Commander-Archive.digest.vol-ac
June 20, 2001 - August 08, 2001
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Oh,BY the way,Iwas going the Florida-Seminole(BURN)Wussy route,but MYYYYY
DE. discouraged me from that route and talked me into entering the great
world of ME flying in the GREATEST ME plane in the world! AL
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| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Justified passion there, Al.
Of course, you are right and also double right for pointing it out. Nobody
in his right mind should cut a good running motor at low altitude and kill a
pilot just to show him how dangerous it is. I didn't mention it in my
dissertation and I should have, but it should be said clearly, and this
should be cleared with your DE before you strap that plane onto your
backside: don't you dare cut an engine on me at low altitude. We will do
engine out exercises at altitude! Simulate a runway altitude at say 5000'
(there are many airports at that altitude in standard conditions, let alone
DA, so it is a perfectly legitimate exercise) and fly at minimum speed well
below VMC and then open the taps for take off. Maintain 5000' and rotate as
usual. Then cut an engine where ever you like and see if you can climb away
at various configurations. With geared motors, it is now no problem to level
off (to stop the clock, so to speak), reduce power on both engines until you
fly in equilibrium, safely reduce power on the engine you want to cut until
beta power, increase power on the live motor at a safe pace and proceed with
the climb away. If you are alone doing these exercises, you can maintian
altitude by reducing power on the 'dead' motor in stages, alternating it
with increase in power on the 'live' motor. This calls for very accurate
flying; try to maintain heading throughout the exercise: it is time spent
very well. If you are two persons up front, the safety pilot can prepare the
'dead' engine while you increase the power on the 'live' engine.
It is a good thing to try and circle and land at 20' up, 50' up, into or out
of the dead engine because the real hard stuff is nearly a mile below you.
If you want to be a hotshot, that is the time to be one. See if you drop
below the 5000' level in your recovery. If you do, you know that it was a
cheap crash. You can analyze and try again until you not only get it right,
but you are performing the maneuvers AUTOMATICALLY. See also what happens
if you cut both engines and determine at which altitude you are able to do a
180 and not fall through 5000'. It is an eye-opener.
It will scare the crap out of you if you haven't tried these exercises
before and they will open up rusted areas in your training that you don't
want to find in other circumstances. In singles these exercises hold true
also, especially for those jocks who think they can whip a plane around to
land on the airfield after losing the only engine at 100' up. It not only
humbles you, it teaches you what not to experiment with when you have no
time to ponder on poetry.
I wrote about my open rating earlier today and when I do airwork to grind in
the procedures for a plane that I have never flown before, I will do 15 to
20 take offs and landings at altitude with varying engine and speed
configurations until I am comfortable that I know what is expected of me.
I wrote an article for AOPA about my years of bush flying and how to prepare
for the accurate flying that is required in that scenario. A lot of that
discipline has been stitched into my ME flying.
Does anybody use the knee-technique in identifying a dead engine? Aw, I am
sure you all know it well.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: enough
>
>
> Oh,BY the way,Iwas going the Florida-Seminole(BURN)Wussy route,but MYYYYY
> DE. discouraged me from that route and talked me into entering the great
> world of ME flying in the GREATEST ME plane in the world! AL
>
>
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| From: | res00rbl <res00rbl(at)verizon.net> |
Great words, Nico - and no, I don't know the "knee" method - please share,
if you would.
Thx! Jim Jorgensen
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| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
Hi All,
In my earlier comments about hard training I think I might have left the door
open and allowed STUPIDITY in.Nico has put it to us all well. I am a
practicing coward when it comes to the ground and especially COWBOYS or
HOTROD pilots. It goes back to the old story of THE OLD and THE BOLD.Getting
to grips with the OH SHIT factor has to be done at altitude.
A point that was raized earlier about the lack of landing and takeoff charts
for the older commanders. I have a solution compliments of our CASA (FAA)
.Years ago the Australian department of Transport decided to reinvent the
wheel (which is not uncommon) and decided to issue their own Flight Manuals
on each aircraft (a uniquely Australian idea) .
I believe that all the calculations are based on origional Manufacturers
claims multiplied by factors ranging from 1.15 to1.5.
The copies I have for my 680E are in poor shape,so I will go down to the
department tomorrow and see if I can get new copies that I can either fax or
Email to those that want them. I will also try and get copies for the 560E
and any others that may still be on record.
Please note that in Australia we work in Knots as opposed to Miles per hour,
Meters opposed to Feet for airfield lengths and Kilograms as opposed to
Pounds.(Pound being were your dog gets sent after arrest).
Anyway all those that want please speak up.
Regards,
Richard.
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| From: | Mark Woodley Earthlink <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | The value of IFR training |
I read this about 5 years ago when I started flying. I learned from it, and had
about 10 hours of VERY SOLID instrument training during my private training.
Not to go flying in conditions I was not legally qualified to fly in, but to
be prepared in case I accidentally got into conditions that were less than favorable
for a VFR pilot since I did the vast majoority of my flying in Night cross
country conditions.
I read this frequently. I also take time and do IFR currency training often.
This senario can occur also for those IFR pilots who don't keep current, or lose
their perspective. Personally I do not consider under the hood necessarily
current. I will do "hard" IFR currency training when there is a nice IFR day,
doing the full set of approaches, and missed approaches with an instructor.
I have been known to take 3 hours of solid actual IFR with an instructor just
for the practice.
It is interesting to me personally, that when I have been in actual IFR doing 8
or 9 approaches, and 7 missed approaches, with vectoring, and hold patterns,
that the stress builds slowly. I am relucant to use the words comfortable when
flying IFR, but I am not uncomfortable while flying IFR I respect the conditions
and place myself in a different frame of mind than when flying in severe
VFR(yes I did type VFR), however after 3 hours of constant missed approaches,
holds, and vectors during actual IFR conditions there is certainly a progression
of stress. In fact I find myself sweating like I ran a marathon by the end
of my "boot camp" type session.
Updated 7/24/99
178 Seconds to Live
How long can a licensed VFR pilot who has little or no instrument training expect
to live after he flies into bad weather and loses visual contact? In 1991 researchers
at the University of Illinois did some tests and came up with some
very interesting data. Twenty VFR pilot "guinea pigs" flew into simulated instrument
weather, and all went into graveyard spirals or roller coasters. The outcome
differed in only one respect - the time required until control was lost.
The interval ranged from 480 seconds to 20 seconds. The average time was 178
seconds -- two seconds short of three minutes.
Here's the fatal scenario. . . . . . .
The sky is overcast and the visibility is poor. That reported five mile visibility
looks more like two, and you can't judge the height of the overcast. Your
altimeter tells you that you are at 5500 feet but your map tells you that there's
local terrain as high as 3200 feet. There might be a tower nearby because
you're not sure how far off course you are so you press on.
You find yourself unconsciously easing back just a bit on the controls to clear
those towers. With no warning, you're in the soup. You peer so hard into the
milky white mist that your eyes hurt. You fight the feelings in your stomach that
tell you're banked left, then right! You try to swallow, only to find your
mouth dry. Now you realize you should have waited for better weather. The appointment
was important, but not all that important. Somewhere a voice is saying,
"You've had it -- it's all over!" You've only referred to you instruments in
the past and have never relied on them. You're sure that this is just a bad
spot and you'll break out in a few minutes. The problem is that you don't have
a few minutes left.
You now have 178 seconds to live.
Your aircraft "feels" on even keel but your compass turns slowly. You push a little
rudder and add a little pressure on the controls to stop the turn but this
feels unnatural and you return the controls to their original position. This
feels better but now your compass is turning a little faster and your airspeed
is increasing slightly. You scan your instruments for help but what you see
looks somewhat unfamiliar. You are confused so you assume the instruments must
be too. You are now experiencing full blown Spatial Disorientation. Up feels
like down and left feels like right. You feel like you are straight and level
again but you're not. The spiral continues.
You now have 100 seconds to live.
You glance at your altimeter and you are shocked to see it unwinding. You're already
down to 3000 feet. Instinctively, you pull back on the controls but the
altimeter still unwinds. You don't realize that you are in a graveyard spiral
and it only gets worse. Your plane is almost sideways you're just tightening the
turn by pulling up but all you can see is that altimeter going lower, lower,
lower. The engine is into the red and growling and the airspeed is dangerously
high. The sound of the air passing by begins to resemble a scream.
You now have 45 seconds to live.
Now you're sweating and shaking. There must be something wrong with the controls;
pulling back only moves the airspeed indicator further into the red. It's supposed
to do the opposite! You can hear the wind tearing at the aircraft. Rivets
are popping as the load on the wings and tail far exceeds design specifications.
1800, 1500, 1100 feet...... down you go.
You now have 10 seconds to live.
Suddenly you see the ground. The trees rush up at you. You can now see the horizon
if you turn your head far enough but it's at a weird angle -- you're almost
inverted! You open your mouth to scream but. . . . . .
Your time is up!
Next time:
LEVEL THE WINGS, REDUCE THROTTLE TO IDLE AND PULL THE NOSE UP NO HIGHER THAN
THE HORIZON! YOUR WINGS PRODUCE ALL THE LIFT BUT THEY CANNOT CARRY YOU OUT OF
DANGER IF THEY ARE AT A STEEP ANGLE! GET YOUR EYES OFF OF THE ALTIMITER AND LOOK
AT YOUR ATTITUDE INDICATOR. THEN LEVEL THE WINGS! LEVEL THE WINGS! LEVEL THE
WINGS!
Ron's Commentary:
Think about it before you press on into marginal weather without an instrument
rating AND recent instrument practice or experience. It is just as important to
keep your instrument skills current and honed AFTER you become rated. To a GOOD
instrument pilot, the view outside of the airplane is of little or no consequence.
We watch our trusty instruments using a good steady scan, never fixating
on one or the other, constantly interpreting what each one is telling us and
how it relates to all the others. If one does not look right, others will either
enforce or negate what it is telling us. We strive to always see the "big
picture" our entire instrument panel is giving us and fly the airplane accordingly.
Someone once said, "Flying itself is inherently safe, but it is mercilessly unforgiving
of error." Could there be a truer statement?
This article seems all too vivid now with the recent death of John F. Kennedy Jr.
on July 17th 1999. He was an aspiring pilot and IMHO, an all around good guy.
But by all reports he never got a standard weather briefing from Flight Service
nor did he call for an in-flight weather update. He chose not to file a flight
plan nor did he reqeust radar flight following which is an option for VFR
pilots. Had no more than 100-150 hours total time, less than 25 hours in his
new plane, a complex Piper Saratoga. Although he had recently started his instrument
training he flew into nighttime blindness with no instrument experience
and the rest is history that none of us will ever forget. Very sad indeed for
a family who has known this kind of tragedy all too often and also the Bessette
family who lost two daughters, one of them an identical twin. I think it is
the remaining twin, Lisa Ann Bessette who will suffer the worst.
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 6/20/01 8:27:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com writes:
<< Hey,those high dollar
Barons,if not caught in 1.75 sec. is rolled! >>
HI ALL.......
Well, I wasn't going to reply but when I saw the Baron reference I
just had to post one more. I promise this is my last. I want to say that
while few minds may have been changed, I think this has been a worth while
discussion and I for one have enjoyed the dialog. Also, while we clearly
disagree on training technique, I love having you in our group Al. Your love
for these great airplanes shows and I enjoy your great humor as well....well,
here goes.
I dug out my log book and I took my ME training just over 20 years ago in a,
you guessed it, Baron, (285hp). I was flying Big, heavy, overloaded, 600HP
Thrush Commanders under powerlines for a living then and fancied myself as a
pretty good aircraft handler. My ego matched the job description and I really
thought I was ready for my ME check ride right after the instructor showed me
how to start the engines.
My instructor was a "hotrod" kid, Jim Oswald, (who now flies for a Major
airline) who would spend the next 5.3 hours trying to kill me in this
airplane. Jim was my age but had gone a different rout in flying. He had
already accrued a bizillion hours in twins as a freight dog.
In your flying career you will have a few events that will become etched
in you mind between the pleasant blur of hours in the air. Things like the
first time you put on real ice in a non deiced airplane, your first
groundloop and for me, hour number two of my ME training.
We had just finished lunch/ground school/debrief from my firs flight.
After one hour of dual I was now cretin that I was ready for the check ride,
easy to fly around on one engine 2000 feet AGL, what's the big deal??
We taxied our, did the run up and I started the TO. Just about the time
I eased the yoke back to rotate, Jim Mixture cut the right engine. About
1.75 seconds later he cut the other engine and saved the airplane. It was
the wildest thing I had done in a flying machine! He had the airplane and
the now silent Baron coasted to an intersection and quietly onto a taxiway to
a halt, (Jim had obviously done this a few times before )!!
I sat in the airplane with my palms sweating and my head spinning. It
was the very first time I could remember being a "passenger" in the "pilot
seat"
Jim never said a word, he didn't need to, "message transmitted, message
received" This airplane is a cold hearted S.O.B. and it will hurt you. I was
properly humbled and from then on I had to use a step ladder to drain the
sumps on the Baron
We spent the next 4 hours really flying that airplane including a landing
with the left engine caged. If you have never actually landed with one dead,
you might get another surprise at just how mush adverse yaw the windilling
engine will create, but I suppose you can just be told about that.
You see, I am from the old school and still think instructors should
instruct. Isn't that why we hire an expert to teach us? To show us what to
do (and what not to do)?? To show us what might happen if we become
complacent. To allow us to experience the "real deal." I can read all about
adverse yaw and VMC speeds with out paying an instructor, I want to Learn how
to deal with these possibilities. If you don't learn this now, with a
qualified instructor by your side, what chance do you think you have learning
it on that 90 degree day on that 2300 foot strip. Or do you just assume that
the engine will never quit near the ground, or suddenly, of at rotation??
And if it does, you will just "figure it out"??
I am a firm believer in simulators and the training they afford, but like
someone else posted, if there is no simulator, are we to then just accept
mediocre training and book learning or park the airplane and buy one that is
supported by a sim??
Did Jim's engine cut demonstration teach my a new flying technique??
Nope. Did it make me a better pilot?? Absolutely!! I remember that event
vividly and on EVERY T.O. I plan for that event. It made me consider every
T.O. as a potential emergency and I REALLY know what happens when one
"swarms" at rotation, not what the book says, not what my instructor told me
happens, what really happens, do you?
In the 2300 foot, 90 degree illustration it would ad a level of
understanding that might cause the "hard trained" guy to decide not to go
just then, or at least to use extra caution.
I would not have missed my staggering around on one engine, close to the
ground "hard training" for anything. I also wouldnt subject a geared engine
to this, as someone said, "trash someone else's airplane".
Thanks for letting me vent. I really am done now and wont say one more
word on this subject. Thanks again Al an all of you for the great dialog we
can have. We can agree to disagree on some things but one thing is for sure,
we all love the Greatest Twin ever made!! VIVA LA COMMANDER!! jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | NICE FLIGHT, IGUANAS??? |
In a message dated 6/19/01 11:07:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CloudCraft
writes:
<<
<< Stayed low, (5500 ft) cause I had an Iguana (yep, I said Iguana) riding
on this trip and worry about there ears >>
OK. You owe us an explanation. >>
OK, OK..........
Yep, Al had it right. I might be a red neck Commander pilot. I do
occasionally fly with an Iguana as my copilot. They actually make a pretty
good one. They never talk back (Never) They don't whine about the food or
the hours and they are not "stick hogs" (or any other hog for that matter,
they are iguanas)
Sue and I have a couple of old iguanas (10 years) Our male, TC, (no,
believe it or not it doesn't stand for Twin Commander) is about 5.5 feet long
and weighs 12 pounds. We also have a female, Puff usually smaller than TC
but she is currently with eggs. (anybody want a baby iguana or three????)
TC commutes with Rocky (Our Schnauzer) and I in the Commander each week
from SEA and seems to do OK but I worry about his ears, although it never
seems to bother him?? Anyway, I stay a little lower. He just sits on the
rear bench and looks out the window.
Kinda reminds you or Noah's ark?? jb
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
Richard,
I'd love a copy of 680E stuff!!!
Barry
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: NICE FLIGHT, IGUANAS??? |
Anyway, I stay a little lower. He just sits on the
> rear bench and looks out the window.
> Kinda reminds you or Noah's ark?? jb
Oh how I wish I could make the fly-in....you guys are *unreal*!!!!! I
though I had heard it all when a friend of mine told me abou the time he
forgot he had his dog (bassett hound) in the back seat of his CJ-6A (tandem,
9 cyl. radial, Chinese AF trainer) and pulled 4 G's in the overhead break!!!
Dog doesn't fly anymore.....
Barry
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| From: | Bruce A. Campbell <baruch(at)IntelligentFlight.com> |
While were at it, the 520 manual is a masterpiece of brevity (13
typewritten pages), lacking any hint of performance info, take-off
distances, climb rates, power settings, etc.
The 560 manual has some of this stuff. Does anyone have a feeling for
whether it would be representative of a 520's perf, or do I need to do
the test pilot thing and produce test data myself as a first order of
business?
If not the 560, is the 500S or 680 similar in performance? (I know that
the engines on the 500S are direct drive, so I would expect differences
there, but the power is similar to the GO 435, then again the props are
different too...)
BTW, nothing quite as satisfying as a lively debate on something
important, eh?
Bruce A. Campbell
N4186B
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| From: | AOPA ePilot Newsletter <aopa_news(at)aopa.org> |
| Subject: | AOPA ePilot -- Vol. 3, Issue 25 |
AOPA ePilot--Vol. 3, Issue 25
Departments
Inside AOPA
On Capitol Hill
Airport Support Network
ASF News
Quiz Me!
2001 Bonanza
Sweepstakes
ePilot Calendar
Weekend Weather
GlaStar kit production to resume under new flag
Paris Air Show: Dassault announces FNX jet
Women racers ready for adventure
FAA report supports AOPA on runway safety
Volume 3, Issue 25
June 22, 2001
GA News
MOONEY CLEARS THE AIR ON ITS FINANCIAL STATUS
In a statement to ePilot this week, Mike McConnell, Mooney Aircraft's
senior vice president of strategic planning, adamantly denied rumors that his
company is on the verge of filing for bankruptcy protection. Over the past
few weeks some had portrayed the Kerrville, Texas, company as being both broke
and bloated with excess inventory. "Just to be crystal clear: We are not planning
to halt production or working to avert Chapter 11 [bankruptcy] proceedings.
We absolutely have not held those discussions internally." Mooney officials
said they have been organizing the company to be profitable over the next year
to "hedge against softer market conditions" and have decided to reduce outputby
40 percent compared to the past two yearsto improve its sales and service
support networks. Mooney plans to produce about 70 airplanes this year, down
from 100 units last year. "As a result of this effort, residual aircraft values
should remain
GLASTAR KIT PRODUCTION TO RESUME UNDER NEW FLAG
Thomas W. Wathen, who ended months of legal wrangling in bankruptcy
court when he bought the assets to the Glasair kitplane line, is once again in
the buying mode with his latest: the GlaStar assets. "After the purchase of
the Glasair assets, it quickly became evident to us that the overhead necessary
to operate the business would be better spread over more than one product line,"
said Mikael Via, chief operating officer of New GlaStar LLC and New Glasair
LLC. Wathen said his companies have placed top priority on shipping parts to
grounded builders. He bought the assets from Arlington Aircraft Development
Inc., which once had a licensing agreement with the now-bankrupt Stoddard-Hamilton
Aircraft Inc. More than 800 of the high-wing GlaStar aircraft have been sold
since 1995. See the
PARIS AIR SHOW: DASSAULT ANNOUNCES FNX JET
Dassault Aviation announced at the Paris Air Show last week that it
was launching a new business "tri-jet" called the FNX, capable of flying as far
as 5,700 nautical miles and at cruise speeds in the range of 0.85 Mach. This
fills the niche between Dassault Falcon Jet's Falcon 2000 and the 6,500-nm global
business jets (the Bombardier Global Express and Gulfstream's G-V and G-VSP).
Engines have yet to be selected. The FNX will have fly-by-wire controls.
First flight of the FNX is set for 2004. For more Paris Air Show coverage, see
AOPA Online.
WOMEN RACERS READY FOR ADVENTURE
The twenty-fifth annual Air Race Classic, an all-women coast-to-coast
air race, starts in San Diego next Tuesday. You can follow along with our own
Elizabeth A. Tennyson, managing editor of AOPA Flight Training magazine, as
she posts daily dispatches about the race on AOPA Online. She will be flying
a Cessna 182RG along with pilot Gretchen Jahn. The race is scheduled to end in
Batavia, Ohio, on June 29. See AOPA Online.
WORLD AIR GAMES GET UNDER WAY
The opening ceremony for the World Air Games 2001 commences tomorrow
in southern Spain. More than 5,000 air athletes and officials from 80 countries
will compete in the Olympic-style event in sports ranging from formation skydiving
to glider aerobatics. This is the second year the event has taken place.
The closing ceremony will be on July 1. To follow the competition, see the
Web site.
NTSB GIVES NOTICE OF FINAL GA CRASH REPORTS
The NTSB has added a new feature to its Web site to let the public
know when final general aviation accident reports are nearing completion. The
pending reports will be listed by accident number, date, location, and aircraft
registration number. See the Web site.
CLARIFICATION: Contrary to what was reported last week in ePilot, Jerry
Michael Warren was alone when the Cessna 150 he was flying became entangled
in high-voltage wires.
For daily news updates, see AOPA Online.
Inside AOPA
FAA REPORT SUPPORTS AOPA ON RUNWAY SAFETY
The FAA released Wednesday a report that proves what AOPA has been
saying for some time, "that the majority of runway incursions are minor, particularly
those involving general aviation aircraft." The study, which looked at
the years 1997 through 2000, also showed that the number of runway incursions
among aircraft operations is proportional to the activity levelsGA represents
60 percent of the incursions and nearly 60 percent of all aircraft operations.
For the first time the FAA report categorized the severity of runway incursions,
something that AOPA has been calling for in order to develop appropriate
responses to the problem. Next week AOPA President Phil Boyer will testify before
Congress, saying that "education, rather than expensive technology is the
best means to prevent runway incursions for GA." AOPA
AOPA OBJECTS TO FAA HIGH-ALTITUDE PLAN
AOPA has objected to an FAA plan to accelerate domestic reduced vertical
separation minima (DRVSM). The plan could cost owners of turbine aircraft
as much as $300,000 in testing and modification if they want to continue flying
above Flight Level 290 over the United States. In order to increase system
capacity, the FAA wants to reduce vertical separation between aircraft from 2,000
feet to 1,000 feet above 29,000 feet. (2,000 feet is used today at high altitudes
because of the inaccuracy of conventional altimeter systems.) While the
FAA wants to change the standards by 2004, AOPA wants the agency to stick to
a phased introduction plan that would start DRVSM above FL350 in 2004, then
add the lower altitudes at a later date. See AOPA Online.
AOPA, SPORTY'S TEAM UP ON LEARN TO FLY CAMPAIGN
AOPA and Sporty's Pilot Shop are again sending some 2,000 free "Learn
to Fly Here!" highway directional signs to flight schools nationwide to mark
the way to local flight training. "When we sent this same sign a few years ago,
it was such a success at boosting flight training that we decided to send
it again," said Sporty's Chairman Hal Shevers, who also operates a flight school
at Sporty's home base airport in Batavia, Ohio, and is this year's Be A Pilot
program chairman. "We know from our own experience that these signs really
can help boost a school's business." The reflective, white-on-green metal signs
are traffic sign quality for durable mounting on standard signposts. The design
also features the silhouette of a general aviation aircraft to help define
the concept of flight training. The signs were sent to all flight schools registered
with the Be A Pilot program. For more, see here to update.
On Capitol Hill
HOUSE FUNDING BILL INCLUDES AOPA INPUT
The House Appropriations Committee approved Wednesday the annual funding
bill for the Department of Transportation for the 2002 fiscal year that
begins on October 1. The bill that recommends $13.3 billion for the FAA includes
input by AOPA, such as a provision to retain the language prohibiting the funding
of work on unauthorized user fees. Programs key to general aviation that
are currently set to receive funding include: OASIS ($33.9 million), the program
designed to modernize flight service stations; Safe Flight 21 ($35 million),
a program that will evaluate several GPS-based solutions to help reduce controlled
flight into terrain accidents, runway incursions, and midair collisions;
Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS, $76 million) and the Local Area Augmentation
System (LAAS, $42.45 million), which enhance the accuracy of current GPS
signals; and notams ($
Airport Support Network
ASN WORKS TO SAVE NATION'S AIRPORTS
What would you do if your airport closed tomorrow? Every day 925 AOPA
Airport Support Network volunteers work with AOPA headquarters on a local level
to help save their airports. That's a lot, but not enough. Ask yourself these
questions: Has my flying been affected by development, new restrictions,
or negative public relations about my local airport? Have local issues or political
pressures affected my use and the efficiency of my local airport? If the
answer is "yes" to either question, you may be just the kind of person we're
looking for to help ensure the health and availability of your airport.
ASN is looking for volunteers at several airports in California, including
O32, O88, SDM, IZA, MIT, TVL, SVE, and O15.
To learn more about the Airport Support Network, visit AOPA Online.
AOPA Air Safety Foundation News
ASF, JEPP LAUNCH ONLINE CFI REFRESHER COURSE
A fast-paced, highly interactive certificated flight instructor refresher
course that allows a CFI to renew his or her FAA teaching certificate without
leaving home is now available online. The innovative 16-hour course, a
cooperative effort of the AOPA Air Safety Foundation and Jeppesen Sanderson Inc.,
is FAA-approved and may be used to renew all valid and current FAA flight
instructor certificates and ratings. (Flight instructor certificates, unlike other
pilot certificates, expire every two years.) In addition, the new $149 course
allows chief instructors for FAA-approved flight schools to renew their designations
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Commander list update |
Morning all.
I just received official word that Microsoft is going to eliminate
the listbot service. Listbot will be shut down August 20th. Our
Commander forum seems to be very popular and many of you have
expressed appreciation for it's existance. I will attempt to either
find a suitable replacement service or will set up my own list server
over the next 60 days. I'll do my best to ensure an easy transition
for all the list members.
More info as I figure out what to do...
Chris Schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 520 Perf data |
In a message dated 6/21/01 11:36:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
baruch(at)IntelligentFlight.com writes:
<<
While were at it, the 520 manual is a masterpiece of brevity (13
typewritten pages), lacking any hint of performance info, take-off
distances, climb rates, power settings, etc. >>
HI BRUCE.........
I talked to Richard Thompson from Oz yesterday and he told me that
the Aussies rewrite all the flight manuals on airplanes shipped there. He
said in most cases they are more accurate (less optimistic) than the US
version. If any 520s made it over there, Their FAA may have a good manual
available?? Richard is on this list so he may reply jb
PS Richard and his lovely bride will be attending the flyin. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Woodley Earthlink <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 520 Perf data |
My POH, is a brilliant piece of sales literature. Remember back then I
don;t believe that there was anything even romotely called POH.
I will see what I can drag up, I have all the documents on my AC560 with GO
480's, but if I remember all my performance stuff, "PoH" and relating
documents are in my plane.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Odum" <calnet01(at)gte.net>
To: "Bruce A. Campbell"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: 520 Perf data
>
>
> Bruce and all.
>
> There are some great articles on AVWEB and in the EAA magazine on the
> methodology required to gather performance data on any aircraft. These
> procedures are quite intensive and require good math skills while flying.
> Most people use digital movie cameras and record instrument readings and
> coclpit lever settings. This way you can do the math at home.
>
> I will see if I can get electronic copies of the EAA stuff from Earl
> Lawrence and get them out to you.
>
> If we all make a concerted effort TOGETHER we could break out requirements
> into sections and everyone could take a crack at a certain part. This way
we
> can assemble our own performance data based on the current condition of
our
> aircraft NOT USING PERFECT TEST PILOT TECHNIQUES and assemble real world
> data.
>
> Give me some feedback gentlemen and ladies. This is what the TCFG is all
> about.
>
> Being an ex-test pilot I know this is asking alot. It will take a
concerted
> effort on everyones parts. OH - by the way - we all fly different aircraft
> so each group of model owners will need to assemble a team to develop
> numbers for each aircraft !
>
> Paul Odum
>
>
> "Bruce A. Campbell" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > While were at it, the 520 manual is a masterpiece of brevity (13
> > typewritten pages), lacking any hint of performance info, take-off
> > distances, climb rates, power settings, etc.
> >
> > The 560 manual has some of this stuff. Does anyone have a feeling for
> > whether it would be representative of a 520's perf, or do I need to do
> > the test pilot thing and produce test data myself as a first order of
> > business?
> >
> > If not the 560, is the 500S or 680 similar in performance? (I know that
> > the engines on the 500S are direct drive, so I would expect differences
> > there, but the power is similar to the GO 435, then again the props are
> > different too...)
> >
> > BTW, nothing quite as satisfying as a lively debate on something
> > important, eh?
> >
> > Bruce A. Campbell
> > N4186B
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Reynolds, Rich <Rich.Reynolds(at)UNIFORM.ARAMARK.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Actual article - May 1955 |
Very well put......
Rich Reynolds
I.T. Development Staff - ext. 3633
rich.reynolds(at)uniform.aramark.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Nico van Niekerk [SMTP:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com]
> Sent:
Friday, June 22, 2001 1:11 PM
> To:
jagdip(at)iwon.com; Markota, Dorothy
> Cc:
Cook, Betsy; Lew, Sandra; Andrea Bent; Betty Tlanda; Carolyn & Bill;
> Cheryl Cook; Danni Meyer; David Larkin; Gross, Meredith; Jane & Boo; Kathy
> & Scott; Kopy, Martha; Lois Driscoll; Margo Sundy; Paula Gomez; Potter,
> Tammy; Robert Nolen; Robyn Tarrant; Ron Stein; Sayegh, Pat; Siebler,
> Barbara; Bill & Diane Cook; Bob Cook, Jr.; Terry Cook; Uncle Bob & Aunt
> Peg; Arnold, Harry; Cappuccilli, Mark; Doran, Kathy; Nicassio, Philip;
> Park, Greg; Porter, Carrie; Reynolds, Rich; Smith, Warren; Tepper,
> Belinda; Schmidt, Patricia; Carol Burks; Larry Gaines; Nancy - home; Baba,
> Mary
> Subject:
Re: Actual article - May 1955
>
> No, it does not mean "all wives should..." I never said ALL wives. There
> are
> wives who couldn't care a hoot about other people. There are wives who
> will
> take care of their working husbands but not in the sense of the 1955
> article. And there will always be wives who will take care of their
> working
> (or not working) husbands regardless of circumstance or consequence.
> If it were in my demeanor to take up a job as homemaker, I would take damn
> good care of the one who brings in the cash, that I assure you. But it may
> sound a bit materialistic, so if I know that my wife, if she is the bread
> winner, gets in contact with attractive men all day and she has to come
> home
> at night to deal with me and the kids, I assure you I would follow a lot
> of
> the advise in that article. I would make damn sure she gets so much sex
> and
> love that she would not want to look at those hunks out there. I would
> make
> sure that I remain her hunk and not p... her off unnecessarily, especially
> not just because I feel neglected. She would be pampered and pleased
> because of her I have my job. But alas, now I am the bread winner.
> I would not want a wife that is submissive at all times. Kinda takes the
> fun
> out of the relationship. I am undisputedly the head of the household but
> it
> does not mean that my wife is a subject of mine, which is where I disagree
> with the 1955 approach. It is not good practice to consider your opinion
> less important as someone else's. She is a partner and fulfills an office
> that I cannot or would not want to fulfill. That's why it works.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jagdip at iwon.com <jagdip(at)iwon.com>
> To: Markota, Dorothy ; 'Nico van
> Niekerk'
> Cc: Cook, Betsy ; Lew, Sandra
> ; Andrea Bent
> ;
> Betty Tlanda ; Carolyn & Bill ;
> Cheryl Cook ; Danni Meyer ; David
> Larkin
> ; Gross, Meredith
> ; Jane & Boo ; Kathy
> &
> Scott ; Kopy, Martha ;
> Lois Driscoll ; Margo Sundy ;
> Paula Gomez ; Potter, Tammy
> ; Robert Nolen ;
> Robyn
> Tarrant ; Ron Stein
> ;
> Sayegh, Pat ; Siebler, Barbara
> ; Bill &am
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:40 PM
> Subject: RE: Actual article - May 1955
>
>
> This means - what you are saying is
>
> "all wifes should take care of working husbands - if they are house wives
> - like the good old days !!!!"
