Commander-Archive.digest.vol-ax
February 07, 2003 - March 20, 2003
ago.)
Thanks,
Andrew Watson
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| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs, WOOPS |
No photos on the web site? Dan? What's UP?
The spy novel writer wants a photo for the cover of his book!!!
Go to the plane of the month and you will see Tom's 500B.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
Hi,
I'm new to this group...
I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a
novel and I reference a Shrike in the story.
I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is a
younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the
designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston,
Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar.
(The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most
beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob Hoover -
yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many years
ago.)
Thanks,
Andrew Watson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
It is the 2nd most beautiful twin.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this group...
>
> I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a
novel and I reference a Shrike in the story.
>
> I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is
a younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the
designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston,
Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar.
>
> (The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most
beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob Hoover -
yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many years
ago.)
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew Watson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
Tylor,
You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
this list.
bilbo
N78379
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
>
> Andrew,
> Boy, did you come to the right place to get a bunch of information.
>
> The short story is that the A/C 500 B, U, S evolved from the earlier round
> cowling Aero Commanders. The 500 B, U, & S were the first to have flat
> nacelles. I lump the B, U, and S together since the all use the same
> engine. The U and S as later models had long noses, eye brow windows, and
> front doors added as standard. These also show up in the B models as
later
> added options. Bob Hoover flew the S model.
>
> www.aerocommander.com is the web site with a number of photos. On this
site
> you will find technical specifications. There are none for the S. They
are
> the same as the U model for all practical purposes. You will find photos
of
> the 500 under the short speedline section.
>
> That was the short answer. Want more?
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew &
> Bridget Watson
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this group...
>
> I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a
> novel and I reference a Shrike in the story.
>
> I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is
a
> younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the
> designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston,
> Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar.
>
> (The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most
> beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob
Hoover -
> yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many
years
> ago.)
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew Watson
>
>
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| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
Bow,
I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The
difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two
bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in
1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with
GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the seedline
flat nacelles until you get up close.
This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know.
"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S
(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail." Is
that how it begins?
Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more
comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization).
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
Tylor,
You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
this list.
bilbo
N78379
500A
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| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
Tylor,
The 560F had the IGO-540 not a GSO-540.
Chris S. A link to the timeline you created has been added to the aircraft models
page. Thanks for the reminder. There are still a few things that have not
been switched over. We are trying to get to it all and will eventually it is
just a matter of time.
The photos section will be update during this week to include all of the photos
from the old page and some new photos.
Jim A. I put up several pictures of your 500A. 2 in the speedline picture gallery
and one in the compare aircraft section. I picked the picture of the plane
in the yellow flowers. Is this a good picture to represent the 500A or should
I pick one of the original ones?
Chris
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:51:57 -0700
>
>Bow,
>I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The
>difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two
>bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in
>1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with
>GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the seedline
>flat nacelles until you get up close.
>
>This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know.
>
>"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S
>(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail." Is
>that how it begins?
>
>Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more
>comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization).
>
>Regards,
>Tylor Hall
>Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
>2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
>970-731-2127
>
>
>Tylor,
>
>You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
>this list.
>
>bilbo
>N78379
>500A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
Tylor Hall wrote:
> I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960. The
> difference was the engines and props.
Correct. Actually, some 500A's were converted to 500Bs. As near as I
have been able to tell, the 500A, 500B, 560F, and 680F are the exact
same airframe structure. The only difference is the engine installation
and associated minor items (different MAP instruments, etc) that would
be affected. The 500U and S have slightly different structures
(including the wing spar change and elimination of some corrogated
control surface skins). The only difference I'm aware of between a U
and S is that at some point, they quit using flush rivets on the aft
part of the wing. Believe this happened somewhere during the "S"
production run. (not counting interior and trim variations of course).
Chris Schuermann
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| Subject: | Seatback Briefing Card |
Dose anyone have a sample of a seatback briefing card suitable for use
on our 560A?
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seatback Briefing Card |
Bill Williams wrote:
> Dose anyone have a sample of a seatback briefing card suitable for use
> on our 560A?
Welcome aboard Schuermann Airlines flight 0001 departing
Sand Springs en route, with any luck at all, to where ever
we're going. Please make sure your seatbelt is on and that your seat
is securely fastened to the fuselage. At this time, any personal items
should be stowed securely in the trunk of your car, since there is no
overhead compartment or space beneath your seat, to speak of. Please
turn off all portable electronic devices, and keep them off until we
have landed safely, or for the duration of the flight, whichever comes
first. Smoking is not permitted inside the cabin; smoking outside the
cabin should be reported to the captain immediately. There is no
beverage service during the flight, however, heavy drinking prior to
takeoff is encouraged. In-flight entertainment will consist of watching
the pilot's desperate struggle to control the plane. We'll be flying at
an altitude of 2500 feet today, in theory; should the
plane's altitude drop precipitously, please check to ensure that the
pilot is awake and in an upright position. Lavatories are located at
either end of the flight. As we prepare for takeoff, please take this
opportunity to locate the exit nearest you and, if you have any sense at
all, avail yourself of it before it's too late. In a moment, the pilot
will begin handing out the release forms in preparation for takeoff. Be
assured that in all his time aloft, Pilot Chris Schuermann has
never lost a passenger; however, your results may vary. Now sit back,
relax, and enjoy your flight.
Chris
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| Subject: | Seatback Briefing Card |
Chris:
Thanks for the verbal brief. What I need is a sample of the card that
shows the emergency exit, etc.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
All,
Steady on, chaps, the 500 A was the first to the "flat" nacelles, not the 500B.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Andrew,
>Boy, did you come to the right place to get a bunch of information.
>
>The short story is that the A/C 500 B, U, S evolved from the earlier round
>cowling Aero Commanders. The 500 B, U, & S were the first to have flat
>nacelles. I lump the B, U, and S together since the all use the same
>engine. The U and S as later models had long noses, eye brow windows, and
>front doors added as standard. These also show up in the B models as later
>added options. Bob Hoover flew the S model.
>
>www.aerocommander.com is the web site with a number of photos. On this site
>you will find technical specifications. There are none for the S. They are
>the same as the U model for all practical purposes. You will find photos of
>the 500 under the short speedline section.
>
>That was the short answer. Want more?
>
>Regards,
>Tylor Hall
>Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
>2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
>970-731-2127
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andrew &
>Bridget Watson
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm new to this group...
>
>I'm looking for performance specs for a Shrike Commander - I'm writing a
>novel and I reference a Shrike in the story.
>
>I really should learn a bit more about it - the only thing I know is it is a
>younger sibling of the 500U, with origins in the 520/560. I believe the
>designer was Ted Smith, who originally designed the Douglas Havoc/Boston,
>Invader, and then went on to design the Aerostar.
>
>(The only other things I know about the Shrike are that it is the most
>beautiful twin in the air today, and that it was made famous by Bob Hoover -
>yes, I saw him do his one engine roll at Lanseria in South Africa many years
>ago.)
>
>Thanks,
>Andrew Watson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Seatback Briefing Card |
I have seen such a thing. Let me see if I can dig something up, no promises
jb
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| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | The Englishman and Reality |
I apologize for posting this here, folks, it's just that this kind of thing
cannot really be expressed too often, especially now. And coming from an
Englishman writing in a liberal paper, it is all the more rare. Perhaps we
ought to give Tony Parsons more exposure by sending this around a little.
There is hope yet.
Nico
> Message From England
>
> No matter what your views on President Bush's statement of
> upcoming war, this, from an English journalist, is very interesting.
> Just a word of background, for those of you who aren't familiar with
> the UK's Daily Mirror. This is a notoriously left-wing daily
> that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the
> Atlantic.
>
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> Tony Parsons Daily Mirror September 11, 2002
>
>
> One year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting--
> the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the
> pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol
> Pot's Mountain of Skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like
> garbage in the Nazi concentration camps.
>
> An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly
> merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing -
> nobody deserves this fate.
> Surely there could be consensus: The victims were truly
> innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.
>
> But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as
> America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the
> last year.
>
> There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this
> country; too loud, too rich, too full of themselves, and so much happier
> than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems
> incredible to me.
> More than that, it turns my stomach.
>
> America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest
> ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little
> over
> half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our
> freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a
> year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just
> Americans, but from dozens of countries, were butchered by a small group
> of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them?
>
> What touched the heart about those who died in the Twin Towers
> and on the planes, was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers,
> somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands, wives, and children,
> some
> unborn.
>
> And these people brought it on themselves? Their nation is to
> blame for their meticulously planned slaughter?
>
> These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in
> Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The
> anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who
> blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives
> suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do
> what it likes without having to ask permission.
>
> The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint
> since September 11.
>
> Remember, remember -
>
> Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their
> wives to say, "I love you," before they were burned alive.
>
> Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of
> Burning skyscrapers.
>
> Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.
>
> Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was
> on one of the planes with her mum.
>
> Remember, remember -
>
> And realize that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in
> anything like the way it could have.
>
> So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp
> X-ray? Pass the Kleenex . . .
>
> So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they
> merrily Fired their semi-automatics in a sky full of American
> planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.
>
> AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a
> parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices
> are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a
> democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a
> minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11?
> How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that
> the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?
>
> When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving
> Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of
> that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that
> America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still
> find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not
> a "war on terrorism." A real war.
>
> The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of
> hell," if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened
> the gates of hell like you wouldn't believe.
>
> The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode
> the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have
> been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be
> misconceived.
>
> But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to
> these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in
> the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them
> on the fingers of one hand -assuming you
> haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.
>
> I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me
> Bush's poodle.
>
> But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in
> Riyadh.
>
> Above all, America is hated because it is what every country
> wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground
> down by the past, or religion, or some caste system. America is
> the best friend this country ever had and we should start
> remembering that.
>
> Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it
> to the loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death
> from the burning towers.
>
> Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the
> hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper.
> And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked
> for the New York Fire Department.
>
> To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam
> Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured
> his own people and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told
> he likes Quality Street. Save me the orange center, Oh Mighty One!
>
> Remember, remember, September 11 -
>
> One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed
> against America.
>
> No, do more than remember. Never forget.
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Pretty quite out there. Not a Commander, but for those of
you who can find the mag In flight USA at your local FBO, I was lucky enough
to be on the cover again, this time flying the Sherpa. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
A couple of changes going on. TCFG member Jimmy Rorrequiez
is the proud new owner of the first 500B ever made, N108RG. It is now at
Morris' place getting an annual. Also, it is rumored that TCFG member John
Mcdonalod has sold his 500B?? And last, TCFG member Gary Giesler is hot on
the trial of a 500S that is parked across the river at PDX It has a
replacement spar (no AD) Hope he can get it bought, I think it would be a
really nice airplane for him and he has been looking super hard to find just
the right Commander.
Flew triple two the other day. Did a couple of practice approaches, a
VOR/DME and a LOC/DME. Just practicing procedures for now. Great to fly
again. I will be taking the old gal to Olympia Thursday for a meeting wit
the State Legislature regarding the raising of pilot fees, A/C registration
and the gas tax, yuck!!
I am working on the annual of a Stearman now (the guy owns 9 of them),
trying to keep my IA current. I am planing to go to CA and inspect Jimmies
new 500B, hope it works out.
Hope all is well in your Commanderland. jb
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| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
How is TBO determined?
Is it a number based on statistics? Or is it based on a wild ass guess?
Milt
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
ZACTLY
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: TBO
>
> How is TBO determined?
>
> Is it a number based on statistics? Or is it based on a wild ass guess?
> Milt
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
N414C wrote:
>
> How is TBO determined?
>
> Is it a number based on statistics? Or is it based on a wild ass guess?
> Milt
What a great question. I think I know the answer, but am going to
consult some documentation before venturing a detailed response.
cs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | TBO & metal treatments |
Regarding TBO. Has anyone used AvBlend or any other metal treatment to get
more life out of their geared engines?
I've used metal treatments in my cars for years and know that it has done
well for me there. Just wondering if there is a similar result in
aircraft...especially with the cold weather.
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | TBO & metal treatments |
Todd, have used Avblend for over 600 hours in my 560e. Engines are at
TBO and show absolutely no sign of any carbon on in the cyclinders. If
it works is anyones guess. It smells like it contains ether, so I guess
that's the cleaning agent. I also have been know to use Marvel Mystery
Oil in the gas. The only down side is the cost. Two cans per engine.
But it makes me feel warm and fuzzy, so I guess it's worth it.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Todd
Hindmarsh
Subject: Commander-List: TBO & metal treatments
Regarding TBO. Has anyone used AvBlend or any other metal treatment to
get more life out of their geared engines?
I've used metal treatments in my cars for years and know that it has
done well for me there. Just wondering if there is a similar result in
aircraft...especially with the cold weather.
Todd
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
> N414C wrote:
>
>>
>>How is TBO determined?
I was thinking that something in Part 33 addressed this question, but
I've been unable to locate it. The short answer appears to be that the
manufacturer is allowed to set a "recomended TBO", then adjust it as
service history shows is reasonable. There are a lot of older engines
that started life with a much lower TBO recomendation than is shown
today. Over time, the manufacturers upgraded TBO numbers based on how
the engines were surviving in the field. Part 33 specifies a rather
intensive set of stress tests over aprox 150 hours, but doesn't provide
the means to set a TBO.
So, to answer your question, it appears that an initial conservative
"best guess" is made, then adjusted up or down as history is collected.
Does that make us each a test pilot? Some Piper Malibu owners might
say so....
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/11/03 5:22:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net
writes:
> So, to answer your question, it appears that an initial conservative
> "best guess" is made, then adjusted up or down as history is collected.
> Does that make us each a test pilot? Some Piper Malibu owners might
> say so....
>
The 560F I feeried (all the way to El Paso) had 1200 tBO engins. The left
was just under 1900, the righ just under 1700, ran great!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
Tells me that those so called weak gears are not weak after all,eh JB, but
you and I and Crunk and the other gearheads know that already, how was the
oil consumption on those engines? Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/11/03 7:51:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
COMMANDER560(at)cs.com writes:
> Tells me that those so called weak gears are not weak after all,eh JB, but
> you and I and Crunk and the other gearheads know that already, how was the
> oil consumption on those engines? Joe
>
I only flew it 1.6, but could not tell that it used any in that time. I
really like the 560F, a great airplane. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
TBO chat again. What actually determines when you have to overhaul these
engines? Is based on the results of the annual inspection? Compression? Oil
analysis?
JB flew that 560F with nearly 1700/1900 and said it was still running
strong. Can we go 2000 if we take good care of the engines?
Thanks,
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
I just ordered some AvBlend for the oil change next week and came to find
out that it's made by the ZMax company. I know that stuff works well in
automobiles so I'm feeling optimistic about its performance in the
GSO-480's.
The other nice thing - this stuff costs the same as the automotive stuff.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
Todd Hindmarsh wrote:
> What actually determines when you have to overhaul these
> engines? Is based on the results of the annual inspection? Compression? Oil
> analysis?
In a nutshell, yes. For part91 use, most components are operated "on
condition". This means that as long as an A&P/IA will sign the engines
off as "airworthy" that you can continue running them. Especially on
the smaller, low power engines, you can get well past TBO assuming that
you started the run with a high-quality engine. One thing to note,
however, is that the likelyhood of an expensive overhaul begins to go up
as you run well past TBO. Basicly, if you wait until something really
breaks, it's gonna be more expensive to fix. (ie: when a bearing
finally fails, it could trash a VERY expensive crank or cam which
otherwise would have just been inspected and returned to service).
If you're running a commercial op, TBO's are mandatory. There may also
be a number of other "life limited" items for part 135 which can be
ignored for us GA types.
Not a thing wrong with running an engine past TBO, but I'd suggest
looking at things with more detail as the hours tick by. Might begin
doing those oil analysis every oil change, doing a more carefull look at
exhaust systems during pre-flight (look for flange blow by), and general
engine condition.
happy flying
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Todd:
If you fly as a private pilot (not for hire or profit) you do not have to
overhaul the engines, by law, just because they have reached TBO. Some
Lycoming 032E2D engines run well past 3,000 hours with a 2,000 TBO. Your AP
mechanic or IA is usually the one who gives the thumbs up or thumbs down at
annual inspection time. His decision will most likely me made on a
compression test, and oil pressure.
Please note that some of us have an insurance requirement that the engines
must be overhauled at TBO. We just pulled the engines in my 680F(p) which
have IGSO540-B1A engines. These engines have the shortest TBO of all the
engines at only 1,100 hrs. They were within 20 hours of TBO, with a top
overhaul at about 600 hrs. This is pretty good, considering that the major
overhaul was in 1981, and the plane set idle a lot before I purchased it.
Several of the cylinders had been replaced, one at a time in the last three
years.
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net> |
Moe,
Another component of TBO is years. If you are flying for hire, Part 135,
you must overhaul the engines at 12 years regardless of time on the engines.
It is a which ever comes first.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
This is pretty good, considering that the major
overhaul was in 1981, and the plane set idle a lot before I purchased it.
Several of the cylinders had been replaced, one at a time in the last three
years.
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/12/03 15:21:40 Pacific Standard Time,
winddancer(at)centurytel.net writes:
> If you are flying for hire, Part 135,
> you must overhaul the engines at 12 years regardless of time on the
> engines.
> It is a which ever comes first.
>
I operated Part 135 since 1995, but back then, that particular requirement
was because Lycoming has a mandatory service bulletin saying o/h at 12 years
if the TBO is not up yet.
Air Carriers must comply with ALL mandatory SBs. Not sure if Continental
has the same requirement, but I'd be shocked if they didn't.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/12/03 15:49:03 Pacific Standard Time, todd(at)inpnet.org
writes:
> The other nice thing - this stuff costs the same as the automotive stuff.
>
If Dennis Polito is lurking, he may surface and tell you about meeting the
AvABlend guys at Oshkosh one year.
If I remember the story correctly, they copped to the fact that it was the
automotive stuff but because it went into airplanes, well, you know ...
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Cont. is the same
HM
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GSO-480 TBO
In a message dated 02/12/03 15:21:40 Pacific Standard Time,
winddancer(at)centurytel.net writes:
> If you are flying for hire, Part 135,
> you must overhaul the engines at 12 years regardless of time on the
> engines.
> It is a which ever comes first.
>
I operated Part 135 since 1995, but back then, that particular requirement
was because Lycoming has a mandatory service bulletin saying o/h at 12 years
if the TBO is not up yet.
Air Carriers must comply with ALL mandatory SBs. Not sure if Continental
has the same requirement, but I'd be shocked if they didn't.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
Hi All,
A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
If one were taking off on a grass strip 2,200 feet ASL, 1,000 yards long, light
to no wind, 30 degrees C (whatever that is in F), full fuel, 4 adults on board...
Would the pilot use flap, and how much?
At what speed would the pilot rotate?
What is best rate of climb speed?
What is best angle of climb speed?
Max cruise around 200 mph?
Getting down, now - same strip and conditions...
What is the Red Line speed?
What is the best descent speed?
What is max gear extension speed?
What would my Downwind Leg speed be? At what RPM and Manifold Pressure?
Base Leg speed, and rate of descent? (500 fpm?)
Final approach speed?
How much flap? (55 degrees is max?)
Much appreciated!
Regards,
Andrew.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis Polito" <cloudhopper(at)attbi.com> |
Keith:
How right you are regarding Avblend.
Several years ago at OSH the Avblend rep copped out to the fact that Avblend
with the pretty purple dye is the very same product found in the plain
vanilla "Lenkite" can. The only difference being the dye, the cost and the
blessing of the feds.
Kas Thomas of TBO Adviser put me on to this a while back.
Note that the oil capacity of say an IO-540 requires two cans of the stuff.
