Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bk
January 23, 2005 - February 10, 2005
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| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Straight 500 for sale |
Gang
anyone know anything about the straight 500 for sale at (gulp) Barron
Thomas???
Appreciate any info....
Trying to get into my first Commander....maybe this is a candidate????
Jim Carroll
Seattle WA
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| From: | Curtis Perry <cperry(at)subictel.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Straight 500 for sale |
Yes, we have a deposit on the aircraft and it's currently being
inspected. If we don't push through with purchase I'll be glad to
share the results of the inspection with you.
Curt Perry
On Jan 23, 2005, at 8:59 AM, JBOBSTER(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Gang
>
> anyone know anything about the straight 500 for sale at (gulp) Barron
> Thomas???
>
> Appreciate any info....
>
> Trying to get into my first Commander....maybe this is a candidate????
>
> Jim Carroll
> Seattle WA
>
>
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| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Straight 500 for sale |
Curt
appreciate the feedback....
Jim C
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
Don't think there's an easy way. Just had that done to the 680FLP, IO-720
I fly by an A&P, took him quite a while. Not sure how long but I think we're
talking 1-2 hrs, however I do think it was his first time doing the job. .
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> DOES ANYONE HAVE A EASY ACCESS AND WAY TO CHANGE A GARLOCK SEAL AND GASKET
> AND THE HYDROLIC PUMP ON OFF THE ACCESSORY CASE ON AN IO720 EQUIPED 680FP?
> THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP. MASON N2001M
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
Hi everyone,
I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
$20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
they have launched an investigation.
There's an article about it on AVWEB:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
you want to read about it.
It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
Ray:
I want your A&P! I haven't found anyone who can do anything to the IO-720s
in less than 1-2 weeks, let alone 1-2 hours! Thank goodness I do my own oil
changes, or the airplane would never fly!
Mason:
The pump and seal are located in the second most fun to work on spot on the
entire airplane (the first is where the electric fuel pump lives in the aft
nacelle). Once you move or remove the induction hoses,
fuel/oil/hydraulic/upper deck lines, and air cleaner (if you are working on
the right engine), the real fun begins. A good set of stubby end wrenches,
dexterous fingers, a powerful magnet, aspirin, and a fifth of Jack Daniels
are required tools.
Just bend your arm under the turbo and over the hydraulic pump, and with the
tips of two fingers, put the wrench on the nuts on the fuel pump side of the
hydraulic pump. Loosen approximately 1/64th of one thread (you won't be
able to move the wrench any more than that), flip the wrench over, and
reposition on the nut. After two or three cycles, your fingers will get
tired. Don't worry, you will soon drop the wrench (which will slide under
the fuel servo and wedge itself between the bottom of the compartment and
the fuel servo) giving you a much needed break.
By the way, all four nuts on the hydraulic pump need to be backed off more
or less together, or they will become jam nuts on the case of the hydraulic
pump. After all four nuts and washers are off the pump and you've fished
them out of the oil in the bottom of the engine compartment, remove the pump
and replace the seal and gasket. Take time to congratulate yourself at this
point; you are approximately 10% complete with this project! Replacement
makes removal look like a snap!
Or...get Ray's A&P to do it!
Good luck! Trust me, I feel for you.
Brock - 400CH
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Don't think there's an easy way. Just had that done to the 680FLP, IO-720
I fly by an A&P, took him quite a while. Not sure how long but I think we're
talking 1-2 hrs, however I do think it was his first time doing the job. .
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> DOES ANYONE HAVE A EASY ACCESS AND WAY TO CHANGE A GARLOCK SEAL AND GASKET
> AND THE HYDROLIC PUMP ON OFF THE ACCESSORY CASE ON AN IO720 EQUIPED 680FP?
> THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP. MASON N2001M
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [Q] *REAL* Commander Ownership Cost |
Greetings Group,
Can someone *ballpark* relative costs of ownership of an older Twin
Commander (e.g. 520, 560, 500) for a wanna-be-owner? (I know it depends on
aircraft condition, but I am looking for a couple of data points from
individual experiences.) Please note that I am not a Twin Commander owner,
but am fascinated with the design. Keep in mind that I am in my 2nd
ownership experience (Beech Sundowner). I previously owned a Piper Lance.
In general terms, my ownership experiences so far have shown that the first
annual has been the only rough experience, costing an amount equal to 5-10%
of the purchase price. Buying has been the easiest part, perhaps because
it is exciting! (I always do a pre-buy inspection, BTW.) My maintenance
shop is meticulous and it takes $$$ to get "up to their standards".
Any and all information will be much appreciated!
Kind Regards,
David
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/24/2005 7:04:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
I am sorry to report that this is the way the FAA operates and has for about
3 decades now. They took Bob Hoover down and will almost certainly get this
guy as well. Boston Tea party anyone?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
Does anyone have the name of the helio pilot that was flying the
Blackhawk?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
Hi everyone,
I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
$20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
they have launched an investigation.
There's an article about it on AVWEB:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
you want to read about it.
It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
I could probably find it, but what good would that do?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sather
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
-->
Does anyone have the name of the helio pilot that was flying the
Blackhawk?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
Hi everyone,
I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
$20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
they have launched an investigation.
There's an article about it on AVWEB:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
you want to read about it.
It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 07:04:46 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
> Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
> they have launched an investigation.
>
What FARs did he violate? Name chapter and verse; that's the only way to
mount a defense.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
Just curious, I think a letter to the Blackhawk pilot would be in order
for being so officious. I also think that letters to the FAA on this
subject would be good. I live in the Washington, Utah area and admire
Jeremy's efforts in helping those in need. This was such a terrible
tragedy for so many families and to reprimanded for the things he did is
also a tragedy. To receive compensation for services without part 135 is
against the law. But he did not receive compensation but suggested a
donation to a charitable cause. Where can this be viewed as
compensation is beyond my understanding. I believe the FAA has a
responsibility to explain the violation to us so we understand.
Bobby Sather
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
I could probably find it, but what good would that do?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sather
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
-->
Does anyone have the name of the helio pilot that was flying the
Blackhawk?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
Hi everyone,
I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
$20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
they have launched an investigation.
There's an article about it on AVWEB:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
you want to read about it.
It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
The letter Jeremy got from the FAA just says that they are launching an
investigation. Once they finish their investigation they will let he
know which FAR's they believe he violated and he will be able to respond
to them.
By the way, the FAA has already received letters from Mayor Denny Drake
of Santa Clara, and Kirk Smith, Washington County Sheriff stating that
Jeremy was under their direction and that he refused any compensation,
even for fuel costs.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 07:04:46 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and
> a Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the
> FAA so they have launched an investigation.
>
What FARs did he violate? Name chapter and verse; that's the only way
to
mount a defense.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
I'll find out they guys name and who he was working for, probably post
it here tomorrow.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sather
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
-->
Just curious, I think a letter to the Blackhawk pilot would be in order
for being so officious. I also think that letters to the FAA on this
subject would be good. I live in the Washington, Utah area and admire
Jeremy's efforts in helping those in need. This was such a terrible
tragedy for so many families and to reprimanded for the things he did is
also a tragedy. To receive compensation for services without part 135 is
against the law. But he did not receive compensation but suggested a
donation to a charitable cause. Where can this be viewed as
compensation is beyond my understanding. I believe the FAA has a
responsibility to explain the violation to us so we understand.
Bobby Sather
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
I could probably find it, but what good would that do?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sather
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
-->
Does anyone have the name of the helio pilot that was flying the
Blackhawk?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
Johnson
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
Hi everyone,
I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
$20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
they have launched an investigation.
There's an article about it on AVWEB:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
you want to read about it.
It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
KV Electric, INC.
Kerry Johnson
1139 North 1210 West
St. George, UT 84770
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
I forgot to add that the two they seem fixated on are one about
transporting explosives without a HAZMAT permit, when he transported the
dynamite and demo man across the river and that he didn't give the FAA 7
days notice before he did the charity/donation flights I don't know the
chapter and verse off hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 07:04:46 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and
> a Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the
> FAA so they have launched an investigation.
>
What FARs did he violate? Name chapter and verse; that's the only way
to
mount a defense.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
So many folks would like to earn a buck or two by making a willing passenger
pay for the privilege of air transportation. We are not talking about
packing a plane full of unsuspecting pax and then fly them somewhere under
the impression that they are getting a very good deal in competition with
Delta, or Southwest. But, if there is a willing customer who understands the
risks (private pilot, SE plane, short trip) and a willing pilot, why would
it be wrong to practice free enterprise?
Prosecuting Jeremy, if he used his own chopper to help save lives, would see
folks in future sit with folded arms while others lose their lives. If the
pilot is prepared to face serious consequences for the sake of others,
without a change in the law, it becomes a one-way ticket because if Jeremy
loses his license, he would most likely sell his chopper and next time, he
will be compelled to sit and watch folks in trouble go down anyway. So,
nobody would lift a finger.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
> and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
> Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
> during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
>
> We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
> homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
> either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
> volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
> much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
> caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
> from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
> the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
> flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
> his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
> offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
> out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
> $20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
>
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
> Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
> they have launched an investigation.
>
> There's an article about it on AVWEB:
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
> you want to read about it.
>
> It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
> or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
> with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
> Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
> rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
>
> KV Electric, INC.
>
> Kerry Johnson
> 1139 North 1210 West
> St. George, UT 84770
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Oh, it's a natural desire to go and read to him Leviticus, you know.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> I could probably find it, but what good would that do?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby
> Sather
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
>
> -->
>
> Does anyone have the name of the helio pilot that was flying the
> Blackhawk?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry
> Johnson
> To: 'Commander Chat'
> Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
> and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
> Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
> during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
>
> We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
> homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
> either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
> volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
> much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
> caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
> from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
> the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
> flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
> his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
> offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
> out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
> $20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
>
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
> Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
> they have launched an investigation.
>
> There's an article about it on AVWEB:
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
> you want to read about it.
>
> It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
> or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
> with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
> Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
> rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
>
> KV Electric, INC.
>
> Kerry Johnson
> 1139 North 1210 West
> St. George, UT 84770
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 09:29:10 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> By the way, the FAA has already received letters from Mayor Denny Drake
> of Santa Clara, and Kirk Smith, Washington County Sheriff stating that
> Jeremy was under their direction and that he refused any compensation,
> even for fuel costs.
If he was, indeed, operating as a "Public Service" aircraft, he is exempt
from all FARs.
When I flew (an Aero Commander, of course!) on contract for the U. S. Forest
Service, I learned that the San Bernadino Sheriff's helicopter pilot did not
have a license. And the surplus military helo did not have an airworthiness
certificate. Didn't have to: public service aircraft.
To be fair, most government agencies do operate under Part 91, if not 135
rules, but they do not have to and if the Sheriff will stand up to the FAA,=20it
should all go away. (Would have been nice if he had been deputized)
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
I'm aware of the "Public Service" exemption and I it should negate any
FAA action on everything except the charity rides.
If it really gets ugly and the FAA won't back off, we will probably give
Senator Bennett a call and see if he can help out. Since he is on the
Transportation Appropriations Committee I think he would have a little
influence.
I just think it is such a sad affair that a government agency, that is
specifically there to protect the public would be so myopic as to
believe that prosecuting anyone who did what Jeremy did would promote
the public good. It seems counter-productive to me.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 09:29:10 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> By the way, the FAA has already received letters from Mayor Denny
> Drake of Santa Clara, and Kirk Smith, Washington County Sheriff
> stating that Jeremy was under their direction and that he refused any
> compensation, even for fuel costs.
If he was, indeed, operating as a "Public Service" aircraft, he is
exempt from all FARs.
When I flew (an Aero Commander, of course!) on contract for the U. S.
Forest Service, I learned that the San Bernadino Sheriff's helicopter
pilot did not
have a license. And the surplus military helo did not have an
airworthiness
certificate. Didn't have to: public service aircraft.
To be fair, most government agencies do operate under Part 91, if not
135 rules, but they do not have to and if the Sheriff will stand up to
the FAA,=20it should all go away. (Would have been nice if he had been
deputized)
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 10:20:52 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> If it really gets ugly and the FAA won't back off, we will probably give
> Senator Bennett a call and see if he can help out. Since he is on the
> Transportation Appropriations Committee I think he would have a little
> influence.
Don't wait. Start that process right now. You'll save tons of time if you
do. Maybe even head it off at the pass.
Re: the Blackhawk pilot reporting Jeremy ... I am not apologizing for him or
his actions be aware that when agencies are working an incident they get
territorial.
They're busy, they're communicating on discreet frequencies and any
"outsider" is an intruder, regardless of intent.
Jeremy was doing excellent work but he may have gotten near their Ops and
that's a real hot button.
Again, from my Air Attack days, we'd have all these inter-agency aircraft
working together in a tightly orchestrated dance and a news helicopter or power
company helicopter would show up and piss everyone off. That's could be what's
happened here.
Sending the Blackhawk pilot a letter in a moot point now. It's in the FAA's
hands and it has to be quashed. Pressure from higher up than the FSDO office
has to be applied because FSDO has their bible they have to go by unless
there's "divine intervention." This is where a Senator comes in handy.
Anyone who has met the FAA knows this.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
The one Blackhawk was the only Government aircraft here during the whole
time, so I don't know who he could have been talking to on a discrete
freq. From what I've heard he was a real jerk, but since I didn't
actually see him do any of the things I've heard he did, I won't repeat
them. There was one incident Jeremy told me about that may have been the
his reason to tattling. He (Blackhawk) had landed out in the boonies by
Matoquaw to pick up some stragglers, he told the Sheriff he would only
wait 5 minutes and then would leave. He took off with three people
driving to get to him that were within half a block, thereby stranding
them. Jeremy went in after he left and picked them up per the Sheriff's
request. Jeremy also tells me now, that the Blackhawk pilot is the FAA
official that has been assigned to "investigate".
With that last bit of information, I think I agree with you, that it's
time to contact Senator Bennett.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 10:20:52 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> If it really gets ugly and the FAA won't back off, we will probably
> give Senator Bennett a call and see if he can help out. Since he is on
> the Transportation Appropriations Committee I think he would have a
> little influence.
Don't wait. Start that process right now. You'll save tons of time if
you do. Maybe even head it off at the pass.
Re: the Blackhawk pilot reporting Jeremy ... I am not apologizing for
him or his actions be aware that when agencies are working an incident
they get territorial.
They're busy, they're communicating on discreet frequencies and any
"outsider" is an intruder, regardless of intent.
Jeremy was doing excellent work but he may have gotten near their Ops
and that's a real hot button.
Again, from my Air Attack days, we'd have all these inter-agency
aircraft working together in a tightly orchestrated dance and a news
helicopter or power company helicopter would show up and piss everyone
off. That's could be what's happened here.
Sending the Blackhawk pilot a letter in a moot point now. It's in the
FAA's hands and it has to be quashed. Pressure from higher up than the
FSDO office has to be applied because FSDO has their bible they have to
go by unless there's "divine intervention." This is where a Senator
comes in handy.
Anyone who has met the FAA knows this.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Kerry, without yet reading the article you do understand that these rules
are all to protect the general public. I am a seasoned helicopter pilot
with years of IFR medevac experience. I needed to take "dangerous goods
transportation" courses throughout my career in order to carry same. Flying
dynamite takes knowledge in order to do it safely. I have seen private
operators flying from fair to fair in the summer offering tours if the
manager of the fair got a cut (did it myself in my youth). Some of these
helicopters were flying with time X engines (not mine) allowed in the
private sector but not in the commercial sector. In the rescue business one
takes precautions in order not to make the situation worse by killing
additional people. It's all risky at best.
I hope this young lad manages his way through the FAA red tape. I support
his actions hoping that he knew everything was as it should be with his
equipment and training which will be accepted by the FAA.
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
> and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
> Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
> during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
>
> We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
> homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
> either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
> volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
> much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
> caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
> from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
> the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
> flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
> his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
> offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
> out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
> $20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
>
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
> Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
> they have launched an investigation.
>
> There's an article about it on AVWEB:
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
> you want to read about it.
>
> It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
> or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
> with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
> Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
> rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
>
> KV Electric, INC.
>
> Kerry Johnson
> 1139 North 1210 West
> St. George, UT 84770
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: [Q] *REAL* Commander Ownership Cost |
You heard the old saying, "if you have to ask how much it costs to operate
you can't afford it".
I intend to buck that theory myself, good luck.
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: <dcm@c-sw.com>
Subject: Commander-List: [Q] *REAL* Commander Ownership Cost
>
> Greetings Group,
>
> Can someone *ballpark* relative costs of ownership of an older Twin
> Commander (e.g. 520, 560, 500) for a wanna-be-owner? (I know it depends
on
> aircraft condition, but I am looking for a couple of data points from
> individual experiences.) Please note that I am not a Twin Commander
owner,
> but am fascinated with the design. Keep in mind that I am in my 2nd
> ownership experience (Beech Sundowner). I previously owned a Piper Lance.
>
> In general terms, my ownership experiences so far have shown that the
first
> annual has been the only rough experience, costing an amount equal to
5-10%
> of the purchase price. Buying has been the easiest part, perhaps because
> it is exciting! (I always do a pre-buy inspection, BTW.) My maintenance
> shop is meticulous and it takes $$$ to get "up to their standards".
>
> Any and all information will be much appreciated!
>
> Kind Regards,
> David
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | [Q] What's It Really Worth (Ballpark)? |
Greetings Group,
In Trade-A-Plane, I saw the following:
"1954 560, S/N 186, SEATS 7, Needs paint. All new glass, New Props (30
hrs), New oil filtration, Dual Narco MK-12D NavComs, HSI. 3400 AFTT, 1260
SMOH. Last annual 11/2001. $45K, CA/(831) 335-2745."
The way this ad strikes me is that the first annual would be HUGH! (O.K.,
that's obvious). Is there any other way to view an airplane that hasn't
been annualed in over three years as anything besides a project?
What would "typical" hull value of such an airplane be? That is, if the
purchase price were low enough, it could be considered a good buy if the
purchaser were prepared to rebuild it. Do y'all agree? Maybe if the
asking price were lowered by 50% this airplane could be considered a
possibility for a value-priced rebuild project? (If a pre-buy showed
various components, hoses, etc. to be of serviceable condition, some $
could be added back to the purchase price.)
TIA for any responses.
Kind Regards,
David
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: [Q] What's It Really Worth (Ballpark)? |
There is no such thing as a $45K twin.
Sure, you could buy it at $45, maybe negociate less, but expect to be into it
closer to $100K before you fly it to your home aerodrome.
$100K may seem a bit over the top, but as you start to find out what it needs
and add what you want, I'd be amazed it it was much less.
Yes, I'm skeptical, but I've seen this so many times before that I'm pretty
confident on those numbers.
By the way, if this is the airplane I'm thinking of, saying it needs paint is
quite an understatment. On the up side, only 3/4 of it will need to be
stripped before repainting.
It hasn't flown in 3 years. Are the bladders full of gas? If not, expect to
replace some. Have the mixtures been left in idle cut off? If so, expect to
overhaul 2 pressure carburetors.
Before you start these engines, remove the plugs and pull the prop through
(the correct direction, don't back turn it) and get the oil out of the cylinders
to avoid hydrostatic lock.
In other words, this airplane screams PROJECT! Not that that's a bad thing
-- if you want a project. It's a Commander; it deserves to be restored but=20as
a wise man already said, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
Tom,
Jeremy is my oldest son so I may be a bit biased. I understand the
reasons for the rules, and I believe they are necessary, but in this
case what was done has nothing to do with those reasons. The flying he
was doing with dynamite aboard, was only from one side of the flooded
river to the other side. Jeremy never handled it, and the only passenger
was the demolition expert, who was also the person handling the
dynamite. If there had been another way to get the demo man and his
goods across the river they would have used it because it was dark and
blustery. There was no other way and if Jeremy hadn't taken them across,
they would not have made it across the river. Two homes had already been
devoured by the river because the obstruction dam had diverted the river
out of it's normal channel and more homes were threatened. This was a
last ditch effort to blast the obstruction apart and get the river back
into it's channel and would only have been possible from one side of the
river, which of course was the other side that couldn't be gotten to
other than by air.
As far as his equipment is concerned, it a 2003 R44 with about 400 hours
TT and it is kept properly maintained.
