Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bj
December 17, 2004 - January 23, 2005
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Engine Oil Heaters |
Anyone got the best suggestion for engine/oil heaters for use on the
500S/IO-540? Is there a dip-stick type rather than glue-on-pad that is approved?
Ken Hyde
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| From: | TILLMAN333(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Oil Heaters |
Ken,
Hair dryers always work.
No joke.
Gary Tillman, Pres.
Av. Ins. Brokers of NA
http://www.flysafeinsurance.com/
800-228-4283
706-291-4077 office
706-238-1143 cell
706-232-3081 fax
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
"john MCNULTY" , "MOE MILLS"
ALL, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT AS OF TODAY 12-17-2004 THE CENTURY 2000 AUTO PILOT
SYSTEM IS STC FOR SHORT BODY FLAT NACELLED COMMANDERS! NOW ALL I HAVE TO DO
IS LEARN HOW TO USE IT. MASON N2001M AC68 FP
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Oil Heaters |
I (my mechanic) is in the process of putting engine heaters on my newly
(6 mo.ago) 500S. we are going with a Tanis heater but not the one with
the probes (~1000.00/eng.) since we didn't want to do anything to
interfere with the multiprobe eng. Analyzer. The one that we are using
utilizes a heater element in the oil drain plug and pads that fit under
the valve covers. This is only ~500.00 per eng. But Tanis strongly
suggests engine blankets at 500.00/eng. That we are going to use. I fly
up to an Island north of Charlevoix Mi. in the winter and need some sort
of oil heater.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Engine Oil Heaters
Anyone got the best suggestion for engine/oil heaters for use on the
500S/IO-540? Is there a dip-stick type rather than glue-on-pad that is
approved?
Ken Hyde
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
> ALL, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT AS OF TODAY 12-17-2004 THE CENTURY 2000
> AUTO PILOT SYSTEM IS STC FOR SHORT BODY FLAT NACELLED COMMANDERS!
Congrats Mason!
I know this has been a huge effort and imagine you must be very pleased
to have it completed. Can't wait to see 2001M in person! How are the
rest of your issues progressing?
chris
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| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
"MOE MILLS"
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Thank You Mason:
You have done a great service to all Aero Commander Owners.
Regards:
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
; "MOE MILLS"
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> ALL, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT AS OF TODAY 12-17-2004 THE CENTURY 2000 AUTO
> PILOT SYSTEM IS STC FOR SHORT BODY FLAT NACELLED COMMANDERS! NOW ALL I
> HAVE TO DO IS LEARN HOW TO USE IT. MASON N2001M AC68 FP
>
>
>
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| From: | "John McNulty" <JMcNulty(at)socalpizza.com> |
I think I was a little more direct in responding to Mason's
announcement.
I said something like "I love you!!!" We should all be very grateful
to
Mason - he's given us all a great Christmas present all wrapped up in a
shiny bow.....
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| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Santa Maria (CA) Fly-in Weekend (April 22-24 2005) - SMXgig |
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this
announcement for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria,
CA) has become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of
electronically networked aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we
expect this year's gig to be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend,
and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are April
22-24, 2005 (Friday-Sunday). It's a lot of fun, and a great chance for
pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc.
I have had quite a few inquiries about SMXgig, especially from several
groups, so I anticipate that it's going to fill up this year.
The sessions are still being developed, but I will post an update when we
have the roster of speakers and their sessions.
The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can
get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at
all, just let me know, and thanks!
~Cory Emberson
KHWD
cory(at)smxgig.org
>>>NOTICE TO AIRMEN<<<
The Seventeenth Annual SMXgig
April 22-24, 2005
PRE-REGISTRATION
SMXgig 2005 will be held from April 22-24, 2005, at the Santa Maria, CA,
Radisson, right on the airport ramp. Because of the anticipated demand,
we'll start registration soon, and are now taking pre-registration
reservations with a small ($50 per person) deposit. The deposit may be paid
by check, PayPal, and all major credit cards. Of course, if the unexpected
occurs and you're not able to make SMXgig after all (sniff!), your deposit
will be fully refundable within the refund window (usually about two weeks
before the gig).
Your pre-registration and deposit will guarantee your SMXgig reservation. As
soon as I have the rest of the program finalized, we'll start the regular
registration process. If you believe you can make it, please reserve your
spot with this pre-registration form. First come, first served! The hotel is
otherwise sold out during that weekend, so it will be nice to know you've
got a place in line. You do *not* need to register with the hotel - just
give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
SUPERSONIC SURVIVOR
Hanging in the straps of his parachute and feeling the cold night air on his
face, Brian Udell felt as if a freight train had collided with his body. As
he struggled to inflate his life preserver before plunging into the icy
waters of the Atlantic Ocean, he realized it had shredded with the force of
the supersonic windblast.
With his teeth and one functioning arm, Brian feverishly retrieved a one-man
life raft that hung from a fifteen-foot lanyard off his right hip only
seconds before entering the water. After popping back to the surface like a
bobber on a fishing line, the salt water made him painfully aware of the
open wounds, cuts, and scrapes that were strewn over his broken body. The
thought of blood pouring into the water inviting sharks for a late night
meal motivated him to attempt to get into the partially inflated raft.
As he kicked his legs, Brian's lower limbs felt as though only a thread
attached them. Exhausted and unable to enter the raft, thoughts of death
quickly consumed his mind. Knowing he would be unable to survive the night
under the extreme conditions, Brian began to pray. The next several hours of
survival and the many months of excruciating rehabilitation deliver an
almost unbelievable story.
Brian holds the record for surviving the highest speed ejection from a U.S.
Fighter Aircraft at nearly 800 MPH. He survived four grueling hours 65 miles
off the Atlantic Coast in 60-degree water, 5-foot seas, and 15 MPH winds at
night. Brian's determination, perseverance, faith, and sheer will to survive
is unparalleled. His story of survival, recovery, and return to the Strike
Eagle is an inspiration to everyone.
Brian is a very accomplished aviator. He began flying at age nine and took
his first cross-country flight at age ten. Since that time he has
accumulated over 4000 hours in a variety of both civil and military
aircraft.
He was one of only sixty candidates across the United States selected to
attend the Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training program. Brian graduated
number one in his class and was awarded the Air Training Command -
Commanders Cup Trophy. Brian was one of the first Lieutenants selected to
fly the F-15E Strike Eagle. He graduated from Strike Eagle training and
received the top academic award. Brian went on to his operational unit where
he became an Instructor, Mission Commander, and Air to Ground Top Gun
winner. He has flown over 100 combat missions in Southwest Asia and logged
nearly 2000 hours in the Strike Eagle.
Brian received four Air Medals and three Aerial Achievement Medal for combat
missions over the skies of Iraq. Brian's military career spanned ten years.
He left the Air Force in 1999 and he is currently a pilot with Southwest
Airlines.
"Brian Udell kept us spellbound for 45 minutes. You could hear a pin drop,
except when he made everyone laugh. The story of his four-hour ordeal was
gripping and moving. He certainly won the audience."
T. Karr, President
Carolina Aero Club
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee
that covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the
organizers. The fee will be determined with the events is finalized (it
should be about $170), and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet, featuring Capt. Brian Udell, Supersonic
Survivor
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday SMX-style BBQ lunch
- Saturday evening events (to be announced)
- Saturday evening movie extravaganza
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- BFUB transportation to (and from) the Saturday evening event
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or
double room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you
check in as a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our
definitive preference listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early
registration can only help, but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to
availability depending on how many existing guests are in those rooms.
>>>SMXgig 2005<<<
April 22-24, 2005
ELECTRONIC PRE-REGISTRATION FORM
When you send your pre-registration, receipt of your deposit will be noted,
and your registration updated when the full registration process begins. The
credit card information for your hotel reservation will be requested at that
time.
Please fill in as completely as possible and send to Cory Emberson via:
1. Email at registration(at)smxgig.org .
2. Fax at: 510.782.0415
3. Regular mail to:
Cory Emberson - SMXgig
20511 Skywest Drive
Hayward, CA 94541
If youre making your deposit by credit card, and dont feel comfortable
emailing that information, please feel free to call me at 510.783.4410. If
you get my voicemail, I will return your call. Otherwise, both regular mail
or fax are safe.
GENERAL INFORMATION
Your name: _____________________________
Your email address: ____________________
Your daytime phone: (___) ___-____
Your evening phone: (___) ___-____
This form is: _ an original pre-registration
_ an amended pre-registration
_ a cancellation
How confident are you of attending?:
__ almost certain
__ probably
__ maybe
Anticipated arrival date and time: ________ at about ____
Departure date and time: ________ at about ____
How are you getting to SMX?:
__ Own plane, type __ N#_____
__ Hitching with_____________
__ Airline flight into_____
Number of attendees in your group: __
Names of others in your group:______________________________
HOTEL RESERVATION INFO
Number of rooms: __
Number of persons: __
Special requests:
__ King bed
__ Queen/Queen bed
__ Double/Double bed
__ Smoking
__ Non-smoking
__ Other:____________________
Sharing room with:_____________________________
CREDIT CARD INFO:
Card #__________________________ exp.______
PayPal address: bootless(at)earthlink.net
ANTICIPATED EVENT ATTENDANCE
Number of people in my party who I expect to attend the following events:
Friday afternoon welcome party ___
Friday evening dinner banquet: __
Saturday morning technical sessions: __
Saturday lunch barbecue: __
Saturday evening event (TBD): __
Sunday morning technical sessions: __
We look forward to seeing you there!
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Yes Mason thank you very much. I already have an appointment with Commander
Aero in Dayton to have one installed next month. This is so exciting, that
I was going to take off this weekend, however, Gary and Tim advised that
Century is back ordered about a month.
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John McNulty" <JMcNulty(at)socalpizza.com>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> I think I was a little more direct in responding to Mason's
> announcement.
>
> I said something like "I love you!!!" We should all be very grateful
> to
>
> Mason - he's given us all a great Christmas present all wrapped up in a
>
> shiny bow.....
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Congratulations Mason (and your 680FP)!
Thanks for blazing that trail.
Wing Commander Gordon
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Jerry,
How is your airplane. I was at the Auxiliary training weekend when your
nacelle was damaged.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Thank You Mason:
You have done a great service to all Aero Commander Owners.
