Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bm
March 28, 2005 - April 12, 2005
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is
> no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior,
> Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have
> eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the
> universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!!
> Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you
> spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you
this
>
> wonderful day
>
> Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
> PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that
> never go dry!! ;-) jb
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
> From: Frits Abbing
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
>
>
> There is no fuel in heaven, they all fly on air.
> And there is no FAA also, so ......!!!
>
> Happy Easter.
>
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> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > I just want to wish all of you a Happy
> > Easter! Remember, there is
> > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate
> > this day a risen savior,
> > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so
> > that you and I can have
> > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty
> > God, the creator of the
> > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal
> > life WOW!!
> > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your
> > salvation?? Where will you
> > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven.
> > May God bless all of you this
> > wonderful day
> >
> > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
> >
> > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!!
> > With fuel tanks that
> > never go dry!! ;-) jb
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
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> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
> From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
>
>
> Amen, Jim
> Happy Easter, All.
> Rob Munro
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
> From: "Jim Addington"
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
>
>
> Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really
sounds
> good.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is
> no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior,
> Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have
> eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the
> universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!!
> Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you
> spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you
> this
> wonderful day
>
> Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
> PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that
> never go dry!! ;-) jb
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> From: "nico css"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
>
>
> Thanks for your testimonies, guys. Not only no fuel required, but Aero
> Commanders that can traverse the stars.
> Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington"
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
>
>
> >
> > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really
> sounds
> > good.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER
> >
> >
> >
> > HI KIDS.
> >
> > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there
> is
> > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior,
> > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can
> have
> > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of
the
> > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!!
> > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you
> > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of
> you
> > this
> > wonderful day
> >
> > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
> >
> > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks
> that
> > never go dry!! ;-) jb
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
> From: buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce
> that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my
> developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak
> heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe
> is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which
> must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my
> stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo
> and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight
> group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of
what
> I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so
> I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch.
>
>
> H.W."Buddy" Windham
> President
> Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> Excalibur Contracting, Inc.
> The Windham Companies, Inc.
> L&B Investors, LLC
>
>
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> > 1. 04:46 AM - Fw: seajean flying boat conversion (Avtec2)
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> > ________________________________ Message 1
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> > From: "Avtec2"
> > Subject: Commander-List: Fw: seajean flying boat conversion
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jean
> > Subject: seajean flying boat conversion
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> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
> From: "Larry Wokral"
> Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying
>
>
> I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on.
>
> While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine
> started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a
> little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly
> dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still
had
> oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked
> out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately
shut
> it down and feathered the prop.
>
> So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over
> very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't
get
> any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I
was
> there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily
> maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the
> McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my
> Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of
nowhere
> with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold
> clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly
> decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into
the
> McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to
> proceed there.
>
> I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s
> were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or
> could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between
me
> and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach
> through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single
> engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could
> find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my
> assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I
must
> say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with
you.
> He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the
feathered
> engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the
> horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to
look
> for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me
> to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through
> it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'.
>
> The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed
off
> to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were
all
> great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not
> turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry.
>
> A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's
ramp.
> When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from
> somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the
> problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the
crankcase
> breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to
> blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours
> cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three
> quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage.
> When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose
> seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of
> course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and
> hub.
>
> We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew
> it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new
> storm arrived.
>
> Reflections:
> This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320
> conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable.
> With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel
> aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about
> 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the
> problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The
> single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left
> engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot
> longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin
occasionally
> reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down
> prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter
> for a look see just to be sure).
>
> Still need to learn (among other things):
> I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was
> never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no
visible
> moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes
the
> vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside
> edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut
> somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the
> exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine
after
> everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full
RPM,
> and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to
> around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I
want
> to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find
> out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to
> freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at
> 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton).
>
> The other question:
> Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time?
>
> Larry Wokral,
> 500B
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> From: "John Vormbaum"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby
>
>
> Buddy,
>
> My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I
> consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine
> you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and
the
> amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good
shape.
>
> I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will
find
> a new home and stay with the flight group.
>
> Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my
> airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to
> fly with you!
>
> Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are
we
> going to let you outta this gang!
>
> Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in,
>
> /John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby
>
>
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce
> > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to
my
> > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak
> > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I
> believe
> > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which
> > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my
> > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo
> > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the
> flight
> > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of
> what
> > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so
> > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch.
> >
> >
> > H.W."Buddy" Windham
> > President
> > Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> > Excalibur Contracting, Inc.
> > The Windham Companies, Inc.
> > L&B Investors, LLC
> >
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 10
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>
> From: "alh1(at)juno.com"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying
>
>
> larry, i am always interested in successful single engine flying. try that
in
> a cessna cardinal. before i got my commander, i had an engine failure in
my bonanza.
> i went right away to full power on the second engine, but nothing
happened.
> fortunately for me there was a road available and no injuries, but that
> was it for me and one engine. glad you made it. al hoffman
>
>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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| From: | Dave <vinophile(at)yahoo.com> |
Was anyone on the list flying around Park City, Utah
on Sunday? I was skiing and a commander came in over
Main Street. I almost hit a tree..
David
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| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Single Engine Flying |
Guys,
Thanks for the good comments about my recent single engine experience. Yes,
it will now be much more difficult to complain about the increased operating
costs of flying the Commander over my previous Cardinal (three times the
fuel, three times the insurance, at least double the maintenance). As Nico
said, "...nothing can yield a better return on your investment than an
experience like Larry had..." As in Al Hoffman's Bonanza engine out
experience, not much happens when you add power to the "other engine" when
the original one gets quiet in a single. That happened to me in my Cardinal
once during a climb over the Sierra. It was quiet for only 20-30 seconds
when it restarted when I turned the boost pump on. In that case, I probably
had some water in the fuel that burbled through.
As John Vormbaum said: "... there are other (safer) ways to get a closeup of
an F-15 ..." Certainly! I think these "boys on our payroll" enjoyed their
repeated intercepts of me after they were satisfied that all seemed well.
Yes, it was tax dollars well spent - at least in this now even more humble
pilot's opinion.
And, yes, Nico, it was a great outcome. I had planned to get some specific
single engine operation training from an experienced Aerocommander driver
soon. Now after having done it successfully, I feel I just might be able to
sign myself off on a portion of that. What wonderful, safe airplanes these
are.
Larry Wokral
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| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Frozen Rudder Trim |
As I reported earlier, my rudder trim has now frozen up twice while in clear
air and real cold OAT (-25C and -15C). It was parked on the ramp at Stockton
CA during a lot of rain before my departure last Thursday. Perhaps there is
someplace in the cable or hinge system where water is allowed to accumulate
and then freeze at altitude - not a good thing.
Does anyone else have experience with this? What do you all think is he
problem? Has anyone figured out a fix for it?
I had always read that with one shut down the rudder on a Commander can
easily be trimmed allowing you to take your foot off of the rudder. I was
disappointed not to be able to try this.
Thanks,
Larry Wokral
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi Dave...
Wasn't me. However, my folks and sister are moving to Park City next week,
so I'll be pointing my Commander in that direction soon and often (I
hope...). 2 hours and 45 minutes from San Luis Obispo, CA (SBP) to Heber
City Airport...yipppeee. Can't wait.
I'll wave at you on the slopes.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave
Subject: Commander-List: Park City
Was anyone on the list flying around Park City, Utah
on Sunday? I was skiing and a commander came in over
Main Street. I almost hit a tree..
David
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| Subject: | Re: Frozen Rudder Trim |
Larry,
Every couple of flights, we'll pull one back to zero thrust, and put in a
little rudder trim, engage the autopilot, and let it fly for 10 minutes or so.
Indicates about 140 at 5000.........hardly know one is out.
Rob Munro
In a message dated 3/28/2005 1:50:33 PM Central Standard Time,
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
> I had always read that with one shut down the rudder on a Commander can
> easily be trimmed allowing you to take your foot off of the rudder. I was
> disappointed not to be able to try this.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry Wokral
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Frozen Rudder Trim |
Hey Larry, just a thought,
After every rainstorm I have my girl do the "Commander Squat", i.e. I hang
from the tail (I weigh a considerable amount...but hey, it's in proportion
to my height!) to pull the tail down to the ground, then sit on it for a few
minutes while the rainwater drains out of the fuselage. Then I let the
nosewheel back down to the ground and wait a few more minutes while the
remainder drains. If it's been a bad storm, I'll repeat until nothing more
drips out of the drain holes on the bottom.
Then I fly the cr*p out of her to get that airframe COMPLETELY dry. Moisture
is the enemy of metal....must do my part to preserve the airframe :-).
/J
PS: The airframe is easier to tip with 2 people, and easier still with full
tanks.
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Single Engine flying |
In a message dated 3/27/2005 6:09:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
The other question:
Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time?
ME time. Great job Larry!! jb
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Single Engine flying |
It's the creme de la creme of ME time, justifying the whole ball of wax.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying
>
>
> In a message dated 3/27/2005 6:09:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
>
> The other question:
> Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time?
>
>
> ME time. Great job Larry!! jb
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Frozen Rudder Trim |
Crikey! If you lived in England, you'd be at the airport 24/7 with arm ache and
wet feet!!
Barry C. (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim
|
| Hey Larry, just a thought,
|
| After every rainstorm I have my girl do the "Commander Squat", i.e. I hang
| from the tail (I weigh a considerable amount...but hey, it's in proportion
| to my height!) to pull the tail down to the ground, then sit on it for a few
| minutes while the rainwater drains out of the fuselage. Then I let the
| nosewheel back down to the ground and wait a few more minutes while the
| remainder drains. If it's been a bad storm, I'll repeat until nothing more
| drips out of the drain holes on the bottom.
|
| Then I fly the cr*p out of her to get that airframe COMPLETELY dry. Moisture
| is the enemy of metal....must do my part to preserve the airframe :-).
|
| /J
|
| PS: The airframe is easier to tip with 2 people, and easier still with full
| tanks.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
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| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Frozen Rudder Trim |
John,
I just did this for the first time while I was in Stockton to wax the tail.
I was surprised how easily it "squatted." I never thought about doing it
after a rain storm to avoid the rudder trim from freezing, but it makes
since.
Larry
>After every rainstorm I have my girl do the "Commander Squat", i.e. I hang
from the tail (I weigh a considerable amount...but hey, it's in proportion
to my height!) to pull the tail down to the ground, then sit on it for a few
minutes while the rainwater drains out of the fuselage. Then I let the
nosewheel back down to the ground and wait a few more minutes while the
remainder drains. If it's been a bad storm, I'll repeat until nothing more
drips out of the drain holes on the bottom.
Then I fly the cr*p out of her to get that airframe COMPLETELY dry. Moisture
is the enemy of metal....must do my part to preserve the airframe :-).>
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| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Frozen Rudder Trim |
What usually happens with the rudder trim and elevator trim is that the
actuators get moisture in them.
If the actuators are removed cleaned and filled with Aeroshell 22 grease
they will go a few years until the problem resurfaces.
As for the breather freezing over that needs to be addressed right away,
either the kit that puts the breather in the overboard exhaust stream, a
whistle slot in the warm area of the cowling, oran arangement similar to the
MR RPM conversions with the breather in the cooling air outlet of the cowl
flaps.
Regards
Mike
Commander NW LTD
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Frozen Rudder Trim |
"Crikey"
I have wondered for some time if that was spelled with a "K" or a "C"
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Crikey! If you lived in England, you'd be at the airport 24/7 with arm
> ache and
> wet feet!!
>
> Barry C. (UK)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim
>
>
>
> |
> | Hey Larry, just a thought,
> |
> | After every rainstorm I have my girl do the "Commander Squat", i.e. I
> hang
> | from the tail (I weigh a considerable amount...but hey, it's in
> proportion
> | to my height!) to pull the tail down to the ground, then sit on it for a
> few
> | minutes while the rainwater drains out of the fuselage. Then I let the
> | nosewheel back down to the ground and wait a few more minutes while the
> | remainder drains. If it's been a bad storm, I'll repeat until nothing
> more
> | drips out of the drain holes on the bottom.
> |
> | Then I fly the cr*p out of her to get that airframe COMPLETELY dry.
> Moisture
> | is the enemy of metal....must do my part to preserve the airframe :-).
> |
> | /J
> |
> | PS: The airframe is easier to tip with 2 people, and easier still with
> full
> | tanks.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Frozen Rudder Trim |
Do you mean if the "C" was a "K" or the "K" was a "C"?
Or, was the "C" a "K" with the "C" still a "C"?
Or, was the "C" still a "C" and the "K" was a "C""?
BC (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim
|
| "Crikey"
|
| I have wondered for some time if that was spelled with a "K" or a "C"
|
| bilbo
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim
|
|
| > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Crikey! If you lived in England, you'd be at the airport 24/7 with arm
| > ache and
| > wet feet!!
| >
| > Barry C. (UK)
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
| > To:
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Frozen Rudder Trim
| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | Hey Larry, just a thought,
| > |
| > | After every rainstorm I have my girl do the "Commander Squat", i.e. I
| > hang
| > | from the tail (I weigh a considerable amount...but hey, it's in
| > proportion
| > | to my height!) to pull the tail down to the ground, then sit on it for a
| > few
| > | minutes while the rainwater drains out of the fuselage. Then I let the
| > | nosewheel back down to the ground and wait a few more minutes while the
| > | remainder drains. If it's been a bad storm, I'll repeat until nothing
| > more
| > | drips out of the drain holes on the bottom.
| > |
| > | Then I fly the cr*p out of her to get that airframe COMPLETELY dry.
| > Moisture
| > | is the enemy of metal....must do my part to preserve the airframe :-).
| > |
| > | /J
| > |
| > | PS: The airframe is easier to tip with 2 people, and easier still with
| > full
| > | tanks.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FAA Commander 680E |
Hi Guys,
I thought you might be interested to know that a photo of your much-loved FAA's
Model 680E is now to be seen on airliners.net at the following large-picture
link:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=800811&WxsIERv=Nreb%20Pbzznaqre%20680R%20Pbzznaqre&WdsYXMg=Srqreny%20Nivngvba%20Nqzvavfgengvba%20%28SNN%29&QtODMg=Ngynagvp%20Pvgl%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28NPL%20%2F%20XNPL%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Arj%20Wrefrl&ktODMp=Znepu%2015%2C%202005&BP=1&WNEb25u=Gbz%20Gheare&xsIERvdWdsY=A50&MgTUQtODMgKE=Jub%20xarj%20gur%20SNN%20bcrengrq%20Nreb%20Pbzznaqref%3F%20Ohvyg%20va%201958%20naq%20fgvyy%20nvejbegul.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=183&NEb25uZWxs=2005-03-21%2021%3A29%3A45&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=680R-818-62&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22Pbzznaqre%22%20%2B%22500%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=4&prev_id=804135&next_id=788159&size=L
She doesn't really look that bad for a 45-year old! The remarks say it's a 1958
build, but that's wrong, it was Certificated on October 21st 1959. I'll be
sending an amendment in tonight.
Best Regards,
Barry (UK)
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: FAA Commander 680E |
No "N" number?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: FAA Commander 680E
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I thought you might be interested to know that a photo of your much-loved
FAA's
> Model 680E is now to be seen on airliners.net at the following
large-picture
> link:
>
>
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=800811&WxsIERv=Nreb%20Pbzznaqre%20680R
%20Pbzznaqre&WdsYXMg=Srqreny%20Nivngvba%20Nqzvavfgengvba%20%28SNN%29&QtODMgNgynagvp%20Pvgl%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28NPL%20%2F%20XNPL%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-
%20Arj%20Wrefrl&ktODMp=Znepu%2015%2C%202005&BP=1&WNEb25u=Gbz%20Gheare&xsIERv
dWdsY=A50&MgTUQtODMgKE=Jub%20xarj%20gur%20SNN%20bcrengrq%20Nreb%20Pbzznaqref
%3F%20Ohvyg%20va%201958%20naq%20fgvyy%20nvejbegul.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=183&NEb2
5uZWxs=2005-03-21%2021%3A29%3A45&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=680R-818-62&static=yes&s
ok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhage
l%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbq
r%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22Pbzznaqre%22%20%2B%22500%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%2
0ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=4&prev_id=804135&next
_id=788159&size=L
>
> She doesn't really look that bad for a 45-year old! The remarks say it's a
1958
> build, but that's wrong, it was Certificated on October 21st 1959. I'll be
> sending an amendment in tonight.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry (UK)
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com |
Hi Jim:
Can a "not quite yet a Twin Commander Owner" attend the CALIF fly in?
