Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bn
April 12, 2005 - May 16, 2005
With best regards
AVIATION NEWS.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AVIATION-NEWS/
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
In a message dated 4/12/2005 10:27:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
What model of Commander?
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
Landings has it listed as follows:
N-number : N800ACAircraft Serial Number : 500A-1193-65
Aircraft Manufacturer : AERO COMMANDER
Model : _500-A_
(http://www8.landings.com/cgi-bin/nph-search_ac?pass=71937893&pattern1=0141104&fld_nr1=0)
Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR
Model : _I0-470 SERIES_
(http://www8.landings.com/cgi-bin/nph-search_eng?pass=71937893&pattern1=17027&fld_nr1=0)
Aircraft Year : 1962
Owner Name : HASLER AVIATION LLC
Owner Address : 7458 SW 223RD ST
TRIMBLE, MO, 64492-7854
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 06-May-2004
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
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| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
In a message dated 4/12/2005 10:16:36 AM Central Standard Time,
jhasler(at)gte.net writes:
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
Jim,
What kind of problems? Maybe another opinion is needed?
Thanks,
Rob
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
Well, I am most assuredly a "WANNA BE" we use to own a few, wish we had one
now.
Bert
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| From: | "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net> |
It is a 1962 500A with Coleman 300's.
Jim H.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
What model of Commander?
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
>
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but
have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> >Hi Rob,
> >
> >I don't know how many people are on the list.
> >Is there a way to find out?
> >Will "commander-list(at)matronics.com" tell us if we ask?
> >
> >But, a gut feeling is that about 90-95% own a Commander. Some own more
> than one!
> >
> >Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely
a
> >'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you
> Commander
> >"wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Barry
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
> >
> >
> >|
> >| In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time,
> >| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
> >| > Hi Moe, et al,
> >| >
> >| > Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
> >| >
> >| > I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
> >|
> >| Hello, Barry
> >| Could you please give me an idea of how many of us aero commander folks
> are
> >| on this list and how many aircraft do we own?
> >| Thanks,
> >| Rob
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >|
> >| --
> >|
> >|
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Hasler
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net> |
Avionics. I had all new or rebuilt put in and Aircenter had a group working
on it who did not know what they were doing in Chattanooga. I have it at
King in KC now and it is just taking time to find all the miss-wires, broken
instruments and missing wires. I am also going to have to have the new panel
redone because you can't even see all of the instruments due to poor
placement.
Jim Hasler
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RRamm52(at)cs.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
In a message dated 4/12/2005 10:16:36 AM Central Standard Time,
jhasler(at)gte.net writes:
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but
have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
Jim,
What kind of problems? Maybe another opinion is needed?
Thanks,
Rob
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
If we go to this web page how do we find the pilots/ chat members/ members
list?
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Moe, et al,
>
> Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
>
> I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
>
> There was a sort of list, started on the old website. It can still be
accessed,
> as follows, but it needs input from everybody:
>
> Go to www.aerocommander.com/
> Click on 'Library'
> Click on 'Web Archive', and "The Aero Commander Site" page loads
> (www.aerocommander.com/index4.html)
> Scroll down to the very bottom and click on "Twin Commander Owners
Internet
> Registry" (www.aerocommander.com/Documents/owners.html)
>
> But, silly me, it cannot be added to I don't think!!
>
> Perhaps Chris Wall can instigate a newer facility?
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
> High Wycombe, England
> "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Membership List
>
>
> |
> | J.B., Barry (or anyone),
> |
> | Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their
> registration number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what
part
> of the world they are from?
> |
> | Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters
straight
> while reading the posts.
> |
> | If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and
everyone who
> wanted to could type in the info.
> |
> | Regards,
> | Moe Mills
> | N680RR
> | 680F(p)
> | HHR
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
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| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
N47RR 1964 680FLP MR RPM
N345PS 1963 680FP (IGSO-540-B1C)
N6217B 1958 680S (GO480-B1A6)
N818B 1957 680S (GO480-B1A6)
N521W 1960 560E (GO480-G1B6)
N666ZM 1957 560E (GO480-G1B6)
Harry Merritt
321 267-3141
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
I was too. :>)
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Membership List
>
>
> OK.
>
> Geez, Bilbo, I was just in Clermont last Saturday.
>
>
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister (pilot-operator, not owner)
> Ex 560F, 680V, 690A
> 500B, 500S, 690A
> St. Louis - Cincinnati
> 1997 SL500
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Barry Collman
>
> Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely a
> 'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you
> Commander
> "wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
When the Commander web site was maintained by Chris Schuerman there was a
list there, but that was the old days when the site was maintained.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Membership List
>
> J.B., Barry (or anyone),
>
> Is there a "membership list" available which lists the members, their
> registration number, and what type of Commander they have and perhaps what
> part of the world they are from?
>
> Sorry, my memory is so bad that I can't keep the cast of characters
> straight while reading the posts.
>
> If no such list exists, perhaps we could post a spread sheet and everyone
> who wanted to could type in the info.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> HHR
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
Hmmmmmmmmm Aircenter,,,,,,,,,Imagine that.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
>
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but
> have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>
>>Hi Rob,
>>
>>I don't know how many people are on the list.
>>Is there a way to find out?
>>Will "commander-list(at)matronics.com" tell us if we ask?
>>
>>But, a gut feeling is that about 90-95% own a Commander. Some own more
> than one!
>>
>>Trouble is, we have no way of knowing who is 'subscribed', but is purely a
>>'lurker' and has never made a posting to the list. So come on all you
> Commander
>>"wannabe's" - show yourselves!!
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Barry
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com>
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
>>
>>
>>|
>>| In a message dated 4/12/2005 9:23:04 AM Central Standard Time,
>>| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
>>| > Hi Moe, et al,
>>| >
>>| > Are we 'talking' about chatlist subscribers or Flight Group Members?
>>| >
>>| > I haven't got a list for either, but I hope Jimbob has for Members!
>>|
>>| Hello, Barry
>>| Could you please give me an idea of how many of us aero commander folks
> are
>>| on this list and how many aircraft do we own?
>>| Thanks,
>>| Rob
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>| --
>>|
>>|
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Hasler
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
In a message dated 4/12/2005 11:25:06 AM Central Standard Time,
jhasler(at)gte.net writes:
> Avionics. I had all new or rebuilt put in and Aircenter had a group working
> on it who did not know what they were doing in Chattanooga. I have it at
> King in KC now and it is just taking time to find all the miss-wires, broken
> instruments and missing wires. I am also going to have to have the new panel
> redone because you can't even see all of the instruments due to poor
> placement.
>
> Jim Hasler
Thats a shame, Jim
Thats a heck of a fine aircraft to be sitting....
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership List |
JH, AIRCENTER INC. WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT NAME BEFORE? MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hasler<mailto:jhasler(at)gte.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Membership List
Avionics. I had all new or rebuilt put in and Aircenter had a group working
on it who did not know what they were doing in Chattanooga. I have it at
King in KC now and it is just taking time to find all the miss-wires, broken
instruments and missing wires. I am also going to have to have the new panel
redone because you can't even see all of the instruments due to poor
placement.
Jim Hasler
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RRamm52(at)cs.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
In a message dated 4/12/2005 10:16:36 AM Central Standard Time,
jhasler(at)gte.net writes:
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005 I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but
have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
Jim,
What kind of problems? Maybe another opinion is needed?
Thanks,
Rob
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| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP |
I am glad to see it in good hands. They had an inflated idea of value the
first time.
Other than run out engines, props run out, interior shot, no paint, A/P
inop, it was in great condition. It even had a Garmon 430 ( it may have
been the only avionics that worked).
They used it a lot. But with lots of TLC, it will fly on.
Tylor Hall
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
G'day Tylor,
1414S was purchased at auction for an absolute steal of a price...created
some fuss in New Mexico newspapers. Has been fitted out with ferry tanks in
Ca over the past few weeks and is due to arrive in Oz soon.
Regards from Oz
Russell
On 12/4/05 6:08 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Tylor,
>
> N1414S had a test flight in the USA last week, so could now be on its way
to
> Australia, where Steve Nott's General Aviation Maintenance Pty Ltd will
> operate
> it.
>
> They are the Oz equivalent of John Towner's Central Air, with about 30
> Commanders, Most are 500S, with a sprinkling of 680FL, 500B, 681, 690 and
> 690A.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
> High Wycombe, England
> "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Mr RPM Conversion-680FLP
>
>
>
> |
> | The only old or new conversions were a change or option for automatic
waste
> | gates that came some time later in Dick's conversions. The original has
the
> | manual waste gates. Later he added the automatic controllers that
pushed a
> | twin cable that was attached to the waste gates.
> | There were 38 conversions done. I have a file on it someplace with all
the
> | N numbers and what has happened to them. Some are no longer with us.
Barry
> | C has that information as well.
> |
> | Does anyone know what happened to the 680FL with the Mr RPM conversion
that
> | the State of New Mexico was trying to sell? I think it was 4141S. The
> | Governor is looking for a Jet to replace it. NM has owned it for 30+
years
> | and put over 12,000 hours on it. I saw the plane in Santa Fe last fall
when
> | there was a sealed bid. It went to bid twice.
> |
> | Ray, Your problem with MP is a very small leak somewhere in the system.
> | From what you have tried, I would suggest looking at the upper deck
pressure
> | tubing to the injectors like NW Commander suggested. They have put a
lot of
> | hours on MR RPM Commanders over a lot of years. They fly them on Forest
> | Service contracts each summer.
> |
> | Tom, are you going to post some photos of your Twin Commander? Does it
> | still have the MAD boom? Photo can be posted at www.matronics.com .
> |
> | Tylor Hall
> |
> |
> |
> | In a message dated 11-Apr-05 19:53:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
> | hcourier(at)cox.net
> | writes:
> | I just heard today that there are two versions of the Mr. RPM
Conversion,
> | the
> | new one and the old one. Can anyone tell me the difference.
> | Ray,
> |
> | I'm not as current on what Mr. RPM is up to these days (JimBob and Tylor
> | Hall
> | are more so) but this is the first I've heard of "old" and "new"
> | conversions.
> |
> | What I know to be true in the field is that there were full conversions
> | (with
> | bleed air and 5606 hydraulic fluid changes) and some just had the
engines
> | done and kept Skydrol.
> |
> | But I know that MR. RPM has been working on improved RayJays,
intercoolers
> | and auto-waste gates. Maybe that's the "new" conversion, although I
don't
> | know
> | if any have been done yet.
> |
> | Wing Commander Gordon
> |
> |
> | Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
NICE!!!!! air plane Tom, it is a beauty.
Jim
N444BD
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| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
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Tom,
What a great airplane!
I wonder how many line boys forget about a Boom in the back?
Good looking paint job!
Tylor Hall
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NICE!!!!! air plane Tom, it is a beauty.
Jim
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| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
Tom;
Very nice Commander.
Know you are happy to be back flying Commanders again, keep this one dry!
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: tylor.hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To:
> Date: 4/12/2005 11:42:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share
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>
> Tom,
> What a great airplane!
> I wonder how many line boys forget about a Boom in the back?
> Good looking paint job!
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share
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>
> NICE!!!!! air plane Tom, it is a beauty.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
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>
>
> A new Email List Photo Share is available:
>
> Poster: Tom Fisher
>
> Lists: Commander-List
>
> Subject: 680FLP Mr.RPM
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca.04.
> 12.2005/index.html
>
>
> o Main Photo Share Index
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
>
> o Submitting a Photo Share
>
> If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include
the
> following information along with your email message and files:
>
> 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
> 2) Your Full Name:
> 3) Your Email Address:
> 4) One line Subject description:
> 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
> 6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
>
> Email the information above and your files and photos to:
>
> pictures(at)matronics.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
Mmmmmmmmmm, thanks for all the nice comments, yes the inside will stay dry.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share
Available!
>
> Tom;
> Very nice Commander.
> Know you are happy to be back flying Commanders again, keep this one dry!
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: tylor.hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
> > To:
> > Date: 4/12/2005 11:42:19 PM
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share
> Available!
> >
>
> >
> > Tom,
> > What a great airplane!
> > I wonder how many line boys forget about a Boom in the back?
> > Good looking paint job!
> > Tylor Hall
> >
> >
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share
> > Available!
> >
> >
> >
> > NICE!!!!! air plane Tom, it is a beauty.
> >
> > Jim
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Email
> > List Photo Shares
> > To: Email List Photo Shares
> > Subject: Commander-List: [ Tom Fisher ] : New Email List Photo Share
> > Available!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A new Email List Photo Share is available:
> >
> > Poster: Tom Fisher
> >
> > Lists: Commander-List
> >
> > Subject: 680FLP Mr.RPM
> >
> >
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca.04.
> > 12.2005/index.html
> >
> >
> > o Main Photo Share Index
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> >
> > o Submitting a Photo Share
> >
> > If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include
> the
> > following information along with your email message and files:
> >
> > 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to:
> > 2) Your Full Name:
> > 3) Your Email Address:
> > 4) One line Subject description:
> > 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic:
> > 6) One-line Description of each photo or file:
> >
> > Email the information above and your files and photos to:
> >
> > pictures(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | joining the group |
We have just bought a Rockwell 112TC and would like to join the group if
possible? Alan & Kate
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: joining the group |
Hi Alan & Kate,
Don't get me wrong here, you're more than welcome on this chatlist, as one day
you may well wish to own a Twin Commander! In the meantime, you'll have seen a
lot of chat about "do's & don'ts" etc., and how to get the best out of your
airplane.
However, the website www.aerocommander.com/ is for the twin-engined Models.
There is a website at www.commander.org/Bergcom/Tech/Hangar.htm that is
dedicated to the single-engined Rockwell Commander/Commander Aircraft Company,
112 and 114 series.
It seems to have a Forum too, presumably where 'subscribers' can sound one
another out about operating their aircraft.
There's also another site at www.ac11.org/index.htm
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Subject: Commander-List: joining the group
<alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
|
| We have just bought a Rockwell 112TC and would like to join the group if
| possible? Alan & Kate
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Hasler" <jhasler(at)gte.net> |
Yes, we have all heard the talk about Gary Gadsberry and AirCenter. What I
said below is he was using a group that did not know what they were doing
and not anything derogatory about Gary. What I should also say is he is
paying for King Avionics to make repairs to my aero commander and standing
behind his commitment to the aircraft he sold me. If there is one thing I
could complain about AirCenter it is that they did not adequately monitor
the operations and repairs to the plane and therefore he got "took."