Regards:
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
; "MOE MILLS"
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> ALL, PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT AS OF TODAY 12-17-2004 THE CENTURY 2000 AUTO
> PILOT SYSTEM IS STC FOR SHORT BODY FLAT NACELLED COMMANDERS! NOW ALL I
> HAVE TO DO IS LEARN HOW TO USE IT. MASON N2001M AC68 FP
>
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Mogas in the 500 |
Kevin,
Certainly the 500A onwards TCDS calls up 100/130 ( no mention of 100LL,
hadn't been thought of then, but in many places, IF Avgas is available,
100LL is all there is) but the fact remains that the IO-470M was certified
on 90/96.
Re. 100LL v. 100/130, combustion wise they are the same, at the "auto rich"
fuel/air ratio, it is 130 octane, overkill for an engine certified for
"auto-rich" of 96.
If my memory serves me correctly, 90/96 disappeared off the scene in the
'50's, so it would not have made much sense to certify an aircraft to a
fuel that had been discontinued, leaving 80/86 ,100/130 and 115/145. The
latter rapidly became extinct with the disappearance of large number of of
the big pistons, certainly around the western Pacific, as I recall 115/145
was rare outside military bases by the late '60's. By the time the DC-6Bs
of Ansett and Trans Australian Airlines were withdrawn from service,
155/145 had long since been of historical interest only, meaning that the
aircraft could only be operated at 100/130 power levels. To this day, with
the R1820-86A/B? in T-28, and the R1820-86 in the Tracker, we no longer
have the original T.O power of 1475 or 1625 HP available, effectively we
operate at METO power.
I face the possibility of winding up in places where I can't get drum
stocks delivered, and for the occasional load to get me somewhere where
proper Avgas is available, all I will have available will be MoGas,
unleaded, suitable dosed up with lead replacement lubricant and octane
boosters carried with me, the latter just to be on the safe side.
Fortunately, I am in a position to cover this "legally", without doing a
full STC, probably an avenue not available in US.
All the best to everybody for Christmas and the New Year.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
ZK-DCF
At 15:43 17/12/2004, you wrote:
>
>
>
>Listers,
>
>Hello this past week there has been great debate regarding the pros and cons
>about flying mogas in the straight 500. Kindly, refer to
>www.aerocommander.com and review the model specific information which Dan
>Dominguez and Chris Wall crafted from Aero Commander aircraft flight manuals
>and Pilot Handbooks. The fuel octane states 91/96 while other 500 series
>aircraft require 100/130 octane fuel. I hope this helps.
>
>Kevin Coons
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
>Collman
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Three bladed props for 500
>
><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi Curtis,
>
>Any Commander "500" with a three-blade prop is undoubtedly not a straight
>Model
>500.
>
>It could be, but as far as I know there are only a few which have had
>three-blade props installed, as a modification:
>
>s/n 618 had Hartzell HC-A3VK-2B/V7636D-4 props and Kensair Corporation, of
>Broomfield, Colorado, evidently gained STC number SA1547WE for such a
>modification.
>
>s/n 639 also had Hartzell HC-A3VK-2B/V7636D props and Riley Aeronautics
>subsequently gained STC number SA257CE for such a modification.
>
>s/n 740 also had Hartzell HC-A3VK-2B/V7636D props under STC number
>SA1735SO.
>
>There are also several other Models in the "500" range, namely the 500A,
>500B,
>500U and 500S.
>
>The 500A normally has 2-blade props, but with the Colemill "Super 300"
>modification, three-blade props are installed on Continental IO-520-E
>engines,
>which replace the standard Continental IO-470-M engines.
>
>The other three Models all use Lycoming IO-540 series engines
>(-B1A5, -B1C5, -E1A5, or -E1B5) with 3-blade props.
>
>The straight 500 Model has the deep "Bathtub" nacelles, whereas the others
>have
>the "Speedline" nacelles, which are a lot slimmer in profile.
>
>There is not much to choose between the 500B, 500U and 500S
>performance-wise,
>but the last two were Certificated in both the Standard & Utility categories
>CofA.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Barry Collman
>UK "CommanderLand" Rep.)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Curtis Perry" <cperry(at)subictel.com>
>To: "not processed: message from valid local sender"
>
>Subject: Commander-List: Three bladed props for 500
>
>
>|
>| I think I see in the photo gallery pictures of Twin Commander 500s with
>| three bladed props. I've contacted both Hartzell and MaCauley and both
>| have said they don't have a three bladed prop for the O 540 A2B engines
>| on the 500. Can anyone tell me if there is a three bladed conversion
>| which has been used?
>|
>| Curtis Perry
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>
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| Subject: | Save the Aero Commander 520 |
Guys,
Well, the only person who responded to my first email was Derek Monk, another
Brit who would like to help save a piece of American heritage. Derek is putting
together the text for our book on the Commander history.
Good news and bad news on Serial Number 1.
The Commander is atop an Okayama kounan Airport building and the props have been
removed. Serial Number 1 will be disposed of at the time of the building's
demolition, which is scheduled for January 30th. It is evidently permanently
fixed by Hi-shear rivets between the wing and fuselage so I understand
separation is hard work, especially given the time-scale.
The good news? Well, the airport is next door to Okayama harbor and the runway
is adjacent to Kojima Lake. There is a long bank between the Lake and the Bay,
including two water gates, although their height & width isn't known.
When the demolition starts, the on-site construction crane could be used to lift
the Commander onto a barge.
The Commander was the first twin-engined aircraft considered safe enough for use
by the President.
One Model was the World's first pressurized light twin.
Numerous World records were set by Commanders.
No doubt there are many other noteworthy items of heritage.
So, do we want to try and save No. 1, or just let her turn into Cola cans?
The choice, of course, is yours but two Brits are willing to contribute if
enough support can be found.
Sincerely,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi guys,
|
| For me, it will be a very sad day if we lose the very first production Aero
| Commander.
|
| The prototype (L-3805) has already been saved, being on exhibition in the
| Oklahoma City State Fairgrounds. My understanding is that when funds are
| available, it will be taken down from the pole it is sitting atop, and work
| undertaken to refurbish it for the benefit of future generations.
|
| Model 520, serial number 1, N4100B was rolled out on August 24th 1951 and made
| its first flight on August 27th.
| It was later sold to the giant Asahi-Shimbun Newspaper Company in Tokyo, Japan
| and the registration mark JA5001 was the first one issued in the new
| twin-engined piston aircraft series. They named it 'Hatsukaze', meaning 'First
| Wind'. After passing through two further owners, it was placed on permanent
| display on roof-top museum at Okayama Airport in September 1963.
|
| So, the question is, do we allow this aircraft to be scrapped?
|
| If not, what can be done to save it?
|
| Of course, the cost involved is probably like 'how long is a bit of string' at
| the moment, but if anyone has any ideas from previous experience, let us know.
|
| Could the Flight Group participate, along with, say, the City of Oklahoma, the
| Service Centers?
|
| It seems we need to move fairly quickly, so if anybody has a bright idea, let
us
| know!
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
| To:
| Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: FW: save the aero-commander 520
|
| Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
| Subject: FW: save the aero-commander 520
| Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:27:24 -0800
| From: "Jeff Cousins" <jcousins(at)twincommander.com>
| To: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
|
| Jim:
|
| Sounds like this one has already left the realm of flight.
|
| Jeff Cousins
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Geoffrey Pence
| To: Jeff Cousins
| Subject: RE: save the aero-commander 520
|
| The aircraft referenced is S/N 520-1
| Delivered to Asshi Shimbum Press August 21, 1952
| The last I heard it was on static display in Japan.
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Jeff Cousins
| To: Ted Finck; Pierre Debruge; Geoffrey Pence; Jim Metzger (yourtcfg(at)aol.com)
| Subject: FW: save the aero-commander 520
|
| FYI. If anyone knows of someone interested in a 520??????
|
| Jeff Cousins
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: TASM [mailto:tasm(at)npotown.net]
| To: Jeff Cousins
| Subject: save the aero-commander 520
|
| From Takamasa koda
| Dear sir,
| We are worried about the most rare airplane that was made after the WW-2 named
| AERO COMMANDER 520.
| I've heard of this airplane is the first product AERO COMMANDER.
| The owner wants to know how to disposal the plane.
| It will be destroyed after shortly this month.
| No one wants to help this airplane in Japan.
| So, Please serarch quickly someone who can preserve this historic airplane.
|
| Owner's URL:http://www.pref.okayama.jp/doboku/kounan/top.html
| Phone: 086-262-0954
| Fax : 086-262-5220
| Address: Kounan airport
| 639-1 Urayasu minami-cho
| Okayama shi 702-8024
| c/o Kounan airport
| Okayama pref.
| JAPAN
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Save the Aero Commander 520 |
In the name of the Queen, I'll toss in a few hundred American dollars.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Save the Aero Commander 520 |
Barry Collman wrote:
> So, do we want to try and save No. 1, or just let her turn into Cola cans?
It will be a sad day if #1 ends up in the trash bin Barry. That said, I
suspect this is simply too large a task to undertake as a "labor of
love" considering the location. What we need is for the TCFG to try to
round up a couple of corporate sponsors or a museum. Jim - have you
talked to TCAC or any of the service centers about supporting a rescue
mission? Maybe one of the presidential museums could fund an effort.
They seem to be well-funded. How about the Evergreen folks? They're up
in your neck of the woods and this would be a trivial task for them.
(would be a good excuse to roll the spruce goose out for some air time
:-) Chris and Dan probably still have a lot of good contacts...
Still pondering...
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Save the Aero Commander 520 |
In a message dated 12/20/2004 4:18:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
> How about the Evergreen folks?
I'll give them a try. The factory is not intereste, they sent me the
original email. I am afrad this one may get away, but I'll try!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Save the Aero Commander 520 |
tcfg/bc, count me in for help and a couple hundred and logistics help since I am
close also. mason 2001m
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Schuermann<mailto:cschuerm(at)cox.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
Barry Collman wrote:
> So, do we want to try and save No. 1, or just let her turn into Cola cans?
It will be a sad day if #1 ends up in the trash bin Barry. That said, I
suspect this is simply too large a task to undertake as a "labor of
love" considering the location. What we need is for the TCFG to try to
round up a couple of corporate sponsors or a museum. Jim - have you
talked to TCAC or any of the service centers about supporting a rescue
mission? Maybe one of the presidential museums could fund an effort.
They seem to be well-funded. How about the Evergreen folks? They're up
in your neck of the woods and this would be a trivial task for them.
