Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bh
July 28, 2004 - October 09, 2004
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| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
Hello Listers,
I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin Commander
owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E, 680FP,
680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or longer
if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in the
areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may want take
that requires four days.
You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in Kansas
City.
Kevin Coons
Commander Nut
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| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Need a ride to the Fly-in |
Hello everyone,
I have a client who owns a 500S in the Albany, NY area. His 500S is out of
service and will not be up again until Nov to Dec. He and his wife will be
attending the MKC fly-in. They will fly commercial if they have too, but he
said they would love to hitch a ride with someone if possible.
They are great people. They have had all their shots and don't bite. He is
more than happy to share the expenses and flying duties to MKC and back.
Anyone live within a few hundred miles of Albany that would be willing to
pick them up?
Thank You,
Kevin Coons
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
> Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin Commander
> owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
> instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E, 680FP,
> 680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
>
> I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or
longer
> if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in the
> areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may want
take
> that requires four days.
>
> You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
>
> Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in Kansas
> City.
>
> Kevin Coons
> Commander Nut
>
>
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
kc, how about your time for 2001m . mason
>From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
>
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
>I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
>Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin Commander
>owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
>instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E, 680FP,
>680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
>
>I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or longer
>if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in the
>areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may want take
>that requires four days.
>
>You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
>
>Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in Kansas
>City.
>
>Kevin Coons
>Commander Nut
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd. mason ck
w gary tnx
>From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
>
>
>
> Hello Listers,
>
>I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
>Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin Commander
>owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
>instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E, 680FP,
>680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
>
>I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or longer
>if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in the
>areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may want take
>that requires four days.
>
>You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
>
>Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in Kansas
>City.
>
>Kevin Coons
>Commander Nut
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
Mason,
Your number one on the list.
The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for a
500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items he
wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it his
lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not look at
it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would and
since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am going
back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make a buck
while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15 when
he can fly.
For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the way I
believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay with
that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your wife? This
is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and speeds,
Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when descending.
Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course landings.
What are your thoughts?
How are your v-speeds coming along?
Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
Kevin
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd. mason
ck
> w gary tnx
>
>
> >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
> >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Listers,
> >
> >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
> >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin Commander
> >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
> >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E, 680FP,
> >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> >
> >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or
longer
> >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in the
> >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may want
take
> >that requires four days.
> >
> >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> >
> >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
Kansas
> >City.
> >
> >Kevin Coons
> >Commander Nut
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
apologies to all.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> Mason,
>
> Your number one on the list.
>
> The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for a
> 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items he
> wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it his
> lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not look
at
> it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would and
> since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am going
> back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make a
buck
> while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
>
> Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15 when
> he can fly.
>
> For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the way I
> believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay with
> that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your wife?
This
> is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
>
> Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and speeds,
> Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when descending.
> Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
landings.
> What are your thoughts?
>
> How are your v-speeds coming along?
>
> Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
>
> Kevin
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
>
>
> >
> > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd. mason
> ck
> > w gary tnx
> >
> >
> > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > >To:
> > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
> > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Listers,
> > >
> > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
> > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
Commander
> > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
> > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E, 680FP,
> > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > >
> > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or
> longer
> > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in
the
> > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may want
> take
> > >that requires four days.
> > >
> > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > >
> > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> Kansas
> > >City.
> > >
> > >Kevin Coons
> > >Commander Nut
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css 2" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
I thought that was pretty cool, Kevin.
If the list is only to sound off it would be of little value. Here you put
the list to good use and it benefits Commander pilots. If I were in the
market for training right now I would have chimed in booking you right away
and appreciated the trusted atmosphere that the list already created. Go for
it!
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
> apologies to all.
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
>
>
>
> >
> > Mason,
> >
> > Your number one on the list.
> >
> > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for a
> > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items he
> > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it his
> > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not look
> at
> > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would and
> > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
going
> > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make a
> buck
> > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> >
> > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15
when
> > he can fly.
> >
> > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the way
I
> > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay with
> > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your wife?
> This
> > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> >
> > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
speeds,
> > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
descending.
> > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
> landings.
> > What are your thoughts?
> >
> > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> >
> > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> >
> > Kevin
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
mason
> > ck
> > > w gary tnx
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Listers,
> > > >
> > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
> > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
> Commander
> > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
> > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
680FP,
> > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > >
> > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or
> > longer
> > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in
> the
> > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
want
> > take
> > > >that requires four days.
> > > >
> > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > >
> > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> > Kansas
> > > >City.
> > > >
> > > >Kevin Coons
> > > >Commander Nut
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
I see nothing wrong in your postings regarding the training, perhaps it is
against some chat forum rules shouldn't though.
Perhaps you feel you should not use the chat forum to book appointments and
earn money.
If you are in a position that will benefit other Commander owners/operators
and don't mind publishing your activities then others may benefit from
reading the postings.
You may have even convinced someone that is waffling about taking any
recurrent training to take some because he sees his fellow pilots doing so.
Tom F.
waiting for a 680FLP (with IO720's)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
> apologies to all.
>
> Kevin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
>
>
>
> >
> > Mason,
> >
> > Your number one on the list.
> >
> > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for a
> > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items he
> > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it his
> > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not look
> at
> > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would and
> > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
going
> > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make a
> buck
> > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> >
> > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15
when
> > he can fly.
> >
> > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the way
I
> > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay with
> > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your wife?
> This
> > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> >
> > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
speeds,
> > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
descending.
> > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
> landings.
> > What are your thoughts?
> >
> > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> >
> > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> >
> > Kevin
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
mason
> > ck
> > > w gary tnx
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Listers,
> > > >
> > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
> > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
> Commander
> > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
> > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
680FP,
> > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > >
> > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or
> > longer
> > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in
> the
> > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
want
> > take
> > > >that requires four days.
> > > >
> > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > >
> > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> > Kansas
> > > >City.
> > > >
> > > >Kevin Coons
> > > >Commander Nut
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
My 680FLP will be Out of annual Next Week
Harry Merritt
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> I see nothing wrong in your postings regarding the training, perhaps it is
> against some chat forum rules shouldn't though.
> Perhaps you feel you should not use the chat forum to book appointments
and
> earn money.
> If you are in a position that will benefit other Commander
owners/operators
> and don't mind publishing your activities then others may benefit from
> reading the postings.
> You may have even convinced someone that is waffling about taking any
> recurrent training to take some because he sees his fellow pilots doing
so.
>
> Tom F.
> waiting for a 680FLP (with IO720's)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
>
>
>
> >
> > Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
> > apologies to all.
> >
> > Kevin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Mason,
> > >
> > > Your number one on the list.
> > >
> > > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for
a
> > > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items
he
> > > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it
his
> > > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not
look
> > at
> > > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would
and
> > > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
> going
> > > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> > > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make
a
> > buck
> > > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> > >
> > > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15
> when
> > > he can fly.
> > >
> > > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the
way
> I
> > > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay
with
> > > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your
wife?
> > This
> > > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> > >
> > > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
> speeds,
> > > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
> descending.
> > > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
> > landings.
> > > What are your thoughts?
> > >
> > > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> > >
> > > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> > California
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
> mason
> > > ck
> > > > w gary tnx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Listers,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their
Aero
> > > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
> > Commander
> > > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified
to
> > > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
> 680FP,
> > > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC
or
> > > longer
> > > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying
in
> > the
> > > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
> want
> > > take
> > > > >that requires four days.
> > > > >
> > > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> > > Kansas
> > > > >City.
> > > > >
> > > > >Kevin Coons
> > > > >Commander Nut
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css 2" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
Tom,
Let us know when the 720's arrive. We need a flight report.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> I see nothing wrong in your postings regarding the training, perhaps it is
> against some chat forum rules shouldn't though.
> Perhaps you feel you should not use the chat forum to book appointments
and
> earn money.
> If you are in a position that will benefit other Commander
owners/operators
> and don't mind publishing your activities then others may benefit from
> reading the postings.
> You may have even convinced someone that is waffling about taking any
> recurrent training to take some because he sees his fellow pilots doing
so.
>
> Tom F.
> waiting for a 680FLP (with IO720's)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
>
>
>
> >
> > Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
> > apologies to all.
> >
> > Kevin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Mason,
> > >
> > > Your number one on the list.
> > >
> > > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for
a
> > > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items
he
> > > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it
his
> > > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not
look
> > at
> > > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would
and
> > > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
> going
> > > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> > > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make
a
> > buck
> > > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> > >
> > > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15
> when
> > > he can fly.
> > >
> > > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the
way
> I
> > > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay
with
> > > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your
wife?
> > This
> > > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> > >
> > > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
> speeds,
> > > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
> descending.
> > > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
> > landings.
> > > What are your thoughts?
> > >
> > > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> > >
> > > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> > California
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
> mason
> > > ck
> > > > w gary tnx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Listers,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their
Aero
> > > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
> > Commander
> > > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified
to
> > > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
> 680FP,
> > > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC
or
> > > longer
> > > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying
in
> > the
> > > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
> want
> > > take
> > > > >that requires four days.
> > > > >
> > > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> > > Kansas
> > > > >City.
> > > > >
> > > > >Kevin Coons
> > > > >Commander Nut
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
You should ask Harry, it's his plane I'm hoping to get.
I will however be more of a traveler to Commander events when I am airborne
in a Commander again.
Of course all the SAR operations will be documented.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css 2" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
> Tom,
> Let us know when the 720's arrive. We need a flight report.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
California
>
>
>
> >
> > I see nothing wrong in your postings regarding the training, perhaps it
is
> > against some chat forum rules shouldn't though.
> > Perhaps you feel you should not use the chat forum to book appointments
> and
> > earn money.
> > If you are in a position that will benefit other Commander
> owners/operators
> > and don't mind publishing your activities then others may benefit from
> > reading the postings.
> > You may have even convinced someone that is waffling about taking any
> > recurrent training to take some because he sees his fellow pilots doing
> so.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > waiting for a 680FLP (with IO720's)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> California
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
> > > apologies to all.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> > California
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mason,
> > > >
> > > > Your number one on the list.
> > > >
> > > > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up
for
> a
> > > > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of
items
> he
> > > > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it
> his
> > > > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not
> look
> > > at
> > > > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would
> and
> > > > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
> > going
> > > > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get
no
> > > > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and
make
> a
> > > buck
> > > > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> > > >
> > > > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until
8-15
> > when
> > > > he can fly.
> > > >
> > > > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the
> way
> > I
> > > > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay
> with
> > > > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your
> wife?
> > > This
> > > > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> > > >
> > > > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
> > speeds,
> > > > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
> > descending.
> > > > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
> > > landings.
> > > > What are your thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> > > >
> > > > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > > .
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> > > California
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
> > mason
> > > > ck
> > > > > w gary tnx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > > >To:
> > > > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> > California
> > > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello Listers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their
> Aero
> > > > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
> > > Commander
> > > > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified
> to
> > > > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
> > 680FP,
> > > > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC
> or
> > > > longer
> > > > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and
flying
> in
> > > the
> > > > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
> > want
> > > > take
> > > > > >that requires four days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you
in
> > > > Kansas
> > > > > >City.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Kevin Coons
> > > > > >Commander Nut
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
cl, i agree. lets all try to be better pilots and take good care of our
planes. maon
>From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:34:51 -0700
>
>
>
>I see nothing wrong in your postings regarding the training, perhaps it is
>against some chat forum rules shouldn't though.
>Perhaps you feel you should not use the chat forum to book appointments and
>earn money.
>If you are in a position that will benefit other Commander owners/operators
>and don't mind publishing your activities then others may benefit from
>reading the postings.
>You may have even convinced someone that is waffling about taking any
>recurrent training to take some because he sees his fellow pilots doing so.
>
>Tom F.
>waiting for a 680FLP (with IO720's)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
>
>
> >
> > Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
> > apologies to all.
> >
> > Kevin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
>California
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Mason,
> > >
> > > Your number one on the list.
> > >
> > > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for
>a
> > > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items
>he
> > > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it
>his
> > > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not
>look
> > at
> > > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would
>and
> > > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
>going
> > > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> > > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make
>a
> > buck
> > > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> > >
> > > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15
>when
> > > he can fly.
> > >
> > > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the
>way
>I
> > > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay
>with
> > > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your
>wife?
> > This
> > > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> > >
> > > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
>speeds,
> > > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
>descending.
> > > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
> > landings.
> > > What are your thoughts?
> > >
> > > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> > >
> > > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
> > California
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
>mason
> > > ck
> > > > w gary tnx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > >To:
> > > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
>California
> > > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Listers,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their
>Aero
> > > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
> > Commander
> > > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified
>to
> > > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
>680FP,
> > > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > > >
> > > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC
>or
> > > longer
> > > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying
>in
> > the
> > > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
>want
> > > take
> > > > >that requires four days.
> > > > >
> > > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> > > Kansas
> > > > >City.
> > > > >
> > > > >Kevin Coons
> > > > >Commander Nut
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
kc keep up good work. mason
>From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:22:14 -0400
>
>
>
>Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
>apologies to all.
>
>Kevin
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern California
>
>
>
> >
> > Mason,
> >
> > Your number one on the list.
> >
> > The dates in California are really pretty fluid. It is a follow-up for a
> > 500A owner that I did training with last month. He had a set of items he
> > wanted to work on, one of them being night flying. When we tried it his
> > lights when out and the circuit breaker popped. The mech. could not look
>at
> > it so he sent me home and asked me to come back. I told him I would and
> > since he has already paid me in full and I am a man of my word I am
>going
> > back to California to finish my obligation. Unfortunately, I'll get no
> > additional revenue for the trip so I made the posting to try and make a
>buck
> > while I was out there. It seems to have worked.
> >
> > Long story longer is the original client won't really know until 8-15
>when
> > he can fly.
> >
> > For you Mason I am available the end of August first of Sept. By the way
>I
> > believe John McNulty will be joining us. I hope you are still okay with
> > that? Also, do you still want me to develop a FAM course for your wife?
>This
> > is what I am thinking. The FAM course will consist of the following.
> >
> > Straight and level, Turns, Descents, Configuration for landing and
>speeds,
> > Wastegate usage, checklist use, pressurization system use when
>descending.
> > Engine instrumentation scan and what to look for. and of course
>landings.
> > What are your thoughts?
> >
> > How are your v-speeds coming along?
> >
> > Lets plan on 4 days min.maybe 5 days to train all three of you.
> >
> > Kevin
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
>California
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > kc, looking for 2001m toward end of august, maby laborday wknd.
>mason
> > ck
> > > w gary tnx
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
> > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > >To:
> > > >Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Training in Southern
>California
> > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:42:17 -0400
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Listers,
> > > >
> > > >I'll be flying to So. California working with a client in their Aero
> > > >Commander mid to late August. If there are any of you LA Basin
>Commander
> > > >owners that need a BFR or IPC I will be available. I am certified to
> > > >instruct in 500A, 500B, 500U, & 500S as well as the 560F, 680E,
>680FP,
> > > >680FL, 680FLP, and the 685.
> > > >
> > > >I am able to fly with you for a few hours to get your BFR and IPC or
> > longer
> > > >if you want to work on something in particular training and flying in
>the
> > > >areas that you choose or I have a structured program that you may
>want
> > take
> > > >that requires four days.
> > > >
> > > >You can contact my office 859-689-9046 or email me.
> > > >
> > > >Thank You and if I don't see you in California I hope to see you in
> > Kansas
> > > >City.
> > > >
> > > >Kevin Coons
> > > >Commander Nut
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander Training in Southern California |
In a message dated 7/30/2004 11:23:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net writes:
Well folks, A classic case of how not to use the TCFG chat board. My
apologies to all.
No apology needed. This is what the list is for. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can anybody tell me the
dates and information...thanks.
I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hey Randy,
Need anyone to share seats/gas? I'm looking for a ride out, as I'll be
picking up my freshly painted airplane just prior to the event....woohoo!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
> I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can anybody tell
me the dates and information...thanks.
>
> I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi John,
Morris mentioned that you and he are interested in hitching a ride to the
fly-in. Sounds great, if I can swing the time to work it into my schedule.
What are the dates?? It's in Kansas City...right??
