Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bb
August 03, 2003 - October 09, 2003
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Hi Everyone!
I would like to see whether anybody attending the Fly-In next month wil be
heading back near or to the Oklahoma City area and if so, whether they would
have room for me to hitch a ride.
I will, of course, be more than happy to chip in with a fuel-cost contribution
and there will be no charge for the number of new jokes you hear, but a mention
in the book you could then publish will be reward enough!
I will need to book my commercial flights pretty soon, so would sure appreciate
knowing whether anyone can assist.
In the meantime,
Very Best Regards to All,
Barry C. (UK)
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
The flyin registration is far better that any previous event
but still way behind expectations. This will be the best ever!! The program
is really amazing. John Bosch has put together a great speaker list from
industry leaders. If you have any interest in any Commanders (and you must or
you
would not be on this list) this event is a MUST!! This entire event is put
together just for you, the Commander enthusiast.
There is just a little more that a month to go, so the time to
register is NOW! Don't wait. Carve the time out of you busy schedule and come
learn, eat and have fun! Thanks jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | COMMANDER SIGHTINGS |
HI KIDS.
I was in SEA this weekend and had the pleasure of parking in
the company of a couple of turbo Commanders. The day we all, spontaneously,
decided to leave, was nearly a formation TO. The 690 left first, followed by
my 680E and the a 980 (with a cargo door) It was pretty cool!! jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Aero Commander 520 parts-non flight worthy. |
From: BobShelley(at)aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:08:31 EDT
Subject: Aero Commander 520 parts-non flight worthy.
Greetings. My name is Robert D. (Bob) Shelley and I am a volunteer at the
March Field Air Museum in Riverside, California. I am responsible for the
restoration of Aero-Commander 520-21 which is listed as a U-4 or U-9. So far I
have
managed to acquire new windows and some interior pieces but need much more.
Maybe you can direct me to a repair facility which might be willing to sell, or
donate, some of the non flight worthy replacement parts I need. For example the
door restraint is missing as well as all of the wire supports for the
overhead fabric... not to mention that all of the fabric was mildewed and rotten
when
I took responsibility for the aircraft. I have the IPL so part numbers will
not be a problem. I appreciate any assistance you may be able to give. Thank
you,
Bob Shelley
(909) 359-8929 Home
(909) 597-1734 Work
Greetings. My name is Robert D. (Bob) Shelley and I am a volunteer at the March
Field Air Museum in Riverside, California. I am responsible for the restoration
of Aero-Commander 520-21 which is listed as a=20U-4 or U-9. So far I have managed
to acquire new windows and some interior pieces but need much more. Maybe
you can direct me to a repair facility which might be willing to sell, or donate,
some of the non flight worthy replacement parts I need. For example the
door restraint is missing as well as all of the wire supports for the overhead
fabric... not to mention=20that all of the fabric was mildewed and rotten when
I took responsibility for the aircraft. I have the IPL so part numbers will
not be a problem. I appreciate any assistance you may be able to give. Thank
you,
Bob Shelley
(909) 359-8929 Home
(909) 597-1734 Work
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| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com |
Hallo there,
I planned to participate in the fly in this year with
N444WA #1273-95,just to find myself diagnosed with
cancer.
I have no choice but to sell the Commander 500A.
(2900h) Interested?
Have a great fly in.
I try to stay informed via your e-mails.
Regards
Urs J.Frey
urs_frey(at)yahoo.com
vchthi --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > -->
Commander-List message posted by:
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> The flyin registration is far better
> that any previous event
> but still way behind expectations. This will be the
> best ever!! The program
> is really amazing. John Bosch has put together a
> great speaker list from
> industry leaders. If you have any interest in any
> Commanders (and you must or you
> would not be on this list) this event is a MUST!!
> This entire event is put
> together just for you, the Commander enthusiast.
> There is just a little more that a month to
> go, so the time to
> register is NOW! Don't wait. Carve the time out of
> you busy schedule and come
> learn, eat and have fun! Thanks jb
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Urs Frey
Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Commander Man of the Year candidate |
| From: | tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com |
08/04/2003 04:16:59 PM
Al Hoffman flew his beautiful 500 into Louisville ( to attend the Street
Rod Convention) on his way back from Oshkosh. "Commander-starved" as we are
here, my son and I did not want to miss meeting Al and seeing his plane.
Upon meeting them at Bowman Field, Al graciously offered a
"once-around-the-patch" ride. When I told him that my Dad had flown in one
of the prototypes (#1946) he said he would be welcome to ride too!! I
quickly called my 85 year old Dad and Al had his chief pilot "Mad-Dog" (his
real name is Dave, who does not even keep track of his hours anymore!) give
us a 175-knot tour of the eastern part of the county!! My how our shadow
danced across the countryside at 1,500 ft and 165 kts.!!! It's been 35
years since I flew with Dad in a commander!!!! Dad's bad hearing and Dave
wearing the only set of earphones made things interesting!!!! Eventhough we
were "a little hot and a little high" Dave let Dad bring her in for a good
landing (not quite a "squeaker" but above average!). Dad turned to Dave and
said, "It's really not hard to make a good landing in a commander!" I told
Dad later he could make another entry (unofficially) in his logbook.
(13,000 hrs. and counting!!)
On take off, once we got straightened out and Dad "poured on the coal", the
sound of those big twin engines harkened me back 35 years when we would
takeoff on a 1,500 ft grass strip in rural Kentucky - man what a feeling!!
I really thought I might have to wait til my retirement years (no more
college, weddings, etc.) to pay someone to bring their plane in to take me
for a ride, nevermind having Dad fly too. The Giver of All Good Gifts sent
Al Hoffman to make this earthbond soul's dream come true - AND IT WAS MORE
THAN I COULD HAVE IMAGINED !!
I told Al I would name my next kid after him if that was OK for the
kindness and generosity he had shown me and mine!!!!!!!
He is already Man of the Year in our book and if there is a contest at the
fly-in I would like to nominate him!!!
So Al ............... this may sound trite but, thanks for the memories!!
Still basking in the afterglow,
Tom Kinnaird
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Sorry to hear about it, Urs. That's a bummer. Hope treatment will help. Pray
for cure.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN
>
> Hallo there,
> I planned to participate in the fly in this year with
> N444WA #1273-95,just to find myself diagnosed with
> cancer.
> I have no choice but to sell the Commander 500A.
> (2900h) Interested?
>
> Have a great fly in.
> I try to stay informed via your e-mails.
> Regards
> Urs J.Frey
> urs_frey(at)yahoo.com
>
>
> vchthi --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > -->
> > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > The flyin registration is far better
> > that any previous event
> > but still way behind expectations. This will be the
> > best ever!! The program
> > is really amazing. John Bosch has put together a
> > great speaker list from
> > industry leaders. If you have any interest in any
> > Commanders (and you must or you
> > would not be on this list) this event is a MUST!!
> > This entire event is put
> > together just for you, the Commander enthusiast.
> > There is just a little more that a month to
> > go, so the time to
> > register is NOW! Don't wait. Carve the time out of
> > you busy schedule and come
> > learn, eat and have fun! Thanks jb
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > latest messages.
> > List members.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> =====
> Urs Frey
>
> Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
>
>
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| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Urs Commander 4 Sale |
Urs,
Sorry to hear the news.
Where can I see your 500A?
Thanks,
Gary Tillman.
Ps. Sold mine...need another!
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| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com |
Thanks Nico, I will fight, but the Multiple Myeloma is
a difficult cancer to control.
Urs
--- css nico wrote: > -->
Commander-List message posted by: "css nico"
>
>
> Sorry to hear about it, Urs. That's a bummer. Hope
> treatment will help. Pray
> for cure.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN
>
>
> >
> > Hallo there,
> > I planned to participate in the fly in this year
> with
> > N444WA #1273-95,just to find myself diagnosed with
> > cancer.
> > I have no choice but to sell the Commander 500A.
> > (2900h) Interested?
> >
> > Have a great fly in.
> > I try to stay informed via your e-mails.
> > Regards
> > Urs J.Frey
> > urs_frey(at)yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > vchthi --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > -->
> > > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> > >
> > > HI KIDS.
> > >
> > > The flyin registration is far
> better
> > > that any previous event
> > > but still way behind expectations. This will be
> the
> > > best ever!! The program
> > > is really amazing. John Bosch has put together
> a
> > > great speaker list from
> > > industry leaders. If you have any interest in
> any
> > > Commanders (and you must or you
> > > would not be on this list) this event is a
> MUST!!
> > > This entire event is put
> > > together just for you, the Commander enthusiast.
> > > There is just a little more that a month
> to
> > > go, so the time to
> > > register is NOW! Don't wait. Carve the time
> out of
> > > you busy schedule and come
> > > learn, eat and have fun! Thanks jb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Contributions
> > > any other
> > > Forums.
> > >
> > > latest messages.
> > > List members.
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> > > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > =====
> > Urs Frey
> >
> > Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Urs Frey
Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
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| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: Urs Commander 4 Sale |
Hi Tillman,
It is parked at Banyan Ft.Lauderdale Executive.
It has insurance and can be flown by pilots with TT
1500 and valid FIR.
Insurance CHF 8000000.- + US$ 5,950000.-
Regards
Urs Frey Tel. (715) 359 7959
--- TILLMAN333(at)aol.com wrote: > --> Commander-List
message posted by:
> TILLMAN333(at)aol.com
>
> Urs,
> Sorry to hear the news.
> Where can I see your 500A?
> Thanks,
> Gary Tillman.
> Ps. Sold mine...need another!
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Urs Frey
Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Is anyone on the list involved in this?
http://bizben.com/details.php?ListingID=17162&resultsDisp=1
(Just curious)
Nico
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/4/2003 12:02:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com writes:
> I planned to participate in the fly in this year with
> N444WA #1273-95,just to find myself diagnosed with
> cancer.
>
I am so sorry to hear this. God speed. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I thought some might enjoy knowing that another old Commander
is back in action. I signed off the annual inspection on N70D last week. It
is a great 560A-HC and belongs to Ernie Martin in Sandpoint Idaho. It now
has the "Heavy Hartzell" propellers on it and flies great!! I was able to fly
it briefly. Viva La Commander!!
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Hi gang,
My ISP upgraded his server the weekend before last. Since then, every email to
people using AOL has been rejected. I'm not sure when this is going to be fixed!
Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so would like
to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
Best Wishes,
Barry C.
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
Barry Collman wrote:
> Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so would like
> to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
same here Barry
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
NO, not me.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Is it me?
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> My ISP upgraded his server the weekend before last. Since then, every
email to
> people using AOL has been rejected. I'm not sure when this is going to be
fixed!
>
> Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so
would like
> to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Barry C.
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Correction...I cannot get into www.aerocommander.com website either.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is it me?
>
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
> > Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so
would like
> > to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
>
> same here Barry
>
>
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Thanks Tom, and Chris (Schuermann).
At least I now know that the two problems are not related. Trying to access the
website gives me a "Cannot find server or DNS error" message. However, I seem to
recall that when trying from work, an "access denied" message was also there
somewhere.
Is Chris Wall 'listening in'? Is there a problem with the website Chris?
Capt JimBob.
I can't email you direct, as all my emails to AOL are bouncing back. I will be
at Dayton though! I will email you again direct when I'm able to, as I've got
some explaining to do!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is it me?
|
| Correction...I cannot get into www.aerocommander.com website either.
| Tom F.
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is it me?
|
|
| >
| >
| > Barry Collman wrote:
| > > Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so
| would like
| > > to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
| >
| > same here Barry
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/5/2003 2:37:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> Capt JimBob.
> I can't email you direct, as all my emails to AOL are bouncing back. I will
> be
> at Dayton though! I will email you again direct when I'm able to, as I've
> got
> some explaining to do!
>
HI BARRY.
I am counting on you!! I can give you a ride to OKC if all
else fails. I will try to contact Chris or Dan about the site, sorry for the
interruption jb
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Now, the www.aerocommander.com site is down from here also. I pinged the
site and it responds well, so it appears to be the webserver that's down.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is it me?
>
> Correction...I cannot get into www.aerocommander.com website either.
> Tom F.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is it me?
>
>
> >
> >
> > Barry Collman wrote:
> > > Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so
> would like
> > > to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
> >
> > same here Barry
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Nope.
Nico
PS. I can keep you busy with my other problems if you wish. :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Is it me?
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi gang,
>
> My ISP upgraded his server the weekend before last. Since then, every
email to
> people using AOL has been rejected. I'm not sure when this is going to be
fixed!
>
> Also, I cannot seem to get into the www.aerocommander.com website, so
would like
> to see whether anyone else is experiencng the same problem?
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Barry C.
>
>
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| From: | rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au |
G'day all!
No problems getting into the website from downunder. Email is fine.
Getting in is easier of course from an inverted state!
Cheers
Russell
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
From: Jeff Cousins <jcousins(at)twincommander.com>
Subject: FW:
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:54:43 -0700
Jeff Cousins
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Janaitis [mailto:jimjan(at)us.ibm.com]
Subject:
Hello Jeff
My name is Jim Janaitis and I am seeking some advise on how to find an
owner with an early twin commander. I am looking for an early aircraft
that we could use as a backdrop for a 50th anniversary celebration. I work
for a corporate flight department that started 50 years ago with two Aero
Commanders. We a replanning a celebration featuring our first aircraft and
our latest Gulfstream V. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
As a side bar, I flew a 690B for two years in small package freight and
absolutely loved that aircraft which I obtain my multi engine rating in.
Jim Janaitis
Aircraft Maintenance Manager
IBM Flight Operations, Hangar W
Westchester County Airport, White Plains, NY
PHONE: 914-499-2993 ; FAX:499-2929; T/L: 641
jimjan(at)us.ibm.com
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
06 August, 04:20 Zulu, via A.O.Hell -- got right to the Aero Commander
website.
Sir Barry, send me an email and I'll let you know if I don't get it.
Wait, that won't work, will it?
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Formation takeoff |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> I was in SEA this weekend and had the pleasure of
> parking in
> the company of a couple of turbo Commanders. The day we all,
> spontaneously,
> decided to leave, was nearly a formation TO. The 690 left first,
> followed by
> my 680E and the a 980 (with a cargo door) It was pretty cool!! jb
Yeah, but THAT formation TO didn't rattle any windows, JB. :)
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Formation takeoff |
In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:34:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
> Yeah, but THAT formation TO didn't rattle any windows, JB. :)
>
Not like yours and mine!!!
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| From: | "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com> |
Hey Guys,
Thanks for the Notice. As a few of you know, the web page was inaccessible for
a few hours yesterday afternoon from several sources. The problem has been fixed.
If you would like more details please email directly.
There will be new services available soon on the Aerocommander.com website as well
as a few redesign changes. It has been six months, 186 days, since the launch
of the new website. Here are a few statistics:
8914 Total Unique Users
319 Most unique users in one day
31 Average users in one day
The most used computer platform:
Windwos 98SE, IE Explorer, 1024x768 screen resolution
Most frequented web pages:
HOMEPAGE
AIRCRAFT FOR SALE
LIBRARY
MECHANICS
PILOTS
Least used web pages:
Plane of the Season
Commander Tales
PHOTO GALLERY
Daisy still has NOT been found fooling around with Waldo somewhere on the web page.
The first person to find Waldo still receives a free day pass to the Dayton
Wright Brothers Museum... unless i find him first...
Blue Skies.
Dan
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG convention
this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I want to share
some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees. TLC FOR
TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR COMMANDERS,
Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP AVIONICS,
Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT TRAINING, Jerry
Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681 Owner.
NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division. UPGRADING
PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH ATLANTIC IN A
SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS, John Towner
Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL AND AGING
AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent together
FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of flight
celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
I have discovered that running this group is not unlike herding frogs.
The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying) is
reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it challenging to
"herd"
any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of you on
this list who would really enjoy and need the information and camaraderie that
will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this is your
"Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Capt. Jimbob,
I need to get some info on the flyin. My annual is due 9/1, but Morris is
prepared to get it done quickly so I can fly to the event!
Looks like I'll be able to make it!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
convention
> this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I want to
share
> some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees. TLC FOR
> TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
COMMANDERS,
> Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
AVIONICS,
> Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT TRAINING,
Jerry
> Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
Owner.
> NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
UPGRADING
> PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH ATLANTIC
IN A
> SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS, John
Towner
> Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL AND
AGING
> AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
together
> FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of flight
> celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> I have discovered that running this group is not unlike herding
frogs.
> The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying) is
> reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
challenging to "herd"
> any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of you
on
> this list who would really enjoy and need the information and camaraderie
that
> will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this is your
> "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight
Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Dear Urs.
I am sorry to hear about your health, will keep you in our prayers and God speed.
I would like some more info on your TC if you can email me.
Sincerely,
dan farmer
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com wrote:
Hallo there,
I planned to participate in the fly in this year with
N444WA #1273-95,just to find myself diagnosed with
cancer.
I have no choice but to sell the Commander 500A.
(2900h) Interested?
Have a great fly in.
I try to stay informed via your e-mails.
Regards
Urs J.Frey
urs_frey(at)yahoo.com
vchthi --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > -->
Commander-List message posted by:
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> The flyin registration is far better
> that any previous event
> but still way behind expectations. This will be the
> best ever!! The program
> is really amazing. John Bosch has put together a
> great speaker list from
> industry leaders. If you have any interest in any
> Commanders (and you must or you
> would not be on this list) this event is a MUST!!
> This entire event is put
> together just for you, the Commander enthusiast.
> There is just a little more that a month to
> go, so the time to
> register is NOW! Don't wait. Carve the time out of
> you busy schedule and come
> learn, eat and have fun! Thanks jb
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> latest messages.
> List members.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
=====
Urs Frey
Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/6/2003 3:01:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> Looks like I'll be able to make it!
>
Yippee!! (He will probably call me to sign it off!). It will be great to
see you again. I can fax the registration to you, or, your next (very soon to
be mailed) newsletter will have one in it. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I know I am unable to make it.
I wish someone would make a concerted effort to make a non amateur video
recording of the speakers, it's not hard to do.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
convention
> this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I want to
share
> some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees. TLC FOR
> TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
COMMANDERS,
> Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
AVIONICS,
> Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT TRAINING,
Jerry
> Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
Owner.
> NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
UPGRADING
> PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH ATLANTIC
IN A
> SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS, John
Towner
> Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL AND
AGING
> AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
together
> FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of flight
> celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> I have discovered that running this group is not unlike herding
frogs.
> The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying) is
> reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
challenging to "herd"
> any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of you
on
> this list who would really enjoy and need the information and camaraderie
that
> will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this is your
> "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight
Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Hi Urs,
Remember me?
We are still hungry for a high-wing twin resource for this summer of Search
and Rescue in Vancouver, Canada.
Just this morning (at 02:00 hrs.local) we were tasked to fly 10 fire
fighters 139 nm to Vernon, BC to help spell off other fire fighters that
have been on shift for 14 hours with the fires, we do more than just Search
& Rescue.
I am still seeking a 680FLP to replace the 500B but I have not done so yet,
I am still accumulating a down payment after my Ex took my life savings (old
story). I have a good monthly cash flow just no large down payment. I have
applied for Government funding for my non-profit Society to purchase a
plane.
If you want it shaken down for a few months before you sell it I have a
place for you to do it.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN
>
> Hallo there,
> I planned to participate in the fly in this year with
> N444WA #1273-95,just to find myself diagnosed with
> cancer.
> I have no choice but to sell the Commander 500A.
> (2900h) Interested?
>
> Have a great fly in.
> I try to stay informed via your e-mails.
> Regards
> Urs J.Frey
> urs_frey(at)yahoo.com
>
>
> vchthi --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > -->
> > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > The flyin registration is far better
> > that any previous event
> > but still way behind expectations. This will be the
> > best ever!! The program
> > is really amazing. John Bosch has put together a
> > great speaker list from
> > industry leaders. If you have any interest in any
> > Commanders (and you must or you
> > would not be on this list) this event is a MUST!!
> > This entire event is put
> > together just for you, the Commander enthusiast.
> > There is just a little more that a month to
> > go, so the time to
> > register is NOW! Don't wait. Carve the time out of
> > you busy schedule and come
> > learn, eat and have fun! Thanks jb
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > latest messages.
> > List members.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> =====
> Urs Frey
>
> Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: Formation takeoff |
That formation take-off...Tyler and I are still having ear treatment!!
Wasn't that a 4 engine 680E??
Cheers
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Gang!
Looks like a great set of speakers.
Can I just single one out? It's John Towner. In case you're not familiar with
the name, John's company, Central Air, operate about 35 piston Commanders (+ 1
Turbo) from Kansas City. I had the extreme pleasure to meet him a few years ago.
He is Commander through & through and I'm sure his talk will be one of the most
informative and interesting you're ever likely to hear.
So, don't delay - get your Registration in for the Fly-In............ NOW!!
See Y'all there,
Best Regards,
Barry C (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
|
| HI KIDS.
|
| Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG convention
| this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I want to
share
| some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees. TLC FOR
| TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR COMMANDERS,
| Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP AVIONICS,
| Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT TRAINING, Jerry
| Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681 Owner.
| NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division. UPGRADING
| PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH ATLANTIC IN A
| SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS, John
Towner
| Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL AND AGING
| AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
| John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent together
| FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of flight
| celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
| I have discovered that running this group is not unlike herding frogs.
| The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying) is
| reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it challenging to
"herd"
| any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
| We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of you on
| this list who would really enjoy and need the information and camaraderie that
| will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this is your
| "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
| Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Web Page Update |
Thanks Dan!
