Commander-Archive.digest.vol-au
December 15, 2002 - January 08, 2003
> 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
> It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly
> Aerospace parts.
> www.kellyaerospace.com
> <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
>
> Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM.
> Lots of food.
>
> Full Power and go like the wind.
>
> N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B
> based here.
> Note: There is going to be special discounts for
> TCFG member on fuel,
> parts, and hangar rental.
> There is no sales tax on aviation parts in
> Colorado.
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> 970-731-2127
> winddancer(at)centurytel.net
>
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
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Buddy Windham
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Name Barry's Baby |
Barry and Deb,
Congratulations on you new arrival.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
OK. Names I'm sure you're already considering are
Mao Tze Hancock
Marx Stalin Hancock
C.J. Hancock ...
Funny, Cade Jameson Hancock is on the list...I didn't pick it, Deb did!
Amazing, 24 hours ago he was T minus 30 min..
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Buddy,
The engine STC is SE124-SO and the Airframe STC is SA-193-SO.
Let me request the drawings. We do not have them here at this time.
It will take a little bit to digest everything.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
Turbo Chargers for a 560e........Where do I send my
money. Been looking for this for a long, long, time.
Please advise.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
How about turbocharging the 520? Shouldnt be much different than the 520.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
>
> Turbo Chargers for a 560e........Where do I send my
> money. Been looking for this for a long, long, time.
> Please advise.
>
>
> --- Tylor Hall wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Commander Gang,
> > I have been off the net for a couple of weeks
> > opening a new FBO at 2V1,
> > Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services,
> > Inc. 970-731-2127.
> > We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
> >
> > I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the
> > dream again. I was tired of
> > others and had to start something new.
> >
> > Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
> > EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public
> > company.
> > www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web
> > page.
> >
> > This is the box into which I am going to put a lot
> > of stuff. We have a
> > letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay
> > turbos from Kelly
> > Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the
> > 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
> > It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly
> > Aerospace parts.
> > www.kellyaerospace.com
> > <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
> >
> > Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM.
> > Lots of food.
> >
> > Full Power and go like the wind.
> >
> > N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B
> > based here.
> > Note: There is going to be special discounts for
> > TCFG member on fuel,
> > parts, and hangar rental.
> > There is no sales tax on aviation parts in
> > Colorado.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tylor Hall
> > 970-731-2127
> > winddancer(at)centurytel.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on the
> > this
> > generous
> > _->
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > latest messages.
> > List members.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> >
> Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
>
> Buddy Windham
>
> Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
>
> 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> Grandville, Michigan 49418
> 616 896-6488 office
> 616 896-6490 fax
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Web site changes |
All,
For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander web
site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just hasn't
allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided to
place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's future.
Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from now
on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and re-addressing.
If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of the
internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will be
your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll get
to see a lot of new content coming online now.
Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Tyler,
Congratulations on our baby, too. May it also grow and prosper. You don't
need to "house break" it.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs,
CO.
>
>
> Commander Gang,
> I have been off the net for a couple of weeks opening a new FBO at 2V1,
> Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. 970-731-2127.
> We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
>
> I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the dream again. I was tired
of
> others and had to start something new.
>
> Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
> EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public company.
> www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web page.
>
> This is the box into which I am going to put a lot of stuff. We have a
> letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay turbos from Kelly
> Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the 500, 500A, 500B,U, &
S.
> It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly Aerospace parts.
> www.kellyaerospace.com <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
>
> Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM. Lots of food.
>
> Full Power and go like the wind.
>
> N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B based here.
> Note: There is going to be special discounts for TCFG member on fuel,
> parts, and hangar rental.
> There is no sales tax on aviation parts in Colorado.
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> 970-731-2127
> winddancer(at)centurytel.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Web site changes |
Thanks again Chris for all you have done.
Thanks again Jimbob for all you do.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Web site changes
>
> All,
> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander web
> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just hasn't
> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided to
> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's future.
> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from now
> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and re-addressing.
> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of the
> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will be
> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll get
> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
>
> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 7.0 lbs, 19 1/4 inches |
Congratulations to you both. That's pretty neat. I can still remember when
both of mine arrived, and in this business I was pretty lucky.
In another couple of months you will get some sleep. That will be good. In
a couple of years he will be "house broken". Seems good but, will at first
be bad. What was once in the diaper is now all over the bathroom.
It's still pretty neat.
bilbo
> No, it's not a scale airplane, IT'S A BOY!!!!! Baby Boy Hancock (still
> labor. Calling on my years as a catcher, I was able to receive without
> dropping and Deborah and baby are GREAT! We had the baby at home...what
> a blessing.
>
> I'm humbled beyond measure and only hope I can prepare him to follow
> Heavenly Father's plan for him.
>
> Barry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Bruce,
Since the 520 is a different TC, I think it would involve a whole new STC.
That would involve a lot of cost, and with so few aircraft to put it on, the
individual cost may not work out.
We will concentrate on the existing STC's and supporting them. We did have
a discussion with our new DER, Jim Nell about new installations. He will
have an office in our hangar.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-73d1-2127
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
How about turbocharging the 520? Shouldnt be much different than the 520.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
>
> Turbo Chargers for a 560e........Where do I send my
> money. Been looking for this for a long, long, time.
> Please advise.
>
>
> --- Tylor Hall wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Commander Gang,
> > I have been off the net for a couple of weeks
> > opening a new FBO at 2V1,
> > Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services,
> > Inc. 970-731-2127.
> > We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
> >
> > I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the
> > dream again. I was tired of
> > others and had to start something new.
> >
> > Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
> > EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public
> > company.
> > www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web
> > page.
> >
> > This is the box into which I am going to put a lot
> > of stuff. We have a
> > letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay
> > turbos from Kelly
> > Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the
> > 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
> > It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly
> > Aerospace parts.
> > www.kellyaerospace.com
> > <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
> >
> > Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM.
> > Lots of food.
> >
> > Full Power and go like the wind.
> >
> > N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B
> > based here.
> > Note: There is going to be special discounts for
> > TCFG member on fuel,
> > parts, and hangar rental.
> > There is no sales tax on aviation parts in
> > Colorado.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tylor Hall
> > 970-731-2127
> > winddancer(at)centurytel.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Click on the
> > this
> > generous
> > _->
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > latest messages.
> > List members.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> >
> Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
>
> Buddy Windham
>
> Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
>
> 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> Grandville, Michigan 49418
> 616 896-6488 office
> 616 896-6490 fax
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator |
Tylor,
What would the prices be for a generator for a 680, new and overhauled.
Thanks,
Todd
todd(at)inpnet.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
Randy,
This is what I have been working on and could not talk about until it
was
public because we are part of a public company.
I want to get the STC's going and add the parts sales.
I need to order in a stock of parts from Kelly. The bad news was that
the
previous owner took all of the parts and the shelves. The good new is
the
previous owner took all the parts. We will stock up on new parts.
What parts can I stock for Twin Commanders?
Starters, MagnaFlite light weight starters, Mags, generators,
alternators,
Janitrol Heaters, Carburetors, servos, Turbochargers, waste gates,
controllers. New and factory overhauled.
Send me part numbers.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Bow,
It is house broken now, but the mess that was left indicated that it was not
house broken before.
We are cleaning, painting, and throwing out the old dippers. There is a
mess around all the oil drums you do not want to know about.
Should all be done by Friday. Not the guy Friday, this Friday. Open House.
If I offer some free AVGAS, will someone come??
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
Tyler,
Congratulations on our baby, too. May it also grow and prosper. You don't
need to "house break" it.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs,
CO.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator |
Is that a Starter/Generator combo?
Thanks JRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org>
Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator
>
> Tylor,
>
> What would the prices be for a generator for a 680, new and overhauled.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd
> todd(at)inpnet.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
> Hall
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> Springs, CO.
>
>
>
>
> Randy,
> This is what I have been working on and could not talk about until it
> was
> public because we are part of a public company.
>
> I want to get the STC's going and add the parts sales.
>
> I need to order in a stock of parts from Kelly. The bad news was that
> the
> previous owner took all of the parts and the shelves. The good new is
> the
> previous owner took all the parts. We will stock up on new parts.
>
> What parts can I stock for Twin Commanders?
> Starters, MagnaFlite light weight starters, Mags, generators,
> alternators,
> Janitrol Heaters, Carburetors, servos, Turbochargers, waste gates,
> controllers. New and factory overhauled.
>
> Send me part numbers.
>
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 970-731-2127
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Sneed, Glen" <Glen.Sneed(at)qwest.com> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Sp |
rings, CO.
Tylor,
I went looking in the FAA DB for N685LM. The DB indicates it is an unused
and not reserved tail number.
Did you find out who this airframe belongs to?
I wonder if Sir Barry (#007) has any info.
I am still planning to attend the Open House. We are still trying to make
arrangement with the old J-O-B.
I hope a few other list members will be there.
Bongo52
-----Original Message-----
From: Tylor Hall [mailto:winddancer(at)centurytel.net]
Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
Commander Gang,
I have been off the net for a couple of weeks opening a new FBO at 2V1,
Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. 970-731-2127.
We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the dream again. I was tired of
others and had to start something new.
Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public company.
www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web page.
This is the box into which I am going to put a lot of stuff. We have a
letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay turbos from Kelly
Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly Aerospace parts.
www.kellyaerospace.com <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM. Lots of food.
Full Power and go like the wind.
N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B based here.
Note: There is going to be special discounts for TCFG member on fuel,
parts, and hangar rental.
There is no sales tax on aviation parts in Colorado.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
970-731-2127
winddancer(at)centurytel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator |
The starter works fine, it's just the generator that gave up the ghost.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry R.
Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator
Is that a Starter/Generator combo?
Thanks JRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org>
Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator
>
> Tylor,
>
> What would the prices be for a generator for a 680, new and
overhauled.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd
> todd(at)inpnet.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
> Hall
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
Pagosa
> Springs, CO.
>
>
>
>
> Randy,
> This is what I have been working on and could not talk about until it
> was
> public because we are part of a public company.
>
> I want to get the STC's going and add the parts sales.
>
> I need to order in a stock of parts from Kelly. The bad news was that
> the
> previous owner took all of the parts and the shelves. The good new is
> the
> previous owner took all the parts. We will stock up on new parts.
>
> What parts can I stock for Twin Commanders?
> Starters, MagnaFlite light weight starters, Mags, generators,
> alternators,
> Janitrol Heaters, Carburetors, servos, Turbochargers, waste gates,
> controllers. New and factory overhauled.
>
> Send me part numbers.
>
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 970-731-2127
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation - Generator |
In a message dated 12/16/02 10:33:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
todd(at)inpnet.org writes:
> The starter works fine, it's just the generator that gave up the ghost.
>
Try Harry Merritt, 321-267-3141 or Morris Kernick 510-783-3028 or Jack
Chappell 909-371-7513. Good Luck. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Sp |
rings, CO.
Hi Gang!
N685LM could be a mis-read of N685LW. That's registered to "685 Aircraft Corp".,
but address is Dover, Delaware.
Did you buy Dover from us? We had one under the White Cliffs of................!
Hey! We'd like it back please, it's one of our most important ports for getting
to & from France.
Second thoughts, keep it.....................!!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sneed, Glen" <Glen.Sneed(at)qwest.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Sp
rings, CO.
|
| Tylor,
| I went looking in the FAA DB for N685LM. The DB indicates it is an unused
| and not reserved tail number.
|
| Did you find out who this airframe belongs to?
|
| I wonder if Sir Barry (#007) has any info.
|
| I am still planning to attend the Open House. We are still trying to make
| arrangement with the old J-O-B.
|
| I hope a few other list members will be there.
| Bongo52
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Tylor Hall [mailto:winddancer(at)centurytel.net]
| To: Commander-List
| Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
| Springs, CO.
|
|
|
|
|
| Commander Gang,
| I have been off the net for a couple of weeks opening a new FBO at 2V1,
| Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. 970-731-2127.
| We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
|
| I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the dream again. I was tired of
| others and had to start something new.
|
| Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
| EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public company.
| www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web page.
|
| This is the box into which I am going to put a lot of stuff. We have a
| letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay turbos from Kelly
| Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
| It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly Aerospace parts.
| www.kellyaerospace.com <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
|
| Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM. Lots of food.
|
| Full Power and go like the wind.
|
| N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B based here.
| Note: There is going to be special discounts for TCFG member on fuel,
| parts, and hangar rental.
| There is no sales tax on aviation parts in Colorado.
|
| Regards,
| Tylor Hall
| 970-731-2127
| winddancer(at)centurytel.net
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Taylor,
If I'm not mistaken don't those stcs also cover the 560A model as well. It
would make a nice addition to my airplane
Thanks
John Williams
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
>
>
> Bruce,
> Since the 520 is a different TC, I think it would involve a whole new STC.
> That would involve a lot of cost, and with so few aircraft to put it on,
the
> individual cost may not work out.
>
> We will concentrate on the existing STC's and supporting them. We did
have
> a discussion with our new DER, Jim Nell about new installations. He will
> have an office in our hangar.
>
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 970-73d1-2127
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
> Campbell
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> Springs, CO.
>
>
>
> How about turbocharging the 520? Shouldnt be much different than the 520.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> Springs, CO.
>
>
> >
> > Turbo Chargers for a 560e........Where do I send my
> > money. Been looking for this for a long, long, time.
> > Please advise.
> >
> >
> > --- Tylor Hall wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Commander Gang,
> > > I have been off the net for a couple of weeks
> > > opening a new FBO at 2V1,
> > > Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services,
> > > Inc. 970-731-2127.
> > > We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
> > >
> > > I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the
> > > dream again. I was tired of
> > > others and had to start something new.
> > >
> > > Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
> > > EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public
> > > company.
> > > www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web
> > > page.
> > >
> > > This is the box into which I am going to put a lot
> > > of stuff. We have a
> > > letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay
> > > turbos from Kelly
> > > Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the
> > > 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
> > > It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly
> > > Aerospace parts.
> > > www.kellyaerospace.com
> > > <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
> > >
> > > Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM.
> > > Lots of food.
> > >
> > > Full Power and go like the wind.
> > >
> > > N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B
> > > based here.
> > > Note: There is going to be special discounts for
> > > TCFG member on fuel,
> > > parts, and hangar rental.
> > > There is no sales tax on aviation parts in
> > > Colorado.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tylor Hall
> > > 970-731-2127
> > > winddancer(at)centurytel.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Click on the
> > > this
> > > generous
> > > _->
> > > Contributions
> > > any other
> > > Forums.
> > >
> > > latest messages.
> > > List members.
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> > >
> > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
> > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> >
> > Buddy Windham
> >
> > Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> > General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
> >
> > 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> > Grandville, Michigan 49418
> > 616 896-6488 office
> > 616 896-6490 fax
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
A nice color paint job would make a nice addition to the Marathon(560A)
Beacon
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
>
> Taylor,
> If I'm not mistaken don't those stcs also cover the 560A model as well. It
> would make a nice addition to my airplane
> Thanks
> John Williams
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> Springs, CO.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bruce,
> > Since the 520 is a different TC, I think it would involve a whole new
STC.
> > That would involve a lot of cost, and with so few aircraft to put it on,
> the
> > individual cost may not work out.
> >
> > We will concentrate on the existing STC's and supporting them. We did
> have
> > a discussion with our new DER, Jim Nell about new installations. He
will
> > have an office in our hangar.
> >
> > Tylor Hall
> > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > 970-73d1-2127
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
> > Campbell
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> > Springs, CO.
> >
> >
> >
> > How about turbocharging the 520? Shouldnt be much different than the
520.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> > Springs, CO.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Turbo Chargers for a 560e........Where do I send my
> > > money. Been looking for this for a long, long, time.
> > > Please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Tylor Hall wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Commander Gang,
> > > > I have been off the net for a couple of weeks
> > > > opening a new FBO at 2V1,
> > > > Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services,
> > > > Inc. 970-731-2127.
> > > > We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
> > > >
> > > > I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the
> > > > dream again. I was tired of
> > > > others and had to start something new.
> > > >
> > > > Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
> > > > EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public
> > > > company.
> > > > www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web
> > > > page.
> > > >
> > > > This is the box into which I am going to put a lot
> > > > of stuff. We have a
> > > > letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay
> > > > turbos from Kelly
> > > > Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the
> > > > 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
> > > > It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly
> > > > Aerospace parts.
> > > > www.kellyaerospace.com
> > > > <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
> > > >
> > > > Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM.
> > > > Lots of food.
> > > >
> > > > Full Power and go like the wind.
> > > >
> > > > N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B
> > > > based here.
> > > > Note: There is going to be special discounts for
> > > > TCFG member on fuel,
> > > > parts, and hangar rental.
> > > > There is no sales tax on aviation parts in
> > > > Colorado.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tylor Hall
> > > > 970-731-2127
> > > > winddancer(at)centurytel.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Click on the
> > > > this
> > > > generous
> > > > _->
> > > > Contributions
> > > > any other
> > > > Forums.
> > > >
> > > > latest messages.
> > > > List members.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> > > >
> > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > >
> > > Buddy Windham
> > >
> > > Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> > > General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
> > >
> > > 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> > > Grandville, Michigan 49418
> > > 616 896-6488 office
> > > 616 896-6490 fax
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Glen,
It was N685LW and it lives in Arizona and comes here often. It looks great
in Black and white.
Looking forward to seeing you. Do you like cheese cake or pecan pie?
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
Tylor,
I went looking in the FAA DB for N685LM. The DB indicates it is an unused
and not reserved tail number.
Did you find out who this airframe belongs to?
I wonder if Sir Barry (#007) has any info.
I am still planning to attend the Open House. We are still trying to make
arrangement with the old J-O-B.
I hope a few other list members will be there.
Bongo52
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
John,
Is you're a 560 A with the GO-480-B or a 560A-AH with the GO-480-G1B6?
I do not have all of the information here. There is an STC for the 560A and
a different STC for the 560E.
It is one of the early ones, and I will have to research it a little.
It may take an EO (engineering order) to make the FAA happy.
Give me a call.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
Taylor,
If I'm not mistaken don't those stcs also cover the 560A model as well. It
would make a nice addition to my airplane
Thanks
John Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
NOOOO-----that's the only way Santa can find MTH once the weather gets bad.!
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
Springs, CO.
>
> A nice color paint job would make a nice addition to the Marathon(560A)
> Beacon
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> Springs, CO.
>
>
>
> >
> > Taylor,
> > If I'm not mistaken don't those stcs also cover the 560A model as well.
It
> > would make a nice addition to my airplane
> > Thanks
> > John Williams
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa
> > Springs, CO.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce,
> > > Since the 520 is a different TC, I think it would involve a whole new
> STC.
> > > That would involve a lot of cost, and with so few aircraft to put it
on,
> > the
> > > individual cost may not work out.
> > >
> > > We will concentrate on the existing STC's and supporting them. We did
> > have
> > > a discussion with our new DER, Jim Nell about new installations. He
> will
> > > have an office in our hangar.
> > >
> > > Tylor Hall
> > > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > > 970-73d1-2127
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
> > > Campbell
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
Pagosa
> > > Springs, CO.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How about turbocharging the 520? Shouldnt be much different than the
> 520.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
Pagosa
> > > Springs, CO.
> > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > Turbo Chargers for a 560e........Where do I send my
> > > > money. Been looking for this for a long, long, time.
> > > > Please advise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Tylor Hall wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Commander Gang,
> > > > > I have been off the net for a couple of weeks
> > > > > opening a new FBO at 2V1,
> > > > > Pagosa Springs, CO. Wind Dancer Aviation Services,
> > > > > Inc. 970-731-2127.
> > > > > We closed on the hangar last Thursday.
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to thank Chris and Dan for giving me the
> > > > > dream again. I was tired of
> > > > > others and had to start something new.
> > > > >
> > > > > Come one come all, fuel discounts to TCFG members.