Congrats on the new paint job...what are the colors.??
RD
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
> Hey Randy,
>
> Need anyone to share seats/gas? I'm looking for a ride out, as I'll be
> picking up my freshly painted airplane just prior to the event....woohoo!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: "Commander Chat"
> Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
>
>
> >
> > I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can anybody tell
> me the dates and information...thanks.
> >
> > I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
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Randy,
I seem to recall John V. telling me he was contemplating a color scheme, using
original factory 'names' and they were going to comprise:
Bluetone White, Polar White, Basic White and Alpine White.
However, he hadn't decided which was going to be the base color, the secondary
color or the two sets of trim.
How about putting it to the vote chaps?
See ya there John!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
|
| Hi John,
| Morris mentioned that you and he are interested in hitching a ride to the
| fly-in. Sounds great, if I can swing the time to work it into my schedule.
| What are the dates?? It's in Kansas City...right??
|
| Congrats on the new paint job...what are the colors.??
|
| RD
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
|
|
| >
| > Hey Randy,
| >
| > Need anyone to share seats/gas? I'm looking for a ride out, as I'll be
| > picking up my freshly painted airplane just prior to the event....woohoo!
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
| > To: "Commander Chat"
| > Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in
| >
| >
| >
| > >
| > > I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can anybody tell
| > me the dates and information...thanks.
| > >
| > > I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
| > >
| > > Randy Dettmer
| > > 680F/N6253X
| > >
| > >
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi Barry,
Can you fill me in on the dates and details about the fly-in. I've
misplaced the information packet from JimBob...sure would like to attend.
Thanks,
Randy D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Randy,
>
> I seem to recall John V. telling me he was contemplating a color scheme,
using
> original factory 'names' and they were going to comprise:
> Bluetone White, Polar White, Basic White and Alpine White.
>
> However, he hadn't decided which was going to be the base color, the
secondary
> color or the two sets of trim.
>
> How about putting it to the vote chaps?
>
> See ya there John!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
>
>
> |
> | Hi John,
> | Morris mentioned that you and he are interested in hitching a ride to
the
> | fly-in. Sounds great, if I can swing the time to work it into my
schedule.
> | What are the dates?? It's in Kansas City...right??
> |
> | Congrats on the new paint job...what are the colors.??
> |
> | RD
> |
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
> |
> |
> | >
> | > Hey Randy,
> | >
> | > Need anyone to share seats/gas? I'm looking for a ride out, as I'll be
> | > picking up my freshly painted airplane just prior to the
event....woohoo!
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> | > To: "Commander Chat"
> | > Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > >
> | > > I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can anybody
tell
> | > me the dates and information...thanks.
> | > >
> | > > I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
> | > >
> | > > Randy Dettmer
> | > > 680F/N6253X
> | > >
> | > >
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
The fly-in is the 24-26th of Sept, the hotel is the K. C. Marriott Downtown,
phone is (816-421-6800). Info needs to be in by 25AUG2004.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
Hi Barry,
Can you fill me in on the dates and details about the fly-in. I've
misplaced the information packet from JimBob...sure would like to attend.
Thanks,
Randy D.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Randy,
>
> I seem to recall John V. telling me he was contemplating a color scheme,
using
> original factory 'names' and they were going to comprise:
> Bluetone White, Polar White, Basic White and Alpine White.
>
> However, he hadn't decided which was going to be the base color, the
secondary
> color or the two sets of trim.
>
> How about putting it to the vote chaps?
>
> See ya there John!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
>
>
> |
> | Hi John,
> | Morris mentioned that you and he are interested in hitching a ride to
the
> | fly-in. Sounds great, if I can swing the time to work it into my
schedule.
> | What are the dates?? It's in Kansas City...right??
> |
> | Congrats on the new paint job...what are the colors.??
> |
> | RD
> |
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
> |
> |
> | >
> | > Hey Randy,
> | >
> | > Need anyone to share seats/gas? I'm looking for a ride out, as I'll be
> | > picking up my freshly painted airplane just prior to the
event....woohoo!
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> | > To: "Commander Chat"
> | > Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > >
> | > > I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can anybody
tell
> | > me the dates and information...thanks.
> | > >
> | > > I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
> | > >
> | > > Randy Dettmer
> | > > 680F/N6253X
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > __________ NOD32 1.829 (20040801) Information __________
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> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Thanks Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
> The fly-in is the 24-26th of Sept, the hotel is the K. C. Marriott
Downtown,
> phone is (816-421-6800). Info needs to be in by 25AUG2004.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy
> Dettmer, AIA
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
>
>
>
> Hi Barry,
> Can you fill me in on the dates and details about the fly-in. I've
> misplaced the information packet from JimBob...sure would like to attend.
>
> Thanks,
> Randy D.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Randy,
> >
> > I seem to recall John V. telling me he was contemplating a color scheme,
> using
> > original factory 'names' and they were going to comprise:
> > Bluetone White, Polar White, Basic White and Alpine White.
> >
> > However, he hadn't decided which was going to be the base color, the
> secondary
> > color or the two sets of trim.
> >
> > How about putting it to the vote chaps?
> >
> > See ya there John!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
> >
> >
> >
> > |
> > | Hi John,
> > | Morris mentioned that you and he are interested in hitching a ride to
> the
> > | fly-in. Sounds great, if I can swing the time to work it into my
> schedule.
> > | What are the dates?? It's in Kansas City...right??
> > |
> > | Congrats on the new paint job...what are the colors.??
> > |
> > | RD
> > |
> > |
> > | ----- Original Message -----
> > | From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> > | To:
> > | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-in
> > |
> > |
>
> > | >
> > | > Hey Randy,
> > | >
> > | > Need anyone to share seats/gas? I'm looking for a ride out, as I'll
be
> > | > picking up my freshly painted airplane just prior to the
> event....woohoo!
> > | >
> > | > ----- Original Message -----
> > | > From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > | > To: "Commander Chat"
> > | > Subject: Commander-List: Fly-in
> > | >
> > | >
> > | >
> > | > >
> > | > > I've misplaced my "2004 Commander Fly-in" information. Can
anybody
> tell
> > | > me the dates and information...thanks.
> > | > >
> > | > > I'd like to fly my 680F to the get-together.
> > | > >
> > | > > Randy Dettmer
> > | > > 680F/N6253X
> > | > >
> > | > >
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| From: | "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline |
As a new member you can take or leave what I have to say as
I may not have the right experience with the group to make an informed
response to what constitutes what should or should not be posted on our
chat-site. However=85
It would seem to me that a member that has a service to offer the other
members, one of which we can all derive a benefit from if we so choose
to partake of this service and are willing to pay for that service, said
member should be able to post that schedule of service for the other
members to review if indeed that service is offered at an irregular
basis. This is especially true for those services/products which promote
safety in flight and improved performance of an aircraft. After all, we
are asked when joining the Twin Commander Flight Group if in fact we
have a =93service or discount=94 for the other members which can be posted
in the membership listing.
Hope to see you all in Kansas City in September.
Jim Hasler
JHasler(at)gte.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I can't believe you guys are making an issue of this.
It is common "Netiquette" for mailing list managers to post the guidelines
for their mailing lists from time to time.
They own the list and they are permitting to make the rules.
Some lists I belong to mail a similar notice on the first day of each month,
and even supply my password to their archives as a courtesy to forgetful
listmembers.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
No one is making "an issue" out of this.
One member accidentally posted something that he intended to go privately
and he apologized for doing so.
I responded that the topic he was talking about was beneficial to other
members and I encouraged him to continue posting these types of Emails.
Other members agreed and more still are adding their opinions, great!, that
is what forums are all about.
I do not see anyone objecting to staying within the guidelines.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Official Usage Guideline
>
> I can't believe you guys are making an issue of this.
>
> It is common "Netiquette" for mailing list managers to post the guidelines
> for their mailing lists from time to time.
>
> They own the list and they are permitting to make the rules.
>
> Some lists I belong to mail a similar notice on the first day of each
month,
> and even supply my password to their archives as a courtesy to forgetful
> listmembers.
>
>
> --
> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
On 8/2/04 12:10, "Tom Fisher" wrote:
> One member accidentally posted something that he intended to go privately
> and he apologized for doing so.
I guess I missed that part.
DS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
I believe that is a healthy practice and encouragement of the members to
others is also healthy
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Official Usage Guideline
>
> As a new member you can take or leave what I have to say as
> I may not have the right experience with the group to make an informed
> response to what constitutes what should or should not be posted on our
> chat-site. However=85
>
> It would seem to me that a member that has a service to offer the other
> members, one of which we can all derive a benefit from if we so choose
> to partake of this service and are willing to pay for that service, said
> member should be able to post that schedule of service for the other
> members to review if indeed that service is offered at an irregular
> basis. This is especially true for those services/products which promote
> safety in flight and improved performance of an aircraft. After all, we
> are asked when joining the Twin Commander Flight Group if in fact we
> have a =93service or discount=94 for the other members which can be posted
> in the membership listing.
>
> Hope to see you all in Kansas City in September.
>
> Jim Hasler
> JHasler(at)gte.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
he should not have to appoligize for trying to help anyone in commander
land. mason
>From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Official Usage Guideline
>Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 12:21:57 -0500
>
>
>
>On 8/2/04 12:10, "Tom Fisher" wrote:
>
> > One member accidentally posted something that he intended to go
>privately
> > and he apologized for doing so.
>
>I guess I missed that part.
>
>
>DS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
Hello Everyone,
Its certainly not my intent to tick anyone off with the OUG. The monthly
posting is something I've done on the Lists for years, and serves as a
simple reminder that there are a few etiquette rules on the List. They are
not directed at anyone specifically at the time they are posted, so don't
let your conscious get the better of you! :-)
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
Well this has sparked more discussion than we have had on this list in a
year. Wish it was something to do with the planes we own.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Official Usage Guideline
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Its certainly not my intent to tick anyone off with the OUG. The monthly
> posting is something I've done on the Lists for years, and serves as a
> simple reminder that there are a few etiquette rules on the List. They
are
> not directed at anyone specifically at the time they are posted, so don't
> let your conscious get the better of you! :-)
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email Admin.
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
Bill Bow wrote:
> Well this has sparked more discussion than we have had on this list in a
> year. Wish it was something to do with the planes we own.
Hey, I try to toss a bone out into the yard from time to time just so
we'll have something to chew on.
How about this for a potential topic: I HATE MIL5606 hydraulic fluid.
It gets gooey and nasty apparently after exposure to air. Is there
anything that's approved as a better substitute? I'd think that many of
the modern synthetic oils would work better....
JB, when we gonna see some updates on the web site? How about posting
the fly-in information there?
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02-Aug-04 14:07:24 Pacific Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net
writes:
> How about this for a potential topic: I HATE MIL5606 hydraulic fluid.
> It gets gooey and nasty apparently after exposure to air. Is there
> anything that's approved as a better substitute? I'd think that many of
> the modern synthetic oils would work better....
>
What? A TPE-331 powered ice cream maker wasn't on topic?
OK, then. How do you feel about MIL 83282? It's approved for MIL 5606
applications, but it properties are so close that it may not fix your sticky
wickett.
Besides, Chris, if we stopped using 5606, Commanders wouldn't smell the way
they do.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> OK, then. How do you feel about MIL 83282? It's approved for MIL 5606
> applications, but it properties are so close that it may not fix your sticky
> wickett.
Thanks for sending me off on an interesting trek Keith! I've been
studying this topic for the last hour and have interesting stuff to report.
I had NO idea how many airplanes had burned to the ground due to 5606
fires! That stuff has a flash point of only 219 degrees F. You know
how hot a brake disk gets after landing....sometime glowing orange on a
Commander. A little leak in a brake caliper and
5606 also
sustains combustion once ignited.
The military got tired of burning airplanes and had several new fluids
developed - one of which is 83282. The flash point is 458 degrees and
it's self-extinguishing. According to Shell Petroleum, they're entirely
interchangable as well even though the 83282 is synthetic.
Yup, I think I'll be changing fluids. Not keen on all that highly
flamable fluid circulating through my airplane and ending up just by my
right knee above the electrical buss!
Specs from Shell for anyone interested:
http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellhydraulicfluids.pdf
cheers,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear Cylinder |
I have a 500B with a new Merlyn 320 conversion that is currently at
Aerotronics in Missoula MT for a major avionics upgrade (CNX80, MX20, PS
Engineering 7000B intercom & PXE7300 entertainment center, GTX330
transponder). While visiting it last Friday, I noticed that the left side
inboard MLG cylinder had a pretty good leak at the piston (forward) end of
the cylinder. Since they will want me to fly it with their technician
onboard to test the IFR functions of the new CNX80 for certification before
I can get it back to its home field (Hamilton MT, 6S5) for a repair, I may
need to remove it while it is there and reinstall it before that flight.
My service manual is in California, so my question to the list: Is there
constant pressure on these lines when the electric pump isn't running? Can I
remove the hydraulic lines to this cylinder and the cylinder itself without
having to bleed down any high pressure? If not, will I have to recharge the
accumulator before flying it after reinstallation? Lastly, is there any
danger in the landing gear stability of the plane on the ground while this
cylinder is removed?
I know this is a pretty simple concept that I should already understand, but
I am still new with Commander flying and service and am still learning. I'd
rather take the cylinder to my home field mechanic for repair than to have
some local mechanic in Missoula do it if it is possible.
Thanks,
Larry Wokral (who wants to make it to the TCFG fly-in if I can get it all
together my the August 25 commitment time)
PS: I read the Aeroshell report on 5606 hydraulic fluid alternatives that
someone here provided. If there are so much better alternatives, why hasn't
there been a universal substitution? I remember a wheel fire on a C119G
after the pilot's hard braking heated up the magnesium wheels and ignited
the fluid in the lines.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | RE: landing gear cylinder removal |
Hi Larry,
If you have pressure indicated on your hydraulic gauge, there will be
pressure on the extend portion of the inboard gear cylinders (when the gear
is down). The outboard gear cylinders have N2 pressure on the extend side
all the time from the emergency gear extend bottle in the baggage
compartment. If you want to remove the landing gear cylinder on the ground,
just bleed the pressure from the system using the following procedure:
With all power OFF (engine driven and aux pumps), move the flap handle
from the neutral position up or down VERY slowly until you hear the pressure
bleed down to zero (you can see this happen on the gauge and you can hear it
through the flap valve). It turns out the flap valve has a bleed port which
bleeds pressure just before going to the flap UP or flap DOWN position. If
you move the handle slowly, you will hear pressure relieve and see the gauge
go to zero 1/4" or so before getting to the flap UP or DOWN position. Now
the piston in the accumulator is at the end of its stroke with 600 psi
nitrogen on one side and 0 psi hydraulic fluid on the other.
There is no danger having the gear cylinder off on the ground because the
bungees hold the drag brace locked in the over center position. In addition,
you will still have the other cylinder on which is pressurized with N2 so
you couldn't retract the gear even if you wanted to. The only thing I
wouldn't do is remove both cylinders and the bungees at the same time.
If you go to the trouble of removing the gear cylinder and disassemble it,
you might as well just reseal the whole thing. Commander Aero has reseal
kits that contain all the o rings you need to do the job. If you take the
cylinder apart and metal parts look damaged, badly scored, etc. they have
exchange cylinders and piston rods for reasonable $$. Don't forget to remove
the hydraulic fittings before trying to disassemble the cylinder. The
fittings thread through the outer aluminum tube into an inner piston cap and
it won't come apart unless they are removed first. Personally, I am not a
big fan of reusing old, relatively cheap parts like hydraulic fittings,
fasteners, etc so I would replace them. Let me know if you want me to fax
you the pages from the parts manual. When you replace the hydraulic
fittings, you need to use some kind of sealant on the tapered threads. I
have used Fuel Lube and Hugh from Merlyn Products had the name of some kind
of thread sealant for hydraulic fluid use but I don't have it with me at the
moment. Maybe some of the other folks on the list have recommendations.