Now this is what I have been told, I wouldn't know first hand of the
suitability of non approved non purple Avblend (Lenkite) for usage in
anything other than lawn mower engines.
That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AvBlend FYI
>
> In a message dated 02/12/03 15:49:03 Pacific Standard Time,
todd(at)inpnet.org
> writes:
>
>
> > The other nice thing - this stuff costs the same as the automotive
stuff.
> >
>
> If Dennis Polito is lurking, he may surface and tell you about meeting the
> AvABlend guys at Oshkosh one year.
>
> If I remember the story correctly, they copped to the fact that it was the
> automotive stuff but because it went into airplanes, well, you know ...
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
This ought to be fun!
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
>
> Hi All,
>
> A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
>
> If one were taking off on a grass strip 2,200 feet ASL, 1,000 yards long,
light to no wind, 30 degrees C (whatever that is in F), full fuel, 4 adults
on board...
>
> Would the pilot use flap, and how much?
> At what speed would the pilot rotate?
> What is best rate of climb speed?
> What is best angle of climb speed?
> Max cruise around 200 mph?
>
>
> Getting down, now - same strip and conditions...
> What is the Red Line speed?
> What is the best descent speed?
> What is max gear extension speed?
> What would my Downwind Leg speed be? At what RPM and Manifold Pressure?
> Base Leg speed, and rate of descent? (500 fpm?)
> Final approach speed?
> How much flap? (55 degrees is max?)
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Shrike Commander Performance Specs |
Chris,
Sorry I am late getting back to you. My ex-son-in-law's father was killed in
a 210 last Wed. I flew him down to Brownsville and stayed with the family to
help. By the Time I got back I had almost 200 emails to go through, haven't
gotten through them yet. To answer your question one of the other pictures
has the short nose and is really more original. The one you picked is my
favorite but it has the long nose.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris
Wall
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shrike Commander Performance Specs
Tylor,
The 560F had the IGO-540 not a GSO-540.
Chris S. A link to the timeline you created has been added to the aircraft
models page. Thanks for the reminder. There are still a few things that
have not been switched over. We are trying to get to it all and will
eventually it is just a matter of time.
The photos section will be update during this week to include all of the
photos from the old page and some new photos.
Jim A. I put up several pictures of your 500A. 2 in the speedline picture
gallery and one in the compare aircraft section. I picked the picture of
the plane in the yellow flowers. Is this a good picture to represent the
500A or should I pick one of the original ones?
Chris
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Tylor Hall" <winddancer(at)centurytel.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:51:57 -0700
>
>Bow,
>I stand corrected. The 500A and the 500B were both introduced in 1960.
The
>difference was the engines and props. The 500A has the IO-470 with two
>bladed props and the 500B has the IO-540 with three bladed props. Also in
>1960 they introduced the 680F with the IGSO-540 and in 1961 the 560F with
>GSO-540. From a distance, all are identical in appearance with the
seedline
>flat nacelles until you get up close.
>
>This is probably more information that Andrew wanted to know.
>
>"It was a dark and stormy night as I flew my trusty Aero Commander 500S
>(500A, B, U, 680F, 560F) around the thunder storms to deliver the mail."
Is
>that how it begins?
>
>Milt likes his 685, which goes higher, farther, faster, and with more
>comfort (more seats, A/C and Pressurization).
>
>Regards,
>Tylor Hall
>Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
>2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
>970-731-2127
>
>
>Tylor,
>
>You better think twice before you look for a ride in any of the 500A's on
>this list.
>
>bilbo
>N78379
>500A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
In a message dated 02/13/03 18:57:24 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
Andrew,
I must have missed an earlier post. Are you writing a novel, or are you
really going to do this flight? !!??!
If this is a swash buckling adventure story and the heroes are in a Shrike,
being chased by natives with spears, revolutionaries with guns or the angry
parents of all the daughters from the local village, we can come up with some
numbers.
If this is really going to take place, I'd rather see you in a 680-E. (With
Clevelands!)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | AC-520 Performance Request |
Commander 520 Guys,
Milton Shupe and his simulation crew are in need of some real world AC-520
performance.
What are you seeing for cruise climb; Indicated speed and rate of climb?
Best rate of climb (Vy) r.o.c.?
Anyone happen to time themselves to accelerate to Vmc? Time to Vr?
You can reply to the list, or, to Milton's address: jomas(at)leaco.net
A few of us have seen the graphics for the Flight Simulator modules they're
building. "Wow! " is what comes to mind ...
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-520 Performance Request |
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Performance Request
>
> Commander 520 Guys,
>
> Milton Shupe and his simulation crew are in need of some real world AC-520
> performance.
>
> What are you seeing for cruise climb; Indicated speed and rate of climb?
130 mph and 1100 fpm
>
> Best rate of climb (Vy) r.o.c.?
>
1600 fpm
> Anyone happen to time themselves to accelerate to Vmc? Time to Vr?
>
real quick ( < 6 sec)
> You can reply to the list, or, to Milton's address: jomas(at)leaco.net
>
> A few of us have seen the graphics for the Flight Simulator modules
they're
> building. "Wow! " is what comes to mind ...
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
Now that made me chuckle this early in the morning (6 am in Alberta)...
I am writing a novel, but there are no angry natives with spears. I do
reference a Shrike a couple of times in the story - and was advised by a
couple of people who are helping me with it to get a bit more specific about
the Shrike's performance.
Thanks for all of you with your help so far...
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
>
> In a message dated 02/13/03 18:57:24 Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
>
> > > A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
>
> Andrew,
>
> I must have missed an earlier post. Are you writing a novel, or are you
> really going to do this flight? !!??!
>
> If this is a swash buckling adventure story and the heroes are in a
Shrike,
> being chased by natives with spears, revolutionaries with guns or the
angry
> parents of all the daughters from the local village, we can come up with
some
> numbers.
>
> If this is really going to take place, I'd rather see you in a 680-E.
(With
> Clevelands!)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
Dear Wing Commander Gordon,
I am a bit confused at your advice that you would rather see the hero(/) in a
680E with Clevelands. I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
680E. Stopping the 680E should take less distance, as it should be
substantially lighter that the 680F(p). Under the circumstances described my
680F(p) would be very near max gross (8,000 lbs).
Also, does deicing boots degrade the performance of an Aero Commander very
much? It appears that the leading edges of my plane (with boots) has a
slightly different shape than the ones without boots.
Thanks for your expert council
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Fellow Commander Drivers:
A few weeks ago there was quite a bit of discussion about Fuel Flow gages.
There was some very good advice about calibration from Wing Commander Gordon,
and some speculation about price from others.
I can now speak with authority on price only.
Rebuild senders $490.00 each, and rebuild gage (my unit had a bad inverter)
$990.00, for a total of $2,000.00 (more or less).
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
In a message dated 02/14/03 07:08:35 Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
writes:
> I am a bit confused at your advice that you would rather see the hero(/) in
> a
> 680E with Clevelands. I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
>
> 680E. Stopping the 680E should take less distance, as it should be
> substantially lighter that the 680F(p). Under the circumstances described
> my
> 680F(p) would be very near max gross (8,000 lbs).
Moe,
I just was waiting for the -F guys to come at ME with spears!
You are right, Moe: it was the weight / landing aspect that made me suggest
an -E.
But, under certain circumstances, an -F is just as good, maybe better. Lord
knows I've done things with a -F that won't be discussed in polite company.
(I suppose if I were a missionary, it would have been OK.)
I did teach one fellow how to operate his 680-FP off 1700', but that was in a
lower elevation and in a cool climate with a drop-off to a long lake for an
escape route. Those are my credentials as a big fan of the 680F and -FP
series.
Now back to business ... since I don't have any Shrike manuals, do any of you
500-S operators have the charts that can generate answers for our intrepid
adventure writer?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
In a message dated 2/14/03 7:08:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
writes:
> I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
>
> 680E.
HEY MOE. Nice try. Those rickety old cantacorious IGSO-540s only made
380hp for one day, the day they were new. After that, it was a steady decay.
And then there is the sound of the 680E through those great
augmenters. No, I think the hero should have a 680E all right, painted
white, with red and gold trim.
It should have winglets to. It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done in
charcoal leather and.............. :-). jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
In a message dated 02/14/03 07:08:35 Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
writes:
> Also, does deicing boots degrade the performance of an Aero Commander very
> much? It appears that the leading edges of my plane (with boots) has a
> slightly different shape than the ones without boots.
Moe,
Forgot this part of you post. I don't know. As I recall, every 680-F
series I've flown has had boots, so I can't judge.
Instinct says that boots will degrade a clean (as in flight test) leading
edge performance characteristic.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
In a message dated 02/14/03 09:09:01 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
> It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
> propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done
> in
> charcoal leather and.............. :-).
.... and he should have a pet iguana?
WCG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
Jim do you still need the large air vents
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
In a message dated 2/14/03 7:08:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
writes:
> I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than the
>
> 680E.
HEY MOE. Nice try. Those rickety old cantacorious IGSO-540s only made
380hp for one day, the day they were new. After that, it was a steady decay.
And then there is the sound of the 680E through those great
augmenters. No, I think the hero should have a 680E all right, painted
white, with red and gold trim.
It should have winglets to. It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done in
charcoal leather and.............. :-). jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds / chat
|
| In a message dated 02/14/03 09:09:01 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
| writes:
|
|
| > It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
| > propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done
| > in
| > charcoal leather and.............. :-).
|
|
| .... and he should have a pet iguana?
|
| WCG
...........and two dogs, a parrot, few more Iguanas 'in transit' and, most
importantly...........a lovely wife!!!
BJC (UK)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> .... and he should have a pet iguana?
Yea!! Thats the ticket!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:31:47 AM Pacific Standard Time,
avtec2(at)bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Jim do you still need the large air vents
> Harry
> ----- Original
YES!! Gold anodized, I need 4 of them. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds / chat |
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:58:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> ...........and two dogs, a parrot, few more Iguanas 'in transit' and, most
> importantly...........a lovely wife!!!
Wife yes, stinking dogs and smelly parrot, NO!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | NEW MWMBWES/NICE FLIGHT |
HI KIDS. Allow me to introduce a some new members to the TCFG These came
over the Internet thanks to Dan and Chris placing the application online
THANKS!!
First is Dan Farmer. Dan lives in Colorado Springs and is looking to
buy his first Commander.
Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a
gourgious 560 that he has completely restored. I plan to use it a a
"Commander of the Quarter" on the weebsite soon, so check it out.
Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN. John owns and flies a
690B that he uses in his law practice. I had a nice conversation with John
on the phone (we are both former Duke owners). He really loves his new 690.
Welcome all!!
Flew triple 2 to Arlington yesterday. I had great intentions of
seeing the new TCFG guys at AirMatrix, then stopping at TCAC. Then to
Bremerton to look at the wrecked 680 there and finally to Olympia, our state
capitol, to testify in front of the state senate transportation subcommittee.
Well, I made it to AirMatrx. I had so much fun I overstayed, had
lunch and crawled all over their beautiful 560A I had seen this airplane
parked in CA when I was shopping for a project. It was a pretty nice
airplane then, it is spectacular now. I cant list all they have done, but ut
truly is as close to a true "Renassaunse" as I have seen on a bath tub
Commander. The engines have been "0"es. new props, wiring windows paint etc,
etc. The quality of the work is firs rate. It warms my heart to see these
old bathtubs coming back to life.
Anyway Filed IFR (it was good VFR) but for whatever reason the
transponder would not wake up, so they would not give me a clearance. About
1/2 way there, it woke up and worked fine the rest of the day?? (I have a
brand new Becker TXP waiting to be installed) Had a great ride up there 32
X 2600 + 207 MPH @ 6500. From Arlington, I went direct, dodging all the
"Temporary" (for a year and a half) restricted areas to Olympia. The hearing
started at 3:30, but I didn't get to speak until 6. Flew home in the dark,
same power, 202MPH @ 5500. It was a wonderful night to fly. Just enough
weather to be interesting, but never placed the outcome in doubt. Flew a
practice LOC into Arlington and a practice ILS into OLY.
There are a couple of Commanders at OLY. A 680F with IO-720s
installed and a 690. Both are used for aerial pix.
Total flying time was 2.2 It would have taken over 10 to have driven
it. I felt so great to be sitting there, looking at the wonderful view, and
down on all the rows of bumper to bumper traffic while sliding smoothly along
a 200+ MPH!!
Hope you had a great day in "Commanderland" as well. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | Shrike Speeds / chat |
And at least three or four Mile-High Pins on the Sun Visor!
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds / chat
In a message dated 2/14/03 9:21:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> .... and he should have a pet iguana?
Yea!! Thats the ticket!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
I do but after $2000 on radio repair and an other $2000 on heater repairs
plus prop repairs I can't afford it right now. Hope to in two or three
months.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry
Merritt
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
Jim do you still need the large air vents
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
In a message dated 2/14/03 7:08:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
writes:
> I thought the 680F or 680F(p), with the 380 HP
> engines, would have better take off performance from a short strip than
the
>
> 680E.
HEY MOE. Nice try. Those rickety old cantacorious IGSO-540s only made
380hp for one day, the day they were new. After that, it was a steady
decay.
And then there is the sound of the 680E through those great
augmenters. No, I think the hero should have a 680E all right, painted
white, with red and gold trim.
It should have winglets to. It also must have the "heavy Hartzell"
propeller mod with the big spinners. I think the interior should be done
in
charcoal leather and.............. :-). jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Speeds |
Andrew,
I am surprised that a mess of replies have not been generated by your
request.
One point I'll make is that everybody seems to have their own variations on
"standardized" techniques for executing any procedure so maybe that's why no
one has responded unless they Emailed you directly.
If you still need info by Sunday post another request and I'll send you some
data.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Speeds
>
> Hi All,
>
> A bit more info on the Shrike for my story please...
>
> If one were taking off on a grass strip 2,200 feet ASL, 1,000 yards long,
light to no wind, 30 degrees C (whatever that is in F), full fuel, 4 adults
on board...
>
> Would the pilot use flap, and how much?
> At what speed would the pilot rotate?
> What is best rate of climb speed?
> What is best angle of climb speed?
> Max cruise around 200 mph?
>
>
> Getting down, now - same strip and conditions...
> What is the Red Line speed?
> What is the best descent speed?
> What is max gear extension speed?
> What would my Downwind Leg speed be? At what RPM and Manifold Pressure?
> Base Leg speed, and rate of descent? (500 fpm?)
> Final approach speed?
> How much flap? (55 degrees is max?)
>
> Much appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Flight Control Balance |
Dose anyone know how to measure/calculate the static balance of the
flight controls on the older Aero Commanders (520, 560, etc.) The manual
only gives percentage figures, i.e., elevator is balance at 70%, ruder
is balanced at 80%. How can we ensure that our flight controls are
properly balanced. Twin Commander doesn't have a clue.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Flight Control Balance |
In a message dated 2/14/03 6:20:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
billw@air-matrix.com writes:
> Twin Commander doesn't have a clue.
We don't ether, it is a guess at best. The good news is that there has never
been any instance of flutter in any Commander. Good luck jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT |
Hi All,
Capt JimBob - Do 'we' have a serial numbers?
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: NEW MWMBWES/NICE FLIGHT
|
| HI KIDS. Allow me to introduce a some new members to the TCFG These came
| over the Internet thanks to Dan and Chris placing the application online
| THANKS!!
| First is Dan Farmer. Dan lives in Colorado Springs and is looking to
| buy his first Commander.
| Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a
| gourgious 560 that he has completely restored. I plan to use it a a
| "Commander of the Quarter" on the weebsite soon, so check it out.
| Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN. John owns and flies a
| 690B that he uses in his law practice. I had a nice conversation with John
| on the phone (we are both former Duke owners). He really loves his new 690.
| Welcome all!!
| Flew triple 2 to Arlington yesterday. I had great intentions of
| seeing the new TCFG guys at AirMatrix, then stopping at TCAC. Then to
| Bremerton to look at the wrecked 680 there and finally to Olympia, our state
| capitol, to testify in front of the state senate transportation subcommittee.
|
| Well, I made it to AirMatrx. I had so much fun I overstayed, had
| lunch and crawled all over their beautiful 560A I had seen this airplane
| parked in CA when I was shopping for a project. It was a pretty nice
| airplane then, it is spectacular now. I cant list all they have done, but ut
| truly is as close to a true "Renassaunse" as I have seen on a bath tub
| Commander. The engines have been "0"es. new props, wiring windows paint etc,
| etc. The quality of the work is firs rate. It warms my heart to see these
| old bathtubs coming back to life.
| Anyway Filed IFR (it was good VFR) but for whatever reason the
| transponder would not wake up, so they would not give me a clearance. About
| 1/2 way there, it woke up and worked fine the rest of the day?? (I have a
| brand new Becker TXP waiting to be installed) Had a great ride up there 32
| X 2600 + 207 MPH @ 6500. From Arlington, I went direct, dodging all the
| "Temporary" (for a year and a half) restricted areas to Olympia. The hearing
| started at 3:30, but I didn't get to speak until 6. Flew home in the dark,
| same power, 202MPH @ 5500. It was a wonderful night to fly. Just enough
| weather to be interesting, but never placed the outcome in doubt. Flew a
| practice LOC into Arlington and a practice ILS into OLY.
| There are a couple of Commanders at OLY. A 680F with IO-720s
| installed and a 690. Both are used for aerial pix.
| Total flying time was 2.2 It would have taken over 10 to have driven
| it. I felt so great to be sitting there, looking at the wonderful view, and
| down on all the rows of bumper to bumper traffic while sliding smoothly along
| a 200+ MPH!!
| Hope you had a great day in "Commanderland" as well. jb
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT |
In a message dated 2/15/03 7:03:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> Capt JimBob - Do 'we' have a serial numbers?
>
Uh, no. But I think I can get them. I am hoping the owners will join our
group!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT |
Ah! I meant the two owners who did join!
1. "Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a gorgeous 560
that he has completely restored. I plan to use it as a "Commander of the
Quarter" on the website soon, so check it out."
2. "Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN."
If no s/n, an 'N' number?
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT
|
| In a message dated 2/15/03 7:03:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
|
| > Capt JimBob - Do 'we' have a serial numbers?
| >
|
| Uh, no. But I think I can get them. I am hoping the owners will join our
| group!! jb
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Hi all,
More info, please...
Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and Zimbabwe.
I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
Thanks,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Now that you asked that question, Andrew, it reminded me of a flight to
Ladysmith, Natal, one day to visit my parents taking some of the family with
us. Because of skydiving and other activities around the airport that
Saturday morning, I smartly transmitted from far out, approaching the
airport, downwind, base and finals on the unmanned frequency, which was
either 126.7 or 127.6, the other being the airlines' frequency above FL180.
It sounded funny to me that the airlines would chatter on the unmanned
frequency but who am I to tell those boys what they could and couldn't do.
The flight ended without incident, but after I shut down and cleaned up the
cockpit, strapping the belts in and picking stuff up that the pax usually
leave, a guy walked up to me and asked whether I had radio problems. Nope, I
said, except that it was rather odd that the airlines would chatter on this
frequency. It dawned on me the instant that I repeated it out load, that I
was not very smart in not connecting the dots.
So, although I didn't really help you with the exact frequency, this might
put you in the "50 / 50" category. Perhaps better than that, because my
recollection favors 127.6 as the unmanned frequency, but I cannot be sure
now.
I definitely don't know what it is today.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe
>
> Hi all,
>
> More info, please...
>
> Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
Zimbabwe.
>
> I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Dankie Nico,
I just received another e-mail saying that SA was 120.7
Apparently this guy has the old SA RT procedure for pilots from 1972.
The setting for the book is late sixties to late eighties, so this could
work.
Unfortunately it does not have the Rhodesian unmanned frequency.