> > > > > EENT is the stock ticker of the parent public
> > > > > company.
> > > > > www.eent.net <http://www.eent.net/> is the web
> > > > > page.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the box into which I am going to put a lot
> > > > > of stuff. We have a
> > > > > letter of intent to purchase 35 STCs of the Rajay
> > > > > turbos from Kelly
> > > > > Aerospace. This includes the ones for 560s and the
> > > > > 500, 500A, 500B,U, & S.
> > > > > It also makes us a master distributor for Kelly
> > > > > Aerospace parts.
> > > > > www.kellyaerospace.com
> > > > > <http://www.kellyaerospace.com/>
> > > > >
> > > > > Open House next Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. 1PM-4PM.
> > > > > Lots of food.
> > > > >
> > > > > Full Power and go like the wind.
> > > > >
> > > > > N685LM just landed here last night. There is a 690B
> > > > > based here.
> > > > > Note: There is going to be special discounts for
> > > > > TCFG member on fuel,
> > > > > parts, and hangar rental.
> > > > > There is no sales tax on aviation parts in
> > > > > Colorado.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Tylor Hall
> > > > > 970-731-2127
> > > > > winddancer(at)centurytel.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Click on the
> > > > > this
> > > > > generous
> > > > > _->
> > > > > Contributions
> > > > > any other
> > > > > Forums.
> > > > >
> > > > > latest messages.
> > > > > List members.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> > > > >
> > > > Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > >
> > > > Buddy Windham
> > > >
> > > > Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> > > > General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
> > > >
> > > > 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> > > > Grandville, Michigan 49418
> > > > 616 896-6488 office
> > > > 616 896-6490 fax
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Guys,
Please amend your subject heading when the subject changes. This is
especially important as we now only have one list. Also, WCG does a
great job of sniping non-pertinent parts of the email when he replies.
This is important to keep the archive sizes down, which keeps Matt's
cost of running the server down in the long run.
Just remember to "snip" and "subject" each post appropriately and it
will help those of us who have to sort through dozens to hundreds of
emails daily.
Thanks!
Barry
BTW, Baby Hancock is now Caden Russell Hancock (I'm sure Mr. Legg will
raise a pint to that one!)....I tried for Cade Jameson, but she who
endures child bearing and labor has the trump card.... :)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs, |
CO.
Happy Holiday
The 560A Has GO-480 D1A Engines (275 HP )
I Know were the is apair of GO-480 D1A with all Overhauled Acc. For 28,000.00
Each
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc. Pagosa Springs,
CO.
John,
Is you're a 560 A with the GO-480-B or a 560A-AH with the GO-480-G1B6?
I do not have all of the information here. There is an STC for the 560A and
a different STC for the 560E.
It is one of the early ones, and I will have to research it a little.
It may take an EO (engineering order) to make the FAA happy.
Give me a call.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
Taylor,
If I'm not mistaken don't those stcs also cover the 560A model as well. It
would make a nice addition to my airplane
Thanks
John Williams
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Web site changes |
Seeing as how our fearless leader Captain Jimbob is busy enough just being our
fearless leader and living his own life Dan and I have agreed to help him with
the website site. Over the weekend the website was switched to our server as
Chris S had mentioned in his previous email. As we go through a process of change
over the next few weeks any questions, complaints, ideas, sugeestions, offers
to help, etc. should be directed towards either Dan (dan(at)worldflight2000.com)
or myself.
>> It's my hope that we'll get to see a lot of new content coming online now.
We will be adding new content to the website and creating a members only section
of the website so that current paid members of the Twin Commander Flight Group
will have special access to valuable resources regarding Twin Commanders.
The best source of new content is from all of you. Stories, pictures, helpful
hints on how to fly these planes, how to work on them, where to get the parts,
how to fix a part, what breaks etc. Think it up and write it down and send it
to me. Everybody has their homework assignment, now lets make a great web page
even better!!!
Also now is the time to put in request for additions or changes to the website.
Send thoughts and suggestions.
All the Best,
Chris Wall
And thanks again to Chris S. for having the vision to get all of this started.
>
>
>>
>> All,
>> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander web
>> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
>> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just hasn't
>> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided to
>> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's future.
>> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from now
>> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and re-addressing.
>> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of the
>> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
>> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will be
>> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
>> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll get
>> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
>>
>> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Web site changes |
Chris I Own The Domain Name commandersales.com
I Wanted to Make a Web Page that will be able to list
Parts and Aircraft For Sale by Paid Members.
Can you you it??????
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Wall
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
Seeing as how our fearless leader Captain Jimbob is busy enough just being our
fearless leader and living his own life Dan and I have agreed to help him with
the website site. Over the weekend the website was switched to our server
as Chris S had mentioned in his previous email. As we go through a process of
change over the next few weeks any questions, complaints, ideas, sugeestions,
offers to help, etc. should be directed towards either Dan (dan(at)worldflight2000.com)
or myself.
>> It's my hope that we'll get to see a lot of new content coming online now.
We will be adding new content to the website and creating a members only section
of the website so that current paid members of the Twin Commander Flight Group
will have special access to valuable resources regarding Twin Commanders.
The best source of new content is from all of you. Stories, pictures, helpful
hints on how to fly these planes, how to work on them, where to get the parts,
how to fix a part, what breaks etc. Think it up and write it down and send
it to me. Everybody has their homework assignment, now lets make a great web
page even better!!!
Also now is the time to put in request for additions or changes to the website.
Send thoughts and suggestions.
All the Best,
Chris Wall
And thanks again to Chris S. for having the vision to get all of this started.
>
>
>>
>> All,
>> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander web
>> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
>> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just hasn't
>> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided to
>> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's future.
>> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from now
>> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and re-addressing.
>> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of the
>> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
>> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will be
>> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
>> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll get
>> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
>>
>> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
Good suggestion Barry. We might take it one step further to help those
who don't have time for the chat but want to keep an eye on the
technical information by starting the Subject line with either Chat: or
Tech: then people can set up rules that will automatically delete the
Chat: emails and file the Tech: emails in a folder of their own.
Todd
N6229B
AC680
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Hancock
Subject: Commander-List: Request
Guys,
Please amend your subject heading when the subject changes. This is
especially important as we now only have one list. Also, WCG does a
great job of sniping non-pertinent parts of the email when he replies.
This is important to keep the archive sizes down, which keeps Matt's
cost of running the server down in the long run.
Just remember to "snip" and "subject" each post appropriately and it
will help those of us who have to sort through dozens to hundreds of
emails daily.
Thanks!
Barry
BTW, Baby Hancock is now Caden Russell Hancock (I'm sure Mr. Legg will
raise a pint to that one!)....I tried for Cade Jameson, but she who
endures child bearing and labor has the trump card.... :)
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Web site changes |
Hi Chris!
Great news, well done lads!
If you need any help from me, you know you've only got to ask. I'm admittedly
right up to my eyes in Commanders right now, so responses may be a tad slow, but
I'll get there.
Am helping some guys produce some Commander models for Flight Simulator 2002.
They really are going into lots of detail (like animated brake line hoses!!), so
it's pretty hard work, well, a lot of it, but it's fun too!
Also on the go, with three other guys, is 'The Book' on Commanders. So, that
too, is taking up a lot of spare time.
But, we need to capitalise on the splendid start Chris Schuermann gave us, and
can think of nobody better but you and Dan to pick up the baton.
From one admirer, Thank You!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
|
| Seeing as how our fearless leader Captain Jimbob is busy enough just being our
fearless leader and living his own life Dan and I have agreed to help him with
the website site. Over the weekend the website was switched to our server as
Chris S had mentioned in his previous email. As we go through a process of
change over the next few weeks any questions, complaints, ideas, sugeestions,
offers to help, etc. should be directed towards either Dan
(dan(at)worldflight2000.com) or myself.
|
| >> It's my hope that we'll get to see a lot of new content coming online now.
|
| We will be adding new content to the website and creating a members only
section of the website so that current paid members of the Twin Commander Flight
Group will have special access to valuable resources regarding Twin Commanders.
The best source of new content is from all of you. Stories, pictures, helpful
hints on how to fly these planes, how to work on them, where to get the parts,
how to fix a part, what breaks etc. Think it up and write it down and send it to
me. Everybody has their homework assignment, now lets make a great web page
even better!!!
|
| Also now is the time to put in request for additions or changes to the
website. Send thoughts and suggestions.
|
| All the Best,
| Chris Wall
|
| And thanks again to Chris S. for having the vision to get all of this started.
|
| >
| >
| >>
| >> All,
| >> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander web
| >> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
| >> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just hasn't
| >> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided to
| >> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's future.
| >> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from now
| >> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and re-addressing.
| >> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of the
| >> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
| >> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will be
| >> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
| >> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll get
| >> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
| >>
| >> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Todd,
This is a great idea. I REALLY value the technical information, however,
most days I simply do not have the time to read so many postings.
Thanx
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
Sir Barry,
Has there ever been a Commander with a SAR(Side Apature Radar) installed?
I have a nephew at the Sandia National Laboratory who may try to get one
installed.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
Bilbo,
I was talking with Bill Williams at Air Matrix last night about this very
same application. They do the avionics and electronics for side scan radar
and IR with video. It includes the ability to broadcast is down to a base
camp or bounce it off a satellite to a regional office all in real time.
His phone is 360-435-7343.
We have a customer that we are talking to about installing this in a long
body Twin Commander. A piston Commander is a lower cost to operate than a
turbine at low altitude. We would do the airframe overhaul and engine
upgrades.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bow
Subject: Commander-List: SAR
Sir Barry,
Has there ever been a Commander with a SAR(Side Apature Radar) installed?
I have a nephew at the Sandia National Laboratory who may try to get one
installed.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
Bilbo:
We've experimented with mounting Side-Looking Airborne Radar (SLAR) on
an Aero Commander 560A. There's some choices depending on the system:
wing mount, fuselage mount, etc.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Tylor,
You may recall that I'm currently a Zone Commander in South West British
Columbia for the Government's Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
(similar to CAP in the USA).
I am very interested in the Side scan IR video.
I am also about to obtain an FLP (maybe FL) to replace the B.
Are there any issues arising from retaining the pressure vessel of the cabin
or is it not possible?
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: SAR
>
>
> Bilbo,
> I was talking with Bill Williams at Air Matrix last night about this very
> same application. They do the avionics and electronics for side scan
radar
> and IR with video. It includes the ability to broadcast is down to a base
> camp or bounce it off a satellite to a regional office all in real time.
> His phone is 360-435-7343.
>
> We have a customer that we are talking to about installing this in a long
> body Twin Commander. A piston Commander is a lower cost to operate than a
> turbine at low altitude. We would do the airframe overhaul and engine
> upgrades.
>
>
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 970-731-2127
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bow
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: SAR
>
>
> Sir Barry,
>
> Has there ever been a Commander with a SAR(Side Apature Radar) installed?
>
> I have a nephew at the Sandia National Laboratory who may try to get one
> installed.
>
> bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Web site changes |
OK Lads!
I own the Domain Name "CommanderGroup.com", now there's a name that might
apply.
Remember I'm looking for an FLP!
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
>
> Chris I Own The Domain Name commandersales.com
> I Wanted to Make a Web Page that will be able to list
> Parts and Aircraft For Sale by Paid Members.
> Can you you it??????
> Harry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Wall
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
>
>
>
> Seeing as how our fearless leader Captain Jimbob is busy enough just
being our fearless leader and living his own life Dan and I have agreed to
help him with the website site. Over the weekend the website was switched
to our server as Chris S had mentioned in his previous email. As we go
through a process of change over the next few weeks any questions,
complaints, ideas, sugeestions, offers to help, etc. should be directed
towards either Dan (dan(at)worldflight2000.com) or myself.
>
> >> It's my hope that we'll get to see a lot of new content coming online
now.
>
> We will be adding new content to the website and creating a members only
section of the website so that current paid members of the Twin Commander
Flight Group will have special access to valuable resources regarding Twin
Commanders. The best source of new content is from all of you. Stories,
pictures, helpful hints on how to fly these planes, how to work on them,
where to get the parts, how to fix a part, what breaks etc. Think it up and
write it down and send it to me. Everybody has their homework assignment,
now lets make a great web page even better!!!
>
> Also now is the time to put in request for additions or changes to the
website. Send thoughts and suggestions.
>
> All the Best,
> Chris Wall
>
> And thanks again to Chris S. for having the vision to get all of this
started.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> All,
> >> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander web
> >> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
> >> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just hasn't
> >> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided
to
> >> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's future.
> >> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from
now
> >> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and re-addressing.
> >> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of
the
> >> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
> >> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will be
> >> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
> >> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll
get
> >> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
> >>
> >> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
How about an FP, there is one in TAP for sale.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
>
> OK Lads!
>
> I own the Domain Name "CommanderGroup.com", now there's a name that might
> apply.
> Remember I'm looking for an FLP!
>
> Tom...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
>
>
>
> >
> > Chris I Own The Domain Name commandersales.com
> > I Wanted to Make a Web Page that will be able to list
> > Parts and Aircraft For Sale by Paid Members.
> > Can you you it??????
> > Harry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Wall
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Seeing as how our fearless leader Captain Jimbob is busy enough just
> being our fearless leader and living his own life Dan and I have agreed to
> help him with the website site. Over the weekend the website was switched
> to our server as Chris S had mentioned in his previous email. As we go
> through a process of change over the next few weeks any questions,
> complaints, ideas, sugeestions, offers to help, etc. should be directed
> towards either Dan (dan(at)worldflight2000.com) or myself.
> >
> > >> It's my hope that we'll get to see a lot of new content coming
online
> now.
> >
> > We will be adding new content to the website and creating a members
only
> section of the website so that current paid members of the Twin Commander
> Flight Group will have special access to valuable resources regarding Twin
> Commanders. The best source of new content is from all of you. Stories,
> pictures, helpful hints on how to fly these planes, how to work on them,
> where to get the parts, how to fix a part, what breaks etc. Think it up
and
> write it down and send it to me. Everybody has their homework assignment,
> now lets make a great web page even better!!!
> >
> > Also now is the time to put in request for additions or changes to the
> website. Send thoughts and suggestions.
> >
> > All the Best,
> > Chris Wall
> >
> > And thanks again to Chris S. for having the vision to get all of this
> started.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> All,
> > >> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander
web
> > >> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates or
> > >> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just
hasn't
> > >> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've decided
> to
> > >> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's
future.
> > >> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site from
> now
> > >> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and
re-addressing.
> > >> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness of
> the
> > >> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the same
> > >> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim will
be
> > >> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
> > >> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that we'll
> get
> > >> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
> > >>
> > >> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Chat: non aviation question |
Guys,
I am sorry to have to ask you this, but a customer of mine defaulted on
payment and now I have to move quickly to get some money in. I sank a ton of
money into projects ready for patent filing and IPO.
Would anyone be interested in buying my Rolex? It cost about $5,000 and it
would be a good buy at $3,000. Please let me know as soon as possible. If
you're not interested, I will understand.
I will send pics if necessary.
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Long body only thank you.
T.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: FLP
>
> How about an FP, there is one in TAP for sale.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
>
>
>
> >
> > OK Lads!
> >
> > I own the Domain Name "CommanderGroup.com", now there's a name that
might
> > apply.
> > Remember I'm looking for an FLP!
> >
> > Tom...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Chris I Own The Domain Name commandersales.com
> > > I Wanted to Make a Web Page that will be able to list
> > > Parts and Aircraft For Sale by Paid Members.
> > > Can you you it??????
> > > Harry
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chris Wall
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:48 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Web site changes
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Seeing as how our fearless leader Captain Jimbob is busy enough just
> > being our fearless leader and living his own life Dan and I have agreed
to
> > help him with the website site. Over the weekend the website was
switched
> > to our server as Chris S had mentioned in his previous email. As we go
> > through a process of change over the next few weeks any questions,
> > complaints, ideas, sugeestions, offers to help, etc. should be directed
> > towards either Dan (dan(at)worldflight2000.com) or myself.
> > >
> > > >> It's my hope that we'll get to see a lot of new content coming
> online
> > now.
> > >
> > > We will be adding new content to the website and creating a members
> only
> > section of the website so that current paid members of the Twin
Commander
> > Flight Group will have special access to valuable resources regarding
Twin
> > Commanders. The best source of new content is from all of you.
Stories,
> > pictures, helpful hints on how to fly these planes, how to work on them,
> > where to get the parts, how to fix a part, what breaks etc. Think it up
> and
> > write it down and send it to me. Everybody has their homework
assignment,
> > now lets make a great web page even better!!!
> > >
> > > Also now is the time to put in request for additions or changes to
the
> > website. Send thoughts and suggestions.
> > >
> > > All the Best,
> > > Chris Wall
> > >
> > > And thanks again to Chris S. for having the vision to get all of
this
> > started.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> All,
> > > >> For those who don't know, I have entrusted Jim with the Commander
> web
> > > >> site. As everyone has noticed, there have not been many updates
or
> > > >> additions to the site in a while. My personal situation just
> hasn't
> > > >> allowed the time or energy to properly maintain it, so I've
decided
> > to
> > > >> place it in the hands of someone who can and will see to it's
> future.
> > > >> Jim, along with various "helpers" will be maintaining the site
from
> > now
> > > >> on. I am currently assisting with it's relocation and
> re-addressing.
> > > >> If the site is unavailable, don't panic. Due to the strangeness
of
> > the
> > > >> internet, address changes don't propogate to everywhere at the
same
> > > >> time. If you have any web site problems after this week, Jim
will
> be
> > > >> your new contact. Please support him with COTM's, new stories,
> > > >> pictures, etc as you have me in the past. It's my hope that
we'll
> > get
> > > >> to see a lot of new content coming online now.
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris (flightless in Tulsa) Schuermann
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry.Collman(at)airclaims.co.uk |
18/12/2002 09:24:55
Hi Chaps,
I already replied direct to bilbo on this. Some Commanders were fitted with
SLAR (Side-Looking Airborne Radar) many years ago. I hadn't heard of SAR
(Synthetic Aperture Radar).
There's a company here in the UK that uses a Turbo Commander to undertake
mapping projects using radar, Cooper Aerial Surveys Ltd.. This involves
having pods either side of the fuselage near the front of the cabin.
However, because the fuselage flexes when pressurization takes place, this
would cause the radar pods to move apart, and they would lose their
definition. Therefore a metal bar was inserted transversely through the
fuselage, and the pods were mounted at each end.
The system is STC'd under SA00884NY, and may be SAR. I don't know enough
about radar systems to confirm it though!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C.
"Bow"
Sent by: To:
owner-commander-list-server@ma cc:
tronics.com Subject: Commander-List:
SAR
17/12/2002 21:02
Please respond to
commander-list
Sir Barry,
Has there ever been a Commander with a SAR(Side Apature Radar) installed?
I have a nephew at the Sandia National Laboratory who may try to get one
installed.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
Where is the aft pressure bulkhead on the pressurized Commanders?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
The wall behind the back seat.
JR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: SAR
>
> Where is the aft pressure bulkhead on the pressurized Commanders?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Behind the rear seat. It devides the cabin from the baggage compartment.
All cabels, cannon plugs and so forth that go through this bulkhead must be
sealed. Also, the upholstery in this area is "glued on" rather than '
screwed down"
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. |
Dennis,
Phone number is 615 714 2724. Please continue to pass on the details.
Thanks
Bill in TN
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: KOSH commander group camping in the CC area. |
Capt JB,
My PIC says check out the farmhouse. There will be two couples and a 2 year
old. Non-smoking a must, king bed a want-to, separate rooms for each couple
(baby makes 3).
Very interested. Thanks for the heads-up.
