Commander-Archive.digest.vol-be
December 29, 2003 - February 24, 2004
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
There is a 560A Commander on ebay, no reserve but starting bid is
33K. It is in annual with less than 700SMOH!! Good luck. jb
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| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Jim,
Sounds like a great deal! Any idea on the background of the aircraft at all?
Any thoughts you have on the 560A model with GO480's would be
appreciated...I note that it has 156 gal tanks...are these standard?
Happy New year to you and Sue!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 30/12/03 11:40 AM, "YOURTCFG(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> There is a 560A Commander on ebay, no reserve but starting bid is
> 33K. It is in annual with less than 700SMOH!! Good luck. jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "bruce campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Flow/totaliser on 520/560 |
Like to be able to maximise 86B's on-station time. Therefore, it would be
"really" nice to be able to totalise my fuel accurately. My last foray in
this yielded a "no-hgo" on the whole idea, but it seems to me someone is
using a fuel totaliser on a 520/560/560A/560e or whatever already.
Anyone have any input on what seems to be the hot set up?
Bruce Campbell
N4186B AC52
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow/totaliser on 520/560 |
bruce campbell wrote:
> My last foray in
> this yielded a "no-hgo" on the whole idea, but it seems to me someone is
> using a fuel totaliser on a 520/560/560A/560e or whatever already.
Hey Bruce - howzit going? You taking good care of my girl? How many
hours have you put on her so far? Sure miss that bird!
Electronics International has a fuel flow/totalizer specifically made
for pressure carbs. You need the FFDM-1 Fuel Flow Differential Module.
No personal experience, but it sounds like the exact thing you'd need.
Chris
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/30/2003 5:28:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au writes:
Any thoughts you have on the 560A model with GO480's would be
appreciated...I note that it has 156 gal tanks...are these standard?
The 560A is a great airplane, I flew mine 800hrs. The only real rub is the
propellers. My STC wont cover them and most are on the 250hr inspection and
you really need to know if they have passed. The time since overhaul matters
not, the question is, have they passed the AD inspection. The fuel is 156 but
can be raised to 223. I dont know anything about this airplane but Morris
might 321-403-8813 HAPPY NEW YEAR!! jb
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Hi CommanderLanders!
The Commander 560A on eBay (N2774B) was orginally Certificated in December 1955,
with 275HP GO-480-D1A engines.
In September 1967 it was up-graded to a Model 560A(HC), by installing 295HP
GO-480-G1B6 engines.
The eBay narrative implies it has 275HP GSO-480 engines. These are Supercharged
and I have no record of them being fitted to this 560A, although it is of course
possible.
Aircraft's serial number is 274, currently registered to Frank G Welch, of
Woodinville, Washington.
I haven't been 'around' for a while. Firstly, AOL blacklisted the server I use
for email. My ISP then set up a new server to circumvent this problem in
mid-November. When I got the email facility back, I could receive email, but not
send any! At long last, the problem was fixed yesterday!
Anyway, I hope you all had a really nice Christmas, and I send all Best Wishes
for 2004.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow/totaliser on 520/560 |
A happy and very prosperous new year to you all. I had a great time listing
with fellow commanders. We pretty much had one of the worst years in our
business' 29 years existence, but the cause for celebration is that we are
all still healthy and managed to keep the doors open and some of the lights
on. There has been a roof over our heads and food on our plates. So, all was
not bad.
With 2004 at the door, it appears to have a good glow in the cheeks. I
cannot but thank our Lord for the blessings and the refinement that came
from affliction. And, of course, that we have a president who had the
cahoneys to lower taxes when not many believed it will make a difference.
For what it is worth, he has my vote for many more tax-lowering in the new
year.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "bruce campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel Flow/totaliser on 520/560
>
> Like to be able to maximise 86B's on-station time. Therefore, it would be
> "really" nice to be able to totalise my fuel accurately. My last foray in
> this yielded a "no-hgo" on the whole idea, but it seems to me someone is
> using a fuel totaliser on a 520/560/560A/560e or whatever already.
>
>
> Anyone have any input on what seems to be the hot set up?
>
>
> Bruce Campbell
> N4186B AC52
>
>
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Barry,
We leave tonight and will see you as planed Friday. Looking foreword to
seeing you and Elaine.
Best regards,
Moe & Linn
N680RR
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow/totaliser on 520/560 |
In a message dated 12/31/2003 7:52:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
With 2004 at the door, it appears to have a good glow in the cheeks. I
cannot but thank our Lord for the blessings and the refinement that came
from affliction. And, of course, that we have a president who had the
cahoneys to lower taxes when not many believed it will make a difference.
For what it is worth, he has my vote for many more tax-lowering in the new
AMEN!! Thanks for sharing Nico. I pray you will have a prosperous new year
in the Lord. jb
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Hi Moe,
I hope you and Linn have a safe, enjoyable flight and we are really looking
forward to seeing you both on Friday.
If you could bring some warmer weather with you, it will be much appreciated!
Take care,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N2774B
|
| Barry,
|
| We leave tonight and will see you as planed Friday. Looking foreword to
| seeing you and Elaine.
|
| Best regards,
|
| Moe & Linn
| N680RR|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
N2774B was based at S43 (Harvey Airfield, Snohomish, WA) until very
recently)...it may still be based there but is not there at the moment.
Plane was "freshened up" with spot paint and stripes in the last 18 months...
Plane flew occasionally, I would guess 1x per month, owner "ran it up" on the
ramp at the times that his schedule did not permit actual flight.
Exterior 5.0
Interior 5.0
I would say it is a steal at anything under 50K
Jim Carroll
206 261 6565
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/31/2003 10:00:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
JBOBSTER(at)aol.com writes:
N2774B was based at S43 (Harvey Airfield, Snohomish, WA) until very
recently)...it may still be based there but is not there at the moment.
HI KIDS.
I know something about this airplane, Two years ago, it had one
GO-480-D1A, 275hp and one GO-480-G1B6, 295HP. I talked to the owner about the
problem (he was looking for a propeller solution). The airplane has been both
a
560A and a 560A(HC) The logs are, well, edgy. I have no idea what is
currently installed now but you better find out. The ad stated it is "in annual"
so I
suppose he figured something out?? Or maybe not?? He said it was a little
squirrely on TO. I wonder why with an extra 20 hp on one side. Be informed, Be
careful, good luck. jb
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> He said it was a little
> squirrely on TO. I wonder why with an extra 20 hp on one side. Be informed,
Be
> careful, good luck. jb
Eeek! It's rather hard for me to imagine that someone would have been
flying that!
JB, what ever happened to that poor old 560 that was near you - the one
with the pretty panel but some corrosion...? Anyone ever give her a new
home and some tlc?
chris
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/31/2003 5:15:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
JB, what ever happened to that poor old 560 that was near you
HAPPY NEW YEAR CHRIS!! I don't remember which 560 you are talking about.
Give me another hint. There is a straight 500 parked at the Troutdale airport.
It is a pretty nice airplane but suffered a gear up start a couple of weeks
ago. The owner swears the handle was down and is telling everybody that the
gear collapsed because the hydraulic pressure had not got to the gear but the
brakes were holding, RRighTT!! Anyway, not to much damage was done, a prop
strike and some small wrinkles in the belly. Hope all is well with you this new
year my friend!! jb
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| From: | "Leon Stovall" <lstovall(at)cfl.rr.com> |
Jim,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Our 560 (N295V) is
undergoing the annual inspection and is almost done. The mechanic ask about
the brakes (Clevelands) and said that he talked to an FAA inspector here in
Florida that would sign off a 337 on the brake installation. As soon as we
get it, I'll fax you a copy if you still need it, just give me a fax number.
Leon
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 560 Brakes
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just thought I would put an end to a great "urban legend." For
> years many of us had heard of the straight 560 Commanders with Cleveland
brakes
> installed. We had a request from Jim Mcdonalad, Pilots for Christ, to
borrow
> some paperwork so he could install Cleveland's on his 560.
> Well, after many phone calls and much effort the truth is, it has
> never legally been done. Barry Collman looked at all the paperwork from
all the
> 560s from about 1982 forward and no 337 was ever done.
> Unfortunately, Jim will be stuck with his old brakes but at least
we
> now know. It is a real shame it was never done. jb
>
>
> "Arial" LANG"0">HI KIDS.
>
> I just thought I would put an end to
a=20> great "urban legend." For years many of us had heard of the straight
5> 60 Commanders with Cleveland brakes installed. We had a request from
J> im Mcdonalad, Pilots for Christ, to borrow some paperwork so he could
instal> l Cleveland's on his 560.
> Well, after many phone calls and much
e> ffort the truth is, it has never legally been done. Barry Collman
look> ed at all the paperwork from all the 560s from about 1982 forward and no
337> was ever done.
> Unfortunately, Jim will be stuck with
h> is old brakes but at least we now know. It is a real shame it was
neve> r done. jb
>
>
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where is troutdale and what is the n number of the 500 there? we did have a failure
similar to the one you describe, a mechanic hooked the hydraulic line backward
on the gear and it retracted when the engine was started. the gear on
that side retracted and just missed the mechanic when the prop hit the ground.
the brakes held just fine. al hoffman
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> I don't remember which 560 you are talking about.
Sorry, I mis-typed that - it was a straight 500 - 6209B. You'd taken
some pictures of it for me. Had a very pretty panel, but enough
corrosion that I didn't think I could get it to the condition I desired.
chris
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/1/2004 2:51:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, alh1(at)juno.com
writes:
where is troutdale and what is the n number of the 500 there? we did have a
failure similar to the one you describe, a mechanic hooked the hydraulic line
backward on the gear and it retracted when the engine was started. the gear
on that side retracted and just missed the mechanic when the prop hit the
ground. the brakes held just fine. al hoffman
I can get that for you. The airplane had just come out of an annual
inspection and was being run-up. I asked the guy if they had done any hose
replacement, he didn't know. My guess, the mechanic left the gear handle up and
the
pilot didn't catch it. So, who is the culprit?? Happy New year. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/1/2004 5:54:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
Sorry, I mis-typed that - it was a straight 500 - 6209B. You'd taken
some pictures of it for me. Had a very pretty panel, but enough
corrosion that I didn't think I could get it to the condition I desired.
Still parked in the weeds, still rotting away. I took some pix for another
flight group member but he also decided it was to lage of an undertaking. I
sure wish some handyman would save the old gal!! HAPPY NEW YEAR!! jb
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> Still parked in the weeds, still rotting away.
Sad to hear that jb. It's probably just about too far gone to seriously
think about a restoration by now. What a shame...
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| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
"Annuals" on the aircraft were done "out of town", as local IA refused due to
engine mismatch (actually an engine serial# mismatch)
...but I do believe it is in annual
Jim
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/1/2004 10:08:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
Sad to hear that jb. It's probably just about too far gone to seriously
think about a restoration by now. What a shame...
INDEED!! Like so many Commanders, a relatively minor problem, left
unattended to, overtakes the airplane. It is a good old 500 but has deteriorated
to
the extent that it is now borderline. Still, it could and should be saved,
they dont make any new ones!! jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/1/2004 10:37:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
JBOBSTER(at)aol.com writes:
"Annuals" on the aircraft were done "out of town", as local IA refused due to
engine mismatch (actually an engine serial# mismatch)
I'll bet the "mismatch" is bigger than that, but hey, I haven't seen it in a
couple of years. The GO-480-D1A is a pretty rare engine and I dont know of
any that could have been installed so??? Still, at 35K it is a pretty good
deal. It could be converted to an "HC" (Harry, do you still have a go 295hr??)
with the "Heavy Hartzell" mod for about 30-35 so a guy would only be in the
completed airplane 70 or so. It should be well worth that. jb
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> Still, it could and should be saved,
> they dont make any new ones!! jb
So true... Wouldn't it be incredible if someone put the Shrike back into
production, but with pressurization, a pair of those new Bombardier
V300T liquid-cooled engines, a Garmin G1000 panel, and some modern
props?!?!? (hey, we can dream right?)
Maybe the TCFG should try to get that 500 donated, then restore it and
raffle it off like the Swift foundation does. Seems to work well for them.
Chris
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Yes i Have Several (5) GO480-G1B6
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N2774B
>
> In a message dated 1/1/2004 10:37:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> JBOBSTER(at)aol.com writes:
> "Annuals" on the aircraft were done "out of town", as local IA refused due
to
> engine mismatch (actually an engine serial# mismatch)
>
>
> I'll bet the "mismatch" is bigger than that, but hey, I haven't seen it in
a
> couple of years. The GO-480-D1A is a pretty rare engine and I dont know
of
> any that could have been installed so??? Still, at 35K it is a pretty
good
> deal. It could be converted to an "HC" (Harry, do you still have a go
295hr??)
> with the "Heavy Hartzell" mod for about 30-35 so a guy would only be in
the
> completed airplane 70 or so. It should be well worth that. jb
>
>
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| Subject: | 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
| From: | Craig <cvairwerks(at)ev1.net> |
Hey guys...Been lurking for a while and finally got to the point that I have
some questions. These are mostly directed at those with 680/680E experience,
but any help is appreciated.
I recently picked up N265X as a project. Bought it knowing that the engines
and props are gone and the panel is bare. I need a cabin class a/c
eventually for family travel, but didn't want to buy a flyer for a number of
reasons. Although the logs are gone, from the pictures that I have, the
airframe doesn't appear to be real high time. From the historical data that
I have, she has been grounded without engines since somewhere around 1980.
I'm headed out to give the airframe a good inspection late this month and
make the final decision on restoration or breaking her up for parts. Just so
you have an idea, I'm a heavy structures/flight mechanic for Lockheed and
have been working on restorations for over 25 years....Now to the big
questions...
1. 680 vs. 680E Is it worth the time and effort to incorporate the upgrade
on the wing from the stock 680 wing to the E model wing. Does the 500# gross
increase justify the 100# or so increase in the empty weight? How about
handling characteristics? We will be operating probably 5-700# under gross
off of 3000' of grass most of the time. Both strips are below 1600MSL.
2. Spar inspections 265X appears to have not had the inspections done based
on historical records. If she hasn't be cut for the inspections, can they be
done by boresope or x-ray until a repair is needed or should I just plan on
opening the wings up anyway?
3. Glancing through the STC's it appears that Rockwell got an STC to replace
the GSO's with PT-6's. Outside of the a/c used for the STC, were any others
converted and if so how did they stack up against the standard a/c?
Following on that, has anyone looked at essentially doing the same STC but
substituting W 601's instead?
Looking forward to others thoughts and experiences......
Craig Cantwell
cvairwerks(at)ev1.net
Horseshoe Bend AIrport
Weatherford, Tx.
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
Please call Me I Have 2 680'S
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <cvairwerks(at)ev1.net>
Subject: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
>
>
> Hey guys...Been lurking for a while and finally got to the point that I
have
> some questions. These are mostly directed at those with 680/680E
experience,
> but any help is appreciated.
>
> I recently picked up N265X as a project. Bought it knowing that the
engines
> and props are gone and the panel is bare. I need a cabin class a/c
> eventually for family travel, but didn't want to buy a flyer for a number
of
> reasons. Although the logs are gone, from the pictures that I have, the
> airframe doesn't appear to be real high time. From the historical data
that
> I have, she has been grounded without engines since somewhere around 1980.
> I'm headed out to give the airframe a good inspection late this month and
> make the final decision on restoration or breaking her up for parts. Just
so
> you have an idea, I'm a heavy structures/flight mechanic for Lockheed and
> have been working on restorations for over 25 years....Now to the big
> questions...
>
> 1. 680 vs. 680E Is it worth the time and effort to incorporate the upgrade
> on the wing from the stock 680 wing to the E model wing. Does the 500#
gross
> increase justify the 100# or so increase in the empty weight? How about
> handling characteristics? We will be operating probably 5-700# under gross
> off of 3000' of grass most of the time. Both strips are below 1600MSL.
>
> 2. Spar inspections 265X appears to have not had the inspections done
based
> on historical records. If she hasn't be cut for the inspections, can they
be
> done by boresope or x-ray until a repair is needed or should I just plan
on
> opening the wings up anyway?
>
> 3. Glancing through the STC's it appears that Rockwell got an STC to
replace
> the GSO's with PT-6's. Outside of the a/c used for the STC, were any
others
> converted and if so how did they stack up against the standard a/c?
>
> Following on that, has anyone looked at essentially doing the same STC but
> substituting W 601's instead?
>
> Looking forward to others thoughts and experiences......
>
> Craig Cantwell
> cvairwerks(at)ev1.net
> Horseshoe Bend AIrport
> Weatherford, Tx.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
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Hi Craig,
I'll leave it to the experts to answer the majority of your questions, but the
one I can answer concerns the PT6 engines.
These were installed on a Turbo Commander, a Model 680T. However, after a period
of operating the PT6A-20's it was found that the heat from their exhaust was
damaging the front spar, so Rockwell cooled down on the idea.
The 680/680E both had the Lycoming GSO-480-A1A6 or -B1A6 engines.
N265X is serial number 353-43 (the 353rd Commander overall and the 43rd Model
680). It was Certificated on July 6th 1956 and was 'abandoned' in August 1983 by
Norcor of America Inc., who went out of business. A Court Order declared
ownership be vested in the name of Richard Du Four, but this was overturned, and
it was purchased by T&G Aviation Inc in July 1990. It has remained at Chandler,
Arizona, ever since.
Good Luck with the project if you decide to go ahead. It will be great to know
that a near-vintage Commander will be rescued.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
Aero Commander Historian (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig" <cvairwerks(at)ev1.net>
Subject: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
|
|
| Hey guys...Been lurking for a while and finally got to the point that I have
| some questions. These are mostly directed at those with 680/680E experience,
| but any help is appreciated.
|
| I recently picked up N265X as a project. Bought it knowing that the engines
| and props are gone and the panel is bare. I need a cabin class a/c
| eventually for family travel, but didn't want to buy a flyer for a number of
| reasons. Although the logs are gone, from the pictures that I have, the
| airframe doesn't appear to be real high time. From the historical data that
| I have, she has been grounded without engines since somewhere around 1980.
| I'm headed out to give the airframe a good inspection late this month and
| make the final decision on restoration or breaking her up for parts. Just so
| you have an idea, I'm a heavy structures/flight mechanic for Lockheed and
| have been working on restorations for over 25 years....Now to the big
| questions...
|
| 1. 680 vs. 680E Is it worth the time and effort to incorporate the upgrade
| on the wing from the stock 680 wing to the E model wing. Does the 500# gross
| increase justify the 100# or so increase in the empty weight? How about
| handling characteristics? We will be operating probably 5-700# under gross
| off of 3000' of grass most of the time. Both strips are below 1600MSL.
|
| 2. Spar inspections 265X appears to have not had the inspections done based
| on historical records. If she hasn't be cut for the inspections, can they be
| done by boresope or x-ray until a repair is needed or should I just plan on
| opening the wings up anyway?
|
| 3. Glancing through the STC's it appears that Rockwell got an STC to replace
| the GSO's with PT-6's. Outside of the a/c used for the STC, were any others
| converted and if so how did they stack up against the standard a/c?
|
| Following on that, has anyone looked at essentially doing the same STC but
| substituting W 601's instead?
|
| Looking forward to others thoughts and experiences......
|
| Craig Cantwell
| cvairwerks(at)ev1.net
| Horseshoe Bend AIrport
| Weatherford, Tx.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | Buddy Windham <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
Harry, are you getting my email......Respond asap.
"Harry Merritt"
Please call Me I Have 2 680'S
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig"
Subject: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
>
>
> Hey guys...Been lurking for a while and finally got to the point that I
have
> some questions. These are mostly directed at those with 680/680E
experience,
> but any help is appreciated.
>
> I recently picked up N265X as a project. Bought it knowing that the
engines
> and props are gone and the panel is bare. I need a cabin class a/c
> eventually for family travel, but didn't want to buy a flyer for a number
of
> reasons. Although the logs are gone, from the pictures that I have, the
> airframe doesn't appear to be real high time. From the historical data
that
> I have, she has been grounded without engines since somewhere around 1980.
> I'm headed out to give the airframe a good inspection late this month and
> make the final decision on restoration or breaking her up for parts. Just
so
> you have an idea, I'm a heavy structures/flight mechanic for Lockheed and
> have been working on restorations for over 25 years....Now to the big
> questions...
>
> 1. 680 vs. 680E Is it worth the time and effort to incorporate the upgrade
> on the wing from the stock 680 wing to the E model wing. Does the 500#
gross
> increase justify the 100# or so increase in the empty weight? How about
> handling characteristics? We will be operating probably 5-700# under gross
> off of 3000' of grass most of the time. Both strips are below 1600MSL.
>
> 2. Spar inspections 265X appears to have not had the inspections done
based
> on historical records. If she hasn't be cut for the inspections, can they
be
> done by boresope or x-ray until a repair is needed or should I just plan
on
> opening the wings up anyway?
>
> 3. Glancing through the STC's it appears that Rockwell got an STC to
replace
> the GSO's with PT-6's. Outside of the a/c used for the STC, were any
others
> converted and if so how did they stack up against the standard a/c?
>
> Following on that, has anyone looked at essentially doing the same STC but
> substituting W 601's instead?
>
> Looking forward to others thoughts and experiences......
>
> Craig Cantwell
> cvairwerks(at)ev1.net
> Horseshoe Bend AIrport
> Weatherford, Tx.
>
>
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
Yep
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
>
> Harry, are you getting my email......Respond asap.
>
> Harry Merritt wrote:--> Commander-List message
posted by: "Harry Merritt"
>
> Please call Me I Have 2 680'S
> Harry
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig"
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hey guys...Been lurking for a while and finally got to the point that I
> have
> > some questions. These are mostly directed at those with 680/680E
> experience,
> > but any help is appreciated.
> >
> > I recently picked up N265X as a project. Bought it knowing that the
> engines
> > and props are gone and the panel is bare. I need a cabin class a/c
> > eventually for family travel, but didn't want to buy a flyer for a
number
> of
> > reasons. Although the logs are gone, from the pictures that I have, the
> > airframe doesn't appear to be real high time. From the historical data
> that
> > I have, she has been grounded without engines since somewhere around
1980.
> > I'm headed out to give the airframe a good inspection late this month
and
> > make the final decision on restoration or breaking her up for parts.
Just
> so
> > you have an idea, I'm a heavy structures/flight mechanic for Lockheed
and
> > have been working on restorations for over 25 years....Now to the big
> > questions...
> >
> > 1. 680 vs. 680E Is it worth the time and effort to incorporate the
upgrade
> > on the wing from the stock 680 wing to the E model wing. Does the 500#
> gross
> > increase justify the 100# or so increase in the empty weight? How about
> > handling characteristics? We will be operating probably 5-700# under
gross
> > off of 3000' of grass most of the time. Both strips are below 1600MSL.
> >
> > 2. Spar inspections 265X appears to have not had the inspections done
> based
> > on historical records. If she hasn't be cut for the inspections, can
they
> be
> > done by boresope or x-ray until a repair is needed or should I just plan
> on
> > opening the wings up anyway?
> >
> > 3. Glancing through the STC's it appears that Rockwell got an STC to
> replace
> > the GSO's with PT-6's. Outside of the a/c used for the STC, were any
> others
> > converted and if so how did they stack up against the standard a/c?