If so, is there a date and location yet?
Thx,
Joe Allee
joe(at)TACCapitalGroup.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Calif Fly In |
In a message dated 3/30/2005 9:42:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com writes:
Can a "not quite yet a Twin Commander Owner" attend the CALIF fly in?
YOU BET!! No place yet but should know soon. I will let everybody know.
Thanks for asking. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FAA Commander 680E |
In a message dated 3/30/2005 11:50:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
No "N" number?
Tom F.
Good Morning Tom,
I believe it is N50.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FAA Commander 680E |
Hi Tom,
"BobsV35B" is correct. The photo is of N50.
Barry (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FAA Commander 680E
|
| No "N" number?
| Tom F.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Commander-List: FAA Commander 680E
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi Guys,
| >
| > I thought you might be interested to know that a photo of your much-loved
| FAA's
| > Model 680E is now to be seen on airliners.net at the following
| large-picture
| > link:
| >
| >
| http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=800811&WxsIERv=Nreb%20Pbzznaqre%20680R
|
%20Pbzznaqre&WdsYXMg=Srqreny%20Nivngvba%20Nqzvavfgengvba%20%28SNN%29&QtODMgNgynagvp%20Pvgl%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%28NPL%20%2F%20XNPL%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-
| %20Arj%20Wrefrl&ktODMp=Znepu%2015%2C%202005&BP=1&WNEb25u=Gbz%20Gheare&xsIERv
| dWdsY=A50&MgTUQtODMgKE=Jub%20xarj%20gur%20SNN%20bcrengrq%20Nreb%20Pbzznaqref
| %3F%20Ohvyg%20va%201958%20naq%20fgvyy%20nvejbegul.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=183&NEb2
| 5uZWxs=2005-03-21%2021%3A29%3A45&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=680R-818-62&static=yes&s
| ok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhage
| l%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbq
| r%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22Pbzznaqre%22%20%2B%22500%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%2
| 0ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=4&prev_id=804135&next
| _id=788159&size=L
| >
| > She doesn't really look that bad for a 45-year old! The remarks say it's a
| 1958
| > build, but that's wrong, it was Certificated on October 21st 1959. I'll be
| > sending an amendment in tonight.
| >
| > Best Regards,
| > Barry (UK)
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Calif Fly In |
Hi Joe,
If a "never going to be prosperous enough to be a Twin Commander Owner" can
attend all of the Fly-Ins held to date, I'm sure you'll get a very warm welcome,
just as I do each year.
With a wet & windy England, California is going to be a welcome sight!
Barry C (UK)
----- Original Message -----
From: <joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Calif Fly In
|
| Hi Jim:
|
| Can a "not quite yet a Twin Commander Owner" attend the CALIF fly in?
| If so, is there a date and location yet?
|
| Thx,
|
| Joe Allee
| joe(at)TACCapitalGroup.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Calif Fly In |
Are you guys considering Camarillo (CMA) or Oxnard (OXR) for the flyin? If
so, let me know if I can be of help if you need a pointman on site.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Calif Fly In
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> If a "never going to be prosperous enough to be a Twin Commander Owner"
can
> attend all of the Fly-Ins held to date, I'm sure you'll get a very warm
welcome,
> just as I do each year.
>
> With a wet & windy England, California is going to be a welcome sight!
>
> Barry C (UK)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Calif Fly In
>
>
> |
> | Hi Jim:
> |
> | Can a "not quite yet a Twin Commander Owner" attend the CALIF fly in?
> | If so, is there a date and location yet?
> |
> | Thx,
> |
> | Joe Allee
> | joe(at)TACCapitalGroup.com
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Hello all,
My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
experience?
I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
now.
I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
"classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
photos with schemes that I like:
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
(especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
tail)
Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
worth the trip.
Thanks,
Stan Perkins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> |
| Subject: | Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Try South Texas Aircraft Refinishers in Devine, Texas. 1997 prices for my
560e were approx. the same as your quote out of Arkansas. They did a great
job on mine.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
Hello all,
My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that will
do good quality work at a reasonable price.
I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you happy
with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good experience?
I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped and
repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with stainless, and
changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!) That price sounds
extremely reasonable considering all that was done, although the quote was
from 1997 and prices have probably increased by now.
I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a "classic"
Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some photos with
schemes that I like:
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
(especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
tail)
Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it worth
the trip.
Thanks,
Stan Perkins
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
I have since had two C-180's re-painted by the same shop. You can see them
on the Controller web site or on Gary Gadberry' web site they are N2727K and
N63638 each cost approx $8,600.00 to re-paint. The interiors were done at
Pettit Jean field in Morrilton AR.and cost about the same.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
Hello all,
My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
experience?
I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
now.
I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
"classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
photos with schemes that I like:
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
(especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
tail)
Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
worth the trip.
Thanks,
Stan Perkins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Stan,
Am I happy with the job? In a nutshell, NO.
The quality of the paint is great, and it looks good....now. The major
drawback was not being close enough to manage the process. Jimbob went out
to get the airplane when they said it was "done", and wrote a list of 60+
squawks on the paint. Wasted trip, wasted money, wasted time. Once Jim
really put the screws to them, they came around and did a good re-paint of
the fuselage. Unfortunately they changed the stencil of the tail number
(because they were in a hurry) and I liked the old one better. So I'm pretty
unhappy about that.
Also, the interior is truly mediocre. I was under the impression that this
guy was supposed to be good, but I've found 2 (minor) rips in seat leather
since getting the airplane back, and the trim pieces leave something to be
desired. The fit & finish is adequate, but not worthy of a Commander. All in
all, it wasn't worth the $22k I spent on it ($25k if you include
pilot/delivery/incidental fees).
I have received AWESOME recommendations from a paint shop at Lincoln, CA
(LHM) near Sacramento. I have a friend who has seen 3 airplanes that they've
done and he was impressed with all of them, especially considering that the
prices are very reasonable; I think they would have easily competed on the
bid that I got from the gang in Malden, and I know they would have turned it
around faster. The are close enough for you to take a look while in-process
(or to have your friendly neighborhood Commander pilot drop by) and the job
of getting the airplane to & from isn't too onerous.
I just looked at Airnav, and it lists Kracon Aircraft Refinishing at
916-645-1614. I'll double check with my friend to make sure that those are
the guys, although from what I hear there's only one paint shop on the
field.
Cheers,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
>
> Hello all,
>
> My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
> repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
> will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
>
> I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
> Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
> happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
> experience?
>
> I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
> and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
> stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
> That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
> although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
> now.
>
> I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
> "classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
> photos with schemes that I like:
>
> http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
>
> http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
> (especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
> tail)
>
> Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
> anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
> worth the trip.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan Perkins
>
>
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| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Hey Bill,
I use to see 55BZ at (ARA) New Iberia, La, I guess before you bought it. Its a
great looking Commander. I believe it was in (HUM) Houma, La before that. Haven't
scene it in a while, wondered what had happen to it.
Bert Berry
-----Original Message-----
From: William Boelte <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
I have since had two C-180's re-painted by the same shop. You can see them
on the Controller web site or on Gary Gadberry' web site they are N2727K and
N63638 each cost approx $8,600.00 to re-paint. The interiors were done at
Pettit Jean field in Morrilton AR.and cost about the same.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
Hello all,
My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
experience?
I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
now.
I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
"classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
photos with schemes that I like:
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
(especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
tail)
Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
worth the trip.
Thanks,
Stan Perkins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Stan,
The first photo you have there is of N331RC, it belongs to a some friends of mine
here in Lafayette, La. Let me know if you need some better photos of it, I'd
be glad to send them to you.
Bert Berry
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
Hello all,
My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
experience?
I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
now.
I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
"classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
photos with schemes that I like:
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
(especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
tail)
Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
worth the trip.
Thanks,
Stan Perkins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Hi Stan,
Just my penny's worth. These are designs that I find particularly pleasing:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ZS-KZZ/
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ZS-RIL/
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N461JB/
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
>
> Hello all,
>
> My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
> repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
> will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
>
> I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
> Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
> happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
> experience?
>
> I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
> and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
> stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
> That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
> although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
> now.
>
> I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
> "classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
> photos with schemes that I like:
>
> http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
>
> http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
> (especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
> tail)
>
> Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
> anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
> worth the trip.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan Perkins
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Confirmation: it IS Kracon |
Hi Stan,
I just confirmed via my friend that Kracon, 916-645-1614, is the paint shop
that has such a good rep at LHM.
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Confirmation: it IS Kracon |
I can second the recommendation for Kracon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Commander-List: Confirmation: it IS Kracon
Hi Stan,
I just confirmed via my friend that Kracon, 916-645-1614, is the paint shop
that has such a good rep at LHM.
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Hi Buddy & Stan,
N3820C before its demise had a nice paint job too.
Buddy, I think we chatted to the owner of it (Robert Kupetz) at Dayton one year
and I think South Texas Aircraft Refinishers painted his 680E too.
Do you remember it?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
|
| Try South Texas Aircraft Refinishers in Devine, Texas. 1997 prices for my
| 560e were approx. the same as your quote out of Arkansas. They did a great
| job on mine.
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
|
|
| Hello all,
|
| My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
| repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that will
| do good quality work at a reasonable price.
|
| I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
| Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you happy
| with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good experience?
|
| I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped and
| repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with stainless, and
| changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!) That price sounds
| extremely reasonable considering all that was done, although the quote was
| from 1997 and prices have probably increased by now.
|
| I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a "classic"
| Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some photos with
| schemes that I like:
|
| http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
|
| http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
| (especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
| tail)
|
| Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
| anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it worth
| the trip.
|
| Thanks,
| Stan Perkins
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
Hi Stan!
I saw these paint jobs while browsing airliners.net recently and they caught my
eye. Well, there something to consider, anyway! The links are:
First one:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=793855&WxsIERv=Ebpxjryy%20690N%20Gheob%20Pbzznaqre&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=FIPF%20%28nrebchregb%20Pnenpnf%29&ERDLTkt=Irarmhryn&ktODMp=Znepu%206%2C%202005&BP=1&WNEb25u=Wbetr%20Bccraurvzre&xsIERvdWdsY=LI-2812C&MgTUQtODMgKE=Svefg%20cvpgher%20bs%20guvf%20nvepensg%20urer&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=295&NEb25uZWxs=2005-03-12%2001%3A02%3A18&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22LI-2812C%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=NEXTID&size=M
Second one:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=137675&WxsIERv=Ebpxjryy%20690O%20Gheob%20Pbzznaqre&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Cnanzn%20Pvgl%20%28Onyobn%29%20-%20Znepbf%20N.%20Trynoreg%20%2F%20Nyoebbx%20%28OYO%20%2F%20ZCYO%20%2F%20ZCZT%29&ERDLTkt=Cnanzn&ktODMp=Wnahnel%2017%2C%202001&BP=0&WNEb25u=Zvpunry%20Ebovfba&xsIERvdWdsY=UC-1415&MgTUQtODMgKE=Avpr%20cnvag%20wbo%21%20Unf%20orra%20zbqvsvrq%20jvgu%20jvatyrgf%20naq%20Wniryva%20fyvccre%20gnaxf.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=581&NEb25uZWxs=2001-01-25%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=11354&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22UC-1415%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=NEXTID&size=M
Third one:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=502324&WxsIERv=Ebpxjryy%20690O%20Gheob%20Pbzznaqre&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Va%20Syvtug&ERDLTkt=Irarmhryn&ktODMp=Wnahnel%2020%2C%202004&BP=0&WNEb25u=Wbetr%20bccraurvzre&xsIERvdWdsY=LI-1050C&MgTUQtODMgKE=Cvpgher%20gnxra%20juvyr%20va%20syvtug%20gb%20Pnenpnf%20sebz%20nabgure%20Pbzznaqre&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=4095&NEb25uZWxs=2004-02-01%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=11443&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2Cerznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%20NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22Pbzznaqre%22%20%2B%22LI-%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=9&prev_id=504194&next_id=404023&size=M
Hope to see the new paint at he Fly-In!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
|
| Hello all,
|
| My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
| repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
| will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
|
| I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
| Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
| happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
| experience?
|
| I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
| and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
| stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
| That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
| although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
| now.
|
| I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
| "classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
| photos with schemes that I like:
|
| http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
|
| http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
| (especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
| tail)
|
| Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
| anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
| worth the trip.
|
| Thanks,
| Stan Perkins
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> |
| Subject: | Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
No, I'm getting to old to remember and apparently fly anymore. But I was
impressed with the guys in Devine. Their shop would scare you but the work
was exceptional. I would highly recommend them.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Buddy & Stan,
N3820C before its demise had a nice paint job too.
Buddy, I think we chatted to the owner of it (Robert Kupetz) at Dayton one
year and I think South Texas Aircraft Refinishers painted his 680E too.
Do you remember it?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
|
| Try South Texas Aircraft Refinishers in Devine, Texas. 1997 prices for my
| 560e were approx. the same as your quote out of Arkansas. They did a
great
| job on mine.
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
|
|
| Hello all,
|
| My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
| repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
will
| do good quality work at a reasonable price.
|
| I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
| Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
happy
| with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good experience?
|
| I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
and
| repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with stainless,
and
| changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!) That price sounds
| extremely reasonable considering all that was done, although the quote was
| from 1997 and prices have probably increased by now.
|
| I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a "classic"
| Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some photos with
| schemes that I like:
|
| http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
|
| http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
| (especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
| tail)
|
| Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
| anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
worth
| the trip.
|
| Thanks,
| Stan Perkins
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
I owned it when it was in New Iberia. It was my first airplane and I regret
selling it. It spent time in Houma at Royal Aviation for oil changes and 50
hour inspections, but it lived in New Iberia. The two C-180 have a very
similar paint scheme, but it ain't the same.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
bertberry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
Hey Bill,
I use to see 55BZ at (ARA) New Iberia, La, I guess before you bought it.
Its a great looking Commander. I believe it was in (HUM) Houma, La before
that. Haven't scene it in a while, wondered what had happen to it.
Bert Berry
-----Original Message-----
From: William Boelte <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
<n55bz@cox-internet.com>
I have since had two C-180's re-painted by the same shop. You can see them
on the Controller web site or on Gary Gadberry' web site they are N2727K and
N63638 each cost approx $8,600.00 to re-paint. The interiors were done at
Pettit Jean field in Morrilton AR.and cost about the same.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: Commander-List: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
Hello all,
My squawk list on my 681 is finally down to one last big item: "exterior
repainting" and so I'm looking for some recommendations for a shop that
will do good quality work at a reasonable price.
I read John Vormbaum's fairly recent post about having taken his 500B to
Malden, MO for painting. John, now that all is said and done, are you
happy with the job? Other than the inevitable delays, was it a good
experience?
I also found Bill Boelte's post about a shop in Ozark, AR that stripped
and repainted his 500B, replaced all the exterior fasteners with
stainless, and changed all the control surface bearings for $11,700(!)
That price sounds extremely reasonable considering all that was done,
although the quote was from 1997 and prices have probably increased by
now.
I'm also considering a few paint scheme ideas. I'm looking for a
"classic" Commander design, but perhaps with a few tweaks. Here are some
photos with schemes that I like:
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo6_hi.htm
http://www.twincommander.com/multimedia/photos/photo18_hi.htm
(especially the one in the background-I like the horizontal bands on the
tail)
Any opinions? I'm in San Diego, but am willing to fly the plane almost
anywhere (domestically) if the quality and price of the work makes it
worth the trip.