Bill in TN
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
In the 685 it is behind the aft seat. Also the floor, not the fuselage is
the pressure vessel
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: SAR
>
> Where is the aft pressure bulkhead on the pressurized Commanders?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 7.0 lbs, 19 1/4 inches |
Barry,
May the LORD bless him and keep him. May the LORD make His face shine upon
him and be gracious to him. May the LORD lift up His countenance upon him and
give him peace.
May the LORD bless you and Deborah as you raise him up in the way he should
go.
In the Name of Yeshua (Jesus),
Bill in TN (JIll says AMEN!)
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Glenn Sneed" <srglenn1(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 7.0 lbs, 19 1/4 inches |
Amen and Amen,
bongo52
----- Original Message -----
From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 7.0 lbs, 19 1/4 inches
>
> Barry,
>
> May the LORD bless him and keep him. May the LORD make His face shine upon
> him and be gracious to him. May the LORD lift up His countenance upon him
and
> give him peace.
>
> May the LORD bless you and Deborah as you raise him up in the way he
should
> go.
>
> In the Name of Yeshua (Jesus),
>
> Bill in TN (JIll says AMEN!)
> N69PT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS......
I finally moved triple 2 home after a week at Troutdale.
Flew to Aurora State first to pick up a temp probe for my new Becker com.
Nice to be back in the air again!!
Also, spoke with Merlin products today and Larry Wokrals 500B flew
today for the first time with the new 320 hp, single turbo, wide deck engines
installed, all went very well.
And, I have an ex Commander owner who has some parts to sell,
including brake pucks for the Goodyear's, anybody need any??
I am planing a trip in triple to Sandpoint, ID for Christmas, weather
permitting. I hope to meet with Ernie Martin, owner of a 560A (HC) (and a
Grumman Albatross, Grumman Mallard and Cessna Citation). He will be
installing the "Heavy Hartzel" propellers soon and I will be delivering his
STC (and installing his props if he has all the parts by then)
Hope all is well in "Commanderland" jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 560 parts plane for sale |
Hello Chris,
You have already some results with the project N5462Z.
Some feedback is appreciated.
Frits
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 560 parts plane for sale |
Frits-
I have not had a chance to make it up to Dallas. I was hoping to stop by there
on my way to Oklahoma, but we didn't have time. I am planning on making it up
their this weekend. I will keep you posted.
Chris
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:51:36 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hello Chris,
>
>You have already some results with the project N5462Z.
>Some feedback is appreciated.
>
>Frits
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | c130 hercules gunshipl |
| From: | ALLAN L HOFFMAN <alh1(at)juno.com> |
This is spectacular footage of the Air Force's Dragon Gunships working
out in Afghanistan. These are four engine guys with guns sticking out
the side of the fuselage. They are slow and simply go into orbit around
a target. Obviously, we must maintain air supremacy to allow them to
loiter over a target like this. The gunships can lay down a field of
fire which covers every square foot on a football field in less than 10
seconds. However, the weaponry used in this shot must be "smart."
Our Air Force in Action.
Targeting camera from AC-130 in Afghanistan
http://www.kimmershow.com/AC130_Gunship.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS...
I was just pursuing my IA TCDS file and stumbled onto the
PERFECT aircraft engine!! I was actually certified by Lycoming in 1959, but
I have never seen one?? It is a GSO-580. It has the same bore and stroke of
the GO- 435 but had 8 cylinders!! It was supercharged and used the same gear
ratio and the 480 series but made 400 HP for TO. Used a bendix pressure carb
with a huge venture. I WANT ONE!! Actually two. Would that be a cool engine
for my 680F (P) or what!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I WANT ONE!! |
HI DAD.....!
Small point, but yours is a 680E!!!!!!!!!!!
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: I WANT ONE!!
|
| HI KIDS...
|
| I was just pursuing my IA TCDS file and stumbled onto the
| PERFECT aircraft engine!! I was actually certified by Lycoming in 1959, but
| I have never seen one?? It is a GSO-580. It has the same bore and stroke of
| the GO- 435 but had 8 cylinders!! It was supercharged and used the same gear
| ratio and the 480 series but made 400 HP for TO. Used a bendix pressure carb
| with a huge venture. I WANT ONE!! Actually two. Would that be a cool engine
| for my 680F (P) or what!! jb
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: I WANT ONE!! |
In a message dated 12/19/02 3:39:13 PM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> Small point, but yours is a 680E!!!!!!!!!!!
>
Yep, the one I fly is a 680E The one I am making into a homebuilt airplane is
a 680F(P), with a shrike nose. Big project but will be the "commander of my
dreams" when I am finished. I plan to move the pressure bulkhead to the rear
of the baggage area, like the 1000. This will allow the expansion of the
cabin into that area. Also, plan to eliminate the fuel cells and "wet wing"
the airplane, like the 1000. All of the control surfaces and stabilizers
will be reskined with smooth aluminum and it will have gap seals on the
elevator and rudder. I plan a different design winglet, more like the
corporate jets you see and a long stinger tail from a turbine. It will have
"bleed air" preeurization at 5.5 differential and freon A/C. I am
concidering using the belly of the airplane as the pressuer vessel instead
ofthe floor?? I will install electric rudder and elevator trim systems and
about a hundred other things the airplane could really use. Hope I live long
enough to finish it!! jb
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 680F FUEL FLOW GAGE(S) |
Commander drivers,
The fuel flow gage on my 680F(p) with IGSO540B1A engines does not work for
either engine. I have been told that the problem is most likely the
transducers and not the gage. Does anyone have a suggestion as to who could
test or rework the gage and transducers?
Thanx!
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I WANT ONE!! |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> It is a GSO-580.
That is indeed a very cool engine JB. Always wished Lyc had gone
forward with some of the engines that were dropped. How about this one:
a liquid cooled, supercharged, gear-reduced flat 12 designed to fit
inside of the wing of an aircraft!
http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/Images/lyco1230.jpg
Chris Schuermann
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| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: c130 hercules gunshipl |
It's amazing what people would do to one another.
The two towers were 110 floors each filled with computers, desks, cabinets
and thousands of other stuff - and people. A fire fighter said during the
cleanup process, while holding up half of a telephone's IC board, 'it's the
biggest piece of recognizable rubble found so far.' Everything was ground to
a powder. And I think, shoot the crap out of them. Not only because of the
towers, but because they would do it again in a heartbeat and were probably
planning to do just that.
I think it was Tony Blair who said: we shouldn't imagine that if they had an
opportunity to kill 70,000 people on 9/11 that they would have recoiled and
said that it was too many people that would die. They would have jumped at
the opportunity to kill 700,000 people if they could.
It remains sad, however. There should be praises of gratitude going up
because of the accuracy of our boys out there. In the not too distant past,
hundreds of thousands of bystanders would have been sacrificed to root out
the rot. Now, at least, they can be picked off one-by-one. Amazing
technology. An amazing weapon.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "ALLAN L HOFFMAN" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Subject: Commander-List: c130 hercules gunshipl
>
>
> This is spectacular footage of the Air Force's Dragon Gunships working
> out in Afghanistan. These are four engine guys with guns sticking out
> the side of the fuselage. They are slow and simply go into orbit around
> a target. Obviously, we must maintain air supremacy to allow them to
> loiter over a target like this. The gunships can lay down a field of
> fire which covers every square foot on a football field in less than 10
> seconds. However, the weaponry used in this shot must be "smart."
>
> Our Air Force in Action.
>
> Targeting camera from AC-130 in Afghanistan
>
> http://www.kimmershow.com/AC130_Gunship.wmv
>
>
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 680F FUEL FLOW GAGE(S) |
Take the Transducer's out and clean and reinstall!
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 680F FUEL FLOW GAGE(S)
Commander drivers,
The fuel flow gage on my 680F(p) with IGSO540B1A engines does not work for
either engine. I have been told that the problem is most likely the
transducers and not the gage. Does anyone have a suggestion as to who could
test or rework the gage and transducers?
Thanx!
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680F FUEL FLOW GAGE(S) |
Thanks Harry. This is the type of repair that I like (cheap)
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | tech: oxygen system |
Hi all,
I have a 680 with an oxygen system. I need to have it checked out and
repaired so I can get up in the uncrowded airspace. Anyone know of a good
place to have it looked at?
Thanks,
Todd
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| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
The MC-130 gunships have been around a long time and have undergone
numerous upgrades...
<http://www.military.com/NewsContent?file=FL_video_121802&ESRC=army-a.nl>
One of my best buddies flew them over Northern Iraq and Bosnia....he is
PISSED that he's not active duty any more. The AC-130's do more than
just loiter at 17,000 and lay down ordinance. Many of their missions
are actually low-level. Can you imagine ridge hopping in that beast?!!
At night with NVG's?!! My buddy has some amazing video of him evading 2
F-16's at night, low-level. You can hear the voices of the F-16 drivers
getting frustrated that they can't shoot him down....it's a pretty
amazing platform. They can actually see a guy on a street corner
smoking a cigarette on a moonless night from 17,000 feet, and rub him
out with minimal collateral damage...
Merry Christmas everybody! And God Bless the United States of America
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower(at)cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
A Pair of GO-480D1A engines with all ACC.
AVIAN AERONAUTICS
ASK For Pat. $28,000,00 Each
1-800-728-7852
Harry
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
Thanks Moe.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SAR
>
> Behind the rear seat. It devides the cabin from the baggage compartment.
> All cabels, cannon plugs and so forth that go through this bulkhead must
be
> sealed. Also, the upholstery in this area is "glued on" rather than '
> screwed down"
>
> Moe
> N680RR
>
>
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
thanks,
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SAR
>
> The wall behind the back seat.
> JR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: SAR
>
>
> >
> > Where is the aft pressure bulkhead on the pressurized Commanders?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
Thanks, Milt.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SAR
>
> In the 685 it is behind the aft seat. Also the floor, not the fuselage is
> the pressure vessel
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: SAR
>
>
> >
> > Where is the aft pressure bulkhead on the pressurized Commanders?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Oxygen Sys AC680 |
Todd I Just got mine done , and you can take it to any fire extinguisher place
to have it Hydro, they charged me $ 10.00 to check it. you do not have to take
it to an aviation facility. As for the rest of the Sys. its pretty simple, Just
get soap and water and check for leaks, If however you are having trouble with
the Regulator you might have to rebuild the valve. JRS
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| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | RE: tech: Oxygen Sys AC680 |
Thanks Jerry!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry R.
Sprayberry
Subject: Commander-List: Oxygen Sys AC680
Todd I Just got mine done , and you can take it to any fire extinguisher
place to have it Hydro, they charged me $ 10.00 to check it. you do not have
to take it to an aviation facility. As for the rest of the Sys. its pretty
simple, Just get soap and water and check for leaks, If however you are
having trouble with the Regulator you might have to rebuild the valve. JRS
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| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | chat: US Soldiers |
The following passage is from a sermon by John Hagee:
I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at
Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. He stands
barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded from months of
battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from his family
surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. He stands though, with
fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He looks at us now in anger
and disgust and tells us this...I gave you a birthright of freedom born in
the Constitution and now your children graduate too illiterate to read
it. I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you
stay at home because it rains. I left my family destitute to give you the
freedom of speech and you remain silent on critical issues, because it
might be bad for business. I orphaned my children to give you a government
to serve you and it has stolen democracy from the people. It's the soldier
not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the press. It's the soldier
not the campus organizer who allows you to demonstrate. It's the soldier
who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin is draped with the flag
that allows the protester to burn the flag!!! "Lord, hold our troops in
your loving hands. Protect them as they protect us. Bless them and their
families for the selfless acts they perform for us in our time of need. I
ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Amen."
Prayer Wheel: When you receive this, please stop for a moment and say a
prayer for our U.S. Ground troops in Kuwait/Afghanistan, AND all over this
world. May God always continue to bless America!
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: chat: US Soldiers |
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: chat: US Soldiers |
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: chat: US Soldiers |
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| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Hello Outerspace |
Hello out there: Is there anyone at home? Anybody.
Thank you JRS
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello Outerspace |
yep, just not home.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Hello Outerspace
>
> Hello out there: Is there anyone at home? Anybody.
> Thank you JRS
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello Outerspace |
Thanks BOW: I haven't had a post since last night, Is it just this quiet
before Christmas? I guess everyone is out shopping HUH: JRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hello Outerspace
>
> yep, just not home.
> bilbo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Hello Outerspace
>
>
>
> >
> > Hello out there: Is there anyone at home? Anybody.
> > Thank you JRS
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
How accurate are the numbers on the Commander website for the 680FP.
Specifically, load and altitude capability. Will it make it to FL 220 with
4 people onboard and maintain a breathable cabin? I'm asking for a DOE
friend and not for me(I'm to cheap)
NO BS GUYS JUST THE FACTS.
bilbo
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
Bow wrote:
> Will it make it to FL 220 with 4 people onboard and maintain a breathable cabin?
Bow,
From everything I've been told, virtually no older Commander seems to
meet book specs for presurization. I asked this question of quite a few
people back when I was looking to get an FP and got the same answer from
everyone: it's possible, but takes substantial effort to get everything
sealed "like new".
I know that isn't "facts", just feedback.
Chris
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/21/02 18:36:38 Pacific Standard Time, w.bow(at)att.net
writes:
> Will it make it to FL 220 with
> 4 people onboard and maintain a breathable cabin? I'm asking for a DOE
> friend and not for me(I'm to cheap)
>
> NO BS GUYS JUST THE FACTS.
>
OK, Bilbo. I was going to BS you, but since you put a stop to that ....
I'd never dream of taking an FP or FLP above the teens. First off, the
design "delta P" is not suitable for that high IN MY OPINION. (I just spent
half an hour ripping my house apart looking for a 'cabin altitude at flight
level graph' and couldn't find it.)
This is not fact, but truth: I don't think there is an FP/FLP in operation
that makes max delta P anyway. Too many cabin leaks, too many weak cabin
pressure controllers.
Getting to FL220 may be do-able, but I observe most of the IGSO-540s going
critical in the high teens ... there is probably enough power left to scratch
up to Flight Level. If the blowers are good and you're not in ISA +15, they
should get up there ... but I just haven't seen a set of really strong
blowers in years.
Now. On to fuel flow gauges. Moe and everyone, if you can get by with
cleaning the transducers, great! If that doesn't do it, I'll offer up this
info from past trauma:
The Bendix fuel flow gauge (on the IGSO-540 equipped Commanders) have an
internal inverter. The transducers (both of 'em) must be matched to the fuel
flow gauge. If you're going to send them out, send both WITH the gauge to
have them all matched.
Next, (and this is good!) The bench that is used to calibrate this set-up
uses jet fuel. THERE IS A CONVERSION FACTOR that the overhaul station has to
use to convert from jet-a readings to AvGas readings.
If they forget to use this conversion factor, your gauges will come home all
wrong.
Be sure to remind the shop that they're doing an AvGas calibration!!!
And now you want to know the name of a shop that does this, right? I was
afraid you'd ask ... Downtown Airpark sent mine out to somewhere in Wichita
or Kansas City. I'll try to find out who that was, if you need it.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hello Outerspace |
I'm here too. Just home. Working throug the holidays.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Hello Outerspace
>
> Hello out there: Is there anyone at home? Anybody.
> Thank you JRS
>
>
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| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
All,
It's not just old Aero Commanders that have pressurisation leaks, ALL old
pressurised aircraft have problems.
It will not just one leak, it will be lots of little leaks, like around
every slightly loose rivet, every wiring grommet, etc, etc.
Merry Christmas and wishing you all a Prosperous New Year,
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>
>
>Bow wrote:
> > Will it make it to FL 220 with 4 people onboard and maintain a
> breathable cabin?
>
>Bow,
> From everything I've been told, virtually no older Commander seems to
>meet book specs for presurization. I asked this question of quite a few
>people back when I was looking to get an FP and got the same answer from
>everyone: it's possible, but takes substantial effort to get everything
>sealed "like new".
>
>I know that isn't "facts", just feedback.
>
>Chris
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
Well Hello everyone it got a little quiet out there for a while and thought I was
having trouble with Satilite.
About the 680FP Pressure, I Just had my Aircraft Huff tested at Commander aero,
and the pressure Diff was at the max and the Relief valve operated Normal, Gary
Kromer asked me to test hop before coming home,
I took off from KMGY told ATC what I was doing, I left the cabin Press selector
at field elevation, went to 8,000 ft. and the cabin stayed on the Ground. the
Press Diff.. was 3.0, Normal max is 3.1, Relief valve opens at 3.2PSI,
I had headwinds on the way back so I went at 6000ft
so, 18,000 Ft. should keep a 10,000 Ft cabin alt.
As for the Turbo's are concerned, At 13,000 I still get 40" MP CL. PWR.
JRS
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| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
OK Bow,
Most patients going to a Dr. with VD start their conversation with "this isn't
for me or this is for a friend of mine"
EXACTLY what are you up to with all these queries about side looking weird synthetic
nookie radar and pressurization?
Fess up.
Is it legal?
Milt
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| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
Even though most old pressurized aircraft will not get you where the book says
with full delta p remember it does quiet the cabin and offer some degree of heat.
George Yundt spent a ton of $ and was able to go to 250 with a 10,000ft cabin in
his 685.
I've spent a ton of time filling leaks and the best I get is 220 with a 12,000
foot cabin.
Above that a little nasal canula works great.
for the 685 it is a long drag at gross from 19000 to 250 but it gets there.
The problem with using the floor as a pressure bulkhead is you cannot test it with
soap and water.
I have had some luck using a headless stethescope and listening but ambient noise
and noise ruins that. I'm going to try pressurizing with a leaf blower on a
long hose and the blower on the other side of the hangar door to try and eliminate
the noise problem.
Milt
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| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
Milt and all: Gary Kromer has a Cabin supercharger that is elec. driven
instead of 3000lbs. Hyd. Pressure. He took my outlet hose off and hooked
his direct to the cabin, (found that my hose was split half into) and he
replaced it, that was where my press was going, You have to pull the C/B for
the Squat Sw. and run the cabin Press reg. way down below sealevel, go to
Flt Auto, Press the Pressurize sw. and get out and close the door.
As I said mine went to 3.1 PSI and held, we manually held the Outflow Valve
closed to check that the Relief valve is operating, It did, The system was
up to Specs. even though the Emerg. Escape Hatch had some leakage, The hatch
has Two Seals, one on the Hatch and one on the Airframe, It is labor
intensive to change because they are put on with rivets, I have been told
that is where they all leak somewhat.
Also when My Airplane was Stripped out for the Panel & New interior, I did
the Annual and all the Insp. Plates were removed ,and when replaced they
were sealed with a good Caulk. and a half roll of good Duct tape sealed over
every screw and plate. I have a new Door Seal, But it fits so tight that I
do not inflate it, I heard of one Airplane that they checked leaked worse
while Inflated than when not.
Another place common to leakage is the Rudder Pedal Boots.
I am no expert with the FP but my wallet says I had better learn quick. I
have learned a lot from these discussions, learned a lot from WCG, He has
helped me out from the beginning, Thanks Keith, and Thanks to all, I hope
everyone has a Happy Holliday Season and a Prosperous New Year. CHEERS Jerry
R.
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 680FP
>
> Even though most old pressurized aircraft will not get you where the book
says with full delta p remember it does quiet the cabin and offer some
degree of heat.
>
> George Yundt spent a ton of $ and was able to go to 250 with a 10,000ft
cabin in his 685.
>
> I've spent a ton of time filling leaks and the best I get is 220 with a
12,000 foot cabin.
> Above that a little nasal canula works great.
>
> for the 685 it is a long drag at gross from 19000 to 250 but it gets
there.
> The problem with using the floor as a pressure bulkhead is you cannot test
it with soap and water.
> I have had some luck using a headless stethescope and listening but
ambient noise and noise ruins that. I'm going to try pressurizing with a
leaf blower on a long hose and the blower on the other side of the hangar
door to try and eliminate the noise problem.