Regards,
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
Zimbabwe
>
> Now that you asked that question, Andrew, it reminded me of a flight to
> Ladysmith, Natal, one day to visit my parents taking some of the family
with
> us. Because of skydiving and other activities around the airport that
> Saturday morning, I smartly transmitted from far out, approaching the
> airport, downwind, base and finals on the unmanned frequency, which was
> either 126.7 or 127.6, the other being the airlines' frequency above
FL180.
> It sounded funny to me that the airlines would chatter on the unmanned
> frequency but who am I to tell those boys what they could and couldn't do.
> The flight ended without incident, but after I shut down and cleaned up
the
> cockpit, strapping the belts in and picking stuff up that the pax usually
> leave, a guy walked up to me and asked whether I had radio problems. Nope,
I
> said, except that it was rather odd that the airlines would chatter on
this
> frequency. It dawned on me the instant that I repeated it out load, that
I
> was not very smart in not connecting the dots.
> So, although I didn't really help you with the exact frequency, this might
> put you in the "50 / 50" category. Perhaps better than that, because my
> recollection favors 127.6 as the unmanned frequency, but I cannot be sure
> now.
> I definitely don't know what it is today.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe
>
>
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > More info, please...
> >
> > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
> Zimbabwe.
> >
> > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
OK. I will accept that. 120.7 sounds right. See, I really was off the mark
that day :-)
Nico
I tried to find something about it on the Internet and came across this cool
site: http://www.thundercity.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
Zimbabwe
>
> Dankie Nico,
>
> I just received another e-mail saying that SA was 120.7
>
> Apparently this guy has the old SA RT procedure for pilots from 1972.
>
> The setting for the book is late sixties to late eighties, so this could
> work.
>
> Unfortunately it does not have the Rhodesian unmanned frequency.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
> Zimbabwe
>
>
>
> >
> > Now that you asked that question, Andrew, it reminded me of a flight to
> > Ladysmith, Natal, one day to visit my parents taking some of the family
> with
> > us. Because of skydiving and other activities around the airport that
> > Saturday morning, I smartly transmitted from far out, approaching the
> > airport, downwind, base and finals on the unmanned frequency, which was
> > either 126.7 or 127.6, the other being the airlines' frequency above
> FL180.
> > It sounded funny to me that the airlines would chatter on the unmanned
> > frequency but who am I to tell those boys what they could and couldn't
do.
> > The flight ended without incident, but after I shut down and cleaned up
> the
> > cockpit, strapping the belts in and picking stuff up that the pax
usually
> > leave, a guy walked up to me and asked whether I had radio problems.
Nope,
> I
> > said, except that it was rather odd that the airlines would chatter on
> this
> > frequency. It dawned on me the instant that I repeated it out load,
that
> I
> > was not very smart in not connecting the dots.
> > So, although I didn't really help you with the exact frequency, this
might
> > put you in the "50 / 50" category. Perhaps better than that, because my
> > recollection favors 127.6 as the unmanned frequency, but I cannot be
sure
> > now.
> > I definitely don't know what it is today.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
Zimbabwe
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > More info, please...
> > >
> > > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa
and
> > Zimbabwe.
> > >
> > > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready |
Milton,
Finally got it loaded and working
Thanks.
Flew it for about an hour. Never flew a 520 but did own the 2nd 560 ever
made and flew it just like the 560. Flew just like it should. My 560 was a
520 taken off the production line and converted with 10 more HP per side and
a slanted tail.
The things I really liked:
Climb and cruise at the power settings were exactly as they should be.
Attitude on approach at various flap settings as was glide path and rate of
descent.
Attitude and action during power on and power off stalls with and without
flaps was also realistic.
Engine out operation was realistic seeming to require increased rudder with
increased pitch with the ball and AI reflecting a realistic picture for
conditions until airspeed got very low then it seemed differential thrust
was lost and the aircraft acted as it would in a power off stall.
It trims nicely and flies much more smoothly and is more responsive than the
Microsoft planes or other down loads.
Did not fly IFR or approaches yet.
Possible areas for improvement.
It (in my opinion) should accelerate more quickly on the takeoff roll by
about 20-25% and is using about the same amount of excess runway for
takeoff.
The airspeed indicator and OBS numbers are a little fuzzy.
Are all the switches that generate a little hand supposed to work?
I could not get the mag switches, start buttons, to respond and could not
generate fuel flow with the prime switches.
Overall a stunningly marvelous job. It is already my favorite sim plane.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Shupe" <jomas(at)leaco.net>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready
> Hi Milt, :-)
>
> You bet... see the attached graphical instruction.
>
> The aircraft is contained in the AC520v1 folder. It's contents are shown
in
> the attached. Put that whole folder in the FS2002/Aircraft folder.
>
> The ST_500.cab file contains all the gauges and radios for all 8 panels
for
> the Commander series. Copy/Paste that file to the FS2002/Gauges folder.
>
> Let me know how it goes please.
>
> Milton
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> To: "Milton Shupe"
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready
>
>
> > HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Milton,
> > I am somewhat computer illiterate.
> > Can you give me a little bit more specific directions on how to get this
> > into flightsim. I have copied an pasted till I am blue in the face and
> have
> > commander files in just about every aircraft in flightsim.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Milton Shupe" <jomas(at)leaco.net>
> > To: "Todd Hindmarsh" ; ; "Clayton
T
> > Dopke" ; "Bruce Campbell"
> ;
> > "Didier Keller" ; "Frits Abbing"
> > ; "Glenn Davy" ; "Joe
Sumrall"
> > ; "Milt Concannon" ;
> "SCOTT
> > THOMAS" ; "Tim Westnutt" ;
"Tom
> > Kinnaird"
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:26 AM
> > Subject: Aero Commander 520 Beta Ready
> >
> >
> > > Gentlemen,
> > >
> > > Most of you have not yet responded to my original message. If you do
> not
> > > wish to particpate in the beta, that's okay .... just enjoy the AC520
as
> > you
> > > have time. If you wish to provide feedback, great, but don't feel
> > > obligated.
> > >
> > > The beta package is ready for download.
> > >
> > > There are two zips; one is the aircraft folder, one is the gauges .cab
> > file.
> > >
> > > Download both.
> > >
> > > The AC520v1.zip can be unzipped to a temporary folder and cut/pasted
> into
> > > your FS2002/Aircraft folder.
> > >
> > > The ST_500.cab once downloaded MUST BE placed UNDISTURBED in your
> > > FS2002/Gauges folder. Do NOT unzip it.
> > >
> > > There are no textures other than basic chrome and paint. These will
> come
> > > later.
> > >
> > > The documentation is not ready, however the basic performance data is
> > there.
> > > Hand-flying is easy but panel doc can be found in the Documentation
> > folder.
> > >
> > > Flight dynamics are in the ballpark. Use +1-2 degree pitch trim for
> > > takeoff. Normal cruise will likely be with -2-3 degree pitch trim.
You
> > > will find it's always good to keep power on in approach, likely 18-22
MP
> > to
> > > maintain your descent rates.
> > >
> > > All I ask is that you provide enough information in your feedback so
> that
> > I
> > > may duplicate your results. Be frank, specific, and thorough.
> > >
> > > Thank you and ... Have fun. :-)
> > >
> > > http://www.flightsimonline.com/actemp/AC520v1.zip
> > >
> > > http://www.flightsimonline.com/actemp/ST_500.cab
> > >
> > > Milton Shupe
> > >
> > >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Clearly there are going to be savages and spears in this story.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe
>
> Hi all,
>
> More info, please...
>
> Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
Zimbabwe.
>
> I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AC520 Strobes |
The pilot in those photos looks like the Wing Commander in his younger days.
Can't figure out who the skinny shit is in the right seat. Too tall to be
Jimbob and to ugly to be me. Too handsome to be Crunk or Jet Paul. Not smart
enough looking to be Schuerman. No beer can so it is not Big Al. That pretty
much narrows it down to Nico, Tyler, or Barry H. But it probably ain't Barry
H because I do not see the hammer sickle insignia of communism on his shirt
pocket.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Milton Shupe" <jomas(at)leaco.net>
; "Milt Concannon"
Subject: AC520 Strobes
> Gentlemen,
>
> Do you know if the early 520's had strobe lights, and if so, what their
> location was?
>
> I cannot see strobes in any early pictures. I'm thinking there were no
> strobes in those days. lol
>
> Here are a few pics to share.
>
>
> Milton Shupe
> The Flight Simulation Commander Project
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Now, if I told you, I'd be giving the story away! But, yes, you guessed it -
the setting is Southern Africa.
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
Zimbabwe
>
> Clearly there are going to be savages and spears in this story.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe
>
>
>
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > More info, please...
> >
> > Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
> Zimbabwe.
> >
> > I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andrew
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies / chat |
In a message dated 02/15/03 11:33:46 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> I definitely don't know what it is today.
Grab hold of yourself, Man! It's Saturday.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and |
Zimbabwe
Andrew,
I don't quite know what you mean by "unmanned frequencies", but there is a
common communication frequency used throughout Africa by airlines, etc.,
it is formalised by ICAO, it is in the Jep Africa section, from memory it
is 120.7, but please check, I haven't been to Harare for several years, and
I am not at home, so I can't look up my World Wide Text.
In addition, there is 123.45 and the standard low level equivalent ( 128.95
???? but check, again it is a while) for pilot to pilot, but the "common
frequency" is the most useful.
If you have HF, and need long range comms/Info, talk to Afretair in Harare,
they even make restaurant booking for me if I am running late on a
Saturday, and don't get to fussed about "contracts and charges".
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>More info, please...
>
>Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
>Zimbabwe.
>
>I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
>
>Thanks,
>Andrew
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies / chat |
You're right. What was I thinking!
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies / chat
>
> In a message dated 02/15/03 11:33:46 Pacific Standard Time,
> nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
>
> > I definitely don't know what it is today.
>
> Grab hold of yourself, Man! It's Saturday.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Thanks, Bill.
The unmanned frequency is just as you describe - when one is landing at an
uncontrolled strip one turns to that frequency and calls one's position.
I thought South Africa was 120.7 and Zimbabwe was 118.7 - when you get home,
could you please check and let me know? Thanks.
Regards,
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
Zimbabwe
>
> Andrew,
> I don't quite know what you mean by "unmanned frequencies", but there is a
> common communication frequency used throughout Africa by airlines, etc.,
> it is formalised by ICAO, it is in the Jep Africa section, from memory it
> is 120.7, but please check, I haven't been to Harare for several years,
and
> I am not at home, so I can't look up my World Wide Text.
> In addition, there is 123.45 and the standard low level equivalent (
128.95
> ???? but check, again it is a while) for pilot to pilot, but the "common
> frequency" is the most useful.
> If you have HF, and need long range comms/Info, talk to Afretair in
Harare,
> they even make restaurant booking for me if I am running late on a
> Saturday, and don't get to fussed about "contracts and charges".
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> >
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >More info, please...
> >
> >Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
> >Zimbabwe.
> >
> >I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Andrew
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Emailing: commander |
Your files are attached and ready to send with this message.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and Zimbabwe |
Andrew, 118.7 used to be Harare Tower.
Make the guys call in 126.7 and you won't be far from truth.
They could well be at tree top height, frantically calling in HF, the
trailing antenna fully extended, dragging...
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 2/16/2003 2:55:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> AC520 Strobes
We have Serial # 39, and it did not have strobes, but it did come from the
factory with flashing nav lights. AND THEY STILL WORK?!!!!.
JetPaul
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 2/16/2003 2:55:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
> AC520 Strobes
Oops I should have also said the Nav Light switch is labeled Off-On, and then
a seperate switch right beside it is labeled Flash-Steady.
JetPaul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT |
In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:41:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> 1. "Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a gorgeous
> 560
> that he has completely restored. I plan to use it as a "Commander of the
> Quarter" on the website soon, so check it out."
>
> 2. "Finally We have John Cheadle form Nashville TN."
John Cheadel 690B S/N 11387, N44NC a 1977 MODEL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NEW MEMBERS/NICE FLIGHT |
In a message dated 2/15/2003 9:41:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> 1. "Next is Guy de Naille' form Barcelona Spain. Guy is flying a gorgeous
> 560
> that he has completely restored. I plan to use it as a "Commander of the
> Quarter" on the website soon, so check it out."
iT IS A STRIGHT 560 s/n 366 NO REG #, SORRY. JB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and |
Zimbabwe
Andrew,
The frequency to which I was referring ( 120.7 or 120.9, I will check ASAP)
is a frequency agreed by a number of Southern African states and ICAO and
published in addition to the ICAO standard upper and lower "pilot to pilot"
frequencies.
What I think you want are the frequencies that in common terminologies
would be a "CTAF" frequency, Common Traffic Advisory Frequency, for use
around uncontrolled airfields.
I would not have those frequencies, because I have only being flying larger
aircraft around in the area in recent years. Try a South African DCA web
site, they might have the national AIP on line, or answer the question by
email for both S.A. and further north.
If I find them, I will let you know, an old mate of mine has/had an
interesting non sched. operation out of Charles Prince, the "GA" airfield
for "Salisbury" ( kid you not, the name still features prominently, in
concrete, despite all the years since independence).
You could also try some pilots working for MillionAir at Santa Monica, last
time I was in Lanseria, SA, about 4 years ago, they had a big operation there.
Cheers,
Bill Hamiton.
>
>
>Thanks, Bill.
>
>The unmanned frequency is just as you describe - when one is landing at an
>uncontrolled strip one turns to that frequency and calls one's position.
>
>I thought South Africa was 120.7 and Zimbabwe was 118.7 - when you get home,
>could you please check and let me know? Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Andrew.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Hamilton" <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Unmanned Frequencies in South Africa and
>Zimbabwe
>
>
>
> >
> > Andrew,
> > I don't quite know what you mean by "unmanned frequencies", but there is a
> > common communication frequency used throughout Africa by airlines, etc.,
> > it is formalised by ICAO, it is in the Jep Africa section, from memory it
> > is 120.7, but please check, I haven't been to Harare for several years,
>and
> > I am not at home, so I can't look up my World Wide Text.
> > In addition, there is 123.45 and the standard low level equivalent (
>128.95
> > ???? but check, again it is a while) for pilot to pilot, but the "common
> > frequency" is the most useful.
> > If you have HF, and need long range comms/Info, talk to Afretair in
>Harare,
> > they even make restaurant booking for me if I am running late on a
> > Saturday, and don't get to fussed about "contracts and charges".
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >More info, please...
> > >
> > >Does anybody know what the unmanned frequencies are in South Africa and
> > >Zimbabwe.
> > >
> > >I seem to recall Zimbabwe was 118.7 but I'm not certain.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Andrew
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | DO NOT OPEN meeting notice it is a virus! |
Tom F.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 2 x 680FL for sale |
Hi guys,
I think we know this already, but in case somebody is interested, there are two
former Indonesian Army 680FL's for sale, as follows:
HAVE 2 (TWO) Aero Commander 680 FL & I'M SELLING IT FOR US$30 THOUSAND
(last flight 1997) LOW ENGINE HOURS (LESS THAN 500 FH) or TRADE WITH SINGLE
ENGINE CESSNA / SIMILAR.
ANYBODY NEED SPARES, I CAN DISMANTLE ONE AIRCRAFT FOR REASONABLE PRICE.
I and a few others were advised by:
azzy(at)centrin.net
Barry C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Shrike being parted out |
Hi guys,
If anybody is interested, I've just learned that Global Aircraft Indusries, in
St. Albert, Alberta, Canada, are parting out a 500S Shrike, serial number 3073,
formerly N98TT.
This had an accident at La Porte Municipal airport on May 25th last year (see
NTSB website, report number FTW02LA167).
Contact details are appended below. Photo on their website seems to have
possibly two other Commanders?
Best Regards,
Barry C.
Global Aircraft Industries, Ltd.
Phone 800-561-6448 or 780-458-2801
Fax 780-459-4163
e-mail: sales(at)globalparts.com
www.globalparts.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 x 680FL for sale |
Well...........I would consider one.
I was trying to hold out for a "P" but so far they have been rather pricey
because they have been all decked out with the latest available upgrades.
The low price of an "FL" would offset my desire to have pressurization.
Now for the fulcrum of the deal, a very very small down payment.
The good side is that I do have available cash flow to cover most any
mortgage.
I'm sure there is a chorus of "been there" out there.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: 2 x 680FL for sale
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I think we know this already, but in case somebody is interested, there
are two former Indonesian Army 680FL's for sale, as follows:
>
> HAVE 2 (TWO) Aero Commander 680 FL & I'M SELLING IT FOR US$30 THOUSAND
> (last flight 1997) LOW ENGINE HOURS (LESS THAN 500 FH) or TRADE WITH
SINGLE
> ENGINE CESSNA / SIMILAR.
>
> ANYBODY NEED SPARES, I CAN DISMANTLE ONE AIRCRAFT FOR REASONABLE PRICE.
>
> I and a few others were advised by:
> azzy(at)centrin.net
>
> Barry C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/19/03 |
I Have a 1964 680FLP, Mr RPM for sale!!!
Please call Me 321 267-3141
Harry
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| Subject: | Model 500, s/n 639, N6226B |
Hi Gang,
Does anybody know the Commander referenced in the Subject line?
It appears to be owned by D. Wayne Durham and registered in Easley, North
Carolina.
I'd like to get in touch with him, as his Commander was modified in August 1964
with the "installation of an additional rear window".
Also, his Model 500 seems to be the only one modified under STC SA377SO, whereby
the MTOW was increased to 6,500lb from 6,000lb.
Seems to be a nice machine, with the various 'Shrike' mods also incorporated,
being the tail cone, vertical tip, Miller nose and cockpit overhead windows,
all installed in June 1995.
Thanks!
Barry C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Model 500, s/n 639, N6226B |
Where would the extra window be installed?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Model 500, s/n 639, N6226B
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Does anybody know the Commander referenced in the Subject line?
>
> It appears to be owned by D. Wayne Durham and registered in Easley, North
> Carolina.
>
> I'd like to get in touch with him, as his Commander was modified in August
1964
> with the "installation of an additional rear window".
>
> Also, his Model 500 seems to be the only one modified under STC SA377SO,
whereby
> the MTOW was increased to 6,500lb from 6,000lb.
>
> Seems to be a nice machine, with the various 'Shrike' mods also
incorporated,
> being the tail cone, vertical tip, Miller nose and cockpit overhead
windows,
> all installed in June 1995.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barry C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Operations out of a 3000 ft runway |
This may sound way wimpy, but remember I dont have much of a manual to work
with.
Does anyonew thnk it would be a problem to operate a 520 ( or 560, I
suppose) from a 3000 ft runway? (Port Townsend, WA to be precise). I have no
idea currently whether there are obstacles in the area, but I presume there
will be trees fairly close.
My gut says "go for it" but I'd rather not be wrong.
PS, I would have passengers new to GA, so along with "can it be done" is
"would it be *really* dramatic and scare the Groundlings"?
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Operations out of a 3000 ft runway |
I routinely operate my 500-B at max GW on a 2,700-ft. strip with no
difficulty. There are no obstacles at my airport either, and that would be
something to consider should you lose an engine at rotation.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Operations out of a 3000 ft runway
>
> This may sound way wimpy, but remember I dont have much of a manual to
work
> with.
>
> Does anyonew thnk it would be a problem to operate a 520 ( or 560, I
> suppose) from a 3000 ft runway? (Port Townsend, WA to be precise). I have
no
> idea currently whether there are obstacles in the area, but I presume
there
> will be trees fairly close.
>
> My gut says "go for it" but I'd rather not be wrong.
>
> PS, I would have passengers new to GA, so along with "can it be done" is
> "would it be *really* dramatic and scare the Groundlings"?
>
> Bruce Campbell
> AC52 N4186B
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I am back in the country after delivering the 560F to Panama.