There should be no need to recharge the hydraulic accumulator after you do
this. However, this is not a bad time to make sure you have a good charge of
600 psi as it must be checked/filled when the hydraulic system pressure is
at 0 psi. If you don't have a 600 psi source of N2 at the avionics shop, I
wouldn't worry about it. Just put everything back together, top off the
reservoir, and cycle the gear in flight a few times to get rid of the air.
That is the great thing about the commander hydraulic system - you don't
have to bleed any part of the system except the brakes and nose wheel
steering cylinder after servicing.
This job shouldn't take more than a couple hours if you have all the parts
and a good supply of sockets, stubbie wrenches, and open end wrenches. Have
fun.
Scott
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Landing Gear Cylinder
I have a 500B with a new Merlyn 320 conversion that is currently at
Aerotronics in Missoula MT for a major avionics upgrade (CNX80, MX20, PS
Engineering 7000B intercom & PXE7300 entertainment center, GTX330
transponder). While visiting it last Friday, I noticed that the left side
inboard MLG cylinder had a pretty good leak at the piston (forward) end of
the cylinder. Since they will want me to fly it with their technician
onboard to test the IFR functions of the new CNX80 for certification before
I can get it back to its home field (Hamilton MT, 6S5) for a repair, I may
need to remove it while it is there and reinstall it before that flight.
My service manual is in California, so my question to the list: Is there
constant pressure on these lines when the electric pump isn't running? Can I
remove the hydraulic lines to this cylinder and the cylinder itself without
having to bleed down any high pressure? If not, will I have to recharge the
accumulator before flying it after reinstallation? Lastly, is there any
danger in the landing gear stability of the plane on the ground while this
cylinder is removed?
I know this is a pretty simple concept that I should already understand, but
I am still new with Commander flying and service and am still learning. I'd
rather take the cylinder to my home field mechanic for repair than to have
some local mechanic in Missoula do it if it is possible.
Thanks,
Larry Wokral (who wants to make it to the TCFG fly-in if I can get it all
together my the August 25 commitment time)
PS: I read the Aeroshell report on 5606 hydraulic fluid alternatives that
someone here provided. If there are so much better alternatives, why hasn't
there been a universal substitution? I remember a wheel fire on a C119G
after the pilot's hard braking heated up the magnesium wheels and ignited
the fluid in the lines.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
Fellow Commanders;
The weekend of July 24th & 25th, Honey and I flew N2707B to N.W. Ohio (VNW)
from 6A2 in GA. to attend our annual family reunion, just the two of us, no
grand kids. Anticipating a nice weekend I had contacted a favorite former High
School math and science teacher who had flown B-25's in WW II, planning for
the invasion of Japan which never happened fortunately. I invited him to come
fly with me. He accepted for Saturday morning and at about 500 ft. I asked him
if he would like to fly, to which he said, "Yes". We did a thousand foot sight
seeing trip around the area, over some family farms and then he did a great
landing with about a 5 to 8 knot crosswind. Guess it really is like "riding
a bicycle", he had not flown in twenty plus years. A wonderful time was had
by all. Just got a letter telling me how much he enjoyed it and if I ever needed
a 'co-pilot' again to please give him a call. We had a nice IFR flight up
and back at 10K (we zigzagged back and forth on a
003/183 degree heading) for about 3.5 hrs. and a nice 35 knot tailwind trip back
home for a 3:05 flight. The trip back, the controller would not let me overfly
Atlanta Hartsfield, so it added about fifteen minutes to the trip. It also
always involves giving lots of sight seeing rides. Just another one of the
little joys in life of owning a Commander.
Don
As an added note, I do have an extra key, if someone would like me to mail it to
you so you can get some copies, let me know, do remember seeing some previous
posts about needing a Commander key.
Lowell Girod
dongirod(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander trip |
In a message dated 8/5/2004 7:55:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dongirod(at)earthlink.net writes:
Fellow Commanders;
Nice story Don, thanks for sharing jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | COMMANDER FLOATPLANE?? |
HI KIDS.
Check out ebay, "aero commander" Float plane. Now this is
interesting?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Official Usage Guideline |
Folks,
I must say I agree with Jim, but I must declare a "conflict of interest".
I don't know how far I can go in explaining the conflict, other than to say
that I have considered making some parts ( that are no longer available
anywhere, I have corresponded with the company, and major service centres,
they have all referred me to non - identical substitutes ) for my own
rebuild, and would consider making them available to others, on a
restricted basis. I am not an aviation maintenance or parts business, and
don't intend to become one, nor do I intend to "conventionally" advertise,
word of mouth will have top do.
But --- it would be be waste to see some tooling used only for a couple of
aircraft in Australia.
I await comments with interest.
Best regards,
Bill Hamilton.
At 02:19 3/08/2004, you wrote:
>
> As a new member you can take or leave what I have to say as
>I may not have the right experience with the group to make an informed
>response to what constitutes what should or should not be posted on our
>chat-site. However=85
>
>It would seem to me that a member that has a service to offer the other
>members, one of which we can all derive a benefit from if we so choose
>to partake of this service and are willing to pay for that service, said
>member should be able to post that schedule of service for the other
>members to review if indeed that service is offered at an irregular
>basis. This is especially true for those services/products which promote
>safety in flight and improved performance of an aircraft. After all, we
>are asked when joining the Twin Commander Flight Group if in fact we
>have a =93service or discount=94 for the other members which can be posted
>in the membership listing.
>
>Hope to see you all in Kansas City in September.
>
>Jim Hasler
>JHasler(at)gte.net
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | COMMANDER FLOATPLANE?? |
One of my books, either the parts or service, has a drawn type picture of a
Commander on floats. That page hides from me because I can not find it when
I want it.
Jim A
N444BD
500A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE??
HI KIDS.
Check out ebay, "aero commander" Float plane. Now this is
interesting?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE?? |
In a message dated 8/6/2004 7:23:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
One of my books, either the parts or service, has a drawn type picture of a
Commander on floats. That page hides from me because I can not find it when
I want it.
I would love to see that!! This is not on floats but instead, has been
converted into a flying boat?? I actually looks like it would maybe work?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE?? |
So where is the picture?
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE??
>
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2004 7:23:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
>
> One of my books, either the parts or service, has a drawn type picture of
a
> Commander on floats. That page hides from me because I can not find it
when
> I want it.
>
>
> I would love to see that!! This is not on floats but instead, has been
> converted into a flying boat?? I actually looks like it would maybe
work?? jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE?? |
I want one!
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE??
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Check out ebay, "aero commander" Float plane. Now this is
> interesting?? jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | COMMANDER FLOATPLANE?? |
I am still looking but as I said it disappears when I start to look for it.
Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER FLOATPLANE??
So where is the picture?
----- Original Message -----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez |
Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez contact info. If you see this email Jimmy please shoot
me a quick message.
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez |
In a message dated 8/7/2004 12:55:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net writes:
Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez contact info. If you see this email Jimmy please
shoot me a quick message.
He is out of town for another 2 weeks in Spain. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
Gentlemen,
Doe's anyone know where I can find two cowling latches, The Hook Type, Not the
"T", If you have an Idea I would appreciate a response at capnspray(at)hotmail.com
or (706) 857-1466
Thank you in advance,
Jerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Is anyone familiar with the Rockwell/Commander/fuji 700 series?
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
The local FBO has one. They like it.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil
Stubbs
Subject: Commander-List: 700
Is anyone familiar with the Rockwell/Commander/fuji 700 series?
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Derek Monk <britmonk(at)adelphia.net> |
I have some Company brochures containing basic specs, etc. Also a
cutaway drawing and early photos, plus a bit of history of the program.
Would you like me to scan the basic specs?
Derek Monk
Phil Stubbs wrote:
>
>Is anyone familiar with the Rockwell/Commander/fuji 700 series?
>
>
>Phil Stubbs
>br549phil(at)mindspring.com
>Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I believe we may have some. I will check and see.
Gary
Commander Aero
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Subject: Commander-List: Cowling Latches
Gentlemen,
Doe's anyone know where I can find two cowling latches, The Hook Type, Not
the "T", If you have an Idea I would appreciate a response at
capnspray(at)hotmail.com
or (706) 857-1466
Thank you in advance,
Jerry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez |
Hi Kevin,
I'm back at the office. You can reach me at 787-766-4141.
Best regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Coons [mailto:kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net]
Subject: Commander-List: Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez
Looking for Jimmy Rodriguez contact info. If you see this email Jimmy
please shoot me a quick message.
Kevin Coons
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
I'm trying to compile as many photos of Aero Commanders that I can.
Hopefully one of each Commander built. Its a tall order, but I already have several
hundred. If anyone would like to contribute to my cause, it would be most
appreciated.
I'm really interested in any Jet Commanders that anyone might have.
Thanks,
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cowling Latches |
In a message dated 8/7/2004 6:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
capnspray(at)hotmail.com writes:
Doe's anyone know where I can find two cowling latches, The Hook Type, Not
the "T", If you have an Idea I would appreciate a response at
capnspray(at)hotmail.com
or (706) 857-1466
Call Commander Aero or Jack Chappell. Borh have ads in the newsletter.
Good luck. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Abbotsford Airshow |
Anybody going to the Abbotsford (British Columbia) Airshow this weekend? We plan
to go on Saturday.
God bless,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Abbotsford Airshow |
Drop by the CASARA (Civil Air Search And Rescue Association) booth and say
hi they are all my people, it's the operation that the 680FLP is for.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Abbotsford Airshow
>
> Anybody going to the Abbotsford (British Columbia) Airshow this weekend?
We plan to go on Saturday.
>
> God bless,
> Andrew
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowling Latches |
Capt I Have The TO Type the are the same if you have both parts, I will see
I\if I can find a pair.
Thanks
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowling Latches
>
>
> In a message dated 8/7/2004 6:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> capnspray(at)hotmail.com writes:
>
> Doe's anyone know where I can find two cowling latches, The Hook Type,
Not
> the "T", If you have an Idea I would appreciate a response at
> capnspray(at)hotmail.com
> or (706) 857-1466
>
>
> Call Commander Aero or Jack Chappell. Borh have ads in the newsletter.
> Good luck. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
| From: | tom_kinnaird(at)bankone.com |
(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/11/2004 08:26:38 AM
What is your address?
Tom Kinnaird
Commercial Real Estate - Louisville
502-566-5879
BertBerry1(at)aol.com@matronics.com on 08/10/2004 10:35:04 PM
Please respond to commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent by: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
cc:
Subject: Commander-List: (no subject)
I'm trying to compile as many photos of Aero Commanders that I can.
Hopefully one of each Commander built. Its a tall order, but I already
have several
hundred. If anyone would like to contribute to my cause, it would be most
appreciated.
I'm really interested in any Jet Commanders that anyone might have.
Thanks,
Bert Berry
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| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowling Latches |
I would like to thank those who responded to my request for parts, I think
that this list of Commander owners and enthusiast are just great people when
you are in need.
I have found the Latches in New Mexico, and
they will be installed this week.
Thanks to all;
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowling Latches
>
> Capt I Have The TO Type the are the same if you have both parts, I will
see
> I\if I can find a pair.
> Thanks
> Harry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowling Latches
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/7/2004 6:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > capnspray(at)hotmail.com writes:
> >
> > Doe's anyone know where I can find two cowling latches, The Hook Type,
> Not
> > the "T", If you have an Idea I would appreciate a response at
> > capnspray(at)hotmail.com
> > or (706) 857-1466
> >
> >
> > Call Commander Aero or Jack Chappell. Borh have ads in the newsletter.
> > Good luck. jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
>
> Anybody going to the Abbotsford (British Columbia) Airshow this
> weekend? We plan
> to go on Saturday.
>
Andrew, we will be there with 2 or 3 of our L-39's....look for the
beauties in the static display area...
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Shared Squadrons
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Go to google.com, click on more... then images and enter aero commander. See if
they have stuff that ought to be in your collection.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: (no subject)
>
> I'm trying to compile as many photos of Aero Commanders that I can.
> Hopefully one of each Commander built. Its a tall order, but I already have
several
> hundred. If anyone would like to contribute to my cause, it would be most
> appreciated.
>
> I'm really interested in any Jet Commanders that anyone might have.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert Berry
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cowling Latches |
Jerry
Let me know if latches worked OK
N261JG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Thanks Much
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
www.airliners.net has a whole bunch of photos.
Search on Aero Commander and 180 plus come up.
Tylor Hall
BertBerry1(at)aol.com wrote:
Thanks Much
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Anyone heard from Morris lately? I have left him several messages, but
still "no joy".....
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I talked to him briefly yesterday; he's up to his elbows in airplanes. He's
got mine & Randy Dettmer's, both of which he's trying to finish the annuals
on under pretty tight deadlines. Keep trying. Best way is his cell,
321-403-8813.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Morris
>
> Anyone heard from Morris lately? I have left him several messages, but
> still "no joy".....
>
>
> Barry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Well, I finally found it. The sketch of the Commander on floats is on page
10-27, Section X of volume II, Illustrated parts Catalog, change 7 April
1980.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Addington [mailto:jtaddington(at)charter.net]
Subject:
Well, I finally found it. The sketch of the Commander on floats is on page
10-27, Section X of volume II, Illustrated parts Catalog, change 7 April
1980.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
I looked in my other catalog and it did not show the floats so I don't know
if some one just drew it in or what.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
I looked at my illustrated parts catalog and did not find a Commander on
floats in section X page 10-27 April 7, 1980. Please bring your sketch to
the fly-in. This I must see.
Kevin Coons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: Commander-List: FW:
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Addington [mailto:jtaddington(at)charter.net]
Subject:
Well, I finally found it. The sketch of the Commander on floats is on page
10-27, Section X of volume II, Illustrated parts Catalog, change 7 April
1980.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
I looked in my other catalog and it did not show the floats so I don't know
if some one just drew it in or what.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
No. Scan the picture in and post to aerocommander.com. I can't wait to see that!
Brock Lorber
N400CH
-----Original Message-----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:27:26
To:
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW:
I looked at my illustrated parts catalog and did not find a Commander on
floats in section X page 10-27 April 7, 1980. Please bring your sketch to
the fly-in. This I must see.
Kevin Coons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: Commander-List: FW:
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Addington [mailto:jtaddington(at)charter.net]
Subject:
Well, I finally found it. The sketch of the Commander on floats is on page
10-27, Section X of volume II, Illustrated parts Catalog, change 7 April
1980.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
I looked in my other catalog and it did not show the floats so I don't know
if some one just drew it in or what.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Sex, Lies and Aero Commanders |
In a message dated 18-Aug-04 18:00:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
> Well, I finally found it. The sketch of the Commander on floats is on page
> 10-27, Section X of volume II, Illustrated parts Catalog, change 7 April
> 1980.
>
OK. OK. Now is this a sketch of someone's fantasy, or are there part numbers
assigned to the components?
You don't know how many myths I've heard about the Aero Commander. As I sat
-- anonymously -- in an FBO lounge yeas ago, I heard an expert proclaim to all
gathered that the Aero Commander was originally designed as a sea plane ...
"you can tell by looking at it ..."
I've also been told that the Aero Commander has the same landing gear as the
B-25. The list goes on.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Sex, Lies and Aero Commanders |
When I copied it and darkened it I think I have been had. It really looks
like someone just drew it in but did a good job and there are no part
numbers.
Sorry about that.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Sex, Lies and Aero Commanders
In a message dated 18-Aug-04 18:00:05 Pacific Daylight Time,
jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
> Well, I finally found it. The sketch of the Commander on floats is on page
> 10-27, Section X of volume II, Illustrated parts Catalog, change 7 April
> 1980.
>
OK. OK. Now is this a sketch of someone's fantasy, or are there part
numbers
assigned to the components?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Anyone hear anything about this one? |
************************************************************************
********
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 67TC Make/Model: AC69 Description: AERO COMMANDER
690A
Date: 08/16/2004 Time: 1555
Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing:
N
Damage: Unknown
LOCATION
City: NAPLES State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT DURING TAXI TO RUNWAY, CAUGHT FIRE, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE
UNKNOWN,
NAPLES, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
OTHER DATA
Activity: Unknown Phase: Taxi Operation: General Aviation
Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx
Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: UNK
Last Clearance: UNK
FAA FSDO: MIAMI, FL (SO19) Entry date: 08/17/2004
Deneal Schilmeister
1997 SL500 68k
St. Louis & Cincinnati
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Several of you have contacted me about the room discount in KC. The
Marriott has agreed to give us a break but when you called, there was no
record. Well, it seems that the TWIN Commander Flight Group became the TWO
Commander Flight Group!! Life is lived in the details!! Anyway, it is OK now
so
make you reservations. Sorry for the confusion.