>
> I am sure if men stayed home, they may be taking - good care of their "
> working women ".
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> >
> > Like Betsy said, "Dream on, guys!".
> >
> > The men should be taking care of us working women so well, huh?
> >
> >Dorothy Markota
> >Aramark Uniform Services
> >EDI and Reporting Project Manager
> >(818) 973-3665 Fax: (818) 973-3796
> >dorothy.markota(at)uniform.aramark.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nico van Niekerk [mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com]
> >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:05 AM
> >To: Cook, Betsy; Andrea Bent; Betty Tlanda; Carolyn & Bill; Cheryl Cook;
> >Danni Meyer; David Larkin; Gross, Meredith; Jane & Boo; Jay Mehta; Kathy
> >& Scott; Kopy, Martha; Lois Driscoll; Margo Sundy; Paula Gomez; Potter,
> >Tammy; Robert Nolen; Robyn Tarrant; Ron Stein; Sayegh, Pat; Siebler,
> >Barbara; Bill & Diane Cook; Bob Cook, Jr.; Terry Cook; Uncle Bob & Aunt
> >Peg; Arnold, Harry; Cappuccilli, 14; Doran, Kathy; Nicassio, Philip;
> >Park, Greg; Porter, Carrie; Reynolds, Rich; Smith, Warren; Tepper,
> >Belinda; Schmidt, Patricia; Carol Burks; Larry Gaines; Nancy - home;
> >Baba, Mary; Lew, Sandra; Markota, Dorothy
> >Subject: Re: Actual article - May 1955
> >
> >
> >Aaah, the good old times. Pity it went by before I could enjoy it.
> >Nico
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Cook, Betsy <betsy.cook(at)uniform.aramark.com>
> >To: Andrea Bent ; Betty Tlanda
> >; Carolyn & Bill ; Cheryl Cook
> >; Danni Meyer ; David Larkin
> >; Gross, Meredith
> >; Jane & Boo ; Jay
> >Mehta ; Kathy & Scott ; Kopy, Martha
> >; Lois Driscoll ;
> Margo
> >Sundy ; Paula Gomez ;
> >Potter, Tammy ; Robert Nolen
> >; Robyn Tarrant ; Ron
> Stein
> >; Sayegh, Pat ;
> >Siebler, Barbara ; Bill & Diane Cook
> >; Bob Cook, Jr. >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:02 AM
> >Subject: FW: Actual article - May 1955
> >
> >
> >> Dream on, guys!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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> Visit http://www.iwon.com now and start earning iWon Cash Points today!
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Crunkleton <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi Guys,
I finally got back on line after firing my ISP. Gee, I had to go over an entire
week without one RNCP joke.
One other thing, does anyone know the preferred method of attaching the black mudflap
with the shiny silhouette nude to a 520 Commander gear?
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Crunkleton <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
Rodd,
hmmm.......not a bad idea!
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Brown <pawpaw1(at)starband.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 520 Perf data |
GREAT idea Paul!
That will get everyone real numbers
Rich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Odum" <calnet01(at)gte.net>
To: "Bruce A. Campbell"
Cc:
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: 520 Perf data
>
>
> Bruce and all.
>
> There are some great articles on AVWEB and in the EAA magazine on the
> methodology required to gather performance data on any aircraft. These
> procedures are quite intensive and require good math skills while flying.
> Most people use digital movie cameras and record instrument readings and
> coclpit lever settings. This way you can do the math at home.
>
> I will see if I can get electronic copies of the EAA stuff from Earl
> Lawrence and get them out to you.
>
> If we all make a concerted effort TOGETHER we could break out requirements
> into sections and everyone could take a crack at a certain part. This way
we
> can assemble our own performance data based on the current condition of
our
> aircraft NOT USING PERFECT TEST PILOT TECHNIQUES and assemble real world
> data.
>
> Give me some feedback gentlemen and ladies. This is what the TCFG is all
> about.
>
> Being an ex-test pilot I know this is asking alot. It will take a
concerted
> effort on everyones parts. OH - by the way - we all fly different aircraft
> so each group of model owners will need to assemble a team to develop
> numbers for each aircraft !
>
> Paul Odum
>
>
> "Bruce A. Campbell" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > While were at it, the 520 manual is a masterpiece of brevity (13
> > typewritten pages), lacking any hint of performance info, take-off
> > distances, climb rates, power settings, etc.
> >
> > The 560 manual has some of this stuff. Does anyone have a feeling for
> > whether it would be representative of a 520's perf, or do I need to do
> > the test pilot thing and produce test data myself as a first order of
> > business?
> >
> > If not the 560, is the 500S or 680 similar in performance? (I know that
> > the engines on the 500S are direct drive, so I would expect differences
> > there, but the power is similar to the GO 435, then again the props are
> > different too...)
> >
> > BTW, nothing quite as satisfying as a lively debate on something
> > important, eh?
> >
> > Bruce A. Campbell
> > N4186B
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Commander web site and chatlist update |
Commander friends (and RNCP's too),
I have been studying the options to migrate the chatlist off of listbot
(since they are closing). I've been unimpressed wtih the options so
far.
Most of the other facilities (including the higher-priced services) are
cumbersom to use and (in my opinion) leave much to be desired from a
privacy
standpoint. Don't know about y'all, but I just hate having to provide a
bunch of personal information to get signed up for a service. I get
plenty
of spam, junk mail, and telemarketers as is without giving my life
history
away to microsoft etal.
Question for you: anyone have any comments about the current web site
connectivity? Do you have any problems accessing the web site?
I am currently running aerocommander.com on a mid-range pentium server
with
a 100baseT connection to a Cisco router connected to the internet with a
full dedicated T1. I've not heard any complaints, so have not upgraded
the
connection in a long time. (I'm currently paying $1400/month for the T1
already). I am considering adding a secure email server to the same box
just for the Commander chatlist. At least this way, I can assure
absolute
security and privacy for my fellow Commander nuts. The only real
disadvantage
I can see is that the signup/remove operation would be a manual
operation
for me at this time. People would have to send me a subscribe request
email
and then I'd add them by hand. We have a significant base of long-term
subscribers, but we also get about a dozen subscribe/unsubscribes a week
-
probably just from folks wondering what we are...
Anyway, I'm continuing to search for options. I'm not in favor of a BBS
style interface. I've watched that type of forum fail entirely for
other
type groups as it eliminates the "interactivness" of the group.
Will keep everyone informed as I figure out what to do about the list,
but
I DO intend to keep things going as long as YOU continue to appreciate
and enjoy the chatlist.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander web site and chatlist update |
Not only do I appreciate the list, but the chattering of the members is
a great source of hangar talk. So, if you can keep it going, it would be
great. Before you decide to shut it down, yell for help; there may be a lot
of resources in the group that can keep the list going.
Look at the chat section of AOPA. It is not friendly because of its size
and when one posts a message or two in different sections, it is hard to
find it again to respond to replies. I mean I have around 2,000 unread
messages which are not addressed to me! That's useless and I don't go there
anymore. Maybe I should tell them.
The access times have never been a problem. The T1 you have should be
more than ample to handle the calls. (You can get a T1 for around a grand
now if you shop around.)
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: Commander web site and chatlist update
>
>
> Commander friends (and RNCP's too),
> I have been studying the options to migrate the chatlist off of listbot
> (since they are closing). I've been unimpressed wtih the options so
> far.
> Most of the other facilities (including the higher-priced services) are
> cumbersom to use and (in my opinion) leave much to be desired from a
> privacy
> standpoint. Don't know about y'all, but I just hate having to provide a
> bunch of personal information to get signed up for a service. I get
> plenty
> of spam, junk mail, and telemarketers as is without giving my life
> history
> away to microsoft etal.
> Question for you: anyone have any comments about the current web site
> connectivity? Do you have any problems accessing the web site?
> I am currently running aerocommander.com on a mid-range pentium server
> with
> a 100baseT connection to a Cisco router connected to the internet with a
> full dedicated T1. I've not heard any complaints, so have not upgraded
> the
> connection in a long time. (I'm currently paying $1400/month for the T1
> already). I am considering adding a secure email server to the same box
> just for the Commander chatlist. At least this way, I can assure
> absolute
> security and privacy for my fellow Commander nuts. The only real
> disadvantage
> I can see is that the signup/remove operation would be a manual
> operation
> for me at this time. People would have to send me a subscribe request
> email
> and then I'd add them by hand. We have a significant base of long-term
> subscribers, but we also get about a dozen subscribe/unsubscribes a week
> -
> probably just from folks wondering what we are...
>
> Anyway, I'm continuing to search for options. I'm not in favor of a BBS
> style interface. I've watched that type of forum fail entirely for
> other
> type groups as it eliminates the "interactivness" of the group.
> Will keep everyone informed as I figure out what to do about the list,
> but
> I DO intend to keep things going as long as YOU continue to appreciate
> and enjoy the chatlist.
>
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander web site and chatlist update |
In a message dated 06/23/01 14:48:28 Pacific Daylight Time,
chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com writes:
> I DO intend to keep things going as long as YOU continue to appreciate
> and enjoy the chatlist.
Chris,
As I've said before, you're a saint. (That would be St. Christopher, now the
patron saint of Aero Commanders. It's a promotion.)
Having been with the Twin Commander Flight Group since its beginning, I get
to say that the email reflector is absolutely one of the best things to ever
happen for the Group ... right up there with Capt. Jimbob.
I hope it can continue. Would a small dontation from each of us help? I
don't own a Twin Commander, but I'd toss a few drakmars towards keeping this
list alive. I believe it's that valuable!
What about the rest of us?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander web site and chatlist update |
Up to this time I have been participating in the email exchanges for free. Is there
a subscription fee that I have been missing? Because if there is, I would
like to pay my dues.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
To: chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Cc: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander web site and chatlist update
1. Fill in the brief application
2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds
In a message dated 06/23/01 14:48:28 Pacific Daylight Time,
chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com writes:
I DO intend to keep things going as long as YOU continue to appreciate
and enjoy the chatlist.
Chris,
As I've said before, you're a saint. (That would be St. Christopher, now the
patron saint of Aero Commanders. It's a promotion.)
Having been with the Twin Commander Flight Group since its beginning, I get
to say that the email reflector is absolutely one of the best things to ever
happen for the Group ... right up there with Capt. Jimbob.
I hope it can continue. Would a small dontation from each of us help? I
don't own a Twin Commander, but I'd toss a few drakmars towards keeping this
list alive. I believe it's that valuable!
What about the rest of us?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce A. Campbell <baruch(at)IntelligentFlight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander web site and chatlist update |
The list is very appreciated. I have a sparcstation 5 serving
IntelligentFlight.com and would be happy to give you superuser access and
anything else necessary if you wish, but it probably isn't as fast as your
pentium. At any event, it seems to me performace isn't an issue for a mail
list.
I second the nomination for canonisation. The best part would be the medals
are already in the gift shop!
Bruce A. Campbell
N4186B
Chris Schuermann wrote:
>
>
> Commander friends (and RNCP's too),
> I have been studying the options to migrate the chatlist off of listbot
> (since they are closing). I've been unimpressed wtih the options so
> far.
> Most of the other facilities (including the higher-priced services) are
> cumbersom to use and (in my opinion) leave much to be desired from a
> privacy
> standpoint. Don't know about y'all, but I just hate having to provide a
> bunch of personal information to get signed up for a service. I get
> plenty
> of spam, junk mail, and telemarketers as is without giving my life
> history
> away to microsoft etal.
> Question for you: anyone have any comments about the current web site
> connectivity? Do you have any problems accessing the web site?
> I am currently running aerocommander.com on a mid-range pentium server
> with
> a 100baseT connection to a Cisco router connected to the internet with a
> full dedicated T1. I've not heard any complaints, so have not upgraded
> the
> connection in a long time. (I'm currently paying $1400/month for the T1
> already). I am considering adding a secure email server to the same box
> just for the Commander chatlist. At least this way, I can assure
> absolute
> security and privacy for my fellow Commander nuts. The only real
> disadvantage
> I can see is that the signup/remove operation would be a manual
> operation
> for me at this time. People would have to send me a subscribe request
> email
> and then I'd add them by hand. We have a significant base of long-term
> subscribers, but we also get about a dozen subscribe/unsubscribes a week
> -
> probably just from folks wondering what we are...
>
> Anyway, I'm continuing to search for options. I'm not in favor of a BBS
> style interface. I've watched that type of forum fail entirely for
> other
> type groups as it eliminates the "interactivness" of the group.
> Will keep everyone informed as I figure out what to do about the list,
> but
> I DO intend to keep things going as long as YOU continue to appreciate
> and enjoy the chatlist.
>
> Chris
>
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| From: | Mark Woodley <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander web site and chatlist update |
Solution.
99% of all ISP's provide space on the server.
Use a basic web interface and HTML code along with some CGI scripts which
can be gotten anyplace for free, to set up a basic sign in sheet.
Also, Microsoft Outlook, Outlook express, and Exchange provide ADDRESS
BOOKS. You can create your own distribution list. Not a hard thing to do.
It is not like this group has millions of folks to keep track of and the
list does not change much, and only gets added to. If someones e-mail
address changes make them responsible to update the CGI, or sign in sheet.
Forgive my blatent voice in this but SCREW the folks like Microsoft and list
services, all they do is take your e-mail addresses, and send to to places
who spam you with unwanted e-mail.
I would have everyone reply directly to one or 2 adress, and add them to a
seperate address book. This can be all kept simply and easily.
There are so many possibilities, it would take me hours to elaborate on them
all.
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
Hey guys (do we have any 'gals' here???).
I'm humbled by the emails I've received since the update yesterday.
Thanks for all the kind and supportive words!
I truely appreciate all the offers to assist in so many different
ways. Your feedback has given me the incentive to get my butt in
gear and make sure this forum continues to be freely available to
all Commander enthusiasts. At this time, I'm not happy with any
of the alternative services that I've reviewed, so will probably
go ahead and create my own listbot-like service. After reading
all the email waiting for me this morning, it also occured
to me that I need to make sure the list and web site will be able
to continue should something ever happen to me. Once I get the
new list-server online, I'm going to burn a CDROM of the web site
and mail server system and send it to Capt Jimbob. Everything
is currently backed up nightly on 4mm DAT tape and stored in a
bank vault, but I've not arranged for someone else to take it over
should the need arise.
Thanks again to everyone!
Chris Schuermann
ps: Keith - might want to hold up on that sainthood until I
actually get something to work :-) Since I live in Oklahoma is
that going to make me a "redneck patron saint" ?
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
"RPS" Chris,
Look at http://mucows.tucows.com/win2k/mailserver2k.html
There is a lot of mail server software out there.
What do you think of Yahoo Groups, Topica.com as free services?
Like a lot of others on this list, I get a lot out of this chat. There is a
lot of good information exchanged.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com [mailto:chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:44 AM
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Subject: WOW!
Hey guys (do we have any 'gals' here???).
I'm humbled by the emails I've received since the update yesterday.
Thanks for all the kind and supportive words!
I truely appreciate all the offers to assist in so many different
ways. Your feedback has given me the incentive to get my butt in
gear and make sure this forum continues to be freely available to
all Commander enthusiasts. At this time, I'm not happy with any
of the alternative services that I've reviewed, so will probably
go ahead and create my own listbot-like service. After reading
all the email waiting for me this morning, it also occured
to me that I need to make sure the list and web site will be able
to continue should something ever happen to me. Once I get the
new list-server online, I'm going to burn a CDROM of the web site
and mail server system and send it to Capt Jimbob. Everything
is currently backed up nightly on 4mm DAT tape and stored in a
bank vault, but I've not arranged for someone else to take it over
should the need arise.
Thanks again to everyone!
Chris Schuermann
ps: Keith - might want to hold up on that sainthood until I
actually get something to work :-) Since I live in Oklahoma is
that going to make me a "redneck patron saint" ?
________________________________________________________________________________
Long day yesterday,
Gary Gadberry brought N414C down to Gulfport and spent the entire day going over
it with mechanic.
Flew an hour to altitude to check pressurization then took Gary home to Chatanooga
and brought the plane back to Gulfport. Put it in the hangar about 2AM. Gary
is one hell of a nice guy.
Lots of squaks to work off and lots of training to do for the transition.
Keith you were right it loves to suck up runway and climbs like a Pig. Your numbers
from the flight log were pretty accurate. At max gross @ 18,000, 33", 2650
rpm, 100 deg rich of peak burnt 284lbs/hr. estimated TAS was about 195. Its
a lot different from the 560 but at least it has a real flight manual.
Today I'm waiting for a call from Big Al hes supposed to be nearby house hunting
and promised to stop by so I could rub Lucilles ------. He needs to take his
laptop with him It gets kind of boring going several days without his comments.
If I can get adequate transition training in the 685 in time and Big All and I
can get off from work we plan on coming to the fly in. We may stop and get Blake
on the way. (Jimbo well let you know as soon as we know)
Anyone heard of or dealt with recurrent training center in Savoy Illinois ?
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| From: | Arizphys(at)aol.com <Arizphys(at)aol.com> |
Yep.....you do have at least one gal here. I enjoy reading all of your posts!
Kristina Huffman
Mesa, AZ
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 06/24/01 06:43:46 Pacific Daylight Time,
chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com writes:
> ps: Keith - might want to hold up on that sainthood until I
> actually get something to work :-) Since I live in Oklahoma is
> that going to make me a "redneck patron saint" ?
>
Yup.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 06/24/01 07:26:51 Pacific Daylight Time,
mdcmd@ms-online.com writes:
> Gary Gadberry brought N414C down to Gulfport and spent the entire day going
> over it with mechanic.
> Flew an hour to altitude to check pressurization then took Gary home to
> Chatanooga and brought the plane back to Gulfport. Put it in the hangar
> about 2AM.
>
Put it in the hangar at 02:00? This sound very much like the words of a man
who just bought an airplane.
Congratulations! Now the fun begins ....
~Wing Commander Gordon~
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS............
I am slowly working on getting triple 2 IFR ready. I just bought a new
GPS (King Skymap 111C) I love it!! Now this is an HSI. I am planing to by
a procedures trainer for my computer. I am looking at one now that offers a
baron 58 as one of the airplanes to train with. The whole thing is about
$350 and seems to really work well. Any suggestions?? jb
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> I am slowly working on getting triple 2 IFR ready. I just bought a new
> GPS (King Skymap 111C)
Nifty looking piece of hardware JB. Just curious - if you're shooting
for
IFR capability, why didn't you go with an ifr gps?
FYI, Garmin has a free simulator for their 400/500 series products which
is
mighty impressive.
chris
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
I've decided to add something new to the web site to get
a bit more action going on - THE COMMANDER OF THE MONTH...
Here's the scoop:
Email one or two of your favorite pictures (preferably at least
one with YOU with your Commander). Please use jpeg format if at
all possible. Write a short piece about yourself and your bird.
Email to me (chris@c2-tech.com). I know we've got a LOT of
owners on the list now. Here's your chance to become famous and
respected by your peers. :-)
Chris
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| From: | ctro(at)att.net <ctro(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | recurrent training center |
In response to Milt's question about Recurrent Training
Center - I attended several years ago for a Navajo
Chieftain because they said it was insurance approved,
and it was, but I don't know how. I got an instructor
who had never even seen a Navajo. We did some Frasca sim
training for 2 days - 4 hours each - then had me do a
workbook on the airplane. I already had 700 hours in
type and started asking some deep questions on systems
about qwerks, etc. but he couldn't answer them. The sim
was set us as a Seminole or something and nothing was
said about turbos or higher performance cabin class
twins.
A bright spot was the owner of the place was an air
traffic control guy for CHAMPAIGNE APPROACH. He had some
good insight into the pilot - controller relationship
that you can only find from a pilot-controller. He also
had some videos that he made on radar and weather that
were ok.
Would I go back for anything? NO. All I feel that I
gained from the 3 days was a brush up on my basic
instrument skills (which I could have done much more
inexpensively at the local university's sim). Some
videos can be obtained from Sporty's along the same
lines and would probably be more professional.
Would/Could I recommend them for insurance requirements
or to learn anything about your airplane? NO
My personal opinion is to get a good IPC from a good
instructor in your airplane (no engine snatchin'). Talk
over systems,weather, and your instrumentation. If you
need basic brush up, find an Elite sim (desktop sim-can
be approved for dual with the right setup) and use a
nice cabin class twin setup, train for engine care,
systems, emergencies, failures, etc., then go to your
plane.
Anyone else been to this place?
Regards
Clark
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| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Ozzie Flight manuals |
Hi all,
I will endeavour to get hold of copies of fligt manuals for the following
models.
500A,500B,500U,500S,560E,680,680E,680F,680FL,680FLP,685.
Sir Barry kindly sent me a list of the commanders sent to OZ. I am busy
tracking the above ones down.
I will give JB copies of all the manuals I get hold of for his records.
Regards,
Richard
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | ANOTHER NICE FLIGHT |
HI KIDS..................
Well, What a great ride home today (nothing like commuting to and
from work in a Commander) I left BFI and headed north to Arlington for a
quick stop at TCAC. Had a brief chat with Jeff, Pierre and Ken Moulson from
Aero Air. We talked a bit about SB214 and I think I will change my letter to
the FAA regarding that action. It sounds like they are really finding major
problems with the airplanes that have been looked at. It is a mute point
really as the FAA made it clear to me that they are going to issue an AD.
Left there and flew to Roach Harbor. Sue and I are looking around at
some options to retire on an airport and it cant get better than Roach. A
beautiful view of the bay looking across a 3300 foot strip (narrow and
obstructed, but plenty good for a commander) The approach to the East is over
the Harbor and quant marina/town. To the West, it is pretty downhill and
over the trees on final. Got stooped in 1/2 the length (gota love those
Clevelands)!
Looked at the house that was available and then Rocky and I walked into
town and had a burger on the dock. Greet view of the marina. I had been
there in the float plane before as well. Neat place.
Blasted out of there (after a starter problem ???) and straight home 209
sm. What a difference a little heading change can make. The course from
Roach took me a lot farther west than usual, and I started 50 miles farther
north as well. This trip is down the East slope of the Olympic range.
These are 7500 ft high, snow capped peaks that look like baby Alps. Lots
of vertical rise!! Beautiful!! I see them all the time on the biplane rides
but from always from a distance. Today I was right over them (7500 feet and
the Iguana seemed OK??)
It was a great clear day and SEA and Tacoma passed well to the East.
There are a million islands that make up the San Juan chain and they were all
out there today. What a great view. Those coming to the Flyin will get to
see this for yourself. Fjords and little marinas and towns dot the endless
shoreline with the Cascade Mountains far to the East.
I was monitoring 122.9 along the way and was able to chat with some of my
seaplane buddies driving Beavers and Turbo Otters into downtown SEA.
Right over the top of Olympia, the state capitol and on to MT St. Helen
and home.
The first 15 minutes were on top of a low overcast that became broken and
the scattered, what a hoot blasting around the cloud tops!
My new GPS worked great and I love it. Had a little headwind, abut
190mph cruse.
It was a great trip (except for the starter??) and they had just mowed
the grass where I park, I just love the way a Commander looks parked on the
grass, dont you!
Anyway, it was a great weekend, hope yours was as well. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Sharp <sharp.r(at)apple.com> |
| Subject: | Re: two cents on ME training |
Very good write-up Dave!
(You actually sound like one of my old USAF instructors!)
The military flies many types of complex aircraft, (imagine a 22 year old
young man sitting behind one of those sticks), in order to avoid
overwhelming mishaps the training has to be very stringent, dedicated,
and encompassing... This is done for a very good reason; safety.
If you look at a typical dash 1 (The instructions used for each
individual type aircraft),
you'll find 4 major areas common to every aircraft which are found in the
emergency section.
1. MAINTAIN AIRCRAFT CONTROL
(fly the aircraft, this is primary in ALL cases)
2. ANALYZE THE SITUATION
(you must know the systems to be able to do this, simulator training,
troubleshooting,
basic airman knowledge etc)
3. TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION (bold face ITEMS, these are a set of critical,
memorized, specific, sequence of steps taken). You must know these by
rote memory with no hesitations-this is more related to complex systems)
(I still brief - "no fast hands in the cockpit")
4. REFER TO CHECKLIST (as time permits, cleanup items, alternate course
of actions etc).
I have found that these 4 line items work just about anywhere and are not
just for the USAF.
Each area can be subdivided into appropriate sections for discussions,
training, confidence building drills, hanger talk scenarios, systems
knowledge lesson plans, preflight discussions, profile regiments (ie your
mission), recurrency training etc...
You can almost build a complete ME course just by using these 4 simple
statements.
Maybe the next time you search out for ME training try to see if these 4
areas are included in the training syllabus, it might just be worth the
money.
Regards,
>Gentlemen,
>
>I have had the unique opportunity to transition many new ME pilots into
>high performance twins, as a instructor pilot/checkairman for a major Part
>135 Cargo operation.
>
>We flew Barons, Aerostars and Chieftons. I also own an geared Twin
>Commander and have a good amount of time in various radial engines (which
>are treated much the same as our geared Lycs.) I continue to do high
>performance twin checkouts and training to supplement my meager existence
>flying CRJs.
>
>I don't intend to sound like an expert here, because I learn something new
>everday I fly. The day I stop learning will be the day something really
>bad happens.....
>
>There were several weak areas common to most of the pilots I had to
>opportunity to transition.
>
>1. Basic instrument skills. Anyone flying a high performance twin should
>be a competent instrument pilot. Bottom line. One of the toughest items
>I needed to drill out of most people was that at the end of an instrument
>approach we LAND! Most CFII's spend a great deal of time on the missed
>approach, that's fine, but the one of the most critical phases is the
>transition in a high performance twin from instrument to visual reference,
>on course, on speed and configured for landing. Landing from the circle,
>descent to MDA, on and on...high performance twins all have their unique
>set of limitations that need to be respected, turbos, geared engines, etc.
> The workload under instrument conditions, to minimums ups the stress
>exponentially. We did all of our training under night, IFR real world
>conditions (icing, turbulence, t-storms, you name it).
>
>2. Single-engine operations. Mixtures, props, throttles, identify,
>verify, feather. Where did all this troubleshooting come in? Flight
>instructors. The good and bad about flying piston twins in cargo is that
>you get some real good practice in malfunctions. I have yet to have an
>engine quit without me being real sure about which one. Most failures are
>dramatic, unless it is a precautionary shutdown. My point is FLY THE
>AIRPLANE. As soon as the engine is caged, leave well enough alone. Sure
>if a fire is present there are specific actions that you need to take care
>of like shutting of fluids, etc., but I was never at a loss of amazement
>when our new pilots would be so busy "troubleshooting" that they would
>loose control of the airplane. (Remember, I train in real world conditions)
>
>3. Profiles. Those of us who fly for a living (i.e.-someone else's
>airplane) fly by very specific profiles. Those profiles are there for a
>reason. To get you into the air, or to the runway at the appropriate
>speed, configuration -- safely! You would be amazed how you can hit the
>marker in an Aerostar at 250kts, and land in 200 and 1/2 on speed if you
>follow a profile. Workload is decreased, and your attention is directed
>to flying the aircraft. I train everyone I fly with in a twin to follow
>very specific profiles and procedures, just like they were their own 135
>operation. I require all profiles and procedures for any given make or
>model of aircraft to be memorized PRIOR to ever leaving the ground with a
>student. I don't work cheap, and the effort spent here saves big bucks.
>
>4. Basic airman knowledge. If your limitations are not memorized, and
>emergency procedures (kill items) are not memorized and heaven forbid, if
>you cannot do a blindfold check of your cockpit, you are not ready to
>transition. Again back to instrument skills (yes, even if you fly VFR
>most of the time). I often find that it is not the stick and rudder
>issues that get people killed, it is the "distractions". Letting ATC fly
>the airplane, not being able to quickly set up for the approach, etc. One
>thing leads to another.
>
>Well, now you all see why I often don't speak up too often. I get way too
>wordy. I think if I go on any longer, I may be banned for life from all
>further discussions! I have some definite opinions on how ME training
>should go. I welcome comments, criticism and suggestions. My goal here
>is to help, not preach..I am not worthy :-).
>
>I am happy to have the opportunity to lend my two cents.....I will now
>duck...
>
>Regards,
>David Costa
>airshow(at)earthlink.net
>614-336-8211
________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________
Major Randy "Laser" Sharp ANG/USAF, MEII-A/H
The ultimate vertical Flight experience.
HH-60G...PaveHawk "The Jolly Green Giants"
129TH RQS "RESCUE SERVICE"; Fly Safe!
AC-500B Twin Commander "N6367U"
"-within the hearts of all who fly, lives
the child who once stood at the gate to their future-"
________ ________ ________ ________ ________ ________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Guess WHO?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
Big Al,
Are you ready for your check ride??
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Reed [mailto:allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:01 PM
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Subject: rncp
Guess WHO?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Gang,Had to cancel ride for tommorrow.My schedule and Clark's got all
out of wack so no fine tuning.DE has agreed to work me in at any time I feel
that I'm ready,which I hope is soon.Bought house in PNS and will be moving
soon,but if every thing works right,will be at the Flying with my soon-to-be
new neighbor Uncle Milty.Best to ALL! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 6/26/01 9:01:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com writes:
<< will be at the Flying with my soon-to-be
new neighbor Uncle Milty.Best to ALL! AL >>
HEY AL, Cant wait to meet you!! be safe. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Big Al,
You BETTER make it to the flyin! I haven't suffered your emails for all
these months for nothing! ;-)
Plus, I want to meet a REAL RNCP. Us California surfer-pilots have never
seen one, dude....
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:00 PM
Subject: ride
>
>
> Hey Gang,Had to cancel ride for tommorrow.My schedule and Clark's got all
> out of wack so no fine tuning.DE has agreed to work me in at any time I
feel
> that I'm ready,which I hope is soon.Bought house in PNS and will be moving
> soon,but if every thing works right,will be at the Flying with my
soon-to-be
> new neighbor Uncle Milty.Best to ALL! AL
>
>
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
Gents,
What happens when a guy flies his warbird in to the TCFG fly-in because his partner
is taking the Aero Commander on vacation after the event?
Barry Hancock
FNG
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
The suspense is killing me! What's the knee technique?
Barry
> Does anybody use the knee-technique in identifying a dead engine? Aw, I am
> sure you all know it well.
> Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
In a message dated 06/27/01 00:08:12 Pacific Daylight Time,
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net writes:
> What happens when a guy flies his warbird in to the TCFG fly-in because his
>
Of course, we'll have to call a meeting of the ethics committee, the
Standards and Practices committee and the Confederacy of RNCPs, but under the
circumstances, I'm sure you'll breeze right through the process.
Just don't show up wearing a green nomex flight suit just because you're in a
war bird.
However, boxers or briefs? Your call.
Wing Commander Gordon
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AL
We were beginning to wonder if maybe some yankees kidnapped you in
Pensacola and were holding you for ransom. We collected 37cents and 2 used
condoms to bail you out. How did the house hunting go?
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: rncp
>
>
> Guess WHO?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Let me be perfectly clear about one thing! Uncle Milty (as Milton Berle was
known) is rumored to have liked little boys and was Liberaces best friend. I
AM NOT AT ALL LIKE UNCLE MILTY even though the whole world calls everyone
named Milt that.