It went pretty well, (except someone stole all three gas caps in Acapulco)
That is a bit of a story, but we made it fine. I plan to write a story about
the trip in the next newsletter.
I am leaving tomorrow for CA to work with Morris for a few days, so if
I don't reply right away, sorry. Hope all is well in your "Commanderland"
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Where in CA will you be?
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: I,M BACK!
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I am back in the country after delivering the 560F to
Panama.
> It went pretty well, (except someone stole all three gas caps in
Acapulco)
> That is a bit of a story, but we made it fine. I plan to write a story
about
> the trip in the next newsletter.
> I am leaving tomorrow for CA to work with Morris for a few days, so
if
> I don't reply right away, sorry. Hope all is well in your "Commanderland"
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Say hello to Morris for me...and please notice the fine gasoline powered tug
that he has. I traded it to Morris for mechanical services on my
680F...still need to collect. I am looking forward to checking out his new
digs in Stockton in the near future.
By the way, I also lost a gas cap on the 680F, and I found (much to my
chagrin...) that a new one cost a mere $600.00. Managed to find a used one
from the folks at Aero Air for $150...what a "steal".
Welcome home from Latin America..!!
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: I,M BACK!
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I am back in the country after delivering the 560F to
Panama.
> It went pretty well, (except someone stole all three gas caps in
Acapulco)
> That is a bit of a story, but we made it fine. I plan to write a story
about
> the trip in the next newsletter.
> I am leaving tomorrow for CA to work with Morris for a few days, so
if
> I don't reply right away, sorry. Hope all is well in your "Commanderland"
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
> I am leaving tomorrow for CA to work with Morris for a few days
Welcome home JB.
Hey, don't know about everyone else, but I'd sure appreciate a Morris
update. I never did hear if "we" managed to help save his shop and
parts collection. Hopefully the loans and support served the intended
purpose.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hey Chris...
I can tell you that Morris was very appreciative of all our effort to help
him out. As I mentioned in my previous post, he needed a tug for his new
hangar, and I just happened to have an "almost new" tug which I traded to
him for services. I had my son's friends drive it up to Stockton just in
time for his first Turbo Commander to arrive for service. His new hangar is
brand new, and even has its own restroom too...that's a big improvement.!!
Hope all is well with you in the heartland.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: I,M BACK!
>
> > I am leaving tomorrow for CA to work with Morris for a few days
>
> Welcome home JB.
> Hey, don't know about everyone else, but I'd sure appreciate a Morris
> update. I never did hear if "we" managed to help save his shop and
> parts collection. Hopefully the loans and support served the intended
> purpose.
>
> chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Operations out of a 3000 ft runway |
Bruce,
I operate my 500A off 2600' of grass all the time. The field elevation is
700' +or- with low trees about 100 feet off the end. I have done the even
with the temp at 100 Deg. This was at max gross. I have the 260 hp Cont
engs. I would start out at a lower gross weight and work up to what you
need.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Subject: Commander-List: Operations out of a 3000 ft runway
This may sound way wimpy, but remember I dont have much of a manual to work
with.
Does anyonew thnk it would be a problem to operate a 520 ( or 560, I
suppose) from a 3000 ft runway? (Port Townsend, WA to be precise). I have no
idea currently whether there are obstacles in the area, but I presume there
will be trees fairly close.
My gut says "go for it" but I'd rather not be wrong.
PS, I would have passengers new to GA, so along with "can it be done" is
"would it be *really* dramatic and scare the Groundlings"?
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
To all 500B drivers out there,
Newbie 500B owner here looking for help with V speeds. Some are pretty clear
on the POH but I'm guessing on others. This is what I've found so far.
Please feel free to correct and comment. BTW, do you rotate at Vmc+5?
Vmc 65
Vx 96?
Vy 103
Vxse 87?
Va 135
Vle 156
Vfe 118, Vfe1/2 130
Vs 68
Vso 59
Vyse 94
Some of you operate these birds out of short strips. Can you take me
through your typical approach? What speeds do you use?
Thanks in advance,
Jimmy Rodriguez
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com> |
JB-
glad to hear all's well and you're back
did the web page help at all? any recommendations?
let me know what your plans are when you're in stockton. We'll have to get together
and hear all about the jungles of Central America
don't worry bout the fuel cap, it's probably sipping margaritas on the beach with
our old one--they just have a way of getting lost in Mexico...
dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Tech: Annual Headache |
Hi Everyone,
I have several Q's so be patient with me. All are for a '58 680.
Capt. JimBob - How much is the No AD Prop change?
Can we get away from the Bell crank AD? If so how much does it cost?
For Harry and/or Morris and/or Tylor:
We need a Tach Generator, and a Generator for the left engine.
Also a DME Antenna.
Our co-pilot Attitude Indicator is starting to act up. Does anyone have one
of those?
Having a prop AD that has to go to the factory, a bell crank AD and a wing
spar AD all at once isn't all that much fun.:-)
Thanks in advance everyone,
Todd
N6229B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tech: Annual Headache |
Jimbob,
Is there enough data over recent years to do away with the timed wing spar
inspections and other onerous ADs?
Milt
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/24/2003 4:04:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> Where in CA will you be?
At the Stockton airport, Commander Services. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/24/2003 4:14:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> By the way, I also lost a gas cap on the 680F, and I found (much to my
> chagrin...) that a new one cost a mere $600.00. Managed to find a used one
> from the folks at Aero Air for $150...what a "steal".
>
> Welcome home from Latin America..!!
>
Thanks, great to be back. I think they steal them from one Commander ad then
sell them to the next poor guy. I will never take my Commander to Mexico.
Come to think of it, i dot care if I ever visit there agin. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Young Life Needs Help with Flights |
Thought someone might be able to help. i will take the PDX run. jb
From: Jay McAlonen <jmcalonen(at)wildhorse.younglife.org>
Subject: Young Life Needs Help with Flights
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:17:06 -0800
Hi fellow pilots,
Young Life needs help flying some adults and kids in and out of Wild Horse
Canyon in the next few months. Please review the list of flights below and
let me know if you are interested in helping.
Wild Horse Canyon to Boeing Field on March 29.
Sacramento to Wild Horse Canyon on July 5th or 6th.
Baker City to Wild Horse Canyon stay for 3 hours and back to Baker City,
anytime this summer.
Portland to Wild Horse Canyon stay for 3 hours and return back to Portland,
anytime this summer.
Remember Young Life is a 501c3 non profit so your flights are all tax
deductible so let me know if you can donate the flights or need to be
reimbursed and if so how much.
Thanks,
Jay McAlonen
W 360 834 3477
Cell 503 320 3333
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:04:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dan(at)worldflight2000.com writes:
> don't worry bout the fuel cap, it's probably sipping margaritas on the beach
> with our old one--they just have a way of getting lost in Mexico...
>
That is what I hear. I am in Stockton now. Come on by!! I will be here all
week. I am staying tonight at the Comfort in, 209983-1177 room 215. XX OO
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tech: Annual Headache |
In a message dated 2/25/2003 2:37:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
todd(at)inpnet.org writes:
> Capt. JimBob - How much is the No AD Prop change?
The STC is $2500. I hear that Harry M has some affordable props?? What
"Bellcrank" AD?? Hang in there, the first annual is always the worst!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hey Panama Jim!
I want to come pick up my airplane tomorrow or Thu. latest.....maybe I can
have some lunch/coffee with you & Morris!
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: panama jim
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 9:04:48 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> dan(at)worldflight2000.com writes:
>
>
> > don't worry bout the fuel cap, it's probably sipping margaritas on the
beach
> > with our old one--they just have a way of getting lost in Mexico...
> >
>
> That is what I hear. I am in Stockton now. Come on by!! I will be here
all
> week. I am staying tonight at the Comfort in, 209983-1177 room 215. XX
OO
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Operations out of a 3000 ft runway |
In a message dated 2/24/2003 11:43:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
baruch(at)intelligentflight.com writes:
> Does anyonew thnk it would be a problem to operate a 520 ( or 560, I
> suppose) from a 3000 ft runway? (Port Townsend, WA to be precise). I have no
> idea currently whether there are obstacles in the area, but I presume there
> will be trees fairly close.
Piece of cake!! The approches are open. Been the in the 680E, easy!! Go
have fun. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:06:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> I want to come pick up my airplane tomorrow or Thu. latest.....maybe I can
> have some lunch/coffee with you & Morris!
Lets do it!! t is done. I watched the gear retract today. They got a nice
fit on the gear doors. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
cool!
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: panama jim
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:06:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
>
>
> > I want to come pick up my airplane tomorrow or Thu. latest.....maybe I
can
> > have some lunch/coffee with you & Morris!
>
> Lets do it!! t is done. I watched the gear retract today. They got a
nice
> fit on the gear doors. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tech: Annual Headache |
I Have
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Todd Hindmarsh
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Tech: Annual Headache
Hi Everyone,
I have several Q's so be patient with me. All are for a '58 680.
Capt. JimBob - How much is the No AD Prop change?
Can we get away from the Bell crank AD? If so how much does it cost?
For Harry and/or Morris and/or Tylor:
We need a Tach Generator, and a Generator for the left engine.
Also a DME Antenna.
Our co-pilot Attitude Indicator is starting to act up. Does anyone have one
of those?
Having a prop AD that has to go to the factory, a bell crank AD and a wing
spar AD all at once isn't all that much fun.:-)
Thanks in advance everyone,
Todd
N6229B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
> I want to come pick up my airplane tomorrow or Thu. latest.....maybe I can
> have some lunch/coffee with you & Morris!
>
> /John
I know Morris, you mean doughnuts.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi Barry,
You came up with 2,680FL for sale and I received also
that message. Are you able to sort out which ones are
here to be looked at?
I am in contact with the guy. You need registration
for that?
Thanks,
Frits Abbing
http://taxes.yahoo.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Tech: Annual Headache |
Thanks JB. What props specifically does the STC require?
What "Bellcrank" AD??
14 CFR Part 39 Aileron Bellcrank Casting
AD 57-09-01
57-09-01 AERO COMMANDER: Applies to All Model 680 Aircraft.
Compliance required not later than the next 3 hours of flight or May 15,
1957, whichever occurs first and at 100-hour intervals thereafter.
As a result of finding cracks in the aileron bellcrank casting in the
vicinity of the aileron push-pull rod attach bolt, the following action is
considered necessary unless already accomplished.
Inspect, using dye penetrant or fluorescent methods, all aileron bellcrank
castings P/N 3510005 on bellcrank assembly P/N 4510004-401 and 402 for
cracks in upper or lower lugs to which the aileron push-pull rod attaches.
Remove rod to make the inspection, replace all castings found defective and
reattach push-pull rod, making certain no clearance exists between casting
lugs and rod-end bearing inner race before tightening bolt. Use shim washers
to eliminate clearance. The 100-hour reinspection of casing P/N 3510005 may
be discontinued upon installation of revised casting under development by
Aero Design. (Aero Design Service Bulletin No. 41, dated April 19, 1957,
provides a sketch of the part and defines the area to be inspected.)
This AD covers the same inspection required by CAA telegraphic instructions
dated April 25, 1957.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tech: Annual Headache |
In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:15:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
todd(at)inpnet.org writes:
> 57-09-01 AERO COMMANDER: Applies to All Model 680 Aircraft.
>
> Compliance required not later than the next 3 hours of flight or May 15,
> 1957, whichever occurs first and at 100-hour intervals thereafter.
>
> As a result of finding cracks in the aileron bellcrank casting in the
> vicinity of the aileron push-pull rod attach bolt, the following action is
> considered necessary unless already accomplished.
>
> Inspect, using dye penetrant or fluorescent methods, all aileron bellcrank
> castings P/N 3510005 on bellcrank assembly P/N 4510004-401 and 402 for
> cracks in upper or lower lugs to which the aileron push-pull rod attaches.
> Remove rod to make the inspection, replace all castings found defective and
> reattach push-pull rod, making certain no clearance exists between casting
> lugs and rod-end bearing inner race before tightening bolt. Use shim washers
> to eliminate clearance. The 100-hour reinspection of casing P/N 3510005 may
> be discontinued upon installation of revised casting under development by
> Aero Design. (Aero Design Service Bulletin No. 41, dated April 19, 1957,
> provides a sketch of the part and defines the area to be inspected.)
>
HI TODD.You must be kidding. Your airplane was never changed?? I suggest
going to a salvage yard and buying a bellcrank, that will end the AD. Yours
is the first and only airplane that I have heard of that has an old belcrank.
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I think my nitrogen gauge is leaking. This one came from Eagle. It was
described as being in "removed" condition, for $150.00. The case has been
opened and the needle is bent. A new one is $600. Does anyone know where
it can be overhauled?
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Bilbo,
Better call Morris. He has found that a gauge from some welding equipment
manufacturer is the exact same item without the internal markings for the
correct nitrogen system pressure.
In externally marked gauge (as in lines on the glass) is often a sign of this
item being employed ...
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Tech: No AD Prop change |
Capt. JB,
Which prop goes with the STC?
Thanks,
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tech: No AD Prop change |
In a message dated 2/27/2003 2:46:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
todd(at)inpnet.org writes:
> Which prop goes with the STC?
HI TODD.
The STC calls for HC B3Z20-2A/10151-8 (R) or 93Z20-2/10151-8 (R) Let
me know if I can help. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Weed Blowers and Cabin Leaks |
Gents:
We will start soon on eliminating as many cabin pressure leaks as possible on
my 680F(p). Some of you have used a leaf blower for this, however, our leaf
blower only puts out about 1/2 lb. pressure. I wonder if this enough to make
a sound that we can find with a stethoscope. Will this push enough air
through seams that we can find leaks using soap and water on the outside?
Any thoughts or past experience will be greatly appreciated.
Thanx!
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Inside Columbia's last minutes |
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that those were their last seconds alive. Their end appears to have been
quick unless NASA edited out the camera's last frames. Who knows.
Nico
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Min. Equipt. List |
Sir Barry:
Thanks much for giving the web address for the Min. Equipment List. Good
Stuff! Wait until I show this to my AP
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Master Minimum Equipment List |
In a message dated 02/28/03 11:47:05 Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> If only one person finds it of interest, I've 'done my bit'.
>
You've done your bit, Sir Barry.
I actually went and looked at these documents for nostalgic reasons.
Interesting to note that the MMELs are still categorized under Gulfstream.
Now with Gulfstream having bought the IAI Astra and Galaxy aircraft family
and redesigning their own products, the formerly IAI Astra, Galaxy,
Gulfstream 4 and 5 are now called the G100, G200, G300, G400 and G500,
respectively.
Do we see room for confusion here?
I was also glad to see pages of the preamble that referenced Boeings, Douglas
and Airbus aircraft. Geee. That's relevant.
But you did us a great service by ferreting this info out.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Sorry to hear about this family tragedy. They are in our prayers.
Nico
3 Survive Mass. Plane Crash; 4 Others Die
The Associated Press
Mar 3 2003 11:00PM
MONTEREY, Mass. (AP) - Rescuers found four plane crash survivors - including
three young boys and their father - in a snowy state forest Monday where
they had endured a night in the bitter cold. Three other family members were
killed when the plane went down the day before, and the father later died in
a hospital.
A state police helicopter combing the mountainous region spotted someone
waving from the crash site at midday Monday. Three were taken out by
helicopter; a fourth was transported by snowmobile.
``I'm totally amazed. They're very, very tough to have made it through the
night,'' said Richard Toman, state police civilian search and rescue
administrator. ``This is the stuff movies are made of.''
Police Sgt. David Paine confirmed three others were killed in Sunday night's
crash. The dead were not immediately identified, but it was believed the
plane was carrying a couple and their five boys, ages 2 to 11.
Ronald Ferris, the father, was taken to Fairview Hospital in Great
Barrington for treatment of hypothermia and cardiac arrest, a hospital
spokeswoman said. He was pronounced dead just before 9 p.m.
Albany Medical Center Hospital said Ryan Ferris, 2, and 5-year-old Jordan
Ferris were being treated for hypothermia. Tyler Ferris, 10, was being
treated for hypothermia and a broken leg. All three boys were in critical
condition.
State Police Lt. Marion McGovern said the plane was found in about 4 feet of
snow with two people trapped inside. It was spotted in Beartown State
Forest, a mountainous area near the Connecticut and New York state lines.
New York state police helicopters had to drop rescuers into the area to
stabilize the survivors before flying them to the hospital, Paine said.
``They were frozen,'' said Peter Berry, a deputy chief of Colonie, N.Y.,
Emergency Medical Services, who was riding in the helicopter.
Temperatures in the mountains were in the single digits early Monday with
gusty 15 mph to 30 mph wind. Search teams on the ground had been fighting
their way through snow up to 4 feet deep.
The single-engine Piper Cherokee Six disappeared on a flight from
Harrisburg, Pa., to an airport near Keene. Flight controllers lost radio
contact with the pilot Sunday evening.
The pilot had reported that he was having problems with icing, said Jim
Peters, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration.
Peters said tapes showed the plane disappeared from radar at an altitude of
about 2,200 feet some 9 miles east of the Great Barrington Airport, while
headed straight for that airport.
Acquaintences said the family from Keene, N.H., owned a car dealership and
were known locally through their radio advertisements, which sometimes
featured the boys' voices.
Peter Dower, an employee at Ferris' used car business in Swanzey, said
Ferris had been piloting a plane carrying his wife and five sons and that
they had been returning from a vacation in Florida.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 |
Wow! what happened to everybody?
Nico
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 |
Everybody is luking and nobody is typing.
bilbo
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/04/03 |
I am so overwhelmed by the amount of time that it is taking to change the
engine, install a new radio stack, and get the FAA to approve my floor seal
modification in the yolk tube area that I no longer feel like a
pilot....started DEC 1st. and it looks like at least two more weeks.
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El Paso,
TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to Acapulco to
spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped the
openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did not
work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux tanks
were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped the
main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap and
an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from his
homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos bottle"
type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that hold
the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just to
make sure, it worked!!
We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9 and
didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the airport.
I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off a
couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He already
speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG member
John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in the
back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's home in
Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the 680FP
All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is well
in your "Commanderland" jb
PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will be
flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the 30th.
Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Captain Jimbob,
If you're flying down to Venezuela, make a point of stopping in San Juan on
your way down. We'll show you around.
Best Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
HI KIDS.
I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El Paso,
TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to Acapulco
to
spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped the
openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did not
work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux tanks
were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped the
main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap and
an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from his
homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos bottle"
type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that hold
the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just to
make sure, it worked!!
We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9 and
didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
airport.
I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off a
couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He already
speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG member
John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in the
back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's home
in
Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the 680FP
All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is well
in your "Commanderland" jb
PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will be
flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the 30th.
Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
Hi there:
If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact me.
I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders around,
particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El
Paso,
> TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to Acapulco
to
> spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped the
> openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did not
> work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux tanks
> were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
> We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
> gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped
the
> main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap
and
> an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
> comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
> borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from his
> homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos
bottle"
> type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that hold
> the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just
to
> make sure, it worked!!
> We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9
and
> didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
airport.
> I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
> I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off a
> couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
> remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
> mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He already
> speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG member
> John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in the
> back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's home
in
> Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the 680FP
> All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
> deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is
well
> in your "Commanderland" jb
>
> PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will
be
> flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the
30th.
> Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net> |
A contact in Venezuela!
Can you do me a BIG BIG favor?
See who currently owns a Dornier Do27-A4, SN-147, last known registry was
4X-AJR, formerly owned by Arnold Reinhard.
The Do27 used the GO-480 engine like the Commanders (but low compression
version).
Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
Thanks
Luc Martini
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
> Hi there:
>
> If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact
me.