I wasn't able to access the site for a number of days, hence the posting on the
chatlist.
All seems to be back to 'service as usual' now though.
See you at Dayton?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Web Page Update
|
| Hey Guys,
|
| Thanks for the Notice. As a few of you know, the web page was inaccessible
for a few hours yesterday afternoon from several sources. The problem has been
fixed. If you would like more details please email directly.
|
|
| There will be new services available soon on the Aerocommander.com website as
well as a few redesign changes. It has been six months, 186 days, since the
launch of the new website. Here are a few statistics:
|
|
| 8914 Total Unique Users
| 319 Most unique users in one day
| 31 Average users in one day
|
| The most used computer platform:
| Windwos 98SE, IE Explorer, 1024x768 screen resolution
|
| Most frequented web pages:
| HOMEPAGE
| AIRCRAFT FOR SALE
| LIBRARY
| MECHANICS
| PILOTS
|
| Least used web pages:
| Plane of the Season
| Commander Tales
| PHOTO GALLERY
|
| Daisy still has NOT been found fooling around with Waldo somewhere on the web
page. The first person to find Waldo still receives a free day pass to the
Dayton Wright Brothers Museum... unless i find him first...
|
| Blue Skies.
| Dan
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/7/2003 10:31:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> So, don't delay - get your Registration in for the Fly-In............ NOW!!
THANKS BARRY!! We now have members confirmed from Australia, Canada and
Australia. It will be a great gathering!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi guys,
Well, it seems that AOL have blocked any 'air-britain.co.uk' users because
presumably they think we are a commercial organisation about to overload the
system with spam.
In fact there are are only about a dozen people using that account, all of them
aircraft nuts like myself.
We did have the same problem a couple of years ago, but that seemed to go away.
If anybody knows anybody at AOL, can they see if they can get us back 'on-line'?
AOL are apparently ignoring pleas from the company whose server we use.
Can anybody help?
Has anybody got some suggestions?
Rather ironic that they sponsor a Commander on a round-the-World flight, but
deny kindred spirits the use of their email facility!
Don't get me wrong. Anything to block spam is OK in my book, but please don't
let it affect innocent users!
Barry C. (UK)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Photo collection? |
Is anyone familiar with this guy's site?
http://www.bobsairdoc.com/fotopaakcatalog.pdf
I was trying to locate information on a particular aircraft that has a tail
number N400VA which looks like an experimental with twin turboprop (pusher
props) parked at Camarillo CA. It's not in flying condition and has been
there for ages already. When I searched the Internet, N400VA came up as a
Douglas DC6. I will take some pics next week and post them for you to look
at.
Let us know about the flyin. Especially Tom's request for a videotape.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
> I know I am unable to make it.
> I wish someone would make a concerted effort to make a non amateur video
> recording of the speakers, it's not hard to do.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
>
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
> convention
> > this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I want
to
> share
> > some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees. TLC
FOR
> > TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
> COMMANDERS,
> > Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
> AVIONICS,
> > Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT TRAINING,
> Jerry
> > Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
> Owner.
> > NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
> UPGRADING
> > PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH ATLANTIC
> IN A
> > SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS,
John
> Towner
> > Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL AND
> AGING
> > AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> > John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
> together
> > FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of flight
> > celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> > I have discovered that running this group is not unlike herding
> frogs.
> > The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying) is
> > reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
> challenging to "herd"
> > any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> > We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of you
> on
> > this list who would really enjoy and need the information and
camaraderie
> that
> > will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this is
your
> > "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> > Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight
> Group
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "StephenC" <k4cpx(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Photo collection? |
from Steve C.
N400VA is Deregistered
Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 4-38 Type Registration Individual
Manufacturer Name GLASER-DIRKS Certificate Issue Date 08/14/1986
Model DG-400 Mode S Code 51127175
Year Manufacturer None Cancel Date 08/30/2000
Reason for Cancellation Exported Exported To CANADA
Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration
Name STUART JOACHIM P
Street 30487 GANADO DR
City RNCHO PLS VRD State CALIFORNIA Zip Code
90275-6276
County LOS ANGELES
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
None
Other Owner Names
None
----- Original Message -----
From: css nico
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Photo collection?
Is anyone familiar with this guy's site?
http://www.bobsairdoc.com/fotopaakcatalog.pdf
I was trying to locate information on a particular aircraft that has a tail
number N400VA which looks like an experimental with twin turboprop (pusher
props) parked at Camarillo CA. It's not in flying condition and has been
there for ages already. When I searched the Internet, N400VA came up as a
Douglas DC6. I will take some pics next week and post them for you to look
at.
Let us know about the flyin. Especially Tom's request for a videotape.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
To:
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
> I know I am unable to make it.
> I wish someone would make a concerted effort to make a non amateur video
> recording of the speakers, it's not hard to do.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
>
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
> convention
> > this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I want
to
> share
> > some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees. TLC
FOR
> > TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
> COMMANDERS,
> > Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
> AVIONICS,
> > Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT TRAINING,
> Jerry
> > Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
> Owner.
> > NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
> UPGRADING
> > PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH ATLANTIC
> IN A
> > SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS,
John
> Towner
> > Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL AND
> AGING
> > AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> > John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
> together
> > FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of flight
> > celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> > I have discovered that running this group is not unlike herding
> frogs.
> > The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying) is
> > reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
> challenging to "herd"
> > any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> > We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of you
> on
> > this list who would really enjoy and need the information and
camaraderie
> that
> > will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this is
your
> > "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> > Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight
> Group
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Photo collection? |
Thanks, Steve.
That was fast.
It was not exported to Canada, though.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "StephenC" <k4cpx(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo collection?
>
> from Steve C.
>
>
> N400VA is Deregistered
> Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
>
>
> Aircraft Description
> Serial Number 4-38 Type Registration Individual
> Manufacturer Name GLASER-DIRKS Certificate Issue Date 08/14/1986
> Model DG-400 Mode S Code 51127175
> Year Manufacturer None Cancel Date 08/30/2000
> Reason for Cancellation Exported Exported To CANADA
>
>
> Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration
>
> Name STUART JOACHIM P
> Street 30487 GANADO DR
> City RNCHO PLS VRD State CALIFORNIA Zip
Code 90275-6276
> County LOS ANGELES
> Country UNITED STATES
>
>
> Airworthiness
>
> None
>
>
> Other Owner Names
>
> None
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: css nico
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:32 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Photo collection?
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with this guy's site?
> http://www.bobsairdoc.com/fotopaakcatalog.pdf
>
> I was trying to locate information on a particular aircraft that has a
tail
> number N400VA which looks like an experimental with twin turboprop
(pusher
> props) parked at Camarillo CA. It's not in flying condition and has been
> there for ages already. When I searched the Internet, N400VA came up as
a
> Douglas DC6. I will take some pics next week and post them for you to
look
> at.
>
> Let us know about the flyin. Especially Tom's request for a videotape.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
>
>
> >
> > I know I am unable to make it.
> > I wish someone would make a concerted effort to make a non amateur
video
> > recording of the speakers, it's not hard to do.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
> >
> >
> > >
> > > HI KIDS.
> > >
> > > Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
> > convention
> > > this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I
want
> to
> > share
> > > some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees.
TLC
> FOR
> > > TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
> > COMMANDERS,
> > > Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
> > AVIONICS,
> > > Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT
TRAINING,
> > Jerry
> > > Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
> > Owner.
> > > NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
> > UPGRADING
> > > PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH
ATLANTIC
> > IN A
> > > SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS,
> John
> > Towner
> > > Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL
AND
> > AGING
> > > AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> > > John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
> > together
> > > FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of
flight
> > > celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> > > I have discovered that running this group is not unlike
herding
> > frogs.
> > > The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying)
is
> > > reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
> > challenging to "herd"
> > > any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> > > We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of
you
> > on
> > > this list who would really enjoy and need the information and
> camaraderie
> > that
> > > will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this
is
> your
> > > "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> > > Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander
Flight
> > Group
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | N400? pusher turbo prop |
Steve,
Something is wrong with that N400VA. I looked up GLASER-DIRKS and saw that
these are gliders. This is a pressurized fuselage with twin turboprop
engines in pusher prop configuration. I will check again about that
registration and take some pics and let you know.
So, standby.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "StephenC" <k4cpx(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo collection?
>
> from Steve C.
>
>
> N400VA is Deregistered
> Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
>
>
> Aircraft Description
> Serial Number 4-38 Type Registration Individual
> Manufacturer Name GLASER-DIRKS Certificate Issue Date 08/14/1986
> Model DG-400 Mode S Code 51127175
> Year Manufacturer None Cancel Date 08/30/2000
> Reason for Cancellation Exported Exported To CANADA
>
>
> Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration
>
> Name STUART JOACHIM P
> Street 30487 GANADO DR
> City RNCHO PLS VRD State CALIFORNIA Zip
Code 90275-6276
> County LOS ANGELES
> Country UNITED STATES
>
>
> Airworthiness
>
> None
>
>
> Other Owner Names
>
> None
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: css nico
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:32 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Photo collection?
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with this guy's site?
> http://www.bobsairdoc.com/fotopaakcatalog.pdf
>
> I was trying to locate information on a particular aircraft that has a
tail
> number N400VA which looks like an experimental with twin turboprop
(pusher
> props) parked at Camarillo CA. It's not in flying condition and has been
> there for ages already. When I searched the Internet, N400VA came up as
a
> Douglas DC6. I will take some pics next week and post them for you to
look
> at.
>
> Let us know about the flyin. Especially Tom's request for a videotape.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
>
>
> >
> > I know I am unable to make it.
> > I wish someone would make a concerted effort to make a non amateur
video
> > recording of the speakers, it's not hard to do.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
> >
> >
> > >
> > > HI KIDS.
> > >
> > > Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
> > convention
> > > this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I
want
> to
> > share
> > > some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees.
TLC
> FOR
> > > TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
> > COMMANDERS,
> > > Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
> > AVIONICS,
> > > Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT
TRAINING,
> > Jerry
> > > Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
> > Owner.
> > > NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
> > UPGRADING
> > > PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH
ATLANTIC
> > IN A
> > > SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS,
> John
> > Towner
> > > Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL
AND
> > AGING
> > > AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> > > John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
> > together
> > > FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of
flight
> > > celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> > > I have discovered that running this group is not unlike
herding
> > frogs.
> > > The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying)
is
> > > reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
> > challenging to "herd"
> > > any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> > > We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of
you
> > on
> > > this list who would really enjoy and need the information and
> camaraderie
> > that
> > > will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this
is
> your
> > > "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> > > Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander
Flight
> > Group
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Photo collection? |
The Glaser Dirks is an intelligence plane (~65000 ft operating altitudes)
operated by EU forces.
There was a short article on it in AW&ST about 8 yrs ago.
Bruce Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "StephenC" <k4cpx(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo collection?
>
> from Steve C.
>
>
> N400VA is Deregistered
> Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
>
>
> Aircraft Description
> Serial Number 4-38 Type Registration Individual
> Manufacturer Name GLASER-DIRKS Certificate Issue Date 08/14/1986
> Model DG-400 Mode S Code 51127175
> Year Manufacturer None Cancel Date 08/30/2000
> Reason for Cancellation Exported Exported To CANADA
>
>
> Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration
>
> Name STUART JOACHIM P
> Street 30487 GANADO DR
> City RNCHO PLS VRD State CALIFORNIA Zip
Code 90275-6276
> County LOS ANGELES
> Country UNITED STATES
>
>
> Airworthiness
>
> None
>
>
> Other Owner Names
>
> None
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: css nico
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:32 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Photo collection?
>
>
>
> Is anyone familiar with this guy's site?
> http://www.bobsairdoc.com/fotopaakcatalog.pdf
>
> I was trying to locate information on a particular aircraft that has a
tail
> number N400VA which looks like an experimental with twin turboprop
(pusher
> props) parked at Camarillo CA. It's not in flying condition and has been
> there for ages already. When I searched the Internet, N400VA came up as
a
> Douglas DC6. I will take some pics next week and post them for you to
look
> at.
>
> Let us know about the flyin. Especially Tom's request for a videotape.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: CONVENTION
>
>
>
> >
> > I know I am unable to make it.
> > I wish someone would make a concerted effort to make a non amateur
video
> > recording of the speakers, it's not hard to do.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: CONVENTION
> >
> >
> > >
> > > HI KIDS.
> > >
> > > Just another reminder to plan to attend the TCFG
> > convention
> > > this year. It is Sept 11- 13 at Commander Aero in Dayton, OH. I
want
> to
> > share
> > > some of the fine speakers planed to address this years attendees.
TLC
> FOR
> > > TURBO COMMANDERS Gary Krommer, Commander Aero. TODAY'S MARKET FOR
> > COMMANDERS,
> > > Mike Hudgins, Pres. Genesis Aircraft Marketing Group, QUANTUM LEAP
> > AVIONICS,
> > > Bill Pearsons UPSAT Account Executive. TWIN COMMANDER FLIGHT
TRAINING,
> > Jerry
> > > Hill, Flight Safety Int. EARLY TURBO COMMANDERS, Marty Haskell, 681
> > Owner.
> > > NDT SPAR TESTS, Chris Small NDT Tech Aircraft Testing Division.
> > UPGRADING
> > > PISTON COMMANDERS, Chris Wall & Dan Dominguez FLYING THE NORTH
ATLANTIC
> > IN A
> > > SHRIKE, Kevin Coons, CAVU Companies. CARING FOR PISTON COMMANDERS,
> John
> > Towner
> > > Central Air Southwest (owner or 35 Commanders). CORROSION CONTROL
AND
> > AGING
> > > AIRCRAFT CONCERNS Morris Kernick.
> > > John Bosch has put this amazing gathering of Commander talent
> > together
> > > FOR YOU!! There are many other speakers, great food, 100 year of
flight
> > > celebrations, side trips to museums and tons of fun.
> > > I have discovered that running this group is not unlike
herding
> > frogs.
> > > The unique nature of the airplanes we fly (or dream about flying)
is
> > > reflected in the diversity of our membership. It also makes it
> > challenging to "herd"
> > > any two Commander enthusiasts in the same direction.
> > > We need to come together for this event. There are dozens of
you
> > on
> > > this list who would really enjoy and need the information and
> camaraderie
> > that
> > > will be shared at this event. If Commanders are you "thing," this
is
> your
> > > "Oshkosh"!! Don't miss it!!
> > > Register today!! Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander
Flight
> > Group
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Photo collection? |
BRUCE..
Are you planing to make the flyin?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.....
I have a busy, fun week ahead. Most of you know Sue and I
rescue unwanted Iguanas. Well, we work with another much larger rescue in the
Seattle area (80 iguanas!!) They have a grant to relocate some of the "special
need" iguanas to new permeant homes.
Tomorrow I will fly triple 2 to a small private airport near
Bremerton, Apex airport, and swap 4 iguanas we have for two that need new homes.
The
next day, I will be flying one of them "Cleo" to her new home in Billings
Montana, 576km. I will check out her new home and then fly back to Caldwell Idaho
and spend the night where I will do a flight test report on a Brand new Super
Cub clone on amphibious floats for In-Flight USA Magazine.
After a flight back home and a day off, I will once again be back in
triple 2 to deliver the other Iguana, "Pox" to his new home in Hayward CA. I
plan to visit Morris K for a day and back on Friday. Lots of gas through the
stacks, all paid for!! Yippee. Hope everybody has a great week in
Commanderland. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
I've been wondering, jb, and I ask purely out of ignorance and a desire to
gain knowledge (isn't that cute?). What is this thing you are doing flying
Iguanas around? Are people actually paying you to fly them around or rescue
them? As what? Pets? Tell us uninitiated into the exotic-animals-for-pets
culture what's happening here, if you have time.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: BUSY WEEK
>
> HI KIDS.....
>
> I have a busy, fun week ahead. Most of you know Sue and I
> rescue unwanted Iguanas. Well, we work with another much larger rescue in
the
> Seattle area (80 iguanas!!) They have a grant to relocate some of the
"special
> need" iguanas to new permeant homes.
> Tomorrow I will fly triple 2 to a small private airport near
> Bremerton, Apex airport, and swap 4 iguanas we have for two that need new
homes. The
> next day, I will be flying one of them "Cleo" to her new home in Billings
> Montana, 576km. I will check out her new home and then fly back to
Caldwell Idaho
> and spend the night where I will do a flight test report on a Brand new
Super
> Cub clone on amphibious floats for In-Flight USA Magazine.
> After a flight back home and a day off, I will once again be back
in
> triple 2 to deliver the other Iguana, "Pox" to his new home in Hayward CA.
I
> plan to visit Morris K for a day and back on Friday. Lots of gas through
the
> stacks, all paid for!! Yippee. Hope everybody has a great week in
> Commanderland. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/10/2003 11:02:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> I've been wondering, jb, and I ask purely out of ignorance and a desire to
> gain knowledge (isn't that cute?). What is this thing you are doing flying
> Iguanas around? Are people actually paying you to fly them around or rescue
> them? As what? Pets? Tell us uninitiated into the exotic-animals-for-pets
> culture what's happening here, if you have time.
Well, usually nobody pays except me. Over the years I have delivered iguanas
to new homes in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. This time a large rescue in
Sea has been given a grant by someone to relocate these animals. Yes, they are
pets. It is a huge untold tragedy in America. Tens of thousands baby iguanas
are imported each year. 80% die in the first year from lack of care
knowledge. Of those that survive, 80% die in the next year. That still leaves
thousands of unwanted iguanas needing homes.
Iguanas are easy to care for but not for everyone. They differ from
other reptiles, like snakes and turtles (Who only think three things, eat, poop
escape) They have about the same intelligence level as a cat. The "free
roam" in your home and are "house broken." They live 20 years and require lots
of
attention to remain a pet. They can be a very rewarding animal to have in
your home, like raising a dinosaur in your den!! Enough abut them, this is a
Commander site!
Anybody planing to go to the flyin who hasn't registered?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
Jerry Sprayberry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: BUSY WEEK
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2003 11:02:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
> > I've been wondering, jb, and I ask purely out of ignorance and a desire
to
> > gain knowledge (isn't that cute?). What is this thing you are doing
flying
> > Iguanas around? Are people actually paying you to fly them around or
rescue
> > them? As what? Pets? Tell us uninitiated into the
exotic-animals-for-pets
> > culture what's happening here, if you have time.
>
> Well, usually nobody pays except me. Over the years I have delivered
iguanas
> to new homes in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. This time a large rescue in
> Sea has been given a grant by someone to relocate these animals. Yes,
they are
> pets. It is a huge untold tragedy in America. Tens of thousands baby
iguanas
> are imported each year. 80% die in the first year from lack of care
> knowledge. Of those that survive, 80% die in the next year. That still
leaves
> thousands of unwanted iguanas needing homes.
> Iguanas are easy to care for but not for everyone. They differ
from
> other reptiles, like snakes and turtles (Who only think three things, eat,
poop
> escape) They have about the same intelligence level as a cat. The "free
> roam" in your home and are "house broken." They live 20 years and require
lots of
> attention to remain a pet. They can be a very rewarding animal to have in
> your home, like raising a dinosaur in your den!! Enough abut them, this
is a
> Commander site!
> Anybody planing to go to the flyin who hasn't registered?? jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hydraulic switch |
Does anybody have a hydraulic switches P/N P10M-47
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Pardon me for using this list for a sales pitch but. It is my family or the
airplane . I pick door number one, My Family.
bilbo
http://www.aircraft.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?guid=v77r44o0&pcid=1232551&etid=1&OHID=1065462&setype=1&nh=0
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Sorry to hear that Bill.
Want to lease it for the rest of the summer?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: 500A
>
> Pardon me for using this list for a sales pitch but. It is my family or
the
> airplane . I pick door number one, My Family.
>
> bilbo
>
>
http://www.aircraft.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?guid=v77r44o0&pcid=12325
51&etid=1&OHID=1065462&setype=1&nh=0
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Hydraulic switch |
We may have a used serviceable one.
Gary - Commander Aero
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
Does anybody have a hydraulic switches P/N P10M-47
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic switch |
Gary, What is a HYD Switch? Is he referring to the Shutoff Valve?
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <service@commander-aero.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
>
> We may have a used serviceable one.
> Gary - Commander Aero
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commanderlist
> Subject: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
>
>
>
> Does anybody have a hydraulic switches P/N P10M-47
>
> bilbo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic switch |
The hydraulic switch is the one which regulates the opperation of the aux
pump. It is a pressure switch. It is located under the reservioron on the
outboard side in an almost impossible spot to reach. It is identified as
#81 in the hydraulic section of the parts manual, and is about the size of a
mans thumb.(yes thumb) Retail price $680.00.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
>
> Gary, What is a HYD Switch? Is he referring to the Shutoff Valve?
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <service@commander-aero.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
>
>
> >
> > We may have a used serviceable one.