I definately prefer aerocommanders and girls.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:00 PM
Subject: ride
>
>
> Hey Gang,Had to cancel ride for tommorrow.My schedule and Clark's got all
> out of wack so no fine tuning.DE has agreed to work me in at any time I
feel
> that I'm ready,which I hope is soon.Bought house in PNS and will be moving
> soon,but if every thing works right,will be at the Flying with my
soon-to-be
> new neighbor Uncle Milty.Best to ALL! AL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
We immediately suspect that you are a voyeur and really dont fly a commander.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:16 AM
Subject: fly-in apparel
Gents,
What happens when a guy flies his warbird in to the TCFG fly-in because his partner
is taking the Aero Commander on vacation after the event?
Barry Hancock
FNG
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| From: | Ricardo A. Otaola <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
Hi Gnag:
I have got the check list for the 680F, as well as the maintenance manual,
and the ops manual. Anyone???
Pls send the exact location of the Fly-in as I am trying to see if I can go.
It will take about 3-4 days to get there. Also, I have not decided to go through
Central America-Mexico, California, Oregon, or just go from FLA, all the
way up to Oregon, I will take advice on stop overs.
Thanks
Ricardo A. Otaola
Gerente General
Newcom Venezuela
582-9934234 / 0904
rotaola(at)newcomamericas.net
www.newcomamericas.net
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Milt,I'll give you a call tonight on the phone.By the way;haven't heard
any mention about how many student nurse FLIGHT ATTENDENTS we will be
using.Just trying to figure out how much grocery money I'll need. Have a
great one! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
> "Ricardo A. Otaola" wrote:
> Pls send the exact location of the Fly-in
Ricardo,
I have some info on the flyin on the web site:
http://www.aerocommander.com
Looking forward to seeing you there!
Chris
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| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | TWO PLANES, WIFE SAYS ONE MUST GO. (not the Commander) |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Woodley Earthlink <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
This is by far one of the BEST uses of Jumbo jets EVER.
http://milehighclub.com/virgin.html
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| From: | Mark Woodley Earthlink <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | MHCO, rules, and regulations |
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Federal Aviation Administration
14 CFR Part 61
(Docket No. 75487345, Notice No. 95-523040306)
----
REGULATION OF MILE HIGH CLUB OPERATIONS
ACTION: Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM)
SUMMARY: This notice proposes to require additional qualifications and
testing before a certificated pilot may engage or continue to engage in Mile
High Club Operations (MHCO) while also exercising the privileges of a pilot
certificate.
DATES: Comments should be received before December 31, 1999.
ADDRESSES: Comments may be mailed or delivered in sextuplicate to: Federal
Aviation Administration, Office of Chief Counsel, Attention: Rules Docket
(AGC-204), Docket No. 75487345, 800 Independence Avenue SW, Washington DC
20591. Comments may be examined in the Rules Docket weekdays, except Federal
holidays, between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m.
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:
Need for Rulemaking
Under the provisions of the East Chitlin Switch, Kansas, Wheat Silo
Subsidy Act (P.L. 100-872398-A), Congress has mandated the FAA to regulate
the activities of the formerly unregulated Mile High Club (MHC). Under
present rules, anything accomplished at an altitude of one statute mile
(5,280 feet) above ground level (AGL), regardless of the degree of
difficulty or the level of expertise demanded, earns a certificated pilot a
scroll illustrated by Milton Caniff and a three-color bumper sticker.
Through a procedure of self-regulation, the organization has set forth
requirements that activities take place at an altitude of at least 5,280
feet above ground level to prevent Denver pilots from messing around on the
ramp. Although the organization has adopted rigid admission requirements for
its pilot members, a recent National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
report disclosed an accident in a light training aircraft (LTA) caused by
pilot error in the form of disorientation of a student pilot (sex unknown)
after the Certified Flight Instructor (CFI) (sex unknown) attempted to
introduce the student to a maneuver not included in the MHC syllabus.
Similarly, the crash of a corporate-owned Learjet in western Pennsylvania
was thought to have been caused by the absence of the crew from the cockpit
at the time the aircraft arrived in Pittsburgh. Further, evidence suggests
that some hitherto unexplained accidents may have been due to pilot fatigue
following Mile High Club Operations (MHCO) activities. These accidents have
amply demonstrated that there is a compelling need for regulation of MHCO
activities for the protection of the public and property under the flight
paths of such aircraft.
The FAA is proposing to expand the scope of Part 61 of the FARs by the
addition of paragraphs 61.300 through 61.305 to prohibit the propositioning
of any occupant of a certificated aircraft by any licensed and current pilot
who has not first demonstrated the ability to execute the duties of
pilot-in-command and/or co-pilot to the satisfaction of an Operations
Inspector or a designated Pilot Examiner. It is further proposed to
establish minimum experience, age, and skill levels for the issuance of MHCO
ratings to pilots' certificates. To ensure that a satisfactory level of
proficiency is maintained by certificated pilots possessing MHCO ratings, it
is proposed that biennial proficiency reviews be mandated.
Environmental Impact Statement
The adoption of these regulations is not anticipated to have a significant
impact upon the environment including an impact upon population pressures.
Economic Impact Statement
The proposed rules would not materially impact the economics of MHCO
activities, including those conducted for hire under Part 135.
Definitions
For the purposes of this NPRM, the following Definitions are established:
PILOT: An applicant for or possessor of a MHCO rating regardless of sex,
creed, color, political affiliation, proclivities, or physical dimensions.
CO-PILOT: Any person regardless of sex, creed, color, political
affiliation, proclivities, or physical dimensions assisting a certificated,
MHCO-rated pilot in carrying out MHCO activities.
PASSENGER: Any reliable witness to an MHCO flight test who does not
actively participate.
FLIGHT ENGINEER: Anyone other than a co-pilot who assists the pilot in
establishing the proper conditions for accomplishing the minimum
requirements of MHCO activities.
AIRCRAFT: Any vehicle aloft suitable for MHCO activities. Does not include
automobiles or parachutists falling from high places.
GLIDER: Anyone performing an MHCO activity entirely in mid-air such as
during the free-fall period of a parachute jump.
HANG GLIDER: Glider with above-average equipment.
SOLO FLIGHT: A practice session where the pilot is the sole manipulator of
the controls.
DUAL FLIGHT: An MHCO activity during which the pilot uses both hands.
AUTOPILOT AUTHORIZATION: An authorization from the FAA permitting someone
else to do it for a shy pilot.
The Proposed Rule
For reasons set forth above, the FAA is proposing to amend Part 61 of the
Federal Aviation Regulations as follows:
PART 61 - [AMENDED]
1. The authority citation for Part 61 continues to read as follows:
Authority: Secs. 313(a), 314, 601, 602, Federal Aviation Act of 1958, 49
U.S.C. 1354(a), 1355, 1421, 1422; sec. 6(c), Department of Transportation
Act, 49 U.S.S. 1655(2), unless otherwise noted.
2. Section 61 would be amended by adding the following:
61.300 An applicant for a Mile High Club Operations (MHCO) rating on a
pilot certificate must meet the following minimum qualifications:
(a) The applicant must have reached his/her fifteenth birthday or possess
a deep voice.
(b) The applicant must present a high school diploma or equivalent
indicating a grade of Failing or better, or a notarized statement proving
the applicant has compromised at least one substitute teacher.
61.301 An applicant for an MHCO rating must pass a written examination on
the following applicable aviation subjects:
(a) Care, operation, a periodic maintenance of articulating seats in
certificated U.S. civil aircraft.
(b) Basic anatomy and other considerations in selecting a co-pilot.
(c) Dangers associated with the destruction of aircraft panel instruments
by bare feet.
61.302 An applicant for an MHCO rating will be tested on the following
maneuvers:
(a) Takeoffs. Applicant will prepare the co-pilot for MHCO activities.
(b) Stalls. Applicant will demonstrate any acceptable and workable method
of delay maneuvering to avoid premature results.
(c) Approaches. Applicant will demonstrate at least six (6) precision or
three (3) non-precision approaches to a co-pilot who does not suspect the
purpose of the flight.
(d) Soft Field Landings. Applicant will show proficiency in selecting
procedures to be utilized under soft conditions.
(e) Short Field Landings. Applicant will show proficiency in utilizing the
proper procedures under short conditions.
(f) Forced Landings. Applicant will accomplish the minimum MHCO activities
despite co-pilot's objections.
(g) On-pylon Eights. Applicant will select two prominent landmarks and
maneuver between them. If the co-pilot is not endowed with sufficiently
prominent landmarks, the activity may be performed in a flight simulator
approved by the Administrator.
(h) In-flight Emergencies. Applicant will conduct a suitable approach with
the zipper jammed in the "up" position and will demonstrate the smooth
emergency extension of gear before contact.
(i) Holding Patterns. The Applicant will show proficiency in covering all
points of interest with only two hands.
(j) Radio Navigation. Applicant will insert the radial into the
omnibearing selector and achieve station passage before the "off" flag
appears.
(k) Back Course Approach. Not an approved procedure.
(l) Diverting to an Alternate. Applicant will make an approach to a
passenger when it becomes obvious that the original destination has gone
below minimums because of a cold front.
(m) Maneuvering with an Inoperative Engine. Self explanatory.
(n) Weather Recognition. Applicant will readily identify cold fronts and
warm fronts with the cockpit lights inoperative.
(o)Lost Communications Procedures. Applicant will show proficiency in
blocking the co-pilot's voice channel using a broad-band antenna with great
frequency.
61.303 Proficiency Review.
(a) No person may conduct MHCO activities unless, within the preceding 24
months, that person has --
1.. Accomplished a proficiency review given to him, in an aircraft for
which the person is rated, by an appropriately certificated flight
instructor or other person designated by the Administrator who possesses a
valid MHCO Inspection Authorization.
2.. Had his/her log book endorsed by the person conducting the review
certifying that the person has satisfactorily accomplished all the required
activities of the review.
3.. However, a person who has, within the preceding 24 months,
satisfactorily completed an MHCO proficiency check conducted by the FAA or
otherwise been satisfactorily screwed by the FAA need not accomplish the
flight review required by this section.
61.304 General Experience. No person may engage in MHCO activities as
pilot-in-command of an aircraft carrying passengers, nor of an aircraft
certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember unless
within the preceding 90 days that person has satisfactorily carried out MHCO
activities and has made suitable log book entries attesting the fact. This
requirement does not apply to persons holding an airline transport pilot
certificate or to activities conducted while operating under part 135 of
this chapter.
61.305 Instrument Experience. No person may engage in MHCO activities
unless, during the preceding 6 months, that person has conducted MHCO
operations in the immediate vicinity of cold fronts and successfully logged
at least 6 hours under actual or simulated IFR conditions which involved at
least six approaches.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
Of course, we'll have to call a meeting of the ethics committee, the
Standards and Practices committee and the Confederacy of RNCPs, but under the
circumstances, I'm sure you'll breeze right through the process.
Phew! OK, I'll buy the beer.
Just don't show up wearing a green nomex flight suit just because you're in a
war bird.
Hey, mister, you try flying a 40 yr. old, round engine, bird with the fuel pump
mere inches from the exhaust stacks and just a couple feet from your toes. Do
I think it looks cool? No, I wear an ugly green nomex flight suit because it
might one day save my life. But then again, I sit in the left seat of the Commander
and reach for my parachute straps...
I'll just taxi to the far side of the field and take my flightsuit off before I
get out of the airplane, if that'll make you feel better.
However, boxers or briefs? Your call.
I'm a boxer-breif kinda guy. But thanks for the "descretion" call. :)
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
In a message dated 06/27/01 08:52:10 Pacific Daylight Time,
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net writes:
> I'm a boxer-breif kinda guy. But thanks for the "descretion" call.
I knew the green nomex flight suit thing would get ya!
OK, you'll be the guy walking across the ramp in green nomex boxer-briefs,
carrying beer. I'm sure you'll have no trouble gaining access to the Fly-In.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
I dug out my 33 year old Marine Corps nomex flight suit and found it had shrunk
so much that I couldn,t even get 1 leg into it. Thats probably good because my
wife said i'd be as attractive in it as I would a Speedo bathing suit. I just
dont understand how a dry flight suit could shrink like that. Im certainly no
bigger than 30 years ago. In any case being a redneck Al and I will probably
wear bib overalls.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Cc: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: fly-in apparel
Of course, we'll have to call a meeting of the ethics committee, the
Standards and Practices committee and the Confederacy of RNCPs, but under the
circumstances, I'm sure you'll breeze right through the process.
Phew! OK, I'll buy the beer.
Just don't show up wearing a green nomex flight suit just because you're in a
war bird.
Hey, mister, you try flying a 40 yr. old, round engine, bird with the fuel pump
mere inches from the exhaust stacks and just a couple feet from your toes.
Do I think it looks cool? No, I wear an ugly green nomex flight suit because
it might one day save my life. But then again, I sit in the left seat of the
Commander and reach for my parachute straps...
I'll just taxi to the far side of the field and take my flightsuit off before
I get out of the airplane, if that'll make you feel better.
However, boxers or briefs? Your call.
I'm a boxer-breif kinda guy. But thanks for the "descretion" call. :)
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
Barry,
What do we look for you in when you arrive?
Warbird aircraft Type?
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:bdogltd(at)pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:52 AM
To: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Cc: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Subject: Re: fly-in apparel
_____
_____
Of course, we'll have to call a meeting of the ethics committee, the
Standards and Practices committee and the Confederacy of RNCPs, but under
the
circumstances, I'm sure you'll breeze right through the process.
Phew! OK, I'll buy the beer.
Just don't show up wearing a green nomex flight suit just because you're in
a
war bird.
Hey, mister, you try flying a 40 yr. old, round engine, bird with the fuel
pump mere inches from the exhaust stacks and just a couple feet from your
toes. Do I think it looks cool? No, I wear an ugly green nomex flight suit
because it might one day save my life. But then again, I sit in the left
seat of the Commander and reach for my parachute straps...
I'll just taxi to the far side of the field and take my flightsuit off
before I get out of the airplane, if that'll make you feel better.
However, boxers or briefs? Your call.
I'm a boxer-breif kinda guy. But thanks for the "descretion" call. :)
Barry
_____
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
OK, you'll be the guy walking across the ramp in green nomex boxer-briefs,
carrying beer. I'm sure you'll have no trouble gaining access to the Fly-In.
Nah, my nomex boxer-breifs are *dark blue*!
What's the preferred brew of the RNCP?
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
Barry,
What do we look for you in when you arrive?
A green nomex flight suit!
Warbird aircraft Type?
Oooooh, that. A Yak-3U. Wait, sorry, that's what it wants to be when it grows
up (and daddy has LOTS of money to burn!). It's a Nanchang CJ-6A.
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Knee technique |
Thanks, Nico. Sounds like a great IFR tool...
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
To: "Barry Hancock"
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:21 AM
Subject: Knee technique
> Hi Barry,
> I responded already to the list about it, but here it is again.
> Thanks,
> Nico
>
> Well, it's very simple and designed to identify the dead engine without
> rational thought (which means automatic action) and allow the pilot to
> maintain control of the airplane. When an engine quits, just keep the
plane
> straight and the knee that comes up is the dead engine. You don't think
but
> automatically keep the plane straight, pull the power lever on the motor
> that's on the side of the 'up' knee to positively identify and then
feather.
> A very safe two-step process done in less than five seconds. With practice
a
> pilot can focus on other things while doing this. To test proficiency,
ask
> the pilot to add from 1 to 20 while performing this procedure. Better
would
> be to read out the airspeed at one-second intervals. This forces the
pilot
> to focus on something else while identifying and feathering the dead
motor.
> If the pilot has to interpret the ball on the turn-and-bank to identify
the
> dead engine precious time and attitude is lost. Not only has the plane
> already started to roll into the dead engine, but rough whether can
confuse
> the pilot causing the live engine to be feathered instead or control lost
> completely. If that happens, and there is altitude, the only remedy is to
> throttle back on
> both engines, stabilize and start again. If not, well then it's sad.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net>
> To: Nico van Niekerk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: enough
>
>
> > The suspense is killing me! What's the knee technique?
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > > Does anybody use the knee-technique in identifying a dead engine? Aw,
I
> am
> > > sure you all know it well.
> > > Nico
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
Guys,
If you are worried about it Barry and I will fly the RF-104 up. Forgoet
that Commander crap ! 350 KTS in the break and you are handled.
Paul
P51PAUL
Tylor Hall wrote:
>
> Barry,
>
> What do we look for you in when you arrive?
>
> Warbird aircraft Type?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> tylorh(at)sound.net
>
> 913-422-8869
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Hancock [mailto:bdogltd(at)pacbell.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> Cc: tcfg(at)listbot.com
> Subject: Re: fly-in apparel
>
> Of course, we'll have to call a meeting of the ethics committee, the
>
> Standards and Practices committee and the Confederacy of RNCPs, but
> under the
> circumstances, I'm sure you'll breeze right through the process.
>
> Phew! OK, I'll buy the beer.
>
> Just don't show up wearing a green nomex flight suit just because
> you're in a
> war bird.
>
> Hey, mister, you try flying a 40 yr. old, round engine, bird with the
> fuel pump mere inches from the exhaust stacks and just a couple feet
> from your toes. Do I think it looks cool? No, I wear an ugly green
> nomex flight suit because it might one day save my life. But then
> again, I sit in the left seat of the Commander and reach for my
> parachute straps...
>
> I'll just taxi to the far side of the field and take my flightsuit off
> before I get out of the airplane, if that'll make you feel better.
>
> However, boxers or briefs? Your call.
>
> I'm a boxer-breif kinda guy. But thanks for the "descretion" call.
> :)
>
> Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Sharp <sharp.r(at)apple.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nomex protection |
mdcmd@ms-online.com said:
>I dug out my 33 year old Marine Corps nomex flight suit and found it had
>shrunk so much that I couldn,t even get 1 leg into it. Thats probably good
>because my wife said i'd be as attractive in it as I would a Speedo
>bathing suit. I just dont understand how a dry flight suit could shrink
>like that. Im certainly no bigger than 30 years ago. In any case being a
>redneck Al and I will probably wear bib overalls.
>Milt
Hi Milt,
Just to let you know that nomex protection does have a limitation.
If the flight suit has been washed excessively or is of old material then
the protection will not be very helpful in a fire. (flash fire protection
etc)
If you can hold it up to the light and see right thru it (very little
tint) then I would say that for personal protection it would be better
for you to wear a cotton overall.
I have some old flight suits that I finally put in the garbage for just
that reason.
The life of the garment is subject to how well it has been maintained and
the age of the material.
Might want to read the fine print on the label if it's still intact.
Unless of course you are just using it for looks and really don't care
about the protection.
Randy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: nomex protection |
Guys,
If you wash a nomex flight suit one time they are no good - they aren't much
good anyway if you have a real fire in the cockpit.
I fly Phantom II's and an CF-104 (I always say RF-104 for some reason) a few
times a week. I get my flight suits retreated after every wash.
By the way - I have some Size 36 brand new flight suits if anyone is
interested. I'll let them go for $60.00 each.
P51PAUL
Randy Sharp wrote:
>
>
> mdcmd@ms-online.com said:
>
> >I dug out my 33 year old Marine Corps nomex flight suit and found it had
> >shrunk so much that I couldn,t even get 1 leg into it. Thats probably good
> >because my wife said i'd be as attractive in it as I would a Speedo
> >bathing suit. I just dont understand how a dry flight suit could shrink
> >like that. Im certainly no bigger than 30 years ago. In any case being a
> >redneck Al and I will probably wear bib overalls.
> >Milt
>
> Hi Milt,
>
> Just to let you know that nomex protection does have a limitation.
> If the flight suit has been washed excessively or is of old material then
> the protection will not be very helpful in a fire. (flash fire protection
> etc)
>
> If you can hold it up to the light and see right thru it (very little
> tint) then I would say that for personal protection it would be better
> for you to wear a cotton overall.
>
> I have some old flight suits that I finally put in the garbage for just
> that reason.
> The life of the garment is subject to how well it has been maintained and
> the age of the material.
>
> Might want to read the fine print on the label if it's still intact.
> Unless of course you are just using it for looks and really don't care
> about the protection.
> Randy
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: nomex protection |
>
> If you wash a nomex flight suit one time they are no good - they aren't
much
> good anyway if you have a real fire in the cockpit.
>
All I'm asking for is a few seconds so I can get the heck out of the cockpit
without 3rd degree burns...if I have a real fire in the cockpit, I've waited
too long to bail!
But I digress...the real question is what type of beers do RNCP drink! We
SDCP's like Corona's and other wussie beers you can put limes in....
Barry (2 beers to the first guy to figure out SDCP) Hancock
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 06/27/01 13:34:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net writes:
>
> Barry (2 beers to the first guy to figure out SDCP) Hancock
>
Surfer Dude Commander Pilot
(or, SouthernCalifornia Dude Comander Pilot)
You might be a SDCP if you go to the fly-in BBQ and expect to be served a
tofu burger.
Did I win?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
> But I digress...the real question is what type of beers do RNCP drink! We
> SDCP's like Corona's and other wussie beers you can put limes in....
>
> Barry (2 beers to the first guy to figure out SDCP) Hancock
Suds-Drinkin' Commander Pilots?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fly-in apparel |
RNCP
WE DRINK RED WHITE AND BLUE.
$2.25 PER CASE.
ALSO, IT IS USED FOR FUEL.
STC'D BY MARCELL LEDBETTER.
DO YOU KNOW HIM?
HE WORKS FOR THE ATLANTA FSDO, AKA GADO.
COON HUNTS AT NIGHT AND BUST KA-200 PILOTS FOR ILLEGAL
PART 135. ORIGANALLY FROM CHATTANOOGA TENNESSEE.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If You think an over night tie-down is something those funny dressing
San-Francisco men do,you might be a RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If you are daring enough to put stops on your seat rails so that you can
slide far enough back to kiss your Ass goodby,you might be a RED NECKED
COMMANDER PILOT, AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If you have a magnetic sign advertising your lawn mowing business stuck on
your plane,you might be a RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If the field elevation of your airport is 615ft. and you are trying to
convence the local barmaid(whom you have talked into coming to your
hanger)that the reading opf 5,280ft. showing on the altimeter is RIGHT,you
might be a RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If you open the side vent window and the hair in your ears gets caught in
the prop,you might be a RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If you have a PINE scented tree hanging from you Vertical Card Compass,you
might be a RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: nomex protection |
South Dakota Commander Pilot?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net>
To: Twin Commander Flightgroup
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: nomex protection
>
>
> >
> > If you wash a nomex flight suit one time they are no good - they aren't
> much
> > good anyway if you have a real fire in the cockpit.
> >
>
> All I'm asking for is a few seconds so I can get the heck out of the
cockpit
> without 3rd degree burns...if I have a real fire in the cockpit, I've
waited
> too long to bail!
>
> But I digress...the real question is what type of beers do RNCP drink! We
> SDCP's like Corona's and other wussie beers you can put limes in....
>
> Barry (2 beers to the first guy to figure out SDCP) Hancock
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <thall5(at)kc.rr.com> |
Ricardo,
I just found an interesting web site for flight planning to go to the TCFG
fly in.
www.airnav.com <http://www.airnav.com/>
It only works with US airport identifiers, but once you get to the US, it
could help you find the lowest cost fuel.
I tried FXE to HIO. 2350 NM. Lowest fuel cost.
Check it out.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Max Schuermann <max(at)greencis.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Web Site |
Here's another pretty good site.
http://www.aeroplanner.com
Tylor Hall wrote:
> I just found an interesting web site for flight planning to go to the
> TCFG fly in.
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS...
I just got a nice message from TCFG member Bob Murdock from NY
requesting his registration form. Bob flies a really nice Shrike and is
planing on attending the Flyin, Are you?? Have you requested your reg. form.
If you have on, have you returned it?? Make you reservations soon at the
Best Western and I hope to see all of you, it will be a blast!!
Also, you will soon receive your copy of the TCAC magazine, Flight Levels.
On the cover is a small photo of Chris and Dans 560E, Dreamcatcher. Look
closely at the driver. It is a short, fat little guy from Washougal. We
have a nice spot inside as well advertising our flyin. Thanks to Jim and
Jeff and Mark Twombly for the help!!!!
See ya there! capt jimbob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: nomex protection |
Hi Nick,
YEP - I have about 60 hours in the CF-104 now and I am still SCARED STRAGHT
every time I get ready to fly the thing.
350 KTS in the break and 200 KTS on final. 160 KTS over the fence and hope the
boundary layer fans keep working until the wheels stop rolling !
Paul
Nico van Niekerk wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> The CF-104's are the Starfighters? (I'm new to the US so I apologize for a
> stupid question)
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net>
> To: Randy Sharp
> Cc: Twin Commander Flightgroup
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: nomex protection
>
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > If you wash a nomex flight suit one time they are no good - they aren't
> much
> > good anyway if you have a real fire in the cockpit.
> >
> > I fly Phantom II's and an CF-104 (I always say RF-104 for some reason) a
> few
> > times a week. I get my flight suits retreated after every wash.
> >
> > By the way - I have some Size 36 brand new flight suits if anyone is
> > interested. I'll let them go for $60.00 each.
> >
> > P51PAUL
> >
> > Randy Sharp wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > mdcmd@ms-online.com said:
> > >
> > > >I dug out my 33 year old Marine Corps nomex flight suit and found it
> had
> > > >shrunk so much that I couldn,t even get 1 leg into it. Thats probably
> good
> > > >because my wife said i'd be as attractive in it as I would a Speedo
> > > >bathing suit. I just dont understand how a dry flight suit could shrink
> > > >like that. Im certainly no bigger than 30 years ago. In any case being
> a
> > > >redneck Al and I will probably wear bib overalls.
> > > >Milt
> > >
> > > Hi Milt,
> > >
> > > Just to let you know that nomex protection does have a limitation.
> > > If the flight suit has been washed excessively or is of old material
> then
> > > the protection will not be very helpful in a fire. (flash fire
> protection
> > > etc)
> > >
> > > If you can hold it up to the light and see right thru it (very little
> > > tint) then I would say that for personal protection it would be better
> > > for you to wear a cotton overall.
> > >
> > > I have some old flight suits that I finally put in the garbage for just
> > > that reason.
> > > The life of the garment is subject to how well it has been maintained
> and
> > > the age of the material.
> > >
> > > Might want to read the fine print on the label if it's still intact.
> > > Unless of course you are just using it for looks and really don't care
> > > about the protection.
> > > Randy
> > >
> >
> >
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Alright WUSSIE boys; found my stash.Ya'll can put your limes,your
lemons,your olives,and your cherries in this and it's still gona' kick
ya'lls RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT wanna-bees Butts! That's right,I found my
JUG of 5yr. old NO LABEL,now it's time to find out what ya'lls service
ceiling is!SEE ya real soon. AL
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| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com> |
Speaking of Service Ceiling:
I was talking with my good friend and insured, Richard Collins of Flying
Magazine, today.
The topic of discussion was FAR 61.13 High Altitude requirements, (check
out.)
And the April 15, 1991 date. this date applies to tail wheel endorsements,
also.
Is there a Piston Commander, pressurized, with a Service Ceiling above
25,000?
How many of you guys Smoke? I think you know where I'm going with this...
Any pilots out there experienced rapid decompression?
Jerry S. if your out there sound off....You've flown 'em all...
Thanks Guys, your letters may make to Flying Magazine.
There's a lot of Great talent on this forum...Sound off.
Gary Tillman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
TILLMAN333(at)aol.com wrote:
> Is there a Piston Commander, pressurized, with a Service
Ceiling above
> 25,000?
> How many of you guys Smoke? I think you know where I'm going with this...
> Any pilots out there experienced rapid decompression?
Well, the 680FP/FLP I _think_ are, and I'm sure the 685 is...
My little brother had a R-D experience a few years back and ruptured
both eardrums. Was in considerable pain and off flight duty for some
time... The FAA has a decompression chamber in OKC which I understand
is available to any pilot.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
I was'nt talking about their planes!!!!! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | High Altitude Requirement |
In a message dated 06/28/01 18:33:20 Pacific Daylight Time,
TILLMAN333(at)aol.com writes:
> Is there a Piston Commander, pressurized, with a Service Ceiling above
> 25,000?
No.
Does that mean pilots of pressurized Commanders shouldn't get high altitude
training requried by 61.13?
No.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
Gentlemen and Lady,
Have any of you heard of a 400 h.p. engine conversion on the Commander 560F?
One of our list members is having one dangled in front of him and I've never
heard of such an STC.
That doesn't mean it can't or hasn't been done. I've just not heard of it.
Any out there have knowledge of this?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 400 hp AC-560F? |
Yes!
I love short answers.
MR RPM 400 HP conversion fits on 560F, 680F, and I think 500B's.
I will check it with Dick McCoon tomorrow.
I understand that with the short airframe, they can get with the program.
Dick is working on intercoolers for the MR RPM conversions that could add up
to 100 HP per side at altitude due to reduced inlet temperatures.
It is part of his turbo kit he is working on for the 500 B's.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com [mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:51 PM
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Subject: 400 hp AC-560F?
_____
1. Fill in the brief application
2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds
_____
Gentlemen and Lady,
Have any of you heard of a 400 h.p. engine conversion on the Commander 560F?
One of our list members is having one dangled in front of him and I've never
heard of such an STC.
That doesn't mean it can't or hasn't been done. I've just not heard of it.
Any out there have knowledge of this?
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Earthilnk Mail <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 400 hp AC-560F? |
Shame he does not have the same conversion for the straight 560..
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: CloudCraft(at)aol.com ; tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: 400 hp AC-560F?
Yes!
I love short answers.
MR RPM 400 HP conversion fits on 560F, 680F, and I think 500B's.
I will check it with Dick McCoon tomorrow.
I understand that with the short airframe, they can get with the program.
Dick is working on intercoolers for the MR RPM conversions that could add up
to 100 HP per side at altitude due to reduced inlet temperatures.
It is part of his turbo kit he is working on for the 500 B's.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com [mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:51 PM
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Subject: 400 hp AC-560F?
1. Fill in the brief application
2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds
Gentlemen and Lady,
Have any of you heard of a 400 h.p. engine conversion on the Commander 560F?
One of our list members is having one dangled in front of him and I've never
heard of such an STC.
That doesn't mean it can't or hasn't been done. I've just not heard of it.
Any out there have knowledge of this?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
So does FAR 61.13 apply if the service ceiling is exactly 25,000?
----- Original Message -----
From: <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com>
To: ;
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: rncp
>
>
> Speaking of Service Ceiling:
> I was talking with my good friend and insured, Richard Collins of Flying
> Magazine, today.
> The topic of discussion was FAR 61.13 High Altitude requirements,
(check
> out.)
> And the April 15, 1991 date. this date applies to tail wheel endorsements,
> also.
> Is there a Piston Commander, pressurized, with a Service Ceiling above
> 25,000?
> How many of you guys Smoke? I think you know where I'm going with this...
> Any pilots out there experienced rapid decompression?
> Jerry S. if your out there sound off....You've flown 'em all...
> Thanks Guys, your letters may make to Flying Magazine.
> There's a lot of Great talent on this forum...Sound off.
> Gary Tillman
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Well, I hope I am not totally off base here, if you don't mean the planes,
Al.
I was throwing parachuters out in South Africa, oh, maybe somewhere in the
mid-1970's in a C182 with the right hand door and back seats removed in the
dead of winter. My limited knowledge of the atmosphere tells me that the
atmosphere is contracted in winter time and my service ceiling ought to be
lower than what it would be in summer time.
The drop zone was about 100 miles south of Johannesburg at a stadium where a
local fair was being held and slap bang in the center of the airway in which
the airliners descended from the south. Now without prior permission this
would never have been possible but we had the permits and all the commercial
traffic were routed around us while we were climbing to the drop altitude of
14000'. When I reached altitude I had about 30 minutes to kill before these
poor saps were going to jump out of a perfectly functioning airplane, so I
timed my run-in so that I would let them out at the exact time the announcer
on the ground would direct the audience's attention skywards. I still had
time to kill after that so, I decided to check where my service ceiling
would be, I mean, while I was up there anyway. So I trimmed the Skylane's
nose down and pulled up on the stick so that if I pass out, the plane would
spontaneously drop its nose and I would recover. I remember that at 15300'
I became euphoric and my status reports to approach control at Jan Smuts
airport, as it was known back then, became more comical and the guy on the
ground knew what I was doing as I was horsing around more and more over the
radio. The last I remembered seeing was the alitimeter at 15600' and then I
passed out. I came to when the Skylane roared through 15000' at which time
the poor jumpers in the back also resurfaced and needless to say they were
not impressed that I completely forgot about them. I will not repeat what I
was called before they left.