> >
> > Following on that, has anyone looked at essentially doing the same STC
but
> > substituting W 601's instead?
> >
> > Looking forward to others thoughts and experiences......
> >
> > Craig Cantwell
> > cvairwerks(at)ev1.net
> > Horseshoe Bend AIrport
> > Weatherford, Tx.
> >
> >
>
>
> Buddy Windham, President
>
> Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
>
> 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> Grandville, Michigan 49418
> 616 896-6488 office
> 616 896-6490 fax
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Questions from a lurker |
Another lurker here.
Since Barry is the Commander Historian, I was wondering if he might know
where some of the Commanders I've flown ended up.
I first learned about Commanders flying 2nd seat in a 196? 560F. It was
bought new by Magnavox Corp and was registered as N580M until the owner
I flew with bought a 680V and transferred that tail number to the 680V.
No big deal, Just thought I'd ask. Thanks
Deneal Schilmeister (fka Captain Smiley)
St. Louis & Cincinnati
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
> -----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Barry Collman
> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:03 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
>
<barry.collman@air-
> britain.co.uk>
> N265X is serial number 353-43 (the 353rd Commander overall and the
43rd
> Model
> 680). It was Certificated on July 6th 1956 and was 'abandoned' in
August
> 1983 by
> Norcor of America Inc., who went out of business. A Court Order
declared
> ownership be vested in the name of Richard Du Four, but this was
> overturned, and
> it was purchased by T&G Aviation Inc in July 1990. It has remained at
> Chandler,
> Arizona, ever since.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
Hello Craig,
Let the adventure begin .... !
Sir Barry has answered your question(s) regarding the PT-6 installation on
the Commander airframe.
The structural reason for not hanging a PT-6 (or a copy of it) is now pretty
evident. The practical side is that you just won't have much range given the
PT-6 SFC and the altitudes you'll be flying a 680/680E at.
Also, the factory experiment was with a long body, so you'd have to go
through a lot of certification and flight test for a short body model as you
couldn't ride on the STC's coattails.
Should you extend the wing? The factory did. If you're mission is an
unimproved strip I'd advocate the long wing. I also like the slow speed handling
characteristics (and stall) of the long wing.
But I'll go easy on your trust fund. If you keep the original wing, you
won't be lacking much that you'd really notice unless you had broad experience
in
several other models and were judging on a more subtle scale.
Spend big on your engines, props and panel. Keep a photo or video journal of
the restoration as there will be a lot in interest in what you do and how you
do it.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680 Questions from a long time lurker |
In a message dated 1/4/2004 10:47:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
Should you extend the wing? The factory did.
I think the only people who can extend the wing is the factory?? I don't
believe anyone else was approved. I would not spend the $$ myself. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Questions from a lurker |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi Deneal,
N580M was indeed a Model 560F, serial number 1175-42. It was originally
registered N6287X (Certificated April 1962), then N141K, N580M, N7441B. The last
I knew of it was that it was purchased on January 31st 1978 by Aircraft Sales
Inc., of Charlotte, North Carolina.
It is then reported as having had an accident and burned on February 16th 1978,
but the details, such as location and circumstances, have eluded me to date. The
remains were reportedly with William Air Service, Fort Pierce, Florida, so that
may give a clue as to the location of its demise.
By direct email to yourself, I'm attaching an .xls file with the history. Let me
know any other serial/tail numbers and I'll send similar files.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Questions from a lurker
|
| Another lurker here.
|
| Since Barry is the Commander Historian, I was wondering if he might know
| where some of the Commanders I've flown ended up.
|
| I first learned about Commanders flying 2nd seat in a 196? 560F. It was
| bought new by Magnavox Corp and was registered as N580M until the owner
| I flew with bought a 680V and transferred that tail number to the 680V.
|
| No big deal, Just thought I'd ask. Thanks
|
|
| Deneal Schilmeister (fka Captain Smiley)
| St. Louis & Cincinnati
| http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
|
|
| > -----Original Message-----
| On Behalf Of Barry Collman
| > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:03 AM
| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680 Questions from a long time lurker
| >
| <barry.collman@air-
| > britain.co.uk>
|
|
|
| > N265X is serial number 353-43 (the 353rd Commander overall and the
| 43rd
| > Model
| > 680). It was Certificated on July 6th 1956 and was 'abandoned' in
| August
| > 1983 by
| > Norcor of America Inc., who went out of business. A Court Order
| declared
| > ownership be vested in the name of Richard Du Four, but this was
| > overturned, and
| > it was purchased by T&G Aviation Inc in July 1990. It has remained at
| > Chandler,
| > Arizona, ever since.
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane ride |
inAmerica!
From: "Richard I. Ward" <forward@net-link.net>
Subject: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane ride inAmerica!
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:48:47 -0500
MessageTBA MEMBERS AND FRIENDS!
Please take a few moments to read this well done article by Greg Herrick and then
send your comments to the FAA. Please take a moment to visit the site: How
I Can Help Save Airplane Rides in America and post a note at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments,
or send the a letter to the FAA telling them what you think=20about "NPRM
4521".
If enacted, this will hammer another nail in the coffin of general aviation, by
forcing us into Part 135 operations.
On a personal note...I have been a volunteer Captain on a 1929 Ford Tri-motor owned
and operated by the Kalamazoo Aviation History museum for many years and
have accumulated over 550 hours as a pilot, serving at no charge to the Air Zoo.
We give historical rides in this marvelous machine as a step back=20in time,
to the public and a nominal charge is made with receipts going to the Museum.
If this is enacted, that will be the end of that!
Dick
Richard I. Ward
Forward Horizons, LLC
&
Twin Bonanza Association
19684 Lakeshore Drive
Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA
Office/Home: 269.279.2540
Flight Operation: 269.279.7616
Cell: 269.251.2636
Email: forward@net-link.net
Web page: www.twinbonanza.com
Subject: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane ride in America!
From: Greg Herrick, Aviation Foundation of America, National Air Tour
As a friend of the National Air Tour we know that you are interested in America's
great aviation heritage. Now, you can help preserve that heritage -- by simply
expressing your opinion. Here's what is happening:
The FAA is presently considering a rule that would essentially eliminate the opportunity
for citizens to purchase an airplane ride.
A family ready for a ride in a New Standard bi-plane. Scenes like this one from
the National Air Tour, will become a thing of the past.
This is no exaggeration. On the National Air Tour we had four aircraft offering
rides: a Ford tri-motor, two New Standard bi-planes and a Travel Air bi-plane.
If the FAA adopts this new proposed rule, these types of rides will become a
thing of the past. Unfortunately, unlike the large air carriers, the people who
offer airplane rides are usually smaller operators who don't have a voice in
Washington, D.C. The only voice they really have is yours -- and now your voice
needs to be heard.
The FAA is now proposing that people offering local airplane rides must conform
to the same very onerous rules as large air carrier operations (known as Part
135 operators).
Presently, these folks who offer rides in your community, or at an event like the
National Air Tour, operate under what is called "Part 91" rules. According
to the FAA's own statistics, Part 91 operators are nearly twice as safe as those
operating under Part 135; Part 91 fixed wing airplane rides safer=20still!
Most of the safety issues the FAA is trying to solve are with helicopter operations
in Hawaii. Unfortunately, the FAA is trying to make a "one size sits all"
rule. This will basically eliminate operators offering local rides in historic
aircraft such as those offered during the National Air Tour.
Time and time again Clay Adams filled filled the seat of his beautiful 1929=20Travel
Air on the National Air Tour. He sells rides to share his passion and love
for our history. He has no big lobby in Washington.
Here at the Aviation Foundation of America, we have nothing at stake other than
to try to preserve an important grassroots aviation experience. People offering
airplane rides, whether in a Ford tri-motor, a bi-plane, or a Cessna at your
local airport have introduced millions of Americans to the joys of=20flight.
They deserve our help.
What we are asking you to do is to write a letter to the FAA in your own words,
opposing the incorporation of Part 91 ride giving operations currently operating
under CFR 119.1(e)(2), into Part 135.
A great deal of additional detail, including supporting arguments and assistance
in preparing your remarks, may be found at this link (click here)-> How I Can
Help Save Airplane Rides in America.
As you will find at that site, you may post your remarks directly over the Internet
at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments. You may also write a letter (the address is listed
at that link above).
The closing date for remarks is January 20th, so please make your opinion known
to the FAA as soon as possible. Thank you for helping to save an important part
of America's aviation heritage - your ability to buy and airplane ride!
Believe it or not, scenes like this could disappear from across America in a few
short months. The folks from Waldo Wright's Flying service, who made so many
people smile on the tour have written some of the commentary found in=20this
link about the FAAs Notice of Proposed Rule Making found here: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments.
Many vintage aircraft like this Ford tri-motor which sold rides on the National
Air Tour, will no longer be able to offer rides for hire. This, despite=20the
fact that they have safely flown tens of thousands of people for seventy-five
years and are lovingly maintained by their owners. With no way to even cover
their expenses if they are taken on the road, these ships will be relegated to
museums.
Please take a moment to visit the site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides in America
and post a note at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter to the
FAA telling them what you think about "NPRM 4521".
Thank you for your helping to save the airplane ride!
Greg Herrick, President
Aviation Foundation of America
NATIONAL AIR TOUR
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TBA MEMBERS AND
FRIENDS!
Please take a few moments to read this well done article by
Greg Herrick and then send your comments to the FAA. Please take a moment to visit
the site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides in America and post a note at:
FAA NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter to the FAA telling them
what you think about "NPRM 4521".
If enacted, this will hammer another nail in the coffin of general
aviation, by forcing us into Part 135 operations.
On a personal
note...I have been a volunteer Captain on a 1929 Ford Tri-motor owned and
operated by the Kalamazoo Aviation History museum for many years and have
accumulated over 550 hours as a pilot, serving at no charge to the Air Zoo.=20We
give historical rides in this marvelous machine as a step back in time, to the
public and a nominal charge is made with receipts going to the Museum. If this
is enacted, that will be the end of that!
Dick
Richard I. Ward
Forward Horizons,
LLC
Twin Bonanza Association
19684 Lakeshore Drive
Three Rivers,=20MI
49093 USA
Office/Home: 269.279.2540
Flight Operation:
269.279.7616
Cell: 269.251.2636
Email: forward@net-link.net
Web page: www.twinbonanza.com
Subject: Your voice is needed to help save
the airplane ride in America!
From: Greg Herrick,
Aviation Foundation of America, National Air Tour
As a friend of the National Air
Tour we know that you are interested in America's great aviation heritage. Now,
you can help preserve that heritage -- by simply expressing your opinion. Here's
what is happening:
The FAA is
presently considering a rule that would essentially eliminate the opportunity
for citizens to purchase an airplane ride.
![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/9.15WALDOscene.jpg" width448 NOSEND"1">
A family ready for a ride in
a New Standard bi-plane. Scenes like this one from the National Air Tour, will
become a thing of the past.
This is no exaggeration. On the
National Air Tour we had four aircraft offering rides: a Ford tri-motor, two New
Standard bi-planes and a Travel Air bi-plane. If the FAA adopts this new
proposed rule, these types of rides will become a thing of the past.
Unfortunately, unlike the large air carriers, the people who offer airplane
rides are usually smaller operators who don't have a voice in Washington, D.C.
The only voice they really have is yours -- and now your voice needs to be
heard.
The FAA is now proposing that
people offering local airplane rides must conform to the same very onerous rules
as large air carrier operations (known as Part 135 operators).
Presently, these folks who offer rides in your community, or
at an event like the National Air Tour, operate under what is called "Part 91"
rules. According to the FAA's own statistics, Part 91 operators are nearly twice
as safe as those
operating under Part 135; Part 91 fixed wing airplane rides safer still!
Most of the safety issues the FAA is trying to solve are with
helicopter operations in Hawaii. Unfortunately, the FAA is trying to make a=20"one
size sits all" rule. This will basically eliminate operators offering local
rides in historic aircraft such as those offered during the National Air Tour.
![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/27-TravelAir-NC397Mpilot.jpg" width425 NOSEND"1">
Time and time again
Clay Adams filled filled the seat of his beautiful 1929 Travel Air on the
National Air Tour. He sells rides to share his passion and love for our history.
He has no big lobby in Washington.
Here at the Aviation
Foundation of America, we have nothing at stake other than to try to preserve an
important grassroots aviation experience. People offering airplane rides,
whether in a Ford tri-motor, a bi-plane, or a Cessna at your local airport have
introduced millions of Americans to the joys of flight. They deserve our help.
What we are asking you to do is to write a letter to=20the
FAA in your own words, opposing the
incorporation of Part 91 ride giving operations currently operating under CFR
119.1(e)(2), into Part 135.
A great deal of additional detail,
including supporting arguments and assistance in preparing your remarks, may be
found at this link (click here)- How I Can Help Save
Airplane Rides in America.
As you will find at that site, you may post your remarks
directly over the Internet at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments. You may also write a
letter (the address is listed at that link above).
The
closing date for remarks is January 20th, so please make your opinion known=20to
the FAA as soon as possible. Thank you for helping to save an important part of
America's aviation heritage - your ability to buy and airplane ride!
![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/WaldoScene.JPG" width460 border0 NOSEND"1">Believe it or not,
scenes like this could disappear from across America in a few short months.=20The
folks from Waldo Wright's Flying service, who made so many people smile on the
tour have written some of the commentary found in this link about the FAAs
Notice of Proposed Rule Making found here: FAA
NPRM 4521 Comments.
![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/CANYON_FORD.JPG" width432 border0 NOSEND"1">
Many vintage
aircraft like this Ford tri-motor which sold rides on the National Air Tour,
will no longer be able to offer rides for hire. This, despite the fact that=20they
have safely flown tens of thousands of people for seventy-five years and are
lovingly maintained by their owners. With no way to even cover their expenses if
they are taken on the road, these ships will be relegated to museums.
Please take a moment to visit the site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides
in America and post a note at: FAA
NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter to the FAA telling them what you
think about "NPRM 4521".
Thank you for your helping to save the airplane
ride!
Greg Herrick, President
Aviation Foundation of America
NATIONAL
AIR TOUR
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| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane |
ride inAmerica!
I searched this and found alot of strange irrelevant information on
microsoft formating, no link to the problem.
I agree, but need the direction to the correct site.
Thanks
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane
ride inAmerica!
>
>
> From: "Richard I. Ward" <forward@net-link.net>
> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:"@mail5.mx.voyager.net;>
> Subject: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane ride inAmerica!
> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:48:47 -0500
>
>
> MessageTBA MEMBERS AND FRIENDS!
>
> Please take a few moments to read this well done article by Greg Herrick
and then send your comments to the FAA. Please take a moment to visit the
site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides in America and post a note at: FAA
NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter to the FAA telling them what you
think=20about "NPRM 4521".
>
> If enacted, this will hammer another nail in the coffin of general
aviation, by forcing us into Part 135 operations.
>
> On a personal note...I have been a volunteer Captain on a 1929 Ford
Tri-motor owned and operated by the Kalamazoo Aviation History museum for
many years and have accumulated over 550 hours as a pilot, serving at no
charge to the Air Zoo. We give historical rides in this marvelous machine as
a step back=20in time, to the public and a nominal charge is made with
receipts going to the Museum. If this is enacted, that will be the end of
that!
>
> Dick
>
> Richard I. Ward
> Forward Horizons, LLC
> &
> Twin Bonanza Association
> 19684 Lakeshore Drive
> Three Rivers, MI 49093 USA
> Office/Home: 269.279.2540
> Flight Operation: 269.279.7616
> Cell: 269.251.2636
> Email: forward@net-link.net
> Web page: www.twinbonanza.com
>
>
> Subject: Your voice is needed to help save the airplane ride in America!
>
>
> From: Greg Herrick, Aviation Foundation of America, National Air Tour
>
> As a friend of the National Air Tour we know that you are interested in
America's great aviation heritage. Now, you can help preserve that
heritage -- by simply expressing your opinion. Here's what is happening:
>
> The FAA is presently considering a rule that would essentially eliminate
the opportunity for citizens to purchase an airplane ride.
>
>
> A family ready for a ride in a New Standard bi-plane. Scenes like this one
from the National Air Tour, will become a thing of the past.
>
> This is no exaggeration. On the National Air Tour we had four aircraft
offering rides: a Ford tri-motor, two New Standard bi-planes and a Travel
Air bi-plane. If the FAA adopts this new proposed rule, these types of rides
will become a thing of the past. Unfortunately, unlike the large air
carriers, the people who offer airplane rides are usually smaller operators
who don't have a voice in Washington, D.C. The only voice they really have
is yours -- and now your voice needs to be heard.
>
> The FAA is now proposing that people offering local airplane rides must
conform to the same very onerous rules as large air carrier operations
(known as Part 135 operators).
>
> Presently, these folks who offer rides in your community, or at an event
like the National Air Tour, operate under what is called "Part 91" rules.
According to the FAA's own statistics, Part 91 operators are nearly twice as
safe as those operating under Part 135; Part 91 fixed wing airplane rides
safer=20still! Most of the safety issues the FAA is trying to solve are with
helicopter operations in Hawaii. Unfortunately, the FAA is trying to make a
"one size sits all" rule. This will basically eliminate operators offering
local rides in historic aircraft such as those offered during the National
Air Tour.
>
>
> Time and time again Clay Adams filled filled the seat of his beautiful
1929=20Travel Air on the National Air Tour. He sells rides to share his
passion and love for our history. He has no big lobby in Washington.
>
> Here at the Aviation Foundation of America, we have nothing at stake other
than to try to preserve an important grassroots aviation experience. People
offering airplane rides, whether in a Ford tri-motor, a bi-plane, or a
Cessna at your local airport have introduced millions of Americans to the
joys of=20flight. They deserve our help.
>
> What we are asking you to do is to write a letter to the FAA in your own
words, opposing the incorporation of Part 91 ride giving operations
currently operating under CFR 119.1(e)(2), into Part 135.
>
> A great deal of additional detail, including supporting arguments and
assistance in preparing your remarks, may be found at this link (click
here)-> How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides in America.
>
> As you will find at that site, you may post your remarks directly over the
Internet at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments. You may also write a letter (the
address is listed at that link above).
>
> The closing date for remarks is January 20th, so please make your opinion
known to the FAA as soon as possible. Thank you for helping to save an
important part of America's aviation heritage - your ability to buy and
airplane ride!
>
> Believe it or not, scenes like this could disappear from across America in
a few short months. The folks from Waldo Wright's Flying service, who made
so many people smile on the tour have written some of the commentary found
in=20this link about the FAAs Notice of Proposed Rule Making found here: FAA
NPRM 4521 Comments.
>
>
> Many vintage aircraft like this Ford tri-motor which sold rides on the
National Air Tour, will no longer be able to offer rides for hire. This,
despite=20the fact that they have safely flown tens of thousands of people
for seventy-five years and are lovingly maintained by their owners. With no
way to even cover their expenses if they are taken on the road, these ships
will be relegated to museums.
>
> Please take a moment to visit the site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides
in America and post a note at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter
to the FAA telling them what you think about "NPRM 4521".
>
> Thank you for your helping to save the airplane ride!
> Greg Herrick, President
> Aviation Foundation of America
> NATIONAL AIR TOUR
>
>
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>
> TBA MEMBERS AND
> FRIENDS!
>
> Please take a few moments to read this well done article by
> Greg Herrick and then send your comments to the FAA. Please take a moment
to visit the site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides in America and post a
note at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter to the FAA telling
them
> what you think about "NPRM 4521".
>
> If enacted, this will hammer another nail in the coffin of general
> aviation, by forcing us into Part 135 operations.
>
>
> On a personal
> note...I have been a volunteer Captain on a 1929 Ford Tri-motor owned and
> operated by the Kalamazoo Aviation History museum for many years and have
> accumulated over 550 hours as a pilot, serving at no charge to the Air
Zoo.=20We
> give historical rides in this marvelous machine as a step back in time, to
the
> public and a nominal charge is made with receipts going to the Museum. If
this
> is enacted, that will be the end of that!
>
> Dick
>
> Richard I. Ward
> Forward Horizons,
> LLC
>
>
> Twin Bonanza Association
> 19684 Lakeshore Drive
> Three Rivers,=20MI
> 49093 USA
> Office/Home: 269.279.2540
> Flight Operation:
> 269.279.7616
> Cell: 269.251.2636
> Email: forward@net-link.net
> Web page: www.twinbonanza.com
>
>
> Subject: Your voice is needed to help save
> the airplane ride in America!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Greg Herrick,
> Aviation Foundation of America, National Air Tour
>
> As a friend of the National Air
> Tour we know that you are interested in America's great aviation heritage.
Now,
> you can help preserve that heritage -- by simply expressing your opinion.
Here's
> what is happening:
>
> The FAA is
> presently considering a rule that would essentially eliminate the
opportunity
> for citizens to purchase an airplane ride.
>
> ![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/9.15WALDOscene.jpg" width448
NOSEND"1">
> A family ready for a ride in
> a New Standard bi-plane. Scenes like this one from the National Air Tour,
will
> become a thing of the past.
>
> This is no exaggeration. On the
> National Air Tour we had four aircraft offering rides: a Ford tri-motor,
two New
> Standard bi-planes and a Travel Air bi-plane. If the FAA adopts this new
> proposed rule, these types of rides will become a thing of the past.
> Unfortunately, unlike the large air carriers, the people who offer
airplane
> rides are usually smaller operators who don't have a voice in Washington,
D.C.
> The only voice they really have is yours -- and now your voice needs to be
> heard.
>
> The FAA is now proposing that
> people offering local airplane rides must conform to the same very onerous
rules
> as large air carrier operations (known as Part 135 operators).
>
>
> Presently, these folks who offer rides in your community, or
> at an event like the National Air Tour, operate under what is called "Part
91"
> rules. According to the FAA's own statistics, Part 91 operators are nearly
twice as safe as those
> operating under Part 135; Part 91 fixed wing airplane rides safer still!
> Most of the safety issues the FAA is trying to solve are with
> helicopter operations in Hawaii. Unfortunately, the FAA is trying to make
a=20"one
> size sits all" rule. This will basically eliminate operators offering
local
> rides in historic aircraft such as those offered during the National Air
Tour.
>
>
> ![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/27-TravelAir-NC397Mpilot.jpg"
width425 NOSEND"1">
> Time and time again
> Clay Adams filled filled the seat of his beautiful 1929 Travel Air on the
> National Air Tour. He sells rides to share his passion and love for our
history.
> He has no big lobby in Washington.
>
> Here at the Aviation
> Foundation of America, we have nothing at stake other than to try to
preserve an
> important grassroots aviation experience. People offering airplane rides,
> whether in a Ford tri-motor, a bi-plane, or a Cessna at your local airport
have
> introduced millions of Americans to the joys of flight. They deserve our
help.
>
>
> What we are asking you to do is to write a letter to=20the
> FAA in your own words, opposing the
> incorporation of Part 91 ride giving operations currently operating under
CFR
> 119.1(e)(2), into Part 135.
>
> A great deal of additional detail,
> including supporting arguments and assistance in preparing your remarks,
may be
> found at this link (click here)- How I Can Help Save
> Airplane Rides in America.