(would be a good excuse to roll the spruce goose out for some air time
:-) Chris and Dan probably still have a lot of good contacts...
Still pondering...
Chris
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| From: | "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
Hi freinds:
I looking for one or two fuel boost pumps for a 680F. Any ideas??
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From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
tcfg/bc, count me in for help and a couple hundred and logistics help since
I am
close also. mason 2001m
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From: Chris Schuermann<mailto:cschuerm(at)cox.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
>
Barry Collman wrote:
> So, do we want to try and save No. 1, or just let her turn into Cola
cans?
It will be a sad day if #1 ends up in the trash bin Barry. That said, I
suspect this is simply too large a task to undertake as a "labor of
love" considering the location. What we need is for the TCFG to try to
round up a couple of corporate sponsors or a museum. Jim - have you
talked to TCAC or any of the service centers about supporting a rescue
mission? Maybe one of the presidential museums could fund an effort.
They seem to be well-funded. How about the Evergreen folks? They're up
in your neck of the woods and this would be a trivial task for them.
(would be a good excuse to roll the spruce goose out for some air time
:-) Chris and Dan probably still have a lot of good contacts...
Still pondering...
Chris
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| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel boost pump |
I Have 2 with new bearings inthe motors and new seals in the pumps, Set to
your PSI
Harry
321 267-3141
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From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel boost pump
>
>
> Hi freinds:
>
> I looking for one or two fuel boost pumps for a 680F. Any ideas??
>
>
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> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
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>
> tcfg/bc, count me in for help and a couple hundred and logistics help
> since
> I am
> close also. mason 2001m
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Schuermann<mailto:cschuerm(at)cox.net>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
>
>
> >
>
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
> > So, do we want to try and save No. 1, or just let her turn into Cola
> cans?
>
> It will be a sad day if #1 ends up in the trash bin Barry. That said, I
> suspect this is simply too large a task to undertake as a "labor of
> love" considering the location. What we need is for the TCFG to try to
> round up a couple of corporate sponsors or a museum. Jim - have you
> talked to TCAC or any of the service centers about supporting a rescue
> mission? Maybe one of the presidential museums could fund an effort.
> They seem to be well-funded. How about the Evergreen folks? They're up
> in your neck of the woods and this would be a trivial task for them.
> (would be a good excuse to roll the spruce goose out for some air time
> :-) Chris and Dan probably still have a lot of good contacts...
>
> Still pondering...
> Chris
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Sorry to report that N616CT, a 1962 500B is gone. It was the victim of the salvage
mans saw as a result of the Florida hurricane season. The roof was caved
in as well as the nose. The rudder was crushed and the wings have been removed
just inboard of the nacelles.
bilbo
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel boost pump |
A merry Christmas to you all. It was an honor to chat with you all over the
last year. May 2005 be a very prosperous year for all in Commander land.
Thanks
Nico
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From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel boost pump
>
> Hi freinds:
>
> I looking for one or two fuel boost pumps for a 680F. Any ideas??
>
>
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> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
>
>
> tcfg/bc, count me in for help and a couple hundred and logistics help
since
> I am
> close also. mason 2001m
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Schuermann<mailto:cschuerm(at)cox.net>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Save the Aero Commander 520
>
>
> >
>
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
> > So, do we want to try and save No. 1, or just let her turn into Cola
> cans?
>
> It will be a sad day if #1 ends up in the trash bin Barry. That said, I
> suspect this is simply too large a task to undertake as a "labor of
> love" considering the location. What we need is for the TCFG to try to
> round up a couple of corporate sponsors or a museum. Jim - have you
> talked to TCAC or any of the service centers about supporting a rescue
> mission? Maybe one of the presidential museums could fund an effort.
> They seem to be well-funded. How about the Evergreen folks? They're up
> in your neck of the woods and this would be a trivial task for them.
> (would be a good excuse to roll the spruce goose out for some air time
> :-) Chris and Dan probably still have a lot of good contacts...
>
> Still pondering...
> Chris
>
>
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
"commander-list" ,
"DAN BRUHL" , "JOE PACE" ,
"SCOTT PARKER" ,
"TROY WELCH" ,
"W. Kent Riley"
| Subject: | Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington<mailto:jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: FW: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
This is long but hard to put down and the end was the kicker.
Jim
Subject: FW: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
2003 Hugh Gordon-Burge Trophy Awarded to DHL Flight Crew
Prestigious award given to crew of Airbus hit by missile as they were leaving Baghdad
The Guild of Air Pilots and Air Navigators, a British organization formed in 1929,
promotes air safety by presenting trophies and other awards for outstanding
performance in aviation by individuals or organizations. The Hugh Gordon-Burge
Memorial Award is given to the Captain, a member of a flight deck crew, or
a cabin attendant whose actions contribute outstandingly by the saving of his/her
aircraft or passengers, or made a significant contribution to future air safety.
The Guild has awarded the 2003 Hugh Gordon-Burge Award to Captain Eric Gennotte,
First Officer Steeve Michielsen and Flight Engineer Mario Rofail. All three
work for DHL. The text of the award is transcribed here, verbatim.
On 22nd November 2003, a DHL A300 B4 had been airborne from Baghdad Airport for
just over 3 minutes when the calm in the cockpit was shattered by the sound of
a loud bang. At about 8,000ft an explosion was heard, followed by a cacophony
of aural warnings and visual displays showing a master warning on all flight
controls.
Unbeknown to the crew at that time, the aircraft had been struck by a missile.
The Flight Engineer, Mario Rofail, called that the green and yellow hydraulic
systems were lost, and as he started preparing for the double hydraulic loss emergency
checklist procedure the Captain, Eric Gennotte, announced that he was
having difficulty controlling the aircraft. The First Officer, Steeve Michielsen,
tried unsuccessfully to assist the Captain to try and regain control. The
F/E then announced that the third hydraulic system was lost as well. At that
point the crew realized that there was little likelihood that the flight controls
would become functional again. There was no emergency checklist or procedure
to help them recover from this scenario. The situation appeared hopeless and
they were very much on their own.
The aircraft was without conventional pilot input. The stick and rudder were ineffective.
The flight control surfaces deprived of their hydraulic muscle, were
aligned with the airflow (hinge moment zero).
The configuration was frozen: Slats and flaps could not be extended Spoilers were
no longer controllable The position of the horizontal stabilizer could not
be adjusted. It was and continued to remain at the trim position for 215 Knots
with climb thrust. (This setting was to pose particular challenges for the crew
as they attempted to stabilize the aircraft for an approach descent profile)
A state of emergency was declared by Steeve to ATC. The crew was told that the
left engine was on fire. Mario advised his fellow crew members that this was
not possible since all engine indications and fire warning systems were normal.
However, with no hydraulics and a fire visible from the left wing he knew
the aircraft was seriously damaged.
The tension was extreme on the flight deck. The disbelief was felt by all the crew
members.
Eric announced that they could control the pitch attitude by adjusting thrust.
Then began a learning period during which Eric, Steeve and Mario, discovered how
to control the pitch by modulating thrust. Initially the thrust lever movements
were large and essentially symmetrical, and the aircraft thus continued a
wide, unsteady,
360 degree turn to the left.
The crew found that they could effectively stop the climb by reducing thrust, which
caused an initial airspeed decrease whilst the nose dropped, but then the
airspeed started to increase.
They had to cope with this apparent paradox, due to the change in pitching moment
that could not be corrected by the jammed horizontal stabilizer. The initial
climb at 215 knots was changed into a shallow controlled descent by reducing
thrust, leading to an unavoidable speed increase: Between 10,000 and 5,000 feet,
IAS varied between
270 and
290 knots.
At that time Eric ordered the extension of the landing gear by the emergency gravity
extension procedure, even though the speed exceeded the maximum allowed
for landing gear extension.
Mario successfully manually extended the gear. It made a lot of noise since the
gear doors remained open. The extended gear provided additional drag, which helped
stabilize the aircraft. This was the only means to bring the speed back
towards 210 knots. The decision to extend the gear so early on proved to be a
vital decision.
With the aircraft controllable in pitch around level flight and at a speed compatible
with landing, Eric, supported by Steeve and Mario, set about learning to
control the direction of flight.
Asymmetric handling of the throttles could control bank. When the left engine alone
was accelerated, the wings returned to the horizontal, similarly when the
right engine only was retarded the same leveling effect could be achieved.
This was a very difficult procedure to perform, especially when trying simultaneously
to maintain horizontal flight and follow a heading:
The response to thrust change appeared rapidly in pitch, but roll response was
delayed, since the roll resulted from the sideslip induced by the asymmetric thrust,
and there was a lag before this took effect. Since the left wing was damaged,
the degree of asymmetric thrust had to be found which was sufficient to
compensate for the asymmetry of lift, and it had to be maintained while the thrust
was adjusted to control the slope; easier said than done Eric was effectively
flying an experimental aircraft and was continually gaining experience in
manipulating the aircraft by the throttles. Steeve provided close assistance
making some corrective inputs. There were a few rather alarming roll excursions
beyond 30 degrees during that time. The aircraft remained very difficult to
control, however confidence was gained as the flight progressed.
Eventually, they could consider navigation back to the field which had been lost
from sight during the "training maneuvers". Steeve took on the navigation. He
suggested that a long final of at least 20 nautical miles was needed. The aircraft
started a second 360 degree orbit, this time under more control. Eric started
a right turn to come back towards runway 33R, the longer of the two runways
at Baghdad.
The descent flight path then had to be established. That was not simple either:
the descent angle selected by the average value of thrust was not easy to assess,
since the whole process was subject to oscillation. It was thus an average
descent angle that had to be judged, all the while maintaining the heading by
asymmetric adjustment of the engines.
To complicate matters further, the turbulence associated with a wind of
20 knots from 290 degrees (left crosswind component tended to excite natural oscillations,
and in addition GPWS warnings associated with the abnormal landing
configuration sounded repeatedly on short final.
Eric concentrated on the essential, keeping the aircraft under control and reaching
the airfield where the fire services could fight the fire on the left wing.
Steeve assisted with efficient and timely call-outs, announcing distances and altitudes.
He stressed the point that the power must not be completely reduced
on touch-down; otherwise, the symmetrical thrust would induce a turn to the left,
particularly undesirable just before ground contact.