> > Gary - Commander Aero
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> > To: commanderlist
> > Subject: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anybody have a hydraulic switches P/N P10M-47
> >
> > bilbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Hydraulic switch |
Try Dallas Air Salvage. They had two "B" Commanders. 1 800 336 6399. If that
does not work let me know and I have some other salvage places. Hated to
here that you were going to have to sell your plane. I also did not know
that it was a converted "A".
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
The hydraulic switch is the one which regulates the opperation of the aux
pump. It is a pressure switch. It is located under the reservioron on the
outboard side in an almost impossible spot to reach. It is identified as
#81 in the hydraulic section of the parts manual, and is about the size of a
mans thumb.(yes thumb) Retail price $680.00.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
>
> Gary, What is a HYD Switch? Is he referring to the Shutoff Valve?
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <service@commander-aero.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
>
>
> >
> > We may have a used serviceable one.
> > Gary - Commander Aero
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> > To: commanderlist
> > Subject: Commander-List: Hydraulic switch
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anybody have a hydraulic switches P/N P10M-47
> >
> > bilbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: I love Aerocommanders |
From: "_ Grandwiser" <grandwiser(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I love Aerocommanders
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:45:54 +0000
Thank you for creating this web site. As a kid building model airplanes, I always
thought the Aerocommander to be the most beautiful plane ever built. Thanks
for the great photo galleries.
Art
(Grandwiser(at)aol.com)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000 |
Hi All,
Noticed that a Model 685 is being advertised on eBay and thought I'd 'broadcast'
the fact, incase anybody was looking for one.
The link is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category26428&item2427206547
Best Regards,
Barry C (U.K.)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000 |
I can't find it.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Noticed that a Model 685 is being advertised on eBay and thought I'd
'broadcast' the fact, incase anybody was looking for one.
>
> The link is:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category26428&item2
427206547
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry C (U.K.)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fly-in - I'll be there! |
I will be flying commercial due to schedule issues, but I'll be there.
As Chris Wall mentioned in an earlier post, Chris, Jill and I took N811D
to Oshkosh. Very fun ride! As expected, it was a bit of a zoo going in
- having lots of eyeballs in the cockpit is a VERY good thing there.
Chris is currently working down a sqauwk list we accumulated on the
first couple of trips [SNA-OAK-SNA] and [SNA-OSH-HOU]. 11D will be
based at SNA [John Wayne, Orange County, CA] for at least a bit, then
possibly over to Chino.
Once we have a the squawks care of, I will looking for 2 or 3 compatible
partners. I have had a wonderful 4-way partnership in my Debonair for
the last 5 years and hope to create a similar one for 11D [oh, and BTW
there is a 1/4 interest in a very nice 1964 Deb, hangared at SNA,
available]. If you know anyone that may be interested, please contact
me at:
alan.kucheck(at)borland.com
949/861-1626 cell
714/445-4435 desk
Looking forward to the fly-in!
Alan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in - I'll be there! |
In a message dated 8/16/2003 12:15:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
akucheck(at)hotmail.com writes:
> Looking forward to the fly-in!
>
GREAT TO HEAR YOU WILL BE THERE!! Can I fax you a registration form?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000 |
In a message dated 8/16/2003 9:49:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> I can't find it.
www.ebay.com. Then "aero commander" Good luck jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | David Talley <dtalley1(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | 685 For Sale on Ebay |
Folks,
Here's the complete link...good luck bidding!!! :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2427206547&category=26428
God Bless to all!
David Talley
San Antonio, TX
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000 |
Hi again Guys,
Sorry, the full link should have read:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category26428&item24272
06547
The bids now seem to have reached $65,000 and there's a day left.
If the above doesn't work, from eBay's home page, search on "aero commander" and
it should be one of the search results.
If anybody bids..........Good Luck!
Best Regards,
Barry C (U.K.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000
|
| I can't find it.
|
| Tom F.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Commander-List: Rockwell 685 for sale @ $45,000
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi All,
| >
| > Noticed that a Model 685 is being advertised on eBay and thought I'd
| 'broadcast' the fact, incase anybody was looking for one.
| >
| > The link is:
| >
| >
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| 427206547
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| > Barry C (U.K.)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Is someone in this group bidding against me on item #2427599246 (Aero
Commander Parts and Service Books)? If someone needs them that is in this group,
I
will "back out" if not I will up the ante.
Thanx!
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hotel in Dayton for Fly-In? |
Hello all,
Which hotels in Dayton are giving TCFG members a good rate?
Thanks,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hotel in Dayton for Fly-In? |
In a message dated 8/19/2003 6:43:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
swperk(at)earthlink.net writes:
> Which hotels in Dayton are giving TCFG members a good rate?
We have a block of rooms at the Comfort Suites 937-436-4529. Book soon!!
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: 500B or Shrike |
From: "Steve Perlinski" <steve.perlinski@i-solinc.com>
Subject: 500B or Shrike
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 18:31:11 -0700
Sir,
I'm not currently in the market for an aircraft but I'm beginning to
keep an eye out for mid-2004 when I expect that I'll be able to combine
business flying with pleasure. This means I'll have more hours as a
"singles" pilot (I'm very low time and still training now) and I'll have
the time to train on a twin. After doing some research, it appears that
you have an impressive reputation as "the" authority on aero-commanders.
These have caught my eye for a number of reasons but most importantly
that I can carry 4+ colleagues or wife, son + 2 dogs in significant
comfort at 180+kas with reasonable economy, all for under $200,000.
Therefore, any guidance you can provide in the coming months on your
experiences etc. surrounding the 500B or 500S would be appreciated.
P.S. If you have another buddy selling his well maintained A-C for
$55,000, I'll trade him my $85,000 Porsche. Of course, he'll pay for
the $30k in upgrades;-)
Cheers,
Steve Perlinski
Executive Director
Perlinski & Flaherty
* (001) 949 280 1761
* (001) 949 481 5483
* sperlinski@perlinski-flaherty.com
* www.perlinski-flaherty.com
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Sir,
Im not currently in the market for an aircraft but
Im beginning to keep an eye out for mid-2004 when I expect that
Ill be able to combine business flying with pleasure. This means Ill
have more hours as a singles pilot (Im very low time and
still training now) and Ill have the time to train on a twin. After
doing some research, it appears that you have an impressive reputation as
the authority on aero-commanders. These have caught my eye
for a number of reasons but most importantly that I can carry 4+ colleagues=20or
wife, son + 2 dogs in significant comfort at 180+kas with reasonable economy,
all for under $200,000. Therefore, any guidance you can provide in the
coming months on your experiences etc. surrounding the 500B or 500S would be
appreciated.
P.S. If you have another buddy selling his well
maintained A-C for $55,000, Ill trade him my $85,000 Porsche. Of
course, hell pay for the $30k in upgrades;-)
Cheers,
Steve
Perlinski
Executive Director
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
Bill,
The two Commanders from Chile are now in the United States. The broker has
them in the Miami area and is wanting to sell them both. Do you have any
interest in them?
A 1973 Shrike and a 1976 Shrike.
Let me know if you want me to email you pictures of the aircraft.
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commanders For Sale |
Kevin:
Yes, we'd be interested in the two shrikes. Do you have more details?
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E.
KAWO Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223
360-435-7343
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
Hi everybody,
I'm developing a website to publicize my book and I need some Shrike photos. Does
anybody have some that I could use, please? If you have a couple of a Shrike
in flight, I'd really appreciate using them. Naturally, I'd credit the owner
and photographer.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Andrew.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Photos |
Snoop around here a bit, Andrew. I am the photographer of only some of
these.
http://www.acu.org/images/aviation/Others/AVTEK/
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Photos
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I'm developing a website to publicize my book and I need some Shrike
photos. Does anybody have some that I could use, please? If you have a
couple of a Shrike in flight, I'd really appreciate using them. Naturally,
I'd credit the owner and photographer.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
About a week or so ago I mentioned the weird plane that I saw at Camarillo
CA. Well, I went out there today and took a few pictures of it. It is not
such a big mystery afterall. Its an Avtek pusher. Here's the link to the
pics on my website. I have posted other aviation related pics on that site
also that I collected here and there, still without captions, which will be
added in due course. So, snoop around if you wish. Some pictures you guys
would recognize and some not. I resized files larger than 150k and posted
them with the same name as the larger files but with a suffix 'small', so if
you have a slow connection, you may want to open those instead.
I will post more pictures of weird stuff that I come across as I go from
airfield to airfield, hardly ever passing through a town without wanting to
find the airfield. I have pictures of a weird warbird that I saw on (what
seemed like) an abandoned airfield in France, which I have only on video. I
will transfer it to a still image and post it perhaps someone knows what it
is.
http://www.acu.org/images/aviation/Others/AVTEK/
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Well, The newsletters are finally in the mail!! What a wrestling
match!!. Everybody should have them in a few days. I will be sending another
right after the flyin to get back in schedule.
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I had a rather unique mission
to fly delivering a couple of iguanas from a rescue in Seattle. It is
finished. I flew triple 2 2100 Nautical miles over three days.
It began with a short run from PDX to a small private field in the
Seattle area. Apex is great little airport. I met the gal form the rescue and
placed aboard two great iguanas. Cleo is a 7 year old female with some serious
health issues. She suffered from Metabolic bone desises as a baby and now
has a badly deformed face. She also is missing a total of 5 tows, but she is
now healthy, happy and a real survivor. I delivered her to a new home in
Billings Montana (BIL), 579KM form here. The trip was short with a bit of a
tailwind, but lots of TFRAs for forest fires. One was identified by a 5 corned
box
(" the 030 radial from the xyz vor, 22miles to a point 033 radial and 26 miles
to a point......")
I spent a couple of hours helping her adjust and then was off to
Caldwell Idaho, about 400KM. I was met by my Son, Chad, and a close friend Jim
Raeder. Jim is a pro photographer and works for the EAA. He had arranged a
photo shoot of a new homebuilt Super Cub clone on amphibious floats. I will be
writing an article for In Flight USA about the airplane.
I flew the camera ship on this mission and then did a flight test on
the airplane the next day, what a great airplane. Why would anybody want a
"certified" Cub??
My Son's flight instructor is red hot to own a 680E so I gave him a
demo flight. What fun!! He is now really looking for his own Commander.
The next day I left for Stockton CA and had lunch with Morris Kernick.
I had an appointment to deliver the second iguana, "Pox" to her new home
late that afternoon from Hayward. Pox stole my heart. She is truly a wonderful
pet. Shortly after t.o. from Billings, I let her out of her cage (I removed
the RH center seat to accommodate a couple of iguana cages). She sat on my
leather flight bag, on the co-pilot seat and looked out the window. She really
had a great flight and acted like she actually enjoyed flying. On the trip to
Stockton, she also rode on the seat or on my shoulder. She had no problem
dinning on collard greens 2.5 miles high. I have some great photos of her
including one of her reflection in the spinner while sleeping on my arm. She is
truly a little doll.
I got finished up with her delivery about 9pm and made a night t.o.
out of Hayward. What a great night flight home!! 12.5, not a cloud in the
night sky. I had a ripping tail wind and saw 248KTS ground speed (287mph!!) I
made the nearly 500 KM trip in about 2 hours. I flew by the east side of Mt.
Shasta and with the full moon, I could see it clearly!
Old triple 2 worked perfect. Never missed a beat and always delivered
200mph. I really do love that old airplane. Hope all is well in your
Commanderland AN THAT ALL OF YOU MAKE IT TO THE FLY-IN!! DOOONNNTTT MIS THIS ONE!!
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGUANA FLIGHT |
Great story JB...always enjoy hearing about your adventures. Keep it
up...and remember, life is a journey, not a destination. You are on quite a
trip.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: IGUANA FLIGHT
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Well, The newsletters are finally in the mail!! What a wrestling
> match!!. Everybody should have them in a few days. I will be sending
another
> right after the flyin to get back in schedule.
> I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I had a rather unique
mission
> to fly delivering a couple of iguanas from a rescue in Seattle. It is
> finished. I flew triple 2 2100 Nautical miles over three days.
> It began with a short run from PDX to a small private field in the
> Seattle area. Apex is great little airport. I met the gal form the
rescue and
> placed aboard two great iguanas. Cleo is a 7 year old female with some
serious
> health issues. She suffered from Metabolic bone desises as a baby and now
> has a badly deformed face. She also is missing a total of 5 tows, but she
is
> now healthy, happy and a real survivor. I delivered her to a new home in
> Billings Montana (BIL), 579KM form here. The trip was short with a bit of
a
> tailwind, but lots of TFRAs for forest fires. One was identified by a 5
corned box
> (" the 030 radial from the xyz vor, 22miles to a point 033 radial and 26
miles
> to a point......")
> I spent a couple of hours helping her adjust and then was off to
> Caldwell Idaho, about 400KM. I was met by my Son, Chad, and a close
friend Jim
> Raeder. Jim is a pro photographer and works for the EAA. He had arranged
a
> photo shoot of a new homebuilt Super Cub clone on amphibious floats. I
will be
> writing an article for In Flight USA about the airplane.
> I flew the camera ship on this mission and then did a flight test
on
> the airplane the next day, what a great airplane. Why would anybody want
a
> "certified" Cub??
> My Son's flight instructor is red hot to own a 680E so I gave him a
> demo flight. What fun!! He is now really looking for his own Commander.
> The next day I left for Stockton CA and had lunch with Morris
Kernick.
> I had an appointment to deliver the second iguana, "Pox" to her new home
> late that afternoon from Hayward. Pox stole my heart. She is truly a
wonderful
> pet. Shortly after t.o. from Billings, I let her out of her cage (I
removed
> the RH center seat to accommodate a couple of iguana cages). She sat on
my
> leather flight bag, on the co-pilot seat and looked out the window. She
really
> had a great flight and acted like she actually enjoyed flying. On the
trip to
> Stockton, she also rode on the seat or on my shoulder. She had no problem
> dinning on collard greens 2.5 miles high. I have some great photos of her
> including one of her reflection in the spinner while sleeping on my arm.
She is
> truly a little doll.
> I got finished up with her delivery about 9pm and made a night t.o.
> out of Hayward. What a great night flight home!! 12.5, not a cloud in
the
> night sky. I had a ripping tail wind and saw 248KTS ground speed
(287mph!!) I
> made the nearly 500 KM trip in about 2 hours. I flew by the east side of
Mt.
> Shasta and with the full moon, I could see it clearly!
> Old triple 2 worked perfect. Never missed a beat and always
delivered
> 200mph. I really do love that old airplane. Hope all is well in your
> Commanderland AN THAT ALL OF YOU MAKE IT TO THE FLY-IN!! DOOONNNTTT MIS
THIS ONE!!
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGUANA FLIGHT |
In a message dated 8/21/2003 7:08:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> You are on quite a
> trip
Thanks Randy. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IGUANA FLIGHT |
Jimbob,
What a great story! You're really living the dream....
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: IGUANA FLIGHT
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Well, The newsletters are finally in the mail!! What a wrestling
> match!!. Everybody should have them in a few days. I will be sending
another
> right after the flyin to get back in schedule.
> I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I had a rather unique
mission
> to fly delivering a couple of iguanas from a rescue in Seattle. It is
> finished. I flew triple 2 2100 Nautical miles over three days.
> It began with a short run from PDX to a small private field in the
> Seattle area. Apex is great little airport. I met the gal form the
rescue and
> placed aboard two great iguanas. Cleo is a 7 year old female with some
serious
> health issues. She suffered from Metabolic bone desises as a baby and now
> has a badly deformed face. She also is missing a total of 5 tows, but she
is
> now healthy, happy and a real survivor. I delivered her to a new home in
> Billings Montana (BIL), 579KM form here. The trip was short with a bit of
a
> tailwind, but lots of TFRAs for forest fires. One was identified by a 5
corned box
> (" the 030 radial from the xyz vor, 22miles to a point 033 radial and 26
miles
> to a point......")
> I spent a couple of hours helping her adjust and then was off to
> Caldwell Idaho, about 400KM. I was met by my Son, Chad, and a close
friend Jim
> Raeder. Jim is a pro photographer and works for the EAA. He had arranged
a
> photo shoot of a new homebuilt Super Cub clone on amphibious floats. I
will be
> writing an article for In Flight USA about the airplane.
> I flew the camera ship on this mission and then did a flight test
on
> the airplane the next day, what a great airplane. Why would anybody want
a
> "certified" Cub??
> My Son's flight instructor is red hot to own a 680E so I gave him a
> demo flight. What fun!! He is now really looking for his own Commander.
> The next day I left for Stockton CA and had lunch with Morris
Kernick.
> I had an appointment to deliver the second iguana, "Pox" to her new home
> late that afternoon from Hayward. Pox stole my heart. She is truly a
wonderful
> pet. Shortly after t.o. from Billings, I let her out of her cage (I
removed
> the RH center seat to accommodate a couple of iguana cages). She sat on
my
> leather flight bag, on the co-pilot seat and looked out the window. She
really
> had a great flight and acted like she actually enjoyed flying. On the
trip to
> Stockton, she also rode on the seat or on my shoulder. She had no problem
> dinning on collard greens 2.5 miles high. I have some great photos of her
> including one of her reflection in the spinner while sleeping on my arm.
She is
> truly a little doll.
> I got finished up with her delivery about 9pm and made a night t.o.
> out of Hayward. What a great night flight home!! 12.5, not a cloud in
the
> night sky. I had a ripping tail wind and saw 248KTS ground speed
(287mph!!) I
> made the nearly 500 KM trip in about 2 hours. I flew by the east side of
Mt.
> Shasta and with the full moon, I could see it clearly!
> Old triple 2 worked perfect. Never missed a beat and always
delivered
> 200mph. I really do love that old airplane. Hope all is well in your
> Commanderland AN THAT ALL OF YOU MAKE IT TO THE FLY-IN!! DOOONNNTTT MIS
THIS ONE!!
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGUANA FLIGHT |
In a message dated 8/21/2003 10:13:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> What a great story! You're really living the dream....
>
Thanks John, but I don't think living with 9 iguanas was exactly my dream!!
:-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
Kevin. I'd be interested to learn the serial numbers too!
Barry C.
(UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
|
| Kevin:
|
| Yes, we'd be interested in the two shrikes. Do you have more details?
|
| Bill Williams
| AirMatrix
| 17705 49th Place N.E.
| KAWO Hangar D
| Arlington, WA 98223
| 360-435-7343
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Hi!
We went wireless! Please change my address from westwindaero(at)sbcglobal.net to
westwind(at)hdiss.net.
Thanks,
Dan Brady
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
Dan. You are the only one that can change your email address, Just scrool
down untill you get to the Commander list, Delete the old one and then add
your new one.
Jerry S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Commander-List: new addy
>
> Hi!
>
> We went wireless! Please change my address from
westwindaero(at)sbcglobal.net to westwind(at)hdiss.net.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Brady
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Fellow Commander drivers,
If the sheet metal plate which is brazed onto the rocker covers comes loose
and the intake rocker shaft comes out of its' stanchions the intake valve will
no longer open. Obviously, that cylinder will not fire and the engine will
run extremely rough as that cylinder is also getting two compression strokes in
the four cycles.
My questions is this: Should the engine go extremely rich with black smoke
blowing out of the exhaust. This has happened to me two times. After having
worked in the racing engine industry for 37 years I have a relatively good
understanding of engines and I can't understand why the engine goes dead rich (even
with the Simmonds pump). Also, the manifold pressure goes low which is
understandable because the engine is so rich.
Any help that anyone could give me in understanding this phenomenon would be
greatly appreciated.
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
The Simmonds Fuel Control is Controlled by Oil Pressure, Has a little oil
screen that has to be checked often. CloudCraft can tell us all, exactly how
it works, Where are you Kieth?
Are you coming to the Flyin?
Jerry Sprayberry
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION
>
> Fellow Commander drivers,
>
> If the sheet metal plate which is brazed onto the rocker covers comes
loose
> and the intake rocker shaft comes out of its' stanchions the intake valve
will
> no longer open. Obviously, that cylinder will not fire and the engine
will
> run extremely rough as that cylinder is also getting two compression
strokes in
> the four cycles.
>
> My questions is this: Should the engine go extremely rich with black smoke
> blowing out of the exhaust. This has happened to me two times. After
having
> worked in the racing engine industry for 37 years I have a relatively good
> understanding of engines and I can't understand why the engine goes dead
rich (even
> with the Simmonds pump). Also, the manifold pressure goes low which is
> understandable because the engine is so rich.
>
> Any help that anyone could give me in understanding this phenomenon would
be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Thanks, however, am familiar with the full rich condition when the oil
pressure goes down, however, in this situation as soon as the intake rocker shaft
is
replaced and the intake valve opens properly again the fuel mixture goes back
to normal.
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
In a message dated 08/25/03 11:53:10 Pacific Daylight Time, MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
writes:
> If the sheet metal plate which is brazed onto the rocker covers comes loose
>
> and the intake rocker shaft comes out of its' stanchions the intake valve
> will
> no longer open. Obviously, that cylinder will not fire and the engine will
> run extremely rough as that cylinder is also getting two compression strokes
> in
> the four cycles.