They jumped as scheduled and I never heard from them again (needless to say,
their club never asked me again to fly for them! Go figure. Such
ingratitude!)
As a footnote: I did not realize that I had a slight cold and since there
was no slow descend after the drop was made because of pressure from the
airliners, I blocked up my Eustachian tubes so bad that a quack had to
intervene.
Anyway, that's my service ceiling at about -20C.
Nico
PS. Pity I cannot attend the fly-in. Next year, maybe?
N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:01 PM
Subject: rncp
>
>
> I was'nt talking about their planes!!!!! AL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 400 hp AC-560F? |
In a message dated 06/28/01 20:02:22 Pacific Daylight Time, tylorh(at)sound.net
writes:
>
Hi Tylor,
Yeah, I know Dick put his STC onto the 680 series and the Shrike. Never saw
one go onto a 560F ... not that it couldn't. Just wondering if the STC was
there, why it had never been done yet.
Market pressure finally put the price point to where it made sense?
The 500B conversion is actually the Merlyn conversion with the engine that
was fit onto the Piper Navajo series, done by Hugh Evans in Washington.
(Same guy doing the Orenda engine fit on the King Air 90.)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | High Altitude Training, correction |
In a message dated 06/28/01 20:19:53 Pacific Daylight Time,
mdcmd@ms-online.com writes:
> So does FAR 61.13 apply if the service ceiling is exactly 25,000?
Milt, Nico and everyone.
First, I apologize. I fell into someone else's lysdexia.
It's FAR 61.31 ... not .13.
I quote chapter and verse from the Big Book of Airplane Rules, 61.31:
(g) Additional training required for operating pressurized aircraft capable
of operating at high altitudes.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (g)(3) of this section, no person may act
as pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft (an aircraft that has a service
ceiling or maximum operating altitude, whichever is lower, above 25,000 feet
MSL), unless that person has received and logged ground training from an
authorized instructor and obtained an endorsement in the person's logbook or
training record from an authorized instructor who certifies the person has
satisfactorily accomplished the ground training. The ground training must
include at least the following subjects:
(i) High-altitude aerodynamics and meteorology;
(ii) Respiration;
(iii) Effects, symptoms, and causes of hypoxia and any other high-altitude
sickness;(iv) Duration of consciousness without supplemental oxygen;
(v) Effects of prolonged usage of supplemental oxygen;
(vi) Causes and effects of gas expansion and gas bubble formation;
(vii) Preventive measures for eliminating gas expansion, gas bubble
formation, and high-altitude sickness;
(viii) Physical phenomena and incidents of decompression; and(ix) Any other
physiological aspects of high-altitude flight.
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (g)(3) of this section, no person may act
as pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft unless that person has received
and logged training from an authorized instructor in a pressurized aircraft,
or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of
a pressurized aircraft, and obtained an endorsement in the person's logbook
or training record from an authorized instructor who found the person
proficient in the operation of a pressurized aircraft. The flight training
must include at least the following subjects:
(i) Normal cruise flight operations while operating above 25,000 feet MSL;
(ii) Proper emergency procedures for simulated rapid decompression without
actually depressurizing the aircraft; and
(iii) Emergency descent procedures.(3) The training and endorsement required
by paragraphs (g)(1) and (g)(2) of this section are not required if that
person can document satisfactory accomplishment of any of the following in a
pressurized aircraft, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that
is representative of a pressurized aircraft:
(i) Serving as pilot in command before April 15, 1991;
(ii) Completing a pilot proficiency check for a pilot certificate or rating
before April 15, 1991;
(iii) Completing an official pilot-in-command check conducted by the military
services of the United States;
or(iv) Completing a pilot-in-command proficiency check under part 121, 125,
or 135 of this chapter conducted by the Administrator or by an approved pilot
check airman.
Whew! OK, bottom line, if you fly OVER FL250, you're required to have the
training stated above.
Note: For a Commander to go above FL250, it must have a glass windshield;
that did not appear in production until the 690A Turbo Commander. That's
one of the big differences between the 690 and 690A -- Altitude capability.
Hope that helps.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AOPA ePilot Newsletter <aopa_news(at)aopa.org> |
| Subject: | AOPA ePilot -- Vol. 3, Issue 26 |
AOPA ePilot--Vol. 3, Issue 26
Departments
Inside AOPA
On Capitol Hill
Airport Support Network
Quiz Me!
2001 Bonanza
Sweepstakes
ePilot Calendar
Weekend Weather
Officials suggest new site for Florida airport
Bendix/King launches in-flight weather service
Pilots land at all Oregon airports
House members question technology approach
Volume 3, Issue 26
June 29, 2001
GA News
RUNWAY INCURSIONS GET NEW SCRUTINY
A recent incident at Washington Reagan National Airport that was uncovered
by The Washington Post has raised new concerns about runway incursions.
In the May 14 event, a twin-engine Piper Aztec aircraft was forced to initiate
heavy braking to avoid hitting a US Airways Boeing 737 that had begun its takeoff
roll. The Post quoted the pilot, Ronald W. Zborowski of Eighty Four, Pennsylvania,
as stating that an air traffic controller caught the error and tried
to tell Zborowski to go around, but used the wrong call sign. Congress has
begun hearings on runway incursions that include testimony by AOPA President Phil
Boyer. See On Capitol Hill below.
U.S. AEROBATIC TEAM DOES WELL IN WORLD COMPETITION
The United States Aerobatic Team did well during competition at the
World Air Games 2001 in southern Spain. Robert Armstrong won second place overall,
and also won a bronze medal in the Freestyle category. David Martin captured
the Freestyle gold. More than 5,000 air athletes and officials from 80 countries
competed in the Olympic-style event. The team returns to Dover, Delaware,
July 4.
OFFICIALS SUGGEST NEW SITE FOR FLORIDA AIRPORT
What's the best way to build a new general aviation airport in the
Orlando, Florida, area? Pick a site that is outside that area. Airport supporters
had hoped to establish a new airport in Orange County, home to Orlando and
gateway to nationally popular attractions (see June 15 ePilot). Public controversy
over proposed sites has now led the West Orange County Airport Authority
to consider a new site in nearby Lake County. Lake County commissioners last
week approved a study of a remote 300-acre site. Still under consideration are
two of the more controversial sites in Orange County.
BENDIX/KING LAUNCHES IN-FLIGHT WEATHER SERVICE
The Bendix/King Datalink Weather service became operational on June
20 and will premier during EAA AirVenture 2001 in July. The service will provide
free textual weather and subscription-based graphic weather to aircraft flying
at 5,000 feet or higher anywhere in the United States. Equipment was developed
under an FAA contract and uses VDL 2 (VHF datalink) equipment that transmits
data nearly as fast as the average home computer. Honeywell, owner of the
Bendix/King line, will begin taking orders in the next two months and will deliver
receivers by the end of the year. The receivers will cost less than $5,000.
For information call 877/712-2386 or 913/712-2613.
PILOTS LAND AT ALL OREGON AIRPORTS
Two pilots have visited all 96 public-use airports in Oregon in a single
trip while simultaneously raising money for two charities. On June 19 and
20, Parker Johnstone of Redmond, Oregon, and Jim Murphy of Brookline, New Hampshire,
piloted a Bonanza for nearly 33 hours over a 2,822-nm journey that covered
the state. The duo raised more than $10,000 for their chosen charitiesthe
Make-A-Wish Foundation and the American Diabetes Associationfrom pledges made
by individuals based on the number of airports visited.
SNOWBIRDS CANCEL SHOWS THROUGH JULY 21
The Canadian Snowbirds flight demonstration team has cancelled shows
through July 21 following an accident in which two of the aircraft collided
during formation flight. Shows are expected to resume in late July. In the accident,
aircraft number 5 flown by Captain Warren Wright collided with aircraft
No. 1 flown by the group commander, Major Bob Painchaud. The two Canadair CT-114
Tutor jets had separated from the formation to take photographs and were rejoining
when the accident occurred. For more information, visit the Web site.
For daily news updates, see AOPA Online.
Inside AOPA
AOPA CONTINUES TO FIGHT FOR MEIGS
AOPA is working to protect general aviation operations as new initiatives
to avoid delays at Chicago O'Hare International Airport are developed
by the Chicago Delay Task Force. Chicago aviation officials insist that there
will be little impact on GA from the Chicago O'Hare initiative and continue to
argue that the closing of Meigs Field and the corresponding shift in operations
to Midway (or other area airports) should not be considered in the discussions.
However, AOPA disagrees and continues to question how shifting Meigs' 46,000
operations per year to other area airports cannot affect air traffic in airspace
surrounding O'Hare.
AOPA TO APPEAL RICHARDS-GEBAUR AIRPORT DECISION
AOPA is researching legal issues to decide if it will ask for a rehearing
on a court decision allowing the closure of Richards-Gebaur Airport in
Kansas City, Missouri. After almost a year of deliberation, a three-judge panel
of the U.S. Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Paul, Minnesota, ruled earlier
this month that the FAA had acted properly in allowing Kansas City to close
Richards-Gebaur Airport and convert it into a rail-truck freight center. AOPA
filed a lawsuit last May challenging the FAA's authority to release Kansas
City from its federal grant assurances and surplus property deed restrictions.
For more information, see AOPA Online.
AOPA AND OCEANSIDE, CALIFORNIA, LOCK HORNS AGAIN
AOPA has fired another shot at the city of Oceanside, California. In
April, city officials were considering plans to close the airport and redevelop
the property. AOPA vehemently objected. Now, city officials are proposing
draconian restrictions on the use of the airport. "It appears the city of Oceanside
is attempting to regulate aircraft operations that are within the exclusive
province of the federal government," AOPA wrote in a June 22 letter to Mayor
Terry Johnson. "AOPA believes very strongly that the staff proposals on airport
operational issues violate existing federal laws and constitute breach of
contract with the federal government. AOPA strongly opposes these proposals."
City officials want an airport curfew with no landings or takeoffs permitted
between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m. Runway lights couldn't be activated after 10 p.m.,
except for a "declared emergency." For more informa
NO AD FOR DUAL-VACUUM SYSTEMS, FAA SAYS
A recent highly publicized accident in Missouri involving a Cessna
335 has focused the FAA regulatory spotlight on potential deficiencies in aircraft
equipped with dual vacuum systems. Late last year the FAA issued an airworthiness
concern sheet (ACS) to AOPA and aircraft type clubs indicating that it
was considering an AD mandating repetitive inspection and replacement of vacuum
system components. In response to the ACS, AOPA and several aircraft type
clubs opposed the proposed AD, pointing out that a simple preflight check at engine
start-up could completely preclude the possibility of an undetected vacuum
system failure. As a result of the comments received, the FAA opted out of
an AD and instead issued a special airworthiness information bulletin recommending
a simple preflight verification of the vacuum system's integrity. For more
information, visit
Changing your mailing or e-mail addresses? Click here to update.
On Capitol Hill
HOUSE MEMBERS QUESTION TECHNOLOGY APPROACH
AOPA President Phil Boyer testified Tuesday at a House aviation subcommittee
hearing focusing on runway incursions. Boyer told the subcommittee,
"We're not against using technology, but simply using better paint for runway
and taxiway lines and using better signage would go a long way towards reducing
runway incursions." AOPA member Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.) was particularly tough
on technology advocate Ken Mead, DOT inspector general. "When it comes to
incursions, the personal responsibility issue is oftentimes pushed aside," Hayes
said. "It all comes back to basic training and education." Other House aviation
subcommittee members were also skeptical that technology is the cure-all
for runway incursions, including pilot Rep. Vernon Ehlers (R-Mich.), ranking
member Rep. William Lipinski (D-Ill.), and Rep. John Baldacci (D-Maine). For more
information, visit the Web.
HOUSE PASSES TRANSPORTATION APPROPRIATIONS BILL
The House of Representatives approved a fiscal year 2002 funding bill
for the FAA that includes a number of recommendations made by AOPA. Overall,
the legislation would provide the FAA with $13.3 billion for the FAA$690 million
(5 percent) more than the fiscal year 2001 budget that was enactedand consistent
with the funding levels required by the Aviation Investment and Reform
Act for the Twenty-First Century (AIR-21). A number of AOPA recommendations
also were adopted, including full funding of the flight service station modernization
program; a requirement that the FAA disseminate the database of airport
diagrams to manufacturers at no cost; that the notam transmission system be
modernized; and, despite the change in administration, that language be included
prohibiting the FAA from funding user fee studies. The Senate is expected
to take up the legislation in early July.
Airport Support Network
VOLUNTEER OF THE WEEKTONY MARMIANI
AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer Tony Marmiani coordinated the
efforts of several pro-airport groups at the Lawrence Municipal Airport, Massachusetts
(LWM), in support of a long-term lease of airport property for an industrial
park, rather than an outright sale of the property. Marmiani started
a letter-writing campaign and contacted AOPA so it could write the city council
members, citing AOPA's strong support for the long-term lease option. Marmiani
is also involved in the Lawrence Airport Educational Foundation that is informing
the public about aviation and the airport's role in providing economic,
educational, and recreational benefits to the Merrimack Valley.
To learn more about the Airport Support Network, visit AOPA Online.
Quiz Me!
Heres a question asked by an AOPA member last week of our AOPA technical
specialists. Test your knowledge.
Question: Would you please give me the instructions on how to notify
the FAA of my change of address?
Answer: When a pilot moves or the permanent address changes, the FAA
must be notified within 30 days. Otherwise, the pilot may not act as PIC (FAR
61.60). Send the FAA a letter including the pilot's name, date of birth, social
security number and/or airman certificate number, new address, and signature
of the airman. To receive a certificate that reflects the new address, a $2
fee must accompany the letter. For full details, including the appropriate FAA
address, see AOPA Online.
Got a technical question for AOPA specialists? Call 800/872-2672 or
e-mail to inforequest(at)aopa.org. Send comments on our Quiz Me! questions to epilot(at)aopa.org.
AOPA Sweepstakes Bonanza Update
Your AOPA Sweepstakes Bonanza is in the paint shop at Murmer Aircraft
Services, located on Houston Southwest Airport in Texas. It is all white at
the moment, awaiting stripes and other accents. It should be completed and dried
by next week. After that, the aircraft is off to Salina, Kansas, to complete
the installation of a TKS ice protection system. Visit AOPA Online.
On The Road To Expo
SEE A PARADE OF PLANES PREVIEW
Ever see an AOPA Parade of Planes? You can get an idea of how the parade
will look on November 7 as it passes down the streets of Fort Lauderdale,
Florida, from a video that has just been placed on AOPA Online. Click here and
click on "Parade of Planes" on the left side of the screen. That will link
to a video featuring AOPA President Phil Boyer. The video was made during a previous
Expo as the AOPA Parade of Planes passed in the background.
ePilot Calendar
WEEKEND FLYING DESTINATIONS
Tacoma, Washington. The Tacoma Freedom Fair Air Show takes place July
4 at Tacoma Narrows Airport (TIW). Call 253/761-9433 for event information.
Battle Creek, Michigan. The Team U.S. Nationals and Battle Creek Air
Show takes place July 4 through 8 at W.K. Kellogg Airport (BTL). Call 616/962-0592
for event information.
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. The Canadian Owners and Pilots Association
Convention takes place July 6 through 8 at Peterborough Airport (CYPQ).
Call 613/236-4901 for event information.
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Wings Over Pittsburgh Air Show takes place
July 7 and 8 at Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT). Call 412/474-8683 for
event information, or visit the Web site.
FLYING DESTINATIONS IN CALIFORNIA CRESCENT CITY, CALIFORNIA. Airport
Day and Fly-In takes place July 4 at Crescent City Airport (CEC). Call 707/464-3110
for event information.
LOMPOC. West Coast Cub Fly-In takes place July 6 through 8 at Lompoc
Airport (LPC). Call 805/733-1914.
CONCORD. An open house takes place July 7 at Buchanan Field (CCR).
Call 510/733-4734 for event information.
GRASS VALLEY. AirFest 2001 takes place July 7 at Nevada County Airport
(O17). Call 530/273-1972 for event information.
For more airport details, see AOPA's Airport Directory Online. For
more events, see Aviation Calendar of Events
ASF SAFETY SEMINARS
The next AOPA ASF Safety Seminars are scheduled in Reno, Nevada, July
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| From: | garyloff <n27kb(at)erols.com> |
Just returned from a conference in Anchorage, Alaska hosted by the super people
of Alaska Aeronautics. I would highly reommend going. The temperatures are in
the mid 70's and there is lots of daylight.
Places to see Denali National Park, Fairbanks, Seward, Homer are all worth while
in addition to Anchorage.
Anchorage has the largest sea plane base in the world and at 8:00 PM it's as busy
as LAX as all the float planes return.
If you fly yourself (SUMMER ONLY) use the GA field in Anchorage whose name escapes
me at the moment.
While we were there the was a meeting ot the "Short Winged Piper Association" .
I met one intrepid couple whom flew their Tri Pacer from St Louis.
If your going to fly into the interior get a mountain check out or better yet a
guide. Be advised there are only twelve paved airports in the state and virtually
no radar coverage outside the major cities.
Now to the real point of this communication as we were driving out of Anchorage
International I got a glimpse of two Commanders. Upon further inspection these
two birds were sans engines and interiors. The airframes looked to be in good
condition. One even had what appeared to be a relatively recent paint job from
Downtown Airpark.
The registration numbers are N6114X belongiing to Ram Air and the other had Aussie
markings VH EPM of which I can find no record for.
I'm going to continue my research with the possible goal of recovering these airplanes
and restoring them before they head to the junk yard.
If anyone has info on VH EPM let me know, I'd appreciate your help.
I will keep you informed on my hopefully non Quixotic quest.
I hope you all have a great fly in.
Finally if anyone is attending the EAA fly in I will be there carrying the flag
for Superunicom, stop by.
GL
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| From: | Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk <Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk> |
Hi!
N6114X is serial 500B-924-9 registered to Ram Air Inc.
VH-EPM is the former mark of N16578, serial 500U-1647-7 registered to
Douglas A Burts (an owner of Ram Air Inc?). I believe he bought this one
over four years ago, from Australia. Has a 'bubble' window, as it was used
by the Australian Customs.
Ram Air Inc also have registered to them:
N999GB, serial 500U-1717-27
N17DL, serial 500S-1866-42
Hope this helps,
Barry J Collman
"garyloff"
<n27kb@erols. To: "Twin Commander Flight Group"
com>
cc:
29/06/2001 Subject: Anchorage
11:29
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Just returned from a conference in Anchorage, Alaska hosted by the super
people of Alaska Aeronautics. I would highly reommend going. The
temperatures are in the mid 70's and there is lots of daylight.
Places to see Denali National Park, Fairbanks, Seward, Homer are all worth
while in addition to Anchorage.
Anchorage has the largest sea plane base in the world and at 8:00 PM it's
as busy as LAX as all the float planes return.
If you fly yourself (SUMMER ONLY) use the GA field in Anchorage whose name
escapes me at the moment.
While we were there the was a meeting ot the "Short Winged Piper
Association" . I met one intrepid couple whom flew their Tri Pacer from St
Louis.
If your going to fly into the interior get a mountain check out or better
yet a guide. Be advised there are only twelve paved airports in the state
and virtually no radar coverage outside the major cities.
Now to the real point of this communication as we were driving out of
Anchorage International I got a glimpse of two Commanders. Upon further
inspection these two birds were sans engines and interiors. The airframes
looked to be in good condition. One even had what appeared to be a
relatively recent paint job from Downtown Airpark.
The registration numbers are N6114X belongiing to Ram Air and the other had
Aussie markings VH EPM of which I can find no record for.
I'm going to continue my research with the possible goal of recovering
these airplanes and restoring them before they head to the junk yard.
If anyone has info on VH EPM let me know, I'd appreciate your help.
I will keep you informed on my hopefully non Quixotic quest.
I hope you all have a great fly in.
Finally if anyone is attending the EAA fly in I will be there carrying the
flag for Superunicom, stop by.
GL
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| From: | garyloff <n27kb(at)erols.com> |
I should share with the rest of you some of the observations I took from the Alaska
Conf on Technology. I'm paraphrasing the title but that is the gist of it.
In addition to what we contributed with our gadjet/project with Galaxy Scientific
the conf was devoated in large measure the Capstone Project and ADS-B and the
reduction of accidents most notably CFIT.
There were some very heavy hitters from FAA, NASA and other branches of govt.
First UAT (UPS/Apollo) has the inside track when ADS-B comes to the rest of us.
Most of the avionics manufacturers are buildiing the types of avionics that will
work with it and whose architecture will be flexible/open.
Unfortunetly the venerable King is going in a different direction at this time
and it will probably cost those who invest in their equipment.
ADS-B has been extremely successful in Alaska and is very cool stuff, it will come
to the lower 48 sooner than later.
If I had to give a recommendation it would be to shy away from King and go with
Garmin, UAT. However King are no dummies and I'm sure/hope they will soon see
the light.
I had the good fortune through no fault of my own to go with the entire UAT package
with two of their MFDs. The whole stackwith one MX 20 can be had for well
under 20k. I would highly recommend two of the MX 20 and your still under or
very close to 20k.
If the avionics your considering don't have RS 232 interfaces and open architecture
you will may be very sorry in the next 5 years.
The FAA has backed way off the GPS only panel. If you have a Loran keep it.
ILS and the like are going to be around for many years.
Finally I saw one of the scariest airpoorts in the world. Juneau has to be seen
to be believed. The tower almost sits lower than the runway the top of the tower
is at eye level with the runway. Talk about pucker factor the missed approach
gives me shivers.
Gary
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
I think someone just sent a virus to the list as an executable
attachment. I'm not sure what it is, but since it was an MS
Outlook attachment, be aware that it is likely a virus.
FYI, I HIGHLY recomend against using any of Microsoft's email
products as they are full of security holes! Seems like a week
never goes by without a warning that somebody has found a new
fault in Outlook.
Chris Schuermann
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Gang, Well ya'll are worse than I thought! there is an old saying that
when you are drinking,you get higher than a Georgia Pine.When I said we
would see what your service ceiling was, I was talking about your ability to
handle the contents of the JUG! DUHHHH!! AL
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Anyone care to interpret all those abbreviations for us rednecks.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: garyloff
To: Twin Commander Flight Group
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 6:41 AM
Subject: Alaska conf
1. Fill in the brief application
2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds
I should share with the rest of you some of the observations I took from the
Alaska Conf on Technology. I'm paraphrasing the title but that is the gist of
it.
In addition to what we contributed with our gadjet/project with Galaxy Scientific
the conf was devoated in large measure the Capstone Project and ADS-B and
the reduction of accidents most notably CFIT.
There were some very heavy hitters from FAA, NASA and other branches of govt.
First UAT (UPS/Apollo) has the inside track when ADS-B comes to the rest of us.
Most of the avionics manufacturers are buildiing the types of avionics that will
work with it and whose architecture will be flexible/open.
Unfortunetly the venerable King is going in a different direction at this time
and it will probably cost those who invest in their equipment.
ADS-B has been extremely successful in Alaska and is very cool stuff, it will
come to the lower 48 sooner than later.
If I had to give a recommendation it would be to shy away from King and go with
Garmin, UAT. However King are no dummies and I'm sure/hope they will soon see
the light.
I had the good fortune through no fault of my own to go with the entire UAT package
with two of their MFDs. The whole stackwith one MX 20 can be had for well
under 20k. I would highly recommend two of the MX 20 and your still under or
very close to 20k.
If the avionics your considering don't have RS 232 interfaces and open architecture
you will may be very sorry in the next 5 years.
The FAA has backed way off the GPS only panel. If you have a Loran keep it.
ILS and the like are going to be around for many years.
Finally I saw one of the scariest airpoorts in the world. Juneau has to be seen
to be believed. The tower almost sits lower than the runway the top of the
tower is at eye level with the runway. Talk about pucker factor the missed approach
gives me shivers.
Gary
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Dont know if we are all getting paranoid about a virus but my zone alarm and virus
scan quarantined and suggested I not open an attachment labeled unaxa attached
to Luis Panacchi's e mail 6/29
Milt
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 06/29/01 03:32:38 Pacific Daylight Time, n27kb(at)erols.com
writes:
> If you fly yourself (SUMMER ONLY) use the GA field in Anchorage whose name
>
Merrill Field is the GA airport at Anchorage. Busy place!
The name escapes me right now, but there is/was at least one "fleet" operator
in Alaska.
Also, Tom Blaesing, owner of Commanders Northwest, has traditionally had
several Commanders on Forest Service contracts based up there.
Wing Commander Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 06/29/01 04:44:37 Pacific Daylight Time, n27kb(at)erols.com
writes:
> Finally I saw one of the scariest airpoorts in the world. Juneau has to be
> seen to be believed. The tower almost sits lower than the runway the top of
> the tower is at eye level with the runway. Talk about pucker factor the
>
That's good ... but try this out: Kodiak, Alaska.
The approach plate has the statement "missed approach N/A."
You do the ILS and get an automatic GCA (or PAR if you prefer) back up,
whether you ask for it or not.
Why? The ILS brings you to a runway with the shear vertical wall of granite
mountain near the other end. First time I was in there and broke out and I
saw what I was facing I was more than grateful for the GCA back-up!
And on the North Slope ... well, there's a certain charm to shooting an ILS
to a dirt runway.
Thanks for the field report on ADS-B. Very interesting and I think members
who are doing panel upgrades are well advised to talk to you first.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | Furlong5(at)aol.com <Furlong5(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | The Fun part of Aviation |
In a message dated 6/29/2001 8:09:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
somewhereoutwest(at)home.com writes:
>
> Another good reason to check around before you kick the tires and fly!!
>
>
>
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Looks like my last stop before HIO will be Salt Lake City.
Is there any preferred or best route across the mountains.
Milt
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| From: | Furlong5(at)aol.com <Furlong5(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flyin routing |
In a message dated 6/29/2001 8:35:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mdcmd@ms-online.com writes:
> Looks like my last stop before HIO will be Salt Lake City.
> Is there any preferred or best route across the mountains.
>
> Milt
>
If I were going to make that leg I would go to Boise then V500 -Jepp IFR
Planning chart -to Newberg VOR which is just a couple of miles south of HIO
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flyin routing |
In a message dated 6/29/01 8:34:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mdcmd@ms-online.com writes:
<< Is there any preferred or best route across the mountains >>
High Milt, fly very High!! see ya there jb
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The Fun part of Aviation |
I don't do wingdings, or other like codes! :)
Attachment was all *$# %'d up...
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Furlong5(at)aol.com
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: The Fun part of Aviation
In a message dated 6/29/2001 8:09:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
somewhereoutwest(at)home.com writes:
Another good reason to check around before you kick the tires and fly!!
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
Gang,
Just thought I'd share my experience today that could/would have ended up very
ugly were it not for a thorough preflight.
I've been doing my ME training in a Piper Seminole. The flight school (Sunrise
Aviation) is very reputable and takes good care of their aircraft. That said,
they rent airplanes and train students...stuff breaks.
Today was the day of my checkride. After passing the ground portion , the
DE told me to go out and preflight the airplane...he'd be right there. Out
to the airplane I go....
After completing the cockpit part of the preflight, I began the walk around. Everything
was normal: right flap, right aileron, right wing lights, gear, gear
door, fuel, oil, fuel pump line, landing light (in nose), front gear, right front
gear door, left...front...gear.....what's that? That's not supposed to be
hanging down there! the left gear door is free
on it's hinge! The attach bracket for the gear door link arm had sheared clean
off. The link arm was haning down and the gear door was free to do as it pleased.
A takeoff in this situation would have, at the very least, been very expensive!
After talking to the mech. he stated that he had seen this condition before where
the pilot took off and the wind pushed the door closed ahead of the gear, JAMMING
the nosewheel in place - half way up. Two engines, props, nosewheel, and
sheetmetal later, the plane was flying again.
I share this not to boast of my wonderful preflight inspection, rather that I am
fortunate to have caught the problem. It would have been very easy to overlook.
Especially in the Seminole, or Commander where the plane sits low to the
ground.
Another reminder to take this flying s**t seriously....
Y'all be safe out there!
Barry Hancock
Precision Flight Networks
(949) 300-5510
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
In a message dated 06/29/01 10:56:00 Pacific Daylight Time,
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net writes:
> I share this not to boast of my wonderful preflight inspection, rather that
> I am fortunate to have caught the problem. It would have been very easy to
> overlook. Especially in the Seminole, or Commander where the plane sits
>
Good catch!
Go ahead and boast about a wonderful preflight inspection -- you deserve it!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Update on earlier topic 6 place long range aircraft |
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Remember pilots for Christ
Just got this e mail From H. James mcConell thought some of yall might be interesred
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: H. James McConnell
To: Milt Concannon
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: 6 place long range aircraft
Milt:
Sometimes you will never know how the Lord will work things out but it is always
better than we can do for ourselves.
You will remember our emails re: Jerry Ferrells 560. I had several phone conversations
with him and sent him the latest copy of our newsletter which included
our most recent non-ambulatory mercy flight. I also gave him a copy of our
video about Pilots for Christ which had a sequence where we transported a paralyzed
child from Arkansas to New York. On June 14th, while on a flight viewing
other TC's I stopped off at Temple and looked at the aircraft and met Jerry.
He sat me down in his hanger and asked me "If I give you this aircraft, what will
you do with it?" I described the missions that we could not do with our Seneca
that we could with his aircraft because of the high load capability and greater
range. He said, "If you can get me an appraisal for at least $70,000,
I will give you the aircraft!
The aircraft appraised at $70.500. The appraiser refused to accept payment because
it was the Lord's work. The attorney helping me draw up the legal papers
refused payment and a local IP is training our multiengine pilots in the 560
without pay. We returned from Temple last evening with the aircraft and it flew
great. Needs a few small repairs and upgrades but is basically ready to fly
missions. PTL!
I appreciate the part you played in all this. Without your referral, we would
not have known about the aircraft or Mr. Ferrell's possible gifting of it. Thanks
for all you have done, Milt. I hope that you feel a little of the joy of
the Lord's blessing that we do having received an aircraft that greatly enlarges
the mission of Pilots for Christ.
In His Service. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Milt Concannon
To: H. James McConnell
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: 6 place long range aircraft
James attached are some items off the internet I would seriously look at the
one owned by jerry ferrel in TX. He owns a beer distributorship and may be more
interested in a writeoff its a really great plane.
Jerry Ferrell Home 254 778 3176
Work 254 773 3336
Milt
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| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The Fun part of Aviation |
That was a virus, Barry. I had two that my Norton picked up and killed before it
could do any harm.
Don't open their attachments. If you deleted them, you also have to go to your
'deleted items' folder and kill it there too.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: Furlong5(at)aol.com ; tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: The Fun part of Aviation
I don't do wingdings, or other like codes! :)
Attachment was all *$# %'d up...
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Furlong5(at)aol.com
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: The Fun part of Aviation
In a message dated 6/29/2001 8:09:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
somewhereoutwest(at)home.com writes:
Another good reason to check around before you kick the tires and fly!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The Fun part of Aviation |
Nico,
Thanks! I opened the attachment, not thinking. Scary that these things are getting
on group BB's now. I've come out of the dark ages and subscribed to McAfee
now....
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico van Niekerk
To: Barry Hancock ; Furlong5(at)aol.com ; tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: The Fun part of Aviation
That was a virus, Barry. I had two that my Norton picked up and killed before
it could do any harm.