Mario, who, in addition to a close watch on all the systems, monitored the fuel
remaining in the damaged left wing. It was vital that both engines were kept
running by ensuring a positive supply of fuel and ignition. If one of the engines
had lost power or failed, the aircraft and crew would have certainly been
lost. He was therefore prepared to open the cross feed in case the left main tank
emptied, but not too soon, because the fuel in the right wing would then be
lost through the leak on the left side. Furthermore, he was able to relieve
both pilots by taking over all radio communication and made sure the aircraft
was depressurized before touchdown to guarantee a successful emergency evacuation.
Mario contacted ATC for an updated visual assessment to request if the aircraft
was still on fire. A military helicopter replied that the left wing was on fire
and that the flame was the length of the aircraft
(50 meters). In spite of the extreme stress, Mario had the courtesy to say "thank
you" to the controller. He also requested that both runways
33L and 33R be kept free and that all emergency services be ready.
The tension again increased as the ground approached. At
250ft, the pitch attitude, still slowly oscillating, dropped towards a negative
value, which was most alarming so close to the ground. It was restored nose-up
by a large increase in the thrust on both engines.
Towards 100ft, the aircraft was tracking to the runway threshold, but with a heading
ten degrees less than the orientation of the runway. Eric made his final
lateral control correction, reducing the right engine only. The aircraft banked
to the right and the angle of convergence began to diminish.
Twenty-five long minutes after impact of the missile, the A300 B4 finally landed
on runway 33L, without further damage:
At a positive pitch attitude With a moderate sink rate (less than
10ft/sec, far below the tolerances for the landing gear) At an angle of bank of
ten degrees to the right, and heading diverging about eight degrees to the left
of the runway axis Without any direct means of directional control, however,
the aircraft rapidly went off the side of the runway. The throttles were retarded
and selected to full reverse by Mario. The sandy ground provided a significant
extra braking force and the aircraft, in spite of the high speed at touchdown,
stopped after a landing run of the order of one kilometer, raising an
impressive cloud of sand behind it.
After engine shutdown the crew evacuated the aircraft from the right, inches away
from a coil of razor wire. They ran a safe distance from the aircraft as the
wing was still on fire only to be intercepted by some military emergency services
personnel who warned them that they were standing in a possible mine field.
Their incredible feat was almost spoiled after taking their first steps back
on the ground.
For their amazing and momentous actions in the saving of their aircraft, the Hugh
Gordon-Burge Memorial Award is presented to each crewmember of the DHL flight.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
they earned that award!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
I have a set of pictures(15) of the incident, if anyone is intrested in
them.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
> they earned that award!! jb
>
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
I would love to see them.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
> I have a set of pictures(15) of the incident, if anyone is intrested in
> them.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
>
> >
> > they earned that award!! jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
Do a Google search for EHOWA (Ernie's House of Whoop Ass) and look under military
stuff. There are the A300 pics as well as some other airplane crash pics.
WARNING: EHOWA is not safe for work.
Brock
-----Original Message-----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:29:31
To:
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
I would love to see them.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
> I have a set of pictures(15) of the incident, if anyone is intrested in
> them.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
>
> >
> > they earned that award!! jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
Hum, even crowd killer pilots can earn their wings eh JB. Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
Did I ever get lost in that site.
Phew!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
> Do a Google search for EHOWA (Ernie's House of Whoop Ass) and look under
military stuff. There are the A300 pics as well as some other airplane
crash pics. WARNING: EHOWA is not safe for work.
>
> Brock
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:29:31
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
>
> I would love to see them.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
>
> >
> > I have a set of pictures(15) of the incident, if anyone is intrested in
> > them.
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > they earned that award!! jb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
Yeah I think Ernie has some issues! Fun reads, though...
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
> Did I ever get lost in that site.
> Phew!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
>
> >
> > Do a Google search for EHOWA (Ernie's House of Whoop Ass) and look under
> military stuff. There are the A300 pics as well as some other airplane
> crash pics. WARNING: EHOWA is not safe for work.
> >
> > Brock
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:29:31
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
> >
>
> >
> > I would love to see them.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > I have a set of pictures(15) of the incident, if anyone is intrested
in
> > > them.
> > >
> > > bilbo
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > they earned that award!! jb
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad? |
In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:32:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
COMMANDER560(at)cs.com writes:
Hum, even crowd killer pilots can earn their wings eh JB. Joe
AMEN!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Here is another site that may be of interest |
Here's a bit on the DHL A300 that was shot at in Baghdad.
http://www.talkingproud.us/International051504.html
Apparently they performed a practice approach and missed approach, as well
as an approach to land. Fortunately the gutless wonders that fired the
missile had probably left the area and did not fire on the aircraft again.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Remember that A300 in Baghdad?
>
> In a message dated 12/27/2004 7:32:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> COMMANDER560(at)cs.com writes:
> Hum, even crowd killer pilots can earn their wings eh JB. Joe
> AMEN!! jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Series of still photos from Phuket |
Howdy,
For a stunning series of large JPEG photos, surf to http://www.pbase.com/issels/phuket_tsunami&page1 and just click through the thumbnails. Be sure to examine the largest image in the lower left hand corner.
Gary
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
wishing you all have a safe and happy NEW YEAR! MASON N2001M
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | HAPPY NEW YEAR!! |
HI KIDS...
I want to wish each of you a happy, safe and prosperous new year. It
was an honor to serve you as Director of the TCFG last year and I look
forward to 2005 being another great year. I thank all of you for your support
of
our organization. My God bless all of you this year.
Jim Metzger,
Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR!! |
Thanks, Jim. And to all of you too.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
>
> HI KIDS...
>
> I want to wish each of you a happy, safe and prosperous new year.
It
> was an honor to serve you as Director of the TCFG last year and I look
> forward to 2005 being another great year. I thank all of you for your
support of
> our organization. My God bless all of you this year.
>
> Jim Metzger,
> Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
Well, it's that time again. Anyone seen a reasonable price on some
2-cylinder goodyear brake pads?
For that matter, do 520s have an STC available for Cleveland brakes?
Thanx in advance
Bruce Campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
BTW, best wishes for a happy new year to all of you
Bruce Campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: brakes again |
Harry Merritt has some.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: brakes again
>
>
> Well, it's that time again. Anyone seen a reasonable price on some
> 2-cylinder goodyear brake pads?
>
> For that matter, do 520s have an STC available for Cleveland brakes?
>
> Thanx in advance
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net> |
| Subject: | 3 bladed conversion |
For what it's worth, many years ago I flew just about every old "bath tub" commander
made(although at the time they weren't very old). 1 comparison I recall
was between 2 520s, 1 with 2 blades & 1 with 3 blades. At the time most of our
flying involved gravel strips & unimproved landing sites so the main benefits
to us were less prop damage due to more ground clearance, less cabin noise,
slightly shorter TO distance & climb performance plus the fact that it was a factory
improvement as opposed to an after-market mod. Since the 3 blade upgrade
also included an increase of 15hp per engine, the increased TO & climb performance
wasn't due just to the 3 blades......plus the 2 bladder even with less
hp got slightly better cruise speeds. Fast forward to 16 years ago when we got
our present "straight" commander with 0540 lycs we looked into upgrading to 3
blade Black-Mac conversions & were assured that we could get approval for this
conversion but after getting the cost estimate we decided not to pursue it further
so I do not know the FAA's position. I did have a customer who had it done
to his 250 Comanche and was pleased as punch with it due mainly to the increased
ground clearance. I hope this is of some help to you.......Dan Brady the
desert duck.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT. |
Commander Drivers:
I need one only seat belt for an Aero Commander. The web part can be total junk,
however the buckle and the flat sheet metal piece that inserts into the buckle
must be serviceable. The buckle is stamped "American Safety 5000B3" and the
piece that inserts into the buckle has no markings at all. I do not need the
two pieces that bolt to the seat.
Anyone have an extra that they would be willing to sell?
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Where in the World is Ron Smith? |
All,
Sir Barry and I need to get hold of Ron Smith (Ted Smit's son) who left 2+
years ago on mission for the Mormon Church to Hawaii, after living in the
Sacramento, California, area.
If anyone knows where Ron is now, please let us know. His email address
bounces.
Thanks,
Wing Commander Gordon & Sir Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | 680 FP owner's manual |
I still have an owner's manual of a 680 FP. If there is enough interest, I
would like to reprint it and make it available to members. Anyone wish to
have a copy?
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT.
>
> Commander Drivers:
>
> I need one only seat belt for an Aero Commander. The web part can be
total junk, however the buckle and the flat sheet metal piece that inserts
into the buckle must be serviceable. The buckle is stamped "American Safety
5000B3" and the piece that inserts into the buckle has no markings at all.
I do not need the two pieces that bolt to the seat.
>
> Anyone have an extra that they would be willing to sell?
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
| Subject: | NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT. |
I will take a look in my box of goodies tomorrow.
Jody
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT.
Commander Drivers:
I need one only seat belt for an Aero Commander. The web part can be total
junk, however the buckle and the flat sheet metal piece that inserts into
the buckle must be serviceable. The buckle is stamped "American Safety
5000B3" and the piece that inserts into the buckle has no markings at all.
I do not need the two pieces that bolt to the seat.
Anyone have an extra that they would be willing to sell?
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680 FP owner's manual |
Nico,
Yes, I'd like a copy. I probably have one, but I couldn't find it if I had to
... and I feel more than a bit of nostalgia for the old beasts.
Let me know what it will take to get a copy from you.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT. |
I can check our supply.
Gary
Commander Aero
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT.
Commander Drivers:
I need one only seat belt for an Aero Commander. The web part can be total
junk, however the buckle and the flat sheet metal piece that inserts into
the buckle must be serviceable. The buckle is stamped "American Safety
5000B3" and the piece that inserts into the buckle has no markings at all.
I do not need the two pieces that bolt to the seat.
Anyone have an extra that they would be willing to sell?
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 FP owner's manual |
N, YOU CAN ORDER ONE FROM TWIN COMMANDER. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css<mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:13 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 680 FP owner's manual
I still have an owner's manual of a 680 FP. If there is enough interest, I
would like to reprint it and make it available to members. Anyone wish to
have a copy?
Let me know.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
To: >
Subject: Commander-List: NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT.
>
> Commander Drivers:
>
> I need one only seat belt for an Aero Commander. The web part can be
total junk, however the buckle and the flat sheet metal piece that inserts
into the buckle must be serviceable. The buckle is stamped "American Safety
5000B3" and the piece that inserts into the buckle has no markings at all.
I do not need the two pieces that bolt to the seat.