I am just a bit impatient to get on with the flying! It has been 13 months
since I purchased N800AC.
Jim H.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
JH, AIRCENTER INC. WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT NAME BEFORE? MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Hasler<mailto:jhasler(at)gte.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Membership List
>
Avionics. I had all new or rebuilt put in and Aircenter had a group
working
on it who did not know what they were doing in Chattanooga. I have it at
King in KC now and it is just taking time to find all the miss-wires,
broken
instruments and missing wires. I am also going to have to have the new
panel
redone because you can't even see all of the instruments due to poor
placement.
Jim Hasler
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RRamm52(at)cs.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership List
RRamm52(at)cs.com
In a message dated 4/12/2005 10:16:36 AM Central Standard Time,
jhasler(at)gte.net writes:
> I bought N800AC from Aircenter last March 2004 and as of this April 2005
I
> am still trying to get it operational. I therefore own a Commander but
have
> yet to get to fly it. I am about ready to get rid of it because of all
the
> problems I have had.
>
>
> Jim Hasler
Jim,
What kind of problems? Maybe another opinion is needed?
Thanks,
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | MR RPM CONVERSION |
Ok guys I emailed everyone who asked for a copy of 800 Commander article, if
I missed anyone let me know.
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Is N6212X on this list?
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | cloudcraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: MR RPM CONVERSION |
-----Original Message-----
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: MR RPM CONVERSION
Ok guys I emailed everyone who asked for a copy of 800 Commander
article, if
I missed anyone let me know.
Better add me to the "me too" list!
Wing Commander Gordon
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Thanks!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MR RPM CONVERSION |
Hello Bert,
I wasn't on your list but I would like to read the article. I fly a 680
FPL and would like to see what I'm missing. Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
hcourier(at)cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: MR RPM CONVERSION
>
> Ok guys I emailed everyone who asked for a copy of 800 Commander article,
> if
> I missed anyone let me know.
>
> Bert
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
Hello,
I'm flying to West Palm Beach tomorrow morning and am turning around and going
to Sun N Fun after dropping off the owners wife at PBI. I fly an AC 680 FLP,
N91ES. If any other commanders are there look me up. Email me if you're
going to be there and I'll give you my cell number. I'll probably be parked in
the overnight camping area, rather than the usual camping area at the West end
of the airport. Too much dust and dirt for the boss's plane there. Staying
until after the airshow Saturday.
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Ray,
Where are you parking the plane. We have our 500 parked at Kissimee
Aviation, Kissimee airport.
Steve and Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfied
Subject: Commander-List: Sun N Fun
Hello,
I'm flying to West Palm Beach tomorrow morning and am turning around and
going to Sun N Fun after dropping off the owners wife at PBI. I fly an AC
680 FLP, N91ES. If any other commanders are there look me up. Email me if
you're going to be there and I'll give you my cell number. I'll probably be
parked in the overnight camping area, rather than the usual camping area at
the West end of the airport. Too much dust and dirt for the boss's plane
there. Staying until after the airshow Saturday.
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: MR RPM CONVERSION |
I would be interested in reading the article, if you would,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: MR RPM CONVERSION
>
> Ok guys I emailed everyone who asked for a copy of 800 Commander article,
if
> I missed anyone let me know.
>
> Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
Hello,
I'm flying in to LAL and will park the plane there for three days two
nights. There are three of us who have been going to SNF five years. We
missed the last three, weather, and I was in Afghanistan and Iraq for the
last two. This year I'm flying for a company that owns this Commander and
it worked out that we will be able to stay 3 days at LAL between taking the
boss here and there. I've been to Kissimmee but we always fly in to the
fly-in. Give me a call if you want to look at my machine. (Cell
850-217-5185)
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sun N Fun
>
> Ray,
>
> Where are you parking the plane. We have our 500 parked at Kissimee
> Aviation, Kissimee airport.
>
> Steve and Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
> Mansfied
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Sun N Fun
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm flying to West Palm Beach tomorrow morning and am turning around
> and
> going to Sun N Fun after dropping off the owners wife at PBI. I fly an AC
> 680 FLP, N91ES. If any other commanders are there look me up. Email me
> if
> you're going to be there and I'll give you my cell number. I'll probably
> be
> parked in the overnight camping area, rather than the usual camping area
> at
> the West end of the airport. Too much dust and dirt for the boss's plane
> there. Staying until after the airshow Saturday.
>
> Ray Mansfield
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion |
Would any of you Mr. RPM Conversion owners be able to give me an idea on
operating cost? Monthly or Yearly?
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion |
After a week I do not think I would have enough data for you but I certainly
would be interested in knowing what others are achieving.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion
>
> Would any of you Mr. RPM Conversion owners be able to give me an idea on
> operating cost? Monthly or Yearly?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion |
TF & BB, THE FIRST YEAR IS HELL. AFTER THAT I THINK IT IS UP TO THE OPERATOR.
MASON
HAVING OPERATED A QUEENAIR WITH THE EXCALIBER CONVERSION IE IO 720. IT WAS GREAT.
IN TWO YEARS AND 450 HRS NOT ONE SCRUBED MISSION FOR ENGINES.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion
After a week I do not think I would have enough data for you but I certainly
would be interested in knowing what others are achieving.
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com>>
To: >
Subject: Commander-List: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion
>
> Would any of you Mr. RPM Conversion owners be able to give me an idea on
> operating cost? Monthly or Yearly?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion |
"The First Year is Hell" can probably describe ANY airplane! My first annual
in my 500B was $40k!
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion
>
> TF & BB, THE FIRST YEAR IS HELL. AFTER THAT I THINK IT IS UP TO THE
OPERATOR. MASON
> HAVING OPERATED A QUEENAIR WITH THE EXCALIBER CONVERSION IE IO 720. IT
WAS GREAT. IN TWO YEARS AND 450 HRS NOT ONE SCRUBED MISSION FOR ENGINES.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion
>
>
>
>
> After a week I do not think I would have enough data for you but I
certainly
> would be interested in knowing what others are achieving.
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com>>
> To: >
> Subject: Commander-List: 680FLP Mr. RPM Conversion
>
>
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
> >
> > Would any of you Mr. RPM Conversion owners be able to give me an idea
on
> > operating cost? Monthly or Yearly?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bert
> >
> >
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade... |
Dear Listers,
I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This includes
some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable processors -
as well as a complete operating system upgrade from scratch. I hope to
have both the old system and the new system running at the same time to
minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but a
few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show up
on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then please
just try posting it again.
Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
to it as often as you like:
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
possible!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MR RPM CONVERSION |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Bert,
I would be very grateful if you could try one more time to send your file.
Many thanks
Russell
On 14/4/05 6:09 AM, "BertBerry1(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> Ok guys I emailed everyone who asked for a copy of 800 Commander article, if
> I missed anyone let me know.
>
> Bert
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! |
Dear Listers,
The upgrade of the Matronics Email Server can be considered complete at
this time. All known issues related to the upgrade process have been
resolved and email services are running normal. The Nightly Digest
processing has not yet been tested and will wait for tonight's update.
If you encounter any odd behavior with respect to the Matronics Email
Server over the next few days, please contact me via email at
dralle(at)matronics.com or if that fails try dralle(at)speakeasy.net.
Thanks to everyone for being patient through this arduous process of a
major system upgrade!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
>Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
>possible!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Sump is my Copilot |
Folks:
I know there has been a lot of fuel over the dam on this one - in fact
that's why I'm posting.
As part of my progressive maintenance program on 11D [by which I mean I am
progressively draining my savings], we opened up the sump and I found
something I thought I would share. SB230A says to check for corrosion of
the magnesium sump. The sump installed in 11D did have corrosion, but
someone had "resined" over the corrosion with something [not sure what].
Perhaps more interesting, my serial number, 1256-80, is supposed to have
dams around the boost pumps and this sump did not. Below is a link to a
side-by-side photo:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/BothSumps2_low.jpg
You can see the corrosion and you can see that there are no dams. A better
look at the new sump with dams - this is a bladder's eys view:
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/newsumpdams1_low.jpg
According to the parts manual, the dams are supposed to be in sumps for
500A's with serial numbers 871-1276, and 500B's with serial numbers
893-1276.
Does anyone know the purpose of these dams? They seem to be designed to
insure a head of fuel for the boost pumps, if somehow the sump is not
absolutely full of fuel at any given momment. Unporting in turbulence?
Or why mine would have been missing them? I guess one possibility is that a
previous owner found the original sump badly corroded and replaced it with
one from an earlier model.
Separate question: After putting everything back together today we found
some leaks around one of the pumps. What vendors work on these and might
have seals?
Pricing: apparently TCAC has not been moving these as fast as they would
like. The list on the sump I needed is $4,000. They have recently dropped
the price - I paid $1,700. I'm not sure what is reasonable, but you can see
reasonable from $1,700.
Lastly, after this week, I truly feel that Sump is mu Copilot.
http://www.kucheck.net/Aircraft/sumpCopilot_low.jpg
Alan
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: MR RPM CONVERSION |
Its on the way Russel,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: MR RPM CONVERSION |
I got it back again. Keeps saying that your mail box has reached its quota.
Sorry,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Randy D. on Frequency? |
Hey Randy Dettmer,
Are you N6253X? I heard you call in yesterday (Sunday) afternoon. I was flying
home to PAO from Palm Springs with a couple of friends and had just switched to
NorCal Approach frequency. It sounded like you were making your way back to
SBP. If they weren't so busy I would have called out a hello.
There are so few Aero Commanders flying, it's always a pleasure to hear another
on frequency. Especially on a day that's as beautiful for aviation as yesterday
was.
Cheers,
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Randy D. on Frequency? |
Hey John,
Yes that was me. Flew up to Hayward to spend the weekend with friends and
drop our daughter off to catch a flight to London and a month in Europe.
Thought I heard another Commander on the frequency...guess that was you. We
were on our way home, and working NorCal Approach for flight following.
It's always interesting on the trip home from HWD, as the direct route goes
right through the approaches into San Jose. Approach likes to keep us to
the east until plenty high.
When are you coming down to our paradise in California (SBP)..??
Randy D
N6253X / 680F
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Commander-List: Randy D. on Frequency?
Hey Randy Dettmer,
Are you N6253X? I heard you call in yesterday (Sunday) afternoon. I was
flying home to PAO from Palm Springs with a couple of friends and had just
switched to NorCal Approach frequency. It sounded like you were making your
way back to SBP. If they weren't so busy I would have called out a hello.
There are so few Aero Commanders flying, it's always a pleasure to hear
another on frequency. Especially on a day that's as beautiful for aviation
as yesterday was.
Cheers,
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | barshalom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Performance charts |
Anybody out there have any suggestions as to where to obtain takeoff/landing performance
charts/tables for a stock 500B at field elevations up to 14,000 feet?
Bill
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Performance charts |
Out of my manual?
Tom F. (a former 500B owner)
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: <barshalom(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Performance charts
>
> Anybody out there have any suggestions as to where to obtain
takeoff/landing performance charts/tables for a stock 500B at field
elevations up to 14,000 feet?
>
> Bill
> N69PT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Commander Folks:
As some of you may remember, last week I inquired if anyone was interested in a
list of those who use this forum fairly often. I for one can't seem to keep
the cast of characters straight sometimes (is that the guy in California, or the
guy in Australia?)
My assistant Alma has started a list in Microsoft Excel which lists the email address
of recent posters. Please open up the enclosed attachment in Excel, add
your info., and email it back to moe(at)rosspistons.com. When it is filled in
Alma will spam everyone.
Thanks!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Moe,
I'd be happy to add my $0.02 to your list, but I didn't see one
attached.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
Commander Folks:
As some of you may remember, last week I inquired if anyone was
interested in a list of those who use this forum fairly often. I for
one can't seem to keep the cast of characters straight sometimes (is
that the guy in California, or the guy in Australia?)
My assistant Alma has started a list in Microsoft Excel which lists the
email address of recent posters. Please open up the enclosed attachment
in Excel, add your info., and email it back to moe(at)rosspistons.com.
When it is filled in Alma will spam everyone.
Thanks!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
Moe wrote:
> As some of you may remember, last week I inquired if anyone was interested in
a list
Thanks Moe!
That list was always much appreciated as it allowed folks to get in
contact with fellow owners during their travels. Many of us made good
friends due to the owners list. I, for one, would really like to see it
back on the web site and active. Most other type groups do that with
great success.
Along those same lines, is there anyone on the list with the strong
interest, ability, and time to update and maintain the web site?
cheers,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Same here, I thought it was my old age.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stan
Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
Hi Moe,
I'd be happy to add my $0.02 to your list, but I didn't see one
attached.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
Commander Folks:
As some of you may remember, last week I inquired if anyone was
interested in a list of those who use this forum fairly often. I for
one can't seem to keep the cast of characters straight sometimes (is
that the guy in California, or the guy in Australia?)
My assistant Alma has started a list in Microsoft Excel which lists the
email address of recent posters. Please open up the enclosed attachment
in Excel, add your info., and email it back to moe(at)rosspistons.com.
When it is filled in Alma will spam everyone.
Thanks!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
>
> Commander Folks:
>
> As some of you may remember, last week I inquired if anyone was interested
in a list of those who use this forum fairly often. I for one can't seem to
keep the cast of characters straight sometimes (is that the guy in
California, or the guy in Australia?)
>
> My assistant Alma has started a list in Microsoft Excel which lists the
email address of recent posters. Please open up the enclosed attachment in
Excel, add your info., and email it back to moe(at)rosspistons.com. When it is
filled in Alma will spam everyone.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
Moe wrote:
> Please open up the enclosed attachment
Moe,
You can't post an attachment to the list. That's a feature to keep out
viruses (viruii?) and other nasties...
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
Hi, Moe
I'm in. Just don't see attachment....
Rob AC50
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
Chris,
Thanks, we will do it the old fashoned way and send it to each indivudal
seperatly. Each person can add their info and send it back to us, and we
will merg the data and send it back to whoever wants it.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
>
>
> Moe wrote:
> > Please open up the enclosed attachment
>
> Moe,
> You can't post an attachment to the list. That's a feature to keep out
> viruses (viruii?) and other nasties...