> I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders
around,
> particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
>
> 582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
>
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El
> Paso,
> > TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to
Acapulco
> to
> > spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped
the
> > openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did
not
> > work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux
tanks
> > were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
> > We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
> > gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I taped
> the
> > main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the cap
> and
> > an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
> > comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
> > borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from
his
> > homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos
> bottle"
> > type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that
hold
> > the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap just
> to
> > make sure, it worked!!
> > We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in 3.9
> and
> > didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
> airport.
> > I will write a much more detailed story for the next newsletter.
> > I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh off
a
> > couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I can
> > remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent his
> > mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He
already
> > speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG
member
> > John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in
the
> > back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> > Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's
home
> in
> > Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the
680FP
> > All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity to
> > deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all is
> well
> > in your "Commanderland" jb
> >
> > PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I will
> be
> > flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the
> 30th.
> > Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP & the
685?
Tom F.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
Yoda says, "one fifty five gallon drum off the wing per hour" I think.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
> Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
the
> 685?
>
> Tom F.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/5/03 11:05:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
> If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact me.
> I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders around,
> particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
>
Where are you located?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/5/03 3:02:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
martini(at)foxinternet.net writes:
> Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
I cant prommis anything. We plan to make a quick turn, but who knows. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
Yes, I remember reading that posting when that was said, I was sort of
looking for a figure a little tighter with an emphasis on the comparison
between the LYC IGSO540 and the CON ITSOG520.
And while I'm on the subject, does it matter the order of letters describing
the engine layout?
i.e. ITSOG 520 or IGTSO520 or any other order.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
> Yoda says, "one fifty five gallon drum off the wing per hour" I think.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
>
>
> >
> > Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
> the
> > 685?
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
> And while I'm on the subject, does it matter the order of letters
describing
> the engine layout?
> i.e. ITSOG 520 or IGTSO520 or any other order.
Not to me. But thanks for asking.
bilbo
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry, guess I'm bored.
bilbo
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| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
If you have broadband I can scan and send the 685 charts. Basically it is
60gph in the climb and 44-46gph at 65-70% cruise. 20gph in descent.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
> Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
the
> 685?
>
> Tom F.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
Thanks for that, I do not need the charts at this time.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
> If you have broadband I can scan and send the 685 charts. Basically it is
> 60gph in the climb and 44-46gph at 65-70% cruise. 20gph in descent.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685
>
>
>
> >
> > Does anyone have handy the fuel consumption figures between the 680FLP &
> the
> > 685?
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel consumption 680FLP vs 685 |
In a message dated 03/05/03 17:21:48 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Yes, I remember reading that posting when that was said, I was sort of
> looking for a figure a little tighter with an emphasis on the comparison
> between the LYC IGSO540 and the CON ITSOG520.
> And while I'm on the subject, does it matter the order of letters
> describing
> the engine layout?
> i.e. ITSOG 520 or IGTSO520 or any other order.
On. Ti t'neod errattam ta lla, fi uoy t'nod deen ot eb dootsrednu.
Not sure it made it to the new web server, but I posted IGSO-540 fuel graphs
a long time ago.
Don't have any GTSIO-520 fuel specifics around. Maybe those dashing AC-685
operators on this list can come up with some book figures.
Flight plan-wise, 45 gph for the Lycoming, 55 gph for the Continental.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
I would not know how to find that particular one. They are used as
airliners, and the mechanic knows most of them. I will ask for those serials
if he has them. But there are several dorniers around.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
> A contact in Venezuela!
> Can you do me a BIG BIG favor?
> See who currently owns a Dornier Do27-A4, SN-147, last known registry was
> 4X-AJR, formerly owned by Arnold Reinhard.
>
> The Do27 used the GO-480 engine like the Commanders (but low compression
> version).
>
> Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
>
> Thanks
> Luc Martini
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
>
>
> >
> > Hi there:
> >
> > If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact
> me.
> > I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders
> around,
> > particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
> >
> > 582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> >
> >
> > >
> > > HI KIDS.
> > >
> > > I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from El
> > Paso,
> > > TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to
> Acapulco
> > to
> > > spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct taped
> the
> > > openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape did
> not
> > > work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux
> tanks
> > > were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon caps!!)
> > > We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with 20
> > > gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I
taped
> > the
> > > main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the
cap
> > and
> > > an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
> > > comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and we
> > > borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple from
> his
> > > homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos
> > bottle"
> > > type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws that
> hold
> > > the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap
just
> > to
> > > make sure, it worked!!
> > > We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in
3.9
> > and
> > > didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to the
> > airport.
> > > I will write a much more detailed story for the next
newsletter.
> > > I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh
off
> a
> > > couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I
can
> > > remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent
his
> > > mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He
> already
> > > speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG
> member
> > > John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home in
> the
> > > back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> > > Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to it's
> home
> > in
> > > Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the
> 680FP
> > > All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an opportunity
to
> > > deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all
is
> > well
> > > in your "Commanderland" jb
> > >
> > > PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I
will
> > be
> > > flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through the
> > 30th.
> > > Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
Caracas, but I can fly out if you are going somewhere else.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
> In a message dated 3/5/03 11:05:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
>
> > If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not contact
me.
> > I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders
around,
> > particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
> >
>
> Where are you located?? jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi All,
I know that many of you probably won't find much that's new, but there may be
the odd 'snippet' you didn't know or understand. I found a vey useful website on
recips at:
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/engemp/engemp1.htm
I needed to know more than I do, to understand the powerplants better for the
book. It helped me, so I hope there's something there to make your visit
worthwhile!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C
UK
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
Great reading by the fireside, thanks for the link.
Anyone have a 680FLP for lease or lease/purchase?
I need it this summer for Search & Rescue in Vancouver, BC.
Tom F.
Zone Commander
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Piston engines
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I know that many of you probably won't find much that's new, but there may
be
> the odd 'snippet' you didn't know or understand. I found a vey useful
website on
> recips at:
>
> http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/engemp/engemp1.htm
>
> I needed to know more than I do, to understand the powerplants better for
the
> book. It helped me, so I hope there's something there to make your visit
> worthwhile!
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry C
> UK
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net> |
Thanks Recardo.
The mechanics may well have seen this airplane. However, I believe the
Dorniers you are referring to are probably the Dornier Do-28 or Do2258's.
The Do27 is a single engine STOL airplane. You can see what they look like
at www.do27.com.
Thanks
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
> I would not know how to find that particular one. They are used as
> airliners, and the mechanic knows most of them. I will ask for those
serials
> if he has them. But there are several dorniers around.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
>
>
> >
> > A contact in Venezuela!
> > Can you do me a BIG BIG favor?
> > See who currently owns a Dornier Do27-A4, SN-147, last known registry
was
> > 4X-AJR, formerly owned by Arnold Reinhard.
> >
> > The Do27 used the GO-480 engine like the Commanders (but low compression
> > version).
> >
> > Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Luc Martini
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi there:
> > >
> > > If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not
contact
> > me.
> > > I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders
> > around,
> > > particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
> > >
> > > 582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > HI KIDS.
> > > >
> > > > I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F from
El
> > > Paso,
> > > > TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to
> > Acapulco
> > > to
> > > > spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct
taped
> > the
> > > > openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape
did
> > not
> > > > work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The aux
> > tanks
> > > > were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon
caps!!)
> > > > We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with
20
> > > > gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I
> taped
> > > the
> > > > main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of the
> cap
> > > and
> > > > an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the trip
> > > > comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and
we
> > > > borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple
from
> > his
> > > > homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the "thermos
> > > bottle"
> > > > type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws
that
> > hold
> > > > the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the cap
> just
> > > to
> > > > make sure, it worked!!
> > > > We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip in
> 3.9
> > > and
> > > > didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to
the
> > > airport.
> > > > I will write a much more detailed story for the next
> newsletter.
> > > > I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to sigh
> off
> > a
> > > > couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander I
> can
> > > > remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy sent
> his
> > > > mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He
> > already
> > > > speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver TCFG
> > member
> > > > John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home
in
> > the
> > > > back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> > > > Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to
it's
> > home
> > > in
> > > > Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close, the
> > 680FP
> > > > All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an
opportunity
> to
> > > > deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope all
> is
> > > well
> > > > in your "Commanderland" jb
> > > >
> > > > PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ I
> will
> > > be
> > > > flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through
the
> > > 30th.
> > > > Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/6/03 1:49:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
> Caracas, but I can fly out if you are going somewhere else.
>
Great, let me keep you informed. It would be great to see a "Friendly face"
:-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
In a message dated 3/6/03 3:05:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Anyone have a 680FLP for lease or lease/purchase?
> I need it this summer for Search &Rescue in Vancouver, BC.
>
Morris K has a gourgious 680FLP for sale, might lease?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | nice (short) flight |
HI KIDS.
Finally got to fly MY Commander today. Took triple 2 to
Scapoose on Biz. While there, I got a tour of Composites unlimited. If you
have seen the new Viper kit jet that is being sold, it is being built there,
along with several other really cool projects. There was a literal assemly
line with 4 in progress. I plan to write a story for In-Flight USA about
their operation.
Flew a practice (just barely) VOR/DME approach. It sure felt
gooooooood to feel those blowers again!! It is only a 10 minute flight,
barely gets the oil warm,(takes well over an hour to drive it) but fun just
the same. Will have a longer trip to Scottsdale soon, 998SM. Sir Barry will
be ridding with and maybe, just maybe my lovely bride!! Hope all is well in
you Commanderland. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
Thanks for notice.
I'll wait for him to respond if he is interested.
I am only leasing because (for now) all I have is a cash flow, it will take
a bit of time to scratch a down payment together.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Piston engines
>
> In a message dated 3/6/03 3:05:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> > Anyone have a 680FLP for lease or lease/purchase?
> > I need it this summer for Search &Rescue in Vancouver, BC.
> >
>
> Morris K has a gourgious 680FLP for sale, might lease?? jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Saw this ad. If it is a good OH, it is a great price!! GO-480 GIB6 (295hp
560A HC, or E) 1373TT, "0" SMOH 24V accessories and PS-5 carb $15000
541-496-0048 Good luck jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
In a message dated 3/6/03 4:33:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Thanks for notice.
> I'll wait for him to respond if he is interested.
> I am only leasing because (for now) all I have is a cash flow, it will take
> a bit of time to scratch a down payment together.
> Tom F.
He wont know if He is interested if you dont call him:-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Tom,
Is there money in that? Just asking out of curiosity, or is it mostly a
labor of love?
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Piston engines
>
> Great reading by the fireside, thanks for the link.
>
> Anyone have a 680FLP for lease or lease/purchase?
> I need it this summer for Search & Rescue in Vancouver, BC.
>
> Tom F.
> Zone Commander
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Piston engines
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I know that many of you probably won't find much that's new, but there
may
> be
> > the odd 'snippet' you didn't know or understand. I found a vey useful
> website on
> > recips at:
> >
> > http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/engemp/engemp1.htm
> >
> > I needed to know more than I do, to understand the powerplants better
for
> the
> > book. It helped me, so I hope there's something there to make your visit
> > worthwhile!
> >
> > Very Best Regards,
> >
> > Barry C
> > UK
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: nice (short) flight |
Hey Jimbo...
I've got to sneak a trip up to the Seattle area this month to visit two
jobsites...one in the hamlet of Ballard, and one on San Juan Island. You'll
get a kick out of the San Juan project...it's a custom residence with
attached hangar (big enough for the owner's Aerostar and several more
aircraft). It will be located in the fly-in community of Roche Harbor on
the north end of the island. I am currently completing construction plans
for the project.
Do you have any advice on flying into your area...like weather concerns,
good airports at which to land, etc... I'll be flying up in my 680F. It
would be great to see you if you're going to be in the area.
Let me know.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
---- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: nice (short) flight
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Finally got to fly MY Commander today. Took triple 2 to
> Scapoose on Biz. While there, I got a tour of Composites unlimited. If
you
> have seen the new Viper kit jet that is being sold, it is being built
there,
> along with several other really cool projects. There was a literal
assemly
> line with 4 in progress. I plan to write a story for In-Flight USA about
> their operation.
> Flew a practice (just barely) VOR/DME approach. It sure felt
> gooooooood to feel those blowers again!! It is only a 10 minute flight,
> barely gets the oil warm,(takes well over an hour to drive it) but fun
just
> the same. Will have a longer trip to Scottsdale soon, 998SM. Sir Barry
will
> be ridding with and maybe, just maybe my lovely bride!! Hope all is well
in
> you Commanderland. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Not much money in it but they pay an hourly flat rate that is adjusted by
fuel price.
For example my 500B @ 385hp x 2 = 770hp total.
The last "fuel factor" (extracted from a table for fuel costing 1.10/L was
.655).
Therefore .655 x 770hp = $504.35 per hour which is more than operating
costs.
I also use the aircraft for operations with the local police and the
Cellular company transporting technicians to remote sites.
I also have some use of the aircraft for my corporate requirements.
As I am the Zone Commander for the South West of British Columbia I can
schedule whatever aircraft I like.
I currently have 13 search aircraft and 150 members which are made up of
Spotters & Navigators.
We conduct two scheduled exercises every month in order to keep everybody
current as required by the Federal Government.
The summer is the busiest of course and there is very little in the way of
twins available in this area.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: S&R
>
> Tom,
> Is there money in that? Just asking out of curiosity, or is it mostly a
> labor of love?
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Piston engines
>
>
>
> >
> > Great reading by the fireside, thanks for the link.
> >
> > Anyone have a 680FLP for lease or lease/purchase?
> > I need it this summer for Search & Rescue in Vancouver, BC.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > Zone Commander
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Piston engines
> >
> >
> > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I know that many of you probably won't find much that's new, but there
> may
> > be
> > > the odd 'snippet' you didn't know or understand. I found a vey useful
> > website on
> > > recips at:
> > >
> > > http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/engemp/engemp1.htm
> > >
> > > I needed to know more than I do, to understand the powerplants better
> for
> > the
> > > book. It helped me, so I hope there's something there to make your
visit
> > > worthwhile!
> > >
> > > Very Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Barry C
> > > UK
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
I was hoping he read this web site.
Maybe someone should send me his number.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Piston engines
>
> In a message dated 3/6/03 4:33:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> > Thanks for notice.
> > I'll wait for him to respond if he is interested.
> > I am only leasing because (for now) all I have is a cash flow, it will
take
> > a bit of time to scratch a down payment together.
> > Tom F.
>
> He wont know if He is interested if you dont call him:-) jb
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 03/06/03 18:00:49 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> As I am the Zone Commander for the South West of British Columbia I can
> schedule whatever aircraft I like.
>
Now that's a great title! Someone hung Wing Commander on me quite some time
ago, but Zone Commander has by far, more ... swank.
Can foreigners participate in your SaR missions? Either as pilots or
spotters?
And if a U.S. registered Commander was in your zone, could it be utilized?
(merely) Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
In a message dated 03/06/03 18:04:04 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> I was hoping he read this web site.
> Maybe someone should send me his number.
Tom,
No, Yoda has not found the on-ramp to the Information Superhighway.
Call his cell at 321-403-8813
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: nice (short) flight |
In a message dated 3/6/03 5:44:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> Do you have any advice on flying into your area...like weather concerns,
> good airports at which to land, etc... I'll be flying up in my 680F. It
> would be great to see you if you're going to be in the area.
HI RANDY.
WOW, I hope I am here! There is no real advice EXCEPT!!
There are 4 TFRAs in the area and you will be right in the middle of all of
them. I strongly suggest you buy a terminal chart ahead of time and draw
them in. A local Bonanza pilot, 22K TT airline type etc got cross threaded
in there last year and got busted, so be careful.
I have had My Commander into Roache many times, good strip, narrow and
up hill to the East, but no sweat. For the Ballard job, go to Boeing Field.
It is only about a 20 minute drive from there.
I hope you will stay in touch, I would love to see you. Good luck,
have fun. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
In a message dated 3/6/03 6:04:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> I was hoping he read this web site.
> Maybe someone should send me his number.
>
510-783-3028, no computer. jb
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Yes non Canadians may participate although....
In order to participate on an actual search you must be "certified".
For Spotters that means "two flights of not less than one hour each within
the last twelve months".
For Navigators that means "four flights of not less than one hour each
within the last twelve months".
For Pilots that means "twelve flights of not less than one hour each within
the last twelve months".
Aircraft registered in the U.S and flying in Canada are not a problem as
long as they are insured, keep in mind this is not a commercial operation it
is more like a corporate operation paid for by the Federal Government.
Tom F.
Zone Commander
South West Zone
Civil Air Search And Rescue Association (CASARA).
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S&R
>
> In a message dated 03/06/03 18:00:49 Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
>
> > As I am the Zone Commander for the South West of British Columbia I can
> > schedule whatever aircraft I like.
> >
>
> Now that's a great title! Someone hung Wing Commander on me quite some
time
> ago, but Zone Commander has by far, more ... swank.
>
> Can foreigners participate in your SaR missions? Either as pilots or
> spotters?
>
> And if a U.S. registered Commander was in your zone, could it be utilized?
> (merely) Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
> Flight plan-wise, 45 gph for the Lycoming, 55 gph for the Continental.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
Where the heck have *you* been?
BTW, we had a development weekend down in the desert for a Red Star air
war simulation concept. I brought my 680E for the simulated
AWACS/KC680/Big friggin' target, etc. When I arrived I pulled up right
next to another 680E at TRM (Thermal, CA) that lives there. I forgot to
get the N# and serial # for Sir Barry, sorry. Anyway, on Sunday the
Palm Spring Warbird Museum invited us all over to do some fly bys and a
tour. 680E lead a CJ on each wing into the overhead break on arrival
and taxied up to about 25 onlookers at the Museum ramp. On departure
the CJ's took off and came back around for a low pass (500 ft) and right
as they were over the top of me the tower cleared me for TO. Everything
firewalled, rotate at 80 kts and keep it there, the Commander ROARED up
to meed the CJ's in trail. I followed them back around the right
pattern for 31 right as we rolled in for individual low passes. As I
turned downwind to final and pushed the nose over, I pushed the
throttles back up with 3000 rpm showing on the tach. I was about 100'
AGL when I passed by the museum.....man I wish I could have heard *that*
from the ground. Pulled up from 190 kts indicated and was headed right
for the top of the airspace 2300 AGL when I pushed the nose over (was
tempted to roll it to get back to S&L flight, but I want to keep my
license) and headed for home.
Anyway, 680E is now headed north for a Morris annual....and is still for
sale if anyone is interested. It's a great bird and I hate to see her
go, but I'm not using her alot right now with the 11 week old Mini-B at
home....
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/6/03 7:51:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
> Anyway, 680E is now headed north for a Morris annual
WOW!! Great story!! thanks for sharing you Commander with the crowd. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/6/03 7:21:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Aircraft registered in the U.S and flying in Canada are not a problem as
> long as they are insured, keep in mind this is not a commercial operation
> it
> is more like a corporate operation paid for by the Federal Government.
>
Tom.
I may have a 560E to bring down from Alaska on a ferry permit. No
insurance, US registered. Any trouble passing through?? Might have enough
range to bypass Canada altogether?? Thanks jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piston engines |
Excellent, Sir Barry.
As always.
Thanks again
Marcio
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
No insurance?
I'll have to make a call to inquire about that one.
Bypass Canada eh?
Land at Boundary Bay CZBB instead of Vancouver CYVR if you don't bypass
Canada.
Let me know if you need the info.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S&R
>
> In a message dated 3/6/03 7:21:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> > Aircraft registered in the U.S and flying in Canada are not a problem as
> > long as they are insured, keep in mind this is not a commercial
operation
> > it
> > is more like a corporate operation paid for by the Federal Government.
> >
>
> Tom.