Thanks,
Stan Perkins
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Confirmation: it IS Kracon |
I had my 560E painted locally in GA, and one of the big reasons was so I
could go back and get little things corrected. Everyone I have talked to
has had to go back for little things, a slight run or droop or they didn't
paint behind the hinge, whatever, but I highly recommend you consider the
time and money you might spend on going back and getting something redone.
Over all, now I am happy, but it wasn't cheap, I paid 15.5 with a total
paint strip and treatment, all the upper wing and fuselage sealed some
dings on the wing leading surface fixed, stainless steel fasteners and the
leading edges covered with some kind of tape to stop the bugs and chips.
But now I am happy, but did have to be FIRM on a couple of items. It
always runs into more money I am convinced. But after its over, you need
to be happy with the results, then you forget the added costs.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/31/2005 2:09:27 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Confirmation: it IS Kracon
>
>
> Hi Stan,
>
> I just confirmed via my friend that Kracon, 916-645-1614, is the paint
shop
> that has such a good rep at LHM.
>
> /John
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Frozen Rudder Trim |
>What usually happens with the rudder trim and elevator trim is that the
actuators get moisture in them.
If the actuators are removed cleaned and filled with Aeroshell 22 grease
they will go a few years until the problem resurfaces.
As for the breather freezing over that needs to be addressed right away,
either the kit that puts the breather in the overboard exhaust stream, a
whistle slot in the warm area of the cowling, or an arrangement similar to
the
MR RPM conversions with the breather in the cooling air outlet of the cowl
flaps.
Regards
Mike
Commander NW LTD>
Thanks Mike. I just found a pair of the vent tubes that exit in the exhaust
stream that were part of the SL137A kit issued back in 1963. I'm not flying
again until I get these installed. I can't believe that this plane has
gotten away without this modification for so long!
I will try your advise about packing the rudder and elevator trim actuators
with grease. That makes a lot of sense.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
I thank everyone for all of the good advice about paint shops and the
paint scheme suggestions. The point is very well taken about being
geographically close enough to the paint shop to be able to keep and eye
on the process. That being the case, I think that I'll be calling Kracon
very soon!
I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress.
Regards,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
Stan,
I can also highly recommend Kracon in Lincoln CA. I had them paint my
Cardinal RG back in 1996. They completely stripped it, did some minor ding
fixes on the stabilator, and painted it with three color Immeron paint. They
have an arrangement with a shop next door to remove and balance all the
control surfaces after the painting too.
I designed my own custom scheme. I roughly drew it out on paper for them
initially, then they came up with some suggestions too. They allowed me to
actually draw, in the presence of the guy that was going to do all the
masking, my scheme right on the airplane so we both knew exactly what I
wanted. It turned out beautifully, and I never needed to make a return trip.
Their quote was in the average to low side of others I had gotten. It was
featured in a few magazine articles and was on the cover of a couple.
I just sold this plane in January, and the purchaser was convinced that it
must have just been painted. When the airplane kitty has some more money in
it, that is where I will likely get my 500B painted. Please let us know how
the quote you and what their scheduling delays are.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Hello again all,
Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon
as well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are
based on the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip,
ScotchBrite, do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and
paint with one base coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can
be large variations in the quality and completeness of any and all of
these steps, and that's why I'm asking for your opinions!
Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time
to complete the work:
Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8 weeks
Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8 weeks
Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5 weeks
Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5 weeks
It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price,
and all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings
should more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and
pick-up, as well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look
in person from time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week
quote from Aircraft Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak
to the quality of their work and their experience.
Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but
the reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job,
although nice, would probably be overkill.
Thanks,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Stan,
Just so you have a frame of reference, I paid $22,500 for paint & leather
interior, of which $14,500 was quoted as the paint portion. Of course that
was pretty far east, in eastern Missouri. And a 500B is a bit smaller than a
681.
Hangar space is so expensive here in CA, I'm not surprised the 2 CA shops
want that much money.
I'd give the guys in Tucson a look...they're close, and the price seems
pretty reasonable!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
> Hello again all,
>
> Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon
> as well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are
> based on the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip,
> ScotchBrite, do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and
> paint with one base coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can
> be large variations in the quality and completeness of any and all of
> these steps, and that's why I'm asking for your opinions!
>
> Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time
> to complete the work:
>
> Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8
weeks
>
> Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8
weeks
>
> Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5
weeks
>
> Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
>
> Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
>
> Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5
weeks
>
> It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price,
> and all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings
> should more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and
> pick-up, as well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look
> in person from time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week
> quote from Aircraft Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak
> to the quality of their work and their experience.
>
> Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but
> the reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
> California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job,
> although nice, would probably be overkill.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Hi Guys,
There is a paint shop at Santa Maria Airport (SMX) which does a pretty good
job, with reasonable prices. They are not "museum quality", but seem to do
a pretty decent job from the aircraft that I have seen come from their shop.
The name is "Art Craft" phone 805 925 5934. I will most likely check them
out for a paint job on my 680F within a year or so.
Good luck.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
Stan,
Just so you have a frame of reference, I paid $22,500 for paint & leather
interior, of which $14,500 was quoted as the paint portion. Of course that
was pretty far east, in eastern Missouri. And a 500B is a bit smaller than a
681.
Hangar space is so expensive here in CA, I'm not surprised the 2 CA shops
want that much money.
I'd give the guys in Tucson a look...they're close, and the price seems
pretty reasonable!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
> Hello again all,
>
> Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon
> as well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are
> based on the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip,
> ScotchBrite, do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and
> paint with one base coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can
> be large variations in the quality and completeness of any and all of
> these steps, and that's why I'm asking for your opinions!
>
> Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time
> to complete the work:
>
> Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8
weeks
>
> Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8
weeks
>
> Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5
weeks
>
> Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
>
> Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
>
> Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5
weeks
>
> It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price,
> and all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings
> should more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and
> pick-up, as well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look
> in person from time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week
> quote from Aircraft Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak
> to the quality of their work and their experience.
>
> Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but
> the reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
> California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job,
> although nice, would probably be overkill.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Folks,
I just sent the following message to governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. If
might be futile, but let's see what his office says.
Nico
Dear Governor,
I copied below the contents of an email-exchange between pilots, one of whom
is considering doing business in California.
It is evident that California will lose this business solely based on the
high cost of doing business here.
If the socialist character of this state does not change soon and then very
dramatically, the damage to the economy may be very hard, if not impossible,
to repair.
Please keep the pressure on those who wish to impose a socialist government
on the people against their will. Also please keep the public informed on
your work and the obstacles you face. The people can rectify the wrongs at
the ballot box if they are informed.
Sincerely,
Nico van Niekerk
Calabasas, California.
START MESSAGE--------------------
Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
Stan,
Just so you have a frame of reference, I paid $22,500 for paint & leather
interior, of which $14,500 was quoted as the paint portion. Of course that
was pretty far east, in eastern Missouri. And a 500B is a bit smaller than a
681.
Hangar space is so expensive here in CA, I'm not surprised the 2 CA shops
want that much money.
I'd give the guys in Tucson a look...they're close, and the price seems
pretty reasonable!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
Hello again all,
Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon as
well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are based on
the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip, ScotchBrite,
do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and paint with one base
coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can be large variations in
the quality and completeness of any and all of these steps, and that's why
I'm asking for your opinions!
Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time to
complete the work:
Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8 weeks
Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8 weeks
Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5 weeks
Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5 weeks
It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price, and
all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings should
more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and pick-up, as
well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look in person from
time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week quote from Aircraft
Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak to the quality of their
work and their experience.
Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but the
reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job, although
nice, would probably be overkill.
Thanks,
Stan
END MESSAGE----------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Stan,
For aircraft I may be way off base now, but several years ago when I was
having my 40ft race car rig painted, the really good paint had been outlawed
in California, but the "good stuff" was available in Arizona, Nevada, and
Texas. You might want to inquire about this. If the material is the same
we find that the "Back East" guys usually have about a 20% cost advantage
over those of us who manufacture here in Southern California.
Best regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
> Hello again all,
>
> Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon
> as well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are
> based on the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip,
> ScotchBrite, do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and
> paint with one base coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can
> be large variations in the quality and completeness of any and all of
> these steps, and that's why I'm asking for your opinions!
>
> Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time
> to complete the work:
>
> Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8
weeks
>
> Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8
weeks
>
> Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5
weeks
>
> Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
>
> Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
>
> Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5
weeks
>
> It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price,
> and all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings
> should more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and
> pick-up, as well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look
> in person from time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week
> quote from Aircraft Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak
> to the quality of their work and their experience.
>
> Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but
> the reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
> California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job,
> although nice, would probably be overkill.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Nico,
You should have mentioned also that you're 6'8" tall and 315 lbs too.
Otherwise I think Ahhnold won't be scared!
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
> Folks,
> I just sent the following message to governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. If
> might be futile, but let's see what his office says.
> Nico
>
>
> Dear Governor,
>
> I copied below the contents of an email-exchange between pilots, one of
whom
> is considering doing business in California.
>
> It is evident that California will lose this business solely based on the
> high cost of doing business here.
>
> If the socialist character of this state does not change soon and then
very
> dramatically, the damage to the economy may be very hard, if not
impossible,
> to repair.
>
> Please keep the pressure on those who wish to impose a socialist
government
> on the people against their will. Also please keep the public informed on
> your work and the obstacles you face. The people can rectify the wrongs at
> the ballot box if they are informed.
> Sincerely,
> Nico van Niekerk
> Calabasas, California.
>
>
> START MESSAGE--------------------
>
>
> Stan,
>
> Just so you have a frame of reference, I paid $22,500 for paint & leather
> interior, of which $14,500 was quoted as the paint portion. Of course that
> was pretty far east, in eastern Missouri. And a 500B is a bit smaller than
a
> 681.
>
> Hangar space is so expensive here in CA, I'm not surprised the 2 CA shops
> want that much money.
>
> I'd give the guys in Tucson a look...they're close, and the price seems
> pretty reasonable!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
>
> Hello again all,
>
> Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon as
> well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are based on
> the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip,
ScotchBrite,
> do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and paint with one
base
> coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can be large variations in
> the quality and completeness of any and all of these steps, and that's why
> I'm asking for your opinions!
>
> Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time to
> complete the work:
>
> Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8 weeks
> Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8 weeks
> Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5 weeks
> Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
> Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
> Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5 weeks
>
> It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price, and
> all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings should
> more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and pick-up,
as
> well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look in person from
> time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week quote from Aircraft
> Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak to the quality of
their
> work and their experience.
>
> Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but
the
> reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
> California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job,
although
> nice, would probably be overkill.
>
> Thanks,
> Stan
>
>
> END MESSAGE----------------------
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
John,
What he doesn't know is that I, too, have an illuminating, blinking red eye.
(From good red wine, mind you, which I won't tell him of course.)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
> Nico,
>
> You should have mentioned also that you're 6'8" tall and 315 lbs too.
> Otherwise I think Ahhnold won't be scared!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
>
>
> >
> > Folks,
> > I just sent the following message to governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. If
> > might be futile, but let's see what his office says.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > Dear Governor,
> >
> > I copied below the contents of an email-exchange between pilots, one of
> whom
> > is considering doing business in California.
> >
> > It is evident that California will lose this business solely based on
the
> > high cost of doing business here.
> >
> > If the socialist character of this state does not change soon and then
> very
> > dramatically, the damage to the economy may be very hard, if not
> impossible,
> > to repair.
> >
> > Please keep the pressure on those who wish to impose a socialist
> government
> > on the people against their will. Also please keep the public informed
on
> > your work and the obstacles you face. The people can rectify the wrongs
at
> > the ballot box if they are informed.
> > Sincerely,
> > Nico van Niekerk
> > Calabasas, California.
> >
> >
> > START MESSAGE--------------------
> >
> >
> > Stan,
> >
> > Just so you have a frame of reference, I paid $22,500 for paint &
leather
> > interior, of which $14,500 was quoted as the paint portion. Of course
that
> > was pretty far east, in eastern Missouri. And a 500B is a bit smaller
than
> a
> > 681.
> >
> > Hangar space is so expensive here in CA, I'm not surprised the 2 CA
shops
> > want that much money.
> >
> > I'd give the guys in Tucson a look...they're close, and the price seems
> > pretty reasonable!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
> >
> >
> > Hello again all,
> >
> > Based on the many comments and suggestions I received, I phoned Kracon
as
> > well as five other paint shops to get quotes. All the quotes are based
on
> > the following work being done: remove the plastic parts, strip,
> ScotchBrite,
> > do minor sheet metal repairs, Alodine, epoxy prime, and paint with one
> base
> > coat and two trim colors. I realize that there can be large variations
in
> > the quality and completeness of any and all of these steps, and that's
why
> > I'm asking for your opinions!
> >
> > Here's a brief summary of the quotes for my 681 and the estimated time
to
> > complete the work:
> >
> > Kracon (Lincoln, CA) $29,000 6-8 weeks
> > Flying Kolors (Riverside, CA) $25,000 8 weeks
> > Premier Aviation (Tucson, AZ) $18,500 4-5 weeks
> > Kenedy Aircraft Painting (Kenedy, TX) $17,500 4-5 weeks
> > Aircraft Refinishers (Devine, TX) $16,500 3 weeks
> > Avsource West (Midland, TX) $15,500 4-5 weeks
> >
> > It would appear that the farther east one goes, the cheaper the price,
and
> > all other things being equal--which they never are--those savings should
> > more than pay for the additional fuel required for delivery and pick-up,
> as
> > well as a few round-trip airline tickets to go have a look in person
from
> > time to time. I'm a little skeptical of the three week quote from
Aircraft
> > Refinishers, yet the photos on their web site speak to the quality of
> their
> > work and their experience.
> >
> > Finally, I want the best quality and value for my money (of course) but
> the
> > reality is that it the plane will be tied down outside in Southern
> > California and used fairly frequently. A museum quality paint job,
> although
> > nice, would probably be overkill.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Stan
> >
> >
> > END MESSAGE----------------------
> >
> >
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
I will through my two cents in on a paint shop. Kevin Miller at (RBD) Dallas
Executive, cell phone 214 906 5954. I don't have a shop number or name but
he has painted several B-737's and does the painting for the CAP here in
Texas. He is a good guy, is in the USCG AUX and is a QB.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
I thank everyone for all of the good advice about paint shops and the
paint scheme suggestions. The point is very well taken about being
geographically close enough to the paint shop to be able to keep and eye
on the process. That being the case, I think that I'll be calling Kracon
very soon!
I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress.
Regards,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
> (From good red wine, mind you, which I won't tell him of course.)
> Nico
Must be a KWV Roodeberg, eh Nico?!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
My .02 Cents worth, If he is in the USCG AUX and a QB he can't be all bad.
Jerry Sprayberry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
>
>
> I will through my two cents in on a paint shop. Kevin Miller at (RBD)
> Dallas
> Executive, cell phone 214 906 5954. I don't have a shop number or name but
> he has painted several B-737's and does the painting for the CAP here in
> Texas. He is a good guy, is in the USCG AUX and is a QB.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stan
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
>
>
> I thank everyone for all of the good advice about paint shops and the
> paint scheme suggestions. The point is very well taken about being
> geographically close enough to the paint shop to be able to keep and eye
> on the process. That being the case, I think that I'll be calling Kracon
> very soon!
>
> I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress.
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop |
I have seen some of the CAP paint jobs and they were good. What have you
been up to Jerry?
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint
shop
My .02 Cents worth, If he is in the USCG AUX and a QB he can't be all bad.
Jerry Sprayberry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
>
>
> I will through my two cents in on a paint shop. Kevin Miller at (RBD)
> Dallas
> Executive, cell phone 214 906 5954. I don't have a shop number or name but
> he has painted several B-737's and does the painting for the CAP here in
> Texas. He is a good guy, is in the USCG AUX and is a QB.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stan
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Need recommendations for a good paint shop
>
>
> I thank everyone for all of the good advice about paint shops and the
> paint scheme suggestions. The point is very well taken about being
> geographically close enough to the paint shop to be able to keep and eye
> on the process. That being the case, I think that I'll be calling Kracon
> very soon!
>
> I'll be sure to keep everyone posted on my progress.
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Found several paint shops--need opinions |
Hey, Andrew.
Man, do I miss a good Roodeberg!