>
> As you will find at that site, you may post your remarks
> directly over the Internet at: FAA NPRM 4521 Comments. You may also write
a
> letter (the address is listed at that link above).
>
> The
> closing date for remarks is January 20th, so please make your opinion
known=20to
> the FAA as soon as possible. Thank you for helping to save an important
part of
> America's aviation heritage - your ability to buy and airplane ride!
>
>
> ![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/WaldoScene.JPG" width460
border0 NOSEND"1">Believe it or not,
> scenes like this could disappear from across America in a few short
months.=20The
> folks from Waldo Wright's Flying service, who made so many people smile on
the
> tour have written some of the commentary found in this link about the FAAs
> Notice of Proposed Rule Making found here: FAA
> NPRM 4521 Comments.
>
> ![]()
http://nationalairtour.org/images/maillist/CANYON_FORD.JPG" width432
border0 NOSEND"1">
> Many vintage
> aircraft like this Ford tri-motor which sold rides on the National Air
Tour,
> will no longer be able to offer rides for hire. This, despite the fact
that=20they
> have safely flown tens of thousands of people for seventy-five years and
are
> lovingly maintained by their owners. With no way to even cover their
expenses if
> they are taken on the road, these ships will be relegated to museums.
>
>
> Please take a moment to visit the site: How I Can Help Save Airplane Rides
> in America and post a note at: FAA
> NPRM 4521 Comments, or send the a letter to the FAA telling them what you
> think about "NPRM 4521".
>
> Thank you for your helping to save the airplane
> ride!
> Greg Herrick, President
> Aviation Foundation of America
> NATIONAL
> AIR TOUR
>
>
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I see from the FAA preliminary accident report website that we have sadly seem
to have lost a Model 690A Turbo Commander, serial number 11164, N700SR.
The sole occupant was fatally injured after the aircraft crashed during an
approach to Cortez, Colorado, on January 3rd.
It was purchased by LT Aire LLC., of Mesa, Arizona (my contact name was Michael
Caskey).
An unhappy start to the New Year.
Barry Collman (UK)
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/12/04 |
Does anyone know where I can get a outside door handle for a 500B?
Thanks,
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| From: | David Talley <dtalley1(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | CMDR Emergency in San Antonio |
Folks,
I'm currently in A&P school and this AM's class is all you want to know
about fuel systems. They got to the gate type valve. Of course I had to
pipe in and tell the class what Jimbob has taught me over the phone
concerning gate valves in the Commanders. The instructor asked me was I
talking about the "Twin Commanders"? When I replied yes, he informed me
that this past weekend, while moonlighting, the emergency vehicles were
called out (I belive at KSAT) to follow in an aircraft in distress. It was
a Twin Commander. That's all he knew. All gears were down and things
seemed OK.. Maybe a hydraulic problem? Does anyone know any additional
details?
Take care, God Bless, and Happy New Year to all!
Dave Talley
San Antonio, TX
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/12/04 |
I don't know if he still has them but Dallas Air Salvage had two B"s last
year.
1 800 336 6399
Jim Addington
N444BD
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Does anyone know where I can get a outside door handle for a 500B?
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Hello all,
I need to talk with some 520 and 560 owners about the true cost of ownership
for these models. Can do?
Jim Jorrie
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I don't know if he still has them but Dallas Air Salvage had two B"s last
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | A Few Commanders in Mexico |
Hello all -- and especially to Sir Barry for who this is for.
Was just crisscrossing Mexico for 3 days and came across 2 Commanders.
In MMZH -- Zihuateneo -- I parked next to a very handsome AC-500-U.
Registration XA-TMW, s/n 1668-17. It had a canvass cover on the cabin from the
leading edge of the wing forward, so couldn't see inside.
This is a very well kept -U. I did make out the Chamberlain nose under that
cover, but that's the only mod I could spot.
Next, (sadly) was in MMPR -- Puerto Vallarta -- parked in Aerotron's hangar,
as she appears to have been for a very long time. XB-GDS, a 690B, s/n 11371.
Has winglettes, but no left engine. I understand the owner comes out,
cleans it and is keeping the openings plugged up -- but I'd guess they took the
engine off for unscheduled maintenance and were overwhelmed by the cost??!?
That's all from this trip.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A Few Commanders in Mexico |
In a message dated 1/15/2004 10:23:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
Next, (sadly) was in MMPR -- Puerto Vallarta -- parked in Aerotron's hangar,
as she appears to have been for a very long time. XB-GDS, a 690B, s/n 11371.
Has winglettes, but no left engine. I understand the owner comes out,
cleans it and is keeping the openings plugged up -- but I'd guess they took
the
engine off for unscheduled maintenance and were overwhelmed by the cost??!?
HI WING or (HI-WING) COMMANDER GORDON.
I too saw the 690B when I was ferrying the 560F to Panama. Really
sad to see her rotting away. The shop guy told me in broken English that it
could be bought but had no idea what the price might be. Thanks for the
commander spotting!! jb
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great good
fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us to
lunch at a local English Pub.
Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should
be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the
Commanders and their history.
Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
Best wishes,
Moe and Linn
N680RR
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Great people, those Britons, huh?
We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in
London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White
something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
> Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
>
> My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great
good
> fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us
to
> lunch at a local English Pub.
>
> Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
should
> be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with
the
> Commanders and their history.
>
> Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Moe and Linn
> N680RR
>
>
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| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | North Atlantic Crossing Trip In Your Commander Summer |
2004
Hello Twin Commander Flight Group Members and list subscribers!
For those of you who attended the 2003 TCFG fly-in at Wright Brothers Airport
this summer you will know what I am talking about. For those who didn't a
quick recap.
I am an aircraft delivery pilot and have flown Twin Commanders across the
North Atlantic. During the fly-in at KMGY I made a presentation on crossing the
North Atlantic in a Shrike Commander.
My friend Ed Carlson who has crossed the North Atlantic 269 times and I are
putting together a guided tour across the North Atlantic during the summer of
2004 for Twin Commander aircraft owners. Several of you expressed interest in
participating during the fly-in. So now is the time for you to express your
interest again and let us know where the final European destination should be.
Do
you want to go to Scotland and see the lochness monster or will it be all the
way to London to visit Sir Barry and the Farnborough air show, or would you
prefer to cross the English Channel and storm the beaches of Normandy?
Our goal is to have ten Twin Commanders make the crossing together. More than
ten would be a logistical nightmare. We will be flying the North Route which
consists of flying into the Northeast territory of Canada now know as Nunavik,
Baffin Island, onto the west coast of Greenland to the town of Sondre
Stromfjord a former US Air Force Base where we'll drink Greenland Coffee, eat dried
fish, and reindeer steak, over the frozen polar icecap past the lost squadron's
resting place to the East coast of Greenland to the town of Kulusuk, which
has a 3900 foot hard packed gravel runway, to Reykjavik, Iceland for a bath at
the famous volcanic thermal spring The Blue Lagoon. From Reykjavik we'll set
out over Iceland to do a fly by of Iceland's most active volcano and make our
way down to the Northern tip of Scotland to the Isle of Lewis. From this point
on we can anywhere in Europe, it is really up to you as a group or individual.
The following is a rough schedule.
Deposit Due mid to late April
Mandatory North Atlantic Crossing Safety Course taught by Ed Carlson (269
North Atlantic Crossings, Sporty's Pilot Shop has his video and workbook on
Crossing the North Atlantic) in May at Commander Aero in Dayton, Ohio. You'll also
hear from Doctor Jeff Justice of Memphis, Tennessee. He'll speak about his
accident in 1986 on the Polar Icecap of Greenland in his Twin Comanche. He and
his wife both survived the crash.
If a number of West Coast participants sign up to go we'll conduct a second
training course on the West coast for you guys. You'll learn the do's and
don'ts of crossing the North Atlantic in a GA aircraft. Navigation, Communication,
Ditching procedures, and survival. Your insurance carrier will not provide you
with the necessary hull, liability, and SAR insurance without completing this
course.
While attending the training course it would be a good time for Gary Kromer's
crew to give your aircraft a pre-crossing inspection. If you don't bring your
aircraft to Dayton, we'll provide you with the recommended inspection and you
will have to have it performed at a facility of your choice.
The month of June will be devoted to processing paperwork, obtaining the
necessary insurance, shipping survival gear to you, and reviewing crossing safety
information, and weather tutorials.
Approximately, the second week in July we'll all meet in Maine for a pre
launch meeting, aircraft and equipment inspection, dinner, a guest speaker who
has
flown the North Atlantic more than 570 times will provide you with more
insight on crossing, and a good nights rest before we leave.
For planning purposes you should allow two to three weeks to complete the
trip to Europe and back. I have made it round trip in four days, but that was on
an aircraft with three pilots and actual flight time of 14 to 20 hours per day
and near perfect weather.
It is difficult to give you a hard number on the costs because a few things
are variable. The biggest is the weather and bad weather can add days to a trip
which means more hotel cost and food cost. I can tell you that avgas exceeds
$7 per gallon in Greenland and in some places we must stop in Canada. If we
have to fly in Greenland after 5PM or on Sunday we will have to pay $800 more
for keeping the airport open after hours or for opening on Sunday. All that
being said you should plan on the entire event costing you around $23,000 to
$25,000 per aircraft.
All the logistics involved from training, hotel accommodations, customs and
general declaration forms, handling fees, parking fees, negotiated fuel prices,
ground transportation, sightseeing, safety and survival gear, charts and
approach plates, weather briefing, flight planning and filing, will be handled
by
us. You will need to fly the airplane and enjoy the trip.
In addition, an experienced Commander mechanic and rated pilot who has flown
the North Atlantic will be joining us should your aircraft need assistance
during the trip. We will also carry a small inventory of common spare parts. And
much much more.
We will be filming a documentary of crossing the North Atlantic during the
trip, naturally each participant will receive a copy.
So, thanks for your indulgence and if you are interested please send me an
email or you can call me to discuss the trip in greater detail at 859-689-9046.
I need to have a rough aircraft and head count by the end of February to
negotiate fuel, handling fees, parking fees, and hotel prices.
Thank You,
Kevin Coons and Ed Carlson
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A Few Commanders in Mexico |
In a message dated 01/15/04 23:53:58 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
I too saw the 690B when I was ferrying the 560F to Panama. Really
sad to see her rotting away. The shop guy told me in broken English that it
could be bought but had no idea what the price might be. Thanks for the
commander spotting!! jb
Cap't JimBob,
I thought it might be on the market if someone wanted to pursue a project
airplane.
Since it's hangared at Aerotron, I'm sure they could put anyone that was
interested in touch with the owner.
While the plane is accumulating a bit of bird dung -- and who knows what the
status of the spar is -- it's not so far gone as to be written off yet.
http://www.aerotron.com.mx/
Hangar # 1, Aeropuerto Internacional G.D.O.
Puerto Vallarta Jalisco, M=E9xico
Zip Code: 48311
Tel: 52 (322) 221 19 21 Fax: 52 (322) 221 17 93
aerotroninfo(at)aerotron.com.mx
Somebody with too much time and money and love for Commanders should go
retrieve this one!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/16/2004 6:21:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com writes:
Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should
be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the
Commanders and their history.
AMEN!! AMEN!! Thank you Barry for all you do for all of us in
"Commanderland"!! jb
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Dear Kevin and Ed,
I am very interested in making the trip with the group, however, what is the
longest leg of the flight. Two IGSO540B1A engines are pretty thirsty, and my
fuel capacity is only 223 gals.
Please advise.
Best regards,
Moe Mills
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
All,
Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy.
To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they
have Lucas refrigerators".
Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system will
know what I mean.
Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's
the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p---
that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold.
An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10 return,
go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been
to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern
alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was
working for BMA.
For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near
Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the road
to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote:
>
>Great people, those Britons, huh?
>We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over in
>London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse, White
>something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
>Nico
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
>
> >
> > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
> >
> > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great
>good
> > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us
>to
> > lunch at a local English Pub.
> >
> > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
>should
> > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with
>the
> > Commanders and their history.
> >
> > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Moe and Linn
> > N680RR
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
re: Lucas refrigerators/AKA Lucas Electric
I have been told that Lucas is "The Prince of Darkness"
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
> All,
> Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy.
>
> To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they
> have Lucas refrigerators".
> Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system
will
> know what I mean.
>
> Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's
> the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p---
> that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold.
>
> An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10
return,
> go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been
> to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern
> alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was
> working for BMA.
>
> For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near
> Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the
road
> to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
> At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >Great people, those Britons, huh?
> >We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over
in
> >London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse,
White
> >something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
> >Nico
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
> > >
> > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the
great
> >good
> > > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated
us
> >to
> > > lunch at a local English Pub.
> > >
> > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
> >should
> > > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up
with
> >the
> > > Commanders and their history.
> > >
> > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Moe and Linn
> > > N680RR
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/16/2004 11:49:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
I have been told that Lucas is "The Prince of Darkness"
I had a Lotus motor car for a time and literally every Lucas electric
component failed including the dome light which very nearly burned the car to the
ground. Prince of darkness indeed!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | concorde last landing audio |
BlankFor sir Barry
Bilbo
Speedbird is the call sign for British Air. Listen to this when you have
about 15 mins. to spare. Should be no problem for you retirees!
Recording was made on October 24th, 2003
This 1.4 Megabyte, twelve minute and sixteen second audio file has the
aircraft/controller conversations of the last landings made by three
Concordes. They discuss timing the arrivals with controllers so as to have
the three Concordes land with 2.5 minute spacing at London's Heathrow
Airport. The first couple of minutes you can hear only the aircraft as
they are talking to the center. As the aircraft switch over to Heathrow's
frequencies, you can hear both sides of the conversations. The beep tones
come from the scanner receiver as channels are changed to follow the
aircraft. This recording was made by a scanner enthusiast located near the
airport. You will hear "Speedbird Concorde 2" most of the time.
http://www.wades.web.st/Audio/Concordes24_10_03.wav
________________________________________________________________________________
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi Moe,
Glad to see that you and Linn got back safely and that you had an enjoyable stay
in the UK.
Elaine & I really enjoyed being with you both, and thoroughly enjoyed your
company.
Did you find out what the problem was with your Cell phone?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
|
| Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
|
| My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the great good
| fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated us to
| lunch at a local English Pub.
|
| Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members should
| be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up with the
| Commanders and their history.
|
| Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
|
| Best wishes,
|
| Moe and Linn
| N680RR
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: A Few Commanders in Mexico |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi Keith,
As usual, my grateful thanks for the 'roving report'. I know I've said it
before, but I'll say it again! These reports are ALWAYS useful, as they confirm
whether a Commander is still active, or not. It also confirms any 'foreign'
registration marks are still in use. It is so difficult to get that kind of data
from anywhere outside the USA.
XA-TMW I have had with Taxi Aereo De Morelia SAdeCV., in Morelia, State of
Michoacan since 12Jan99. The aircraft has been in Mexico since new, but not
always as XA-TMW. It was originally XB-NAU Cementos Mexicanos. That's rather
fitting, as we now have 'concrete' evidence that it is still around!
I'm not sure where Zihuateneo is in relation to Morelia, but a trawl through my
atlas later on may help.
The 690B has been in Mexico in various marks since November 1987. It was
originally new in South Africa as ZS-JRD, returned to the USA in December 1984,
then to Mexico.
Thanks again Keith!
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: A Few Commanders in Mexico
|
| Hello all -- and especially to Sir Barry for who this is for.
|
| Was just crisscrossing Mexico for 3 days and came across 2 Commanders.
|
| In MMZH -- Zihuateneo -- I parked next to a very handsome AC-500-U.
| Registration XA-TMW, s/n 1668-17. It had a canvass cover on the cabin from
the
| leading edge of the wing forward, so couldn't see inside.
|
| This is a very well kept -U. I did make out the Chamberlain nose under that
| cover, but that's the only mod I could spot.
|
| Next, (sadly) was in MMPR -- Puerto Vallarta -- parked in Aerotron's hangar,
| as she appears to have been for a very long time. XB-GDS, a 690B, s/n 11371.
| Has winglettes, but no left engine. I understand the owner comes out,
| cleans it and is keeping the openings plugged up -- but I'd guess they took
the
| engine off for unscheduled maintenance and were overwhelmed by the cost??!?
|
| That's all from this trip.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | CHRIS WALL, WHERE ARE YOU?? |
HI CHRIS.
Please email or call me personaly. Thanks!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Hi Jim,
Had a question regarding Bruce Campbell. After doing the Cleveland
conversion to N160K, which you provided paperwork and guidance on, I
offered my Goodyear stuff to anyone with a need if they paid shipping.
Calipers went to Bruce, the rest to Mario. Mario was quite gratefully.
Bruce, even after several prompts wont even pay for shipping.
In an industry which operates in large part on trust, I don't know what to
make of Mr. Campbell.
The money is not the issue here. I figure you know the group better than
any one. Is this what one should expect from Mr. Campbell?
Phil Stubbs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "bruce campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bruce Campbell |
Sorry about that.
Dec 22, I suufered a complete fracture of my tibia/fibula. I spend a week
in the hospital, followed by a couple of weeks *Seriouly* drugged, in a
steel splint which didnt allow for much more than getting to the bathroom.
About a week ago I got a cast, which has made getting dressed (in oversized
sweats) feasible, and have only slowly started to get around. I will send
your money ASAP, but am currently dependent on volunteers to drive me around
to places like the bank, etc. which is making all of my bill paying, getting
to work, etc, quite awkward.
I have had my car modified with a left-side gas pedal. I have neededa
volunteer to get me there/to get it, and that will occur on monday.
The doctor is taking new Xrays tuesday, and there is a good chance I'll be
out of the cast and into a "walking cast" in about two or three weeks.
I admit I have let a lot of stuff go, including my email. For that I'm
sorry.
Not an excuse, but, I, hope an explanation.
Bruce Campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bruce Campbell |
Thanks for the explanation Bruce.
Sorry to hear about your predicament.
Phil
> [Original Message]
> From: bruce campbell <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> To:
> Date: 1/18/2004 7:14:20 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Bruce Campbell
>
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Dec 22, I suufered a complete fracture of my tibia/fibula. I spend a week
> in the hospital, followed by a couple of weeks *Seriouly* drugged, in a
> steel splint which didnt allow for much more than getting to the bathroom.
>
> About a week ago I got a cast, which has made getting dressed (in
oversized
> sweats) feasible, and have only slowly started to get around. I will send
> your money ASAP, but am currently dependent on volunteers to drive me
around
> to places like the bank, etc. which is making all of my bill paying,
getting
> to work, etc, quite awkward.
>
> I have had my car modified with a left-side gas pedal. I have neededa
> volunteer to get me there/to get it, and that will occur on monday.
>
> The doctor is taking new Xrays tuesday, and there is a good chance I'll be
> out of the cast and into a "walking cast" in about two or three weeks.
>
> I admit I have let a lot of stuff go, including my email. For that I'm
> sorry.
>
> Not an excuse, but, I, hope an explanation.
>
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bruce Campbell |
Bruce,
I guess you won't be talking back to your other half again ha ha. That
sounds bad hope you get well soon.
Jim Addington
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of bruce
campbell
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Bruce Campbell
Sorry about that.
Dec 22, I suufered a complete fracture of my tibia/fibula. I spend a week
in the hospital, followed by a couple of weeks *Seriouly* drugged, in a
steel splint which didnt allow for much more than getting to the bathroom.
About a week ago I got a cast, which has made getting dressed (in oversized
sweats) feasible, and have only slowly started to get around. I will send
your money ASAP, but am currently dependent on volunteers to drive me around
to places like the bank, etc. which is making all of my bill paying, getting
to work, etc, quite awkward.
I have had my car modified with a left-side gas pedal. I have neededa
volunteer to get me there/to get it, and that will occur on monday.
The doctor is taking new Xrays tuesday, and there is a good chance I'll be
out of the cast and into a "walking cast" in about two or three weeks.
I admit I have let a lot of stuff go, including my email. For that I'm
sorry.
Not an excuse, but, I, hope an explanation.
Bruce Campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
The web site is currently down but will soon return. I want to thank
Dan Dminguiz and Chris Schurrmann for their prompt resolution of the problem.
All of us in Commanderland are in their debt!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Bad phone. At least they didn't charge me for it.
Best regards,
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Bilbow,
Spot on.
Actually, Lucas systems run on smoke, the proof is: Every time the smoke
leaks out, the car stops.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 18:48 17/01/2004, you wrote:
>
>re: Lucas refrigerators/AKA Lucas Electric
>
>I have been told that Lucas is "The Prince of Darkness"
>
>bilbo
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
>
>
> >
> > All,
> > Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy.
> >
> > To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because they
> > have Lucas refrigerators".
> > Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system
>will
> > know what I mean.
> >
> > Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true, that's
> > the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther p---
> > that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste cold.
> >
> > An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10
>return,
> > go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had been
> > to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding pattern
> > alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I was
> > working for BMA.
> >
> > For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near
> > Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the
>road
> > to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton
> >
> >
> > At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote:
>
> > >
> > >Great people, those Britons, huh?
> > >We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop over
>in
> > >London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse,
>White
> > >something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
> > >Nico
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
> > > >
> > > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the
>great
> > >good
> > > > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They treated
>us
> > >to
> > > > lunch at a local English Pub.
> > > >
> > > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we members
> > >should
> > > > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping up
>with
> > >the
> > > > Commanders and their history.
> > > >
> > > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Moe and Linn
> > > > N680RR
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton,
> > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
> >
> > will remain valid for about three months.
> > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> > three months, the date will be notified.
> >
> >
>
>
COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton,
Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
will remain valid for about three months.
All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
three months, the date will be notified.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
Commanderland;
The only car I ever had that the spark plug wires in the distributor would
rust (about every winter) and ground out was a Sunbeam Alpine with a Lucas
system. I knew people who owned Jaguars and its the first thing they
replaced. My brother-in-law never did on his but it used to ride piggy
back on a lot of tow trucks. Has Ford replaced the Lucas system on Jaguars
now or is Lucas better now days?
Don
Lowell D. Girod
dongirod(at)earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> To:
> Date: 1/19/2004 7:38:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
>
> Bilbow,
> Spot on.
> Actually, Lucas systems run on smoke, the proof is: Every time the smoke
> leaks out, the car stops.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> > > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies,
W.J.R.Hamilton,
> > > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
> > >
> > > will remain valid for about three months.
> > > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in
about
> > > three months, the date will be notified.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton,
> Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
>
> will remain valid for about three months.
> All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> three months, the date will be notified.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
My father was a Jaguar user (three in a row in the 60's & 70's), he was an
electronic engineer and could not believe that a car in the price range of
the Jag could have such a lousy electrical and heating systems.
I remember the heating system more in that you had two buttons HEAT & OFF
period, they did not merge cold air with the warm for intermediate heat
settings.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
>
> Commanderland;
> The only car I ever had that the spark plug wires in the
distributor would
> rust (about every winter) and ground out was a Sunbeam Alpine with a Lucas
> system. I knew people who owned Jaguars and its the first thing they
> replaced. My brother-in-law never did on his but it used to ride piggy
> back on a lot of tow trucks. Has Ford replaced the Lucas system on
Jaguars
> now or is Lucas better now days?
> Don
>
> Lowell D. Girod
> dongirod(at)earthlink.net
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> > To:
> > Date: 1/19/2004 7:38:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> >
>
> >
> > Bilbow,
> > Spot on.