>
> Anyone have an extra that they would be willing to sell?
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Looking for cylinders |
I'm hunting for some good, used cylinders. If anyone has anything,
please let me know.
I'm looking for some clean, low-time narrow-deck Lycoming O-540 jugs.
Must be under 1000hrs total time and suitable for overhaul (no cracks).
Thanks,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for cylinders |
In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:00:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
I'm hunting for some good, used cylinders. If anyone has anything,
please let me know.
I'm looking for some clean, low-time narrow-deck Lycoming O-540 jugs.
Must be under 1000hrs total time and suitable for overhaul (no cracks).
Angle or parallel?? I thought you only use new?? Hope all is well this new
year. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Looking for cylinders |
Chris:
Try John Jackson at Pacific Continental Engines. 818-781-4947 He has good
stock of jugs and the contacts to find others.
Brock
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Subject: Commander-List: Looking for cylinders
I'm hunting for some good, used cylinders. If anyone has anything,
please let me know.
I'm looking for some clean, low-time narrow-deck Lycoming O-540 jugs.
Must be under 1000hrs total time and suitable for overhaul (no cracks).
Thanks,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for cylinders |
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
> Angle or parallel?? I thought you only use new?? Hope all is well this new
> year. jb
Howdy Jim.
Need parallel's for the piper. You're SO right.... It's killing me not
to be able to put new jugs on these engines, but the difference between
12 overhauled and 12 new is about $8500 and I just havn't managed to
come up with the money. Still hoping the bids will climb a bit higher
for that kidney I've got on ebay :-)
We inspected the 12 cylinders off my existing engines. They were all
first run 2000 hour jugs from a factory "zero-time" reman. About half
of them had cracks. I'm not willing to put welded-up cylinders back on,
so I'm looking for some good cores to overhaul. Figure there were a lot
of damaged birds from all the hurricanes this year and there just must
be some good, low-time jugs on the market.
cheers,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 FP owner's manual |
Thanks for the info, Mason. That'll take care of it.
I'll keep my copy, then, it has my fingerprints all over it.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680 FP owner's manual
>
> N, YOU CAN ORDER ONE FROM TWIN COMMANDER. MASON
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nico css<mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:13 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: 680 FP owner's manual
>
>
>
>
> I still have an owner's manual of a 680 FP. If there is enough interest,
I
> would like to reprint it and make it available to members. Anyone wish
to
> have a copy?
> Let me know.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
> To: >
> Subject: Commander-List: NEED COMMANDER SEAT BELT.
>
>
>
> >
> > Commander Drivers:
> >
> > I need one only seat belt for an Aero Commander. The web part can be
> total junk, however the buckle and the flat sheet metal piece that
inserts
> into the buckle must be serviceable. The buckle is stamped "American
Safety
> 5000B3" and the piece that inserts into the buckle has no markings at
all.
> I do not need the two pieces that bolt to the seat.
> >
> > Anyone have an extra that they would be willing to sell?
> >
> > Moe Mills
> > N680RR
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Goodyear brake pucks |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Wasn't someone just looking for these?
http://tinyurl.com/4jjw7
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Looking for cylinders |
In a message dated 1/4/2005 8:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
Figure there were a lot
of damaged birds from all the hurricanes this year and there just must
be some good, low-time jugs on the market.
Good plan. I had some angle vales, but on straight, sorry. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Goodyear brake pucks |
Thakn you
Bruce Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Goodyear brake pucks
>
> Wasn't someone just looking for these?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4jjw7
>
>
> --
> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
Hello good folks,
I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now. The right
prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws which holds
the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty finding a
spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The aircraft has
the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props are three-bladed.
If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for you tomorrow.
Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop spinner.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas?
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
> Hello good folks,
>
> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now.
The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws
which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty
finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
>
> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The
aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props
are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for
you tomorrow.
>
> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop
spinner.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Mansfield
> N91ES
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
Ray,
Don't know where you can get a spinner, but if they're still in business, SNH Welding
can do weld repairs on spinners.
They are aero-space certified welders; used to do subcontract work for Fairchild,
and are DERs as well.
Contact Gary Kromer at Commander-Aero in Dayton, OH, and ask if they're still able
to job out that kind of repair.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
SNH is located in SAT and their phone is 210-665-7765. They did some back
plates for me and were good people to work with.
Jim Addington
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
Hi CommanderLand,
I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW
installed.
We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length following
such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the Shrikes,
for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be
eternally grateful:
Model involved & s/n
Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing)
I imagine you'll need access to................
A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood
A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
A tape measure
.............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!!
If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then wait
in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll also
then know when they are all in.
I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help will
be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
Tom N47RR is finished, For sale asking $350,000.00, Make offer
Located in Titusville FL
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
>
> I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas?
> Tom F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
>
>>
>> Hello good folks,
>>
>> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now.
> The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws
> which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having
> difficulty
> finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
>>
>> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The
> aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props
> are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that
> for
> you tomorrow.
>>
>> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop
> spinner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Mansfield
>> N91ES
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
Hi CommanderLand,
I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW
installed.
We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length following
such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the Shrikes,
for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be
eternally grateful:
Model involved & s/n
Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing)
I imagine you'll need access to................
A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood
A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
A tape measure
.............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!!
If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then wait
in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll also
then know when they are all in.
I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help will
be very much appreciated.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
RM, CALL GARY KROMER AT COMMANDER AERO FOR SPINNER. MASON 2001M 888-881-5580
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas?
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net<mailto:hcourier(at)cox.net>>
To: >
Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
> Hello good folks,
>
> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now.
The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws
which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty
finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
>
> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The
aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props
are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for
you tomorrow.
>
> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop
spinner.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Mansfield
> N91ES
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
Hi Mason,
A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length.
Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional
'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi CommanderLand,
|
| I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW
| installed.
|
| We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
following
| such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the
Shrikes,
| for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
|
| If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be
| eternally grateful:
|
| Model involved & s/n
| Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing)
|
| I imagine you'll need access to................
| A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood
| A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| A tape measure
| .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!!
|
| If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then
wait
| in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll
also
| then know when they are all in.
|
| I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help
will
| be very much appreciated.
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
Hi Mason,
A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length.
Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the additional
'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
|
| Hi CommanderLand,
|
| I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW
| installed.
|
| We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
following
| such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the
Shrikes,
| for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
|
| If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll be
| eternally grateful:
|
| Model involved & s/n
| Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light housing)
|
| I imagine you'll need access to................
| A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood
| A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| A tape measure
| .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!!
|
| If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can then
wait
| in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits. I'll
also
| then know when they are all in.
|
| I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your help
will
| be very much appreciated.
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
Yeah, but more fun doing it the circuitous route! People stopping by to ask what
you're doing. To ask what the chalk marks are for. Possibilities to amuse them
are endless!
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS.
MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Mason,
|
| A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
|
| So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage length.
| Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
additional
| 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| To: >
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
>
| |
| | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| | ----- Original Message -----
| | From: Barry
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| | To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| |
| |
|
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| |
| | Hi CommanderLand,
| |
| | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC SA585SW
| | installed.
| |
| | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
| following
| | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to the
| Shrikes,
| | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
| |
| | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data, I'll
be
| | eternally grateful:
| |
| | Model involved & s/n
| | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
housing)
| |
| | I imagine you'll need access to................
| | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the wood
| | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| | A tape measure
| | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler method!!
| |
| | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I can
then
| wait
| | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time permits.
I'll
| also
| | then know when they are all in.
| |
| | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your
help
| will
| | be very much appreciated.
| |
| | Very Best Regards,
| | Barry
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
680F(p).
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
> BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS.
MASON
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Mason,
>
> A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
>
> So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
length.
> Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
additional
> 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
> To: >
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
>
>
> |
> | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: Barry
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
> | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
> | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
> |
> |
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
> |
> | Hi CommanderLand,
> |
> | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
SA585SW
> | installed.
> |
> | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
> following
> | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to
the
> Shrikes,
> | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
> |
> | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
I'll be
> | eternally grateful:
> |
> | Model involved & s/n
> | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
> | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
housing)
> |
> | I imagine you'll need access to................
> | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
> | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
wood
> | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
> | A tape measure
> | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
method!!
> |
> | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I
can then
> wait
> | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
permits. I'll
> also
> | then know when they are all in.
> |
> | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your
help
> will
> | be very much appreciated.
> |
> | Very Best Regards,
> | Barry
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
Hi Moe,
I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one!
If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt
& braces' approach to one Model!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
| else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
| 680F(p).
|
| Moe
| N680RR
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
| >
| > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS.
| MASON
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| >
| >
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi Mason,
| >
| > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
| >
| > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
| length.
| > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
| additional
| > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
| >
| > Very Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| > To: >
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| > | ----- Original Message -----
| > | From: Barry
| Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| > | To:
| commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| > |
| > |
| >
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| > |
| > | Hi CommanderLand,
| > |
| > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
| SA585SW
| > | installed.
| > |
| > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
| > following
| > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to
| the
| > Shrikes,
| > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
| > |
| > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
| I'll be
| > | eternally grateful:
| > |
| > | Model involved & s/n
| > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
| housing)
| > |
| > | I imagine you'll need access to................
| > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
| wood
| > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| > | A tape measure
| > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
| method!!
| > |
| > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I
| can then
| > wait
| > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
| permits. I'll
| > also
| > | then know when they are all in.
| > |
| > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your
| help
| > will
| > | be very much appreciated.
| > |
| > | Very Best Regards,
| > | Barry
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
Sorry Harry a little pricey, but I'm sure it's worth it however I am
stretching myself at $300,000.
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
> Tom N47RR is finished, For sale asking $350,000.00, Make offer
> Located in Titusville FL
> Harry
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
>
> >
> >
> > I am trying to buy an aircraft that matches your specs, any ideas?
> > Tom F
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hello good folks,
> >>
> >> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right
now.
> > The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the
screws
> > which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having
> > difficulty
> > finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
> >>
> >> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The
> > aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The
props
> > are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that
> > for
> > you tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop
> > spinner.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ray Mansfield
> >> N91ES
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
MM, LETS BOTH DO AND SEE WHAT DIFFERENCE IS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
680F(p).
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
> BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS.
MASON
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
>
> Hi Mason,
>
> A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
>
> So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
length.
> Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
additional
> 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>>
> To: >>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
>
>>
> |
> | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: Barry
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
ain.co.uk>>
> | To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
ander-list(at)matronics.com>>
> | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
> | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
> |
> |
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>>
> |
> | Hi CommanderLand,
> |
> | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
SA585SW
> | installed.
> |
> | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
> following
> | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to
the
> Shrikes,
> | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
> |
> | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
I'll be
> | eternally grateful:
> |
> | Model involved & s/n
> | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
> | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
housing)
> |
> | I imagine you'll need access to................
> | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
> | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
wood
> | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
> | A tape measure
> | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
method!!
> |
> | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I
can then
> wait
> | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
permits. I'll
> also
> | then know when they are all in.
> |
> | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your
help
> will
> | be very much appreciated.
> |
> | Very Best Regards,
> | Barry
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
Hi Ray,
Are you happy with the RPM conversion on the FLP?
How does it perform?
If you could write a few mission stories, that would be very helpful. Was
the pressurization comfortable, fuel burn, AUW take-off performance, cruise
comfort, noise levels, etc.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
> Hello good folks,
>
> I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now.
The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws
which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having difficulty
finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
>
> I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The
aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props
are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that for
you tomorrow.
>
> Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop
spinner.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Mansfield
> N91ES
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner |
I would be very interested in this information as well.
I have been trying to buy a 680FLP with the Mr.RPM conversion for a long
time now and have yet to see any performance figures for this configuration.
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
> Hi Ray,
>
> Are you happy with the RPM conversion on the FLP?
> How does it perform?
> If you could write a few mission stories, that would be very helpful. Was
> the pressurization comfortable, fuel burn, AUW take-off performance,
cruise
> comfort, noise levels, etc.
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Prop Spinner
>
>
> >
> > Hello good folks,
> >
> > I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP and it's in for an annual right now.
> The right prop spinner has a small broken section around one of the screws
> which holds the spinner to it's bracket. The parts man is having
difficulty
> finding a spinner. So far he's check 5-6 locations.
> >
> > I don't know the part number at the moment, but can get it. The
> aircraft has the Mr. RPM mod which includes the IO-720 engines. The props
> are three-bladed. If you need real specific part numbers I'll get that
for
> you tomorrow.
> >
> > Any ideas where the maintenance folks could get a serviceable prop
> spinner.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ray Mansfield
> > N91ES
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
Barry,
This will be very interesting. This may not matter, however N680RR does not
have the stinger tail cone on the back. As near as I can tell it is stock.
Best regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one!
>
> If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of
'belt
> & braces' approach to one Model!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
>
>
> |
> | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
> | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
> | 680F(p).
> |
> | Moe
> | N680RR
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
> |
> |
> | >
> | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF
BOARDS.
> | MASON
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | > To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
> | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
> | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
> | >
> | >
> |
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | >
> | > Hi Mason,
> | >
> | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
> | >
> | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
> | length.
> | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
> | additional
> | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
> | >
> | > Very Best Regards,
> | > Barry
> | >
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
> | > To:
>
> | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > |
> | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
> | > | ----- Original Message -----
> | > | From: Barry
> |
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk | ain.co.uk>>
> | > | To:
> |
commander-list(at)matronics.com | ander-list(at)matronics.com>
> | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
> | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> |
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk |
to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
> | > |
> | > | Hi CommanderLand,
> | > |
> | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
> | SA585SW
> | > | installed.
> | > |
> | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall
Length
> | > following
> | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different
to
> | the
> | > Shrikes,
> | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
> | > |
> | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following
data,
> | I'll be
> | > | eternally grateful:
> | > |
> | > | Model involved & s/n
> | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
> | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
> | housing)
> | > |
> | > | I imagine you'll need access to................
> | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or
tail)
> | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
> | wood
> | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
> | > | A tape measure
> | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
> | method!!
> | > |
> | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and
I
> | can then
> | > wait
> | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
> | permits. I'll
> | > also
> | > | then know when they are all in.
> | > |
> | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but
your
> | help
> | > will
> | > | be very much appreciated.
> | > |
> | > | Very Best Regards,
> | > | Barry
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
BC, 37'2 1/2" X 49'6 1/2" NOSE TO TAIL X WINGLET TO WINGLET. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
Hi Moe,
I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one!
If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt
& braces' approach to one Model!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
| else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
| 680F(p).
|
| Moe
| N680RR
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| To: >
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
| >
| > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS.
| MASON
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| >
| >
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| >
| > Hi Mason,
| >
| > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
| >
| > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
| length.
| > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
| additional
| > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
| >
| > Very Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>>
| > To: >>
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| >
| >
| >>
| > |
| > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| > | ----- Original Message -----
| > | From: Barry
| Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
| ain.co.uk>>
| > | To:
| commander-list(at)matronics.com
| ander-list(at)matronics.com>>
| > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| > |
| > |
| >
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
| to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>>
| > |
| > | Hi CommanderLand,
| > |
| > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
| SA585SW
| > | installed.
| > |
| > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
| > following
| > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to
| the
| > Shrikes,
| > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
| > |
| > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
| I'll be
| > | eternally grateful:
| > |
| > | Model involved & s/n
| > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
| housing)
| > |
| > | I imagine you'll need access to................
| > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
| wood
| > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| > | A tape measure
| > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
| method!!
| > |
| > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I
| can then
| > wait
| > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
| permits. I'll
| > also
| > | then know when they are all in.
| > |
| > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your
| help
| > will
| > | be very much appreciated.
| > |
| > | Very Best Regards,
| > | Barry
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
BC, WE DID IT BY THE STRING AND HEAVY NUT METHOD. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
Hi Moe,
I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one!
If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of 'belt
& braces' approach to one Model!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
| else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
| 680F(p).
|
| Moe
| N680RR
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| To: >
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
| >
| > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF BOARDS.
| MASON
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| >
| >
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| >
| > Hi Mason,
| >
| > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
| >
| > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
| length.
| > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
| additional
| > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
| >
| > Very Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>>
| > To: >>
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| >
| >
| >>
| > |
| > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| > | ----- Original Message -----
| > | From: Barry
| Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
| ain.co.uk>>
| > | To:
| commander-list(at)matronics.com
| ander-list(at)matronics.com>>
| > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| > |
| > |
| >
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
| to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>>
| > |
| > | Hi CommanderLand,
| > |
| > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
| SA585SW
| > | installed.
| > |
| > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall Length
| > following
| > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different to
| the
| > Shrikes,
| > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
| > |
| > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
| I'll be
| > | eternally grateful:
| > |
| > | Model involved & s/n
| > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
| housing)
| > |
| > | I imagine you'll need access to................
| > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
| wood
| > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| > | A tape measure
| > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
| method!!
| > |
| > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and I
| can then
| > wait
| > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
| permits. I'll
| > also
| > | then know when they are all in.
| > |
| > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but your
| help
| > will
| > | be very much appreciated.
| > |
| > | Very Best Regards,
| > | Barry
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
Hi Mason,
The string & heavy nut method sounds just fine and I really didn't expect such
a
rapid result.
I am really grateful and will now get back to some more 'number-crunching'.
No cheating, Moe, on Saturday. If your figures are the same............I'll be
suspicious. Yours should be very slightly longer due to expansion in the
California sun!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| BC, 37'2 1/2" X 49'6 1/2" NOSE TO TAIL X WINGLET TO WINGLET. MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Moe,
|
| I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one!
|
| If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of
'belt
| & braces' approach to one Model!
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>
| To: >
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
>
| |
| | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
| | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
| | 680F(p).
| |
| | Moe
| | N680RR
| | ----- Original Message -----
| | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| | To: >
| | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| |
| |
>
| | >
| | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF
BOARDS.
| | MASON
| | > ----- Original Message -----
| | > From: Barry
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| | > To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
| | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| | >
| | >
| |
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| | >
| | > Hi Mason,
| | >
| | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
| | >
| | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
| | length.
| | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
| | additional
| | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
| | >
| | > Very Best Regards,
| | > Barry
| | >
| | >
| | > ----- Original Message -----
| | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
>>
| | > To:
>>
| | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| | >
| | >
| |
>>
| | > |
| | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| | > | ----- Original Message -----
| | > | From: Barry
| |
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.ukbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
| | ain.co.uk>>
| | > | To:
| |
commander-list(at)matronics.com
| |
ander-list(at)matronics.com>>
| | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| | > |
| | > |
| | >
| |
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
| |
to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.ukbarry.collman@air-britain.couk>>>>
| | > |
| | > | Hi CommanderLand,
| | > |
| | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
| | SA585SW
| | > | installed.
| | > |
| | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall
Length
| | > following
| | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different
to
| | the
| | > Shrikes,
| | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
| | > |
| | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
| | I'll be
| | > | eternally grateful:
| | > |
| | > | Model involved & s/n
| | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
| | housing)
| | > |
| | > | I imagine you'll need access to................
| | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
| | wood
| | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| | > | A tape measure
| | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
| | method!!
| | > |
| | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and
I
| | can then
| | > wait
| | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
| | permits. I'll
| | > also
| | > | then know when they are all in.
| | > |
| | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but
your
| | help
| | > will
| | > | be very much appreciated.
| | > |
| | > | Very Best Regards,
| | > | Barry
| | > |
| | > |
| | > |
| | > |
| | > |
| | > |
| | > |
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Hi Ray.
Thanks for the info. I copied the list on your response. I hope you don't mind.
I am not that physics savvy that I would know how you could have horsepower driving
a prop and the power is lost somewhere between the crankshaft and the air
outside. Perhaps some drag in the blades eats away at the horse-meat.
The 500+ fpm performance would scare me because you would have only one option when you lose an engine at that stage of the flight. That's what kept me from investing in the A models and caused a market for the Miller conversions. Someday, someone will take up the Orenda banner again and make a killing. (http://www.epi-eng.com/CNV-ac685.htm)
The reason I asked about the pressurization, is that the 680FP that I flew would
dump its pressure every now and again, making the cabin extremely uncomfortable
and I was told back then it would cost a fortune to have the cabin sealed.
Apparently the rudder pedals are frequent culprits. To have a 10K cabin at 13K
is only useful at about that altitude. Lower and you won't need it, higher and
you would need to supply O2. There surely seems to be a hole in that bucket,
dear Liza.
Anyway, I was always under the impression that the "L" or rather the 685 was most
suited to a turbine and particularly the -10 conversion and I wonder if someone
could give us a comparative write-up on that. Is the -10 really the home-sick
angel they say it is. Also, if someone could say what different horsepower
the other turbines are equipped with, that would be very nice.