If I had been there and had the skills to do the flying I would have
done the same thing.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
-->
Kerry, without yet reading the article you do understand that these
rules are all to protect the general public. I am a seasoned helicopter
pilot with years of IFR medevac experience. I needed to take "dangerous
goods transportation" courses throughout my career in order to carry
same. Flying dynamite takes knowledge in order to do it safely. I have
seen private operators flying from fair to fair in the summer offering
tours if the manager of the fair got a cut (did it myself in my youth).
Some of these helicopters were flying with time X engines (not mine)
allowed in the private sector but not in the commercial sector. In the
rescue business one takes precautions in order not to make the situation
worse by killing additional people. It's all risky at best. I hope this
young lad manages his way through the FAA red tape. I support his
actions hoping that he knew everything was as it should be with his
equipment and training which will be accepted by the FAA.
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing
> things and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my
> business I Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things
> happening here during the last few weeks I think you may be interested
> in.
>
> We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
> homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
> either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
> volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
> much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
> caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut
> off from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man
> across the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was
> diverting the flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he
> did this all on his dime, and would not accept any compensation from
> anyone. He also offered to give tours to anyone who would donate
> $100.00 toward helping out one family that had lost everything. He
> ended up raising around $20,000.00 that went to them to help them get
> back on their feet.
>
> Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and
> a Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the
> FAA so they have launched an investigation.
>
> There's an article about it on AVWEB:
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
> you want to read about it.
>
> It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
> or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to
> do with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
> Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
> rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
>
> KV Electric, INC.
>
> Kerry Johnson
> 1139 North 1210 West
> St. George, UT 84770
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
As I said from the outset I had not even read the article.
You should be proud of your son, I would have done the same, it's all risk
management.
I hope/believe that the ordeal he is about to go through will be primarily
paper work and he will come through unscathed.
All the best.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> Tom,
>
> Jeremy is my oldest son so I may be a bit biased. I understand the
> reasons for the rules, and I believe they are necessary, but in this
> case what was done has nothing to do with those reasons. The flying he
> was doing with dynamite aboard, was only from one side of the flooded
> river to the other side. Jeremy never handled it, and the only passenger
> was the demolition expert, who was also the person handling the
> dynamite. If there had been another way to get the demo man and his
> goods across the river they would have used it because it was dark and
> blustery. There was no other way and if Jeremy hadn't taken them across,
> they would not have made it across the river. Two homes had already been
> devoured by the river because the obstruction dam had diverted the river
> out of it's normal channel and more homes were threatened. This was a
> last ditch effort to blast the obstruction apart and get the river back
> into it's channel and would only have been possible from one side of the
> river, which of course was the other side that couldn't be gotten to
> other than by air.
>
> As far as his equipment is concerned, it a 2003 R44 with about 400 hours
> TT and it is kept properly maintained.
>
> If I had been there and had the skills to do the flying I would have
> done the same thing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Fisher
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
>
> -->
>
> Kerry, without yet reading the article you do understand that these
> rules are all to protect the general public. I am a seasoned helicopter
> pilot with years of IFR medevac experience. I needed to take "dangerous
> goods transportation" courses throughout my career in order to carry
> same. Flying dynamite takes knowledge in order to do it safely. I have
> seen private operators flying from fair to fair in the summer offering
> tours if the manager of the fair got a cut (did it myself in my youth).
> Some of these helicopters were flying with time X engines (not mine)
> allowed in the private sector but not in the commercial sector. In the
> rescue business one takes precautions in order not to make the situation
> worse by killing additional people. It's all risky at best. I hope this
> young lad manages his way through the FAA red tape. I support his
> actions hoping that he knew everything was as it should be with his
> equipment and training which will be accepted by the FAA.
>
> Tom F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
> To: "'Commander Chat'"
> Subject: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
>
>
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing
> > things and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my
> > business I Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things
> > happening here during the last few weeks I think you may be interested
>
> > in.
> >
> > We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
>
> > homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
> > either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
> > volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
>
> > much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
> > caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut
> > off from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man
> > across the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was
> > diverting the flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he
> > did this all on his dime, and would not accept any compensation from
> > anyone. He also offered to give tours to anyone who would donate
> > $100.00 toward helping out one family that had lost everything. He
> > ended up raising around $20,000.00 that went to them to help them get
> > back on their feet.
> >
> > Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and
> > a Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the
> > FAA so they have launched an investigation.
> >
> > There's an article about it on AVWEB:
> > http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
> > you want to read about it.
> >
> > It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
>
> > or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to
> > do with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
>
> > Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
> > rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
> >
> > KV Electric, INC.
> >
> > Kerry Johnson
> > 1139 North 1210 West
> > St. George, UT 84770
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 14:01:10 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Jeremy is my oldest son so I may be a bit biased.
I am, too, and he's not even related to me.
I've looked through Part 91 and aside from Subpart K, the rules Fractional
Operators adhere to (this is like FAR 135 in most respects) there is no
reference to hazardous material training or permits being mentioned.
That's the good news. The bad news is:
TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION
CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION
PART 175_CARRIAGE BY AIRCRAFT--Table of Contents
Subpart A_General Information and Regulations
Sec. 175.5 Applicability.
(a) This part applies to the acceptance for transportation, loading
and transportation of hazardous materials in any aircraft in the United
States and in aircraft of United States registry anywhere in air
commerce. This part does not apply to:
(1) Aircraft owned and operated by a government when not engaged in
carrying persons or property for commercial purposes;
(2) Aircraft which are not owned by a government nor engaged in
carrying persons or property for commercial purposes but which are under
the exclusive direction and control of a government for a period of not
less than 90 days as specified in a written contract or lease. An
aircraft is under the exclusive direction and control of a government
when the government exercises responsibility for:
(i) Approving crew members and determining that they are qualified
to operate the aircraft;
(ii) Determining the airworthiness and directing maintenance of the
aircraft; and
(iii) Dispatching the aircraft, including the times of departure,
airports to be used, and type and amount of cargo to be carried;
(3) Aircraft of United States registry under lease to and operated
by foreign nationals outside the United States if:
(i) Hazardous materials forbidden aboard aircraft by Sec. 172.101
of this subchapter are not carried on the aircraft; and
(ii) Other hazardous materials are carried in accordance with the
regulations of the State (nation) of the aircraft operator.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
Boy, that is as clear as MUD. The way I read that, none of it applies to
what Jeremy was doing because he was not involved in any commercial
enterprise. There is no written contract between him and the Government
agencies etc. So I suppose that means that the Public Service exemption
would not apply?
The thing about all this is, that this was an emergency and as such any
PIC has the authority to circumvent any FAR if he deems it necessary
because of the emergency.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 14:01:10 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Jeremy is my oldest son so I may be a bit biased.
I am, too, and he's not even related to me.
I've looked through Part 91 and aside from Subpart K, the rules
Fractional Operators adhere to (this is like FAR 135 in most respects)
there is no reference to hazardous material training or permits being
mentioned.
That's the good news. The bad news is:
TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION
CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION
PART 175_CARRIAGE BY AIRCRAFT--Table of Contents
Subpart A_General Information and Regulations
Sec. 175.5 Applicability.
(a) This part applies to the acceptance for transportation, loading
and transportation of hazardous materials in any aircraft in the United
States and in aircraft of United States registry anywhere in air
commerce. This part does not apply to:
(1) Aircraft owned and operated by a government when not engaged in
carrying persons or property for commercial purposes;
(2) Aircraft which are not owned by a government nor engaged in
carrying persons or property for commercial purposes but which are under
the exclusive direction and control of a government for a period of not
less than 90 days as specified in a written contract or lease. An
aircraft is under the exclusive direction and control of a government
when the government exercises responsibility for:
(i) Approving crew members and determining that they are qualified
to operate the aircraft;
(ii) Determining the airworthiness and directing maintenance of the
aircraft; and
(iii) Dispatching the aircraft, including the times of departure,
airports to be used, and type and amount of cargo to be carried;
(3) Aircraft of United States registry under lease to and operated
by foreign nationals outside the United States if:
(i) Hazardous materials forbidden aboard aircraft by Sec. 172.101
of this subchapter are not carried on the aircraft; and
(ii) Other hazardous materials are carried in accordance with the
regulations of the State (nation) of the aircraft operator.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 15:16:48 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> There is no written contract between him and the Government
> agencies etc. So I suppose that means that the Public Service exemption
> would not apply?
>
I'll play Devil's Advocate so you can brain storm around the FAA's mentality.
My take is that with no public service agreement equal to or longer than 90
days, he can't claim public service so that defense is out.
FAR 91.3
... "(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot
incommand may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent requiredto meet
that emergency."
A disaster is not an in-flight emergency.
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Q] What's It Really Worth (Ballpark)? |
CALL ME RE PROJECT PLANE AND ONE SITTING FOR 3 TO 4 YEARS. MASON 817-877-4977
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: [Q] What's It Really Worth (Ballpark)?
There is no such thing as a $45K twin.
Sure, you could buy it at $45, maybe negociate less, but expect to be into it
closer to $100K before you fly it to your home aerodrome.
$100K may seem a bit over the top, but as you start to find out what it needs
and add what you want, I'd be amazed it it was much less.
Yes, I'm skeptical, but I've seen this so many times before that I'm pretty
confident on those numbers.
By the way, if this is the airplane I'm thinking of, saying it needs paint is
quite an understatment. On the up side, only 3/4 of it will need to be
stripped before repainting.
It hasn't flown in 3 years. Are the bladders full of gas? If not, expect to
replace some. Have the mixtures been left in idle cut off? If so, expect to
overhaul 2 pressure carburetors.
Before you start these engines, remove the plugs and pull the prop through
(the correct direction, don't back turn it) and get the oil out of the cylinders
to avoid hydrostatic lock.
In other words, this airplane screams PROJECT! Not that that's a bad thing
-- if you want a project. It's a Commander; it deserves to be restored but20as
a wise man already said, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it."
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: [Q] What's It Really Worth (Ballpark)? |
D, GET A GOOD COMMANDER MECHANIC AND HAVE HIM DO A COMPREHENSIVE PREBUY. THEN
START TALKING MONEY. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: dcm@c-sw.com<mailto:dcm@c-sw.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: [Q] What's It Really Worth (Ballpark)?
Greetings Group,
In Trade-A-Plane, I saw the following:
"1954 560, S/N 186, SEATS 7, Needs paint. All new glass, New Props (30
hrs), New oil filtration, Dual Narco MK-12D NavComs, HSI. 3400 AFTT, 1260
SMOH. Last annual 11/2001. $45K, CA/(831) 335-2745."
The way this ad strikes me is that the first annual would be HUGH! (O.K.,
that's obvious). Is there any other way to view an airplane that hasn't
been annualed in over three years as anything besides a project?
What would "typical" hull value of such an airplane be? That is, if the
purchase price were low enough, it could be considered a good buy if the
purchaser were prepared to rebuild it. Do y'all agree? Maybe if the
asking price were lowered by 50% this airplane could be considered a
possibility for a value-priced rebuild project? (If a pre-buy showed
various components, hoses, etc. to be of serviceable condition, some $
could be added back to the purchase price.)
TIA for any responses.
Kind Regards,
David
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
Well you Devil you, I think I see what you mean. The FAA position would
be that just because peoples lives and property on the ground were in
danger, that doesn't constitute an "In Flight Emergency".
To which we would say, that flight contrary to FARs was the only way to
avert the disaster. And if that scenario doesn't constitute an
emergency, what does it constitute as far as the airman present at the
"occasion" is concerned? What does the FAA expect the said airman to do?
Is he supposed to sit on his thumbs and quote FARs as the people drown
and their homes are washed away?
This could be a very sticky wicket for the FAA. If they do nothing, they
could be in trouble for not following up on a well documented violation.
If they punish Jeremy for what he did, all hell will probably break
loose on them. I know the media is just waiting and hoping for a story,
the County Sheriff, the local Mayors, the Search & Rescue and people in
general that know about this are all fired up and spoiling for a fight.
I wonder, what's the best way out for all concerned?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 15:16:48 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> There is no written contract between him and the Government agencies
> etc. So I suppose that means that the Public Service exemption would
> not apply?
>
I'll play Devil's Advocate so you can brain storm around the FAA's
mentality.
My take is that with no public service agreement equal to or longer than
90 days, he can't claim public service so that defense is out.
FAR 91.3
... "(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot
incommand may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent
requiredto meet that emergency."
A disaster is not an in-flight emergency.
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,
Typical bureaucracy, believe it or not, the FAA for all its faults, is a
pillar of virtue compared to some.
A little time ago, in an area of severe flooding, with all available
aircraft but one, engaged in relief work, a woman on a remote station (
ranch) came into labor, and got into real trouble with a breach birth.
The only aircraft available, a C-172, flown by the owner, a PPL and A&P,
picked the woman up, and took her to the nearest hospital about 250 nm.
Both woman and baby survived, medical evidence at the trial of the pilot
was that neither would have lived without getting to hospital.
Several weeks after the flight, the grateful father/husband offered an
ex-gratia payment to the pilot.
CASA got to hear of the payment, and charged the pilot with conducting an
illegal commercial operation, ie; without a suitable operating certificate.
The pilot was smart enough to elect to have the case heard before a jury,
as the charge was a criminal matter.
Needless to say, the jury found the miscreant NOT GUILTY.
As payback, the maintenance business of the pilot, an A&P ( in Australia a
LAME) was hounded by CASA, he was driven out of business and bankrupted.
As the former President of AOPA Australia, and Technical Director (still) I
have files full of similar vindictive action.
The effect of an oppressive regulator in Australia is the reason GA is not
so slowly fading away.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
At 02:05 25/01/2005, you wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I haven't posted here for quite awhile, seems life keeps changing things
>and we have to change to keep up. I've been so busy with my business I
>Just haven't had much spare time. But we had some things happening here
>during the last few weeks I think you may be interested in.
>
>We had some record breaking flooding here the week of January 10, many
>homes were washed away and completely destroyed, 50 at last count are
>either gone or condemned. Anyway, during the flooding my son Jeremy
>volunteered his R44 and himself to help out and ended up flying pretty
>much non-stop for 4 or 5 days doing everything from rescuing people
>caught by the rising water to delivering food to people who were cut off
>from town and even ferrying some dynamite and the demolition man across
>the river so he could try and clear a debris dam that was diverting the
>flood toward some homes. I'm very proud of Jeremy as he did this all on
>his dime, and would not accept any compensation from anyone. He also
>offered to give tours to anyone who would donate $100.00 toward helping
>out one family that had lost everything. He ended up raising around
>$20,000.00 that went to them to help them get back on their feet.
>
>Well it appears he may have violated some FAR's in doing all this and a
>Helio pilot flying a Blackhawk for the state turned him in to the FAA so
>they have launched an investigation.
>
>There's an article about it on AVWEB:
>http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/341-full.html#189017 if
>you want to read about it.
>
>It's pretty sad to think our Government officials have so little sense
>or ability to look at a situation and determine if it has anything to do
>with why a rule was written or not before they take such an action.
>Reminds me of the Scribes and Pharoses in the Gospels, they know the
>rule book by memory, but don't have a lick of sense.
>
>KV Electric, INC.
>
>Kerry Johnson
>1139 North 1210 West
>St. George, UT 84770
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Aren't the words "...in air commerce" in (a) crucial here?
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> In a message dated 24-Jan-05 14:01:10 Pacific Standard Time,
> kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
>
> > Jeremy is my oldest son so I may be a bit biased.
>
> I am, too, and he's not even related to me.
>
> I've looked through Part 91 and aside from Subpart K, the rules Fractional
> Operators adhere to (this is like FAR 135 in most respects) there is no
> reference to hazardous material training or permits being mentioned.
>
> That's the good news. The bad news is:
>
>
> TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION
>
> CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
> TRANSPORTATION
>
> PART 175_CARRIAGE BY AIRCRAFT--Table of Contents
>
> Subpart A_General Information and Regulations
>
> Sec. 175.5 Applicability.
>
> (a) This part applies to the acceptance for transportation, loading
> and transportation of hazardous materials in any aircraft in the United
> States and in aircraft of United States registry anywhere in air
> commerce. This part does not apply to:
> (1) Aircraft owned and operated by a government when not engaged in
> carrying persons or property for commercial purposes;
> (2) Aircraft which are not owned by a government nor engaged in
> carrying persons or property for commercial purposes but which are under
> the exclusive direction and control of a government for a period of not
> less than 90 days as specified in a written contract or lease. An
> aircraft is under the exclusive direction and control of a government
> when the government exercises responsibility for:
> (i) Approving crew members and determining that they are qualified
> to operate the aircraft;
> (ii) Determining the airworthiness and directing maintenance of the
> aircraft; and
> (iii) Dispatching the aircraft, including the times of departure,
> airports to be used, and type and amount of cargo to be carried;
> (3) Aircraft of United States registry under lease to and operated
> by foreign nationals outside the United States if:
> (i) Hazardous materials forbidden aboard aircraft by Sec. 172.101
> of this subchapter are not carried on the aircraft; and
> (ii) Other hazardous materials are carried in accordance with the
> regulations of the State (nation) of the aircraft operator.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
Hi,
Not sure if I answered the question correctly although I thought I did.
I'm talking 1-2 hrs to change a hydraulic pump only, left engine. I talked
with the A&P guy today and he said he thought it took him about 1 1/2 hrs to
change the one on the plane I fly...he also said it was his first time
changing one. (45 minutes to put it back)
When removing it from the left engine he said the only thing needing
prior removal were the hydraulic lines. However, on the right engine some
of the turbo ducting, air filter and other lines had to be removed before
one could get at the pump.
Love the description of pump removal below. Am going to print it for my
A&P.
RM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
> Ray:
>
> I want your A&P! I haven't found anyone who can do anything to the
> IO-720s
> in less than 1-2 weeks, let alone 1-2 hours! Thank goodness I do my own
> oil
> changes, or the airplane would never fly!
>
> Mason:
>
> The pump and seal are located in the second most fun to work on spot on
> the
> entire airplane (the first is where the electric fuel pump lives in the
> aft
> nacelle). Once you move or remove the induction hoses,
> fuel/oil/hydraulic/upper deck lines, and air cleaner (if you are working
> on
> the right engine), the real fun begins. A good set of stubby end
> wrenches,
> dexterous fingers, a powerful magnet, aspirin, and a fifth of Jack Daniels
> are required tools.
>
> Just bend your arm under the turbo and over the hydraulic pump, and with
> the
> tips of two fingers, put the wrench on the nuts on the fuel pump side of
> the
> hydraulic pump. Loosen approximately 1/64th of one thread (you won't be
> able to move the wrench any more than that), flip the wrench over, and
> reposition on the nut. After two or three cycles, your fingers will get
> tired. Don't worry, you will soon drop the wrench (which will slide under
> the fuel servo and wedge itself between the bottom of the compartment and
> the fuel servo) giving you a much needed break.
>
> By the way, all four nuts on the hydraulic pump need to be backed off more
> or less together, or they will become jam nuts on the case of the
> hydraulic
> pump. After all four nuts and washers are off the pump and you've fished
> them out of the oil in the bottom of the engine compartment, remove the
> pump
> and replace the seal and gasket. Take time to congratulate yourself at
> this
> point; you are approximately 10% complete with this project! Replacement
> makes removal look like a snap!
>
> Or...get Ray's A&P to do it!
>
> Good luck! Trust me, I feel for you.
>
> Brock - 400CH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
> Mansfield
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> Don't think there's an easy way. Just had that done to the 680FLP,
> IO-720
> I fly by an A&P, took him quite a while. Not sure how long but I think
> we're
>
> talking 1-2 hrs, however I do think it was his first time doing the job. .
>
> Ray M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> To: "commander-list"
> Subject: Commander-List:
>
>
>>
>>
>> DOES ANYONE HAVE A EASY ACCESS AND WAY TO CHANGE A GARLOCK SEAL AND
>> GASKET
>
>> AND THE HYDROLIC PUMP ON OFF THE ACCESSORY CASE ON AN IO720 EQUIPED
>> 680FP?
>
>> THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP. MASON N2001M
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 17:33:18 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> Aren't the words "...in air commerce" in (a) crucial here?
Yes, Nico, but they arrive after the crucial words, "in any aircraft."
For about a minute and a half I thought I found The Way Out, but realized
that the air commerce reference was to US carriers outside the US (and not
subject to US Territory law).
As usual, pilots are responsible for knowing all the FARs and any other law
that governs aircraft -- such as NTSB rules, HAZMAT rules, FCC rules, etc.