> > Actually, Lucas systems run on smoke, the proof is: Every time the smoke
> > leaks out, the car stops.
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> > > > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies,
> W.J.R.Hamilton,
> > > > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
> > > >
> > > > will remain valid for about three months.
> > > > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in
> about
> > > > three months, the date will be notified.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies,
W.J.R.Hamilton,
> > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
> >
> > will remain valid for about three months.
> > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> > three months, the date will be notified.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Commander for sale |
Ladies and Gentleman,
Today while at KLUK Cincinnati Municipal Field I saw N2703B a 1955 560 Aero
Commander for sale.
Joe Babis of Avionics Inc has the plane.
Here are a few details.
S/N 230
4600TT
70 hrs TT SMOH GO-480-B engines
Annual was completed June 2003
Fresh five year props
KX 155/GS Com Nav with Glidescope K1209
MK 16 Com nav with nav indicator
audio panel with 3 light marker receiver
intercom, 900 stormscope
M1 loran, factory oxygen, B4 A/P new instrument panel
asking 89,500.
My opinion the outside is a 4-5 and the inside is a 4 to 5.
You can reach Joe at 513-871-6222. He has the specs and pictures he can email
you. Please let him know you heard about it from me.
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
It's real hard to get the smoke back in, once it comes out, too.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
>
> Bilbow,
> Spot on.
> Actually, Lucas systems run on smoke, the proof is: Every time the smoke
> leaks out, the car stops.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 18:48 17/01/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >re: Lucas refrigerators/AKA Lucas Electric
> >
> >I have been told that Lucas is "The Prince of Darkness"
> >
> >bilbo
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > All,
> > > Or pubs named after various selected parts of Royal anatomy.
> > >
> > > To repeat an oldie but a goodie "Why to poms drink warm beer, because
they
> > > have Lucas refrigerators".
> > > Anybody who has had a English motor car with a Lucas electrical system
> >will
> > > know what I mean.
> > >
> > > Mind you, drinking something like Theakstons Old Peculiar ( true,
that's
> > > the name of a great ale, which is absolutely nothing like the panther
p---
> > > that all too commonly masquerades as lager beers) would be a waste
cold.
> > >
> > > An interesting summer outing was a QF 9 London to Manchester, QF 10
> >return,
> > > go at 8/9000 instead of FL200 plus, and see how many pubs that we had
been
> > > to, that we could identify @ 250 kt. From the Bovingdon holding
pattern
> > > alone, I could identify about 10, I used to live right under it when I
was
> > > working for BMA.
> > >
> > > For something really quaint, try the Dewdrop at Hurley, near
> > > Henley-on-Thames, you will need directions from a ( really) local, the
> >road
> > > to it doesn't even appear on an Ordinance Survey map.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bill Hamilton
> > >
> > >
> > > At 02:38 17/01/2004, you wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > >Great people, those Britons, huh?
> > > >We fell in love with the English Pub-way of life. Whenever we stop
over
> >in
> > > >London, we rush to a quaint English Pub nearby Heathrow (White Horse,
> >White
> > > >something, cannot remember) and have a meal and a pint.
> > > >Nico
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Fellow Commander Drivers:
> > > > >
> > > > > My wife, Linn, and I just returned from the U.K., where we had the
> >great
> > > >good
> > > > > fortune to meet up with the Collmans (Barry and Elaine). They
treated
> >us
> > > >to
> > > > > lunch at a local English Pub.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linn and I both wish to thank them very much. Also, all of we
members
> > > >should
> > > > > be very thankful for Barry's hard work and dedication to keeping
up
> >with
> > > >the
> > > > > Commanders and their history.
> > > > >
> > > > > Barry advises that the book is "still a little ways off."
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > >
> > > > > Moe and Linn
> > > > > N680RR
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> > > The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies,
W.J.R.Hamilton,
> > > Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
> > >
> > > will remain valid for about three months.
> > > All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in
about
> > > three months, the date will be notified.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> COMMUNICATIONS CHANGES: All Recipients Please Note.
> The new email address for all Glenalmond Group Companies, W.J.R.Hamilton,
> Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net is:
>
> will remain valid for about three months.
> All phone numbers remain unchanged, but changes will take place in about
> three months, the date will be notified.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
If anyone comes across a 680FLP with the Mr.RPM conversion would you let me
know.
The one I was one the verge of buying has been pulled off the market.
Tom F.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander for sale |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi All,
Serial number 230 was the last Model 560 built, so is someone's chance to own a
piece of history!
N2730B has been registered to the same owner, William E Crump Jr., of Garden
City, Michigan, since he purchased it on December 13th 1978.
It has had a couple of documented accidents.
The first was on December 23rd 1974 when the gear retracted during the landing
roll (NTSB file no. 3-4173).
Repair was signed-off as completed on February 2nd 1975.
The second was 10 days later when, on February 12th the gear collapsed after a
hard landing in poor weather/icing conditions (NTSB file no. 3-0369)
Repair was signed-off as completed on April 29th 1975.
For an aircraft which will be 49 years old in June, it has had relatively few
owners. Five, if dealers are not included.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander for sale
|
| Ladies and Gentleman,
|
| Today while at KLUK Cincinnati Municipal Field I saw N2703B a 1955 560 Aero
| Commander for sale.
|
| Joe Babis of Avionics Inc has the plane.
|
| Here are a few details.
|
| S/N 230
|
| 4600TT
|
| 70 hrs TT SMOH GO-480-B engines
|
| Annual was completed June 2003
|
| Fresh five year props
|
| KX 155/GS Com Nav with Glidescope K1209
| MK 16 Com nav with nav indicator
| audio panel with 3 light marker receiver
| intercom, 900 stormscope
| M1 loran, factory oxygen, B4 A/P new instrument panel
|
| asking 89,500.
|
| My opinion the outside is a 4-5 and the inside is a 4 to 5.
|
| You can reach Joe at 513-871-6222. He has the specs and pictures he can email
| you. Please let him know you heard about it from me.
|
| Kevin Coons
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking to buy |
Call Me!
Harry 321 267-3141
1964 680FLP MR. RPM I0-720 Turbo, Automatic waste gates, 170SMOH, Props
O,With New long Blades
Fresh Annual. New Cleveland's,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Looking to buy
>
> If anyone comes across a 680FLP with the Mr.RPM conversion would you let
me
> know.
> The one I was one the verge of buying has been pulled off the market.
> Tom F.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
where has everyone gone? or am I just not getting any messages?
dan farmer
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We're all here. Just quiet....
Still, maybe someone should talk.
So, anyone know a DER who can get cleveland brakes for a 520 and 560
approved?
Bruce Campbell
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Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
Has anyone received their fund raising choices yet?
I asked earlier but I think the Email went astray as I did not receive a
reply.
Tom F.
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | fund raising gift / Commander Spot |
In a message dated 01/25/04 21:51:21 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Has anyone received their fund raising choices yet?
I asked earlier but I think the Email went astray as I did not receive a
reply.
Hi Tom,
Got my Jeppesen flight case about 2 weeks ago. Maybe 3 weeks ago now.
Wonder if yours if delayed because it's going to a far away, foreign country.
Was at Watsonville, California (KWVI) on the Monterey Bay on Friday -
Saturday and had about 30 seconds to visit N2686B, an AC-560, s/n 186 with a data
plate stating November 1954.
Sir Barry, the only thing to report to you is an apparent nose cap repair (it
was unpainted and the "U-shaped" Glideslope antenna was placed in kind of a
quirky up angle on the new nose cap.
Speaking of antennas, this specimen sports quite a rack of antlers along its
back. Some real relic antennas. Kind of fun to see the originals.
The nose tire is flat, struts a bit dusty, so I'd guess this old gal isn't
flying much.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
I am working on this. maybe this week
Harry
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Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
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> We're all here. Just quiet....
>
>
> Still, maybe someone should talk.
>
> So, anyone know a DER who can get cleveland brakes for a 520 and 560
> approved?
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> Bruce Campbell
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
I am weathered in Winnipeg Canada (-28) trying to deliver a 680 (N3341) from
Tenn to Edmonton. I have been at this a week today and really want (need) to
get home. Still scuzzy, but hope for today. jb
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| From: | "Jim" <jjorrie(at)satx.rr.com> |
| Subject: | fund raising gift / Commander Spot |
Was it for sale or just lonely on the ramp?
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: fund raising gift / Commander Spot
In a message dated 01/25/04 21:51:21 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Has anyone received their fund raising choices yet?
I asked earlier but I think the Email went astray as I did not receive a
reply.
Hi Tom,
Got my Jeppesen flight case about 2 weeks ago. Maybe 3 weeks ago now.
Wonder if yours if delayed because it's going to a far away, foreign
country.
Was at Watsonville, California (KWVI) on the Monterey Bay on Friday -
Saturday and had about 30 seconds to visit N2686B, an AC-560, s/n 186 with a
data
plate stating November 1954.
Sir Barry, the only thing to report to you is an apparent nose cap repair
(it
was unpainted and the "U-shaped" Glideslope antenna was placed in kind of a
quirky up angle on the new nose cap.
Speaking of antennas, this specimen sports quite a rack of antlers along its
back. Some real relic antennas. Kind of fun to see the originals.
The nose tire is flat, struts a bit dusty, so I'd guess this old gal isn't
flying much.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
Hugh Evans of Merlyn Products is a DER and could probably do it.
509-838-7500
Scott
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
Are you getting paid while you watch the snow?
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
>
> I am weathered in Winnipeg Canada (-28) trying to deliver a 680 (N3341)
from
> Tenn to Edmonton. I have been at this a week today and really want (need)
to
> get home. Still scuzzy, but hope for today. jb
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
In a message dated 1/26/2004 11:17:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
writes:
>
> Are you getting paid while you watch the snow?
Yep, but I would rather be spending what I have already earned, at HOME!! jb
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: fund raising gift / Commander Spot |
In a message dated 01/26/04 06:20:39 Pacific Standard Time,
jjorrie(at)satx.rr.com writes:
Was it for sale or just lonely on the ramp?
Every airplane is for sale, isn't it? ;-)
Nothing visible saying it's for sale, though.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: fund raising gift / Commander Spot |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Thanks Wing Commander!
N2686B seems to have caught up in a paperwork glitch since purchased by Nancy
Stewart, of Cameron Park, California on September 20th 2001.
The FAA are awaiting a completed Application for Registration (plus the proncely
sum of $5 of course).
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: fund raising gift / Commander Spot
|
| In a message dated 01/25/04 21:51:21 Pacific Standard Time,
| tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
| Has anyone received their fund raising choices yet?
| I asked earlier but I think the Email went astray as I did not receive a
| reply.
| Hi Tom,
|
| Got my Jeppesen flight case about 2 weeks ago. Maybe 3 weeks ago now.
| Wonder if yours if delayed because it's going to a far away, foreign country.
|
| Was at Watsonville, California (KWVI) on the Monterey Bay on Friday -
| Saturday and had about 30 seconds to visit N2686B, an AC-560, s/n 186 with a
data
| plate stating November 1954.
|
| Sir Barry, the only thing to report to you is an apparent nose cap repair (it
| was unpainted and the "U-shaped" Glideslope antenna was placed in kind of a
| quirky up angle on the new nose cap.
|
| Speaking of antennas, this specimen sports quite a rack of antlers along its
| back. Some real relic antennas. Kind of fun to see the originals.
|
| The nose tire is flat, struts a bit dusty, so I'd guess this old gal isn't
| flying much.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: TEDS OLD COMMANDER |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi JimBob!
I know, rather late, but when I got this email, I couldn't 'talk' to AOL
users.......a situation now behind me, thank goodness.
Would it be ethical to pass the contact details of the owner of Ted Smith's
Commander on to me?
I'd just like to check who he is (I last had it owned by a company called
Occidental de Aviacion Ltda., in Cali, state of Valle De Cauca).
Thanks!
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: TEDS OLD COMMANDER
|
| HI KIDS.
|
| I just had a nice email from the guy who now owns Ted Smiths
| old 680E (He also owns a 685, Milt?) The 680E was purchased in California
| about 20 years ago as N272TS It now flies in Cali Columbia. The owner is
have
| it restored and plans to make is like new. That would be cool!! jb
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
There is a hydrualic pump on ebay advertised as a pesco 349 for a twin commander.
Does anyone know if this the correct pump for a 500B?
thanks
dan farmer
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: hydraulic pump |
In a message dated 1/28/2004 9:26:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com writes:
There is a hydrualic pump on ebay advertised as a pesco 349 for a twin
commander. Does anyone know if this the correct pump for a 500B?
Nope, it is for the geared engines and I am bidding so BACK OFF!! :-) jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: hydraulic pump |
I don't think this is the same pump that fits on a 500B/U/S, but I can't be
sure. My pump has supply/return fittings oriented 90 degrees to the one
shown on e bay (mine point outboard, not aft). My pump part number is
105HBG211B. Also, if the pump was overhauled more than 7-8 years ago, you
could be in for a reseal job at a minimum if the o rings are gone. That
overhaul tag looks pretty old. Good Luck.
Scott
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Hi guys,
There's a rather nice shot of YV-1050P, a Model 690B, seral number 11443 to be
found at:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/502324/L/
Best Regards,
Barry C.
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Wow! Beautiful Turbo Commander and one of the better air to air photos I've
seen in a long time.
I was in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, (MMSD) yesterday and saw a terrific specimen
of a 500A/B.
I'm embarrassed that I lost my scribbled notes and know the serial number is
all important, Sir Barry.
But -- N500VF was one of the 500A models factory converted to a 500B. There
was an auxilliary data plate stating the conversion at Bethany, Oklahoma, and
the date may have been November, 1964.
It also looks like a Gary Gadberry product with Shrike nose, eyebrow
windows, slim line vent windows, winglettes, square rudder cap and tail stinger.
The
avionics were not his canted radio stack, however, so it may have been an
early treatment, or, just an exterior work over.
This Commander sports a very striking paints scheme: the top half is a deep,
deep gray -- almost black -- metallic paint with yellow stripes. The
airplane appears to be in very Bristol shape.
Wing Commander Gordon
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Thanks Wing Commander.
I was unable to find an "N500VF" on my database, so unless it is a very
recently-changed "N" number, I think it may well have been N500FV, owned by
Frank Vessels (of Bonsall, CA).
This is s/n 1248, now a Model 500B. Formerly a 1962 500A (s/n 1248-73) it was
converted to a 500B, with the conversion signed-off on 03Dec64.
It was indeed "breathed on" by Gary Gadberry's Aircenter Inc in June 2000, hence
all the nice mods.
Sounds like an interesting paint job. What color was the bottom half?
Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: YV-1050P
|
| Wow! Beautiful Turbo Commander and one of the better air to air photos I've
| seen in a long time.
|
| I was in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, (MMSD) yesterday and saw a terrific specimen
| of a 500A/B.
|
| I'm embarrassed that I lost my scribbled notes and know the serial number is
| all important, Sir Barry.
|
| But -- N500VF was one of the 500A models factory converted to a 500B. There
| was an auxilliary data plate stating the conversion at Bethany, Oklahoma, and
| the date may have been November, 1964.
|
| It also looks like a Gary Gadberry product with Shrike nose, eyebrow
| windows, slim line vent windows, winglettes, square rudder cap and tail
stinger. The
| avionics were not his canted radio stack, however, so it may have been an
| early treatment, or, just an exterior work over.
|
| This Commander sports a very striking paints scheme: the top half is a deep,
| deep gray -- almost black -- metallic paint with yellow stripes. The
| airplane appears to be in very Bristol shape.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | Don <crunk1(at)direcway.com> |
Hey there is what looks like an original aerodesign 520 maintenance manual on e
bay that's gonna go for 5 bucks if someone doesn't grab it.
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/2/2004 3:23:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
crunk1(at)direcway.com writes:
Hey there is what looks like an original aerodesign 520 maintenance manual on
e bay that's gonna go for 5 bucks if someone doesn't grab it.
Don
I am on it. I am trying to have a complete collection of all models for the
group. I missed out on Doc's 685 stuff:-( jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/02/04 14:34:09 Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Sounds like an interesting paint job. What color was the bottom half?
White.
And you're right, I transposed the tail number. It is, indeed, N500FV. And
Bonsall, California makes sense because there was the name of a stable on the
tail and Bonsall is one of the great horse breeding/training locations.
Allen Paulson, former owner of Gulfstream (and thus former owner of the the
Commander type certificate) owns stables in Bonsall.
Small world. (But I'd hate to have to paint it)
Aside from commenting on a particularly stunning Twin Commander, I wanted to
offer up the trivia to some of the new members that when the 500-B was
introduced, the dealers where having trouble selling off the remaining 500-As,
so the
factory pulled them back in and converted them to Bs. It was a windfall for
the dealers because they paid for 500As and got to sell them for the higher
priced 500B, if I remember the legend correctly.
Sir Barry, how many were factory converted under that program? We discussed
this years ago and I can't remember.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/2/2004 9:32:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
Some never even left the factor. The dealers would buy a 500A, and then send
it right back around to the back door to became a "B" before they even flew
it.... jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I'm probably confusing this with some other important Commander statistic,
but I seem to (mis)remember the A-to-B conversions at 8 airplanes or so.
Sir Barry, am I close?
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2004 9:32:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> Some never even left the factor. The dealers would buy a 500A, and then
send
> it right back around to the back door to became a "B" before they even
flew
> it.... jb
>
>
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| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
Capt Jim Bob,
For us youngsters who don't remember, what;\'s the real difference between a
500A and 500B other than Continental 300hp vs. Lycoming 295hp?
Bill in TN
N69PT (500B)
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Bill,
The IO-470Ms in a 500A are only 265hp, I would love to have the extra, but
need to do the IO-520 for that.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 19:26 3/02/2004, you wrote:
>
>Capt Jim Bob,
>
>For us youngsters who don't remember, what;\'s the real difference between a
>500A and 500B other than Continental 300hp vs. Lycoming 295hp?
>
>Bill in TN
>N69PT (500B)
>
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JB
Had no idea that you were putting together a complete collection of
maintenance manuals. I have one for a 720 Alticruser (semi rare?) you can have
if you
don't already have it.
Moe
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I think it is 260hp, not 265) and 2 bade props. At least that is what mine
is.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV
>
> Bill,
> The IO-470Ms in a 500A are only 265hp, I would love to have the extra, but
> need to do the IO-520 for that.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 19:26 3/02/2004, you wrote:
> >
> >Capt Jim Bob,
> >
> >For us youngsters who don't remember, what;\'s the real difference
between a
> >500A and 500B other than Continental 300hp vs. Lycoming 295hp?
> >
> >Bill in TN
> >N69PT (500B)
> >
> >
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
The 500A had IO-470 with 260hp. The are great engines but had two blade
props and did look as saucy. The lycomings were always more sought after,
deserved or not. Most 500A were converted to 300hp and there blades but there
are
still a few totally originals 500As around. The airframes were identical. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander 500A vs. 500B |
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Hi All,
In response to the request from 'Wng Commander' Gordon (Hi Keith!), out of a
total of 99 Models 500A built, 21 were converted to Model 500B and a further 31
were modified to Colemill "Super 300".
Of these, I think 20 of the 21 converted were accomplished by the Service Center
at Bethany, under Commander Engineering Report No. G10-134, the earliest
signed-off as done on October 13th 1962 and the final one on November 9th 1966.
The other one was effected under an STC (SA459EA), by Southern Ohio Aviation
Co., at West Carrollton, Ohio, on December 13th 1966.
Most of the Colemill modifications were effected between April 1966 and October
1979, with a solitary one accomplished in June 1995. The modification included
an increase in MTOW from 6,000lb to 6530lb. Service Change No. 50 gave an MTOW
of 6200lb on a stock 500A. The Colemill STCs were Nos. SA340SO and SA366SO.
The ex-factory 500A had 2 x Continental IO-470-M of 260hp each, with 2-blade
Hartzell HC-A2XF-2B / 8433 props (80" diameter).
The Colemill "Super 300" had 2 x Continental IO-520-E of 300hp each, with
3-blade Hartzell EHC-A3VF-2B / 7636D props (76.625" diameter).
The ex-factory 500B had 2 x Lycoming IO-540-B1A5 (later -B1C5 & -E1A5) of 290hp
each, with 3-blade Hartzell HC-A3XK-2 series or HC-A3VK-2 series props., and the
MTOW is 6750lb.
Over the years, other props have been installed.
I think that's answered the questions. If I've omitted anything.........please
shout!
Kindest Regards,
Barry C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
"Saucity" is in the eye of the beholder. Once the engine is started, one
has to be very good at math to tell 2 from 3 blades. My flat nacelles look
"saucy" ALL the time.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV
>
> The 500A had IO-470 with 260hp. The are great engines but had two blade
> props and did look as saucy. The lycomings were always more sought after,
> deserved or not. Most 500A were converted to 300hp and there blades but
there are
> still a few totally originals 500As around. The airframes were identical.
jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
I could have sworn that I could hear the difference. But you did infer that
one cannot 'see' whether it's two or three, no? If that's so, you are right.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV
>
> "Saucity" is in the eye of the beholder. Once the engine is started, one
> has to be very good at math to tell 2 from 3 blades. My flat nacelles
look
> "saucy" ALL the time.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: N500FV
>
>
> >
> > The 500A had IO-470 with 260hp. The are great engines but had two blade
> > props and did look as saucy. The lycomings were always more sought
after,
> > deserved or not. Most 500A were converted to 300hp and there blades but
> there are
> > still a few totally originals 500As around. The airframes were
identical.
> jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 500A vs. 500B |
Which conversion involved the four blade propeller?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 500A vs. 500B
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
>
> In response to the request from 'Wng Commander' Gordon (Hi Keith!), out of
a
> total of 99 Models 500A built, 21 were converted to Model 500B and a
further 31
> were modified to Colemill "Super 300".
>
> Of these, I think 20 of the 21 converted were accomplished by the Service
Center
> at Bethany, under Commander Engineering Report No. G10-134, the earliest
> signed-off as done on October 13th 1962 and the final one on November 9th
1966.
> The other one was effected under an STC (SA459EA), by Southern Ohio
Aviation
> Co., at West Carrollton, Ohio, on December 13th 1966.
>
> Most of the Colemill modifications were effected between April 1966 and
October
> 1979, with a solitary one accomplished in June 1995. The modification
included
> an increase in MTOW from 6,000lb to 6530lb. Service Change No. 50 gave an
MTOW
> of 6200lb on a stock 500A. The Colemill STCs were Nos. SA340SO and
SA366SO.
>
> The ex-factory 500A had 2 x Continental IO-470-M of 260hp each, with
2-blade
> Hartzell HC-A2XF-2B / 8433 props (80" diameter).
>
> The Colemill "Super 300" had 2 x Continental IO-520-E of 300hp each, with
> 3-blade Hartzell EHC-A3VF-2B / 7636D props (76.625" diameter).
>
> The ex-factory 500B had 2 x Lycoming IO-540-B1A5 (later -B1C5 & -E1A5) of
290hp
> each, with 3-blade Hartzell HC-A3XK-2 series or HC-A3VK-2 series props.,
and the
> MTOW is 6750lb.
>
> Over the years, other props have been installed.
>
> I think that's answered the questions. If I've omitted
anything.........please
> shout!