> Milt
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/22/02 06:45:45 Pacific Standard Time,
n414c(at)direcway.com writes:
> I'm going to try pressurizing with a leaf blower on a long hose and the
> blower on the other side of the hangar door to try and eliminate the noise
> problem.
>
If you take the leaf blower to the hangar does your wife get a day off from
cleaning the house trailer?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/22/02 07:28:48 Pacific Standard Time,
capnspray(at)direcway.com writes:
> I
> have learned a lot from these discussions, learned a lot from WCG, He has
> helped me out from the beginning,
At your service, Sir!
You certainly did it right with leak checking your 680-FP. Of course, you
had Gary Kromer on the job and that's why you make full pressure.
Thanks for pointing out the trouble spots -- those were some great tips.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
Absolutely not. I make her use a soda straw. Especially now that we have a
double wide.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> If you take the leaf blower to the hangar does your wife get a day off
from
> cleaning the house trailer?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | 'Twas the night before Christmas |
'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
When over the radio there came such a clatter
I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
A voice clearly heard over static and snow
Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
He made his transmissions both lively and quick
I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
Away to the window I went in a flash,
To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
But saw only one at the front - it was red!
He called his position, and I heard him say
"St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
"Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
"When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
I thought for a while about passing this test
Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
"Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
"And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
"Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
Fred G. Carey AScT
Area Air Deputy - CYPK
Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas |
GREAT, Tom
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
> 'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
> Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
> The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
> While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
>
> The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
> In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
> And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
> Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
>
> When over the radio there came such a clatter
> I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
> A voice clearly heard over static and snow
> Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
>
> He made his transmissions both lively and quick
> I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
> Away to the window I went in a flash,
> To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
>
> I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
> But saw only one at the front - it was red!
> He called his position, and I heard him say
> "St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
>
> He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
> as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
> "Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
> These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
>
> The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
> So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
> The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
> "When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
>
> He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
> Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
> He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
> I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
>
> He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
> And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
> His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
> And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
>
> He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
> His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
> He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
> And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
>
> I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
> Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
> With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
> He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
>
> I thought for a while about passing this test
> Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
> It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
> Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
>
> So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
> And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
> When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
> Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
>
> And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
> With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
> He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
> Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
>
> And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
> He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
> "Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
> "And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
>
> I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
> "Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
>
>
> Fred G. Carey AScT
> Area Air Deputy - CYPK
> Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas |
I thought Fred Carey created it, he did not.
The Email was digitally plagiarized in error.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
> GREAT, Tom
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
>
>
> >
> > 'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
> > Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
> > The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
> > While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
> >
> > The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
> > In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
> > And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
> > Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
> >
> > When over the radio there came such a clatter
> > I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
> > A voice clearly heard over static and snow
> > Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
> >
> > He made his transmissions both lively and quick
> > I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
> > Away to the window I went in a flash,
> > To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
> >
> > I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
> > But saw only one at the front - it was red!
> > He called his position, and I heard him say
> > "St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
> >
> > He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
> > as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
> > "Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
> > These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
> >
> > The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
> > So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
> > The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
> > "When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
> >
> > He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
> > Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
> > He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
> > I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
> >
> > He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
> > And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
> > His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
> > And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
> >
> > He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
> > His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
> > He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
> > And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
> >
> > I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
> > Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
> > With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
> > He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
> >
> > I thought for a while about passing this test
> > Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
> > It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
> > Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
> >
> > So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
> > And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
> > When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
> > Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
> >
> > And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
> > With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
> > He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
> > Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
> >
> > And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
> > He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
> > "Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
> > "And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
> >
> > I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
> > "Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
> >
> >
> > Fred G. Carey AScT
> > Area Air Deputy - CYPK
> > Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Twas the night before Christmas |
DON'T MATTER
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
> I thought Fred Carey created it, he did not.
> The Email was digitally plagiarized in error.
> Tom...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
>
>
> >
> > GREAT, Tom
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: 'Twas the night before Christmas
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
> > > Not an airplane was stirring, not Aztec, not Champ.
> > > The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
> > > While north wind was gusting to 49 knots.
> > >
> > > The aircraft were fastened to tie-downs with care
> > > In hopes that come morning, they'd all still be there.
> > > And I at the fuel desk with duties caught up,
> > > Had just settled down for a coffee in cup.
> > >
> > > When over the radio there came such a clatter
> > > I turned down the squelch to hear what was the matter.
> > > A voice clearly heard over static and snow
> > > Asked for clearance to land at our airport below.
> > >
> > > He made his transmissions both lively and quick
> > > I knew in a moment it must be Saint Nick.
> > > Away to the window I went in a flash,
> > > To see if he flew a Dornier or Dash.
> > >
> > > I peered at the sky seeking nav lights on sled
> > > But saw only one at the front - it was red!
> > > He called his position, and I heard him say
> > > "St. Nicholas here, I am inbound on sleigh!"
> > >
> > > He flew the approach, down the glideslope he came,
> > > as he passed all the fixes, he called them by name:
> > > "Now Comet! Now Cupid! Now Donner! Now Blitzin!"
> > > These names were not normal, what plate was he mixin'?
> > >
> > > The names of those fixes were bound to confuse,
> > > So the Tower called me to deliver their views.
> > > The message they gave was both urgent and dour:
> > > "When Santa Claus lands, HE WILL PLEASE CALL THE TOWER!"
> > >
> > > He landed like silk, with the sleigh runners sparking,
> > > Then exited Golf, and he taxied to parking.
> > > He stepped from the sleigh, but before he could talk,
> > > I had run out there to give him my very last chock.
> > >
> > > He was dressed all in fur, which was covered with frost
> > > And his beard was all blackened from chimney exhaust.
> > > His breath smelled like mint that had gone slightly stale
> > > And he smoked on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
> > >
> > > He had a broad face, his armpits were smelly,
> > > His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
> > > He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old fool,
> > > And, smiling, informed me he needed some "fuel".
> > >
> > > I wondered what fuel he could possibly need
> > > Then I noticed the reindeer - he must mean it's "feed"!
> > > With a wink of his eye and a turn on his toes,
> > > He left for the washroom to powder his nose.
> > >
> > > I thought for a while about passing this test
> > > Then remembered a 'plane had arrived from out West.
> > > It was full of supplies for a stable quite near,
> > > Could it also have straw for those nine hungry deer?
> > >
> > > So I went to the aircraft with hopes I'd succeed
> > > And found and brought back what the reindeer did need.
> > > When I got to the sleigh Santa beamed with relief,
> > > Then went to the phone for a flight-service brief.
> > >
> > > And I thought, as he silently wrote in his log,
> > > With Rudolph he could land in a one-eighth-mile fog.
> > > He finished his preflight, from the front to the rear,
> > > Then on with his headset, I heard him yell "Clear!"
> > >
> > > And laying gloved finger upon his push-talk,
> > > He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
> > > "Straight out on three-zero," the tower called forth,
> > > "And watch for a Cessna inbound from the North."
> > >
> > > I heard him exclaim, as he climbed in the night,
> > > "Happy Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred G. Carey AScT
> > > Area Air Deputy - CYPK
> > > Civil Air Search and Rescue Association
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Glenn Sneed" <srglenn1(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation |
Well Group, I was the only member of the discussion group, which was able to
attend Tylor Hall's Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation in Pagosa Springs,
Colorado.
Tylor and his wife were excellent hosts. They had more food 'than you could
shake a stick at' with the pecan pie brought in from Alabama. The majority
of the attendees were from the local aviation community to include a Part
135 Operator from Durango, CO.
Tylor has already mention many of the exciting things planned for Wind
Dancer Aviation. The Kelly Aerospace STC's will be an excellent anchor
product line.
Wind Dancer's facilities are shaping up. I did not have the opportunity to
tour all of the operations. But from what I did see, Tylor has a first
class operation. The hanger is 120'x120'. He has several occupants
already. The staff he inherited with hanger is first rate and friendly.
The ramp is not large but plenty of room for several Commanders with room to
spare. The fuel trucks are in excellent shape. I saw oxygen recharging
rig, so that may be available too.
He is located in Pagosa Springs, a resort town. Very picturerest and quite.
Check it out at: http://www.pagosaspringschamber.com/
A nice place for a 'Get-a-Way' weekend.
Next time you are traversing the 4 Corners area, drop in to 2V1 and have a
cup of coffee.
Bongo52
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation |
If I could I would even though it's exactly 1000nm from CYVR.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Sneed" <srglenn1(at)msn.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation
>
> Well Group, I was the only member of the discussion group, which was able
to
> attend Tylor Hall's Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation in Pagosa Springs,
> Colorado.
>
> Tylor and his wife were excellent hosts. They had more food 'than you
could
> shake a stick at' with the pecan pie brought in from Alabama. The
majority
> of the attendees were from the local aviation community to include a Part
> 135 Operator from Durango, CO.
>
> Tylor has already mention many of the exciting things planned for Wind
> Dancer Aviation. The Kelly Aerospace STC's will be an excellent anchor
> product line.
>
> Wind Dancer's facilities are shaping up. I did not have the opportunity
to
> tour all of the operations. But from what I did see, Tylor has a first
> class operation. The hanger is 120'x120'. He has several occupants
> already. The staff he inherited with hanger is first rate and friendly.
> The ramp is not large but plenty of room for several Commanders with room
to
> spare. The fuel trucks are in excellent shape. I saw oxygen recharging
> rig, so that may be available too.
>
> He is located in Pagosa Springs, a resort town. Very picturerest and
quite.
> Check it out at: http://www.pagosaspringschamber.com/
> A nice place for a 'Get-a-Way' weekend.
>
> Next time you are traversing the 4 Corners area, drop in to 2V1 and have a
> cup of coffee.
>
> Bongo52
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS...
I was just wondering if anybody will be "Commandering" about
the county this Christmas?? We were planing on traveling to N. Idaho in
triple 2, but the firs major, and I mean MAJOR winter storm is predicted to
be upon us, so we will probably drive :-( Oh well, if you have time to
spare, go by air. MERRY CHRISTMAS!! jb
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
I am planning to go to Corpus Christi but am battling a cold. I did want to
tell any new Commander owners if they are going to be going where there will
be thunder storms to be sure to put an external rudder lock on your plane. A
strong storm can knock the internal lock off and then it will break the bell
crank as I learned the hard way. If you are going to where it is snowing and
your plane will be left outside be sure to attach a tail stand ( just a
piece of tubing will do ) to the tail skid. We seldom get snow here in Texas
but as you guessed my plane was sitting out side and the snow buildup
slammed the tail down hard enough to drive the tail skid up inside the tail.
Merry Christmas
Jim Addington
N444BD
----
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| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation |
Bongo52,
Thank you for coming to the open house.
I hope you enjoy the pecan pie.
Kelly Aerospace sent us 10 of them and we have lots left over.
Any one can coffee and pie while it lasts.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Glenn Sneed
Subject: Commander-List: Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation
Well Group, I was the only member of the discussion group, which was able to
attend Tylor Hall's Open House at Wind Dancer Aviation in Pagosa Springs,
Colorado.
Tylor and his wife were excellent hosts. They had more food 'than you could
shake a stick at' with the pecan pie brought in from Alabama. The majority
of the attendees were from the local aviation community to include a Part
135 Operator from Durango, CO.
Tylor has already mention many of the exciting things planned for Wind
Dancer Aviation. The Kelly Aerospace STC's will be an excellent anchor
product line.
Wind Dancer's facilities are shaping up. I did not have the opportunity to
tour all of the operations. But from what I did see, Tylor has a first
class operation. The hanger is 120'x120'. He has several occupants
already. The staff he inherited with hanger is first rate and friendly.
The ramp is not large but plenty of room for several Commanders with room to
spare. The fuel trucks are in excellent shape. I saw oxygen recharging
rig, so that may be available too.
He is located in Pagosa Springs, a resort town. Very picturerest and quite.
Check it out at: http://www.pagosaspringschamber.com/
A nice place for a 'Get-a-Way' weekend.
Next time you are traversing the 4 Corners area, drop in to 2V1 and have a
cup of coffee.
Bongo52
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 7.0 lbs, 19 1/4 inches |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Thank you, Bill.
Merry Christmas!
Barry
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 01:11 PM, Barshalom(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Barry,
>
> May the LORD bless him and keep him. May the LORD make His face shine
> upon
> him and be gracious to him. May the LORD lift up His countenance upon
> him and
> give him peace.
>
> May the LORD bless you and Deborah as you raise him up in the way he
> should
> go.
>
> In the Name of Yeshua (Jesus),
>
> Bill in TN (JIll says AMEN!)
> N69PT
>
>
Barry Hancock
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
radialpower(at)cox.net
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Twin Commander Logo |
Fellow Commander Drivers:
We wish to 'pirate' a clean, clear, copy of the modern Twin Commander Logo.
We are renewing the upholstery on the rear bulkhead of N680RR and thought it
would be cool to embroidery the logo above the rear seat. Pulling it off the
Internet would be the easiest, however, working from paper would work. The
ones in "Flight Levels" are always so small that they are too fuzzy after we
scan them and blow them up.
Thanx for any suggestions.
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
Moe: Contact North Ga. Customs ,Aircraft Interiors, Greg & Debbie Railey
(706)638-4337. They have a Lady that has a computerized Sewing Machine and
does a good Job of it, She did mine on seatbacks and they look great, send
her the Material and tell her what size.Good Luck
JRS
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Twin Commander Logo
>
> Fellow Commander Drivers:
>
> We wish to 'pirate' a clean, clear, copy of the modern Twin Commander
Logo.
> We are renewing the upholstery on the rear bulkhead of N680RR and thought
it
> would be cool to embroidery the logo above the rear seat. Pulling it off
the
> Internet would be the easiest, however, working from paper would work.
The
> ones in "Flight Levels" are always so small that they are too fuzzy after
we
> scan them and blow them up.
>
> Thanx for any suggestions.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
Jerry,
Thanks for the tip, however, we have the technology, we need the logo. We do
quite a few shirts, jackets, and so forth for the company, and use a local
firm, however, I cannot find a crisp, clear logo.
Thanks!
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Twin Commander Logo
>
> Jerry,
>
> Thanks for the tip, however, we have the technology, we need the logo. We
do
> quite a few shirts, jackets, and so forth for the company, and use a local
> firm, however, I cannot find a crisp, clear logo.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe
>
> I'm very sorry that I could not help you out , I do not have what you are
looking for(I wish I did), However the Laddy I reffered to does. end. jrs.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
THANK YOU
MOE
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Bullock <rcbullock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | 2755L has a new owner |
According to the FAA database, 2755L, which was at Assoc Aero at PWA, has a new
owner. This was the one they got like $25K for with new -MV props with like 70
hours on them.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | Twas the night before Christmas |
Don't know if this had been posted before, but it was the first time I had seen
it.
Happy Holidays,
Chris
>>'Twas the night before Christmas, and out on the ramp,
>>Not an airplane was stirring, not even a Champ.
>>The aircraft were fastened to tiedowns with care,
>>In hopes that come morning, they all would be there.
>>
>>The fuel trucks were nestled, all snug in their spots,
>>With gusts from two-forty at 39 knots.
>>I slumped at the fuel desk, now finally caught up,
>>And settled down comfortably, resting my butt.
>>
>>When the radio lit up with noise and with chatter,
>>I turned up the scanner to see what was the matter.
>>A voice clearly heard over static and snow,
>>Called for clearance to land at the airport below.
>>
>>He barked his transmission so lively and quick,
>>I'd have sworn that the call sign he used was "St. Nick".
>>I ran to the panel to turn up the lights,
>>The better to welcome this magical flight.
>>
>>He called his position, no room for denial,
>>"St. Nicholas One, turnin' left onto final."
>>And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
>>But a Rutan-built sleigh, with eight Rotax Reindeer!
>>
>>With vectors to final, down the glideslope he came,
>>As he passed all fixes, he called them by name:
>>"Now Ringo! Now Tolga! Now Trini and Bacun!
>>On Comet! On Cupid!" What pills was he takin'?
>>
>>While controllers were sittin', and scratchin' their head,
>>They phoned to my office, and I heard it with dread,
>>The message they left was both urgent and dour:
>>"When Santa pulls in, have him please call the tower."
>>
>>He landed like silk, with the sled runners sparking,
>>Then I heard "Left at Charlie," and "Taxi to parking."
>>He slowed to a taxi, turned off of three-oh
>>And stopped on the ramp with a "Ho, ho-ho-ho..."
>>
>>He stepped out of the sleigh, but before he could talk,
>>I ran out to meet him with my best set of chocks.
>>His red helmet and goggles were covered with frost
>>And his beard was all blackened from Reindeer exhaust.
>>
>>His breath smelled like peppermint, gone slightly stale,
>>And he puffed on a pipe, but he didn't inhale.
>>His cheeks were all rosy and jiggled like jelly,
>>His boots were as black as a cropduster's belly.
>>
>>He was chubby and plump, in his suit of bright red,
>>And he asked me to "fill it, with hundred low-lead."
>>He came dashing in from the snow-covered pump,
>>I knew he was anxious for drainin' the sump.
>>
>>I spoke not a word, but went straight to my work,
>>And I filled up the sleigh, but I spilled like a jerk.
>>He came out of the restroom, and sighed in relief,
>>Then he picked up a phone for a Flight Service brief.
>>
>>And I thought as he silently scribed in his log,
>>These reindeer could land in an eighth-mile fog.
>>He completed his pre-flight, from the front to the rear,
>>Then he put on his headset, and I heard him yell, "Clear!"
>>
>>And laying a finger on his push-to-talk,
>>He called up the tower for clearance and squawk.
>>"Take taxiway Charlie, the southbound direction,
>>Turn right three-two-zero at pilot's discretion"
>>
>>He sped down the runway, the best of the best,
>>"Your traffic's a Commander, inbound from the west."
>>Then I heard him proclaim, as he climbed thru the night,
>>"Merry Christmas to all! I have traffic in sight."
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
HI MOE.
I called Gladys at TCAC today to see if I could talk her out
of the artwork you need. She needed to ask her boss, Jeff Cousins, who is
out for a few days. When I hear from her, I'll contact you. HAPPY NEW
YEAR!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Twin Commander Logo |
Does anyone know of an MEL for 560A.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
In a message dated 12/27/02 4:43:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> Does anyone know of an MEL for 560A.
>
You mean an instructor?? or just a pilot. I have 800 hr in a 560A jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
Thank you very much.
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
We are looking for a minimum equipment list (MEL) for the Aero Commander
560A.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
In a message dated 12/27/02 4:55:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> We are looking for a minimum equipment list (MEL) for the Aero Commander
> 560A.
OH!! ;-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
In a message dated 12/27/02 4:55:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> We are looking for a minimum equipment list (MEL) for the Aero Commander
> 560A.
I believe, since it is a piston airplane, it would be the one found in the
FARs, part..........?? 91?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
The FAA has allowed me to make my own for both a Cessna 337 and my 680F(p).
I suggest that you try this route. If you want I can send you a copy of both
the IFR and VFR MEL for the 680F(p). The IFR MEL list simply states that all
equipment on the airplane must be operational, while the VFR list gives quite
a bit of latitude.
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
Moe:
I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION
COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, 690D, 695,
695A, 695B
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> Moe:
> I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION
> COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, 690D, 695,
> 695A, 695B
>
That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be operated in the
"real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in 91.213, D,
(1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit, every
stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the coffee
warmer.
A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) - (f) This is
the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is found in
135.159, 161, 163.
Hope this helps. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
Eager to fly, huh, jb?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL)
>
> In a message dated 12/27/02 4:55:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> billw@air-matrix.com writes:
>
> > We are looking for a minimum equipment list (MEL) for the Aero Commander
> > 560A.
>
> OH!! ;-) jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/27/02 8:41:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> Eager to fly, huh, jb?
