      >
      > Mike Maloney
      >
      >

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Date: Oct 29, 2006
From: OldBob Siegfried <oldbob(at)BeechOwners.com>
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06      

      Good Morning Hoot and Mike,

      A very quick check to catch such a failure is to check
      the amount of free turn that is left after the gear is
      retracted or extended. On all except the very newest
      Bonanzas, and derivative aircraft, there should be
      between one eighth and one quarter turn of free motion
      left after the motor hits the stop switch and the
      mechanism hits the internal mechanical stop.

      That check should absolutely be made any time any work
      is performed on, or any problem develops with, that
      landing gear. I check it myself about every
      twenty-five to fifty hours of operation all year long.

      If the mechanism is allowed to hit the mechanical
      stops, severe internal damage may occur.

      The travel can be easily checked while airborne by
      trying to turn the handle to the right, clockwise.
      (the cranking UP mode). If you are nervous about
      possibly turning it the wrong way, you could pull the
      circuit breaker before trying the check, but if the
      landing gear has retracted fully, turning it to the
      right should not be dangerous at all. If you try to
      extend it without pulling the circuit breaker, you
      could break a wrist if the motor takes over.

      The same method will allow you to check the down
      travel after the landing gear has been extended
      normally. For the gear down travel check, turn the
      handle counter clockwise which is the gear down mode
      of operation.

      Any help at all?

      Happy Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      Stearman N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8503
      --- hoot7(at)earthlink.net wrote:

      > 
      > 
      > Mike,
      > 
      >   I had a problem where the gear circuit breaker
      > popped every time the gear 
      > came up. We had the gear motor overhauled, and
      > although it needed it, that 
      > wasn't the problem.  My AP finally caught that the
      > ammeter was showing a 
      > load after the gear was up until the breaker popped.
      >    Turned out it was 
      > one of the gear up limit switches.  There are a
      > total of four normally on or 
      > off switches plus one for the gear warning horn
      > located under the front 
      > seats.  One of them was sticking when the gear came
      > up thus not shutting off 
      > the motor which ultimately caused the breaker to
      > pop.  We replaced all of 
      > them, and it works fine.  Arrell has them for $13
      > apiece.  Hope this helps.
      > 
      > Dan Gibson
      > '66 Debonair, LHM
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Beech-List Digest Server"
      > 
      > To: "Beech-List Digest List"
      > 
      > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:55 PM
      > Subject: Beech-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/28/06
      > 
      > 
      > > *
      > >
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      > > =================================================
      > >
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      > includes the Digest formatted
      > > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and
      > features Hyperlinked Indexes
      > > and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes
      > the plain ASCII version
      > > of the Beech-List Digest and can be viewed with a
      > generic text editor
      > > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
      > >
      > > HTML Version:
      > >
      > > 
      > >
      >
      http://www.matronics.com/digest/beech-list/Digest.Beech-List.2006-10-28.html
      > >
      > > Text Version:
      > >
      > > 
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      > >          
      >
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      > > Today's Message Index:
      > > ----------------------
      > >
      > >     1. 02:53 PM - Gear extension  (jmm)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________  Message 1 
      > > _____________________________________
      > >
      > >
      > > From: "jmm" <jmm(at)northboone.com>
      > > Subject: Beech-List: Gear extension
      > >
      > > I have a V35A.... when we flew it the other day,
      > we had to go to a manual
      > > gear extension because the circuit breaker kept
      > blowing when we moved the
      > > switch.
      > >
      > > We have it up on jacks now, and it will pull the
      > gear up very nicely... 
      > > but
      > > extending the gear is another story.  The gear
      > starts to extend, but then
      > > after about 3 seconds of operation, the circuit
      > breaker goes.... reset the
      > > circuit breaker and you have another 3 seconds of
      > operation before it goes
      > > again.
      > >
      > > We've taken all the connections off and cleaned
      > them without any change.
      > > There doesn't seem to be any binding when manually
      > extending the gear.
      > >
      > > The plane just came out of annual.
      > >
      > > Any ideas?
      > >
      > > Mike Maloney
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > 
      >
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Date: Oct 29, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...      

      Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),

      For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
      Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam.  I was
      that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.

      If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
      with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".

      Sorry for the hassle...

      Matt Dralle
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      Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November!      

      Dear Listers,

      Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
      and upgrade of the List services at Matronics.  It's through these sole Contributions
      of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.  

      You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc.  This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.

      During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
      reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway.  Each message will generally
      highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail
      a new feature or service that was added this year.  I ask for your patience
      and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
      The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
      bills associated with running these lists.

      Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
      the various Contribution levels.  Most all of these gifts have been provided
      by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
      have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.  

      This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).  

      These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
      web sites.  Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
      line.  I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous
      support of the Lists again this year!!

      You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
      year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check.  All three methods
      afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
      a qualifying Contribution amount!!  

      To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:

      	https://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
      support over the years.  I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
      do feel like family.

      Thank you for your support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum?       

      Hello Listers,

      One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
      of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:

      http://forums.matronics.com

      The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
      email distribution Lists!  That also means that posts go in both directions.
      If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
      Email List.  And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
      it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!  

      So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
      or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!

      Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists?  It is your SOLE Contributions
      that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!

      The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure.  Please surf over and make your
      Contribution today:

      http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 06, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read]      

      Dear Listers,

      By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
      Email Lists system.  Here's how it works...

      During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
      to support your List" emails.  Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
      Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
      of that year?

      Well, that's exactly what I've written!  Following this posting, anyone that makes
      a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
      the rest of the year!

      The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
      Digest distribution!  For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
      email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well!  (Note that
      my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
      Browse, and on the Forum site.)

      For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
      your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
      eligibility.

      So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:  

             Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!

      How sweet is that?  If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
      List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!  

      Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
      your List Contribution this year!!  Don't wait a minute longer to support your
      Lists!

             http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you for your Support!!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet!      :-) 

      If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
      yet made a Contribution to support your Lists!  This is the first PBS-like
      funds drive message under the new distribution system.  The new system selectively
      sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
      out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
      of the Matronics Email Lists!  Don't you wish PBS worked that way?  :-)

      You heard that right.  Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
      messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
      Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature.  I've wanted to
      implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
      a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
      putting it off.  Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
      the code-pounding time it to make it work.  A few days later, bam!  A working
      system!

      Anyway, I'll stop gushing now.  I really do appreciate each and every one of your
      individual Contributions to support the Lists.  It is your support that enables
      me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
      like this.  It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
      and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
      and the air conditioner powered up.  

      Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
      as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running.  I accept exactly
      ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites.  I can't stand
      the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
      these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site. 
      I'm pretty sure you don't either.

      If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
      Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!

      http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation...      

      Dear Listers,

      A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
      this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday. 
      I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
      as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
      AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
      List subscription.  

      If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
      subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
      that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
      instead of the List email.

      I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
      way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions.  Again, this is
      ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
      same.  Otherwise, everything works great.

      If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
      match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
      message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
      update the records so that things will work as advertised.

      Sorry for the hassle!  New code; new bugs...  :-)

      To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administration

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wiki...      

      Dear Listers,

      I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year.  What's a Wiki, you ask?  Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:

      A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ]  or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
      that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
      and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
      This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
      collaborative authoring.  The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
      itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
      or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
      wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.

      Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
      Wiki available!  It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
      that suits them.  The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
      structure and persistence.  The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
      a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers.  But once the
      question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore.  If a
      new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
      he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
      The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
      There are several things that happen as a result:

          1. The person gets his or her question answered;

          2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;

          3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
      at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...

      So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
      You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
      So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki! 

      It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
      something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
      It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
      and structure. 

      But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect?  No problem!  Anyone else
      coming along can edit the article!  If I write something and you discover something
      I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then! 

      So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
      maintaining, and understanding our airplanes. 

      But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not?  Don't worry.  Write
      it down.  Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate.  If it is,
      he/she will read it.  If it isn't, he/she won't.  It's as simple as that. 

      And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
      is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
      the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page. 

      The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
      this just become a mass of garbage?  Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
      no.  If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
      written by whoever wants to write articles.  The articles there are as good
      as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
      to.

      So don't hesitate.  Write it down.  Put it here.  It will never hurt anyone.  The
      more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
      and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.

      Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):

      http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal

      But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
      features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!!  November is List Fund
      Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
      Contribution.  Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
      upgrade of these great services!!!  Thank you!

      http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: WLAS [Please Read]      

      Dear Listers,

      I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
      List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
      I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
      things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
      are to them.  

      I've included quite a few of these nice comments below.  Please read over some
      of this great Lister feedback.  No doubt you will find that you agree with at
      least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them!  If you find that do,
      won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!!  Its fast
      and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
      feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
      Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*!  How cool
      is that?  (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
      matches exactly your subscribed List email address.  An exact match is how
      it works.)

      Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

      ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================

      Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
      						-Owen B

      I love The Matronics...
      						-Robeto B

      My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
      						-Hal B

      These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
      						-Bob R

      The best source of information for my a/c.
      						-Tony C

      The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
      						-Herbert H

      You do more good than you can imagine.  I wish I'd known 
      about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are 
      still an after-the-fact resource.
      						-Ben B

      ..an excellent site.
      						-Ashley M

      The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith 
      CH 701 project!!
      						-Brian U

      I appreciate the list being here for me.
      						-Geoff H

      ..a great service.
      						-William C

      The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
      						-David M

      Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
      						-Thomas S

      ..a great service.
      						-Robert W

      The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
      						-Benjamin W

      The Yak-list is Awesome!
      						-James S

      ..great service.
      						-Robert S

      The features you have implemented recently have you poised 
      to knock out yahoo groups...
      						-Danny D

      I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
      						-Ken E

      ..great service.
      						-David P

      Very useful web site.
      						-Wayne E

      ..a very valuable service.
      						-Chris D

      Great sites...
      						-Randall R

      I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so 
      cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
      						-Wayne E

      Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
      						-Fergus K

      The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the 
      donation...
      						-Lee P

      ..great service!
      						-Christopher D

      I really don't think I could be building my plane without the 
      wisdom I find on this list.
      						-William G

      It really makes building a pleasure.
      						-James P

      ..great service.
      						-Doug W

      I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
      think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
      						-Stanislaus S

      Marvelous service.  Couldn't have done it without you.
      						-Jim G

      Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
      						-Michael S

      ..good service.
      						-Derek L

      The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
      and educating me in the process.
      						-Jeff D

      Definitely worth the donation.
      						-Ron L

      ..great service to the aviation community.
      						-Tony P

      I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still 
      get valuable information from this service.
      						-Don N

      A very helpful site.
      						-Roland S

      It's a great community to be part of.
      						-David L

      Great sites.
      						-John C

      A great place to find and share not only information but to 
      meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
      						-Uncle Craig

      Great facility.
      						-Peter H

      Its a great source of information!
      						-Michael W

      Great improvements to the List...
      						-Edward A

      Great service!!!
      						-Rich D

      ..great resource!
      						-William C

      ..excellent lists!
      						-Michael S

      Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
      						-Warren M

      ..a great service...
      						-James N

      I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the 
      building of my Europa.
      						-Svein J

      ..another great year.
      						-Robert D

      ..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
      						-David A

      ..excellent service.
      						-Gregory B

      I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
      and look forward to it every day!
      						-Smith M

      ..a great communication tool...
      						-Jon M

      Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
      your great list!
      						-Lothar K

      ..a valuable service.  At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto 
      place for my RV questions.
      						-Mike D

      ================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC      

      Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
      that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.  Its sort
      of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
      appreciation for the Lists.

      Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
      (LOC)?  As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
      at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
      building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!

      Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC!  Show others
      that you appreciate the Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
      fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:

          http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or by popping a personal check in the mail to:

          Matt Dralle / Matronics
          PO Box 347
          Livermore CA 94551-0347 

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far in this year's List Fund Raiser!  Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
      these Lists going and improving!  Don't forget to include a little comment
      about how the Lists have helped you!

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Value...      

      If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
      written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
      of Entertainment from the Lists each year.  You'd pay twice that for a subscription
      to some lame magazine or even a dinner out.  Isn't the List worth at
      least that much to you?  Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
      and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
      Come to think of it, you do...  

      Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
      Lists?

      Contribution Page:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
      during this year's List Fund Raiser!!  These Lists are made possible exclusively
      through YOUR generosity!!

      Thank you for your support!

      Matt Dralle
      Email List Admin.

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Why? [Please Read]       

      Dear Listers,

      Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
      to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
      over the commercial equivalents.  

      I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
      a high performance email list site such as this one.  With the annual support
      from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
      the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
      banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
      garbage nobody wants or needs.  From the comments I've received over the years
      regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
      the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
      once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.

      I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
      the commercial equivalents in a number of ways.  The first feature I believe to
      be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
      Lists directly.  Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
      stripped off prior to posting.  I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
      that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
      can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
      they are posted.  Safe and simple.

      Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
      Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching.  The Archives
      go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
      fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
      finding the data you're looking for.

      And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
      the Web BBS-style of List interaction.  The beauty of the new List Forums
      is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email.  Messages
      posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
      The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
      other files.  Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
      members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
      aspects of their project for all to share.

      I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
      about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
      RVs.  It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
      an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!!  Additionally,
      the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
      accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
      delivered to Matronics List subscribers!  I think there's a lot of value in
      supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
      improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!

      I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
      quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
      Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
      The Lists will be here for a long time to come.  If you just want to lurk
      a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so.  If you use, appreciate,
      and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
      Annual List Fund Raiser!

      List Contribution Web Site:

      http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...      

      Dear Listers,

      Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser.  Please make a Contribution
      today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
      List services!!  Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
      too!

      The Contribution Site is fast and easy:

            http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution!      

      Dear Listers,

      There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser.  I thought
      it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
      receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them.  There are
      some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
      look at some of them.

      Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
      in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
      this year!  This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
      now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest!  (Note that for technical
      reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
      will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it.  Contribution messages
      will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).

      Please make your Contribution today to support these List services!  Pick up a
      great Gift too!

      http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

      ============================= WLAS #2 ============================

      Tackling my project without the List would be like
      building on a deserted island.  The List has made me
      part of a learning (and laughing) community.            -Larry W

      Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
      Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
      wonderful resource available.                           -Geoff T

      ..you do a great service for the flying community by
      providing this service.                                 -John L

      ..solidly administered.                                -James C

      A great source of information.                          -Ralph S

      The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives...       -James F

      ..exceptional user service.                            -Larry W

      Better than a magazine!                                 -Aaron G

      Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
      my project.  Without the help of the great people on
      your List I doubt it would have happened.               -Ed G

      I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
      these lists!                                            -Ralph C

      ..valuable service.                                    -John F

      ..a well administered service.                         -Stewart C

      Great forum!                                            -Ronald C

      A great service!                                        -Andy H

      Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
      work and as necessary to me as a rivet.                 -Albert G

      The lists are a great help.                             -Gary S

      This resource has been critical to my building success
      so far.                                                 -Timothy F

      Great system and support!                               -Richard P

      Very helpful in the building my CH 701.                 -Ralph S

      Another year of entertainment and pleasure!             -Larry B

      A great resource for all of us.                         -Larry W

      Another year of great service!  Once again, the
      information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
      Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
      I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
      friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
      to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
      gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
      beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
      flyer's success...                                      -Robert  B

      Our list has great info and I love reading the
      "Flame Posts! "                                         -Stephen  M

      Great service!                                          -James B

      Excellent source of information.                        -David P

      You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
      community.                                              -David H

      The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the
      construction of my RV-7...                              -Norman R

      Awesome list!!                                          -John E

      Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable!             -Herbert G

      Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
      with my fellow RV-10 builders.                          -David J

      I love the list and have been a reader for a long
      time.                                                   -James V

      Continues to be a great service!                        -George A

      Awesome List server.                                    -Deke M

      Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
      [the List].  With it, I'm getting close!                -Ronald C

      An excellent source of both information and
      inspiration!                                            -William R

      Forums and format are easy to use.                      -Jack B

      Great help with my kit building.                        -Ralph H

      Super service.                                          -Richard N

      Still loving it.                                        -Jared S

      You have a fantastic web!                               -Harvey R

      ..a great service.                                     -James M

      Glad you are there...                                   -David A

      I get some great information on your list.              -John P

      Fantastic service.  Couldn't have made it as far
      as I have without it.                                   -Stephen T

      A great learning experience with my RV-6A.              -Ron B

      Great resources!                                        -Jason H

      Well done.  Very valuable.                              -Jeffrey D

      Great resource for the experimental aircraft
      community.                                              -Chris H

      This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
      building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
      have any help readily available. Without the List,
      I could not have embarked on building my RV-10.         -Jim H

      You run a great list there.                             -James H

      Really like the Kolb List.                              -Don W

      ============================= WLAS #2 ============================

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed!      

      Dear Listers, 

      The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner!  On December 1st I post
      a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
      Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
      appreciation for the Lists.

      As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List
      seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
      your magazine subscription!  And how interactive is a magazine, after all?  :-)

      Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?  Tell others
      that you appreciate the Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists
      is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to:

              Matronics / Matt Dralle
              PO Box 347
              Livermore CA 94551-0347
              USA
      	(Please include your email address on the check!) 