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Barry C.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/03/04 16:28:18 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Which conversion involved the four blade propeller?
The only 4 blade propellor on a piston Commander so far is the Merlyn
Conversion of the AC-500B.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 4 Blade Props, redux |
Tom,
Just to clarify, here's the STC data on the Merlyn Conversion. It's
available for the 500-U and S models as well, although to my knowledge (which is
not
what it used to be) only Bs have been converted.
The first 4 bladed one was owned by Jerry Rogers of Modesto, California
(since sold) who pioneered the 4 blade Hartzell for his mod around 1994 or 5.
STC Number:
SA00169SE
This certificate issued to:
Merlyn Products, Inc
STC Holder's Address:
West 7500 Park Drive
Spokane WA 99204-5726
United States
Description of the Type Design Change:
Install Lycoming IO-540-M1C5 engine and Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468()-6R
propeller.
Application Date:
Status:
Amended, 06/02/2000
Responsible Office:
ANM-100S Seattle Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (425) 917-6400
TC Number -- Make -- Model:
6A1 -- Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation -- 500-B
6A1 -- Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation -- 500-U
6A1 -- Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation -- 500-S
Merlyn Products has a website, but it's not loading up for me.
www.merlynproducts.com
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 Blade Props, redux |
CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> Just to clarify, here's the STC data on the Merlyn Conversion.
>
> Description of the Type Design Change:
> Install Lycoming IO-540-M1C5 engine and Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468()-6R
> propeller.
I can't get to the web site either Keith and it's been a long time since
I last looked at it. I _think_ the IO-540-M1C5 is simply a change to
the "wide deck" engine (more modern design which you can still get parts
for - esp cranks). From the same vintage memory bank, I think the
4-blade prop goes with Merlyns TIO-540-J2BD 350hp package (who knows why
I remember engine specifics...).
Since we're talking engines, I have a question. I'm not certain I've
ever looked under the hood of a Colemill converted 500A. Is that an
upstack engine or does the exhaust wrap around back? If it's the
latter, it would make me believe that a downstack Lycoming (like an
IO-540-K series) could be put in. Personal experience and testing shows
that a 300hp Lyc is a measurably stronger engine than a 300hp
Continental and they tend to run 2000 trouble-free hours (no religious
wars please - just something repeatably tested that I'm reporting).
Seems like a very attractive mod to me.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/3/2004 1:45:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
saucy" ALL the time.
AMEN!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re:Colemill Conversion |
In a message dated 02/03/04 17:57:04 Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net
writes:
Is that an
upstack engine or does the exhaust wrap around back?
The Colemill conversion retains the upstack exhaust system; it was a great
upgrade because everything stayed the same, airframe-wise.
Just more power/performance/pay load. That's what upgrades are all about.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 Blade Props, redux |
Were many done? and what are the remarks (pros & cons) regarding the Merlyn
conversion?
I hope you are cutting and pasting this data.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 4 Blade Props, redux
>
> Tom,
>
> Just to clarify, here's the STC data on the Merlyn Conversion. It's
> available for the 500-U and S models as well, although to my knowledge
(which is not
> what it used to be) only Bs have been converted.
>
> The first 4 bladed one was owned by Jerry Rogers of Modesto, California
> (since sold) who pioneered the 4 blade Hartzell for his mod around 1994 or
5.
>
> STC Number:
> SA00169SE
>
> This certificate issued to:
> Merlyn Products, Inc
>
> STC Holder's Address:
> West 7500 Park Drive
> Spokane WA 99204-5726
> United States
>
> Description of the Type Design Change:
> Install Lycoming IO-540-M1C5 engine and Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468()-6R
> propeller.
>
> Application Date:
>
>
> Status:
> Amended, 06/02/2000
>
> Responsible Office:
> ANM-100S Seattle Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (425) 917-6400
> TC Number -- Make -- Model:
> 6A1 -- Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation -- 500-B
> 6A1 -- Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation -- 500-U
> 6A1 -- Twin Commander Aircraft Corporation -- 500-S
>
>
> Merlyn Products has a website, but it's not loading up for me.
>
> www.merlynproducts.com
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have discovered
a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in flight
due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess I will have
to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than sorry.
A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or can be
parted from another airplane, please let me know.
By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the inside flapper
kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump.
Thanks,
Randy Dettmer
680F / N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
Guess all I've seen are the Colemill 300HP IO-520's. Didn't know about the
IO-470's. Thanks.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
I Just got a Field Approval on a 560 for clevelands on
02/03/04
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "bruce campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
>
> We're all here. Just quiet....
>
>
> Still, maybe someone should talk.
>
> So, anyone know a DER who can get cleveland brakes for a 520 and 560
> approved?
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
>
>
> >
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> > dan farmer
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
I Have a new one for 275.00
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
> Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have
discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in
flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess
I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than
sorry.
>
> A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or
can be parted from another airplane, please let me know.
>
> By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the
inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
Harry, it better not be the one off my
airplane...............................ha, ha
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
avtec2(at)bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
I Have a new one for 275.00
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
> Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have
discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in
flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess
I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than
sorry.
>
> A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or
can be parted from another airplane, please let me know.
>
> By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the
inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
How you know!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
> Harry, it better not be the one off my
> airplane...............................ha, ha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> avtec2(at)bellsouth.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
>
> I Have a new one for 275.00
> Harry
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: "Commander Chat"
> Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
>
>
> >
> > Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I
have
> discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose
in
> flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I
guess
> I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe
than
> sorry.
> >
> > A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or
> can be parted from another airplane, please let me know.
> >
> > By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the
> inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F / N6253X
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
Gents,
My 680F(p) has small chains which attach to the cap and inside the filler
area to keep the cap from being lost. Was this stock equipment or an add on? They
seem to work quite well, as one of my caps was not tightened properly (while
I stood on the ground and watched), and the only problem was paint scratches
as the cap beat the wing for the next two hours.
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
I've heard different opinions about the use of the chain, and the resulting
damage done to the wing while the cap flaps around in the wind stream.
Interesting to hear that you only experienced some scratches,and no dents or
dings.
Thanks
Randy D.
----- Original Message -----
From: <MOEMILLS(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
> Gents,
>
> My 680F(p) has small chains which attach to the cap and inside the filler
> area to keep the cap from being lost. Was this stock equipment or an add
on? They
> seem to work quite well, as one of my caps was not tightened properly
(while
> I stood on the ground and watched), and the only problem was paint
scratches
> as the cap beat the wing for the next two hours.
>
> Moe
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Robert Bullock <rcbullock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/03/04 |
Isn't there a way to put a short chain on the cap? I have them on my Cessna (I
can only afford one engine and simple systems). That way they can't get away from
you. The chain goes inside the filler neck when you're done.
> Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have discovered
> a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in flight
> due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess I will have
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net> |
Hi All,
I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew
in?
Was it an E or something else?
Thanks,
Fran
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
Better save than broke.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Dang...lost another fuel cap.
>
> Anybody have a spare fuel cap for a 680F..?? For the second time, I have
discovered a missing fuel cap (right outboard tank)...probably came loose in
flight due to improper installation by a fuel line person. So, now I guess
I will have to climb up and check all caps after fueling...better safe than
sorry.
>
> A new cap runs over $500.00. If anybody has one sitting on a shelf, or
can be parted from another airplane, please let me know.
>
> By the way, the plane sat through a whole night of heavy rain, and the
inside flapper kept all water out of the tank...not a drop in the sump.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Fran,
Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models.
The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was L-26C (later
U-4B).
However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a Model 560
(L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to Lee Monpas, in
Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder if it's still
active?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Commander-List: 560E?
|
| Hi All,
| I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew
| in?
| Was it an E or something else?
|
| Thanks,
| Fran
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and have
NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no
hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there...
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Fran,
>
> Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models.
>
> The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was L-26C
(later
> U-4B).
>
> However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a Model
560
> (L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to Lee
Monpas, in
> Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder if it's still
> active?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 560E?
>
>
> |
> | Hi All,
> | I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew
> | in?
> | Was it an E or something else?
> |
> | Thanks,
> | Fran
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
MAILER-TRACE: 0
| I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and have
| NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no
| hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there...|
Well, that's a leading question John.
Perhaps when you guys are out and about, you could keep an eye open for N2724B.
Add it to the bottom of your Landing Check List.
Thanks!
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
|
| I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and have
| NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no
| hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there...
|
| /John
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi Fran,
| >
| > Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models.
| >
| > The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was L-26C
| > (later U-4B).
| >
| > However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a Model
| > 560 (L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to Lee
| > Monpas, in Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder if
it's still
| > active?
| >
| > Best Regards,
| >
| > Barry
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net>
| > To:
| > Subject: Commander-List: 560E?
| >
| >
| > |
| > | Hi All,
| > | I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike flew
| > | in?
| > | Was it an E or something else?
| > |
| > | Thanks,
| > | Fran|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | swperk(at)earthlink.net |
Hello all,
Has anyone been in touch with Morris in the last several days? Ive been trying
to reach him, but his cell phone appears to have been disconnected and all I get
is his answering machine at his work number. I hope everythings okay
Thanks,
Stan
N548GQ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Dang...lost another fuel cap. |
Gents,
My 680F(p) has small chains which attach to the cap and inside the filler
area to keep the cap from being lost. Was this stock equipment or an add
on?
Commanderland;
My 560E also has short chains on the fuel and hydraulic caps, not sure
if
that was standard or not. Since most places I fly do not particularly want
to do the fueling, I usually do the re-fueling myself, so far have never
had a problem, which is GOOD!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I'll definitely keep an eye out!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> | I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and
have
> | NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no
> | hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there...|
>
> Well, that's a leading question John.
>
> Perhaps when you guys are out and about, you could keep an eye open for
N2724B.
> Add it to the bottom of your Landing Check List.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barry C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
>
>
> |
> | I wonder where Lee Monpas' airplane is? I frequently fly to Novato, and
have
> | NEVER seen a round-nacelled Commander there. In addition, there are no
> | hangars large enough to fit an Aero Commander there...
> |
> | /John
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
> |
> |
> | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | >
> | > Hi Fran,
> | >
> | > Ike flew in USAF 560A and 680 Models.
> | >
> | > The 560A had USAF designation L-26B (later U-4A), while the 680 was
L-26C
> | > (later U-4B).
> | >
> | > However, before the Commanders were delivered they did lease him a
Model
> | > 560 (L-26A). This was s/n 274, N2724B and is currently registered to
Lee
> | > Monpas, in Novato, CA. He has owned it since January 1989, so I wonder
if
> it's still
> | > active?
> | >
> | > Best Regards,
> | >
> | > Barry
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Fran Myers" <myersf(at)comcast.net>
> | > To:
> | > Subject: Commander-List: 560E?
> | >
> | >
> | > |
> | > | Hi All,
> | > | I know this is a debate, but what version commander was it that Ike
flew
> | > | in?
> | > | Was it an E or something else?
> | > |
> | > | Thanks,
> | > | Fran|
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Where's Yoda? |
Hmm, I don't know what's up. I talked with him last Saturday and everything
seemed fine. I certainly hope he's OK. I think I have his home number
somewhere. I'll try to track him down.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Where's Yoda?
>
> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone been in touch with Morris in the last several days? Ive been
trying to reach him, but his cell phone appears to have been disconnected
and all I get is his answering machine at his work number. I hope
everythings okay
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
> N548GQ
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Where's Yoda? |
Stan,
I spoke to Morris earlier in the week and he seems to be just fine. It did
take him a couple of days to get back to me after I left a message on his shop
phone.
Have patience!
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 4 Blade Props, redux |
In a message dated 02/03/04 21:18:46 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Were many done? and what are the remarks (pros & cons) regarding the Merlyn
conversion?
Zone Commander,
Regretfully, I have no first hand experience with the Merlyn Conversions.
That's -- and the Orenda Commander -- are the two mods I've always wanted to fly
and never got the chance. (I did sit in each, so I can boast that, at least.)
I have to bow to Sir Barry for numbers (good thing you don't have a full time
job or anything else to do with your life, Sir Barry) of Merlyn Conversions,
but I think it's only a handful.
I know one was done with normally aspirated engines. I know Jerry Rodger's
former airplane and it is the most extraordinary 500B in the world. I know of
one done for someone who was in Southern California and the rumor mill says
he wasn't happy with it. One was sent to South America where it's used for
high altitude photography.
You'd love the former Jerry Rogers airplane (last heard it was in Colorado
and was for sale) for your SAR work because it has 223 gallons of fuel, TKS
leading edges, a custom built Nomex O2 tank for prolonged high altitude flight,
the 4-sabre blade Hartzells and avionics up the gazank. All priced
accordingly, of course. But it's an airplane you could sprint to a SAR area in
and then
loiter for longer than you can stand.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/04/04 07:20:07 Pacific Standard Time, rcbullock(at)cox.net
writes:
)...probably came loose in flight due to improper installation by a fuel line
person.
Maybe not! I've had 3 caps come off or fail in my career. One in a Cessna
310 and one in a Commander 680FLP and one in a 690A.
The CE-310 had the Gabb-type cap with the tab that pulls up (for removal) and
twists 1/8 to remove. There is a cotter pin that holds the whole
compression assembly together on the shaft. That cotter pin rotted off and the
cap came
off in flight. Luckily, it was a short reposition hop and I got to watch
the cap beat the tip tank for 5 minutes before I was able to land. But,
because of the attach chain, the cap was in hand and repaired quickly.
The Commander cap has a spiral tip on the end of the shaft that hooks into
the little bar across the top of the flapper valve. Again, corrosion or
fatigue caused part of the spiral "bite" to crack off and the cap came off and
one
the guy replacing the cap couldn't get it to stay closed, and alerted me and
knowing what to look for, I found the broken tip.
Lessons learned: always check up on the Nozzle Jockeys (ooops! I mean Line
Service Professionals) and have fuel caps included in your scheduled
maintenance.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 4 Blade Props, redux |
I agree an ideal aircraft if we could only add six feet and four seats to it
hence my search for a 680FLP (Mr.RPM).
Thanks for the "rumors" on the conversion very interesting.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 4 Blade Props, redux
>
> In a message dated 02/03/04 21:18:46 Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Were many done? and what are the remarks (pros & cons) regarding the
Merlyn
> conversion?
> Zone Commander,
>
> Regretfully, I have no first hand experience with the Merlyn Conversions.
> That's -- and the Orenda Commander -- are the two mods I've always wanted
to fly
> and never got the chance. (I did sit in each, so I can boast that, at
least.)
>
> I have to bow to Sir Barry for numbers (good thing you don't have a full
time
> job or anything else to do with your life, Sir Barry) of Merlyn
Conversions,
> but I think it's only a handful.
>
> I know one was done with normally aspirated engines. I know Jerry
Rodger's
> former airplane and it is the most extraordinary 500B in the world. I
know of
> one done for someone who was in Southern California and the rumor mill
says
> he wasn't happy with it. One was sent to South America where it's used
for
> high altitude photography.
>
> You'd love the former Jerry Rogers airplane (last heard it was in Colorado
> and was for sale) for your SAR work because it has 223 gallons of fuel,
TKS
> leading edges, a custom built Nomex O2 tank for prolonged high altitude
flight,
> the 4-sabre blade Hartzells and avionics up the gazank. All priced
> accordingly, of course. But it's an airplane you could sprint to a SAR
area in and then
> loiter for longer than you can stand.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | Merlyn Conversions |
Just a datapoint on the Merlyn conversions. There are two new STC'd
conversions from Merlyn for the 500 B/U/S series:
320 HP - Uses a TIO-540-AE2A converted to up exhaust. 320 HP @ 42" @ 2500
RPM. Must have the compact hub prop. 450lb GW increase included (7200lb GW)
290 HP - Uses the stock IO-540-E1A/B5 and same turbo setup as the 320, but
max MP is 31" (normalized). Since much of the hardware on the 290 is the
same as the 320, you can convert to the 320 later but you have to get your
hands on (2) TIO-540-AE2As.
I've put 85 hours on the 320 HP conversion and I am really, really happy. It
makes the 500B into a different airplane, even compared to the RayJay setup
that I had before. Tons of climb, impossible to overload, and a more speed.
Not cheap but maybe worth it if you're going to keep the plane a while.
Scott
N222LE
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 4 Blade Props, redux |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
I've found only three (2 x 500S and 1 x 500B) with the Lycoming TIO-540-J2B
engines.
500B-1155-84 and 500S-3155 have 4-blade props., while the other Shrike, s/n
3255, has the 3-blade props.
However, three further Shrikes, s/ns 3095 & 3162, had the Lycoming IO-720-B1B
engines.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 4 Blade Props, redux
|
| In a message dated 02/03/04 21:18:46 Pacific Standard Time,
| tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
| Were many done? and what are the remarks (pros & cons) regarding the Merlyn
| conversion?
| Zone Commander,
|
| Regretfully, I have no first hand experience with the Merlyn Conversions.
| That's -- and the Orenda Commander -- are the two mods I've always wanted to
fly
| and never got the chance. (I did sit in each, so I can boast that, at least.)
|
| I have to bow to Sir Barry for numbers (good thing you don't have a full time
| job or anything else to do with your life, Sir Barry) of Merlyn Conversions,
| but I think it's only a handful.
|
| I know one was done with normally aspirated engines. I know Jerry Rodger's
| former airplane and it is the most extraordinary 500B in the world. I know
of
| one done for someone who was in Southern California and the rumor mill says
| he wasn't happy with it. One was sent to South America where it's used for
| high altitude photography.
|
| You'd love the former Jerry Rogers airplane (last heard it was in Colorado
| and was for sale) for your SAR work because it has 223 gallons of fuel, TKS
| leading edges, a custom built Nomex O2 tank for prolonged high altitude
flight,
| the 4-sabre blade Hartzells and avionics up the gazank. All priced
| accordingly, of course. But it's an airplane you could sprint to a SAR area
in and then
| loiter for longer than you can stand.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Merlyn Conversions |
In a message dated 02/05/04 10:53:24 Pacific Standard Time,
jdickey(at)radictech.com writes:
I've put 85 hours on the 320 HP conversion and I am really, really happy. It
makes the 500B into a different airplane, even compared to the RayJay setup
that I had before. Tons of climb, impossible to overload, and a more speed.
Not cheap but maybe worth it if you're going to keep the plane a while.
Scott,
Thanks for the input on the new Merlyn STC.
Question: Is there a change to the Flight Manual for V-speeds with your
conversion?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Merlyn Conversions |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi Scott,
So, s/n 1525-187 has a Merlyn modification too. I didn't notice a Form 337
covering this when I last checked the FAA records.
So, I'm adding a line to the history of your 500B to reflect the installation of
Lycoming TIO-540-AE2A engines.
Can you please let me know the exact prop used too?
And, lastly, can you let me know the STC number?
Thanks!
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Merlyn Conversions
|
| Just a datapoint on the Merlyn conversions. There are two new STC'd
| conversions from Merlyn for the 500 B/U/S series:
|
|
| 320 HP - Uses a TIO-540-AE2A converted to up exhaust. 320 HP @ 42" @ 2500
| RPM. Must have the compact hub prop. 450lb GW increase included (7200lb GW)
|
|
| 290 HP - Uses the stock IO-540-E1A/B5 and same turbo setup as the 320, but
| max MP is 31" (normalized). Since much of the hardware on the 290 is the
| same as the 320, you can convert to the 320 later but you have to get your
| hands on (2) TIO-540-AE2As.
|
|
| I've put 85 hours on the 320 HP conversion and I am really, really happy. It
| makes the 500B into a different airplane, even compared to the RayJay setup
| that I had before. Tons of climb, impossible to overload, and a more speed.
| Not cheap but maybe worth it if you're going to keep the plane a while.
|
|
| Scott
|
| N222LE
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
Barry,
I spotted a nice Commander at KVNY 222LE
I spotted 507JP and 620IX or 602IX at FXE.
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Thanks Kevin,
N222LE is Scott Dickey's 500B, s/n 1525-187.
N507JP is a Shrike, s/n 3262.
N6201X is a 500B, s/n 1029-40, with an owner registered in New York.
N6021X has never been on a Commander.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <ProgSearch(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E?
|
| Barry,
|
| I spotted a nice Commander at KVNY 222LE
|
| I spotted 507JP and 620IX or 602IX at FXE.
|
| Kevin Coons
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Maria Romero-Stokes" <Marel66(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Wanted 520 or 560A |
To all,
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated...I am looking for a decent condition
520 or 560A, I am planning to spend 40-75K depending on model and type..Let
me know if anyone has any leads....
Thanks,
Dave
3024376467
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: merlyn conversions |
Hi Everyone,
Here are some answers to the last two posts about the Merlyn conversion:
Barry - 1525-187 is my plane, N222LE.
STC SA01212SE - Merlyn Shrike 320 conversion and 7200 lb GW increase. In
order to be eligible for this installation, the engines must have been
modified under STC SE01211SE, conversion to TIO-540-AE2A(MC). This basically
adds the turbo, exhaust system, and up exhaust cylinders. Also, the
conversion requires Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468()-6R props (compact hub).
This conversion basically takes the Malibu engines and lots of accessories
such as the alternator, oil cooler, remote oil filter, pressurized mags,
etc. and utilizes them in the Commander. There are lots of small advantages
like the remote oil filter (oil change 20 minutes) and a vernatherm
mounted in the cooler, not in the impossible to access oil filter adapter on
the back of the engine. No engine mount changes are necessary and it also
includes two Weldon nacelle mounted fuel pumps in lieu of the sump mounted
ones. The nice part is the Malibu engines are very well supported so parts
like mags, vacuum pumps, etc are readily available. The turbo system itself
is very simple and it's designed for low maintenance. The wastegate is
manually actuated but it is slaved off the throttle linkage. The first 75%
of throttle travel doesn't move the wastegate but after that the wastegate
starts closing. There is no wastegate controller to break and there is a
massive pressure relief valve in the induction line so overboosting is
basically impossible. The turbo is mounted up high so there is no need for
an oil check valve or scavenger pump. The oil drains freely back into the
case. It also comes with a really cool electronic tach made by Hickok
(analog face, but electronic everything else). It runs off a Hall effect
sensor on the mag so there is no tach generator to worry about and so far it
is super accurate.
The turbo operated best below about 21,000 feet although it will make 42" @
2500 RPM up to around 21,000 or 22,000. At that altitude and at full power,
however, the wastegate is fully closed and I'm told the servo inlet temps
start to rise. Pull the power back to 35"/2400 (climb setting) and the servo
inlet temps come back down. I cruise at 28" and 2200 which is about 65% and
it will maintain that well past 21,000 which is the highest I've flown it so
far. 65% at 21,000 yields about 195 KTAS in my plane. Down at 12,000 -
14,000 the same power yields about 180 KTAS. Fuel burn at 65% is about 17
GPH/side at 100 degrees ROP. I'm going to start experimenting with LOP but I
was waiting for the engines to fully break in. Cooling is good, with all my
CHTs under 410F @ 65% @ 21,000. CHTs are lower at lower altitudes.
Note: The 320 conversion is technically rated to 300 HP continuous (38") and
320 HP (42") intermittent. I think the reason for this had something to do
with not having to do as much flight testing for a 300 HP continuous rating.
This is probably why the FAA didn't require a time limit on the 320 HP, just
saying "intermittent" was enough.