Don't open their attachments. If you deleted them, you also have to go to your
'deleted items' folder and kill it there too.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: Furlong5(at)aol.com ; tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: The Fun part of Aviation
I don't do wingdings, or other like codes! :)
Attachment was all *$# %'d up...
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Furlong5(at)aol.com
To: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:27 AM
Subject: Fwd: The Fun part of Aviation
In a message dated 6/29/2001 8:09:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
somewhereoutwest(at)home.com writes:
Another good reason to check around before you kick the tires and fly!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
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WAY TO GO BARRY!.................jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Looks like Barry found-----------THE WEAKEST LINK!!!!!!!! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | res00rbl <res00rbl(at)verizon.net> |
Hi Guys I landed a hand full of old Flying magazine ads. Id be
happy to share them with anyone interested they run from 520s to the
jets. I can either e-mail them as attachments, as long as your server can
handle multi-attachments, or I will send photocopies via snail mail.
I also have three pilot reviews from magazines the reviews are
on a 500, 500B & 500U (Shrike). Please contact me if you would enjoy
reading one of them.
All I ask is a couple of bucks for the postage & copying.
Take Care Jim Jorgensen (Seattle)
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | ANOTHER nice flight |
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HI KIDS..............
Had a great ride to work today. Almost "sever clear" but had some
build ups along the way. Tops right at cursing alt, 6500. What a blast.
Diving through the cloud valleys and blasting up the sides of the canyons!!
Lots of "trails" to follow then pull up at the last minute at the end of the
box canyon, roll hard left (59degrees), float over the top and dive back into
the next one!! I had the Iguanas complete and undivided attention!!
When I landed a guy came out to meet the airplane. He flies for Boeing
Corporate (came over from MD when Boeing bought them out). Seems his dad and
he sold Commanders in the early 60s. His favorite was the 500A with the
IO-470s. They had one for there "driver" . He went on to fly lots of other
stuff but said the Commanders are the best.
He may join the list, I hope he does. He has some original Commander
memorabilia and the factory key fob for a 500B, N6168X of something like
that.
Anyway, fun to talk to him. Amazing how many guys got there start in a
commander, we are in good company.
Tomorrow I will fly a Biplane ride for Jim Matheson and his yacht club
from a place called "Quarter Master" harbor, should be fun. Yall have a
great weekend. capt jimbob
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| From: | res00rbl <res00rbl(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: ANOTHER nice flight |
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Sounds like you're having way too much fun, Jimbo! Keep at it - the
weather may/will change up here, you know (haha) - Jimbo
-----Original Message-----
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Sent:
Friday, June 29, 2001 5:57 PM
To:
tcfg(at)listbot.com
Subject:
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HI KIDS..............
Had a great ride to work today. Almost "sever clear" but had some
build ups along the way. Tops right at cursing alt, 6500. What a blast.
Diving through the cloud valleys and blasting up the sides of the canyons!!
Lots of "trails" to follow then pull up at the last minute at the end of the
box canyon, roll hard left (59degrees), float over the top and dive back
into
the next one!! I had the Iguanas complete and undivided attention!!
When I landed a guy came out to meet the airplane. He flies for Boeing
Corporate (came over from MD when Boeing bought them out). Seems his dad
and
he sold Commanders in the early 60s. His favorite was the 500A with the
IO-470s. They had one for there "driver" . He went on to fly lots of other
stuff but said the Commanders are the best.
He may join the list, I hope he does. He has some original Commander
memorabilia and the factory key fob for a 500B, N6168X of something like
that.
Anyway, fun to talk to him. Amazing how many guys got there start in a
commander, we are in good company.
Tomorrow I will fly a Biplane ride for Jim Matheson and his yacht club
from a place called "Quarter Master" harbor, should be fun. Yall have a
great weekend. capt jimbob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
Don't know 'bout that. *I* was the PIC... :)
Barry
> Looks like Barry found-----------THE WEAKEST LINK!!!!!!!! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
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Okay, so everyone will get the PUN, the WEAKEST LINK-AGE! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | res00rbl <res00rbl(at)verizon.net> |
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Hi just wanted to let you know that Im gone this whole week, so I
will forward any requests the week of the 9th.
Have a great, great day of celebrating the founding of the greatest
nation ever!
Jim Jorgensen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Mr. RPM 560F? It's true! |
It's true! I just got off the phone with Mr. RPM himself.
The first AC-560-F with a Mr. RPM installation actually began a year and a
half ago. Since the 560F is the same type certificate as the 680 series and
the 500S, it was always a possibilty but was never done before.
Dick MacCoon says Banyan Aero in Ft. Lauderdale is doing great work and he is
really impressed with them. The airframe is zero-timed, by the way.
Noteworthy is that Mr. RPM has moved the oil cooler to the back of the
nacelle and is using all stainless hardware.
It seems there has been some trouble with one particular key person in the
certification process on site and the paperwork is dragging and the cost is
going up.
Dick says that the price should be around $350K but the current one is way
over that due to some of the factors he mentioned above.
"$350K is not cheap, but put side by side with the Mr. RPM airplanes on the
market and the Merlyn conversions, it's not out of line," he points out.
On another topic, Mr. RPM is finishing up the updated turbo charging package
for the 500B and S Commanders. He thinks it will be ready to sell in 6
months. Sounds like a good package; lots of refinements from the original
turbochargers on the 500 series.
I know Tylor Hall will have the scoop on that when it's ready for market as
he's keeping his eye on the program.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | D Monk <britmonk(at)swbell.net> |
| Subject: | [Is this for real?] |
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| From: | D Monk <britmonk(at)swbell.net> |
| Subject: | [Is this for real?] |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Is this for real?] NO - IGNORE IT |
D Monk wrote:
> Subject: Fwd: Is this for real?
> Federal Bill 602P adds 5-cents per
> E-mail sent.
This is an ancient "sucker email" that's been making the rounds
on the internet for years. Ignore it - it's totally bogus...
There are tons of these types of emails floating around including
the ever-popular virus scares. If you think you have something
thats "big news(tm)" to share, make sure to check to see if it's
accurate before posting to the chatlist. For news such as this
one, I suggest looking at CNN - it would be on TV. For virus
scares, go to the web site: http://www.cert.org If it is a real
virus, full details will be there as well as instructions on how
to deal with it.
Cheers!
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | garyloff <n27kb(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Is this for real?] NO - IGNORE IT |
I didn't read the attachment as I never open anything from a unknown source.
I will relate my most recent commercial flying experiance. First I guess
it's a given that commercial flying sucks but by going on line I was able to
get first class tickets to Anchorage for less than many of the coach fares.
Another personal discovery. In the DC area we have 3 major airports
Washington National-DCA. Dulles IAD and Baltimore-BWI. Even though IAD and
BWI are equi distant from my home the same airline will charge you far more
to fly from IAD than BWI. If you have a second tier city like Baltimore
located near you next time you are forced to endure commercial flying check
out the airfares from there too.
G
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
To: D Monk
Cc: Amazon.com ; Amy Morris ; Andy
Arena ; Barb Farrell ;
Bill McGinnis ; Cheap Tickets Insider Specials
; Chris Schuermann
; Curtis Vickery
; Daniel P. Raymer ;
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>
> D Monk wrote:
> > Subject: Fwd: Is this for real?
> > Federal Bill 602P adds 5-cents per
> > E-mail sent.
>
>
> This is an ancient "sucker email" that's been making the rounds
> on the internet for years. Ignore it - it's totally bogus...
> There are tons of these types of emails floating around including
> the ever-popular virus scares. If you think you have something
> thats "big news(tm)" to share, make sure to check to see if it's
> accurate before posting to the chatlist. For news such as this
> one, I suggest looking at CNN - it would be on TV. For virus
> scares, go to the web site: http://www.cert.org If it is a real
> virus, full details will be there as well as instructions on how
> to deal with it.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Burson <info(at)reaganfoundation.org> |
| Subject: | What the 4th of July means to Ronald Reagan- And should |
mean to us
Dear Nico,
Tomorrow, we celebrate the 225th anniversary of the
signing of the Declaration of Independence. Many of you are
aware that July 4th has always been Ronald Reagan's favorite
holiday. To celebrate this important day and to pay tribute to
a holiday that was a source of continuing inspiration to
President Reagan, I offer the following:
What The Fourth of July Means to Ronald Reagan-And Should
Mean To All of Us
By Mark Burson
Twenty years ago this week, Parade Magazine invited
President Reagan to write a special July 4th message
to the nation, to be printed and published nationwide.
The result was an extraordinary essay that prominently
featured his personal reflection and historical
understanding-as well his unique brand of patriotic
appreciation.
In this observation, any reader would surely not be
surprised by Ronald Reagan's heartfelt regard for
the stalwart men who chartered our nation.
But first allow me to briefly describe a part of the article that
appeared at its beginning and that struck me as particularly
important. It is a disclaimer of sorts, from the magazine, and
it details a letter from one of the President's assistants.
The cover note to Parade's readers stated, "This 4th of July
message is the President's own words and written initially
in his own hand. I thought your readers might like to know
that, and that he wrote it on a yellow pad at Camp David the
week before last."
To some this note might have suspiciously smacked of
political posturing, the surgical handiwork of a clever
spin-doctor trying to sell the public on an elected
official's authenticity. With Ronald Reagan, however, has
there ever been any mistaking that he is the genuine article?
Even more fortunately, with the recent publication of Reagan
In His Own Hand, a collection of the radio commentaries he
delivered between 1975 and 1979, we have come to know the
40th President as the quintessential thinking-and writing man.
This is because Reagan In His Own Hand includes many priceless
reproductions of the man's own handwritten drafts, composed
in his own handwriting, on a yellow pad-just as President Reagan
wished to impart to the nation what its birthday means to him.
Often, we look upon July 4th as a relaxing holiday from
work, more akin to backyard barbecues and flaring fireworks
than personal sacrifice and hardships endured.
Ronald Reagan himself remarked about how the town in which
he grew up came colorfully alive with the onset of July, and
that, for him, the 4th was almost as long-anticipated as
Christmas. Who can frown upon that sense of joy?
But his words then took into careful consideration a
developing sense of national identity and recognition of
America's special start: "Somewhere in our growing up, we
began to be aware of the meaning of the day, and with the
awareness came the birth of our patriotism."
In recounting the remarkable event that took place now 225
years ago in that little hall in Philadelphia where the
Declaration of Independence was signed, how often do we stop
to think of the risk its signers took, instead of the reward
that we enjoy today?
Ronald Reagan made sure that we did, not to remind us of sad
things or personal misfortune, but to pay appropriate tribute
to the remarkable men we have come to know simply as the
Founding Fathers.
He made certain we would understand that signing the
document was "an irretrievable act, and that the walls
resounded with the words-treason, the gallows, the headsman's
axe-and the issue remained in doubt." This vivid writing
recognized not only the glory of victory, but of the men,
signers all, who risked all and surrendered all to, as he
put it, "sire a nation that grew from sea to shining sea."
In this way, Ronald Reagan called us to our destiny, to
consider anew that July 4th is "more than just the birthday
of a nation. It also commemorates the only true philosophical
revolution in all history. There have been revolutions
before and since ours. But those revolutions exchanged one set
of rules for another. Ours was a revolution that changed the
very concept of government."
Has anyone ever captured-more succinctly and more
inclusively -the inspiration that created the American
experiment and gave life to the ideals we claim as
birthright?
President Reagan concluded with a thoughtful comment, not
delivered as demanding edict, but as solemn hope: "We
sometimes forget that great truth and we never should."
From that yellow pad of paper sprang a true homage to the 56
signers of the Declaration of Independence, and it could
only have been written by a man for whom patriotism, love of
country and an appreciation for how we got here were never
far from his heart.
Thank you, Mr. President. And to everyone: Happy Fourth of
July.
SPECIAL OFFER: Recently, you may have heard about the
release of our highly acclaimed new book, Ronald Reagan: An
American Hero. The handsome, leather bound version is
available exclusively at the Ronald Reagan Presidential
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http://www.reaganfoundation.org/store
online store
Thank you for your support.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Mark Burson <info(at)reaganfoundation.org> |
Dear Nico,
Regarding the offer in my first e-mail, I would like to
provide a direct link to the leather bound version of Ronald
Reagan: An American Hero if you are interested in learning
more.
http://www.reaganfoundation.org/store/products.asp?subcat_id=39
Direct
Link
Thank you again for your support.
Mark Burson
Executive Director
Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Foundation
40 Presidential Drive
Simi Valley, CA 93065
805-522-2977
http://www.reaganfoundation.org/
mburson(at)reaganfoundation.org
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: times are a' changing |
Freedom?
When was the last time you spent an evening with your bride discussing the
purchase of a Fuji Commander 700 at a sushi bar after viewing the movie Pearl
Harbor, sipping on a bottle of Socki? (red neck moonshine)
Brewed at the foot of Taylor's Ridge.
Fly Safe
GT
Ps. Any 700 pilots out there?
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: times are a' changing |
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AUE THO GADY............jb
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| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: times are a' changing |
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Forgive my ignorance, but what is a Fuji Commander?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com>
To: ;
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: times are a' changing
>
>
> Freedom?
> When was the last time you spent an evening with your bride discussing the
> purchase of a Fuji Commander 700 at a sushi bar after viewing the movie
Pearl
> Harbor, sipping on a bottle of Socki? (red neck moonshine)
> Brewed at the foot of Taylor's Ridge.
> Fly Safe
> GT
> Ps. Any 700 pilots out there?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <thall5(at)kc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fuji Commander 700 |
Nico,
In 1978, 79,80, Then Rockwell Commander made a deal with Fuji of Japan to
market a new commander built by Fuji, finished in US aircraft.
It is a low wing, pressurized 5.5 psi, twin along the lines of a Navajo.
Pointy Nose. Powered by two Lyc TIO-540-R2AD, 340 HP engines.
It was not a hot seller and only 32 were sold in three years.
Some lawyer decided that the unsold units were to be destroyed after
removing the engines and avionics. Then they drove a steam roller over the
airframes.
They are reported to fly well, but were no improvements in performance over
older Twin Commanders. The 500 S went out of production in 1979. The 690
was doing well, and the 685 stopped in 1974.
I am pulling most of this off the top of my head. I am sure that Sir Berry
can fill in some more details.
There is a company locally that flies one. I have a photo of one.
Where is the History of Commanders paper that Morris and Leff and a few
others wrote some time ago? Wing Commander Gordon- Do you have a copy?
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <thall5(at)kc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Fuji Commander 700 |
Nico,
In 1978, 79,80, Then Rockwell Commander made a deal with Fuji of Japan to
market a new commander built by Fuji, finished in US aircraft.
It is a low wing, pressurized 5.5 psi, twin along the lines of a Navajo.
Pointy Nose. Powered by two Lyc TIO-540-R2AD, 340 HP engines.
It was not a hot seller and only 32 were sold in three years.
Some lawyer decided that the unsold units were to be destroyed after
removing the engines and avionics. Then they drove a steam roller over the
airframes.
They are reported to fly well, but were no improvements in performance over
older Twin Commanders. The 500 S went out of production in 1979. The 690
was doing well, and the 685 stopped in 1974.
I am pulling most of this off the top of my head. I am sure that Sir Berry
can fill in some more details.
There is a company locally that flies one. I have a photo of one.
Where is the History of Commanders paper that Morris and Leff and a few
others wrote some time ago? Wing Commander Gordon- Do you have a copy?
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
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You can not fly a Fuji 700 upside down,bown to have crackup!!!! AL
________________________________________________________________________________
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HI KIDS............
I just wanted to wish everybody a happy 4th and I hope all of you
have a safe and fun holiday (I will be working flying the biplane all week)
Remember all those who gave their lives so we can enjoy our freedom. See Ya
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JETPAUL(at)aol.com <JETPAUL(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HAPPY 4TH!!!!! |
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Amen JB!!!!!
Do not let this day go by without a prayer for all those who have fallen in
the defense of freedom where ever they were called upon to fight.
And remember, if you are still savin' yo' confederate money so you will be
rich again one day...........YOU MIGHT BE A RNCP!!!!!!
Paul Reason
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| From: | w.bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | The 4 letter word, SUMP |
Well our sump ordeal is finally over for a while at least. Many of you
remember when it started. I hope it is more peaceful that the last time I
brought it up.
It all started when I took the 500A over to Titusville(X21),FL to Crazy,
Uncle, Dirty Harry M. for an "O" ring job on the sump drain. This small
task exploded into the "SUMP FROM HELL" when the valve was being tightened
back into the sump and the female part(I think that's still politically
correct) of the sump cracked. Harry said
"#$% &*(*& %$" I think that meant "OH MY". I went home laughing, hoping to
find a quiet place to go cry. There wasn't time I had to go to work for 3
weeks and left the sump dumped on Harry, Scott and Roger.
Harry and Co. pulled the old sump out and a decision was made to try to get
another from Yoda. He sent one he had down and while it was being cleaned
up 3 cracks were discovered. Work was halted until I could get back and
"finger" things out. We decided to send the sump to SNH Aerospace in San
Antonio. SNH found 3 more cracks for a total of 6. Repairs were $600.00
and turn time was 5 days which they stuck to.
Within a couple of days it was all back together and leaking nicely down the
left side of the airplane. "Oh didn't I tell you I never fill it to the
top." That little mistake cost me plenty $$$ but Harry, Scott and Roger got
lots of good practice removing and reinstalling sumps and fuel cells. I'm
glad I was able to be a part of the educational process. Scott was the
winner of the timed event with Dirty and Roger tying for first place in the
#$% &*( event. What a team.
They are a good group. If you "Left Coast Dudes" ever get to the Right
Coast and are neat X21 you should at least stop in for a Diet Coke or a Cold
Beer. Harry also give tutoring in English, My kids have a new understanding
of how the English language is spoken. For the ladies in the group, they
can stop off for some amazing "Butt Cleavage" I won't say who though.
THE END FOR NOW
bilbo
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuji Commander 700 |
Nico, I have a copy of the History of Commanders paper that Morris gave me not
90 days ago....I can probably scan it & get it to Chris, and if it's small enough,
put it up on the website.
Chris....any thoughts?
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: TCFG ; Nico van Niekerk
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 5:29 AM
Subject: Fuji Commander 700
Nico,
In 1978, 79,80, Then Rockwell Commander made a deal with Fuji of Japan to market
a new commander built by Fuji, finished in US aircraft.
It is a low wing, pressurized 5.5 psi, twin along the lines of a Navajo. Pointy
Nose. Powered by two Lyc TIO-540-R2AD, 340 HP engines.
It was not a hot seller and only 32 were sold in three years.
Some lawyer decided that the unsold units were to be destroyed after removing
the engines and avionics. Then they drove a steam roller over the airframes.
They are reported to fly well, but were no improvements in performance over older
Twin Commanders. The 500 S went out of production in 1979. The 690 was
doing well, and the 685 stopped in 1974.
I am pulling most of this off the top of my head. I am sure that Sir Berry can
fill in some more details.
There is a company locally that flies one. I have a photo of one.
Where is the History of Commanders paper that Morris and Leff and a few others
wrote some time ago? Wing Commander Gordon- Do you have a copy?
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Michrandi(at)aol.com <Michrandi(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Rockwell Commander 700 |
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Taylor, Here is some information:
seats 6 Top 254 mph
Gross wt. 6947 Cruise 244 mph
Empty wt. 4704 Stall 79 mph
Fuel cap. 210 Int. Climb 1578
(2)340-hp turbo Lyc. Ceiling 25,000
Range 1,214
T.O. (50) 2,264
Lnd. Dist.(50) 2,154
The press. 700 was designed and produced under an
agreement between Fuji and Rockwell. The 700 was
to be the first in a series of wide-bodied aircraft between
the two companies. The 700 provides sea-level comfort
up to 12,500 with a useful load of 2,283 pounds.
Rockwell and Fuji ended there contract in December 1979.
Happy 4th,
Mike Macosko
(wannabe 560F owner)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuji Commander 700 |
In a message dated 07/04/01 05:28:47 Pacific Daylight Time, thall5(at)kc.rr.com
writes:
> Where is the History of Commanders paper that Morris and Leff and a few
> others wrote some time ago?
Uhhhh. Ummmmmm. Well, I hate to say this, but I wrote the History of the
Aero Commander.
It was with Morris Kernick's help and I thank him for the initial input. I
self published (not a sophisticated deal, it was desk-top published and
cranked out by Kinko's) and Dick Wartinger has been my exclusive distributor
since around 1993 or 1994.
As far as your report on the Commander 700, you were quite good -- except you
oversated how well they flew after being run over by a steam roller.
I quote: "Some lawyer decided that the unsold units were to be destroyed
after removing the engines and avionics. Then they drove a steam roller over
the airframes.They are reported to fly well, but were no improvements in
performance over older Twin Commanders."
The never really flew that well, before or after.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
If you think that an armadillo as POSSUM ON THE HALF SHELL,you might be a
RED NECKED COMMANDER PILOT! AL So here is the latest.The wife is going to
perform a MRI And an EEG on me next week,so it looks like that after I do my
check ride(in the very near future)Imay be going under the knife.If,and it
looks enevitable,this happens Lucille will be on the market.If you fellows
know of anyone interested in her just give me a shout. Thanks Allen
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <thall5(at)kc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | History of Commanders |
Wing Commander,
Since I do not own a copy of your History, I did not know who wrote it.
How much do you charge for your work to TCFG members????
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuji Commander 700 |
It remains a shame that they were destroyed though, don't you think? I mean if
Apache's and other dubious craft could remain aloft and intact, who is this guy
to decide to destroy them? I guess he must've owned them or else he would have
been locked up. Any chance of getting a copy of the history? I would certainly
pay to get a copy, especially if it is signed by the author. :-)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
To: thall5(at)kc.rr.com
Cc: tcfg(at)listbot.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Fuji Commander 700
In a message dated 07/04/01 05:28:47 Pacific Daylight Time, thall5(at)kc.rr.com
writes:
Where is the History of Commanders paper that Morris and Leff and a few
others wrote some time ago? Wing Commander Gordon- Do you have a copy?
Uhhhh. Ummmmmm. Well, I hate to say this, but I wrote the History of the
Aero Commander.
It was with Morris Kernick's help and I thank him for the initial input. I
self published (not a sophisticated deal, it was desk-top published and
cranked out by Kinko's) and Dick Wartinger has been my exclusive distributor
since around 1993 or 1994.
As far as your report on the Commander 700, you were quite good -- except you
oversated how well they flew after being run over by a steam roller.
I quote: "Some lawyer decided that the unsold units were to be destroyed
after removing the engines and avionics. Then they drove a steam roller over
the airframes.They are reported to fly well, but were no improvements in
performance over older Twin Commanders."
The never really flew that well, before or after.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: History of Commanders |
In a message dated 07/04/01 20:51:53 Pacific Daylight Time, thall5(at)kc.rr.com
writes:
> Wing Commander,
> Since I do not own a copy of your History, I did not know who wrote it.
> How much do you charge for your work to TCFG members????
>
Son, if you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Seriously,
Dick Wartinger was a gentleman enough to actually buy the History book from
me years and years ago, to give away to prospective customers. It's an
advertising cost for him and he pays me what amounts to an honorarium plus
printing and shipping cost.
In turn, I honor him and let him distribute the booklets.
It should be said that every now and then I look at the work and cringe
because there have been many changes since I first put it out and the booklet
itself was done on the very best 300 dpi scanners and printers that existed
at the time. What a long way we've come.
Sir Barry and I talk about a revised edition, adding his excellent research
and all new photos.
I intend to add more about Ted Smith, as I have since come up with some great
biographical material on him.
When will this happen? I don't know.
But as a very small consolation prize, I am going to post a Word document to
the website that is a table that I created a long time ago on the piston
models.
Someone asked me about it a while back and it kind of slipped through my
fingers, or mind, or whatever.
Chris will let us know when it's ready to view at the website.
Oh - I don't think there's any AC-700 details on it. Sorry. I'll
immediately go to a Sushi bar and eat some slimy, squiggly, wiggly, icky
stuff as a penance.
Mike Macosko and Dennis Polito will see to it.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
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Hey Gang, Thanks for the words of support! Not sick,just had the ole back
broken in eight places in 1977 and the nerves are coming into contact with
some bone spurs and fragments.Should'nt be anything major but just incase I
hoped you guys will help me find her a home with someone who would treat her
like the Lady she is! Thanks again AL
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| Subject: | FujiCommander 700 |
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God Bless America!!!
Let's get a reply from a pilot who actually flew the AC-700.
The only corporate 700 that I knew about, was owned and flow professionally
by The Golden Rule Insurance Company, Indianapolis Indiana.
On more than one occasion, I parked beside the AC-700 while @ (DCA)...then
Washington National. No mention of Ronald R.
Seems like the N# was N--GR.
Oh by the way, specialized N# 's have a 30% greater accident rate than the
factory reserved N# 's... (FYI)
Fly Safe,
Gary Tillman
www.flysafeinsurance.com
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Mr. Reed.
I called you 3 times this am.
Paged you 3 times this pm.
Thanks
GT
what is your fax number?
try the value of the aircraft x 3%
$500 for the liability.
If you have your instrument rating the rate will below 2%
If you're willing to fly with me, for approval, the rate will be lower.
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| Subject: | Re: insurance / FAR 61.15 |
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Dr. Milt:
Thanks for the good word.
You are progressing as desired by the underwriters. Keep up the good work.
I had a Track coach in College who repeated the words "Train Smart...Train
Hard"
Please fax a copy of your training certificate. Continue to TRAIN.
I spoke with the airport manager this am.
He will support a "fly-in" at the Rome, Ga airport.
We have a large hangar in case of rain, and have the approval for a large
tent at the end of the ramp for cooking etc...Rooms will not be a problem if
desired. Rome Georgia is wet... FAR 61.15 (the most common reason general
aviation pilots have there pilot privileges suspended) you must report the
DUI etc...read this...
The best time will be in the fall...It's 93 degrees today.
Let me know and I'll facilitate the meeting (I'll do the grunt work) if there
is enough interest.
Milt, there seems to be a know it all attitude among the Commander Group.
I, along with several others, suggest a TRAINING MEETING with a MEII who has
great knowledge of the Commander series. Emergencies etc...Along with a
Mechanic, with Commander experience...
Fly Safe,
Gary Tillman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk <Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk> |
Hello Group,
I hope you'll all allow me to explain a few things to those of you who
haven't hit the delete button already, given the fact that you've seen who
sent this, and are quickly donning your bullet-proof vests.
Firstly, I'm going to do one of two things. Either I program the 'Send'
button so that only the wife can use it, after she's verified what I'm
saying is right and proper. Or, I get a monkey as a pet and get him, or
her, to do it. It will probably have more common sense than I seem to have
been given.
Secondly, I've allowed myself to get far too passionate about Commanders.
Far, far, far, too passionate. I should have got myself a hobby which is
more appropriate to being domiciled here in the UK. You see, we've got so
few over here, my only chance of seeing, photographing them, and meeting
owners is to use up my hard-earned cash on getting to the US of A, where I
mistakenly anticipate seeing dozens and dozens at Fly-Ins. I should have
learnt my lesson by now. Each year, I dream that the Fly-In is going to be
different and each year I get disappointed. This year disappointment turned
into depression. I don't know why, but I thought this year was going to be
different. A monkey has more common sense than I.
Anyway, not to be out-flown, distance-wise, by Messrs Conannon & Otaola,
I'll be at Hillsboro. Actually, that was never in doubt. If was just me &
Capt Jimbob, I know the trip would be worthwhile. Plus, of course, meeting
Kevin McCullough again, and getting to know the other guys at Aero Air.
Thanks to Wing Commander Gordon, John Vormbaum, Buddy Windham and others,
for reminding me what I'm about.
I made some rather churlish remarks, admittedly in a fit of pique, and I'm
sorry.
I'm sorry for most of the remarks I posted, but certainly not sorry for the
underlying reason I made them. Thankfully, a number of you have held up
your hands and acknowledged that things could have been better handled.
I know that a good number of you are busy people, who have taken the risk
of building up a business in order to provide a good way of life, and that
business cannot be neglected incase it goes down the pan. I've got nothing
but admiration for people who do that and that's why you've got a Commander
and I haven't. No, that's not sour grapes, it is genuine admiration. If I
choose to work 9-5 for a set income, that's my choice - but I'm happy with
it!
Now, I'm not launching another Exocet missile, but I'd just like to pose a
few thoughts for you to mull over.
Firstly, Jim has taken over the unenviable task of running the Flight
Group. It wasn't as if he started it and was going to build it up. That
would be starting a point zero. He's actually taken on a Group starting at
minus one hundred, so he's got to re-build up to point zero even before he
can even get into a plus situation. I wonder how many people would be
prepared to take that on. Not many. I'm not having another 'pop' here, but
I'm not very good with words and this is the only way I can think of
putting it. One reason said for not being able to attend is 'I'm too busy'.
Aren't we fortunate then, that Jim isn't too busy to take the time and
trouble to go and sit down with TCAC, FAA et al to resolve issues like the
dreaded sump; organise a Fly-In; and produce a magazine for us all to
enjoy. I know that Jim will probably not thank me for this unsolicited
blowing of his trumpet, but he'll never blow his own, he's too nice a guy.
He'll think that you'll all think he's asked me to say it. He hasn't! What
a pity that more of you find it impossible to get to the location known as
Hillsboro, to thank him in person and shake his hand. He doesn't expect you
to do that, of course, but oh boy, would it give him a buzz!
I know, to my cost, that trying to organise an event for the benefit of
others is an absolute minefield. As they say, 'you can please some of the
people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time'. Jim
explained earlier this year of the reasons for choosing Hillsboro, and he
was exactly right. He obviously needed to be on the spot, to make sure
things ran smoothly, rather than organise something 2,000 miles away, and
there had never been a Fly-In on the West Coast before.
In future, to get your registration form (and cash!) to Jim well before the
event is essential. Firstly, it helps prevent him running YOUR Group out of
HIS back pocket. Secondly, he will have a reasonable chance of making sure
the event runs smoothly. Surely, you can see that turning up on the day is
not conducive to a successful event. In fact, it will have exactly the
reverse effect. Those who registered well in advance will probably have
their food & drink scoffed, and their seats taken, by ones who may well not
have paid anything! Word then later gets around that the event was 'badly
organised'! Also, if people ask Jim how many are signed up, there is a good
chance they will attend too, if the figures look reasonable. The snowball
syndrome kicks in. Jim said, that other than me, I think a couple of people
made enquiries this year as to how many were coming. I've no doubt they
were guys who attended the last couple of Fly-Ins of the 'old' TCFG, which
were poorly attended. It was embarrassing seeing tables and chairs set out
for 50-60 people, with about 10 people in attendance. It just didn't send
out the right signal. One didn't get that warm fuzzy feelgood factor thing.
OK, if there's only a dozen of us there this year, but no spare seats, that
at least looks full up! So, next time Jim asks us to get our registration
forms in, let's do it, and do it promptly.
I'm living with the vision that one year, we'll get at least twenty
Commanders to one of the Fly-Ins and the event will then have a good chance
of becoming self-perpetuating. When owners read reports of a reasonably
large gathering, I'm hoping they'll feel they missed out on something
rather special and will be champing at the bit to get to the next one. I
wonder if my dream will ever become a reality.
I know, I'm selfish. I thought, I don't care what it takes, you should all
attend these events, so I can meet you all, get loads and loads of
photographs of these magnificent aircraft, with little regard to the
logistics of you getting there; how much it costs you; and your business
getting neglected. But, when our NHS waiting list permits, I will have the
labotomy done and I'll be a more sane person. Or, perhaps William Peper, if
I nip down to Waco - you could do it? (Bill is a chest & heart surgeon, for
those who haven't had the pleasure of meeting him).
Incidentally, none of you will have an excuse next year, rather, hopefully
next year. I'm working on an STC that, when fitted to your Commander, will
transport it at no cost, and in no time, from wherever you are to wherever
the Fly-In is. It's in the early stages of development, and there are a few
teething troubles to overcome, but if all goes well, I can sell it for
about $5-10. I'm going to call it Will Power.