>
> My questions is this: Should the engine go extremely rich with black smoke
> blowing out of the exhaust.
Moe,
This is a W.A.G., but since the IGSO-540 is a single point injection at the
supercharger and in your scenario, one cylinder is not completing an intake
stroke, it may be that an extra rich mixture is forming in the manifold.
This mixture -- richer by "one cylinder's worth" is what could be causing the
fogging and MAP drop.
What happens if you manually lean at idle? Does it clean up?
Really -- I've never come across this before -- a rich mixture NOT caused by
an oil pressure problem and/or Simmonds problem.
Captain Spray: Right now looks like I'll be working over that weekend of the
Fly-In. We've hired a new copilot which would normally mean more free time
for me, but he's fresh out of training and the All Mighty Chief Pilot as put me
with him on all the up comming trips so I can give him his I.O.E.
That's what I get for being the company I.O.E. guy. No rest for the wicked.
My regrets to all; I would have enjoyed meeting some of the new members,
seeing old members and my dear friends at Commander-Aero.
Wing Commander Gordon.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
But then again the pure of heart doesn't need rest, Chief.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION
>
> In a message dated 08/25/03 11:53:10 Pacific Daylight Time,
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
> writes:
>
> > If the sheet metal plate which is brazed onto the rocker covers comes
loose
> >
> > and the intake rocker shaft comes out of its' stanchions the intake
valve
> > will
> > no longer open. Obviously, that cylinder will not fire and the engine
will
> > run extremely rough as that cylinder is also getting two compression
strokes
> > in
> > the four cycles.
> >
> > My questions is this: Should the engine go extremely rich with black
smoke
> > blowing out of the exhaust.
>
> Moe,
>
> This is a W.A.G., but since the IGSO-540 is a single point injection at
the
> supercharger and in your scenario, one cylinder is not completing an
intake
> stroke, it may be that an extra rich mixture is forming in the manifold.
>
> This mixture -- richer by "one cylinder's worth" is what could be causing
the
> fogging and MAP drop.
>
> What happens if you manually lean at idle? Does it clean up?
>
> Really -- I've never come across this before -- a rich mixture NOT caused
by
> an oil pressure problem and/or Simmonds problem.
>
> Captain Spray: Right now looks like I'll be working over that weekend of
the
> Fly-In. We've hired a new copilot which would normally mean more free
time
> for me, but he's fresh out of training and the All Mighty Chief Pilot as
put me
> with him on all the up comming trips so I can give him his I.O.E.
>
> That's what I get for being the company I.O.E. guy. No rest for the
wicked.
>
>
> My regrets to all; I would have enjoyed meeting some of the new members,
> seeing old members and my dear friends at Commander-Aero.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Wing Commander Gordon:
Thank you for your valued advice. My thought was that the cylinder with the
inoperable intake valve also was not using the boost from the mechanically
driven supercharger, therefore, the air/fuel mixture should remain approximately
the same.
Best regards,
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Moe,
The mixture hasn't really changed, i.e., your still getting the same amount
of fuel you would normally get from the injector.The problem is that you're
not getting the normal amount of air, hence the black smoke from the
incomplete combustion.
The air is delivered to the cylinder from the intake pipes-the fuel is
delivered to the cylinder from the fuel divider block via the injector lines
to each cylinder.
We sucked a valve in the 520 (JET PAUL was flying) and it also had black
smoke coming out, but that was the result of incomplete combustion due to a
missing valve.
Trust this will make some sense of the matter.
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Moe,
I forgot to mention that with the carburated 520 we were getting a large
amount of oil into the cylinder as well.
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Attn: K-Mart shoppers |
An amazing(amazing to me) thing happened 2 weeks ago.
When the hydraulic switch that controls the aux pump crapped, out squirting
hydraulic fluid all over the place, I set out to find one. A serviceable
one would be fine since they are $680. each. Nobody on this list new where
there was one so I did a search on Google of "P10M-47" not expecting any
results. I was almost right. There was one hit, the commanderlist. It
refered to a list placed here in January by Tom Fisher for Cham Gill.
Thanks to Tom Fisher putting that info out, I was able to get a NOS switch
at a great price. His buddy Cham even Fed Exed it to me(it was cheaper
:>)).
I wanted to puplicly thank Tom, as he worked a great deal to get me in
contact with Cham and thank Cham who is not a list member yet.
Tom, people like you and Cham make lists like this work.
Thanks, I'll shut up now.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Dear Crunk,
Thank you very much for the reply, however, please keep in mind that the IGSO
540 B1A engine has only one large injector nozzle which sprays directly into
the blades of the mechanically driven supercharger. I experienced the type of
problem that you describe quite frequently when I was running my blown fuel
dragster a few years ago. One plugged nozzle will raise the line pressure to
all of the other nozzles. Problem is this thing has only one nozzle.
Any more ideas?
Best regards,
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Moe,
Interesting! Since you only have the one nozzle could it be that the
injector is still metering fuel/air at a mix for six cylinders into five
cylinders thus causing incomplete combustion?
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
In a message dated 8/26/2003 7:51:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
crunk12(at)bellsouth.net writes:
> Moe,
> Interesting! Since you only have the one nozzle could it be that the
> injector is still metering fuel/air at a mix for six cylinders into five
> cylinders thus causing incomplete combustion?
> Crunk
CRUNK, GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU!! Are you planing to be at the flyin?? It is
the best ever with lots of new faces. There is scheduled to be another 560F
in attendance. How is life?? How is Milt?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Attn: K-Mart shoppers |
In a message dated 8/26/2003 6:13:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
> Thanks, I'll shut up now.
> bilbo
Thanks Bill. Great report!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Attn: K-Mart shoppers |
Thanks Bill, Commander lovers unite!
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Attn: K-Mart shoppers
>
> An amazing(amazing to me) thing happened 2 weeks ago.
>
> When the hydraulic switch that controls the aux pump crapped, out
squirting
> hydraulic fluid all over the place, I set out to find one. A serviceable
> one would be fine since they are $680. each. Nobody on this list new
where
> there was one so I did a search on Google of "P10M-47" not expecting any
> results. I was almost right. There was one hit, the commanderlist. It
> refered to a list placed here in January by Tom Fisher for Cham Gill.
>
> Thanks to Tom Fisher putting that info out, I was able to get a NOS switch
> at a great price. His buddy Cham even Fed Exed it to me(it was cheaper
> :>)).
>
> I wanted to puplicly thank Tom, as he worked a great deal to get me in
> contact with Cham and thank Cham who is not a list member yet.
>
> Tom, people like you and Cham make lists like this work.
>
> Thanks, I'll shut up now.
> bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Hey guys, I think you'll get a kick out of this ...
I mentioned that I can't attend the Fly-In because I'm nurturing a new pilot
into the Falcon 20.
We decided to hire a full time copilot after using contract crews for several
months. We had a pageant, interviewing 4 applicants in one day. (Not at the
same time) I did the interviewing as the chief pilot "monitored."
One applicant had a handful of both King Air 200 and Turbo Commander time on
his resume.
So I burrowed into this detail and asked specific questions about the BE 200
and the Commander. It was very apparent he only had a few hours as a "guest
copilot" in these types and I understood his belief that we were hunting for
someone with significant turbine time -- which is not true.
Then I asked him The Question: "So which did you prefer? The King Air or
the Turbo Commander?"
He began extolling the virtues of the King Air ... and then stopped, looked
down and almost apologetically said, "The King Air is great, but I really liked
the Turbo Commander better."
The chief pilot exhaled a pent up breath with a whistle and said, "You lucked
out on that answer."
He was a bit confused. I simply said, "You have chosen wisely" and went on
with the interview.
And yes, he was the one we hired.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
Sorry to here you're not going to be here Keith.
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Wise Choice
Hey guys, I think you'll get a kick out of this ...
I mentioned that I can't attend the Fly-In because I'm nurturing a new pilot
into the Falcon 20.
We decided to hire a full time copilot after using contract crews for
several
months. We had a pageant, interviewing 4 applicants in one day. (Not at
the
same time) I did the interviewing as the chief pilot "monitored."
One applicant had a handful of both King Air 200 and Turbo Commander time on
his resume.
So I burrowed into this detail and asked specific questions about the BE 200
and the Commander. It was very apparent he only had a few hours as a
"guest
copilot" in these types and I understood his belief that we were hunting for
someone with significant turbine time -- which is not true.
Then I asked him The Question: "So which did you prefer? The King Air or
the Turbo Commander?"
He began extolling the virtues of the King Air ... and then stopped, looked
down and almost apologetically said, "The King Air is great, but I really
liked
the Turbo Commander better."
The chief pilot exhaled a pent up breath with a whistle and said, "You
lucked
out on that answer."
He was a bit confused. I simply said, "You have chosen wisely" and went on
with the interview.
And yes, he was the one we hired.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Except that on an IGSO, the injection is single-point, in the supercharger,
right? There are no divider lines? So I would guess that the fuel becomes
about 16% richer, which doesn't seem like enough to really get the black
smoke going....
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION
>
> Moe,
> The mixture hasn't really changed, i.e., your still getting the same
amount
> of fuel you would normally get from the injector.The problem is that
you're
> not getting the normal amount of air, hence the black smoke from the
> incomplete combustion.
> The air is delivered to the cylinder from the intake pipes-the fuel is
> delivered to the cylinder from the fuel divider block via the injector
lines
> to each cylinder.
> We sucked a valve in the 520 (JET PAUL was flying) and it also had black
> smoke coming out, but that was the result of incomplete combustion due to
a
> missing valve.
> Trust this will make some sense of the matter.
> Crunk
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Crunk,
I am having a hard time understanding why the mixture would become richer,
because the blower is mechanically driven. If one intake valve is not opening
it will take neither gas or air, (the fuel is atomized in the hair drier)
therefore, it would seem that the air/fuel ratio would remain approximately the
same.
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Why all the negative Garrett talk? |
We are looking into buying a turboprop for a client and are running into
all sorts of negative comments from the local A&P and IA mechanics, when
I mention a Turbo Commander. They all claim that even the -10 engines
are a real pain and always breaking. At the same time these folks extol
the virtues of the PT-6 as found in a BE 200. Is this just ignorance on
their part? They are taking care of a very nice Conquest II and a King
Air 200 that is used for Life Flight, so they should know both power
plants very well.
I have known for quite some time that the TPE 331 can give a sloppy
pilot trouble, but there seems to be more to it than this for these
mechanics to be so slanted towards the PT-6. Any idea what's up here?
Kerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
Moe,
Not richer, just incomplete combustion due to the lack of 1/6 of the fire.
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Bijou" <Tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
| Subject: | Why all the negative Garrett talk? |
Kerry
I own 3 commanders a 695A a 695B and a 840 (it is a long story!). I have
also owned my share of PT6 powered aircraft over the years. I love the 331.
I must say that all the statistics support that if you are only going to
have one engine, you would like it to be a pt6, but I have never had a 331
problem that would cause me major concern or resulted in an in-flight
shutdown.
The things I like best are the lower fuel burn, ability to predict costs of
HSI and overhauls, the long TBO interval, the instant availability of power
and the simplicity of the engine. The bad things are that a bad shop can
really misrig the engine and make the aircraft a handful to fly ... I never
leave for a post maint. test flight with only one pilot in the aircraft.
Some people also complain about the noise, but they are mostly on the ramp!
Tom Bijou
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: Commander-List: Why all the negative Garrett talk?
We are looking into buying a turboprop for a client and are running into
all sorts of negative comments from the local A&P and IA mechanics, when
I mention a Turbo Commander. They all claim that even the -10 engines
are a real pain and always breaking. At the same time these folks extol
the virtues of the PT-6 as found in a BE 200. Is this just ignorance on
their part? They are taking care of a very nice Conquest II and a King
Air 200 that is used for Life Flight, so they should know both power
plants very well.
I have known for quite some time that the TPE 331 can give a sloppy
pilot trouble, but there seems to be more to it than this for these
mechanics to be so slanted towards the PT-6. Any idea what's up here?
Kerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
The loss of an inlet valve would cause the combusted air to be exhausted on
the last good cycle and after that the cylinder would operate with two
vacuum strokes on each cycle, sucking at whatever would leak into the
cylinder. After inlet valve failure, as soon as the exhaust valve opens, the
piston is at bdc and the vacuum will suck whatever is in the exhaust
manifold back into the cylinder. Since the exhaust manifold contains
incompletely combusted gases from the other cylinders (if there is a common
exhaust manifold, otherwise it will suck the gases from the previous
combustion back into the cylinder) the dead cylinder will fill up with this
mixture of very hot gas pumping it directly back into the exhaust manifold
during the exhaust stroke. After that the exhaust valve would close at tdc
and the cylinder would go back into another "vacuum" (inlet) stroke and
proceed to the compression stroke starting with a vacuum. At ignition,
perhaps very little will happen since there is no fuel nor any compression
and the power stroke will also be a vacuum stroke. I cannot imagine what
exactly would cause the black smoke unless some of the fuel accumulating
behind the inlet valve would be sucked in through imperfect seating of the
inlet valve and mess up the business real well. It is also possible that the
suction of the cylinder could actually suck the inlet valve open just enough
to let liquefied fuel into the cylinder. If non-vaporized fuel is mixed with
the hot exhaust gases sucked in from the exhaust manifold, it could cause a
secondary ignition inside the exhaust manifold, which will definitely cause
black smoke. That could make toast of exhaust packings and 'O' rings if the
condition is allowed to persist.
Not an answer, just a couple of thoughts.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION
>
> Moe,
> Not richer, just incomplete combustion due to the lack of 1/6 of the fire.
> Crunk
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero> |
| Subject: | IGSO-520-K,L,M,N |
Looking for a IGSO-520 K,L,M,N run out core engine to be rebuilt for a 685.
Does anyone know of a core?
The L & N engines came on 421C.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO 540 B1A QUESTION |
JB,
The 'F' goes out of annual in September and I'm strapped for time. Don't
think I'll be able to make it this year.
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO-520-K,L,M,N |
Correct Engine GTSIO-520K 425 HP
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero>
Subject: Commander-List: IGSO-520-K,L,M,N
>
> Looking for a IGSO-520 K,L,M,N run out core engine to be rebuilt for a
685.
> Does anyone know of a core?
> The L & N engines came on 421C.
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: IGSO-520-K,L,M,N |
In a message dated 8/27/2003 3:32:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
avtec2(at)bellsouth.net writes:
> Correct Engine GTSIO-520K 425 HP
>
435hp jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Well,
It looks like I'm going to get to fix my 680E. I will say nothing more
on the matter (for awhile), but a certain former partner of mine (with
the initials Paul Odum) should be kept at a distance at all costs...my
dealings with him (and, yes, my ignorance) are going to cost me better
than $30K by the time it's all over.
What I need now are a pair of serviceable (to me that means "very good")
engine mounts, and a pair of landing gear trusses for my AC68.
I would also be willing to sell it at a price that reflects the cost of
the needed repairs, plus a little. This is actually my first choice...
I'll miss you guys at the fly-in...
Cheers,
B
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Give me some part numbers and I will see what is available from here.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Gulp
>
> Well,
>
> It looks like I'm going to get to fix my 680E. I will say nothing more
> on the matter (for awhile), but a certain former partner of mine (with
> the initials Paul Odum) should be kept at a distance at all costs...my
> dealings with him (and, yes, my ignorance) are going to cost me better
> than $30K by the time it's all over.
>
> What I need now are a pair of serviceable (to me that means "very good")
> engine mounts, and a pair of landing gear trusses for my AC68.
>
> I would also be willing to sell it at a price that reflects the cost of
> the needed repairs, plus a little. This is actually my first choice...
>
> I'll miss you guys at the fly-in...
>
> Cheers,
>
> B
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Best of luck, Barry. Sad to hear about some members of homo sapiens. Life is
so short...
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Gulp
>
> Well,
>
> It looks like I'm going to get to fix my 680E. I will say nothing more
> on the matter (for awhile), but a certain former partner of mine (with
> the initials Paul Odum) should be kept at a distance at all costs...my
> dealings with him (and, yes, my ignorance) are going to cost me better
> than $30K by the time it's all over.
>
> What I need now are a pair of serviceable (to me that means "very good")
> engine mounts, and a pair of landing gear trusses for my AC68.
>
> I would also be willing to sell it at a price that reflects the cost of
> the needed repairs, plus a little. This is actually my first choice...
>
> I'll miss you guys at the fly-in...
>
> Cheers,
>
> B
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
Hi Barry,
I have in my possetion a brand new Truss Assy for a 680E LH inboard P/N
730046-403. Complete with 8130-3. Cost me US $ 1200.00. I will also be prepared
to
exchange it for a couple of parts I need.
Regards,
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
I would like to talk to you about the Aircraft, I Mite
Purchase the aircraft! Need a set of specs. Description
Harry Merritt I have the cash if price is right.
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Gulp
>
> Well,
>
> It looks like I'm going to get to fix my 680E. I will say nothing more
> on the matter (for awhile), but a certain former partner of mine (with
> the initials Paul Odum) should be kept at a distance at all costs...my
> dealings with him (and, yes, my ignorance) are going to cost me better
> than $30K by the time it's all over.
>
> What I need now are a pair of serviceable (to me that means "very good")
> engine mounts, and a pair of landing gear trusses for my AC68.
>
> I would also be willing to sell it at a price that reflects the cost of
> the needed repairs, plus a little. This is actually my first choice...
>
> I'll miss you guys at the fly-in...
>
> Cheers,
>
> B
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
Be very Careful!
----- Original Message -----
From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
>
> Bill,
>
> The two Commanders from Chile are now in the United States. The broker has
> them in the Miami area and is wanting to sell them both. Do you have any
> interest in them?
>
> A 1973 Shrike and a 1976 Shrike.
>
> Let me know if you want me to email you pictures of the aircraft.
>
> Kevin Coons
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net> |
| Subject: | Twin Commander 685 Engine Core(s) |
Tylor,
Yes, I think I may know the wherabouts of 1-2 cores of GTSIO-520-K-1B (which is
the EXACT build up variant you want for a 685). Do you want one or two? If
you get an engine (-L or -N) for a 421 you will spend lots of money getting the
accessories right for the 685....making it not the most economical course if
you can get the right variant in the first place. Also do NOT accept a -C core,
(there may still be a few of those out there) as that was what originally
delivered on the 685 in the mid-70's and they were horribly unreliable (and the
major reason the model never sold well)
George J. Yundt III
Twin Commander 685 SN 12061, N74CP
Office and After Hours 708-349-2121
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
What pars do you need
----- Original Message -----
From: <RnJThompson(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gulp
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I have in my possetion a brand new Truss Assy for a 680E LH inboard P/N
> 730046-403. Complete with 8130-3. Cost me US $ 1200.00. I will also be
prepared to
> exchange it for a couple of parts I need.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
What parts do you need
Harry 321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: <RnJThompson(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Gulp
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I have in my possetion a brand new Truss Assy for a 680E LH inboard P/N
> 730046-403. Complete with 8130-3. Cost me US $ 1200.00. I will also be
prepared to
> exchange it for a couple of parts I need.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Guys,
I am in training for the Avro RJ85 (BAE 146) with Mesaba Air Lines.
We had a trivia question about why the left hydraulic system was YELLOW
and why the right was GREEN.
The instructor said it was due to some nautical thing in the way past.
Does anybody know the answer?
Thanks
Fran
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Trivia Question |
> We had a trivia question about why the left hydraulic system was YELLOW
> and why the right was GREEN.
>
> The instructor said it was due to some nautical thing in the way past.
> Does anybody know the answer?
I'm guessing... Port vs. starboard? except red would not be a good colour
(indicates a problem), so they made it yellow?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
GOOD ADVISE FOR DEALING WITH ANYONE FROM MIAMI.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
>
> Be very Careful!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
>
>
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The two Commanders from Chile are now in the United States. The broker
has
> > them in the Miami area and is wanting to sell them both. Do you have any
> > interest in them?
> >
> > A 1973 Shrike and a 1976 Shrike.
> >
> > Let me know if you want me to email you pictures of the aircraft.
> >
> > Kevin Coons
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Trivia Question |
Do they put those 146's on floats now?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Trivia Question
>
> Hi Guys,
> I am in training for the Avro RJ85 (BAE 146) with Mesaba Air Lines.
> We had a trivia question about why the left hydraulic system was YELLOW
> and why the right was GREEN.
>
> The instructor said it was due to some nautical thing in the way past.
> Does anybody know the answer?
>
> Thanks
> Fran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
Barry,
The s/n's of the two Shrikes are 3148 & 3270. I would like to know what you
find out on those two planes.
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Bijou" <tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
| Subject: | Free if you want it |
I just removed an optical glass door window from a commander 695B that was
previously operated by the DEA. It is complete with frame which I believe
to be common in size to the 690/695 series. I have no need for it, if
anyone is interested I will be happy to ship it to you in exchange for you
paying the shipping cost. It is not light as the glass is >5/8" thick so
count on $20-$25 for ups ground shipping.
These are not factory parts so you would probably be facing a field approval
process to reinstall it.
It would also make a great window if anyone plans a backyard observatory!