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far during this year's List Fund Raiser!  Remember that its YOUR support that
      keeps these Lists running and improving!  Don't forget to include a little comment
      about how the Lists have helped you!

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read]      

      Dear Listers,

      Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists?  Well, I've been working in
      the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
      networking design and implementation.  I have also done extensive work in web
      development and CGI design during this period.  

      I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
      from around the world.  Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
      related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
      as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.

      For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
      locally.  Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
      infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
      a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
      connection with full static addressing.  

      The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux
      server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to
      the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a
      remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard
      drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded
      to over 6 Terra Bytes!  This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade
      uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
      available even during a local power outage!  Speaking of power, imagine how much
      electricity it takes to run all of these systems.  One month this Summer,
      I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!

      I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
      feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
      Center for the Matronics Email Lists.  This year I added another rack to house
      the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
      first rack!  Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
      of the second rack:

              http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg

      As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
      providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.

      But building and running this system isn't cheap.  As I've stated before, I don't
      support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists.  It
      is supported 100% through List member Contributions!  That means you...  and you...
      and YOU!

      To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
      a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
      system.  Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!

      Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:

              Matronics / Matt Dralle
              PO Box 347
              Livermore CA 94551-0347
              USA
              (Please include your email address on the check!) 

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2006
From: dave <pilot(at)harnitchek.net>
Subject: Re: Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please       Read]

      Matt,
      Are there two lists?  Your address comes through as 
      beech-list(at)matronics.com.   Most of the list emails come through as 
      beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org.   
      Thanks
      Dave

      Matt Dralle wrote:
      >
      >
      > Dear Listers,
      >
      > Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists?  Well, I've been working
      in the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
      networking design and implementation.  I have also done extensive work in web
      development and CGI design during this period.  
      >
      > I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
      from around the world.  Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
      related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services
      such as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
      >
      > For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
      locally.  Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
      infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam
      filter, a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
      connection with full static addressing.  
      >
      > The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux
      server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to
      the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as
      a remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard
      drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded
      to over 6 Terra Bytes!  This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade
      uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
      available even during a local power outage!  Speaking of power, imagine how
      much electricity it takes to run all of these systems.  One month this Summer,
      I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
      >
      > I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new
      power feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
      Center for the Matronics Email Lists.  This year I added another rack to
      house the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
      first rack!  Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the
      addition of the second rack:
      >
      >         http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
      >
      > As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated
      to providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
      >
      > But building and running this system isn't cheap.  As I've stated before, I don't
      support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists.  It
      is supported 100% through List member Contributions!  That means you...  and
      you...  and YOU!
      >
      > To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
      a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this
      ever-expanding system.  Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
      >
      > Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
      >
      >         http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      >
      > Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
      >
      >         Matronics / Matt Dralle
      >         PO Box 347
      >         Livermore CA 94551-0347
      >         USA
      >         (Please include your email address on the check!) 
      >
      > Thank you!
      >
      > Matt Dralle
      > Matronics Email List Administrator
      >
      >
      >   

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Gear extension
From: "tacomaboy" <manicmachanic(at)mn.rr.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2006      

      Have you checked to see if the dynamic brake relay is energized when the switch
      is moved to the down position? this will cause the breaker to pop. this condition
      is most likely caused by a loose or broken microswitch. The next most likely
      suspect would be the switch its self.

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77833#77833

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!       

      Dear Listers,

      Well, its November 30th and that means three things...  

      	1) Today I am now officially 43 years old...  (arg...)

      	2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!  

      	3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)

      If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
      no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
      their continued operation and upkeep.  Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
      to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.

      I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is
      on it!  :-)

      Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year!  It is greatly
      appreciated.

      	List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors      

      Dear Listers,

      I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
      this year!  It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
      the Lists!  As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
      of love.  Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great
      sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.

      If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
      feel free to do so.  The nice List gifts will be available on the site for
      just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your
      great gift.  Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise.  These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products.  Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!!  Your support is very much appreciated!

      And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current
      as of 12/7/06!  Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
      that make all of these List services possible!  I can't thank each of you enough
      for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!

      THANK YOU!

      	http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html

      I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
      everything out by the end of the month.  In most cases, gifts will be shipped
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      weekend.

      Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!

      Best regards,

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      Matronics Email List Administrator

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Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net
Subject: starter switch update      
      Greetings

      I need the starter switch for  a 1955 Twin Bonanza

      It is item 122 in figure 78 in the IPC

      Even though the part number shown is 9095 I ordered that and got a completely different
      switch.
      In fact; there is no part number on the switch itself; only "Made in USA" which
      although it explains why it lasted 52 years does not help get a new one.

      Since this part number is somewhat generic and may have been assigned to several
      different parts or switches
      I am attaching a photo of what I need.  If you have time please take a look and
      let me know if you have this perhaps under a different part number??

      Thanks
      David Walen
      davewsr(at)earthlink.net
      910 232-2712

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MikeTruffer" <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: starter switch update
Date: Feb 14, 2007      
      When the starter switch of my H35 failed years ago, a mechanic replaced 
      it with one of a similar form factor but was clearly not an identical 
      replacement. I don't know where he got it, but it wasn't from Beech. It 
      may have been from the aviation section of Radio Shack or Newark. So far 
      so good. -- Mike Truffer

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net 
        To: davewsr(at)earthlink.net 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:21 AM
        Subject: Beech-List: starter switch update

        Greetings

        I need the starter switch for  a 1955 Twin Bonanza

        It is item 122 in figure 78 in the IPC

        Even though the part number shown is 9095 I ordered that and got a 
      completely different switch.
        In fact; there is no part number on the switch itself; only "Made in 
      USA" which although it explains why it lasted 52 years does not help get 
      a new one.

        Since this part number is somewhat generic and may have been assigned 
      to several different parts or switches
        I am attaching a photo of what I need.  If you have time please take a 
      look and let me know if you have this perhaps under a different part 
      number??

        Thanks
        David Walen
        davewsr(at)earthlink.net
        910 232-2712

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: starter switch update
Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: "Masterson, Fred" <Fred.Masterson(at)airliquide.com>      

      I have a 1947 Bonanza SS# D-495 with what appears to be the same push button 
      switch for the starter. I have both an old and a new parts book.
      I will look tonight and see what numbers I come up with.
      The Bonanza's used a lot of automotive parts through the late "50s and
      it may be the same as a starter button for a 6 volt car as they were heavier
      duty than the ones needed for 12 volt.
      Go to www.vintagebonanza.com and there is pages for maintenance and refurbishment
      with sources and suppliers for these types of items.

      Fred Masterson

      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
      davewsr(at)earthlink.net
      Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:22 AM
      Subject: Beech-List: starter switch update

      Greetings

      I need the starter switch for  a 1955 Twin Bonanza

      It is item 122 in figure 78 in the IPC

      Even though the part number shown is 9095 I ordered that and got a completely different
      switch.
      In fact; there is no part number on the switch itself; only "Made in USA" which
      although it explains why it lasted 52 years does not help get a new one.

      Since this part number is somewhat generic and may have been assigned to several
      different parts or switches
      I am attaching a photo of what I need.  If you have time please take a look and
      let me know if you have this perhaps under a different part number??

      Thanks
      David Walen
      davewsr(at)earthlink.net
      910 232-2712

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: Hal Kempthorne <hal_kempthorne(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: PRICES (was  starter switch update)      
      I used to own a Debonair.  Mechanic said new throttle cable was needed due 
      to covering being nicked :-(=0A=0AFrom Beech about $650!  From some dealer 
      about $350.  As I was also building an experimental Vans RV6a, I looked in 
      my Aircraft Spruce catalog and found a cable that looked like a match for a
      bout $68.00!  I called and found out that it is used on Beech but this one 
      would come without paperwork.  Made by Cablecraft.  Oredered from dealer an
      d when it came it was same numbers and made by Cablecraft.=0A=0ACall it the
       exhorbitant price of the standard type certificate.=0A=0Ahal=0A=0A=0A-----
       Original Message ----=0AFrom: MikeTruffer <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>=0ATo: bee
      ch-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:48:45 AM=0ASub
      ject: Re: Beech-List: starter switch update=0A=0A=EF=BB =0AWhen the star
      ter switch of my H35 failed years ago, a mechanic replaced it with one of a
       similar form factor but was clearly not an identical replacement. I don't 
      know where he got it, but it wasn't from Beech. It may have been from the a
      viation section of Radio Shack or Newark. So far so good. -- Mike Truffer
      =0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: davewsr(at)earthlink.net =0AT
      o: davewsr(at)earthlink.net =0ASent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:21 AM=0AS
      ubject: Beech-List: starter switch update=0A=0A=0AGreetings=0A=0AI need the
       starter switch for  a 1955 Twin Bonanza=0A=0AIt is item 122 in figure 78 i
      n the IPC=0A =0AEven though the part number shown is 9095 I ordered that an
      d got a completely different switch.=0AIn fact; there is no part number on 
      the switch itself; only "Made in USA" which although it explains why it las
      ted 52 years does not help get a new one.=0A=0ASince this part number is so
      mewhat generic and may have been assigned to several different parts or swi
      tches=0AI am attaching a photo of what I need.  If you have time please tak
      e a look and let me know if you have this perhaps under a different part nu
      mber??=0A =0AThanks=0ADavid Walen=0Adavewsr(at)earthlink.net=0A910 232-2712=0A
      ===

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: Mike Blakeney <mikeblakeney(at)jam.rr.com>
Subject: Re: starter switch update      
      Grummans use a switch like that.

      You might check with Garner at Fletchair the main Grumman parts
      supplier.

      www.fletchair.com

      Mike Blakeney
      Former Grumman Owner
      Now E33

        *Mike Blakeney*

      Phone: 318-348-3452

      Fax: 318-388-1573

      mike(at)mikeblakeney.com 

      Hrs 9-5 M-Thurs  9-12N Fri (CST)
      http://www.mikeblakeney.com/**

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: JIM AITKEN <matrix02(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: PRICES (was  starter switch update)      

      A better push switch can be obtained from any tractor dealer like John Deere. They
      are subjected to worse vibration than an aeroplane.

      The cover of a push pull cable can be revived by shrinking on electrical heat shrink
      tubing. The friction and stiction can be eliminated by removing the ball
      end joint, clamping on a hose, then pressurizing the core with a pressure pot
      and Mil 5606 oil. 

      Jim

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Hal Kempthorne <hal_kempthorne(at)sbcglobal.net>
      Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:48 pm
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: PRICES (was  starter switch update)

      > I used to own a Debonair.  Mechanic said new throttle cable was 
      > needed due to covering being nicked :-(
      > 
      > From Beech about $650!  From some dealer about $350.  As I was 
      > also building an experimental Vans RV6a, I looked in my Aircraft 
      > Spruce catalog and found a cable that looked like a match for 
      > about $68.00!  I called and found out that it is used on Beech but 
      > this one would come without paperwork.  Made by Cablecraft.  
      > Oredered from dealer and when it came it was same numbers and made 
      > by Cablecraft.
      > 
      > Call it the exhorbitant price of the standard type certificate.
      > 
      > hal
      > 
      > 
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: MikeTruffer <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
      > To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:48:45 AM
      > Subject: Re: Beech-List: starter switch update
      > 
      >  
      > When the starter switch of my H35 failed years ago, a mechanic 
      > replaced it with one of a similar form factor but was clearly not 
      > an identical replacement. I don't know where he got it, but it 
      > wasn't from Beech. It may have been from the aviation section of 
      > Radio Shack or Newark. So far so good. -- Mike Truffer
      > 
      > 
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net 
      > To: davewsr(at)earthlink.net 
      > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:21 AM
      > Subject: Beech-List: starter switch update
      > 
      > 
      > Greetings
      > 
      > I need the starter switch for  a 1955 Twin Bonanza
      > 
      > It is item 122 in figure 78 in the IPC
      > 
      > Even though the part number shown is 9095 I ordered that and got a 
      > completely different switch.
      > In fact; there is no part number on the switch itself; only "Made 
      > in USA" which although it explains why it lasted 52 years does not 
      > help get a new one.
      > 
      > Since this part number is somewhat generic and may have been 
      > assigned to several different parts or switches
      > I am attaching a photo of what I need.  If you have time please 
      > take a look and let me know if you have this perhaps under a 
      > different part number??
      > 
      > Thanks
      > David Walen
      > davewsr(at)earthlink.net
      > 910 232-2712
      > ===

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: Hal Kempthorne <hal_kempthorne(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: PRICES (was  starter switch update)      
      I'm sure you are right, Jim, but now you have an experimental aircraft!  At
       least, not a legal one.=0A=0Ahal=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro
      m: JIM AITKEN =0ATo: beech-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed
      nesday, February 14, 2007 12:47:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Beech-List: PRICES (wa
      EN =0A=0AA better push switch can be obtained from any tr
      actor dealer like John Deere. They are subjected to worse vibration than an
       aeroplane.=0A=0AThe cover of a push pull cable can be revived by shrinking
       on electrical heat shrink tubing. The friction and stiction can be elimina
      ted by removing the ball end joint, clamping on a hose, then pressurizing t
      he core with a pressure pot and Mil 5606 oil. =0A=0AJim=0A=0A----- Original
       Message -----=0AFrom: Hal Kempthorne <hal_kempthorne(at)sbcglobal.net>=0ADate
      : Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:48 pm=0ASubject: Re: Beech-List: PRICES (
      was  starter switch update)=0A=0A> I used to own a Debonair.  Mechanic said
       new throttle cable was =0A> needed due to covering being nicked :-(=0A> 
      =0A> From Beech about $650!  From some dealer about $350.  As I was =0A> al
      so building an experimental Vans RV6a, I looked in my Aircraft =0A> Spruce 
      catalog and found a cable that looked like a match for =0A> about $68.00!  
      I called and found out that it is used on Beech but =0A> this one would com
      e without paperwork.  Made by Cablecraft.  =0A> Oredered from dealer and wh
      en it came it was same numbers and made =0A> by Cablecraft.=0A> =0A> Call i
      t the exhorbitant price of the standard type certificate.=0A> =0A> hal=0A> 
      =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: MikeTruffer <lindbergh@cfl.
      rr.com>=0A> To: beech-list(at)matronics.com=0A> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 
      2007 9:48:45 AM=0A> Subject: Re: Beech-List: starter switch update=0A> =0A>
        =0A> When the starter switch of my H35 failed years ago, a mechan
      ic =0A> replaced it with one of a similar form factor but was clearly not 
      =0A> an identical replacement. I don't know where he got it, but it =0A> wa
      sn't from Beech. It may have been from the aviation section of =0A> Radio S
      hack or Newark. So far so good. -- Mike Truffer=0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Origina
      l Message ----- =0A> From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net =0A> To: davewsr@earthlink
      .net =0A> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 11:21 AM=0A> Subject: Beech-Li
      st: starter switch update=0A> =0A> =0A> Greetings=0A> =0A> I need the start
      er switch for  a 1955 Twin Bonanza=0A> =0A> It is item 122 in figure 78 in 
      the IPC=0A> =0A> Even though the part number shown is 9095 I ordered that a
      nd got a =0A> completely different switch.=0A> In fact; there is no part nu
      mber on the switch itself; only "Made =0A> in USA" which although it explai
      ns why it lasted 52 years does not =0A> help get a new one.=0A> =0A> Since 
      this part number is somewhat generic and may have been =0A> assigned to sev
      eral different parts or switches=0A> I am attaching a photo of what I need.
        If you have time please =0A> take a look and let me know if you have this
       perhaps under a =0A> different part number??=0A> =0A> Thanks=0A> David Wal
      =====================

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 14, 2007
From: Hal Kempthorne <hal_kempthorne(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: starter switch update      
      de.com=0A=0A.....=0AThe Bonanza's used a lot of automotive parts through th
      e late "50s and=0A=0AI was told that the landing gear gearbox was a Chrysle
      r convertible top unit!  Never verified it.=0A=0Ahal

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Strong" <gjstrong(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Camping at Oshkosh
Date: Jul 03, 2007      
      Myself and a large group of friends camp in Paul's Park at Oshkosh. This is
      the camping area that is the closest to the 4 buildings main gate (a little
      over a block walk), as well as has lots of trees for shade. Since most of us
      volunteer, its sometimes referred to as the volunteer's campground but there
      is no requirement to volunteer.

      These are absolutely the best camping spots at Oshkosh. To get these prime
      spots, you have to go a month ahead of time and pay for each day from the
      day you register until the end of the show. This runs $570 for the month.
      Unfortunately several people have had to cancel at the last minute, so I
      have one of our camping spots for sale. You can see the map at
      http://www.airventure.org/2007/planning/camp_scholler_map.html

      If anyone is interested in purchasing this camping site from me, please send
      me an email at gjstrong(at)comcst.net

      thanks!
      Gary
      N761T

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 08, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums!      