What's the difference between the 680FL and the 685?
Attaching the pic was a nice touch, Ray. These planes are just a thing of beauty,
aren't they?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:39 PM
Subject: 680 FLP
Hello Nico,
I've only been flying the 680 FLP since last April. I like the plane, it's
the
first Aero Commander I've flown, but I've fallen in love with it. To answer
your questions:
1. The Mr. RPM Conversion - The 680 FLP is not a jump off the
ground, climb like a rocket aircraft. After talking to numerous folks
I found out that the engine power (2-IO720s, 400 BHP each) is not
efficiently used because the props are smaller than needed for that
power. I'm told they had to keep the prop blades down to a certain
diameter to keep the noise level low...sooooo, lots of power but
it's not used well. (If there's a 4 bladed prop conversion I'd like to
know about it)
The other thing with the Mr. RPM conversion relates to
maintenance. They've got a lot of stuff squeezed into the engine
nacelles and it's hard to work on. Two turbo's per engine and the 8
cylinders per engine take up lots of space. (Turbo's are
manually operated)
2. Performance
a. On a hot day with a load it easily takes 3,000' feet of runway and
climb down around 500-750 fpm at 110 kts.
b. At 12,000' I get about 200 kts TAS, with 72% power at 42 GPH.
c. Pressurization on this plane needs work. Right now at 13,000' I
can only get a 10,000' cabin. Does seem to work comfortably, no
passenger complaints.
d. AC is a completely separate system from pressurization in this
modification. It's the same system as in the turbo models. Works
good for the passengers, not a lot of air flow to the pilot. Pray that
the AC compressor motor doesn't break, $5,400 to replace it.
3. The plane is very comfortable and that's what my owner likes about
it. It's also very stable and I love the feel of the plane when flying
it.
I don't know about noise levels at cruise I've always got a headset on,
but I know I can hear the owner talking in the back sometimes even
with my headset on. It is noisy on takeoff, but it gets better in cruise.
4. I haven't flown any other Aero Commander models so I have no
comparisons to make between models. I just know I really like the
plane. I also know it's pretty maintenance intensive and expensive.
Parts are frequently hard to find. This particular plane is old, built
in 1964. Attached is a picture.
Let me know if you have more questions.
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW) |
bc, ALWAYS A PLEASURE. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
Hi Mason,
The string & heavy nut method sounds just fine and I really didn't expect such
a
rapid result.
I am really grateful and will now get back to some more 'number-crunching'.
No cheating, Moe, on Saturday. If your figures are the same............I'll be
suspicious. Yours should be very slightly longer due to expansion in the
California sun!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
| BC, 37'2 1/2" X 49'6 1/2" NOSE TO TAIL X WINGLET TO WINGLET. MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com>
| Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:50 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
|
| Hi Moe,
|
| I trust all is well and 2005 proves a good one!
|
| If you can 'do' your 680F(P) as well as Mason, I'll be grateful. A sort of
'belt
| & braces' approach to one Model!
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>>
| To: >>
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
|
|
>>
| |
| | But Mason that's cheating!!! That's what I was going to do. If someone
| | else doesn't get it done before Saturday I can do it then on a regular
| | 680F(p).
| |
| | Moe
| | N680RR
| | ----- Original Message -----
| | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>>
| | To: >>
| | Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| |
| |
>>
| | >
| | > BC, QUICKER TO PLUM BOB THE LENGTH. STRING AND WEIGHT INSTEAD OF
BOARDS.
| | MASON
| | > ----- Original Message -----
| | > From: Barry
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk.
co.uk>>
| | > To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
r-list(at)matronics.com>>
| | > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 9:08 AM
| | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| | >
| | >
| |
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
arry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>>
| | >
| | > Hi Mason,
| | >
| | > A 680FP will do very nicely, thanks Mason.
| | >
| | > So long as I know the Model, I'll know the 'standard-nose' fuselage
| | length.
| | > Hopefully, if two or three sets of figures agree, we can apply the
| | additional
| | > 'Miller-nose' length to any other Model.
| | >
| | > Very Best Regards,
| | > Barry
| | >
| | >
| | > ----- Original Message -----
| | > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
m>>>
| | > To:
er-list(at)matronics.com>>>
| | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| | >
| | >
| |
m>>>
| | > |
| | > | BC, WILL A 680FP DO FOR YOUR MEASURE. MASON 2001M?
| | > | ----- Original Message -----
| | > | From: Barry
| |
Collmanbarry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
lto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| | ain.co.uk>>
| | > | To:
| |
commander-list(at)matronics.com
lto:commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
| |
ander-list(at)matronics.com
atronics.com>>>
| | > | Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:48 AM
| | > | Subject: Commander-List: 'Miller' nose (STC SA585SW)
| | > |
| | > |
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<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
lto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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to:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk:
barry.collman@air-britain.couk>>>>
| | > |
| | > | Hi CommanderLand,
| | > |
| | > | I need a really big favor from anyone with the 'Miller' nose STC
| | SA585SW
| | > | installed.
| | > |
| | > | We're really juggling & struggling with the resultant Overall
Length
| | > following
| | > | such an installation, as it appears to be a few inches different
to
| | the
| | > Shrikes,
| | > | for instance, which left the factory with the long metal nose.
| | > |
| | > | If you could possibly find time to let me have the following data,
| | I'll be
| | > | eternally grateful:
| | > |
| | > | Model involved & s/n
| | > | Tail light housing length (from the end of the actual fuselage)
| | > | Overall Length (extreme tip of nose to extreme tip of tail light
| | housing)
| | > |
| | > | I imagine you'll need access to................
| | > | A straight length of wood (to place upright against nose or tail)
| | > | A spirit level capable of checking the vertical alignment of the
| | wood
| | > | A piece of chalk to suitably mark the ground
| | > | A tape measure
| | > | .............but then, you probably have thought of a simpler
| | method!!
| | > |
| | > | If you can help and are willing to do so, please let me know and
I
| | can then
| | > wait
| | > | in the knowledge that figures will arrive 'as and when' time
| | permits. I'll
| | > also
| | > | then know when they are all in.
| | > |
| | > | I know this is well over and above the normal call of duty, but
your
| | help
| | > will
| | > | be very much appreciated.
| | > |
| | > | Very Best Regards,
| | > | Barry
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
They overhauled my fuel sump twice and did a great job both times.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Commander-List: SNH
>
>
>
> SNH is located in SAT and their phone is 210-665-7765. They did some back
> plates for me and were good people to work with.
>
> Jim Addington
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed conversion |
Folks,
I note the comment about cruise speeds 2 v. 3 blades.
Several friend recently upgraded their C-310A. Manufacturers STC etc. The
outcome was a disaster, turned out no testing on this model had been done,
the vibration on takeoff was frightening. After much investigation,
balancing etc., nothing changed. All of a sudden, the manufacturer decided
a full refund would be a real good idea, it was an inherent couple that was
causing the highly dangerous situation.
Also, with a later model C-310, the only discernable performance change was
a loss of about 4kt IAS in cruise, which worked out at about AU$7500 per
knot, ripper deal.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 01:57 4/01/2005, you wrote:
>
>For what it's worth, many years ago I flew just about every old "bath
>tub" commander made(although at the time they weren't very old). 1
>comparison I recall was between 2 520s, 1 with 2 blades & 1 with 3 blades.
>At the time most of our flying involved gravel strips & unimproved landing
>sites so the main benefits to us were less prop damage due to more ground
>clearance, less cabin noise, slightly shorter TO distance & climb
>performance plus the fact that it was a factory improvement as opposed to
>an after-market mod. Since the 3 blade upgrade also included an increase
>of 15hp per engine, the increased TO & climb performance wasn't due just
>to the 3 blades......plus the 2 bladder even with less hp got slightly
>better cruise speeds. Fast forward to 16 years ago when we got our present
>"straight" commander with 0540 lycs we looked into upgrading to 3 blade
>Black-Mac conversions & were assured that we could get approval for this
>conversion but after getting the cost estimate we !
>decided not to pursue it further so I do not know the FAA's position. I
>did have a customer who had it done to his 250 Comanche and was pleased as
>punch with it due mainly to the increased ground clearance. I hope this is
>of some help to you.......Dan Brady the desert duck.
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | 3 bladed conversion |
In the class I took years ago on props the instructor said a one blade prop
was the most efficient with two next, three next etc. For you young guys
there was a one blade prop on an early cub.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
Folks,
I note the comment about cruise speeds 2 v. 3 blades.
Several friend recently upgraded their C-310A. Manufacturers STC etc. The
outcome was a disaster, turned out no testing on this model had been done,
the vibration on takeoff was frightening. After much investigation,
balancing etc., nothing changed. All of a sudden, the manufacturer decided
a full refund would be a real good idea, it was an inherent couple that was
causing the highly dangerous situation.
Also, with a later model C-310, the only discernable performance change was
a loss of about 4kt IAS in cruise, which worked out at about AU$7500 per
knot, ripper deal.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 01:57 4/01/2005, you wrote:
>
>For what it's worth, many years ago I flew just about every old "bath
>tub" commander made(although at the time they weren't very old). 1
>comparison I recall was between 2 520s, 1 with 2 blades & 1 with 3 blades.
>At the time most of our flying involved gravel strips & unimproved landing
>sites so the main benefits to us were less prop damage due to more ground
>clearance, less cabin noise, slightly shorter TO distance & climb
>performance plus the fact that it was a factory improvement as opposed to
>an after-market mod. Since the 3 blade upgrade also included an increase
>of 15hp per engine, the increased TO & climb performance wasn't due just
>to the 3 blades......plus the 2 bladder even with less hp got slightly
>better cruise speeds. Fast forward to 16 years ago when we got our present
>"straight" commander with 0540 lycs we looked into upgrading to 3 blade
>Black-Mac conversions & were assured that we could get approval for this
>conversion but after getting the cost estimate we !
>decided not to pursue it further so I do not know the FAA's position. I
>did have a customer who had it done to his 250 Comanche and was pleased as
>punch with it due mainly to the increased ground clearance. I hope this is
>of some help to you.......Dan Brady the desert duck.
>
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it uses a
hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for Skydrol
system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
JB
Linn and I will be at the TCAC meeting March 17-19. This is in reply to your label
on the back of the envelope.