Of course, we do this, accepting salaries at a fraction of even the worst of
attorneys.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 24-Jan-05 16:26:00 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> I wonder, what's the best way out for all concerned?
>
To answer your question on logic and ethics, I'll defer to Mr. Hamilton's
post from Down Under to illustrate how a government agency can -- and will -- act
in the face of the obvious.
And since I'm the Devil's Advocate, I'll forecast that the FAA will drop it,
or at worst, give Jeremy a letter of Notice of Violation and then not act on
it. That covers them, and keeps a bit of sanity running.
But do not back down on pulling in every Local, State and Federal official
you can. Act as if the FAA is coming and then if nothing happens, you'll have
lots of letters of commendation to frame and hang on the walls.
Wing Commander Gordon
Devil's Advocate
Purveyor of Useless Advice
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Is that what DA-PUA stands for.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
> In a message dated 24-Jan-05 16:26:00 Pacific Standard Time,
> kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
>
> > I wonder, what's the best way out for all concerned?
> >
>
> To answer your question on logic and ethics, I'll defer to Mr. Hamilton's
> post from Down Under to illustrate how a government agency can -- and
will -- act
> in the face of the obvious.
>
> And since I'm the Devil's Advocate, I'll forecast that the FAA will drop
it,
> or at worst, give Jeremy a letter of Notice of Violation and then not act
on
> it. That covers them, and keeps a bit of sanity running.
>
> But do not back down on pulling in every Local, State and Federal official
> you can. Act as if the FAA is coming and then if nothing happens, you'll
have
> lots of letters of commendation to frame and hang on the walls.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
> Devil's Advocate
> Purveyor of Useless Advice
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/24/2005 2:01:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
Jeremy is my oldest son so I may be a bit biased.
He is a hero in my book. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 1/24/2005 6:19:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
And since I'm the Devil's Advocate, I'll forecast that the FAA will drop it
Well, one would hope. I doubt it. The rules the govern our flying have not
changed in a wholesale way in the past 2 decades. The people who enforce them
have, however changed dramatically. In years past, an FAA "person" would
likely be retired from one of maybe even two careers (Millitay/airlaine) and had
a wealth of real world knowledge to draw from. Not so today. The young men
and women have little of no experience. While the old school thought of
themselves as furthering safety and making aviation a better place. The new crowd
are simply "sky cops."
Media attention will likly make little or no difference. Here is their
speech in front of "news 12" "Understand that we also feel a wonderful dead was
done, however, the FAA rules are writen to insure safety for everyone. Those
on the ground depend on us to make certain the air traffic they see above
them wont blow up. We feel strongly that this case needs to be fully prosecuted
to insure Bla Bla Bla......." They will through in a sentence or two about
911 and there you have it.
Pressure for a higher authority MAY help.(did'nt help the Hoov) Your son
needs to wear his violation as a badge of honor. The record only are kept for
5 years. Unless he flies for a living, who cares!! The few, The proud, the
Busted!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
Kerry:
It took me all day to realize who this discussion was about. I was lucky
enough to ferry Jeremy and his new (to him) Cirrus from Scottsdale to SGU a
couple of weeks ago and hate to see him in this position.
My take is that everything Jeremy did is worthy of the Presidential medal
and the Congressional gold medal (please send all the relevent details and
I'll nominate him). There will be no debate about the good deeds he did as
long as it was all on his dime.
However, the FAA has him on one salient point: the benefit rides require
pre-notification. The conversation about public service is irrelevant.
There is no emergency situation that would require "scenic rides" and no
governmental organization can officially sponsor such flights. If a
donation was required to take the flight, he's in violation of the FARs.
The sick part of the whole situation is with a single phone call to me, I
would have done the benefit flights, on my dime, in his Cirrus (or our
Cirrus or our Commander) and been perfectly legal to do so. Jeremy doesn't
know me (or other Las Vegas companies I work for) well enough to know that
he could have saved alot of money and headaches by using me as a resource,
but the unasked question will be his downfall in this situation.
Having said that, I agree with Keith that the FAA will offer a letter of
violation and the situation will be done with. His biggest worry should
not be the FAA, but the insurance company. No insurer will want to get
near a pilot that has an FAA violation on his record! For that reason, you
should immediately pull every string you have to to avoid a notice of
violation. Don't let this get to press or even a formal investigation.
The "best way out for all concerned" is for this investigation to get lost
in the shuffle!
Please let me know if I can help.
Brock Lorber
N400CH - 680FL(P)
N327RH, N578PS, N6053U, N916CD - Cirrus SR22
>
> Well you Devil you, I think I see what you mean. The FAA position would
> be that just because peoples lives and property on the ground were in
> danger, that doesn't constitute an "In Flight Emergency".
>
> To which we would say, that flight contrary to FARs was the only way to
> avert the disaster. And if that scenario doesn't constitute an
> emergency, what does it constitute as far as the airman present at the
> "occasion" is concerned? What does the FAA expect the said airman to do?
> Is he supposed to sit on his thumbs and quote FARs as the people drown
> and their homes are washed away?
>
> This could be a very sticky wicket for the FAA. If they do nothing, they
> could be in trouble for not following up on a well documented violation.
> If they punish Jeremy for what he did, all hell will probably break
> loose on them. I know the media is just waiting and hoping for a story,
> the County Sheriff, the local Mayors, the Search & Rescue and people in
> general that know about this are all fired up and spoiling for a fight.
> I wonder, what's the best way out for all concerned?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Action
>
>
>
> In a message dated 24-Jan-05 15:16:48 Pacific Standard Time,
> kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
>
> > There is no written contract between him and the Government agencies
> > etc. So I suppose that means that the Public Service exemption would
> > not apply?
> >
>
> I'll play Devil's Advocate so you can brain storm around the FAA's
> mentality.
>
> My take is that with no public service agreement equal to or longer than
> 90 days, he can't claim public service so that defense is out.
>
> FAR 91.3
> ... "(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot
> incommand may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent
> requiredto meet that emergency."
>
> A disaster is not an in-flight emergency.
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
You have to remember that the 1% of the good FAA people give the other 99% a
bad name.
Jim A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Patches the Horse! |
You've got to see this to believe it!.................
(Video with sound)
http://www.bassfiles.net/PatchestheHorse.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: POLICE VOICEMAIL |
You need speakers...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: Patches the Horse! |
Thanks Nico, I have some friends that keep and own horses that will like
this.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Patches the Horse!
You've got to see this to believe it!.................
(Video with sound)
http://www.bassfiles.net/PatchestheHorse.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Patches the Horse! |
I, for one, was appalled by the carelessness and abuse Patches received:
That horse was not wearing a seat belt.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Remember the guy who wanted to blow up an airliner? |
1.67 SARE_ADLTSUB2 Contains possible adult words
Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and
tried to light it?
Did you know his trial is over?
Did you know he was sentenced?
Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV/Radio?
Didn't think so.
Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.
Ruling by Judge William Young US District Court.
Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything
to say.
His ! response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record,
Reid also admitted his "allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to
the religion of Allah," defiantly stated "I think I ought not apologize
for my actions," and told the court "I am at war with your country."
Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below, a stinging
condemnation of Reid in particular and terrorists in general:
January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: Mr. Richard C.
Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you. On counts
1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences y! ou to life in prison in the custody of
the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court
sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each
count to run consecutive with the other.
That's 80 years. On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30
years consecutive to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon
you each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine
of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with
respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17
to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes
upon you the $800 special assessment.
The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because
the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I
need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our
statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.
Let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your
terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been
through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here and I say
that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, where we
deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as
individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.
You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a
soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to
call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the
officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that
happens to be your view, you are a terrorist...And we do not negotiate
with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign
documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them
to justice.
So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But
you are not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a
terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.
In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when! you
first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where
the press and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal.
You're no big deal.
What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able
United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly
as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so
horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?
I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to
search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led
you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I
have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this
entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.
It seems to me you hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate
our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as
we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we
individually choose. Here, in this society, the very winds carry
freedom. They carry it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because
we prize individua! l freedom so much that you are here in this
beautiful courtroom. So that everyone can see, truly see, that justice
is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for
freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your
behalf and have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you
before other judges.
We are about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr.
Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is
yet true that we will bare any burden; pay any price, to preserve our
freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not
going to long remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow, it
will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this
courtroom and courtrooms all ! across America, the American people will
gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war,
individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the
United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and
lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of
citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to
mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.
See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of
America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That
flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.
Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.
So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets? We
need more judges like Judge Young, but that's another subject. Pass this
around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to
say. Powerful words that strike home.
God bless America
Pass it on...............................everyone should read this!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Anyone need props? |
Hey Commanderland. Does anyone have need for a pair of practically new props.
They have only 30hours on them. These are the new MV shank props from Hartzell
that are direct replacements for the originals. They are 3 bladed, 84 for
the spline shaft engines, such as GO480B.
Model #: HC-A3MV20-2/MV8433N
These were the permanent solution to AD 97-18-02.
New ones are $28,870 each
I will part with these for much less.
If interested, reply directly to me to avoid unnecessary chatter on the commander
board.
Thanks,
Dan
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | The ultimate tax dollar |
Fuel: $3,000
One flight hour: $20,000
Training to do this: $1,000,000
Having you and I pay for it: priceless.
http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: The ultimate tax dollar |
nico css wrote:
> http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv
Sweet!
Should have put a warming on this posting Nico - may cause unexpected
reactions in some males....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | The ultimate tax dollar |
Nico,
That was a goooood one. You might like this one.
http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/XF-11_crash_site.htm
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Commander-List: The ultimate tax dollar
Fuel: $3,000
One flight hour: $20,000
Training to do this: $1,000,000
Having you and I pay for it: priceless.
http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The ultimate tax dollar |
Thanks, Jim. I put that one in my favorites folder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: The ultimate tax dollar
>
> Nico,
>
> That was a goooood one. You might like this one.
> http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/XF-11_crash_site.htm
>
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: The ultimate tax dollar
>
>
>
>
> Fuel: $3,000
> One flight hour: $20,000
> Training to do this: $1,000,000
> Having you and I pay for it: priceless.
>
> http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The ultimate tax dollar |
They don't call those reactions airgasms for nothing, you know.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: The ultimate tax dollar
>
>
> nico css wrote:
> > http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv
>
> Sweet!
> Should have put a warming on this posting Nico - may cause unexpected
> reactions in some males....
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 680-490-160 N6222D |
Hi JimBob,
Amended owner details:
Danny C & Debra Schindler
117 Hackberry Trail
Forney
Texas
75126
Tel: 972 564 9520 (but the last digit is very indistinct)
The FAA have this aircraft listed as:
registration pending (to Danny Schindler et al)
6950 Sue Ann Lane
Terrell
Texas
75161-8173
I'm not sure why the FAA show as it is, the Application for Registration showed
the Forney address.
Go get 'em!!
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joann Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680-490-160 N6222D |
bc, forney and terrell are right next to each other. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
Subject: Commander-List: 680-490-160 N6222D
Hi JimBob,
Amended owner details:
Danny C & Debra Schindler
117 Hackberry Trail
Forney
Texas
75126
Tel: 972 564 9520 (but the last digit is very indistinct)
The FAA have this aircraft listed as:
registration pending (to Danny Schindler et al)
6950 Sue Ann Lane
Terrell
Texas
75161-8173
I'm not sure why the FAA show as it is, the Application for Registration showed
the Forney address.
Go get 'em!!
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joann Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: The ultimate tax dollar |
go see all of this in "the aviator"
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
Subject: RE: Commander-List: The ultimate tax dollar
Nico,
That was a goooood one. You might like this one.
http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/XF-11_crash_site.htm
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Commander-List: The ultimate tax dollar
Fuel: $3,000
One flight hour: $20,000
Training to do this: $1,000,000
Having you and I pay for it: priceless.
http://raf.union.rpi.edu/downloads/f18_ride.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680-490-160 N6222D |
THANKS!! JB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joann Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680-490-160 N6222D |
JB, FORNEY AND TERRELL ARE ONLY ABOUT 70 MILES FROM ME, IF I CAN HELP. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680-490-160 N6222D
THANKS!! JB
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
>
>
> go see all of this in "the aviator"
Brings up a sore spot for me. I was supposed to fly for that movie. I
was to make a series of low passes for a hi-tech recording system in my
CJ-6A with the sound to be used for the H-1 Racer. The day before our
recording session some bonehead in a T-28 was doing the same thing and
crashed...got behind the power curve making a dirty pass and totaled
the airplane. Of course, he walked away. Anyway, I get a call from
the producer saying that it had been cancelled because insurance would
not cover it. Cost me $2500...not to mention my immortality at the
bottom of the movie credits!
So, 8 months later I'm flying with a group of 4 other T-28's. At the
lunch table one of the guys proudly says, "wanna see the pictures of my
crash?" .....Yep, the guy that cost me two and a half grand is now
sitting across the table from me bragging about his crash! Nothing
like a little salt in the wound!
BTW, anyone want a 680E that will be absolutely the most structurally
sound bathtub Commander on the market? Morris is half way through
replacing the landing gear trusses and motor mounts....as Morris would
say, "the stack of $100 bills is shrinking."
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
HI Barry,
I loved the sound when I flew with you.
How much do you want for your 680E?
Where did you get the parts for the trusses? Did you take photos of the
process to replace them?
Tylor Hall
On Jan 27, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
>
>
> go see all of this in "the aviator"
Brings up a sore spot for me. I was supposed to fly for that movie. I
was to make a series of low passes for a hi-tech recording system in my
CJ-6A with the sound to be used for the H-1 Racer. The day before our
recording session some bonehead in a T-28 was doing the same thing and
crashed...got behind the power curve making a dirty pass and totaled
the airplane. Of course, he walked away. Anyway, I get a call from
the producer saying that it had been cancelled because insurance would
not cover it. Cost me $2500...not to mention my immortality at the
bottom of the movie credits!
So, 8 months later I'm flying with a group of 4 other T-28's. At the
lunch table one of the guys proudly says, "wanna see the pictures of my
crash?" .....Yep, the guy that cost me two and a half grand is now
sitting across the table from me bragging about his crash! Nothing
like a little salt in the wound!
BTW, anyone want a 680E that will be absolutely the most structurally
sound bathtub Commander on the market? Morris is half way through
replacing the landing gear trusses and motor mounts....as Morris would
say, "the stack of $100 bills is shrinking."
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Propellers for sale. |
Hi Jb
Yes, i do have a plane. If not sold in 1 month, I will part her out. It will
be a sad day.
Its a complete 560, engines running at high compression, but at TBO. Everything
on the plane works, Plane still flies. Props have 30 hours since new. What
do you need? I also have 11 fresh cylinders assemblies for her, will sell for
$800 each. I have a roboTow bar for $500, hardly used. Also I have 6 original
prop blades for her taged "servicable" and suitable for the MV modification.
2 prop hubs in uncertian state, but appear to be very good.
Make me a list of what you're looking for and an offer for each.
Dan
Looks like you have a 560 to sell here too...are you selling parts off it? if
so I would be interested in quite a few parts, let me know what other parts you
may have for sale.
Thanx
Jb.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Propellers for sale. |
Will the roboTow bar work on a 500 shrike? If so I have a strong
interest in it.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Stewart
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Propellers for sale.
Hi Jb
Yes, i do have a plane. If not sold in 1 month, I will part her out.
It will be a sad day.
Its a complete 560, engines running at high compression, but at TBO.
Everything on the plane works, Plane still flies. Props have 30 hours
since new. What do you need? I also have 11 fresh cylinders assemblies
for her, will sell for $800 each. I have a roboTow bar for $500, hardly
used. Also I have 6 original prop blades for her taged "servicable"
and suitable for the MV modification. 2 prop hubs in uncertian state,
but appear to be very good.
Make me a list of what you're looking for and an offer for each.
Dan
Looks like you have a 560 to sell here too...are you selling parts off
it? if so I would be interested in quite a few parts, let me know what
other parts you may have for sale.
Thanx
Jb.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 01/28/05 |
On Jan 28, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
> Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
>
> Don
LOL! Yeah, but *I* would have!
:)
Tylor, contact me off list...Morris has been taking pictures. We've
had the trusses manufactured... When all the work is done and it's
painted I'll take $135K for it, right now you can buy it at a
discount....
B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
That's comforting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
> Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
>
> Don
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise of
other methods if I am wrong here.
Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We just
purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander 500
N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue to
fall in love with the new lady.
On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
#720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would love
to fly him out to see his old friend.
Steve G and Rob M
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Girod
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bobby Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
This is what I found:
N-number : N401E
Aircraft Serial Number : 720-650-6
Aircraft Manufacturer : AERO COMMANDER
Model : 720
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : GSO&IGSO-480
Aircraft Year : 1959
Owner Name : JOYCE JACK
Owner Address : PO BOX 571
AMELIA, LA, 70340
Type of Owner : Partnership
Registration Date : 06-Aug-1981
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise
of
other methods if I am wrong here.
Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We
just
purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander
500
N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue
to
fall in love with the new lady.
On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
#720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would
love
to fly him out to see his old friend.
Steve G and Rob M
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
Girod
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Thanks,
I am aware of this registration, but the bird disappears after this.
Nothing comes up in my searches.
Steve G
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Sather
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
This is what I found:
N-number : N401E
Aircraft Serial Number : 720-650-6
Aircraft Manufacturer : AERO COMMANDER
Model : 720
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : GSO&IGSO-480
Aircraft Year : 1959
Owner Name : JOYCE JACK
Owner Address : PO BOX 571
AMELIA, LA, 70340
Type of Owner : Partnership
Registration Date : 06-Aug-1981
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise
of
other methods if I am wrong here.
Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We
just
purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander
500
N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue
to
fall in love with the new lady.
On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
#720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would
love
to fly him out to see his old friend.
Steve G and Rob M
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
Girod
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Steve,
Thanks for introducing yourself, and I hope you get many happy hours flying your
Model 500.
The Model 720 you're looking for is indeed registered to Jack Joyce and Robert
Munro, of Amelia, Louisiana. They purchased it on April 10th 1981.
But, the last I knew, it was with Desert Aircraft Salvage, Artesia,New Mexico
and that report was back in September 1995.
I'm presently in the process of building myself a new PC workstation, so
resources are somewhat limited right now. Also in a week or so, I should be
getting a new PC. But, if you remind me in a few week's time, I'll send you the
history of both the Model 720 and your Model 500 (s/n 683).
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian)
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
|
| I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise of
| other methods if I am wrong here.
|
| Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We just
| purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander 500
| N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
| Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue to
| fall in love with the new lady.
|
| On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
| #720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
| father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
| information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
| stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would love
| to fly him out to see his old friend.
|
| Steve G and Rob M
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Girod
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
|
|
|
| Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
|
| Don
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
A Google search came up with this phone number.
Artiesia is 239 miles south of ABQ, so it is a little ways from me.
Artiesia is 40 miles south of Roswell, NM. A phone call will tell you if
the aircraft is still there and what is left of it.
Desert Aircraft Salvage
5401 West Richardson Avenue, Artesia, NM 88210
(505) 748-2107
Tylor Hall
Hi Steve,
Thanks for introducing yourself, and I hope you get many happy hours flying
your
Model 500.
The Model 720 you're looking for is indeed registered to Jack Joyce and
Robert
Munro, of Amelia, Louisiana. They purchased it on April 10th 1981.
But, the last I knew, it was with Desert Aircraft Salvage, Artesia,New
Mexico
and that report was back in September 1995.
I'm presently in the process of building myself a new PC workstation, so
resources are somewhat limited right now. Also in a week or so, I should be
getting a new PC. But, if you remind me in a few week's time, I'll send you
the
history of both the Model 720 and your Model 500 (s/n 683).
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian)
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
|
| I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise of
| other methods if I am wrong here.
|
| Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We
just
| purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander
500
| N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
| Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue to
| fall in love with the new lady.
|
| On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
| #720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
| father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
| information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
| stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would love
| to fly him out to see his old friend.
|
| Steve G and Rob M
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
Girod
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
|
|
|
| Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
|
| Don
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Commander- 6291B |
STEVE, I HAVE 628AH, FORMERLY 6287B. IF YOU NEED ANY HELP WITH THE 500 CALL JIM
SCHILLER AT 561-262-8155. HE IS ONE OF THE BEST AS HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON 500'S
FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. FOR INFORMATION ON THE COMMANDER, THIS LIST IS THE BEST.