Anyway, Jim, Chris & Max Schuermann, Milt Concannon, Ricardo Otaola, John
Vormbaum, Morris Kernick (how did he get the 'Yoda' tag ?), Paul Odum,
Barry Hancock and myself (plus Bob & Sonnie Murdock and Wayne Brutger?) are
going to have what Jim calls 'a Blast' at Hillsboro. If anybody else wants
to join us 'on the day', then of course, you're most welcome. But, PLEASE
bring your own seating, food and drink - what's going to be there is spoken
for !!
If you've read down this far, well done, and thanks for bearing with me.
Very Best Regards to You All,
Barry (the Bulldog) Collman
P.S. I've had better weekends than that last one. Tim Henman lost at
Wimbledon; the British Lions got mauled in Oz; and they beat us out of
sight at cricket too. Can someone please tell us one thing we're actually
good at doing, besides running an election?
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| Subject: | Re: An explanation |
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In a message dated 07/10/01 06:12:50 Pacific Daylight Time,
Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk writes:
> Can someone please tell us one thing we're actually
> good at doing, besides running an election?
>
Certainly. The Brits are much better at history than Americans. After
reading your post, I'd say you're much better at future, as well.
Thanks for launching your Verbal Exocet at us, Sir Barry. You're spot on,
(as we say over here) and although I'm sure a few featheres will be ruffled,
the truth is, well, it was the truth.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | Bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Barry's ass chewing |
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Well Gentlepersons,
X-42 to HIO is 15.2hrs and about 400 gallons of motion lotion ONE WAY.
(Milt there are points past GPT).
I have
1. a newly remodeled fuel s--p
2. a new right hand boost pump
3. spent nearly the same on the GM rolling stock in the garage this summer
4. just returned from the only vacation in 5 years
Sorry, I have no ass left for chewing. Suspenders will be next or butt
cleavage will result:)
JB I can say with great certainty. I would like to but can't make it.
Bill Bow
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To: ;
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: Barry's ass chewing
>
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>
> HI KIDS.........
>
> Well, what a firestorm!! First let me say that I am not whining
> about the lack of commitment from the group concerning the flyin. I know
> that everybody is busy and that summers are hectic. I had been asked by
> Barry and others just how many were "signed up" to attend and after a
couple
> of requests I finally had to stop stalling around and answer him. I know
> that many of you are planing to be there but just haven't taken time to
send
> the paperwork.
> Please don't be offended but I had to be truthful. It has however
caused
> me to rethink the whole flyin issue. Do you, as a group want an annual
> event?? Is this summer to soon?? Should we just plan on meeting each
year
> at the TCAC University, as a group, and spend a little time in the evening
> together?? Would someone else like to volunteer to plan the event??
> Look, I don't think the TCFG lives or dies by our flyin. Our group is
> growing and in the information age maybe we can get along without an
> organized event but I need to know that. If you really don't want to make
> time to attend then I really don't want you to feel like you were forced
to
> do so. The gathering should be fun or what's the point??
> I like the idea of getting together as a group and I have seen
positive
> things happen when a number of enthusiasts gather to exchange ideas, but
it
> wont kill our group not to have it.
> So, what will it be guys? I will be out a few hundred bucks in
deposits
> but it isn't the end of the world. This really is your group. I am only
> trying to facilitate your needs and wishes. If it is not your wish to
> gather, no hard feelings on my part (although I was looking forward to
> meeting many of you) I will move on to other important matters.
> If you do want to meet, I need to know that to. I know that it is
hard
> to make commitments in these fast paced times but imagine trying to plan
an
> event not knowing how many will be there. Do I tell the dinner guy to
plan
> on 5 or 50 people?? How many airplanes will be parking at Arlington on
> Sunday 5 or 50?? You can see that it is really hard for me to plan YOUR
> event if YOU wont commit.
> Anyway, please don't be hard on Barry. He is an amazing man and a
> wonderful asset to our group and to our airplanes, whether you are a
member
> of the TCFG or not. He is also a good friend.
> Please let me know what YOU want YOUR group to do concerning this and
> future events. Thanks to all. Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander
Flight
> Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: An explanation |
Saving the monarchy.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:11 AM
Subject: An explanation
>
>
> Hello Group,
>
> I hope you'll all allow me to explain a few things to those of you who
> haven't hit the delete button already, given the fact that you've seen who
> sent this, and are quickly donning your bullet-proof vests.
>
> Firstly, I'm going to do one of two things. Either I program the 'Send'
> button so that only the wife can use it, after she's verified what I'm
> saying is right and proper. Or, I get a monkey as a pet and get him, or
> her, to do it. It will probably have more common sense than I seem to have
> been given.
>
> Secondly, I've allowed myself to get far too passionate about Commanders.
> Far, far, far, too passionate. I should have got myself a hobby which is
> more appropriate to being domiciled here in the UK. You see, we've got so
> few over here, my only chance of seeing, photographing them, and meeting
> owners is to use up my hard-earned cash on getting to the US of A, where I
> mistakenly anticipate seeing dozens and dozens at Fly-Ins. I should have
> learnt my lesson by now. Each year, I dream that the Fly-In is going to be
> different and each year I get disappointed. This year disappointment
turned
> into depression. I don't know why, but I thought this year was going to be
> different. A monkey has more common sense than I.
>
> Anyway, not to be out-flown, distance-wise, by Messrs Conannon & Otaola,
> I'll be at Hillsboro. Actually, that was never in doubt. If was just me &
> Capt Jimbob, I know the trip would be worthwhile. Plus, of course, meeting
> Kevin McCullough again, and getting to know the other guys at Aero Air.
>
> Thanks to Wing Commander Gordon, John Vormbaum, Buddy Windham and others,
> for reminding me what I'm about.
>
> I made some rather churlish remarks, admittedly in a fit of pique, and I'm
> sorry.
>
> I'm sorry for most of the remarks I posted, but certainly not sorry for
the
> underlying reason I made them. Thankfully, a number of you have held up
> your hands and acknowledged that things could have been better handled.
>
> I know that a good number of you are busy people, who have taken the risk
> of building up a business in order to provide a good way of life, and that
> business cannot be neglected incase it goes down the pan. I've got nothing
> but admiration for people who do that and that's why you've got a
Commander
> and I haven't. No, that's not sour grapes, it is genuine admiration. If I
> choose to work 9-5 for a set income, that's my choice - but I'm happy with
> it!
>
> Now, I'm not launching another Exocet missile, but I'd just like to pose a
> few thoughts for you to mull over.
>
> Firstly, Jim has taken over the unenviable task of running the Flight
> Group. It wasn't as if he started it and was going to build it up. That
> would be starting a point zero. He's actually taken on a Group starting at
> minus one hundred, so he's got to re-build up to point zero even before he
> can even get into a plus situation. I wonder how many people would be
> prepared to take that on. Not many. I'm not having another 'pop' here, but
> I'm not very good with words and this is the only way I can think of
> putting it. One reason said for not being able to attend is 'I'm too
busy'.
> Aren't we fortunate then, that Jim isn't too busy to take the time and
> trouble to go and sit down with TCAC, FAA et al to resolve issues like the
> dreaded sump; organise a Fly-In; and produce a magazine for us all to
> enjoy. I know that Jim will probably not thank me for this unsolicited
> blowing of his trumpet, but he'll never blow his own, he's too nice a guy.
> He'll think that you'll all think he's asked me to say it. He hasn't! What
> a pity that more of you find it impossible to get to the location known as
> Hillsboro, to thank him in person and shake his hand. He doesn't expect
you
> to do that, of course, but oh boy, would it give him a buzz!
>
> I know, to my cost, that trying to organise an event for the benefit of
> others is an absolute minefield. As they say, 'you can please some of the
> people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time'. Jim
> explained earlier this year of the reasons for choosing Hillsboro, and he
> was exactly right. He obviously needed to be on the spot, to make sure
> things ran smoothly, rather than organise something 2,000 miles away, and
> there had never been a Fly-In on the West Coast before.
>
> In future, to get your registration form (and cash!) to Jim well before
the
> event is essential. Firstly, it helps prevent him running YOUR Group out
of
> HIS back pocket. Secondly, he will have a reasonable chance of making sure
> the event runs smoothly. Surely, you can see that turning up on the day is
> not conducive to a successful event. In fact, it will have exactly the
> reverse effect. Those who registered well in advance will probably have
> their food & drink scoffed, and their seats taken, by ones who may well
not
> have paid anything! Word then later gets around that the event was 'badly
> organised'! Also, if people ask Jim how many are signed up, there is a
good
> chance they will attend too, if the figures look reasonable. The snowball
> syndrome kicks in. Jim said, that other than me, I think a couple of
people
> made enquiries this year as to how many were coming. I've no doubt they
> were guys who attended the last couple of Fly-Ins of the 'old' TCFG, which
> were poorly attended. It was embarrassing seeing tables and chairs set out
> for 50-60 people, with about 10 people in attendance. It just didn't send
> out the right signal. One didn't get that warm fuzzy feelgood factor
thing.
> OK, if there's only a dozen of us there this year, but no spare seats,
that
> at least looks full up! So, next time Jim asks us to get our registration
> forms in, let's do it, and do it promptly.
>
> I'm living with the vision that one year, we'll get at least twenty
> Commanders to one of the Fly-Ins and the event will then have a good
chance
> of becoming self-perpetuating. When owners read reports of a reasonably
> large gathering, I'm hoping they'll feel they missed out on something
> rather special and will be champing at the bit to get to the next one. I
> wonder if my dream will ever become a reality.
>
> I know, I'm selfish. I thought, I don't care what it takes, you should all
> attend these events, so I can meet you all, get loads and loads of
> photographs of these magnificent aircraft, with little regard to the
> logistics of you getting there; how much it costs you; and your business
> getting neglected. But, when our NHS waiting list permits, I will have the
> labotomy done and I'll be a more sane person. Or, perhaps William Peper,
if
> I nip down to Waco - you could do it? (Bill is a chest & heart surgeon,
for
> those who haven't had the pleasure of meeting him).
>
> Incidentally, none of you will have an excuse next year, rather, hopefully
> next year. I'm working on an STC that, when fitted to your Commander, will
> transport it at no cost, and in no time, from wherever you are to wherever
> the Fly-In is. It's in the early stages of development, and there are a
few
> teething troubles to overcome, but if all goes well, I can sell it for
> about $5-10. I'm going to call it Will Power.
>
> Anyway, Jim, Chris & Max Schuermann, Milt Concannon, Ricardo Otaola, John
> Vormbaum, Morris Kernick (how did he get the 'Yoda' tag ?), Paul Odum,
> Barry Hancock and myself (plus Bob & Sonnie Murdock and Wayne Brutger?)
are
> going to have what Jim calls 'a Blast' at Hillsboro. If anybody else wants
> to join us 'on the day', then of course, you're most welcome. But, PLEASE
> bring your own seating, food and drink - what's going to be there is
spoken
> for !!
>
> If you've read down this far, well done, and thanks for bearing with me.
>
> Very Best Regards to You All,
>
> Barry (the Bulldog) Collman
>
> P.S. I've had better weekends than that last one. Tim Henman lost at
> Wimbledon; the British Lions got mauled in Oz; and they beat us out of
> sight at cricket too. Can someone please tell us one thing we're actually
> good at doing, besides running an election?
>
>
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>
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> responsible for any alterations made to this document, intentionally or
> otherwise after tranmission.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: An explanation |
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Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk wrote:
> Hello Group,
Barry,
I for one not only forgive you, but would like to express my
appreciation
for you "passion" for Commanders. If it wasn't for your efforts, most
of
the history of the Commander line would probably fade into oblivion.
Besides, a brief outburst from someone who has to drink warm beer, drive
cars that have lucas electrical systems, and eats mad cows is to be
expected from time-to-time :-)
Your comments (even when negative) are accepted and welcome as they come
from the heart of a person who has truely poured himself into a
honorable
task only for the love of the topic. I'd say that every point you've
made
has been completely valid and I take no offense whatsoever. I'm glad to
hear that you will be attending the flying. I am going to make very
effort
to be there myself even if I have to drive. Look forward to seeing
"whoever" shows!
Chris
PS: I branded Morris with the "Yoda" tag a long time back as a reference
to
the Star Wars character who was very wise. (okay, actually, the two of
them
DO kinda look alike and have similar personalities, but that wasn't the
point :-)
Yoda raised a downed ship from a swamp and I've seen Morris perform
comparable miracles as well...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: An explanation |
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Thanks for sticking around, Sir(if I can use your first name).
Do you know that in the UK they call Lucas Electric....... the Prince of
Darkness?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: An explanation
>
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>
> Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk wrote:
> > Hello Group,
>
> Barry,
> I for one not only forgive you, but would like to express my
> appreciation
> for you "passion" for Commanders. If it wasn't for your efforts, most
> of
> the history of the Commander line would probably fade into oblivion.
> Besides, a brief outburst from someone who has to drink warm beer, drive
> cars that have lucas electrical systems, and eats mad cows is to be
> expected from time-to-time :-)
> Your comments (even when negative) are accepted and welcome as they come
> from the heart of a person who has truely poured himself into a
> honorable
> task only for the love of the topic. I'd say that every point you've
> made
> has been completely valid and I take no offense whatsoever. I'm glad to
> hear that you will be attending the flying. I am going to make very
> effort
> to be there myself even if I have to drive. Look forward to seeing
> "whoever" shows!
>
> Chris
>
> PS: I branded Morris with the "Yoda" tag a long time back as a reference
> to
> the Star Wars character who was very wise. (okay, actually, the two of
> them
> DO kinda look alike and have similar personalities, but that wasn't the
> point :-)
> Yoda raised a downed ship from a swamp and I've seen Morris perform
> comparable miracles as well...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: An explanation |
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| Barry,
| I for one not only forgive you, but would like to express my appreciation
| for your "passion" for Commanders. If it wasn't for your efforts, most
| of the history of the Commander line would probably fade into oblivion.
|
| Besides, a brief outburst from someone who has to drink warm beer, drive cars
| that have Lucas electrical systems, and eats mad cows is to be expected from
time-to-time :-)
Thanks Chris, but I cannot hide under any of those excuses.
1. I don't drink any more. Well, I do, 'cos I get thirsty every now and again,
but not alcohol. Well, I do drink alcohol, but not much. Nothin' against it,
just got bored with it, having over-indulged until about 10 years ago. Don't
worry, I'll keep up with the best of them at Hillsboro !!
2. I drive an old Mercedes, so the electrics are not a problem. The problem is
towing my own fuel truck behind the car so I have enough gas to call on to get
to & from work. Also have a Securicor armored van on call to carry enough cash
to pay for the fuel when the fuel truck needs topping up.
3. Ah! Mad cow disease. Perhaps that is the problem. Of course, yes, that's why
I had a good 'beef' the other day.
I don't know whether you get our (old) TV program 'One Foot In The Grave' over
there, but my problem is that I'm getting more and more like Victor Meldrew as
each month passes. 'I don't believe it' - but her indoors (the Mrs) reckons it's
true!
| Your comments (even when negative) are accepted and welcome as they come
| from the heart of a person who has truely poured himself into a honorable
| task only for the love of the topic. I'd say that every point you've made
| has been completely valid and I take no offense whatsoever. I'm glad to
| hear that you will be attending the flying. I am going to make very effort
| to be there myself even if I have to drive. Look forward to seeing
| "whoever" shows!
|
| Chris
|
| PS: I branded Morris with the "Yoda" tag a long time back as a reference
| to the Star Wars character who was very wise. (okay, actually, the two of
| them DO kinda look alike and have similar personalities, but that wasn't the
| point :-) Yoda raised a downed ship from a swamp and I've seen Morris perform
| comparable miracles as well...
OK, I can understand that now. I must get out more.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: An explanation |
Hi bilbo!
|
| Thanks for sticking around, Sir(if I can use your first name).
|
| Do you know that in the UK they call Lucas Electric....... the Prince of
Darkness?
|
| bilbo
No, I didn't, but that's very funny.
Talking of 'funny', I've never heard before now that Lucas electrics were a
problem, and I've been driving since about 1964 ! Perhaps we exported all the
4pm Friday-built ones !! Either that or it rains so much over here, the dampness
actually helps keep the circuit intact? Nah! we use Bosch gear !!!
On the subject of driving:
If you're driving in the Indy 500 and make fifteen pit-stops, one for fuel and
fourteen to ask for directions, you might be a RED-NECKED COMMANDER PILOT!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
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Sorry for tieing up the line but someone(I hit the wrong button)asked where
I was moving to,Pensacola Fla.Also asked how I broke my back,all eight
places in one place(skid steer loader)Yhanks for asking. Al Oh,Milt just
sent me a photo of ETHEL? Loookin Goooood!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MRPOULIN27(at)aol.com <MRPOULIN27(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | "Blast" at Hillsboro |
Sir Barry and Gang!
I don't think you can ever be too passionate. Ever.
Since becoming a member of TCFG, and reading about Commanders and yall's experiences,
the flame burns stronger than ever. I've been reading "Flying Magazine"
since I was 14. I am now 39. That's 25 years of anxiously waiting to earn
my wings. After busting my a** for the last 17 years trying to build a company,
I am now ready to do so. Time to smell the roses.
The purchase of my AC 685 from Dick MacCoon will be final within a week to ten
days, and I can't even fly it. I know "bass ackwards"; just counldn't wait.
Hopefully by fall :-) !!!
Anyway, I'm trying to get my instuctor to fly us and our girlfriends to Hillsboro.
I know. . . wrong seat. Right Plane though!
If that doesn't work out, is there anyone out there willing to fly left seat?
Myrtle Beach, SC to Hillsboro, OR. Anyone !?! And if so, maybe Sir Barry would
like to join us? (Barry, all you need is a ticket to MYR) I look forward
too meeting as many of you as possible.
Is there anyone else sitting on the fence? I hope you can make it!
With warmest regards, Mark
Mark R. Poulin
3946 Wachesaw Centre
POB 1222
Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
WK(843)357-3199
FX(843)357-1098
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ME checkride |
Re: ME checkrideWhat is this, like a hole-in-one thing for golf? I think somebody
owes ME a beer, since I easily sweated out a 12-pack on my ball-busting FAA-accompanied
checkride! That's another story I have to put together. The FAA was
testing my Examiner while on my IFR checkride. Pucker-factor of 9.5!!!!!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: Milt
To: Barry Hancock ; John Vormbaum ; commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: ME checkride
If I remember correctly its those who pass the checkride that should be buying
Corona's for the rest of us.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: John Vormbaum ; commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: ME checkride
Deal!
Barry, congratulations!
Get to northern CA and I'll supply you with a Corona myself!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander chat address |
I have 2 commander chat addresses one contains skymaster one doesnt which is correct?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
>
>jean jean-ph wrote:
> >
> > we have a plane aero commander to sell
>
>I'll pass this along to the group.
>
>Chris
thank you chris i can give you more info
aero commander inc bethany okla
manufactures model 680 fl
manuf serial number 1355-34
type cert2-a-4
production certificate 203
engine type igso-540bia
mfrs air assn plate no 286812
best regards jean pierre
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS...................
I hate to be a bother but I REALLY need to get your registration
form in. I know that several of you are planing to come, but no form. I am
working on name tags and will need to have the information soon. Thanks.
Thanks Buddy and Kerry Windham, got yours today, sorry you wont be
bringing the 560E but it will be great to meet you.
Thanks to all................jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JETPAUL(at)aol.com <JETPAUL(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A bit of history |
Was that sump joke from Von Braum??? or Vorbaum????
If you got that one just listen to the next one.
I was reading Aviation Leak (intended) and Space Technology yesterday, and it
seams that the Shuttle DID INDEED have a fuel sump A.D.
They are modifying all of the fuel pumps on the shuttle from a welded (100
total welds in all) to a cast piece that weighs 300 pounds more, but should
prove to be 80% more reliable!!!!
Paul (and you thought I was an unlernt [intended again] RNCP!!) Reason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JETPAUL(at)aol.com <JETPAUL(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: interruption |
Hey Chris, I too am a BMW FANATIC. But since I am also a RNCP you must at
least try to explain to your wife that a 2 Cylinder "POPPIN JOHN" is worth
more than a 94 540I Sport package with a 6 speed!!!!! And therefore worthy
of the garage space!! Any failure on your part to do so will result in your
being "CUT OFF" from the "NO NAME" that Allen has!!!!!
Can I get an A-MEN for a John Deer??? O.K. let's be politically correct here
also, since there is also one female member. Can I also have an A-WOMEN!!!!
Paul (its not my fault, I grew up on a farm) Reason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JETPAUL(at)aol.com <JETPAUL(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Heeeee'SSS trippin |
Hey Allen!!!! maybe best to not email the whole group after a night of "NO
NAME"!!!
Just remember to save some for me at the Rome Fly in!!!!!
As Jimmy Buffet would say: "like cool honey dew vine water trickling off the
vine!!"
"IF YOU ARE PAYING 210/HOUR DRY JUST TO GET TO FLY A COMMANDER.......YOU
MIGHT BE A RNCP!!!"
Paul (my wife is about to leave me over this airplane!!) Reason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A bit of history |
Paul,
"My bad" on that joke...
Um, I think I have one of those welded fuel pumps in my 500B. Well, it
doesn't have that many welds, but I seem to remember it costing about the
same as the Shuttle's fuel pump...
/John
PS: If I could only find some of that 100LL-distilled-in-a-chevy-radiator
Shuttle fuel, I'd be a RNCP too....
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
To: ;
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: A bit of history
> Was that sump joke from Von Braum??? or Vorbaum????
>
> If you got that one just listen to the next one.
>
> I was reading Aviation Leak (intended) and Space Technology yesterday, and
it
> seams that the Shuttle DID INDEED have a fuel sump A.D.
>
> They are modifying all of the fuel pumps on the shuttle from a welded (100
> total welds in all) to a cast piece that weighs 300 pounds more, but
should
> prove to be 80% more reliable!!!!
>
> Paul (and you thought I was an unlernt [intended again] RNCP!!) Reason
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AOPA ePilot Newsletter <aopa_news(at)aopa.org> |
| Subject: | AOPA ePilot -- Vol. 3, Issue 30 |
AOPA ePilot--Vol. 3, Issue 29
Departments
Inside AOPA
On Capitol Hill
Airport Support Network
ASF News
Quiz Me!
2001 Bonanza
Sweepstakes
ePilot Calendar
Weekend Weather
Eclipse announces airplane, schedule changes
Piper revamps customer service system
UPSAT adds Jepp approach charts to MX20
AOPA continues fight as UWB decision nears
Volume 3, Issue 30
July 27, 2001
GA News
FINANCIAL WOES STRESS MOONEY, CEO RESIGNS
While Mooney Aircraft Company representatives are in Oshkosh to sell
airplanes, more than $300,000 in overdue local taxes await them in Kerrville,
Texas, where the company is based. In addition, Mooney President and CEO Chris
Dopp has resigned; no reason was given for his departure. A company official
told ePilot that Mooney has reduced its workforce from 220 to 150 employees
through furloughs. But the local newspaper, The Kerrville Daily Times, reported
Wednesday that 85 percent of the workforce was furloughed, citing anonymous
company sources. The official said the company plans to negotiate a tax repayment
plan by a July 31 deadline, and that Mooney will continue to build and sell
airplanes.
ECLIPSE ANNOUNCES AIRPLANE, SCHEDULE CHANGES
Eclipse Aviation ended several months of public silence on the progress
of its six-place Eclipse 500 light twinjet with several announcements at
EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh, including some exterior refinements, updated instrument
panel and interior configurations--and a revised timetable for first flight,
FAA certification, and first customer deliveries. First flight of the Eclipse
500 is now scheduled to take place in July 2002, one month later than originally
planned. FAA certification slips to December 2003, with first customer
delivery in January 2004. "What we've done is restructure the program to get the
first airplane in the air," said Eclipse CEO Vern Raburn. Eclipse will start
cutting metal for the first airplane this September and begin assembly in November.
For more on this story, see AOPA Online.
PIPER REVAMPS CUSTOMER SERVICE SYSTEM
The New Piper Aircraft has launched an initiative to revamp how the
company treats its customers. The first phase of the eight-step program was implemented
July 16. It is a computerized customer response system called PULSE,
for Piper Unlimited Liaison via Standards of Excellence, and is based on a software
tracking program developed by Seibel Systems. "What we are launching today
is nothing less than the new face of Piper, as it will be seen in the future
by our customers and the world," Piper President and CEO Chuck Suma said.
The system will be expanded over the course of the next year. Every Piper employee
will have access to data on any individual customer's requests or service
problems. Eventually each customer will have a customized Web page. Officials
said the system will bring service levels in the general aviation aircraft industry
up to the s
UPSAT ADDS JEPP APPROACH CHARTS TO MX20
UPS Aviation Technologies (UPSAT) announced upgrades to its popular
MX20 multifunction display that will let pilots view Jeppesen instrument approach
charts, terminal area charts, and airport surface charts on the MX20's moving
map display. These new display functions, called Chart View, will automatically
display charts appropriate to various phases of flight. The Chart View
upgradeavailable September 1is priced at $2,495, but early subscribers will
get a $500 discount. Jeppesen database updates to support Chart View will have
an initial cost of $126; the annual revision service (a CD-ROM update every 14
days) is priced at $839 per year. The CD-ROM will also let subscribers print
hard copies of approach charts and surface charts.
eBAY CREATES AVIATION SECTION
eBay, which claims to be the world's largest online marketplace, has
realized the importance of aviation. The company announced that it is creating
an aviation category on its Web site for airplanes, parts, and memorabilia.
Also, eBay said that a special auction will take place on August 6 that will
include a Cessna 182 once owned by the late John F. Kennedy Jr., a de Havilland
Vampire owned by John Travolta, and the helicopter that was used in the TV show
"Airwolf." For a preview, see the Web site.
COMM1 LAUNCHES AVIATION SCHOLARSHIPS
Planning for a career in aviation? Need scholarship money? E-publishing
Group has announced the new Comm1 Aviation Scholarship Program for aspiring
aviators. Two $1,000 scholarships are being offered to raise awareness of the
importance of pilot communication skills by the company, which produces interactive
radio communication simulators. The application deadline is October 1.
The winners will be announced at AOPA Expo 2001 in November. For more information
and an application, see the Web site.
See AOPA Online for more EAA AirVenture coverage, or for daily news
updates.
Inside AOPA
FAA REWRITES AIRPORT SECURITY RULE
The FAA recently completed a 15-year effort to revise FAR Part 107,
which covers security requirements for airports. Generally, the rule's security
access control mandates affect AOPA members based at or conducting operations
to the nearly 300 airports served by airlines using passenger aircraft of 60
seats or more. It is important that GA aircraft operations not be adversely
impacted as the revised regulation and the associated requirements for badges,
security training, and background checks are incorporated into airport security
programs over the next two years. AOPA staff is working to educate the FAA
about the differences in the use of GA areas at Part 107 airports compared to
those used by the airlines, and will respond at specific airports where attempts
are made to inappropriately restrict GA access.
AOPA CONTINUES FIGHT AS UWB DECISION NEARS
In the latest effort to curb an onerous rulemaking proposal, AOPA has
joined a coalition of 38 other groups from a wide range of industries to oppose
a Federal Communication Commission (FCC) proposal to allow unlicensed uses
of ultra-wideband (UWB) radio technology. The coalition recently submitted a
letter to top government officials urging them to mitigate any harmful effects.
AOPA recently learned that the FCC intends to issue a final rule by the end
of the year for UWB. The proposal would allow for the further expansion of wireless
communications where UWB developers would not need to obtain licenses.
But the aviation, cellular, and satellite communications industries have raised
concerns about potential interference with communication and navigation frequencies
if there isn't adequate regulation. Of particular concern is the possible
effect on GPS signals that could present dangers for pilots. See
FAA COMMITS TO PHASED APPROACH FOR DRVSM
In response to concerns expressed by AOPA and other representatives
of the general aviation community, the FAA has agreed to phase in domestic reduced
vertical separation minima (DRVSM) operations and airspace. The first phase
will commence by December 2004, impacting aircraft that fly between Flight
Level 350 and FL390. Although the ultimate goal is to lower DRVSM to FL290, AOPA
was concerned that doing so would create a hardship for many operators who
wouldn't have time to comply. The FAA has not set a date for the second phase
that includes altitudes of FL290 and above. See AOPA Onlline.
AOPA WELCOMES CORLISS EFFECT
AOPA has appointed Brian H. Corliss as its Northeast regional representative.
Corliss will represent AOPA in Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New
Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, and Vermont. "Brian comes from a New England
aviation family," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "His passion for aviation
and the region, plus his experience working with government agencies and state
legislatures, make him uniquely qualified to represent the interests of general
aviation pilots in the Northeast." A former pilot for the FBI, Corliss currently
owns and operates Corliss Associates, which provides commercial aviation
services including aerial survey and photography services. Corliss owns a
Cessna Cardinal RG and has more than 4,000 hours flying experience.
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On Capitol Hill
SHOOTDOWN RESTRICTIONS ARE ADDED TO BILL
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) added an amendment this week to the Foreign
Operations Appropriations bill (H.R.2506), cutting $65 million from the
bill's $676 million for expected aid to Peru unless the secretary of state submits
to Congress a full report on the April 20 shootdown of an aircraft carrying
American missionaries in the country. The provision also stipulates that the
secretaries of state and defense and the director of the CIA certify to Congress
that the force-down program will include safeguards to prevent the occurrence
of any similar incident. Over the past 15 years, AOPA has opposed proposed
changes in policy authorizing the shoot-down or force-down of civil aircraft
here and abroad. After the April 20 incident, AOPA President Phil Boyer submitted
testimony to Congress condemning the use of deadly force against civilian
aircraft. See AOPA Online.
AOPA, CONGRESSMAN OPPOSE BAN ON FISH SPOTTERS
Responding to a proposed amendment to the Senate Commerce-Justice-State
(C-J-S) Appropriations bill (S.1215) that would prohibit the Department of
Commerce from issuing licenses for aerial fish spotters, AOPA sent a letter
Monday requesting that senators resist adding this provision to the bill. Rep.
James Hansen (R-Utah), an AOPA member, also sent a letter to the C-J-S subcommittee,
asking its chairman to oppose any efforts to add such language to any
Senate appropriations bill. The proposed amendment would maintain the prohibition
against use of aircraft in Atlantic bluefin tuna fishing. The amendment's
intent is to reduce competition among fishery participants. AOPA, along with some
environmental and conservation groups, believes that spotter aircraft play
a crucial environmental role by directing fisherman away from undersized tuna.
See AOPA Online.
Airport Support Network
VOLUNTEER OF THE WEEKPAUL DeVORE
Paul DeVore is taking to the air to promote general aviation. DeVore,
who is the AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer for Morgantown Municipal-Walter
L. Bill Hart Field in West Virginia, departs September 7 on his solo flight
to 34 states, a distance of 7,778 nautical miles. At each airport, he will
talk with other ASN volunteers and airport managers about ways to promote GA.
He also will be promoting Scholarship Challenge, a program designed to create
aviation education and training scholarships.
To learn more about the Airport Support Network, visit AOPA Online.
AOPA Air Safety Foundation News
ASF BOXES TWO POPULAR SEMINARS
Two of the AOPA Air Safety Foundation's most popular live safety seminars,
"Collision Avoidance" and "GPS for VFR Operations," are now available
as prepackaged Seminar-in-a-Box programs for small groups. ASF Seminar-in-a-Box
programs provide fast-paced, riveting safety information for pilots who are
unable to attend ASF safety seminars that take place regularly throughout the
country. Programs include the same information presented in the live seminars,
and features videos, safety pamphlets, and a presenter's guide. Evaluation forms
and door prizes complete the package. Although all Seminar-in-a-Box programs
are free to aviation safety counselors, flying clubs, and other organized
aviation groups, there is a $24.95 charge for shipping and handling. These seminars
satisfy the safety meeting requirements of the FAA's "Wings" safety program.
To order, see AOPA Online.
Quiz Me!