Tom Bijou
800-500-1650
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| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
Hi Kevin,
I've attached two .xls files, covering the history of them both, as far as I
know.
As it can be difficult to get info from countries outside of the USA, I'd be
grateful to know whether you can add anything to either of them.
Also, if you can keep me posted on any sale developments, that'll be welcome
information too!
In the meantime,
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
|
|
| Barry,
|
| The s/n's of the two Shrikes are 3148 & 3270. I would like to know what you
| find out on those two planes.
|
| Kevin Coons
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders For Sale |
The People / Company that has the two 500S for sale
owe me $5,000.00 for work and fuel, please be very very careful.
Have a Annual Done, Not a pre buy.
HM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I've attached two .xls files, covering the history of them both, as far as
I
> know.
>
> As it can be difficult to get info from countries outside of the USA, I'd
be
> grateful to know whether you can add anything to either of them.
>
> Also, if you can keep me posted on any sale developments, that'll be
welcome
> information too!
>
> In the meantime,
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders For Sale
>
>
> |
> |
> | Barry,
> |
> | The s/n's of the two Shrikes are 3148 & 3270. I would like to know what
you
> | find out on those two planes.
> |
> | Kevin Coons
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Trivia Question |
All,
"Tradition" ---- many systems and so forth are referred to by colours in
British built aircraft, instead of 1, 2, 3, 4 as would happen on most US
built 4 engine aircraft.
Do you know why the 146 is the world's quietest aeroplane ---- because it
doesn't have enough power to make a noise. !!
BAe 146, the only aircraft with no engines and 4 APU's.
The only aircraft powered by 4 hair dryers.
And so the jokes go on.
Fran, seriously, if you have the slightest wiff of any engine oil in the
ECS, report it, downunder we have a number of pilots and cabin crew who
will never fly again, due to the effects of this long running problem.
Troll the web sites, there is an Ansett site somewhere out there on the
subject, plus quite a lot available on the Australian Federal Government
web site, as a result of Parliamentary inquiries.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Do they put those 146's on floats now?
>
>bilbo
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net>
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Trivia Question
>
>
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> > I am in training for the Avro RJ85 (BAE 146) with Mesaba Air Lines.
> > We had a trivia question about why the left hydraulic system was YELLOW
> > and why the right was GREEN.
> >
> > The instructor said it was due to some nautical thing in the way past.
> > Does anybody know the answer?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Fran
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Trivia Question |
In a message dated 8/29/2003 5:03:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
> Do they put those 146's on floats now?
Speaking of floats. I just got back from delivering a De Haverland Beaver,
on amphibs, from Samdpoint Idaho to Atlanta, GA. It was a great (slow) trip in
a wonderful old airplane. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
All,
It's become rather clear to me that the electric fuel pumps in early
Commanders are getting close to extinction, the quality of overhauls is not
improving, the parts are becoming harder and harder to find. Had a look for
an armature recently??
For my 500A, I am considering a mod to substitute more modern and easily
available pumps, external to the tanks, as on many aircraft.
Here in Australia we have what we call a Reg.35 or CAR 35 ( Civil Aviation
Regulation) Engineer, a bit like a Part 183 DER, but not quite, and a
system equivalent to a field approval, where the design for a modification
is both developed and certified by the "CAR 35" Engineer. This is the route
I will go, and given the basic recognition FAA accords our local standards,
this will be a good starting point for anybody wanting to do similar mod.
to a US registered aircraft.
Once the mod package is done, I will be quite happy to make the details
available to anybody considering the same modification.
I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any existing
similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ??
Does anybody out there have the performance specifications for the various
Adel pumps used ?? This is the starting point.
For the 500A the Aero Commander Part No. is # 626062-3-A6, the Adel Part
No. is #55895-1
Regards,
Bill hamilton.
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| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Bill,
I've heard that John Towner at Central Air might have done this already. I
would also like to know for the future. Contact him at
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
Regards,
Jimmy Rodriguez
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
All,
It's become rather clear to me that the electric fuel pumps in early
Commanders are getting close to extinction, the quality of overhauls is not
improving, the parts are becoming harder and harder to find. Had a look for
an armature recently??
For my 500A, I am considering a mod to substitute more modern and easily
available pumps, external to the tanks, as on many aircraft.
Here in Australia we have what we call a Reg.35 or CAR 35 ( Civil Aviation
Regulation) Engineer, a bit like a Part 183 DER, but not quite, and a
system equivalent to a field approval, where the design for a modification
is both developed and certified by the "CAR 35" Engineer. This is the route
I will go, and given the basic recognition FAA accords our local standards,
this will be a good starting point for anybody wanting to do similar mod.
to a US registered aircraft.
Once the mod package is done, I will be quite happy to make the details
available to anybody considering the same modification.
I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any existing
similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ??
Does anybody out there have the performance specifications for the various
Adel pumps used ?? This is the starting point.
For the 500A the Aero Commander Part No. is # 626062-3-A6, the Adel Part
No. is #55895-1
Regards,
Bill hamilton.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Which model numbers will this pump mod work on?
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Moe,
STC # SA00042WI issued to Central Air on the installation of nacelle mounted
electrical fuel boost pumps, covers the 500B, U and S.
Jimmy
N107VC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
Which model numbers will this pump mod work on?
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 09/03/03 07:33:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
jimmyr(at)popsecs.com writes:
> I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any existing
> similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ??
>
Yes, indeed.
John Towner / Central Air has STC SA 00042 for the 500 B, U and S models.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com> |
| Subject: | Congratulations TCFG! |
To Everyone on the Twin Commander Flight Group-
This morning we received our 10,000th hit to the web page. With over 7,500 unique
visitors over the past six months the Flight Group is doing a great job keeping
the Twin Commander community informed and up to date.
We look forward to seeing and hearing from many of you next weekend in Dayton Ohio
at the fly-in. It promises to be a great year and to help people 'find their
way', there are a few more links on the web page to help us all get there.
And remember, Daisy is still looking for Waldo. If you find Waldo on the Web Page,
you get a free day pass to the Wright Brothers Air Force Museum. Thanks
again...
Dan and Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Congratulations TCFG! |
To Dan & Chris,
Wow! That is really good news. Congratulations! And, of course, thanks are also
due to Chris Schuermann who instigated the original website.
Really looking forward to the Fly-In and meeting up with a good number of 'old'
friends again.
Recent chatlist items concerning STC's reminds me that the FAA have a website
for these, which can be accessed through the www.aerocommander.com website.
With that open, click on the 'Library' option. When that page loads, scroll down
and under the 'Quick References' option, choose 'STC's'. When that page loads,
there are further options, of which 'FAA STC Homepage' is probably the most
suitable. Remember that the Type Certificate numbers for us are "2A4" or "6A1".
It really is that simple!
Very Best Regards to All,
Barry C.
(UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Congratulations TCFG!
|
| To Everyone on the Twin Commander Flight Group-
|
| This morning we received our 10,000th hit to the web page. With over 7,500
unique visitors over the past six months the Flight Group is doing a great job
keeping the Twin Commander community informed and up to date.
|
| We look forward to seeing and hearing from many of you next weekend in Dayton
Ohio at the fly-in. It promises to be a great year and to help people 'find
their way', there are a few more links on the web page to help us all get there.
|
| And remember, Daisy is still looking for Waldo. If you find Waldo on the Web
Page, you get a free day pass to the Wright Brothers Air Force Museum. Thanks
again...
|
| Dan and Chris
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/3/2003 9:43:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> John Towner / Central Air has STC SA 00042 for the 500 B, U and S models.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
And John will be speaking at the convention, will all of you be there to hear
him??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Congratulations TCFG! |
In a message dated 9/3/2003 12:38:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dan(at)worldflight2000.com writes:
> This morning we received our 10,000th hit to the web page. With over 7,500
> unique visitors over the past six months the Flight Group is doing a great
> job keeping the Twin Commander community informed and up to date
WOW, WOW, WOW!!! Thanks guys. It will be so great to see you again!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Congratulations TCFG! |
Barry Collman wrote:
> thanks are also due to Chris Schuermann who instigated the original website.
You are too kind Barry - thank you for remembering!
Sorry I won't be meeting up with everyone this flyin. Between work and
other issues, I'm not going to be able to make it. Hope y'all have a
wonderful time and I, for one, would really appreciate it if someone
would take a bunch of digital pictures and put together a virtual report
like I did in the past for the web site. Havn't even had much time to
keep up on the chatlist and answer questions. I still get an amazing
number of calls each month from people with Commander questions and
still do my best to answer and then forward on to jb.
I've been wanting to write an article for the newsletter for a long time
regarding the engine/gear mount trusses, but I just don't see the spare
time soon, so I'm going to mention it here.
The main truss assemblies in the bathtub nacelle birds need attention!
Quite a few people know about this, but nobody seems to really want to
bring the issue to public light - probably over fear of an over-zealous
AD issuance. Although JB and I respectfully disagree over the severity
of this problem, in my opinion, this is a serious issue. Over the last
few years, every single Commander I've looked at has growing damage in
this area and it's just a matter of time before someone has an inflight
or landing failure in this area. Worst case is the physical loss of an
engine which could well result in an uncontrollable airplane, so this is
a serious issue.
For those of you who are not certain what I'm talking about, if you look
up in your nacelle, you'll see two large, triangular-shaped trusses.
They attach to the bottom of the wing, then protrude through the
firewall and become the engine mount attach ears. The bottom of the
truss is where the landing gear attaches to. These trusses are made of
7075-T651 aluminum. The is very hard material and subject to
intergranular corrosion - especially when put under strain. The typical
areas showing damage are the "ears" that stick through the firewall.
The damage is generally very hidden by the seals at the firewall.
Inspection requires the removal of the cover plates and seals from the
front side of the firewall, then inspection of the ears and the rest of
the assembly. To my knowledge, there is no official criteria for what
quantity of damage is allowable in this area. A number of mechanics
have polished out light corrosion and pitting, painted the area with
zinc-chromate, and allowed the aircraft to continue flying. As robust
as these trusses are, light damage is probably not terribly dangerous,
but due to the alloy used, it is virtually impossible to stop the aging
and deterioration of this part. The good news is that replacing the
truss is not horribly difficult. The bad news is that it is
time-consuming. Anway, I'd urge all bathtub owners to check this area
carefully at your next annual and take appropriate action. Seems like a
great TCFG project would be to analyze this part and come up with some
"continuing airworthiness" criteria for acceptable damage repair and
also maybe produce a repair kit containing new trusses and a hardware
package required to install (remember you CAN replace those big rivets
with bolts during re-assembly).
Hope this helps keep everyone safe!
Chris Schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
All,
Thank you all for the replies, it does look like the Lycoming aircraft are
well covered, and I will contact Central Air.
I must re-look at the FAA STC database, I have missed that one.
However, the problem remains for the very few aircraft like the 500A with
IO-470 TCM engines, so I am still searching for specifications for the Adel
55895-1 pump, AC P/N 626062-3-A6, which is only on the 500A.
Can anyone tell me the fate of Adel, the only hits on various search
engines are all Adel-Wiggins, and we all know and love "Adel Clamps", where
would we be without them.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Bill,
>
>I've heard that John Towner at Central Air might have done this already. I
>would also like to know for the future. Contact him at
>johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
>
>Regards,
>
>Jimmy Rodriguez
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
>HAMILTON
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
>
>
>
>
>All,
>It's become rather clear to me that the electric fuel pumps in early
>Commanders are getting close to extinction, the quality of overhauls is not
>improving, the parts are becoming harder and harder to find. Had a look for
>an armature recently??
>
>For my 500A, I am considering a mod to substitute more modern and easily
>available pumps, external to the tanks, as on many aircraft.
>
>Here in Australia we have what we call a Reg.35 or CAR 35 ( Civil Aviation
>Regulation) Engineer, a bit like a Part 183 DER, but not quite, and a
>system equivalent to a field approval, where the design for a modification
>is both developed and certified by the "CAR 35" Engineer. This is the route
>I will go, and given the basic recognition FAA accords our local standards,
>this will be a good starting point for anybody wanting to do similar mod.
>to a US registered aircraft.
>
>Once the mod package is done, I will be quite happy to make the details
>available to anybody considering the same modification.
>
>I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any existing
>similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ??
>
>Does anybody out there have the performance specifications for the various
>Adel pumps used ?? This is the starting point.
>
>For the 500A the Aero Commander Part No. is # 626062-3-A6, the Adel Part
>No. is #55895-1
>
>Regards,
>Bill hamilton.
>
>
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>three months, the date will be notified.
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
This is probably no help, but http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com/ will
overhaul it. They have done 2 of mine and they work.
Having said that you are going the RIGHT WAY with externally mounted pumps.
If you get a bad overhaul you don't need to de-fuel the tanks. There are
places on this airplane where there was "too much colledge and not enough
high school"
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
>
> All,
> Thank you all for the replies, it does look like the Lycoming aircraft are
> well covered, and I will contact Central Air.
> I must re-look at the FAA STC database, I have missed that one.
>
> However, the problem remains for the very few aircraft like the 500A with
> IO-470 TCM engines, so I am still searching for specifications for the
Adel
> 55895-1 pump, AC P/N 626062-3-A6, which is only on the 500A.
>
> Can anyone tell me the fate of Adel, the only hits on various search
> engines are all Adel-Wiggins, and we all know and love "Adel Clamps",
where
> would we be without them.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> >
> >Bill,
> >
> >I've heard that John Towner at Central Air might have done this already.
I
> >would also like to know for the future. Contact him at
> >johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jimmy Rodriguez
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
> >HAMILTON
> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >All,
> >It's become rather clear to me that the electric fuel pumps in early
> >Commanders are getting close to extinction, the quality of overhauls is
not
> >improving, the parts are becoming harder and harder to find. Had a look
for
> >an armature recently??
> >
> >For my 500A, I am considering a mod to substitute more modern and easily
> >available pumps, external to the tanks, as on many aircraft.
> >
> >Here in Australia we have what we call a Reg.35 or CAR 35 ( Civil
Aviation
> >Regulation) Engineer, a bit like a Part 183 DER, but not quite, and a
> >system equivalent to a field approval, where the design for a
modification
> >is both developed and certified by the "CAR 35" Engineer. This is the
route
> >I will go, and given the basic recognition FAA accords our local
standards,
> >this will be a good starting point for anybody wanting to do similar mod.
> >to a US registered aircraft.
> >
> >Once the mod package is done, I will be quite happy to make the details
> >available to anybody considering the same modification.
> >
> >I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any
existing
> >similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ??
> >
> >Does anybody out there have the performance specifications for the
various
> >Adel pumps used ?? This is the starting point.
> >
> >For the 500A the Aero Commander Part No. is # 626062-3-A6, the Adel Part
> >No. is #55895-1
> >
> >Regards,
> >Bill hamilton.
> >
> >
> > COMMUNICATIONS
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> >
> > and
> > all remain valid.
> >All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> >three months, the date will be notified.
> >
> >
>
>
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> all remain valid.
> All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> three months, the date will be notified.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Last weekend I blew the last of the 4 exhaust stacks on the 500A. I flew 3
hours before something broke. Somebody will get a GREAT airplane when I'm
done.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Congratulations TCFG! |
Thanks for the note, Chris. Nice to hear from you again.
I hope your business is getting some decent traction. We have been in a lull
too this past year seeing our revenues drop nearly 80% but we invested in
different areas that are less susceptible to dotcom variations and it needs
to pay off soon. (Very soon!)
Your admonition on the bathtub nacelle type Commanders' engine / gear
trusses is very interesting. You may or may not know that I owned a straight
500 for a long time and never even bothered to look at the trusses. Just
goes to show, one is never too old to learn.
Your pioneer work on the website has resulted in a nice, growing venture and
everybody who's been around at the time fondly remembers your efforts.
Stay healthy and write more often!
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Congratulations TCFG!
>
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
> > thanks are also due to Chris Schuermann who instigated the original
website.
>
> You are too kind Barry - thank you for remembering!
>
> Sorry I won't be meeting up with everyone this flyin. Between work and
> other issues, I'm not going to be able to make it. Hope y'all have a
> wonderful time and I, for one, would really appreciate it if someone
> would take a bunch of digital pictures and put together a virtual report
> like I did in the past for the web site. Havn't even had much time to
> keep up on the chatlist and answer questions. I still get an amazing
> number of calls each month from people with Commander questions and
> still do my best to answer and then forward on to jb.
>
> I've been wanting to write an article for the newsletter for a long time
> regarding the engine/gear mount trusses, but I just don't see the spare
> time soon, so I'm going to mention it here.
> The main truss assemblies in the bathtub nacelle birds need attention!
> Quite a few people know about this, but nobody seems to really want to
> bring the issue to public light - probably over fear of an over-zealous
> AD issuance. Although JB and I respectfully disagree over the severity
> of this problem, in my opinion, this is a serious issue. Over the last
> few years, every single Commander I've looked at has growing damage in
> this area and it's just a matter of time before someone has an inflight
> or landing failure in this area. Worst case is the physical loss of an
> engine which could well result in an uncontrollable airplane, so this is
> a serious issue.
> For those of you who are not certain what I'm talking about, if you look
> up in your nacelle, you'll see two large, triangular-shaped trusses.
> They attach to the bottom of the wing, then protrude through the
> firewall and become the engine mount attach ears. The bottom of the
> truss is where the landing gear attaches to. These trusses are made of
> 7075-T651 aluminum. The is very hard material and subject to
> intergranular corrosion - especially when put under strain. The typical
> areas showing damage are the "ears" that stick through the firewall.
> The damage is generally very hidden by the seals at the firewall.
> Inspection requires the removal of the cover plates and seals from the
> front side of the firewall, then inspection of the ears and the rest of
> the assembly. To my knowledge, there is no official criteria for what
> quantity of damage is allowable in this area. A number of mechanics
> have polished out light corrosion and pitting, painted the area with
> zinc-chromate, and allowed the aircraft to continue flying. As robust
> as these trusses are, light damage is probably not terribly dangerous,
> but due to the alloy used, it is virtually impossible to stop the aging
> and deterioration of this part. The good news is that replacing the
> truss is not horribly difficult. The bad news is that it is
> time-consuming. Anway, I'd urge all bathtub owners to check this area
> carefully at your next annual and take appropriate action. Seems like a
> great TCFG project would be to analyze this part and come up with some
> "continuing airworthiness" criteria for acceptable damage repair and
> also maybe produce a repair kit containing new trusses and a hardware
> package required to install (remember you CAN replace those big rivets
> with bolts during re-assembly).
>
> Hope this helps keep everyone safe!
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Bill,
Thanks for the tip, I usually use Thunder Aviation in Sun Valley,
California, but in part I am taking their advice, which is to go to modern
pumps.
I always carry a spare pump in the T-28, but I can still buy those new old
stock, Thunder just check them over, new seals etc, and give me an 8130.3.
For my 500A, I need a spare, everywhere is a long way from anywhere in
Australia, and the quotes for a spare, OHC, and Thunder's advice, have
pointed me in this direction.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>This is probably no help, but http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com/ will
>overhaul it. They have done 2 of mine and they work.
>
>Having said that you are going the RIGHT WAY with externally mounted pumps.
>If you get a bad overhaul you don't need to de-fuel the tanks. There are
>places on this airplane where there was "too much colledge and not enough
>high school"
>
>bilbo
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
>To:
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
>
>
>
> >
> > All,
> > Thank you all for the replies, it does look like the Lycoming aircraft are
> > well covered, and I will contact Central Air.
> > I must re-look at the FAA STC database, I have missed that one.
> >
> > However, the problem remains for the very few aircraft like the 500A with
> > IO-470 TCM engines, so I am still searching for specifications for the
>Adel
> > 55895-1 pump, AC P/N 626062-3-A6, which is only on the 500A.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me the fate of Adel, the only hits on various search
> > engines are all Adel-Wiggins, and we all know and love "Adel Clamps",
>where
> > would we be without them.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >I've heard that John Towner at Central Air might have done this already.
>I
> > >would also like to know for the future. Contact him at
> > >johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Jimmy Rodriguez
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
> > >HAMILTON
> > >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > >Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Pumps
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >All,
> > >It's become rather clear to me that the electric fuel pumps in early
> > >Commanders are getting close to extinction, the quality of overhauls is
>not
> > >improving, the parts are becoming harder and harder to find. Had a look
>for
> > >an armature recently??
> > >
> > >For my 500A, I am considering a mod to substitute more modern and easily
> > >available pumps, external to the tanks, as on many aircraft.
> > >
> > >Here in Australia we have what we call a Reg.35 or CAR 35 ( Civil
>Aviation
> > >Regulation) Engineer, a bit like a Part 183 DER, but not quite, and a
> > >system equivalent to a field approval, where the design for a
>modification
> > >is both developed and certified by the "CAR 35" Engineer. This is the
>route
> > >I will go, and given the basic recognition FAA accords our local
>standards,
> > >this will be a good starting point for anybody wanting to do similar mod.
> > >to a US registered aircraft.
> > >
> > >Once the mod package is done, I will be quite happy to make the details
> > >available to anybody considering the same modification.
> > >
> > >I have not noticed any STC's on the list, does anybody know of any
>existing
> > >similar mods., to save me reinventing the wheel ??