      Dear Listers,

      Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
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      	http://forums.matronics.com

      Enjoy!

      Matt Dralle
      Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hodde ATT" <hodde(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/07/07
Date: Oct 08, 2007      

      Hey Guys!  Is there a more active mail list out there for Bonanzas?  This 
      one doesn't have much activity - Thanks - Doug

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Beech-List Digest Server" <beech-list(at)matronics.com>
      Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:55 AM
      Subject: Beech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/07/07

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      >
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      > two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted
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      > and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
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      > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
      >
      > HTML Version:
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 08, 2007
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/07/07      

      In a message dated 10/8/2007 10:17:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
      hodde(at)att.net writes:

      Hey  Guys!  Is there a more active mail list out there for Bonanzas?   This 
      one doesn't have much activity - Thanks -  Doug

      Good Morning Doug,

      This list has been busy at times, but one that is quite a bit more active  is 
      provided by Howard Page and can be found at: 
      _http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/beech-owners_ 
      (http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/beech-owners) 

      Sign up and join the group!

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630  985-8503

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From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: E-185 scavenge pump housing
Date: Oct 08, 2007      

      Hello Listers:

      On a E-185 series engine, the scavenge pump housing bolts onto the lower 
      front face of the accessory case with 6 bolts.  In the parts book, no gasket 
      is shown.  In the engine overhaul manual, the instructions tell how to 
      install it with no mention of gasket or other joint sealant.

      Could someone in the know give me a short talk on how this housing is 
      installed where oil doesn't leak.

      I have the intake spider and oil return tubes removed for regasketing to 
      cure some oil leaks, and am looking at the scavenge pump housing and 
      wondering if I should pull it and reseal it somehow while it's accessable, 
      but need more ifo.  If it has no gasket, and uses no other sealant, what 
      kind of metal to metal fit does it have where oil doesn't leak.

      Thanks,

      Randy, Las Vegas

      1948 Model 35 

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Subject: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!      

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From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
Date: Nov 11, 2007      

      >
      Anyone have any experience or information on changing the nose bowl  
      on a J35. Any one have a J 35 nose bowl for sale.
      Thanks Bob

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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement      

      A friend of mine, restoring a B model Bonanza, split his nose bowl horizontally
      at the bottom of the Air inlets. He then fabricated a strong system that reattaches
      it. This way he could get the engine in and out easier. 
      Having said that he is about the best mechanic I know. He has the engineering data
      worked up and has been told that approval should be no problem. It added a
      small amout of weight. 

      Blue Skies, Steve
      1948 Straight 35
      San Antonio 

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
      Date: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:26
      Subject: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement

      > 
      > >
      > Anyone have any experience or information on changing the nose 
      > bowl  
      > on a J35. Any one have a J 35 nose bowl for sale.
      > Thanks Bob
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 

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From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement      
      Good Morning Steve,

      It appears that your friend is reinventing the wheel!

      Beech splits the nose bowl cowl on their factory turbocharged airplanes for  
      the same reason. They do it about in the middle of the bug eyes. I would tend 
      to  duplicate what Beech has done if I wanted to split mine.

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8503  

      In a message dated 11/12/2007 8:19:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
      steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:

      -->  Beech-List message posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG"  

      A friend of mine, restoring a B  model Bonanza, split his nose bowl 
      horizontally at the bottom of the Air  inlets. He then fabricated a strong system
      that 
      reattaches it. This way he  could get the engine in and out easier. 
      Having said that he is about the  best mechanic I know. He has the 
      engineering data worked up and has been told  that approval should be no problem.
      It 
      added a small amount of weight.  

      Blue Skies, Steve
      1948 Straight 35
      San Antonio  

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From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
Date: Nov 12, 2007      
      The nosebowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to the remaind
      er using doubler plates.  I think this is probably the same on all models w
      ith the IO-520 engine.  It would be quite easy to drill out the rivets, whi
      ch would allow lifting the engine almost straight upwards instead of the ex
      treme tilting that is now required.  The rivets could be replaced with nutp
      lates and screws which would allow for future removal of the top nosebowl p
      iece.  This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken.  Of cour
      se this would require a field approval and 337 form as this probably goes b
      eyond what constitutes a minor modification.  I'm really surprised that som
      eone has not obtained a multiple STC for this modification.

      Cliff Hanson  A&P/IA
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:49 AM
        Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement

        Good Morning Steve,

        It appears that your friend is reinventing the wheel!

        Beech splits the nose bowl cowl on their factory turbocharged airplanes f
      or the same reason. They do it about in the middle of the bug eyes. I would
       tend to duplicate what Beech has done if I wanted to split mine.

        Happy Skies,

        Old Bob
        AKA
        Bob Siegfried
        Ancient Aviator
        Stearman N3977A
        Brookeridge Air Park LL22
        Downers Grove, IL 60516
        630 985-8503 

        In a message dated 11/12/2007 8:19:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, steven.
      d.dortch(at)us.army.mil writes:
      d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>

          A friend of mine, restoring a B model Bonanza, split his nose bowl hori
      zontally at the bottom of the Air inlets. He then fabricated a strong syste
      m that reattaches it. This way he could get the engine in and out easier. 
          Having said that he is about the best mechanic I know. He has the engin
      eering data worked up and has been told that approval should be no problem.
       It added a small amount of weight. 

          Blue Skies, Steve
          1948 Straight 35
          San Antonio 

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From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement      
      Good Afternoon Cliff,

      Sounds like you have one of the old style nose bowls that were modified at  
      the factory to accommodate the canted engine starting with the S35. 

      Once they ran out of the old ones, that upper section was no longer used  and 
      the nose bowl was once again a one piece item with the exception I mentioned  
      earlier. In those factory turbocharged airplanes, they split the nose bowl on 
       each side about half way from the top to the bottom of the air inlets. The  
      flange was riveted to one half and screwed to the other to provide easy 
      removal  for engine changes.. 

      Once again, why reinvent the wheel? 

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630  985-8503

      In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:41:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,  flyv35b@m
      inetfiber.com writes:

      The nose bowl on my V35B has a  center section that is riveted to the 
      remainder using doubler plates.  I  think this is probably the same on all models

      with the IO-520 engine.  It  would be quite easy to drill out the rivets, which

      would allow lifting the  engine almost straight upwards instead of the extreme

      tilting that is now  required.  The rivets could be replaced with nutplates 
      and screws which  would allow for future removal of the top nosebowl piece.  
      This is how  the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken.  Of course this 
      would  require a field approval and 337 form as this probably goes beyond what

      constitutes a minor modification.  I'm really surprised that someone has  not 
      obtained a multiple STC for this modification.

      Cliff Hanson   A&P/IA

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Date: Nov 12, 2007
From: village pizza <village_pizza(at)vermontel.net>
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement      

      Old Bob, Your Mail is coming in from Matronics,
      and it looks like html,
      We are using beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org,
      Now I am all confused!!! :-( ,
      Kostas

      BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
      > Good Afternoon Cliff,
      > Sounds like you have one of the old style nose bowls that were 
      > modified at the factory to accommodate the canted engine starting with 
      > the S35.
      > Once they ran out of the old ones, that upper section was no longer 
      > used and the nose bowl was once again a one piece item with the 
      > exception I mentioned earlier. In those factory turbocharged 
      > airplanes, they split the nose bowl on each side about half way from 
      > the top to the bottom of the air inlets. The flange was riveted to one 
      > half and screwed to the other to provide easy removal for engine 
      > changes..
      > Once again, why reinvent the wheel?
      > Happy Skies,
      >
      > Old Bob
      > AKA
      > Bob Siegfried
      > Ancient Aviator
      > Stearman N3977A
      > Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      > Downers Grove, IL 60516
      > 630 985-8503
      > In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:41:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
      > flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com writes:
      >
      >     *The nose bowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to
      >     the remainder using doubler plates. I think this is probably the
      >     same on all models with the IO-520 engine. It would be quite easy
      >     to drill out the rivets, which would allow lifting the engine
      >     almost straight upwards instead of the extreme tilting that is now
      >     required. The rivets could be replaced with nutplates and screws
      >     which would allow for future removal of the top nosebowl piece.
      >     This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken. Of
      >     course this would require a field approval and 337 form as this
      >     probably goes beyond what constitutes a minor modification. I'm
      >     really surprised that someone has not obtained a multiple STC for
      >     this modification.*
      >     **
      >     *Cliff Hanson A&P/IA*
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > *
      >
      >
      > *

      -- 
      -?-FLY-?-
         Kostas
       V35A N44CM
       Springfield VT.

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From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
Date: Nov 12, 2007      
      Hi Bob,

      What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use nut-plates for 
      easy removal like the factory=3F  Couldn't that be a minor modification=3F

      Cliff
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:39 AM
        Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement

        Good Afternoon Cliff,

        Sounds like you have one of the old style nose bowls that were modified a
      t the factory to accommodate the canted engine starting with the S35. 

        Once they ran out of the old ones, that upper section was no longer used 
      and the nose bowl was once again a one piece item with the exception I ment
      ioned earlier. In those factory turbocharged airplanes, they split the nose
       bowl on each side about half way from the top to the bottom of the air inl
      ets. The flange was riveted to one half and screwed to the other to provide
       easy removal for engine changes.. 

        Once again, why reinvent the wheel=3F 

        Happy Skies,

        Old Bob
        AKA
        Bob Siegfried
        Ancient Aviator
        Stearman N3977A
        Brookeridge Air Park LL22
        Downers Grove, IL 60516
        630 985-8503

        In a message dated 11/12/2007 11:41:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, flyv35
      b(at)minetfiber.com writes:
          The nose bowl on my V35B has a center section that is riveted to the re
      mainder using doubler plates.  I think this is probably the same on all mod
      els with the IO-520 engine.  It would be quite easy to drill out the rivets
      , which would allow lifting the engine almost straight upwards instead of t
      he extreme tilting that is now required.  The rivets could be replaced with
       nutplates and screws which would allow for future removal of the top noseb
      owl piece.  This is how the T-34 nosebowl is built if I'm not mistaken.  Of
       course this would require a field approval and 337 form as this probably g
      oes beyond what constitutes a minor modification.  I'm really surprised tha
      t someone has not obtained a multiple STC for this modification.

          Cliff Hanson  A&P/IA

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From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement      
      Hi Cliff,

      I think I would consider doing it as a minor alteration on my own airplane,  
      but I am not so sure I would want to send one out of the shop that way.

      There are some fights I don't mind fighting and others where I would  sooner 
      not compete!

      Gotta think on that one some more.

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8503  

      In a message dated 11/12/2007 3:58:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
      flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com writes:

      Hi Bob,

      What is your opinion then of  modifying the nose bowl to use nut-plates for 
      easy removal like the  factory?  Couldn't that be a minor modification?

      Cliff

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From: "flyv35b" <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
Date: Nov 12, 2007      
      That's pretty much the way I feel about it.  I just thought that if the fac
      tory did that very thing on essentially the same model plane and part (with
       the IO-520 engine), you could reason (and argue if need be) that it was a 
      minor mod.

      Thanks for your input.

      Cliff
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:40 PM
        Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement

        Hi Cliff,

        I think I would consider doing it as a minor alteration on my own airplan
      e, but I am not so sure I would want to send one out of the shop that way.

        There are some fights I don't mind fighting and others where I would soon
      er not compete!

        Gotta think on that one some more.

        Happy Skies,

        Old Bob
        AKA
        Bob Siegfried
        Ancient Aviator
        Stearman N3977A
        Brookeridge Air Park LL22
        Downers Grove, IL 60516
        630 985-8503 

        In a message dated 11/12/2007 3:58:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, flyv35b
      @minetfiber.com writes:
          Hi Bob,

          What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use nut-plates 
      for easy removal like the factory=3F  Couldn't that be a minor modification=3F

          Cliff

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From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Nov 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement      

      OK, OK When I called my buddy up he told me that he modeled his mod on the later
      model. Said it sure made it easier putting the engine in. 

      I thot this list was dead. Take a little trip to the middle east and a lot of things
      change. Where else are Bonanza discussions going on? 

      I just moved mine to Boerne Stage Airport NW of San Antonio.  Waiting on a hanger.

      Blue Skeis, 

      Steve D
      48 Straight 35

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>
      Date: Monday, November 12, 2007 18:31
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement

      > That's pretty much the way I feel about it.  I just thought that 
      > if the factory did that very thing on essentially the same model 
      > plane and part (with the IO-520 engine), you could reason (and 
      > argue if need be) that it was a minor mod.
      > 
      > Thanks for your input.
      > 
      > Cliff
      >  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >  From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com 
      >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
      >  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:40 PM
      >  Subject: Re: Beech-List: Bonanza Nose Bowl replacement
      > 
      > 
      >  Hi Cliff,
      > 
      >  I think I would consider doing it as a minor alteration on my 
      > own airplane, but I am not so sure I would want to send one out of 
      > the shop that way.
      > 
      >  There are some fights I don't mind fighting and others where I 
      > would sooner not compete!
      > 
      >  Gotta think on that one some more.
      > 
      >  Happy Skies,
      > 
      >  Old Bob
      >  AKA
      >  Bob Siegfried
      >  Ancient Aviator
      >  Stearman N3977A
      >  Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      >  Downers Grove, IL 60516
      >  630 985-8503 
      > 
      >  In a message dated 11/12/2007 3:58:17 P.M. Central Standard 
      > Time, flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com writes:
      >    Hi Bob,
      > 
      >    What is your opinion then of modifying the nose bowl to use 
      > nut-plates for easy removal like the factory?  Couldn't that be a 
      > minor modification?
      > 
      >    Cliff
      > 
      > 
      > 
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Subject: Re: List of Contributors      

      Hey Matt,
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...      

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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2007
From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net
Subject: some political commentary from me??      

      Greetings friends

      I wrote this not to indict any particular party or to propose that I am right,
      but 
      primarily in defense of the truth which I believe my facts represent. As always,
      I am open to being shown that I am wrong by more knowledgeable people then myself
      so bring it on!!

      NBC ran a story complaining that British Airways
      was flying 747's across the Ocean with no passengers (only cargo which by the
      way produces far more revenue then people, doesn't complain or cry or get too
      hot or too cold or want free tickets . .  . well you get the idea.)

      In it they stated and I heard it many times and verified it on their website to

      quiet the sceptics that these flights burned 20000 gallons of jet fuel and produced
      400 tons of carbon.  Being a pilot I had to do the math,

      400 x 2000 pounds per ton = 800000 pounds of carbon

      Jet fuel weighs 6.7 pounds per gallon for a total of 

      20,000 x 6.7 = 134000 pounds.

      800,000 pounds, by the way is the approximate max takeoff weight of a fully loaded
      747-400 (the latest variant) 

      I actually searched the network website and found a cute little "Where do we
      get our information?" link that sent me to what appeared to be a governmnet information
      website (which actually
      is more likely an environmentalist site in disguise) that did indeed state that

      1 gallon of jet fuel produces 22.?? some pounds of Carbon when burned.  Again 
      basic
      physics?? How do you destroy something that weighs 6.7 pounds and produce 22 pounds
      of matter??  As I said in my letter to the CBS new editors; this would likely solve
      all of the worlds energy problems for eternity and grant a Nobel prize for science
      to its discoverer.  I also mentioned that they might want to buy a calculator for
      the news room and check their facts that come from so called reliable sources.
      Oh
      and guess what .  . they never replied!

      Now unless I am missing some new math here this is the kind of insanity that harms
      the need for a clean environment.  The truth needs no embellishment but   
      "oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive."

      Ok just so you know I am not making this up.
      Here is the story including the "outraged" environmentalists that by the
      way suggest that you make a donation to Greenpeace or some such instead of flying.

      Oh and let me correct one thing. They did not say CO2 which is just as bad whether
      a gas or not, but they actually said repeatedly "Carbon" which as we all
      know is a solid element.

      If you go their website for NBC news you can find the source of their information.

      Me again

      Click on this or copy and paste to your address bar.

      http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=b5df82a0-ad54-4924-89cf-a579decd03b7

      David P. Walen, Sr.
      B.A.  Aviation Technology

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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
Date: Nov 19, 2007
Subject: paint blasting      
      Hi,
      I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the paint.  I have
       some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the airplane.  I am think
      ing about using a media blasting to finish the touch up.  I am thinking 
      about using a blaster from Eastwood.  Anyone have any experience or reco
      mmendations about doing this?  The correct media, baking soda, plastic b
      eads or walnuts shells?

      Sherman Butler

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Nov 19, 2007
Subject: Re: paint blasting      

      What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I would like to repaint
      my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is prohibitive. And the paint job
      is really not that bad. 

      can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th of the paint is
      good. but the leading edges , nose and some details are getting pretty rough.

      Steve D. 

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
      Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
      Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting

      > Hi,
      > I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the paint.  
      > I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the airplane. 
      > I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch 
      > up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.  Anyone 
      > have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The 
      > correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
      > 
      >  com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
      > 
      > 
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MikeTruffer" <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: paint blasting
Date: Nov 19, 2007      
      >>>>can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 

      Much depends on your standards for cosmetics, Steve.