IF THEY DO NOT KNOW IT, YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES ON THE 500 THAT ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE OTHERS
SUCH AS THE CARB HEAT BOX. IF THAT IS NOT ADJUSTED RIGHT YOU WILL HAVE A SIMULATED
ENGINE FAILURE. (PULL THE CARB HEAT LEVER).
ON ALL OLD COMMANDERS, INSPECT THE RUDDER PEDAL TO CABLE CONNECTION AS IT IS ALMOST
WORN OUT. WE HAD TWO INFLIGHT FAILURES BEFOREE WE FIXED THEM ALL. JIM
CAN GIVE YOU SOME OTHERS.
WE ARE AT LANTANA FLORIIDA (LNA) NEAR PALM BEACH. COME BY ANYTIME AND LET'S TALK
ABOUT THE 500. ALLAN HOFFMAN
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
message body is 75-100% uppercase
Allan,
Wow! Thanks a lot for the heads up. Rob and I plan on as many trips as
possible starting next week and will call if we get your way.
Steve G
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
alh1(at)juno.com
body is 75-100% uppercase
STEVE, I HAVE 628AH, FORMERLY 6287B. IF YOU NEED ANY HELP WITH THE 500 CALL
JIM SCHILLER AT 561-262-8155. HE IS ONE OF THE BEST AS HE HAS BEEN WORKING
ON 500'S FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. FOR INFORMATION ON THE COMMANDER, THIS LIST IS
THE BEST. IF THEY DO NOT KNOW IT, YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENCES ON THE 500 THAT ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE
OTHERS SUCH AS THE CARB HEAT BOX. IF THAT IS NOT ADJUSTED RIGHT YOU WILL
HAVE A SIMULATED ENGINE FAILURE. (PULL THE CARB HEAT LEVER).
ON ALL OLD COMMANDERS, INSPECT THE RUDDER PEDAL TO CABLE CONNECTION AS IT IS
ALMOST WORN OUT. WE HAD TWO INFLIGHT FAILURES BEFOREE WE FIXED THEM ALL.
JIM CAN GIVE YOU SOME OTHERS.
WE ARE AT LANTANA FLORIIDA (LNA) NEAR PALM BEACH. COME BY ANYTIME AND LET'S
TALK ABOUT THE 500. ALLAN HOFFMAN
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
My 500B presently only has lap belts all around. I would like to install
shoulder harnesses for the pilot and copilot seats. Is there an approved
modification for this, and where would I find a vendor? Has anyone installed
inertial reel split shoulder harnesses? If so, same question.
Thanks,
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com> |
Larry,
BAS has what you need. Their belts can be installed on a field-approval
basis. Look for their ad in Trade-a-Plane. Let us know if you do it.
Jimmy
N107VC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Wokral
Subject: Commander-List: Seat Belts
My 500B presently only has lap belts all around. I would like to install
shoulder harnesses for the pilot and copilot seats. Is there an approved
modification for this, and where would I find a vendor? Has anyone
installed
inertial reel split shoulder harnesses? If so, same question.
Thanks,
Larry Wokral
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Where is L31 St. Tammany?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
> I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise of
> other methods if I am wrong here.
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We
> just
> purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander
> 500
> N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
> Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue to
> fall in love with the new lady.
>
> On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
> #720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
> father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
> information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
> stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would love
> to fly him out to see his old friend.
>
> Steve G and Rob M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
> Girod
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
>
>
> Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
>
> Don
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
Covington, LA
http://www.airnav.com/airport/L31
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow [mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
Where is L31 St. Tammany?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
> I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please
advise of
> other methods if I am wrong here.
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro.
We
> just
> purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero
Commander
> 500
> N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
> Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue
to
> fall in love with the new lady.
>
> On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
> #720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
> father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
> information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
> stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would
love
> to fly him out to see his old friend.
>
> Steve G and Rob M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
> Girod
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
>
>
> Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
>
> Don
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Bilbo,
Go to airnav.com. It will give all information on the airport including fuel
prices for a 50 mile radius.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
Where is L31 St. Tammany?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
> I hope I am addressing the list properly via this reply. Please advise of
> other methods if I am wrong here.
>
> Just wanted to introduce myself Steve Gilson and partner Rob Munro. We
> just
> purchased and flew home from St. Louis to L31 St. Tammany Aero Commander
> 500
> N6291B. Our first. I also own an A35 Bonanza while Rob has a 1964 MC
> Mooney. We will greatly appreciate everyones knowledge as we continue to
> fall in love with the new lady.
>
> On a different matter, I am looking for a 720 Commander, N401E, serial
> #720-650-6 which disappeared off my radar screen a few years back. My
> father has some history with her and I was hoping to get some current
> information for him. He is getting up there and would appreciate any
> stories and whereabouts. If still within our radius and time I would love
> to fly him out to see his old friend.
>
> Steve G and Rob M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lowell
> Girod
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Aviator
>
>
>
> Take heart Barry, nobody sticks around and reads the credits!
>
> Don
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
Guys
I need a bracket that goes around the augmenter tube on a 520
commander. Anyone have a good one for sale or know of a source for new ones.
Jpillatzki at 702com.net.
Jody
Pillatzki
411VV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Commander Covers |
Hello Commanderland
I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover for
his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
from you. Thanks for your help.
Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Randy,
I don't know how well Dennis Polito's cover worked. You can reach him at
650-595-3949 if you want to bend his ear.
Is it for certain the windows? After years of trying to seal my windows, the
culprit turned out to be an antenna; the water would leak in the overhead,
then run towards the front and down the pilot door, making it look as if the
pilot door seal were no good. We fixed it and hopefully it'll hold up with
the new interior.
Incidentally, Jimbob is in MO right NOW, picking up the airplane, woohoo!
He's leaving from there at oh-dark-hundred tomorrow morning and will
hopefully have the airplane back here by tomorrow evening.
When it gets back I'll take some pix and post a link.
Cheers,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Hello Commanderland
> I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
> 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
> Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
for
> his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>
> If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> from you. Thanks for your help.
>
> Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Wing to fuselage is where my 500B leaked.
I sign for my 680FLP Mr. RPM tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly contain
myself.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Hello Commanderland
> I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
> 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
> Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
for
> his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>
> If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> from you. Thanks for your help.
>
> Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
I remember having had the same problem with my 500. The water would appear
to drip from behind the overhead console. It wasn't much but enough to be
irritating.
At one time I contemplated removing and resealing the windshield, but I had
to sell her to emigrate to the US so it was never done. The covers I had
made patch-covered only the windows, so I wasn't expecting any water
protection from that.
Just a piece of worthless information.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Hello Commanderland
> I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
> 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
> Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
for
> his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>
> If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> from you. Thanks for your help.
>
> Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Tom,
AWESOME!!!
Let us know how you like it!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Wing to fuselage is where my 500B leaked.
> I sign for my 680FLP Mr. RPM tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly contain
> myself.
> Tom F.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: "Commander Chat"
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
>
> >
> > Hello Commanderland
> > I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into
my
> > 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my
cherished
> > Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> > remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
> for
> > his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> > worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> > keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
> >
> > If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> > from you. Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
In a message dated 31-Jan-05 18:44:13 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> I sign for my 680FLP Mr. RPM tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly contain
> myself.
Tom!
That's great news. Which one are you buying?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Commander Covers |
Randy;
I have a cover for my 560E, got it from Bruce's Covers at Sun & Fun last
year. I never had too much of a problem with leaks but was concerned about
the new windshields, however this one goes from just ahead of the
windshield to over the leading edges. It hooks over the wings to the flaps
and two straps under the fuselage. So far I am pleased, I will send you a
picture direct if you are interested. I also have trouble finding a
hanger, seems like most hangers where I keep my Commander have forty or
fifty foot doors.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: Commander Chat
> Date: 1/31/2005 9:32:12 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
> Hello Commanderland
> I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
> 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
> Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
for
> his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>
> If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> from you. Thanks for your help.
>
> Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
After I sign I will tell all.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> In a message dated 31-Jan-05 18:44:13 Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> > I sign for my 680FLP Mr. RPM tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly
contain
> > myself.
>
> Tom!
>
> That's great news. Which one are you buying?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Randy et. al.,
http://www.aircraftcovers.com/techsheets/ac500.html
Looks like a pretty good set of options, and at roughly $800 it might be a
good investment...
Great, thanks guys. With a new interior & windshield to protect, now you've
got me thinking maybe I should get one too.
When will I be done spending money on this thing? (that's a rhetorical
question, I already know the answer)
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Randy;
>
> I have a cover for my 560E, got it from Bruce's Covers at Sun & Fun last
> year. I never had too much of a problem with leaks but was concerned
about
> the new windshields, however this one goes from just ahead of the
> windshield to over the leading edges. It hooks over the wings to the
flaps
> and two straps under the fuselage. So far I am pleased, I will send you a
> picture direct if you are interested. I also have trouble finding a
> hanger, seems like most hangers where I keep my Commander have forty or
> fifty foot doors.
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > To: Commander Chat
> > Date: 1/31/2005 9:32:12 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
> >
>
> >
> > Hello Commanderland
> > I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into
my
> > 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my
cherished
> > Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> > remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
> for
> > his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> > worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> > keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
> >
> > If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> > from you. Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Randy,
One good thing, if the Bruce's cover is a good one.....they're here in
Sunnyvale, about a 5 min. drive from PAO!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Randy;
>
> I have a cover for my 560E, got it from Bruce's Covers at Sun & Fun last
> year. I never had too much of a problem with leaks but was concerned
about
> the new windshields, however this one goes from just ahead of the
> windshield to over the leading edges. It hooks over the wings to the
flaps
> and two straps under the fuselage. So far I am pleased, I will send you a
> picture direct if you are interested. I also have trouble finding a
> hanger, seems like most hangers where I keep my Commander have forty or
> fifty foot doors.
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> > To: Commander Chat
> > Date: 1/31/2005 9:32:12 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
> >
>
> >
> > Hello Commanderland
> > I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into
my
> > 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my
cherished
> > Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> > remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
> for
> > his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> > worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> > keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
> >
> > If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> > from you. Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
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| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A |
My mechanic, Fred Holstein, and his son Jeff recently completed the
installation of a JPI engine monitor for me in N811D. The link below shows
the graph of a flight last weekend. Tought the group might find it
interesting...
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Engine%20Monitor%20Data%20for%202005%2001%20
23.html
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| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Hi Randy,
Just a thought, but have you made sure the sun roof is closed! ? !
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
|
| Hello Commanderland
| I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
| 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
| Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
| remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover for
| his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
| worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
| keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
|
| If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
| from you. Thanks for your help.
|
| Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
|
| Randy Dettmer
| 680F/N6253X
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Here in Florida, the land of the bugs, the leak is from a different place.
The Mud Dobbers like to plug up the drain hole for the cabin exhaust scoops.
The ones on the roof just aft of the leading edge. Then it rains and the
little collection box fills with water since the drain is plugged and it
runs down the side wall into the cabin. I thought I was the only one with
the problem.
My Bruces Cover fixed the problem.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
> Hello Commanderland
> I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
> 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
> Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
> for
> his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>
> If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> from you. Thanks for your help.
>
> Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A |
that link didn't work for me.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A
>
>
> My mechanic, Fred Holstein, and his son Jeff recently completed the
> installation of a JPI engine monitor for me in N811D. The link below
> shows
> the graph of a flight last weekend. Tought the group might find it
> interesting...
>
> http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Engine%20Monitor%20Data%20for%202005%2001%20
> 23.html
>
> ak
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Some of the windshield manufacturers recommend NOT using a cover.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Randy et. al.,
>
> http://www.aircraftcovers.com/techsheets/ac500.html
>
> Looks like a pretty good set of options, and at roughly $800 it might be a
> good investment...
>
> Great, thanks guys. With a new interior & windshield to protect, now
> you've
> got me thinking maybe I should get one too.
>
> When will I be done spending money on this thing? (that's a rhetorical
> question, I already know the answer)
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
>
>>
>> Randy;
>>
>> I have a cover for my 560E, got it from Bruce's Covers at Sun & Fun last
>> year. I never had too much of a problem with leaks but was concerned
> about
>> the new windshields, however this one goes from just ahead of the
>> windshield to over the leading edges. It hooks over the wings to the
> flaps
>> and two straps under the fuselage. So far I am pleased, I will send you
>> a
>> picture direct if you are interested. I also have trouble finding a
>> hanger, seems like most hangers where I keep my Commander have forty or
>> fifty foot doors.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>> > To: Commander Chat
>> > Date: 1/31/2005 9:32:12 PM
>> > Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > Hello Commanderland
>> > I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into
> my
>> > 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my
> cherished
>> > Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
>> > remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
>> for
>> > his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
>> > worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain
>> > just
>> > keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>> >
>> > If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate
>> > hearing
>> > from you. Thanks for your help.
>> >
>> > Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>> >
>> > Randy Dettmer
>> > 680F/N6253X
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Commander Covers |
Hi Barry,
Darn...forgot about the sunroof. Bet that's my problem. Thanks for the
tip. BTW...will we see you at the next flyin in California..?? I'll be
sure to be there...along with all of us "west coasters".
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Randy,
Just a thought, but have you made sure the sun roof is closed! ? !
BC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
|
| Hello Commanderland
| I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
| 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
| Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
| remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
for
| his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
| worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
| keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
|
| If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
| from you. Thanks for your help.
|
| Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
|
| Randy Dettmer
| 680F/N6253X
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Commander Covers |
Thanks everyone for the excellent response to my questions about covers. I
will be looking into a Bruce's Cover. I am planning an interior upgrade,
and sure would like to keep it dry. $800 seems like a reasonable expense.
The only hangar space I have been able to find at SBP is "half a hangar" at
almost $900 a month.
RD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
Some of the windshield manufacturers recommend NOT using a cover.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Randy et. al.,
>
> http://www.aircraftcovers.com/techsheets/ac500.html
>
> Looks like a pretty good set of options, and at roughly $800 it might be a
> good investment...
>
> Great, thanks guys. With a new interior & windshield to protect, now
> you've
> got me thinking maybe I should get one too.
>
> When will I be done spending money on this thing? (that's a rhetorical
> question, I already know the answer)
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
>
>>
>> Randy;
>>
>> I have a cover for my 560E, got it from Bruce's Covers at Sun & Fun last
>> year. I never had too much of a problem with leaks but was concerned
> about
>> the new windshields, however this one goes from just ahead of the
>> windshield to over the leading edges. It hooks over the wings to the
> flaps
>> and two straps under the fuselage. So far I am pleased, I will send you
>> a
>> picture direct if you are interested. I also have trouble finding a
>> hanger, seems like most hangers where I keep my Commander have forty or
>> fifty foot doors.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>> > To: Commander Chat
>> > Date: 1/31/2005 9:32:12 PM
>> > Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > Hello Commanderland
>> > I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into
> my
>> > 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my
> cherished
>> > Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
>> > remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
>> for
>> > his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
>> > worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain
>> > just
>> > keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
>> >
>> > If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate
>> > hearing
>> > from you. Thanks for your help.
>> >
>> > Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
>> >
>> > Randy Dettmer
>> > 680F/N6253X
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
> The only hangar space I have been able to find at SBP is "half a hangar" at
> almost $900 a month.
OUCH!
Whenever I start thinking that Oklahoma is a sorry place to live,
somebody comes along and reminds me there are some positives. I pay
$150/month for a nice, insulated and heated hangar and 100LL is
$2.25/gal. ($1.95 for self serve).
My hat's off to you guys who havn't just given up on flying due to the
expense!
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A |
Sometimes browsers mess spaces up. This one should work...
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/EngineData20050123.html
ak
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Bill Bow
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:05 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A
>
> -->
>
> that link didn't work for me.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A
>
>
> >
> >
> > My mechanic, Fred Holstein, and his son Jeff recently completed the
> > installation of a JPI engine monitor for me in N811D. The
> link below
> > shows
> > the graph of a flight last weekend. Tought the group might find it
> > interesting...
> >
> >
> http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Engine%20Monitor%20Data%20for%
> 202005%2001%20
> > 23.html
> >
> > ak
> >
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A |
I get "page cannot be found".
Tom F
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: New Engine Monitor in Colemill 500A
>
> My mechanic, Fred Holstein, and his son Jeff recently completed the
> installation of a JPI engine monitor for me in N811D. The link below
shows
> the graph of a flight last weekend. Tought the group might find it
> interesting...
>
>
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/Engine%20Monitor%20Data%20for%202005%2001%20
> 23.html
>
> ak
>
> --
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Where in California will it be held?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Hi Barry,
> Darn...forgot about the sunroof. Bet that's my problem. Thanks for the
> tip. BTW...will we see you at the next flyin in California..?? I'll be
> sure to be there...along with all of us "west coasters".
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
> Collman
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Randy,
>
> Just a thought, but have you made sure the sun roof is closed! ? !
>
> BC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: "Commander Chat"
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
>
> |
> | Hello Commanderland
> | I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into
my
> | 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my
cherished
> | Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
> | remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
> for
> | his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
> | worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
> | keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
> |
> | If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
> | from you. Thanks for your help.
> |
> | Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
> |
> | Randy Dettmer
> | 680F/N6253X
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Subject: FW: Lucky GI
checks out on http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/toothmiracle.htm and
snopes.com
Christmas Eve morning a soldier came into our clinic at the Ibn Sina
Hospital in downtown Baghdad covered in his own blood. He recounted an
incredible story. Early Christmas Eve morning, two squads were assigned to
sweep and clear two adjacent homes where Iraq terrorists were holed-up.
The patient, SGT C, was leading one of those assault squads. The other
squad hit their target first.
SGT C said that he heard a lot of small arms fire and yelling, so he
thought he would round the corner and size up the situation before
advancing his team. Unfortunately, as he turned the corner, he found
himself staring directly into the barrel of a 9mm automatic pistol. SGT C
said he never had time to be scared, he just knew he was dead. The
terrorist pulled the trigger and, miraculously, SGT C found himself still
standing. He figured the bullet had missed. He advanced on the Iraqi, who
immediately surrendered. After the enemy was rounded up, SGT C said he
started to feel light headed and one of his soldiers insisted that he
proceed to the hospital. He realized at this time that he had lost his
front tooth in the gun fight. He figured the ballistic shock from the
weapon's blast had knocked it loose. He was wrong.
When he presented early that morning Major Kimberly Perkins, our oral
surgeon, took a panograph and discovered the incredible truth. The 9mm
bullet did NOT miss SGT C. He was hit directly in the face. The bullet
entered just below his nose where it impacted the apex of #8. The energy
from the bullet was transferred to the tooth, literally ejecting the tooth
from its socket, and stopping the bullet in its track. Other than the
missing tooth, the majority of SGT C's injuries were confined to soft
tissue.
(Embedded image moved to file: pic24626.jpg)
Here is the pan with the bullet clearly visible, embedded in the upper
lip.
(Embedded image moved to file: pic11323.jpg)
SGT C is a citizen soldier - a reservist. When he returns to the states,
the Army will see he has an implant replacement for the missing #8.
Meanwhile, the prosthodontist in Baghdad, LTC Richard Druckman, made him an
acrylic interim treatment partial. When SGT C came in for the prosthesis,
I said "Can you imagine what the enemy thought when he shot you point blank
in the face, and you just kept coming at him! ! Americans are invincible.
No wonder he surrendered so fast!"
(Embedded image moved to file: pic05537.pcx)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
Hi Randy,
I'll be there and am hoping to see lots of Commanders!
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
|
| Hi Barry,
| Darn...forgot about the sunroof. Bet that's my problem. Thanks for the
| tip. BTW...will we see you at the next flyin in California..?? I'll be
| sure to be there...along with all of us "west coasters".
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Randy,
|
| Just a thought, but have you made sure the sun roof is closed! ? !
|
| BC
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
| To: "Commander Chat"
| Subject: Commander-List: Commander Covers
|
|
|
| |
| | Hello Commanderland
| | I am looking for a solution to preventing rain water from seeping into my
| | 680F. Since I do not have the luxury of a hangar to protect my cherished
| | Commander, I am wondering if anyone has had any sucess with covers. I
| | remember that Dennis Poletti (hope I spelled that right...) had a cover
| for
| | his Commander that covered the fuselage. Do they work..?? Morris has
| | worked hard to seal windows during annual inspections, but the rain just
| | keeps coming in and soaking the carpet.
| |
| | If anybody has any insight to this situation, I would appreciate hearing
| | from you. Thanks for your help.
| |
| | Wet in San Luis Obispo, CA...
| |
| | Randy Dettmer
| | 680F/N6253X
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Commander Covers |
Tom,
Sounds great, go.