>
> I may have a 560E to bring down from Alaska on a ferry permit. No
> insurance, US registered. Any trouble passing through?? Might have
enough
> range to bypass Canada altogether?? Thanks jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
OK. Sorry about the confusion. Yes I have seen one of those, blue colored. I
will look at the serial number.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
> Thanks Recardo.
> The mechanics may well have seen this airplane. However, I believe the
> Dorniers you are referring to are probably the Dornier Do-28 or Do2258's.
>
> The Do27 is a single engine STOL airplane. You can see what they look
like
> at www.do27.com.
>
> Thanks
>
> Luc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
>
>
>
> >
> > I would not know how to find that particular one. They are used as
> > airliners, and the mechanic knows most of them. I will ask for those
> serials
> > if he has them. But there are several dorniers around.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martini(at)foxinternet.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > A contact in Venezuela!
> > > Can you do me a BIG BIG favor?
> > > See who currently owns a Dornier Do27-A4, SN-147, last known registry
> was
> > > 4X-AJR, formerly owned by Arnold Reinhard.
> > >
> > > The Do27 used the GO-480 engine like the Commanders (but low
compression
> > > version).
> > >
> > > Would love to be able to contact the current owner.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Luc Martini
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi there:
> > > >
> > > > If you come to Venezuela, I will be very offended if you do not
> contact
> > > me.
> > > > I will be more than happy to take you around and see all commanders
> > > around,
> > > > particularly my 680F, a unique piece.
> > > >
> > > > 582129930622 ext 203 or portable 011584143334000
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: 500B 500S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > HI KIDS.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have had a great couple of weeks. I fly a 560F
from
> El
> > > > Paso,
> > > > > TX to Panama. Went from El Paso direct to Paure viarta. Then to
> > > Acapulco
> > > > to
> > > > > spend the night. All three gas caps were stolen there!! I duct
> taped
> > > the
> > > > > openings and we were off to Tapachula to clear customs. The tape
> did
> > > not
> > > > > work. You could literately watch the gas gauges go down!! The
aux
> > > tanks
> > > > > were empty before we reached 5000 (so much for the anti siphon
> caps!!)
> > > > > We left with 223 gallons and barley made 200nm, landed with
> 20
> > > > > gallons. Our next stop was Ilopango, El Salvidor, 200nm away. I
> > taped
> > > > the
> > > > > main tank and installed a small aluminum angle just in front of
the
> > cap
> > > > and
> > > > > an air dam. I worked, kinda. Still lost some gas, but mad the
trip
> > > > > comfortably. The broker traveling with me knew a friend there and
> we
> > > > > borrowed a cap from his Navajo aux tank for the main and a couple
> from
> > > his
> > > > > homebuilt Midget Mustang for the aux tanks. These were the
"thermos
> > > > bottle"
> > > > > type, but fit nice and tight. I loosened a couple of the screws
> that
> > > hold
> > > > > the filler ring to the wing and ran some safety wire across the
cap
> > just
> > > > to
> > > > > make sure, it worked!!
> > > > > We fueled and headed for Panama, 4.5 away. Made the trip
in
> > 3.9
> > > > and
> > > > > didn't loose a drop. Flew right over the Panama Canal in rout to
> the
> > > > airport.
> > > > > I will write a much more detailed story for the next
> > newsletter.
> > > > > I was home less that 30 hours and left for California to
sigh
> > off
> > > a
> > > > > couple of annuals for MorisK. Did a 500S (nicest piston Commander
I
> > can
> > > > > remember) and TCFG member Jimmy Rodreguies 500B, S/N 1. Jimmy
sent
> > his
> > > > > mechanic, Jose, from San Juan to learn to speak "Commanderiees" He
> > > already
> > > > > speaks Spanish and English. We had a blast. I got to deliver
TCFG
> > > member
> > > > > John Vormbaums 17000tt 500B to him in Palo Alto. Got to ride home
> in
> > > the
> > > > > back seat, John is a great Commander pilot.
> > > > > Then I delivered the 500S (The thing flew like butter) to
> it's
> > > home
> > > > in
> > > > > Concord. Had a chance to see my next project airplane up close,
the
> > > 680FP
> > > > > All in all it was a great couple of weeks. I may have an
> opportunity
> > to
> > > > > deliver another 500B to Venezuela next week, we shall see. Hope
all
> > is
> > > > well
> > > > > in your "Commanderland" jb
> > > > >
> > > > > PS Remember that the TCAC flyin is this month in Scottsdale, AZ
I
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > flying triple 2 there with Barry Collman. It is the 27 th through
> the
> > > > 30th.
> > > > > Call 360-435-9797 to register, it is a great time. jb
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hey Barry,
Really enjoyed the story of your Palm Springs adventure...sounded like great
fun.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: He returns!
>
> > Flight plan-wise, 45 gph for the Lycoming, 55 gph for the Continental.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Where the heck have *you* been?
>
> BTW, we had a development weekend down in the desert for a Red Star air
> war simulation concept. I brought my 680E for the simulated
> AWACS/KC680/Big friggin' target, etc. When I arrived I pulled up right
> next to another 680E at TRM (Thermal, CA) that lives there. I forgot to
> get the N# and serial # for Sir Barry, sorry. Anyway, on Sunday the
> Palm Spring Warbird Museum invited us all over to do some fly bys and a
> tour. 680E lead a CJ on each wing into the overhead break on arrival
> and taxied up to about 25 onlookers at the Museum ramp. On departure
> the CJ's took off and came back around for a low pass (500 ft) and right
> as they were over the top of me the tower cleared me for TO. Everything
> firewalled, rotate at 80 kts and keep it there, the Commander ROARED up
> to meed the CJ's in trail. I followed them back around the right
> pattern for 31 right as we rolled in for individual low passes. As I
> turned downwind to final and pushed the nose over, I pushed the
> throttles back up with 3000 rpm showing on the tach. I was about 100'
> AGL when I passed by the museum.....man I wish I could have heard *that*
> from the ground. Pulled up from 190 kts indicated and was headed right
> for the top of the airspace 2300 AGL when I pushed the nose over (was
> tempted to roll it to get back to S&L flight, but I want to keep my
> license) and headed for home.
>
> Anyway, 680E is now headed north for a Morris annual....and is still for
> sale if anyone is interested. It's a great bird and I hate to see her
> go, but I'm not using her alot right now with the 11 week old Mini-B at
> home....
> Barry Hancock
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/6/03 8:41:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Let me know if you need the info.
>
Thanks, will do. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | nice (short) flight |
Randy Dettmer:
If you're coming to the Seattle area, we'd be happy to host you at
Arlington (AWO). We can hangar your 680F and provide a loaner car to get
you to Ballard. Roach Harbor is only about a 12 minute flight away. Let
us know if we can help.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223-7898
tel: 360-435-7343
fax: 360-435-8193
billw@air-matrix.com
www.air-matrix.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
Jimbo, a good lead. I talked to the guy tonight and will get more infor
as to the quality of the rebuild. He's in your neck of the woods in
Roseburg, Oregan RBG. If this pans out would you be willing to visit
the engine and snoop around a little for a modest fee, (heavy on the
modest, just kidding)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: GO-480 GIB6
HI KIDS.
Saw this ad. If it is a good OH, it is a great price!! GO-480 GIB6
(295hp
560A HC, or E) 1373TT, "0" SMOH 24V accessories and PS-5 carb $15000
541-496-0048 Good luck jb
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/8/03 6:04:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com writes:
> snoop around a little for a modest fee, (heavy on the
> modest, just kidding)
>
I will be happy to "snoop", but no fee !! Glad to help. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
If all goes well, I will be spending Wednesday eve in
Kingston Jamaica after flying a 500B from Virginia to there. The next day,
we will press on to the last stop, Cartagene Columbia.
Hope you all have a great week in Commanderland. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Patrick Nickles" <aerocommander(at)nickles.cc> |
| Subject: | 560F salvage auction |
Just in case any 560F owners out there might be interested in some spare
parts, I stumbled across N201KS this evening.
http://www.salvagesale.com/ShowOffer.asp?OfferID=11955
Patrick Nickles
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Hamilton <fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
All,
What a sad end to what was obviously a very nice aircraft.
From the upper wing panel access plate removed, was it a fuel leak, the
hard line ringed is not a fuel line.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>
>Just in case any 560F owners out there might be interested in some spare
>parts, I stumbled across N201KS this evening.
>
>
>http://www.salvagesale.com/ShowOffer.asp?OfferID=11955
>
>
>Patrick Nickles
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
In a message dated 03/08/03 19:57:34 Pacific Standard Time,
fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au writes:
> What a sad end to what was obviously a very nice aircraft.
> From the upper wing panel access plate removed, was it a fuel leak, the
> hard line ringed is not a fuel line.
>
Bill,
Hydraulic line.
Looking at the images, could the runway over-run have been due to no brakes
on touch down due to hydraulic loss?
If so, that was the wrong runway to use. (Unless fuel level was as low as
the hydraulic fluid.)
Another anomaly. One photo shows the parking brake lever in the set
position. A habit by the pilot, during egress? Or was it set at landing?
Remember, when the Commander parking brake is set, the brakes are isolated
from the rest of the hydraulic system. That means no pressure would get to
them no matter how hard you mash on the pedals.
This is also relevant when starting engines with the parking brake set. With
low brake pressure at the calipers, there may not be enough pressure to hold
the aircraft with an engine(s) running.
I prefer to hold 'em myself and not use the parking brake.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
In a message dated 3/8/03 7:29:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
aerocommander(at)nickles.cc writes:
> Just in case any 560F owners out there might be interested in some spare
> parts, I stumbled across N201KS this evening.
>
A drug runner perhaps. No seats, front door, grass strip, Night landing?
Hummmmmm?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
In a message dated 03/08/03 20:46:53 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
> A drug runner perhaps. No seats, front door, grass strip, Night landing?
> Hummmmmm?? jb
Too far north.
Obviously smuggling black market soy beans. Or genetically engineered corn.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
Where do you get to see the photos?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction
>
> In a message dated 03/08/03 19:57:34 Pacific Standard Time,
> fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au writes:
>
>
> > What a sad end to what was obviously a very nice aircraft.
> > From the upper wing panel access plate removed, was it a fuel leak, the
> > hard line ringed is not a fuel line.
> >
>
> Bill,
>
> Hydraulic line.
>
> Looking at the images, could the runway over-run have been due to no
brakes
> on touch down due to hydraulic loss?
>
> If so, that was the wrong runway to use. (Unless fuel level was as low as
> the hydraulic fluid.)
>
> Another anomaly. One photo shows the parking brake lever in the set
> position. A habit by the pilot, during egress? Or was it set at
landing?
>
> Remember, when the Commander parking brake is set, the brakes are isolated
> from the rest of the hydraulic system. That means no pressure would get
to
> them no matter how hard you mash on the pedals.
>
> This is also relevant when starting engines with the parking brake set.
With
> low brake pressure at the calipers, there may not be enough pressure to
hold
> the aircraft with an engine(s) running.
>
> I prefer to hold 'em myself and not use the parking brake.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
In a message dated 3/8/03 9:05:00 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> Too far north.
>
They don't use drugs in Canada?? I think not. I have a friend who sold a
1000 Commander to a guy many years ago, from Canada. He was eventually
busted. The 1000 was his "legitimate" airplane. He had a very special
Cessna 310 "Riley Rocket" with some special tanks that would make the trip
from the Dominican Republic to Canada non stop. His story turned out to be
famous b(some one wrote a book) and he went to jail for many years (as he
should) I don't know what happened to the Commander.
I was also involved in salavaging and making fly again a Howard 250
(Lockheed L-18 vLoadstar) that had been used to smuggle drugs from Mexico to
Canada, with enough range to overfly the US without stopping. It sat
derelict for many years on a N. Idaho airport before a good friend of mine
and I "stole" it. It had lost an engine during a crossing and was abandoned.
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
That's really interesting! I wonder if that would make a good project for an experimental.
I would love to try sticking a couple of 4-rotor Mazda engines on
the wings and see what happens. ZOOM ZOOM!
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Nickles
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction
Just in case any 560F owners out there might be interested in some spare
parts, I stumbled across N201KS this evening.
http://www.salvagesale.com/ShowOffer.asp?OfferID11955
Patrick Nickles
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
Glad to see everybody chatting things up again.
I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy
inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the
mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to
the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was
working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly
that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well
done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the
airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome.
So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look
at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out
to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a
corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been
owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the
list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on
Monday to get everything up to speed.
Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental
car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could
have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead).
Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on
Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on
Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection
on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you
can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed
back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to
deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners
this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm
twisting.
I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very
smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and
treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John
Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton.
Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much
as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which
might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he
is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to
share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch
enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself.
cwall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | 560F salvage auction |
If you read the comments it says the wreck happened on the take off run. I
think that's why the emergency brake knob was circled. I'm assuming the
pilot tried to take off with the emergency brakes set and he didn't get off
the ground. Makes me wonder why he would continue the take off roll?
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction
In a message dated 03/08/03 19:57:34 Pacific Standard Time,
fighterf(at)ozemail.com.au writes:
> What a sad end to what was obviously a very nice aircraft.
> From the upper wing panel access plate removed, was it a fuel leak, the
> hard line ringed is not a fuel line.
>
Bill,
Hydraulic line.
Looking at the images, could the runway over-run have been due to no brakes
on touch down due to hydraulic loss?
If so, that was the wrong runway to use. (Unless fuel level was as low as
the hydraulic fluid.)
Another anomaly. One photo shows the parking brake lever in the set
position. A habit by the pilot, during egress? Or was it set at landing?
Remember, when the Commander parking brake is set, the brakes are isolated
from the rest of the hydraulic system. That means no pressure would get to
them no matter how hard you mash on the pedals.
This is also relevant when starting engines with the parking brake set.
With
low brake pressure at the calipers, there may not be enough pressure to hold
the aircraft with an engine(s) running.
I prefer to hold 'em myself and not use the parking brake.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
Hi gang,
N201KS was damaged at a private strip at Thorndale, Ontario, Canada, on August
20th 2002.
This is what the pilot reported:
"I recently had Cleveland brakes and wheels installed on my 560F. On take-off
the brakes apparently, dragged, heated up and locked. I ended up in corn field
about 100' off the end of the grass strip. I did not notice the brakes dragging
during taxing and on a few high speed runs (up to 50 mph). I am at a loss to
explain how the brakes came on. One possibility I thought of was that I had not
pushed the plunger type parking brake release all the way in, so after the
accident I, asked a mechanic to check it and it was all the way in.
I was wondering if the hydraulic valve that sets the park brake and is actuated
by the plunger is capable of allowing a small amount of pressure on the brakes
or is it an 'all or nothing' valve. The plane sustained significant damage and
I
was injured when the windscreen shattered."
Barry C.
UK
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "J.R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
I agree about Gary He should stand up and give us his opinion on some of
these maintenance issues, Gary you were taught by the best, Dick Wartinger.
we love you guy's at Commander Aero, HELP US KEEP THESE WONDERFUL AIRPLANES
FLYING.
Regards: Jerry Sprayberry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03
>
> Glad to see everybody chatting things up again.
>
> I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy
> inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the
> mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to
> the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was
> working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly
> that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well
> done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the
> airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome.
>
> So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look
> at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out
> to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a
> corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been
> owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the
> list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on
> Monday to get everything up to speed.
>
> Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental
> car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could
> have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead).
> Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on
> Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on
> Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection
> on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you
> can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed
> back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to
> deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners
> this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm
> twisting.
>
> I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very
> smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and
> treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John
> Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton.
>
> Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much
> as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which
> might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he
> is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to
> share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch
> enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself.
>
> cwall
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 560F salvage auction |
Hey, where do you guys get to view the photos?
I checked the photoshare but there are only photos of the other lists and I
con't want to look at microlights.
Please advise.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560F salvage auction
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> N201KS was damaged at a private strip at Thorndale, Ontario, Canada, on
August
> 20th 2002.
>
> This is what the pilot reported:
>
> "I recently had Cleveland brakes and wheels installed on my 560F. On
take-off
> the brakes apparently, dragged, heated up and locked. I ended up in corn
field
> about 100' off the end of the grass strip. I did not notice the brakes
dragging
> during taxing and on a few high speed runs (up to 50 mph). I am at a loss
to
> explain how the brakes came on. One possibility I thought of was that I
had not
> pushed the plunger type parking brake release all the way in, so after the
> accident I, asked a mechanic to check it and it was all the way in.
> I was wondering if the hydraulic valve that sets the park brake and is
actuated
> by the plunger is capable of allowing a small amount of pressure on the
brakes
> or is it an 'all or nothing' valve. The plane sustained significant damage
and I
> was injured when the windscreen shattered."
>
> Barry C.
> UK
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
You are a dog, Chris. We need to go out to HOOTER's and have a few more
cocktails.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03
>
> Glad to see everybody chatting things up again.
>
> I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy
> inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the
> mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to
> the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was
> working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly
> that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well
> done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the
> airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome.
>
> So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look
> at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out
> to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a
> corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been
> owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the
> list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on
> Monday to get everything up to speed.
>
> Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental
> car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could
> have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead).
> Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on
> Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on
> Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection
> on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you
> can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed
> back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to
> deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners
> this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm
> twisting.
>
> I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very
> smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and
> treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John
> Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton.
>
> Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much
> as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which
> might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he
> is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to
> share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch
> enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself.
>
> cwall
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
Will do Jerry!
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "J.R. Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03
>
> I agree about Gary He should stand up and give us his opinion on some of
> these maintenance issues, Gary you were taught by the best, Dick
Wartinger.
> we love you guy's at Commander Aero, HELP US KEEP THESE WONDERFUL
AIRPLANES
> FLYING.
> Regards: Jerry Sprayberry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 25 Msgs - 03/06/03
>
>
>
> >
> > Glad to see everybody chatting things up again.
> >
> > I left Houston last Sunday to head up to Commander Aero to do a prebuy
> > inspection on N333BE a beautiful 500A colemill conversion with all the
> > mods and brand new props. After looking at it for about a day I came to
> > the conclusion that it was not the right airplane for the person I was
> > working for. There is some hail damage and a repair done on the belly
> > that wasn't the prettiest but was structural sound and actually well
> > done, but the person that was looking at buying it wants to make the
> > airplane perfect and these items could not be easily overcome.
> >
> > So on to plan II, I rented a car and headed for Chattanooga, TN to look
> > at another 500A Colemill that Gadburry had for sale. N152K turned out
> > to be a very clean airplane with a great pedigree. It was operated as a
> > corporate airplane for the first 2 years of its life and then has been
> > owned by the same family for the last 37 years! I still found quite the
> > list of little squaks, and the airplane is headed to Commander Aero on
> > Monday to get everything up to speed.
> >
> > Then I made the terribly long drive back to Ohio to return the rental
> > car,(I sure wish I had gotten a one way rental car because then I could
> > have flown the plane back up there, so much for planning ahead).
> > Another potential buyer was looking at N333BE at the same time I was on
> > Monday and went for a test flight in the plane with Kevin Coons on
> > Tuesday morning. So I spent Friday finishing up the prebuy inspection
> > on N333BE for the other potential buyer I meet there on Monday, if you
> > can look past the hail damage it is a great airplane. Now I am headed
> > back to Houston spend the weekend finishing up a 560A which I hope to
> > deliver to California very soon. There are two new commander owners
> > this week and hopefully two new flight group members, with a little arm
> > twisting.
> >
> > I must say that the purchase of 152K from Gary Gadburry has gone very
> > smoothly, he was up front about the known problems with the airplane and
> > treated me very well while I was in Chattanooga. Thanks also to John
> > Bosch and Gary Kromer for the help while I was up in Dayton.