>
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Moe:
I don't post much, but would like to be listed so people can find me!
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Moe
Chris,
Thanks, we will do it the old fashoned way and send it to each indivudal
seperatly. Each person can add their info and send it back to us, and we
will merg the data and send it back to whoever wants it.
Regards,
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Glide Ratios |
The owner of the 685 here on my field is about to take a BFR now that his
annual inspection and spar cap inspection is finished. His instructor gave
him a question list for him to complete for the oral portion. One was what
is the engines out glide ratio and at what IAS. He says that he has looked
through his owners manual and can't find the glide ratio anywhere. For that
matter, I couldn't find it listed in mine for my 500B either.
Any clues? We are guessing that it is about 6 to 1, but something better
than a guess would be nice.
Thanks,
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Performance Charts |
What? Takeoff & landing at 14K in a stock 500B. That must be exciting!
Larry Wokral
>From: barshalom(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Performance charts
Anybody out there have any suggestions as to where to obtain takeoff/landing
performance
charts/tables for a stock 500B at field elevations up to 14,000 feet?
Bill
N69PT>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratios |
I myself would love to know, but I think his instructor needs to
double-check the requirements for multi-engine testing. As I recall, there
are no requirements for a mfr. to publish a glide ratio for a twin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
> The owner of the 685 here on my field is about to take a BFR now that his
> annual inspection and spar cap inspection is finished. His instructor gave
> him a question list for him to complete for the oral portion. One was what
> is the engines out glide ratio and at what IAS. He says that he has looked
> through his owners manual and can't find the glide ratio anywhere. For
that
> matter, I couldn't find it listed in mine for my 500B either.
>
> Any clues? We are guessing that it is about 6 to 1, but something better
> than a guess would be nice.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry Wokral
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
Not to mention a great trivia question....how many 14,000MSL airfields are
there in the USA?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Performance Charts
>
> What? Takeoff & landing at 14K in a stock 500B. That must be exciting!
>
> Larry Wokral
>
> >From: barshalom(at)aol.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Performance charts
>
>
> Anybody out there have any suggestions as to where to obtain
takeoff/landing
> performance
> charts/tables for a stock 500B at field elevations up to 14,000 feet?
>
> Bill
> N69PT>
>
>
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratios |
Good Morning John,
It is fairly easy to get a ball park figure.
Set up a glide at best L/D speed and note the rate of descent.
If you want more accuracy, you could time the altitude loss
to check on the accuracy of the VSI.
After you have found the numbers with the engines at idle,
try it with them both set at the zero thrust figure as used for
simulating a feathered engine. You could also try the exercise
with the propellors set for maximum pitch as well as minimum
pitch. On many airplanes that do not have full feathering
propellors, the glide ratio can be increased dramatically by
pulling the props back to max pitch (low RPM).
After the rate of descent has been noted, calculate the TAS
and convert that to feet per minute. Using that and the rate of
descent the glide angle is easy to calculate.
I would say that the Aero Commander with props feathered
should have glide ratio around seventeen or eighteen to one.
With throttles closed and props set at cruise, I would expect
something around ten or twelve to one. Let us know what
you find out!
Haven't flown a Commander in at least forty years.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
In a message dated 4/20/2005 9:49:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
I myself would love to know, but I think his instructor needs to
double-check the requirements for multi-engine testing. As I recall, there
are no requirements for a mfr. to publish a glide ratio for a twin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratios |
Gents:
This engine out glide info. also does not appear to be available for
680F(p). I have always felt that about one mile of glide (minimum) per
1,000 feet at gross (8,000 lbs.) would probably be a pretty good guess.
Does anyone have a better suggestion?
Moe
608F(p)
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
> I myself would love to know, but I think his instructor needs to
> double-check the requirements for multi-engine testing. As I recall, there
> are no requirements for a mfr. to publish a glide ratio for a twin.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
>
>
> >
> > The owner of the 685 here on my field is about to take a BFR now that
his
> > annual inspection and spar cap inspection is finished. His instructor
gave
> > him a question list for him to complete for the oral portion. One was
what
> > is the engines out glide ratio and at what IAS. He says that he has
looked
> > through his owners manual and can't find the glide ratio anywhere. For
> that
> > matter, I couldn't find it listed in mine for my 500B either.
> >
> > Any clues? We are guessing that it is about 6 to 1, but something better
> > than a guess would be nice.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Larry Wokral
> >
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
So far on Google, the highest I've been able to find is the Breckenridge, CO
STOL port (considered STOL even with a 4,000' runway because of its
altitude) at 9,401 MSL. Anyone know any that are higher?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Performance Charts
>
> Not to mention a great trivia question....how many 14,000MSL airfields are
> there in the USA?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Commander e-mail list"
> Subject: Commander-List: Performance Charts
>
>
>
> >
> > What? Takeoff & landing at 14K in a stock 500B. That must be exciting!
> >
> > Larry Wokral
> >
> > >From: barshalom(at)aol.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Performance charts
> >
> >
> > Anybody out there have any suggestions as to where to obtain
> takeoff/landing
> > performance
> > charts/tables for a stock 500B at field elevations up to 14,000 feet?
> >
> > Bill
> > N69PT>
> >
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
In a message dated 20-Apr-05 08:07:38 Pacific Daylight Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
Not to mention a great trivia question....how many 14,000MSL airfields are
there in the USA?
Zero.
La Paz, Bolivia: 13,325'
Sounds like the instructor is using an single engine airplane template for
his Flight Review.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
On 4/20/05 10:28 AM, "John Vormbaum" wrote:
> So far on Google, the highest I've been able to find is the Breckenridge, CO
> STOL port (considered STOL even with a 4,000' runway because of its
> altitude) at 9,401 MSL. Anyone know any that are higher?
http://www.leadvilleairport.com/
Elevation 9927' - Highest Airport in North America
Lake County - Leadville Airport is the highest airport in North America and
the third highest in the world. Two higher airports exist in the South
American Andean Mountains. This "highest" distinction is very important
because the performance of an aircraft (ability to take off and climb well)
deteriorates rapidly with altitude. In fact, many aircraft are operating
above their manufacturer's specification altitudes when flying in Leadville.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
check Leadville, CO
Jim Carroll
Seattle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
Hi All,
The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14 May.
We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by a
visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably large
puddle.
we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy
Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone.
The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and Chicago
at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing up
right and having the seasons at the right time of year).
Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a mail
with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer.
Regards
Richard
I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Performance Charts |
I put the AVGAS and Jet A tank at Leadville about 5 years ago.
Even a turbocharged airplane uses a lot of runway up there.
You can land during the day, but plan on taking off in the early AM.
DA in the summer can reach over 13,000'.
Richard,
If you are flying from Las Vegas to Chicago, you may be flying by
Albuquerque.
Stop and say "Goo' Day"
Tylor Hall
> So far on Google, the highest I've been able to find is the Breckenridge,
CO
> STOL port (considered STOL even with a 4,000' runway because of its
> altitude) at 9,401 MSL. Anyone know any that are higher?
http://www.leadvilleairport.com/
Elevation 9927' - Highest Airport in North America
Lake County - Leadville Airport is the highest airport in North America and
the third highest in the world. Two higher airports exist in the South
American Andean Mountains. This "highest" distinction is very important
because the performance of an aircraft (ability to take off and climb well)
deteriorates rapidly with altitude. In fact, many aircraft are operating
above their manufacturer's specification altitudes when flying in Leadville.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
Moe,
No attachment ?
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 09:41 20/04/2005, you wrote:
>
>Commander Folks:
>
>As some of you may remember, last week I inquired if anyone was interested
>in a list of those who use this forum fairly often. I for one can't seem
>to keep the cast of characters straight sometimes (is that the guy in
>California, or the guy in Australia?)
>
>My assistant Alma has started a list in Microsoft Excel which lists the
>email address of recent posters. Please open up the enclosed attachment
>in Excel, add your info., and email it back to moe(at)rosspistons.com. When
>it is filled in Alma will spam everyone.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Moe Mills
>N680RR
>680F(p)
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratios |
What the hell did we spend all this money to avoid? Get a new instructor!
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
> I myself would love to know, but I think his instructor needs to
> double-check the requirements for multi-engine testing. As I recall, there
> are no requirements for a mfr. to publish a glide ratio for a twin.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
>
>
>>
>> The owner of the 685 here on my field is about to take a BFR now that his
>> annual inspection and spar cap inspection is finished. His instructor
>> gave
>> him a question list for him to complete for the oral portion. One was
>> what
>> is the engines out glide ratio and at what IAS. He says that he has
>> looked
>> through his owners manual and can't find the glide ratio anywhere. For
> that
>> matter, I couldn't find it listed in mine for my 500B either.
>>
>> Any clues? We are guessing that it is about 6 to 1, but something better
>> than a guess would be nice.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Larry Wokral
>>
>>
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>>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
Hey Gordon,
Have we annexed Bolivia?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Performance Charts
>
> In a message dated 20-Apr-05 08:07:38 Pacific Daylight Time,
> john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
> Not to mention a great trivia question....how many 14,000MSL airfields are
> there in the USA?
> Zero.
>
> La Paz, Bolivia: 13,325'
>
> Sounds like the instructor is using an single engine airplane template for
> his Flight Review.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
In a message dated 20-Apr-05 18:40:28 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Hey Gordon,
Have we annexed Bolivia?
Yes, but it didn't get much press.
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Glide Ratios |
Two engines would generally make the point of the question mute. Glide
ratios are published for all singles, but with the exception of the MD80
manual, I have not seen it included among the multis.
> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Bow <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Date: 4/20/2005 9:37:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
>
> What the hell did we spend all this money to avoid? Get a new instructor!
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
>
>
> >
> > I myself would love to know, but I think his instructor needs to
> > double-check the requirements for multi-engine testing. As I recall,
there
> > are no requirements for a mfr. to publish a glide ratio for a twin.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Glide Ratios
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> The owner of the 685 here on my field is about to take a BFR now that
his
> >> annual inspection and spar cap inspection is finished. His instructor
> >> gave
> >> him a question list for him to complete for the oral portion. One was
> >> what
> >> is the engines out glide ratio and at what IAS. He says that he has
> >> looked
> >> through his owners manual and can't find the glide ratio anywhere. For
> > that
> >> matter, I couldn't find it listed in mine for my 500B either.
> >>
> >> Any clues? We are guessing that it is about 6 to 1, but something
better
> >> than a guess would be nice.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Larry Wokral
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
The main reason to have two engines is you hope you only lose one. Bob
Hoover lost both and a crew on an Eastern L-1011 lost all three and I
believe a B-747 lost all four going through a volcano cloud at night so it
can happen.
Jim A
N444BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
Folks,
Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
Re. the volcano, the BA event (Mt. Gulangung, Java) received all the
publicity, including the Captain, on Australian network 9 TV, describing,
live to air, the night approach into Halim with two engines sort of
running, and almost 0 viz. through pumice blasted windscreens as ----"Like
negotiating your way up a badger's arsehole". ---- NO 2 second bleeb out
delays on TV, unlike talkback radio.
Interestingly, the following night, SQ had the same thing happen in almost
the same place, but news management in Singapore is tight, the second event
is almost unknown, except to those of us in the area.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 12:41 21/04/2005, you wrote:
>
>
>
>The main reason to have two engines is you hope you only lose one. Bob
>Hoover lost both and a crew on an Eastern L-1011 lost all three and I
>believe a B-747 lost all four going through a volcano cloud at night so it
>can happen.
>
>Jim A
>N444BD
>
>
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| From: | "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> |
Richard, most of the snow should be gone by your arrival. Temps should be
above freezing for at least two hours per day since we now see the sun for 3
hours a day. Not really, temps should be comfortable in the mid 60's to mid
70's. Looking forward to Jackie's visit, and I guess yours too.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit
Hi All,
The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14 May.
We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by a
visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably
large puddle.
we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy
Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone.
The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and Chicago
at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing up
right and having the seasons at the right time of year).
Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a mail
with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer.
Regards
Richard
I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes:
Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
Good point.
I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
We have them in the Falcons and the best L-over-D is marked.
But back to the question at hand: I've yet to see Best Glide Speed published
for a Part 23 twin.
As BilBo points out, if you pay enough money the FAA dismisses a line in the
POH.
A badger's arsehole, eh? That's got to be worse than flying up a muskrat's
... and no, I haven't but I have a friend who has.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
In a message dated 4/21/2005 8:47:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)AOL.COM writes:
I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
there is an Angle of Attack indicator
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
I don't know anything about the Air Bus, but the 767s that I flew were not
equipped with an AOA indicator. It seems that the FAA has so many "ands, ifs,
and buts" involved in establishing certified V speeds that they are often
not what you and I think they should be. The result was that they did not
install AOA gauges because they felt we aviators would get confused by the facts!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Glide Ratio / Performance Charts |
You guys are all too funny!
One of these days just for grins I just might use Bob Siegfried's suggestion
and figure it out on my 500B. The 685 owner's instructor (who I also know
pretty well) used to own and fly a DC3, and he swears that one was published
for it. I'll give him a hard time for obviously using a single engine
template for a twin's BFR anyway.
I once took my turbonormalized C177RG Cardinal into Leadville on an early
Fall day during a Cardinal Club convention fly out. I had no trouble, but
some of the normally aspirated folks did sweat a little getting out of
there.
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bilbo <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
Unless that's one of those "I don't know what it does" clocks. I have never seen
one on a transport. But then again the only one I flew that was still in production
was the 727 and just by a few months.
It seems to me that when I was checking out on the Baron 30 years ago there was
a best glide speed on the 1968(I think), D-55. In fact I think it was 110.
bilbo
Life is always simple If you can ignore the jerks.
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out
In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes:
Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
Good point.
I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
We have them in the Falcons and the best L-over-D is marked.
But back to the question at hand: I've yet to see Best Glide Speed published
for a Part 23 twin.
As BilBo points out, if you pay enough money the FAA dismisses a line in the
POH.