Dick MacCoon lives just South of you. You may want to go see him.
He is full of a lot of information about your aircraft.
There is a lot of information tucked away in his head.
He is very open to talking about his aircraft. He is treasure that wants to
talk.
Tylor Hall
After I sign I will tell all.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> In a message dated 31-Jan-05 18:44:13 Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> > I sign for my 680FLP Mr. RPM tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly
contain
> > myself.
>
> Tom!
>
> That's great news. Which one are you buying?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander Covers |
You bet, I signed the papers with the bank today and will be sending payment
this week.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
> Tom,
> Sounds great, go.
> Dick MacCoon lives just South of you. You may want to go see him.
> He is full of a lot of information about your aircraft.
> There is a lot of information tucked away in his head.
> He is very open to talking about his aircraft. He is treasure that wants
to
> talk.
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> After I sign I will tell all.
> Tom F.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Covers
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 31-Jan-05 18:44:13 Pacific Standard Time,
> > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> >
> > > I sign for my 680FLP Mr. RPM tomorrow, I'm so excited I can hardly
> contain
> > > myself.
> >
> > Tom!
> >
> > That's great news. Which one are you buying?
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
Hi all,
I thought you might like a follow up as to what has been happening with
Jeremy and his case with the FAA. Jeremy got a call from the Desert News
last Friday asking him to comment on the letter Orrin Hatch had written
to the FAA. Jeremy didn't know that Senator Hatch had written anything,
so they emailed him a copy of the letter. Here's a copy of the letter
the
deseret news got ahold of from Senator Orrin Hatch to the administrator
of the FAA:
January 28, 2005
Administrator Marion Blakey
Federal Aviation Administration
800 Independence Ave. S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20591
Dear Administrator Blakey:
I was extremely disappointed to learn that the Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA) is investigating the conduct of Jeremy Johnson, a
St. George, Utah, pilot who risked his life to help people stranded by
severe flooding this month in Utah.
Washington County experienced the worst flood in more than 100 years,
and literally dozens of lives were saved because Jeremy responded to
their call for help. He rescued a stranded family from harm, air-lifted
food to many others to sustain them until more help could arrive, and,
at the request of rescue workers, carried explosives to remove blockages
on the river that contributed to the flooding.
You can understand why I am upset to hear rumors that he may face fines
and even lose his license because he failed to follow proper FAA
protocol during this crisis. I would expect that you or anyone else in
Jeremy's case would have done whatever was in your power to help people
whose homes were washing away and whose lives were hanging in the
balance.
While I understand the well-intentioned reasons behind FAA rules, I
would expect those like Jeremy would be rewarded with appreciation and
recognition, not with fines and threats to remove their licenses. As
they say, "desperate times call for desperate measures" and
when local townspeople and authorities came to Jeremy with requests for
help, he responded in kind. For this, he should be applauded.
Given the extenuating circumstances surrounding the investigation of
Jeremy, I am requesting that you take a personal interest in this
investigation. I would be extremely disappointed to see Jeremy unjustly
punished by the FAA for his heroic actions.
I look forward to hearing from you on this important matter and learning
what the FAA can do to help Jeremy and the citizens of southern Utah
deal with the difficult task of recovering from such a devastating
flood.
Sincerely,
Orrin G. Hatch
United States Senator
Haven't heard if the FAA has responded to Senator Hatch yet, but my
guess is that they will.
__________________________________
http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
I am sure the FAA will respond. This letter left no room for discretion by
anyone. Good for sen. Hatch. There is some sense in D.C. after all.
Please keep us posted.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
>
> Hi all,
>
> I thought you might like a follow up as to what has been happening with
> Jeremy and his case with the FAA. Jeremy got a call from the Desert News
> last Friday asking him to comment on the letter Orrin Hatch had written
> to the FAA. Jeremy didn't know that Senator Hatch had written anything,
> so they emailed him a copy of the letter. Here's a copy of the letter
> the
> deseret news got ahold of from Senator Orrin Hatch to the administrator
> of the FAA:
>
> January 28, 2005
>
>
> Administrator Marion Blakey
> Federal Aviation Administration
> 800 Independence Ave. S.W.
> Washington, D.C. 20591
>
> Dear Administrator Blakey:
>
> I was extremely disappointed to learn that the Federal Aviation
> Administration (FAA) is investigating the conduct of Jeremy Johnson, a
> St. George, Utah, pilot who risked his life to help people stranded by
> severe flooding this month in Utah.
>
> Washington County experienced the worst flood in more than 100 years,
> and literally dozens of lives were saved because Jeremy responded to
> their call for help. He rescued a stranded family from harm, air-lifted
> food to many others to sustain them until more help could arrive, and,
> at the request of rescue workers, carried explosives to remove blockages
> on the river that contributed to the flooding.
>
> You can understand why I am upset to hear rumors that he may face fines
> and even lose his license because he failed to follow proper FAA
> protocol during this crisis. I would expect that you or anyone else in
> Jeremy's case would have done whatever was in your power to help people
> whose homes were washing away and whose lives were hanging in the
> balance.
>
> While I understand the well-intentioned reasons behind FAA rules, I
> would expect those like Jeremy would be rewarded with appreciation and
> recognition, not with fines and threats to remove their licenses. As
> they say, "desperate times call for desperate measures" and
> when local townspeople and authorities came to Jeremy with requests for
> help, he responded in kind. For this, he should be applauded.
>
> Given the extenuating circumstances surrounding the investigation of
> Jeremy, I am requesting that you take a personal interest in this
> investigation. I would be extremely disappointed to see Jeremy unjustly
> punished by the FAA for his heroic actions.
>
> I look forward to hearing from you on this important matter and learning
> what the FAA can do to help Jeremy and the citizens of southern Utah
> deal with the difficult task of recovering from such a devastating
> flood.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Orrin G. Hatch
> United States Senator
>
> Haven't heard if the FAA has responded to Senator Hatch yet, but my
> guess is that they will.
>
>
> __________________________________
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Commanderland,
After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless and
patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my best interests:
a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the airplane wasn't
finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in the butt to get
it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the airplane home for
me. THANKS JIM!
No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in I'll
be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hey John...
WOW...what a gorgeous bird..!! I really like the black treatment around the
windshield...makes it look like a turbine machine. I have been thinking
about a similar upgrade for my 680F, and would like to know the details of
your project...who did it, how much, how long...etc.
Congrats..!!! Bet you're one excited fellow. And kudos to JB for his
excellent assistance in the project.
Randy D.
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
Commanderland,
After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out the
pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless
and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in
the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the
airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in
I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
John,
This look really great! I think that I might get out a rattle can and copy
your windshield trim. It sure makes your bird look sleek! Congratulations!
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Hey John...
> WOW...what a gorgeous bird..!! I really like the black treatment around
the
> windshield...makes it look like a turbine machine. I have been thinking
> about a similar upgrade for my 680F, and would like to know the details of
> your project...who did it, how much, how long...etc.
>
> Congrats..!!! Bet you're one excited fellow. And kudos to JB for his
> excellent assistance in the project.
>
> Randy D.
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
>
> Commanderland,
>
> After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
the
> pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
>
> VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless
> and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
> best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
> airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them
in
> the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get
the
> airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
>
> No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in
> I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
>
> /John
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Congratulations, John. She is a thing of beauty.
I browsed around your site a bit. Hope you don't mind. That hillside next to
the house would look better with a strip on it, you know.
Very nice.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Commanderland,
>
> After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
>
> VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless
and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in
the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the
airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
>
> No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in
I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
>
> /John
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
John,
Checked out your website too...great family pictures..!! I recognize the
house site, with Bishop's Peak in the background. That's just around the
corner from me. Are we going to be seeing you permanently down here in
SLOtown..??
RD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
Congratulations, John. She is a thing of beauty.
I browsed around your site a bit. Hope you don't mind. That hillside next to
the house would look better with a strip on it, you know.
Very nice.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Commanderland,
>
> After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
>
> VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless
and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in
the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the
airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
>
> No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in
I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
>
> /John
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
JV, WOW, DOESN'T SHE LOOK NICE! HAPPY AND SAFE FLYING. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: She's HOME!
John,
Checked out your website too...great family pictures..!! I recognize the
house site, with Bishop's Peak in the background. That's just around the
corner from me. Are we going to be seeing you permanently down here in
SLOtown..??
RD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
Congratulations, John. She is a thing of beauty.
I browsed around your site a bit. Hope you don't mind. That hillside next to
the house would look better with a strip on it, you know.
Very nice.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>>
To: >
Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Commanderland,
>
> After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/>
>
> VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless
and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in
the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the
airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
>
> No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in
I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
>
> /John
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 02-Feb-05 16:48:49 Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> Checked out your website too...great family pictures..!! I recognize the
> house site, with Bishop's Peak in the background.
Ditto! You're between SLO and Los Osos, aren't you? One of my favorite
areas in the entire world.
Your Commander looks terrific.
Now, was that placed in it's parking spot via tug, or did JimBob really taxi
in right on the stripe? Tell the truth.
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
In a message dated 02-Feb-05 06:58:34 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Haven't heard if the FAA has responded to Senator Hatch yet, but my
> guess is that they will.
Count on it. Excellent development. Hatch isn't exactly a junior senator
and Blakely doesn't want to get on his bad side, if she's half smart.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Wow! Very pretty John.
Yours is the only one, I've seen, with the same nose as mine. It must be
the Morris Beenie.
Something is leaking onto the left tire from the left engine.:>)
bilob
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Commanderland,
>
> After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
> the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
>
> VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless
> and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
> best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
> airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them
> in the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to
> get the airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
>
> No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in
> I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
>
> /John
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
kg, tacky, tacky. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com<mailto:CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME
In a message dated 02-Feb-05 16:48:49 Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> Checked out your website too...great family pictures..!! I recognize the
> house site, with Bishop's Peak in the background.
Ditto! You're between SLO and Los Osos, aren't you? One of my favorite
areas in the entire world.
Your Commander looks terrific.
Now, was that placed in it's parking spot via tug, or did JimBob really taxi
in right on the stripe? Tell the truth.
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Yeah I really liked how the black bandito mask came out!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> John,
>
> This look really great! I think that I might get out a rattle can and
copy
> your windshield trim. It sure makes your bird look sleek!
Congratulations!
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
>
>
> >
> > Hey John...
> > WOW...what a gorgeous bird..!! I really like the black treatment around
> the
> > windshield...makes it look like a turbine machine. I have been thinking
> > about a similar upgrade for my 680F, and would like to know the details
of
> > your project...who did it, how much, how long...etc.
> >
> > Congrats..!!! Bet you're one excited fellow. And kudos to JB for his
> > excellent assistance in the project.
> >
> > Randy D.
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
> > Vormbaum
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
> >
> >
> >
> > Commanderland,
> >
> > After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
> the
> > pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
> >
> > VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a
tireless
> > and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for
my
> > best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
> > airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them
> in
> > the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get
> the
> > airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
> >
> > No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's
fly-in
> > I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hi Nico,
A lot of that information is old stuff....but I agree about the strip!
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Congratulations, John. She is a thing of beauty.
>
> I browsed around your site a bit. Hope you don't mind. That hillside next
to
> the house would look better with a strip on it, you know.
>
> Very nice.
>
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
>
> >
> > Commanderland,
> >
> > After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
> the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
> >
> > VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a
tireless
> and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
> best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
> airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them
in
> the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get
the
> airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
> >
> > No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's
fly-in
> I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Keith,
That bit of property belongs to my younger brother. They bought the land in
'99 and in Aug. of '04 they completed & moved into their house. SLO is one
of my favorite destinations. Randy D. is fortunate to live there!
As for the park job, what makes you think I'll tell a former "Golden Pedal
Award" winner the parking secrets of the pros ;-)?
Cheers,
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME
>
> In a message dated 02-Feb-05 16:48:49 Pacific Standard Time,
> rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
>
> > Checked out your website too...great family pictures..!! I recognize
the
> > house site, with Bishop's Peak in the background.
>
> Ditto! You're between SLO and Los Osos, aren't you? One of my favorite
> areas in the entire world.
>
> Your Commander looks terrific.
>
> Now, was that placed in it's parking spot via tug, or did JimBob really
taxi
> in right on the stripe? Tell the truth.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
LOL,
Bilbo,
That leak is heinous! I have a crack in the housing for the oil fiter on
that engine. I can't believe you noticed....if you hadn't, nobody would be
the wiser, as I've had the Airwolf remote-mounted filter kits waiting in
Morris' shop for the return of the airplane. By Saturday it will no longer
be an issue! (well.....THAT leak won't be an issue)
Thanks,
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> Wow! Very pretty John.
>
> Yours is the only one, I've seen, with the same nose as mine. It must be
> the Morris Beenie.
>
> Something is leaking onto the left tire from the left engine.:>)
>
> bilob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
>
> >
> > Commanderland,
> >
> > After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
> > the pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
> >
> > VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a
tireless
> > and patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for
my
> > best interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the
> > airplane wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them
> > in the butt to get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to
> > get the airplane home for me. THANKS JIM!
> >
> > No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's
fly-in
> > I'll be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi John!
Very nice-looking machine!
I've always liked the black surround to the cockpit area. It sort of makes a
"this is my office" statement.
It's akin to people who have a moustache. They think their nose is so important,
they underline it!!
Now, be sure and keep it in good shape for pride of place in the Fly-In line-up!
Very Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
|
| Commanderland,
|
| After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out the
pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
|
| VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless and
patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my best
interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the airplane
wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in the butt to
get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the airplane home
for me. THANKS JIM!
|
| No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in I'll
be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
|
| /John
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
>>It's akin to people who have a moustache. They think their nose is so
>>important, they underline it!!
You suppose that's why Hoover has a handlebar mustache????
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi John!
>
> Very nice-looking machine!
>
> I've always liked the black surround to the cockpit area. It sort of makes
> a
> "this is my office" statement.
>
> It's akin to people who have a moustache. They think their nose is so
> important,
> they underline it!!
>
> Now, be sure and keep it in good shape for pride of place in the Fly-In
> line-up!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry C.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
>
>
> |
> | Commanderland,
> |
> | After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out
> the
> pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
> |
> | VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a
> tireless and
> patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my
> best
> interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the airplane
> wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in the
> butt to
> get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the airplane
> home
> for me. THANKS JIM!
> |
> | No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's
> fly-in I'll
> be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
> |
> | /John
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day John,
Congratulations old mate!!
Great to see the new paint job/interior. Nice parking spot right at the base
of the tower.
Couldn't quite make out any champagne marks on the front tire, but a big
Ozzie toast coming your way...
Hey, well done for sticking to that 5 year business plan to bring it up to
scratch.
Cheers
Russell
On 3/2/05 9:25 AM, "John Vormbaum" wrote:
>
> Commanderland,
>
> After an extended wait, N353CC is back home in her new livery. Check out the
> pics at: http://www.vormbaum.com/sys-tmpl/thenewmoby/
>
> VERY SPECIAL THANKS need to go out to Captain Jimbob, for being a tireless and
> patient ferry pilot, and an even better friend for watching out for my best
> interests: a wasted trip....he flew out only to discover that the airplane
> wasn't finished, and wrote up a 65-squawk list, and kicked them in the butt to
> get it fixed. Then 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the airplane home
> for me. THANKS JIM!
>
> No more back-40 portion of the ramp for me anymore, at this year's fly-in I'll
> be looking for a front-row spot with the big boys!
>
> /John
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
I agree, Hatch is well known and I doubt Blakely wants to butt heads
with him. We also understand that Senator Bennett is or has written
Blakely a letter along the same lines as Hatch. Bennett as you probably
know is on the Transportation Board Appropriations Committee, so he has
direct financial oversight of the FAA. It should be interesting to see
how this all plays out.
Kerry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
In a message dated 02-Feb-05 06:58:34 Pacific Standard Time,
kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
> Haven't heard if the FAA has responded to Senator Hatch yet, but my
> guess is that they will.
Count on it. Excellent development. Hatch isn't exactly a junior
senator and Blakely doesn't want to get on his bad side, if she's half
smart.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
I guess this is the time Blakely wished this was just a quiet incident, huh?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
>
> I agree, Hatch is well known and I doubt Blakely wants to butt heads
> with him. We also understand that Senator Bennett is or has written
> Blakely a letter along the same lines as Hatch. Bennett as you probably
> know is on the Transportation Board Appropriations Committee, so he has
> direct financial oversight of the FAA. It should be interesting to see
> how this all plays out.
>
> Kerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
>
>
> In a message dated 02-Feb-05 06:58:34 Pacific Standard Time,
> kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
>
> > Haven't heard if the FAA has responded to Senator Hatch yet, but my
> > guess is that they will.
>
> Count on it. Excellent development. Hatch isn't exactly a junior
> senator and Blakely doesn't want to get on his bad side, if she's half
> smart.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> |
Dan-
I apologize if you (and everyone else) are getting this message again.
I've had trouble getting subscribed to the mailing list and not sure if
the original message went out - I got a number of kickbacks, but I'm at
least receiving traffic again.
Yes - we could use a set of props!
I'm new to the group. About a year ago, my father bought N2760B here in
Georgetown, Delaware (GED) and was doing a complete refurbishment to
her. Unfortunately, he passed away suddenly in November before he
finished the project. My family and I are pressing on with completing
Dad's project.
I've attached a couple of photos of where we are in the process.
Engines are due back from overhaul in the next week or so.
All we need are props and we've had one hell of a time trying to find a
decent set - w/o paying the $28K each! All help appreciated!
My mechanic is checking the numbers of what you have to make sure
they'll work - GO480 engines, so 99% sure they'd be OK. The props that
were originally on her were:
HC83X20-2C
But I understand those only have a 250 hr AD on them.
Please let me know if you still have (or if anyone else has a set) and
feel free to e-mail or call direct.
Matt Hawkins
hawkins(at)udel.edu
302-645-4341 (work)
302-424-1852 (home)
410-924-2472 (cell)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Stewart
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone need props?
-->
Hey Commanderland. Does anyone have need for a pair of practically new
props. They have only 30hours on them. These are the new MV shank
props from Hartzell that are direct replacements for the originals.
They are 3 bladed, 84 for the spline shaft engines, such as GO480B.
Model #: HC-A3MV20-2/MV8433N
These were the permanent solution to AD 97-18-02.
New ones are $28,870 each
I will part with these for much less.
If interested, reply directly to me to avoid unnecessary chatter on the
commander board.
Thanks,
Dan
********************
Matthew Hawkins
Director, Marine Ops
R/V Cape Henlopen
302-645-4341
FAX: 302-645-4006
hawkins(at)udel.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com> |
| Subject: | Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
That would be my guess and I'll bet she is wishing the field agent that
tattled on Jeremy was a bit less zealous.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
-->
I guess this is the time Blakely wished this was just a quiet incident,
huh?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
>
> I agree, Hatch is well known and I doubt Blakely wants to butt heads
> with him. We also understand that Senator Bennett is or has written
> Blakely a letter along the same lines as Hatch. Bennett as you
> probably know is on the Transportation Board Appropriations Committee,
> so he has direct financial oversight of the FAA. It should be
> interesting to see how this all plays out.
>
> Kerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
>
>
> In a message dated 02-Feb-05 06:58:34 Pacific Standard Time,
> kerry(at)kvelectric.com writes:
>
> > Haven't heard if the FAA has responded to Senator Hatch yet, but my
> > guess is that they will.
>
> Count on it. Excellent development. Hatch isn't exactly a junior
> senator and Blakely doesn't want to get on his bad side, if she's half
> smart.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
John;
A very nice looking Commander. I have my 560E done similar, except I swept
the strips up the tail. My interior is gray leather like yours, but my
inside window frames are not nearly as nice, did you get new ones or just
refurbish the old ones, beautiful and I know you are proud of it. A
beautiful lady is always an asset, all things considered.
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hi Don,
Honestly...I'm not sure! I didn't get a chance to really pick at the
interior yesterday. I *think* they just refurbished the existing window
frames, but you've made me curious. I'll let you know, after I take a closer
look.
I'm very pleased with the way the paint scheme came out. By not going up the
tail like most Commanders, I took a little risk. In the end I think it
accomplished my goal, which was to make the airplane look longer and
graceful. Should be good for 7 years or so!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: She's HOME!