Anybody not registered that plan to go?? WC Gordon??? Chris S?? Now is
the time. The registration is great this year. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
In a message dated 18-Aug-04 22:54:37 Pacific Daylight Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
> Anybody not registered that plan to go?? WC Gordon???
Capt. JimBob,
That's the kind of long range planning that I can't do anymore. It's that
darn day job of mine.
We're operating 3 Falcons with 5 pilots. The math doesn't favor me getting
away, but gaps do form in the trip schedule and I'll be there if I can.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
I know this is probably a long shot, but, does anyone here happen to know
Bob Merryman? He was a test pilot for Aero Commander and then he sold Jet
Commanders and Westwinds in OKC. He is a friend of my Dad's and has recently
vanished. Just thought maybe someone might know him.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
In a message dated 8/19/2004 6:35:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
I'll be there if I can.
IT WOULD BE SO GREAT TO SEE YOU!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/20/2004 1:02:25 AM Pacific Standard Time,
daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com writes:
I have just got my Sept schedlule and plan to attend. I presently am in
Japan but will send registration when I get back next week. I plan to fly my
commander on the 23rd from Colorado Springs. I think Tylor Hall will come with
me and I will have four more seats if anyone in the area wants a ride.
sincerely
dan farmer
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:02:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: KC
--0-2016884425-1092988943=:72357
Jim
I have just got my Sept schedlule and plan to attend. I presently am in Japan
but will send registration when I get back next week. I plan to fly my commander
on the 23rd from Colorado Springs. I think Tylor Hall will come with me and
I will have four more seats if anyone in the area wants a ride.
sincerely
dan farmer
--0-2016884425-1092988943=:72357
Jim
I have just got my Sept schedlule and plan to attend. I presently am in Japan but
will send registration when I get back next week. I plan to fly my commander
on the 23rd from Colorado Springs. I think Tylor Hall will come with me and
I will have four more seats if anyone in the area wants a ride.
sincerely
dan farmer
--0-2016884425-1092988943=:72357--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Commander Fly-in |
Is it too late to sign up for the Commander Fly in? The avionics shop still
has my 500B, but, finally, they feel comfortable enough with their progress
on my avionics upgrade to "guarantee" that I will have it back in time for
the trip to KC.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Fly-in |
In a message dated 8/27/2004 9:10:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
Is it too late to sign up for the Commander Fly in? The avionics shop still
has my 500B, but, finally, they feel comfortable enough with their progress
on my avionics upgrade to "guarantee" that I will have it back in time for
the trip to KC
NOT AT ALL!! What is your "snail mail" address and I will send a reg. form.
You should already have one. I really hope you will come!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
>Is it too late to sign up for the Commander Fly in?>
>NOT AT ALL!! What is your "snail mail" address and I will send a reg.
form.
You should already have one. I really hope you will come!! jb>
I still have the one that was sent with the newsletter. I'll get it out
Thanks,
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 8/29/2004 8:58:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
I still have the one that was sent with the newsletter. I'll get it out
Thanks Larry, jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> Anybody not registered that plan to go?? WC Gordon??? Chris S??
Sorry for the delay in responding JB.
Looks like I'm going to be unable to attend this year. My dear father
has been diagnosed with lung cancer due to large exposures of ionizing
radiation during his military career. Right now, my place is at his
side being a supportive son and doing everything I can for him.
I'm sure going to miss seeing everyone. Was really looking forward to
seeing all of you! Please keep my dad in your thoughts and prayers -
he's a truely wonderful person, a very special parent, and has given up
a lot to serve his country.
Chris Schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
In a message dated 8/29/2004 6:38:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
Please keep my dad in your thoughts and prayers -
he's a truely wonderful person, a very special parent, and has given up
a lot to serve his country.
I will do that. I am so sorry to hear of his illness. You will be missed
as always and I hope you can make next years event, where ever it may be. I
hope your life is otherwise going really well Chris. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Chris,
Our thoughts are with you and Max. We hope he will be back corresponding on
the list real soon!
Cheers
Russell
On 30/8/04 11:10 AM, "Chris Schuermann" wrote:
>
>
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Anybody not registered that plan to go?? WC Gordon??? Chris S??
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding JB.
> Looks like I'm going to be unable to attend this year. My dear father
> has been diagnosed with lung cancer due to large exposures of ionizing
> radiation during his military career. Right now, my place is at his
> side being a supportive son and doing everything I can for him.
> I'm sure going to miss seeing everyone. Was really looking forward to
> seeing all of you! Please keep my dad in your thoughts and prayers -
> he's a truely wonderful person, a very special parent, and has given up
> a lot to serve his country.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
chris, your dad s in our prayers. anything i can do? mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN ROOMS
G'day Chris,
Our thoughts are with you and Max. We hope he will be back corresponding on
the list real soon!
Cheers
Russell
On 30/8/04 11:10 AM, "Chris Schuermann" wrote:
>
>
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Anybody not registered that plan to go?? WC Gordon??? Chris S??
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding JB.
> Looks like I'm going to be unable to attend this year. My dear father
> has been diagnosed with lung cancer due to large exposures of ionizing
> radiation during his military career. Right now, my place is at his
> side being a supportive son and doing everything I can for him.
> I'm sure going to miss seeing everyone. Was really looking forward to
> seeing all of you! Please keep my dad in your thoughts and prayers -
> he's a truely wonderful person, a very special parent, and has given up
> a lot to serve his country.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FLY-IN ROOMS |
We will keep him and all of you in our prayers.
God bless you all.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN ROOMS
>
>
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Anybody not registered that plan to go?? WC Gordon??? Chris S??
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding JB.
> Looks like I'm going to be unable to attend this year. My dear father
> has been diagnosed with lung cancer due to large exposures of ionizing
> radiation during his military career. Right now, my place is at his
> side being a supportive son and doing everything I can for him.
> I'm sure going to miss seeing everyone. Was really looking forward to
> seeing all of you! Please keep my dad in your thoughts and prayers -
> he's a truely wonderful person, a very special parent, and has given up
> a lot to serve his country.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | March ARB., Riverside |
Hi,
If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they could do me
a big favor next time they visit.
It is home to one of the three Models 520 supplied to the US Army, being serial
number 21, Army serial 52-6218 ("0-26218").
I would like to know whether this aircraft has a trim tab on the left-hand
elevator only, or if there is one on each elevator.
If it is possible to take a photograph of the elevators, both in the same shot,
then each elevator separately, that would be a bonus.
Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the right-hand elevator,
but I would dearly like conformation of that.
I would get over myself this weekend, but......................
Very Best Regards,
Barry C.
UK CommanderLand Rep.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
I may be able to check next week depending on huricane Frances.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they could
> do me
> a big favor next time they visit.
>
> It is home to one of the three Models 520 supplied to the US Army, being
> serial
> number 21, Army serial 52-6218 ("0-26218").
>
> I would like to know whether this aircraft has a trim tab on the left-hand
> elevator only, or if there is one on each elevator.
>
> If it is possible to take a photograph of the elevators, both in the same
> shot,
> then each elevator separately, that would be a bonus.
>
> Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
> right-hand elevator,
> but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>
> I would get over myself this weekend, but......................
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry C.
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
Barry Collman wrote:
> Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the right-hand
elevator,
> but I would dearly like conformation of that.
I'm really curious to hear the answer to this. My old 520 had tabs on
both elevators, but the right one was disabled and had a skin segment
riveted over it. After considerably study of manuals, many phone calls,
and much head scratching, we never did determine how that came to be.
One plausible story I heard was that when a certain autopilot was
installed, one trim tab was disabled to assure that the pilot could
over-ride a runaway trim condition. Never was able to confirm that or
determine if my bird had that autopilot.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
In a message dated 01-Sep-04 14:11:30 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they could
> do me
> a big favor next time they visit.
>
Sir Barry,
I found this via the web ... perhaps you can contact them for more info if
none of us can get over there.
Aircraft: Rockwell U-9B Aero Commander
They need some help with the historical text that accompanies this photo.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
Sir Barry and all,
The URL I sent didn't get transmitted for March AFB, so here it is:
http://www.marchfield.org/u9.htm
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com> |
| Subject: | March ARB., Riverside |
Bilbo,
It just missed us down here. I hope it's the same for you.
Best Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
I may be able to check next week depending on huricane Frances.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi,
>
> If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they
could
> do me
> a big favor next time they visit.
>
> It is home to one of the three Models 520 supplied to the US Army,
being
> serial
> number 21, Army serial 52-6218 ("0-26218").
>
> I would like to know whether this aircraft has a trim tab on the
left-hand
> elevator only, or if there is one on each elevator.
>
> If it is possible to take a photograph of the elevators, both in the
same
> shot,
> then each elevator separately, that would be a bonus.
>
> Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
> right-hand elevator,
> but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>
> I would get over myself this weekend, but......................
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry C.
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
Glad to hear it Jimmy
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
>
>
> Bilbo,
>
> It just missed us down here. I hope it's the same for you.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
>
>
>
> I may be able to check next week depending on huricane Frances.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
>
>
>> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If anyone is within easy reach of March ARB., I wonder whether they
> could
>> do me
>> a big favor next time they visit.
>>
>> It is home to one of the three Models 520 supplied to the US Army,
> being
>> serial
>> number 21, Army serial 52-6218 ("0-26218").
>>
>> I would like to know whether this aircraft has a trim tab on the
> left-hand
>> elevator only, or if there is one on each elevator.
>>
>> If it is possible to take a photograph of the elevators, both in the
> same
>> shot,
>> then each elevator separately, that would be a bonus.
>>
>> Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
>> right-hand elevator,
>> but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>>
>> I would get over myself this weekend, but......................
>>
>> Very Best Regards,
>> Barry C.
>> UK CommanderLand Rep.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
Barry,
Interesting question! My 520 only had one tab and I don't think it ever had
an auto-pilot installed. (At least I never found the remnants of one. It
will nice to discover the answer.
Trust you are doing well in 'Jolly Old".
It appears monetary considerations are going to preclude my attendance at
the Fly-In this year. Seems I'll be getting my check ride and recurrent
training on those dates, so tip a few for me.
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
Hi Guys,
Thanks to all for the replies.
The question arose because it seems that the early Aero Design & Engineering
Company Model 520 had electric trim systems, using Army surplus actuators, but
only had enough for the first 18 aircraft, with a few held back for spares.
However, it seems that the 18 they used may not necessarily have been on the
first 18 built! All the others went to a new-design system with trim tabs on
both elevators.
The figure of 18 has been quoted after many mists of time have descended and
could possibly have been 20 or 21.
Three Models 520 were supplied to the U.S. Army, s/ns 17, 21 & 23. But, s/n 21
does not seem to have a trim tab on the right-hand elevator, so I doubt if the
other two did. At least, it doesn't appear to have one now.
Chris - yours was s/n 93, so should have had the tabs on each elevator when
built.
Crunk - yours was s/n 39, so should also have had the same tabs. Of course, much
could have happened to the metal work over 50 years, but it is intriguing that
you say it only had the one tab!
A can of worms, or a barrel of snakes?
So, if anyone stumbles across an old 520, PLEASE, check the tabs! All reports
gratefully received.
I think there are a few 520 owners subscribed to this list, so if can report
back, I'll be grateful.
Looking forward to seeing a whole bunch of old friends at the Fly-In!
Kindest Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
|
| Barry,
| Interesting question! My 520 only had one tab and I don't think it ever had
| an auto-pilot installed. (At least I never found the remnants of one. It
| will nice to discover the answer.
| Trust you are doing well in 'Jolly Old".
| It appears monetary considerations are going to preclude my attendance at
| the Fly-In this year. Seems I'll be getting my check ride and recurrent
| training on those dates, so tip a few for me.
| Crunk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
Wanted:
Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he can
fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his head
(extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while). Must
make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received it.
Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
- No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
- Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
troubleshooting skills.
- If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects than
you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
- Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
said you'd call).
If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above (regardless
of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with one
more shop!
Thanks,
Brock Lorber
N400CH
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
Brock,
If you can't find one please sell me the plane.
Tom Fisher
604-649-9320
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
All right. Come pick it up! I'll leave the keys in it!
Thanks for the laugh! I needed it.
>
> Brock,
> If you can't find one please sell me the plane.
> Tom Fisher
> 604-649-9320
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
>
> >
> > Wanted:
> >
> > Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> > that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> > Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
can
> > fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
head
> > (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> > make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> > Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
it.
> > Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
> >
> > - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> > maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> > - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> > troubleshooting skills.
> > - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> > you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> > - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> > and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> > said you'd call).
> >
> >
> > If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
(regardless
> > of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
one
> > more shop!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Does anyone have a spare Wulfsberg WT-200 Comm radio?
Phil
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
Are you sure Orlando isn't too far away?
bilob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
>
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| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
Let's see:
Round-trip, last minute ticket: $700
Hotel: $80/night
Per Diem: ~ $50/day
Tools: $0 (if I don't have them, they don't exist)
Shop Rate: wash
Parts: wash
Fuel to get to my hangar: $0 (vs. $500 to get to my most recent mechanic)
So, labor + parts + $830 to $960 and job gets done right, or labor + parts
+ $630 to $760 and job doesn't get done. No, I don't think Orlando is too
far away if the guy fits the job description!
Brock
>
> Are you sure Orlando isn't too far away?
>
> bilob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
> >
> >
> > Wanted:
> >
> > Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> > that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> > Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
can
> > fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
head
> > (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> > Must
> > make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> > Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
it.
> > Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
> >
> > - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> > maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> > - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> > troubleshooting skills.
> > - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> > than
> > you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> > - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> > and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> > said you'd call).
> >
> >
> > If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
(regardless
> > of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
one
> > more shop!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
In a message dated 02-Sep-04 18:32:18 Pacific Daylight Time,
blorber(at)vegasfc.com writes:
> No, I don't think Orlando is too far away if the guy fits the job
> description!
>
I think the idea was to let Frances go to work on your airplane ...
Brock,
I tried to call the phone number you gave me when you were shopping for
N400CH and it's not in service. Give me a call. home: 702-307-8208, cell:
702-496-9112 (and no heavy breathing at 03:00 you guys). Am going to be flying
for
the next 6 days but we'll discuss the unique nature of maintenance on a Mr RPM
FLP.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
Brock:
Sorry if I missed it: where are you based? I am in Southern Cal and the
mechanic I am working with here, Fred Holstein, is first rate. He has
been doing a great job on my 500A Colemill, but has no experience on any
other Commanders.
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock Lorber - VegasFC [mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com]
Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
Wanted:
Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
can
fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
head
(extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
Must
make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
it.
Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
- No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
- Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
troubleshooting skills.
- If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
than
you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
- Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
said you'd call).
If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
(regardless
of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
one
more shop!
Thanks,
Brock Lorber
N400CH
==
==
==
==
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| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
Las Vegas. Socal is plenty close, but, if at all possible, I want to have
someone familiar with the actual model (I've trained half the mechanics in
Vegas on it already, I don't need to franchise my pain :) Commander Gordon
said it best last night: experience w/Commanders is rare, experience
w/680FL(P) is limited to a handful of guys. Even so, I need to at least
search for them!
Please send me Fred's contact info. If I don't find anyone, I'll give him
a yell.
Thank you,
Brock
>
> Brock:
>
> Sorry if I missed it: where are you based? I am in Southern Cal and the
> mechanic I am working with here, Fred Holstein, is first rate. He has
> been doing a great job on my 500A Colemill, but has no experience on any
> other Commanders.
>
> ak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brock Lorber - VegasFC [mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com]
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
>
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
> can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
> head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
> it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
> (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
> one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
Well, there's always Morris (Commander Services)....who's probably worked on
every 680FLP they built! Easy flight from LV to Stockton...