      If you're not too picky, doing the job so the final result looks 
      *acceptable* isn't too hard. 

      But doing it so it looks right it takes equipment, skill and knowledge 
      that few of us have. 

      IMHO, it takes hands-on experience (practice) to acquire the requisite 
      skill and knowledge. Because I don't want to practice on the exterior of 
      my Bo, I'd leave such re-painting to a professional or a skilled 
      amateur.

      I'm not trying to discourage you from doing it yourself. Many of us 
      really like working on our aircraft. Instead, I'm urging you to first 
      try repainting something similar -- a boat or a Cessna or something else 
      unimportant.

      In my case, I repainted the insides of the cowls and inspection panels 
      of my B55. I'm glad I did it; although it wasn't a trivial task, it was 
      fun. 

      But I'm also glad that no one but myself and the occasional mechanic 
      will routinely see the results of my efforts. As I said, doing the job 
      correctly takes experience, etc.

      If Bob Newman of List offers any suggestions or tips on the subject, 
      listen to him.  He has been a tremendous help to me, and his advice 
      proved to be, as they say, spot on.

      --Mike Truffer

      P.S. You might start by visiting the website of the mfgr of whatever 
      paint is on your Bonanza. You'll probably find information on 
      maintaining, repairing and repainting a well-cured topcoat. It will give 
      you an idea of the scope of the contemplated job. Awgrip's site is 
      excellent.

      www.3m.com/aerospace/ may be informative, too.

      P.P.S. Alan Witkin of the List repainted the leading edges of his Bo. 
      You might track down his email address and contact him.

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:27 AM
        Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting

        What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I would 
      like to repaint my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is 
      prohibitive. And the paint job is really not that bad. 

        can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th of the 
      paint is good. but the leading edges , nose and some details are getting 
      pretty rough. 

        Steve D. 

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
        Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
        Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com

        > Hi,
        > I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the paint.  
        > I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the airplane. 
        > I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch 
        > up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.  Anyone 
        > have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The 
        > correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
        > 
        >  com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
        > 
        > 
        > 

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Nov 19, 2007
Subject: Re: paint blasting      

      Mike, Thanks for the hints. It is not so bad that my wife wants it repainted. I
      did repaint the interior widow posts, door and so on. all the exposed parts.
      Picked a pretty neutral (and forgiving) grey and used an airbrush. Looks great
      if I say so myself. 

      We have an old 1989 Chevy Suburban that may get painted first. I may get a chance
      to experiment on it. 

      This plane was originally polished aluminium with red trim. But as much as I put
      off washing the plane I can only imagine putting off polishing. 

      Blue Skies,
      Steve D

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: MikeTruffer <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
      Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 14:08
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting

      > >>>>can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 
      > 
      > Much depends on your standards for cosmetics, Steve.
      > 
      > If you're not too picky, doing the job so the final result looks 
      > *acceptable* isn't too hard. 
      > 
      > But doing it so it looks right it takes equipment, skill and 
      > knowledge that few of us have. 
      > 
      > IMHO, it takes hands-on experience (practice) to acquire the 
      > requisite skill and knowledge. Because I don't want to practice on 
      > the exterior of my Bo, I'd leave such re-painting to a 
      > professional or a skilled amateur.
      > 
      > I'm not trying to discourage you from doing it yourself. Many of 
      > us really like working on our aircraft. Instead, I'm urging you to 
      > first try repainting something similar -- a boat or a Cessna or 
      > something else unimportant.
      > 
      > In my case, I repainted the insides of the cowls and inspection 
      > panels of my B55. I'm glad I did it; although it wasn't a trivial 
      > task, it was fun. 
      > 
      > But I'm also glad that no one but myself and the occasional 
      > mechanic will routinely see the results of my efforts. As I said, 
      > doing the job correctly takes experience, etc.
      > 
      > If Bob Newman of List offers any suggestions or tips on the 
      > subject, listen to him.  He has been a tremendous help to me, and 
      > his advice proved to be, as they say, spot on.
      > 
      > --Mike Truffer
      > 
      > P.S. You might start by visiting the website of the mfgr of 
      > whatever paint is on your Bonanza. You'll probably find 
      > information on maintaining, repairing and repainting a well-cured 
      > topcoat. It will give you an idea of the scope of the contemplated 
      > job. Awgrip's site is excellent.
      > 
      > www.3m.com/aerospace/ may be informative, too.
      > 
      > P.P.S. Alan Witkin of the List repainted the leading edges of his 
      > Bo. You might track down his email address and contact him.
      > 
      > 
      >  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >  From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG 
      >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
      >  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:27 AM
      >  Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting
      > 
      > 
      > 
      >  What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I 
      > would like to repaint my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is 
      > prohibitive. And the paint job is really not that bad. 
      > 
      >  can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th 
      > of the paint is good. but the leading edges , nose and some 
      > details are getting pretty rough. 
      > 
      >  Steve D. 
      > 
      >  ----- Original Message -----
      >  From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
      >  Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
      >  Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting
      >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      > 
      >  > Hi,
      >  > I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the 
      > paint.  
      >  > I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the 
      > airplane. 
      >  > I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch 
      >  > up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.  
      > Anyone 
      >  > have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The 
      >  > correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
      >  > 
      >  >   > com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler o 
      >  > ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
      >  > 
      >  > 
      >  > 
      > 
      >        
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2007
From: "HOWARD BUNTE" <hnbunte(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: paint blasting      

      Hello,
      I would advise checking with a good paint shop, for a 'touching-up' job... 
      yes, would be in the several hundreds of dollars, perhaps, but far better 
      than the Several Thousands for a good paint job...
      Howard Bunte
       1952 C35 ... N 1912D out here in soCAL (KCCB)
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
      Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:27 AM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting

      > 
      >
      > What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I would like 
      > to repaint my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is prohibitive. And 
      > the paint job is really not that bad.
      >
      > can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th of the 
      > paint is good. but the leading edges , nose and some details are getting 
      > pretty rough.
      >
      > Steve D.
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
      > Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
      > Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting
      > To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >
      >> Hi,
      >> I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the paint.
      >> I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the airplane.
      >> I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch
      >> up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.  Anyone
      >> have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The
      >> correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
      >>
      >> > com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler> ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2007
From: "HOWARD BUNTE" <hnbunte(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: paint blasting//more...      

      Hey, Steven...
      get a buffer, lots of disposable 'heads' for it, and a good sheepskin 
      buffer... My C35 looks so good (even with its thinning paint downhill from 
      the air scoop for the airconditioner... )... when waxed with the buffer 
      slathering the liquid stuff on... then when it dries in a few minutes,... 
      with the plane pulled out into the taxiway, my buffer and I...go a 
      buffing... and boy does it shine!!!...
      save the shoulders and the arms.. they don't make THEM anymore...
      Howard Bunte
      ps. that aluminum and redline for accent... I've seen the original in 
      pictures and illustrations... knockout!!!
      ...................
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
      Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:25 PM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting

      > 
      >
      > Mike, Thanks for the hints. It is not so bad that my wife wants it 
      > repainted. I did repaint the interior widow posts, door and so on. all the 
      > exposed parts. Picked a pretty neutral (and forgiving) grey and used an 
      > airbrush. Looks great if I say so myself.
      >
      > We have an old 1989 Chevy Suburban that may get painted first. I may get a 
      > chance to experiment on it.
      >
      > This plane was originally polished aluminium with red trim. But as much as 
      > I put off washing the plane I can only imagine putting off polishing.
      >
      > Blue Skies,
      > Steve D
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: MikeTruffer <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
      > Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 14:08
      > Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting
      > To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >
      >> >>>>can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint.
      >>
      >> Much depends on your standards for cosmetics, Steve.
      >>
      >> If you're not too picky, doing the job so the final result looks
      >> *acceptable* isn't too hard.
      >>
      >> But doing it so it looks right it takes equipment, skill and
      >> knowledge that few of us have.
      >>
      >> IMHO, it takes hands-on experience (practice) to acquire the
      >> requisite skill and knowledge. Because I don't want to practice on
      >> the exterior of my Bo, I'd leave such re-painting to a
      >> professional or a skilled amateur.
      >>
      >> I'm not trying to discourage you from doing it yourself. Many of
      >> us really like working on our aircraft. Instead, I'm urging you to
      >> first try repainting something similar -- a boat or a Cessna or
      >> something else unimportant.
      >>
      >> In my case, I repainted the insides of the cowls and inspection
      >> panels of my B55. I'm glad I did it; although it wasn't a trivial
      >> task, it was fun.
      >>
      >> But I'm also glad that no one but myself and the occasional
      >> mechanic will routinely see the results of my efforts. As I said,
      >> doing the job correctly takes experience, etc.
      >>
      >> If Bob Newman of List offers any suggestions or tips on the
      >> subject, listen to him.  He has been a tremendous help to me, and
      >> his advice proved to be, as they say, spot on.
      >>
      >> --Mike Truffer
      >>
      >> P.S. You might start by visiting the website of the mfgr of
      >> whatever paint is on your Bonanza. You'll probably find
      >> information on maintaining, repairing and repainting a well-cured
      >> topcoat. It will give you an idea of the scope of the contemplated
      >> job. Awgrip's site is excellent.
      >>
      >> www.3m.com/aerospace/ may be informative, too.
      >>
      >> P.P.S. Alan Witkin of the List repainted the leading edges of his
      >> Bo. You might track down his email address and contact him.
      >>
      >>
      >>  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >>  From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG
      >>  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >>  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:27 AM
      >>  Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting
      >>
      >>
      >> 
      >>  What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I
      >> would like to repaint my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is
      >> prohibitive. And the paint job is really not that bad.
      >>
      >>  can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th
      >> of the paint is good. but the leading edges , nose and some
      >> details are getting pretty rough.
      >>
      >>  Steve D.
      >>
      >>  ----- Original Message -----
      >>  From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
      >>  Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
      >>  Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting
      >>  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >>
      >>  > Hi,
      >>  > I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the
      >> paint.
      >>  > I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the
      >> airplane.
      >>  > I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch
      >>  > up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.
      >> Anyone
      >>  > have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The
      >>  > correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
      >>  >
      >>  > >  > com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler> o
      >>  > ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
      >>  >
      >>  >
      >>  >
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
Date: Nov 19, 2007
Subject: Re: paint blasting Don't archive      

      Don't archive

      When I opened this  had to point out  "a boat or a Cessna or 
      > something else unimportant." To  the new guy at the next desk. He was showing
      off his big boat and we were discussing the cost of planes and boats. He seems
      to have different choices on what is "unimportant." 

      Steve D. 

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: MikeTruffer <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
      Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 14:08
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting

      > >>>>can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 
      > 
      > Much depends on your standards for cosmetics, Steve.
      > 
      > If you're not too picky, doing the job so the final result looks 
      > *acceptable* isn't too hard. 
      > 
      > But doing it so it looks right it takes equipment, skill and 
      > knowledge that few of us have. 
      > 
      > IMHO, it takes hands-on experience (practice) to acquire the 
      > requisite skill and knowledge. Because I don't want to practice on 
      > the exterior of my Bo, I'd leave such re-painting to a 
      > professional or a skilled amateur.
      > 
      > I'm not trying to discourage you from doing it yourself. Many of 
      > us really like working on our aircraft. Instead, I'm urging you to 
      > first try repainting something similar -- a boat or a Cessna or 
      > something else unimportant.
      > 
      > In my case, I repainted the insides of the cowls and inspection 
      > panels of my B55. I'm glad I did it; although it wasn't a trivial 
      > task, it was fun. 
      > 
      > But I'm also glad that no one but myself and the occasional 
      > mechanic will routinely see the results of my efforts. As I said, 
      > doing the job correctly takes experience, etc.
      > 
      > If Bob Newman of List offers any suggestions or tips on the 
      > subject, listen to him.  He has been a tremendous help to me, and 
      > his advice proved to be, as they say, spot on.
      > 
      > --Mike Truffer
      > 
      > P.S. You might start by visiting the website of the mfgr of 
      > whatever paint is on your Bonanza. You'll probably find 
      > information on maintaining, repairing and repainting a well-cured 
      > topcoat. It will give you an idea of the scope of the contemplated 
      > job. Awgrip's site is excellent.
      > 
      > www.3m.com/aerospace/ may be informative, too.
      > 
      > P.P.S. Alan Witkin of the List repainted the leading edges of his 
      > Bo. You might track down his email address and contact him.
      > 
      > 
      >  ----- Original Message ----- 
      >  From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG 
      >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
      >  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:27 AM
      >  Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting
      > 
      > 
      > 
      >  What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I 
      > would like to repaint my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is 
      > prohibitive. And the paint job is really not that bad. 
      > 
      >  can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th 
      > of the paint is good. but the leading edges , nose and some 
      > details are getting pretty rough. 
      > 
      >  Steve D. 
      > 
      >  ----- Original Message -----
      >  From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
      >  Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
      >  Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting
      >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      > 
      >  > Hi,
      >  > I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the 
      > paint.  
      >  > I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the 
      > airplane. 
      >  > I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch 
      >  > up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.  
      > Anyone 
      >  > have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The 
      >  > correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
      >  > 
      >  >   > com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler o 
      >  > ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
      >  > 
      >  > 
      >  > 
      > 
      >        
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser...      

      Dear Listers, 

      Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
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      I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
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From: "MikeTruffer" <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: paint blasting Don't archive
Date: Nov 19, 2007      
      >>> He seems to have different choices on what is "unimportant." 

      It's funny how that works! -- Mike Truffer

      P.S. My original post was somewhat tongue in cheek at that point. But 
      actually, painting an aluminum rowboat or such would be a good project 
      to practice surface prep and topcoating. A few sags or dead bugs in an 
      old boat's finish wouldn't be the end of the world, but on your old 
      Bo...

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:53 PM
        Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting Don't archive

        Don't archive

        When I opened this  had to point out  "a boat or a Cessna or 
        > something else unimportant." To  the new guy at the next desk. He 
      was showing off his big boat and we were discussing the cost of planes 
      and boats. He seems to have different choices on what is "unimportant." 

        Steve D. 

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: MikeTruffer <lindbergh(at)cfl.rr.com>
        Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 14:08
        Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com

        > >>>>can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 
        > 
        > Much depends on your standards for cosmetics, Steve.
        > 
        > If you're not too picky, doing the job so the final result looks 
        > *acceptable* isn't too hard. 
        > 
        > But doing it so it looks right it takes equipment, skill and 
        > knowledge that few of us have. 
        > 
        > IMHO, it takes hands-on experience (practice) to acquire the 
        > requisite skill and knowledge. Because I don't want to practice on 
        > the exterior of my Bo, I'd leave such re-painting to a 
        > professional or a skilled amateur.
        > 
        > I'm not trying to discourage you from doing it yourself. Many of 
        > us really like working on our aircraft. Instead, I'm urging you to 
        > first try repainting something similar -- a boat or a Cessna or 
        > something else unimportant.
        > 
        > In my case, I repainted the insides of the cowls and inspection 
        > panels of my B55. I'm glad I did it; although it wasn't a trivial 
        > task, it was fun. 
        > 
        > But I'm also glad that no one but myself and the occasional 
        > mechanic will routinely see the results of my efforts. As I said, 
        > doing the job correctly takes experience, etc.
        > 
        > If Bob Newman of List offers any suggestions or tips on the 
        > subject, listen to him.  He has been a tremendous help to me, and 
        > his advice proved to be, as they say, spot on.
        > 
        > --Mike Truffer
        > 
        > P.S. You might start by visiting the website of the mfgr of 
        > whatever paint is on your Bonanza. You'll probably find 
        > information on maintaining, repairing and repainting a well-cured 
        > topcoat. It will give you an idea of the scope of the contemplated 
        > job. Awgrip's site is excellent.
        > 
        > www.3m.com/aerospace/ may be informative, too.
        > 
        > P.P.S. Alan Witkin of the List repainted the leading edges of his 
        > Bo. You might track down his email address and contact him.
        > 
        > 
        >  ----- Original Message ----- 
        >  From: Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG 
        >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        >  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:27 AM
        >  Subject: Re: Beech-List: paint blasting
        > 
        > 
        > 
        >  What chemical process did you use and how difficult was It? I 
        > would like to repaint my straight 35 but the cost for my budget is 
        > prohibitive. And the paint job is really not that bad. 
        > 
        >  can anyone tell me how hard it is to "touch up" my paint. 7/8th 
        > of the paint is good. but the leading edges , nose and some 
        > details are getting pretty rough. 
        > 
        >  Steve D. 
        > 
        >  ----- Original Message -----
        >  From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
        >  Date: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:02
        >  Subject: Beech-List: paint blasting
        >  To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
        > 
        >  > Hi,
        >  > I have a G-35 that I have chemically stripped most of the 
        > paint.  
        >  > I have some residue left, primarily on the bottom of the 
        > airplane. 
        >  > I am thinking about using a media blasting to finish the touch 
        >  > up.  I am thinking about using a blaster from Eastwood.  
        > Anyone 
        >  > have any experience or recommendations about doing this?  The 
        >  > correct media, baking soda, plastic beads or walnuts shells?
        >  > 
        >  >   > com:office:smarttags" />Sherman Butler o 
        >  > ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
        >  > 
        >  > 
        >  > 
        > 
        >        
        > 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?      