> Nico
YEP, Been on the ground two weeks!! I did get a short flight after the hose
repair, but not much. Maybe tomorrow?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I took a look and some pix of a nice older Shrike for TCFG
member Jimmy Rodreguis (sp) this week. It is parked across the river and I
think Morris made an offer on it in his behalf?? It is a nice clean example
with a NEW SPAR!! It would be great to have another member become an owner.
Jimmy was at the flyin this year and lives in San Juan, PR. (Maybe I can
ferry it down there, Yippee!!) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
Morning everybody.
A fellow that I've been conversing with for a while just purchased a 520
Commander - looks like a very nice one. Although he has quite a few
multi hours, he's never flown a Commander before. He's looking for
someone to help him get the airplane home. If anyone is interested,
please contact him directly:
chris
.......snip..............
The aircraft is in Ohio about 10 miles from Columbus.
I am based in Georgia (HQU) near Augusta.
Should be about a 2-1/2 to 3 hour trip in the 520.
James Lyle
JLyle(at)hcca.magmutual.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: SHRIKE 582AC |
> I took a look and some pix of a nice older Shrike for TCFG
> member Jimmy Rodreguis (sp) this week. It is parked across the river and
I
> think Morris made an offer on it in his behalf?? It is a nice clean
example
> with a NEW SPAR!! It would be great to have another member become an
owner.
> Jimmy was at the flyin this year and lives in San Juan, PR. (Maybe I can
> ferry it down there, Yippee!!) jb
JB,
You're going to have to eat a lot of crow before you can fly one of the
dreaded direct drive airplanes.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SHRIKE 582AC |
In a message dated 12/28/02 6:23:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, w.bow(at)att.net
writes:
> JB,
> You're going to have to eat a lot of crow before you can fly one of the
> dreaded direct drive airplanes.
>
> bilbo
>
Not if I burning someone elses gas!! ;-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
JB,
It looks like you would be comming almost over Denton on your way to San
Juan. It looks to me like you would need some help from here on. I could be
talked into helping.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SHRIKE 582AC
In a message dated 12/28/02 6:23:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, w.bow(at)att.net
writes:
> JB,
> You're going to have to eat a lot of crow before you can fly one of the
> dreaded direct drive airplanes.
>
> bilbo
>
Not if I burning someone elses gas!! ;-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: SHRIKE 582AC |
In a message dated 12/28/02 9:59:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
> JB,
> It looks like you would be comming almost over Denton on your way to
> San
> Juan. It looks to me like you would need some help from here on. I could be
> talked into helping.
>
>
THANKS!! I WILL keep that in mind, assuming I get to do this. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Sounds good.
Thanks
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SHRIKE 582AC
In a message dated 12/28/02 9:59:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
> JB,
> It looks like you would be comming almost over Denton on your way to
> San
> Juan. It looks to me like you would need some help from here on. I could
be
> talked into helping.
>
>
THANKS!! I WILL keep that in mind, assuming I get to do this. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for our 560A
from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be working, to a
more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an MEL for
operations in their airspace (part 135).
The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the 5xx series
that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does that seem to
be the case?
Thanks again for your input.
KP
Quoting YOURTCFG(at)aol.com:
>
> In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> billw@air-matrix.com writes:
>
> > Moe:
> > I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION
> > COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, 690D,
> 695,
> > 695A, 695B
> >
>
> That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be operated
> in the
> "real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in 91.213,
> D,
> (1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit, every
>
> stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the
> coffee
> warmer.
> A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) - (f)
> This is
> the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is found
> in
> 135.159, 161, 163.
> Hope this helps. jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
Kelly Piper
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223
Tel: 360-435-7343
Mob: 425-231-2311
kellyp@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
In a message dated 12/28/02 9:11:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for our
> 560A
> from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be working, to
> a
> more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an MEL
> for
> operations in their airspace (part 135).
>
> The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the 5xx
> series
> that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does that
> seem to
> be the case?
>
> Thanks again for your input.
>
YEP, I think that is correct. Call John Towner, Cental Air in KC
816-472-7711. He operates a fleet of 35 500 series Commanders on 135
freight, or Duane Hick 519-633-1884, 519-773-8366. Duane operats several 500
series Commanders in Ontario Canada. I think both of these guys have
operated older Commanders at some time?? Good Luck and tell them we talked.
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Bullock <rcbullock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | 'How to Ruin American Enterprise' |
'How to Ruin American Enterprise'
All the 'merkins need to read this. No jingoism here, tho that's the fashion.
http://biz.yahoo.com/fo/021220/how_to_ruin_american_enterprise_3.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
There is a Master MEL for the 560. Its on the FAA web site.
http://www1.faa.gov/fsdo/btr/MMELsa.htm
look under G500
Bruce Campbell
n4186b ac52
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly Piper" <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL)
>
> Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for our
560A
> from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be working, to
a
> more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an MEL
for
> operations in their airspace (part 135).
>
> The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the 5xx
series
> that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does that
seem to
> be the case?
>
> Thanks again for your input.
>
> KP
>
> Quoting YOURTCFG(at)aol.com:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> >
> > > Moe:
> > > I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION
> > > COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C, 690D,
> > 695,
> > > 695A, 695B
> > >
> >
> > That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be operated
> > in the
> > "real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in 91.213,
> > D,
> > (1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit, every
> >
> > stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the
> > coffee
> > warmer.
> > A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) - (f)
> > This is
> > the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is found
> > in
> > 135.159, 161, 163.
> > Hope this helps. jb
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Kelly Piper
> AirMatrix
> 17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D
> Arlington, WA 98223
> Tel: 360-435-7343
> Mob: 425-231-2311
> kellyp@air-matrix.com
> www.air-matrix.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Minimum Equipment List (MEL) |
Thanks. That appears to be exactly what we need. I had looked there before
but the cryptic designation (G500) threw me.
Kelly Piper
N2732B
Quoting Bruce Campbell :
>
>
> There is a Master MEL for the 560. Its on the FAA web site.
>
> http://www1.faa.gov/fsdo/btr/MMELsa.htm
>
> look under G500
>
>
> Bruce Campbell
> n4186b ac52
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelly Piper" <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Minimum Equipment List (MEL)
>
>
> <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
> >
> > Thanks for the info. What we are doing is modifying our part 135 for
> our
> 560A
> > from "no MEL" meaning as you said- every stinkin thing must be
> working, to
> a
> > more manageable subset that won't ground us. Canada also requires an
> MEL
> for
> > operations in their airspace (part 135).
> >
> > The FAA just told us that unless ther is a MMEL (master MEL) for the
> 5xx
> series
> > that it would be pretty much impossible to get one approved. Does
> that
> seem to
> > be the case?
> >
> > Thanks again for your input.
> >
> > KP
> >
> > Quoting YOURTCFG(at)aol.com:
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/27/02 5:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> > >
> > > > Moe:
> > > > I have the FAA approved MEL for GULFSTREAM AEROSPACE CORPORATION
> > > > COMMANDER MODELS 680T, 680V, 680W 681, 690, 690A, 690B 690C,
> 690D,
> > > 695,
> > > > 695A, 695B
> > > >
> > >
> > > That is because turbine airplanes require a MEL or MMEL to be
> operated
> > > in the
> > > "real world" since they are specifically exempted form 91.205 in
> 91.213,
> > > D,
> > > (1) (i), meaning that short of an approved MMEL or ferry permit,
> every
> > >
> > > stinking light bulb must work every time, including the one on the
> > > coffee
> > > warmer.
> > > A piston airplane can revert to 91.205 parigraph (b) -
> (f)
> > > This is
> > > the MEL for a part 91, piston airplane. Part 135 airplanes MEL is
> found
> > > in
> > > 135.159, 161, 163.
> > > Hope this helps. jb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Kelly Piper
> > AirMatrix
> > 17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D
> > Arlington, WA 98223
> > Tel: 360-435-7343
> > Mob: 425-231-2311
> > kellyp@air-matrix.com
> > www.air-matrix.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Kelly Piper
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place NE, Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223
Tel: 360-435-7343
Mob: 425-231-2311
kellyp@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
Hi All,
Hope you all had a great christmas.
I need a pair of diaphragm kits for PS 7 BD carbs, or a good shop. Precsion
Engines seem to be a rip off, Quote one price and then demand almost double
when it comes time to pay. As you can imagine I was slightly pissed off when
they then offered overhauls at about 2/3 the price of the kit.
This is the last step before we can fire up the beast.
Regards,
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Call Bill at Southeast Fuels, In Rockledge FL.
321 632-9685 tell him i sent you
Harry Merritt
----- Original Message -----
From: RnJThompson(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Carb Kits
Hi All,
Hope you all had a great christmas.
I need a pair of diaphragm kits for PS 7 BD carbs, or a good shop. Precsion
Engines seem to be a rip off, Quote one price and then demand almost double
when it comes time to pay. As you can imagine I was slightly pissed off when
they then offered overhauls at about 2/3 the price of the kit.
This is the last step before we can fire up the beast.
Regards,
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Crunkleton <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
RnJThompson(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>Hope you all had a great christmas.
>
>I need a pair of diaphragm kits for PS 7 BD carbs, or a good shop. Precsion
>Engines seem to be a rip off, Quote one price and then demand almost double
>when it comes time to pay. As you can imagine I was slightly pissed off when
>they then offered overhauls at about 2/3 the price of the kit.
>
>This is the last step before we can fire up the beast.
>
>Regards,
>Richard
>
>Richard,
>
You might also try Mike's Fuel Metering Service in Tulsa. He re-did my
PS5's.
Crunk
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Commander Logo |
HI MOE.
I just got off the phone with Pierre at TCAC. He said no
problem with providing some art work for the logo. Call him directly at
3609-435-9797, HNY jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry S. Wokral" <L.Wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Commander-List Digest |
Hello,
I've been away for a couple of months and am just now catching up on the
Commander e-mails. I'm happy to see that you have a digested format. I much
prefer this over the individual real time postings. If it is possible to
drop me from just the individual postings and keep me on the digest list, I
would very much appreciate it.
Thank You,
Larry Wokral
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Commander-List Digest |
In a message dated 12/30/02 10:14:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
L.Wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
> Hello,
>
> I've been away for a couple of months and am just now catching up on the
> Commander e-mails. I'm happy to see that you have a digested format. I much
> prefer this over the individual real time postings. If it is possible to
> drop me from just the individual postings and keep me on the digest list, I
> would very much appreciate it.
>
HI LARRY.
Go to www.matronics.com, then to the
list section at the
bottom. Follow the instructions, it only take a couple of minutes, I cant do
it for you. HNY!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
Well, 2 months(Halloween) after my(the airplane) exhauust pipe broke, The
Commander returned home today. Some things have been learned, some AGAIN.
1. If an exhaust pipe breaks it will be the one that somebody has been
"rigging" on before.
2. If you send that one off to the welder for overhaul he will probably
send your "rigged" pipe back and it will be "boogered" then. (Boogered is
never a possitive term.)
3.Once it has been determined that the "boogered" unit will not fit, you
will realize that you have aleady lost 2 weeks +.
4. If all you have is 4 pieces of a tailpipe that was once one piece, send
the fabricator the corresponding one off of the other engine so he can have
a clue what it is he is supposed to make.
5. AWI is slow, BUT given a reasonable part to duplicate, and some time, you
will have a nice pipe if you choose them.(I never pushed them on time)
Had I started at 4, I might have been able to fly ny Commander for
Thanksgiving and save a month of down time.
If you are ever in Tallahassee, FL, and need work, Flightline is very
reasonable.
Now I just ned to get my King 155 fixed.
Always something,
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
Bill, I might suggest a 337 based upon the following
application.
Do you remember the old 3 and 4 hole Buick's?
Next time you can just turn the pipes straight out the
cowl with 4 holes (chrome excuscions) and boy would
that look good. Also I'm working on bouncing struts
controlled from inside the cabin. Just imagine hitting
the switch and watching her bounce when I come rolling
up in Dayton this next summer.
Anyways, I'm glad you got the old girl flying. Mine
is at CommanderAero for annual. Just got the fix it
list back and all in all not to bad. Should be under
10k. (Better be under 10k) Talk to you soon.
--- Bow wrote:
>
>
> Well, 2 months(Halloween) after my(the airplane)
> exhauust pipe broke, The
> Commander returned home today. Some things have
> been learned, some AGAIN.
>
> 1. If an exhaust pipe breaks it will be the one that
> somebody has been
> "rigging" on before.
> 2. If you send that one off to the welder for
> overhaul he will probably
> send your "rigged" pipe back and it will be
> "boogered" then. (Boogered is
> never a possitive term.)
> 3.Once it has been determined that the "boogered"
> unit will not fit, you
> will realize that you have aleady lost 2 weeks +.
> 4. If all you have is 4 pieces of a tailpipe that
> was once one piece, send
> the fabricator the corresponding one off of the
> other engine so he can have
> a clue what it is he is supposed to make.
> 5. AWI is slow, BUT given a reasonable part to
> duplicate, and some time, you
> will have a nice pipe if you choose them.(I never
> pushed them on time)
>
> Had I started at 4, I might have been able to fly ny
> Commander for
> Thanksgiving and save a month of down time.
>
> If you are ever in Tallahassee, FL, and need work,
> Flightline is very
> reasonable.
>
> Now I just ned to get my King 155 fixed.
>
> Always something,
> bilbo
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
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Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
> Do you remember the old 3 and 4 hole Buick's?
Yes I do remember them. The test questions of the day are. What are those
"holes" called? What were they originally designed to do? Stay tuned
tomorrow for the answer.:>)
> Next time you can just turn the pipes straight out the
> cowl with 4 holes (chrome excuscions) and boy would
> that look good.
Buddy that is an excellent idea, but it would be loud like yours then. I
wouldn't be able to sneek around then.
Bilbo(good for endless hours of esoteric B%
&S
*&)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
Bow wrote:
>>Do you remember the old 3 and 4 hole Buick's?
> The test questions of the day are. What are those
> "holes" called? What were they originally designed to do? Stay tuned
> tomorrow for the answer.:>)
>
Introduced in 1949. They were called "venti-ports" but generally
refered to as "mouseholes".
3 holes on Supers and 4 on Roadmasters if memory serves, but I seem to
recall seeing a Super Sedanette with 4...
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
> Always something,
> bilbo
Yes, sir. Glad you have your bird back, though. I'm about to take 680E
up to Morris' new home in Stockton and get some work done... Won't see
her for awhile, but then again, with 17 day old Caden I don't suppose
the family will be flying much for a little while.
Starting test flights on NX218CJ in a couple weeks, so I'll have my
hands full. Anyone wanna come fly chase?
Barry
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | HAPPY NEW YEAR!! |
MAY THE BEST DAY OF 2002 BE THE WORST DAY OF 2003. GOD BLESS AMERICA!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Randy Dettmer <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Thanks to all of you guys (and gals...) for a year of tremendous
conversation, jokes, wisdom, advice, thoughtful discussion, and
commardiarie. Wishing you all the very best for 2003, with peace and
understanding in our world...keep the blue up, the brown down, and safe
flying to you all.
Happy New Year
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
New Year's Wishes
May you get a clean bill of health from your dentist, your cardiologist,
your
gastro-enterologist, your urologist, your proctologist, your podiatrist,
your
psychiatrist, your plumber and the I.R.S.
May your hair, your teeth, your face-lift, your abs and your stocks not
fall;
and may your blood pressure, your triglycerides, your cholesterol, your
white
blood count and your mortgage interest not rise.
May New Year's Eve find you seated around the table, together with your
beloved family and cherished friends. May you find the food better, the
environment quieter, the cost much cheaper, and the pleasure much more
fulfilling than anything else you might ordinarily do that night.
May what you see in the mirror delight you, and what others see in you
delight them. May someone love you enough to forgive your faults, be blind
to
your blemishes, and tell the world about your virtues.
May the telemarketers wait to make their sales calls until you finish
dinner,
may the commercials on TV not be louder than the program you have been
watching, and may your check book and your budget balance - and include
generous amounts for charity.
May you remember to say "I love you" at least once a day to your spouse,
your
child, your parent, your siblings; but not to your secretary, your nurse,
your masseuse, your hairdresser or your tennis instructor.
And may we live in a world at peace and with the awareness of God's love in
every sunset, every flower's unfolding petals, every baby's smile, every
lover's kiss, and every wonderful, astonishing, miraculous beat of our
heart.
Author Unknown
Jim Addington
N444BD
----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy New Year |
From my entire clan here on the left coast, a warm and very prosperous 2003
(my, how time flies). For those who believe in God, read Psalm 121.
Nico
Hey Randy. I read about you in a magazine somewhere. I cannot remember
exactly, but I will dig it up.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Happy New Year
>
> Thanks to all of you guys (and gals...) for a year of tremendous
> conversation, jokes, wisdom, advice, thoughtful discussion, and
> commardiarie. Wishing you all the very best for 2003, with peace and
> understanding in our world...keep the blue up, the brown down, and safe
> flying to you all.
>
> Happy New Year
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
They are CRUISALATOR VENTIPORTS. They were designed to do nothing but they
really look studly
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last!
>
> > Do you remember the old 3 and 4 hole Buick's?
>
> Yes I do remember them. The test questions of the day are. What are
those
> "holes" called? What were they originally designed to do? Stay tuned
> tomorrow for the answer.:>)
>
> > Next time you can just turn the pipes straight out the
> > cowl with 4 holes (chrome excuscions) and boy would
> > that look good.
>
> Buddy that is an excellent idea, but it would be loud like yours then. I
> wouldn't be able to sneek around then.
>
> Bilbo(good for endless hours of esoteric B%
> &S
> *&)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR!! |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
The very best of New Year Wishes from here in OZ!!
Cheers to all
Russell
On 1/1/03 11:56 AM, "YOURTCFG(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> MAY THE BEST DAY OF 2002 BE THE WORST DAY OF 2003. GOD BLESS AMERICA!! jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
Little Crunk and I planned on leaving to pickup Jim Lyle in Atlanta yesterday
AM and give home a ride to Delaware Ohio to pickup his newly purchased 520 so
little Crunk could give him a checkout and fly it back to Augusta Ga.
The day started badly. At 3AM a line of thunderstorms crossed the house, beat us
up pretty badly and took out the power. Not to be stopped we did our flight
planning at 5AM by the light of an oil lamp.
The line of storms was solid between Miss. and Georgia so Jim hopped a commercial
flight to Cincinnati. Crunk and I headed out in 414C to meet him.
IMC at 300' and stayed that way at 17,000' all the way to CVG, 3 hours in the mush,
ILS 36L into CVG 1mile an 600'
Picked Jim up and on to Delaware Ohio in similar conditions with a GPS 28 approach
to a slick runway where little Crunk greased it on. (actually saw snow for
the first time in several years. Sure is cold up north.
Jims 520 is pristine. The prior owner appears to have down all the things that
make the first year of ownership a pain. Jim plans on coming to Dayton next year.
(Jimbob get a plaque ready).
Jim and Don then headed to Charleston WV and then Atlanta in less than nice weather
and made it in safely.
Gail and I headed back to Miss. once again solid IMC dodging embedded thunderstorms
and fighting the headwind from hell. 4hrs 30min later an ILS to minimums
into MCB
and tied her down in a squall.
8hrs on the gauges without an autopilot. Ain't aerocommanders great.
Little Crunk is now on his way to Danbury Connecticut to pickup and deliver another
aircraft to its new owner somewhere out west. Hope its heater works as he
figures 8-10 hrs flight time.
Milt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
> Introduced in 1949. They were called "venti-ports" but generally
> refered to as "mouseholes".
> 3 holes on Supers and 4 on Roadmasters if memory serves, but I seem to
> recall seeing a Super Sedanette with 4...
>
> Chris
I should have known YOU would get it. You didn't answer the second question
though.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy New Year |
> Hey Randy. I read about you in a magazine somewhere. I cannot remember
> exactly, but I will dig it up.
> Nico
Is Randy famous?