How's your book selling?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Found several paint shops--need opinions
>
> > (From good red wine, mind you, which I won't tell him of course.)
> > Nico
>
> Must be a KWV Roodeberg, eh Nico?!
>
>
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I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently, mainly
looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the database.
Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown Field
Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister 'plane
too!
If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's all
about.
Here's the link:
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQZ%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WNEb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZWxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
Best Regards to ALl,
Barry C (UK)
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
It looks as if someone pulled it off his surf board.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
mainly
> looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the database.
>
> Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
Field
> Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
>
> Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
'plane
> too!
>
> If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
all
> about.
>
> Here's the link:
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
>
> Best Regards to ALl,
> Barry C (UK)
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
What's more disturbing than how ugly that winglet looks is that I can't see
the placard "EXPERIMENTAL" on the airplane.
Surley, this is not STC'd.
The only thing I can offer up, Sir Barry, is that I've seen other in-progress
mods based at KSDM. Last one was a hush kit on a Gulfstream II parked there.
Nice could be right, though. Given it's San Diego, it could be a surf board
shaper's extra credit project.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Mason,
Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
MM, WILL CK LOGS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Mason,
Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
To: "commander-list" >
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD JENNINGS
A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO SPECIALTIES
IN VAN NUYS. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Mason,
Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
To: "commander-list" >
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Hi Moe & Mason,
Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
|
| MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD JENNINGS
A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO
SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
|
|
>
|
| Mason,
|
| Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize that
| anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
|
| Regards,
|
| Moe
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| To: "commander-list"
>
| Subject: Commander-List:
|
|
>
| >
| > NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109 MR
| RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190 PROP
| 30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
| REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
| SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED TO
| 5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G 330
| W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
| ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
| 700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6 PLACE
| EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
| > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER 817-877-4977
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Barry,
Thank you very much for the information concerning the overhead windows.
Dick and I talk ever now and again. We have done some experimental pistons
for him, so I know how to contact him.
Regards
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Moe & Mason,
>
> Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
>
> Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
> installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
>
> STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
>
> Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> |
> | MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD
JENNINGS
> A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY
AERO
> SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> | Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List:
> |
> |
> >
> |
> | Mason,
> |
> | Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize
that
> | anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
> |
> | Regards,
> |
> | Moe
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
> | To: "commander-list"
> >
> | Subject: Commander-List:
> |
> |
> >
> | >
> | > NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109
MR
> | RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190
PROP
> | 30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
> | REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
> | SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER,
CONVERTED TO
> | 5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW
PANEL-G 330
> | W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C
ALT
> | ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE
SENSORS,JPI
> | 700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6
PLACE
> | EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
> | > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER
817-877-4977
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
Legal or not, it sure is ugly. Maybe its a gallon of extra fuel?
Rob
In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:37:01 AM Central Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> What's more disturbing than how ugly that winglet looks is that I can't see
>
> the placard "EXPERIMENTAL" on the airplane.
>
> Surley, this is not STC'd.
>
> The only thing I can offer up, Sir Barry, is that I've seen other
> in-progress
> mods based at KSDM. Last one was a hush kit on a Gulfstream II parked
> there.
>
> Nice could be right, though. Given it's San Diego, it could be a surf board
>
> shaper's extra credit project.
>
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
And the purpose of a winglet is lost if it's not properly designed, not so?
I mean shouldn't a winglet, in addition to being pretty, reduce wingtip
vortices which, in turn, reduces drag? Having a surfboard mounted upside
down on the wingtip could give better control in a heavy down pour, I guess.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>
> Legal or not, it sure is ugly. Maybe its a gallon of extra fuel?
> Rob
>
>
> In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:37:01 AM Central Standard Time,
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> > What's more disturbing than how ugly that winglet looks is that I can't
see
> >
> > the placard "EXPERIMENTAL" on the airplane.
> >
> > Surley, this is not STC'd.
> >
> > The only thing I can offer up, Sir Barry, is that I've seen other
> > in-progress
> > mods based at KSDM. Last one was a hush kit on a Gulfstream II parked
> > there.
> >
> > Nice could be right, though. Given it's San Diego, it could be a surf
board
> >
> > shaper's extra credit project.
> >
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | swperk(at)earthlink.net |
| Subject: | More questions about aircraft painting |
Hello yet again!
Although I had originally resigned myself to having my plane painted out-of-state
because the quotes from the two California shops were so high, now there's
a new wrinkle:
I spoke with Art Craft in Santa Maria, CA (KSMX) this morning, and their quote
was substantially lower than the other two CA shops at about $14k to $15K. It
sounds like they will do everything all of the other shops will do in terms of
prepping and painting.
Questions:
1) Has anyone had experience with Art Craft or have any info about the quality
of their work?
2) Because of California's restrictive environmental policies, specifically requiring
the use of low VOC paints and materials, will the quality and/or durability
of the paint be less than if I were to take the plane to a state with less
restrictive regulations, such as AZ or TX?
Thanks,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Weird winglet |
I was thinking an Airbus.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>
>
> It looks as if someone pulled it off his surf board.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
> mainly
>> looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
>> database.
>>
>> Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
> Field
>> Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
>>
>> Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
> 'plane
>> too!
>>
>> If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
> all
>> about.
>>
>> Here's the link:
>>
> www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> &WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
> Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
> R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
>>
>> Best Regards to ALl,
>> Barry C (UK)
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Barry,
IS The MR RPM STC for the short body commanders a different number than the
Long Body Commanders? I think the 680FP, 680F, and the 560F are on the same
number. I saw the drawings when I had access to them that included the Eye
brow windows.
Tylor Hall
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Moe & Mason,
Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
|
| MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD
JENNINGS
A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO
SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
|
|
>
|
| Mason,
|
| Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize
that
| anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
|
| Regards,
|
| Moe
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
| To: "commander-list"
>
| Subject: Commander-List:
|
|
>
| >
| > NOT APRIL FOOLS: FOR SALE N2001M '62 AERO COMMANDER 680FP #1208-109
MR
| RPM CONVERSION AS OF 3-1-05 3993TTAF, LE 590/52 PROP 50 SN RE 190
PROP
| 30 SN. 84" Q-TIP PROPS, SKYTECH HI SPEED STARTERS OCT '04 ANNUAL AND
| REFERB. MILLER NOSE, EYE BROW WINDOWS, RUDDER CAP, TAIL CONE, FLAP GAP
| SEALS, WINGLETS (LEGAL), CLEVELAND WHEELS & BRAKES, NEW RUBBER, CONVERTED
TO
| 5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G
330
| W/TIS,G 430, KN24,KX155,AVIDYNE EX500 MFD,CENTURY 2000 A/P W/EHSI, C ALT
| ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
| 700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6
PLACE
| EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
| > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER
817-877-4977
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
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Hello,
I read the Aero Commander web site postings daily. Lots of good knowledge
out there. I've also sent in questions before and found everyone helpful, and
have solved some problems as a result. I fly an Aero Commander 680 FL(P) for
a small company where I live. I hear folks talk about the overhead windows,
my plane has that. I read about the Mr. RPM Conversion, my plane has that.
I see pictures of the the outlining of the windshield glass, which looks so good
and I have that. I've seen comments about instrument panel design, I have
an instrument pane. I read about and see pictures of some great looking Commanders...mine
is too. I'm real lucky. Attached is a picture. If it doesn't
come thought here some one tell me and I'll try something else.
My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up. The
right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go. The maintenance guys
have tried everything, and have called Mr. RPM. His latest suggestion was
that the turbos might be bad. We sent them off and no, that was not the problem.
So far we have replaced all of the ducting, checked the exhaust ducting,
checked the turbo seal with the exhaust, checked the waste gates on both sides
for correct travel (both are the same) and replaced one cylinder on the right
engine that had a very low compression check. No change. We've also flow with
the bleed air valves closed with the same result. Pressurization on this
plane has never been very good, at 13,000' pressure altitude, cabin altitude
runs about 10,000' . Once we figure out the reason for the turbo lever difference,
we'll tackle the pressurization problem.
I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right where
the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem let
me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...they're out
of ideas at the moment, although they are going to call Mr. RPM again and note
that the turbos had a good report. Thanks to everyone for help in the past.
Any suggestion?
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Very nice account of your Commander, Ray. I liked the "you say that... I got
that" approach. Even the pressurization problem. The 680F(P) I flew some 25
odd years ago would dump its press at around 12K', then build it back up
again and dump it. Some folks on the list found the Commander weakness to be
around the rudder pedals, but I might be wrong.
The turbo problem, I don't know, except to say that I cannot remember seeing
a twin with the power controls nicely set alongside one another unless they
are 'to the wall' of course. You, however, seem to describe a more acute
separation. What happens if you push both controls to the wall - are you
getting a substantially higher MP reading on the one with the greater
travel? I am going out on a limb here but if you have one throttle cable
with more slack than the other, you would reach full throttle on the longer
cable before the one with the shorter cable. But, your boys must've looked
at that.
If you would send the pictures to me off the list I will publish them on my
website and let everyone take a look at it.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
> Hello,
>
> I read the Aero Commander web site postings daily. Lots of good
knowledge out there. I've also sent in questions before and found everyone
helpful, and have solved some problems as a result. I fly an Aero Commander
680 FL(P) for a small company where I live. I hear folks talk about the
overhead windows, my plane has that. I read about the Mr. RPM Conversion,
my plane has that. I see pictures of the the outlining of the windshield
glass, which looks so good and I have that. I've seen comments about
instrument panel design, I have an instrument pane. I read about and see
pictures of some great looking Commanders...mine is too. I'm real lucky.
Attached is a picture. If it doesn't come thought here some one tell me and
I'll try something else.
>
> My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match
up. The right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go. The
maintenance guys have tried everything, and have called Mr. RPM. His latest
suggestion was that the turbos might be bad. We sent them off and no, that
was not the problem. So far we have replaced all of the ducting, checked
the exhaust ducting, checked the turbo seal with the exhaust, checked the
waste gates on both sides for correct travel (both are the same) and
replaced one cylinder on the right engine that had a very low compression
check. No change. We've also flow with the bleed air valves closed with
the same result. Pressurization on this plane has never been very good, at
13,000' pressure altitude, cabin altitude runs about 10,000' . Once we
figure out the reason for the turbo lever difference, we'll tackle the
pressurization problem.
>
> I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
where the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the
problem let me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a
while...they're out of ideas at the moment, although they are going to call
Mr. RPM again and note that the turbos had a good report. Thanks to
everyone for help in the past. Any suggestion?
>
> Ray Mansfield
> N91ES
> Ft. Walton Beach, FL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
In a message dated 04-Apr-05 20:10:57 Pacific Daylight Time, hcourier(at)cox.net
writes:
My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up. The
right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go.
Ray,
What is your Manifold pressure when this happens?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
I usually run about 25.75" MAP and 2300 RPM and 20 GPH each engine at that
altitude. CHT about 180-200 degrees C. Lately the right turbo lever hits
the stop and I sometimes can't quite get 25.75" MAP on the right engine, so
I have to settle with what I get and adjust the left engine to match.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
> In a message dated 04-Apr-05 20:10:57 Pacific Daylight Time,
> hcourier(at)cox.net
> writes:
> My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up.
> The
> right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go.
> Ray,
>
> What is your Manifold pressure when this happens?
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? |
Hi all,
When I was renovating the interior in my 681 I decided that having two
pull-out tables in the back made the interior look more cramped and was
at least one more table than I really needed, so I reinstalled only one.
The remaining one is in good shape and essentially complete, but it
needs some TLC (light refinishing, perhaps a little gluing/mechanical
repair, and definitely some reupholstering). If anyone is interested in
this spare table and is willing to pay for shipping (it's not very
heavy) from San Diego, it's yours!
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Ray,
At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much higher
altitudes that you're flying at presently.
This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If you
hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad turbos,
waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? |
In a message dated 4/4/2005 9:03:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
swperk(at)earthlink.net writes:
If anyone is interested in
this spare table and is willing to pay for shipping (it's not very
heavy) from San Diego, it's yours!
HI STAN
I WANT IT!!! Tell me how much? THANKS!!!!!!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
By chance, being that you have checked just about everything else, could you
have a bad gauge or hose to the gauge?
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
Ray,
At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much higher
altitudes that you're flying at presently.
This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If
you
hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad turbos,
waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Hi Tylor,
I'm not certain which STC you mean! Do you mean the one for the eyebrow windows?
Or do you mean the ones for the MR. RPM conversion itself?
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
|
| Barry,
| IS The MR RPM STC for the short body commanders a different number than the
| Long Body Commanders? I think the 680FP, 680F, and the 560F are on the same
| number. I saw the drawings when I had access to them that included the Eye
| brow windows.
| Tylor Hall
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Moe & Mason,
|
| Edward Jennings signed off a lot of Dick MacCoon's mod. work.
|
| Like Mason's 680F(P), three others have had the cockpit overhead windows
| installed, in accordance with MR. RPM Drawing No. 54003.
|
| STC SA3322WE covers the 680FL & 680FLP, but not the 680F(P).
|
| Moe, if you want Dick's Email, I can pass it on to you.
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
|
|
||
|| MM, FOUND IT. AUG 1976, PER 43.13-1 & FAA 337 SIGNED OFF BY EDWARD
| JENNINGS
| A&P 2162927. IT WAS DONE AT SAME TIME MR RPM CONVERSION WAS DONE. BY AERO
| SPECIALTIES IN VAN NUYS. MASON
|| ----- Original Message -----
|| From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
|| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
|| Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:59 AM
|| Subject: Re: Commander-List:
||
||
| >
||
|| Mason,
||
|| Quick question.....who installed the Eye Brow Windows? Didn't realize
| that
|| anyone had an STC to install those on the early pressurized airframe.
||
|| Regards,
||
|| Moe
|| ----- Original Message -----
|| From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>>
|| To: "commander-list"
| >
|| Subject: Commander-List:
||
||
| >
|| >
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|| 5606, BLEED AIR PRESSURIZATION (NEW DUCTS),ELECTRIC A/C, ALL NEW PANEL-G
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|| ALERT & PRESELECT,EI DIGITAL FUEL FLOW & OIL GUAGES W/REMOTE SENSORS,JPI
|| 700'S,ALL AD'S UP TO DATE AND COMPLIED WITH, ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS, 6
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|| EXECUTIVE INTERIOR W/LAMBS WOOL ON PILOT AND CO-PILOT.
|| > PLEASE CALL ME IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST. MASON CHEVAILLIER
| 817-877-4977
|| >
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|
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|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Jim,
Thanks for the suggestion, but I suspect the gage is OK. If I even up
the turbo levers, the engines pull unevenly, trying to turn right, and the
MAP reflects that. It's a baffeling situation.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> By chance, being that you have checked just about everything else, could
> you
> have a bad gauge or hose to the gauge?
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> Ray,
>
> At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
>
> I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much
> higher
> altitudes that you're flying at presently.
>
> This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If
> you
> hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad
> turbos,
> waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
>
> Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Thanks. All suggestions are appreciated. It's got to be something we've
missed. Yes, our thinking here is not happening so good either.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
> Ray,
>
> At 10 - 13,000' your RayJays should be putting out all kinds of air.
>
> I've often suggested MR RPM operators use higher RPMs -- but at much
> higher
> altitudes that you're flying at presently.
>
> This is baffling because you've checked everything there is to check. If
> you
> hadn't already done what you've done I'd tell you that you have bad
> turbos,
> waste gates or leaks in your ducting.
>
> Am still trying to think (but nothing happens)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Hi Ray,
As a lot of guys on this chatlist know, I'm just a big fan of the Commander and
have no technical knowledge of how things like Turbochargers etc. work.
But what I do know is Dick MacCoon is a first-class engineer. I'm sure if your
guys call him again, he'll find the solution for you. I don't think there's a
better guy to talk to. He is an absolute mine of information.
I spent an afternoon and evening with Dick last September. I know that if anyone
has a problem with their "Turbo 800" Commander engines, Dick is more than happy
to help. I know that for a fact, he told me so himself!