>
> John;
>
> A very nice looking Commander. I have my 560E done similar, except I
swept
> the strips up the tail. My interior is gray leather like yours, but my
> inside window frames are not nearly as nice, did you get new ones or just
> refurbish the old ones, beautiful and I know you are proud of it. A
> beautiful lady is always an asset, all things considered.
>
> Don
>
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| Subject: | Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action |
Greetings Group,
Wouldn't this make a *great* SouthWest Airlines Ad? You know, where
someone finds themselves in an awkward situation -- the punchline is "Do
You Ever Just Want To Get Away?".
I know I would enjoy it...
Kind Regards,
David
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Kerry Johnson kerry(at)kvelectric.com
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:53:23 -0700
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
That would be my guess and I'll bet she is wishing the field agent that
tattled on Jeremy was a bit less zealous.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Jeremy Johnson & FAA Action
-->
I guess this is the time Blakely wished this was just a quiet incident,
huh?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
I came across this piece of interesting email just now. Does anyone know
anything about this?
Nico
I have purchased a vertical card compass at an aircraft
salvage yard. On the compass is a note which states "this compass is
CUSTOM
MODIFIED for Mr. Gordon Pugh for his Mooney Mite. All headings are 180
degrees
off". I was told by the salvage yard that Mr Pugh modified the compass for
use on a flight to the North Pole, and that it would be more (????)
accurate
reading opposite. I just typed "Gordon Pugh" into Google Search engine,
and
it returned an article about a Mr. Pugh's Flight to Alaska. It further
stated
that the Mooney Mite (337M) is missing or unaccounted for. I know where
the
airplane was and would like to contact Gordon. The Alaska Story had him
living in New England, problably New Hampshire. I think he would be about
70 to
75 years of age. My limited search of FAA records doesn't show current
pilots certificate. That's about all I know. Can some of you computer
geeks
find him? Or can anyone forward this to a pilot/Mooney fan/adventurer/etc.
who
might know him. He doesn't owe me any money, I just think he might enjoy
knowing where his airplane is/was located. Sorry, this is not more Rocket
related, but thanks for the help.
Les Featherston
417-466-4663h or 417-425-3595c
Morocketman(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I flew a Bell 212 helicopter in the high Arctic in the winter time in the
70's. We used stars and VLF Omega for position information. In the summer
when the sum actually made an appearance we took sun shots using our HF
radio for GMT reference.
I really would like to hear how a magnetic compass would work offset to
anything as I was both North and South of the magnetic North pole.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
> Folks,
>
> I came across this piece of interesting email just now. Does anyone know
> anything about this?
>
> Nico
>
>
> I have purchased a vertical card compass at an aircraft
> salvage yard. On the compass is a note which states "this compass is
> CUSTOM
> MODIFIED for Mr. Gordon Pugh for his Mooney Mite. All headings are 180
> degrees
> off". I was told by the salvage yard that Mr Pugh modified the compass
for
> use on a flight to the North Pole, and that it would be more (????)
> accurate
> reading opposite. I just typed "Gordon Pugh" into Google Search engine,
> and
> it returned an article about a Mr. Pugh's Flight to Alaska. It further
> stated
> that the Mooney Mite (337M) is missing or unaccounted for. I know where
> the
> airplane was and would like to contact Gordon. The Alaska Story had him
> living in New England, problably New Hampshire. I think he would be
about
> 70 to
> 75 years of age. My limited search of FAA records doesn't show current
> pilots certificate. That's about all I know. Can some of you computer
> geeks
> find him? Or can anyone forward this to a pilot/Mooney
fan/adventurer/etc.
> who
> might know him. He doesn't owe me any money, I just think he might enjoy
> knowing where his airplane is/was located. Sorry, this is not more
Rocket
> related, but thanks for the help.
>
> Les Featherston
> 417-466-4663h or 417-425-3595c
>
> Morocketman(at)aol.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
If you used Omega you're lucky to have made it home. What a piece of junk.
The worst thing was an instalation where there were two of them. They NEVER
agreed. I figured it there was only one, you just wouldn't know whether it
was right or not, and would just go on.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
>
> I flew a Bell 212 helicopter in the high Arctic in the winter time in the
> 70's. We used stars and VLF Omega for position information. In the summer
> when the sum actually made an appearance we took sun shots using our HF
> radio for GMT reference.
> I really would like to hear how a magnetic compass would work offset to
> anything as I was both North and South of the magnetic North pole.
> Tom F.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
>
>
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I came across this piece of interesting email just now. Does anyone know
>> anything about this?
>>
>> Nico
>>
>>
>> I have purchased a vertical card compass at an aircraft
>> salvage yard. On the compass is a note which states "this compass is
>> CUSTOM
>> MODIFIED for Mr. Gordon Pugh for his Mooney Mite. All headings are 180
>> degrees
>> off". I was told by the salvage yard that Mr Pugh modified the compass
> for
>> use on a flight to the North Pole, and that it would be more (????)
>> accurate
>> reading opposite. I just typed "Gordon Pugh" into Google Search engine,
>> and
>> it returned an article about a Mr. Pugh's Flight to Alaska. It further
>> stated
>> that the Mooney Mite (337M) is missing or unaccounted for. I know where
>> the
>> airplane was and would like to contact Gordon. The Alaska Story had him
>> living in New England, problably New Hampshire. I think he would be
> about
>> 70 to
>> 75 years of age. My limited search of FAA records doesn't show current
>> pilots certificate. That's about all I know. Can some of you computer
>> geeks
>> find him? Or can anyone forward this to a pilot/Mooney
> fan/adventurer/etc.
>> who
>> might know him. He doesn't owe me any money, I just think he might
>> enjoy
>> knowing where his airplane is/was located. Sorry, this is not more
> Rocket
>> related, but thanks for the help.
>>
>> Les Featherston
>> 417-466-4663h or 417-425-3595c
>>
>> Morocketman(at)aol.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> |
Matt,
I am asking only $9K more for the whole flying plane($45K) then for just the props
($36K). She was last flown in the end of 02. I regulary run the plane up
and cycle the props. The plane is flyable and was flown till my anual expiered.
The plane had nothing notibly wronge with her and could be annualled or ferry
permitted to move her. Engines run well and have high compression tests.
All new glass and opening pilot/copilot windows, new exhast all around, rebuilt
carb, rebuilt engine mount, surface corrostion was removed and treated, new
spin on oil filtration system installed, new interiour 50% complete. Many hydrolic
lines replaced. New brake lines and brake pads, New accumulater bladder
and filter. Needless to say the last annual in Nov 01 was pretty thorough.
I currently have a couple persons dwelling on the plane, so I will give them 2
weeks to decide. If they don't take her then the props are yours. If you are
interested in the whole plane, let me know.
I have a call in to my mechanic and will let you know the cost of removing/crating
the props.
Yes, I have 11 top assemblies for $800, each is lubricated and sealed in a 5 gallon
bucket with desecant and humitity monitors. They come with complete gasket
sets.
Yes, my 6 older blades clamps and hubs may have a recurring AD inspection on them.
They are tagged "servicable".
Regards, Dan
"Matthew J. Hawkins" wrote:
Dan-
That's too bad - a paint job is a easy thing to fix! What were you asking for
the whole plane? Just curious.
How long has your plane been sitting? You mentioned only 30 hours on the props
- just trying to get an idea of when they were last spun around.
Just talked with my mechanic and (as you would guess), he'd prefer another mechanic
to do the removal. Plus (like you say) he could crate them properly and
direct ship them out to our prop shop.
Happy to pay for those costs. Could you get an estimate from your mechanic to
remove, crate, and ship?
Saw in one of your previous e-mails that you're asking $800 each for the cylinder
assemblies - that price still good? We may be interested.
I take it the 6 original prop blades you mention are the ones with the 250 hr AD?
Thanks,
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Stewart [mailto:dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props
The props are still on my 560. Was trying to sell the whole plane, but because
the plane needs paint badly, knowone wants to buy it.
Would you want me to remove the props or have a mechanic do it. You would need
to pay for the mechanics fees. The mechanic could arange direct shippment to
your prop shop in PA. We are in Wattsonville CA.
Do you know anyone who would want any other part of this 560. I also have 11 rebuilt
cylinder assemblies sealled for spares.
Dan
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Sounds like the old saying, "a man with one watch knows what time it is. A
man with two isn't quite sure."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
> If you used Omega you're lucky to have made it home. What a piece of
junk.
> The worst thing was an instalation where there were two of them. They
NEVER
> agreed. I figured it there was only one, you just wouldn't know whether
it
> was right or not, and would just go on.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
>
> >
> >
> > I flew a Bell 212 helicopter in the high Arctic in the winter time in
the
> > 70's. We used stars and VLF Omega for position information. In the
summer
> > when the sum actually made an appearance we took sun shots using our HF
> > radio for GMT reference.
> > I really would like to hear how a magnetic compass would work offset to
> > anything as I was both North and South of the magnetic North pole.
> > Tom F.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> I came across this piece of interesting email just now. Does anyone
know
> >> anything about this?
> >>
> >> Nico
> >>
> >>
> >> I have purchased a vertical card compass at an aircraft
> >> salvage yard. On the compass is a note which states "this compass is
> >> CUSTOM
> >> MODIFIED for Mr. Gordon Pugh for his Mooney Mite. All headings are
180
> >> degrees
> >> off". I was told by the salvage yard that Mr Pugh modified the
compass
> > for
> >> use on a flight to the North Pole, and that it would be more (????)
> >> accurate
> >> reading opposite. I just typed "Gordon Pugh" into Google Search
engine,
> >> and
> >> it returned an article about a Mr. Pugh's Flight to Alaska. It
further
> >> stated
> >> that the Mooney Mite (337M) is missing or unaccounted for. I know
where
> >> the
> >> airplane was and would like to contact Gordon. The Alaska Story had
him
> >> living in New England, problably New Hampshire. I think he would be
> > about
> >> 70 to
> >> 75 years of age. My limited search of FAA records doesn't show
current
> >> pilots certificate. That's about all I know. Can some of you
computer
> >> geeks
> >> find him? Or can anyone forward this to a pilot/Mooney
> > fan/adventurer/etc.
> >> who
> >> might know him. He doesn't owe me any money, I just think he might
> >> enjoy
> >> knowing where his airplane is/was located. Sorry, this is not more
> > Rocket
> >> related, but thanks for the help.
> >>
> >> Les Featherston
> >> 417-466-4663h or 417-425-3595c
> >>
> >> Morocketman(at)aol.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
EXACTLY!
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
> Sounds like the old saying, "a man with one watch knows what time it is. A
> man with two isn't quite sure."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
>
>>
>> If you used Omega you're lucky to have made it home. What a piece of
> junk.
>> The worst thing was an instalation where there were two of them. They
> NEVER
>> agreed. I figured it there was only one, you just wouldn't know whether
> it
>> was right or not, and would just go on.
>>
>> bilbo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I flew a Bell 212 helicopter in the high Arctic in the winter time in
> the
>> > 70's. We used stars and VLF Omega for position information. In the
> summer
>> > when the sum actually made an appearance we took sun shots using our HF
>> > radio for GMT reference.
>> > I really would like to hear how a magnetic compass would work offset to
>> > anything as I was both North and South of the magnetic North pole.
>> > Tom F.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
>> > To:
>> > Subject: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Folks,
>> >>
>> >> I came across this piece of interesting email just now. Does anyone
> know
>> >> anything about this?
>> >>
>> >> Nico
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have purchased a vertical card compass at an aircraft
>> >> salvage yard. On the compass is a note which states "this compass is
>> >> CUSTOM
>> >> MODIFIED for Mr. Gordon Pugh for his Mooney Mite. All headings are
> 180
>> >> degrees
>> >> off". I was told by the salvage yard that Mr Pugh modified the
> compass
>> > for
>> >> use on a flight to the North Pole, and that it would be more (????)
>> >> accurate
>> >> reading opposite. I just typed "Gordon Pugh" into Google Search
> engine,
>> >> and
>> >> it returned an article about a Mr. Pugh's Flight to Alaska. It
> further
>> >> stated
>> >> that the Mooney Mite (337M) is missing or unaccounted for. I know
> where
>> >> the
>> >> airplane was and would like to contact Gordon. The Alaska Story had
> him
>> >> living in New England, problably New Hampshire. I think he would be
>> > about
>> >> 70 to
>> >> 75 years of age. My limited search of FAA records doesn't show
> current
>> >> pilots certificate. That's about all I know. Can some of you
> computer
>> >> geeks
>> >> find him? Or can anyone forward this to a pilot/Mooney
>> > fan/adventurer/etc.
>> >> who
>> >> might know him. He doesn't owe me any money, I just think he might
>> >> enjoy
>> >> knowing where his airplane is/was located. Sorry, this is not more
>> > Rocket
>> >> related, but thanks for the help.
>> >>
>> >> Les Featherston
>> >> 417-466-4663h or 417-425-3595c
>> >>
>> >> Morocketman(at)aol.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Not only that, every time we landed or took off the snow crystals from the
down wash would wipe out all the signals, it was fun.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
> If you used Omega you're lucky to have made it home. What a piece of
junk.
> The worst thing was an instalation where there were two of them. They
NEVER
> agreed. I figured it there was only one, you just wouldn't know whether
it
> was right or not, and would just go on.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
>
>
> >
> >
> > I flew a Bell 212 helicopter in the high Arctic in the winter time in
the
> > 70's. We used stars and VLF Omega for position information. In the
summer
> > when the sum actually made an appearance we took sun shots using our HF
> > radio for GMT reference.
> > I really would like to hear how a magnetic compass would work offset to
> > anything as I was both North and South of the magnetic North pole.
> > Tom F.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Lost Pilot?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> I came across this piece of interesting email just now. Does anyone
know
> >> anything about this?
> >>
> >> Nico
> >>
> >>
> >> I have purchased a vertical card compass at an aircraft
> >> salvage yard. On the compass is a note which states "this compass is
> >> CUSTOM
> >> MODIFIED for Mr. Gordon Pugh for his Mooney Mite. All headings are
180
> >> degrees
> >> off". I was told by the salvage yard that Mr Pugh modified the
compass
> > for
> >> use on a flight to the North Pole, and that it would be more (????)
> >> accurate
> >> reading opposite. I just typed "Gordon Pugh" into Google Search
engine,
> >> and
> >> it returned an article about a Mr. Pugh's Flight to Alaska. It
further
> >> stated
> >> that the Mooney Mite (337M) is missing or unaccounted for. I know
where
> >> the
> >> airplane was and would like to contact Gordon. The Alaska Story had
him
> >> living in New England, problably New Hampshire. I think he would be
> > about
> >> 70 to
> >> 75 years of age. My limited search of FAA records doesn't show
current
> >> pilots certificate. That's about all I know. Can some of you
computer
> >> geeks
> >> find him? Or can anyone forward this to a pilot/Mooney
> > fan/adventurer/etc.
> >> who
> >> might know him. He doesn't owe me any money, I just think he might
> >> enjoy
> >> knowing where his airplane is/was located. Sorry, this is not more
> > Rocket
> >> related, but thanks for the help.
> >>
> >> Les Featherston
> >> 417-466-4663h or 417-425-3595c
> >>
> >> Morocketman(at)aol.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander |
Jim, can you accept high res pictures (do you have high speed connection)?
Dan
JBOBSTER(at)aol.com wrote:
I llove to buy airplanes with bad paint......
please send pics to this e-mail address and /or call me!
Jim Carroll
Seattle WA
206 623 3720
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> |
Dan-
Thanks for the info. If your plane sells, what would you want for the 6
blades and hubs?
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Stewart
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props
-->
Yes, my 6 older blades clamps and hubs may have a recurring AD
inspection on them. They are tagged "servicable".
Regards, Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Steve,
As promised, I've now extracted the history of your Model 500 N6291B and the
Model 720 N401E from my database and have attached them as .XLS files. Both are
ready to be printed out on 'Letter' format paper.
With regard to the date suffix letters:
"S" - indicates the Bill of Sale date
"A" - indicates the Application for Registration date, where the Bill of Sale is
undated, or the owner moves to a new location.
Unusually, both these Commanders retained their original ex-factory 'N' numbers!
With regard to N6291B:
(1) - Does anything in the paperwork or log books throw any light on the
propellers quoted in August 1983? What props were actually on the aircraft at
that time and when were they actually installed?
(2) - When were the winglets signed-off as being installed?
Kindest Regards,
Barry Collman
Aero Commander historian (UK)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> |
lets say 8K for the lot (blades, hubs and clamps), plus shipping. They are disassembled.
Dan
"Matthew J. Hawkins" wrote:
Dan-
Thanks for the info. If your plane sells, what would you want for the 6
blades and hubs?
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel
Stewart
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props
-->
Yes, my 6 older blades clamps and hubs may have a recurring AD
inspection on them. They are tagged "servicable".
Regards, Dan
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Moe Mills I need to talk with you. |
Moe,
I misplaced your cell phone number and I want to give you an update on the
crossing. Private email me if you'd like at kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net or
call me at 859-992-6920 to discuss.
Kevin Coons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Steve,
As promised, I've now extracted the history of your Model 500 N6291B and the
Model 720 N401E from my database and have attached them as .XLS files. Both
are
ready to be printed out on 'Letter' format paper.
With regard to the date suffix letters:
"S" - indicates the Bill of Sale date
"A" - indicates the Application for Registration date, where the Bill of
Sale is
undated, or the owner moves to a new location.
Unusually, both these Commanders retained their original ex-factory 'N'
numbers!
With regard to N6291B:
(1) - Does anything in the paperwork or log books throw any light on the
propellers quoted in August 1983? What props were actually on the aircraft
at
that time and when were they actually installed?
(2) - When were the winglets signed-off as being installed?
Kindest Regards,
Barry Collman
Aero Commander historian (UK)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E |
Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in Lexington,
Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine, Audie
Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race horses
during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished, with
yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar, it
was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it is
alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Barry, another piece of data for you, the above.......ALL MINE, (well, part
of it is the banks).
Currently registered as C-GISS, delivery in two weeks.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
>
> Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in
Lexington,
> Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine,
Audie
> Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race
horses
> during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished,
with
> yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar,
it
> was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it
is
> alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
>>
>>Melton flew 401E ...it was highly polished
There used to be two absolutely incredible polished Commander 520s
around. Onn was owned by a guy who owned a metal polish company in CA I
think. It has gold trim all over. The other was from arizona if I
remember correctly and had black trim. Anyone seen those birds lately?
Are they owned by TCFG members? On the list?
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | John's "New" Commander |
John,
My daughter goes to school at Cal Poly. While I was still living in Bethel
Island CA, I used to regularly fly into SLO to visit her in my Cardinal RG.
What a wonderful area that it. I've seen your plane on the ramp many times.
I can't wait to see the new version in person on my next visit. Do you have
it hangared now that you have new paint?
Since I sold my Cardinal a couple of months ago, I guess I'll just have to
make the flight in my 500B! Tough life. I now live at my place in Darby
Montana, so it will be a little longer flight. I just (finally) got all the
bugs worked out with the avionics shop in Missoula Montana for all my new
avionics. There are just a couple of items left to work out with the Merlyn
conversion, then I will finally be able to do some real flying. I, too, need
paint and interior. That is why it was fun looking over your photos. That
might have to wait for a couple of years though while I rebuild the airplane
kitty.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 05-Feb-05 09:18:44 Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net
writes:
> The other was from arizona if I remember correctly and had black trim.
It's been 7+ years, but there was a polished AC-520 with black trim based at
Salinas, California (KSNS) for a while, then it migrated to Watsonville
(KWVI).
I don't get out that way more than once or twice a year now, so don't know if
it's still around.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/2/2005 3:58:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
n 10 days later he repeated the trip to get the airplane home for me. THANKS
JIM!
You are most welcome!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | John's "New" Commander |
Good morning Commanderland,
When I hear mention of Cal Poly and SLO, I can't resist chiming in. I came
down to SLO in 1967 as a freshman architecture student at Cal Poly...and,
never left. Learned to fly in 1975 at SBP, first airplane - a Commanche
250, and now my wonderful 680F parked at the base of the tower. After 37
years, I still pinch myself to remind me what a great place this is to live
and work.
Anytime you guys are in town, please give me a call to say hello, or leave a
note on my airplane. BTW, we now have 3 Commanders on the field - 2-500B's
and my 680F...oh yes, and a 690A.