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | Aircraft painting |
Here's a note off another chat line...worth thinking about..it seems to me./ Steve
C.
=====================
I haven't started painting my plane yet, but I thought I'd pass this info
along. You can save big bucks by buying industrial Imron on-line
instead of automotive Imron from your local paint dealer. I got a
quote of $50/gallon from Keytone Industrial Paints
(http://www.ketoneindustrial.com/) The only difference between the
industrial paint and the auto paint is the color chart. No pearls or
metal flakes and you'll have to make do with "White" instead of "Polar
Bear" or some such.
Keytone told me that the only reason auto paints are so expensive is
the "research" that goes into all those weird colors.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
> They are CRUISALATOR VENTIPORTS. They were designed to do nothing but they
> really look studly
> Milt
Wooo, Chris,
Has Milt found their "Full Name"? He did get their purpose in life correct.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
Attention all Southern Commander People, it's time to eat for good luck!!
Black-eyed peas, Cornbread and a piece of pork. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Thanks for the reminder. My wife said that yesterday but with my long term
memory I had forgotten.
-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
A proud southern tradition. My family does it every
year here in Western Michigan. We tried to bring the
tradition to our Yankee friends but they thing we're
crazy. But what do you think about people calling a
hamburger a hamburg and people who put butter on every
sandwich and call cucumbers cukes!No wonder they lost
the civil war. A proud Texan.
--- Bow wrote:
>
>
> Attention all Southern Commander People, it's time
> to eat for good luck!!
>
> Black-eyed peas, Cornbread and a piece of pork.
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> bilbo
>
>
>
> Click on the
> this
> generous
> _->
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
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>
>
>
>
=====
Buddy Windham
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
In a message dated 01/01/03 05:59:35 Pacific Standard Time,
n414c(at)direcway.com writes:
> 4hrs 30min later an ILS to minimums into MCB
>
Don't you just hate having to do an ILS to minimums after 4+30 with a 4:00
bladder?
That was a nice bunch of flying, Dr. Milt, and quite kind of ya'll to help
out a new Commander owner.
Thanks, on behalf of all of us.
Flight planning via oil lamp? Hmmm. I take it they had the smudge pots
light to substitute for approach lights when you got home.
Happy New Year everyone!
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
GREAT STORY MILT, Thanks for sharing . I cant think of a better airplane or
pilot to have don it with. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
I like to have never gotten a milk shake when I got to New Hampsher when I
was in the Air Force. It took me for ever to teach them to drink ice tea in
the winter.
Jim
N444BD
Denton, Texas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Buddy
Windham
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lunch
A proud southern tradition. My family does it every
year here in Western Michigan. We tried to bring the
tradition to our Yankee friends but they thing we're
crazy. But what do you think about people calling a
hamburger a hamburg and people who put butter on every
sandwich and call cucumbers cukes!No wonder they lost
the civil war. A proud Texan.
--- Bow wrote:
>
>
> Attention all Southern Commander People, it's time
> to eat for good luck!!
>
> Black-eyed peas, Cornbread and a piece of pork.
> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> bilbo
>
>
> Click on the
> this
> generous
> _->
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
>
Digests:http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
=====
Buddy Windham
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Forgot the fried oakra! Truly the best of the best.
Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Lunch
>
> Attention all Southern Commander People, it's time to eat for good luck!!
>
> Black-eyed peas, Cornbread and a piece of pork. HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>
> bilbo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
>>No wonder they lost the civil war.
>>A proud Texan.
Buddy,
I assume you ae speaking of the War of Northern Agression??
bilbo
(Great, great, grandson of General Johnston (Texas))
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
>
> Forgot the fried oakra! Truly the best of the best.
>
>
> Cy Galley - Webmaster www.qcbc.org
And "Fried Green Tomaters"
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
Bow wrote:
>>"venti-ports"
> I should have known YOU would get it. You didn't answer the second question
> though.
I don't think they really do anything, but given the logic of the day,
I'd guess they were either supposed to enhance cooling or decrease
aerodynamic drag... What's the actual scoop? Frankly, I've always been
most impressed by the hood mechanism allowing it to open in either
direction :-)
Chris
PS: I have a '47 Roadmaster "project" over in my fathers hangar.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | aircraft painting |
I think I'll recind my suggestion......Steve C.
================
I've got some bad news for you, Imron Industrial coatings are not the same
product as the Auto Refinish Imron Paints. I've used both of them numerous
times. The Industrial Coatings are designed to be applied in thicker films
with durability as the prime consideration. A lot of offshore oil platform
equipment is painted with it. It uses different activators at different
ratios and doesn't have near the gloss of automotive Imron. I've used it to
paint trailers with good results but wouldn't even consider its use on my
plane.
Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, Leeward Air Ranch, Ocala, FL.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hey Milt,
Thanks for sharing your latest adventures with 'lil Crunk in white-out!!
Great to hear another 520 has joined the ranks...Well done!
Cheers and ciders
Russell
On 2/1/03 12:57 AM, "n414c" wrote:
>
> Little Crunk and I planned on leaving to pickup Jim Lyle in Atlanta yesterday
> AM and give home a ride to Delaware Ohio to pickup his newly purchased 520 so
> little Crunk could give him a checkout and fly it back to Augusta Ga.
>
>
> The day started badly. At 3AM a line of thunderstorms crossed the house, beat
> us up pretty badly and took out the power. Not to be stopped we did our flight
> planning at 5AM by the light of an oil lamp.
>
> The line of storms was solid between Miss. and Georgia so Jim hopped a
> commercial flight to Cincinnati. Crunk and I headed out in 414C to meet him.
>
> IMC at 300' and stayed that way at 17,000' all the way to CVG, 3 hours in the
> mush, ILS 36L into CVG 1mile an 600'
>
> Picked Jim up and on to Delaware Ohio in similar conditions with a GPS 28
> approach to a slick runway where little Crunk greased it on. (actually saw
> snow for the first time in several years. Sure is cold up north.
>
> Jims 520 is pristine. The prior owner appears to have down all the things that
> make the first year of ownership a pain. Jim plans on coming to Dayton next
> year. (Jimbob get a plaque ready).
>
> Jim and Don then headed to Charleston WV and then Atlanta in less than nice
> weather and made it in safely.
>
> Gail and I headed back to Miss. once again solid IMC dodging embedded
> thunderstorms and fighting the headwind from hell. 4hrs 30min later an ILS to
> minimums into MCB
> and tied her down in a squall.
>
> 8hrs on the gauges without an autopilot. Ain't aerocommanders great.
>
> Little Crunk is now on his way to Danbury Connecticut to pickup and deliver
> another aircraft to its new owner somewhere out west. Hope its heater works as
> he figures 8-10 hrs flight time.
> Milt
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Now Milt,
....Double wide??? Please explain to this Ozzie!?
Cheers and ciders
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi all...
...fried oakra?? What am I missing out on??
I'm munching on a marinated kangaroo fillet right now!
Cheers
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <sales(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
You guys have all the fun out there. You should save some for us mahogany
bomber pilots also.
Nice going for the new year.
Nico
PS. Russell, you guys eat those cute jumpin' thingies? Do they also taste
like chicken?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great flight(s)
>
> Hey Milt,
>
> Thanks for sharing your latest adventures with 'lil Crunk in white-out!!
>
> Great to hear another 520 has joined the ranks...Well done!
>
> Cheers and ciders
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 2/1/03 12:57 AM, "n414c" wrote:
>
> >
> > Little Crunk and I planned on leaving to pickup Jim Lyle in Atlanta
yesterday
> > AM and give home a ride to Delaware Ohio to pickup his newly purchased
520 so
> > little Crunk could give him a checkout and fly it back to Augusta Ga.
> >
> >
> > The day started badly. At 3AM a line of thunderstorms crossed the house,
beat
> > us up pretty badly and took out the power. Not to be stopped we did our
flight
> > planning at 5AM by the light of an oil lamp.
> >
> > The line of storms was solid between Miss. and Georgia so Jim hopped a
> > commercial flight to Cincinnati. Crunk and I headed out in 414C to meet
him.
> >
> > IMC at 300' and stayed that way at 17,000' all the way to CVG, 3 hours
in the
> > mush, ILS 36L into CVG 1mile an 600'
> >
> > Picked Jim up and on to Delaware Ohio in similar conditions with a GPS
28
> > approach to a slick runway where little Crunk greased it on. (actually
saw
> > snow for the first time in several years. Sure is cold up north.
> >
> > Jims 520 is pristine. The prior owner appears to have down all the
things that
> > make the first year of ownership a pain. Jim plans on coming to Dayton
next
> > year. (Jimbob get a plaque ready).
> >
> > Jim and Don then headed to Charleston WV and then Atlanta in less than
nice
> > weather and made it in safely.
> >
> > Gail and I headed back to Miss. once again solid IMC dodging embedded
> > thunderstorms and fighting the headwind from hell. 4hrs 30min later an
ILS to
> > minimums into MCB
> > and tied her down in a squall.
> >
> > 8hrs on the gauges without an autopilot. Ain't aerocommanders great.
> >
> > Little Crunk is now on his way to Danbury Connecticut to pickup and
deliver
> > another aircraft to its new owner somewhere out west. Hope its heater
works as
> > he figures 8-10 hrs flight time.
> > Milt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Lyle" <JLyle(at)magmutual.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
It was a great day to buy a Commander!
From one of the newest Commander owners , I can't thank all of the TCFG members
enough who have provided advice on flying as well as helped me get my Commander
home, especially Dr. Milt, Don and Cris they have been great.
I have requested an application for membership in the TCFG and fully expect to
join ASAP.
The 520 flies great and I am even beginning to get used to the steering.
Keep the tips coming for the newest "Commander Rookie"
At this point I'll probably believe anything you tell me.
Hope to see all of you in Dayton.
James
N11L
Thanks to all.
Especially Dr. Mi
>>> CloudCraft(at)aol.com 01/01 1:20 PM >>>
In a message dated 01/01/03 05:59:35 Pacific Standard Time,
n414c(at)direcway.com writes:
> 4hrs 30min later an ILS to minimums into MCB
>
Don't you just hate having to do an ILS to minimums after 4+30 with a 4:00
bladder?
That was a nice bunch of flying, Dr. Milt, and quite kind of ya'll to help
out a new Commander owner.
Thanks, on behalf of all of us.
Flight planning via oil lamp? Hmmm. I take it they had the smudge pots
light to substitute for approach lights when you got home.
Happy New Year everyone!
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
There is a 680F Maintenance manual and a 685 Flight manual on
ebay..jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Nico,
Well...those cute jumpin' things are perpetually in plague proportion in Oz
and are also farmed via government licence for the table.
They kind of taste somewhere between rabbit and lamb, definitely not a
chicken flavour!
Regards from Oz
Russell
On 2/1/03 1:32 PM, "Nico van Niekerk" wrote:
>
>
> You guys have all the fun out there. You should save some for us mahogany
> bomber pilots also.
> Nice going for the new year.
> Nico
>
> PS. Russell, you guys eat those cute jumpin' thingies? Do they also taste
> like chicken?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great flight(s)
>
>
>
>>
>> Hey Milt,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your latest adventures with 'lil Crunk in white-out!!
>>
>> Great to hear another 520 has joined the ranks...Well done!
>>
>> Cheers and ciders
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>> On 2/1/03 12:57 AM, "n414c" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Little Crunk and I planned on leaving to pickup Jim Lyle in Atlanta
> yesterday
>>> AM and give home a ride to Delaware Ohio to pickup his newly purchased
> 520 so
>>> little Crunk could give him a checkout and fly it back to Augusta Ga.
>>>
>>>
>>> The day started badly. At 3AM a line of thunderstorms crossed the house,
> beat
>>> us up pretty badly and took out the power. Not to be stopped we did our
> flight
>>> planning at 5AM by the light of an oil lamp.
>>>
>>> The line of storms was solid between Miss. and Georgia so Jim hopped a
>>> commercial flight to Cincinnati. Crunk and I headed out in 414C to meet
> him.
>>>
>>> IMC at 300' and stayed that way at 17,000' all the way to CVG, 3 hours
> in the
>>> mush, ILS 36L into CVG 1mile an 600'
>>>
>>> Picked Jim up and on to Delaware Ohio in similar conditions with a GPS
> 28
>>> approach to a slick runway where little Crunk greased it on. (actually
> saw
>>> snow for the first time in several years. Sure is cold up north.
>>>
>>> Jims 520 is pristine. The prior owner appears to have down all the
> things that
>>> make the first year of ownership a pain. Jim plans on coming to Dayton
> next
>>> year. (Jimbob get a plaque ready).
>>>
>>> Jim and Don then headed to Charleston WV and then Atlanta in less than
> nice
>>> weather and made it in safely.
>>>
>>> Gail and I headed back to Miss. once again solid IMC dodging embedded
>>> thunderstorms and fighting the headwind from hell. 4hrs 30min later an
> ILS to
>>> minimums into MCB
>>> and tied her down in a squall.
>>>
>>> 8hrs on the gauges without an autopilot. Ain't aerocommanders great.
>>>
>>> Little Crunk is now on his way to Danbury Connecticut to pickup and
> deliver
>>> another aircraft to its new owner somewhere out west. Hope its heater
> works as
>>> he figures 8-10 hrs flight time.
>>> Milt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
LOOKS
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last!
>
>
> Bow wrote:
> >>"venti-ports"
> > I should have known YOU would get it. You didn't answer the second
question
> > though.
>
> I don't think they really do anything, but given the logic of the day,
> I'd guess they were either supposed to enhance cooling or decrease
> aerodynamic drag... What's the actual scoop? Frankly, I've always been
> most impressed by the hood mechanism allowing it to open in either
> direction :-)
>
> Chris
>
> PS: I have a '47 Roadmaster "project" over in my fathers hangar.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
WELCOME
bilbo
1962 500A
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Lyle" <JLyle(at)magmutual.com>
Subject: chat/ Re: Commander-List: Great flight(s)
>
> It was a great day to buy a Commander!
> From one of the newest Commander owners , I can't thank all of the TCFG
members enough who have provided advice on flying as well as helped me get
my Commander home, especially Dr. Milt, Don and Cris they have been great.
> I have requested an application for membership in the TCFG and fully
expect to join ASAP.
> The 520 flies great and I am even beginning to get used to the steering.
> Keep the tips coming for the newest "Commander Rookie"
> At this point I'll probably believe anything you tell me.
> Hope to see all of you in Dayton.
> James
> N11L
> Thanks to all.
> Especially Dr. Mi
>
> >>> CloudCraft(at)aol.com 01/01 1:20 PM >>>
>
> In a message dated 01/01/03 05:59:35 Pacific Standard Time,
> n414c(at)direcway.com writes:
>
>
> > 4hrs 30min later an ILS to minimums into MCB
> >
>
> Don't you just hate having to do an ILS to minimums after 4+30 with a 4:00
> bladder?
>
> That was a nice bunch of flying, Dr. Milt, and quite kind of ya'll to help
> out a new Commander owner.
>
> Thanks, on behalf of all of us.
>
> Flight planning via oil lamp? Hmmm. I take it they had the smudge pots
> light to substitute for approach lights when you got home.
>
> Happy New Year everyone!
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
James Lyle wrote:
> It was a great day to buy a Commander!
Congrats and welcome aboard James!
Looking forward to meeting and seeing your new bird.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Great Christmas Present |
| From: | tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com |
01/02/2003 01:27:41 PM
Barry - Our house is in the downwind/base leg for Bowman Field. Right
before CHristmas, I coincidentally caught sight of a Commander in the
pattern. Since we are "Commander-starved" here in Louisville, KY, my son
and I immediatley headed to teh airport. We got there too late to talk to
the pilot but there she was .....N423M ....... a beautiful 560F with teh
Jimmy Daurante nose. She stayed a couple of days and we went to see her
once more before she left. Any idea who she belongs to????
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Great Christmas Present |
tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com wrote:
> N423M ....... a beautiful 560F with teh
> Jimmy Daurante nose. She stayed a couple of days and we went to see her
> once more before she left. Any idea who she belongs to????
That's Jim Crunkleton's 560F. sweet bird!
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
N423M 1964 AERO COMMANDER 560-F, CRUNKLETON JAMES A, SENOIA GA
Compliments Stephen C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Great Christmas Present |
pardon me, I should have said Crunk AND Joe Shepherd's 560F.
Details and pics here:
http://www.aerocommander.com/COTM/Old/102001/
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
N423M 1964 AERO COMMANDER 560-F, CRUNKLETON JAMES A, SENOIA GA
http://www.aerocommander.com/COTM/Old/102001/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com |
01/02/2003 02:03:09 PM
MY once in-a-lifetime chance to meet "oil-slick"!!! Wow, I can't believe I
missed it. SHucks, I always wanted to tell him that he was not the first to
leave an oil cap off. My Dad did the same thing many years ago in a 520 -
had to make a single engine landing in Lexington, KY!!!! (Dad said it was
no big deal cause - heck - it was a Commander!!!!)
If only I'd known .........................
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 01/01/03 |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Imron is not the paint of choice anymore. One of the problems is it is
too brittle and cracks over time. Ask me, I just repainted a plane that
had Imron on it...
> . You can save big bucks by buying industrial Imron on-line
> instead of automotive Imron from your local paint dealer.
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Tom,
You are confused. The 560F belongs to Crunk Snr and Joe S...
"Oil Slick" is lil Crunk, and a great guy!
Cheers
Russell
On 3/1/03 6:02 AM, "tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com"
wrote:
>
> MY once in-a-lifetime chance to meet "oil-slick"!!! Wow, I can't believe I
> missed it. SHucks, I always wanted to tell him that he was not the first to
> leave an oil cap off. My Dad did the same thing many years ago in a 520 -
> had to make a single engine landing in Lexington, KY!!!! (Dad said it was
> no big deal cause - heck - it was a Commander!!!!)
>
> If only I'd known .........................
>
>
> This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential
> and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
> distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any
> reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in
> error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its
> entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Great flight(s) |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Welcome aboard James!
Glad to read that you have started with the original model...what better way
of getting to know Commanders!
Good luck
Cheers
Russell
On 2/1/03 1:50 PM, "James Lyle" wrote:
>
> It was a great day to buy a Commander!
> From one of the newest Commander owners , I can't thank all of the TCFG
> members enough who have provided advice on flying as well as helped me get my
> Commander home, especially Dr. Milt, Don and Cris they have been great.
> I have requested an application for membership in the TCFG and fully expect to
> join ASAP.
> The 520 flies great and I am even beginning to get used to the steering.
> Keep the tips coming for the newest "Commander Rookie"
> At this point I'll probably believe anything you tell me.
> Hope to see all of you in Dayton.
> James
> N11L
> Thanks to all.
> Especially Dr. Mi
>
>>>> CloudCraft(at)aol.com 01/01 1:20 PM >>>
>
> In a message dated 01/01/03 05:59:35 Pacific Standard Time,
> n414c(at)direcway.com writes:
>
>
>> 4hrs 30min later an ILS to minimums into MCB
>>
>
> Don't you just hate having to do an ILS to minimums after 4+30 with a 4:00
> bladder?
>
> That was a nice bunch of flying, Dr. Milt, and quite kind of ya'll to help
> out a new Commander owner.
>
> Thanks, on behalf of all of us.
>
> Flight planning via oil lamp? Hmmm. I take it they had the smudge pots
> light to substitute for approach lights when you got home.
>
> Happy New Year everyone!
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
My experience suggests that Sherwin-Williams (no, really) makes one of the best
and most price-effective polyurethane aircraft paints.
I don't have the exact part no, but their web site would be a good guide. I had
a grumman painted with it some years back and later a bonanza. The results were
excellent.
bruce campbell
ac52 n4186b
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain? Mine leaks from
the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to moderate rain, but
in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water, which eventually drains, but
causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn causes consternation among the
passengers.