Best regards,
Moe
Moe's Used Cars
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Ken,
This STC is available for 5606 Hydraulic Commanders. It is pretty much a
re-orifice for the brakes, making them less sensitive if we're talking about the
same gizmo.
I've flown an AC-685 and a few Turbo Commanders with them. It's an Aero Air
(Hillsboro, Oregon) STC. Also available for 680-F series piston models.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ft. Lauderdale |
In a message dated 1/9/2005 3:17:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
moe(at)rosspistons.com writes:
inn and I will be at the TCAC meeting March 17-19. This is in reply to your
label on the back of the envelope.
COOL!! I'll make up name tags (you don't have to wear them) It will be
great to see you!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Ken,
I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't fly
that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a piston
Commander I would certainly like to know.
Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with the
rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the idea
much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
>
>Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it uses a
>hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for Skydrol
>system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
>Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
>Ken
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed conversion |
How did they balance it, Jim?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
>
> In the class I took years ago on props the instructor said a one blade
prop
> was the most efficient with two next, three next etc. For you young guys
> there was a one blade prop on an early cub.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
> HAMILTON
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
>
>
>
>
> Folks,
> I note the comment about cruise speeds 2 v. 3 blades.
> Several friend recently upgraded their C-310A. Manufacturers STC etc. The
> outcome was a disaster, turned out no testing on this model had been done,
> the vibration on takeoff was frightening. After much investigation,
> balancing etc., nothing changed. All of a sudden, the manufacturer decided
> a full refund would be a real good idea, it was an inherent couple that
was
> causing the highly dangerous situation.
> Also, with a later model C-310, the only discernable performance change
was
> a loss of about 4kt IAS in cruise, which worked out at about AU$7500 per
> knot, ripper deal.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 01:57 4/01/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >For what it's worth, many years ago I flew just about every old "bath
> >tub" commander made(although at the time they weren't very old). 1
> >comparison I recall was between 2 520s, 1 with 2 blades & 1 with 3
blades.
> >At the time most of our flying involved gravel strips & unimproved
landing
> >sites so the main benefits to us were less prop damage due to more ground
> >clearance, less cabin noise, slightly shorter TO distance & climb
> >performance plus the fact that it was a factory improvement as opposed to
> >an after-market mod. Since the 3 blade upgrade also included an increase
> >of 15hp per engine, the increased TO & climb performance wasn't due just
> >to the 3 blades......plus the 2 bladder even with less hp got slightly
> >better cruise speeds. Fast forward to 16 years ago when we got our
present
> >"straight" commander with 0540 lycs we looked into upgrading to 3 blade
> >Black-Mac conversions & were assured that we could get approval for this
> >conversion but after getting the cost estimate we !
> >decided not to pursue it further so I do not know the FAA's position. I
> >did have a customer who had it done to his 250 Comanche and was pleased
as
> >punch with it due mainly to the increased ground clearance. I hope this
is
> >of some help to you.......Dan Brady the desert duck.
> >
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
As a new Shrike owner (6 mo.) recently I mistakenly taxi'd with the
rudder lock in place and didn't do the "Commander dance". No harm was
done but it trained me to keep the rudder pedals neutral. It's not a
bad idea for training eliminating the habit of using rudder input to
taxi.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
Ken,
I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
Commander I would certainly like to know.
Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
>
>Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses a
>hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
Skydrol
>system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
>Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
>Ken
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
Again, just my humble opinion.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> Ken,
> I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't fly
> that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a piston
> Commander I would certainly like to know.
> Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with the
> rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the idea
> much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it uses
a
> >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
Skydrol
> >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> >Ken
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 3 bladed conversion |
In a message dated 1/9/2005 8:22:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
How did they balance it, Jim?
With a streamlined counterweight. It worked great!! Except, the asymmetric
thrust cracked crankshafts. I have a friend who still has one. jb. PS I
tried to call, Bruce. What's up?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
> Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>>
>Bill I know with my 560E, when someone new is just learning to taxi, after
I have their attention by heading for the grass, I tell them that I will
lock the rudder pedals in place with my feet and for them to just use the
toes to taxi and they then can do a pretty good job.
Don Girod
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com> |
Hi John,
Got pictures of that new paint job? Happy new year to you and the
family.
Regards,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering
valve.
Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the
airplane
well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
Again, just my humble opinion.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> Ken,
> I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> Commander I would certainly like to know.
> Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
a
> >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
Skydrol
> >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> >Ken
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
John,
It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p) for
about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want to go
to.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
>
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
John...I agree with you. The MOST difficult challenge for me in
transitioning into my 680F, was learning to taxi. Took a couple of hours of
circling, wiggling, and "trying" to go straight before I finally "got it".
Now, it's second nature. I like the idea of having the instructing pilot
stand on the pedels to lock them in place, so that steering has to be dome
with the tips...good idea.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
John,
It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p) for
about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want to go
to.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
>
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | 3 bladed conversion |
There was a counter weight on the other side
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
How did they balance it, Jim?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
>
> In the class I took years ago on props the instructor said a one blade
prop
> was the most efficient with two next, three next etc. For you young guys
> there was a one blade prop on an early cub.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
> HAMILTON
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 3 bladed conversion
>
>
>
>
> Folks,
> I note the comment about cruise speeds 2 v. 3 blades.
> Several friend recently upgraded their C-310A. Manufacturers STC etc. The
> outcome was a disaster, turned out no testing on this model had been done,
> the vibration on takeoff was frightening. After much investigation,
> balancing etc., nothing changed. All of a sudden, the manufacturer decided
> a full refund would be a real good idea, it was an inherent couple that
was
> causing the highly dangerous situation.
> Also, with a later model C-310, the only discernable performance change
was
> a loss of about 4kt IAS in cruise, which worked out at about AU$7500 per
> knot, ripper deal.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 01:57 4/01/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >For what it's worth, many years ago I flew just about every old "bath
> >tub" commander made(although at the time they weren't very old). 1
> >comparison I recall was between 2 520s, 1 with 2 blades & 1 with 3
blades.
> >At the time most of our flying involved gravel strips & unimproved
landing
> >sites so the main benefits to us were less prop damage due to more ground
> >clearance, less cabin noise, slightly shorter TO distance & climb
> >performance plus the fact that it was a factory improvement as opposed to
> >an after-market mod. Since the 3 blade upgrade also included an increase
> >of 15hp per engine, the increased TO & climb performance wasn't due just
> >to the 3 blades......plus the 2 bladder even with less hp got slightly
> >better cruise speeds. Fast forward to 16 years ago when we got our
present
> >"straight" commander with 0540 lycs we looked into upgrading to 3 blade
> >Black-Mac conversions & were assured that we could get approval for this
> >conversion but after getting the cost estimate we !
> >decided not to pursue it further so I do not know the FAA's position. I
> >did have a customer who had it done to his 250 Comanche and was pleased
as
> >punch with it due mainly to the increased ground clearance. I hope this
is
> >of some help to you.......Dan Brady the desert duck.
> >
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Thanks Gordon,
I have been in touch with Aero Air but the response was ..no STC for 5605
system. My question is does it work? Trying to find someone who has it. Everyone
who has flown my airplane says they have never flown one this touchy. We
found the right brake (Cleveland's) was getting 150psi more than the left. That
corrected and two overhauled power brake values later, it is 100% better. But
the whole point of this, it would be nice to share flying the Commander with
others who do not have time in the airplane but ground handling is a draw
back. Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than the
original. Operated a 520 years ago with Goodyear's and taxi was never a problem.
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
In a message dated 10-Jan-05 07:16:26 Pacific Standard Time, KenWHyde(at)aol.com
writes:
> Seems the Cleveland 199-122 kit adds so much more braking than the
> original.
Ken,
And that is exactly why the STC was developed -- the powerful brakes made
steering "touchy" because the smallest application of steering beyond nose wheel
steering locked up a wheel.
All those opinions on how to develop finess aside, Aero Air doesn't know
their own STC. Go back to them and ask them to put an old guy on the phone=20or
to
research their STC 1685 for "Easy Brakes" that covers Models 680T,V,W,F,FL,FLP
681,685,690,A,B,C,D,695,A.
I'm sure you can make the case that other than the 680 T, V and W, the rest
are MIL H5606 airplanes.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
DITTO, MASON 25 HOURS
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
John,
It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p) for
about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want to go
to.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets us
> Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering valve.
> Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the airplane
> well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
>
> The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent problem.
>
> Again, just my humble opinion.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "W J R HAMILTON" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au<mailto:wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>>
> To: >
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
> >
> >
> > Ken,
> > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you don't
fly
> > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
piston
> > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field with
the
> > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked the
idea
> > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bill Hamilton.
> >
> >
> > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand it
uses
> a
> > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> Skydrol
> > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > >Ken
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Easy Taxi STC |
Not to mention, I get a HUGE kick out of having my friends, pilots and
non-pilots alike, try to taxi my airplane on the ground. It's always good
for a few laughs...
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
> DITTO, MASON 25 HOURS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
>
>
> John,
>
> It appears that you are on to something here. After flying a 680F(p)
for
> about 500 hours I have never taxied anywhere that I really didn't want
to go
> to.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>>
> To: >
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
>
>
>
> >
> > Personal opinion only, but one of the things that I have noticed sets
us
> > Commander pilots apart from the rest is the mastery of the steering
valve.
> > Why not just spend the required 10-12 hours learning to taxi the
airplane
> > well? It's not difficult, just a short but steep learning curve.
> >
> > The Easy Taxi STC seems like a good solution for a nonexistent
problem.
> >
> > Again, just my humble opinion.
> >
> > /J
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "W J R HAMILTON"
>
> > To:
>
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Easy Taxi STC
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > > I presume this is to eliminate the "Commander Dance"??. When you
don't
> fly
> > > that often, "smooth" taxing is "challenging". If there is one for a
> piston
> > > Commander I would certainly like to know.
> > > Years back, here, new pilots got to taxi all around the the field
with
> the
> > > rudder locked by the (external) gust lock in place, I never liked
the
> idea
> > > much, but it didn't seem to do any obvious harm.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Bill Hamilton.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:11 10/01/2005, you wrote:
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
> > > >
> > > >Who knows or has the Easy Taxi STC on their Commander? Understand
it
> uses
> > a
> > > >hydraulic priority value to control fluid to the brakes. STC is for
> > Skydrol
> > > >system. Anyone know of a 5606 fluid system.
> > > >Thanks and a Good 2005 to everyone!
> > > >Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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