> > >
> > >Does anybody out there have the performance specifications for the
>various
> > >Adel pumps used ?? This is the starting point.
> > >
> > >For the 500A the Aero Commander Part No. is # 626062-3-A6, the Adel Part
> > >No. is #55895-1
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Bill hamilton.
> > >
> > >
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Congratulations TCFG! |
css nico wrote:
> Thanks for the note, Chris. Nice to hear from you again.
> I hope your business is getting some decent traction.
Thanks Nico!
Business is finally starting to pick back up a bit. There was so much
red ink over the last two years the balance sheet looked like a prop
from the "Texas chainsaw massacre"! Sadly, aviation was one of the
first things impacted. I'm finally back in the air and have really been
enjoying my Aztruck. What a sweet little twin to fly on a tight budget.
> You may or may not know that I owned a straight
> 500 for a long time and never even bothered to look at the trusses.
I actually did not know that. I definitly didn't intend to frighten
anyone, but I do feel strongly that this is an issue to be dealt with
proactivly rather than waiting for the eventual trauma to occur. An
inspection of this part should fall under normal inspection proceedures
except that the critical area is hidden and a lot of folks just don't
know to look there. Right now, it's a simple issue of identifying a
damaged part and repairing or replacing as required. If someone does
have an inflight failure, it could end up being a blemish on the
perception of Commanders and we don't need another one of those! We all
know that the FAA would issue some draconian AD requiring a total
rebuild of the wing structure or something like that. There's also a
side brace in the nacelle that attaches to the wing spar at the extreme
forward/outboard edge that seems to need inspection as well. The attach
point in my 520 was 90% rotted through and probably would have failed if
I'd have made a crossed-up landing. Fortunatly, the FAA is looking to
"type clubs" for assistance in assuring that all the old airplanes are
being maintained in a safe condition. The TCFG is just going to become
more and more valuable in protecting the value of these airplanes and
the safety of the owners as time goes on.
> Stay healthy and write more often!
Thanks again Nico. I'll endevor to do both! Take care.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Congratulations TCFG! |
Hey guys, this problem existed on my 560e. I got it fixed with a 8110 from Fred
Gates out of Oklahoma, basically by using doubler plates after removing all corrision
and an eddie current test. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH OUR FLEET. THE
CORRISON SEEM BY THE EYE IS LESS THAN 50% OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY PRESENT.
Chris Schuermann
css nico wrote:
> Thanks for the note, Chris. Nice to hear from you again.
> I hope your business is getting some decent traction.
Thanks Nico!
Business is finally starting to pick back up a bit. There was so much
red ink over the last two years the balance sheet looked like a prop
from the "Texas chainsaw massacre"! Sadly, aviation was one of the
first things impacted. I'm finally back in the air and have really been
enjoying my Aztruck. What a sweet little twin to fly on a tight budget.
> You may or may not know that I owned a straight
> 500 for a long time and never even bothered to look at the trusses.
I actually did not know that. I definitly didn't intend to frighten
anyone, but I do feel strongly that this is an issue to be dealt with
proactivly rather than waiting for the eventual trauma to occur. An
inspection of this part should fall under normal inspection proceedures
except that the critical area is hidden and a lot of folks just don't
know to look there. Right now, it's a simple issue of identifying a
damaged part and repairing or replacing as required. If someone does
have an inflight failure, it could end up being a blemish on the
perception of Commanders and we don't need another one of those! We all
know that the FAA would issue some draconian AD requiring a total
rebuild of the wing structure or something like that. There's also a
side brace in the nacelle that attaches to the wing spar at the extreme
forward/outboard edge that seems to need inspection as well. The attach
point in my 520 was 90% rotted through and probably would have failed if
I'd have made a crossed-up landing. Fortunatly, the FAA is looking to
"type clubs" for assistance in assuring that all the old airplanes are
being maintained in a safe condition. The TCFG is just going to become
more and more valuable in protecting the value of these airplanes and
the safety of the owners as time goes on.
> Stay healthy and write more often!
Thanks again Nico. I'll endevor to do both! Take care.
Chris
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS..
I have been contacted by a Service Center who is trying to install a
set of Cleveland's on a straight 560 (no STC) I know we have addressed this
before, does anybody have the name of a 560 owner who has done this who might
share their 337 form?? Thanks. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
Jim, call me. If a 560e works then I got it. 616 437-0864
HI KIDS..
I have been contacted by a Service Center who is trying to install a
set of Cleveland's on a straight 560 (no STC) I know we have addressed this
before, does anybody have the name of a 560 owner who has done this who might
share their 337 form?? Thanks. jb
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/5/2003 2:48:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com writes:
> Jim, call me. If a 560e works then I got it. 616 437-0864
Sadly, no. The straight 560 (and 520) have different gear and no STC.
Thanks!! See ya at the convention sooooooooooooooooooooon. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Bill Hamilto - Changes of E-Mail Address. |
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Please note changes of contact details for:
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| Subject: | trusses and mounts |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Well, looks like I get to repair 680E as the market for an otherwise
nice airplane with corroded trusses and engine mounts is a little soft
right now....
I need two complete sets of trusses (R/L) and two engine mounts. If
anyone has or knows of any, please let me know. Morris has located a
few but the guys who have them seem to think they're made out of
platinum or have the Wright Bros. autograph on them.....
Please call me or email me off list.
BTW, my project CJ-6 that I've spent the last 3 years, 6 months, and 23
days restoring took to the air for the first time a few days ago. It
was quite a feeling to get her in the air after waiting that long. The
engine didn't quit, the wings stayed on, and there was no smoke in the
cockpit for the entire 37 minutes of the flight. There's the usual
squawk list that accompanies a plane flying for the first time, but at
least I have *a* flying airplane now.
I just hope 680E doesn't take that long....
Cheers,
B
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Well folks,
Another lesson learned.
If you have ANY patches on your exhaust pipes consider them time bombs. The
last of my "tail pipes" has blown. I am taking all the exhaust off of the
remaining engine and sending it off to AWI. All of the pipes have failed in
30 hours of operation.
Somebody is going to get a nice airplane:>(
bilbo
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
OOOPPPSS.
The point was they won't be fixed in time to get to Dayton.
I think I'll have a beer now.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: convention
>
> Well folks,
>
> Another lesson learned.
>
> If you have ANY patches on your exhaust pipes consider them time bombs.
The
> last of my "tail pipes" has blown. I am taking all the exhaust off of the
> remaining engine and sending it off to AWI. All of the pipes have failed
in
> 30 hours of operation.
>
> Somebody is going to get a nice airplane:>(
>
> bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/7/2003 2:34:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
> The point was they won't be fixed in time to get to Dayton.
Fly in on the "crowd killer" We want you not your Commander!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Rayjay turbo |
In a message dated 9/7/2003 5:46:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, Flyboymrw
writes:
>
> Yes, I am doing a restore on a 1962 500B. I have lyco I0540 which I am
> putting the rayjay turbos on. I need to get a copy of the electronic schematic
for
> the proper wiring could you provide some Direction. My Tail number is N500WY
> thank you.
Tylor....Can you help him?? See you soon. jb
From: Flyboymrw(at)aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:46:20 EDT
Subject: Rayjay turbo
Yes, I am doing a restore on a 1962 500B. I have lyco I0540 which I am
putting the rayjay turbos on. I need to get a copy of the electronic schematic
for
the proper wiring could you provide some Direction. My Tail number is N500WY
thank you.
Yes, I am doing a restore on a 1962 500B. I have lyco I0540 which I am putting
the rayjay turbos on.=20I need to get a copy of the electronic schematic for the
proper wiring could you provide some Direction. My Tail number is N500WY thank
you.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Bath tub Commanders |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
I'd like to thank Chris for voicing his opinion on the truss/corrosion
issue for the bath tub Commanders. I think Chris very delicately was
trying to put out a wake-up call before the FAA does.
CONSIDER THIS:
In a short while, the FAA will issue an AD on all piston 400 series
Cessnas regarding inner granular corrosion around their wing attach
points. The fix *only* cost $14,000.....PLUS 700 HOURS OF LABOR!!!!
Read that again, folks. Uncle Math says that's roughly a $50K fix
because of inner granular.
FACT:
Inner granular corrosion is to airplanes what cancer is to
humans....with one exception. No "surgery", with the exception of
"amputation," will cure it. Inner granular occurs on the molecular
level and therefore you CANNOT be adequately sure that you have "cut
out" the corrosion. No amount of grinding or "dressing out" the
affected area will stop the corrosion process. It may *look* like it's
gone, but years later (maybe 2 years, maybe 4, but it won't be 8 or 10)
it will show up again. The larger problem is that anyone operating an
airplane that has had the corrosion "treated" has planted the seeds for
disaster as the corrosion continues to destroy the strength of the
structure without any visible signs present for a very long time. In
fact, as Chris suggested, the first visible sign may be the engine less
than gracefully departing the wing structure and impacting the ground
ever so slightly ahead of the owner's ignorant butt...hopefully he has
not sealed his family's fate as well.
Dramatic? Yes. It is also certainly in the realm of possibility...and
the longer the problem goes unaddressed (or incorrectly ad-"dressed")
possibility turns into probability. But don't take my word for the
seriousness of inner granular corrosion, just ask the P-51 owner who
bought a $1.1M Mustang and now will be lucky to get $700K for it due to
inner granular. If the problem could be adequately addressed by less
than R&R of the affected parts, the hit would be significantly less than
that.
SOLUTION:
Well, this is where the TCFG and it's members come in. First we need to
educate everyone about the hard science of inner granular corrosion.
Once this is understood, it is clear that sooner or later the affected
parts need to be replaced or reinforced in such a way that the corroded
parts cannot effect (infect) the new structure. Sure you can "fix" the
problem by dressing and treating but this is merely a band aid that does
not correct the problem in the long run. I'd really be interested in
hearing more about Buddy's fix as well. And let's do all of ourselves
(us bath tub guys, that is) a favor and be proactive about this. I'm
certain we won't like the consequences if we don't.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
I juat finished installing a new right rear fuel cell in Bill Boughan's beautiful
500A Colemill and she is topped off with fuel ready for a 8:00 am departure
from Orlando Country airport tommorrow morning. (Am I ever glad that I didn't
destroy the 20 year old center fuel cell in the process, leaving me without a
ride to the fly-in, must be all that clean livin) Sorry for the short notice
but if anybody would like a ride from a point that is along our route give me
a call tonight. See ya in Dayton.
Chris
979-218-9888
P.S. The first round at Hooter's tommorrow night, is on me.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ride to Dayton |
See you there.
HM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Ride to Dayton
>
> I juat finished installing a new right rear fuel cell in Bill Boughan's
beautiful 500A Colemill and she is topped off with fuel ready for a 8:00 am
departure from Orlando Country airport tommorrow morning. (Am I ever glad
that I didn't destroy the 20 year old center fuel cell in the process,
leaving me without a ride to the fly-in, must be all that clean livin) Sorry
for the short notice but if anybody would like a ride from a point that is
along our route give me a call tonight. See ya in Dayton.
>
> Chris
> 979-218-9888
>
> P.S. The first round at Hooter's tommorrow night, is on me.
>
>
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| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
I'll be departing RIC around 6:00 am on the 12th. If anyone in the area
would like a lift...
804-285-9595
334-7703
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | bath tub trusses |
chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of the
aluminum?
>
> does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin commander?
>
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: bath tub trusses |
alh1(at)juno.com wrote:
> chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of the
> aluminum?
Howdy
I assume this was directed at me and not Mr Wall...
Yes, I could do the CAD designs and create the files so these parts
coule be laser or water-jet cut or done on a CNC mill. This type of
reverse engineering tends to be a little costly upfront due to all the
hours required to get an accurate model of the part. If some quantity
of parts were needed, it would quickly become very attractive to produce
this way though.
I'm not certain how many variations of the basic truss were used. The
units in the 520 and 560 appear to be identical and may even be the same
through the 680E, but I'm just not sure. I also suspect that we
couldn't put in all the rivet holes for the "hat channel" down the
sides. Judging from the hole pattern, they were not drilled on a jig so
would have to be hand drilled to match each airplane.
Maybe someone like Morris has a pile of different trusses around that
they could inspect and let me know if they're all exactly the same.
Chris Schuermann
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| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: bath tub trusses |
I think you also could reference the original drawings if you cantact
Geoffery.
Bruce Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
>
>
> alh1(at)juno.com wrote:
> > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of the
> > aluminum?
>
> Howdy
> I assume this was directed at me and not Mr Wall...
> Yes, I could do the CAD designs and create the files so these parts
> coule be laser or water-jet cut or done on a CNC mill. This type of
> reverse engineering tends to be a little costly upfront due to all the
> hours required to get an accurate model of the part. If some quantity
> of parts were needed, it would quickly become very attractive to produce
> this way though.
>
> I'm not certain how many variations of the basic truss were used. The
> units in the 520 and 560 appear to be identical and may even be the same
> through the 680E, but I'm just not sure. I also suspect that we
> couldn't put in all the rivet holes for the "hat channel" down the
> sides. Judging from the hole pattern, they were not drilled on a jig so
> would have to be hand drilled to match each airplane.
> Maybe someone like Morris has a pile of different trusses around that
> they could inspect and let me know if they're all exactly the same.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Brake pads to return |
We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have it out
in a couple of days.
Sorry for the delay.
Bruce Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
>
>
> chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of the
> aluminum?
> >
> > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin commander?
> >
>
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: bath tub trusses |
There is a brand new member available from Richard Thompson in Aust. He
ordered it and doesn't need it. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Not much time but a quick update. There are 13 Commander on the
ramp with 3 more in route. e feed 70+ people last night. This is a great
gathering, the largest yet. Lots of new faces. 2-685s, 2- 680FPs I wish the
"regulars" could have made it. more later. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.......
Just another quick update. There are 17 Commanders on the
ramp!! Counting the airplanes that already live here, there are a total of 24
Commanders at one place, Way Cool!! We had a wonderful evening last night. Our
banquet feed about 70 people. We gave Dick Warmonger's son Greg his Dada's
"Lifetime Achievement Award." It is a polished Hartzell Propeller blade mounted
on a mahogany base. I was a very special time for all. I did the charity
auction for a foundation that Greg has set up to help young A & P Machanics in
school buy tools, we raised $1400 from memorabilia from Dicks basement, cool
stuff.
Yesterday was filled with speakers representing all of the major
avionics suppliers demonstrating the latest in "weather in the cockpit" technology.
Today, Ndt testing, aging aircraft and much more.
John Towner is here with his son from Kansas City in a 20000hr 500B.
next years conventio will be held at his facility.
Winner aviation paid for an open bar last night as well as yesterday's
lunch. This is by far the best gathering we have had. Best attendance, most
Commanders, best weather and most FUN!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
Hi there:
I am in need on new brake disks for my 680F, which uses cleveland power brakes.Part
# 16407200. Any hints as to where I can get them as well as Champion
Spark Plugs RHB-36S. Thankyou!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au |
G'day All,
Congratulations to Capt Jimbob and the fabulous
team at Commander Aero for putting together the
best TCFG Flyin yet.
There is no doubt that the incredible strength of the
TCFG is in its vast diversity of members and the
passion with which we all love the Aero Commander.
It is clear that the network has gone to a new level of
strength and I get the feeling that more and more
people and organisations are sitting sharply upright
and taking notice of the ever growing strengh of the
TCFG collective voice.
The assembled fleet of Commanders this weekend
must be a record with nearly a full cross-section of
types represented.
The TCFG is a fascinating collection of true-
believers...lets all keep the dream alive!!
Many thanks Jimbob
and Commander Aero!
Cheers
Russell
(on the way back to Oz!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Capt. JimBob,
Thanks for the field report. Had a trip to Portland, OR (KPDX) on Friday with
an r.o.n.
Saw a very handsome Shrike land and taxi into Flightcraft and kinda got a lump
in my throat, being reminded that I was missing the Fly-In.
Would have loved to bid on some of Dick Wartinger's nick-nacks!
Keep up the good work. Say hello to everyone for me.
Wish I was there.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/13/2003 12:45:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au writes:
> Many thanks Jimbob
> and Commander Aero!
>
Thank You!! If all of you were not there, there would be no flyin. Thanks
for your dedication!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland Disck |
In a message dated 9/13/2003 11:09:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
> I am in need on new brake disks for my 680F, which uses Cleveland power
> brakes.Part # 16407200. Any hints as to where I can get them as well as
> Champion Spark Plugs RHB-36S. Thankyou!!!
Yes, I just ordered a set for my Commander. I will get the information when
I return home. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
What a great day! The convention is over an a great success!!
We finished up early enough to get some flying in. I gave Dick Wartingers
grand daughter a Commander ride, it was great. I also flew some formation with
Bob Steele in his beautiful shrike. He and Bob & Stan Perkins were on there
way to another flying event.
Now, get this. Bob & Stan perkins were there to pick up there new
681, century airplane. Barry Collman offered to research there airplane and
since he was into the data base anyway, Bob asked Barry to look up some of his
other previously owned Commander. One was a 680E, N3618C. Well, giuse what.
3618C is now...........N222JS!! He owned my Commander!!
Got to go. Having dinner with Yoda, Jimmy Rodiguiz, Barry Coleman and
Moe Mills. More to come. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Capt. Jimbob,
Great show. Congratulations. On my way back through DFW bought the October
issue of Private Pilot. On the cover there's a picture of Alfredo Lippman's
680E and a very nice article indeed. This airplane is special in that Sr.
Lippman has been its sole owner for all of its life.
Thanks for the acrobatics lesson. Pepe is saving for the next one!
Best Regards,
Jimmy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com> |
Most interesting and entertaining formation flying I ever saw!
And the Perkins agreed.
Thanks JB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
HI KIDS.
What a great day! The convention is over an a great success!!
We finished up early enough to get some flying in. I gave Dick Wartingers
grand daughter a Commander ride, it was great. I also flew some formation
with
Bob Steele in his beautiful shrike. He and Bob & Stan Perkins were on there
way to another flying event.
Now, get this. Bob & Stan perkins were there to pick up there new
681, century airplane. Barry Collman offered to research there airplane and
since he was into the data base anyway, Bob asked Barry to look up some of
his
other previously owned Commander. One was a 680E, N3618C. Well, giuse
what.
3618C is now...........N222JS!! He owned my Commander!!
Got to go. Having dinner with Yoda, Jimmy Rodiguiz, Barry Coleman
and
Moe Mills. More to come. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
HI guys.
Sorry that I couldn't make it to the flyin. But I read the emails with great
joy as those who returned checked in. There should be a write-up of some
sorts for us to feast in since that's all we will have. Perhaps next year.
I also read (and re-read) the article about 680E TG-DEL and was particularly
impressed by the good condition of the nose and other skins, since reckless
handling appears to dent those areas soon. She just looks well taken care
of. What a feast for the eye that must be!
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> Capt. Jimbob,
>
> Great show. Congratulations. On my way back through DFW bought the October
> issue of Private Pilot. On the cover there's a picture of Alfredo
Lippman's
> 680E and a very nice article indeed. This airplane is special in that Sr.
> Lippman has been its sole owner for all of its life.
>
> Thanks for the acrobatics lesson. Pepe is saving for the next one!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jimmy
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
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Matronics Email List Admin.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Walter Stafford <stafford(at)bbri.org> |
| Subject: | Re: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At |
Matronics...
> Its
>time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
>SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
>solution.
>
Dear Matt,
Could you tell me which software you are using for the spam filtering?
Thanks,
Walter
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mailto:stafford(at)bbri.org
direct dial: 617-658-7808
receptionist: 617-926-8040
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/15/2003 6:31:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jimmyr(at)popsecs.com writes:
> acrobatics lesson.
You mean "steep turns" right!! Thanks so much for coming, it was so great to
see you again. Tell Pepe he still "owes" me ;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake pads to return |
I Have the Flat if you Still need
Thanks Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
> We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have it
out
> in a couple of days.
>
> Sorry for the delay.
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
>
>
> >
> >
> > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of the
> > aluminum?
> > >
> > > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin commander?
> > >
> >
> >
> > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!! |
HI KIDS...
There are no words to express the gratitude I feel for John
Bosch, Scherry Diamond, Gary Kromer and all of the wonder full staff at
Commander Aero. Their planing and hospitality are legendary. The words "Thank
You"
simply don't convey the feelings that I have for these people and what they
have done for our group, but lacking any other option, I can only say THANK YOU
FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
And, thanks to all who attended. There were about 70 Commander
owners, venders and speakers in attendance this year, by far the largest I have
had
the pleasure to host. 17 airplanes made the trip with only two "no shows."
Several people went to extraordinary measures to be there. Tylor Hall
and his crew fought terrible weather in their 500B and arrived at about 11pm
on Thursday evening to be there! Morris Kernickand Bob Perkins were riding
with John Vormbaum and finaly gave up and parked there 500B in New Mexico but
undaunted, thery jumped on the next available "Crowd Killer" and were there for
the Thursday evening dinner!
Regardless of the planing that is done for these events, if people
wont come, it will be a failure. This was the best attended event we have had
and it is the loyalty shown by those who simply wont be dissuaded that make this
event so special. To all of them, THANKS!!.