      Dear Listers,

      Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving.  Many
      of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
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      Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
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      Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
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      The List Contribution Site is:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

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From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
Date: Nov 22, 2007
Subject: Re: paint blasting and stripping      

      For stripping I used 

      PR-3133 Alkaline-activated Benzyl Alcohol Stripper (smells of ammonia)
      http://www.eldoradochem.com/
      And

      D-Zolve 15-33LO-R (mild smell)
      http://solventkleene.com/strip.htm

      I received a sample from.

      http://www.m-tc.com/paint_stripper/aircraft_paint_stripper.htm

      And Henkle Industries (Locktite) but they were not interested in dealing
       with an individual consumer.  Each of the chemicals worked similarly wi
      th little difference between then, all were effective.  The Benzyl Alcoh
      ol based stripper is less hazardous the methyl-chloride strippers, but i
      f left on bare skin could cause chemical burns.  Eldora do Chemical has 
      a good de-paint article.  Do not use auto parts aircraft stripper.  Hydr
      ogen embrittlement - that is the top and bottom of the spar you see in t
      he wing.  I looked for strippers with a Boeing, Douglas, etc. approval.

      My first test was on the wing tips, I have the original round metal tips
      .   We did this on a warm rainy day in the summer.  The old paint turned
       to jelly, and was easily scraped off.  A few days later when it was qui
      te dry we applied to other areas.  This was a mess it dried out and was 
      then harder to remove.

      The most successful method was to apply the stripper and then spray with
       water from a hand kitchen type spray pump and cover with industrial pol
      yethylene cling wrap from Lowes.  When it appears soft, use a brush with
       a stiff plastic scrub brush, as would be used in a commode.  Then reapp
      ly more strippers.  Scrub again then remove with a squeegee, and scrub w
      ith a maroon scotch brite pad, and then wash.  I finally bought a 2000 p
      si portable spray washer to remove the remaining residue, much improved.

      What paint that is left is primarily on the bottom surfaces.  I used a W
      agner electric spray painter, but the stripper ruined the painter.  I us
      ed a total of 10 gallons.  I could now do it with less stripper by using
       plastic wrap and water, and stripping small areas at a time.

      Painting: so far I have painted the ruddrvators and ailerons with Sherwi
      n Williams Jet Glo.  I recommend finding someone willing to balance the 
      control surfaces before starting.  I finally got John of Idaho State A&P
       School to commit to balancing the surfaces once the shop A&P removed th
      e surfaces.  The parts book numbers and illustrations did not match the 
      weights that I found in the ruddervator, and Beech parts in Wichita were NOT helpful.  Luckily, I did not change the weight, even t
      hough I had to paint the ruddervator twice to get the results I wanted. 
       All painting mistakes can be fixed, although it may require sanding the
       offending mistakes.  

      Preparation for paint is the biggest part of painting.  The actual paint
       time is small in relation to the paint application.  I have not decided
       if I will do the painting my self or get a body shop guy by the hour.  
      I have difficulty with vertical surfaces with runs and sages.

      I have some mag-prep left over.

      I did marry my girlfriend that helped me strip the plane. She is a V-tai
      led stripper!!!

      Currently, I am polishing the top of the plane until I finish stripping 
      the remaining residue on the bottom.  I may attempt to sell it before pa
      inting and finish building the RV.

      Anyone have knowledge of paint removal by blasting?

      Thanks Sherman

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Comments      

      Dear Listers,

      Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
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      Please make a Contribution:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

      ------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------

      The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.

      						George R

      Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
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      						Neal G

      What a fantastic resource!

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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2007
From: "HOWARD BUNTE" <hnbunte(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: need instrument repair shop      

      Hey there...
      I have used the following for past 16 years... father and son...do good 
      work...
      http://www.skywestinstruments.com/
      thing is, it's here in soCal... KCCB, Upland, CA 91786...
      but good people... fair prices... work is 'fixed' the first time...
      Howard N. Bunte
      1952 C35  N 1912D...
      before the above, for 11 years, 1961 Cessna 182-D model/Razorback

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
      Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:45 AM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop

      > 
      >
      > Randy How are your two planes?
      >
      > I had a good experience with Rudy's Instruments in Arkansas. Airspeed 
      > indicator that a grandson shot some air to. It was frozen at 180. Just a 
      > tad fast for a 1959 Cessna 150. Price was right and it worked when it came 
      > back from the shop. Pretty quick too.
      >
      > Blue skies
      > Steve D.
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
      > Date: Sunday, November 25, 2007 0:39
      > Subject: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop
      > To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
       >> Hello All,
      >>
      >> Could anyone refer me to a instrument repair shop with which they
       >> have had  good experience.
      >>
      >> Thanks & Regards,
      >>
      >> Randy, Las Vegas

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: need instrument repair shop
Date: Nov 25, 2007      

      Thanks for responding Howard:

      I was hoping for a lead not too far from LV.  I'll give them a try.

      Thanks & Regards,

      Randy Thwing, Las Vegas NV

      1948 35 Bonz  D-1373

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "HOWARD BUNTE" <hnbunte(at)verizon.net>
      Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:11 PM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop

      >
      > Hey there...
      > I have used the following for past 16 years... father and son...do good 
      > work...
      > http://www.skywestinstruments.com/
      > thing is, it's here in soCal... KCCB, Upland, CA 91786...
      > but good people... fair prices... work is 'fixed' the first time...
      > Howard N. Bunte
      > 1952 C35  N 1912D...
      > before the above, for 11 years, 1961 Cessna 182-D model/Razorback
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
      > To: 
      > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:45 AM
      > Subject: Re: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop
      >
      >
      >> 
      >>
      >> Randy How are your two planes?
      >>
      >> I had a good experience with Rudy's Instruments in Arkansas. Airspeed 
      >> indicator that a grandson shot some air to. It was frozen at 180. Just a 
      >> tad fast for a 1959 Cessna 150. Price was right and it worked when it 
      >> came back from the shop. Pretty quick too.
      >>
      >> Blue skies
      >> Steve D.
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
      >> Date: Sunday, November 25, 2007 0:39
      >> Subject: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop
      >> To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      > >> Hello All,
      >>>
      >>> Could anyone refer me to a instrument repair shop with which they
      > >> have had  good experience.
      >>>
      >>> Thanks & Regards,
      >>>
      >>> Randy, Las Vegas

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2007
From: "HOWARD BUNTE" <hnbunte(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: need instrument repair shop      

      Glad I could help... if down this way, stop in at Cable cafe, called "Maniac 
      Mike's cafe"... for coffee .
      Like to see your bird...
      Howard Bunte,
      Upland, CA
      1952 C35 Bonanza D-3162

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
      Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:34 PM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop

      > 
      >
      > Thanks for responding Howard:
      >
      > I was hoping for a lead not too far from LV.  I'll give them a try.
      >
      > Thanks & Regards,
      >
      > Randy Thwing, Las Vegas NV
      >
      > 1948 35 Bonz  D-1373
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "HOWARD BUNTE" <hnbunte(at)verizon.net>
      > To: 
      > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:11 PM
      > Subject: Re: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop
      >
      >
      >>
      >> Hey there...
      >> I have used the following for past 16 years... father and son...do good 
      >> work...
      >> http://www.skywestinstruments.com/
      >> thing is, it's here in soCal... KCCB, Upland, CA 91786...
      >> but good people... fair prices... work is 'fixed' the first time...
      >> Howard N. Bunte
      >> 1952 C35  N 1912D...
      >> before the above, for 11 years, 1961 Cessna 182-D model/Razorback
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message ----- 
      >> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG" <steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil>
      >> To: 
      >> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:45 AM
      >> Subject: Re: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop
      >>
      >>
      >>> 
      >>>
      >>> Randy How are your two planes?
      >>>
      >>> I had a good experience with Rudy's Instruments in Arkansas. Airspeed 
      >>> indicator that a grandson shot some air to. It was frozen at 180. Just a 
      >>> tad fast for a 1959 Cessna 150. Price was right and it worked when it 
      >>> came back from the shop. Pretty quick too.
      >>>
      >>> Blue skies
      >>> Steve D.
      >>>
      >>> ----- Original Message -----
      >>> From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
      >>> Date: Sunday, November 25, 2007 0:39
      >>> Subject: Beech-List: need instrument repair shop
      >>> To: beech-list(at)matronics.com
      >> >> Hello All,
      >>>>
      >>>> Could anyone refer me to a instrument repair shop with which they
      >> >> have had  good experience.
      >>>>
      >>>> Thanks & Regards,
      >>>>
      >>>> Randy, Las Vegas
      >
      >
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed!  List of Contributors Published Dec      1!

      Dear Listers, 

      The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner!  On December 1st I post
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      As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
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      Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?  Tell others
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      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
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      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator

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Date: Nov 27, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle?      

      Dear Listers, 

      Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists?  Well, I've been working in
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      I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
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      As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
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      But building and running this system isn't cheap.  As I've stated before, I don't
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      To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
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      Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists! 

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Date: Nov 28, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Wow! A Ton of Comments!      

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Date: Nov 29, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left...      

      Dear Listers,

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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!      

      Dear Listers,

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Date: Dec 06, 2007
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors      

      Dear Listers, 

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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Where is the traffic?
Date: Jan 26, 2008
From: "Cannon, Walt" <walt.cannon(at)boeing.com>      

       A few years ago there was a significant amount of traffic on this list
      relative to old Beechcrafts. Can someone tell me where all that
      discussion has migrated to?

      Thanks

________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 26, 2008
Subject: Re: Where is the traffic?      
      Good Afternoon Walt,

      A lot of folks who were using this list have migrated to the Beech-Owners  
      List. Ya suppose that's where they went?

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      628 West  86th Street
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8502 
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22

      In a message dated 1/26/2008 2:19:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
      walt.cannon(at)boeing.com writes:

      -->  Beech-List message posted by: "Cannon, Walt"  

      A few years ago there was a significant  amount of traffic on this list
      relative to old Beechcrafts. Can someone  tell me where all that
      discussion has migrated  to?

      Thanks

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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Peterson" <copeters(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Where is the traffic?
Date: Jan 28, 2008      
      Bob, I am here. Give me some info.   Chuck Peterson

         _____  

      From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B(at)aol.com
      Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:32 PM
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: Where is the traffic?

      Good Afternoon Walt,

      A lot of folks who were using this list have migrated to the Beech-Owners
      List. Ya suppose that's where they went?

      Happy Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      628 West 86th Street
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8502 
      Stearman N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22

      In a message dated 1/26/2008 2:19:57 P.M. Central Standard Time,
      walt.cannon(at)boeing.com writes:

      A few years ago there was a significant amount of traffic on this list
      relative to old Beechcrafts. Can someone tell me where all that
      discussion has migrated to?

      Thanks

         _____  

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      11:24 AM 

      10:59 AM

________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 28, 2008
Subject: Re: Where is the traffic?      
      Good Afternoon Chuck,

      Nothing wrong with the Matronics list, but there is a lot more activity on  
      the Beech-Owners list.  It can be subscribed to at:

      _http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/beech-owners_ 
      (http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/beech-owners) 

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      628 West  86th Street
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8502 
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22

      In a message dated 1/28/2008 3:41:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
      copeters(at)mindspring.com writes:

      Bob, I am here. Give  me some info.   Chuck Peterson 

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From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Ruddervators Removal
Date: Mar 20, 2008      

      Anyone out there have problems removing the outboard hinge bolt. We  
      found that we were forced to remove the hinge bracket in order to  
      remove the ruddervator. The bolt would go through a lightening hole  
      in the horn rib then hit a stiffener behind the rib before  
      disengaging from the hinge bearing/bushing.
      	I am also thinking about reassembly as I would hate to remove the  
      hinge bracket from a newly rebuilt/reskinned ruddervator to reinstall.

      thanks for any insight
      Bob 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup!      

      Dear Listers, 

      I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today.  These
      include the Rans-List and RV12-List.  Please surf over to the Matronics List
      Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
      to you:

      	http://www.matronics.com/subscribe

      Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.

      Rans-List:

      	http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List

      RV12-List

      	http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 26, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Four New Email Lists At Matronics!!       

      Dear Listers,

      I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today.  These include the
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      	Citabria-List		Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ

      	Zenith601-List		Zenair Zodiac CH 601

      	Zenith640-List		Zenair Zodiac CH 640

      	Zenith701801-List	Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801

      All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives,
      Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:

      	Citabria:
      		http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list

      	Zenith601:
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      	Zenith640:
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      Enjoy the new Lists!!  Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser!  :-)

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Ruddervator Travel Boards
Date: May 03, 2008      

      Any one have a drawing to make travel boards??
      thanks Bob

________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: May 03, 2008
Subject: Re: Ruddervator Travel Boards      
      Good Evening Bob,

      Have you checked with Tom Turner at the American Bonanza Society?

      Happy  Skies,

      Old Bob
      AKA
      Bob Siegfried
      Ancient Aviator
      628 West  86th Street
      Downers Grove, IL 60516
      630 985-8502 
      Stearman  N3977A
      Brookeridge Air Park LL22

      In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:01:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
      citabriapilot(at)comcast.net writes:

      -->  Beech-List message posted by: Bob Vandegrift  

      Any one have a drawing to make travel  boards??
      thanks  Bob

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________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/03/08
Date: May 04, 2008      

      Unless ABS has changed their thinking they are more interested in  
      renting me a set then providing plans. With an available set of plans  
      they would cost nearly nothing to make.  More owners and shops would  
      have the right tools and better rigged aircraft.
      I may just try them again.
      Bob
      On May 4, 2008, at 2:55 AM, Beech-List Digest Server wrote:

      > *
      >
      >  =================================================
      >    Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
      >  =================================================
      >
      > Today's complete Beech-List Digest can also be found in either of the
      > two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest  
      > formatted
      > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked  
      > Indexes
      > and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII  
      > version
      > of the Beech-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
      > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
      >
      > HTML Version:
      >
      >     http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? 
      > Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-05-03&Archive=Beech
      >
      > Text Version:
      >
      >     http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php? 
      > Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-05-03&Archive=Beech
      >
      >
      >  ===============================================
      >    EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
      >  ===============================================
      >
      >
      >            ----------------------------------------------------------
      >                            Beech-List Digest Archive
      >                                       ---
      >                      Total Messages Posted Sat 05/03/08: 2
      >            ----------------------------------------------------------
      >
      >
      > Today's Message Index:
      > ----------------------
      >
      >      1. 08:01 PM - Ruddervator Travel Boards  (Bob Vandegrift)
      >      2. 08:08 PM - Re: Ruddervator Travel Boards  (BobsV35B(at)aol.com)
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 1   
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > From: Bob Vandegrift <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
      > Subject: Beech-List: Ruddervator Travel Boards
      >
      >
      > Any one have a drawing to make travel boards??
      > thanks Bob
      >
      >
      > ________________________________  Message 2   
      > _____________________________________
      >
      >
      > From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
      > Subject: Re: Beech-List: Ruddervator Travel Boards
      >
      > Good Evening Bob,
      >
      > Have you checked with Tom Turner at the American Bonanza Society?
      >
      > Happy  Skies,
      >
      > Old Bob
      > AKA
      > Bob Siegfried
      > Ancient Aviator
      > 628 West  86th Street
      > Downers Grove, IL 60516
      > 630 985-8502
      > Stearman  N3977A
      > Brookeridge Air Park LL22
      >
      >
      > In a message dated 5/3/2008 10:01:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
      > citabriapilot(at)comcast.net writes:
      >
      > -->  Beech-List message posted by: Bob Vandegrift   
      > 
      >
      > Any one have a drawing to make travel  boards??
      > thanks  Bob
      >
      >
      > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists  
      > on family
      > favorites at AOL Food.
      > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)
      >
      >

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From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/03/08
Date: May 04, 2008      

      I would like a set too.  Am going to reinstall ruddervators soon and will 
      have to rig.  I haven't studied the manuals yet to see if a drawing could be 
      generated from the book.  I have basic CAD skills and if the specs were 
      available, I would generate a CAD drawing that could then be glued to 
      plywood or something and cut out.  And would be happy to share.