Obviously, give Dick all the info you can, gauge readings, engine settings etc.
etc., and I'm very confident he'll get your Commander flying better than ever!
I'm not saying anyone else's suggestions are to be ignored, but Dick really is
the guy to talk to.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
|
| Hello,
|
| I read the Aero Commander web site postings daily. Lots of good knowledge
out there. I've also sent in questions before and found everyone helpful, and
have solved some problems as a result. I fly an Aero Commander 680 FL(P) for a
small company where I live. I hear folks talk about the overhead windows, my
plane has that. I read about the Mr. RPM Conversion, my plane has that. I see
pictures of the the outlining of the windshield glass, which looks so good and
I
have that. I've seen comments about instrument panel design, I have an
instrument pane. I read about and see pictures of some great looking
Commanders...mine is too. I'm real lucky. Attached is a picture. If it
doesn't come thought here some one tell me and I'll try something else.
|
| My problem. At about 10,000' - 13,000' the turbo levers don't match up.
The right is max forward and the left has a good ways to go. The maintenance
guys have tried everything, and have called Mr. RPM. His latest suggestion was
that the turbos might be bad. We sent them off and no, that was not the
problem. So far we have replaced all of the ducting, checked the exhaust
ducting, checked the turbo seal with the exhaust, checked the waste gates on
both sides for correct travel (both are the same) and replaced one cylinder on
the right engine that had a very low compression check. No change. We've also
flow with the bleed air valves closed with the same result. Pressurization on
this plane has never been very good, at 13,000' pressure altitude, cabin
altitude runs about 10,000' . Once we figure out the reason for the turbo lever
difference, we'll tackle the pressurization problem.
|
| I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
where the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem
let me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...they're
out of ideas at the moment, although they are going to call Mr. RPM again and
note that the turbos had a good report. Thanks to everyone for help in the
past. Any suggestion?
|
| Ray Mansfield
| N91ES
| Ft. Walton Beach, FL
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side table? |
well I want it also . lets open the bidding. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Is anyone looking for a Commander pull-out side
table?
In a message dated 4/4/2005 9:03:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
swperk(at)earthlink.net writes:
If anyone is interested in
this spare table and is willing to pay for shipping (it's not very
heavy) from San Diego, it's yours!
HI STAN
I WANT IT!!! Tell me how much? THANKS!!!!!!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Examine your wastegates very carefully check for warpage of the butterfly
valve and see what kind of gap you have in the valve with them fully closed.
Also I have seen the upper deck reference lines restricted at the fuel
injection nozzles. Remove them from the engine and see how much air they
will flow through each individual line. Also make sure the reference lines
are not touching the exhaust and have holes worn in them, they will dump
considerable boost if they have holes.
Regards
Mike
Commander NW LTD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Ray,
I tried to think and all I came up with was Nico's idea, more or less.
Let's look at the rigging of the turbo controlls.
I've had as much as a 3" MAP differential between (normally aspirated)
engines and it turned out to be the bushings on the throttle linkage that were
worn.
If you don't mind, to level the playing field, take your -FLP up to 10,000'
normally aspirated and check for MAP differential on the way up and after level
off.
If that's OK, then it's the turbo system; you've checked into the "hot"
components so then it may be controll cable / linkage.
Nico, keep thinking. I'm at a loss without your brain.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Hey Keith!
I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so
elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
I'd love to see it make a come-back. Always gives me a smile and wish I was
clever enough to come up with something like that!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
|
| Ray,
|
| I tried to think and all I came up with was Nico's idea, more or less.
|
| Let's look at the rigging of the turbo controlls.
|
| I've had as much as a 3" MAP differential between (normally aspirated)
| engines and it turned out to be the bushings on the throttle linkage that were
worn.
|
| If you don't mind, to level the playing field, take your -FLP up to 10,000'
| normally aspirated and check for MAP differential on the way up and after
level
| off.
|
| If that's OK, then it's the turbo system; you've checked into the "hot"
| components so then it may be controll cable / linkage.
|
| Nico, keep thinking. I'm at a loss without your brain.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Or, the package said 'use XP or better, so I bought a Mac.'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hey Keith!
>
> I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less
so
> elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
>
> I'd love to see it make a come-back. Always gives me a smile and wish I
was
> clever enough to come up with something like that!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> |
> | Ray,
> |
> | I tried to think and all I came up with was Nico's idea, more or less.
> |
> | Let's look at the rigging of the turbo controlls.
> |
> | I've had as much as a 3" MAP differential between (normally aspirated)
> | engines and it turned out to be the bushings on the throttle linkage
that were
> worn.
> |
> | If you don't mind, to level the playing field, take your -FLP up to
10,000'
> | normally aspirated and check for MAP differential on the way up and
after
> level
> | off.
> |
> | If that's OK, then it's the turbo system; you've checked into the "hot"
> | components so then it may be controll cable / linkage.
> |
> | Nico, keep thinking. I'm at a loss without your brain.
> |
> | Wing Commander Gordon
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
In a message dated 05-Apr-05 08:59:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so
elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
Sir Barry,
It was taken off in mourning over the loss of your status as an employee.
The grieving period is over now.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Thanks Mike. I'm printing everyone's suggestions to give to my maintenance
folks. I made a suggestion similar to yours last week, although yours is
more specific and comes from experience. Maintenance hasn't looked at that
idea yet. Having some else suggest the same thing may get them looking more
quickly.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
> Examine your wastegates very carefully check for warpage of the butterfly
> valve and see what kind of gap you have in the valve with them fully
> closed.
> Also I have seen the upper deck reference lines restricted at the fuel
> injection nozzles. Remove them from the engine and see how much air they
> will flow through each individual line. Also make sure the reference lines
> are not touching the exhaust and have holes worn in them, they will dump
> considerable boost if they have holes.
>
> Regards
> Mike
> Commander NW LTD
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Another Weird winglet ! |
Hi again,
I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been installed.
This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in California.
Check it out at the following link:
www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
Have I missed something?
Barry C (UK)
Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi guys,
|
| I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
mainly
| looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the database.
|
| Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown Field
| Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
|
| Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
'plane
| too!
|
| If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's all
| about.
|
| Here's the link:
|
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQZ%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WNEb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZWxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
|
| Best Regards to ALl,
| Barry C (UK)
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Now our dear WCG!
Since when did the TCFG promulgate protocols re feeling sorry for a member
who publicly announces retirement???
Spinning upside down...
Russell
On 6/4/05 3:16 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> In a message dated 05-Apr-05 08:59:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so
> elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
> Sir Barry,
>
> It was taken off in mourning over the loss of your status as an employee.
>
> The grieving period is over now.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Another Weird winglet ! |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Sir Barry!
How much "space" do you suppose living on the edge of a surfboard might
require...therein lies the lesson on the newly discovered winglet!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 6/4/05 11:17 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi again,
>
> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
> installed.
>
> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in California.
>
> Check it out at the following link:
> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
>
> Have I missed something?
>
> Barry C (UK)
> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> |
> | Hi guys,
> |
> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
> mainly
> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the database.
> |
> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown Field
> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> |
> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
> 'plane
> | too!
> |
> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's all
> | about.
> |
> | Here's the link:
> |
> www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre&W
> dsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQZ%20
> %2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WNEb25u>
NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZWxs=2002
> -10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURER%20%20%28
> nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cub
> gb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
> |
> | Best Regards to ALl,
> | Barry C (UK)
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
I think he really meant "it was taken off ON THE MORNING OF the loss of your
status as an employee."
He is forgiven. It's a sign of premature ageing!
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England (UK)
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
|
| Now our dear WCG!
|
| Since when did the TCFG promulgate protocols re feeling sorry for a member
| who publicly announces retirement???
|
| Spinning upside down...
|
| Russell
|
|
| On 6/4/05 3:16 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
|
| >
| > In a message dated 05-Apr-05 08:59:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
| > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
| > I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so
| > elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
| > Sir Barry,
| >
| > It was taken off in mourning over the loss of your status as an employee.
| >
| > The grieving period is over now.
| >
| > Wing Commander Gordon
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Or, "the time you spend wondering where you ever found time for work."
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> I think he really meant "it was taken off ON THE MORNING OF the loss of
your
> status as an employee."
>
> He is forgiven. It's a sign of premature ageing!
>
> Barry Collman
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
> High Wycombe, England (UK)
> "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russell Legg" <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> |
> | Now our dear WCG!
> |
> | Since when did the TCFG promulgate protocols re feeling sorry for a
member
> | who publicly announces retirement???
> |
> | Spinning upside down...
> |
> | Russell
> |
> |
> | On 6/4/05 3:16 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
> |
> | >
> | > In a message dated 05-Apr-05 08:59:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
> | > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> | > I haven't seen you using the "Life is not simple anywhere. Probably
less so
> | > elsewhere." slogan at the end of your postings since early February.
> | > Sir Barry,
> | >
> | > It was taken off in mourning over the loss of your status as an
employee.
> | >
> | > The grieving period is over now.
> | >
> | > Wing Commander Gordon
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Weird winglet ! |
Gents:
Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to go to
www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi again,
>
> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
installed.
>
> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
California.
>
> Check it out at the following link:
> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
>
> Have I missed something?
>
> Barry C (UK)
> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> |
> | Hi guys,
> |
> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
> mainly
> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
database.
> |
> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
Field
> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> |
> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
> 'plane
> | too!
> |
> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
all
> | about.
> |
> | Here's the link:
> |
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
> |
> | Best Regards to ALl,
> | Barry C (UK)
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Another Weird winglet ! |
Hi Moe,
It opened OK for me when I tried the link from the email I sent.
It also opened OK from the one on your reply.
Spooky!
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
|
| Gents:
|
| Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to go to
| www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
|
| Moe Mills
| N680RR
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi again,
| >
| > I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
| installed.
| >
| > This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
| California.
| >
| > Check it out at the following link:
| > www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
| >
| > Have I missed something?
| >
| > Barry C (UK)
| > Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| > To:
| > Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
| >
| >
| > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| > |
| > | Hi guys,
| > |
| > | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net recently,
| > mainly
| > | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
| database.
| > |
| > | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
| Field
| > | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
| > |
| > | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a sister
| > 'plane
| > | too!
| > |
| > | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
| all
| > | about.
| > |
| > | Here's the link:
| > |
| >
| www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
| &WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
| Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
| Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
| Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
| R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
| E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
| > |
| > | Best Regards to ALl,
| > | Barry C (UK)
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Weird winglet ! |
That happened to me the first time as well.
Tom F.
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
> Gents:
>
> Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to go
to
> www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
> installed.
> >
> > This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
> California.
> >
> > Check it out at the following link:
> > www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> >
> > Have I missed something?
> >
> > Barry C (UK)
> > Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> >
> >
> > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > |
> > | Hi guys,
> > |
> > | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
recently,
> > mainly
> > | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
> database.
> > |
> > | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
> Field
> > | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> > |
> > | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a
sister
> > 'plane
> > | too!
> > |
> > | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what
it's
> all
> > | about.
> > |
> > | Here's the link:
> > |
> >
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
>
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
>
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
>
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
>
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
>
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
> > |
> > | Best Regards to ALl,
> > | Barry C (UK)
> > |
> > |
> > | --
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > | --
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | swperk(at)earthlink.net |
| Subject: | Aircraft painting in CA |
Hi Moe,
Thanks for your info about paint formulations in CA.
Yesterday I spoke to an aircraft painter who had worked in CA for 18 years until
the restrictions became too severe, forcing him to relocate to AZ a few years
ago. He told me that the major restriction in CA these days is on the stripping
agents, not the paints themselves. He said that solvent-based (as opposed
to water-based) paints are still okay to use in CA, but that they must be "high-solids"
paints and it was his opinion that the idiosyncracies of these new paints
aren't as well understood as they are for the older paints. He observed
that the proper temperature and humidity levels are much more critical to getting
a good result with high-solids paints, and that not all paint shops can control
conditions that closely.
As far as paint strippers, the really nasty ones have been outlawed in CA, and
peroxide-based strippers are currently the ones approved for use. Ironically,
even though the "nasty" chemicals would be okay for this painter to use in AZ,
he uses peroxide-based strippers by choice because he likes them better. Also
(ironically) he uses a high-solids content primer because he prefers the quality
of the painting surface it leaves. Go figure!
So the bottom line is that the paints in CA may not be any better or worse than
those used elsewhere, but it defnitely is very dependent on the quality of the
paint shop itself.
Lastly, he and another local aircraft painter said I should avoid Imron paint at
all costs and go with JetGlo.
The shop in Santa Maria sounds promising, but I'll be asking a few more questions
before I make my final decision.
Do you have an opinion about the durability and finish quality of high-solids paints
versus the more traditional formulations?
Regards,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: High Solids Paints |
High Solids Paints are really just "low solvent" paints......the lower
solvent levels satisfy the EPA (or CARB as the state equivalent), but dramatically
impact flow and leveling of the paint. This is true even in spray applications.
A "high solids" job, even one that is properly applied will have a slight
orange peel look...this would be generally undesirable as an outcome with older
generation "high solvent" coatings but are a fact of life with the new
generation paints.
Jim
Seattle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aircraft painting in CA |
Hi Stan,
Thankfully, I have not had anything major painted in about seven years now,
so all of my experience is very dated. Since I plan to repaint next year,
your project is interesting to me. Like you, my bird is in the Southern
California sun, and close to the ocean, so durability is more important than
"concourse de elegance" quality.
Moe
M680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft painting in CA
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> Thanks for your info about paint formulations in CA.
>
> Yesterday I spoke to an aircraft painter who had worked in CA for 18 years
until the restrictions became too severe, forcing him to relocate to AZ a
few years ago. He told me that the major restriction in CA these days is on
the stripping agents, not the paints themselves. He said that solvent-based
(as opposed to water-based) paints are still okay to use in CA, but that
they must be "high-solids" paints and it was his opinion that the
idiosyncracies of these new paints aren't as well understood as they are for
the older paints. He observed that the proper temperature and humidity
levels are much more critical to getting a good result with high-solids
paints, and that not all paint shops can control conditions that closely.
>
> As far as paint strippers, the really nasty ones have been outlawed in CA,
and peroxide-based strippers are currently the ones approved for use.
Ironically, even though the "nasty" chemicals would be okay for this painter
to use in AZ, he uses peroxide-based strippers by choice because he likes
them better. Also (ironically) he uses a high-solids content primer because
he prefers the quality of the painting surface it leaves. Go figure!
>
> So the bottom line is that the paints in CA may not be any better or worse
than those used elsewhere, but it defnitely is very dependent on the quality
of the paint shop itself.
>
> Lastly, he and another local aircraft painter said I should avoid Imron
paint at all costs and go with JetGlo.
>
> The shop in Santa Maria sounds promising, but I'll be asking a few more
questions before I make my final decision.
>
> Do you have an opinion about the durability and finish quality of
high-solids paints versus the more traditional formulations?
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Email from Russell |
Hi JimBob,
Did you get an Email from Russell with a Word .doc file regarding s/n 1 as an
attached file?
If so, could you open it OK?
When I opened the file, Word loaded up OK and so did the first page.
But I couldn't scroll down or do anything else at all.
Task Manager showed that the Word program was "not responding".
Tried several times, all with same result.
Eventually, it locked my PC up completely. Tried again after a re-boot, but
still no success.
Emailed Russell, but haven't heard back from him. I expect it's past his bedtime
down under.
But, if the file opened up for you OK, could you Email me a copy?
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Email from Russell |
What you could do is to Save As the file as .rtf instead of .doc which removes
most of Word's tags and simplifes the output. It still loads the same as if it
is a Word document, so you shouldn't see any differences in the formatting. Then
send it. If, however, you cannot open it to begin with, you need Russell to
resend it.
Barry, try to save it as .rtf before you do anything; perhaps Word can recover
the file for you.
Just a suggestion.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Email from Russell
>
> Hi JimBob,
>
> Did you get an Email from Russell with a Word .doc file regarding s/n 1 as an
> attached file?
>
> If so, could you open it OK?
>
> When I opened the file, Word loaded up OK and so did the first page.
> But I couldn't scroll down or do anything else at all.
> Task Manager showed that the Word program was "not responding".