Russel Laegg and Richard Thompson were both there from Australia. My
dear friend and our offical historian Barry Collman made the trip from the UK.
Barry has been at EVERY TCFG event, every one!! Buddy Windham, Lou Tran,
Bob Murdock, Bob Steele, Andy Bustillo, John Towner, Dick Maccoon, Jerry
Sprayberry, Bill Boughn, Mike Hudgins, George Yundt, Phil Stubbs and Moe Mills
all
brought there great Commanders there. Moe flew 1665KMs! Thanks, Thanks!!!
We had 2- 560Fs, 2 685s, 2- 680F(P)s,and 2- 500Ss. There was a
straight 500, 560E, 680E, 500A and several 500Bs, including one with 20000hr TT.
Counting the airplanes that already lived there, there were 24 Commanders on the
ramp!!
We had many new faces this year but we did miss the "Southern Wing" if
the TCFG. Milt Concannon, Joe Shepheard, Jim Crunkelton and Chris Schurmann
and John Williams were all absent. We all missed them and hope they will be
able to attend next years event at John Towners facility in Kansas City. Plans
are already underway to make it even better than this year.
I am honored and humbled to represent such a great group. Thanks for
the opportunity and for the great friendships and memories. Jim Metzger,
Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!! |
I guess I'm in the "Mickey Mouse Wing"
bilbo:>(
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!!
>
> HI KIDS...
>
> There are no words to express the gratitude I feel for
John
> Bosch, Scherry Diamond, Gary Kromer and all of the wonder full staff at
> Commander Aero. Their planing and hospitality are legendary. The words
"Thank You"
> simply don't convey the feelings that I have for these people and what
they
> have done for our group, but lacking any other option, I can only say
THANK YOU
> FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
> And, thanks to all who attended. There were about 70 Commander
> owners, venders and speakers in attendance this year, by far the largest I
have had
> the pleasure to host. 17 airplanes made the trip with only two "no
shows."
> Several people went to extraordinary measures to be there. Tylor
Hall
> and his crew fought terrible weather in their 500B and arrived at about
11pm
> on Thursday evening to be there! Morris Kernickand Bob Perkins were
riding
> with John Vormbaum and finaly gave up and parked there 500B in New Mexico
but
> undaunted, thery jumped on the next available "Crowd Killer" and were
there for
> the Thursday evening dinner!
> Regardless of the planing that is done for these events, if people
> wont come, it will be a failure. This was the best attended event we have
had
> and it is the loyalty shown by those who simply wont be dissuaded that
make this
> event so special. To all of them, THANKS!!.
> Russel Laegg and Richard Thompson were both there from Australia.
My
> dear friend and our offical historian Barry Collman made the trip from the
UK.
> Barry has been at EVERY TCFG event, every one!! Buddy Windham, Lou Tran,
> Bob Murdock, Bob Steele, Andy Bustillo, John Towner, Dick Maccoon, Jerry
> Sprayberry, Bill Boughn, Mike Hudgins, George Yundt, Phil Stubbs and Moe
Mills all
> brought there great Commanders there. Moe flew 1665KMs! Thanks,
Thanks!!!
> We had 2- 560Fs, 2 685s, 2- 680F(P)s,and 2- 500Ss. There was a
> straight 500, 560E, 680E, 500A and several 500Bs, including one with
20000hr TT.
> Counting the airplanes that already lived there, there were 24 Commanders
on the
> ramp!!
> We had many new faces this year but we did miss the "Southern Wing"
if
> the TCFG. Milt Concannon, Joe Shepheard, Jim Crunkelton and Chris
Schurmann
> and John Williams were all absent. We all missed them and hope they will
be
> able to attend next years event at John Towners facility in Kansas City.
Plans
> are already underway to make it even better than this year.
> I am honored and humbled to represent such a great group. Thanks
for
> the opportunity and for the great friendships and memories. Jim Metzger,
> Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake pads to return |
Yes. very much so.
Bruce Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
> I Have the Flat if you Still need
> Thanks Harry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
>
>
> >
> > We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have it
> out
> > in a couple of days.
> >
> > Sorry for the delay.
> >
> > Bruce Campbell
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of
the
> > > aluminum?
> > > >
> > > > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin
commander?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!! |
In a message dated 9/16/2003 8:54:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
> I guess I'm in the "Mickey Mouse Wing"
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to forget you!! Hope you will be there next
year?? :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!! |
Jim,
Thanks for your kind words. All of us enjoyed having the 2003 TCFG
Conference here at Commander Aero. It's great working with you and we look
forward to helping the TCFG in any way possible. We just think that the
people in the TCFG are the best there is!
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!!
>
> HI KIDS...
>
> There are no words to express the gratitude I feel for
John
> Bosch, Scherry Diamond, Gary Kromer and all of the wonder full staff at
> Commander Aero. Their planing and hospitality are legendary. The words
"Thank You"
> simply don't convey the feelings that I have for these people and what
they
> have done for our group, but lacking any other option, I can only say
THANK YOU
> FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
> And, thanks to all who attended. There were about 70 Commander
> owners, venders and speakers in attendance this year, by far the largest I
have had
> the pleasure to host. 17 airplanes made the trip with only two "no
shows."
> Several people went to extraordinary measures to be there. Tylor
Hall
> and his crew fought terrible weather in their 500B and arrived at about
11pm
> on Thursday evening to be there! Morris Kernickand Bob Perkins were
riding
> with John Vormbaum and finaly gave up and parked there 500B in New Mexico
but
> undaunted, thery jumped on the next available "Crowd Killer" and were
there for
> the Thursday evening dinner!
> Regardless of the planing that is done for these events, if people
> wont come, it will be a failure. This was the best attended event we have
had
> and it is the loyalty shown by those who simply wont be dissuaded that
make this
> event so special. To all of them, THANKS!!.
> Russel Laegg and Richard Thompson were both there from Australia.
My
> dear friend and our offical historian Barry Collman made the trip from the
UK.
> Barry has been at EVERY TCFG event, every one!! Buddy Windham, Lou Tran,
> Bob Murdock, Bob Steele, Andy Bustillo, John Towner, Dick Maccoon, Jerry
> Sprayberry, Bill Boughn, Mike Hudgins, George Yundt, Phil Stubbs and Moe
Mills all
> brought there great Commanders there. Moe flew 1665KMs! Thanks,
Thanks!!!
> We had 2- 560Fs, 2 685s, 2- 680F(P)s,and 2- 500Ss. There was a
> straight 500, 560E, 680E, 500A and several 500Bs, including one with
20000hr TT.
> Counting the airplanes that already lived there, there were 24 Commanders
on the
> ramp!!
> We had many new faces this year but we did miss the "Southern Wing"
if
> the TCFG. Milt Concannon, Joe Shepheard, Jim Crunkelton and Chris
Schurmann
> and John Williams were all absent. We all missed them and hope they will
be
> able to attend next years event at John Towners facility in Kansas City.
Plans
> are already underway to make it even better than this year.
> I am honored and humbled to represent such a great group. Thanks
for
> the opportunity and for the great friendships and memories. Jim Metzger,
> Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I just wanted to thank al those who took a few minutes to
call, email or in some cases write to thanks me for the flyin. It is a group
effort and just would not have been possible without all of Commander Aero's
work. But thank you for the kind words.
I have never had so many people excited about next years event in KC.
I have received a letter from John Towner already beginning the plans. It
will be great. But as Lou Tran said today. "How will top this!!" We can only
try. Thanks again to all.
My flight plan looked like this. 1W1 to S67, Nampa Idaho to pick up
my Son, Chad. Richard Thompson was with me and we had a really miserable trip
up the gorge. The weather really didn't get much better along the way and we
ended up at 12K.
We got into S67 and the weather got much better. Had lunch and we off
to a small airport in Nebraska that "Air Nav" said had the cheapest gas.
They lied!! The place didn't offer fuel to the public!! The good news is we had
enough gas to get to Hastings. It as dark and there were thunderstorms
everywhere but they were only about 50 miles deep. We were in great VFR, but had
lighting all around. Cloud to cloud, cloud to ground. Pretty spectacular.
We landed at Hastings tired and ready for a hot shower and good bed.
It was not to be. It seem that this time of year they have a little thing
called the "four corners harvest festival" and there was not a room for bout 100
miles!! So, we paid the $20 (actually Richard paid) night fee, filled the
tanks and were off. Chad found a Pizza Hut close enough to walk to so we were
tanked up as well.
We landed in MGY at about 4am. After a short cab ride to the motel,
we finally got some shut eye. It was a great trip and triple 2 ran great. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
I'm putting together a list of 500A owners [I'm most interested in
Colemills, but I'd like to collect info on all 500As] so that we can
discuss some issues offline. If you own one and want to be included,
please forward contact and A/C info to me.
Please include all the basics:
Your name
Email [must have]
Address [optional]
One or more phones with description [day/eve/work/home/cell] [optional]
N number
Year, Serial #
Colemill?
If you include other vitals like TTAF, TSMOH, etc. I will catalog that
as well. Once all those who wish to be listed have sent info to me I
will distribute the list to all in the list, unless you specifically say
not to.
Thanks,
Alan
Alan Kucheck
mailto:akucheck(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan
Kucheck
Subject: Commander-List: Own a 500A?
I'm putting together a list of 500A owners [I'm most interested in
Colemills, but I'd like to collect info on all 500As] so that we can
discuss some issues offline. If you own one and want to be included,
please forward contact and A/C info to me.
Please include all the basics:
Your name James (Jim) T. Addington
Email jtaddington(at)charter.net
Address [optional]
One or more phones
940-566 2651 home upstairs 940-382 3150
N number N444BD
Year, Serial # 1960 Serial # 500A-946-29
Colemill? No
Please only give information to other 500A owners and do
not sell.
Thanks
Jim Addington
Thanks,
Alan
Alan Kucheck
mailto:akucheck(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Alan,
I have a stock standard 500A, #1274, in full, 500-A-1275-97-271, built 1962.
New Zealand registration ZK-DCK, it lives in Australia.
email as above,
Address:
W.J.R.Hamilton,
16 Glenview St.,
Gordon,
New South Wales,
AUSTRALIA 2072.
It is undergoing a major refurbishment and repaint.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>I'm putting together a list of 500A owners [I'm most interested in
>Colemills, but I'd like to collect info on all 500As] so that we can
>discuss some issues offline. If you own one and want to be included,
>please forward contact and A/C info to me.
>
>Please include all the basics:
>Your name
>Email [must have]
>Address [optional]
>One or more phones with description [day/eve/work/home/cell] [optional]
>N number
>Year, Serial #
>Colemill?
>
>If you include other vitals like TTAF, TSMOH, etc. I will catalog that
>as well. Once all those who wish to be listed have sent info to me I
>will distribute the list to all in the list, unless you specifically say
>not to.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Alan
>
>Alan Kucheck
>mailto:akucheck(at)hotmail.com
>
>
COMMUNICATIONS
CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
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three months, the date will be notified.
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
"Tom Greenwald" ,
"Commander Chat" ,
"Uncle Cliff" , "Susan Marchi" ,
"David Davidson" ,
"Karina Ashworth" ,
"Pat Nissan (Diamond in the Sky)" ,
"Marc Wolpe (In Sync)" ,
"Bill Allen (Bishop Tutu)" ,
"Blair Trenholme (Super Action Hero)" ,
"Mark Woehl" ,
"Michelle Amadar (Wildfire)" ,
"Danny Colohan (Share Bear)"
| Subject: | Revised Application |
Hello fellow council persons,
Please review the attached application package, and forward suggestions or comments
to me ASAP. I plan to forward this application this week to those in our
commnunity seeking assistance.
So far, I understand that those persons are the following:
Oprah (Susan Comber)
Unsinkable Molly Brown (Dianna Frazier)
Speaks from the Heart (Elayne Dimmitt)
Power Ranger Caren Olsen)
I thought we had 6 families in need. Who am I missing???
Looking forward to hearing from you.
My heart to yours,
Indy
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
"Tom Greenwald" ,
"Stephen McGrath" ,
"Commander Chat"
| Subject: | OOPS...wrongs addresses |
Hi all,
It appears that my computer sent you all a message by mistake. Please disregard
the message tiltled "Revised application".. Your names somehow got added to
the address block.
Sorry for the intrusion.
Randy Dettmer
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Alan,
Digital disfunction late at night, the rego. is ZK-DCF.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
>
>
>Alan,
>I have a stock standard 500A, #1274, in full, 500-A-1275-97-271, built 1962.
>New Zealand registration ZK-DCK, it lives in Australia.
>email as above,
>Address:
>W.J.R.Hamilton,
>16 Glenview St.,
>Gordon,
>New South Wales,
>AUSTRALIA 2072.
>
>It is undergoing a major refurbishment and repaint.
>
>Regards,
>Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> >
> >I'm putting together a list of 500A owners [I'm most interested in
> >Colemills, but I'd like to collect info on all 500As] so that we can
> >discuss some issues offline. If you own one and want to be included,
> >please forward contact and A/C info to me.
> >
> >Please include all the basics:
> >Your name
> >Email [must have]
> >Address [optional]
> >One or more phones with description [day/eve/work/home/cell] [optional]
> >N number
> >Year, Serial #
> >Colemill?
> >
> >If you include other vitals like TTAF, TSMOH, etc. I will catalog that
> >as well. Once all those who wish to be listed have sent info to me I
> >will distribute the list to all in the list, unless you specifically say
> >not to.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Alan
> >
> >Alan Kucheck
> >mailto:akucheck(at)hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi All!
Just got back home, after spending a week in OKC following the Fly-In.
I'd like to add my thanks to Capt. JimBob and the whole Commander-Aero team for
another great event. I'm sure that there were more people and airplanes there
than at any Fly-In to date, except for the very first one way back in 1995.
Lots more new faces and plenty of familiar ones!!
A sincere thanks too, to Buddy and Kerry Windham for putting me up on the
Wednesday night and flying me into Dayton the following day. Buddy had also
offerred to pick me up from Palwaukee on the Wednesday afternoon, after I got a
cab there from Chicago-O'Hare. Although we flew the Union Jack from Buddy's
window as we taxied to Commander-Aero, Capt JimBob managed to up-stage us by
assembling a line of everybody he could muster, and they were all saluting!!
Great event, Great people, Great fun.
Thanks to all the people who attended and with next year's event being hosted by
John Towner, I'm already looking forward to it. As John has about 35 Commanders,
we should be guaranteed to see a fair few of them anyway, and that's just for
starters!!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C. (UK)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
Hey, Barry don't forget my pictures.
Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:--> Commander-List message
posted by: "Barry Collman"
Hi All!
Just got back home, after spending a week in OKC following the Fly-In.
I'd like to add my thanks to Capt. JimBob and the whole Commander-Aero team for
another great event. I'm sure that there were more people and airplanes there
than at any Fly-In to date, except for the very first one way back in 1995.
Lots more new faces and plenty of familiar ones!!
A sincere thanks too, to Buddy and Kerry Windham for putting me up on the
Wednesday night and flying me into Dayton the following day. Buddy had also
offerred to pick me up from Palwaukee on the Wednesday afternoon, after I got a
cab there from Chicago-O'Hare. Although we flew the Union Jack from Buddy's
window as we taxied to Commander-Aero, Capt JimBob managed to up-stage us by
assembling a line of everybody he could muster, and they were all saluting!!
Great event, Great people, Great fun.
Thanks to all the people who attended and with next year's event being hosted by
John Towner, I'm already looking forward to it. As John has about 35 Commanders,
we should be guaranteed to see a fair few of them anyway, and that's just for
starters!!!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C. (UK)
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Buddy,
What pictures? My memory isn't too good nowadays.
Hey, I'm just about to download them from my camera this evening!
Will try and get a few to you later on, followed by a couple more each evening.
Thanks again for your hospitality, I really had a great time, as usual.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
|
| Hey, Barry don't forget my pictures.
|
| Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:--> Commander-List
message posted by: "Barry Collman"
|
| Hi All!
|
| Just got back home, after spending a week in OKC following the Fly-In.
|
| I'd like to add my thanks to Capt. JimBob and the whole Commander-Aero team
for
| another great event. I'm sure that there were more people and airplanes there
| than at any Fly-In to date, except for the very first one way back in 1995.
|
| Lots more new faces and plenty of familiar ones!!
|
| A sincere thanks too, to Buddy and Kerry Windham for putting me up on the
| Wednesday night and flying me into Dayton the following day. Buddy had also
| offerred to pick me up from Palwaukee on the Wednesday afternoon, after I got
a
| cab there from Chicago-O'Hare. Although we flew the Union Jack from Buddy's
| window as we taxied to Commander-Aero, Capt JimBob managed to up-stage us by
| assembling a line of everybody he could muster, and they were all saluting!!
|
| Great event, Great people, Great fun.
|
| Thanks to all the people who attended and with next year's event being hosted
by
| John Towner, I'm already looking forward to it. As John has about 35
Commanders,
| we should be guaranteed to see a fair few of them anyway, and that's just for
| starters!!!
|
| Very Best Regards,
|
| Barry C. (UK)
|
|
| Buddy Windham, President
|
| Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
| General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
|
| 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
| Grandville, Michigan 49418
| 616 896-6488 office
| 616 896-6490 fax
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Be sure to post some of thing for us unlucky lads that could not get there.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Buddy,
>
> What pictures? My memory isn't too good nowadays.
>
> Hey, I'm just about to download them from my camera this evening!
> Will try and get a few to you later on, followed by a couple more each
evening.
>
> Thanks again for your hospitality, I really had a great time, as usual.
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
>
>
> |
> | Hey, Barry don't forget my pictures.
> |
> | Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:--> Commander-List
> message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> |
> | Hi All!
> |
> | Just got back home, after spending a week in OKC following the Fly-In.
> |
> | I'd like to add my thanks to Capt. JimBob and the whole Commander-Aero
team
> for
> | another great event. I'm sure that there were more people and airplanes
there
> | than at any Fly-In to date, except for the very first one way back in
1995.
> |
> | Lots more new faces and plenty of familiar ones!!
> |
> | A sincere thanks too, to Buddy and Kerry Windham for putting me up on
the
> | Wednesday night and flying me into Dayton the following day. Buddy had
also
> | offerred to pick me up from Palwaukee on the Wednesday afternoon, after
I got
> a
> | cab there from Chicago-O'Hare. Although we flew the Union Jack from
Buddy's
> | window as we taxied to Commander-Aero, Capt JimBob managed to up-stage
us by
> | assembling a line of everybody he could muster, and they were all
saluting!!
> |
> | Great event, Great people, Great fun.
> |
> | Thanks to all the people who attended and with next year's event being
hosted
> by
> | John Towner, I'm already looking forward to it. As John has about 35
> Commanders,
> | we should be guaranteed to see a fair few of them anyway, and that's
just for
> | starters!!!
> |
> | Very Best Regards,
> |
> | Barry C. (UK)
> |
> |
> | Buddy Windham, President
> |
> | Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> | General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
> |
> | 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> | Grandville, Michigan 49418
> | 616 896-6488 office
> | 616 896-6490 fax
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland Disck |
HI:
Anybody has any news about this?? Where can I go to get them????
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland Disck
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2003 11:09:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
>
>
> > I am in need on new brake disks for my 680F, which uses Cleveland
power
> > brakes.Part # 16407200. Any hints as to where I can get them as well as
> > Champion Spark Plugs RHB-36S. Thankyou!!!
>
> Yes, I just ordered a set for my Commander. I will get the information
when
> I return home. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Sorry my fingers did not work and I am anal retentive.
What I meant to say was;
Be sure to post some of images for us unlucky lads that could not get there.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
>
> Be sure to post some of thing for us unlucky lads that could not get
there.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi Buddy,
> >
> > What pictures? My memory isn't too good nowadays.
> >
> > Hey, I'm just about to download them from my camera this evening!
> > Will try and get a few to you later on, followed by a couple more each
> evening.
> >
> > Thanks again for your hospitality, I really had a great time, as usual.
> >
> > Very Best Regards,
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ITS OVER!!
> >
> >
> > |
> > | Hey, Barry don't forget my pictures.
> > |
> > | Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:-->
Commander-List
> > message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> > |
> > | Hi All!
> > |
> > | Just got back home, after spending a week in OKC following the Fly-In.
> > |
> > | I'd like to add my thanks to Capt. JimBob and the whole Commander-Aero
> team
> > for
> > | another great event. I'm sure that there were more people and
airplanes
> there
> > | than at any Fly-In to date, except for the very first one way back in
> 1995.
> > |
> > | Lots more new faces and plenty of familiar ones!!
> > |
> > | A sincere thanks too, to Buddy and Kerry Windham for putting me up on
> the
> > | Wednesday night and flying me into Dayton the following day. Buddy had
> also
> > | offerred to pick me up from Palwaukee on the Wednesday afternoon,
after
> I got
> > a
> > | cab there from Chicago-O'Hare. Although we flew the Union Jack from
> Buddy's
> > | window as we taxied to Commander-Aero, Capt JimBob managed to up-stage
> us by
> > | assembling a line of everybody he could muster, and they were all
> saluting!!
> > |
> > | Great event, Great people, Great fun.