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
> Las Vegas. Socal is plenty close, but, if at all possible, I want to have
> someone familiar with the actual model (I've trained half the mechanics in
> Vegas on it already, I don't need to franchise my pain :) Commander
Gordon
> said it best last night: experience w/Commanders is rare, experience
> w/680FL(P) is limited to a handful of guys. Even so, I need to at least
> search for them!
>
> Please send me Fred's contact info. If I don't find anyone, I'll give him
> a yell.
>
> Thank you,
> Brock
>
>
> >
> > Brock:
> >
> > Sorry if I missed it: where are you based? I am in Southern Cal and the
> > mechanic I am working with here, Fred Holstein, is first rate. He has
> > been doing a great job on my 500A Colemill, but has no experience on any
> > other Commanders.
> >
> > ak
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brock Lorber - VegasFC [mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com]
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
> >
> >
> >
> > Wanted:
> >
> > Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> > that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
> >
> > Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
> > can
> > fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
> > head
> > (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> > Must
> > make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> > Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
> > it.
> > Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
> >
> > - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> > maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> > - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> > troubleshooting skills.
> > - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> > than
> > you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> > - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> > and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> > said you'd call).
> >
> >
> > If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
> > (regardless
> > of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
> > one
> > more shop!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> >
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
Fred is available at 714/390-6798. He is both an A&P and IA, as is his
son Jeff, who works with him. They have an active [read busy] practice
based at SNA. They have taken care of many things on my 500A,
including:
* R
* rebuild the power brake cylinder;
* replace the fuel filter bodies;
* find and fix electrical problems;
If you end up doing something with him, I only ask that you make it
absolutely clear that my bird is higher priority than yours. ;>)
Good luck. Finding a reliable, talented, commonsense mechanic [who has
one more just like that in the family] is not an easy task. I'm spoiled.
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock Lorber - VegasFC [mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com]
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
Las Vegas. Socal is plenty close, but, if at all possible, I want to
have
someone familiar with the actual model (I've trained half the mechanics
in
Vegas on it already, I don't need to franchise my pain :) Commander
Gordon
said it best last night: experience w/Commanders is rare, experience
w/680FL(P) is limited to a handful of guys. Even so, I need to at least
search for them!
Please send me Fred's contact info. If I don't find anyone, I'll give
him
a yell.
Thank you,
Brock
>
> Brock:
>
> Sorry if I missed it: where are you based? I am in Southern Cal and
the
> mechanic I am working with here, Fred Holstein, is first rate. He has
> been doing a great job on my 500A Colemill, but has no experience on
any
> other Commanders.
>
> ak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brock Lorber - VegasFC [mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com]
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must
realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be
treasured.
>
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
> can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
> head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the
paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
> it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and
engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the
phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when
you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
> (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
> one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
==
==
==
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Any Mechanic Recommendations? |
If N400CH use to N222AD we performed the original modification.
Gary Kromer
Coomander Aero
888.881.5580
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brock
Lorber - VegasFC
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
Las Vegas. Socal is plenty close, but, if at all possible, I want to have
someone familiar with the actual model (I've trained half the mechanics in
Vegas on it already, I don't need to franchise my pain :) Commander Gordon
said it best last night: experience w/Commanders is rare, experience
w/680FL(P) is limited to a handful of guys. Even so, I need to at least
search for them!
Please send me Fred's contact info. If I don't find anyone, I'll give him
a yell.
Thank you,
Brock
>
> Brock:
>
> Sorry if I missed it: where are you based? I am in Southern Cal and the
> mechanic I am working with here, Fred Holstein, is first rate. He has
> been doing a great job on my 500A Colemill, but has no experience on any
> other Commanders.
>
> ak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brock Lorber - VegasFC [mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com]
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Any Mechanic Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Wanted:
>
> Aircraft mechanic for AC 680 FL(P) with Mr RPM conversion. Must realize
> that quick pay/sure pay is a good, rare customer that must be treasured.
>
> Must realize that badmouthing the mechanic before is ironic unless he
> can
> fix the problem himself. Must be willing to admit when he's over his
> head
> (extra points for consulting the maintenance manual once in a while).
> Must
> make a committment to finish any job tackled (including the paperwork).
> Must return the aircraft in at least as good of shape as you received
> it.
> Underpromising and overdelivering highly desired.
>
> - No training pay provided. If you don't know the airframe and engines,
> maybe YOU can pay for your schooling like I have.
> - Parts swappers need not apply. I can guess; applicant must have
> troubleshooting skills.
> - If you don't want the job, or don't have time, or have more projects
> than
> you could ever possibly complete, please do not apply.
> - Must pass basic communications test that includes answering the phone,
> and returning messages (completion standard: +/- 48 hours from when you
> said you'd call).
>
>
> If anyone knows someone that could pass the requirements above
> (regardless
> of location) please let me know. If you can't guess, I've had it with
> one
> more shop!
>
> Thanks,
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone hear anything about this one? |
Hi Deneal et al,
I made enquiries on this report, as N67TC is based here in the UK.
It has never been to Naples in Florida (or even the one in Italy!), so the
registration marks quoted must be in error and either another type of aircraft
involved, or if it was a Commander, then the registration mark is wrong.
Does anyone know the correct version?
Best Regards,
Barry C.
UK CommanderLand Rep.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone hear anything about this one?
|
| ************************************************************************
| ********
|
| IDENTIFICATION
| Regis#: 67TC Make/Model: AC69 Description: AERO COMMANDER
| 690A
| Date: 08/16/2004 Time: 1555
|
| Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing:
| N
| Damage: Unknown
|
| LOCATION
| City: NAPLES State: FL Country: US
|
| DESCRIPTION
| ACFT DURING TAXI TO RUNWAY, CAUGHT FIRE, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE
| UNKNOWN,
| NAPLES, FL
|
| INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
| # Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
| Unk:
| # Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
| Unk:
| # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
| Unk:
|
| WEATHER: NOT REPORTED
|
|
|
|
| OTHER DATA
| Activity: Unknown Phase: Taxi Operation: General Aviation
|
| Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
| Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx
| Briefing: U
| Last Radio Cont: UNK
| Last Clearance: UNK
|
| FAA FSDO: MIAMI, FL (SO19) Entry date: 08/17/2004
|
|
| Deneal Schilmeister
|
| 1997 SL500 68k
|
| St. Louis & Cincinnati
|
| http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Land Shorter <landshorter2(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's |
I may be in a grumpy mood, having to do with dumping my personal weekend
plans to jet several sets of golf clubs and their operators all over the place,
but ...
... as someone who has begged for research on vortex generators for the
Commanders for over 10 years, I'm a bit put off by the notion one can buy a bunch
of thingies and stick them on their airplane (especially a multi engine
airplane) and go test fly.
A quote from Boundary Layer Research's web site: "
> The layout of our VGs is determined for each aircraft through extensive
> flight testing and substantial supporting engineering studies and reports. Each
> of our kits is certified by the FAA with an STC for that model aircraft."
Around 1993 I brought an AC-680FP to Charles White of Microaerodynamics
(Anacortes, WA) to evaluate the Commander for VGs -- I had a client who operated
off an extremely short strip.
His assessment was that "the wing is as good as it gets" but that he thought
Vmc could be eliminated by placing VGs on the vertical stabililzier, or, on
the leading edge of the rudder -- with lots of testing to be done.
In this business (run by an bunch of Boeing engineers) the VG placement is
modeled, then test flown with a fully flight test instrumented and tufted
aircraft.
The bottom line was the bottom line -- there wasn't the fleet numbers to
justify the R&D costs for the Commanders.
I still would like to see VGs explored for the Commanders, but it's not
something I'd ask any of my friends to experiment with. Jeeeeezzzz I'm getting
conservative, aren't I?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New product announcement: affordable VG's |
You never get something(STC) for nothing($95.00). It's the difference
between chicken s**t and chicken salad.
It didn't blow away.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New product announcement: affordable VG's
>
> I may be in a grumpy mood, having to do with dumping my personal weekend
> plans to jet several sets of golf clubs and their operators all over the
> place,
> but ...
>
> ... as someone who has begged for research on vortex generators for the
> Commanders for over 10 years, I'm a bit put off by the notion one can buy
> a bunch
> of thingies and stick them on their airplane (especially a multi engine
> airplane) and go test fly.
>
>
> A quote from Boundary Layer Research's web site: "
>> The layout of our VGs is determined for each aircraft through extensive
>> flight testing and substantial supporting engineering studies and
>> reports. Each
>> of our kits is certified by the FAA with an STC for that model aircraft."
>
> Around 1993 I brought an AC-680FP to Charles White of Microaerodynamics
> (Anacortes, WA) to evaluate the Commander for VGs -- I had a client who
> operated
> off an extremely short strip.
>
> His assessment was that "the wing is as good as it gets" but that he
> thought
> Vmc could be eliminated by placing VGs on the vertical stabililzier, or,
> on
> the leading edge of the rudder -- with lots of testing to be done.
>
> In this business (run by an bunch of Boeing engineers) the VG placement is
> modeled, then test flown with a fully flight test instrumented and tufted
> aircraft.
>
> The bottom line was the bottom line -- there wasn't the fleet numbers to
> justify the R&D costs for the Commanders.
>
> I still would like to see VGs explored for the Commanders, but it's not
> something I'd ask any of my friends to experiment with. Jeeeeezzzz I'm
> getting
> conservative, aren't I?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
Day isn't over yet.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New product announcement: affordable VG's
You never get something(STC) for nothing($95.00). It's the difference
between chicken s**t and chicken salad.
It didn't blow away.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New product announcement: affordable VG's
>
> I may be in a grumpy mood, having to do with dumping my personal weekend
> plans to jet several sets of golf clubs and their operators all over the
> place,
> but ...
>
> ... as someone who has begged for research on vortex generators for the
> Commanders for over 10 years, I'm a bit put off by the notion one can buy
> a bunch
> of thingies and stick them on their airplane (especially a multi engine
> airplane) and go test fly.
>
>
> A quote from Boundary Layer Research's web site: "
>> The layout of our VGs is determined for each aircraft through extensive
>> flight testing and substantial supporting engineering studies and
>> reports. Each
>> of our kits is certified by the FAA with an STC for that model aircraft."
>
> Around 1993 I brought an AC-680FP to Charles White of Microaerodynamics
> (Anacortes, WA) to evaluate the Commander for VGs -- I had a client who
> operated
> off an extremely short strip.
>
> His assessment was that "the wing is as good as it gets" but that he
> thought
> Vmc could be eliminated by placing VGs on the vertical stabililzier, or,
> on
> the leading edge of the rudder -- with lots of testing to be done.
>
> In this business (run by an bunch of Boeing engineers) the VG placement is
> modeled, then test flown with a fully flight test instrumented and tufted
> aircraft.
>
> The bottom line was the bottom line -- there wasn't the fleet numbers to
> justify the R&D costs for the Commanders.
>
> I still would like to see VGs explored for the Commanders, but it's not
> something I'd ask any of my friends to experiment with. Jeeeeezzzz I'm
> getting
> conservative, aren't I?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Exhaust pipes 680F |
Hi everyone:
I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
Thanks
Ricardo Otaola
YV-10P
AC-680F
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
ro, TRY COMMANDER AERO, MIAMISBURG, OH OR COMMANDER SERVICES, STOCKTON, CA.
MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Ricardo Otaola
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
Hi everyone:
I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
Thanks
Ricardo Otaola
YV-10P
AC-680F
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
Ricardo,
Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can not
find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent one
to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>
> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>
> Thanks
>
> Ricardo Otaola
> YV-10P
> AC-680F
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
I should have added the pipes that were on my 500A had been repaired before.
They had the cracks, and breaks welded back up. THAT METHOD DOES NOT WORK.
Don't waste your time. and most of all don't risk you life with that method.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
> not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
> one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
>> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
>> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>>
>> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ricardo Otaola
>> YV-10P
>> AC-680F
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Exhaust pipes 680F |
Bilbo, What did they charge.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
I should have added the pipes that were on my 500A had been repaired before.
They had the cracks, and breaks welded back up. THAT METHOD DOES NOT WORK.
Don't waste your time. and most of all don't risk you life with that method.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
> not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
> one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time around
>> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
>> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>>
>> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ricardo Otaola
>> YV-10P
>> AC-680F
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Exhaust pipes 680F |
I received good service and an excellent product from Aircraft Exhaust
Systems; New Autumn Estates Road; Jumping Branch, WV 25969;
304-466-1724;
I spoke to Larry Harman.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo
Otaola
Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
Hi everyone:
I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
around
and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
Thanks
Ricardo Otaola
YV-10P
AC-680F
==
==
==
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipes 680F |
$300.00 for what ever I sent. Three head pipes $300.00(total for all three)
One tail pipe .......you guessed it $300.00.
These people bought out the Jumpin Branch company that was well known.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
> Bilbo, What did they charge.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
> I should have added the pipes that were on my 500A had been repaired
> before.
> They had the cracks, and breaks welded back up. THAT METHOD DOES NOT
> WORK.
> Don't waste your time. and most of all don't risk you life with that
> method.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
>>
>> Ricardo,
>>
>> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
>> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
>> not
>> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
>> one
>> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>>
>> bilbo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
>> To:
>> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone:
>>>
>>> I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
>>> around
>>> and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
>>> guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
>>>
>>> These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Ricardo Otaola
>>> YV-10P
>>> AC-680F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | March ARB., Riverside |
Barry:
Photos from March ARB, here you go:
Plaque:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_1_LOW_RES.JPG
Fuselage
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_2_LOW_RES.JPG
Left elevator, with trib tab:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_3_LOW_RES.JPG
Right elevator, no trim tab:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_4_LOW_RES.JPG
Full empennage:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_5_LOW_RES.JPG
Close-up of trim tab:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/YU-9A_6_LOW_RES.JPG
All the above photos in a zip file:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/yu-9A_LOW_RES.ZIP
The same, but high res, larger file:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/YU-9A/yu-9A_HIGH_RES.ZIP
ak
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
> > Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
> > right-hand elevator, but I would dearly like conformation of that.
>
> I'm really curious to hear the answer to this. My old 520
> had tabs on both elevators, but the right one was disabled
> and had a skin segment riveted over it. After considerably
> study of manuals, many phone calls, and much head scratching,
> we never did determine how that came to be.
>
> One plausible story I heard was that when a certain autopilot
> was installed, one trim tab was disabled to assure that the
> pilot could over-ride a runaway trim condition. Never was
> able to confirm that or determine if my bird had that autopilot.
>
> chris
>
>
> ============
> Matronics Forums.
> ============
> ============
> ============
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
---
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: March ARB., Riverside |
Hi Alan,
Sincere thanks for the photos, which have clearly established that no trim tab
exists on the right-hand elevator.
It is therefore extremely likely that the other two U.S. Army ones (s/ns 17 &
23) were configured in the same way, and therefore we are not looking at the
"first 18" having the electric actuator system. More likely it was 18 out of the
first 24 or so.