A badger's arsehole, eh? That's got to be worse than flying up a muskrat's
... and no, I haven't but I have a friend who has.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AAInstalls(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Performance Charts |
Leadville, Colorado.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Now Buddy you know you never see the sun Michigan except for one, maybe two
days in July.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit
>
>
> Richard, most of the snow should be gone by your arrival. Temps should be
> above freezing for at least two hours per day since we now see the sun for
> 3
> hours a day. Not really, temps should be comfortable in the mid 60's to
> mid
> 70's. Looking forward to Jackie's visit, and I guess yours too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> RnJThompson(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re:USA Visit
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14
> May.
> We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by
> a
> visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably
> large puddle.
> we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy
> Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone.
>
> The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and
> Chicago
> at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing
> up
> right and having the seasons at the right time of year).
>
> Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a
> mail
> with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer.
>
> Regards
> Richard
> I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna!
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
Hi,
If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread sheet) to me to be
on the Commander List Spread Sheet please email the following information to
moe(at)rosspistons.com
Your Name
email address
Aircraft N number
Aircraft Model
Home Airport,
State or Country
Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less)
Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The reason for this list
is to assist some of us bad memory types in keeping "the cast of characters"
straight.
My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has listed, a copy next
Tuesday.
Regards,
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
Gentleman,
Who the best supplier for engine plugs and windshield covers for the 500S. I
was told the Lee Bailey's in Calif. was but they said the do not.
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
Hi Moe,
I did return the Excel file with our info but here it is again
Commander NW LTD
500S N210HD
500S N634CT
680FL N7UP MR RPM
680FL N98UP MR RPM
690A N222ME
690A N57096
We do Marine mammal research in Alaska, Navy marine mammal research on the
East Coast
and USFS fire contract work.
Base KEAT East Wenathcee Wa.
Mike Floyd Director of Maintenance
floydgm(at)hotmail.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Listing of Commander Folks |
MM, PHONE NUMBERS WOULD BE NICE TO CONTACT IF VISITING DIFFERENT AIRPORTS WHERE
COMMANDERS RESIDE. MASON
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks
Hi,
If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread sheet) to me to be on the Commander List Spread Sheet please email the following information to moe(at)rosspistons.com
Your Name
email address
Aircraft N number
Aircraft Model
Home Airport,
State or Country
Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less)
Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The reason for this
list is to assist some of us bad memory types in keeping "the cast of characters"
straight.
My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has listed, a copy
next Tuesday.
Regards,
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
Ken;
Don't know about engine plugs or who is best, but I got my cover for my
560E at Sun & Fun last year from Bruce's Covering from CA., and I have been
pleased, I marked the holes for Temp. probe and Ant. and sent it to them,
they did them correctly and monagramed my N number on the cover.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: <KenWHyde(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Date: 4/21/2005 3:46:36 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers
>
>
> Gentleman,
>
> Who the best supplier for engine plugs and windshield covers for the
500S. I
> was told the Lee Bailey's in Calif. was but they said the do not.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Hyde
> N47AC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Listing of Commander Folks |
Ken Hyde
kenwhyde(at)aol.com
540-347-1909
N47AC
500S Serial #3200
Culpeper, Va (CJR)
Restoration shop is at Warrenton, Va. About 30 minutes from IAD where the new
NASM museum is located. About 60 miles from DCA. CJR outside the ADIZ and
cheaper fuel.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
Thanks, Don
Ken
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers |
Ken;
I live just south of Atlanta, but my lady friend lives about a mile from
MT. Vernon, so since I am retired I spend about half my time up there.
Have been to the new museum and enjoyed it. Maybe our paths will cross one
day, I seldom fly up just due to the time I spend, the restrictions in the
area and the cost involved when its only me, cheaper by far to fly AirTran.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: <KenWHyde(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Date: 4/21/2005 4:28:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cowl plugs/Windshield covers
>
>
> Thanks, Don
>
> Ken
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
In a message dated 4/21/05 2:42:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jtaddington(at)charter.net writes:
> The main reason to have two engines is you hope you only lose one. Bob
> Hoover lost both and a crew on an Eastern L-1011 lost all three and I
> believe a B-747 lost all four going through a volcano cloud at night so it
> can happen.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
Yes, Its nice when both run well. Crossed 800 miles of Caribbean today in our
AC50.
Nice flight. 4 hrs. 20 minutes block to block, crosswind.....
Rob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER LIST |
I,too, feel lost in the hinterlands N.E. of Reno,Nevada. Dan Brady--`58
AC-500 - N6277B
P.O.Box 1778 Fernley,NV.89408
1-775-575-6822
--- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER LIST
>
>
> Moe:
>
> I don't post much, but would like to be listed so people can find me!
>
>
> ___________________________
> Deneal Schilmeister
> St. Louis - Cincinnati
> 1997 SL500
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Moe
>
>
> Chris,
>
> Thanks, we will do it the old fashoned way and send it to each indivudal
> seperatly. Each person can add their info and send it back to us, and we
> will merg the data and send it back to whoever wants it.
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
In a message dated 21-Apr-05 08:29:22 Pacific Daylight Time, BobsV35B(at)aol.com
writes:
The result was that they did not
install AOA gauges because they felt we aviators would get confused by the
facts!
That makes perfect sense, Old Bob. Thank gawd the FAA is so smart.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
Can't speak for the A330, but there is no AoA on any of the B767/B744 ( and
certainly not on the B707 or B747/100-200-300) I have flown, the best we
had to go on was the best holding speed for any weight, min. drag speed,
nead enough to best L/D.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
At 23:45 21/04/2005, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
>wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes:
>Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent Air
>Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
>Good point.
>
>I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
>there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
>
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Two Engine Out |
Only ones that used it primarily and consistently to my knowledge is the
Navy fliers for landings.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> To:
> Date: 4/21/2005 9:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Two Engine Out
>
>
> Can't speak for the A330, but there is no AoA on any of the B767/B744 (
and
> certainly not on the B707 or B747/100-200-300) I have flown, the best we
> had to go on was the best holding speed for any weight, min. drag speed,
> nead enough to best L/D.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
>
> At 23:45 21/04/2005, you wrote:
> >
> >In a message dated 20-Apr-05 23:42:01 Pacific Daylight Time,
> >wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes:
> >Let's not forget the Gimli Glider, the out of fuel B767, or the recent
Air
> >Transat A330 dead stick onto a dot in the Atlantic.
> >Good point.
> >
> >I haven't visited the flight deck of either of those types, but I'd guess
> >there is an Angle of Attack indicator.
> >
> >
> >Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> >
> >
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
Don Falik
790 W. Lawrence Ave.
Charlotte, Mi. 48813
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Flying 1970 500S
Serial #3080
I don't post much as I've just started flying twin commander last June
but I read it every night.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks
Ken Hyde
kenwhyde(at)aol.com
540-347-1909
N47AC
500S Serial #3200
Culpeper, Va (CJR)
Restoration shop is at Warrenton, Va. About 30 minutes from IAD where
the new
NASM museum is located. About 60 miles from DCA. CJR outside the ADIZ
and
cheaper fuel.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
And you thought a 14000 foot landing was high.
Jim A
N444BD
INDIAN PILOTS HONORED FOR HIGH-ALTITUDE RESCUE
Two Indian air force helicopter pilots visited the National Air &
Space Museum in Washington, D.C., last week to accept an award for a
record-setting high-altitude rescue flight in the Himalayas last May.
The two pilots landed their Cheetah helicopter at 23,240 feet on a
glacier to rescue three critically hurt mountaineers. Wing Commander
S.K. Sharma and co-pilot Flight Lieutenant A.P. Dhanake made the
landing despite turbulent conditions and high winds. The helicopter's
official service ceiling is about 17,700 feet. India is working on
building a beefed-up helicopter that could fly rescue missions above
25,000 feet.
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/385-full.html#189523
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Commander Listers,
I have been pleased with Bruce's Covers. I have purchased covers for 3
different types of aircraft for them personally, and we use them for
all of our L-39's at www.worldwidewarbirds.com.
I have CC'd Bruce in this email so you can contact him
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Commander List...JB is Missing |
Hi Folks,
Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on the Excel
Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Hi Moe,
I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for nearly three
weeks, from May 2nd.
His Email address is:
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
| Hi Folks,
|
| Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on the
Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
|
| Moe Mills
| N680RR
| 680F(p)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Yes, he has been suspiciously quiet; but you can probably find him at
yourTCFG(at)aol.com
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on the
Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
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| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Hi Moe:
I tried your email direct with this, but it got kicked back.
Jerry Sprayberry
N198JW
680F(P)
Lafayette Ga. (9A5)
(706) 857-1466
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on the
> Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I have had one on mine for about 3 years and I think it's well worth the
money.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Covers
>
> Commander Listers,
>
> I have been pleased with Bruce's Covers. I have purchased covers for 3
> different types of aircraft for them personally, and we use them for
> all of our L-39's at www.worldwidewarbirds.com.
>
> I have CC'd Bruce in this email so you can contact him
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I have wing and engine covers that are badly in need of cleaning &
degreasing respectively, where would one send these items for cleaning?
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Covers
>
> I have had one on mine for about 3 years and I think it's well worth the
> money.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Covers
>
>
> >
> > Commander Listers,
> >
> > I have been pleased with Bruce's Covers. I have purchased covers for 3
> > different types of aircraft for them personally, and we use them for
> > all of our L-39's at www.worldwidewarbirds.com.
> >
> > I have CC'd Bruce in this email so you can contact him
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com |
DON'T FORGET YOUR SWIM SUITS, I'LL FIRE UP THE HOT TUB AND ORDER IN QUALITY
AMERICAN BREW FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT. MAYBE IT WILL BE WARM ENOUGH FOR THE
SWIMMING POOL. PLANNING ON TAKING YOU TWO TO THE COTTAGE AND ENJOYING THE
JET SKI'S AND SLOW BOATING ON THE PONTOON. SEE YOU SOON.
RnJThompson(at)aol.com writes:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The wife and I will be visiting the Good Ol US of A from 1 May thru 14 May.
> We apparently are going to some gambling joint in the desert, followed by a
> visit for a couple of days to a large hole in the ground and a reasonably large
> puddle.
> we then proceed in a NE direction ending up in the clutches of one Buddy
> Windham.and visits to a place of rapids and the home of one a Capone.
>
> The question I have to ask is. What is the weather like in Vegas and Chicago
> at this time of year? ( Once again experiencing the prospect of standing up
> right and having the seasons at the right time of year).
>
> Anyone wanting to get together for a couple of pints in Vegas,give us a mail
> with contact details and we will go and test that stuff you call beer.
>
> Regards
> Richard
> I would rather push my Commander than fly a Cessna!
>
>
>
>
>
>
H.W."Buddy" Windham
President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
Excalibur Contracting, Inc.
The Windham Companies, Inc.
L&B Investors, LLC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | My how times change |
Ok, quick perspective check:
My first flying lesson was at MDW in Chicago, 1968. Back then, all the air
carrier traffic that had once relied on MDW had evacuated to the new and
huge ORD. There were two United flights a day; that was it for airline
traffic. Still, somehow, they were always behind me on final. On my first
solo the tower called as I was turning final, "Cessna 14F, traffic is a 727
on final over the lake, no delay on the runway." Then as I was flaring,
"14F, NO DELAY ON THE RUNWAY." Needless to say I took the highspeed at high
speed. It was just as well, of course, because if you landed long, the
runway got really bad - cracks, potholes large enough to swallow small
nosewheels, and 4 foot tall weeds.
Today I'm planning a summer trip and decided to find out what things are
like now. A quick call to Signature reveals that just to pick up a passenger
[my wife will be meeting me in Chicago] I would have to pay the following:
$25 landing fee [city]
$38 security fee [airport]
$90 handling fee [Signature, but I'm sure the other FBOs have theirs too],
and
$25 parking fee if there for more than one hour
Grand total: $178 for quick in, pick up, and out. Whew! Oh, but since I'm a
Signature tenant in SoCal, I will get the .35/gal discount from the
$4.98/gal fuel charge. So if I purchase 50 gals at $4.63, for $232, they
will waive the handling fee. Oh, well that's different. ;>)
I think I will fly into DuPage and rent a car for $30.
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Barry,
Any chance that you will be coming through LAX and have some time?
Also, we will be in England late in July with N680RR. When plans are
finalized we will contact you...remember Linn and I buy Dinner this time.
Regards
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for nearly
three
> weeks, from May 2nd.
>
> His Email address is:
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
>
>
> |
> | Hi Folks,
> |
> | Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on
the
> Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
> |
> | Moe Mills
> | N680RR
> | 680F(p)
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Hi Moe,
No, I won't be coming through LAX. I'm routing LHR-ORD (cigarette break)
ORD-SEA. Same for the return journey.
I'm really looking forward to seeing you both in July. Not having to worry about
things like scrounging time off work nowadays, I can get to see you any time!
Any idea yet what airfields you'll be visiting?
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
| Barry,
|
| Any chance that you will be coming through LAX and have some time?
|
| Also, we will be in England late in July with N680RR. When plans are
| finalized we will contact you...remember Linn and I buy Dinner this time.
|
| Regards
|
| Moe
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi Moe,
| >
| > I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for nearly
| three
| > weeks, from May 2nd.
| >
| > His Email address is:
| > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
| >
| > Very Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
| > To:
| > Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
| >
| >
| > |
| > | Hi Folks,
| > |
| > | Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on
| the
| > Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
| > |
| > | Moe Mills
| > | N680RR
| > | 680F(p)
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| >
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Hi Barry,
Not yet...will advise later (after May 14th.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> No, I won't be coming through LAX. I'm routing LHR-ORD (cigarette break)
> ORD-SEA. Same for the return journey.
>
> I'm really looking forward to seeing you both in July. Not having to worry
about
> things like scrounging time off work nowadays, I can get to see you any
time!
>
> Any idea yet what airfields you'll be visiting?
>
> Kindest Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
>
>
> |
> | Barry,
> |
> | Any chance that you will be coming through LAX and have some time?
> |
> | Also, we will be in England late in July with N680RR. When plans are
> | finalized we will contact you...remember Linn and I buy Dinner this
time.
> |
> | Regards
> |
> | Moe
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | To:
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
> |
> |
> | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | >
> | > Hi Moe,
> | >
> | > I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for
nearly
> | three
> | > weeks, from May 2nd.