> > |
> > | Thanks to all the people who attended and with next year's event being
> hosted
> > by
> > | John Towner, I'm already looking forward to it. As John has about 35
> > Commanders,
> > | we should be guaranteed to see a fair few of them anyway, and that's
> just for
> > | starters!!!
> > |
> > | Very Best Regards,
> > |
> > | Barry C. (UK)
> > |
> > |
> > | Buddy Windham, President
> > |
> > | Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> > | General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
> > |
> > | 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> > | Grandville, Michigan 49418
> > | 616 896-6488 office
> > | 616 896-6490 fax
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Ricardo,
You're from Venezuela, right? Do you get your Commander serviced by
Aerocentro de Servicios in Caracas? If so, what's been your experience? It
sounds like an alternative for me. I'm in Puerto Rico.
Regards,
Jimmy Rodriguez
N107VC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ricardo
A. Otaola
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland Disck
HI:
Anybody has any news about this?? Where can I go to get them????
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland Disck
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2003 11:09:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
>
>
> > I am in need on new brake disks for my 680F, which uses Cleveland
power
> > brakes.Part # 16407200. Any hints as to where I can get them as well as
> > Champion Spark Plugs RHB-36S. Thankyou!!!
>
> Yes, I just ordered a set for my Commander. I will get the information
when
> I return home. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland Disck |
Absoulutely the best!!. We run three commanders, 680F, 690A, 900. All
maintained by Aerocentro. It is a personal job, and the experience is
extensive. Call Mr. Luis Nunes at 011584143205198. He is the GM.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland Disck
>
> Ricardo,
>
> You're from Venezuela, right? Do you get your Commander serviced by
> Aerocentro de Servicios in Caracas? If so, what's been your experience?
It
> sounds like an alternative for me. I'm in Puerto Rico.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jimmy Rodriguez
> N107VC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ricardo
> A. Otaola
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland Disck
>
>
>
>
> HI:
>
> Anybody has any news about this?? Where can I go to get them????
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland Disck
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/13/2003 11:09:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
> >
> >
> > > I am in need on new brake disks for my 680F, which uses Cleveland
> power
> > > brakes.Part # 16407200. Any hints as to where I can get them as well
as
> > > Champion Spark Plugs RHB-36S. Thankyou!!!
> >
> > Yes, I just ordered a set for my Commander. I will get the information
> when
> > I return home. jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
Following a conversation with one of the guys at Colemill yesterday I
have begun to wonder whether the exhaust stacks on N811D were modified
at some point in their life. The stacks defiinitely do not extend as far
aft as the cowl flap, which was his recollection. According to him, no
modifications were made to the exhausts from the stock 500A in the
conversion, so if any 500A driver [Colemill or not] can take a look at
the photo below and let me know if this is what yours look like, I would
really appreciate it.
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/N811D_Mx.html
BTW, it is really no trouble at all to add content to a page like this,
so I would be happy to post other issues, photos, questions here that
could eventually be incorporated into the main site - with Dan's/Chris's
blessing, of course. ;>)
Thanks,
ak
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Partnership Available in N811D, based at SNA |
Now that I have gotten a few maintenance issues taken care of I am
starting to actively look for partners. If you know anyone in the
Soutnern California area that might be interested, please have them
contact me.
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/N811D.html
Thanks,
ak
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
Alan,
That looks more or less like mine, what I will do is take so is take some
measurements in relation to the ejector shute and let you know what I have,
mine is standard with the IO-470's, but the 520 fits in the same "hole".
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Following a conversation with one of the guys at Colemill yesterday I
>have begun to wonder whether the exhaust stacks on N811D were modified
>at some point in their life. The stacks defiinitely do not extend as far
>aft as the cowl flap, which was his recollection. According to him, no
>modifications were made to the exhausts from the stock 500A in the
>conversion, so if any 500A driver [Colemill or not] can take a look at
>the photo below and let me know if this is what yours look like, I would
>really appreciate it.
>
>http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/N811D_Mx.html
>
>BTW, it is really no trouble at all to add content to a page like this,
>so I would be happy to post other issues, photos, questions here that
>could eventually be incorporated into the main site - with Dan's/Chris's
>blessing, of course. ;>)
>
>Thanks,
>
>ak
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
Just send the picture to the web site and we can all look at it, that is the
only way unless direct Email.
Tom F.
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From: "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Exhaust Stacks on 500A
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
Alan,
Something must have gone bung in your message, all I got was a full page of
the machine language, a sample is below, I deleted the rest.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
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| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
Tom:
Not sure want happened on the last post...
The photo is at this link:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/N811D_Mx.html
ak
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
That looks just like mine.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust Stacks on 500A
Following a conversation with one of the guys at Colemill yesterday I
have begun to wonder whether the exhaust stacks on N811D were modified
at some point in their life. The stacks defiinitely do not extend as far
aft as the cowl flap, which was his recollection. According to him, no
modifications were made to the exhausts from the stock 500A in the
conversion, so if any 500A driver [Colemill or not] can take a look at
the photo below and let me know if this is what yours look like, I would
really appreciate it.
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/N811D_Mx.html
BTW, it is really no trouble at all to add content to a page like this,
so I would be happy to post other issues, photos, questions here that
could eventually be incorporated into the main site - with Dan's/Chris's
blessing, of course. ;>)
Thanks,
ak
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
This worked well
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Exhaust Stacks on 500A
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| From: | "Chris Wall" <cwall(at)worldflight2000.com> |
Alan,
Based on Bill Boughan's exhaust on N333BE and N152K, the 500A in the
hangar at Commander Aero you all have the exact same exhaust system.
Bill is currently waiting for AWI to ship 4 exhaust tail pipes to him to
get 333BE back in the air.
I must add that having flown in N811D most of the fifty hours since Alan
purchased the airplane from Gary Tillman, it is a wonderfully sweet
flying airplane. Alan is fully aware of the cost of ownership of an
airplane and is truly interested in keeping the airplane in tip top
shape. I think that it would make an excellent opportunity for anybody
interested in transitioning into a Twin Commander, just wanting to be
able to fly a great plane, or in need of a plane to use for business
travel.
Also on a side note the lesson learned from the problems that we were
having with 333BE at the flyin, was that, as several people had
mentioned, the fuel filters at the firewall must to ultrasonically
cleaned in order to make sure that containments do not restrict the flow
of fuel through the filter. The easy test is to take the filter out and
try blowing through it. If you feel any pressure at all the filter is
clogged. I replaced the center tank, cleaned up the sump, cleaned out
the filters, and the problem was fixed. I had a nice 4 hour, non-stop
flight down to Orlando to deliver the airplane back to Bill.
Chris
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Chris,
Please give me your fax number and I will fax the Dow information to you.
Sorry, I don't have a scanner in operation now.
Thanx,
Moe
N680RR
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Anybody fly anyplace interesting this weekend?? jb
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| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
Captain Jimbob,
As a matter of fact we did. For any of you guys planning a Caribbean trip,
we went to Grand Case, St. Martin (TFFG), on the French side of the island.
Great little beach town with a bunch of gourmet restaurants serving
wonderful food. Very friendly customs staff. Newly paved 3900' runway, no
avgas but you can buy some in Juliana on the Dutch side of the island.
Highly recommended.
Picked up some nice tail winds coming back home at 6500' and 107VC was doing
192 knots ground speed. Great trip.
Best Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: FLYING??
HI KIDS.
Anybody fly anyplace interesting this weekend?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/29/2003 5:53:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jimmyr(at)popsecs.com writes:
> Great trip.
>
Great trip, thanks for sharing!! jb
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| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
Capt JimBob, Crunk and I just finished the annual on the 560F, 423M , and it
is ready for a flight, wx is great in Ga. now so we will be getting in the
air soon. Joe Shepherd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust Stacks on 500A |
In a message dated 09/28/03 04:19:16 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
> The stacks defiinitely do not extend as far
> aft as the cowl flap, which was his recollection.
Nor mine.
I don't have a 500-A or Colemill to look at, but these stacks look very short
to me, if memory serves me.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 9/29/2003 3:46:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
COMMANDER560(at)cs.com writes:
> so we will be getting in the
> air soon. Joe Shepherd
Great!! Let us know when the "gear hits the wells"!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake pads to return |
PLEASE Return Pads.
SEND TO
AVTEC II, Inc.
480 N Williams Ave
Titusville, FL. 32796
321 267-3141
Thanks Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
> We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have it
out
> in a couple of days.
>
> Sorry for the delay.
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
>
>
> >
> >
> > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of the
> > aluminum?
> > >
> > > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin commander?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I just thought I would put an end to a great "urban legend." For
years many of us had heard of the straight 560 Commanders with Cleveland brakes
installed. We had a request from Jim Mcdonalad, Pilots for Christ, to borrow
some paperwork so he could install Cleveland's on his 560.
Well, after many phone calls and much effort the truth is, it has
never legally been done. Barry Collman looked at all the paperwork from all the
560s from about 1982 forward and no 337 was ever done.
Unfortunately, Jim will be stuck with his old brakes but at least we
now know. It is a real shame it was never done. jb
HI KIDS.
I just thought I would put an end to a=20great "urban legend." For years many
of us had heard of the straight 560 Commanders with Cleveland brakes installed.
We had a request from Jim Mcdonalad, Pilots for Christ, to borrow some paperwork
so he could install Cleveland's on his 560.
Well, after many phone calls and much effort the truth is, it has never legally
been done. Barry Collman looked at all the paperwork from all the 560s from
about 1982 forward and no 337 was ever done.
Unfortunately, Jim will be stuck with his old brakes but at least we now know.
It is a real shame it was never done. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander FlightSim |
Hi Guys!
Milton Shupe and his team asked me to post the following message, which is
self-explanatory. I would like to add my thanks to the guys who helped them as
it obviously made the product The Best!
Anyway, Milton's message:
Gentlemen,
The AC520 and design team has been recognized for the Best Freeware Flight
Simulation Aircraft of the Year. This is exciting for the team and a great
honor for Scott Thomas, Andr Folkers and myself.
This achievement would not have been possible but for your gracious time and
efforts in support of this project. For the others who helped, like Jim
Crunkleton , Milt Concannon, Barry Hancock, I want to say thanks as well.
The hours and materials that Barry Collman and Chris Haag invested is
greatly appreciated. The AC520, 560A(HC), and 680 Super are being enjoyed
by more than 50,000 flight sim enthusiasts all around the world and that
count grows each day.
Please send a note of thanks to all the great folks at the list and to Chris
for the website which helped tremendously with reference pictures and
information.
You can read the Bravo Zulu Award statement here:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/1003/2003bzawards/bz_awards.html
Best Regards
Milton Shupe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | THE WRIGHT EXPERIENCE |
HI KIDS...
If you get the discovery wings channel, there is a great 2
hour documentary called the Wright Experience. It is the story of the exact
replica of the Wright Flyer that will fly at exactly the moment the original flew
100 years ago. The founder of the Wright experience is Mr. Ken Hyde, a
Commander owner.
I hope you watch this great achievement jb
HI KIDS...
=20If you get the discovery wings channel, there is a great 2 hour documentary=20called
the Wright Experience. It is the story of the exact replica of=20the
Wright Flyer that will fly at exactly the moment the original flew 100 years
ago. The founder of the Wright experience is Mr. Ken Hyde, a Commander owner.
I hope you watch this great achievement jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com |
10/06/2003 09:15:29 AM
Sir Barry - We have another commander "sighting" in AC-starved Louisville,
KY. N198JW landed last nite! It is a beautiful 680 F(P) with winglets, and
the "Jimmy Daurante" nose. Air scoop on top (presurization?).
Commander-Areo did the work according to the sticker on the tail!! The
plane has a Coast Guard emblem on the side. Left early this morning. What a
muscular looking machine - long blades and big engines.
This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or
exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient,
you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or
use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is
STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately
contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in
electronic or hard copy format. Thank you.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/05/03 |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Barry C,
Do you have Milton's direct email? I had it....but no longer do. If
you could email me off list that would be great!
Thanks!
Barry H
On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> The AC520 and design team has been recognized for the Best Freeware
> Flight
> Simulation Aircraft of the Year. This is exciting for the team and a
> great
> honor for Scott Thomas, Andr Folkers and myself.
>
> This achievement would not have been possible but for your gracious
> time and
> efforts in support of this project. For the others who helped, like Jim
> Crunkleton , Milt Concannon, Barry Hancock, I want to say thanks as
> well.
>
> The hours and materials that Barry Collman and Chris Haag invested is
> greatly appreciated. The AC520, 560A(HC), and 680 Super are being
> enjoyed
> by more than 50,000 flight sim enthusiasts all around the world and that
> count grows each day.
>
> Please send a note of thanks to all the great folks at the list and to
> Chris
> for the website which helped tremendously with reference pictures and
> information.
>
> You can read the Bravo Zulu Award statement here:
> http://www.avsim.com/pages/1003/2003bzawards/bz_awards.html
>
> Best Regards
> Milton Shupe
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
Barry C,
Do you have Milton's direct email? I had it....but no longer do. If
you could email me off list that would be great!
Thanks!
Barry H
On Sunday, October 5, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
Gentlemen,
The AC520 and design team has been recognized for the Best Freeware
Flight
Simulation Aircraft of the Year. This is exciting for the team and a
great
honor for Scott Thomas, Andr Folkers and myself.
This achievement would not have been possible but for your gracious
time and
efforts in support of this project. For the others who helped, like
Jim
Crunkleton , Milt Concannon, Barry Hancock, I want to say thanks as
well.
The hours and materials that Barry Collman and Chris Haag invested is
greatly appreciated. The AC520, 560A(HC), and 680 Super are being
enjoyed
by more than 50,000 flight sim enthusiasts all around the world and
that
count grows each day.
Please send a note of thanks to all the great folks at the list and to
Chris
for the website which helped tremendously with reference pictures and
information.
You can read the Bravo Zulu Award statement here:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/1003/2003bzawards/bz_awards.html
Best Regards
Milton Shupe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert C. Bullock" <rcbullock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Anyone fly in the OKC Area? |
I fly once a week in my 182. If anyone is interested in a reciprocal flying
hours program, let me know. I fly about once a week minimum and bring folks
along to swap time or what have you. I'm also interested in chipping in for
gas on flights in the OKC area if you are an MEI and I can get some PIC
logged. I had a 2 for 1 swap with a friend for multi time as an example. We
were both CFI's and we swapped 2 hours in my plane for 1 in the TwinCo she
had block time in. I will possibly fly to anyhwere close for short trips or
what not.
TIA!
rcbullock(at)cox.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Anyone have any suggestions on how/who to restore the Commander overhead
panels??? I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to spend a
gazillion dollars....
Thanks again!
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
Anyone have any suggestions on how/who to restore the Commander
overhead panels??? I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to
spend a gazillion dollars....
Thanks again!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Does anyone have oil filters installed on GSO480's? I'm looking into
making that improvement in mine....might as well as long as the engines
are coming of, eh?
Thanks in advance!
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: overhead panels |
In a message dated 10/6/2003 8:23:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
> I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to spend a
> gazillion dollars....
I touched mine up using a brush and model paint. Then, I clear coated them.
They look pretty good. jb
In a message dated 10/6/2003 8:23:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, radialpower(at)cox.net
writes:
I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to spend a
gazillion dollars....
I touched mine up using a brush and model paint. Then, I clear coated=20them. They
look pretty good. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 10/6/2003 9:07:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
> Does anyone have oil filters installed on GSO480's? I'm looking into
> making that improvement in mine....might as well as long as the engines
> are coming of, eh?
>
Bill Williams at Air Matrix installed some new ones on his 560A, Bill are you
out there?? jb
In a message dated 10/6/2003 9:07:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, radialpower(at)cox.net
writes:
Does anyone have oil filters installed on GSO480's? I'm looking into
making that improvement in mine....might as well as long as the engines
are coming of, eh?
Bill Williams at Air Matrix installed some new ones on his 560A, Bill are you out
there?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: overhead panels |
Getting them shot peaned and anodized does not cost a whole bunch of money
and every time you look up you will thank your self that your finger nails
(if you don't wear gloves that is) aren't scraping the paint of the panel.
Tom F...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: overhead panels
>
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how/who to restore the Commander overhead
> panels??? I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to spend a
> gazillion dollars....
>
> Thanks again!
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: overhead panels |
Another thought is to go to an office sign maker with the dimensions and
they will mill out a full sized plastic panel with any text you want on it
in any color of panel you want, white text on a black panel looks good and
is inexpensive.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: overhead panels
>
>
> --Apple-Mail-5--857059065
> format=flowed
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how/who to restore the Commander overhead
> panels??? I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to spend a
> gazillion dollars....
>
> Thanks again!
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
> --Apple-Mail-5--857059065
>
> Anyone have any suggestions on how/who to restore the Commander
> overhead panels??? I just want them clean, don't need/can't afford to
> spend a gazillion dollars....
>
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
Got them on my 560e, firewall installation, works good...be careful, firewall flexes
if you put to much torque on wrench when taking them off. Works better if
the oil is hot for the spin off.
In a message dated 10/6/2003 9:07:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
> Does anyone have oil filters installed on GSO480's? I'm looking into
> making that improvement in mine....might as well as long as the engines
> are coming of, eh?
>
Bill Williams at Air Matrix installed some new ones on his 560A, Bill are you
out there?? jb
In a message dated 10/6/2003 9:07:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, radialpower(at)cox.net
writes:
Does anyone have oil filters installed on GSO480's? I'm looking into
making that improvement in mine....might as well as long as the engines
are coming of, eh?
Bill Williams at Air Matrix installed some new ones on his 560A, Bill are you out
there?? jb
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
Berry:
You can send your overhead panels out to be painted with a three-step
process and have the lettering silk-screened on. You can see a sample of
what we did at www.eFlightline.com on the right-hand navigation panel under
Aircraft Photos. If you'd like to go this way, I'll give you supplier's
contacts.
Bill Williams
AirMatrix
17705 49th Place N.E.
KAWO Hangar D
Arlington, WA 98223
360-435-7343
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: overhead panels |
Thanks Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Williams" <billw@air-matrix.com>
Subject: Commander-List: overhead panels
<billw@air-matrix.com>
>
> Berry:
>
> You can send your overhead panels out to be painted with a three-step
> process and have the lettering silk-screened on. You can see a sample of
> what we did at www.eFlightline.com on the right-hand navigation panel
under
> Aircraft Photos. If you'd like to go this way, I'll give you supplier's
> contacts.
>
> Bill Williams
> AirMatrix
> 17705 49th Place N.E.
> KAWO Hangar D
> Arlington, WA 98223
> 360-435-7343
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | grease your nuts |
Well Gents,
What started as an exhaust replacement program has changed. by the time the
exhaust on the left side of the engine was removed(12 bolts), there were 5
broken studs and the ones that didn't break, were useless. I made the
choice to take the cylinders down to Zypher to get the studs replaced and
found the cylinders were junk. The exhaust ports on 2 were eroded and 2
were cracked. I believe the 3 on the other bank(their friends) are probably
in the same condition. To finish off the decision making process, 2 rods
are sloppy. Topping the engine won't fix the rods. A major overhaul is all
that is left.
Almost as a side note. When your annual is done, you should remove, and
reinstall your exhaust nuts with anti seize. This will keep your studs from
rotting away like mine did.
I am parking my 500A for a while. It has successfully wiped out my bank
account and credit line. Maybe in a year or so I can start on it again with
what is left.
In January it will be the 3 anniversary of the day I left HWD with it. I
never made it to 90 hours on it.
The sump, fuel bladder, exhaust, engine overhaul, and now this.
My grandmother used to say "It's a great life if you don't weaken", She
never even flew in an airplane.
bilbo
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: grease your nuts |
My, what an ordeal. Sorry to hear about this bilbo. That's going like cruel
and unusual punishment letting her sit for a year. But what can one do.
Perhaps a couple of Colemills might be worth your while (unless you already
have them in there.)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: grease your nuts
>
> Well Gents,
>
> What started as an exhaust replacement program has changed. by the time
the
> exhaust on the left side of the engine was removed(12 bolts), there were 5
> broken studs and the ones that didn't break, were useless. I made the
> choice to take the cylinders down to Zypher to get the studs replaced and
> found the cylinders were junk. The exhaust ports on 2 were eroded and 2
> were cracked. I believe the 3 on the other bank(their friends) are
probably
> in the same condition. To finish off the decision making process, 2 rods
> are sloppy. Topping the engine won't fix the rods. A major overhaul is
all
> that is left.
>
> Almost as a side note. When your annual is done, you should remove, and
> reinstall your exhaust nuts with anti seize. This will keep your studs
from
> rotting away like mine did.
>
> I am parking my 500A for a while. It has successfully wiped out my bank
> account and credit line. Maybe in a year or so I can start on it again
with
> what is left.
>
> In January it will be the 3 anniversary of the day I left HWD with it. I
> never made it to 90 hours on it.
>
> The sump, fuel bladder, exhaust, engine overhaul, and now this.
>
> My grandmother used to say "It's a great life if you don't weaken", She
> never even flew in an airplane.
>
> bilbo
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: grease your nuts |
August 03, 2003 - October 09, 2003
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