One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or chery-picker) and seal
each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab with ployuterethane
caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the rudder. Presumably sealing
the corrugated on the rudder would result in a change in the balance of the
control.
Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
In a message dated 1/2/03 3:09:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
baruch(at)intelligentflight.com writes:
> Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
>
My 680E leaks like a WW11 German U-Boat. It is not so much from the
corrugated material as from the Wing to Fuselage seals, but where ever it
comes from, it is a mess!! I visit my airplane daily and pull the tail down
(allowing water to run aft) then release. This allows water to migrate
forward and drain. I also drain every sump every day (this probably cost as
much as a hangar)
I have sealed everything imaginable and while there has been an
improvement, it is still a mess. I am making a proposal to the port
authority in the next couple of weeks to build a hangar here. Good Luck
Bruce. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain? Mine
leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to
moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water, which
eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn causes
consternation among the passengers.
>
> One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or chery-picker)
and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab with
ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the rudder.
Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a change in
the balance of the control.
>
> Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
>
>
> Bruce Campbell
> AC52 N4186B
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Crunkleton <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Great Christmas Present |
tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com wrote:
>
>
>Barry - Our house is in the downwind/base leg for Bowman Field. Right
>before CHristmas, I coincidentally caught sight of a Commander in the
>pattern. Since we are "Commander-starved" here in Louisville, KY, my son
>and I immediatley headed to teh airport. We got there too late to talk to
>the pilot but there she was .....N423M ....... a beautiful 560F with teh
>Jimmy Daurante nose. She stayed a couple of days and we went to see her
>once more before she left. Any idea who she belongs to????
>
>
>This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or
exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient,
you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution,
or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is
STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately
contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in
electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.
>
>
Tom,
N423M belongs to Joe Shepherd and Jim Crunkleton. Joe and I are from
Louisville and Joe went to see his parents for Christmas.
Jim Crunkleton
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from the
windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet as ever
after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and everything
get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in my car
to soak up the water before each flight.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
>
> >
> > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain? Mine
> leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to
> moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water, which
> eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn
causes
> consternation among the passengers.
> >
> > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
chery-picker)
> and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab with
> ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the rudder.
> Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a change
in
> the balance of the control.
> >
> > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> >
> >
> > Bruce Campbell
> > AC52 N4186B
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
I had a terrible leak in my 500B, every time I banked the plane it either
rained on me or the co-pilot from the overhead console.
Being the anal retentive person that I am I hunted down the leak and found
it to be a seal between the wing root and the fuselage.
Best of luck finding the leak, it's a good thing that you are not exposed to
freezing temperatures.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> In a message dated 1/2/03 3:09:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> baruch(at)intelligentflight.com writes:
>
> > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> >
>
> My 680E leaks like a WW11 German U-Boat. It is not so much from the
> corrugated material as from the Wing to Fuselage seals, but where ever it
> comes from, it is a mess!! I visit my airplane daily and pull the tail
down
> (allowing water to run aft) then release. This allows water to migrate
> forward and drain. I also drain every sump every day (this probably cost
as
> much as a hangar)
> I have sealed everything imaginable and while there has been an
> improvement, it is still a mess. I am making a proposal to the port
> authority in the next couple of weeks to build a hangar here. Good Luck
> Bruce. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
I hunted down the leak and found
> it to be a seal between the wing root and the fuselage.
This was from back in the 80's - from a previous owner of N198JW, "If you
have the plane painted, be careful to have the joints sealed. I have put
silicone on the joints and it has been watertight, but if this is removed,
then it will leak quite a bit and it can do a lot of damage to the interior
in a hurry. This is especially true around the wing roots." Digging back
into the commander service bulletins, I found that they had one about
sealing up the wing roots and it cost a lot of owners a lot of money
complying. When one really gets right down to it, it's common sense. Much
like Dr. Milt said: " Keep it in a hanger or cover it up." Unless, you are
in the air and pressurized, you don't have to worry about you or the
co-pilot getting rained on - 'cause the pressurization will push it back out
the hole it came in from.:-)
JRS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from the
> windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet as
ever
> after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and
everything
> get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in my
car
> to soak up the water before each flight.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
> >
> > Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain? Mine
> > leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to
> > moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water, which
> > eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn
> causes
> > consternation among the passengers.
> > >
> > > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
> chery-picker)
> > and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab with
> > ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the
rudder.
> > Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a change
> in
> > the balance of the control.
> > >
> > > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce Campbell
> > > AC52 N4186B
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
I have managed to seal the cabin, no small task. Now only leakage is in the
tail, which is conducted down the stringers into the baggage.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> I hunted down the leak and found
> > it to be a seal between the wing root and the fuselage.
>
> This was from back in the 80's - from a previous owner of N198JW, "If you
> have the plane painted, be careful to have the joints sealed. I have put
> silicone on the joints and it has been watertight, but if this is removed,
> then it will leak quite a bit and it can do a lot of damage to the
interior
> in a hurry. This is especially true around the wing roots." Digging back
> into the commander service bulletins, I found that they had one about
> sealing up the wing roots and it cost a lot of owners a lot of money
> complying. When one really gets right down to it, it's common sense.
Much
> like Dr. Milt said: " Keep it in a hanger or cover it up." Unless, you
are
> in the air and pressurized, you don't have to worry about you or the
> co-pilot getting rained on - 'cause the pressurization will push it back
out
> the hole it came in from.:-)
> JRS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
>
> >
> > My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from the
> > windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet as
> ever
> > after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and
> everything
> > get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in my
> car
> > to soak up the water before each flight.
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain?
Mine
> > > leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to
> > > moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water,
which
> > > eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn
> > causes
> > > consternation among the passengers.
> > > >
> > > > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
> > chery-picker)
> > > and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab
with
> > > ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the
> rudder.
> > > Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a
change
> > in
> > > the balance of the control.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Campbell
> > > > AC52 N4186B
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
Bruce;
I just had my 560E painted and in doing so, had the wing tops and fuselage
sealed, took 12 tubes and 3 days labor, but hope it does the job. Time
will tell I guess.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Campbell <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> To:
> Date: 1/2/03 7:31:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
> I have managed to seal the cabin, no small task. Now only leakage is in
the
> tail, which is conducted down the stringers into the baggage.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
>
> >
> > I hunted down the leak and found
> > > it to be a seal between the wing root and the fuselage.
> >
> > This was from back in the 80's - from a previous owner of N198JW, "If
you
> > have the plane painted, be careful to have the joints sealed. I have
put
> > silicone on the joints and it has been watertight, but if this is
removed,
> > then it will leak quite a bit and it can do a lot of damage to the
> interior
> > in a hurry. This is especially true around the wing roots." Digging
back
> > into the commander service bulletins, I found that they had one about
> > sealing up the wing roots and it cost a lot of owners a lot of money
> > complying. When one really gets right down to it, it's common sense.
> Much
> > like Dr. Milt said: " Keep it in a hanger or cover it up." Unless, you
> are
> > in the air and pressurized, you don't have to worry about you or the
> > co-pilot getting rained on - 'cause the pressurization will push it back
> out
> > the hole it came in from.:-)
> > JRS
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from
the
> > > windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet as
> > ever
> > > after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and
> > everything
> > > get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in
my
> > car
> > > to soak up the water before each flight.
> > >
> > > Randy Dettmer
> > > 680F/N6253X
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> > > > Milt
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain?
> Mine
> > > > leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light
to
> > > > moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water,
> which
> > > > eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in
turn
> > > causes
> > > > consternation among the passengers.
> > > > >
> > > > > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
> > > chery-picker)
> > > > and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab
> with
> > > > ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the
> > rudder.
> > > > Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a
> change
> > > in
> > > > the balance of the control.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bruce Campbell
> > > > > AC52 N4186B
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
12 tubes of Proseal?
Ouch.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> Bruce;
> I just had my 560E painted and in doing so, had the wing tops and
fuselage
> sealed, took 12 tubes and 3 days labor, but hope it does the job. Time
> will tell I guess.
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bruce Campbell <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > To:
> > Date: 1/2/03 7:31:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
>
> >
> > I have managed to seal the cabin, no small task. Now only leakage is in
> the
> > tail, which is conducted down the stringers into the baggage.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I hunted down the leak and found
> > > > it to be a seal between the wing root and the fuselage.
> > >
> > > This was from back in the 80's - from a previous owner of N198JW, "If
> you
> > > have the plane painted, be careful to have the joints sealed. I have
> put
> > > silicone on the joints and it has been watertight, but if this is
> removed,
> > > then it will leak quite a bit and it can do a lot of damage to the
> > interior
> > > in a hurry. This is especially true around the wing roots." Digging
> back
> > > into the commander service bulletins, I found that they had one about
> > > sealing up the wing roots and it cost a lot of owners a lot of money
> > > complying. When one really gets right down to it, it's common sense.
> > Much
> > > like Dr. Milt said: " Keep it in a hanger or cover it up." Unless,
you
> > are
> > > in the air and pressurized, you don't have to worry about you or the
> > > co-pilot getting rained on - 'cause the pressurization will push it
back
> > out
> > > the hole it came in from.:-)
> > > JRS
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from
> the
> > > > windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet
as
> > > ever
> > > > after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and
> > > everything
> > > > get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in
> my
> > > car
> > > > to soak up the water before each flight.
> > > >
> > > > Randy Dettmer
> > > > 680F/N6253X
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> > > > > Milt
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain?
> > Mine
> > > > > leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light
> to
> > > > > moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water,
> > which
> > > > > eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in
> turn
> > > > causes
> > > > > consternation among the passengers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
> > > > chery-picker)
> > > > > and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical
stab
> > with
> > > > > ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the
> > > rudder.
> > > > > Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a
> > change
> > > > in
> > > > > the balance of the control.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bruce Campbell
> > > > > > AC52 N4186B
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com |
01/03/2003 08:50:22 AM
Well heck, my son and I would have rolled out the red carpet for him
too!!!!!
Russell Legg (at)matronics.com on 01/02/2003 05:12:36
PM
Please respond to commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N423M
G'day Tom,
You are confused. The 560F belongs to Crunk Snr and Joe S...
"Oil Slick" is lil Crunk, and a great guy!
Cheers
Russell
On 3/1/03 6:02 AM, "tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com"
wrote:
>
> MY once in-a-lifetime chance to meet "oil-slick"!!! Wow, I can't believe
I
> missed it. SHucks, I always wanted to tell him that he was not the first
to
> leave an oil cap off. My Dad did the same thing many years ago in a 520 -
> had to make a single engine landing in Lexington, KY!!!! (Dad said it was
> no big deal cause - heck - it was a Commander!!!!)
>
> If only I'd known .........................
>
>
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| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
My 500A was leaking REAL bad last Summer down here in Florida. It turned
out to be some type of a "mud dobber" creature. It had plugged up the drain
hole that comes out right by the rear entry door. It drains the backward
scoop on the top of the cabin. I have a piece of twisted safety wire that
is part of my preflight kit. Another creature plugged my Fuel sump drain.
Not in the tip of the tube but way up by the sump itself. A Cessna 310
throttle cable worked well to remove the plug. It's nice living next to a
junk yard.
I also bought a cover from "Bruce"
At least our drought ended.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
Happy New Year. May we all pass straight down the ILS
to Happiness, Health and Prosperity!! (with as few missed approaches as
humanly possible.)
Stephen Crow Punta Gorda, Fl
k4cpx(at)arrl.net
==================
A student became lost during a solo cross-country flight. While
attempting to locate the aircraft on radar, ATC asked, "What was your
last known position?"
Student: "When I was number one for takeoff."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last! |
Howdy:
I have just come up from South America. It took abot 7 hours, of 100%
joy. Excellent flight. Now that I am in Ft Lauderdale, I wanted to see who
is around, and come to visit. I am parked at Jet Center in KFLL.
I shoyld be flying this weekend somewhere, and should go back to thye
sticks towards week's end.
see ya
YV-10P
AC 680F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-Chat List: At Last!
>
>
> Bow wrote:
> >>Do you remember the old 3 and 4 hole Buick's?
> > The test questions of the day are. What are those
> > "holes" called? What were they originally designed to do? Stay tuned
> > tomorrow for the answer.:>)
> >
>
>
> Introduced in 1949. They were called "venti-ports" but generally
> refered to as "mouseholes".
> 3 holes on Supers and 4 on Roadmasters if memory serves, but I seem to
> recall seeing a Super Sedanette with 4...
>
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
Randy:
My 680F had the same problem but not as severe. I put silicoen through
the outside of the window panels. Try it
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from the
> windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet as
ever
> after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and
everything
> get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in my
car
> to soak up the water before each flight.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
> >
> > Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain? Mine
> > leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to
> > moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water, which
> > eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn
> causes
> > consternation among the passengers.
> > >
> > > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
> chery-picker)
> > and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab with
> > ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the
rudder.
> > Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a change
> in
> > the balance of the control.
> > >
> > > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce Campbell
> > > AC52 N4186B
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: sealing a 520 |
Thanks Ricardo, I'll check that out.
RD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
> Randy:
>
> My 680F had the same problem but not as severe. I put silicoen through
> the outside of the window panels. Try it
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
>
>
>
> >
> > My 680F is pretty leaky too...always thought the water came in from the
> > windows, but had them re-sealed this summer, and it was just as wet as
> ever
> > after this year's first rain storm. The carpets get soaked, and
> everything
> > get's wet from condensation...real drag. I keep a pile of towels in my
> car
> > to soak up the water before each flight.
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Can't be done. Keep it inside or cover it up.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: sealing a 520
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > has anyone had any luck getting a 520 to stay dry in heavy rain?
Mine
> > > leaks from the corrugated sheet covering the tail. Its OK in light to
> > > moderate rain, but in heavy rain it admits a great deal of water,
which
> > > eventually drains, but causes condensation in the cabin. This in turn
> > causes
> > > consternation among the passengers.
> > > >
> > > > One idea is to get up on the tail (via a VERY tall later or
> > chery-picker)
> > > and seal each of the 50+ voids in the covering of the vertical stab
with
> > > ployuterethane caulking. But then there's the touchy issue of the
> rudder.
> > > Presumably sealing the corrugated on the rudder would result in a
change
> > in
> > > the balance of the control.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone else's experiences/ideas?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bruce Campbell
> > > > AC52 N4186B
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
My experience suggests that Sherwin-Williams (no, really) makes one of
the best
and most price-effective polyurethane aircraft paints.
yes, acryglo is a good/durable/pretty paint...one of my birds is painted
with it and it is doing well. though only time will tell, it is the
paint of choice of many of the best paint shops (outside of communist
california/epa b.s.)
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Sold!
How much?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: paint
>
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
> wrote:
>
> My experience suggests that Sherwin-Williams (no, really) makes one of
> the best
> and most price-effective polyurethane aircraft paints.
>
> yes, acryglo is a good/durable/pretty paint...one of my birds is painted
> with it and it is doing well. though only time will tell, it is the
> paint of choice of many of the best paint shops (outside of communist
> california/epa b.s.)
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> California Condors Squadron
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Good Day in Commanderland |
Commanderland,
N690HM just showed up on the ramp of 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO.
David Hightower is the owner of a Grand Renaissance 690 10 with the full
Magic system including the new autopilot.
WOW!!!!
I took photos of it at NBAA.
I understand he a new TCFG member.
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
970-731-2127
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
After 2 months with the tail pipe episode, I set out today to tweak a couple
of hydraulic leaks in the nose gear well. We were successful in the nose
wheel. I ran up the engines in preparation for tomorrow's flight to the
border(FL/GA border) run up was great
Parked the airplane and when I went to tie down the right wing I found
Hydraulic fluid dripping off the right nacelle. Upon inspection, the pump I
just had overhauled(less that 20 hours ago) was leaking in the same spot as
it did when I sent it out.
UNBELIEVABLE!!! Will It ever stop?
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: never ending |
No.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Commander-List: never ending
>
> After 2 months with the tail pipe episode, I set out today to tweak a
couple
> of hydraulic leaks in the nose gear well. We were successful in the nose
> wheel. I ran up the engines in preparation for tomorrow's flight to the
> border(FL/GA border) run up was great
>
> Parked the airplane and when I went to tie down the right wing I found
> Hydraulic fluid dripping off the right nacelle. Upon inspection, the pump
I
> just had overhauled(less that 20 hours ago) was leaking in the same spot
as
> it did when I sent it out.
>
> UNBELIEVABLE!!! Will It ever stop?
>
> bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: never ending |
Thanks Milt,
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: never ending
>
> No.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
> To: "commanderlist"
> Subject: Commander-List: never ending
>
>
> >
> > After 2 months with the tail pipe episode, I set out today to tweak a
> couple
> > of hydraulic leaks in the nose gear well. We were successful in the
nose
> > wheel. I ran up the engines in preparation for tomorrow's flight to the
> > border(FL/GA border) run up was great
> >
> > Parked the airplane and when I went to tie down the right wing I found
> > Hydraulic fluid dripping off the right nacelle. Upon inspection, the
pump
> I
> > just had overhauled(less that 20 hours ago) was leaking in the same spot
> as
> > it did when I sent it out.
> >
> > UNBELIEVABLE!!! Will It ever stop?
> >
> > bilbo
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: never ending |
Just think....it could be worse...with skydrol I get to repaint the area
after each leak (unless, of course the leak is behind the instrument panel in
which case the carpet, leather and plastic is destroyed) and the pumps are
$4,000.00 each.
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rodd Browne" <dc8f(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | Re: never ending |
Hi Bow,
Happy Holidays.
Sorry to hear of your latest travails.. I assume the overhaul facility will
take it back and do the job again (if not correctly) at no charge. Sounds
like "o" rings which is generally an easy fix. The down time kills you
though.
I'm sick of lousy ripoff providers and even more so of their loudmouth
defenders. When I was a lot younger, a person could send a part off to have
it repaired in the knowledge that when it returned, IT WAS GONNA WORK. Not
so today. But there sure are enough "politically correct whiney-bineys"
willing to jump to the defense of the so called "experts in their fields".
We've had a few on this net. This country needs a strong coordinated
consumers union that'll put the BASH on crummy work, crummy performance, and
crummy products. (listen to Neal Boortz)
Well I guess I told everyone how I REALLY feel.
Good luck and I hope you're airborne (while still married) soon.
rodd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: never ending
>
> Thanks Milt,
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: never ending
>
>
> >
> > No.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net>
> > To: "commanderlist"
> > Subject: Commander-List: never ending
> >
> >
> > >
> > > After 2 months with the tail pipe episode, I set out today to tweak a
> > couple
> > > of hydraulic leaks in the nose gear well. We were successful in the
> nose
> > > wheel. I ran up the engines in preparation for tomorrow's flight to
the
> > > border(FL/GA border) run up was great
> > >
> > > Parked the airplane and when I went to tie down the right wing I found
> > > Hydraulic fluid dripping off the right nacelle. Upon inspection, the
> pump
> > I
> > > just had overhauled(less that 20 hours ago) was leaking in the same
spot
> > as
> > > it did when I sent it out.
> > >
> > > UNBELIEVABLE!!! Will It ever stop?
> > >
> > > bilbo
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com> |
I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
all - but sez Apache)
No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
without a heater.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
Yep,
Apache 235, no less, and not a bad old ship, but an Aero Commander it ain't.
And if you paid any more than about $15,000, ( unless it is stacked with
this week's latest Garmin) you got done.
Cheers,
Bill hamilton.
>
>
>I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
>I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
>
>I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
>quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
>all - but sez Apache)
>No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
>
>Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
>returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
>without a heater.
>
>chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
The 235 is a fine plane.
Aome pepole would call the Aztec ( which is essentially the same) as one of
the homeliest, most get-you-there aircraft ever built.
But I understand they have a significant AD history which can lead to
breathtaking annuals.