> >
> > Just so you all know Kromer is on the chatlist and knows about as much
> > as anybody about these planes. I think he is just a little shy which
> > might explain why he doesn't speak up on the chatlist, either that or he
> > is a selfish bastard. Maybe a little peer pressure might get him to
> > share some of his brilliance with the rest of us. Kromer, if I launch
> > enough insults eventually you will have to speak up and defend yourself.
> >
> > cwall
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Captain Jimbob,
Let me know what kind of performance you get on your trip down there. I'll
use the info to plan for mine.
Best Regards,
Jimmy Rodriguez
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Gone again
HI KIDS.
If all goes well, I will be spending Wednesday eve in
Kingston Jamaica after flying a 500B from Virginia to there. The next day,
we will press on to the last stop, Cartagene Columbia.
Hope you all have a great week in Commanderland. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: nice (short) flight |
Hello Bill,
Thanks very much for your offer. We will be happy to accept your
hospitality.
Our schedule would be to arrive at Arlington on March 17th or 18th, and
return home on the 19th or 20th. Weather permitting I would like to hop
over to Roche Harbor for a few hours. If the weather is bad, maybe I can
drive up and catch a ferry..??
Do you have any suggestions for reasonable hotels in the area..?? We
appreciate your hospitality and look forward to meeting you.
Randy Dettmer
Dettmer Architecture
805 541 4864
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: nice (short) flight
<billw@air-matrix.com>
>
> Randy Dettmer:
>
> If you're coming to the Seattle area, we'd be happy to host you at
> Arlington (AWO). We can hangar your 680F and provide a loaner car to get
> you to Ballard. Roach Harbor is only about a 12 minute flight away. Let
> us know if we can help.
>
> Bill Williams
> AirMatrix
> 17705 49th Place N.E., Hangar D
> Arlington, WA 98223-7898
> tel: 360-435-7343
> fax: 360-435-8193
> billw@air-matrix.com
> www.air-matrix.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | A Request and a Review - Flight Sim Team |
Keith,
Can someone share the "Demonstrated Crosswind Component" for the AC520, 560A,
680, 500, 500S, and 680E models?
Also, are there any POH's available online for viewing or purchase for these
models?
If you are interested in a review of the AC520, go here:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0303/aero_commander/review.html
Warm Regards
Milton Shupe
The FlightSim Commander Project
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
Contact the Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation. www.twincommander.com
<http://www.twincommander.com/> , they have manuals for sale.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Tech: Fuel bladder |
Hi All,
Our center fuel bladder on our 680 has developed a small leak. Where should
we get a new bladder?
Thanks,
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Tech: Fuel bladder |
Todd,
We found an outfit called Eagle Fuel Cells that supplied the bladders for
our 560A and I believe that they carried 680 cells as well. Here's the
info:
Eagle Fuel Cells-ETC, Inc.
853 Adams Road
Eagle River, WI 54521
tel: (800)-437-8732
fax: 715-479-6344
Good luck!
Kelly Piper
Director of Operations
AirMatrix LLC
17705 49th Place NE
Arlington, WA 98223
360-435-7343
kellyp@air-matrix.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Todd
Hindmarsh
Subject: Commander-List: Tech: Fuel bladder
Hi All,
Our center fuel bladder on our 680 has developed a small leak. Where should
we get a new bladder?
Thanks,
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Tylor Hall Email address? |
Tylor, would you send me an Email, I sent you one but got the following
error.
Tom F.
Final-Recipient: RFC822; winddancer(at)centurytel.net
Action: failed
Remote-MTA: DNS; [209.142.136.96]
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:06:32 -0600 (CST)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org> |
| Subject: | Tech: Fuel bladder |
Thanks Kelly!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Piper
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tech: Fuel bladder
Todd,
We found an outfit called Eagle Fuel Cells that supplied the bladders for
our 560A and I believe that they carried 680 cells as well. Here's the
info:
Eagle Fuel Cells-ETC, Inc.
853 Adams Road
Eagle River, WI 54521
tel: (800)-437-8732
fax: 715-479-6344
Good luck!
Kelly Piper
Director of Operations
AirMatrix LLC
17705 49th Place NE
Arlington, WA 98223
360-435-7343
kellyp@air-matrix.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Todd
Hindmarsh
Subject: Commander-List: Tech: Fuel bladder
Hi All,
Our center fuel bladder on our 680 has developed a small leak. Where should
we get a new bladder?
Thanks,
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tech: Fuel bladder |
I sent mine to Eagle, THREE TIMES.
First to be tested.(It tested good)
Second to get the "easy out" removed that THEY forgot to remove.
Third to fix a leak that appeared AFTER they had replaced the nut ring.(easy
out wouldn't budge)
But hey its just ME, I have to get things done 3 or 4 times to get it done
right.(boost pumps, hydraulic pumps, fuel cells) It's only money, I guess.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Hindmarsh" <todd(at)inpnet.org>
Subject: Commander-List: Tech: Fuel bladder
>
> Hi All,
>
>
> Our center fuel bladder on our 680 has developed a small leak. Where
should
> we get a new bladder?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Todd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Tech: Fuel bladder |
Todd,
There is a place here in Dallas Called AVCELLs, INC. that might be able
to
rejuvenate and repair your tank. I have had good luck with them so far. They
checked my tank and have made several hyd lines for me. Cody is the person I
have delt with. Tell him I sent you and but he most likely won't remember
me. Their phone is 1 800 288 1505.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Todd
Hindmarsh
Subject: Commander-List: Tech: Fuel bladder
Hi All,
Our center fuel bladder on our 680 has developed a small leak. Where should
we get a new bladder?
Thanks,
Todd
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re:Commanders at Lantana |
barry, i went back to the airport and it looks like the commanders have been busy
at night because there are a few new ones on the field that i have not mentioned
in the past. two of them do not have an installed serial plate. the one
in primer has been on the field for at least 10 years without flying. i am
told the n number is n303H. it is either a 500a or b, but i did not look at
the engines so i am not sure. the next one is a 500 and jim has the serial plate.
the number is either n722wr or n58me. in any event it is undergoing a
complete restoration and will be beautiful when finished and will be n58me for
the owner, marine exhaust.
the third one i do not believe i have mentioned before is without an n number but
has a serial plate. i am told the n number ends in 56B, but the serial plate
is 808 and it is a 500. we have n6289b, n628AH (formerly n6287B) n58E and
a 500a it has continental engines) n 10ME
(it is also being restored)(the s/n plate says 00A-900-9) and 58ME in the hangar.
outside we have 24c, 89m, 41C and 56B. those are in various stages of repair.
56B does not have the n number on the aircraft and is blue and white. it has
a s/n
n10me does not have the n number on the aircraft and is also a blue and white bird.
it has a s/n.
n303 h and n58me do not have n numbers on them nor do they have s/n plates. as
i said, 303 h is in primer, zinc chromate and n58me is white with green and pink
island colors.
hope some of this helps. we have almost completed a kevlar nose cone for the 500
and an upper and lower cowling in kevlar for the 500. they are beautiful.
jim schiller at lantana, florida is one of the most knowledgeable mechanics in
the country.
let me know if you need more information. do you have the ownership history of
n6289b handy and it is a corrosion free aircraft that we should have ready for
sale in about 60 days.
al hoffman
h
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re:Commanders at Lantana |
Al,
What are your hours at the airport. I may try to get over this week.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re:Commanders at Lantana
>
> barry, i went back to the airport and it looks like the commanders have
been busy at night because there are a few new ones on the field that i have
not mentioned in the past. two of them do not have an installed serial
plate. the one in primer has been on the field for at least 10 years
without flying. i am told the n number is n303H. it is either a 500a or
b, but i did not look at the engines so i am not sure. the next one is a
500 and jim has the serial plate. the number is either n722wr or n58me.
in any event it is undergoing a complete restoration and will be beautiful
when finished and will be n58me for the owner, marine exhaust.
>
> the third one i do not believe i have mentioned before is without an n
number but has a serial plate. i am told the n number ends in 56B, but the
serial plate is 808 and it is a 500. we have n6289b, n628AH (formerly
n6287B) n58E and a 500a it has continental engines) n 10ME
> (it is also being restored)(the s/n plate says 00A-900-9) and 58ME in the
hangar.
>
> outside we have 24c, 89m, 41C and 56B. those are in various stages of
repair. 56B does not have the n number on the aircraft and is blue and
white. it has a s/n
>
> n10me does not have the n number on the aircraft and is also a blue and
white bird. it has a s/n.
>
> n303 h and n58me do not have n numbers on them nor do they have s/n
plates. as i said, 303 h is in primer, zinc chromate and n58me is white
with green and pink island colors.
>
> hope some of this helps. we have almost completed a kevlar nose cone for
the 500 and an upper and lower cowling in kevlar for the 500. they are
beautiful. jim schiller at lantana, florida is one of the most
knowledgeable mechanics in the country.
>
> let me know if you need more information. do you have the ownership
history of n6289b handy and it is a corrosion free aircraft that we should
have ready for sale in about 60 days.
>
> al hoffman
>
>
> h
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | Commanders..commanders |
"......barry, i went back to the airport and it looks like the commanders have
been busy at night because there are a few new ones on the field that i have not
mentioned in the past. "
What Airport??
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | commanders at lantana, florida (LNA) |
steve crow, i guess the heading did not survive the note. i am in lantana, florida,
5 south of palm beach. al hoffman (n628ah)
bilbo, i am here all week, but my office is at pbi. since you have either a
500 a or b, i would really like to have you come for lunch as the guy from marine
exhaust could join us. he has a 500 and a 500a. he may be able to solve
your exhaust problem. my number is 561-478-7066. the shop is open from 8 to
5, and the people usually leave for lunch about 12 to 1. i will look forward
to meeting you in person. al hoffman.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/10/03 5:35:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jimmyr(at)popsecs.com writes:
> Let me know what kind of performance you get on your trip down there. I'll
> use the info to plan for mine.
>
I averaged 160kts @ 32 gph (22 X2200) @ 7K. Went well. Had a really bad oil
leak, the oil screen housing had been left loose, and a hyd leak in one main
gear cylinder, but did fine 510 mile of open water jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Mango Airways and Hemingway |
In a message dated 3/13/03 1:44:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, jcs(at)netdoor.com
writes:
> Hello Jim,
>
> Just saw on the Mango Airways site about their Hemingway trip. If you
> wish, you can pass on to them that I wrote the book ERNEST MILLER
> HEMINGWAY: A WORKBOOK. Can be seen at the below URL. Am also pleased with
> the way you put my "Commander tale" on the site.
>
> http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~mmitran/hem/workbook
>
From: "JC Simmons" <jcs(at)netdoor.com>
Subject: Mango Airways and Hemingway
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:43:40 -0600
Hello Jim,
Just saw on the Mango Airways site about their Hemingway trip. If you wish, you
can pass on to them that I wrote the book ERNEST MILLER HEMINGWAY: A WORKBOOK.
Can be seen at the below URL. Am also pleased with the way you put my "Commander
tale" on the site.
http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~mmitran/hem/workbook
Thanks,
J.C.
Hello Jim,
Just saw on the Mango Airways site about their Hemingway
trip. If you wish, you can pass on to them that I wrote the book
ERNEST MILLER HEMINGWAY: A WORKBOOK. Can be seen at the below URL.
Am also pleased with the way you put my "Commander tale" on the
site.
http://www.cim.mcgill.ca/~mmitran/hem/workbook
Thanks,
J.C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I arrived in PDX last night at 2;30AM so I am still a little tired but
here is a real fast run down.
I picked up a 500B, N6210N (Formally LV-HBA I think This is "El
Pinguino"), S/N 33 at Winchester, VA last Tuesday. Flew to Benton Co.
airport, SC I think. Then to Opa Loca for maintenance and radio
installation. Left late Wed evening, IFR, for Kingston Jamaica. Flew over
Cuba, only talked to Havana center twice, piece of cake. Landed about 11pm.
Left the next morning with a fouled # 5 spark plug on the Right engine for
Cartagene Columbia, 510 mile open water.
The airplane did OK, but was a very "rustic" example. It will be
taken to Vensuala to it's new permeant home. While there, I saw an 840 Turbo
Commander with only 1800TT, very damaged VERY corroded. Also say a 560E S/N
534. The tail has been drilled off, and the engines removed but it looked
like it was beeing repaired??
Also saw a 500S that was parked in transit, it flew out the next day
(I have a photo and will get the reg # to you Barry). All in all, it went
pretty well. glad to be home. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: HONEY, I,M HOME |
In a message dated 3/16/03 4:32:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
> (I have a photo and will get the reg # to you Barry).
The 500S is YV-908P and the correct S/N for the 500B is 1011-32 (not 33)
sorry. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HONEY, I,M HOME |
Hey Jim...great report..!!
As discussed previously, I will be arriving in your neck of the woods
tomorrow. We will be flying the 680F into Arlington about noon to meet up
with Bill Willaims of Air Matrix. He has graciously offered to put us up in
a nice dry hangar, and show us some Washington State hospitality. We are
delighted to have the opportunity to meet some other Commander folks, and
appreciate Bill's assistance and generosity.
After some business in Ballard and Roche Harbor (San Juan Island) we will be
departing sometime Wednesday morning for our return to sunny California.
If you're available to meet for lunch or dinner or whatever, please give me
a call on my cell 805 459 0806. It would be great to see you.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: HONEY, I,M HOME
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I arrived in PDX last night at 2;30AM so I am still a little tired
but
> here is a real fast run down.
> I picked up a 500B, N6210N (Formally LV-HBA I think This is "El
> Pinguino"), S/N 33 at Winchester, VA last Tuesday. Flew to Benton Co.
> airport, SC I think. Then to Opa Loca for maintenance and radio
> installation. Left late Wed evening, IFR, for Kingston Jamaica. Flew
over
> Cuba, only talked to Havana center twice, piece of cake. Landed about
11pm.
> Left the next morning with a fouled # 5 spark plug on the Right engine for
> Cartagene Columbia, 510 mile open water.
> The airplane did OK, but was a very "rustic" example. It will be
> taken to Vensuala to it's new permeant home. While there, I saw an 840
Turbo
> Commander with only 1800TT, very damaged VERY corroded. Also say a 560E
S/N
> 534. The tail has been drilled off, and the engines removed but it looked
> like it was beeing repaired??
> Also saw a 500S that was parked in transit, it flew out the next
day
> (I have a photo and will get the reg # to you Barry). All in all, it went
> pretty well. glad to be home. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: HONEY, I,M HOME |
In a message dated 3/16/03 6:16:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> If you're available to meet for lunch or dinner or whatever, please give me
> a call on my cell 805 459 0806. It would be great to see you.
>
HI RANDY.
I would love to see you and will call. you are welcome to
spend the night at our home if it works into your schedule. In any event,
the airport you will want to land at is 1W1, Grove Field. I will call
tomorrow. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HONEY, I,M HOME |
Did someone say FREE FOOD?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HONEY, I,M HOME
>
> Hey Jim...great report..!!
> As discussed previously, I will be arriving in your neck of the woods
> tomorrow. We will be flying the 680F into Arlington about noon to meet up
> with Bill Willaims of Air Matrix. He has graciously offered to put us up
in
> a nice dry hangar, and show us some Washington State hospitality. We are
> delighted to have the opportunity to meet some other Commander folks, and
> appreciate Bill's assistance and generosity.
>
> After some business in Ballard and Roche Harbor (San Juan Island) we will
be
> departing sometime Wednesday morning for our return to sunny California.
>
> If you're available to meet for lunch or dinner or whatever, please give
me
> a call on my cell 805 459 0806. It would be great to see you.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: HONEY, I,M HOME
>
>
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > I arrived in PDX last night at 2;30AM so I am still a little
tired
> but
> > here is a real fast run down.
> > I picked up a 500B, N6210N (Formally LV-HBA I think This is "El
> > Pinguino"), S/N 33 at Winchester, VA last Tuesday. Flew to Benton Co.
> > airport, SC I think. Then to Opa Loca for maintenance and radio
> > installation. Left late Wed evening, IFR, for Kingston Jamaica. Flew
> over
> > Cuba, only talked to Havana center twice, piece of cake. Landed about
> 11pm.
> > Left the next morning with a fouled # 5 spark plug on the Right engine
for
> > Cartagene Columbia, 510 mile open water.
> > The airplane did OK, but was a very "rustic" example. It will be
> > taken to Vensuala to it's new permeant home. While there, I saw an 840
> Turbo
> > Commander with only 1800TT, very damaged VERY corroded. Also say a 560E
> S/N
> > 534. The tail has been drilled off, and the engines removed but it
looked
> > like it was beeing repaired??
> > Also saw a 500S that was parked in transit, it flew out the next
> day
> > (I have a photo and will get the reg # to you Barry). All in all, it
went
> > pretty well. glad to be home. jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS...
Allow me to introduce our newest TCFG member. Stephen Primm
from Manassas, VA is the proud owner of a 560 Commander, N2705B. He uses the
airplane for his business and is associated with Pilots for Christ, Virginia
Chapter, Praise God!!
Welcome Stephen!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com> |
Fellas-
A few improvements. We've added a "Commander Sightings" link to the Library Page
so you can email sightings directly. Barry, let me know if the form works
for you and if any changes need to be made.
Also in the library, (I don't think I've ever spent so much time in a real library),
you can find all sorts of information on Commanders. Try clicking on
the Find "Any Commander" and scroll down. You'll be surprised. This is updated
daily. Also let me know if Daisy's been helpful at all.
If you would like to make changes or recommendations to the web page, you can do
so annonymously from the mechanics web site...seems like mechanics are always
finding things that don't work.
This page is here for you guys, and if there's anything else that needs to be added,
like a POH, Recommended Aircraft Power Settings or just the occational dancing
girl in the corner of your screen just let us know. We're here to help.
Blue Skies.
Dan
JC - I'll look for a copy of your Hemingway Book, I'd love to
read it.
JB - Welcome back, another story for the web site?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
BlankI have had a new experience.
Last Friday my son(11) and I flew from home(02FA) to Marathon Fl(MTH) for some
father and son hanging out/fishing. We made it round trip, 1+40 each way. As
far as I have been able to detect all pieces and fluids(except 2 quarts of oil)
are still in the designed position and orientation on the machine. What a
joy. This fight represents what would be a 16 hour drive, round trip, including
some of the most dangerous highway in FL, US1 in the Florida Keys.
We even caught some fish.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | GOOD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
HI KIDS.
Things are getting back to normal and went out to the airport to
check on triple 2. I installed the ELT, headset and GPS that I had taken on
the trip and was visiting a friend at his hangar when he said "I hear a
Commander" It took a few seconds for me to hear it but sure enough, there it
was. At first I thought it was Randy Detmeyer and his 680F, but nope. It
was a long wing, bathtub Commander made a beautiful low pass down the
runway!! I have no idea who it was. It was red and white, low fast and
once. Departed to the NW. Man was it cool and sounded
gggggggggrrrrrrrreeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That sounds
like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about anything you
want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
JetPaul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
Good morning Commanderland,
Anybody got a servicable HSI they want to sell? I/m looking to add another
one and need to buy it right.
Thanks for the help
Bill in TN
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Well, you can go through the circuit at 200kts calling downwind, base and
finals and then inform the tower you want to abort and go around, and skim
the tarmac flatout. Again: once only.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That sounds
> like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about anything
you
> want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
>
> JetPaul
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
In a message dated 3/18/03 6:28:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, JETPAUL(at)aol.com
writes:
> You can do just about anything you
> want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
>
Amen, !! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Yeah, Iv'e had two run-ins....both after the second pass!
Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That sounds
like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about anything you
want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
JetPaul
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in heaven.
And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That sounds
> like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about anything
you
> want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
>
> JetPaul
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
heaven.
> And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
> >
> > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
sounds
> > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about anything
> you
> > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> >
> > JetPaul
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Milt,
Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you that my
virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I think
you'll enjoy it" crap.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> heaven.
> > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > Jody
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> sounds
> > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
anything
> > you
> > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > >
> > > JetPaul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Did I mention I repainted my airplane?
Barry
On Monday, March 17, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
>
> HI KIDS.
> Things are getting back to normal and went out to the
> airport to
> check on triple 2. I installed the ELT, headset and GPS that I had
> taken on
> the trip and was visiting a friend at his hangar when he said "I hear a
> Commander" It took a few seconds for me to hear it but sure enough,
> there it
> was. At first I thought it was Randy Detmeyer and his 680F, but nope.
> It
> was a long wing, bathtub Commander made a beautiful low pass down the
> runway!! I have no idea who it was. It was red and white, low fast and
> once. Departed to the NW. Man was it cool and sounded
> gggggggggrrrrrrrreeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttt!! jb
Barry Hancock
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway. Looks
like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Milt,
> Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you that
my
> virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
think
> you'll enjoy it" crap.
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
> >
> > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> > heaven.
> > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > Jody
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> > sounds
> > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> anything
> > > you
> > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > JetPaul
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Milt
sounds good--keep an eye on your incoming mail
john
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway. Looks
> like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > Milt,
> > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you that
> my
> > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
> think
> > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> > > heaven.
> > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > Jody
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> > > sounds
> > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > anything
> > > > you
> > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > JetPaul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
I agree with Captain Milt. If they(Commanders) weren't so much fun we would
shoot them like a mad dogs. And mine doesn't even make a lot of noise.(I
don't think)
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> heaven.
> > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > Jody
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> sounds
> > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
anything
> > you
> > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > >
> > > JetPaul
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Has Milt got a "social disease" again?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Milt,
> Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you that
my
> virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
think
> you'll enjoy it" crap.
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
> >
> > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> > heaven.
> > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > Jody
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> > sounds
> > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> anything
> > > you
> > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > JetPaul
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Not always. These virusses can embed themselves as mailservers on another,
totally unrelated computer and send mail in your name to your buddies. It
may also be that your email address was harvested off the Internet. Mean
stuff, but catching them before they do damage is the trick.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway. Looks
> like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > Milt,
> > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you that
> my
> > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
> think
> > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> > > heaven.
> > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > Jody
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> > > sounds
> > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > anything
> > > > you
> > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > JetPaul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Nico is right.
A program like Norton or McAffee will sort out most of your hassles; scan
e-mails and strip the virus when it arrives, most of the time, unless it is
a really new one. For about $60 it is worth it, especially when you find out
too late and you've lost everything...
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Not always. These virusses can embed themselves as mailservers on another,
> totally unrelated computer and send mail in your name to your buddies. It
> may also be that your email address was harvested off the Internet. Mean
> stuff, but catching them before they do damage is the trick.
>
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
> >
> > Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway. Looks
> > like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Milt,
> > > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you
that
> > my
> > > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
> > think
> > > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > > John
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > > > Milt
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am
in
> > > > heaven.
> > > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > > Jody
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass.
That
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > > anything
> > > > > you
> > > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JetPaul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
try berkshire instruments 800-443-0083. he has narco dgo-10 and hsi 100 that should
be inexpensive and reliable. al hoffman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Yeah,
I went out and got a Bow Job
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Has Milt got a "social disease" again?
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > Milt,
> > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you that
> my
> > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
> think
> > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am in
> > > heaven.
> > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > Jody
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass. That
> > > sounds
> > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > anything
> > > > you
> > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > JetPaul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
Bow describes a recent trip to Marathon but didn"t mention seeing the big
yellow nav beacon?
Milt
----- Original Message -----
From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Milt
> sounds good--keep an eye on your incoming mail
> john
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
> >
> > Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway. Looks
> > like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
> > Milt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Milt,
> > > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you
that
> > my
> > > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
> > think
> > > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > > John
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > > > Milt
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am
in
> > > > heaven.
> > > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > > Jody
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass.
That
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > > anything
> > > > > you
> > > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JetPaul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Lyle" <JLyle(at)magmutual.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
Hey fellow TCFG members, just got some bad news from my A&P. Looks like the engine
mounts on both sides of my AC 520 are broken.
I had six inches of up and down play at the spinner on the left side, scary!
My A&P states that the mounts on the 520 are different from those on the 560 which
are one piece.
Can anyone give me any help/information on this subject?
Where can I go to get the new style mounts?
Will they fit on the AC520?
Any idea on cost?
Has this been a problem on the 520?
Thanks,
James Lyle
N11L
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
Call Morris at 1 510-783-3041
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: James Lyle
To: N414C(at)direcway.com ; commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:36 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Engine Mounts
Hey fellow TCFG members, just got some bad news from my A&P. Looks like the engine
mounts on both sides of my AC 520 are broken.
I had six inches of up and down play at the spinner on the left side, scary!
My A&P states that the mounts on the 520 are different from those on the 560
which are one piece.
Can anyone give me any help/information on this subject?
Where can I go to get the new style mounts?
Will they fit on the AC520?
Any idea on cost?
Has this been a problem on the 520?
Thanks,
James Lyle
N11L
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
James Lyle wrote:
> Can anyone give me any help/information on this subject?
> Where can I go to get the new style mounts?
> Will they fit on the AC520?
> Any idea on cost?
> Has this been a problem on the 520?
Welcome to old airplane ownership James :-)
Engine mount damage isn't that uncommon. These birds are getting pretty
old and the cumulative fatigue and vibration added to the age-hardening
and corrosion of the materials are sure showing up. The 520 mount is a
fairly simple built-up structure and is probably a bit more succeptable
to cracks than the later designs. (just be glad you don't have a
corroded Shrike mount though - a replacement probably costs more than
your airplane!)
You have three basic options: buy new, find something better in a
junkyard, or repair. The mounts were pretty bad on my 520 when I first
acquired it. At that time, TCAC could produce new mounts (bless 'em),
but they were pretty expensive and had a long lead time. The good news
is that the 520 mounts are pretty simple and are fabricated mostly from
just stock material. We just drilled them apart and used the old pieces
as templates to fabricate replacement parts, then reassembled. The
repair shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of any good shop, but I'd
suggest that you might want to be sure your A&P knows a bit about
fabrication techniques and materials first.
Good luck
chris schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
When I worked for Bow Helicopters flying in the high Arctic they had "T"
shirts with the caption "Happiness is a Bow job" referring to the good
flying we pilots did for their clients (just thought I better clarify the
reason for the happiness).
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Yeah,
> I went out and got a Bow Job
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
> >
> > Has Milt got a "social disease" again?
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Milt,
> > > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you
that
> > my
> > > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game. I
> > think
> > > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > > John
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful plane.
> > > > Milt
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am
in
> > > > heaven.
> > > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > > Jody
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass.
That
> > > > sounds
> > > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > > anything
> > > > > you
> > > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JetPaul
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Lyle" <JLyle(at)magmutual.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
Thanks, I'll pass this on to my shop.
<<< cschuerm(at)cox.net 3/19 10:18a >>>
James Lyle wrote:
> Can anyone give me any help/information on this subject?
> Where can I go to get the new style mounts?
> Will they fit on the AC520?
> Any idea on cost?
> Has this been a problem on the 520?
Welcome to old airplane ownership James :-)
Engine mount damage isn't that uncommon. These birds are getting pretty
old and the cumulative fatigue and vibration added to the age-hardening
and corrosion of the materials are sure showing up. The 520 mount is a
fairly simple built-up structure and is probably a bit more succeptable
to cracks than the later designs. (just be glad you don't have a
corroded Shrike mount though - a replacement probably costs more than
your airplane!)
You have three basic options: buy new, find something better in a
junkyard, or repair. The mounts were pretty bad on my 520 when I first
acquired it. At that time, TCAC could produce new mounts (bless 'em),
but they were pretty expensive and had a long lead time. The good news
is that the 520 mounts are pretty simple and are fabricated mostly from
just stock material. We just drilled them apart and used the old pieces
as templates to fabricate replacement parts, then reassembled. The
repair shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of any good shop, but I'd
suggest that you might want to be sure your A&P knows a bit about
fabrication techniques and materials first.
Good luck
chris schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
I had a great dinner with the Big Yellow Nav Beacon's keeper, his lovely
wife and their young son. In addition to dinner, "the keeper" put us onto a
back country guide who knew where the fish were.
In attendance last weekend at MTH were our 500A, the Big Yellow Nav
Beacon(560), 120EK(690), and 28TC(690). That was in ascending order of
performance. It could have been a fly in.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Bow describes a recent trip to Marathon but didn"t mention seeing the big
> yellow nav beacon?
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > Milt
> > sounds good--keep an eye on your incoming mail
> > john
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway.
Looks
> > > like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Milt,
> > > > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you
> that
> > > my
> > > > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game.
I
> > > think
> > > > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > > > John
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful
plane.
> > > > > Milt
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am
> in
> > > > > heaven.
> > > > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > > > Jody
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass.
> That
> > > > > sounds
> > > > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > > > anything
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JetPaul
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
One question was not answered. Is it the same as a 560? or 560A
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Lyle" <JLyle(at)magmutual.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Engine Mounts
>
> Thanks, I'll pass this on to my shop.
>
> <<< cschuerm(at)cox.net 3/19 10:18a >>>
>
>
> James Lyle wrote:
> > Can anyone give me any help/information on this subject?
> > Where can I go to get the new style mounts?
> > Will they fit on the AC520?
> > Any idea on cost?
> > Has this been a problem on the 520?
>
> Welcome to old airplane ownership James :-)
>
> Engine mount damage isn't that uncommon. These birds are getting pretty
> old and the cumulative fatigue and vibration added to the age-hardening
> and corrosion of the materials are sure showing up. The 520 mount is a
> fairly simple built-up structure and is probably a bit more succeptable
> to cracks than the later designs. (just be glad you don't have a
> corroded Shrike mount though - a replacement probably costs more than
> your airplane!)
> You have three basic options: buy new, find something better in a
> junkyard, or repair. The mounts were pretty bad on my 520 when I first
> acquired it. At that time, TCAC could produce new mounts (bless 'em),
> but they were pretty expensive and had a long lead time. The good news
> is that the 520 mounts are pretty simple and are fabricated mostly from
> just stock material. We just drilled them apart and used the old pieces
> as templates to fabricate replacement parts, then reassembled. The
> repair shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of any good shop, but I'd
> suggest that you might want to be sure your A&P knows a bit about
> fabrication techniques and materials first.
>
> Good luck
> chris schuermann
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
No it isn't the same. a 520 engine mount fits an 435
and a 560 has a mount for an lyc480.
they are different.
frits abbing
--- Bill Bow wrote:
>
>
> One question was not answered. Is it the same as a
> 560? or 560A
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Lyle" <JLyle(at)magmutual.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Engine Mounts
>
>
>
> >
> > Thanks, I'll pass this on to my shop.
> >
> > <<< cschuerm(at)cox.net 3/19 10:18a >>>
> Schuermann
> >
> >
> > James Lyle wrote:
> > > Can anyone give me any help/information on this
> subject?
> > > Where can I go to get the new style mounts?
> > > Will they fit on the AC520?
> > > Any idea on cost?
> > > Has this been a problem on the 520?
> >
> > Welcome to old airplane ownership James :-)
> >
> > Engine mount damage isn't that uncommon. These
> birds are getting pretty
> > old and the cumulative fatigue and vibration added
> to the age-hardening
> > and corrosion of the materials are sure showing
> up. The 520 mount is a
> > fairly simple built-up structure and is probably a
> bit more succeptable
> > to cracks than the later designs. (just be glad
> you don't have a
> > corroded Shrike mount though - a replacement
> probably costs more than
> > your airplane!)
> > You have three basic options: buy new, find
> something better in a
> > junkyard, or repair. The mounts were pretty bad
> on my 520 when I first
> > acquired it. At that time, TCAC could produce new
> mounts (bless 'em),
> > but they were pretty expensive and had a long lead
> time. The good news
> > is that the 520 mounts are pretty simple and are
> fabricated mostly from
> > just stock material. We just drilled them apart
> and used the old pieces
> > as templates to fabricate replacement parts, then
> reassembled. The
> > repair shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of any
> good shop, but I'd
> > suggest that you might want to be sure your A&P
> knows a bit about
> > fabrication techniques and materials first.
> >
> > Good luck
> > chris schuermann
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
What is inexpensive for an HSI ?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re:Commander-List: Need HSI
>
> try berkshire instruments 800-443-0083. he has narco dgo-10 and hsi 100
that should be inexpensive and reliable. al hoffman
>
>
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
Frits Abbing wrote:
> No it isn't the same. a 520 engine mount fits an 435
> and a 560 has a mount for an lyc480.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia which might be useful to some of you
520 owners. There are basicly two types of GO-480 cases - rear mount
accessories and side mount. (if memory serves, both the 560 and 560A
have side-mount accessories, but I could be mistaken on the 560).
Anyway, the basic rear-accessory case is virtually identical to the
GO-435 case except for some additional webbing between the halves right
above the oil pan. (The pan is the bottom structure on the 435.) You
can build up a 435 using a 480 case. Both cases have the same engine
mount attach points as well. A 480 gearbox also will go right on a 435
an is superior due to the larger and stronger gearset.
chris schuermann
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
So the mounts are the same?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Engine Mounts
>
>
> Frits Abbing wrote:
> > No it isn't the same. a 520 engine mount fits an 435
> > and a 560 has a mount for an lyc480.
>
> Here's an interesting bit of trivia which might be useful to some of you
> 520 owners. There are basicly two types of GO-480 cases - rear mount
> accessories and side mount. (if memory serves, both the 560 and 560A
> have side-mount accessories, but I could be mistaken on the 560).
> Anyway, the basic rear-accessory case is virtually identical to the
> GO-435 case except for some additional webbing between the halves right
> above the oil pan. (The pan is the bottom structure on the 435.) You
> can build up a 435 using a 480 case. Both cases have the same engine
> mount attach points as well. A 480 gearbox also will go right on a 435
> an is superior due to the larger and stronger gearset.
>
> chris schuermann
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Stephen Crow <k4cpx(at)arrl.net> |
DGO-10 HSI electric, NARCO, AS-IS
This is an old NARCO HSI DGO-10. It is an non-slaved electric HSI. It will
basically only work with NARCO Nav/Com's. IT is in need of a OVERHAUL. IT will
be your responsibility to find someone that can work on this unit. AS-IS. NO
WARRENTY.
Price $400.00
Avionics Shop, Inc.
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Hey Milt there is something wrong with your ISP. They are returning your
mail.
bilbo
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
Bill Bow wrote:
>
> So the mounts are the same?
No. Although the two _engines_ can be mounted the same way, the 520 and
560 aircraft use different mounts. Sadly, they're not directly
interchangable as Commander mounted other items (bellcranks for
throttle/mixture,etc) on the mounts in different areas.
chris
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Mounts |
OH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Engine Mounts
>
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
> >
> > So the mounts are the same?
>
> No. Although the two _engines_ can be mounted the same way, the 520 and
> 560 aircraft use different mounts. Sadly, they're not directly
> interchangable as Commander mounted other items (bellcranks for
> throttle/mixture,etc) on the mounts in different areas.
>
> chris
>
>
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| From: | "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander |
We got together for dinner while he was here. Had a good time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
> Bow describes a recent trip to Marathon but didn"t mention seeing the big
> yellow nav beacon?
> Milt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
>
>
>
> >
> > Milt
> > sounds good--keep an eye on your incoming mail
> > john
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Got a virus check on all e mail in and out but did a sweep anyway.
Looks
> > > like someone with us in the address book has a bug.
> > > Milt
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John D Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Milt,
> > > > Might want to check your machine. I just received an email from you
> that
> > > my
> > > > virus software caught. It was the typical----"Check out my new game.
I
> > > think
> > > > you'll enjoy it" crap.
> > > > John
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "N414C" <N414C(at)direcway.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Get used to the compliments. You have a unique and beautiful
plane.
> > > > > Milt
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jody & Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just got 411VV home and it is hard to make just one pass. I am
> in
> > > > > heaven.
> > > > > > And I always get compliments when I get back on the ground.
> > > > > > Jody
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <JETPAUL(at)aol.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: I heard, and then saw a Commander
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See JB, you don't always have to go back for the photo pass.
> That
> > > > > sounds
> > > > > > > like a smart guy, out for a little fun. You can do just about
> > > > anything
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > want to in an airplane, ONCE!!!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JetPaul
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Milt,
This is what I get when I send you something.
bilbo
----------
from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]
----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
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| From: | Randy Dettmer <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Great Seattle Trip |
C:\DOCUME~1\USER\MYDOCU~1\MYPICT~1\SEATTL~1\P3190018.JPG;
Just got back from a great trip up to the Pacific Northwest. Departed SBP
(San Luis Obispo, CA) in my trusty 680F (N6253X) Monday 0630 for CCR
(Concord, CA) to pick up my client Tom. Then on to LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)
for a fuel stop, and on to AWO (Arlington, WA) to meet up with the fine
folks at Air Matrix. Started out with headwinds of about 30 knots...finally
dissapated south of Seattle. Total time SBP to AWO about 4 hrs 20 min. Met
at AWO by Bill Williams, Kelly Piper, and the Air Matrix crew...they even
had lunch waiting for us. Bill and gang are restoring a 560A, which is
absolutely beautiful. They run a first rate organization of software
engineering, avionics testing & installation, flight testing, and full blown
airframe & overhaul shop run by John Puckett...really enjoyed touring their
immaculate facilities.
After visiting a construction project in Seattle on Monday & Tuesday
morning, the rain stopped and the weather cleared up so I could fly 53X over
to San Juan Island to visit another project site at Roche Harbor (a custom
home and attached hangar). Wow...the San Juan's looked spectacular, and
after lunch at picturesque Friday Harbor, I was headed back to AWO on
Tuesday Afternoon. Wednesday morning John Puckett hooked up the Air Matrix
tug to 53X, pulled her out of the hangar, we said our goodbyes to our hosts,
and headed south into cloudy skies. Can you believe it...headwinds again.
This time 40 to 50 knots on the nose. Another gas stop at LMT, dropped off
Tom at CCR, and home to SBP Wednesday afternoon. 10.9 hours on the hobbs,
and a ton of great memories. Thanks to Air Matrix for their great
Washington State hospitality.
Attached are photos of Bill & Kelly in front of 53X, and the gorgeous 560A
under construction. Check out the Air Matrix website at www.air-matrix.com.
Only downside to the trip was not being able to hook up with Captain
JimBob...we just kept trading voicemail messages...maybe next time Jim..??
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | How many 680FP Aero Commanders are there? |
Fellow Commander Drivers:
The new web page is really great. While checking our the FAA registry
through the link I found that there were only three 680F(P) aircraft listed,
however my plane (N680RR) is listed as a 680F.
Does anyone (Barry) have any idea about how many 680F(p) aircraft might still
be in the air? There were only 46 built according to the "Guide to the Piston
Powered Aero Commanders" list?
Best regards,
Moe
N680RR
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| From: | "Nico van Niekerk" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Great Seattle Trip C:\DOCUME~1\USER\MYDOCU~1\MYPICT~1\SEATTL~1\P3190018.JPG; |
Randy,
Help me out here if you will. Several emails on this list refer to pictures
that one can view, but I just cannot find them anywhere. They are not in the
photo archives. Do you guys upload them elsewhere and if so, is it possible
to let me know where?
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Great Seattle Trip
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>
> Just got back from a great trip up to the Pacific Northwest. Departed SBP
> (San Luis Obispo, CA) in my trusty 680F (N6253X) Monday 0630 for CCR
> (Concord, CA) to pick up my client Tom. Then on to LMT (Klamath Falls,
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