> | >
> | > His Email address is:
> | > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> | >
> | > Very Best Regards,
> | > Barry
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> | > To:
> | > Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
> | >
> | >
> | > |
> | > | Hi Folks,
> | > |
> | > | Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't
on
> | the
> | > Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
> | > |
> | > | Moe Mills
> | > | N680RR
> | > | 680F(p)
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> | > --
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> |
> |
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My how times change |
Alan Kucheck wrote:
> Grand total: $178 for quick in, pick up, and out.
That's positivly criminal!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cover cleaning |
On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
> I have wing and engine covers that are badly in need of cleaning &
> degreasing respectively, where would one send these items for cleaning?
> Tom F.
Hi Tom,
Believe it or not there is this stuff call "Goop" that is a hand
cleaner and stain lifter. The only thing I know that takes dirty
engine oil out of most of my clothes...and my covers! You can get it
at most stores....
B
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Barry,
What will be your last day at Twin Commander? I'm planning a visit on
May 23rd and hope our schedules will coincide for at least a day!
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Moe,
I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for nearly
three
weeks, from May 2nd.
His Email address is:
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
| Hi Folks,
|
| Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on
the
Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
|
| Moe Mills
| N680RR
| 680F(p)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net> |
| Subject: | Re: My how times change |
----- Original Message -----
>
>
> Ok, quick perspective check:
>
> My first flying lesson was at MDW in Chicago, 1968. >
>Alan!----With the exception of 3yrs. spent "touring" with my Uncle Sam I
>flew out of MDW from the late '40s through 1983 in many different
>operations & aircraft. In 1983, due to ever increasing costs of doing
>business & pressure from the powers above to eliminate all but major
>aircarrier traffic, we moved our operation to the middle of the Mojave
>desert where we thought we would be free of most the hassles & carry on in
>a semi-retirerment mode......but that's another story best told accompanied
>by several pitchers of very dry martinis. After your first lesson did you
>continue to fly out of MDW? If so maybe we could swap war stories some
>time. Also look into Aurora airport for service & rental car. They used to
>be very accommodating but I haven't been in there for several yrs. Dan
>Brady
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Visit to TCAC |
Hi Stan,
Ah! I leave Seattle on the 23rd, the flight goes about 14:00hrs, I think. And,
we may be driving up from Aurora, Oregon that morning!
Still, see you at the Fly-In?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Visit to TCAC
|
| Hi Barry,
|
| What will be your last day at Twin Commander? I'm planning a visit on
| May 23rd and hope our schedules will coincide for at least a day!
|
| Regards,
| Stan
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Moe,
|
| I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for nearly
| three
| weeks, from May 2nd.
|
| His Email address is:
| YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
| To:
| Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
|
||
|| Hi Folks,
||
|| Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't on
| the
| Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
||
|| Moe Mills
|| N680RR
|| 680F(p)
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
|| --
||
||
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Barry,
I guess we'll miss each other in Seattle, but I'll be sure to see you at
the TCFG fly-in!
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Visit to TCAC
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Stan,
Ah! I leave Seattle on the 23rd, the flight goes about 14:00hrs, I
think. And,
we may be driving up from Aurora, Oregon that morning!
Still, see you at the Fly-In?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Visit to TCAC
|
| Hi Barry,
|
| What will be your last day at Twin Commander? I'm planning a visit on
| May 23rd and hope our schedules will coincide for at least a day!
|
| Regards,
| Stan
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Moe,
|
| I need to contact JimBob too, as I'll be with Twin Commander for
nearly
| three
| weeks, from May 2nd.
|
| His Email address is:
| YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
|
| Very Best Regards,
| Barry
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
| To:
| Subject: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
|
||
|| Hi Folks,
||
|| Has anyone heard from our leader, J.B. lately? Amazingly, he isn't
on
| the
| Excel Sheet that we are making up, and I don't have his email address.
||
|| Moe Mills
|| N680RR
|| 680F(p)
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
||
|| --
||
||
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | My how times change |
Dan:
> After your first lesson did you continue to fly out of MDW?
Just for a few more hours. I was a 16 years old and had no real $$ for
flying lessons; slapping burgers didn't go very far. A few fits and starts
in between, but didn't pick it up again seriously until about 12 years ago
in SoCal and got my license here. After the checkride, my instructor
pointed out that it might have taken 28 years, but I finally got my license.
I told him that I would admit to being slow, but that nobody can call me a
quitter. ;>)
N811D is based as SNA. Where are you?
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cover cleaning |
I will try to find it here in Canada, thanks.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Cover cleaning
>
>
> On Apr 22, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > I have wing and engine covers that are badly in need of cleaning &
> > degreasing respectively, where would one send these items for cleaning?
> > Tom F.
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> Believe it or not there is this stuff call "Goop" that is a hand
> cleaner and stain lifter. The only thing I know that takes dirty
> engine oil out of most of my clothes...and my covers! You can get it
> at most stores....
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Sir Barry,
If you are in Seattle, Wenatchee isn't that far I'll buy dinner.
Mike
Commander NW LTD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander List...JB is Missing |
Hi Mike,
I think we visited Wenatchee about three years ago. If we didn't, we meant to,
but ran out of time!
We'll certainly try harder this year, but it will be on one of the weekends. How
many Commanders will be there?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander List...JB is Missing
|
| Sir Barry,
| If you are in Seattle, Wenatchee isn't that far I'll buy dinner.
|
| Mike
| Commander NW LTD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
Moe:
Here you go:
Alan Kucheck
akucheck(at)hotmail.com
N811D
1962 500A Colemill
SNA
CA
Thanks for doing this,
ak
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:25 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Listing of Commander Folks
>
>
> Hi,
>
> If you have not already emailed the information (Excel spread
> sheet) to me to be on the Commander List Spread Sheet please
> email the following information to moe(at)rosspistons.com
>
>
> Your Name
> email address
> Aircraft N number
> Aircraft Model
> Home Airport,
> State or Country
> Brief comment (25 LETTERS or less)
>
> Non owners are certainly welcome and encouraged to list. The
> reason for this list is to assist some of us bad memory types
> in keeping "the cast of characters" straight.
>
> My assistant, Alma, should be able to email everyone, who has
> listed, a copy next Tuesday.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Moe
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
| Subject: | Performance charts |
Bill,
I have flown normally aspirated commanders out of fields in Colorado at
7,000 feet elevation. I would encourage you not to consider 14,000. I was
well under gross and used 6,000 feet of runway on a cool morning. I got
about 20 inches of MP and it was a very long takeoff roll.
At 14,000 you would have no margin for error. Lose an engine and you will
not hold altitude. The next time you fly 69PT take it up to 14,000 and see
what type of performance you get. I believe you will be hard pressed to get
200 feet per minute.
Hope all is well with you and your family.
Kevin Coons
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
barshalom(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Performance charts
Anybody out there have any suggestions as to where to obtain takeoff/landing
performance charts/tables for a stock 500B at field elevations up to 14,000
feet?
Bill
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Guys,
Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located in an
area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them will
have read the c/n plate.
So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for me?
If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the Model
perhaps.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net> |
Barry,
I saw this plane at Executive Airport in March 2004 while flying a plane out
of Banyan Air Service. Executive has many little areas where it is difficult
to see. I saw this airplane parked in an out of the way area while driving
to their maint. area. Left hand side of the road through a fence about mid
way from the main highway to the Banyan shop.
Sorry, I can't be more specific.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Subject: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Guys,
Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located in
an
area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them will
have read the c/n plate.
So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for
me?
If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the
Model
perhaps.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
Thanks Kevin. At least, it will give any prospective 'snoopers' a good chance of
locating it!
No idea on whether it was a Short body or Long body Model?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
|
| Barry,
|
| I saw this plane at Executive Airport in March 2004 while flying a plane out
| of Banyan Air Service. Executive has many little areas where it is difficult
| to see. I saw this airplane parked in an out of the way area while driving
| to their maint. area. Left hand side of the road through a fence about mid
| way from the main highway to the Banyan shop.
|
| Sorry, I can't be more specific.
|
| Kevin
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Guys,
|
| Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
| Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
| So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located in
| an
| area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them will
|
| have read the c/n plate.
|
| So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for
| me?
| If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the
| Model
| perhaps.
|
| Thanks!
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry Collman
| UK CommanderLand Rep.
| High Wycombe, England
| "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Barry,
There will be at least one Commander here. Maybe 5 it is hard to say what
might be here.
On the other side of the field is Executive Flight they have some 690's that
are outfitted as air ambulance.
Mike
Commander NW LTD
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: N634Ct, N222ME |
Thanks Mike.
We'll certainly try to get to Wenatchee again. I'm sure did last time, but
pretty well everything was closed for the day. If I recall correctly, it was
raining too!
Are Executive Flight in a fairly modern-looking building, virtually on it's own?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: N634Ct, N222ME
|
| Hi Barry,
| There will be at least one Commander here. Maybe 5 it is hard to say what
| might be here.
| On the other side of the field is Executive Flight they have some 690's that
| are outfitted as air ambulance.
|
| Mike
| Commander NW LTD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | Listing of Commander Folks |
Moe,
Here's my information for the Commander List
Larry Wokral
l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com
N12LW
500B
Ravalli County, Hamilton, MT. (6S5)
Merlyn 320 conversion
Thanks,
Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: N634Ct, N222ME |
Sir Barry,
Yes they are located on the other side of the field in a modern building.
Mike
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
If only I had read this earlier than at the present time.
As I read this, I am sitting on an SWA 737-800 having just spent the weekend
in Ft Lauderdale, now heading back to St Louis.
I would have loved to have had a "project" whilst in FXE.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Barry Collman
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Guys,
Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located in
an
area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them will
have read the c/n plate.
So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for
me?
If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the
Model
perhaps.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | bertberry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
New Ad
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
Hi Guys,
Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located in an
area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them will
have read the c/n plate.
So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for me?
If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the Model
perhaps.
Thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
Oh well, perhaps next time?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
|
| If only I had read this earlier than at the present time.
| As I read this, I am sitting on an SWA 737-800 having just spent the weekend
| in Ft Lauderdale, now heading back to St Louis.
|
| I would have loved to have had a "project" whilst in FXE.
|
|
| ___________________________
| Deneal Schilmeister
| St. Louis - Cincinnati
| 1997 SL500
| http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
|
| -----Original Message-----
| On Behalf Of Barry Collman
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Guys,
|
| Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
| Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
| So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located in
| an
| area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them will
|
| have read the c/n plate.
|
| So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for
| me?
| If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the
| Model
| perhaps.
|
| Thanks!
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry Collman
| UK CommanderLand Rep.
| High Wycombe, England
| "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
|
|
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
New ad?
Does this mean a new AD as in Airworthiness Directive?
Or an advertisement of something somewhere?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
>
> New Ad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
>
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Since January 2003, I've been getting reports of a Dominican-registered
> Commander at Fort Lauderdale Executive airport, marked as HI-775SP.
> So far, it has defied being positively identified. Could be it's located
in an
> area where 'spotters' cannot get access, otherwise I'm sure one of them
will
> have read the c/n plate.
>
> So, do we have anyone in the area who could posibly check this one out for
me?
> If the plate cannot be read, at least a photo will help to identify the
Model
> perhaps.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
> UK CommanderLand Rep.
> High Wycombe, England
> "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
My mistake, I was sending something to Sir Barry, had the wrong email open.
But I do have a new 680FP Advertisement if anyone is interested.
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
Bert,
As a 680F(p) driver I am interested in which ad you have.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
>
> My mistake, I was sending something to Sir Barry, had the wrong email
open.
> But I do have a new 680FP Advertisement if anyone is interested.
>
> Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
On 4/25/05 4:53 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> Oh well, perhaps next time?
I am there several times a year, and I have contacts at FXE.
If this aircraft remains a mystery upon my next visit, I will be glad
investigate for you and Commanderdom.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fort Lauderdale |
bert, dito to moe. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
Bert,
As a 680F(p) driver I am interested in which ad you have.
Moe
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com>>
To: >
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fort Lauderdale
>
> My mistake, I was sending something to Sir Barry, had the wrong email
open.
> But I do have a new 680FP Advertisement if anyone is interested.
>
> Bert
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
does anyone have a stowaway table or a rear bench seat for a twin commander? mason
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Russell,
When you sent JimBob the piece on #1, did he acknowledge receipt?
As you're aware, people are asking "where's JimBob, he's not posted anything
recently" on the chatlist.
I've emailed him about my forthcoming trip to TCAC (I'm there from next Monday
for 3 weeks) and haven't heard a thing.
I'm getting a bit 'worried'?
Best Regards,
Barry
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/28/2005 5:51:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I'm getting a bit 'worried'?
HI KIDS..
I am humbled by your concern. All is well. I have just been
incurably busy. Last month I signed a lease for the small maintenance hangar
at
our local airport. It was a bit unexpected and was the main reason I was
unable to attend the TCAC university. Since then I have painted walls and f
loors, remodeled the office and already done three annuals and have 3 more
scheduled to do. In addition, I have been busy doing appraisals. I have
delivered a couple of airplanes in the middle of all this and have two more
deliveries awaiting better weather (a Maule from Idaho to Little Rock and a new
Scout
from the factory back to Idaho.
It is all good stuff and I feel blessed to have all of the activity,
maybe a little to blessed at the moment.
I am nearly finished with the Flight group News (very late, as usual)
and still have done little planing on the flyin, except that it will be in
California, probably Monterey. The date is Sept 23-25th. It will be different
than before. In answer to several of your comments, there will be more social
events. We will plan two morning sessions of Commander information for the
guys. Then, the ladies will join us for lunch and an afternoon of fun
visiting local attractions. I hope to have one short "fly-out" to dinner??
I had
planed to have already visited, but alas, have not made it. I will let
everybody know as soon as I have more info. I am so sorry for the delay.
I have been reading some of the posts, but didn't have anything to add
to the topic so I chose to not reply. Good to have all the activity on the
chat list!!
Thanks for the concern, all is well. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
I reckon you really had an assignment in Toulouse! Two or three weeks' training
would have been necessary to fly the A380 of course and that's why you've been
busy. Just too darn modest to admit it!
GREAT to see you back!