Heres a question asked by an AOPA member last week of our AOPA technical
specialists. Test your knowledge.
Question: I'm planning a flight that will take me through restricted
and alert airspace. What do I have to do for clearance through the restricted
airspace and do I have to do anything, besides staying extra vigilant, when
flying through the alert airspace?
Answer: To gain clearance through restricted airspace, a pilot should
contact the controlling agency that is listed in the border of the sectional
chart, which will grant or deny access depending on what activities are taking
place. In alert airspace, the pilot should exercise extreme vigilance because
of the high volume of aerial activity. AOPA offers information on the status
of special use airspace (SUA) on AOPA Online.
Got a technical question for AOPA specialists? Call 800/872-2672 or
e-mail to inforequest(at)aopa.org. Send comments on our Quiz Me! questions to epilot(at)aopa.org.
AOPA Sweepstakes Bonanza Update
AOPA Pilot Editor at Large Thomas A. Horne flies the 2001 AOPA Sweepstakes
Bonanza to Oshkosh in our latest project update. Take a look at the gauges
to see for yourself how this aluminum rocket performs. See AOPA Online.
On The Road To Expo
The AOPA Air Safety Foundation will host a golf tournament on November
7 called "Score for GA Safety." The tournament will take place at the Palm
Aire Country Club in Pompano Beach, Florida, one day prior to AOPA Expo 2001
in nearby Fort Lauderdale. It begins with lunch at noon, followed by a 1 p.m.
shotgun start. There are several prizes and all proceeds will directly benefit
ASF's mission of promoting general aviation safety, education, research, and
training. Click here to register or become a sponsor. For more on Expo, see AOPA
Online.
What's New At AOPA Online
The AOPA Airport Support Network's Where Will You Land Tomorrow? brochure
is now available on AOPA Online. Click here to download.
ePilot Calendar
WEEKEND FLYING DESTINATIONS
Broomfield, Colorado. The Jeffco Airport Open House Fly-In 2001 takes
place August 4 at Jeffco Airport (BJC). Call 303/466-2314 for event information.
Fort Wayne, Indiana. The sixtieth annual Air Expo takes place August
4 and 5 at Fort Wayne International Airport (FWA). Call 219/747-4146 for event
information.
Norridgewock, Maine. The "Everything That Flies" Fly-In takes place
August 4 and 5 at Central Maine Regional Airport (OWK). Call 207/634-5351 for
event information.
FLYING DESTINATIONS IN YOUR AREA CHINO, CALIFORNIA. The Planes of Fame
Air Museum at Chino Airport (CNO) presents a flight demonstration of the Grumman
F-6F Hellcat August 4. Call 909/597-3722 for event information.
For more airport details, see AOPA's Airport Directory Online. For
more events, see Aviation Calendar of Events
ASF SAFETY SEMINARS
The next AOPA ASF Safety Seminars are scheduled in East Windsor, Connecticut,
August 6 ("Fuel Awareness"); Andover, Massachusetts, August 8 ("Fuel
Awareness"); Portsmouth, New Hampshire, August 9 ("Fuel Awareness"); Troy, Michigan,
August 10 and 11 ("Single Pilot IFR," "Weather Tactics," and "Weather
Strategies"). See AOPA Online for more information.
ASF FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR REFRESHER CLINICS
(All clinics start at 7:30 a.m.)
The next AOPA Air Safety Foundation Flight Instructor Refresher Clinics
are scheduled in Newark, New Jersey; Allentown, Pennsylvania; and Dallas,
Texas, August 4 and 5. For the Flight Instructor Refresher Clinic schedule, see
AOPA Online.
ASF PINCH-HITTER GROUND-SCHOOL COURSES
(Pinch-Hitter courses start at 9:30 a.m.)
The next Pinch-Hitter Ground School will take place August 5 in Allentown,
Pennsylvania. For more Pinch-Hitter courses, see AOPA Online.
For comments on calendar items or to make submissions, contact Julie
S. Walker at julie.walker(at)aopa.org.
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: interruption |
Um, "Nothing Runs Like a DEERE."
See, I could be an Honorary Southerner!
/John
PS: I've owned 4 BMW's. What other car could make driving nearly as safe as
flying?
PPS: I'm angry at BMW. Did you guys (and 1 gal at least) hear about BMW
trying to ground the Vickers Vimy (which is based at my lovely girlfriend's
field in Novato, CA) so they couldn't get to Oshkosh? SHAME!!! Lucky for us
U.S. lawyers seem to be better, I hear the Vimy made it....
PPPS: I got a ride in a '01 BMW M5, it could chirp 3rd gear at about 70mph,
I think the speed made my hairline recede even more.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
To: ;
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: interruption
> Hey Chris, I too am a BMW FANATIC. But since I am also a RNCP you must
at
> least try to explain to your wife that a 2 Cylinder "POPPIN JOHN" is worth
> more than a 94 540I Sport package with a 6 speed!!!!! And therefore
worthy
> of the garage space!! Any failure on your part to do so will result in
your
> being "CUT OFF" from the "NO NAME" that Allen has!!!!!
>
> Can I get an A-MEN for a John Deer??? O.K. let's be politically correct
here
> also, since there is also one female member. Can I also have an
A-WOMEN!!!!
>
> Paul (its not my fault, I grew up on a farm) Reason
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: interruption |
John Vormbaum wrote:
> PPS: I'm angry at BMW. Did you guys (and 1 gal at least) hear about BMW
> trying to ground the Vickers Vimy (which is based at my lovely girlfriend's
> field in Novato, CA) so they couldn't get to Oshkosh? SHAME!!!
Yea, that one really burned me. I have always held BMW in the highest
regard. When the crew building the Vickers was having such a difficult
time trying to power the beast, BMW stepped up to the plate and designed
them a custom engine based upon their existing 5L V-12 auto motor
with a custom gearbox. How many other companies would have (could have)
done that. The Vickers guys have been flying this thing all over the
world, but they get to the US and BMW-NA's legal staff hacks a furball
over the "potential liability" issues and slaps the owners with a court
order to not fly as well as arranging for a surprise FAA airworthiness
inspection (which they passed)!.
I both called and wrote to BMW expressing my EXTREME displeasure with
their actions. No doubt it was some small contingent of small-minded
lawyers on an ego trip that started this, but it should have been axed
at the top levels.
Y'all know that the BMW logo represents an aircraft prop right? BMW
started life as an aircraft engine company.
....done ranting now....
chris
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| From: | Mark Woodley <woodlema(at)earthlink.net> |
You might Be a Red neck commander pilot if you spend $16,000.00 to repaint
your commander John Deer Green and apply for the tail number NJDEER and
put a bumper sticker on the fusalage that says, My other plane is a John
Deer.
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| From: | N700PF(at)aol.com <N700PF(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS...
Just seeing if the new computer that my wife gave me for my birthday
(yesterday) Hope all is well with everybody jb
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| From: | N700PF(at)aol.com <N700PF(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS..........
We have some more confirmed attendees. Al Thalmeir of Toppenish, WA
will be there. He owns a 680E and I hope he will be bringing it. Also, Mike
and Randi Macocko from Vas Vegas will also be there. They are looking to buy
their first Commander and have become good friends with "Wing Commander
Gordon."
Also, Uris Frey is our newest TCFG member. He flies a 500 A with all the
right stuff and less that 3000TT!! Welcome!!
lousy weather here in SEA no good for open cockpit biplane fides :-(
Have a great weekend all jb
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| From: | w.bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
I prefer to cruise behind the "Gun Site", the Star and the Wreath.(here we
go again)
bilbo
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| From: | Andrew Foss <afoss(at)caw.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MORE ATTENDEES |
I'll be coming from the Bay Area, bringing Yoda. If anyone else would like to
ride w/ us, let me know!
andrew
N700PF(at)aol.com wrote:
> HI KIDS..........
>
> We have some more confirmed attendees. Al Thalmeir of Toppenish, WA
> will be there. He owns a 680E and I hope he will be bringing it. Also, Mike
> and Randi Macocko from Vas Vegas will also be there. They are looking to buy
> their first Commander and have become good friends with "Wing Commander
> Gordon."
> Also, Uris Frey is our newest TCFG member. He flies a 500 A with all the
> right stuff and less that 3000TT!! Welcome!!
> lousy weather here in SEA no good for open cockpit biplane fides :-(
> Have a great weekend all jb
>
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MORE ATTENDEES |
Ok Gang, I am coming.
JB, send me the form to fill out. E-mail or fax it.
I need a ride from the Midwest. I will buy tanks of gas to any Twin
Commander going by.
I do not want to ride the airlines.
I know where to buy self service AVGAS at good rates.
I am in the Kansas City area. There are several airports around here that
have low cost gas.
Call me.
I saw a quote in a book that said that if you fly the airlines through a hub
less than 500 miles, you average travel will be between 50 and 60 mile per
hour from your home to return. You could drive it faster.
What a great argument for owning an airplane.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Foss [mailto:afoss(at)caw.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 11:12 AM
To: N700PF(at)aol.com
Cc: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Subject: Re: MORE ATTENDEES
I'll be coming from the Bay Area, bringing Yoda. If anyone else would like
to
ride w/ us, let me know!
andrew
N700PF(at)aol.com wrote:
> HI KIDS..........
>
> We have some more confirmed attendees. Al Thalmeir of Toppenish,
WA
> will be there. He owns a 680E and I hope he will be bringing it. Also,
Mike
> and Randi Macocko from Vas Vegas will also be there. They are looking to
buy
> their first Commander and have become good friends with "Wing Commander
> Gordon."
> Also, Uris Frey is our newest TCFG member. He flies a 500 A with all
the
> right stuff and less that 3000TT!! Welcome!!
> lousy weather here in SEA no good for open cockpit biplane fides :-(
> Have a great weekend all jb
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MORE ATTENDEES |
In a message dated 7/28/2001 10:00:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
tylorh(at)sound.net writes:
<< I saw a quote in a book that said that if you fly the airlines through a
hub
less than 500 miles, you average travel will be between 50 and 60 mile per
hour from your home to return. You could drive it faster.
What a great argument for owning an airplane. >>
THAT IS SOOOOO TRUE!! People forget that travel time is not "in the air"
time. Triple 2 will routinely beat a Boeing 737 from my front door to my
folks house in Idaho (450 miles) Now, with the need to arrive an hour or more
before the flight, it is even easier to out run an airliner.
Will you be traveling alone?? Let me know so I can make a name tag
GREAT to hear you will be there, we are going to have a great time. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS...
I want to thank TCFG member Jim Jorgenson for all the GREAT ads and
articles he shared with me. We had lunch yesterday and he gave me about 15
Ads from magazines, many that I didn't have and several advertising the
original Turbo Commander. (ever seen a "short nose" turbine??) There are
also some mag. articles on the 500A and U and the straight 500, FUN STUFF!!!
Jim and Lori will be at the gathering as well. They are looking for
their first Commander (a straight 500??) Thanks again Jim, all of you will
be seeing the ads in future issues of the FGN. jb
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: One more attendee? |
Nico,
www.aerocommander.com
You will find the details of the fly-in Aug 24-26 in Hillsboro, OR HIO
There was an announcement in Flying Mag. This month.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Nico van Niekerk [mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com]
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:15 PM
To: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com; commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Subject: One more attendee?
Hi guys,
I have been on an extended trip to England and Europe and have been out of
the loop for a while. I used to own a straight 500 for many years and am
considering getting a Charlie again. I would like to attend the fly-in but I
have no details where and when exactly it will be held. Could someone email
me that info so that I can check if it would be possible to be there. Not
much will keep me from coming.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: OLD ADS
> HI KIDS...
>
> I want to thank TCFG member Jim Jorgenson for all the GREAT ads
and
> articles he shared with me. We had lunch yesterday and he gave me about
15
> Ads from magazines, many that I didn't have and several advertising the
> original Turbo Commander. (ever seen a "short nose" turbine??) There are
> also some mag. articles on the 500A and U and the straight 500, FUN
STUFF!!!
> Jim and Lori will be at the gathering as well. They are looking for
> their first Commander (a straight 500??) Thanks again Jim, all of you
will
> be seeing the ads in future issues of the FGN. jb
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| From: | Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: One more attendee? |
Nick,
I am going up there next month if would like to go. I am going up om 8/24.
Paul
Nico van Niekerk wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I have been on an extended trip to England and Europe and have been out of
> the loop for a while. I used to own a straight 500 for many years and am
> considering getting a Charlie again. I would like to attend the fly-in but I
> have no details where and when exactly it will be held. Could someone email
> me that info so that I can check if it would be possible to be there. Not
> much will keep me from coming.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:30 AM
> Subject: OLD ADS
>
> > HI KIDS...
> >
> > I want to thank TCFG member Jim Jorgenson for all the GREAT ads
> and
> > articles he shared with me. We had lunch yesterday and he gave me about
> 15
> > Ads from magazines, many that I didn't have and several advertising the
> > original Turbo Commander. (ever seen a "short nose" turbine??) There are
> > also some mag. articles on the 500A and U and the straight 500, FUN
> STUFF!!!
> > Jim and Lori will be at the gathering as well. They are looking for
> > their first Commander (a straight 500??) Thanks again Jim, all of you
> will
> > be seeing the ads in future issues of the FGN. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS
I just got back from the new Jurassic Park 111, I thought it was
great movie but I think I will lock the Iguana in the galley before I go to
bed tonight!! I can happily report that "no Twin Commanders were killed or
injured in the making of this film" However, Beech Kig Air 300, N622DC had a
really bad day at the office!! Man did they trash that poor old gal.
Anyway, was a good day to see a movie and a lousy day to fly biplanes, Oh
well. Hope all is well with all of you. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
OH,YEA....................................
I forgot, it would have been a lot shorter movie if they had been
flying a Turbo Commander instead of a King Air, they would have got off short
enough to have missed hitting the T-Rex on take off
and....................... jb
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| From: | Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net> |
Hi there folks,
Got back from Oshkosh yesterday. Nothing spectaclar to report. Julie
Clark almost balled up her pretty T-34 during the airshow. We got VIP
seats for that from our friends mom who ran VIP seating !
Put in 10.3 total time and 8.8 flight on the 680E yesterday ! She never
missed a beat. The whole trip was 23.3 Total Time and 19.3 flight.
Oshkosh has had me ! Did see some cool avionics but they aren't
certified for us unless you want to slap EXPERIMENTAL on your bird.
Which might not be a bad idea anyway. Then you can get the cool stuff.
Paul
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| From: | Bruce A. Campbell <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
For further info, watch "Clear and Present Danger". IT's shocking that a pilot
like Harrison Ford wouldn't have rescued....
Well, just see it *sob*
Bruce A. Campbell
N4186B AC 52 and Fiercely Proud of IT!
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> HI KIDS
>
> I just got back from the new Jurassic Park 111, I thought it was
> great movie but I think I will lock the Iguana in the galley before I go to
> bed tonight!! I can happily report that "no Twin Commanders were killed or
> injured in the making of this film" However, Beech Kig Air 300, N622DC had a
> really bad day at the office!! Man did they trash that poor old gal.
> Anyway, was a good day to see a movie and a lousy day to fly biplanes, Oh
> well. Hope all is well with all of you. jb
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Well,
We saw Planet of the Apes tonight. Fabulous makeup, and the plot was nothing
more/less than you'd expect. I have to give credit to the actors for their
efforts in mimicking Ape behavior. Kinda fun to watch. As far as the flying
portions, Mark Wahlberg is such a fine pilot that he entered rainforest
jungle at a shallow angle at perhaps 300kts and received not a scrape (pure
luck missing all those big tree trunks I guess).....and then repeated the
same feat later in the movie, only this time on concrete. Only thing I can
think, the little spacecraft he was flying must have been made by Aero
Design & Engineering...
Capt. Jimbob, I SWEAR I filled out & sent my flyin application on Friday
(woohoo!) and will be flying up with the rest of the Commander fighter wing
who will be able to make it from the SF bay area.
Cheers to all,
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:05 PM
Subject: THE MOVIES
> HI KIDS
>
> I just got back from the new Jurassic Park 111, I thought it was
> great movie but I think I will lock the Iguana in the galley before I go
to
> bed tonight!! I can happily report that "no Twin Commanders were killed
or
> injured in the making of this film" However, Beech Kig Air 300, N622DC had
a
> really bad day at the office!! Man did they trash that poor old gal.
> Anyway, was a good day to see a movie and a lousy day to fly biplanes,
Oh
> well. Hope all is well with all of you. jb
>
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Mr. Tillman, Lost your number. How's about sending it to me ? Allen
P.S. have the specs. for Lucille for ypur clients.
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| From: | Michael Pidek <pidekmc(at)hotmail.com> |
Milt,
Where did you go for training?
>From: Rodd Browne <DC8F(at)worldnet.att.net>
>To: Milt Concannon <mdcmd@ms-online.com>, Commander Chat
>
>Subject: Re: Insurable
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:49:00 -0400
>
>Way to go Milt!!!!
>
>rodd
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Milt Concannon
> To: Commander Chat
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:47 AM
> Subject: Insurable
>
>
> Just finished ground and simulator school and now am insured.
> What a pain but in retrospect it was quite a valuable experience.
> Barring mechanical difficulties or absolutely horrible weather look
>forwrd to seeing many of you at HIO.
>
> Milt
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Downloaded Nikki's 680flp and 685 for flitesim last night and flew th #$%$ out
of them. They fly much better than the stock aircraft that came with the program.
Cant wait until he finishes the newer version of the 685.
Those of you who saw Jurassic Park only thought that was a T Rex that the King
Air hit. It was really Big AL after a jug of moonshine.
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Big Al,
She's mighty purty!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
To:
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 4:13 PM
Subject: Lucille
>
>
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks! I think so too. Allen
>From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
>To: "Allen Reed" ,
>
>Subject: Re: Lucille
>Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:54:12 -0700
>
>A thing of beauty.
>Nico
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com>
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 4:13 PM
>Subject: Lucille
>
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Diana Talpos-Reed <drreed(at)charter.net> |
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Gang,have 2 more shot to show ya'll soon. ALLEN
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey Gang, trust me,I had to send that one on her sight,Much easier than
mine. AL
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
HI KIDS.................
Just got off the phone with Stan Perkins. He and his dad plan
to attend the gathering. Stan learned to fly in a twin Commander. No, I
don't mean got his multi in one, He got his Private ticket in one. He had a
ME license before he had his SE rating!! Is that cool or what?? His dad
owned several Commanders including a couple of 680Es and a 680W.
Sadly, they sold all the airplanes some time ago but Stan is now looking to
buy a Commander again. Sometimes this job is just to much fun!! Hope you
all had a great weekend. Great Pix of Lucille!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | More Pictures of Lucille |
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| From: | Randy Sharp <sharp.r(at)apple.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MORE ATTENDEES |
Just returned from Campbell River BC (salmon fishing ie
http://www.obmg.com/) and Whistler Mtn resort so I stopped in at KHIO for
customs clearance on the return. Visited Aero Air so Jeff showed me a
beautiful renaissance of a 690A just about finished and a real nice 1000
in the hanger having rework.
Hard IFR with lots of heavy rain at 11K (just below the freezing level),
sure cleaned my aircraft off! What happened to the nice summer wx?
btw I now have lots of salmon, so I'm going to have a big barbecue with
all of this fresh fish. (Maybe I'll bring some up to the fly-in)
Randy
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com said:
>HI KIDS.................
> Just got off the phone with Stan Perkins. He and his dad plan
>to attend the gathering. Stan learned to fly in a twin Commander. No, I
>don't mean got his multi in one, He got his Private ticket in one. He had a
>ME license before he had his SE rating!! Is that cool or what?? His dad
>owned several Commanders including a couple of 680Es and a 680W.
>Sadly, they sold all the airplanes some time ago but Stan is now looking to
>buy a Commander again. Sometimes this job is just to much fun!! Hope you
>all had a great weekend. Great Pix of Lucille!! jb
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | RICHARD THOMPSON |
HI RICHARD.......
I have misplaced you email address, could you please contact me,
Thanks jb
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | stranded in Tulsa.... |
Well, it seems as though I've turned into a flightless
waterfowl. My Viking's annual is going to run long due to
a failed turbo and the chances of me having a Commander to
fly to HIO look slim.
Anyone passing near Tulsa, OK on their way to HIO that would
like two passengers and some help with fuel please let me know!
I'll work my schedule to accomodate.
Milt?
Chris
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
Another month gone and a new "Commander of the month" online.
Welcome the beautiful Miss August 2001!
Who's next? I need YOU to supply the COTM section. I can't
even come close to affording to purchase a new airplane each
month just to keep a web site active! :-)
Paul Reason - need pics and text from you and Urs for Miss Sept.
Come on all you procrastinators - take a few minutes and get
me some pictures and a short writeup about yourself and your
airplane!
Chris
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | CALIFORNIA RIDE?? |
HI KIDS.........
There is also a father/Son team looking for a ride the HIO from
San Diego or somewhere in CA. Anybody?? jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: stranded in Tulsa.... |
In a message dated 7/31/01 5:38:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com writes:
>
TERMITES ???jb
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| From: | Rodd Browne <DC8F(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Miss August! |
Chris,
As long as you don't need interior pics, (mine needs help) I'll have a "new
paint" pic for you in August. Standby
rodd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:46 PM
Subject: Miss August!
> Another month gone and a new "Commander of the month" online.
> Welcome the beautiful Miss August 2001!
>
> Who's next? I need YOU to supply the COTM section. I can't
> even come close to affording to purchase a new airplane each
> month just to keep a web site active! :-)
>
> Paul Reason - need pics and text from you and Urs for Miss Sept.
>
> Come on all you procrastinators - take a few minutes and get
> me some pictures and a short writeup about yourself and your
> airplane!
>
> Chris
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
THANKS CHRIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great story and photos of Milts airplane. Maybe you could do a
double feature and show his new ride, the 685, next month?? I really
appreciate you taking the time to post this. Come on guys, this is your
chance to share your Commander with us so send the info to Chris.
I am looking forward to meeting Milt and Gail this month.
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | FIRE AND THE 685 |
HI KIDS....................
I had a nice conversation with Ken Molson of Aero Air last week.
We have a lot in common (we have both built a homebuilt airplane and we both
like boats, he is building one of those too) He is a great guy and you will
be treated to a siminar session with him. He doesn't have a lot of good
things to say about the 685. Aero Air sold 5 new ones and they all crashed.
I asked him why?? Without hesitation he said "fire." It seems the
fuel lines are routed near the turbos and because of the heat, age very
quickly. Worse, when they fail, they spray fuel on the turbo with
predictable results. Of the 5 lost airplanes, only one actually lost the
wing. The others were not able to fly on the remaining engine (one was well
over gross)
"So why not just replace the fuel lines every 100hr or at each annual
insp?" I asked. "I think that would have saved all 5 of these airplanes" he
said. So, I challenge all of you 685 owners to remove and replace the fuel
lines NOW! It cant cost that much and will eliminate the single largest
cause of engine shut downs suffered by the fleet.
Just thought you should know. jb
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Norwegian 680FL - salvage |
Remember the post to our email net last week about a Norwegian 680FL?
Well, Jean Pierre has sent me photos of this former Commander.
I say former because the wings have been sawed off at the roots, fuselage
appears to have been sawed off behind the wings as well.
From the photos, it appears there are some parts that may be salvageable,
including control surfaces and landing gear.
I have email Jean Pierre back to find out if the engines are available. Will
let the list know.
Meanwhile, if anyone is looking for parts, this specimen would have to be
containerized and shipped out. In fact, it resides in this man's garden,
not an airport.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Norwegian salvage - correction |
Hello all,
In looking over the photos, it's a 680- FLP. Sir Barry probably already told
us that.
Cockpit is torn up, but the panel template is intact with many flight
instruments.
They've been in the elements for who knows how long, but the following are
still installed:
Basic "6 pack" flight instruments
copilot side VSI and horizon
Pressurization controller
Throttle quadrant, intact.
Landing gear control box
Pilot side control column and yoke
The tail was cut off just aft of the baggage area.
Nose gear intact, photo shows one main landing gear retracted in a nacelle,
lying on the ground.
Several control surfaces and (I think) flaps -- with vines growing around
them.
Did not see cabin supercharger / air cycle machine.
If the engines are around, that could mean hydraulic pumps (300 psi variety)
and Simmonds units.
This is not a fixer-upper, unless you are really bored.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
Yesterday I spoke with Kevin Riecker at Banyan Air Service in Ft. Lauderdale,
Florida. (Sorry, "Fladah," as it's spoken there)
Here's the info: IO-720s were hung on the airframe per Mr. RPM's STC about 9
months ago.
The project is being held up due to lack of money (this is the first time
this has ever happened in aviation).
The owner had some really terrific ideas for this package, but some of those
ideas have cost time and money.
84" propellors are awaiting field approval. (I'd sure love to see that take
to the air, but the fastest way may be back to 80" props>0
Starter engage lights.
Cooling blast tubes on the vacuum pumps.
A new design oil cooler located in the aft nacelle.
Along with those, Banyan has done a mini-Renaissance, in that all cables,
hoses, and components have been overhauled. It's rumored to have $100K in
avionics, with Gamins 430s.
So that's the story up to the minute. It exists, it's not flying due to lack
of bucks and may be for sale.
Oh, and if you have to ask, you can't afford it.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian 680FL - salvage |
MAKES ME WANT TO CRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage - correction |
Keith & Gang!
No, it is/was a Model 680FL. Serial 680FL-1355-34, registered in Norway as LN-LMM.
Can the Pressurisation Controller be mistaken for something else? I note the cabin
supercharger / air cycle machine couldn't be seen and are they only on the
Pressurised Models?
Are the cockpit DV windows visible? The pressurized pistons either had no DV window,
or one with a much wider surround.
Could you forward the pics to me for a 'butcher's'. (Butcher's hook = rhyming slang
for look).
I am really bored - so may go for it. See you all in about 15 years time!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
To: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:58 PM
Subject: Norwegian salvage - correction
Hello all,
In looking over the photos, it's a 680- FLP. Sir Barry probably already told
us that.
Cockpit is torn up, but the panel template is intact with many flight
instruments.
They've been in the elements for who knows how long, but the following are
still installed:
Basic "6 pack" flight instruments
copilot side VSI and horizon
Pressurization controller
Throttle quadrant, intact.
Landing gear control box
Pilot side control column and yoke
The tail was cut off just aft of the baggage area.
Nose gear intact, photo shows one main landing gear retracted in a nacelle,
lying on the ground.
Several control surfaces and (I think) flaps -- with vines growing around
them.
Did not see cabin supercharger / air cycle machine.
If the engines are around, that could mean hydraulic pumps (300 psi variety)
and Simmonds units.
This is not a fixer-upper, unless you are really bored.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage - correction |
How about the windshields?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage -? |
Sir Berry,
How many Euros per Kilo is aluminum going for over there??
I saw a sign over here at $.25/ lbs for beer cans.
Decota Aero has two 685s with out engines for sale.
www.dakotaaero.com <http://www.dakotaaero.com/>
IF you hang two Turbo V-8 engines from you John Deer tractor pull tractor on
you Twin Commander, are you a Red Neck Commander Pilot?
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman [mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:01 PM
To: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Subject: Re: Norwegian salvage - correction
Keith & Gang!
No, it is/was a Model 680FL. Serial 680FL-1355-34, registered in Norway as
LN-LMM.
Can the Pressurisation Controller be mistaken for something else? I note the
cabin supercharger / air cycle machine couldn't be seen and are they only on
the Pressurised Models?
Are the cockpit DV windows visible? The pressurized pistons either had no DV
window, or one with a much wider surround.
Could you forward the pics to me for a 'butcher's'. (Butcher's hook =
rhyming slang for look).
I am really bored - so may go for it. See you all in about 15 years time!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com <mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
To: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:58 PM
Subject: Norwegian salvage - correction
Hello all,
In looking over the photos, it's a 680- FLP. Sir Barry probably already
told
us that.
Cockpit is torn up, but the panel template is intact with many flight
instruments.
They've been in the elements for who knows how long, but the following are
still installed:
Basic "6 pack" flight instruments
copilot side VSI and horizon
Pressurization controller
Throttle quadrant, intact.
Landing gear control box
Pilot side control column and yoke
The tail was cut off just aft of the baggage area.
Nose gear intact, photo shows one main landing gear retracted in a nacelle,
lying on the ground.
Several control surfaces and (I think) flaps -- with vines growing around
them.
Did not see cabin supercharger / air cycle machine.
If the engines are around, that could mean hydraulic pumps (300 psi variety)
and Simmonds units.
This is not a fixer-upper, unless you are really bored.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | jbs note on 685 fires |
OK Im replacing the hoses. Do I have any riders left to HIO
JB any statistics on these accidents where when weather etc????????
Milt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage - correction |
In a message dated 08/01/01 16:02:03 Pacific Daylight Time, YOURTCFG writes:
> How about the windshields??
They're there.
Can't tell the condition from the photos.
I can upload one of the photos, but I think it would depress everyone.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage - correction |
In a message dated 08/01/01 16:10:38 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> No, it is/was a Model 680FL. Serial 680FL-1355-34, registered in Norway as
>
Ah ha!
Imagine my double take when I saw small side windows, the large pilot's D. V.
window and what I can only determine is a pressurization controller in the
panel.
Lack of cabin supercharger and air cycle macine may be due to early
scavenging. No shots of the aft top fuselage to see air scoop -- but you'll
like the Chamberlain nose, Sir Barry.
Now, most of my call is based on the so-called cabin pressure controller in
the pilot's sub panel and a set of rocker switches not normally seen in an
FL. I can't imagine what else this stuff could be.
Do we have a mystery ship on our hands?
If nothing else, you can cobble it together for Harrison Ford to blow up in
his next movie.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage -? |
In a message dated 08/01/01 16:57:34 Pacific Daylight Time, tylorh(at)sound.net
writes:
> IF you hang two Turbo V-8 engines from you John Deer tractor pull tractor on
>
Depends.
Is it done under an STC? If so, then probably not.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage -? |
Not yet, but we are trying. Very trying.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com [mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:41 PM
To: tylorh(at)sound.net
Cc: commanderchat@c2-tech.com
Subject: Re: Norwegian salvage -?
In a message dated 08/01/01 16:57:34 Pacific Daylight Time, tylorh(at)sound.net
writes:
IF you hang two Turbo V-8 engines from you John Deer tractor pull tractor on
you Twin Commander, are you a Red Neck Commander Pilot?
Depends.
Is it done under an STC? If so, then probably not.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
| Subject: | Re: jbs note on 685 fires |
Milt,
I have not heard from Big Al yet. I have sent my money and I would love a
ride.
AVGAS at KOJC is $2.29/ gallon as of today, self-service. I will pay and
pump it.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Milt [mailto:mdcmd@ms-online.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:49 PM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: jbs note on 685 fires
OK Im replacing the hoses. Do I have any riders left to HIO
JB any statistics on these accidents where when weather etc????????
Milt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rodd Browne <DC8F(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Hey Guys,
Would anyone have a copy of the procedures for balancing flight controls prior
to re-installation after painting?? Model 560E. My manuals don't address this
requirement. Thanks all...
rodd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Paul Odum <calnet01(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flight controls |
Rodd,
There is just rigging procedures.
Paul
Rodd Browne wrote:
> Hey Guys, Would anyone have a copy of the procedures for balancing
> flight controls prior to re-installation after painting?? Model
> 560E. My manuals don't address this requirement. Thanks all... rodd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rodd Browne <DC8F(at)worldnet.att.net> |
Thanks Paul,
Are you saying that there are no procedures for balancing flight controls in this
situation?? I found the rigging procedures but no balancing.
rodd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: flight controls |
Same number on each wing?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: Rodd Browne
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:09 AM
Subject: flight controls
Hey Guys,
Would anyone have a copy of the procedures for balancing flight controls prior
to re-installation after painting?? Model 560E. My manuals don't address this
requirement. Thanks all...
rodd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk <Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Norwegian salvage - correction |
Hi Keith & Gang!