IS this one of those canards, like the similar complaint about commanders
and v-tail bonanzas?
Bruce campbell
ac52 n4186b
"fly coastie!"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
>
> I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
>
> I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> all - but sez Apache)
> No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
>
> Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> without a heater.
>
> chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Glad to see you got it. Those old planes are fine if you keep it inside what
it was designed for. Most of those old planes got a bad reputation because
tlhey had roomy cockpits and people would load them down and then fill the
extra fuel tanks full and would be way over gross and then wonder why they
would not fly well. I thank you will enjoy it.
Jim Add
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
all - but sez Apache)
No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
without a heater.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
If I didn't own a commander I would own an Apache.
You will just have to fly upside down so that the wings are in the correct
position relative to the fuselage.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
>
> I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
>
> I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> all - but sez Apache)
> No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
>
> Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> without a heater.
>
> chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Well, congratulations (even if you did drift to the "dark side") I flew an
Aztec that was purchased just for the engines for another project. It
arrived with several hours of fuel in the tanks so I decided to take the
"crew" out and burn the tanks dry and show them why we ME pilots are such hot
stuff. I had never flown one before but by the time I got back, I was
impressed. I simply couldn't make it misbehave. The other guys, all SEL
pilots had no trouble flying it on one and we really worked it over.
You chose a good, safe twin. Fly safe. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
No redemption necessary, Chris. Those Apaches are nice workhorses and with
the 235's they are anything but traditional, flying-brick Apaches. And we
know that they also are excellent stepping-stones to you-know-whats. It's
better that you remain in flying condition than waiting for a Charlie and
rotting your skills on a mahogany bomber.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
>
> I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
>
> I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> all - but sez Apache)
> No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
>
> Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> without a heater.
>
> chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
Bruce,
I would have said, from my experience, that the Apache/Aztec were one of
the better aircraft re. AD surprises, and they really are a very simple
aircraft, nothing like the hydraulics of the Commanders.
But whenever the "high wing versus low wing" debate gets going, my question
always is: Can I taxi through gates ?? Not everywhere I go is blessed with
an airfield of some kind, and leaving your aeroplane in the middle of the
road is not a good idea.
There is one thing where any of the Commanders wins hands down, in the
handling, IMHO none of the Cessna/Piper/Beech are in the same cat., but
then again I say the same thing .about the handling of my AT-28D. Am I
biased. Most certainly.
Cheers all,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>
>The 235 is a fine plane.
>
>Aome pepole would call the Aztec ( which is essentially the same) as one of
>the homeliest, most get-you-there aircraft ever built.
>
>But I understand they have a significant AD history which can lead to
>breathtaking annuals.
>
>IS this one of those canards, like the similar complaint about commanders
>and v-tail bonanzas?
>
> Bruce campbell
> ac52 n4186b
>
> "fly coastie!"
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
>
>
>
> >
> > I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
> >
> > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> > all - but sez Apache)
> > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
> >
> > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> > without a heater.
> >
> > chris
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
Good supply of all types, Steve C.
http://www.gpscables.com/catalog.html#cables
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
Hey Chris,
Those old AZTRUCKS and Apaches are built like the poverbial BRICK S... HOUSE. It
is the only airplane that can do an auto rotation from about 50 ft straight
onto the deck and not have the oleos come through the top of the wing. Involved
a friend and I flying into a very short strip on one Islands on the Barrier
Reef. Uphill strip with trees at the lower threshold below the runway level. My
mate takes his feet off the pedals as we go over the trees ,flares at about
50 ft and proceeds vertically into the tar. All very exciting. I flew the bird
home and have never let him fly me again.
Hope all is going well with you.
To all the great people of TCFG , Happy New Year.
Regards
Richard.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
Hey Chris,
Those old AZTRUCKS and Apaches are built like the poverbial BRICK S... HOUSE. It
is the only airplane that can do an auto rotation from about 50 ft straight
onto the deck and not have the oleos come through the top of the wing. Involved
a friend and I flying into a very short strip on one Islands on the Barrier
Reef. Uphill strip with trees at the lower threshold below the runway level. My
mate takes his feet off the pedals as we go over the trees ,flares at about
50 ft and proceeds vertically into the tar. All very exciting. I flew the bird
home and have never let him fly me again.
Hope all is going well with you.
To all the great people of TCFG , Happy New Year.
Regards
Richard.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Phone numbers |
Hi All,
Thanks to those that replied to my carb questions.
Can anyone give me the phone no of Mikes fuel.
Regards,
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache
160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not too
pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it the
"Potato".
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
>
> I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
>
> I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> all - but sez Apache)
> No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem me.
>
> Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> without a heater.
>
> chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial
#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex
under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded us
up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one
engine you can handle anything." Great trainer.
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> [Original Message]
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
>
>
> Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache
> 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not
too
> pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it
the
> "Potato".
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
>
>
>
> >
> > I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
> >
> > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> > all - but sez Apache)
> > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem
me.
> >
> > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> > without a heater.
> >
> > chris
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | T-28's, wind damage |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> but
> then again I say the same thing .about the handling of my AT-28D.
You've never flown a CJ, have you? :) You taking your Trojan to OSH
this year? I'd hate to see us lowly CJ drivers put up more ships than
the the T-28's and T-6's *again*... :) Actually, I'd love to see 50
CJ's, 50 T-28's, 50 T-6's and 50 T-34's all in the air at the same time
this year. Though I'd hate to be lead trying to hit the criss-cross
with 500 ft separation!
As for my Commander, 80 mph Santa Ana's ripped the tail hook and main
gear tie down ring right out of 680E. Luckily no further damage. Chino
looks like a war zone...
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Phone numbers |
Richard,
Don't know if these are still good, but give them a try.
Mikes A/C Fuel Metering Service, Inc.
9406 E. 46th Street North
Tulsa, OK 74117
(918) 838-6217
(918) 838-7047 fax
or
PRECISION AIRMOTIVE ($75/hr)
3220-100th Street, SW #E
Everett, WA 98204
(360) 651-8282
(425) 347-2800 Manuals
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Phone numbers
Hi All,
Thanks to those that replied to my carb questions.
Can anyone give me the phone no of Mikes fuel.
Regards,
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
All,
Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi engine
in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
All say after me, "Aaaah, the good old days".
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial
>#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex
>under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded us
>up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one
>engine you can handle anything." Great trainer.
>
>Phil Stubbs
>br549phil(at)mindspring.com
>Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > To:
> > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
> >
>
> >
> > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an Apache
> > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly. Not
>too
> > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called it
>the
> > "Potato".
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
> > >
> > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache. Havn't
> > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail and
> > > all - but sez Apache)
> > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps redeem
>me.
> > >
> > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> > > without a heater.
> > >
> > > chris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Hells Bells, I also did my "multi" in an Apache back in 1967 but I can't
remember what HP the engines were.
I don't think I cared at that stage of my career. All I can remember that
it was an ugly airplane and flew like a brick.
I also remember that it was easier to keep up the thrust until touch down
rather than deal with the sudden and exciting drop to the tarmac when the
throttles were retarded to idle.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
>
> All,
> Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
engine
> in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
> All say after me, "Aaaah, the good old days".
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> >
> >Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial
> >#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex
> >under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded
us
> >up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one
> >engine you can handle anything." Great trainer.
> >
> >Phil Stubbs
> >br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > > To:
> > > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an
Apache
> > > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly.
Not
> >too
> > > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called
it
> >the
> > > "Potato".
> > >
> > > Randy Dettmer
> > > 680F/N6253X
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> > > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
> > > >
> > > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache.
Havn't
> > > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail
and
> > > > all - but sez Apache)
> > > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps
redeem
> >me.
> > > >
> > > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> > > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> > > > without a heater.
> > > >
> > > > chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Had another really great, no, inspirational flight in tripe 2
today. It was the same old SEA and back but the air is crystal clear and not
a bump!! Went over at 5.5, 39 minutes with a ground speed of 202 @ 2600 X
33. Nice approach from the East side int BFI and the ground controller was
my boat buddy!
I was up there to do an emergncy repair on the boat. My neighbor
called to tell me the 60MPH windstorm they had a few days ago had damaged my
canvas. It turned out to be an easy fix (Praise God, I cant handel another
baot deal just now) so that made the flight worth it.
I wanted to take a look at a 690 on the field for Milt, but wasn't
able, next trip, next Monday.
Left at 6pm, dark. What a wonderful ride out!! Clear and smooth and
beautiful. I could see PDX from 75 miles out. Made 197 on the return flight
6.5 same power. Great night landing on our 2300 foot strip with an east
wind. Home for supper, what a county!! Hope all is well in Commanderland.
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A great day in OzCommanderland! |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day all!
Today saw the first flight of Commander 690B VH-TSS ex N101RG at Essendon
Airport in Melbourne Victoria. As N101RG, the aircraft was ferried to
Essendon back in November '01 ex Tulsa Oklahoma. Some of you might know
N101RG.
This machine is the very first Renaissance conversion to be completed in Oz
and indeed I believe the first Renaissance to be completed outside the
USA...Sir Barry??
Congratulations to Steve Nott and the team at General Aviation Maintenance
for a great project.
A second Renaissance conversion is being planned to begin over the next few
months and let's hope that a steady stream continues...I am sure the folks
at TCAC will be jubilant...watch out for a future issue of TCAC Flight
Levels.
Cheers and champagne
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Looking for Milt's Contact information |
Was hoping to get a hold of Milt. Does anyone have his contact info?
Thank You,
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n414c" <n414c(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for Milt's Contact information |
Kevin,
You can contact me at N414C@ direcway.com
Home 601-276-9334
Office 601-6844111
Cellular 601-606-7032
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Looking for Milt's Contact information
>
> Was hoping to get a hold of Milt. Does anyone have his contact info?
>
>
> Thank You,
> Kevin Coons
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GREAT FLIGHT |
Thanks Jim for the report...really enjoy your descriptions of great flights
in triple 2.
Had one myself on Monday...hopped in my 680F with 2 buddies and our ski gear
for an 0630 departure from SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) and a crystal clear
flight at 10.5 to TRK (Truckee, CA) The Sierra's looked like you could touch
them from a hundred miles away, with the sun rising behind them. We were on
the slopes of Northstar Ski Resort by 0900...beautiful skiing all day in
great conditions, then back in the Commander to lift off at 1730 for a
gorgeous night flight back to SBP with the western horizon glowing orange,
lights below twinkling, and the stars shinning above. Wow...what an flight.
We are blessed to have access to these wonderful machines that bring such
incredible experineces into our lives.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: GREAT FLIGHT
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Had another really great, no, inspirational flight in
tripe 2
> today. It was the same old SEA and back but the air is crystal clear and
not
> a bump!! Went over at 5.5, 39 minutes with a ground speed of 202 @ 2600 X
> 33. Nice approach from the East side int BFI and the ground controller
was
> my boat buddy!
> I was up there to do an emergncy repair on the boat. My neighbor
> called to tell me the 60MPH windstorm they had a few days ago had damaged
my
> canvas. It turned out to be an easy fix (Praise God, I cant handel
another
> baot deal just now) so that made the flight worth it.
> I wanted to take a look at a 690 on the field for Milt, but wasn't
> able, next trip, next Monday.
> Left at 6pm, dark. What a wonderful ride out!! Clear and smooth
and
> beautiful. I could see PDX from 75 miles out. Made 197 on the return
flight
> 6.5 same power. Great night landing on our 2300 foot strip with an east
> wind. Home for supper, what a county!! Hope all is well in
Commanderland.
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 12:29 AM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
> engine
> in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
Yeah, big enough to get you to the scene of the accident *faster*! :)
All praise to GSO-480's!
Barry Hancock
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
California Condors Squadron
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! |
In a message dated 1/8/03 1:07:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au writes:
> Cheers and champagne
>
YIPPEE!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: GREAT FLIGHT |
In a message dated 1/8/03 6:52:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> We are blessed to have access to these wonderful machines that bring such
> incredible experineces into our lives.
>
AMEN, AMEN...What a great trip, thanks for sharing it. When I read the old
magazine ads I collect, it also helps me to realize, just as you said, how
blessed we are to have access to these great airplanes. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bow" <w.bow(at)att.net> |
I got 1 hour of training in a 160 Apache. I was getting some instruction
from a National Airlines Captain, (1)whose instructor certificate was non
current, (2)in an airplane he had sold to a buddy (he hadn't gotten all the
money yet),(3)insurance had expired, (4)gear warning horn and light didn't
work.
It took me 20 years to admit to it, but THEY LAND REAL SOFT WITH THE GEAR IN
THE WELL.
and they are real easy to get out of when you think they are on fire.
He and I are still good friends.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
>
> All,
> Sounds like a few of us have fond memories of doing an initial multi
engine
> in the Apache, at least I had the "big engine" all of 160 a side.
> All say after me, "Aaaah, the good old days".
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> >
> >Got my multi in a 150 horse Apache. Number thirteen off the line (serial
> >#14) which is now parked at IAD awaiting entry into the Air & Space annex
> >under construction. My instructer always brought a passenger and loaded
us
> >up to gross, always on a hot day, saying "if you can handle this on one
> >engine you can handle anything." Great trainer.
> >
> >Phil Stubbs
> >br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> >Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > > To:
> > > Date: 1/7/2003 9:58:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Confessions
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey Chris...congratulations. I spent many hundreds of hours in an
Apache
> > > 160. I loved that old plane...it was comfortable and easy to fly.
Not
> >too
> > > pretty, tho. This one was "round & brown". We affectionately called
it
> >the
> > > "Potato".
> > >
> > > Randy Dettmer
> > > 680F/N6253X
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Schuermann" <chris(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Confessions
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I suppose it's time to confess my sins...
> > > > I bought an airplane, and it isn't a Commander. Please forgive me.
> > > >
> > > > I'm the owner of a PA-23-235. (that's a pseudo-Aztec Apache.
Havn't
> > > > quite figured it out myself yet. Looks like an Atzec - square tail
and
> > > > all - but sez Apache)
> > > > No geared engines, but does have augmentor tubes if that helps
redeem
> >me.
> > > >
> > > > Many MANY thanks to Don "Oil Slick" Crunkleton for treking to CT and
> > > > returning the poor thing to Tulsa for me through nasty weather and
> > > > without a heater.
> > > >
> > > > chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | 681 Century Conversion |
Hi all,
I spent most of last Sunday with Morris Kernick in Hayward CA. what a great
guy. We looked over his 680 FLP as well as a Shrike he just purchased, but
after lots of conversation and thinking about it, Morris suggested we look
for a 681 with the Century conversion. Morris thinks that is the best plane
for our needs and I'm sure Morris knows a lot more than I do, so I'm
inclined to listen to him. I see three of these planes in the Controller and
one of them looks pretty good, so Morris will be checking it out for us, as
well as a couple of other birds he knows about.
Does anyone here have any experience with or time in one of these birds? I'm
wondering about real world cruise, climb, useful load, fuel flow and
maintenance. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
I have no turbine time, I have around 2200 TT, with 1500 of that being in
pressurized piston twins (58P Baron, B60 Duke & 601P Aerostar). My insurance
company says no problem getting insurance as long as I continue my yearly
training program, I just need to get an initial in the 681.
Kerry Johnson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 681 Century Conversion |
I am also interested in a Century 681, as an upgrade from my 680F. (Morris
and I have also had similar disscussions...) With projects in Colorado,
Idaho, Washington, and California, my transportation needs are starting to
suggest something "higher & faster". I would also like to know about real
world numbers for the 681.
Good luck with your search for a new plane Kerry. Please keep me informed
about your progress.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
>
> Hi all,
>
> I spent most of last Sunday with Morris Kernick in Hayward CA. what a
great
> guy. We looked over his 680 FLP as well as a Shrike he just purchased, but
> after lots of conversation and thinking about it, Morris suggested we look
> for a 681 with the Century conversion. Morris thinks that is the best
plane
> for our needs and I'm sure Morris knows a lot more than I do, so I'm
> inclined to listen to him. I see three of these planes in the Controller
and
> one of them looks pretty good, so Morris will be checking it out for us,
as
> well as a couple of other birds he knows about.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with or time in one of these birds?
I'm
> wondering about real world cruise, climb, useful load, fuel flow and
> maintenance. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have no turbine time, I have around 2200 TT, with 1500 of that being in
> pressurized piston twins (58P Baron, B60 Duke & 601P Aerostar). My
insurance
> company says no problem getting insurance as long as I continue my yearly
> training program, I just need to get an initial in the 681.
>
> Kerry Johnson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | 681 Century Conversion |
Randy,
Sounds like we have somewhat similar needs. We are operating a C210 and an
Aerostar 601P right now, with most of the demand for the 601P. As I
understand it, we will not gain much speed going to a 681, but we will gain
much needed room and seating capacity. Our 601P likes the low 20's or high
teens and will give us consistent 220-230 KTAS and 32-34 GPH at those
altitudes. Morris indicated we would see around 240 KTAS and 72GPH in a 681.
If this is true, we will only gain 10 or 20 knots for double the fuel flow.
Hmmm, maybe we would be better of with an additional 601P... just kidding.
If we did get another 601P, I would have to see those kooky clone people
about making a clone of me.
Anyway, it would be nice to hear from someone who actually operates a 681.
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
I am also interested in a Century 681, as an upgrade from my 680F. (Morris
and I have also had similar disscussions...) With projects in Colorado,
Idaho, Washington, and California, my transportation needs are starting to
suggest something "higher & faster". I would also like to know about real
world numbers for the 681.
Good luck with your search for a new plane Kerry. Please keep me informed
about your progress.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 681 Century Conversion
>
> Hi all,
>
> I spent most of last Sunday with Morris Kernick in Hayward CA. what a
great
> guy. We looked over his 680 FLP as well as a Shrike he just purchased, but
> after lots of conversation and thinking about it, Morris suggested we look
> for a 681 with the Century conversion. Morris thinks that is the best
plane
> for our needs and I'm sure Morris knows a lot more than I do, so I'm
> inclined to listen to him. I see three of these planes in the Controller
and
> one of them looks pretty good, so Morris will be checking it out for us,
as
> well as a couple of other birds he knows about.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with or time in one of these birds?
I'm
> wondering about real world cruise, climb, useful load, fuel flow and
> maintenance. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
>
> I have no turbine time, I have around 2200 TT, with 1500 of that being in
> pressurized piston twins (58P Baron, B60 Duke & 601P Aerostar). My
insurance
> company says no problem getting insurance as long as I continue my yearly
> training program, I just need to get an initial in the 681.
>
> Kerry Johnson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A great day in OzCommanderland! |
Hi Russell,
Well, that must be the very first Grand Renaissance to have been completed
outside of the USA.
Congratulations to Steve Nott and his team.
No doubt Australian Fishing Enterprises Pty Ltd. are itching to get their hands
on it at long last.
If you get the chance to find out what number 690B it is to receive the GR
makeover, I'll be really grateful. Last one I knew of was 690B-08 back in
November 2001.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Commander-List: A great day in OzCommanderland!
|
| G'day all!
|
| Today saw the first flight of Commander 690B VH-TSS ex N101RG at Essendon
| Airport in Melbourne Victoria. As N101RG, the aircraft was ferried to
| Essendon back in November '01 ex Tulsa Oklahoma. Some of you might know
| N101RG.
|
| This machine is the very first Renaissance conversion to be completed in Oz
| and indeed I believe the first Renaissance to be completed outside the
| USA...Sir Barry??
|
| Congratulations to Steve Nott and the team at General Aviation Maintenance
| for a great project.
|
| A second Renaissance conversion is being planned to begin over the next few
| months and let's hope that a steady stream continues...I am sure the folks
| at TCAC will be jubilant...watch out for a future issue of TCAC Flight
| Levels.
|
|
December 15, 2002 - January 08, 2003
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