Barry
Will call you soon after we arrive.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Article
|
|
| In a message dated 4/28/2005 5:51:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
| barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
|
| I'm getting a bit 'worried'?
|
|
| HI KIDS..
|
| I am humbled by your concern. All is well. I have just been
| incurably busy. Last month I signed a lease for the small maintenance hangar
at
| our local airport. It was a bit unexpected and was the main reason I was
| unable to attend the TCAC university. Since then I have painted walls and
f
| loors, remodeled the office and already done three annuals and have 3 more
| scheduled to do. In addition, I have been busy doing appraisals. I have
| delivered a couple of airplanes in the middle of all this and have two more
| deliveries awaiting better weather (a Maule from Idaho to Little Rock and a
new Scout
| from the factory back to Idaho.
| It is all good stuff and I feel blessed to have all of the activity,
| maybe a little to blessed at the moment.
| I am nearly finished with the Flight group News (very late, as usual)
| and still have done little planing on the flyin, except that it will be in
| California, probably Monterey. The date is Sept 23-25th. It will be
different
| than before. In answer to several of your comments, there will be more
social
| events. We will plan two morning sessions of Commander information for the
| guys. Then, the ladies will join us for lunch and an afternoon of fun
| visiting local attractions. I hope to have one short "fly-out" to dinner??
I had
| planed to have already visited, but alas, have not made it. I will let
| everybody know as soon as I have more info. I am so sorry for the delay.
| I have been reading some of the posts, but didn't have anything to add
| to the topic so I chose to not reply. Good to have all the activity on the
| chat list!!
| Thanks for the concern, all is well. jb
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| --
|
|
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi Jim,
Good to hear from you...looking forward to the gathering in Monterey.
That's almost in my backyard. Let me know if you need some help with local
logistics. I'm sure there are other "California pilots" who would like to
help out too.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Article
In a message dated 4/28/2005 5:51:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I'm getting a bit 'worried'?
HI KIDS..
I am humbled by your concern. All is well. I have just been
incurably busy. Last month I signed a lease for the small maintenance
hangar at
our local airport. It was a bit unexpected and was the main reason I was
unable to attend the TCAC university. Since then I have painted walls and
f
loors, remodeled the office and already done three annuals and have 3 more
scheduled to do. In addition, I have been busy doing appraisals. I have
delivered a couple of airplanes in the middle of all this and have two more
deliveries awaiting better weather (a Maule from Idaho to Little Rock and a
new Scout
from the factory back to Idaho.
It is all good stuff and I feel blessed to have all of the activity,
maybe a little to blessed at the moment.
I am nearly finished with the Flight group News (very late, as usual)
and still have done little planing on the flyin, except that it will be in
California, probably Monterey. The date is Sept 23-25th. It will be
different
than before. In answer to several of your comments, there will be more
social
events. We will plan two morning sessions of Commander information for the
guys. Then, the ladies will join us for lunch and an afternoon of fun
visiting local attractions. I hope to have one short "fly-out" to dinner??
I had
planed to have already visited, but alas, have not made it. I will let
everybody know as soon as I have more info. I am so sorry for the delay.
I have been reading some of the posts, but didn't have anything to add
to the topic so I chose to not reply. Good to have all the activity on the
chat list!!
Thanks for the concern, all is well. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Larry,
Please send your correct email address to moe(at)rosspistons.com. We have tried to
send the Commander List to you and MAILER-DEMON sent it back.
Regards,
Moe Mills
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Gents,
I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963 680F(p). The
part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have. We have
tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery supply houses
here in the Los Angeles area.
Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip of plastic
about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were made to look
like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the parts book and
is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum extrusion by two
runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued to the utility panel
and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The needed "U" shaped moldings
are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside width .290.
Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Hi Moe,
I'll be awaiting Version 1.1 of the list!
I plan to deliver my plane to the paint shop in Tucson on May 27th, and
they told me to expect it to take about 4 to 5 weeks to complete.
Can you e-mail a photo of the moldings you're looking for? I can keep my
eyes open for something that might work for you.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
Gents,
I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
680F(p). The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books
that I have. We have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store,
regular upholstery supply houses here in the Los Angeles area.
Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip
of plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were
made to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in
the parts book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the
aluminum extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that
are glued to the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the
extrusion. The needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230
high, and inside width .290.
Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Moe,
I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that has a
wrecked Commander.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
Gents,
I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963 680F(p).
The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have. We
have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery supply
houses here in the Los Angeles area.
Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip of
plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were made
to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the parts
book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued to
the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside width
.290.
Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Jim,
Definitely add me to the "help ya out" list as well. Monterey IS in my
backyard!
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Article
>
> Hi Jim,
> Good to hear from you...looking forward to the gathering in Monterey.
> That's almost in my backyard. Let me know if you need some help with
local
> logistics. I'm sure there are other "California pilots" who would like to
> help out too.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Article
>
>
> In a message dated 4/28/2005 5:51:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
>
> I'm getting a bit 'worried'?
>
>
> HI KIDS..
>
> I am humbled by your concern. All is well. I have just been
> incurably busy. Last month I signed a lease for the small maintenance
> hangar at
> our local airport. It was a bit unexpected and was the main reason I was
> unable to attend the TCAC university. Since then I have painted walls
and
> f
> loors, remodeled the office and already done three annuals and have 3 more
> scheduled to do. In addition, I have been busy doing appraisals. I
have
> delivered a couple of airplanes in the middle of all this and have two
more
> deliveries awaiting better weather (a Maule from Idaho to Little Rock and
a
> new Scout
> from the factory back to Idaho.
> It is all good stuff and I feel blessed to have all of the activity,
> maybe a little to blessed at the moment.
> I am nearly finished with the Flight group News (very late, as usual)
> and still have done little planing on the flyin, except that it will be
in
> California, probably Monterey. The date is Sept 23-25th. It will be
> different
> than before. In answer to several of your comments, there will be more
> social
> events. We will plan two morning sessions of Commander information for
the
> guys. Then, the ladies will join us for lunch and an afternoon of fun
> visiting local attractions. I hope to have one short "fly-out" to
dinner??
> I had
> planed to have already visited, but alas, have not made it. I will let
> everybody know as soon as I have more info. I am so sorry for the delay.
> I have been reading some of the posts, but didn't have anything to
add
> to the topic so I chose to not reply. Good to have all the activity on
the
> chat list!!
> Thanks for the concern, all is well. jb
>
>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/29/2005 5:21:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
Let me know if you need some help with local
logistics.
Thanks Randy, I am sure there will be plenty to do!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 4/29/2005 8:30:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
Definitely add me to the "help ya out" list as well. Monterey IS in my
backyard!
Thanks John. Will do!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Jim,
Thanks for the thought. I had hoped to find something a little more supple.
Seems that the old ones from the'60 are a little hard and used up. Out of
curiosity, what condition were yours in?
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
> Moe,
> I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that has
a
> wrecked Commander.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Gents,
>
> I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
680F(p).
> The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have. We
> have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery
supply
> houses here in the Los Angeles area.
>
> Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip of
> plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were made
> to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the
parts
> book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
> extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued to
> the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
> needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside
width
> .290.
>
> Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Moe,
They were in good shape, just the glue had gotten old and separated. I
cleaned them and used contact cement to put them back together. I have not
gotten to fly much after I did it but it is still in place and it has been
several months. My plane has been in a hangar most of its life if that makes
any difference. It was built in August of 1960.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
Jim,
Thanks for the thought. I had hoped to find something a little more supple.
Seems that the old ones from the'60 are a little hard and used up. Out of
curiosity, what condition were yours in?
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
> Moe,
> I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that has
a
> wrecked Commander.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Gents,
>
> I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
680F(p).
> The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have. We
> have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery
supply
> houses here in the Los Angeles area.
>
> Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip of
> plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were made
> to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the
parts
> book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
> extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued to
> the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
> needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside
width
> .290.
>
> Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Jim,
Thanks for the reply. My bird sits in the California sun close to the
ocean.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
> Moe,
> They were in good shape, just the glue had gotten old and separated. I
> cleaned them and used contact cement to put them back together. I have not
> gotten to fly much after I did it but it is still in place and it has been
> several months. My plane has been in a hangar most of its life if that
makes
> any difference. It was built in August of 1960.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Thanks for the thought. I had hoped to find something a little more
supple.
> Seems that the old ones from the'60 are a little hard and used up. Out of
> curiosity, what condition were yours in?
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
>
> >
> > Moe,
> > I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that
has
> a
> > wrecked Commander.
> >
> > Jim A
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
> >
> >
> >
> > Gents,
> >
> > I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
> 680F(p).
> > The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have.
We
> > have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery
> supply
> > houses here in the Los Angeles area.
> >
> > Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip
of
> > plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were
made
> > to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the
> parts
> > book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
> > extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued
to
> > the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
> > needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside
> width
> > .290.
> >
> > Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe Mills
> > N680RR
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Don't know if that would make any difference or not. It only took about :15
min to clean the glue off each piece, you might see if that would work.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
Jim,
Thanks for the reply. My bird sits in the California sun close to the
ocean.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
> Moe,
> They were in good shape, just the glue had gotten old and separated. I
> cleaned them and used contact cement to put them back together. I have not
> gotten to fly much after I did it but it is still in place and it has been
> several months. My plane has been in a hangar most of its life if that
makes
> any difference. It was built in August of 1960.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Jim,
>
> Thanks for the thought. I had hoped to find something a little more
supple.
> Seems that the old ones from the'60 are a little hard and used up. Out of
> curiosity, what condition were yours in?
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
>
> >
> > Moe,
> > I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that
has
> a
> > wrecked Commander.
> >
> > Jim A
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
> >
> >
> >
> > Gents,
> >
> > I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
> 680F(p).
> > The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have.
We
> > have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery
> supply
> > houses here in the Los Angeles area.
> >
> > Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip
of
> > plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were
made
> > to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the
> parts
> > book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
> > extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued
to
> > the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
> > needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside
> width
> > .290.
> >
> > Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe Mills
> > N680RR
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Need cheap plastic Commander part |
What part do you need, i Have a bunch of plastic parts.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Moe,
> I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that has
> a
> wrecked Commander.
>
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Gents,
>
> I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
> 680F(p).
> The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have. We
> have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery
> supply
> houses here in the Los Angeles area.
>
> Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip of
> plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were made
> to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the
> parts
> book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
> extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued to
> the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
> needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside
> width
> .290.
>
> Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Hi Stan,
Thanks for offering to look for plastic molding, however, it appears that
Scotch brand double stick foam tape will get the job done. I used some
while building my bus in 1989 and it is still holding well.
Probably about June 25th through July 8th would be a good time to go over
and inspect your bird. I've painted four planes several years ago myself,
and the preparation is 95% of the job. Fairly early in July I have to go in
for an annual. This is a little early, however, we take off for England in
the plane late in July, and obviously we want everything just right.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> I'll be awaiting Version 1.1 of the list!
>
> I plan to deliver my plane to the paint shop in Tucson on May 27th, and
> they told me to expect it to take about 4 to 5 weeks to complete.
>
> Can you e-mail a photo of the moldings you're looking for? I can keep my
> eyes open for something that might work for you.
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> Gents,
>
> I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
> 680F(p). The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books
> that I have. We have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store,
> regular upholstery supply houses here in the Los Angeles area.
>
> Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip
> of plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were
> made to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in
> the parts book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the
> aluminum extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that
> are glued to the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the
> extrusion. The needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230
> high, and inside width .290.
>
> Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need cheap plastic Commander part |
Harry,
Thanks, I have decided to try Scotch double foam stick tape, as I used some
of it while building my bus in 1989 and it is still holding very well.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
> What part do you need, i Have a bunch of plastic parts.
> Harry
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
>
>
> >
> >
> > Moe,
> > I just had to re-glue mine. You might check with a salvage place that
has
> > a
> > wrecked Commander.
> >
> > Jim A
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Need cheap plastic Commander part
> >
> >
> >
> > Gents,
> >
> > I am in need of an odd-ball part (about 100 feet of it) for my 1963
> > 680F(p).
> > The part is not listed in any of the Commander parts books that I have.
We
> > have tried trimmer supply houses, hardware store, regular upholstery
> > supply
> > houses here in the Los Angeles area.
> >
> > Along the both sides of the cabin at about elbow level there is a strip
of
> > plastic about 3.5" wide (the one that the ashtrays are in) which were
made
> > to look like leather. This plastic is called a "utility panel" in the
> > parts
> > book and is inset in an aluminum extrusion. It is held to the aluminum
> > extrusion by two runners or plastic "U" shaped moldings that are glued
to
> > the utility panel and snap over two protrusions in the extrusion. The
> > needed "U" shaped moldings are .450 major width, .230 high, and inside
> > width
> > .290.
> >
> > Any advice on a source of supply would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe Mills
> > N680RR
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel pressure fluctuations anyone? |
This is a long one, but I hope it will be useful to any others that have
similar issues out there. I know at least one other 500A owner out there
has...
Since acquiring N811D, a 500A Colemill, in July of 2003 I have had some fuel
pressure fluctuations, primarily on the right engine, but once or twice on
the left as well. By that I mean that the fuel "flow" needle wags up and
down kind of like a reverse pendulum - ever larger displacments above and
below normal pressure until the engine coughs and sputters. Application of
boost pump immediately rectifies the problem.
When I took possession of the 11D the engines were just past TBO. About 6
months later we replaced the engines with zero-time overhauls. I have not
had a problem with the left engine since. However, the right engine
behavior continued unchanged. Well, replacing an engine is an expensive,
but effective way of eliminating some variables - now the problem was
isolated to the airframe. The problem only happened at altitude, 8000' or
above. Sometimes was clearly associated with turbulence - get a jolt, lose
the engine. Sometimes a turn was enough - briskly crank in 30 degrees,
cough, cough, boost pump. But neither was necessary - while calmly cruising
along, needle starts to wag, amplitude increases and there she goes. This
might happen several times in the course of a 2 hour flight. After one
flight my right shoulder was sore the next day; I realized my right hand had
been hovering next to boost pump switch most of the flight the day before.
Bad.
So we have been progressively looking for some way for air to get into the
system, or for some blockage. We removed the fuel filter bodies [corroded
and resined] and cleaned the screens. Same thing. We switched the screens
left/right. The problem remained on the right side.
We overhauled the fuel shutoff valve and replaced the hoses [it was time]
from there forward, thinking that perhaps the shutoff had a bad seal was
sucking air into the line somewhere. Same problem.