Thanks again Alan, and I hope you enjoyed your day out!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: March ARB., Riverside
|
|
| Barry:
|
| Photos from March ARB, here you go:
|
| ak
| >
| > Barry Collman wrote:
| > > Photos on the internet indicate it has no elevator trim tab on the
| > > right-hand elevator, but I would dearly like conformation of that.
| >
| > I'm really curious to hear the answer to this. My old 520
| > had tabs on both elevators, but the right one was disabled
| > and had a skin segment riveted over it. After considerably
| > study of manuals, many phone calls, and much head scratching,
| > we never did determine how that came to be.
| >
| > One plausible story I heard was that when a certain autopilot
| > was installed, one trim tab was disabled to assure that the
| > pilot could over-ride a runaway trim condition. Never was
| > able to confirm that or determine if my bird had that autopilot.
| >
| > chris
| >
| >
| > ============
| > Matronics Forums.
| > ============
| > ============
| > ============
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > ---
| >
| >
|
| ---
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone hear anything about this one? |
N67TC has multiple records
Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 11233 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer NameAERO COMMANDER Certificate Issue Date03/11/2002
Model690A StatusValid
Type AircraftFixed Wing Multi-EngineType EngineTurbo-Prop
Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo
Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code52155413
MFR Year1975 Fractional OwnerNO
Registered Owner
Name AIRCRAFT GUARANTY TITLE CORP TRUSTEE
Street515 N SAM HOUSTON PKWY E STE 305
CityHOUSTON StateTEXAS Zip Code 77060-4023
CountyHARRIS
CountryUNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer None ClassificationStandard
Engine Model None CategoryNormal
A/W Date01/24/1975
Other Owner Names
None
Temporary Certificate
Certificate Number T021575 Issue Date03/11/2002
Expiration Date04/10/2002
Fuel Modifications
None Owner Type: CorporationOwner Name: AIRCRAFT GUARANTY TITLE CORP TRUSTEE
City: HOUSTONState: TX
Zip: 77060-4023Country: US
Fractional Owner:
Aircraft Type: Fixed wing multi engineModel Year: 1975
Airworthiness Class: StandardTransponder Code: 52155413
Serial Number: 11233Aircraft Model: 0141722
Last Action: 2002-03-11Cert Issue: 2002-03-11
Aircraft Mfg: AERO COMMANDERAircraft Model: 690A
Category: LandAmateur: No
Engines: 2Seats: 11
Weight: CLASS 1Cruising Speed: 241
Engine Mfg.: Engine Model:
Fuel Consumed: 0.00Horsepower/Thrust:
Service Difficulty Report (SDR) Information
No Service Difficulty Reports Found
NTSB Accident Information
No NTSB Accident Reports Found
FAA Accident/Incident Information
#FAA1 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1986-02-22
Narrative: DIVERTED AFTER 2 MISSED APPROACHES. FIRST OFFICER INCAPACITATED
DUE TO STOMACH CRAMPS AND LEFT THE COCKPIT.
#FAA2 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1986-07-15
Narrative: AIRCRAFT NOSE GEAR DEPARTED RUNWAY ON ROLLOUT. STEERING PROBLEM
DEFERRED ON PREVIOUS FLIGHT.
#FAA3 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1987-11-30
Narrative: LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON LANDING ROLLOUT. VEERED OFF RUNWAY.
STOPPED FIFTY FEET OFF RUNWAY.
#FAA4 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1988-01-08
Narrative: LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON LANDING ROLLOUT. STRUCK SNOWBANK ALONG
SIDE OF THE RUNWAY.
#FAA5 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1989-04-21
Narrative: RIGHT ENGINE HAD FLUCTUATING FUEL PRESSURE. SECURED AND RETURNED.
FUEL PUMP SEAL HAD FAILED.
#FAA6 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1992-02-11
Narrative: LEFT MAIN GEAR GREEN LIGHT DID NOT ILLUMINATE. MADE GO AROUND.
ADJUSTED LIGHTS. LANDED SAFELY.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Victor Fernandez Cochon" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> |
Hi everyone,
Victor down here in MDSD, Dominican Rep. Just about tired of being battered
by hurricanes. Now we got Ivan coming in.
I would greatly appreciate if anyone can tell me where I can get a Copy of a
POH for a 500, I seem to have misplaced mine and authorities require me to
have it
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone:
> >
> > I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
around
> > and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
> > guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
> >
> > These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ricardo Otaola
> > YV-10P
> > AC-680F
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: POH for A/C 500 |
VF, I HAVE A 500U POH IF INTERESTED. MASON 817-877-4977
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Fernandez Cochon
Subject: Commander-List: POH for A/C 500
Hi everyone,
Victor down here in MDSD, Dominican Rep. Just about tired of being battered
by hurricanes. Now we got Ivan coming in.
I would greatly appreciate if anyone can tell me where I can get a Copy of a
POH for a 500, I seem to have misplaced mine and authorities require me to
have it
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I can
not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even sent
one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone:
> >
> > I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
around
> > and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me and
> > guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
> >
> > These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ricardo Otaola
> > YV-10P
> > AC-680F
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Anyone hear anything about this one? |
Hi Gang,
I made a quick check on the FAA NASDAC website.
"N67TC" was reported in error for N467TC, a Piper PA34-200T.
Report Number is 20040816016509G.
So, a Turbo Commander was not involved.
Regards to All,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone hear anything about this one?
|
| N67TC has multiple records
|
|
| Assigned/Registered Aircraft
| Aircraft Description
|
| Serial Number 11233 Type Registration Corporation
| Manufacturer NameAERO COMMANDER Certificate Issue Date03/11/2002
| Model690A StatusValid
| Type AircraftFixed Wing Multi-EngineType EngineTurbo-Prop
| Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo
| Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code52155413
| MFR Year1975 Fractional OwnerNO
|
|
| Registered Owner
|
| Name AIRCRAFT GUARANTY TITLE CORP TRUSTEE
| Street515 N SAM HOUSTON PKWY E STE 305
| CityHOUSTON StateTEXAS Zip Code 77060-4023
| CountyHARRIS
| CountryUNITED STATES
|
|
| Airworthiness
|
|
| Engine Manufacturer None ClassificationStandard
| Engine Model None CategoryNormal
|
| A/W Date01/24/1975
|
|
| Other Owner Names
|
| None
|
|
| Temporary Certificate
|
| Certificate Number T021575 Issue Date03/11/2002
| Expiration Date04/10/2002
|
|
| Fuel Modifications
| None Owner Type: CorporationOwner Name: AIRCRAFT GUARANTY TITLE CORP TRUSTEE
| City: HOUSTONState: TX
| Zip: 77060-4023Country: US
| Fractional Owner:
| Aircraft Type: Fixed wing multi engineModel Year: 1975
| Airworthiness Class: StandardTransponder Code: 52155413
| Serial Number: 11233Aircraft Model: 0141722
| Last Action: 2002-03-11Cert Issue: 2002-03-11
| Aircraft Mfg: AERO COMMANDERAircraft Model: 690A
| Category: LandAmateur: No
| Engines: 2Seats: 11
| Weight: CLASS 1Cruising Speed: 241
| Engine Mfg.: Engine Model:
| Fuel Consumed: 0.00Horsepower/Thrust:
|
|
| Service Difficulty Report (SDR) Information
| No Service Difficulty Reports Found
|
| NTSB Accident Information
| No NTSB Accident Reports Found
|
| FAA Accident/Incident Information
| #FAA1 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1986-02-22
| Narrative: DIVERTED AFTER 2 MISSED APPROACHES. FIRST OFFICER INCAPACITATED
| DUE TO STOMACH CRAMPS AND LEFT THE COCKPIT.
|
|
| #FAA2 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1986-07-15
| Narrative: AIRCRAFT NOSE GEAR DEPARTED RUNWAY ON ROLLOUT. STEERING PROBLEM
| DEFERRED ON PREVIOUS FLIGHT.
|
|
| #FAA3 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1987-11-30
| Narrative: LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON LANDING ROLLOUT. VEERED OFF RUNWAY.
| STOPPED FIFTY FEET OFF RUNWAY.
|
|
| #FAA4 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1988-01-08
| Narrative: LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL ON LANDING ROLLOUT. STRUCK SNOWBANK ALONG
| SIDE OF THE RUNWAY.
|
|
| #FAA5 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1989-04-21
| Narrative: RIGHT ENGINE HAD FLUCTUATING FUEL PRESSURE. SECURED AND RETURNED.
| FUEL PUMP SEAL HAD FAILED.
|
|
| #FAA6 Accident/Incident Occurred on: 1992-02-11
| Narrative: LEFT MAIN GEAR GREEN LIGHT DID NOT ILLUMINATE. MADE GO AROUND.
| ADJUSTED LIGHTS. LANDED SAFELY.
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander For Sale |
Hi James,
I took a look at the specs. and photos of your 520 today, and see that it
appears to have a nose radome, a fact which I do not seem to have recorded
before.
From the appearance of it, the radome looks like a Chamberlain 2001X, for which
the an STC, No. SA1-143.
I wonder whether you can trace when this was installed, as I haven't found a
covering Form 337 yet in the FAA records.
Lastly, if you can email me a couple of photos of it, I'll be pleased to add it
my collection!
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian)
----- Original Message -----
From: "jlyle" <jlyle(at)thomsonaviation.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander For Sale
|
| Hi all'
| I have dedcided to sell my Aero Commander after much work and restoration.
| Please look at the photo's to see results of several years of effort.
| I believe it to be the best example of a 520 available.
| 5838 TT
| 612 SMOH Left with New Top
| 196 SMOH Right-
| 125 since New Props and Hubs (no AD's)
| Great New Panel with Garmin 430, S-tec AutoPilot, Annnunciator lights and much
more.
| New paint and recent interior
| Compete spec sheet and photo's at www.thomsonaviation.com
| Will entertain any reasonable offer and consider partial trade for small
single engine.
| It flies great and will make someone a great aircraft.
| Thanks,
| James Lyle
| N11L
| 706-799-2602 cell
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander For Sale |
I am in a first-round private funding for my business for an IPO perhaps in
2006. Would you like to take a look at it?
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander For Sale
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi James,
>
> I took a look at the specs. and photos of your 520 today, and see that it
> appears to have a nose radome, a fact which I do not seem to have recorded
> before.
>
> From the appearance of it, the radome looks like a Chamberlain 2001X, for
which
> the an STC, No. SA1-143.
>
> I wonder whether you can trace when this was installed, as I haven't found
a
> covering Form 337 yet in the FAA records.
>
> Lastly, if you can email me a couple of photos of it, I'll be pleased to
add it
> my collection!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
> (Aero Commander historian)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jlyle" <jlyle(at)thomsonaviation.com>
> To: ;
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander For Sale
>
>
> |
> | Hi all'
> | I have dedcided to sell my Aero Commander after much work and
restoration.
> | Please look at the photo's to see results of several years of effort.
> | I believe it to be the best example of a 520 available.
> | 5838 TT
> | 612 SMOH Left with New Top
> | 196 SMOH Right-
> | 125 since New Props and Hubs (no AD's)
> | Great New Panel with Garmin 430, S-tec AutoPilot, Annnunciator lights
and much
> more.
> | New paint and recent interior
> | Compete spec sheet and photo's at www.thomsonaviation.com
> | Will entertain any reasonable offer and consider partial trade for small
> single engine.
> | It flies great and will make someone a great aircraft.
> | Thanks,
> | James Lyle
> | N11L
> | 706-799-2602 cell
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have a POH for a 500S if interested Don 517 881-8959. I am located in
Michigan and could send it to you to copy and return to me. I have 2 so
being without it for a short time is no hardship.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Subject: Re: Commander-List: POH for A/C 500
VF, I HAVE A 500U POH IF INTERESTED. MASON 817-877-4977
----- Original Message -----
From: Victor Fernandez Cochon
Subject: Commander-List: POH for A/C 500
Hi everyone,
Victor down here in MDSD, Dominican Rep. Just about tired of being
battered
by hurricanes. Now we got Ivan coming in.
I would greatly appreciate if anyone can tell me where I can get a Copy
of a
POH for a 500, I seem to have misplaced mine and authorities require me
to
have it
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Thanks,
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Go to http://www.awi-ami.com/ they are in Fort Lauderdale. I have
had A
> LOT of exhaust work done by them. They do "repairs" so they say. I
can
not
> find anything left of the old pipe when they are finished. I even
sent
one
> to them in six pieces and they were able to create a new one.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Exhaust pipes 680F
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone:
> >
> > I juts realized I have one exhaust pipe broken. Second time
around
> > and doubt it if it can be repaired. Perhaps someone can enlighten me
and
> > guide me to where I can find, repaired, or new, or used.
> >
> > These would be for a 680F. meaning a IGSO-540-B1C
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ricardo Otaola
> > YV-10P
> > AC-680F
> >
> >
> >
>
>
==
==
==
==
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| From: | "Tom Bijou" <tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
| Subject: | Leftover commander part |
Cleaning out the hangar now and then always makes some sense ... I have a
very unusual commander part that I hate to throw away, although I can not
think of a reason why someone else would want it ...
4 aircraft 96204,96205,96206 and 96207 were built for the DEA. They were
commander 695B models, with high gross weight and surveillance
modifications. The mods were a hard point on the left wing for a flir pod
(or I guess a minigun, it looks like a standard hard point), BIG radome for
a search radar, aux fuel in the baggage area, and some special stall warning
systems that allowed you to safely fly with a big nose or pods hanging under
the wing.
Among the many commanders I have owned is 96207, and stored in a corner of
my hangar is the BIG radome and all the attachment stuff. Unless someone is
willing to pay the shipping, or come pick it up in Dallas, it is going to
end up in the trash bin.
It seems a waste to throw it away. If anyone is thinking about the need to
house a 20" dish or as a base for a very strange table of some sort send me
an email or give me a call at 972-930-6265, and it will be yours for the
asking. I think I will keep the hard point assembly, but I could probably
be talked out of that also if anyone can tell me a good enough story about
why the want or need it!
Tom Bijou
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Leftover commander part |
Tom, If someone has a need for it let them have it but otherwise I live in
Denton and will pick it up.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Bijou
Subject: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Cleaning out the hangar now and then always makes some sense ... I have a
very unusual commander part that I hate to throw away, although I can not
think of a reason why someone else would want it ...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Bijou" <tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
| Subject: | Leftover commander part |
Jim
I will let you know if I do not hear from anyone else over the next few
days. I am based at ads and have 10000' of hangar space, and never enough
room, and would love for this to be gone next week.
Tom
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Tom, If someone has a need for it let them have it but otherwise I live in
Denton and will pick it up.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Bijou
Subject: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Cleaning out the hangar now and then always makes some sense ... I have a
very unusual commander part that I hate to throw away, although I can not
think of a reason why someone else would want it ...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Leftover commander part |
Sounds like a plan.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Bijou
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Jim
I will let you know if I do not hear from anyone else over the next few
days. I am based at ads and have 10000' of hangar space, and never enough
room, and would love for this to be gone next week.
Tom
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Tom, If someone has a need for it let them have it but otherwise I live in
Denton and will pick it up.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Bijou
Subject: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Cleaning out the hangar now and then always makes some sense ... I have a
very unusual commander part that I hate to throw away, although I can not
think of a reason why someone else would want it ...
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi,
A friend has given me a photo of a couple of Commandrs he saw at Oshkosh.
One is Moe Mills' 680FP, N680RR.
The other is obviously a Model 500A, as it has two-bladed props., but the photo
only shows the 'last two' of the registration mark, being "9X".
I think the only candidate is s/n 1045-43, N159X, registered to David &
Catherine Galati, in Dowagiac, Michigan.
Is there anybody who visited Oshkosh this year who can confirm that?
Best Regards,
Barry C. (UK)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Lycoming stud info |
The part number for a stud I need to replace is 2511 in the GO435 part
manual. This is boggling the parts people, because the current number
appears to be 25C-11 and nowhere does it say that in writing. In addition,
Sac Sky Ranch lists a couple of alternate part numbers.
Pls help, knowlegable listers.....
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming stud info |
Bruce,
Call Lycoming at 570.323.6181 and ask for Jim Matthews, Mike Day or Ken
Robins. Three grouchy old guys that can get you straightened out. Suggest
you call before 8:00 AM California time.
Good Luck,
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Lycoming stud info
>
> The part number for a stud I need to replace is 2511 in the GO435 part
> manual. This is boggling the parts people, because the current number
> appears to be 25C-11 and nowhere does it say that in writing. In
addition,
> Sac Sky Ranch lists a couple of alternate part numbers.
>
> Pls help, knowlegable listers.....
>
> Bruce Campbell
> AC52 N4186B
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Leftover commander part |
Tom,
I am going to be over by ADS this morning, call at 940-368-0771.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Sounds like a plan.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Bijou
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Jim
I will let you know if I do not hear from anyone else over the next few
days. I am based at ads and have 10000' of hangar space, and never enough
room, and would love for this to be gone next week.
Tom
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Tom, If someone has a need for it let them have it but otherwise I live in
Denton and will pick it up.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Bijou
Subject: Commander-List: Leftover commander part
Cleaning out the hangar now and then always makes some sense ... I have a
very unusual commander part that I hate to throw away, although I can not
think of a reason why someone else would want it ...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
Does anyone have a link to the video of Bob Hoover doing a roll while
pouring himself a cup of tea [or something]? I thought it was available on
the Victor Aviation site, but can't find it there.