V speeds are a little different due to the heavier GW and higher power.
Vso 62 KCAS
Vs 67 KCAS
Vmc 69 KCAS
Vyse 104 KCAS
Vy 110 KCAS
As I mentioned before, there is also a STC to turbonormalize the
IO-540-E1A/B5 (290 HP). I believe the same STC allows turbonormalizing of
the IO-540-M1C5 to 300 HP if you have that engine. The latter also requires
the compact hub props so if you have neither the M1C5 engine nor the compact
hub props, it is an expensive way to add 10 HP/side which is why no one has
done it so far.
Hope this helps.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: merlyn conversions |
MAILER-TRACE: 0
Hi Scott,
Terrific info, so sincere thanks!
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: merlyn conversions
|
| Hi Everyone,
|
|
| Here are some answers to the last two posts about the Merlyn conversion:
|
|
| Barry - 1525-187 is my plane, N222LE.
|
|
| STC SA01212SE - Merlyn Shrike 320 conversion and 7200 lb GW increase. In
| order to be eligible for this installation, the engines must have been
| modified under STC SE01211SE, conversion to TIO-540-AE2A(MC). This basically
| adds the turbo, exhaust system, and up exhaust cylinders. Also, the
| conversion requires Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468()-6R props (compact hub).
|
|
| This conversion basically takes the Malibu engines and lots of accessories
| such as the alternator, oil cooler, remote oil filter, pressurized mags,
| etc. and utilizes them in the Commander. There are lots of small advantages
| like the remote oil filter (oil change 20 minutes) and a vernatherm
| mounted in the cooler, not in the impossible to access oil filter adapter on
| the back of the engine. No engine mount changes are necessary and it also
| includes two Weldon nacelle mounted fuel pumps in lieu of the sump mounted
| ones. The nice part is the Malibu engines are very well supported so parts
| like mags, vacuum pumps, etc are readily available. The turbo system itself
| is very simple and it's designed for low maintenance. The wastegate is
| manually actuated but it is slaved off the throttle linkage. The first 75%
| of throttle travel doesn't move the wastegate but after that the wastegate
| starts closing. There is no wastegate controller to break and there is a
| massive pressure relief valve in the induction line so overboosting is
| basically impossible. The turbo is mounted up high so there is no need for
| an oil check valve or scavenger pump. The oil drains freely back into the
| case. It also comes with a really cool electronic tach made by Hickok
| (analog face, but electronic everything else). It runs off a Hall effect
| sensor on the mag so there is no tach generator to worry about and so far it
| is super accurate.
|
|
| The turbo operated best below about 21,000 feet although it will make 42" @
| 2500 RPM up to around 21,000 or 22,000. At that altitude and at full power,
| however, the wastegate is fully closed and I'm told the servo inlet temps
| start to rise. Pull the power back to 35"/2400 (climb setting) and the servo
| inlet temps come back down. I cruise at 28" and 2200 which is about 65% and
| it will maintain that well past 21,000 which is the highest I've flown it so
| far. 65% at 21,000 yields about 195 KTAS in my plane. Down at 12,000 -
| 14,000 the same power yields about 180 KTAS. Fuel burn at 65% is about 17
| GPH/side at 100 degrees ROP. I'm going to start experimenting with LOP but I
| was waiting for the engines to fully break in. Cooling is good, with all my
| CHTs under 410F @ 65% @ 21,000. CHTs are lower at lower altitudes.
|
|
| Note: The 320 conversion is technically rated to 300 HP continuous (38") and
| 320 HP (42") intermittent. I think the reason for this had something to do
| with not having to do as much flight testing for a 300 HP continuous rating.
| This is probably why the FAA didn't require a time limit on the 320 HP, just
| saying "intermittent" was enough.
|
|
| V speeds are a little different due to the heavier GW and higher power.
|
|
| Vso 62 KCAS
|
| Vs 67 KCAS
|
| Vmc 69 KCAS
|
| Vyse 104 KCAS
|
| Vy 110 KCAS
|
|
| As I mentioned before, there is also a STC to turbonormalize the
| IO-540-E1A/B5 (290 HP). I believe the same STC allows turbonormalizing of
| the IO-540-M1C5 to 300 HP if you have that engine. The latter also requires
| the compact hub props so if you have neither the M1C5 engine nor the compact
| hub props, it is an expensive way to add 10 HP/side which is why no one has
| done it so far.
|
|
| Hope this helps.
|
|
| Scott
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wanted 520 or 560A |
I have a 1952 520 commander Serial number 39. Nice interior could use paint
but still servicable. Coming out of a 15000 dollar annual plus lots of
refurbish work about three years ago. New fuel bladders fuel senders and
gauge. new hydraulic hoses, most of wiring in the engine bays is redone, new
engine mounts. Too much to really go through. Contact me if you want more
information.
Jody Pillatzki
(701)640-0113 cell
(701)642-3785 home
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maria Romero-Stokes" <Marel66(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Wanted 520 or 560A
>
> To all,
>
> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated...I am looking for a decent
condition 520 or 560A, I am planning to spend 40-75K depending on model and
type..Let me know if anyone has any leads....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
> 3024376467
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Maria Romero-Stokes" <Marel66(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Wanted 520 or 560A |
I am interested. Would you be able to create a speck sheet. If not let me
know what it has, the main things I need to know are engine SMOH/Year, Prop
SMOH/Year, TTAF, and Electronics....and of course where you are looking to
be on price...Please email when you can thanks again....
Dave Stokes
302-633-9100
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Wanted 520 or 560A
>
> I have a 1952 520 commander Serial number 39. Nice interior could use
paint
> but still servicable. Coming out of a 15000 dollar annual plus lots of
> refurbish work about three years ago. New fuel bladders fuel senders and
> gauge. new hydraulic hoses, most of wiring in the engine bays is redone,
new
> engine mounts. Too much to really go through. Contact me if you want more
> information.
> Jody Pillatzki
> (701)640-0113 cell
> (701)642-3785 home
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maria Romero-Stokes" <Marel66(at)comcast.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Wanted 520 or 560A
>
>
>
> >
> > To all,
> >
> > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated...I am looking for a decent
> condition 520 or 560A, I am planning to spend 40-75K depending on model
and
> type..Let me know if anyone has any leads....
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> > 3024376467
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04 |
I Got the field approval on a set of Cleveland's on a 560
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "bruce campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
>
> We're all here. Just quiet....
>
>
> Still, maybe someone should talk.
>
> So, anyone know a DER who can get cleveland brakes for a 520 and 560
> approved?
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/24/04
>
>
> >
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> > dan farmer
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/3/2004 7:14:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com writes:
Had no idea that you were putting together a complete collection of
maintenance manuals. I have one for a 720 Alticruser (semi rare?) you can
have if you
don't already have it
I would love to have it!! thanks!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Did Morris ever turn up? Re; cellphone disconected.
> [Original Message]
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Date: 2/9/2004 10:04:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 520 manual
>
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2004 7:14:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> MOEMILLS(at)aol.com writes:
> Had no idea that you were putting together a complete collection of
> maintenance manuals. I have one for a 720 Alticruser (semi rare?) you
can
> have if you
> don't already have it
> I would love to have it!! thanks!! jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/9/2004 7:30:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
Did Morris ever turn up? Re; cellphone disconected.
He called last week while I was out of town. I will call him at home
tonight. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I just got back from a long delivery. It started about two weeks ago
in Tennessee. I picked up a 680 N3341 (has my props) and was to deliver it
to Edmonton Canada (on a ferry permit). We made it as far as Winnipeg and were
stopped by weather (36below, brrrrr) After siting for three days we gave up
and home I came. Last Thusday I retured and finshed the trip the next day,
YEA!! I then flew to Boise ID and picked up a C-182 and delivered it to LA. I
got home last night. It is good to be home.
On a very sad note. Those of you who were at the flyin in Hillsboro, OR
a couple of years ago may remember meeting TC, our big old iguana. He died in
my arms about a half hour after returning from Winnipeg last week. It was
unexpected and I am still very blue over his sudden loss jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I spoke with him and everything is fine....his cellphone was evidently
cloned or something. He got a long distance bill for like $6,000 and
disputed it so they disconnected him. He'll have a new number shortly.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 520 manual
>
> In a message dated 2/9/2004 7:30:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
> Did Morris ever turn up? Re; cellphone disconected.
> He called last week while I was out of town. I will call him at home
> tonight. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Jimbob,
My condolences. I know that losing a cherished pet is really losing a member
of your family. I'm glad I had a chance to meet TC....if iguanas are like
dogs, I'm sure they ALL go to heaven.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 680
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just got back from a long delivery. It started about two weeks
ago
> in Tennessee. I picked up a 680 N3341 (has my props) and was to deliver
it
> to Edmonton Canada (on a ferry permit). We made it as far as Winnipeg and
were
> stopped by weather (36below, brrrrr) After siting for three days we gave
up
> and home I came. Last Thusday I retured and finshed the trip the next
day,
> YEA!! I then flew to Boise ID and picked up a C-182 and delivered it to
LA. I
> got home last night. It is good to be home.
> On a very sad note. Those of you who were at the flyin in Hillsboro,
OR
> a couple of years ago may remember meeting TC, our big old iguana. He
died in
> my arms about a half hour after returning from Winnipeg last week. It was
> unexpected and I am still very blue over his sudden loss jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02/09/04 19:40:33 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
He died in
my arms about a half hour after returning from Winnipeg last week. It was
unexpected and I am still very blue over his sudden loss
Cap't. JimBob,
Sorry to hear TC went West. I think that he waited for you to come home
before he took off.
You're certainly having lots of adventures -- and as someone famous who I
can't remember said, "You know you're having an adventure when in the middle of
it, you realize you'd rather be home, warm in bed."
Carry on!
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
No doubt TC is flying with my dog Bridget, my regrets.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680
>
> Jimbob,
>
> My condolences. I know that losing a cherished pet is really losing a
member
> of your family. I'm glad I had a chance to meet TC....if iguanas are like
> dogs, I'm sure they ALL go to heaven.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: 680
>
>
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > I just got back from a long delivery. It started about two
weeks
> ago
> > in Tennessee. I picked up a 680 N3341 (has my props) and was to deliver
> it
> > to Edmonton Canada (on a ferry permit). We made it as far as Winnipeg
and
> were
> > stopped by weather (36below, brrrrr) After siting for three days we
gave
> up
> > and home I came. Last Thusday I retured and finshed the trip the next
> day,
> > YEA!! I then flew to Boise ID and picked up a C-182 and delivered it to
> LA. I
> > got home last night. It is good to be home.
> > On a very sad note. Those of you who were at the flyin in
Hillsboro,
> OR
> > a couple of years ago may remember meeting TC, our big old iguana. He
> died in
> > my arms about a half hour after returning from Winnipeg last week. It
was
> > unexpected and I am still very blue over his sudden loss jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/9/2004 8:12:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
...if iguanas are like
dogs, I'm sure they ALL go to heaven.
Thanks to all for the kind words. TC was a cherished friend and can never be
replaced. He had more time in a Commander than many owners. He and I did
things together that I will never again be able to do. I know many of you have
also lost pets, Sue and I have lost dogs too. But TC was a magic iguana, I
know because we have dozzens in our rescue pogram every year (7 are here now).
He rode in the Commander in the RH rear seat on every flight. He would sit on
my leather jacket and no kidding look out the window. I can still see him in
my minds eye. It will heal but so far the loss is very acute. Thanks again
to all for you condolences jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/9/2004 8:44:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
"You know you're having an adventure when in the middle of
it, you realize you'd rather be home, warm in bed."
AMEN!! This old 680 had so, well, issues. Like no nose wheel steering, no
LH manifold press gauge, inop RH oil temp, inop RH generator (when the LH came
on line), no interior, no D.G., no nav radios, no lights, balky LH starter,
three cracked exhaust pipes, flat nose strut and 70 other squawks that I wrote
up. It had not flown in about 8 years. It did however run like a Swiss watch
and flew great!! Viva La Commander!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Jim,
Our deep condolences on the passing of TC. We are thinking of you at this
difficult time.
I can never forget that stare that he shot at me when I squeezed his space
in 222 on the way across from PDX!
Not sure if you got the great pic attached...I remember the moment well.
Cheers
Russell
On 10/2/04 1:09 PM, "YOURTCFG(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just got back from a long delivery. It started about two weeks ago
> in Tennessee. I picked up a 680 N3341 (has my props) and was to deliver it
> to Edmonton Canada (on a ferry permit). We made it as far as Winnipeg and
> were
> stopped by weather (36below, brrrrr) After siting for three days we gave up
> and home I came. Last Thusday I retured and finshed the trip the next day,
> YEA!! I then flew to Boise ID and picked up a C-182 and delivered it to LA.
> I
> got home last night. It is good to be home.
> On a very sad note. Those of you who were at the flyin in Hillsboro, OR
> a couple of years ago may remember meeting TC, our big old iguana. He died in
> my arms about a half hour after returning from Winnipeg last week. It was
> unexpected and I am still very blue over his sudden loss jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
JB
Will get it off as soon as my assistant gets back (hopefully next Monday)
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
I talked to Morris at 7:15 AM on his business phone 510.783.3028, and he
advised that he also had a phone in his Stockton hanger 209.982.9203.
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <mtpilot47(at)yahoo.com> |
TC Gang,
I have been off line for most of January.
I have left Wind Dancer and now am back in Kansas.
Note new email address and new phone 913-422-8874.
Looking for the next adventure.
Sorry to hear about TC.
I did have an adventure delivering a Super Shrike for TN to Colorado. It was an
experience to fly behind 800 HP. Very Different sound. Took two days to get
from Colorado to TN on the airlines and only one day to come back. N611FA is
very well equipped and will be going to it's new owner soon.
Tylor Hall
---------------------------------
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Captain JimBob,
Sorry to hear about the loss of TC,
I have always enjoyed the desriptions of your favorite passenger. You will have
many cherished memories that will come to mind as you cruise along on a sunny
day at 12,000 feet.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Thanks Rusell jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Thanks so much!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi JimBob,
So sorry to hear the sad news. I was grateful to TC at Hillsboro, 'cos you left
him at Grove airport in your car and only remembered after we had flown half way
to Hillsboro. It meant I got more flying time in a Commander though!
I know time is supposedly a great healer, but one never forgets a special pet.
It just makes it easier to remember the happy times.
Hope the rest of the 'gang' are OK.
Very Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 680
|
| HI KIDS.
|
| I just got back from a long delivery. It started about two weeks ago
| in Tennessee. I picked up a 680 N3341 (has my props) and was to deliver it
| to Edmonton Canada (on a ferry permit). We made it as far as Winnipeg and
were
| stopped by weather (36below, brrrrr) After siting for three days we gave up
| and home I came. Last Thusday I retured and finshed the trip the next day,
| YEA!! I then flew to Boise ID and picked up a C-182 and delivered it to LA.
I
| got home last night. It is good to be home.
| On a very sad note. Those of you who were at the flyin in Hillsboro, OR
| a couple of years ago may remember meeting TC, our big old iguana. He died in
| my arms about a half hour after returning from Winnipeg last week. It was
| unexpected and I am still very blue over his sudden loss jb
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/10/2004 9:54:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
ope the rest of the 'gang' are OK.
Thanks Barry. I had forgotten that we left him!! thanks for that great
memory. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Need window moldings for a 681 |
Good morning!
I am starting a refurbishment of the interior of my 681, and the two
window frames (Royalite?) around the pilot's and copilot's side windows
have significant warping. The interior shop told me that they should be
replaced, but did not know where to find replacements. Does anyone have
a suitable pair of frames, or know where to find them? Are these frames
shared with other Commander models or are they unique to the 681?
Assuming that I can't find suitable replacements, is there any way to
straighten them?
Thanks in advance,
Stan
N548GQ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Stan wrote:
> is there any way to
> straighten them?
There was a good article in EAA Sport Aviation just a few issues back
about how to restore old/warped/cracked plastic trim pieces and panel
overlays. Unfortunatly, I don't have the space to keep all the
magazines I get, so can't send it. The author gave a step-by-step
process with material and chemical suggestions.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | swperk(at)earthlink.net |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info. I looked around a bit and found this:
http://www.urethanesupply.com/aircraftrepair.html
Is this the article you remember?
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need window moldings for a 681
Stan wrote:
> is there any way to
> straighten them?
There was a good article in EAA Sport Aviation just a few issues back
about how to restore old/warped/cracked plastic trim pieces and panel
overlays. Unfortunatly, I don't have the space to keep all the
magazines I get, so can't send it. The author gave a step-by-step
process with material and chemical suggestions.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
The interior window frames on my 680F(p) were in horrible shape. Repair them
with thin strips of aluminum and fiberglass, then cover them with an FAA
approved fabric (thin leather or ultra suede looks good).
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Just had a totally thrashed interior re-done in my 1975 Cessna 182. This is
an 8,000 hour airframe used in Highway Patrol.....trustme...they didn't care
about the interior.
Anyway....an interior shop was blae to save / repair all but 2 interior trim
pieces by wrapping with an aircraft approved "stretch wool". It is available
in color to match or complement most fabrics.
Any questions.....call Aircraft Interior Technologies, Kelso, Washington.
Hope this helps.
Jim Carroll
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
swperk(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> http://www.urethanesupply.com/aircraftrepair.html
>
> Is this the article you remember?
That looks like the same article Stan. The finished part looks really
good doesn't it? I'm sure you probably were not looking for a project
like that, but welcome to "classic" airplane ownership...
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Racing4funn(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
FUCK YOU!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter J Norris" <nasa(at)quicksprint.com.au> |
| Subject: | Need window moldings for a 681 |
Probably the limit of his vocabulary.....
------------------------------------
Norris Aviation Services Australia
Peter J Norris
nasa(at)quicksprint.com.au
P.O. Box 226 Caloundra
Qld. Australia. 4551.
tel: 0412 874263
mobile: +61 412874263
------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Racing4funn(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need window moldings for a 681
FUCK YOU!!!
==
==
==
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Racing4funn(at)aol.com wrote:
> FUCK YOU!!!
Isn't it delightful when a well spoken individual makes an eloquent and
persuasive counter-point during a discussion?
Let's hope someone hijacked Mr Racing4funn's email address and that this
didn't actually come from a fellow pilot!
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
"Fw: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal" (Feb 11, 4:56pm)
RV8-List(at)matronics.com, Pietenpol-List(at)matronics.com,
Kitfox-List(at)matronics.com, Tailwind-List(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | Potty-Mouth Squelched... |
Hi Ed and all,
This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole
bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got
through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time
to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe
himself.
My appologies.
Matt Dralle
List Admin.
>--------------
>Hi Matt,
>
>I don't know where the below email came from other than its the Racing4Funn
>address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we set
>for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and I'm
>sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list. I
>presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the
>appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate
>subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it.
>
>Sincerely
>
>Ed
>Ed Anderson
>RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>Matthews, NC
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Racing4funn(at)aol.com>
>To: ;
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:33 PM
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal
>
>
>> --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn(at)aol.com
>>
>> F*CK Y*U!!!
>--------------
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
In a message dated 2/11/2004 4:58:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
didn't actually come from a fellow pilot!
Amen jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
, ,
, ,
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... |
I just forwarded the messages to abuse(at)aol.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
; ;
;
Subject: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched...
> --> RV-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
>
> Hi Ed and all,
>
> This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole
> bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got
> through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time
> to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe
> himself.
>
> My appologies.
>
> Matt Dralle
> List Admin.
>
>
> >--------------
> >Hi Matt,
> >
> >I don't know where the below email came from other than its the
Racing4Funn
> >address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we
set
> >for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and
I'm
> >sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list.
I
> >presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the
> >appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate
> >subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it.
> >
> >Sincerely
> >
> >Ed
> >Ed Anderson
> >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >Matthews, NC
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <Racing4funn(at)aol.com>
> >To: ;
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:33 PM
> >Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal
> >
> >
> >> --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn(at)aol.com
> >>
> >> F*CK Y*U!!!
> >--------------
>
>
> --
>
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Hopefully he isn't a racer either.
Moe
Ross RACING Pistons
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched... |
Nice one Cy.
The sender's probably p****d off because he can only afford a Cessna or Piper
and not an AERO COMMANDER!
Barry C.
UK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
; ;
; ;
Subject: Commander-List: Re: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched...
|
| I just forwarded the messages to abuse(at)aol.com
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
| To: ; ;
| ; ;
| ;
| Subject: RV-List: Potty-Mouth Squelched...
|
|
| > --> RV-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
| >
| >
| > Hi Ed and all,
| >
| > This annoying fellow has been unsubscribed. I was able to kill a whole
| > bunch of similar posts from him, but unfortunately quite a few got
| > through before I could stop them. Funny how he could take the time
| > to send out all those offensive messages, but not the time to unsubscribe
| > himself.
| >
| > My appologies.
| >
| > Matt Dralle
| > List Admin.
| >
| >
| > >--------------
| > >Hi Matt,
| > >
| > >I don't know where the below email came from other than its the
| Racing4Funn
| > >address, but the message it conveys clearly falls below the standards we
| set
| > >for ourselves on the lists - even when parties get emotional. So I (and
| I'm
| > >sure most others agree) this is no place for folks like this on the list.
| I
| > >presume that he is a subscriber, so unsubscribing him would be the
| > >appropriate action. If it was an unauthorized use of some legitimate
| > >subscribers e mail, then he should at least be make aware of it.
| > >
| > >Sincerely
| > >
| > >Ed
| > >Ed Anderson
| > >RV-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
| > >Matthews, NC
| > >
| > >
| > >----- Original Message -----
| > >From: <Racing4funn(at)aol.com>
| > >To: ;
| > >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 7:33 PM
| > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Crossflow Engine Proposal
| > >
| > >
| > >> --> RV-List message posted by: Racing4funn(at)aol.com
| > >>
| > >> F*CK Y*U!!!
| > >--------------
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| >
| > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
| > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
| > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Gang,
Just wanted to remind everyone I have 680E going through a FWF
restoration. New motor mounts, new landing gear trusses, new lines,
hoses, wiring. Also doing a bunch of other "adds" the the aircraft to
make it nice/reliable/safer. It still needs paint, but I can guarantee that
mechanically/structurally it will be the best 680E on the market when it's
done in about 45 days. Someone is going to get a heck of an airplane
for the money...
I plan to fly it "for sale" so if anyone knows of an interested party, let me
know. Again it's times are roughly 7000TTAF, 400SMOH L/R, AD free
props, all AD's and SB's complied with and current, solid IFR panel, and
the owner is a really cool guy! :)
I'm going to take a beating on the airplane, so I'm looking for someone
who sees the value in the work that has been done and isn't gonna low
ball me, so please don't come unless you want to pay fair market value
for a good airplane.
Cheers,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Gang,
Just wanted to remind everyone I have 680E going through a FWF
restoration. New motor mounts, new landing gear trusses, new lines,
hoses, wiring. Also doing a bunch of other "adds" the the aircraft to
make it nice/reliable/safer. It still needs paint, but I can guarantee that
mechanically/structurally it will be the best 680E on the market when it's
done in about 45 days. Someone is going to get a heck of an airplane
for the money...