In great frustration, I took a step back and saw something I had not noticed
earlier: the fitting just forward of the firewall that attaches to the fuel
filter bodies was different. On the left engine, the fitting was
straight-through. The right engine had a right angle fitting. I noticed in
some photos from Dayton that other birds have all manner of fitting here -
straight, 30/60/90 degrees. We replaced it with a straight-through fitting.
No cough. The needle still wagged, but it appeared that just changing that
fitting was enough to keep the engine running, a convenient feature. This
was confirmed in multiple flights, wag but no cough. Finally, a clear,
repeatable, positive change in behavior.
However, the problem that was causing the needle wag was still there. The
last item was the sump. That is now replaced [same corrosion]; see my post
on 4/17/2005. When my mechanic put everything back together we had one leak
around the right boost pump. He replaced the O-ring and we were done.
The good news: I am declaring the problem gone. I just flew 2 two-hour
legs and the needle was [like the left one] like a rock. It used to bounce
quite a bit almost all the time. Now, rock steady.
So...I don't know whether it was the leaky O-ring around the right boost
pump, or the dams that are in the new sump but were not in the old one. But
replacing the sump fixed my problem. Long, expensive, frustrating journey.
But I am very pleased with what I now have.
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel pressure fluctuations anyone? |
Wow, Alan....a long and expensive journey. I don't have dams in my sump
(damns? Damn that "S" word!) and I've never had that problem. But I'm
Lycoming powered so maybe it's something specific to Contis. Either way,
I'll take a look at my fittings to see if they're straight through or angled
(just out of curiosity).
/J
PS: Next time you fly a 2-hr. leg, make sure it ends in the Bay Area and
I'll buy you lunch ;-).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel pressure fluctuations anyone?
>
> This is a long one, but I hope it will be useful to any others that have
> similar issues out there. I know at least one other 500A owner out there
> has...
>
> Since acquiring N811D, a 500A Colemill, in July of 2003 I have had some
fuel
> pressure fluctuations, primarily on the right engine, but once or twice on
> the left as well. By that I mean that the fuel "flow" needle wags up and
> down kind of like a reverse pendulum - ever larger displacments above and
> below normal pressure until the engine coughs and sputters. Application
of
> boost pump immediately rectifies the problem.
>
> When I took possession of the 11D the engines were just past TBO. About 6
> months later we replaced the engines with zero-time overhauls. I have not
> had a problem with the left engine since. However, the right engine
> behavior continued unchanged. Well, replacing an engine is an expensive,
> but effective way of eliminating some variables - now the problem was
> isolated to the airframe. The problem only happened at altitude, 8000' or
> above. Sometimes was clearly associated with turbulence - get a jolt,
lose
> the engine. Sometimes a turn was enough - briskly crank in 30 degrees,
> cough, cough, boost pump. But neither was necessary - while calmly
cruising
> along, needle starts to wag, amplitude increases and there she goes. This
> might happen several times in the course of a 2 hour flight. After one
> flight my right shoulder was sore the next day; I realized my right hand
had
> been hovering next to boost pump switch most of the flight the day before.
> Bad.
>
> So we have been progressively looking for some way for air to get into the
> system, or for some blockage. We removed the fuel filter bodies [corroded
> and resined] and cleaned the screens. Same thing. We switched the
screens
> left/right. The problem remained on the right side.
>
> We overhauled the fuel shutoff valve and replaced the hoses [it was time]
> from there forward, thinking that perhaps the shutoff had a bad seal was
> sucking air into the line somewhere. Same problem.
>
> In great frustration, I took a step back and saw something I had not
noticed
> earlier: the fitting just forward of the firewall that attaches to the
fuel
> filter bodies was different. On the left engine, the fitting was
> straight-through. The right engine had a right angle fitting. I noticed
in
> some photos from Dayton that other birds have all manner of fitting here -
> straight, 30/60/90 degrees. We replaced it with a straight-through
fitting.
> No cough. The needle still wagged, but it appeared that just changing
that
> fitting was enough to keep the engine running, a convenient feature. This
> was confirmed in multiple flights, wag but no cough. Finally, a clear,
> repeatable, positive change in behavior.
>
> However, the problem that was causing the needle wag was still there. The
> last item was the sump. That is now replaced [same corrosion]; see my
post
> on 4/17/2005. When my mechanic put everything back together we had one
leak
> around the right boost pump. He replaced the O-ring and we were done.
>
> The good news: I am declaring the problem gone. I just flew 2 two-hour
> legs and the needle was [like the left one] like a rock. It used to
bounce
> quite a bit almost all the time. Now, rock steady.
>
> So...I don't know whether it was the leaky O-ring around the right boost
> pump, or the dams that are in the new sump but were not in the old one.
But
> replacing the sump fixed my problem. Long, expensive, frustrating
journey.
> But I am very pleased with what I now have.
>
> ak
>
>
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| From: | "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Fuel pressure fluctuations anyone? |
Hi friend:
I have a 680F and have had that problem for a lonng looooong time. The best
way to resolve are as follows:
1- Fuel Unit (Not the fuel punp). Have it overhauled!!
2- Fuel lines, make sure they all have smooth curves from the sump into
the motor.
3- Fuel valves. Check for leaks.
4- Fuel air line (the ones on the wings) make sure they are not clugged
up.
Point one is the most important one.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Kucheck
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel pressure fluctuations anyone?
This is a long one, but I hope it will be useful to any others that have
similar issues out there. I know at least one other 500A owner out there
has...
Since acquiring N811D, a 500A Colemill, in July of 2003 I have had some fuel
pressure fluctuations, primarily on the right engine, but once or twice on
the left as well. By that I mean that the fuel "flow" needle wags up and
down kind of like a reverse pendulum - ever larger displacments above and
below normal pressure until the engine coughs and sputters. Application of
boost pump immediately rectifies the problem.
When I took possession of the 11D the engines were just past TBO. About 6
months later we replaced the engines with zero-time overhauls. I have not
had a problem with the left engine since. However, the right engine
behavior continued unchanged. Well, replacing an engine is an expensive,
but effective way of eliminating some variables - now the problem was
isolated to the airframe. The problem only happened at altitude, 8000' or
above. Sometimes was clearly associated with turbulence - get a jolt, lose
the engine. Sometimes a turn was enough - briskly crank in 30 degrees,
cough, cough, boost pump. But neither was necessary - while calmly cruising
along, needle starts to wag, amplitude increases and there she goes. This
might happen several times in the course of a 2 hour flight. After one
flight my right shoulder was sore the next day; I realized my right hand had
been hovering next to boost pump switch most of the flight the day before.
Bad.
So we have been progressively looking for some way for air to get into the
system, or for some blockage. We removed the fuel filter bodies [corroded
and resined] and cleaned the screens. Same thing. We switched the screens
left/right. The problem remained on the right side.
We overhauled the fuel shutoff valve and replaced the hoses [it was time]
from there forward, thinking that perhaps the shutoff had a bad seal was
sucking air into the line somewhere. Same problem.
In great frustration, I took a step back and saw something I had not noticed
earlier: the fitting just forward of the firewall that attaches to the fuel
filter bodies was different. On the left engine, the fitting was
straight-through. The right engine had a right angle fitting. I noticed in
some photos from Dayton that other birds have all manner of fitting here -
straight, 30/60/90 degrees. We replaced it with a straight-through fitting.
No cough. The needle still wagged, but it appeared that just changing that
fitting was enough to keep the engine running, a convenient feature. This
was confirmed in multiple flights, wag but no cough. Finally, a clear,
repeatable, positive change in behavior.
However, the problem that was causing the needle wag was still there. The
last item was the sump. That is now replaced [same corrosion]; see my post
on 4/17/2005. When my mechanic put everything back together we had one leak
around the right boost pump. He replaced the O-ring and we were done.
The good news: I am declaring the problem gone. I just flew 2 two-hour
legs and the needle was [like the left one] like a rock. It used to bounce
quite a bit almost all the time. Now, rock steady.
So...I don't know whether it was the leaky O-ring around the right boost
pump, or the dams that are in the new sump but were not in the old one. But
replacing the sump fixed my problem. Long, expensive, frustrating journey.
But I am very pleased with what I now have.
ak
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel pressure fluctuations anyone? |
In a message dated 03-May-05 07:25:33 Pacific Daylight Time,
otayca(at)telcel.net.ve writes:
1- Fuel Unit (Not the fuel punp). Have it overhauled!!
The IGSO-540 has a Simmonds fuel control unit (as you -F and -FL owners know)
and there is a very fine mesh screen that rides behind the fuel pump impeller
vanes that needs to be ultrasonically cleaned often!
This screen is so fine, it's almost like cloth. I've had several loads of
junk fuel and/or the gick that forms in the fuel bladders over time clog up the
Simmonds.
Capitan Otaola is correct about overhauling the Simmonds periodically, but
the fuel screen can be pulled and cleaned while keeping the unit on the engine,
and can be done when needed.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> |
So what is the deal on swapping in a Shrike yoke? My pilot side has a
Shrike-style yoke and co-pilot is the old skinny style. I assume this
requires a field approval, right?
Does anyone have a line on one? What might one cost?
Thanks,
Alan
--
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Hi Folks,
I want to replace my badly glazed copilot side window that does not currently have
a vent window within it.
The replacement needs to have the vent window in it.
Any suggestions as to where to source this?
Tom F.
680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Copilot window |
Aircenter, Inc.
Gary
423-893-5444
aircenter(at)aol.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Copilot window
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I want to replace my badly glazed copilot side window that does not
> currently have a vent window within it.
> The replacement needs to have the vent window in it.
> Any suggestions as to where to source this?
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shrike Yokes? |
Alan,
Commander Aero in Ohio just changed the yokes in my 680F(p) as part of the
autopilot install. You might contact Gary there. The old skinny yokes did
not have enough holes for all of the switches that the Century autopilot
required. They were able to supply two good used ones that they
re-conditioned, and they really look great!
The web email address for Gary is service@commander-aero.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Shrike Yokes?
>
> So what is the deal on swapping in a Shrike yoke? My pilot side has a
> Shrike-style yoke and co-pilot is the old skinny style. I assume this
> requires a field approval, right?
>
> Does anyone have a line on one? What might one cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Copilot window |
Tom,
Did anyone ever make a vented copilot side window for a pressurized
commander? I can't remember seeing one, however if you find one please
advise, as this would really be nice here in the Great Southwest in the
summer.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Copilot window
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I want to replace my badly glazed copilot side window that does not
currently have a vent window within it.
> The replacement needs to have the vent window in it.
> Any suggestions as to where to source this?
>
> Tom F.
> 680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Copilot window |
Gary at Aircenter, Inc. (423-893-5444) has an STC for the "500 & 600
series" which will cover the 680FLP.
I am ordering one for each side as the new windows are "frameless" and the
current pilot's side is not. Besides the pilot's side leaks a bit and the
metal pressure seal is bent as well.
Call Gary for pricing.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Copilot window
>
> Tom,
>
> Did anyone ever make a vented copilot side window for a pressurized
> commander? I can't remember seeing one, however if you find one please
> advise, as this would really be nice here in the Great Southwest in the
> summer.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Copilot window
>
>
>
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I want to replace my badly glazed copilot side window that does not
> currently have a vent window within it.
> > The replacement needs to have the vent window in it.
> > Any suggestions as to where to source this?
> >
> > Tom F.
> > 680FLP Mr.RPM C-GISS
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
CNN just showed a Crash landed Turbo Commander, sounds like the Pilot had a
heart attach and a passenger landed the Aircraft. Doesn't appear to be too much
damage other than a collapsed right main.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
I saw reports of a Gulfstream One, if that's the one in Las Vegas.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
CNN just showed a Crash landed Turbo Commander, sounds like the Pilot had a
heart attach and a passenger landed the Aircraft. Doesn't appear to be too
much
damage other than a collapsed right main.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
In a message dated 06-May-05 10:26:58 Pacific Daylight Time,
bootless(at)earthlink.net writes:
I saw reports of a Gulfstream One, if that's the one in Las Vegas.
Typical news media bungle.
There is (was?) an AC-900 based at KVGT that occasionally operated on FAR 135
trips.
I learned of the accident last night and don't have much in the way of hard
facts.
The anecdote I was told was the pilot had a heart attack on approach, the
passenger had some glider time and took over.
I don't like passing on incomplete or inaccurate info; if I get more news,
I'll post is. Brock Lorber, N400CH, is based at KVGT and I'm sure he'll post a
detailed report to us.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
Wow, I sure hope the pilot survived his medical crisis. Perfect example of
the value of a Pinch Hitter course for non-pilot passengers.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
>
> CNN just showed a Crash landed Turbo Commander, sounds like the Pilot had
a
> heart attach and a passenger landed the Aircraft. Doesn't appear to be too
much
> damage other than a collapsed right main.
>
>
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| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
Pinch hitting for sure, a preflight briefing at the least.
Here's the link to the story - it looks like it's written in phonetic
reporter-ese:
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=3306810
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
Wow, I sure hope the pilot survived his medical crisis. Perfect example of
the value of a Pinch Hitter course for non-pilot passengers.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
>
> CNN just showed a Crash landed Turbo Commander, sounds like the Pilot had
a
> heart attach and a passenger landed the Aircraft. Doesn't appear to be too
much
> damage other than a collapsed right main.
>
>
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
Looks like a 1000, has the small windows down each side.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
It looks like N337DR S/N 15007 from Las Vegas, NV. Not sure but I have some
photos of it, and they look like the same paint job.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
Got this off the news wires. Apparently the pilot has died.
Nico
NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nev. (AP) - A passenger was forced to crash land a private
plane Thursday after the pilot suffered an apparent heart attack,
authorities said.
The pilot later died. The two passengers were taken to University Medical
Center in Las Vegas after the crash at North Las Vegas Airport, said Donn
Walker, regional spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration.
The plane was registered to Douglas Reichardt of Henderson, who was piloting
the twin-engine Gulfstream I turboprop. A hospital official didn't know
whether Reichardt died in the air or later at the hospital.
The two passengers did not appear to be seriously hurt, authorities said.
Their names were not immediately released.
The pilot had filed a flight plan to San Diego and the plane took off from
North Las Vegas at 8:30 a.m., Walker said. About 45 minutes later, the plane
crashed on its belly several hundred feet short of an airport runway. The
pilot is believed to have suffered a heart attack, Walker said.