This 680FL Commander was owned by a company called Fjellanger-Wideroe A/S
in Norway. They've presently got another couple, a 690B and a 690C, and
also had a 680F at one time. Their operations are centred around aerial
survey/photography, and I'm certain that this 680FL would have had a camera
installation.
Now, I don't know how all that gear worked, but I believe some had a
hydraulically operated door to the camera hatch, while others had
electrically operated ones. Steven Reid at Downtown Airpark is the real
expert on these. They've probably installed more cameras in Commanders than
all the others put together.
So, could what appears to be a Pressurisation Controller and a set of weird
rocker switches, be connected with the operation of camera or survey
equipment?
Anybody any ideas?
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
CloudCraft@ao
l.com To: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
cc: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
02/08/2001 Subject: Re: Norwegian salvage - correction
02:34
In a message dated 08/01/01 16:10:38 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
No, it is/was a Model 680FL. Serial 680FL-1355-34, registered in Norway as
LN-LMM
Ah ha!
Imagine my double take when I saw small side windows, the large pilot's D.
V.
window and what I can only determine is a pressurization controller in the
panel.
Lack of cabin supercharger and air cycle macine may be due to early
scavenging. No shots of the aft top fuselage to see air scoop -- but
you'll
like the Chamberlain nose, Sir Barry.
Now, most of my call is based on the so-called cabin pressure controller in
the pilot's sub panel and a set of rocker switches not normally seen in an
FL. I can't imagine what else this stuff could be.
Do we have a mystery ship on our hands?
If nothing else, you can cobble it together for Harrison Ford to blow up in
his next movie.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | off topic - hobby: Steam engines |
Sorry for the non-av post...
Don't know how many of fellow Commander enthusiasts are heavily
involved in fixing their own airplanes, but I suspect that more than
one of you has made a few parts from time to time. One of my
hobbies is detailed, small scale steam engines and scale "hit-and
miss" gasoline engines. From my experience, Stuart Ltd in England
is the finest vendor of small steam engine kits. Although you can
order completed engines, the fun part is building your own from raw
casting sets. All work can be done on a small lathe but a mill
is nice. Actually getting the kits has been a bit of a problem,
but there is now a nice retired couple in Little Rock Ark that is
importing and stocking the kits.
http://www.mindspring.com/~minimachine/
If anyone is looking for a fun several-week winter project, this
is a pretty cool way to pass the time!
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Eshleman <peshleman(at)frederickmd.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander for sale |
Nico,
Here are pics and specs for the Commander. Let me know what you think.
Call or e-mail me if you need more information or have any questions.
Pete Eshleman
(301) 831-8334 Home
(301) 980-2636 Cell
(301) 874-2963 Fax
peshleman(at)frederickmd.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | garyloff <n27kb(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | Re: jbs note on 685 fires |
We have a fuel club at Potomac Airfield that your FBOs might be interested. The
cost of membership is $18.00 monthly and the price of fuel is $1.69. The club
has hundreds of members from all over. The benefit to use is the stable flow
of income regardless of the crappy months and the benefit to the a/c owners...
.
If anyone is iinterested in further details let me know.
G
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: Milt ; Commander Chat
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: jbs note on 685 fires
Milt,
I have not heard from Big Al yet. I have sent my money and I would love a ride.
AVGAS at KOJC is $2.29/ gallon as of today, self-service. I will pay and pump
it.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Milt [mailto:mdcmd@ms-online.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:49 PM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: jbs note on 685 fires
OK Im replacing the hoses. Do I have any riders left to HIO
JB any statistics on these accidents where when weather etc????????
Milt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | EVEN MORE ATTNDEES |
HI KIDS..................
More good news. My wife tells me that the mail today contained
registration forms for several more attendees. Ted Shaul (sp) will be
attending with his Shrike as well as Mark Poulson (sorry about the spelling
Mark) and his 685 from SC!!! Mark will be traveling with his instructor and
their girlfriends (hope they aren't married)!! That makes 3 685s in
attendance, pretty cool!
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AOPA ePilot Newsletter <aopa_news(at)aopa.org> |
| Subject: | AOPA ePilot -- Vol. 3, Issue 31 |
AOPA ePilot--Vol. 3, Issue 31
Departments
Inside AOPA
On Capitol Hill
Airport Support Network
Quiz Me!
2001 Bonanza
Sweepstakes
ePilot Calendar
Weekend Weather
Airplane makes successful HITS flight
Superior to market diesel aircraft engines
Competition heats up in jet market
Don't close Ohio airport, AOPA tells candidates
Volume 3, Issue 31
August 3, 2001
GA News
MOONEY DECLARES BANKRUPTCY
Ten days after Chris Dopp resigned his post as Mooney Aircraft Corporation's
president and CEO, the company filed for reorganization under Chapter
11 bankruptcy. Papers were filed July 27 in Texas. Mooney's day-to-day affairs
are now being handled by Michael McConnell, Mooney's senior vice president
of strategic planning; Tom Bowen, vice president of engineering; and Mike Baldridge,
vice president of operations. Paul Dopp, who owned Mooney in the early
1970s, remains as chairman. McConnell said at AirVenture 2001 in Oshkosh, "This
is our opportunity to finally right the ship," and emphasized that Mooney will
continue to support Mooney customers and their airplanes. Funding for continued
operations has been secured, the company will operate as a debtor in possession,
and plans are reportedly in the works to rebuild the company and produce
airplanes. A search is under way for a new president and CEO.
AIRPLANE MAKES SUCCESSFUL HITS FLIGHT
Avidyne Corporation announced the successful demonstration flight of
its Highway in the Sky (HITS) technology last Friday. The 30-minute flight in
a Lancair Columbia 400 departed EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh and flew a GPS approach
into Fond du Lac Airport before returning for a VFR approach back into Oshkosh.
The flight was conducted entirely with reference to the HITS display symbology
developed by Avidyne as part of the Advanced General Aviation Transport
Experiments (AGATE) program. "The HITS system was so easy to fly, even my 7-year-old
grandson could have done it," said NASA's Sam Venerri, who acted as
pilot on the mission. "It is easy to see how this technology can reduce training
time for new pilots and increase competency of low-time pilots in IFR conditions."
CIRRUS ENHANCES SR20 AT NO EXTRA CHARGE
Cirrus Design announced a 100-pound gross weight increase, to 3,000
pounds, for the SR20 aircraft. Company officials said the increase improves utility
by bumping up the useful load to 950 pounds. The airplane will also have
a new look with the installation of an ultrabright high-intensity discharge
(HID) landing light, pioneered on the SR22, in the lower cowl. Other options include
traffic information for the avionics system and some interior refinements.
No change in price is anticipated. The company plans to offer retrofit kits
for the 140 SR20s already delivered. See the Web site.
SUPERIOR TO MARKET AIRCRAFT DIESEL ENGINES
Superior Air Parts Inc. has been named as the exclusive sales representative
for two aircraft engines that run on jet fuel. The engines are produced
by Thielert Aircraft Engines of Lichtenstein. Both engines, the TAE 110 and
125, are four-cylinder, four-valve turbodiesels that operate on Jet-A fuel.
The TAE 110 has been certified in Europe while the TAE 125 has accumulated more
than 1,000 hours in a Piper Cherokee. Plans are to install the 125-hp engine
in a Cessna 172 later this year. Both engines feature 3,000-hour TBOs and full
authority digital engine control (FADEC).
COMPETITION HEATS UP IN PERSONAL JET MARKET
The competition in personal jets is getting tighter. McCotter Aviation
LLC, maker of the Maverick TwinJet kitplane, is pursuing certification of
a new aircraft, the MC 2400. The six-place composite airframe is to be powered
by two jet engines. The company is planning to achieve a maximum cruise speed
of 413 knots with a range of more than 1,500 nm. Company officials are currently
discussing engine options with manufacturers. The jet is expected to sell
for $1.5 million. McCotter plans to receive certification in 2003. See the Web
site.
AIR FORCE SET TO CONTINUE SEARCH FOR TRAINERS
An environmental impact study has found there will be no deleterious
effects from noise on the Colorado Springs area, allowing the U.S. Air Force
Academy's search for new trainer aircraft to continue. Plans to start a flight
training program were put on hold when environmental concerns were raised last
year. The academy, based in Colorado Springs, has agreed to realign training
routes and select quiet trainers to mitigate possible noise problems. The Air
Force will select a contractor and provide funds to the winning bidder to provide
initial flight training to Academy cadets. The contract will be awarded
by January 2002, and training will begin no later than June 2002.
See AOPA Online for more EAA AirVenture coverage, or for daily news
updates.
Inside AOPA
FAA MAKES RNAV CHARTING HIGH PRIORITY
Pressure from AOPA and RTCA Inc. (a not-for-profit corporation that
advises the federal government) for charted area navigation (RNAV) routes has
resulted in the FAA's elevating the RNAV rulemaking to one of the agency's highest
priorities. RNAV rulemaking will now receive internal FAA support from technical
experts, attorneys, and economists needed to develop rules. The FAA team
met this week to begin development of work plans and a timeline. AOPA is pleased
that the FAA responded to its multiyear effort to secure charted RNAV routes,
and has encouraged the FAA to commit allocated resources to making sure
the rulemaking process does not impede progress of route charting. For more,
see AOPA Online.
DON'T CLOSE OHIO AIRPORT, AOPA TELLS CANDIDATES
AOPA is warning mayoral candidates in Cleveland, Ohio, to keep their
hands off Burke Lakefront Airport. "AOPA will work diligently to defeat any
attempts to close this valuable community resource," wrote AOPA President Phil
Boyer in a letter to all the candidates. "With the recent focus on the need for
additional airport and runway capacity, closing Burke (a designated FAA reliever
airport) could have a detrimental impact on delays at Cleveland's Hopkins
International Airport. We doubt the FAA will be willing to accept the negative
consequences associated with allowing Burke Lakefront to close." At least five
candidates running for mayor of Cleveland want to close the airport and develop
the property or turn it into a lakefront park. For more, see AOPA Online.
FAA TO ISSUE FINAL RULE FOR REPAIR STATIONS
Next week, the FAA will publish its first major revision to FAR Part
145, which covers approved repair stations. "While the FAA responded to many
of AOPA's concerns that should make implementation of the final rule less costly
than the previous version, there is still going to be an impact on the cost
of maintenance resulting from this rule," said Andy Cebula, AOPA senior vice
president of government and technical affairs. AOPA submitted formal comments
to the FAA in December 1999 citing many needed changes to the proposed rule that
would reduce the rule's economic impact without compromising safety. And last
week, AOPA presented oral arguments to the U.S. Office of Management and Budget
as to the rule's overly burdensome economic impact on small repair stations.
AOPA CONTINUES NANTUCKET AIRSPACE FIGHT
AOPA is continuing to oppose the FAA's proposed new Class C airspace
around Nantucket Memorial Airport on Nantucket Island in Massachusetts. The
FAA has scheduled two informal airspace meetings for August 20 and 21 to gather
input from pilots on the proposal. AOPA encourages local pilots to attend. "The
FAA refuses to consider simpler, less restrictive options," said Melissa K.
Bailey, AOPA vice president of air traffic services. "Almost a year ago, AOPA
proposed a solution that would have cost the taxpayer next to nothing and could
have been implemented immediately. We were ignored." Because of the summer
seasonal peak in air traffic on the island, the FAA wants the current Nantucket
Class D airspace changed to the more restrictive, radar-based Class C operation.
For more, see AOPA Online.
Changing your mailing or e-mail addresses? Click here to update.
On Capitol Hill
CONGRESS MAY PRESSURE CHICAGO TO SAVE MEIGS
As a direct result of AOPA legislative efforts, Congress may step in
to save Chicago's Meigs Field. After AOPA met with Illinois Sen. Peter Fitzgerald,
he added an amendment to the Department of Transportation fiscal 2002 appropriations
bill. The Senate passed the bill Wednesday night. The amendment
states that area reliever and general aviation airports like Meigs must be preserved
and utilized as part of a plan to solve congestion at Chicago's O'Hare
International Airport. Bill Deere, AOPA's senior vice president of legislative
affairs, helped craft the amendment language. Meanwhile, Illinois Gov. George
Ryan announced that he will present an alternative to Chicago's current O'Hare
plans which includes extending the life of Meigs Field. It is slated to close
in February 2002. For more, see AOPA Online.
REPORT INDICATES PROBLEMS IN SHOOT-DOWN POLICY
The Bush administration will release this week the State Department's
report on its investigation of the U.S.-Peru drug interdiction program and
the April 20 incident in which a civilian aircraft was shot down in Peru by a
Peruvian Air Force fighter jet, The Washington Post reported Tuesday. The State
Department inquiry "characterizes the program as having limited U.S. oversight
and having evolved over the years into lax adherence to procedures by both
the United States and Peru," said sources familiar with the report. After the
April 20 incident, AOPA President Phil Boyer was invited to submit testimony for
the House criminal justice, drug policy, and human resources subcommittee hearing
on U.S. drug Interdiction efforts in South America. Boyer condemned the
use of deadly force against civilian aircraft. See AOPA Online.
Airport Support Network
AOPA started the Airport Support Network to provide a coordinated effort
to reduce antiairport sentiment. ASN volunteers keep AOPA headquarters abreast
of political and public opinion developments that may affect their airports.
They attend public meetings dealing with airport matters and report to AOPA
on the proceedings. ASN volunteers help promote local airport activities to
enhance the airport's public image. They also act as the AOPA liaison with local
pilot associations, user groups, airport advisory commissions, and airport
officials. Does this sound like something your airport has? If not, your airport
needs an ASN volunteer. Below are just a few airports in your area where
an ASN volunteer could make a difference.
ASN is looking for volunteers at several airports in California, including
MMH, 068, MYV, MHV, 027, 037, and PSP.
To learn more about the Airport Support Network, visit AOPA Online.
Quiz Me!
Heres a question asked by an AOPA member last week of our AOPA technical
specialists. Test your knowledge.
Question: It is common knowledge that most small airports with control
towers are Class D airspace. However, when the tower closes this airspace
changes to either Class E Surface Area or Class G. What determines the change
to either Class E Surface Area or Class G?
Answer: The Airport/Facilities Directory (A/FD) shows which type of
airspace will exist at an airport after the closing of a tower facility. The
airspace determination depends on the weather observation facilities on the field.
In order to qualify for a surfaced-based Class E airspace the following conditions
must exist: There must be a federally certified weather observer or
system (AWOS, ASOS, etc.) on the field; this observer or system must have the
ability to report to ATC via phone line or other means; and the airport must meet
the above requirements after the tower ceases to operate. Otherwise, it will
revert to Class G airspace.
Got a technical question for AOPA specialists? Call 800/872-2672 or
e-mail to inforequest(at)aopa.org. Send comments on our Quiz Me! questions to epilot(at)aopa.org.
AOPA Sweepstakes Bonanza Update
After its first public appearance at EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh to the
delight of thousands, the 2001 AOPA Sweepstakes Bonanza is in Ohio having its
new leather installed. See our latest project update on AOPA Online.
On The Road To Expo
Seeing live product demonstrations is one of the many reasons to attend
AOPA Expo 2001. That's right, you can actually see how the products perform
before you buy. To get a glimpse of what to expect from November 8 through
10 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, see AOPA Online.
ePilot Calendar
WEEKEND FLYING DESTINATIONS
Cape May, New Jersey. Airfest 2001 takes place August 11 at Cape May
County Airport (WWD). Call 609/886-8787 for event information.
Moffett Field, California. NASA's e-Air Expo takes place August 11
and 12. Call 650/604-2162 for event information.
FLYING DESTINATIONS IN YOUR AREA NAPA, CALIFORNIA. A Friday dinner
and Saturday open house take place August 10 and 11 at Napa Airport (APC). Call
707/259-1868 for event information.
For more airport details, see AOPA's Airport Directory Online. For
more events, see Aviation Calendar of Events
ASF SAFETY SEMINARS
The next AOPA ASF Safety Seminars are scheduled in Rockford, Michigan,
and Little Rock, Arkansas, August 13 ("Fuel Awareness"); Bloomfield Hills,
Michigan, and Memphis, Tennessee, August 14 ("Fuel Awareness"); Anderson, Indiana,
and Murfreesboro, Tennessee, August 15 ("Fuel Awareness"); Chattanooga,
Tennessee, August 16 ("Fuel Awareness"); and Maryville, Tennessee, August 17 ("Fuel
Awareness"). See AOPA Online for more information.
ASF FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR REFRESHER CLINICS
(All clinics start at 7:30 a.m.)
The next AOPA Air Safety Foundation Flight Instructor Refresher Clinics
are scheduled in Long Beach, California; Boulder, Colorado; and Reno, Nevada,
August 11 and 12. For the Flight Instructor Refresher Clinic schedule, see
AOPA Online.
ASF PINCH-HITTER GROUND-SCHOOL COURSES
(Pinch-Hitter courses start at 9:30 a.m.)
The next Pinch-Hitter Ground School will take place August 12 in Reno,
Nevada. For more Pinch-Hitter courses, see AOPA Online.
For comments on calendar items or to make submissions, contact Julie
S. Walker at julie.walker(at)aopa.org.
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| From: | David L. Cummings <fishnpilot(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for sale |
why yes, you are very perceptive.....here is the spec sheet and please feel free
to call my home anytime, @ 763-559-8028. if you have the controller or aero
trader around, it is in those as well as TAP. dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico van Niekerk
To: fishnpilot(at)mediaone.net
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Plane for sale
Please send specs on your twin for sale. It sounds like a Howard.
Thanks
Nico van Niekerk
President & CEO
CyberSuperStore, Inc.
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| From: | David L. Cummings <fishnpilot(at)mediaone.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plane for sale |
and here are pics
----- Original Message -----
From: Nico van Niekerk
To: fishnpilot(at)mediaone.net
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: Plane for sale
Please send specs on your twin for sale. It sounds like a Howard.
Thanks
Nico van Niekerk
President & CEO
CyberSuperStore, Inc.
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| From: | w.bow <w.bow(at)att.net> |
I am trying to find some(50) 1/4-28X3/4 SS Flat Head Machine
screws.(MS24693-C296 I think).
No luck with Aircraft Spruce or Skybolt.
Any thoughts?
bilbo
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| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com> |
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | WORKING HARD FOR YOU! |
HI KIDS.................................
Oh what I wont do, the sacrifices I wont make for the TCFG and you. I
had to check out the arrangements at Friday Harbor today so at great expense
and personal risk, I climbed into the left seat of triple 2 for a trip over
the water.
Blasting out of BFI on a downwind departure (at or below 800
feet and close in) then climbing past the space needle and points north. It
was a kinda crappy day but VFR below the clouds.
Got to FH at about 6pm. Nice approach over the marina and town and on
to the 4000 ft strip. A quick taxi to parking and a brisk 10 minute walk to
the waterfront and the restaurant, "The Downrigger"
I figured that it would not be right to just make a reservation for
our lunch on the 26th, I had better sample the cuisine.
I orederd the Cod & chips with a bowl of chowder. The chowder was
superb, more like a rich potato soup with lots of clams. This was served
with a "mini loaf" of homemade bread and hand made garlic butter. When the
Cod came, It was wonderful and so plentiful I couldn't eat it all!!
Of course it didn't hurt that the view out the window was of the
marina and the seaplane dock. Beavers and turbo Otters coming and going just
outside the glass. Then, just as I was leaving, the Seattle State ferry came
into dock just a 100 yards from the restaurant. The deep sound of the air
horn as she docked was the perfect end to a great meal.
Then it was a nice walk back to the airport and into the leather pilot
seat of old triple 2. It was very late in the evening as I reached for the
gear handle slipped the flap lever up. The weather had cleared some but
still enough clouds to give the sitting sun a canvas to paint bright orange!!
I climbed hard through the cloud bases at 3500 and was on top of the broken
layer at 4000. I played in the cloud tops for a while and was monitoring
130.30, the seaplane freq. When I heard Mike, a Kenmore pilot and joined the
chatter and found I was right above him!!
I found a hole in the cloud deck and dived through. It didn't take
long for us to find each other and I came up on his left wing. I stayed far
enough away to not be "in formation" with him, he was on a 135 flight in a
tubo Otter, they go pretty fast!!
Back into the pattern at BFI on a long, straight in approach past the
space needle and the Seattle waterfront. Past the aircraft carrier berthed
downtown for "sea fair" and back to my parking place between the Nordstrom
Hangar and the Boeing corporate hangar.
A long hard day just to get things in order for all of you, what
sacrifices I wont make!! Good night all, jb
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| From: | res00rbl <res00rbl(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: WORKING HARD FOR YOU! |
Thanks for the tremendous sacrifice, Jim Jim Jorgensen
(Seattle)
Oh what I wont do, the sacrifices I wont make for the TCFG and you
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: WORKING HARD FOR YOU! |
In a message dated 08/03/01 22:06:35 Pacific Daylight Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
>
> A long hard day just to get things in order for all of you, what
> sacrifices I wont make!!
We can't thank you enough, Capt. Jimbob. Really.
I'm sure you'll be forced into service like this again once or twice and when
you are, know that we stand in silent awe of the sacrifices you make for us.
It's also good to know that you're the kind of leader who wouldn't ask his
troops to do anything that he wouldn't do himself.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: WORKING HARD FOR YOU! |
Jimbob,
Keep your health insurance up to date. If you continue to make these sacrifices
for us and eat all that cholesterol youre going to need me and I aint cheap.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
To: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:58 PM
Subject: WORKING HARD FOR YOU!
HI KIDS.................................
Oh what I wont do, the sacrifices I wont make for the TCFG and you. I
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Capt Jimbob,
If you have a minute in between sacrifices can you tell us where to go when we
get there and what time Friday does this thing kick off?
Also if there is a house of ill repute on the flyin agenda please dont go there
and sample everything on the menu. It certainly would kill you and we would all
feel bad knowing you did it for us.
Milt
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
Bow,
Have you tried Genuine Aircraft Hardware Co.
www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com
I picked up their catalog at a show.
In there they have NAS517 high strength countersunk screws in 1/4-28.
This is a place that has just aviation grade bolts and aviation stuff.
Sells direct.
888-247-2738
805-239-4871 FAX
Monday -Fri. 7:30 am to 4:30 PM Pacific Time.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: w.bow [mailto:w.bow(at)att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:52 PM
To: Commanderchat
Subject: hardware
I am trying to find some(50) 1/4-28X3/4 SS Flat Head Machine
screws.(MS24693-C296 I think).
No luck with Aircraft Spruce or Skybolt.
Any thoughts?
bilbo
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| From: | Tylor Hall <thall5(at)kc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Here comes BARRY |
Milt,
I hope your new 685 is parked inside. Here comes Hurricane Barry.
I think it is going to get wet down there.
Is Al Reeds 680E parked inside??
Good luck, you are going to need it.
If anyone of us can help, let us know.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Here comes BARRY |
Geez, and here I was looking at the subject line thinking you were talking about
me. How egocentric of me .
Having a great time with 680E flying the California coast. Will write a report
when I get back down south. Did pass wingtips at about 200 yds separation with
a nice looking 500B during arrival at Morris' place (Hayward). "Is there a
prettier twin in the sky", asked the rhetorical one.
Barry (I don't like having destructive things bearing my name) Hancock
Barry Hancock
Precision Flight Networks
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net
949.300.5510
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| Subject: | Re: Here comes BARRY |
Tyler ,
I think Als plane is in Tennessee even though he and his moving Van are at ground
zero. Tried to call him earlier but no answer.
My plane is in New Orleons getting some avionics work so I went over Friday night
and tied her down on the Southwest side of a big hanger and locked tyhe controls.
It looks like Barry is going in around Pensacola although the feeder bands
are overhead and looking pretty glomy right now. Ill keep you posted if I
get ahold of Al.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: Commanderchat@Skymaster. C2-Tech. Com ; Milt Concannon
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: Here comes BARRY
Milt,
I hope your new 685 is parked inside. Here comes Hurricane Barry.
I think it is going to get wet down there.
Is Al Reed's 680E parked inside??
Good luck, you are going to need it.
If anyone of us can help, let us know.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
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| Subject: | Re: Here comes BARRY |
Earlier in the forecast Barry looked like he was coming ashore in Hancock county.
The it would have been Barry Hancock as opposed to Sir Barry.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: thall5(at)kc.rr.com ; commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com ; mdcmd(at)ms-online.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Here comes BARRY
Geez, and here I was looking at the subject line thinking you were talking about
me. How egocentric of me .
Having a great time with 680E flying the California coast. Will write a report
when I get back down south. Did pass wingtips at about 200 yds separation
with a nice looking 500B during arrival at Morris' place (Hayward). "Is there
a prettier twin in the sky", asked the rhetorical one.
Barry (I don't like having destructive things bearing my name) Hancock
Barry Hancock
Precision Flight Networks
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net
949.300.5510
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Storm watch for Mississippi was just cancelled. We are getting a little rain here
in GPT. Barry is 170+ miles Southeast. Ft Walton beach FL is starting to see
heavy winds and seas.
Big Al was moving in to his new house in Pensacola Saturday. I havent been able
to contact him by cellular or beeper. He usually answers promptly. Dont know
if the towers are down or if hes still enroute. Ill try his wife in the AM and
keep everyone posted. His computer is in the moving van and hes not connected.
Milt
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| Subject: | Re: Here comes BARRY |
Streuth!
I thought I was taking the blame for a minute!
I will hit the USA, but it'll be later this month, and I certainly don't aim to
cause trouble!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Hancock
To: thall5(at)kc.rr.com ; commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com ; mdcmd(at)ms-online.com
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Here comes BARRY
Geez, and here I was looking at the subject line thinking you were talking about
me. How egocentric of me .
Having a great time with 680E flying the California coast. Will write a report
when I get back down south. Did pass wingtips at about 200 yds separation
with a nice looking 500B during arrival at Morris' place (Hayward). "Is there
a prettier twin in the sky", asked the rhetorical one.
Barry (I don't like having destructive things bearing my name) Hancock
Barry Hancock
Precision Flight Networks
bdogltd(at)pacbell.net
949.300.5510
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Well Barry turned out to be just a little wet fart. (the storm that is, not Barry
Hancock) It went ashore well West of Big Als new home and even though I havent
talked to him Im sure he's OK. You could actually scud run along the Florida
panhandle coast this AM. Severe clear hear here in GPT. I suspect the Guys
in Northern Florida and Georgia will see worse weather from Barry than we did.
Milt
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| From: | JETPAUL(at)aol.com <JETPAUL(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Barry |
I talked to my mom this morning in Panama City, Fl. and she said Barry was
not to bad. They had sustained winds of about 40 mph, and a few peak gusts
of 70 mph.
I was at work yesterday in the DC-9 and left TPA at noon going to PHL. I Got
a good look at all the weather and the feeder bands that Barry was spinning
off. By late afternoon yesterday our Captains were refusing to fly to Ft.
Walton Beach, FL. The Metar was 45 knots gusting to 55 knots with Tornado
warnings for the whole area.
I talked to my best friend this morning who is a National Catastrophe
Response Specialist for State Farm Insurance (if only they quoted
airplanes!!) and he said they did NOT mobilize a CAT team in response to
Barry because they had only 38 claims on the panhandle coast.
God bless all and I'm glad everyone is O.K.
Paul Reason
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| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Barry |
Thanks for the updates, Chief. Here in Southern California we wondered for a
minute what tornado warnings were.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
To: ;
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Hurricane Barry
> I talked to my mom this morning in Panama City, Fl. and she said Barry was
> not to bad. They had sustained winds of about 40 mph, and a few peak
gusts
> of 70 mph.
>
> I was at work yesterday in the DC-9 and left TPA at noon going to PHL. I
Got
> a good look at all the weather and the feeder bands that Barry was
spinning
> off. By late afternoon yesterday our Captains were refusing to fly to Ft.
> Walton Beach, FL. The Metar was 45 knots gusting to 55 knots with Tornado
> warnings for the whole area.
>
> I talked to my best friend this morning who is a National Catastrophe
> Response Specialist for State Farm Insurance (if only they quoted
> airplanes!!) and he said they did NOT mobilize a CAT team in response to
> Barry because they had only 38 claims on the panhandle coast.
>
> God bless all and I'm glad everyone is O.K.
>
> Paul Reason
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| From: | JETPAUL(at)aol.com <JETPAUL(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Barry |
I know Nico!!! We still dont understand why you live someplace that is
known far and wide because if it's frequent earthquakes!!!
Paul Reason
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| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Barry |
Having grown up near the Tropic of Capricorn, I kind of miss the occasional
thunderstorm. Earthquakes? We don't get them that often that we feel them,
you know, but the guys who have probes in the ground reckon that we have
many smaller ones every day.
Folks, if I have to listen to my wife with that intensity, and hear
everthing with that sharp an ear, I would also be worried and probably live
elsewhere.
I will tell you, though, that the '94 shaker was one wild ride. (Don't mean
to be insensitive to those who were scarred by it.) So is a thunderstorm. I
am always in awe at the raw power of nature. Imagine the energy! Then those
who know appreciates Aero Commanders.
Never tried to pitch one against an earthquake, though, but my straight 500
has once or twice swam its way across the sky without getting me wet.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
To: ; ;
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Hurricane Barry
> I know Nico!!! We still dont understand why you live someplace that is
> known far and wide because if it's frequent earthquakes!!!
>
> Paul Reason
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| From: | Allen Reed <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Hey,what happened to the B.J. the damned weatherman promised me? AL
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| From: | Nico van Niekerk <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Don't open email from Marcia de Klerk. It's a virus!!! |
Virus alert, Folks. Don't open email from Marcia de Klerk. If you delete it, also
delete it then from your Deleted Items folder.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Milt
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:55 AM
Subject: Barry
Well Barry turned out to be just a little wet fart. (the storm that is, not Barry
Hancock) It went ashore well West of Big Als new home and even though I havent
talked to him Im sure he's OK. You could actually scud run along the Florida
panhandle coast this AM. Severe clear hear here in GPT. I suspect the Guys
in Northern Florida and Georgia will see worse weather from Barry than we did.
Milt
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| From: | Tylor Hall <thall5(at)kc.rr.com> |
Gang,
I just got hit with another virus from the chat list.
My Norton just went off and I have deleted it. Make sure you empty your
trash as well.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorh(at)sound.net> |
Big Al,
I guess that Barry was not the big blow hard it was cracked up to be.
What are the other Barry's like?
We will see later this month.
I take it everything is OK down your way???
We still on for going to the fly in??
Regards,
Tylor Hall
tylorh(at)sound.net
913-422-8869
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Reed [mailto:allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:12 PM
To: commanderchat(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com
Subject: RNCP
Hey,what happened to the B.J. the damned weatherman promised me? AL
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| From: | Barry Hancock <bdogltd(at)pacbell.net> |
Well Barry turned out to be just a little wet fart. (the storm that is, not Barry
Hancock)
I've been called worse but thanks for the clarification, Milt!
Barry
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| From: | Deborah Looman <whiteslave2(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Bandit! 12 o'clock low! |
After flying up to Morris' place, over the coastal range to Watsonville,
then back down to SNA/John Wayne airport via the coastal route on a crystal
clear day, I made my way down to Arizona for some business and to pick up my
mother in Tucson.
The day began with a short flight from DVT in Phoenix north to Prescott.
With building cumulus rising above the high desert floor and the morning sun
painting the numerous rock formations in the area I shot my first short
approach...full flaps, 17" and a 30 degree bank from abeam the threshold.
680E came around like she was on rails and touched down at the captain's
bars with her nose proudly in the air until the wings would no longer carry
it. My first true greaser in the AC.
With business finished in Prescott, I blasted out of Love field just ahead
of the approaching build-ups for the 50 min. flight down to Tucson Int'l.
It was to be my mom's first flight in 680E.
At *only* 103 degrees, the Tucson tarmac was not producing the boiling gas
tornadoes I had experienced on the runway a few weeks earlier in Phoenix.
After watching a flight of 4 F-16's depart (minus afterburner,
June 20, 2001 - August 08, 2001
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