      Randy, Las Vegas Straight 35

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Bob Vandegrift" <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
      Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:13 AM
      Subject: Beech-List: Re: Beech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 05/03/08

      > 
      >
      > Unless ABS has changed their thinking they are more interested in  renting 
      > me a set then providing plans. With an available set of plans  they would 
      > cost nearly nothing to make.  More owners and shops would  have the right 
      > tools and better rigged aircraft.
      > I may just try them again.
      > Bob

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 04, 2008
From: Jim Aitken <matrix02(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Ruddervator Travel Boards      

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Bob Vandegrift" <citabriapilot(at)comcast.net>
      Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 9:58 PM
      Subject: Beech-List: Ruddervator Travel Boards

      > 
      >
      > Any one have a drawing to make travel boards??
      > thanks Bob
      >
      The thought also occured to me. I made a cardboard template of the rigging 
      board for a V35. It is still in my hangar. I will dig it out and and make a 
      drawing when I get a chance.

      Jim
      < matrix02(at)shaw.ca>
      >
      >

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hammock Mod, MX20
From: george.mueller(at)aurora.org
Date: May 08, 2008      
      Are there any downsides to the Hammock engine mods, putting a 260hp in an 
      older Bonanza (E35)?  I understand they beef up the airframe as part of 
      the mod, but I am wondering if anyone has experienced any downsides to 
      this.

      Also, I am not real familiar with the Garmin MX 20, but I am wondering if 
      the fact that this unit has been discontinued by Garmin affect its value 
      and utility?  Can you still get updates etc?  Is it still supported by 
      Garmin?

      George in Milwaukee

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dave schultz" <dhschultz39(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Hammock Mod, MX20
Date: May 08, 2008      
      don't know if you're open to alternative suggestions or not george, but 
      if you are (especially if starting with an E-225-8), i have direct 
      experience + 150 hrs in a c35 bonanza with the aviation research mod 
      (STC) to put o-470 cylinders on an e-225 case (they have a web-site, and 
      firm is located in Sandy, Or.) 
       works very well (163 kts, 1500 fpm, 11 gph) with no airframe mods 
      required except those related to baffling.  the only downside i've 
      experienced is cylinders run a max of 300 deg F, not as warm as i would 
      like.

      if you want more info..., e-mail/call is fine.

      wrt garmin-mx-20, no info.  but directly related - have a 15 yr old 
      Garmin IFR GPS155 (not the newer 155XL), purchased when Garmin came out 
      w/ their first IFR unit.  Garmin does not support maintenance or 
      repairs, but my local radio shop (Tacoma, WA) took care of it no 
      problem, new battery, minor parts, alignment, and it works great.

      dave schultz
      bremerton, wa
      360 692-3445
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: george.mueller(at)aurora.org 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:29 AM
        Subject: Beech-List: Hammock Mod, MX20

        Are there any downsides to the Hammock engine mods, putting a 260hp in 
      an older Bonanza (E35)?  I understand they beef up the airframe as part 
      of the mod, but I am wondering if anyone has experienced any downsides 
      to this. 

        Also, I am not real familiar with the Garmin MX 20, but I am wondering 
      if the fact that this unit has been discontinued by Garmin affect its 
      value and utility?  Can you still get updates etc?  Is it still 
      supported by Garmin? 

        George in Milwaukee 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Robin Hou <rmhou(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Hammock Mod, MX20      
      >Are there any downsides to the Hammock engine mods, putting a 260hp in
       >an older Bonanza (E35)?  

        Possible W&B issues.  A friend has IO-520 w/ 3-blade prop (about same weight
      as IO-470N) in his G with tip tanks.  His CG is almost always in front of forward
      limit.  The tip tanks (Osborn) contributed to this issue because these tanks
      cause narrower CG envelope.  But we tried diffent loads assuming tips are removed,
      and it is still very limited.

        E225 is much lighter.  I have no experience but have hear good things about N
      cylinders on E engines.

        Robin Hou
        64 S35
        54 E35 (sold after 11 years & remorse)

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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 09, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: For Sale - Skyforce Skymap IIIC - NEW - Latest Database      

      Dear Listers,

      I am selling a new-in-box Skyforce Skymap IIIC full color GPS moving map with Topo.
      The database and firmware were just upgraded 05/2008.  Includes a Panel
      Mounting bracket, GPS Antenna, cigarette lighter adapter, carrying case, and all
      manuals.  Brand new, never used.  No scratches.  The pictures below are of
      the actual unit.  The LCD color display on the IIIC is extremely nice and very
      bright.  Gives altitude readout.  RS232 output.  

      I have over $2500 invested in this complete system.  I will sell it for $2200 plus
      shipping to anywhere in the world.  I can accept Visa/MC.  First come, first
      served.

      Please email me off list at dralle(at)matronics.com if you are interested.

      Matt Dralle
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Date: May 10, 2008
From: "Lee Buechler" <rleebue(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hammock Mod, MX20      
       Hi George -- Before you shove a IO-470N into an E Bonanza, check with Jerry
      Forston at Aviation Research Systems, Inc of Sandy, Oregon, for his STC
      which mates 470N cylinders to the E-225 case.  I did this for my C model,
      and am extremely happy with the outcome.  Jerry can be reached at (503)
      668-4542 or (888) 301-9207 for toll free.  Roughy, here are the benefits to
      go this route:

      1. Much less expensive {than standard IO-470N}
      2. Minimal airframe changes needed {than standard IO-470N}
      3. No CG issues {than standard IO-470N}
      4. Better jug cooling {than E-225}
      5. Significantly better performance {than E-225}
      6. Longer jug life {than E-225}
      7. Less oil consumption {thasn E-225}

      Downside -- you can no longer use autogas.

       Good luck -- Lee Buechler/N241EE

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From: <steve(at)aerobuysell.com>
Subject: one piece w/s available
Date: Jul 09, 2008      
      Listers,
      Does anyone know of anyone who needs a nice tinted one piece C baileys 
      windshield for a C-35. We replaced it new and only flew it for about 25 
      hrs, rest of the time the airplane has been sitting in the hangar until 
      we removed it for a speed slope mod.  As removed from D-3101.

      Located in NE Washington. Call Steve @ 509-935-4692 

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
Date: Sep 14, 2008      

      I have an IO-520BB in my Beech Bonanza that runs rough at idle and low RPM.  I
      have changed the spark plugs, cleaned the injectors, checked the mag timing (just
      installed after 500 hour inspection and new distributor block), and had a
      mechanic check the idle fuel pump pressure and idle mixture setting.  

      I also did a compression check and all cylinders are above 60/80. There doesn't
      seem to be any difference in drop with each mag at various RPM's.  I have not
      changed the ignition wires.

      Any ideas on other things to look for?

      Thanks!

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4248#204248

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ian Dewhirst" <idewhirst(at)indtechnology.com>
Subject: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
Date: Sep 15, 2008      

      I would look for an intake leak.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of martymitchell
      Sent: September 14, 2008 1:16 PM
      Subject: Beech-List: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough

      --> 

      I have an IO-520BB in my Beech Bonanza that runs rough at idle and low RPM.
      I have changed the spark plugs, cleaned the injectors, checked the mag
      timing (just installed after 500 hour inspection and new distributor block),
      and had a mechanic check the idle fuel pump pressure and idle mixture
      setting.  

      I also did a compression check and all cylinders are above 60/80. There
      doesn't seem to be any difference in drop with each mag at various RPM's.  I
      have not changed the ignition wires.

      Any ideas on other things to look for?

      Thanks!

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4248#204248

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2008      

      I have verified that all the hose clamps are tight and that all the intake bolts
      are secure, but not sure where else to look and how to determine if it's leaking.

      Thanks.

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4377#204377

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck" <Heavy707(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
Date: Sep 15, 2008      
      What is the largest difference between cylinder compression? You say all 
      are at least 60/80 but how far apart are they and are they very 
      different from the last time they were taken? When is the last time the 
      prop governor was checked?
      Did it start being rough just after coming out of the shop for repairs? 
      Could it be cam related? Bad lobe on cam?
      Best of luck.

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2008      

      Both mags were inspected, a new distributor block was installed on one due to a
      corroded terminal, and returned to the plane.  I only did a brief compression
      check to see if anything really bad happened to a cylinder, but will have to
      go back and do it more carefully to get the exact numbers and will compare with
      existing numbers.

      Seems like the trouble began after the mags were pulled out and returned.  

      I suppose it could be a bad cam lobe.  The engine is 1500 hours TSO.

      The prop governor has not been checked for 1500 hours as far as I know.

      I'm planning to check the ignition wires today.

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4385#204385

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
Date: Sep 15, 2008      

      Problem Found! I did a second compression check and took my time. Although all
      of the compressions are in the low to mid 60's, it appears that each cylinder
      has a valve leak, one exhaust and 5 intakes. I suppse that is why it idles so
      rough. 

      Thank you all for your help and suggestions. I should have started off with a careful
      compression check.

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4520#204520

________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough      
      Good Morning Marty,

      I am getting in on this thread very late, but didn't I see that your  
      roughness came on suddenly following a repair to an ignition component?

      I would not feel that your cylinder compressions would have caused a sudden  
      change in operation.

      Have you looked at the cylinders with a borescope?

      Continental now tells us that the older compression check done alone is not  
      valid. You really need to take a good look at the valve face.  That will  tell

      you if the valve is leaking under operating conditions. Many valves that  
      show leakage via a static compression check will seal just fine under normal  
      operations. I would look further for your problem.  

      I think there may be a newer version of the Continental Motors Service  
      Bulletin concerning cylinder testing, but the one I have before me right now is

      dated 2003. It is SB03-3. Be sure you have that one or a newer version before 

      you start tearing things apart!

      Happy Skies,

      Old Bob

      In a message dated 9/16/2008 12:52:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
      orders(at)martymitchell.com writes:

      -->  Beech-List message posted by: "martymitchell"  

      Problem Found! I did a second  compression check and took my time. Although 
      all of the compressions are in  the low to mid 60's, it appears that each 
      cylinder has a valve leak, one  exhaust and 5 intakes. I suppse that is why it

      idles so rough. 

      Thank  you all for your help and suggestions. I should have started off with 
      a  careful compression check.

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza  N44GN

      **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, 
      plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.      
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________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2008      

      Thanks Old Bob.  Good advice.  I am aware of Service Bulletin SB03-3 and have read
      it.  Turns out that I mistakenly reported my problem as being 5 intake leaks,
      when in fact, air was leaking thru the crankcase breather, so they are actually
      ring leaks.

      So I have 1 exhaust valve leak and 5 that are leaking past the rings.

      I'm not sure that explains idle roughness.  I'm just about ready to pull the mags
      and have them re-checked for proper internal timing but the mag shop says it
      not my problem.  

      Still very confused....

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4577#204577

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Henderson" <thender(at)adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
Date: Sep 15, 2008      

      This sounds dumb..   but have you verified that all the plug wires are going 
      to the right places, and that they aren't damaged, etc?

      -TH
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
      Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:02 AM
      Subject: Beech-List: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough

      > 
      >
      > Both mags were inspected, a new distributor block was installed on one due 
      > to a corroded terminal, and returned to the plane.  I only did a brief 
      > compression check to see if anything really bad happened to a cylinder, 
      > but will have to go back and do it more carefully to get the exact numbers 
      > and will compare with existing numbers.
      >
      > Seems like the trouble began after the mags were pulled out and returned.
      >
      > I suppose it could be a bad cam lobe.  The engine is 1500 hours TSO.
      >
      > The prop governor has not been checked for 1500 hours as far as I know.
      >
      > I'm planning to check the ignition wires today.
      >
      > --------
      > Marty Mitchell
      > Bonanza N44GN
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4385#204385
      >
      >
      > 

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "martymitchell" <orders(at)martymitchell.com>
Date: Sep 16, 2008      

      I did test all the ignition wire with one of those ignition wire testers.  I believe
      it only checks for shorts to ground but does not check for opens.  I'm sure
      all the wires are in the right place or it would run REAL bad.

      There are a couple damaged spots but just to the outer vinyl, no further.

      Any other ideas?

      Marty

      --------
      Marty Mitchell
      Bonanza N44GN

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4723#204723

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 17, 2008
From: Hal Kempthorne <hal_kempthorne(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough      
      An intake air leak will be a factor at low speeds and less so at higher spe
      eds.- =0A-=0Ahal=0A(Finally rid of the Debonair - but I loved her for a
      ll her faults)=0ANow flying an RV6-a (Lycoming)=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original M
      essage ----=0AFrom: martymitchell <orders(at)martymitchell.com>=0ATo: beech-li
      st(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:14:44 PM=0ASubject: 
      Beech-List: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough=0A=0A--> Beech-List messa
      ge posted by: "martymitchell" =0A=0AI did test al
      l the ignition wire with one of those ignition wire testers.- I believe i
      t only checks for shorts to ground but does not check for opens.- I'm sur
      e all the wires are in the right place or it would run REAL bad.=0A=0AThere
       are a couple damaged spots but just to the outer vinyl, no further.=0A=0AA
      ny other ideas?=0A=0AMarty=0A=0A--------=0AMarty Mitchell=0ABonanza N44GN
      =0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
      =========================0A
      ====================

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andre Scholtz" <andre.scholtz(at)atsi.ie>
Subject: StormScope installation
Date: Oct 15, 2008      
      Can anyone let me know if there is a STC posted for a stormscope
      installation in a Baron B55. Its an Irish registration and therefore under
      EASA. Any information on this would be appreciated.Andre

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag
From: "BrightLine" <info(at)brightlinebags.com>
Date: Oct 27, 2008      

      Hello Everyone,

      My name is Bryan Smith and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags.  I do not want to offend anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the demo video http://brightlinebags.ipower.com/videopage.html, you will be impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. If you have any questions, you can contact me directly at bryan@brightlinebags.com.  Thanks again!

      Bryan

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210559#210559

      Attachments: 

      http://forums.matronics.com//files/brightline_pilot_flight_bag_140.jpg

________________________________________________________________________________
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From: dralle(at)matronics.com
Subject: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!      

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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contribution Site URL Clarification      

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Subject: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists...      

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Subject: List Fund Raiser       

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From: "steve, ashley and corbin" <gobigred(at)sio.midco.net>
Subject: Re: Contribution Site URL Clarification
Date: Nov 05, 2008      

      Please stop e-mailing

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
      Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:01 AM
      Subject: Beech-List: Contribution Site URL Clarification

      >
      > Dear Listers,
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Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists      

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Subject: Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%...       

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Subject: What Members Are Saying...      

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      The site is quite helpful.
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      Very interesting List that I read form the beginning.
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      my build-time.
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...?      

      Dear Listers,

      The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is
      currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%!  I'm hoping that everyone
      is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-)

      Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
      up and running and most importantly - AD FREE!  If the members don't want to
      support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements
      to offset the costs of running the Lists.  But I *really* don't want to
      have to start doing that.  I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and
      I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.

      Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
      operation of all these Lists:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
      made their generous Contribution to support the Lists!  Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: LOC      

      Dear Listers, 

      Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
      that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.  Its sort
      of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
      for the Lists.

      Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
      (LOC)?  As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
      at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
      tool as your typical magazine subscription!

      Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC!  Show others
      that you appreciate the Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
      fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or by popping a personal check in the mail to:

              Matronics Email Lists
              c/o Matt Dralle
              PO Box 347
              Livermore CA 94551-0347 

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far in this year's List Fund Raiser!  Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
      these Lists going and improving!  Don't forget to include a little comment about
      how the Lists have helped you!

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Value of the List...      

      If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
      written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
      worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year.  You'd pay twice that for a
      subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out.  Isn't the
      List worth at least that much to you?  

      Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
      Lists? 

      Contribution Page: 

                 http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
      during this year's List Fund Raiser!!  These Lists are made possible exclusively
      through YOUR generosity!! 

      Thank you for your support! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Email List Admin. 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days...      

      Dear Listers,

      There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser.  There are
      some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's
      plenty still available.  Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps
      the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling!

      If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take
      a minute right now to make your personal Contribution?

      Credit Card or Paypal:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Personal Check:

      	Matronics / Matt Dralle
      	PO Box 347
      	Livermore, CA 94550

      Thank you for your support!

      Matt Dralle

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today!      

      There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser. 
      Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and
      make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!

      Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or by sending your personal check to:

      	Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle
      	PO Box 347
      	Livermore, CA 94551-0347

      (Please write your email address on the check!)

      Thank you in advance for your support of these List services!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Have Been Saying      

      Wow!  Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been
      using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists.  Thank
      you!  I have included a number of them below.  Please read over a few and see
      if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the
      Lists to you...

      There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're
      still way behind previous years.  If you've been waiting until the last minute
      to show your support, Now is the Time!  Please make your Contribution and pick
      up a great gift at the same time!

      By Credit Card or Paypal:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or By Personal Check:

      	Matronics / Matt Dralle
      	PO Box 347
      	Livermore, CA 94550-7227

      Thank you in advance!!

      Matt Dralle
      Email List and Forums Administrator

      Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their
      personal Contributions this year...

      Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has 
      saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by 
      helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with 
      low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to 
      the typical head scratchers that you run into.
      						Kevin H

      Valuable service.  Best List(s) on the Internet!
      						George A

      Please accept this token not as an indicator of what
      this list has been worth to me this past year.
      						Lew G

      Great information and entertainment.
      						Tim V

      Thanks again for another great year of service. This
      project would be beyond me if it were not for the list.
      Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their
      weight in GOLD!
      						Robert B

      Great support you provide to all the subscribers!
      						Freddie H

      Read it every day.
      						PF B

      Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics
      Lists!  Your services are head and shoulders above the 
      rest.  
      						James M

      Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community".
      						Bill T

      Thanks, Matt, for a great service!  I've been monitoring
      and using the lists since 1999.
      						Richard D

      Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and
      effort you put into it.
      						John R

      A great service year after year.
      						John D

      ..another year of fantastic service.
      						Jerry B

      This list is a great resource.
      						Arden A

      Great list.
      						James M

      Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS.
      						John S

      Great resources for both the beginner and experienced.
      						George R

      Good service.
      						Gary G

      The List is an invaluable resource!
      						William C

      AeroElectric list is a great source of info and learning!
      						Janice J

      Thank you, Matt for being there for us making it all happen
      on the List for so many years - Great JOB!
      						Sam S

      Thank you for providing a great venue.  You definitely hit
      the nail on the head with your solicitation asking if
      readers look forward to receiving the email digests.  I
      certainly do and when I move from a dreamer to a builder, I
      expect the anticipation will only increase.
      						Joe S

      Thanks for a Perfect working list.
      						Hans-Peter R

      Great List
      						Bryan K

      Such a great selection of valuable forums!
      						David G

      Nice job!
      						Walt E

      Good resource...
      						Robert P

      Thank you for another great year!
      						Scott S

      I could not do this without you...
      						Robert D

      I believe I've been a list member for over a decade 
      now.  Thanks for the service!
      						Tim L

      Great List
      						Hendrik W

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!      

      Dear Listers,

      Its November 30th and that means three things:..  

      	1) Today I am now officially 45 years old...

             	2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund Raiser! 

             	3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! 

      If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
      no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
      their continued operation and upkeep.  Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
      to keep the List bills paid.

      I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your name is
      on it!  

      Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year!  It is greatly
      appreciated.

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
Date: Dec 06, 2008
Subject: LG earbox      

      Hi,
      My lg made noises and tripped the breaker on the last retraction.  any s
      uggestions where to send the gearbox?  Any thing else we should look for
      ?
      Sherman Butler
      G 35

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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: LG earbox
Date: Dec 06, 2008      
      Hello Sherm:

      You've probably already done this but I would sure put her up on jacks 
      and cycle the gear up and down to try to pinpoint if the problem is 
      actually 1) in the gearbox, 2) in the landing gear linkage etc. 3) in 
      the landing gear motor and it's little gear train.  

      I O/H'd my own gear box, it's a worm & ring mechanism with mostly seals 
      & bearings to replace.  Not a lot to go wrong.  I only did mine because 
      the seals (old original leather) were leaking.

      Best of luck,

      Randy, Las Vegas, Straight 35

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: llsbiii3(at)netzero.net 
        To: beech-list(at)matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:44 PM
        Subject: Beech-List: LG earbox

        Hi,

        My lg made noises and tripped the breaker on the last retraction.  any 
      suggestions where to send the gearbox?  Any thing else we should look 
      for?

        Sherman Butler
        G 35

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2008
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List of Contributors 2008      

      Dear Listers,

      This year's Fund Raiser has drawn to a close and I want to thank everyone that
      so generously made a contribution this year in support of the Matronics Email
      List and Forum operation.  Your generosity keeps the wheels on this cart and I
      truly appreciate the many kind words of encouragement and financial reimbursement.

      If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser, please
      feel free to do so.  The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available
      on the Contribution site for a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution
      today and still get your great gift!  Once again, the URL for the Contribution
      web site is: 

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or by personal check to:

              Matronics / Matt Dralle
              PO Box 347
              Livermore CA 94551-0347

      I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise.  These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products.  Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!!  Your support is very much appreciated!

      And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2008 List of Contributors current
      as of 12/7/08!  Have a look at this list of names as *these* are the people
      that make all of these List services possible!  I can't thank each of you
      enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! 

      THANK YOU! 

              http://www.matronics.com/loc/2008.html

      I will be shipping out all of the gifts around the end of December.  In most cases,
      gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. 

      Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! 

      Best regards, 

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "llsbiii3(at)netzero.net" <llsbiii3(at)netzero.net>
Date: Dec 10, 2008
Subject: Re: Beech-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 12/06/08      
      Thanks Randy.
      I was based at N. Las Vegas for a while in 2003-2004
      Sherman

      ________________________________  Message 2  ___________________________
      __________

      From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com>
      Subject: Re: Beech-List: LG earbox

      Hello Sherm:

      You've probably already done this but I would sure put her up on jacks 

      and cycle the gear up and down to try to pinpoint if the problem is 

      actually 1) in the gearbox, 2) in the landing gear linkage etc. 3) in 

      the landing gear motor and it's little gear train.  

      I O/H'd my own gear box, it's a worm & ring mechanism with mostly seals 

      & bearings to replace.  Not a lot to go wrong.  I only did mine because 

      the seals (old original leather) were leaking.

      Best of luck,

      Randy, Las Vegas, Straight 35

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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ian Dewhirst" <idewhirst(at)indtechnology.com>
Subject: Cowl Flaps
Date: Dec 11, 2008      
      Hello, 

      I am replacing the fixed cowl vents on my 64 35B33 (Debonair) with bonanza
      cowl flaps.  I have all the parts and the cowl flaps are in place etc.  I am
      not sure where the cowl flap control is positioned on the instrument panel.
      I would very much appreciate a description or picture of the cowl flap
      control placement from an owner with a 35N /33E or newer bonanza.  Thanks in
      advance 

      Cheers -- Ian
      Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 64 35-B33

________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Aitken" <matrix02(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Cowl Flaps
Date: Dec 11, 2008      
      The cowl flap control goes to the left of the flap switch. It can just be
      seen in the attached picture. I have some cowl flap parts if you need any.

      Jim Aitken

      Winnipeg

      204 801 8014

        _____  

      From: owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-beech-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ian Dewhirst
      Sent: December 11, 2008 3:42 PM
      Subject: Beech-List: Cowl Flaps

      Hello, 

      I am replacing the fixed cowl vents on my 64 35B33 (Debonair) with bonanza
      cowl flaps.  I have all the parts and the cowl flaps are in place etc.  I am
      not sure where the cowl flap control is positioned on the instrument panel.
      I would very much appreciate a description or picture of the cowl flap
      control placement from an owner with a 35N /33E or newer bonanza.  Thanks in
      advance 

      Cheers -- Ian

      Ottawa, Ontario, Canada 64 35-B33

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2009
From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net
Subject: rfq      

      Please quote price/availability/condition

      Part number         Description                    Quantity

      512171-1           Brake disc drive key              2

      9520654            Screw for above                   2

      50-110066-26       Lens LH                           1

      50-110066-27       Lens RH                           1

      All for Beech C50 Twin Bonanza   
      1955   S/N Ch 161

      Thanks

      Dave

      STERLING AVIATION SERVICES, INC.
      1418 SOUTH 42nd Street
      WILMINGTON, NC 28403
      OFFICE (910) 232-2712
      FAX (910) 794-8832
      davewsr(at)earthlink.net

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2009
From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net
Subject: RFQ was sent in error      

      Although if anyone has this stuff feel free to let me know.

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Hot offer for Nanchang CJ6 aircraft parts
From: "Nanchang CJ6" <liutiantian1987(at)hotmail.com>
Date: May 04, 2009      

      Part number Description Chinese Description Quantity Unit PriceUSD 
      1 DZ-5 Spark Plugs  200 22 
      2 QS-2 Brake valve differential  4 420 
      3 BG12-1A Instrument altimeter  1 191 
      4 FL-3 Compass amplifier  5 137 
      5 ZH-4 Instrument compass indicator  3 82 
      6 GY-1 Fuel pressure  2 119 
      7 ZWH-1 Instrument cyl. Temp  4 101 
      8 ZZ30-1C Instrument tach single needle  29 131 
      9 DH-2 Boost coil  6 135 
      10 TS-1 Prop governer  4 465 
      11 CP-15 Petrol Pumb(gasoline)  2 412 
      12 CB-32A Engine oil pump  4 691 
      13 BC10 Instrument vsi (rate of climb)  5 88 
      14 BAV-3 Instrument current voltage  1 100 
      15 BYJ-1 Instrument manifold press  4 82 
      16 CSR-1 Air radiator  4 505 
      17 H2-6112-00A/1 2 Oil house R/H   4 674 
      18 Propeller blade  4 3236 
      19 BDP-2B Instrument Horizon  2 1026 
      20 301 Clock front cockpit  2 336 
      21 2UC2-7 Instrument oil indicator  1 494 
      22 BYQ80-1A Air pressure guage  2 52 
      23 QS-1 Brake valve reducing  7 150 
      24 KY-2C Air Compressor  2 382 
      25 SB-1 Pump manual fuel wobble pump  2 138 
      26 QHQ-14 Carburetor  2 121

      --------
      Tally:86-13468610692

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242738#242738

________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: May 30, 2009
From: Max Hegler <maxhegler(at)msn.com>      
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net
Subject: RFQ      

       Hi

      Looking for 1 ea  Switch P/N  1C670

      Regards

      Dave Walen

      STERLING AVIATION SERVICES, INC.
      1418 SOUTH 42nd Street
      WILMINGTON, NC 28403
      OFFICE (910) 232-2712
      FAX (910) 794-8832

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 17, 2009
From: davewsr(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Switch inquiry      

      Sorry guys 

      I sent that first email to the site by accident, but hey; maybe someone has one

      The switch is for a Century 3 autopilot among others.
      It is the control yoke switch that incorporates electric trim and has a press functinon
      on top that must be activated to either disengage the autopilot or use
      the trim.
      I believe Piper autopilots used the same switcha nd that it is likely and Edo Aire
      part.

      Thanks

      DW

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Bonanza with IO-520BB idles rough
From: "pankajnagarkoti86" <pankajnagarkoti86(at)gmail.com>
Date: Oct 12, 2009      

      no,Any ideas| 
       ......because i do not knowledge for that.

      --------
       | 

      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=267643#267643

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November!      

      Dear Listers,

      Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics.  It's solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.  There is NO advertising to support the Lists.  You might have noticed the conspicuous lack of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages and web site pages such as the Matronics List Forums ( http://forums.matronics.com ), the List Wiki ( http://wiki.matronics.com), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), the List Browser ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc.  This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisements.

      During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
      days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway.  I ask for your patience
      and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
      The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
      of the bills associated with running these lists.  Your personal Contribution
      counts!

      Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
      the various Contribution levels.  Most all of these gifts have been provided
      by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
      have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.  

      This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).  

      These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
      web sites.  Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
      line.  I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
      of the Lists again this year!!

      You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
      year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check.  All three methods
      afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
      a qualifying Contribution amount!!  

      To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
      support over the years!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November List Fund Raiser       

      A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
      the Fund Raiser messages.  Here's how it works...  As soon as a List member makes
      a Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will
      instantly cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month!
      Its just that simple.  Don't you wish PBS worked that way!  :-)

      I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
      the Lists.  It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
      and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one.  It also goes
      to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
      bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
      on.  I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
      allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
      reliably and performance. 

      Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
      as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running.  I accept
      exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites.  I can't stand
      the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
      these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.

      If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
      Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! 

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Thank you! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator 

      [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
      related message.  For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
      when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
      The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
      public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder      

      Dear Listers,

      Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser.  The Matronics
      Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
      for my your Contributions during this time of the year.  

      Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
      Lists and Forums completely ad-free.

      Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists      

      Dear Listers,

      There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
      The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
      Fund
      Raiser.

      Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
      of these services.  You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
      too!

      You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or, you can send a personal check to the following address:

              Matronics / Matt Dralle
              PO Box 347
              Livermore, CA 94551-0347

      Thank you in advance for your generous support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution      Today!

      Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
      that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way
      of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for
      the Lists. 

      Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
      (LOC)?  As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
      at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
      tool as your typical magazine subscription! 

      Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
      that you appreciate the Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
      fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: 

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              PO Box 347 
              Livermore CA 94551-0347 

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far in this year's List Fund Raiser!  Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
      these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
      how the Lists have helped you! 

      Best regards, 

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser      

      Dear Listers,

      Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month.  There
      are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! 

      Please make your Contribution today:  

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Some Very Nice Comments...       

      Dear Listers,

      I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
      Support Contributions.  I've shared some of them below.  Please read them over
      and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.

      Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
      of these services.

      There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
      pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance for your generous support!  It is very much appreciated!

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

      ----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------

      Few things in life bring more usefulness than the List.  This 
      is worth every penny!
      								Stephen T.

      I have enjoyed the list for way too many years, but continue
      to get closer to flying my project with the help of listers.
      								C.L.

      Thanks for this List.  It's been a great source of encouragement 
      and information.
      								Arden A.

      Great service!
      								Gerald T.

      It's always interesting reading the lists and I've gotten some 
      good help from the issues and answers there.  
      								Steve T.

      Been a member of the List for 12 years.  Keep up the good work.
      								John H.

      Great Site!
      								Harry M.

      Great source of information...
      								Martin H.

      Thanks for providing this great service!
      								Jeff P.

       I continue to get and give information through these lists.
      								Ralph C.

      This is a wonderful resource!
      								Warren H.

      This is what inernet was meant for, sharing information and 
      experience.							Michael W.

      Thanks for making such a good list!
      								Fred D.

      Thanks for running a great service!
      								Michael F.

      I really appreciate it.
      								Dan H.

      Thanks for the great service.
      								Michael L.

      Thanks for maintaining this great resource.
      								John C.

      Your sites have been a great resourses and an introduction 
      to many competent aircraft designers and fabricators.
      								Jon M.

      Thanks for all that you do to maintain the Matronics forums
      and for the personal help that you have been to me in
      answering my questions regarding the use of the forums.
      								William B.

      [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and 
      make my systems better. 					 Ralph C.

      The Universe is a better place because of you.
      								Eric J.

________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Nokia n900@$240 ,Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2--$250
From: "school01" <seunplaygirl(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Nov 13, 2009      

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      BlackBerry Bold 9700----$250 
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      Eten glofiish X610 -- $165 
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      Read this topic online here:

      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=272684#272684

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 16, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 21%...      

      Dear Listers,

      As of today, contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
      last year at this time by 21%.  I have a fund raiser each year simply to cover
      my operating costs for the Lists.  I *do not* accept any advertising income
      to support the Lists and rely solely on the contributions of members to keep the
      expenses paid.

      I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
      connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space.  I
      also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
      data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
      the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
      of hours.

      All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
      my personal time as well.  I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs
      and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments,
      make a modest contribution each year to support the continued operation and
      upgrade of these services.

      If you enjoy the Lists, please make a contribution today.  I also offer some incentive
      gifts for larger contribution levels.  At the Contribution Web Wite, you
      can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
      continuation of these services:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you for your support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 18, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?           

      Dear Listers, 

      Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
      Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
      for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
      the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
      services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
      the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
      Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
      said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
      and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
      maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
      Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.

      But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
      peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
      censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
      on the Internet can you make all those statements these days? 
      It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
      List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one
      of the best investments you can make in your Sport... 

      List Contribution Web Site: 

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Thank you for your support! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Email List Administrator 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 20, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Still Trailing Last Year...      

      Dear Listers,

      There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser!  Response
      has been very good, but still well behind last year.  If you've been waiting until
      the last minute to make your contribution and maybe even pick up a great
      gift, now might be good time to show your support! 

      Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
      and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
      during this Fund Raiser.

      Please make a Contribution today!

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed!  List of Contributors Published in      December!

      Dear Listers, 

      The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner!  In December I post a
      list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
      Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
      for the Lists. 

      Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?  Tell others
      that you appreciate the Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists
      is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: 

             http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to: 

      	Matronics / Matt Dralle 
      	PO Box 347 
      	Livermore CA 94551-0347 
      	USA 
      	(Please include your email address on the check!) 

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
      these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
      about how the Lists have helped you! 

      Thank you! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...      

      There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
      days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year.  Support
      is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
      it will pick up here towards the end.  Please remember that it is solely the
      Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
      is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.

      The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
      card, Paypal, or a personal check:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
      the Lists!  

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 26, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?      

      Dear Listers,

      Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving.  Many
      of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
      feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
      upon us.

      Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
      for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
      assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. 
      One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
      "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
      That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. 
      Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
      to check my List email!!

      Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
      their continued operation and upgrade?

      The List Contribution Site is:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...      

      Even though the number of List subscriptions and List posts are up significantly
      this year compared to last year, support during this year's List Fund Raiser
      has been woefully lagging from last year.  There are only a couple more days
      left in November and the end of the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.  

      I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
      have also expressed that they do as well.  However, if the yearly fund raiser
      cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid on the List service expenses,
      I will have to look into some sort of advertising.  Please don't let that
      happen!

      Your personal contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping the operation
      a float.  The lunch combo at Carl's Jr costs nearly $10 these days.  Isn't
      the List worth at least as much as a couple of burgers?  

      Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
      December.  The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance for your support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two More Days Left; Fund Raiser Behind By 12%...      

      Dear Listers, 

      This year's List Fund Raiser is still trailing last year by a 12% margin.  If you
      like the ad-free environment that is the Matronics Email List and Forum experience,
      please make a quick Contribution to keep it that way!  

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I've been getting a ton of really nice comments from Contributors regarding the
      Lists.  Please read over some of them below and see if they don't resonate with
      you as well.

      Thank you in advance for your generous contribution to support these Lists!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

      --------------------------- Member Feedback ----------------------------

      ur web site is a real institution of the whole Experimental 
      Aircraft subculture.
      								John G
      Thanks Matt for the lists. A lot of good info. Great bunch
      of list members. Great videos and no SPAM.
      								Paul C
      It has been a valuable tool.
      								Troy M
      ..appreciate the site as much as ever.
      								Larry M
      By using various forums I've learned a ton, received great 
      advice, made friends, and saved money!
      								Craig W
      Since I've finished [my project], I've not had much to do as
      far as fabrication of electrical systems. However,
      selectively reading various topics is still very valuable
      and Bob's insights and new how to's make me a continuous 
      subscriber.
      								Larry F
      Matronics user groups are the best tool I have for learning
      to build my RV-10!
      								Philip W
      There is always useful knowledge to be found on this list, 
      and I suspect that it has kept quite a few people out of
      trouble over the years it has been in operation. Good
      entertainment, too.
      								Graham H
      Great web site.  I wish I'd known about it while building.
      								Bob S
      I'm happy to provide some support to this list. It is very
      helpful. 
      								Vaughn T
      Good service to sport aviation!!
      								Roger B
      Awesome Service you provide for us!
      								Bill R
      My [project] is almost finished!  However, it wouldn't be
      close without the [this] group. 
      								Douwe B
      Great list.
      								Robert S
      I'm not a builder yet but learning lots from the list.
      								Peter M
      Some nonsense, some humor, but mostly good information.
      								Tony C
      Thanks for creating and keeping the Lists. They are
      entertaining and always informative!
      								John M
      Thanks for this valuable resource to our community.
      								Barry H
      The list is IMHO the greatest resource on the net.
      								John B
      Thanks again for providing another year of your useful 
      List service.
      								Jerry B
      Great site indeed, every time I get a message I usually 
      learn something.
      								Peter B
      You are making a huge contribution to the builder fraternity 
      and in no small way enhancing sport aviation safety.
      								Richard G
      The List is the SINGLE, MOST IMPORTANT resource I have in
      building my RV10. I would be lost without out it. And I
      have made a bunch of new friends as well!
      								Les K
      The lists are one of the things I really enjoy, so keep
      up the good work.
      								Freddie H
      Every year -- the best value for my time and money!
      								Owen B
      This list is a major contribution to safe building!
      								Donald K
      Really enjoy the daily boost it gives me.
      								Walter S
      In the last 18 months I have been privileged to listen &
      ask. I have learnt at the feet of the masters...
      								Stewart G
      You set the standard on how Internet forums should be run
      and managed.
      								Larry W
      The Universe is a better place because of you.
      								Eric J
      [The List] helped me get flying, fly off my test hours and 
      make my systems better.  I continue to get and give 
      information through these lists.
      								Ralph C
      ..another GREAT year of advice, answers, and inspiration 
      courtesy of the Lists and your hard work!!!!
      								Rob B
      ..the best forum on the Internet!
      								Robert B
      I can't tell you how grateful I am for your list and your 
      subscribers to keep me up to date and holding the dream.
      								Ashley M
      This page makes it easy to contribute.
      								Jeffrey P

      Thank you for your expertise in creating & running the
      much useful lists!
      								Anthony P
      Thanks for providing our advertising free on line community.
      								George R
      Thanks for maintaining the equipment and software to
      provide this valuable source of information to us
      individuals. Your effort is appreciated by many more people
      than you realize.
      								Ross H
      Thanks for a great site.  Although the project is complete 
      and flying I still get a wealth of information from all 
      the messages.
      								Marcus C
      Only learned about you six months ago...my RV-7A is just
      finished, but the list has been helpful.  Wish I had
      discovered you sooner.  
      								Jack B
      This is an invaluable communications media for us
      common minded folks to exchange technical and other
      information.
      								George H
      ..great service that you provide.
      								David W
      ..still appreciate your list.
      								Alain L
      [The] Lists are an invaluable resource.  I know that it has
      helped me enormously in my project.
      								William B

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!      

      Dear Listers, 

      Its November 30th and that means at least two things.  For better or worse, its
      my 46th birthday!   But it also means that its that last official day of the
      Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!  If you been jones'n over one of the really
      nice gifts that are available this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now
      is the time to jump on one!! 

      If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
      it off for some reason, NOW is the time! 

      I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
      to be known as a person that supported the Lists!

      I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
      year in support of our Lists.  It is your generosity that keeps this operation
      a float and I don't ever forget it.  Hopefully everyone feels the same. 

      The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy.  Please support our habit by making
      your Contribution right now: 

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Thank you to all in advance! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 21, 2009
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2009 List of Contributors      

      Dear Listers,

      The 2009 Matronics Email List and Forum Fund Raiser officially ended a couple of
      weeks ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors.  Its
      the people on this list that directly make the Email Lists and Forums possible.
      Their generous
      contributions keep the servers and Internet connection up and running.

      You can still show your support this year and pick up a great gift at the same
      time.  The Contribution Web Site is fast, easy, and secure:

      	http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I also want to thank Bob, Jon, Andy, and John for their generous support through
      the supply of great gifts this year!!  These guys have some great products and
      I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:

      	Bob Nucklolls - AeroElectric - www.aeroelectric.com

      	Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - www.homebuilthelp.com

      	Andy Gold - The Builder's Bookstore - www.buildersbooks.com

      	John Caldwell - HowToCrimp - www.howtocrimp.com

      And finally, I'm proud to present The 2009 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:

      	http://www.matronics.com/loc/2009.html

      Thanks again to everyone that made a Contribution this year!!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2010
Subject: 
From: Thom Cook <Thom(at)adesignerstouch.com>      

      http://StevieVaneffen3564.co.cc

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff!      

      Dear Listers,

      Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
      and upgrade of the List services at Matronics.  It's solely through the Contributions
      of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.  There is NO
      advertising to support the Lists.  You might have noticed the conspicuous lack
      of flashing banners and annoying pop-ups on the Matronics Email List email messages
      and web site pages including:

      	* Matronics List Forums          http://forums.matronics.com

      	* Matronics List List Wiki       http://wiki.matronics.com

      	* Matronics List Search Engine   http://www.matronics.com/search

      	* Matronics List Browser         http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse

      You don't find advertising on any of these pages because I believe in a List experience
      that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and
      not about annoying advertisements.

      During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every couple of
      days reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway.  I ask for your patience
      and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
      The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all
      of the bills associated with running these Lists.  Your personal Contribution
      counts!

      Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
      the various Contribution levels.  Most all of these gifts have been provided
      by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
      have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.  

      This year, these generous people include:

      	* Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection      http://www.aeroelectric.com

      	* Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore             http://www.buildersbooks.com

      	* Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP                       http://www.homebuilthelp.com 

      These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
      web sites.  Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
      line.  I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
      of the Lists again this year!!

      You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods including
      using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check.  All three methods afford
      you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
      Contribution amount!!

      To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
      support over the years!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator
      RV-8 Builder and Flyer

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 03, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: November List Fund Raiser       

      There is an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. 
      Here's how it works...  As soon as a List member makes a Contribution through
      the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, they will instantly cease to receive these
      Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month!  Its just that simple. 

      I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
      the Lists.  It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
      and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one.  It also goes
      to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
      bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
      on.  I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
      allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
      reliably and performance. 

      Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
      as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running.  I accept
      exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites.  I can't stand
      the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
      these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.

      If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
      Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!! 

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Thank you! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator 

      [Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
      related message.  For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
      when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
      The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
      public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder      

      Dear Listers,

      A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser.  The Matronics Lists
      are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
      my your Contributions during this time of the year.  

      Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
      Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.

      Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists      

      Dear Listers,

      There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
      The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
      Fund Raiser.

      Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
      of these services.  You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
      too!

      You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or, you can send a personal check to the following address:

              Matronics / Matt Dralle
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore, CA 94550

      Thank you in advance for your generous support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Coming Soon - The List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution      Today!

      Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
      that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.  Its my way
      of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
      for the Lists. 

      Please take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
      (LOC)!  As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
      at least as valuable a building / entertainment tool as your typical magazine
      subscription! 

      Assure that your name is on this year's LOC!  Show others that you appreciate the
      Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists is fast and easy using your
      Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site: 

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
             	581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far in this year's List Fund Raiser!  Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
      these Lists going and improving!  Don't forget to include a little comment about
      how the Lists have helped you! 

      Best regards, 

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Support The Lists...       

      Dear Listers,

      Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month.  There
      are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! 

      Please make your Contribution today at:  

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
             	581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 12, 2010
From: Enrique Villacrez <evillacrez(at)armstrongpower.com>
Subject: Remove       

      Beech-List Digest Server wrote:

      >*
      >
      > =================================================
      >   Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
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      >Today's complete Beech-List Digest can also be found in either of the 
      >two Web Links listed below.  The .html file includes the Digest formatted 
      >in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes 
      >and Message Navigation.  The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version 
      >of the Beech-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor 
      >such as Notepad or with a web browser. 
      >
      >HTML Version:
      >
      >    http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 10-11-11&Archive=Beech
      >
      >Text Version:
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      >    http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 10-11-11&Archive=Beech
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      >     0. 12:11 AM - Please Support The Lists...   (Matt Dralle)
      > 
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      >
      >
      >From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
      >Subject: Beech-List: Please Support The Lists... 
      >
      >
      >Dear Listers,
      >
      >Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. 
      There
      >are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! 
      >
      >Please make your Contribution today at:  
      >
      >        http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      >
      >or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: 
      >
      >        Matt Dralle / Matronics 
      >       	581 Jeannie Way 
      >        Livermore CA 94550
      >
      >Thank you!
      >
      >Matt Dralle
      >Matronics Email List Administrator
      >
      >
      > 
      >
      >
      > 
      > 
      >
      >
      >  
      >

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution...      

      Dear Listers,

      A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser.  The Matronics Lists
      are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided for
      my your Contributions during this time of the year.  

      Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
      Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.

      Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Thank you in advance!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser & Some Very Nice Comments...       

      Dear Listers,

      I've been getting some really nice comments from Listers along with their List
      Support Contributions.  I've shared some of them below.  Please read them over
      and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.

      Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation
      of these services.

      There are lots of sweet gifts available, so browse the extensive selection and
      pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.

      Contribution Web Site:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
             	581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550

      Thank you in advance for your generous support!  It is very much appreciated!

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

      -------------------------------------------------------

      You are providing a great service. Thanks so very much.
      							David L

      Keep up the good work!   A great website - wish I'd found it earlier!
      							Bob S

      Thanks for providing a site for information.
      							Jim S

      Thanks again for providing a great service to our community!
      							Alex M

      Thanks and keep up the good work!
      							Robert B.

      Great forum!
      							David S

      Thanks for providing the Kolb List for the last 12 years.
      							John H

      Long time lurker, it's a great resource...many thanks.
      							Ian C

      Your work and effort are greatly appreciated.
      							Nicolas L

      Thank you very much for keeping the list going!
      							Svein J

      Thank you for your support to the community.
      							Valin T

      I am a long time subscriber and a slow builder because of
      work and two moves, but still enjoy the process and your
      list.
      							CL M

      Thanks for providing this service.  It can't be beat!
      							Thomas W

      I'm no longer a builder or flier but I like to keep in touch with 
      the List - which is the best organised list I've seen on the Internet.
      							Gerry C

      Matt, you are doing a GREAT service to the community of KOLB
      Builders and Flyers.
      							John B

      I've been flying for almost two years and still find these Lists as a great 
      resource for information.....now I get to answer a question once-in-a-while too.
      							Ralph C

      Thanks for this great service.
      							Dale E

      I couldn't keep on building without the support I get from this List.
      							Thomas S

      This is a great service to all of us.
      							Michael W

      I am no longer actively building, but I really like to keep up with what's 
      going on, and I especially like to follow Bob Nuckolls - and your RV-8.
      							Terrence W

      I really appreciate your work and consider the lists to be a great value.
      							Christopher R

      Thanks Matt for a great resource!
      							Geoff T

      Many thanks for providing this service.  I love it.
      							William V

      One of the best Internet Deals going...
      							Owen B

      Thanks for the great site.
      							Danny S

      A valuable resource.
      							George A

      Thanks for running a great list.		
      							Ted P

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's My Contribution Used For?           

      Dear Listers, 

      Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
      Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
      for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
      the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing List
      services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling
      the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
      Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for narly 20 years (yeah, I really
      said *20* years) worth of online archive data available for instant random search
      and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and
      maintaining the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
      Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.

      But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
      peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
      censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many places
      on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?  It is YOUR
      CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable List
      services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
      best investments you can make in your Sport... 

      List Contribution Web Site: 

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Or drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
             	581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550

      Thank you for your support! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Email List Administrator 

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few Days Left; Well Behind Last Year...      

      Dear Listers,

      There are just a few more days left of this year's List Fund Raiser.  Response
      has been good so far, but we're well behind last year at this point.  If you've
      been waiting until the last minute to make your Contribution, now might be good
      time to show your support and maybe pick up a nice gift as well! 

      Please remember that there is no commercial advertising on these Lists and the
      *only* means of keeping them running is through your Contributions during this
      Fund Raiser.  If it weren't for your individual Contributions, these Lists could
      easily become economically infeasible and simply cease to exist.  

      You probably can't even take the family out to dinner for $20 these days, but your
      individual Contribution of the same amount makes a huge difference in keeping
      the List services alive.

      Please make a Contribution today with a Credit Card or Paypal:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 21, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed!  List of Contributors Published in      December!

      Dear Listers, 

      The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner!  In December I post a
      list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
      Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
      for the Lists. 

      Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC?  Tell others
      that you appreciate the Lists.  Making a Contribution to support the Lists
      is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account: 

             http://www.matronics.com/contribution 

      Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550
      	USA

      I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
      far during this year's List Fund Raiser!  Remember that its YOUR support that
      keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
      about how the Lists have
      helped you! 

      Thank you! 

      Matt Dralle 
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 22, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 17%...      

      Dear Listers,

      As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
      last year at this time by roughly 17%.  I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
      to cover my operating costs for the Lists.  I *do not* accept any advertising
      income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
      keep the expenses paid.

      I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
      connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space.  I
      also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
      data so that in the event of a server crash or worse, all of the Lists and
      the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter
      of hours.

      All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
      my personal time.  I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
      ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
      modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
      these services.

      If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today.  I also offer some incentive
      gifts for larger Contribution levels.  At the Contribution Web Wite, you
      can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
      continuation of these services:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550
      	USA

      Thank you for your support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 24, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...      

      There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
      days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year.  Support
      is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
      it will pick up here towards the end.  Please remember that it is solely the
      Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
      is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.

      The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
      card, Paypal, or a personal check:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550
      	USA

      I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
      the Lists!  

      Thank you!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Are You Thankful For...?      

      Dear Listers,

      Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving.  Many
      of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
      feasts of plenty and giving thanks for the many blessings that have been bestowed
      upon us.

      Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
      for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
      assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists. 
      One of my favorite comments is when someone writes to me and says something like,
      "Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
      That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. 
      Its always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
      to check my List email!!

      Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
      their continued operation and upgrade?

      The List Contribution Site is:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550
      	USA

      Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...      

      Dear Listers,

      Curiously, even though the number of List subscriptions are significantly up this
      year, support during this year's Fund Raiser is still substantially behind
      last year.  There are only a couple more days left in November and the end of
      the Fund Raiser is quickly approaching.  

      I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members
      have also expressed that they do as well.  However, if the yearly fund raiser
      cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income
      might be required including some sort of advertising.  Please don't let that
      happen!  Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping
      the operation a float.

      Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors published in
      December.  

      The Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
              581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550
      	USA

      Thank you in advance for your support!

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator

________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2010
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Three Days Left & Some Very Nice Comments...       

      Dear Listers,

      There are just three days left in this year's List Fund Raiser.  Won't you take
      a monment and make a quick Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
      and operation of these Forum services.

      I've received some more really nice comments from Listers along with their List
      Support Contributions, and I've share a few below.

      There are some sweet gifts available this year, so browse the selections and pickup
      a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.

      Contribution Web Site:

              http://www.matronics.com/contribution

      Or drop a personal check in the mail to: 

              Matt Dralle / Matronics 
             	581 Jeannie Way 
              Livermore CA 94550
      	USA

      Thank you in advance for your generous support!  It is very much appreciated!

      Best regards,

      Matt Dralle
      Matronics Email List Administrator

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