Have a great weekend...and happy flying..!!
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry
Wokral
Subject: Commander-List: John's "New" Commander
John,
My daughter goes to school at Cal Poly. While I was still living in Bethel
Island CA, I used to regularly fly into SLO to visit her in my Cardinal RG.
What a wonderful area that it. I've seen your plane on the ramp many times.
I can't wait to see the new version in person on my next visit. Do you have
it hangared now that you have new paint?
Since I sold my Cardinal a couple of months ago, I guess I'll just have to
make the flight in my 500B! Tough life. I now live at my place in Darby
Montana, so it will be a little longer flight. I just (finally) got all the
bugs worked out with the avionics shop in Missoula Montana for all my new
avionics. There are just a couple of items left to work out with the Merlyn
conversion, then I will finally be able to do some real flying. I, too, need
paint and interior. That is why it was fun looking over your photos. That
might have to wait for a couple of years though while I rebuild the airplane
kitty.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> It's been 7+ years, but there was a polished AC-520 with black trim based at
> Salinas, California (KSNS) for a while, then it migrated to Watsonville
> (KWVI).
Thanks Keith. At one time (even before you introduced Barry to me), I
was well on my way to collecting a picture of every bathtub Commander.
I've been digging back through my email archives and found a fuzzy
picture of the one I was thinking of. It's N2600B and (as of 7 years
ago), was owned by a Jeff Griffon. He mentioned that he'd moved from CA
to AZ.
The really beautiful one with the 24kt gold trim was N19KD and was at
Corona, CA as of 3 years ago. Owned by a Gregory Barry.
I'm having a lot of fun digging back through the thousands of emails
people have sent me. Gives me a great opportunity to poke a bit of fun
at Mr Vormbaum though.... from 5 years ago to the day:
==============
"Chris,
You might remember me, I tried to rescue an old 560A(HC) that was slowly
dissolving on Catalina Island
Incidentally, I'm going to send you some pictures shortly, when the
paint's finished. I finally did purchase a 1962 500-B, s/n 1230. I feel
like a kid on Christmas day....
Best regards,
John
"
====================
Hey John - that paint job took longer than expected??? :-)
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E |
In a message dated 2/5/2005 9:44:32 AM Central Standard Time,
COMMANDER560(at)cs.com writes:
> Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in Lexington,
>
> Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine,
> Audie
> Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race horses
> during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished,
> with
> yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar, it
> was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it is
> alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
Joe,
I applied that paint and polish and interior, and am still on the U.S.
registry as half owner of 401E. Unfortunately, she was parted out in the mid 90's
in
california.....Rob Munro
N6291B
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E |
Hi Joe,
I see that N401E was sold to Mr A B Hancock Jr., of Paris, Kentucky on November
19th 1964, so assume this is the 'Bull' Hancock you refer to.
It was last noted in September 1995 with Desert Aircraft Salvage, in Artesia,
New Mexico.
Thanks for the info, which was most welcome. Are you able to recall whether it
had a nose radome with the RCA AVQ-50 radar?
Lastly, I don't suppose you have a photo of t, do you?
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
|
| Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in Lexington,
| Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job. A good friend of mine,
Audie
| Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race horses
| during the time I was there 2 and one half years. It was highly polished, with
| yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar, it
| was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it is
| alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Tom,
Nice one!
I'm so pleased you managed to get what you set out to get some while ago. A
680FLP with the MR. RPM modification.
Well done Sir!
Could it well appear in California next September?
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
|
| Barry, another piece of data for you, the above.......ALL MINE, (well, part
| of it is the banks).
| Currently registered as C-GISS, delivery in two weeks.
| Tom F.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
|
|
| >
| > Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in
| Lexington,
| > Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of mine,
| Audie
| > Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race
| horses
| > during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly polished,
| with
| > yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50 radar,
| it
| > was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if it
| is
| > alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
If the $$ support the trip it's a date.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Nice one!
>
> I'm so pleased you managed to get what you set out to get some while ago.
A
> 680FLP with the MR. RPM modification.
>
> Well done Sir!
>
> Could it well appear in California next September?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
>
>
>
> |
> | Barry, another piece of data for you, the above.......ALL MINE, (well,
part
> | of it is the banks).
> | Currently registered as C-GISS, delivery in two weeks.
> | Tom F.
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
> |
> |
> | >
> | > Sir Barry, A bit of info for you, I was flying a 680E, N136K, in
> | Lexington,
> | > Ky in 1968, right before I went to my airline job, a good friend of
mine,
> | Audie
> | > Melton flew 401E for Mr. Bull Hancock, of Clairbourne Farm, ie, race
> | horses
> | > during the time I was there 2 and one half years, it was highly
polished,
> | with
> | > yellow and black trim, and a white leather interior, a RCA avq 50
radar,
> | it
> | > was a beautiful commander, new engines every 800 hours. Do we know if
it
> | is
> | > alive now? Regards, Joe Shepherd
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E/photo |
In a message dated 2/5/2005 2:05:50 PM Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> Thanks for the info, which was most welcome. Are you able to recall whether
> it
> had a nose radome with the RCA AVQ-50 radar?
>
> Lastly, I don't suppose you have a photo of t, do you?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
Hi, Barry
When I get back next week, I'll send you a photo of her after I painted her
in Virginia in 1982..........she had the radar nose.
Rob Munro
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Commander Junkyard |
Can anyone help Peter with this?
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hawkins" <PeterHawkins(at)greeneking.co.uk>
Subject: Commander Junkyard
> Dear Nico,
>
> I hope you don't mind me getting in touch but I have been trying to
research
> the crash of Aero Commander N6362U in Greenland on 14/08/1967 and found
your
> email "Commander Junkyard"on the internet. My grandfather Raymond
Hawkins
> was the pilot of N6362U on that day and is still with the aircraft, the
> other members of the crew were rescued.
>
> Have you any information or contacts that could help me understand what
> happened, who the other members of the crew were, the location of the
> aircraft?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Peter Hawkins
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
Barry, No, I do not have a photo, wish I had one as I was good friends with
Audie Melton, the pilot. He passed a few years ago, the nose had that radome
that had the snout look, forget what they called that one. Talk to you later.
Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
OUch! Yeah, I guess it took a little longer than expected ;-).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: s/n:1497-15
>
>
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> > It's been 7+ years, but there was a polished AC-520 with black trim
based at
> > Salinas, California (KSNS) for a while, then it migrated to Watsonville
> > (KWVI).
>
> Thanks Keith. At one time (even before you introduced Barry to me), I
> was well on my way to collecting a picture of every bathtub Commander.
> I've been digging back through my email archives and found a fuzzy
> picture of the one I was thinking of. It's N2600B and (as of 7 years
> ago), was owned by a Jeff Griffon. He mentioned that he'd moved from CA
> to AZ.
>
> The really beautiful one with the 24kt gold trim was N19KD and was at
> Corona, CA as of 3 years ago. Owned by a Gregory Barry.
>
> I'm having a lot of fun digging back through the thousands of emails
> people have sent me. Gives me a great opportunity to poke a bit of fun
> at Mr Vormbaum though.... from 5 years ago to the day:
>
> ==============
> "Chris,
>
> You might remember me, I tried to rescue an old 560A(HC) that was slowly
> dissolving on Catalina Island
>
> Incidentally, I'm going to send you some pictures shortly, when the
> paint's finished. I finally did purchase a 1962 500-B, s/n 1230. I feel
> like a kid on Christmas day....
>
> Best regards,
>
> John
> "
> ====================
>
>
> Hey John - that paint job took longer than expected??? :-)
>
> Chris
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Commander Junkyard |
Hi All,
Peter has contacted me regarding N6362U. The accident report was prepared under
the jurisdiction of the Danish Government and I'm trying to obtain a copy of it
through Air-Britain's Specialist on aviation in that country.
Best Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Commander Junkyard
|
| Can anyone help Peter with this?
| Thanks
| Nico
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Peter Hawkins" <PeterHawkins(at)greeneking.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Commander Junkyard
|
|
| > Dear Nico,
| >
| > I hope you don't mind me getting in touch but I have been trying to
| research
| > the crash of Aero Commander N6362U in Greenland on 14/08/1967 and found
| your
| > email "Commander Junkyard"on the internet. My grandfather Raymond
| Hawkins
| > was the pilot of N6362U on that day and is still with the aircraft, the
| > other members of the crew were rescued.
| >
| > Have you any information or contacts that could help me understand what
| > happened, who the other members of the crew were, the location of the
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| Subject: | Re: N6291B & N401E/photo |
Thanks Rob! I haven't got any photographic coverage of N401E at all, so a copy
will be of great interest.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E/photo
|
| In a message dated 2/5/2005 2:05:50 PM Central Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
| > Thanks for the info, which was most welcome. Are you able to recall whether
| > it
| > had a nose radome with the RCA AVQ-50 radar?
| >
| > Lastly, I don't suppose you have a photo of t, do you?
| >
| > Kindest Regards,
| > Barry
| Hi, Barry
| When I get back next week, I'll send you a photo of her after I painted her
| in Virginia in 1982..........she had the radar nose.
| Rob Munro
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
"Commander e-mail list" ,
"Craig Lundborg"
>Wow Larry,
All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of the
finest examples of a piston commander.
What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was thinking
Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
MFD...>
Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80 (approved
as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn 320
conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo intercom
(with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched or
shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table and
one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as primary
replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available scanning
options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I already
had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the secondary
radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330 are
mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within the
normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required. The
PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the E.I.
dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges are
in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across the
top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an Electro
luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main bus
and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings around
all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and older
DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and trim
indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We also
prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather links
where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to imagine
all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A lot
of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new harness
designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc. as
is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional row
of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance. Because
the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two 70
amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run a
larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
Regulator too.
I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn 320
conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual 115
cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the starboard
side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm broke,
eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for now.
The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to what
the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead panel
and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows. During
the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I previously
had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb. "light
weight" area.
The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with tip
strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered "entertainment
center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the aft
facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm also
considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70 gallons
with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight only
to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This increase
would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital roll
steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to get
back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to rationalize
this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can: with
the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with the
added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of an
Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would be
nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
(cool air has the
capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling of
16,000'. I'm jazzed!
Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was installed,
so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
I've learned to enjoy chicken pot pies and have found a grilled cheese
sandwich is a nice change for about the same price. It all turns into the
same thing anyway.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
; "Craig Lundborg"
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>
>
>>Wow Larry,
>
> All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of the
> finest examples of a piston commander.
>
> What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was thinking
> Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
> MFD...>
>
> Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
>
> I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
> GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
> flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
> (approved
> as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn 320
> conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
> intercom
> (with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched or
> shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
> player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
> and
> one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
> inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
> Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
> primary
> replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
> scanning
> options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
> already
> had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
> secondary
> radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
> are
> mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within the
> normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
> The
> PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
> those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
> vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the E.I.
> dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
> are
> in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
> the
> top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an Electro
> luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
> bus
> and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
> around
> all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
> backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
> copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and older
> DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
> trim
> indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We also
> prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
> links
> where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
> imagine
> all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
>
> There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
> lot
> of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new harness
> designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
> long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
> custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc. as
> is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
> attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional row
> of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
> wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance. Because
> the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
> 70
> amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run a
> larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
> Regulator too.
>
> I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn 320
> conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual 115
> cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
> starboard
> side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm broke,
> eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
>
> The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for now.
> The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
> what
> the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
> panel
> and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
> cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
> square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows. During
> the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
> previously
> had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb. "light
> weight" area.
>
> The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with tip
> strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
> crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered "entertainment
> center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the aft
> facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
> droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
> system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
> good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
> also
> considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70 gallons
> with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
> only
> to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
> increase
> would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
> nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital roll
> steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
>
> Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to get
> back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to rationalize
> this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can: with
> the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with the
> added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
> an
> Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
> be
> nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
> cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
> just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
> (cool air has the
> capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
> of
> 16,000'. I'm jazzed!
>
> Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was installed,
> so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
>
> Larry Wokral
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com> |
Larry:
Can you post [or send] some photos of your new panel? I'm going to be
moving some things around at some point and would like to see what
worked for you.
thanks,
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Wokral [mailto:l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com]
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>Wow Larry,
All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of
the
finest examples of a piston commander.
What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was
thinking
Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
MFD...>
Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
(approved
as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn
320
conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
intercom
(with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched
or
shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
and
one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
primary
replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
scanning
options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
already
had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
secondary
radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
are
mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within
the
normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
The
PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the
E.I.
dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
are
in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
the
top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an
Electro
luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
bus
and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
around
all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and
older
DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
trim
indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We
also
prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
links
where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
imagine
all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
lot
of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new
harness
designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc.
as
is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional
row
of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance.
Because
the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
70
amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run
a
larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
Regulator too.
I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn
320
conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual
115
cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
starboard
side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm
broke,
eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for
now.
The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
what
the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
panel
and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows.
During
the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
previously
had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb.
"light
weight" area.
The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with
tip
strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered
"entertainment
center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the
aft
facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
also
considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70
gallons
with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
only
to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
increase
would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital
roll
steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to
get
back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to
rationalize
this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can:
with
the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with
the
added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
an
Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
be
nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
(cool air has the
capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
of
16,000'. I'm jazzed!
Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was
installed,
so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
The problem is having caviar taste on a grilled cheese diet...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>
> I've learned to enjoy chicken pot pies and have found a grilled cheese
> sandwich is a nice change for about the same price. It all turns into the
> same thing anyway.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
> To: ; "Commander e-mail list"
> ; "Craig Lundborg"
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>
>
> >
> >
> >>Wow Larry,
> >
> > All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of
the
> > finest examples of a piston commander.
> >
> > What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was
thinking
> > Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
> > MFD...>
> >
> > Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
> >
> > I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
> > GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
> > flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
> > (approved
> > as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn
320
> > conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
> > intercom
> > (with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched
or
> > shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
> > player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
> > and
> > one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
> > inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
> > Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
> > primary
> > replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
> > scanning
> > options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
> > already
> > had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
> > secondary
> > radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
> > are
> > mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within
the
> > normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
> > The
> > PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
> > those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
> > vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the
E.I.
> > dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
> > are
> > in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
> > the
> > top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an
Electro
> > luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
> > bus
> > and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
> > around
> > all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
> > backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
> > copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and
older
> > DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
> > trim
> > indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We
also
> > prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
> > links
> > where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
> > imagine
> > all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
> >
> > There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
> > lot
> > of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new
harness
> > designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
> > long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
> > custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc.
as
> > is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
> > attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional
row
> > of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
> > wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance.
Because
> > the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
> > 70
> > amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run
a
> > larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
> > Regulator too.
> >
> > I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn
320
> > conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual
115
> > cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
> > starboard
> > side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm
broke,
> > eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
> >
> > The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for
now.
> > The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
> > what
> > the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
> > panel
> > and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
> > cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
> > square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows.
During
> > the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
> > previously
> > had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb.
"light
> > weight" area.
> >
> > The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with
tip
> > strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
> > crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered
"entertainment
> > center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the
aft
> > facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
> > droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
> > system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
> > good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
> > also
> > considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70
gallons
> > with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
> > only
> > to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
> > increase
> > would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
> > nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital
roll
> > steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
> >
> > Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to
get
> > back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to
rationalize
> > this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can:
with
> > the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with
the
> > added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
> > an
> > Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
> > be
> > nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
> > cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
> > just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
> > (cool air has the
> > capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
> > of
> > 16,000'. I'm jazzed!
> >
> > Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was
installed,
> > so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
> >
> > Larry Wokral
> >
> >
> >
>
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
John Vormbaum wrote:
> The problem is having caviar taste on a grilled cheese diet...
I thought was was generally refered to as "being an airplane owner"
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| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
WITH ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT NEW PANELS AND NEW RADIOS, I THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE
MY RECENT AVIONICS CHANGE WITH THE GROUP. MY KX-175 HAS NOW REACHED THE POINT
WHERE THE AVIONICS SHOP REFUSES TO LET ME DROP IT OFF FOR REPAIR. I TRIED TO
LEAVE IT ON THE DOORSTEP IN A STRAW BSKET, BUT APPARENTLY THIS HAS BEEN DONE
BEFORE AND THEY REFUSED TO MOVE IT INSIDE.
SINCE I HAVE A GPS, I DECIDED TO REPLACE THE KING NAV COM WITH HALF A RADIO, A
KY 196 (COMM ONLY). I STARTED TO GET A MX-20 WITH A GARMIN 430, BUT THE BANK
WOULD NOT GO 125% ON MY HOUSE SO I WILL HAVE TO WAIT. I THOUGHT ABOUT GETTING
A PART TIME JOB, BUT HESS IS NOT HIRING LATE NIGHT CLERKS AND DANCING IN CLUBS
WITH MEN PUTTING MONEY IN MY WAIST BAND WAS A LITTLE TO DEGRADING, EVEN FOR
ME. (ALTHOUGH MY FAMILY HAS BEEN TELLING EVERYONE THAT WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR
YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE TO ASHAMED TO LET ANYONE KNOW THERE WAS A LAWYER IN
THE FAMILY)
NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO KEEP FROM
HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL. APPARENTLY A KN53 WILL NOW HAVE TO BE PURCHASED
TO FULFILL THIS NEED. IF ANY OF YOU HAPPEN TO SEE A FAT OLD MAN DANCING
IN HIS SPEEDO, REMEMBER, THE MONEY IN THE WASTE BAND IS BEING USED TO FILL THE
PANEL... AL HOFFMAN
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| From: | "nick" <nick(at)container.com> |
al
this is a one of the funniest emails i have read all week.where are you
based?.Nick N690DB
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
alh1(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
WITH ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT NEW PANELS AND NEW RADIOS, I THOUGHT I WOULD
SHARE MY RECENT AVIONICS CHANGE WITH THE GROUP. MY KX-175 HAS NOW REACHED
THE POINT WHERE THE AVIONICS SHOP REFUSES TO LET ME DROP IT OFF FOR REPAIR.
I TRIED TO LEAVE IT ON THE DOORSTEP IN A STRAW BSKET, BUT APPARENTLY THIS
HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE AND THEY REFUSED TO MOVE IT INSIDE.
SINCE I HAVE A GPS, I DECIDED TO REPLACE THE KING NAV COM WITH HALF A RADIO,
A KY 196 (COMM ONLY). I STARTED TO GET A MX-20 WITH A GARMIN 430, BUT THE
BANK WOULD NOT GO 125% ON MY HOUSE SO I WILL HAVE TO WAIT. I THOUGHT ABOUT
GETTING A PART TIME JOB, BUT HESS IS NOT HIRING LATE NIGHT CLERKS AND
DANCING IN CLUBS WITH MEN PUTTING MONEY IN MY WAIST BAND WAS A LITTLE TO
DEGRADING, EVEN FOR ME. (ALTHOUGH MY FAMILY HAS BEEN TELLING EVERYONE THAT
WAS MY OCCUPATION FOR YEARS BECAUSE THEY WERE TO ASHAMED TO LET ANYONE KNOW
THERE WAS A LAWYER IN THE FAMILY)
NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO KEEP
FROM HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL. APPARENTLY A KN53 WILL NOW HAVE TO BE
PURCHASED TO FULFILL THIS NEED. IF ANY OF YOU HAPPEN TO SEE A FAT OLD MAN
DANCING IN HIS SPEEDO, REMEMBER, THE MONEY IN THE WASTE BAND IS BEING USED
TO FILL THE PANEL... AL HOFFMAN
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| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Sir Barry photos of 680E |
Sir Barry,
At the fly-in at HIO a few years ago, you took some air to air photos
of my ship. Do you have any of those that you could email me off list?
Thanks!
Barry
N680E
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| From: | "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com> |
Hi Larry,
Can you tell us more about the Merlyn 320 conversion? In the Mirage
installation, those engines were blamed for excessive vibration, oil
consumption and temperatures. How does it behave in the 500B?
Sounds like a great panel. I'm thinking about the MX20 and GNS430
myself. What convinced you to go the 480 route?
Jimmy
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Wokral
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>Wow Larry,
All I know is that when your airplane is done, it's going to be one of
the
finest examples of a piston commander.
What did you put in your panel? I need to do avionics next, I was
thinking
Garmin GNS480 (CNX80) plus the MX20
MFD...>
Yup John, that's what I would suggest.