Looking forward to seeing everyone in a week!
Thanks,
Alan
---
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
Hi Alan,
I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the Shrike
and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see if I
can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
/J
PS: I heard a rumor that the only reason he didn't do more in the Sabreliner
is that it's a 2-pilot airplane and he couldn't find a copilot who didn't
get airsick during the routine. Sweet!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
> Does anyone have a link to the video of Bob Hoover doing a roll while
> pouring himself a cup of tea [or something]? I thought it was available
on
> the Victor Aviation site, but can't find it there.
>
> Looking forward to seeing everyone in a week!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the Shrike
and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see if I
can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
Make a copy for me too!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
I'll pay for one as well but I will not be able to make the fly-in.
Tom F.
Tom Fisher
Cell: 604-649-9320
Box 36523 RPO Seafair
Richmond, British Columbia
Canada, V7C 5M4
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
>
> In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
>
> I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the
Shrike
> and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
> Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see if
I
> can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
>
>
> Make a copy for me too!! jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
I don't mean to sound like a jerk but shouldn't you guys be buying this from
Bob?
http://www.flyrightproductions.com/Music_Video.htm
I think the guy is still trying to make a living.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
>
> In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
>
> I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the
> Shrike
> and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
> Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see if
> I
> can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
>
>
> Make a copy for me too!! jb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
I'm kinda with you guys, that's the video I have and we should support Bob!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
> I don't mean to sound like a jerk but shouldn't you guys be buying this
from
> Bob?
>
> http://www.flyrightproductions.com/Music_Video.htm
>
> I think the guy is still trying to make a living.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> >
> > I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the
> > Shrike
> > and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
> > Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see
if
> > I
> > can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
> >
> >
> > Make a copy for me too!! jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
I did buy the video from Bob and he signed it, (although I don't remember
the pouring stunt) did he produce more than one video?
Mine is called "The Bob Hoover Aerial Suite" - "An Aerobatic Music Video" 20
minutes in length.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
> I'm kinda with you guys, that's the video I have and we should support
Bob!
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
>
> >
> > I don't mean to sound like a jerk but shouldn't you guys be buying this
> from
> > Bob?
> >
> > http://www.flyrightproductions.com/Music_Video.htm
> >
> > I think the guy is still trying to make a living.
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> > >
> > > I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the
> > > Shrike
> > > and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
> > > Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see
> if
> > > I
> > > can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
> > >
> > >
> > > Make a copy for me too!! jb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
Bill Bow make a good point,
We need to support Bob and this would be a good way to do it.
I just looked at the web site and I am interested in the 17 ways to fall out of
the sky DVD.
JB, it there a way we can order these at the Fly-in? It would show our support.
Could you put a link on our web site so the source will not get lost.
I am coming with Dan Farmer in 6369U.
Tylor Hall
970-946-7472
John Vormbaum wrote:
I'm kinda with you guys, that's the video I have and we should support Bob!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
> I don't mean to sound like a jerk but shouldn't you guys be buying this
from
> Bob?
>
> http://www.flyrightproductions.com/Music_Video.htm
>
> I think the guy is still trying to make a living.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> >
> > I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the
> > Shrike
> > and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
> > Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see
if
> > I
> > can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
> >
> >
> > Make a copy for me too!! jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
Talked to them this afternoon and the DVD will not be available until spring
if they do a DVD. If they get enough requests they may make in a DVD. So
if you want a DVD, contact them and request it.
RL sather
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
> I'm kinda with you guys, that's the video I have and we should support
Bob!
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
>
>
> >
> > I don't mean to sound like a jerk but shouldn't you guys be buying this
> from
> > Bob?
> >
> > http://www.flyrightproductions.com/Music_Video.htm
> >
> > I think the guy is still trying to make a living.
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/17/2004 11:26:11 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> > >
> > > I have the Bob Hoover VHS videoTAPE of his entire routine in both the
> > > Shrike
> > > and the P-51, and it includes about 30 seconds of the routine in the
> > > Sabreliner in which he pours the iced tea during the roll. I will see
> if
> > > I
> > > can get it put on a DVD before the fly-in...
> > >
> > >
> > > Make a copy for me too!! jb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
In a message dated 9/18/2004 10:27:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
JB, it there a way we can order these at the Fly-in? It would show our
support.
Could you put a link on our web site so the source will not get lost.
I too think we should buy it from Bob, I'l be checking with John Towner to
see how we can do that. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
> tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
>
> Could you put a link on our web site so the source will not get lost.
Good idea Tylor.
Speaking of web site updates.... Jim, will you be doing a good fly-in
report on the web site this year? I was very disapointed that last year
went completely un-noticed on the web site. I believe it's important to
have these fly-ins well documented. There are so many great people in
the Commander world who may not be with us much longer. (or that we've
already lost). The next batch of Commander owners deserves a little
effort on our part to let them know about these people....
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
In a message dated 9/19/2004 6:03:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
I believe it's important to
have these fly-ins well documented.
Good point. Sue an I were just last night looking at the great article you
posted after the first flyin in Hillsboro. I will make it a point to post
something this year. Thanks for the reminder. Wish you could make it, it is
so close. Hope your Dada is doing well. jb
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> Good point. Sue an I were just last night looking at the great article you
> posted after the first flyin in Hillsboro.
Fantastic Jim!
I've had a number of emails from people who have re-read the fly-in
articles and enjoyed remembering the good times.
> Hope your Dada is doing well.
He is doing better than expected actually. They removed most of his
right lung this week. As you can imagine, that is a terribly painful
operation, but he's recovering without complications and is in excellent
spirits. It's been a very long and difficult week for him (and all of
us), but right now we're pretty optomistic.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover rolling and pouring |
Chris,
Glad to hear that your dad is feeling better.
Jim A
N444BD
He is doing better than expected actually. They removed most of his
right lung this week. As you can imagine, that is a terribly painful
operation, but he's recovering without complications and is in excellent
spirits. It's been a very long and difficult week for him (and all of
us), but right now we're pretty optomistic.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
It looks like I may make the fly-in. What clothes should I bring, shorts and
jeans or dress slacks?
Jim
N444BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Jim Addington wrote:
> It looks like I may make the fly-in. What clothes should I bring
I suggest taking a look at the pictures from previous flyins. IMO, Milt
pretty much set the standard :-)
You could always take a page from jimbob's book of fashion as well:
http://www.aerocommander.com/TCFG/2002flyin/mvc-203f.jpg
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Need window moldings for a 681 |
Stan,
Only just noticed this message.
There is a manufacturer of all the wind frame internal moulds in Australia,
they are Australian PMA approved.
If you need any ( I have used their nav light covers on my 500A) my email
is
>Good morning!
>
>I am starting a refurbishment of the interior of my 681, and the two
>window frames (Royalite?) around the pilot's and copilot's side windows
>have significant warping. The interior shop told me that they should be
>replaced, but did not know where to find replacements. Does anyone have
>a suitable pair of frames, or know where to find them? Are these frames
>shared with other Commander models or are they unique to the 681?
>Assuming that I can't find suitable replacements, is there any way to
>straighten them?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Stan
>N548GQ
>
>
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Need window moldings for a 681 |
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the message!
A while ago I actually contacted the outfit in Australia. After
reviewing the parts diagram I faxed to them, they told me that they
would not be able to provide the parts I needed. It sounded to me as
though they made parts only for the recips.
In the meantime, I was able to get the frames re-formed and recovered,
and they now look very good, so it all worked out fine.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need window moldings for a 681
Stan,
Only just noticed this message.
There is a manufacturer of all the wind frame internal moulds in
Australia,
they are Australian PMA approved.
If you need any ( I have used their nav light covers on my 500A) my
email
is
>Good morning!
>
>I am starting a refurbishment of the interior of my 681, and the two
>window frames (Royalite?) around the pilot's and copilot's side windows
>have significant warping. The interior shop told me that they should be
>replaced, but did not know where to find replacements. Does anyone have
>a suitable pair of frames, or know where to find them? Are these frames
>shared with other Commander models or are they unique to the 681?
>Assuming that I can't find suitable replacements, is there any way to
>straighten them?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Stan
>N548GQ
>
>
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It
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are
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attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the
mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error,
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| From: | "avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
"Kevin Troutner" ,
"Joel Rotolante" , "Osker" ,
"Greg Nardi" ,
"Mike aol Lefkovitz" ,
"Paul Johnson" ,
"ellie Hager" , "mike bubes" ,
"Brandt, Frank" <brandtf@xch-bsco-01.ksc.nasa.gov>,
"Mike Boyce" , "Bill Bow" ,
"Bill Bougham" , ,
| Subject: | Fw: thought you would get a kick out of this |
----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa Bradford
Subject: thought you would get a kick out of this
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Enjoyed the weekend at MKC, John Towner and his staff were an exceptional
host and passed on some invaluable information about our planes and Jim Bob
did an exceptional job of getting every thing to come together. I had a sad
sight brought to my attention on Yahoo.com, just below Donald Trumps picture
is Jeanne moves north ***, go below the two pictures to slide show, to next
then to picture 5. In the back ground is a Commander upside down. Pictures
43,51,59,182,195 are not much better.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
It wasn't mine..........Damn it.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
>
> Enjoyed the weekend at MKC, John Towner and his staff were an exceptional
> host and passed on some invaluable information about our planes and Jim
> Bob
> did an exceptional job of getting every thing to come together. I had a
> sad
> sight brought to my attention on Yahoo.com, just below Donald Trumps
> picture
> is Jeanne moves north ***, go below the two pictures to slide show, to
> next
> then to picture 5. In the back ground is a Commander upside down. Pictures
> 43,51,59,182,195 are not much better.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD 500A
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
Didn't get the pictures of the over turned commander, where can I see those?
Thanks
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
I wondered about that but I would rather someone bought it and gave you a
large price for it. Hate to loose good airplanes. If you had flown it to the
fly in you might have had a buyer.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
It wasn't mine..........Damn it.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
>
> Enjoyed the weekend at MKC, John Towner and his staff were an exceptional
> host and passed on some invaluable information about our planes and Jim
> Bob
> did an exceptional job of getting every thing to come together. I had a
> sad
> sight brought to my attention on Yahoo.com, just below Donald Trumps
> picture
> is Jeanne moves north ***, go below the two pictures to slide show, to
> next
> then to picture 5. In the back ground is a Commander upside down. Pictures
> 43,51,59,182,195 are not much better.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD 500A
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Go to Yahoo.com, when it comes up look down the right side and just below
Donald Trump's picture is a list, one of which is Jeanne moves north. Click
on that go just below the two pictures to Slide Show. Click on next until
slide 5 comes up. There are other pictures of other planes 5, 43, 51, 59,
182, 195. If you still don't get it to come up let me know.
Jim A
500A N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Didn't get the pictures of the over turned commander, where can I see
those?
Thanks
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
THANKS MUCH, I FOUND IT.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day All,
Congratulations to Capt Jimbob, John Towner and the fabulous
team at Central Air for putting together the best TCFG Fly-in yet.
A big thankyou to Sue Metzger for all of the 'behind-the-scenes' stuff.
There is no doubt that the incredible strength of the TCFG continues to lie in
its vast diversity of members and the passion with which we all love the
Aero Commander.
It is clear that the network has gone to a new level of strength and I get
the feeling that more and more people and organisations are sitting sharply
upright and taking notice of the ever growing strengh of the TCFG collective
voice.
The assembled fleet of twenty-three Commanders last weekend must be a
record with nearly a full cross-section of types represented [1x520, 1x500,
2x560E, 1x680E, 1x680F(P), 2x500A, 9x500B, 1x500U, 3x500S, 1x685,
1x681].
Add to this list the fifteen or so Central Air Commanders (500B's and a
690A) that cycled through Kansas City Downtown over the weekend and
thus we were claiming nearly forty!
The TCFG continues to represent a fascinating collection of true-
believers...lets all continue to keep the dream alive!!
Many thanks Jimbob & Sue, John
and Central Air!
Cheers
Russell
(Back in Oz!)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I have been getting a number of these Emails from "Commandertech", with an
attachment (no doubt a virus).
The address header is between the asterisks below, anyone recognize the
source?
Tom F.
***************************************************************
by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F3BCB8451
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:16:06 -0800
From: "Commandertech" <commandertech(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
Subject: Re: Hello
***************************************************************
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I believe that's Chris Schuermann's old domain that used to host the list.
Problem is, the email probably doesn't originate from Chris' email. Viruses
usually spoof the "from" address, and it's just originating from someone who
has Chris' email in their address book.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Bogus Email
>
> I have been getting a number of these Emails from "Commandertech", with an
> attachment (no doubt a virus).
> The address header is between the asterisks below, anyone recognize the
> source?
> Tom F.
>
> ***************************************************************
> by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F3BCB8451
> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:16:06 -0800
> To: "Tfisher"
> From: "Commandertech" <commandertech(at)skymaster.c2-tech.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello
> ***************************************************************
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.881 (20040930) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.nod32.com
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.881 (20040930) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.nod32.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
John Vormbaum wrote:
> I believe that's Chris Schuermann's old domain that used to host the list.
> Problem is, the email probably doesn't originate from Chris' email.
You are correct John. Neither that domain, nor the actual computer even
exist today, so the email is a spoof from someone's address book.
Should be very few people who have that address in their book, so it
should be easy to identify the culprit.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Yeah and I'm one of the people who still have it ;-).......but I just ran a
full system scan and it's not me!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bogus Email
>
>
> John Vormbaum wrote:
> > I believe that's Chris Schuermann's old domain that used to host the
list.
> > Problem is, the email probably doesn't originate from Chris' email.
>
> You are correct John. Neither that domain, nor the actual computer even
> exist today, so the email is a spoof from someone's address book.
> Should be very few people who have that address in their book, so it
> should be easy to identify the culprit.
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.881 (20040930) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.nod32.com
>
>
> __________ NOD32 1.881 (20040930) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.nod32.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
I just got three from 'moemills(at)aol.com' all with no messages but all had
attachments. I just deleted them, tried to write Moe, but it came back as
undeliverable at this email address.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Date: 10/1/2004 3:49:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bogus Email
>
>
> Yeah and I'm one of the people who still have it ;-).......but I just ran
a
> full system scan and it's not me!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Gents,
moemills(at)aol.com has not been used in about six or eight months. My
address is moe(at)rosspistons.com.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bogus Email
>
> I just got three from 'moemills(at)aol.com' all with no messages but all had
> attachments. I just deleted them, tried to write Moe, but it came back as
> undeliverable at this email address.
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> > To:
> > Date: 10/1/2004 3:49:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bogus Email
> >
> >
> > Yeah and I'm one of the people who still have it ;-).......but I just
ran
> a
> > full system scan and it's not me!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
"CLOUDCRAFT" , "DAN BRUHL" ,
"commander-list" ,
"eBay Customer Support" ,
"George Chevaillier" ,
"JOANN CHEVAILLIER" , "JODY MASTIN" ,
"JOE PACE" , "john chambers" ,
"john MCNULTY" ,
"kathy carmean" ,
"diane yoder" ,
"Laurin Chevaillier" ,
"MIKE KESTLER" , "MOE MILLS" ,
"SCOTT PARKER" ,
"george chevaillier" ,
"STEVE NORRIS" , "T MASTIN" ,
"Thrasher, Cindy" ,
"W. Kent Riley"
| Subject: | Fw: PRAYER REQUEST |
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Bailey
'Bob Batton'; 'Bob Grable'; 'Bobby McGee'; 'Brad Lummis'; 'Darrell Clokey'; 'Dave
Bump'; 'David Beyer'; 'David Boyce'; 'David Fussell'; 'David Goldberg'; 'David
Keller'; 'David Murray'; 'David Williams'; 'Dewayne Adams'; 'Don Goodwin';
'Don Meek'; 'Doug Woodson'; 'Ed Palm'; 'Foster Parcel'; 'Frank Bowie'; 'Fred
Cleveland'; 'Gavin Garrett'; 'George Young'; 'Gibson Jester'; 'Glenn Petta';
'Gordon Hammons'; 'Harry Bulbrook'; 'Isaac Manning'; 'Jerry Chandler'; 'Jim Branch';
'John Eiband'; 'John Jaderlund'; 'John Perkins'; 'John Sievertson'; 'Karl
Komatsu'; 'Keith Albright'; 'Kelly Cheatham'; 'Ken Creighton'; 'Kirk High';
'Louis Agular'; 'Mark Johnson'; 'Mason Chevallier'; 'Mike Farris'; 'Nick Genua';
'Norm Robbins'; 'Olin Ragsdale'; 'Paul Prater'; 'Peter Philpott'; 'Porter
Farrell'; 'Richard Dulaney'; 'Rickey Brantley '; 'Rob Sell'; 'Robert Barham';
'Robert Haslam'; 'Rory Connor'; 'Sam Moser'; 'Scott Kleberg'; 'Sid Achee'; 'Steve
Eisner'; 'T Z Hamm'; 'Ted Gorski'; 'Tom Grubb'; 'Tom Hodges'; 'Tom Laker'
Subject: FW: PRAYER REQUEST
-----Original Message-----
From: S Eisner [mailto:eisner1(at)flash.net]
We can all start when you get this e-mail. I know it is less than 40 days until
the election. We need God's protection in this time of turmoil and who knows
what the terrorists are planning to disrupt this election.