>
> Tried several times, all with same result.
> Eventually, it locked my PC up completely. Tried again after a re-boot, but
> still no success.
> Emailed Russell, but haven't heard back from him. I expect it's past his bedtime
> down under.
>
> But, if the file opened up for you OK, could you Email me a copy?
>
> Sincere Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> --
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | swperk(at)earthlink.net |
| Subject: | Re: Aircraft painting in CA |
Hi Moe,
I've got a call out to the folks in Santa Maria but haven't heard back yet. I would
like to be able to see one or two examples of their work before I decide
whether to go with them or go out-of-state. I'll keep you posted!
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft painting in CA
Hi Stan,
Thankfully, I have not had anything major painted in about seven years now,
so all of my experience is very dated. Since I plan to repaint next year,
your project is interesting to me. Like you, my bird is in the Southern
California sun, and close to the ocean, so durability is more important than
"concourse de elegance" quality.
Moe
M680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Aircraft painting in CA
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> Thanks for your info about paint formulations in CA.
>
> Yesterday I spoke to an aircraft painter who had worked in CA for 18 years
until the restrictions became too severe, forcing him to relocate to AZ a
few years ago. He told me that the major restriction in CA these days is on
the stripping agents, not the paints themselves. He said that solvent-based
(as opposed to water-based) paints are still okay to use in CA, but that
they must be "high-solids" paints and it was his opinion that the
idiosyncracies of these new paints aren't as well understood as they are for
the older paints. He observed that the proper temperature and humidity
levels are much more critical to getting a good result with high-solids
paints, and that not all paint shops can control conditions that closely.
>
> As far as paint strippers, the really nasty ones have been outlawed in CA,
and peroxide-based strippers are currently the ones approved for use.
Ironically, even though the "nasty" chemicals would be okay for this painter
to use in AZ, he uses peroxide-based strippers by choice because he likes
them better. Also (ironically) he uses a high-solids content primer because
he prefers the quality of the painting surface it leaves. Go figure!
>
> So the bottom line is that the paints in CA may not be any better or worse
than those used elsewhere, but it defnitely is very dependent on the quality
of the paint shop itself.
>
> Lastly, he and another local aircraft painter said I should avoid Imron
paint at all costs and go with JetGlo.
>
> The shop in Santa Maria sounds promising, but I'll be asking a few more
questions before I make my final decision.
>
> Do you have an opinion about the durability and finish quality of
high-solids paints versus the more traditional formulations?
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another Weird winglet ! |
Yes,
That's the short answer
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
> Gents:
>
> Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to go
> to
> www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
>
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
> installed.
>>
>> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
> California.
>>
>> Check it out at the following link:
>> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
>>
>> Have I missed something?
>>
>> Barry C (UK)
>> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>> To:
>> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
>>
>>
>> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>> |
>> | Hi guys,
>> |
>> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
>> recently,
>> mainly
>> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
> database.
>> |
>> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
> Field
>> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
>> |
>> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a
>> sister
>> 'plane
>> | too!
>> |
>> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what it's
> all
>> | about.
>> |
>> | Here's the link:
>> |
>>
> www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> &WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
> Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
> R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
>> |
>> | Best Regards to ALl,
>> | Barry C (UK)
>> |
>> |
>> | --
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | --
>> |
>> |
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Well, this story hit the news:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
(Small twin?)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
> Yes,
>
> That's the short answer
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
>
> >
> > Gents:
> >
> > Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to go
> > to
> > www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
> >
> > Moe Mills
> > N680RR
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> >
> >
> > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >>
> >> Hi again,
> >>
> >> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
> > installed.
> >>
> >> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
> > California.
> >>
> >> Check it out at the following link:
> >> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> >>
> >> Have I missed something?
> >>
> >> Barry C (UK)
> >> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> >>
> >>
> >> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >> |
> >> | Hi guys,
> >> |
> >> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
> >> recently,
> >> mainly
> >> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
> > database.
> >> |
> >> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
> > Field
> >> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> >> |
> >> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a
> >> sister
> >> 'plane
> >> | too!
> >> |
> >> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what
it's
> > all
> >> | about.
> >> |
> >> | Here's the link:
> >> |
> >>
> >
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> >
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> >
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> >
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
> >
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
> >
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> > E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
> >> |
> >> | Best Regards to ALl,
> >> | Barry C (UK)
> >> |
> >> |
> >> | --
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> | --
> >> |
> >> |
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Larry,
Do you want to send AVWEB or Aero-news.net "the rest of the story" from your
view point?
It is a good story of why to fly a Twin Commander.
Tylor Hall
Subject: Commander-List: One engine
Well, this story hit the news:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
(Small twin?)
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
> Yes,
>
> That's the short answer
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
>
> >
> > Gents:
> >
> > Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to go
> > to
> > www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
> >
> > Moe Mills
> > N680RR
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> >
> >
> > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >>
> >> Hi again,
> >>
> >> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
> > installed.
> >>
> >> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
> > California.
> >>
> >> Check it out at the following link:
> >> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> >>
> >> Have I missed something?
> >>
> >> Barry C (UK)
> >> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> >>
> >>
> >> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >> |
> >> | Hi guys,
> >> |
> >> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
> >> recently,
> >> mainly
> >> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
> > database.
> >> |
> >> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego - Brown
> > Field
> >> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> >> |
> >> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a
> >> sister
> >> 'plane
> >> | too!
> >> |
> >> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what
it's
> > all
> >> | about.
> >> |
> >> | Here's the link:
> >> |
> >>
> >
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> >
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> >
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> >
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
> >
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
> >
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> > E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
> >> |
> >> | Best Regards to ALl,
> >> | Barry C (UK)
> >> |
> >> |
> >> | --
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> |
> >> | --
> >> |
> >> |
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Inexperienced?
AVWeb also mentioned the pilot was inexperienced, not in my books!
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Commander-List: One engine
>
> Well, this story hit the news:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
>
> (Small twin?)
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
>
>
> >
> > Yes,
> >
> > That's the short answer
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Gents:
> > >
> > > Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried to
go
> > > to
> > > www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
> > >
> > > Moe Mills
> > > N680RR
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > >
> > >
> > > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > >>
> > >> Hi again,
> > >>
> > >> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has been
> > > installed.
> > >>
> > >> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
> > > California.
> > >>
> > >> Check it out at the following link:
> > >> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> > >>
> > >> Have I missed something?
> > >>
> > >> Barry C (UK)
> > >> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > >> To:
> > >> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > >> |
> > >> | Hi guys,
> > >> |
> > >> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
> > >> recently,
> > >> mainly
> > >> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
> > > database.
> > >> |
> > >> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego -
Brown
> > > Field
> > >> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> > >> |
> > >> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a
> > >> sister
> > >> 'plane
> > >> | too!
> > >> |
> > >> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know what
> it's
> > > all
> > >> | about.
> > >> |
> > >> | Here's the link:
> > >> |
> > >>
> > >
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> > >
>
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> > >
>
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> > >
>
Eb25u=NveAvxba&xsIERvdWdsY=A352FF&MgTUQtODMgKE=&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=407&NEb25uZ
> > >
>
Wxs=2002-10-24%2000%3A00%3A00&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=502-172&static=yes&sok=JURE
> > >
>
R%20%20%28nvepensg%20%3D%20%27Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre%27%29%20%20BEQR
> > >
E%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=288213&next_id=144925&size=L
> > >> |
> > >> | Best Regards to ALl,
> > >> | Barry C (UK)
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> | --
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> | --
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | A beautiful 680E for sale |
Hi All,
Just to let everyone know that a beautiful 680E is for sale in Guatemala. It is
owned by Manfredo Lippmann, who attended TCAC's University at Scottsdale in
2003.
In JimBob's own words "It is for certain the BEST 680E in existence!! Hope it
finds a great new home. Only drawback is the paint colors. I know they are
original but?".
An article about this aircraft appeared in TCAC's FLight Levels magazine some
while back. Manfredo bought this Commander as a new aircraft, owned it for about
15 years, sold it, then bought it back again. It then underwent a lengthy
overhaul at the ServiCenter in the late 90's and emerged as virtually another
new aircraft, complete with original factory paint scheme & colors. Only thing
in it now and not when it left the factory, is air conditioning.
Anyone interested, let me know and I'll pass on Manfredo's Email address.
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Tom,
Have you taken possession of your Mr. RPM airplane yet? Do you have any
links to pictures? How is it flying?
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One engine
>
> Inexperienced?
> AVWeb also mentioned the pilot was inexperienced, not in my books!
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: One engine
>
>
>
> >
> > Well, this story hit the news:
> >
> > http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
> >
> > (Small twin?)
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Yes,
> > >
> > > That's the short answer
> > >
> > > bilbo
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Gents:
> > > >
> > > > Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried
to
> go
> > > > to
> > > > www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
> > > >
> > > > Moe Mills
> > > > N680RR
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi again,
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has
been
> > > > installed.
> > > >>
> > > >> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE) in
> > > > California.
> > > >>
> > > >> Check it out at the following link:
> > > >> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> > > >>
> > > >> Have I missed something?
> > > >>
> > > >> Barry C (UK)
> > > >> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > >> To:
> > > >> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > >> |
> > > >> | Hi guys,
> > > >> |
> > > >> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
> > > >> recently,
> > > >> mainly
> > > >> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on the
> > > > database.
> > > >> |
> > > >> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego -
> Brown
> > > > Field
> > > >> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> > > >> |
> > > >> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off a
> > > >> sister
> > > >> 'plane
> > > >> | too!
> > > >> |
> > > >> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know
what
> > it's
> > > > all
> > > >> | about.
> > > >> |
> > > >> | Here's the link:
> > > >> |
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> > > >
> >
>
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> > > >
> >
>
Z%20%2F%20XFQZ%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&ktODMp=Bpgbore%202002&BP=1&WN
> > > >
> >
>
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> > > >> | Best Regards to ALl,
> > > >> | Barry C (UK)
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
It arrives tomorrow, I can't wait, I have cleared my calendar for the next
four days.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One engine
>
> Tom,
>
> Have you taken possession of your Mr. RPM airplane yet? Do you have any
> links to pictures? How is it flying?
>
> /John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One engine
>
>
>
> >
> > Inexperienced?
> > AVWeb also mentioned the pilot was inexperienced, not in my books!
> >
> > Tom F.
> > 680FLP Mr.RPM
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: One engine
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, this story hit the news:
> > >
> > > http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
> > >
> > > (Small twin?)
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Yes,
> > > >
> > > > That's the short answer
> > > >
> > > > bilbo
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gents:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I tried
> to
> > go
> > > > > to
> > > > > www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
> > > > >
> > > > > Moe Mills
> > > > > N680RR
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi again,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets has
> been
> > > > > installed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE)
in
> > > > > California.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Check it out at the following link:
> > > > >> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have I missed something?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Barry C (UK)
> > > > >> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > >> To:
> > > > >> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | Hi guys,
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on airliners.net
> > > > >> recently,
> > > > >> mainly
> > > > >> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on
the
> > > > > database.
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San Diego -
> > Brown
> > > > > Field
> > > > >> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is off
a
> > > > >> sister
> > > > >> 'plane
> > > > >> | too!
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know
> what
> > > it's
> > > > > all
> > > > >> | about.
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | Here's the link:
> > > > >> |
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
&WdsYXMg=Hagvgyrq&QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Oebja%20Svryq%20Zhavpvcny%20%28FQ
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> >
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> > >
> >
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> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | Best Regards to ALl,
> > > > >> | Barry C (UK)
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> |
> > > > >> | --
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
NICE!! Make sure you post links to pics!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One engine
>
> It arrives tomorrow, I can't wait, I have cleared my calendar for the next
> four days.
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One engine
>
>
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Have you taken possession of your Mr. RPM airplane yet? Do you have any
> > links to pictures? How is it flying?
> >
> > /John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: One engine
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Inexperienced?
> > > AVWeb also mentioned the pilot was inexperienced, not in my books!
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > > 680FLP Mr.RPM
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: One engine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, this story hit the news:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
> > > >
> > > > (Small twin?)
> > > > Nico
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's the short answer
> > > > >
> > > > > bilbo
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gents:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is my computer the only one that completely locked up when I
tried
> > to
> > > go
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > www.jetphotos.net/...........to see the weird winglets?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moe Mills
> > > > > > N680RR
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Another Weird winglet !
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hi again,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I don't believe it! Yet another of the 'surf-board' winglets
has
> > been
> > > > > > installed.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This time, they are on a 560A, N2764B at Gillespie Field (KSEE)
> in
> > > > > > California.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Check it out at the following link:
> > > > > >> www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=237695
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Have I missed something?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Barry C (UK)
> > > > > >> Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > > >> To:
> > > > > >> Subject: Commander-List: Weird winglet
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | Hi guys,
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | I've been looking at the photos of Commanders on
airliners.net
> > > > > >> recently,
> > > > > >> mainly
> > > > > >> | looking for any modifications that I haven't got recorded on
> the
> > > > > > database.
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | Found a Model 680, s/n 502-172, N352SS, pictured at San
Diego -
> > > Brown
> > > > > > Field
> > > > > >> | Municipal (KSDM) in October 2002.
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | Take a look at the VERY non-standard winglet. The rudder is
off
> a
> > > > > >> sister
> > > > > >> 'plane
> > > > > >> | too!
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | If anybody gets the chance to find out more, I'd like to know
> > what
> > > > it's
> > > > > > all
> > > > > >> | about.
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | Here's the link:
> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
www.airliners.net/open.file?id=287565&WxsIERv=Nreb%20680%20Pbzznaqre%20Fhcre
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > >> |
> > > > > >> | Best Regards to ALl,
> > > > > >> | Barry C (UK)
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| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Has anyone looked at or have any knowledge of a 1958 500, CA based (310 area code),
listed in Trade-a-plane?
Phil
Phil Stubbs
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
Phil:
I don't have a print version of TAP, but I just looked online and don't see
the ad. If you are interested in this bird and need more info [pix,
whatever], just forward me the specifics and I can run up there and take a
look for you.
Alan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Phil Stubbs
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:04 PM
> To: commander-list
> Subject: Commander-List: 500
>
> -->
>
> Has anyone looked at or have any knowledge of a 1958 500, CA
> based (310 area code), listed in Trade-a-plane?
> Phil
>
> Phil Stubbs
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
Whoops. Found the ad [the online ad has AZ for the state]. Let me know if
you want me to get you some photos.
Alan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Phil Stubbs
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:04 PM
> To: commander-list
> Subject: Commander-List: 500
>
> -->
>
> Has anyone looked at or have any knowledge of a 1958 500, CA
> based (310 area code), listed in Trade-a-plane?
> Phil
>
> Phil Stubbs
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Thanks for the offer Alan, after I gather some more info I'll let you know.
Phil
> [Original Message]
> From: Alan Kucheck <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
> To:
> Date: 4/7/2005 9:40:18 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500
>
>
> Whoops. Found the ad [the online ad has AZ for the state]. Let me know
if
> you want me to get you some photos.
>
> Alan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
> > Of Phil Stubbs
> > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 6:04 PM
> > To: commander-list
> > Subject: Commander-List: 500
> >
> > -->
> >
> > Has anyone looked at or have any knowledge of a 1958 500, CA
> > based (310 area code), listed in Trade-a-plane?
> > Phil
> >
> > Phil Stubbs
> > br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> > EarthLink Revolves Around You.
> >
> >
> > Photoshare, and much much more:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net> |
Moe: You weren't the only one who crashed & burned trying to get the pix.......my
2nd attempt resulted in a total lockup....had to pull my p.c.'s little plug
& give it a timeout before regaining some semblence of control......but computers
& I have always had an adversarial relationship....even the littlest ones.
I just completed my semiannual stress test i. e. changing my watch for daylight
savings time...oh well! it could have been worse...I could have been trying
to shoot a missed approach in an Airbus. Dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | [ Ray Mansfield ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
| From: | Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com> |
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Ray Mansfield
Lists: Commander-List
Subject: Photo of the Aero Commander
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/hcourier@cox.net.04.07.2005/index.html
o Main Photo Share Index
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
o Submitting a Photo Share
If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the
following information along with your email message and files:
1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
2) Your Full Name:
3) Your Email Address:
4) One line Subject description:
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
Email the information above and your files and photos to:
pictures(at)matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Piston commander for sale |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Todd,
Is your 680 still for sale?