I plan to fly it "for sale" so if anyone knows of an interested party, let me
know. Again it's times are roughly 7000TTAF, 400SMOH L/R, AD free
props, all AD's and SB's complied with and current, solid IFR panel, and
the owner is a really cool guy! :)
I'm going to take a beating on the airplane, so I'm looking for someone
who sees the value in the work that has been done and isn't gonna low
ball me, so please don't come unless you want to pay fair market value
for a good airplane.
Cheers,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | fuel shut off valve 500 |
i need to get a fuel shut off valve o/h for a 500 commander. any recommendations
and estimated costs? thanks, al hoffman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | fuel shut off valve 500 |
Morris used to keep a pair in stock.
Phil
> [Original Message]
> From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> To:
> Date: 2/13/2004 4:50:05 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: fuel shut off valve 500
>
>
> i need to get a fuel shut off valve o/h for a 500 commander. any
recommendations and estimated costs? thanks, al hoffman
>
>
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| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | re: fuel shut off valve overhaul |
Hi,
Fuel gate valves can be overhauled by Aircraft Accessories in OK.
800-255-9924. Cost is about $450. Aircraft Accessories overhauls just about
all other valves and related components such as hydraulic pumps, de-ice
valves, etc. They do a good job and their warranty policy is excellent - no
questions asked, they just make it right ASAP.
Here is some other component overhaul repair trivia:
Power brake valves - if the bore of your power brake valve cylinder is worn
beyond limits and resealing didn't stop the leaks, you can buy a new one
from TCAC for about $4000 or Higher Planes of Conroe, TX (936-494-1717) will
use their FAA approved process to re-anodize the bore to new limits. Cost is
about $2500.
3:1 gauges - These can be done by a variety of companies, but Aero Motive
Equipment of Oklahoma City, OK has a good supply of parts and can completely
rebuild, remark, and match your 3:1 gauges. Kelley Instruments of Wichita,
KS can probably do it also. Kelley is a good source for gyros and other
stuff like a/s indicators. I had them re-mark my a/s indicator in knots and
add blue/red lines.
Question: Does anyone know where to get a windshield hotplate
repaired/overhauled?
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Stormscope v. in flight weather |
Hi Gang,
I'm trying to gather information on which is better if you can only
have one. A storm scope or in-flight weather. Seems to me that if you
have in-flight WX capability the storm scope becomes a moot point.
Besides, I would rather have the decision making ability to fly around
weather than to be emboldened to fly through it (well, that's not my
nature anyway, but you get the idea).
It seems that the advantages of in-flight weather far outweigh the
advantages of a storm scope. BUT, I know there are those on these
lists that have far more experience with both these types than I do and
would like your input on the debate!
You can email me off-list, but I think this discussion might be
beneficial to more than just myself.
And, no, it's not for my CJ... :)
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Stormscope v. in flight weather |
400CH has both a storm scope and the GDL-49 datalink weather (we replaced
the Honeywell WX Radar). The datalink is my first source of in-flight
weather (where there are heavy NEXRAD returns you won't find 400CH). Its
display on the Garmin 530 is much better than the brochures show and, if
you plan your downloads, a 250nm range NEXRAD picture doesn't take too long
to receive.
The storm scope is the secondary weather avoidance equipment. Once I plan
a course based on the current NEXRAD, I monitor the storm scope to look for
the signatures of cells that may not have precip yet that would show on the
NEXRAD. The storm scope has a great use in CAVU weather also; turbulent
air masses generate static charges that can register on the scope. If I
start seeing strikes out front that aren't associated with clouds, I know
to cinch all the buckles and start looking for smooth altitudes or course
deviations.
Instead of picking one or the other, I'd look for a datalink setup that
displays on an MFD and a SS such as the Goodrich WX-500 that will also
display on the MFD without a separate instrument on the panel. Cost may be
an issue, but the setup only has to work for you once to realize a huge
ROI! I don't suffer from advanced get-there-itis, but 400CH's datalink and
SS have already paid for themselves (actually on the third flight after the
GDL was installed). The boss was very happy he let me talk him into the
extra cost.
Hope that helps, or at least starts a good discussion!
Brock Lorber
N400CH
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I'm trying to gather information on which is better if you can only
> have one. A storm scope or in-flight weather.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | fuel pumps and tach for 500B |
Hi All,
I have a set of fuel pumps and a recently overhauled tachometer all from a
500B (converted to Merlyn). All working and I tried to sell on e bay but no
takers. Now the stuff is just taking up space and I'd like to find someone
who can use them or keep them for spares. I'll take the first offer. I have
pictures if you want and the tach has an 8130 form from Kelley Instruments
where I had it overhauled. If you want pics, send me an e mail and I'll get
them to you ASAP. I'd like to get rid of them as a set, and I'm not picky
about the price.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Ivey" <jim(at)jimivey.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Yak-List: Stormscope v. in flight weather |
Barry:
You may well explore WxWorx. It seems to me to be the most up to date
weather out there and runs $49 per month. It's based on XM Radio satellites
and even has a version that tracks your path via GPS inputs.
http://www.wxworx.com/index.html
The WxWorx unit is a small portable device designed to send data to a
display like a tablet PC or laptop. XM is what Garmin is using in it's new
1000 series MFD/PFD system being installed in new Cessnas and similar.
Added benefit is full XM programming (including weather channel).
I flew with a friend who had Controlvision's Anywhere Weather last Tuesday.
It was okay but the Globalsat satellite phone and wires everywhere were a
bit much and the Nexrad display seemed clunky. It did, however, have METARS
and awos/asos reports built in and email and updates could be accomplished
in flight. It was his first try with the unit and there were some com port
problems.
http://www.controlvision.com
I personally fly with the Controlvision Anywhere Map with Bluetooth
interface (i.e. no wires anywhere) and use an iPaq 2215 for display. I also
have XM radio (Delphi Roady) piped into my stereo intercom. Were I to add
in-flight weather today it would be WxWorx.
Jim Ivey
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Barry Hancock
> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:47 AM
> To: yak-list(at)matronics.com; commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Stormscope v. in flight weather
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I'm trying to gather information on which is better if you can only
> have one. A storm scope or in-flight weather. Seems to me
> that if you
> have in-flight WX capability the storm scope becomes a moot point.
> Besides, I would rather have the decision making ability to
> fly around
> weather than to be emboldened to fly through it (well, that's not my
> nature anyway, but you get the idea).
>
> It seems that the advantages of in-flight weather far outweigh the
> advantages of a storm scope. BUT, I know there are those on these
> lists that have far more experience with both these types
> than I do and
> would like your input on the debate!
>
> You can email me off-list, but I think this discussion might be
> beneficial to more than just myself.
>
> And, no, it's not for my CJ... :)
>
> Barry
>
>
> ============
> Matronics Forums.
> ============
> ============
> ============
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | fuel pumps and tach for 500B |
Scott,
Are these the same pumps used on the heaters?
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Dickey
Subject: Commander-List: fuel pumps and tach for 500B
Hi All,
I have a set of fuel pumps and a recently overhauled tachometer all from a
500B (converted to Merlyn). All working and I tried to sell on e bay but no
takers. Now the stuff is just taking up space and I'd like to find someone
who can use them or keep them for spares. I'll take the first offer. I have
pictures if you want and the tach has an 8130 form from Kelley Instruments
where I had it overhauled. If you want pics, send me an e mail and I'll get
them to you ASAP. I'd like to get rid of them as a set, and I'm not picky
about the price.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net> |
| Subject: | On-Board Wx Radar vs Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink |
Mr. Hancock & TCFG readers,
My Commander 685 aircraft is blessed with a current generation Bendix-King
4-Color Vertical Profile Stabilized Weather Radar, a Stormscope 500A, and
Bendix-King VDL Mode-2 Datalink Receiver providing National NextRad images,
plus Metars, Tafs, Pireps, etc. To make all the info manageable and provide
maximum awareness, all three weather "sensor" sources are displayed
(overlaying my position and course) on my Bendix-King IHAS 8000 System's
KMD-850 Multi-Function Display. As such, I hope I can add a perspective
that may be helpful in your decision-making process. Since you asked about
the first two technologies, and a few other members added info on the later,
I thought I would provide my thoughts on all three. (My experience with
weather radar is over 30 years, Stormscope 25 years, and NextRad Datalink 2
years. I hold an ATP and 10,500 hrs. PIC)
First of all, while the goal of each of the three technologies attempts to
give the pilot a pretty good idea of the weather threat confronting the
flight, in reality each technology gives the pilot only "a piece of the
puzzle, but NONE of the technologies give whole picture"! I personally
taker them (along with a good pre-flight weather briefing) as COMPLEMENTARY
sources of info, and are best when used in concert. That being said, and
recognizing that not everyone will choose to install all three technologies,
here is a brief synopsis:
1) NextRad is the ideal STRATEGIC Avoidance tool (whether airborne
datalinked into the cockpit, or looking at the computer at the FBO right
before departure). It should be used to get the "big Picture", and to plan
routing so as to avoid the WX totally, or at least choose the least
obstructed routing. Depending on whose device and service you have, you
must remember that it is aged information (usually 6 minutes) and therefore
NOT REAL-TIME! Also, it aggregates the reflectivity through the entire
vertical section (or the largest portion) of the storm, NOT necessarily the
altitude you may actually be penetrating at. In a rapidly changing
thunderstorm, this information has little value if you are up-close and
personal, and are trying to pick your way through a line with more than 30%
coverage. Again, it is a GREAT AVOIDANCE TOOL! By the way, we used to ask
Center for this "big picture" advice...but this is FAR better!
2) OnBoard Weather Radar is the most widely used TACTICAL tool used by the
Pro's, and (if operated and interpreted correctly) is the single best thing
to have if you choose pick your way through a scattered or broken line, or
if you absolutely must, even penetrate the weather. However, due to inherit
design of relatively low RF power, beam- and Pulse-width errors, attenuation
and X-Band's ability to only "see liquid phase" moisture (No, it can't see
heavy snow below, ice pellets nor hail below -5C, and CERTAINLY IT CANNOT
SEE TURBULENCE!), it definitely does have its limitations. The ONLY thing
experience with tilt and gain, intuition, and good use of your eyeballs
(yes, the ORIGINAL weather avoidance system God gave each of us!) to glean
the maximum amount if information available from an airborne radar system.
One other word of advice: Very few light twin aircraft have good quality
Radomes. Most OEM's provide a fiberglass nosecone....It AIN'T necessarily a
good Radome! In my experience, Norton / St. Gobaine makes the best Radome
for a Commander, but you can expect to pay over $10K for even a good
re-conditioned one. Specifically, look for something that has the geometry
for a 12" flat plate antenna (approx 40% more gain than a 10"), as well as
proper honeycomb construction for good RF transmissivity. The world's best
radar isn't worth 10 cents if you don't have a good radome! P.S. There are
a few large aircraft radars that also have a Doppler feature. Today, they
can actually "predict" turbulence but only out to about 10 miles ahead.
Maybe we will have them added to light aircraft radar systems in the next 10
years or so.
3) Stormscope's recommended use depends whether it is stand alone (then it
should be used only as a STRATEGIC Avoidance Tool) or, if it is used in
conjunction with either the two above technologies (then it CAN be used
collectively as TACTICAL Tool). Let me explain. Stormscope plots
electrical activity on the display ONLY, presenting the pilot with azimuth
and "pseudo-range" (it uses algorithms to calculate and plot "range" as a
function of RF strength of the static discharge (lightning strike). Since
some strikes are much stronger than others (which it will plot the strike
closer than it actually is), and some are weaker (plotting them further away
than they really are), it can only "approximate" the true location of the
storm cell. The later Stormscope models eliminate a good portion of the
"radial spread phenomena" by providing a "Cell Mode". The good news is that
it has "conservatism built in", i.e., it shows the strongest storms closer
than they actually are, warning the Stormscope ONLY equipped pilot to steer
a wider deviation (which is prudent!). In my opinion, there is one thing
that Stormscope predicts quite well (perhaps better than ANYTHING
ELSE!)...and that is moderate to severe Turbulence. The reason is simple:
In order to generate enough molecular friction to generate a lightning
strike, you MUST have significant convective activity. Where there is
LIGHTING, there IS USUALLY SIGNIFICANT TRUBULENCE! This is why I believe
that a Stormscope is the ideal partner to have with Weather Radar.
So, there is NO one single system available to the light twin owner today
that gives the full, complete story. However, if you combine two, or better
yet, all three of the technologies above, you have superb weather avoidance
capability. Hope that this helps! Feel free to call if you have any
further questions!
George J. Yundt III
708.349.2121
yundt(at)speakeasy.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: On-Board Wx Radar vs Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink |
Thank you for an excellent discission of the available systems. I feel
better educated about my options.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
So, there is NO one single system available to the light twin owner today
> that gives the full, complete story. However, if you combine two, or
better
> yet, all three of the technologies above, you have superb weather
avoidance
> capability. Hope that this helps!
>
> George J. Yundt III
> 708.349.2121
> yundt(at)speakeasy.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: re: fuel shut off valve overhaul |
Posts like this are nice to see. To me, this is what the list is all about.
Thanks
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: re: fuel shut off valve overhaul
>
> Hi,
>
>
> Fuel gate valves can be overhauled by Aircraft Accessories in OK.
> 800-255-9924. Cost is about $450. Aircraft Accessories overhauls just
about
> all other valves and related components such as hydraulic pumps, de-ice
> valves, etc. They do a good job and their warranty policy is excellent -
no
> questions asked, they just make it right ASAP.
>
>
> Here is some other component overhaul repair trivia:
>
>
> Power brake valves - if the bore of your power brake valve cylinder is
worn
> beyond limits and resealing didn't stop the leaks, you can buy a new one
> from TCAC for about $4000 or Higher Planes of Conroe, TX (936-494-1717)
will
> use their FAA approved process to re-anodize the bore to new limits. Cost
is
> about $2500.
>
>
> 3:1 gauges - These can be done by a variety of companies, but Aero Motive
> Equipment of Oklahoma City, OK has a good supply of parts and can
completely
> rebuild, remark, and match your 3:1 gauges. Kelley Instruments of Wichita,
> KS can probably do it also. Kelley is a good source for gyros and other
> stuff like a/s indicators. I had them re-mark my a/s indicator in knots
and
> add blue/red lines.
>
>
> Question: Does anyone know where to get a windshield hotplate
> repaired/overhauled?
>
>
> Scott
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
,
| Subject: | Re: On-Board Wx Radar vs Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink |
George,
That was a very informative dissertation on the three technologies available
for weather detection and avoidance. What was not addressed was my
question of given the choice between one of two technologies, which is the
more useful choice?
From the answers received it seems that for guys like me who'd rather do
the "end around" than the fullback up the middle, in-flight weather is the
way to go. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to accomplish the
following things...
1) Allows a picture of the weather and trends of what it is doing.
2) Provides enough infomormation to avoid the nasty stuff.
3) Is more useful than a stormscope, unless you're already in the hard
stuff.
4) Provides allows for game planning hundreds of miles in advance.
Seems to me that if you have to choose one technology, in-flight weather is
the most useful.
Thanks to all who replied, I hope it enlightened all of us a little...
Cheers,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Folks,
There is an Australian company that makes a vast range of plastic mouldings
including for various Commanders, if there is any interest I can dig up the
contact details.
The products meet all necessary certification standards, I presume an
Export Certificate of Airworthiness is available.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 05:54 12/02/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>swperk(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> > http://www.urethanesupply.com/aircraftrepair.html
> >
> > Is this the article you remember?
>
>That looks like the same article Stan. The finished part looks really
>good doesn't it? I'm sure you probably were not looking for a project
>like that, but welcome to "classic" airplane ownership...
>
>Chris
>
>
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| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Bill:
Please do.
Thanks!
>
> Folks,
> There is an Australian company that makes a vast range of plastic
mouldings
> including for various Commanders, if there is any interest I can dig up
the details
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: re: fuel shut off valve overhaul |
All,
Another source for instruments is Heritage Aero at Chino, CA.
Jeff Pearson ( used to be with Southwest Instruments before he started his
own show) has things like the 3 in 1 guages new old stock for our aircraft,
plus just about any instrument from 1939 through to the present.
His cell phone is 818 371 9848.
Email is < Roundengine(at)yahoo.com>
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 04:37 15/02/2004, you wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>
>Fuel gate valves can be overhauled by Aircraft Accessories in OK.
>800-255-9924. Cost is about $450. Aircraft Accessories overhauls just about
>all other valves and related components such as hydraulic pumps, de-ice
>valves, etc. They do a good job and their warranty policy is excellent - no
>questions asked, they just make it right ASAP.
>
>
>Here is some other component overhaul repair trivia:
>
>
>Power brake valves - if the bore of your power brake valve cylinder is worn
>beyond limits and resealing didn't stop the leaks, you can buy a new one
>from TCAC for about $4000 or Higher Planes of Conroe, TX (936-494-1717) will
>use their FAA approved process to re-anodize the bore to new limits. Cost is
>about $2500.
>
>
>3:1 gauges - These can be done by a variety of companies, but Aero Motive
>Equipment of Oklahoma City, OK has a good supply of parts and can completely
>rebuild, remark, and match your 3:1 gauges. Kelley Instruments of Wichita,
>KS can probably do it also. Kelley is a good source for gyros and other
>stuff like a/s indicators. I had them re-mark my a/s indicator in knots and
>add blue/red lines.
>
>
>Question: Does anyone know where to get a windshield hotplate
>repaired/overhauled?
>
>
>Scott
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: re: fuel shut off valve overhaul |
All,
Another source for instruments is Heritage Aero at Chino, CA.
Jeff Pearson ( used to be with Southwest Instruments before he started his
own show) has things like the 3 in 1 guages new old stock for our aircraft,
plus just about any instrument from 1939 through to the present.
His cell phone is 818 371 9848.
Email is < Roundengine(at)yahoo.com>
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 04:37 15/02/2004, you wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>
>Fuel gate valves can be overhauled by Aircraft Accessories in OK.
>800-255-9924. Cost is about $450. Aircraft Accessories overhauls just about
>all other valves and related components such as hydraulic pumps, de-ice
>valves, etc. They do a good job and their warranty policy is excellent - no
>questions asked, they just make it right ASAP.
>
>
>Here is some other component overhaul repair trivia:
>
>
>Power brake valves - if the bore of your power brake valve cylinder is worn
>beyond limits and resealing didn't stop the leaks, you can buy a new one
>from TCAC for about $4000 or Higher Planes of Conroe, TX (936-494-1717) will
>use their FAA approved process to re-anodize the bore to new limits. Cost is
>about $2500.
>
>
>3:1 gauges - These can be done by a variety of companies, but Aero Motive
>Equipment of Oklahoma City, OK has a good supply of parts and can completely
>rebuild, remark, and match your 3:1 gauges. Kelley Instruments of Wichita,
>KS can probably do it also. Kelley is a good source for gyros and other
>stuff like a/s indicators. I had them re-mark my a/s indicator in knots and
>add blue/red lines.
>
>
>Question: Does anyone know where to get a windshield hotplate
>repaired/overhauled?
>
>
>Scott
>
>
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Greetings Barry,
Please forgive the tire-kicking, but what ballpark figure did you have in
mind?
Regards,
David
Original Message:
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From: radialpower(at)cox.net
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:02:25 -0500
Subject: Commander-List: 680E for sale
Gang,
Just wanted to remind everyone I have 680E going through a FWF
restoration. New motor mounts, new landing gear trusses, new lines,
hoses, wiring. Also doing a bunch of other "adds" the the aircraft to
make it nice/reliable/safer. It still needs paint, but I can guarantee
that
mechanically/structurally it will be the best 680E on the market when it's
done in about 45 days. Someone is going to get a heck of an airplane
for the money...
I plan to fly it "for sale" so if anyone knows of an interested party, let
me
know. Again it's times are roughly 7000TTAF, 400SMOH L/R, AD free
props, all AD's and SB's complied with and current, solid IFR panel, and
the owner is a really cool guy! :)
I'm going to take a beating on the airplane, so I'm looking for someone
who sees the value in the work that has been done and isn't gonna low
ball me, so please don't come unless you want to pay fair market value
for a good airplane.
Cheers,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | [Q] 685 Commander Project |
Greetings,
Is anyone familiar with the 685 Project for sale by John Rourke? Also, any
other "deals" in a project aircraft out there? I like the straight/plain
500 and the older 520, 560 (i.e. bathtub) models.
Regards,
David
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink |
Barry & Group,
Given your caveats listed below (i.e.): (a) Not intending to penetrate, b)
planning to purchase only one: either a Stormscope OR DataLink,THEN YES, I
AGREE, THE DATALINK gives far more UTILITY and if I had to choose only one,
it would be my choice.
Here's Why:
1) Again, NextRad gives a comprehensive "Big Picture" of the weather,
Stormscope does not. If you have a schedule that permits you the luxury of
total avoidance (i.e. land when things look unpleasant), then all my
previously discussed limitations (discussed yesterday) of the DataLink
NextRad melt away.
2) Depending on what model & service of DataLink you purchase, you can get
FAR MORE than just the NextRad map image. In fact, on my aircraft I use the
Metars, Pireps, Sigmets, Tafs, Special Reports every flight, and in fact use
them literally every hour, of every flight! Better yet, one little known
fact is that many AWOS and ASOS ONLY airports report into the "system" more
often than once an hour. My little home airport (Joliet (30 SW of Chicago)
which has AWOS) reports into the national system several times an hour, so I
can see the latest report usually never more than 15-20 minutes old.
Chicago O'Hare, Midway and DuPage, my three big neighboring airports, only
report once an hour (unless they report a Special) into they system!
3) Again, depending on whose model & system you select, you may soon be
able to get certain other useful "value added" services provided, ONE WHICH
INCLUDES a national version of "Stormscope" for lightning detection! I
understand that this is still 6 months away with my vendor
(Bendix-Honeywell). Other very useful value added features are Graphical
Metars" which I originally thought were "fluff", now find them to be very
useful. I understand that other reports are also coming, including tops
reports, icing charts, winds aloft and even graphical TFR's.
In conclusion, clearly the purchase of a good DataLink, Display, and Service
Provider will provide you far more utility than just a Stormscope alone
(even though again I emphasize how useful I find a Stormscope myself in
conjunction with a Radar).
Be careful to choose ONLY a high bandwidth system. I recommend a
"broadcast" service (as opposed to satellite request-reply) I am NOT a big
fan of the Orbcom, EchoFlight and other slow speed satellite systems...far
too slow and therefore will be very limited (if not impossible) for
expansion and growth to include the future value added products I mentioned
above. As I stated, I have the Bendix-King with the high speed VDL Mode 2
receiver (which is a high speed ground based system). I have no trouble in
getting good useable signals anytime above 2-3 thousand feet in the Eastern
US and find that not having WX data on the ground before takeoff is not a
big factor (that's why they have the computer in the FBO!). Check out
https://www4.bendixking.com/static/FIS/DataLinkWeather.jsp for more info.
Another vendor that I have used (in a friend's aircraft) is the recently
certified WSI through a high speed satellite. (see:
http://www.wsi.com/solutions/aviation/) It too is excellent, but it only
works TODAY with a UPSAT (Now Garmin) MX-20 MFD or L3 Cockpit Display or
various portable tablet / pocket computers. I understand that more MFD's
with WSI connectivity are coming soon, INCLUDING FUTURE GARMIN AND AVIDYNE
PRODUCTS (Both who are going to high bandwidth, in spite of their previous
low speed request-reply satellite offerings!)