Have a good day.
Someone has said that if Christians really understood the full extent of
the power we have available through prayer we might be speechless.
In W.W.II there was an advisor to Churchill who organized a group of
people who dropped what they were doing every day at a prescribed hour
for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England, its people
and peace.
There is now a group of people organizing the same thing here in America.
There is a national call, starting this Friday night for 40 days of Prayer.
In forty days starting Friday we will have an election for the President of the
United States of America. No matter which party you support, please pray each
day that the Lord will bless our Nation and place in power, the man that needs
to be our leader in these troubled years ahead. The Bible uses the 40 days
numerous times, maybe this will be good for this nation.
If you would like to participate, every evening at 9:00pm Eastern Time,
8:00 pm Central, 6:00 pm Pacific, stop whatever you are doing and spend
one minute praying for the safety of the United States, our troops, our
citizens, for the elections and for peace in the world.
If you know anyone else who would like to participate, please pass this
along. Our prayers are the most powerful asset we have.
Together, we "CAN" make a difference!
Thank You, and God Bless America
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: PRAYER REQUEST |
I will pray. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org> |
To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as devoutly
religious as some.
This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate and
offensive.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com |
Hey Dave,
As for prayer....It does not offend me.
When the engine quits, is when I do my best praying.
Have a great day.
Gary Tillman, Pres.
Av. Ins. Brokers of NA
http://www.flysafeinsurance.com/
800-228-4283
706-291-4077 office
706-238-1143 cell
706-232-3081 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
Too Bad Dave. I for one appreciate the letter on prayer. This country was
built on prayer and if prayer will help put the right person in office so I
can still enjoy the right to fly and go the places I want. Then let prayers
flow. And if it offends you then don't read the list. Thats one of the
reason we are allowed freedom to worship as we please and read the items
want to and not read the ones we don't and pray if we want too.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>
> Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>
> Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
devoutly religious as some.
>
> This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate
and offensive.
>
> Dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
Ditto!! And I don't wait for the engine to quit. Makes my whole day go
better and I take offense at anyone that belittles my prayer life! But
then they haven't walked in my shoes either.
Don
[Original Message]
From: <TILLMAN333(at)aol.com>
To:
Date: 10/7/2004 11:27:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
Commander-List message posted by: TILLMAN333(at)aol.com
Hey Dave,
As for prayer....It does not offend me.
When the engine quits, is when I do my best praying.
Have a great day.
Gary Tillman, Pres.
Av. Ins. Brokers of NA
http://www.flysafeinsurance.com/
800-228-4283
706-291-4077 office
706-238-1143 cell
706-232-3081 fax
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Who said everyone is a Christian?
It amazes me what some people find offensive. My initial 2 word response
ending in the word "you" would not have been very Christian, but it
certainly would have been considered quite offensive by most. :>)
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>
> Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>
> Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
> devoutly religious as some.
>
> This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate
> and offensive.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
It looks like the 85% for prayer 15% against rule applies here too. Count me
on the prayer side too especially last week when the engine tried to quit on
my Citabria.
Jim A
N444BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
You know what really bothers me is that we are supposed to have freedom of
religion over here but the only ones who have that are the atheists.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>
> Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>
> Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
devoutly religious as some.
>
> This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate
and offensive.
>
> Dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
I didn't see the original posting, but as an observant Jew, I don't have any
problems with people of other religions practicing their religion so long as
its not exclusive and they respect mine.
From the description of the posting given, I don't see that it violated
that.
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> Who said everyone is a Christian?
>
> It amazes me what some people find offensive. My initial 2 word response
> ending in the word "you" would not have been very Christian, but it
> certainly would have been considered quite offensive by most. :>)
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
> >
> > To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
> >
> > Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
> >
> > Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is
as
> > devoutly religious as some.
> >
> > This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is
innappropriate
> > and offensive.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
One of the wonderful aspects about freedom, and our way of life, is that we
can say and express ourselves in any way we like. And, we have the freedom
to listen, read, and pay attention...or not. Personally, I appreciate the
opportunity to hear others opinions and feelings about their lives and
spirituality. I may not agree all the time, but I sure get to learn more
about those folks, and know what makes them tick. Sure makes for an
interesting world.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jody
Pillatzki
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
You know what really bothers me is that we are supposed to have freedom of
religion over here but the only ones who have that are the atheists.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>
> Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>
> Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
devoutly religious as some.
>
> This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate
and offensive.
>
> Dave
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
As time comes to a close for all of us. Most times an atheist when he feels
the devil biting on his butt will find religion and a supreme being really
quick. Very few true atheists. There just waiting on the fence until they
have to make a decision. Sometimes wish we could help them make a decision.
Or as I believe General Norman H. Swarzkopf said. "It is God's
responsibilty to judge. It is our responsibilty to arrange the meeting."
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> You know what really bothers me is that we are supposed to have freedom of
> religion over here but the only ones who have that are the atheists.
>
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
> >
> > To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
> >
> > Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
> >
> > Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is
as
> devoutly religious as some.
> >
> > This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is
innappropriate
> and offensive.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Maybe he isn't an atheist but is just for the other candidate.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> As time comes to a close for all of us. Most times an atheist when he
> feels
> the devil biting on his butt will find religion and a supreme being really
> quick. Very few true atheists. There just waiting on the fence until they
> have to make a decision. Sometimes wish we could help them make a
> decision.
> Or as I believe General Norman H. Swarzkopf said. "It is God's
> responsibilty to judge. It is our responsibilty to arrange the meeting."
>
> Bobby
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
>
>>
>> You know what really bothers me is that we are supposed to have freedom
>> of
>> religion over here but the only ones who have that are the atheists.
>>
>> Jody
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
>> To:
>> Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>>
>>
>> >
>> > To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>> >
>> > Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>> >
>> > Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is
> as
>> devoutly religious as some.
>> >
>> > This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is
> innappropriate
>> and offensive.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
Well the other candidate really needs a prayer. I'm sure with his running
mate he is deep in prayer every night. Weeellllll, maybe not. You can't
B.S. God.
bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> Maybe he isn't an atheist but is just for the other candidate.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
> >
> > As time comes to a close for all of us. Most times an atheist when he
> > feels
> > the devil biting on his butt will find religion and a supreme being
really
> > quick. Very few true atheists. There just waiting on the fence until
they
> > have to make a decision. Sometimes wish we could help them make a
> > decision.
> > Or as I believe General Norman H. Swarzkopf said. "It is God's
> > responsibilty to judge. It is our responsibilty to arrange the meeting."
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> You know what really bothers me is that we are supposed to have freedom
> >> of
> >> religion over here but the only ones who have that are the atheists.
> >>
> >> Jody
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David" <rocket(at)swmrmc.org>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
> >> >
> >> > Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this
list.
> >> >
> >> > Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone
is
> > as
> >> devoutly religious as some.
> >> >
> >> > This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is
> > innappropriate
> >> and offensive.
> >> >
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com> |
Dave,
You seem intolerant.
Good Luck with that.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of David
Subject: Commander-List: re: Prayer
To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
devoutly religious as some.
This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate
and offensive.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Gosh I'm glad there's another Heeb here. Last year I was in Cincinnati
during the Commander get-together but didn't know about it until afterward.
I really wanted to go this year, but it was scheduled on a day when even
non-observant Jews could not attend.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell
I didn't see the original posting, but as an observant Jew, I don't have any
problems with people of other religions practicing their religion so long as
its not exclusive and they respect mine.
From the description of the posting given, I don't see that it violated
that.
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Happy New Year.
Any one going to NBAA this year?
I will be there starting next Tuesday.
Wing Commander, Will you be in Las Vegas that week?
Tylor Hall
970-946-7472
Gosh I'm glad there's another Heeb here. Last year I was in Cincinnati
during the Commander get-together but didn't know about it until afterward.
I really wanted to go this year, but it was scheduled on a day when even
non-observant Jews could not attend.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell
I didn't see the original posting, but as an observant Jew, I don't have any
problems with people of other religions practicing their religion so long as
its not exclusive and they respect mine.
From the description of the posting given, I don't see that it violated
that.
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 07-Oct-04 22:05:17 Pacific Daylight Time,
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
> Any one going to NBAA this year?
> I will be there starting next Tuesday.
> Wing Commander, Will you be in Las Vegas that week?
>
I pray that I don't have to fly that week.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net> |
| Subject: | NBAA Convention Las Vegas, Oct 12-14 |
I will be at NBAA for the entire week. As I am a "worker bee" for my
company, please drop by and see me (and some very cool new Falcon Jets) at
the Falcon Jet Static Display on Tuesday AM until noon, or in the North
Convention Hall, Booth #3634, all day Wednesday and all day Thursday. We
will have the new EASy cockpit on display for the Falcon 900EX and 2000EX,
as well as detailed info on the new 7X, the first Fly by Wire corporate
aircraft (first flight this Spring) That's my post assignment!
Also, anyone interested in a FREE breakfast and a wonderful morning program,
that ends just as the Hall omens up, feel free to come to the Dassault
Family Breakfast at the Hilton Hotel Ballroom (next door to the Convention
Center) at 7:15 AM Wednesday. While passes were requested, we always have
ample room for walk-ins and never turn anyone away. (tell anyone who asks
that you are my guest...but no one will bother!)
George J. Yundt III
Dassault Falcon Jet Corp.
Cell Phone while in LAS: 312-371-7551
Twin Commander 685, N74CP Owner
george.yundt(at)falconjet.com
http://www.falconjet.com
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From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
In a message dated 07-Oct-04 22:05:17 Pacific Daylight Time,
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
> Any one going to NBAA this year?
> I will be there starting next Tuesday.
> Wing Commander, Will you be in Las Vegas that week?
>
I pray that I don't have to fly that week.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net> |
| Subject: | NBAA Convention Las Vegas, Oct 12-14 |
I will be at NBAA for the entire week. As I am a "worker bee" for my
company, please drop by and see me (and some very cool new Falcon Jets) at
the Falcon Jet Static Display on Tuesday AM until noon, or in the North
Convention Hall, Booth #3634, all day Wednesday and all day Thursday. We
will have the new EASy cockpit on display for the Falcon 900EX and 2000EX,
as well as detailed info on the new 7X, the first Fly by Wire corporate
aircraft (first flight this Spring) That's my post assignment!
Also, anyone interested in a FREE breakfast and a wonderful morning program,
that ends just as the Hall omens up, feel free to come to the Dassault
Family Breakfast at the Hilton Hotel Ballroom (next door to the Convention
Center) at 7:15 AM Wednesday. While passes were requested, we always have
ample room for walk-ins and never turn anyone away. (tell anyone who asks
that you are my guest...but no one will bother!)
George J. Yundt III
Dassault Falcon Jet Corp.
Cell Phone while in LAS: 312-371-7551
Twin Commander 685, N74CP Owner
george.yundt(at)falconjet.com
http://www.falconjet.com
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From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
In a message dated 07-Oct-04 22:05:17 Pacific Daylight Time,
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
> Any one going to NBAA this year?
> I will be there starting next Tuesday.
> Wing Commander, Will you be in Las Vegas that week?
>
I pray that I don't have to fly that week.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 10/7/2004 8:13:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rocket(at)swmrmc.org writes:
To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
devoutly religious as some.
This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is innappropriate
and offensive.
Dave
I missed the original post (Was doing a prey-buy on a 560F) I PRAY EVER
TIME I FLY, EVERY TIME. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU DO TOO. If anyone on this list
is in the least offended by the mention of prayer, I suggest you find another
aviation list. You are not required to accept any other opinion, but when
it comes to prayer, you would be strongly advised to do so, it works. God
Bless Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: NBAA Convention Las Vegas, Oct 12-14 |
In a message dated 10/9/2004 10:25:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
yundt(at)speakeasy.net writes:
I will be at NBAA for the entire week.
HI GEORGE!! I really enjoyed seeing you again at this years flyin, thanks
for coming!! Have a great week a NBAA jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
God belongs in all places and lest you forget, You would not be here if not
for God. Better take him with your where ever you go. You will probably
need him. Can't humble your self to that fact. Well hang around awhile and
he'll help you.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
> In a message dated 10/7/2004 8:13:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> rocket(at)swmrmc.org writes:
>
>
> To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>
> Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>
> Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is as
> devoutly religious as some.
>
> This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is
innappropriate
> and offensive.
>
> Dave
>
>
> I missed the original post (Was doing a prey-buy on a 560F) I PRAY EVER
> TIME I FLY, EVERY TIME. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU DO TOO. If anyone on
this list
> is in the least offended by the mention of prayer, I suggest you find
another
> aviation list. You are not required to accept any other opinion, but
when
> it comes to prayer, you would be strongly advised to do so, it works.
God
> Bless Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Martini Luc J.R." <martinil(at)comcast.net> |
I'll second that motion that this religious BS is inappropriate in this
group which is supposed to be aircraft oriented, not politically or
religiously.
The atheist, agnostics and those you regard as heathens seem to get along
just fine in this world without your version of God or Religion, and have
done so for far longer than your version of God and Religion has been
around; and lest you forget, if science was left in the hand of your
religious peers, you would still believe that the earth was flat and the
center of the universe; so take it to your church where it belongs and lets
get back to airplanes!
Luc Martini
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> God belongs in all places and lest you forget, You would not be here if
> not
> for God. Better take him with your where ever you go. You will probably
> need him. Can't humble your self to that fact. Well hang around awhile
> and
> he'll help you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/7/2004 8:13:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>> rocket(at)swmrmc.org writes:
>>
>>
>> To my knowledge this is an aviation (twin commander) oriented list.
>>
>> Religion belongs in the heart, the home, and church. Not on this list.
>>
>> Not everyone who peruses this forum is a Christian and not everyone is
>> as
>> devoutly religious as some.
>>
>> This most recent diatribe about a Christian prater group is
> innappropriate
>> and offensive.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> I missed the original post (Was doing a prey-buy on a 560F) I PRAY EVER
>> TIME I FLY, EVERY TIME. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU DO TOO. If anyone on
> this list
>> is in the least offended by the mention of prayer, I suggest you find
> another
>> aviation list. You are not required to accept any other opinion, but
> when
>> it comes to prayer, you would be strongly advised to do so, it works.
> God
>> Bless Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
You mean the earth is not flat?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martini Luc J.R." <martinil(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
> I'll second that motion that this religious BS is inappropriate in this
> group which is supposed to be aircraft oriented, not politically or
> religiously.
> The atheist, agnostics and those you regard as heathens seem to get along
> just fine in this world without your version of God or Religion, and have
> done so for far longer than your version of God and Religion has been
> around; and lest you forget, if science was left in the hand of your
> religious peers, you would still believe that the earth was flat and the
> center of the universe; so take it to your church where it belongs and
lets
> get back to airplanes!
>
> Luc Martini
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: re: Prayer
>
>
July 28, 2004 - October 09, 2004
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