I am interested in finding out more about it.
Many thanks
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
In a message dated 4/6/2005 9:30:54 AM Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space."
Don't you mean"live life on the edge-if you don't, you're taking up too much
space!".
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 4/7/2005 4:27:59 AM Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
> Well, this story hit the news:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
>
> (Small twin?)
> Nico
I guess it depends on who's pushing it around, Nico
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Hello all,
In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/8/2005 10:10:26 A.M. Central Standard Time,
RRamm52(at)cs.com writes:
Well, this story hit the news:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
>
> (Small twin?)
> Nico
Compared to a 777, I would say it IS a small twin.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
If anyone in this group buys it I will offset their purchase price for a
copy of the article.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay
>
> Hello all,
>
> In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
> about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
> closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
> directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
>
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
I'm bidding on it, and if I get it, I'd be happy to scan it and share it with anyone
who wants a copy. No problem, no charge.
Bert Berry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay
If anyone in this group buys it I will offset their purchase price for a
copy of the article.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay
>
> Hello all,
>
> In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
> about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
> closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
> directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
>
> Stan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Well thank you, much appreciated.
It will compliment my (new to me) 680FLP Mr.RPM.
My offer of a few pounds of fuel still stands.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
> I'm bidding on it, and if I get it, I'd be happy to scan it and share it
with anyone who wants a copy. No problem, no charge.
>
> Bert Berry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article
on eBay
>
>
>
> If anyone in this group buys it I will offset their purchase price for a
> copy of the article.
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
> > about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
> > closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
> > directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Same goes for me Tom, but how do we know who is bidding on it? I have not
bid.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
> If anyone in this group buys it I will offset their purchase price for a
> copy of the article.
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
> > about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
> > closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
> > directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Thanks Bert, I won't bid.
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
> I'm bidding on it, and if I get it, I'd be happy to scan it and share it
with anyone who wants a copy. No problem, no charge.
>
> Bert Berry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article
on eBay
>
>
>
> If anyone in this group buys it I will offset their purchase price for a
> copy of the article.
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
> > about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
> > closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
> > directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Wouldn't think of it. I have about 250 old Aero Commander ads and several brochures,
if anyone would like a scanned copy of the ads for their a/c let me know,
and I'd be glad to share them.
Bert Berry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay
Well thank you, much appreciated.
It will compliment my (new to me) 680FLP Mr.RPM.
My offer of a few pounds of fuel still stands.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
> I'm bidding on it, and if I get it, I'd be happy to scan it and share it
with anyone who wants a copy. No problem, no charge.
>
> Bert Berry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article
on eBay
>
>
>
> If anyone in this group buys it I will offset their purchase price for a
> copy of the article.
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
>
>
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > In case anyone's interested, I noticed this original magazine report
> > about the Mr. RPM conversion up for bids on eBay, with the auction
> > closing this Sunday afternoon. If this link doesn't take you there
> > directly, just look for eBay item #6524217001:
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6524217001
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Wouldn't think of taking money for it. I have about 250 old Aero Commander
ads and several brochures, if anyone would like a scanned copy of the ads for
their a/c let me know, and I'd be glad to share them.
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
>Well, this story hit the news:
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
(Small twin?)
Nico>
>Larry,
Do you want to send AVWEB or Aero-news.net "the rest of the story" from your
view point?
It is a good story of why to fly a Twin Commander.
Tylor Hall>
Hey Guys,
I saw this story on Avweb when it came out. There was a link at the bottom
of the story to make comments. I sent them my contact information and,
basically, a copy of my story as I told it on this list. It seems that the
story was actually written from an Air Force PR office in Langley. The F15
guys that came to my aid were form Mountain Home in Idaho and had only
minimum contact with the article's writer. The Major from Langley told me on
the phone that they had been up against a deadline and wished they had been
able to contact me. I gave him a little more accurate account of what
happened. And, of course, I repeated my thanks and admiration for the F15
guys' help. He was so interested in all this that he wanted my permission to
go further with an AF PR type article in something like Parade Magazine.
This is getting a little embarrassing, but having been in the Air National
Guard for nine years and presently in the retired reserve of the US Army, I
understand their desire for good publicity. Of course I'll cooperate if they
do move on it. We'll see.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: RE: One Engine |
Good deal, Larry
Looking forward to hearing more from you. We flew our Twin Commander 500 over
1000 miles of open ocean this past week and never had a moments worry.....New
Orleans direct Miami and back, including through the front that made weather
news this week.......
Rob AC50
In a message dated 4/8/2005 2:46:29 PM Central Standard Time,
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes:
> l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
>
>
> >Well, this story hit the news:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/380-full.html#189505
>
> (Small twin?)
> Nico>
>
>
> >Larry,
> Do you want to send AVWEB or Aero-news.net "the rest of the story" from your
> view point?
> It is a good story of why to fly a Twin Commander.
> Tylor Hall>
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> I saw this story on Avweb when it came out. There was a link at the bottom
> of the story to make comments. I sent them my contact information and,
> basically, a copy of my story as I told it on this list. It seems that the
> story was actually written from an Air Force PR office in Langley. The F15
> guys that came to my aid were form Mountain Home in Idaho and had only
> minimum contact with the article's writer. The Major from Langley told me on
> the phone that they had been up against a deadline and wished they had been
> able to contact me. I gave him a little more accurate account of what
> happened. And, of course, I repeated my thanks and admiration for the F15
> guys' help. He was so interested in all this that he wanted my permission to
> go further with an AF PR type article in something like Parade Magazine.
> This is getting a little embarrassing, but having been in the Air National
> Guard for nine years and presently in the retired reserve of the US Army, I
> understand their desire for good publicity. Of course I'll cooperate if they
> do move on it. We'll see.
>
> Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Bert,
Fantastic,
Do you have any for 1958 ACommander 500? Rob and I own N6291B and would
love to have some history of our aircraft.
Thanks,
Steve and Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
Wouldn't think of taking money for it. I have about 250 old Aero Commander
ads and several brochures, if anyone would like a scanned copy of the ads
for
their a/c let me know, and I'd be glad to share them.
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Hey Steve,
I just sent a bunch of stuff to Rob, If you have any photos of your 500,
would love to see them. I'm here in Lafayette, was over at the Hammond airport
the other day looking at those 2 old 680's going down hill over there.
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
If you have trouble getting them from Rob, let me know and I'll resend them.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
In a message dated 4/8/2005 3:31:05 PM Central Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
> Hey Steve,
>
> I just sent a bunch of stuff to Rob, If you have any photos of your 500,
> would love to see them. I'm here in Lafayette, was over at the Hammond
> airport
> the other day looking at those 2 old 680's going down hill over there.
>
> Bert Berry
Berry,
We're based at L31, Abita Springs. We fly to Hammond often. We'll buy you a
cup of coffee whenever yer free........
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Bert,
OK, will see Rob in a few minutes. We just came back from picking up a
fellow at MSY via Signature. Left Miami yesterday via Ft. Meyers for added
fuel and than over the gulf back to MSY with Rob and other partner in our
Haiti venture. ATC out vectored us perfectly to thread the needle through
the soup coming Florida way. All was perfect and smooth except for the
strong headwinds.
We had a quick check on us by a fast moving F16 south of Pensacola when
traveling west and down on the deck while looking for relief from the
headwinds. They apparently mistook us for a nefarious type and had
Jacksonville clearcall for the aircraft traveling west at so and so, to
contact them immediately. We did and all was well, but it sure showed us
that at least our air borders are guarded and enforced expertly.
Interesting experience.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
Hey Steve,
I just sent a bunch of stuff to Rob, If you have any photos of your 500,
would love to see them. I'm here in Lafayette, was over at the Hammond
airport
the other day looking at those 2 old 680's going down hill over there.
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
You got it.
-----Original Message-----
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay
In a message dated 4/8/2005 3:31:05 PM Central Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
> Hey Steve,
>
> I just sent a bunch of stuff to Rob, If you have any photos of your 500,
> would love to see them. I'm here in Lafayette, was over at the Hammond
> airport
> the other day looking at those 2 old 680's going down hill over there.
>
> Bert Berry
Berry,
We're based at L31, Abita Springs. We fly to Hammond often. We'll buy you a
cup of coffee whenever yer free........
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Makes you feel better about our security. I get new ads pretty regular, when I
get a new 500, I'll send you guys out a copy.
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: steve <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay
Bert,
OK, will see Rob in a few minutes. We just came back from picking up a
fellow at MSY via Signature. Left Miami yesterday via Ft. Meyers for added
fuel and than over the gulf back to MSY with Rob and other partner in our
Haiti venture. ATC out vectored us perfectly to thread the needle through
the soup coming Florida way. All was perfect and smooth except for the
strong headwinds.
We had a quick check on us by a fast moving F16 south of Pensacola when
traveling west and down on the deck while looking for relief from the
headwinds. They apparently mistook us for a nefarious type and had
Jacksonville clearcall for the aircraft traveling west at so and so, to
contact them immediately. We did and all was well, but it sure showed us
that at least our air borders are guarded and enforced expertly.
Interesting experience.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on
eBay
Hey Steve,
I just sent a bunch of stuff to Rob, If you have any photos of your 500,
would love to see them. I'm here in Lafayette, was over at the Hammond
airport
the other day looking at those 2 old 680's going down hill over there.
Bert Berry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Original Mr. RPM Turbo 800 magazine article on eBay |
Guys,
Same here.
Ken Hyde
N47AC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:10:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
hcourier(at)cox.net writes:
I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right where
the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem let
me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...
As the MP of the "good" engine climbs above the questionable one, does the
airplane yaw?? If the "bad" engine is truly running out of boost, the
airplane will start to fly out of trim. If the airplane flies straight, rudder
trim
normal, as you climb above the point where the MP matches up, it is the
gauge. jb jb
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| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Hi jb,
Thanks for the comment. As I climb I keep the MAP even on both engines and
the plane climbs straight, no yaw or rudder trim required. If I kept the
turbo levers even, the aircraft would yaw to the right as the left engine
MAP would climb higher than right with even turbo levers. In other words,
when the MAP are equal the airplane flies trimmed and straight. (It just
takes more right turbo lever movement than left to be trimmed and straight)
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:10:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> hcourier(at)cox.net writes:
>
> I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
> where
> the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem
> let
> me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...
>
>
> As the MP of the "good" engine climbs above the questionable one, does the
> airplane yaw?? If the "bad" engine is truly running out of boost, the
> airplane will start to fly out of trim. If the airplane flies straight,
> rudder trim
> normal, as you climb above the point where the MP matches up, it is the
> gauge. jb jb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Side bubble windows 680FLP |
Gentlemen, I need to replace all my side passenger windows on a 680 FLP.
I would like to put in some sort of bubble window instead of the normal flat
window, pressurization is not an issue.
There is a oddity in that one of the starboard windows has been modified
into an additional emergency exit and is therefore larger than the normal
window.
The co-pilot side window also needs to be replaced and I would like to put
in an FLP window with a vent window within it as I have on the pilot side.
Does anyone know of a source for this type of items?
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
> Hi jb,
>
> Thanks for the comment. As I climb I keep the MAP even on both engines
and
> the plane climbs straight, no yaw or rudder trim required. If I kept the
> turbo levers even, the aircraft would yaw to the right as the left engine
> MAP would climb higher than right with even turbo levers. In other words,
> when the MAP are equal the airplane flies trimmed and straight. (It just
> takes more right turbo lever movement than left to be trimmed and
straight)
>
> Ray M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:10:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > hcourier(at)cox.net writes:
> >
> > I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
> > where
> > the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem
> > let
> > me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...
> >
> >
> > As the MP of the "good" engine climbs above the questionable one, does
the
> > airplane yaw?? If the "bad" engine is truly running out of boost, the
> > airplane will start to fly out of trim. If the airplane flies
straight,
> > rudder trim
> > normal, as you climb above the point where the MP matches up, it is the
> > gauge. jb jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem |
Ray,
In my mind, that definitely sounds like a wastegate problem rather than
simple rigging, especially with the mechanical gates. I'd be worried if the
MAP were even & the airplane was yawing (gauge prob?) much more than if the
turbo levers were in different positions. I'd have to reinforce the earlier
suggestion that perhaps a butterfly valve is warped. With these airplanes
and their 50-year-old technology, I think the turbo installation is always
the weakest link.
I have a 500-B with the RayJay turbos, with electric wastegates. My left
engine always runs out of boost before the right....to the point where at
11,500ft, with both engines reading 25" MAP, my left engine wastegate limit
light is "on", and the right engine wastegate still has 20% of its travel
remaining (no limit light). If I judged by wastegate limit lights, I'd be
flying sideways when both lights were on :-). I've replaced ALL FOUR turbos
twice in the last 6 years, and both wastegates once. It's more headache than
it's worth....except when leaving Truckee (6,500MSL) in August at 1PM when
it's 85degF out, at max gross....then those turbos are my best friend!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
> Hi jb,
>
> Thanks for the comment. As I climb I keep the MAP even on both engines
and
> the plane climbs straight, no yaw or rudder trim required. If I kept the
> turbo levers even, the aircraft would yaw to the right as the left engine
> MAP would climb higher than right with even turbo levers. In other words,
> when the MAP are equal the airplane flies trimmed and straight. (It just
> takes more right turbo lever movement than left to be trimmed and
straight)
>
> Ray M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressurization, Turbocharging problem
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:10:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > hcourier(at)cox.net writes:
> >
> > I've checked the manual on power settings and seem to be running right
> > where
> > the book says to run things. If anyone has some input about the problem
> > let
> > me know. Right now I told maintenance to take a brake for a while...
> >
> >
> > As the MP of the "good" engine climbs above the questionable one, does
the
> > airplane yaw?? If the "bad" engine is truly running out of boost, the
> > airplane will start to fly out of trim. If the airplane flies
straight,
> > rudder trim
> > normal, as you climb above the point where the MP matches up, it is the
> > gauge. jb jb
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Aero Commander 800 Article |
Well I won the Aero Commander article, I had to BLEED alittle, but, I'll let
the list know when it comes in just to make sure that I don't miss anyone who
wants a copy.
Thanks,
Bert
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
J. B.
Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their registration
number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what part of the
world they are from.
Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters straight while
reading the posts.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
HHR
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Dan,
You simply have more perseverance than I have. After the first lock up I go
on to the next email.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
HHR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net>
Subject: Commander-List: lockup
>
> Moe: You weren't the only one who crashed & burned trying to get the
pix.......my 2nd attempt resulted in a total lockup....had to pull my
p.c.'s little plug & give it a timeout before regaining some semblence of
control......but computers & I have always had an adversarial
relationship....even the littlest ones. I just completed my semiannual
stress test i. e. changing my watch for daylight savings time...oh well! it
could have been worse...I could have been trying to shoot a missed approach
in an Airbus. Dan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
Just out of curiosity, how many RPM Conversion Commanders are there on the list??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Count me as one of them.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many RPM Conversion Commanders are there on the
list??
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
BB, NOT VERY MANY ANY MORE. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: bertberry1(at)aol.com<mailto:bertberry1(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
Just out of curiosity, how many RPM Conversion Commanders are there on the list??
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
One in Las Vegas!
Brock N400CH
-----Original Message-----
From: bertberry1(at)aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:28:27
To:commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List:
Just out of curiosity, how many RPM Conversion Commanders are there on the list??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
ONE IN FORT WORTH. MASON 2001M
----- Original Message -----
From: Brock Lorber<mailto:blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
One in Las Vegas!
Brock N400CH
-----Original Message-----
From: bertberry1(at)aol.com<mailto:bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:28:27
To:commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List:
Just out of curiosity, how many RPM Conversion Commanders are there on the list??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Two MR. RPM conversions up here.
N7UP, N98UP.