I put in a new CNX80; MX20 with Chart View and terrain options; Garmin
GTX330 S mode transponder with TIS to the MX20; Shadin Digidata fuel
flow/air data computer that cross feeds air data info to the CNX80
(approved
as primary replacement for the stock fuel flow gauge during the Merlyn
320
conversion); PS Engineering 7000B audio panel w/seven place stereo
intercom
(with cell phone connect, dual stereo audio inputs that can be switched
or
shared from front seats and back; PS Engineering PXE7300 CD/MP3/AM&FM
player; a four receptacle 28 to 12V converter mounted at the rear table
and
one receptacle at the copilot's lower panel (I have a small 12V to 115V
inverter that can plug into any of these for laptops, coolers, etc.);
Electronics International volt/amp, MP, RPM, and dual CHT gauges as
primary
replacements; and two JPI EDM800 engine scanners with all available
scanning
options (all CHTs, all EGTs, TIT, IAT, OAT, fuel flow, volt/amps). I
already
had and reused a King HSI, a 1000E Stormscope, and a KX155 as the
secondary
radio. We built a new center panel section. The MX20, CNX80, and GTX330
are
mounted in a stack on the left half. This was considered to be within
the
normal IFR scan, so no separate "within scan" enunciators were required.
The
PS Eng 7000B, PXE7300, and KX155 are mounted immediately to the right of
those in another stack. The Shadin, Stormscope, and JPIs are lined up
vertically to the right of those with the two 3-in-one gauges and the
E.I.
dual CHT gauge horizontally below them. The MP, RPM, and volt/amp gauges
are
in a horizontal row of six in a small, extended sub panel running across
the
top just under the glare shield. While we were at it, I put in an
Electro
luminescent light strip under the glare shield that is wired to the main
bus
and has a battery backup. I also put Electro Luminescent light rings
around
all instruments and gauges that weren't already internally lighted. As a
backup, I left in the existing post lights too. For now, I left the
copilot's panel alone. It has a new A.I., older T&B, older VSI, and
older
DG. Some of these still have the older brow lights as does the flap and
trim
indicators. We installed Bose's buss powered jack for my headset. We
also
prewired the main harness for the XM/WX audio entertainment & weather
links
where the weather will be displayed on the MX20. It's pretty hard to
imagine
all of this without a photo. I need to take some.
There were a lot of complications encountered during the installation. A
lot
of old wiring behind the panel was removed and replaced with a new
harness
designed for this particular installation. Many of these components are
long, leaving little clearance in the back - another reason for a formed
custom harness. Instead of in-line fuses for the additional gauges etc.
as
is suggested by the manufacturers, we made a small new sub panel and
attached it just below the existing avionics bus so that an additional
row
of pullable circuit breakers could be installed. Where ever possible, we
wired through existing cannon plugs for easier future maintenance.
Because
the amperage load is now substantially higher (easily handled by the two
70
amp alternators included with the Merlyn 320 conversion), we had to run
a
larger feed wire from the new Zefftronics Alternator Controller/Voltage
Regulator too.
I've spent lots of bucks over the last couple of years for the Merlyn
320
conversion, the new built in altitude compensating oxygen system (dual
115
cf Kevlar bottles mounted aft of the extended baggage area on the
starboard
side opposite the battery), and the avionics installation. Now I'm
broke,
eating chicken pot pies for dinner, and can't afford avgas.
The plane still needs paint - I'll just have to keep it waxed up for
now.
The interior is in OK shape, but it is in an older style and not up to
what
the plane deserves. I still need to refinish and re-label the overhead
panel
and the quadrant. When I bought the plane, it already had the dual pane
cabin windows, flap gap seals, the Shrike nose, stinger tail cone, the
square rudder cap, eyebrow windows, and the frameless vent windows.
During
the Merlyn conversion, we certified the extended baggage area (I
previously
had no paperwork showing its installation) as an additional 150 lb.
"light
weight" area.
The other things I'd still like to do include installing winglets with
tip
strobes, new paint, leather interior refurbishment (with window and
crew/cabin separation curtains), make a new small drawered
"entertainment
center" cabinet that could be placed between the copilot seat and the
aft
facing one behind it, exchange the rear bench seat for one that has the
droppable center armrest, and install deicing boots (or maybe even a TKS
system - don't need known ice, but good deicing or anti-icing would be
good). The new "compact" propellers already have the hot prop kit. I'm
also
considering Merlyn's fuel increase system that allows an extra 70
gallons
with their additional gross weight increase to 7,400 lbs. (fuel weight
only
to be added to the present allowed gross weight of 7200 lbs.). This
increase
would put the plane back into the 1,000 mile IFR range. It would also be
nice to replace the present Century III autopilot with a new digital
roll
steering type like the S-TEC. Keep dreaming I guess!
Sure, I've spent more money on this plane than I could ever expect to
get
back from a sale (and there's more to spend). I guess a way to
rationalize
this is by contemplating what other plane could do what this one can:
with
the short field performance and safety designed in by Mr. Smith, with
the
added performance of the Merlyn conversion, with the great sleek look of
an
Aerocommander, and at what purchase price. A pressurized turboprop would
be
nice, but the cost to operate one is out of my budget. This one will now
cruise at 200 KTAS (75% power @ about 34 gph); has good climb ability (I
just did a high performance takeoff with just me and 70 gallons of fuel
(cool air has the
capability of flying to 25,000'; and has a single engine service ceiling
of
16,000'. I'm jazzed!
Sorry I got so involved. Several people wanted to know what was
installed,
so I though I would try to be complete and answer all at the same time.
Larry Wokral
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
In a message dated 06-Feb-05 20:03:09 Pacific Standard Time, alh1(at)juno.com
writes:
>
> NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO KEEP
> FROM HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL.
Very clever of him.
Not that a sheet of flat gray sheet metal would ever be placed where avionics
were missing .... no, better put more avionics there.
Are you pole dancing or lap dancing? You'll earn more lap dancing ... that's
where the money is, here in Las Vegas.
With all this talk of panel-mount nuggets of gold, is it time to review
Commander weight and balance vs. the original design with aft radio racks?
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
What are you saying, Keith? If I put me & 5 new radios in the front, will
the airplane adopt a permanent nose-down attitude?
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Avionics
>
> In a message dated 06-Feb-05 20:03:09 Pacific Standard Time, alh1(at)juno.com
> writes:
>
> >
> > NOW MY MECHANIC TELLS ME THE REST OF THE RADIO WILL NEED TO BE ADDED TO
KEEP
> > FROM HAVING A BIG HOLE IN THE PANEL.
>
> Very clever of him.
>
> Not that a sheet of flat gray sheet metal would ever be placed where
avionics
> were missing .... no, better put more avionics there.
>
> Are you pole dancing or lap dancing? You'll earn more lap dancing ...
that's
> where the money is, here in Las Vegas.
>
> With all this talk of panel-mount nuggets of gold, is it time to review
> Commander weight and balance vs. the original design with aft radio racks?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sir Barry photos of 680E |
Hi Barry,
The ones I took were taken on 'ordinary' film. I did scan a couple of the best
ones some while ago, but the quality was not too good.
I'll have another go shortly and get some better-quality shots off to you.
Kindest Regards,
Barry C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Sir Barry photos of 680E
|
| Sir Barry,
|
| At the fly-in at HIO a few years ago, you took some air to air photos
| of my ship. Do you have any of those that you could email me off list?
|
| Thanks!
|
| Barry
| N680E
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Moe Mills I need to talk with you. |
Kevin,
Great talking to you. As per our phone con. anytime between about the 10th
of July and the 15th of August will work for me. I am about 99% sure on this
deal. Please advise as soon as practical.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Moe Mills I need to talk with you.
>
> Moe,
>
> I misplaced your cell phone number and I want to give you an update on the
> crossing. Private email me if you'd like at kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net
or
> call me at 859-992-6920 to discuss.
>
> Kevin Coons
>
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> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Collman
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: N6291B & N401E
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> As promised, I've now extracted the history of your Model 500 N6291B and
the
> Model 720 N401E from my database and have attached them as .XLS files.
Both
> are
> ready to be printed out on 'Letter' format paper.
>
> With regard to the date suffix letters:
> "S" - indicates the Bill of Sale date
> "A" - indicates the Application for Registration date, where the Bill of
> Sale is
> undated, or the owner moves to a new location.
>
> Unusually, both these Commanders retained their original ex-factory 'N'
> numbers!
>
> With regard to N6291B:
> (1) - Does anything in the paperwork or log books throw any light on the
> propellers quoted in August 1983? What props were actually on the aircraft
> at
> that time and when were they actually installed?
>
> (2) - When were the winglets signed-off as being installed?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry Collman
> Aero Commander historian (UK)
>
>
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Avionics |
In a message dated 07-Feb-05 11:15:17 Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> What are you saying, Keith? If I put me &5 new radios in the front, will
> the airplane adopt a permanent nose-down attitude?
>
Oh, only when your fuel load gets down to about 60 pounds.
Unless you've hung a weight back on one of the tail frames.
I just thought I'd take this chance to toss the idea out to some of the new
members/owners on the list that the original design incorporated a few hundred
pounds of avionics in the racks aft of the aft baggage bulkhead and that used
to by a Commander was never out of CG.
With those gone and the weight moving into the panel, it's a whole new world
in the balance.
So any of you big spenders / grilled cheese sandwich gourmets planning a new
panel, look very closely at your empty weight CG and what your condition would
be with pilot seats occupied and minimum fuel.
The factory trick (and I got Gary Gadberry to start doing this years ago) was
to place a lead weight on the aft tail frame -- unless it was occupied by a
flux gate, then it was a frame or two forward.
Just some more cheap food for thought.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Merlyn 320 Conversion |
>Can you tell us more about the Merlyn 320 conversion? In the Mirage
installation, those engines were blamed for excessive vibration, oil
consumption and temperatures. How does it behave in the 500B?
Jimmy>
Scott Dickey, who also has one, described it here several months ago and
probably did a better job than I can. Here are the basics.
Hugh Evans calls it a "Merlyn 320 Shrike Conversion." The 500B, S, & U are
currently eligible for this new STC (#SA01212SE). Mine was the prototype,
although Scott's was completed first. The original engines are removed and
replaced with Lycoming TIO540AE2A(MC) engines. These are wide deck engines
with a 2,000 hr TBO that were originally rated at 350 HP. He buys them from
the company in Spokane that removes them from the Malibu's that change to
the turboprop STC. Mine had around 200 hours each since new. He then puts
new Millennium up exhaust cylinders on them and adds his single turbocharger
and exhaust setup. The Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468( )-6R props are required,
so they have to be purchased if the plane hasn't already been upgraded with
them previously. I elected to order them with the electric hot prop kit.
The turbo waste gates are throttle linkage controlled and, since the turbo
is mounted high, it requires no scavenge pump. The 70 amp alternators from
the Piper installation are reused as are several other items including
remote mounted oil filters, better air oil separators, the pressurized
magnetos, and the electric hot prop assemblies if requested. He installs all
new fire sleeved oil hoses and new engine lord mounts.
The engines are derated to 320 HP at 38"/2500RPM. The maximum prop RPM is
2500. 42" MP (maximum intermittent) is allowed up to 18,000'. This gives an
unofficial 15 more HP (approximate) for a high performance takeoff (in fact
the pop off valve is set to allow this extra boost). Since the engines were
originally rated at 350 HP, I don't expect any problem from doing the
42"/2500RPM takeoff, and I often do. The new single engine service ceiling
(at 7,200 lbs.) is 16,000'. Scott says he gets 200 KTAS in the upper teens
at 75% with about 36 gph. I haven't been up there yet, but I've been getting
over 170 KTAS down low on local flights at 26"/2200 RPM (about 60%) with a
burn of under 30 gph and TIT leaned to 1640 (about 65 ROP). The CHTs have
always been well under limits (although its been cold here), I've seen no
vibrations, and the engines seem to keep 9 quarts (when I put in more, it
blows it out).
The conversion includes a gross weight increase to 7,200 lbs. (up from the
stock 6,750 lbs.). The extra weight of the new components is about 100 lbs.,
so you actually get a net increase of about 350 lbs. You can also opt for
his 70 gallon fuel increase kit which takes the allowed gross weight to
7,400 lbs. (any weight over 7,200 lbs. must be in fuel). I have not yet
added this, but I'm considering it. His certification has some other options
too. I elected to take out the original fuel flow gauge and replace it with
a Shadin Digidata fuel flow/ADC as the new primary. I believe that Scott
went with a Shadin Micro Flow. Neither of these are approved by Shadin as
primary fuel flow replacements (simply due to the lack of demand), but Hugh
got them approved as options under his certification.
The new performance is really awesome compared to stock. My C177 Cardinal RG
was turbonormalized, and I had gotten used to flying high and from high DA
fields without much thought. I missed that ability with the Commander. I
first tried to get someone to do a simple turbonormalized system on the
stock engines, but didn't get any interest - even from Merlyn initially.
(Now, Merlyn does a turbonormalized system based on the work he did for the
320 conversion. He has installed 2 or 3 of those). After several discussions
with Hugh, he decided that a reduced version of his already STCd Merlyn 350
just might be a good idea. It all evolved from there.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
>Sounds like a great panel. I'm thinking about the MX20 and GNS430
myself. What convinced you to go the 480 route?
Jimmy>
WAAS LNAV/VNAV and LPV approach capability. The price isn't much over a 530,
and it has a lot more capabilities. Now Garmin is supposed to add WAAS to
its 430 and 530 but at a cost of about $1,700 more. I figured why not just
go with the CNX80 (GNS480). The avionics shop I used said that the
installation cost is about the same for either.
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Merlyn 320 Conversion |
Great review, Larry. That sounds like about the right config for the B. It
appears to rival the speed of the Aerostar a bit with the comfort of the
Commander.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Merlyn 320 Conversion
>
> >Can you tell us more about the Merlyn 320 conversion? In the Mirage
> installation, those engines were blamed for excessive vibration, oil
> consumption and temperatures. How does it behave in the 500B?
>
> Jimmy>
>
> Scott Dickey, who also has one, described it here several months ago and
> probably did a better job than I can. Here are the basics.
>
> Hugh Evans calls it a "Merlyn 320 Shrike Conversion." The 500B, S, & U are
> currently eligible for this new STC (#SA01212SE). Mine was the prototype,
> although Scott's was completed first. The original engines are removed and
> replaced with Lycoming TIO540AE2A(MC) engines. These are wide deck engines
> with a 2,000 hr TBO that were originally rated at 350 HP. He buys them
from
> the company in Spokane that removes them from the Malibu's that change to
> the turboprop STC. Mine had around 200 hours each since new. He then puts
> new Millennium up exhaust cylinders on them and adds his single
turbocharger
> and exhaust setup. The Hartzell HC-C3YR-2UF/FC8468( )-6R props are
required,
> so they have to be purchased if the plane hasn't already been upgraded
with
> them previously. I elected to order them with the electric hot prop kit.
>
> The turbo waste gates are throttle linkage controlled and, since the turbo
> is mounted high, it requires no scavenge pump. The 70 amp alternators from
> the Piper installation are reused as are several other items including
> remote mounted oil filters, better air oil separators, the pressurized
> magnetos, and the electric hot prop assemblies if requested. He installs
all
> new fire sleeved oil hoses and new engine lord mounts.
>
> The engines are derated to 320 HP at 38"/2500RPM. The maximum prop RPM is
> 2500. 42" MP (maximum intermittent) is allowed up to 18,000'. This gives
an
> unofficial 15 more HP (approximate) for a high performance takeoff (in
fact
> the pop off valve is set to allow this extra boost). Since the engines
were
> originally rated at 350 HP, I don't expect any problem from doing the
> 42"/2500RPM takeoff, and I often do. The new single engine service ceiling
> (at 7,200 lbs.) is 16,000'. Scott says he gets 200 KTAS in the upper teens
> at 75% with about 36 gph. I haven't been up there yet, but I've been
getting
> over 170 KTAS down low on local flights at 26"/2200 RPM (about 60%) with a
> burn of under 30 gph and TIT leaned to 1640 (about 65 ROP). The CHTs have
> always been well under limits (although its been cold here), I've seen no
> vibrations, and the engines seem to keep 9 quarts (when I put in more, it
> blows it out).
>
> The conversion includes a gross weight increase to 7,200 lbs. (up from the
> stock 6,750 lbs.). The extra weight of the new components is about 100
lbs.,
> so you actually get a net increase of about 350 lbs. You can also opt for
> his 70 gallon fuel increase kit which takes the allowed gross weight to
> 7,400 lbs. (any weight over 7,200 lbs. must be in fuel). I have not yet
> added this, but I'm considering it. His certification has some other
options
> too. I elected to take out the original fuel flow gauge and replace it
with
> a Shadin Digidata fuel flow/ADC as the new primary. I believe that Scott
> went with a Shadin Micro Flow. Neither of these are approved by Shadin as
> primary fuel flow replacements (simply due to the lack of demand), but
Hugh
> got them approved as options under his certification.
>
> The new performance is really awesome compared to stock. My C177 Cardinal
RG
> was turbonormalized, and I had gotten used to flying high and from high DA
> fields without much thought. I missed that ability with the Commander. I
> first tried to get someone to do a simple turbonormalized system on the
> stock engines, but didn't get any interest - even from Merlyn initially.
> (Now, Merlyn does a turbonormalized system based on the work he did for
the
> 320 conversion. He has installed 2 or 3 of those). After several
discussions
> with Hugh, he decided that a reduced version of his already STCd Merlyn
350
> just might be a good idea. It all evolved from there.
>
> Larry Wokral
>
>
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| From: | "Herman Hill" <maintenance(at)northstaraviation.net> |
| Subject: | AD 94-04-14, NDT |
Looking for recomendations on a good NDT (ultrasonic) Testing service that is familier
with the Twin Commander Spar Cap AD 94-04-14 and is near our location
(western Montana). Any help would be appriciatted.
Also on the Model 685 will it be required to remove all of the fuel cells to do
this AD or can the cells be moved out of the way enough and still be left in
the wing bays.
Thanks,
Herman Hill
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| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Aerocommander 685 Possibly for Sale |
There is a fellow that has a 685 based here at my local field (Hamilton MT,
6S5). I spoke with him yesterday, and he told me he will probably be putting
it up for sale shortly. He is older, doesn't have an instrument rating, and
can't get insured.
It has been in his hangar unflown for a couple of years. Our local mechanic
is presently doing an annual on it. It looks like a real clean airplane. The
mechanic is a friend of mine, and he said he has found no major faults. They
are looking for someone to do the spar cap inspection now. The exterior
paint is mostly a gray silver and is in very good condition. The interior
looks like it has been reupholstered in a beige cream leather (maybe a
leather like vinyl) recently. The radio stack is mixed King and older, but
looks good. I believe that he said the engines are getting close to the
1,200 TBO, but that they have good compressions.
I don't know what he will want for it (or what they are worth for that
matter). If anyone is interested let me know, and I'll have him get in touch
with you.
Larry Wokral
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Aerocommander 685 Possibly for Sale |
Larry, do you have a tail number or serial number?
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Aerocommander 685 Possibly for Sale
>
> There is a fellow that has a 685 based here at my local field (Hamilton
MT,
> 6S5). I spoke with him yesterday, and he told me he will probably be
putting
> it up for sale shortly. He is older, doesn't have an instrument rating,
and
> can't get insured.
>
> It has been in his hangar unflown for a couple of years. Our local
mechanic
> is presently doing an annual on it. It looks like a real clean airplane.
The
> mechanic is a friend of mine, and he said he has found no major faults.
They
> are looking for someone to do the spar cap inspection now. The exterior
> paint is mostly a gray silver and is in very good condition. The interior
> looks like it has been reupholstered in a beige cream leather (maybe a
> leather like vinyl) recently. The radio stack is mixed King and older, but
> looks good. I believe that he said the engines are getting close to the
> 1,200 TBO, but that they have good compressions.
>
> I don't know what he will want for it (or what they are worth for that
> matter). If anyone is interested let me know, and I'll have him get in
touch
> with you.
>
> Larry Wokral
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: AD 94-04-14, NDT |
In a message dated 2/10/2005 7:14:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
maintenance(at)northstaraviation.net writes:
Also on the Model 685 will it be required to remove all of the fuel cells to
do this AD or can the cells be moved out of the way enough and still be left
in the wing bays.
January 23, 2005 - February 10, 2005
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