Hope that this helps!
GJY III
708.349.2121
yundt(at)speakeasy.net
-----Original Message-----
From: radialpower(at)cox.net [mailto:radialpower(at)cox.net]
Subject: Re: On-Board Wx Radar vs Stormscope vs NextRad Datalink
George,
That was a very informative dissertation on the three technologies available
for weather detection and avoidance. What was not addressed was my
question of given the choice between one of two technologies, which is the
more useful choice?
From the answers received it seems that for guys like me who'd rather do
the "end around" than the fullback up the middle, in-flight weather is the
way to go. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to accomplish the
following things...
1) Allows a picture of the weather and trends of what it is doing.
2) Provides enough infomormation to avoid the nasty stuff.
3) Is more useful than a stormscope, unless you're already in the hard
stuff.
4) Provides allows for game planning hundreds of miles in advance.
Seems to me that if you have to choose one technology, in-flight weather is
the most useful.
Thanks to all who replied, I hope it enlightened all of us a little...
Cheers,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jlyle <jlyle(at)thomsonaviation.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Q] 685 Commander Project |
No longer a Project after 2 years of extensive restoration. However, I have one
of, if not the best 520 in the country.
I am needing to sell it for other personal reasons.
Aircraft is great: New strip and paint, interior, custom panel with Garmin 430,
color RDR150 radar, an S-tec 50 Autopilot and much more, new props and hubs (3
Blade no more AD's). Morris helped us with inspection and some of the early
work. Save yourself a lot of time and money and look at this one if you are serious
about a 520.
If anyone interested let me know and I will send complete spec sheet and photo's.
Thanks,
James Lyle
N11L
>
> Greetings,
>
> Is anyone familiar with the 685 Project for sale by John Rourke? Also, any
> other "deals" in a project aircraft out there? I like the straight/plain
> 500 and the older 520, 560 (i.e. bathtub) models.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | World's Longest Mail Run |
G'day all,
This was sent to me by a friend in Oz; don't know if this tour is based on a
Commander or not, but one would think so by the photo.
Perhaps some of our Mates Down Under can fill us in?
I think it's devilishly clever ... getting passengers to pay to go on a mail
run. Only nuts like us would do it and be proud about it!
If this link (or URL) doesn't take you directly to the page, click on the far
right text, "Worlds Longest Mail Run" on the Airlines of South Australia web
site.
Airlines of SA
http://www.airlinesofsa.com.au/
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I am announcing the dates of next years flyin. Sept 24-25-26. It
will be in Kansas City at John Towners facility. There is an airline museum
next door with a flyable Connie!! But here is the amazing part. John and his
family are close friends with Mr. Hoover. John has already invited Bob to
attend and is awaiting a reply. He said his "gut" feeling is he will be there!!
Yippee (maybe) Anyway, more details soon. I am leaving in the am to deliver a
Super Cub on amphibious floats from Cald Idaho to W. Palm, FL. The winds are
20 - 30kts on the nose!! I don't think I need a moving Mapp, a still photo
will probably be just fine! I will have my lap top so I should be somewhat in
touch.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Air & Space Museum |
Last Friday I was standing-by at Dulles (KIAD) Airport, Washington D.C., and
was able to get over to the new Air & Space Museum for about an hour and a
half.
It's a terrific facility and I recommend it to all.
It was especially touching for me because two of the most important airplanes
in my world: The Aero Commander and Falcon 20, are both exhibited.
(And yes, this does mean that's I'm getting old when two of the most
important airplanes in my world are in a museum ...)
As I'm sure all of you know, Bob Hoover's Shrike is there (right next to one
of FedEx's Falcon 20s). When I came across it, I thought to myself, "We
made it!" as a group who recognizes this extraordinary line of aircraft.
Now, the only thing I need to do is get them to fix the plaque that describes
the Shrike as a "Pressurized, 4 place, twin engine airplane." Obviously, the
Air -)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: World's Longest Mail Run |
Hi Wing Commander,
As far as I am aware commanders were used up until recently. I believe they
now use Chieftains. Maybe Russell knows a bit more about them.
Regards
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: World's Longest Mail Run |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day All,
Indeed the "Worlds Longest Mail Run" was performed for many years by
Airlines of South Australia with a lone 500S VH-ACZ c/n 3176; until late
2002. At this time -ACZ had become a very tired machine and was withdrawn
from use. At the beginning of one such journey from Adelaide's West Beach
Airport; -ACZ suffered double engine failure and was successfully force
landed on a local beach. With the problem rectified it was later proudly
flown right out of that beach again!
As mentioned by Richard, the company more recently continued the service
with Piper Chieftans until being taken over by Air North.
The good news for Commander fans is that -ACZ has been the subject of a
major rebuild by GAM at Essendon and successfully test flown on 12 February
with a change of registration to VH-YJC.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 17/2/04 2:10 PM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> G'day all,
>
> This was sent to me by a friend in Oz; don't know if this tour is based on a
> Commander or not, but one would think so by the photo.
>
> Perhaps some of our Mates Down Under can fill us in?
>
> I think it's devilishly clever ... getting passengers to pay to go on a mail
> run. Only nuts like us would do it and be proud about it!
>
> If this link (or URL) doesn't take you directly to the page, click on the far
> right text, "Worlds Longest Mail Run" on the Airlines of South Australia web
> site.
>
>
> Airlines of SA
>
> http://www.airlinesofsa.com.au/
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: World's Longest Mail Run |
Hi All,
Yes, it's true. We had a series on TV regarding different aspects of aviation a
couple of years back, and in a preview one week of what was on the following
week, I saw a Commander! Turned out that about 20mins of a 30min program were
about VH-ACZ. Not only did it deliver mail, to ranches the size of England, but
kid's homework too was ferried to & from their teachers. Strips in the outback
in the middle of b****y nowhere! Still, they didn't get complaints about noise!!
Barry C
(UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: World's Longest Mail Run
|
| G'day all,
|
| This was sent to me by a friend in Oz; don't know if this tour is based on a
| Commander or not, but one would think so by the photo.
|
| Perhaps some of our Mates Down Under can fill us in?
|
| I think it's devilishly clever ... getting passengers to pay to go on a mail
| run. Only nuts like us would do it and be proud about it!
|
| If this link (or URL) doesn't take you directly to the page, click on the far
| right text, "Worlds Longest Mail Run" on the Airlines of South Australia web
| site.
|
|
| Airlines of SA
|
| http://www.airlinesofsa.com.au/
|
|
| Enjoy!
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Dad!
Well, if Mr. Bob Hoover is going to attend, then I suppose the least I can do is
mosey over to the USA, once again.
Of course I'll be there! Haven't missed a Fly-In yet and don't intend to break
the habit for years!!
Keep us posted JimBob!
Barry C
(UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: HOOVER??
|
| HI KIDS.
|
| I am announcing the dates of next years flyin. Sept 24-25-26. It
| will be in Kansas City at John Towners facility. There is an airline museum
| next door with a flyable Connie!! But here is the amazing part. John and his
| family are close friends with Mr. Hoover. John has already invited Bob to
| attend and is awaiting a reply. He said his "gut" feeling is he will be
there!!
| Yippee (maybe) Anyway, more details soon. I am leaving in the am to deliver
a
| Super Cub on amphibious floats from Cald Idaho to W. Palm, FL. The winds are
| 20 - 30kts on the nose!! I don't think I need a moving Mapp, a still photo
| will probably be just fine! I will have my lap top so I should be somewhat in
| touch.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | FLYING TO THE UK |
Commander Drivers,
Is there still any interest in flying to Europe this summer? Haven't seen
anything on it lately. I am still interested.
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLYING TO THE UK |
Moe,
We are still working with a few aircraft owners on getting their commitment.
You'll be hearing from Ed and I soon. We will be putting together the training
class for late April early May. The planned departure time is still the
second week of July with the trip taking approximately 14-20 days to complete.
Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLYING TO THE UK |
Kevin,
It was nice to talk to you this morning on the phone regarding the trip to
the UK This is something that I am really looking foreword to.
I have since spoken to my wife, Linn, and it is almost a certainty that she
will not be able to make the trip with us. Therefore, it would be nice to have
someone fly with me in N680RR. If they had some time in a Commander and was
instrument current it would be really great! I would prefer to have only one
person, so if my wife discovered, at the last minute, that she could go there
would still be only three of us in the plane.
If you hear about anyone who would like to fly with me please give them my
email address. moemills(at)aol.com
Best regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Tragic day in Oz Commanderland.... |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day All,
A very ordinary day in Oz Commander land today with the total loss of 500S
c/n 3111 VH-LST of TASAIR:
It was destroyed near Hobart (HB), Tasmania this afternoon on a VFR
flight to Devonport, according to HB TWR the female pilot was only about
21.
The wreckage was located by another Tasair aircraft (TSR) on its first run
along the direct track to Devonport, and a police chopper was at the scene
very quickly.
This is tragic news...flying VFR in this part of the world is really
rugged...just ask Richard and yours truly.
Cheers
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Tragic day in Oz Commanderland.... |
Are you suggesting midair?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Commander-List: Tragic day in Oz Commanderland....
>
> G'day All,
>
> A very ordinary day in Oz Commander land today with the total loss of 500S
> c/n 3111 VH-LST of TASAIR:
>
> It was destroyed near Hobart (HB), Tasmania this afternoon on a VFR
> flight to Devonport, according to HB TWR the female pilot was only about
> 21.
> The wreckage was located by another Tasair aircraft (TSR) on its first run
> along the direct track to Devonport, and a police chopper was at the scene
> very quickly.
>
> This is tragic news...flying VFR in this part of the world is really
> rugged...just ask Richard and yours truly.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tragic day in Oz Commanderland.... |
Sorry to hear about that. Will you fill us in on the details when they
become available?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Commander-List: Tragic day in Oz Commanderland....
>
> G'day All,
>
> A very ordinary day in Oz Commander land today with the total loss of 500S
> c/n 3111 VH-LST of TASAIR:
>
> It was destroyed near Hobart (HB), Tasmania this afternoon on a VFR
> flight to Devonport, according to HB TWR the female pilot was only about
> 21.
> The wreckage was located by another Tasair aircraft (TSR) on its first run
> along the direct track to Devonport, and a police chopper was at the scene
> very quickly.
>
> This is tragic news...flying VFR in this part of the world is really
> rugged...just ask Richard and yours truly.
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Not good news on VH-LST c/n 3111 |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day All,
The crash yesterday of 500S VH-LST doesn't have a good feel about it.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) are treating the Aero
Commander LST accident as a Major Investigation and their investigators will
be on site for another 4 full days at least.
The strong suggestion is structural failure in flight, because the tail
section is some distance from the rest of the wreckage.
We must all hope like hell that this failure is kept in perspective by "the
industry".
Cheers
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training Instructor |
From: "Sara Smith" <smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: EX Rockwell International Commander Training Instructor
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:06:48 -0800
I was in your website today and it brought back a lot of good memories back=20when
I was the Factory Customer Training Instructor in all the Piston and Turboprop
Commander Twins. Our department then was staffed with myself, Lee Lindo and
Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany Oklahoma. Years 1967-1969. I was fortunate
to get checked out and teach both flight and ground training=20to Commander
Twin customer owners and pilots from all over the world.When the factory
was sold to Alan Paulson, our training department was absorbed by=20Flight Safety
International. I left the company just before the takeover and went to work
as Corporate Chief Pilot for a handful of major oil and cattle companies that
were operating 690B's, and 980's. I have 12,200 hours as a pilot of which 5,000
plus are in Turbine commanders. I operated as single pilot all over the US,
Mexico and the Caribbean. After my commander years I flew as an airline captain
in DH-6's and then went on to serve in the FAA as an Aviation Safety Inspector
Operations for both Air Carrier and General Aviation. I retired from the
FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to work for Flight Safety Boeing Senior Manager
for FAA Regulatory Affairs in Renton, WA. I left=20the company after 3 years
with them when FSI sold out to Boeing. I presently reside in Langley, WA. I miss
flying the commanders. I consider the entire=20line to be one of the best
aircraft ever designed. Should you or your company have any job opportunities
that I could contribute my expertise, please give me a call or email. Best regards,
Raul H. Diaz
1010 Cedar Circle
Langley, WA 98260
360-221-4151
smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com
I was in your website today and it brought=20back a
lot of good memories back when I was the Factory Customer Training Instructor in
all the Piston and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was staffed
with myself, Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany Oklahoma.
Years 1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both flight and
ground training to Commander Twincustomer owners and pilots from all over
the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training department was
absorbed by Flight Safety International. I left the company just before the
takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a handful of major oil
and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I have 12,200 hours
as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine commanders. I operated as single
pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean. After my commander years I=20flew
as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on to serve in the FAA as an
Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and General Aviation.
I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to work for Flight Safety
Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in Renton, WA. I left the
company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out to Boeing. I presently reside
in Langley, WA. I miss flying the commanders. I consider the entire line to=20be
one of the best aircraft ever designed. Should you or your company have any=20job
opportunities that I could contribute my expertise, please give me a call or
email. Best regards,
Raul H. Diaz
1010 Cedar Circle
Langley, WA 98260
360-221-4151
smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training |
Instructor
Wow, If nothing else I'm sure our members would like to poke at your
knowledge and experiences.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training
Instructor
>
>
> From: "Sara Smith" <smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Subject: EX Rockwell International Commander Training Instructor
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:06:48 -0800
>
>
> I was in your website today and it brought back a lot of good memories
back=20when I was the Factory Customer Training Instructor in all the Piston
and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was staffed with myself,
Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany Oklahoma. Years
1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both flight and
ground training=20to Commander Twin customer owners and pilots from all over
the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training department
was absorbed by=20Flight Safety International. I left the company just
before the takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a handful
of major oil and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I
have 12,200 hours as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine commanders.
I operated as single pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean. After
my commander years I flew as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on
to serve in the FAA !
> as an Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and
General Aviation. I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to work
for Flight Safety Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in
Renton, WA. I left=20the company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out
to Boeing. I presently reside in Langley, WA. I miss flying the commanders.
I consider the entire=20line to be one of the best aircraft ever designed.
Should you or your company have any job opportunities that I could
contribute my expertise, please give me a call or email. Best regards,
>
> Raul H. Diaz
> 1010 Cedar Circle
> Langley, WA 98260
> 360-221-4151
> smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was in your website today and it brought=20back a
> lot of good memories back when I was the Factory Customer Training
Instructor in
> all the Piston and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was
staffed
> with myself, Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany
Oklahoma.
> Years 1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both flight
and
> ground training to Commander Twincustomer owners and pilots from all over
> the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training
department was
> absorbed by Flight Safety International. I left the company just before
the
> takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a handful of major
oil
> and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I have 12,200
hours
> as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine commanders. I operated as
single
> pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean. After my commander years
I=20flew
> as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on to serve in the FAA as an
> Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and General
Aviation.
> I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to work for Flight
Safety
> Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in Renton, WA. I left the
> company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out to Boeing. I presently
reside
> in Langley, WA. I miss flying the commanders. I consider the entire line
to=20be
> one of the best aircraft ever designed. Should you or your company have
any=20job
> opportunities that I could contribute my expertise, please give me a call
or
> email. Best regards,
>
> Raul H. Diaz
> 1010 Cedar Circle
> Langley, WA 98260
> 360-221-4151
> smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Attention Allan Hoffman |
Hi Al,
I tried to send an email a day or two ago to "alh1:juno.com", but it was
rejected.
Could you send me an email with your new email address, if you have one?
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Russell,
Gil White has a possible lead for VH-EXU. The other two - nothing new.
Evidently, E S Gooch has a listing in the White Pages as 3 Healy Street, Port Denison,
Western Australia. Port Denison is in the general area of Three Springs
which Edgar Sidney Gooch gave to the Department of Civil Aviation for registration
purposes over 30 years ago.
The phone number is 08 9927-1799.
Would it be worth giving him a call?
Re VH-LST, the possibility of structural failure is real bad news. But, tails don't
just come off on Commanders. If it did, the likely scenario is through the
pilot inducing an over-stress through extreme use of the controls.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: re: fuel shut off valve overhaul |
Folks,
Whoever it was asking about internal mouldings, window linings etc for
various AC, the details are below, sorry, but I probably erased the
original message.
I have used their wingtip light covers, I have seen the internal window
surrounds in another 500A, they looked good, they appear to have plenty of
dimension to allow trimming for an individual fit.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
Aero Plastics and Structures
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Contact Mr Rex Goadby
Title Managing Director
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airline industry.
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At 04:37 15/02/2004, you wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>
>Fuel gate valves can be overhauled by Aircraft Accessories in OK.
>800-255-9924. Cost is about $450. Aircraft Accessories overhauls just about
>all other valves and related components such as hydraulic pumps, de-ice
>valves, etc. They do a good job and their warranty policy is excellent - no
>questions asked, they just make it right ASAP.
>
>
>Here is some other component overhaul repair trivia:
>
>
>Power brake valves - if the bore of your power brake valve cylinder is worn
>beyond limits and resealing didn't stop the leaks, you can buy a new one
>from TCAC for about $4000 or Higher Planes of Conroe, TX (936-494-1717) will
>use their FAA approved process to re-anodize the bore to new limits. Cost is
>about $2500.
>
>
>3:1 gauges - These can be done by a variety of companies, but Aero Motive
>Equipment of Oklahoma City, OK has a good supply of parts and can completely
>rebuild, remark, and match your 3:1 gauges. Kelley Instruments of Wichita,
>KS can probably do it also. Kelley is a good source for gyros and other
>stuff like a/s indicators. I had them re-mark my a/s indicator in knots and
>add blue/red lines.
>
>
>Question: Does anyone know where to get a windshield hotplate
>repaired/overhauled?
>
>
>Scott
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Attention Allan Hoffman |
barry, it is alh1(at)juno.com you omitted the (at). i have another address that i use
for personal mail and you are welcome to use that, ahoffman1(at)hotmail.com.
looking forward to hearing from you. al hoffman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
There are some new Goodyear pucks on ebay. Current bid 9.99.
Can find it under "aero commander" search.
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Didn't an airliner suffer a tail malfunction due to extreme control use
recently? At least that was what the board of inquiry suggested. Cannot
remember the details.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: VH-EXU
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Russell,
>
> Gil White has a possible lead for VH-EXU. The other two - nothing new.
>
> Evidently, E S Gooch has a listing in the White Pages as 3 Healy Street,
Port Denison, Western Australia. Port Denison is in the general area of
Three Springs which Edgar Sidney Gooch gave to the Department of Civil
Aviation for registration purposes over 30 years ago.
>
> The phone number is 08 9927-1799.
>
> Would it be worth giving him a call?
>
> Re VH-LST, the possibility of structural failure is real bad news. But,
tails don't just come off on Commanders. If it did, the likely scenario is
through the pilot inducing an over-stress through extreme use of the
controls.
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training |
Instructor
I wish someone like yourself would slowly page through your logbook and make
notes of flights and put them in print. Like a narrative of your logbook, so
to speak. There are no mundane flights.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander
Training Instructor
>
> Wow, If nothing else I'm sure our members would like to poke at your
> knowledge and experiences.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: EX Rockwell International Commander Training
> Instructor
>
>
> >
> >
> > From: "Sara Smith" <smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: EX Rockwell International Commander Training Instructor
> > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:06:48 -0800
> >
> >
> > I was in your website today and it brought back a lot of good memories
> back=20when I was the Factory Customer Training Instructor in all the
Piston
> and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was staffed with
myself,
> Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany Oklahoma. Years
> 1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both flight and
> ground training=20to Commander Twin customer owners and pilots from all
over
> the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training
department
> was absorbed by=20Flight Safety International. I left the company just
> before the takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a
handful
> of major oil and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I
> have 12,200 hours as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine
commanders.
> I operated as single pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean.
After
> my commander years I flew as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on
> to serve in the FAA !
> > as an Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and
> General Aviation. I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to
work
> for Flight Safety Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in
> Renton, WA. I left=20the company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out
> to Boeing. I presently reside in Langley, WA. I miss flying the
commanders.
> I consider the entire=20line to be one of the best aircraft ever designed.
> Should you or your company have any job opportunities that I could
> contribute my expertise, please give me a call or email. Best regards,
> >
> > Raul H. Diaz
> > 1010 Cedar Circle
> > Langley, WA 98260
> > 360-221-4151
> > smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was in your website today and it brought=20back a
> > lot of good memories back when I was the Factory Customer Training
> Instructor in
> > all the Piston and Turboprop Commander Twins. Our department then was
> staffed
> > with myself, Lee Lindo and Lloyd Ferris, at the factory in Bethany
> Oklahoma.
> > Years 1967-1969. I was fortunate to get checked out and teach both
flight
> and
> > ground training to Commander Twincustomer owners and pilots from all
over
> > the world.When the factory was sold to Alan Paulson, our training
> department was
> > absorbed by Flight Safety International. I left the company just before
> the
> > takeover and went to work as Corporate Chief Pilot for a handful of
major
> oil
> > and cattle companies that were operating 690B's, and 980's. I have
12,200
> hours
> > as a pilot of which 5,000 plus are in Turbine commanders. I operated as
> single
> > pilot all over the US, Mexico and the Caribbean. After my commander
years
> I=20flew
> > as an airline captain in DH-6's and then went on to serve in the FAA as
an
> > Aviation Safety Inspector Operations for both Air Carrier and General
> Aviation.
> > I retired from the FAA in 2000. I came to Seattle to work for Flight
> Safety
> > Boeing Senior Manager for FAA Regulatory Affairs in Renton, WA. I left
the
> > company after 3 years with them when FSI sold out to Boeing. I presently
> reside
> > in Langley, WA. I miss flying the commanders. I consider the entire line
> to=20be
> > one of the best aircraft ever designed. Should you or your company have
> any=20job
> > opportunities that I could contribute my expertise, please give me a
call
> or
> > email. Best regards,
> >
> > Raul H. Diaz
> > 1010 Cedar Circle
> > Langley, WA 98260
> > 360-221-4151
> > smithndiaz(at)hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Commander 680 fuel caps |
I deleted the Email from the person looking for the 680 fuel cap.
I have sourced two new ones so get back to me.
By the way the Air Centre also called my source so call me before buying.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Commander-List: goodyear pucks
>
> There are some new Goodyear pucks on ebay. Current bid 9.99.
> Can find it under "aero commander" search.
>
>
> Phil Stubbs
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 680 fuel caps |
Hi Tom,
I'm the one who was looking for a fuel cap...was able to get one from Gary
Kroner at Commander Aero. I hope I won't need another one, but will keep
you in mind if I do.
Thanks,
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 fuel caps
>
> I deleted the Email from the person looking for the 680 fuel cap.
> I have sourced two new ones so get back to me.
> By the way the Air Centre also called my source so call me before buying.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
> To: "commander-list"
> Subject: Commander-List: goodyear pucks
>
>
>
> >
> > There are some new Goodyear pucks on ebay. Current bid 9.99.
> > Can find it under "aero commander" search.
> >
> >
> > Phil Stubbs
> > br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 680 fuel caps |
I Have a new cap $275.00
Harry 321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
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