Mike
Commander NW LTD
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| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
One in Destin, FL, N91ES. While on the subject. I just heard today that there
are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion, the new one and the old one. Can
anyone tell me the difference. My understanding from the maintenance folks,
who talked to Mr. RPM, is I have the old one (don't think they asked Mr. RPM the
difference). I'm also the guy having the turbo/pressurization problem that
I bring up on this site now and then. (And everyone is very helpful with suggestions...much
appreciated, still working the problem)
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfied<mailto:hcourier(at)cox.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
One in Destin, FL, N91ES. While on the subject. I just heard today that there
are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion, the new one and the old one. Can
anyone tell me the difference. My understanding from the maintenance folks,
who talked to Mr. RPM, is I have the old one (don't think they asked Mr. RPM
the difference). I'm also the guy having the turbo/pressurization problem that
I bring up on this site now and then. (And everyone is very helpful with suggestions...much
appreciated, still working the problem)
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
I do not have to worry about pressurization as this bird is currently in
"survey configuration" with a 19" camera port and a 9" camera port.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
>
> One in Destin, FL, N91ES. While on the subject. I just heard today that
there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion, the new one and the old
one. Can anyone tell me the difference. My understanding from the
maintenance folks, who talked to Mr. RPM, is I have the old one (don't think
they asked Mr. RPM the difference). I'm also the guy having the
turbo/pressurization problem that I bring up on this site now and then.
(And everyone is very helpful with suggestions...much appreciated, still
working the problem)
>
> Ray Mansfield
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time, hcourier(at)cox.net
writes:
I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion, the
new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
Ray,
I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor Hall
are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new" conversions.
What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions (with
bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the engines
done and kept Skydrol.
But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays, intercoolers
and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I don't know
if any have been done yet.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
The only old or new conversions were a change or option for automatic waste
gates that came some time later in Dick's conversions. The original has the
manual waste gates. Later he added the automatic controllers that pushed a
twin cable that was attached to the waste gates.
There were 38 conversions done. I have a file on it someplace with all the
N numbers and what has happened to them. Some are no longer with us. Barry
C has that information as well.
Does anyone know what happened to the 680FL with the Mr RPM conversion that
the State of New Mexico was trying to sell? I think it was 4141S. The
Governor is looking for a Jet to replace it. NM has owned it for 30+ years
and put over 12,000 hours on it. I saw the plane in Santa Fe last fall when
there was a sealed bid. It went to bid twice.
Ray, Your problem with MP is a very small leak somewhere in the system.
From what you have tried, I would suggest looking at the upper deck pressure
tubing to the injectors like NW Commander suggested. They have put a lot of
hours on MR RPM Commanders over a lot of years. They fly them on Forest
Service contracts each summer.
Tom, are you going to post some photos of your Twin Commander? Does it
still have the MAD boom? Photo can be posted at www.matronics.com .
Tylor Hall
In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
hcourier(at)cox.net
writes:
I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion,
the
new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
Ray,
I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor
Hall
are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new"
conversions.
What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions
(with
bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the engines
done and kept Skydrol.
But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays, intercoolers
and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I don't
know
if any have been done yet.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
i will be at sun and fun on thursday, 4/15. i have a 500 n628ah. i assume i
will be in the north 40 (extreme east side of airport where they usually park
the twins). if you are going and would like to discuss commanders, park near
us and i will be at the plane from 4 pm until the airshow ends. al hoffman
Now includes pop-up blocker!
Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
Sure I'll get some images taken, haven't had much luck with cruising
existing photos perhaps posting them is easier.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
>
> The only old or new conversions were a change or option for automatic
waste
> gates that came some time later in Dick's conversions. The original has
the
> manual waste gates. Later he added the automatic controllers that pushed
a
> twin cable that was attached to the waste gates.
> There were 38 conversions done. I have a file on it someplace with all
the
> N numbers and what has happened to them. Some are no longer with us.
Barry
> C has that information as well.
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the 680FL with the Mr RPM conversion
that
> the State of New Mexico was trying to sell? I think it was 4141S. The
> Governor is looking for a Jet to replace it. NM has owned it for 30+
years
> and put over 12,000 hours on it. I saw the plane in Santa Fe last fall
when
> there was a sealed bid. It went to bid twice.
>
> Ray, Your problem with MP is a very small leak somewhere in the system.
> >From what you have tried, I would suggest looking at the upper deck
pressure
> tubing to the injectors like NW Commander suggested. They have put a lot
of
> hours on MR RPM Commanders over a lot of years. They fly them on Forest
> Service contracts each summer.
>
> Tom, are you going to post some photos of your Twin Commander? Does it
> still have the MAD boom? Photo can be posted at www.matronics.com .
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
> hcourier(at)cox.net
> writes:
> I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion,
> the
> new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
> Ray,
>
> I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor
> Hall
> are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new"
> conversions.
>
> What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions
> (with
> bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the engines
> done and kept Skydrol.
>
> But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays, intercoolers
> and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I don't
> know
> if any have been done yet.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
Hi Tylor,
N1414S had a test flight in the USA last week, so could now be on its way to
Australia, where Steve Nott's General Aviation Maintenance Pty Ltd will operate
it.
They are the Oz equivalent of John Towner's Central Air, with about 30
Commanders, Most are 500S, with a sprinkling of 680FL, 500B, 681, 690 and 690A.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
|
| The only old or new conversions were a change or option for automatic waste
| gates that came some time later in Dick's conversions. The original has the
| manual waste gates. Later he added the automatic controllers that pushed a
| twin cable that was attached to the waste gates.
| There were 38 conversions done. I have a file on it someplace with all the
| N numbers and what has happened to them. Some are no longer with us. Barry
| C has that information as well.
|
| Does anyone know what happened to the 680FL with the Mr RPM conversion that
| the State of New Mexico was trying to sell? I think it was 4141S. The
| Governor is looking for a Jet to replace it. NM has owned it for 30+ years
| and put over 12,000 hours on it. I saw the plane in Santa Fe last fall when
| there was a sealed bid. It went to bid twice.
|
| Ray, Your problem with MP is a very small leak somewhere in the system.
| From what you have tried, I would suggest looking at the upper deck pressure
| tubing to the injectors like NW Commander suggested. They have put a lot of
| hours on MR RPM Commanders over a lot of years. They fly them on Forest
| Service contracts each summer.
|
| Tom, are you going to post some photos of your Twin Commander? Does it
| still have the MAD boom? Photo can be posted at www.matronics.com .
|
| Tylor Hall
|
|
|
| In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
| hcourier(at)cox.net
| writes:
| I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion,
| the
| new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
| Ray,
|
| I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor
| Hall
| are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new"
| conversions.
|
| What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions
| (with
| bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the engines
| done and kept Skydrol.
|
| But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays, intercoolers
| and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I don't
| know
| if any have been done yet.
|
| Wing Commander Gordon
|
|
| Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
I Have the nicest 1963 680FLP In the world!!! for sale.
Matahorn White, orange and blue stripes 9.5 on out side.
Brown interior, new carpet, 9.0 inside. TTAF 5,427, LE & RE SM-125. Full
Deice , including Fresh Props, with new full length blades, Fresh Annual
Automatic waste gates, winglets, Cleveland brakes, flap-gap seals, Freon
Air-condition with new blower motors New IFR Certification, Just weighted,
Plane spent the last 15 year in Las Vegas.
Located it Titusville FL at (X-21) Dunn airport.
3,000 feet of runway
Harry Merritt
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
>
>
> The only old or new conversions were a change or option for automatic
> waste
> gates that came some time later in Dick's conversions. The original has
> the
> manual waste gates. Later he added the automatic controllers that pushed
> a
> twin cable that was attached to the waste gates.
> There were 38 conversions done. I have a file on it someplace with all
> the
> N numbers and what has happened to them. Some are no longer with us.
> Barry
> C has that information as well.
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the 680FL with the Mr RPM conversion
> that
> the State of New Mexico was trying to sell? I think it was 4141S. The
> Governor is looking for a Jet to replace it. NM has owned it for 30+
> years
> and put over 12,000 hours on it. I saw the plane in Santa Fe last fall
> when
> there was a sealed bid. It went to bid twice.
>
> Ray, Your problem with MP is a very small leak somewhere in the system.
> From what you have tried, I would suggest looking at the upper deck
> pressure
> tubing to the injectors like NW Commander suggested. They have put a lot
> of
> hours on MR RPM Commanders over a lot of years. They fly them on Forest
> Service contracts each summer.
>
> Tom, are you going to post some photos of your Twin Commander? Does it
> still have the MAD boom? Photo can be posted at www.matronics.com .
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
> hcourier(at)cox.net
> writes:
> I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion,
> the
> new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
> Ray,
>
> I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor
> Hall
> are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new"
> conversions.
>
> What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions
> (with
> bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the engines
> done and kept Skydrol.
>
> But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays, intercoolers
> and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I don't
> know
> if any have been done yet.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
J.B., Barry (or anyone),
Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their registration
number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what part of the
world they are from?
Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters straight while
reading the posts.
If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and everyone who wanted
to could type in the info.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
HHR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com> |
Excellent idea Moe.
Regards,
Jimmy
N107VC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: Membership List
J.B., Barry (or anyone),
Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their
registration number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps
what part of the world they are from?
Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters
straight while reading the posts.
If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and
everyone who wanted to could type in the info.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
HHR
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
MM, N2001M 62 680FP W/ MR RPM CONVERSION. MASON CHEVAILLIER, 910 COLLIER ST.,
FORT WORTH, TX 76102 817-877-4977
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership List
J.B., Barry (or anyone),
Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their registration
number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what part of the
world they are from?
Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters straight
while reading the posts.
If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and everyone who
wanted to could type in the info.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
HHR
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
Seems like a good idea, Moe
I don't believe there are very many of us, as compared to other types of
aircraft....
Rob AC50
In a message dated 4/12/2005 8:42:53 AM Central Standard Time, Kamala(at)msn.com
writes:
> J.B., Barry (or anyone),
>
> Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their
> registration number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what part
> of the world they are from?
>
> Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters
> straight while reading the posts.
>
> If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and everyone
> who wanted to could type in the info.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> HHR
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
Hi Moe, et al,
Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
There was a sort of list, started on the old website. It can still be accessed,
as follows, but it needs input from everybody:
Go to www.aerocommander.com/
Click on 'Library'
Click on 'Web Archive', and "The Aero Commander Site" page loads
(www.aerocommander.com/index4.html)
Scroll down to the very bottom and click on "Twin Commander Owners Internet
Registry" (www.aerocommander.com/Documents/owners.html)
But, silly me, it cannot be added to I don't think!!
Perhaps Chris Wall can instigate a newer facility?
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Membership List
|
| J.B., Barry (or anyone),
|
| Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their
registration number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what part
of the world they are from?
|
| Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters straight
while reading the posts.
|
| If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and everyone who
wanted to could type in the info.
|
| Regards,
| Moe Mills
| N680RR
| 680F(p)
| HHR
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Moe,
We Ozzies are easy to spot...upside down emails...
Cheers
Russell
On 12/4/05 10:34 PM, "Moe" wrote:
>
> J.B., Barry (or anyone),
>
> Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their
> registration number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what
> part of the world they are from?
>
> Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters straight
> while reading the posts.
>
> If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and everyone who
> wanted to could type in the info.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> HHR
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G'day Tylor,
1414S was purchased at auction for an absolute steal of a price...created
some fuss in New Mexico newspapers. Has been fitted out with ferry tanks in
Ca over the past few weeks and is due to arrive in Oz soon.
Regards from Oz
Russell
On 12/4/05 6:08 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Tylor,
>
> N1414S had a test flight in the USA last week, so could now be on its way to
> Australia, where Steve Nott's General Aviation Maintenance Pty Ltd will
> operate
> it.
>
> They are the Oz equivalent of John Towner's Central Air, with about 30
> Commanders, Most are 500S, with a sprinkling of 680FL, 500B, 681, 690 and
> 690A.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
> High Wycombe, England
> "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
>
>
>
> |
> | The only old or new conversions were a change or option for automatic waste
> | gates that came some time later in Dick's conversions. The original has the
> | manual waste gates. Later he added the automatic controllers that pushed a
> | twin cable that was attached to the waste gates.
> | There were 38 conversions done. I have a file on it someplace with all the
> | N numbers and what has happened to them. Some are no longer with us. Barry
> | C has that information as well.
> |
> | Does anyone know what happened to the 680FL with the Mr RPM conversion that
> | the State of New Mexico was trying to sell? I think it was 4141S. The
> | Governor is looking for a Jet to replace it. NM has owned it for 30+ years
> | and put over 12,000 hours on it. I saw the plane in Santa Fe last fall when
> | there was a sealed bid. It went to bid twice.
> |
> | Ray, Your problem with MP is a very small leak somewhere in the system.
> | From what you have tried, I would suggest looking at the upper deck pressure
> | tubing to the injectors like NW Commander suggested. They have put a lot of
> | hours on MR RPM Commanders over a lot of years. They fly them on Forest
> | Service contracts each summer.
> |
> | Tom, are you going to post some photos of your Twin Commander? Does it
> | still have the MAD boom? Photo can be posted at www.matronics.com .
> |
> | Tylor Hall
> |
> |
> |
> | In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
> | hcourier(at)cox.net
> | writes:
> | I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM Conversion,
> | the
> | new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
> | Ray,
> |
> | I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor
> | Hall
> | are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new"
> | conversions.
> |
> | What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions
> | (with
> | bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the engines
> | done and kept Skydrol.
> |
> | But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays, intercoolers
> | and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I don't
> | know
> | if any have been done yet.
> |
> | Wing Commander Gordon
> |
> |
> | Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> Hi Moe, et al,
>
> Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
>
> I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
Hello, Barry
Could you please give me an idea of how many of us aero commander folks are
one this list and how many aircraft do we own?
Thanks,
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
Hi Rob,
I don't know how many people are on the list.
Is there a way to find out?
Will "commander-list(at)matronics.com" tell us if we ask?
But, a gut feeling is that about 90-95% own a Commander. Some own more than one!
Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely a
'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you Commander
"wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
|
| In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
| > Hi Moe, et al,
| >
| > Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
| >
| > I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
|
| Hello, Barry
| Could you please give me an idea of how many of us aero commander folks are
| on this list and how many aircraft do we own?
| Thanks,
| Rob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Hasler <jhasler(at)gte.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but have
yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
problems I have had.
Jim Hasler
...... Original Message .......
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi Rob,
>
>I don't know how many people are on the list.
>Is there a way to find out?
>Will "commander-list(at)matronics.com" tell us if we ask?
>
>But, a gut feeling is that about 90-95% own a Commander. Some own more
than one!
>
>Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely a
>'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you
Commander
>"wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
>
>Best Regards,
>Barry
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
>
>
>|
>| In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time,
>| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
>| > Hi Moe, et al,
>| >
>| > Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
>| >
>| > I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
>|
>| Hello, Barry
>| Could you please give me an idea of how many of us aero commander folks
are
>| on this list and how many aircraft do we own?
>| Thanks,
>| Rob
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>|
>| --
>|
>|
>
>
>--
>
>
Thanks,
Jim Hasler
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
OK.
Geez, Bilbo, I was just in Clermont last Saturday.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister (pilot-operator, not owner)
Ex 560F, 680V, 690A
500B, 500S, 690A
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely a
'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you
Commander
"wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
What model of Commander?
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
>
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but
have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> >Hi Rob,
> >
> >I don't know how many people are on the list.
> >Is there a way to find out?
> >Will "commander-list(at)matronics.com" tell us if we ask?
> >
> >But, a gut feeling is that about 90-95% own a Commander. Some own more
> than one!
> >
> >Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely
a
> >'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you
> Commander
> >"wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Barry
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
> >
> >
> >|
> >| In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time,
> >| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> >| > Hi Moe, et al,
> >| >
> >| > Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
> >| >
> >| > I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
> >|
> >| Hello, Barry
> >| Could you please give me an idea of how many of us aero commander folks
> are
> >| on this list and how many aircraft do we own?
> >| Thanks,
> >| Rob
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >| --
> >|
> >|
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Hasler
>
>
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