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board are investigating the
crash.
Reichardt had a valid multiengine airline transport pilot's license,
according to FAA records.
----
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
>
> In a message dated 06-May-05 10:26:58 Pacific Daylight Time,
> bootless(at)earthlink.net writes:
> I saw reports of a Gulfstream One, if that's the one in Las Vegas.
>
> Typical news media bungle.
>
> There is (was?) an AC-900 based at KVGT that occasionally operated on FAR
135
> trips.
>
> I learned of the accident last night and don't have much in the way of
hard
> facts.
>
> The anecdote I was told was the pilot had a heart attack on approach, the
> passenger had some glider time and took over.
>
> I don't like passing on incomplete or inaccurate info; if I get more news,
> I'll post is. Brock Lorber, N400CH, is based at KVGT and I'm sure he'll
post a
> detailed report to us.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
Here is a photo of N337DR.
http://www.air-and-space.com/20040924%20SBA/DSC_4077%20Aero%20Commander%20695A
%20N337DR%20left%20side%20landing%20l.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
It's a Commander http://www.aero-news.net/
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
>
> In a message dated 06-May-05 10:26:58 Pacific Daylight Time,
> bootless(at)earthlink.net writes:
> I saw reports of a Gulfstream One, if that's the one in Las Vegas.
>
> Typical news media bungle.
>
> There is (was?) an AC-900 based at KVGT that occasionally operated on FAR
> 135
> trips.
>
> I learned of the accident last night and don't have much in the way of
> hard
> facts.
>
> The anecdote I was told was the pilot had a heart attack on approach, the
> passenger had some glider time and took over.
>
> I don't like passing on incomplete or inaccurate info; if I get more news,
> I'll post is. Brock Lorber, N400CH, is based at KVGT and I'm sure he'll
> post a
> detailed report to us.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
Couldn't get the link to open. I updated it:
http://www.air-and-space.com/20040924%20SBA/DSC_4077%20Aero%20Commander%20695A%20N337DR%20left%20side%20landing%20l.jpg
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
>
> Here is a photo of N337DR.
>
>
http://www.air-and-space.com/20040924%20SBA/DSC_4077%20Aero%20Commander%20695A
> %20N337DR%20left%20side%20landing%20l.jpg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/I_0506_N.txt
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Looks like a 1000, has the small windows down each side.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
It is 337DR (a Commander 1000). Doug and Floyd Duncan have it on a 135 certificate.
I was supposed to start flying with Doug last week, but the trip got canceled.
Doug owned several McDonalds restraunts in Henderson, NV and started the
Ronald McDonald house in Las Vegas. I haven't heard any reports from the horse's
mouth, but here's what eyewitnesses saw:
The aircraft declared a medical emergency while on the edge of town. (Local news
said Doug lost consciousness soon after). A non-pilot passenger took control,
and found his way back to VGT. After circling the field four times, he attempted
a landing (gear down, aligned with the parallels, but unstable). The airplane
approached a restaurant and C-store on the appoach end of the runway in
a nose-down attitude. At the last second (I heard as close as 50' to the restaraunt),
the nose pitched up, and the airplane began that sickening waddle they
get just before stall-spin. It plunged from an altitude just high enough that
it landed flat without hitting a wingtip.
After sliding a few feet with a three-quarter turn it came to rest about 75' shy
of the runway. Doug died of the heart attack, and the two passengers were taken
to the hospital with minor injuries.
Notes: the main gear struts sheared off inside the housing, without breaking or
cracking either overcenter lock. And the biggie: take the smartest, most able,
non-pilot you know, give him two glider rides, and hand him the controls of
your Commander to land it. Do you think you'd walk away as they did? Amazing!
Brock Lorber
400CH
-----Original Message-----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 13:40:51
To:commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: CRASH LANDED TURBO COMMANDER
In a message dated 06-May-05 10:26:58 Pacific Daylight Time,
bootless(at)earthlink.net writes:
I saw reports of a Gulfstream One, if that's the one in Las Vegas.
Typical news media bungle.
There is (was?) an AC-900 based at KVGT that occasionally operated on FAR 135
trips.
I learned of the accident last night and don't have much in the way of hard
facts.
The anecdote I was told was the pilot had a heart attack on approach, the
passenger had some glider time and took over.
I don't like passing on incomplete or inaccurate info; if I get more news,
I'll post is. Brock Lorber, N400CH, is based at KVGT and I'm sure he'll post a
detailed report to us.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | public info 337DR |
N337DR is Assigned
Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 15007 Type Registration
Individual
Manufacturer Name GULFSTREAM AM CORP COMM DIV
Certificate Issue Date 04/04/2000
Model 695A Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine
Turbo-Prop
Pending Number Change None Dealer
No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code
50730053
MFR Year 1982 Fractional Owner
NO
Registered Owner
Name REICHARDT DOUGLAS R
Street 2213 N GREEN VALLEY PKWY STE 201
City HENDERSON State NEVADA Zip
Code
89014-5078
County CLARK
Country UNITED STATES
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I spoke with Dick Macoon today (Mr. RPM) and was thrilled to hear
that the most gorgeous Shrike on the planet, belonging to TCFG member Mike
Wetzer, will be on display at OKS. He has invited all Commander lovers to visit.
There will be a place to sit in the shade and to exchange information. I
will try to attend. This is a wonderful opportunity to have a Commander at
center stage and for us to have a place to hang out. More details when they
become available. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Another one worth reading |
Passing of a Generation Won't Be Long And They Will Be Gone.
From a Military Doctor :
I am a doctor specializing in the Emergency Departments of the only two military
Level One-trauma centers, both in San Antonio, TX and they care for civilian
Emergencies as well as military personnel.
San Antonio has the largest military retiree population in the world living here
As a military doctor, I work long hours and the pay is less than glamorous.
One tends to become jaded by the long hours, lack of sleep, food, family contact
and the endless parade of human suffering passing before you. The arrival
of another ambulance does not mean more pay, only more work.
Most often, it is a victim from a motor vehicle crash. Often it is a person of
dubious character who has been shot or stabbed. With our large military retiree
population, it is often a nursing home patient.
Even with my enlisted service and minimal combat experience in Panama, I have
caught myself groaning when the ambulance brought in yet another sick, elderly
person from one of the local retirement centers that cater to military retirees.
I had not stopped to think of what citizens of this age group represented.
I saw "Saving Private Ryan." I was touched deeply. Not so much by the carnage,
but by the sacrifices of so many. I was touched most by the scene of the elderly
survivor at the graveside, asking his wife if he'd been a good man. I realized
that I had seen these same men and women coming through my Emergency Dept.
and had not realized what magnificent sacrifices they had made. The things
they did for me and everyone else that has lived on this planet since the end
of that conflict are priceless.
Situation permitting, I now try to ask my patients about their experiences. They
would never bring up the subject without the inquiry. I have been privileged
to an amazing array of experiences, recounted in the brief minutes allowed
in an Emergency Dept. encounter. These experiences have revealed the incredible
individuals I have had the honor of serving in a medical capacity, many on their
last admission to the hospital.
There was a frail, elderly woman who reassured my young enlisted medic, trying
to start an IV line in her arm. She remained calm and poised, despite her illness
and the multiple needle-sticks into her fragile veins. She was what we call
a "hard stick." As the medic made another attempt, I noticed a number tattooed
across her forearm. I touched it with one finger and looked into her eyes.
She simply said, "Auschwitz." Many of later generations would have loudly and
openly berated the young medic in his many attempts. How different was the response
from this person who'd seen unspeakable suffering.
Also, there was this long retired Colonel, who as a young officer had parachuted
from his burning plane over a Pacific Island held by the Japanese. Now an
octogenarian, his head cut in a fall at home where he lived alone. His CT scan
and suturing had been delayed until after midnight by the usual parade of high
priority ambulance patients. Still spry for his age, he asked to use the phone
to call a taxi, to take him home, then he realized his ambulance had brought
him without his wallet.
He asked if he could use the phone to make a long distance call to his daughter
who lived 7 miles away. With great pride we told him that he could not, as
he'd done enough for his country and the least we could do was get him a taxi
home, even if we had to pay for it ourselves. My only regret was that my shift
wouldn't end for several hours, and I couldn't drive him myself.
I was there the night MSgt. Roy Benavidez came through the Emergency Dept. for
the last time. He was very sick. I was not the doctor taking care of him, but
I walked to his bedside and took his hand. I said nothing. He was so sick, he
didn't know I was there. I'd read his Congressional Medal of Honor citation
and wanted to shake his hand. He died a few days later.
The gentleman who served with Merrill's Marauders, the survivor of the Bataan
Death March, the survivor of Omaha Beach, the 101 year old World War I veteran,
the former POW held in frozen North Korea, the former Special Forces medic
- now with non-operable liver cancer, the former Viet Nam Corps Commander. I remember
these citizens.
I may still groan when yet another ambulance comes in, but now I am much more
aware of what an honor it is to serve these particular men and women.
I have seen a Congress who would turn their back on these individuals who've
sacrificed so much to protect our liberty. I see later generations that seem to
be totally engrossed in abusing these same liberties, won with such sacrifice.
It has become my personal endeavor to make the nurses and young enlisted medics
aware of these amazing individuals when I encounter them in our Emergency Dept.
Their response to these particular citizens has made Me think that perhaps
all is not lost in the next generation.
My experiences have solidified my belief that we are losing an incredible generation,
and this nation knows not what it is losing. Our uncaring government
and ungrateful civilian populace should all take note. We should all remember
that we must "Earn this."
Written By CPT. Stephen R. Ellison, M.D. (If you send this story along to friends,
please include the author's name Thank you!)
.
From: Oat47(at)aol.com [mailto:Oat47(at)aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:38 AM
To: kelly.j.cheney(at)marsh.com; BearerAuntmar(at)aol.com; Chris Trimpey; Beddogs3(at)cs.com;
SDavis0212(at)aol.com; MEANLEAN1(at)aol.com; Mtalachic83(at)aol.com; BlueSteeler2003(at)aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Another one worth reading
All should salute them.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Slowly Losing the Greatest Generation |
This was a very well written account. It had me almost in tears. Indeed, we
all owe them a salute!!
Larry Wokral
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Thought some of you might enjoy this.
Jim A
N444BD
Ever build a model airplane? Then you will love this.
This is a labor of love! Actually has 8 "real
turbines" at about $1500 each!
It took over 2 years to build. Takes multiple pilots as there
are so many things to control. Think they are nervous during the maiden
flight?
Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real
turbines! Don't overlook the video below. Total
time, take off to landing 9:06 minutes.
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
While waiting for the real thing I built a 680FL out of balsawood using
electric motors, the real thing came along before I finished it.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> Thought some of you might enjoy this.
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
>
> Ever build a model airplane? Then you will love this.
> This is a labor of love! Actually has 8 "real
> turbines" at about $1500 each!
> It took over 2 years to build. Takes multiple pilots as there
>
> are so many things to control. Think they are nervous during the maiden
> flight?
> Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real
>
> turbines! Don't overlook the video below. Total
> time, take off to landing 9:06 minutes.
>
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Wow,
I almost expected little people to climb out of it at the end. At the very
least, a little fuel truck should have driven up to it...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List:
>
> Thought some of you might enjoy this.
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
>
> Ever build a model airplane? Then you will love this.
> This is a labor of love! Actually has 8 "real
> turbines" at about $1500 each!
> It took over 2 years to build. Takes multiple pilots as there
>
> are so many things to control. Think they are nervous during the maiden
> flight?
> Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real
>
> turbines! Don't overlook the video below. Total
> time, take off to landing 9:06 minutes.
>
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
This awesome.
Thanks
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
> Wow,
>
> I almost expected little people to climb out of it at the end. At the very
> least, a little fuel truck should have driven up to it...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To: "COMMANDER-LIST"
> Subject: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> >
> > Thought some of you might enjoy this.
> > Jim A
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > Ever build a model airplane? Then you will love this.
> > This is a labor of love! Actually has 8 "real
> > turbines" at about $1500 each!
> > It took over 2 years to build. Takes multiple pilots as there
> >
> > are so many things to control. Think they are nervous during the maiden
> > flight?
> > Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real
> >
> > turbines! Don't overlook the video below. Total
> > time, take off to landing 9:06 minutes.
> >
> >
> > http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Wow...what a spectacular achievement. Really enjoyed the video.
Thanks Jim..!!
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Subject: Commander-List:
Thought some of you might enjoy this.
Jim A
N444BD
Ever build a model airplane? Then you will love this.
This is a labor of love! Actually has 8 "real
turbines" at about $1500 each!
It took over 2 years to build. Takes multiple pilots as there
are so many things to control. Think they are nervous during the maiden
flight?
Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real
turbines! Don't overlook the video below. Total
time, take off to landing 9:06 minutes.
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> |
It didn't have a happy ending.
http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm
Click on "the crash"
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Wow...what a spectacular achievement. Really enjoyed the video.
Thanks Jim..!!
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
To: COMMANDER-LIST
Subject: Commander-List:
Thought some of you might enjoy this.
Jim A
N444BD
Ever build a model airplane? Then you will love this.
This is a labor of love! Actually has 8 "real
turbines" at about $1500 each!
It took over 2 years to build. Takes multiple pilots as there
are so many things to control. Think they are nervous during the maiden
flight?
Unbelievable that someone would make this - all real
turbines! Don't overlook the video below. Total
time, take off to landing 9:06 minutes.
http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 5/11/2005 9:35:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ben(at)gmpexpress.net writes:
It didn't have a happy ending.
http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm
Click on "the crash"
Ben
What a shame! How very very sad.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Thanks for the rest of the story, that was sad.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: B-52
In a message dated 5/11/2005 9:35:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
ben(at)gmpexpress.net writes:
It didn't have a happy ending.
http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm
Click on "the crash"
Ben
What a shame! How very very sad.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Airpark LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Russell Legg.... |
Russell,
Please send me your email address....we here in America can't seem to get it correct.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Russell Legg.... |
G'day Moe,
Great to hear from you!
My email.... rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
Planning to blast in to Monterey in Sept. (probably via LA).
Still Commanderless but still working on it...remember I put the P into
patience!
Cheers from Oz
Russell
---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:28:12 -0700
>From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: Russell Legg....
>To:
>
>
>Russell,
>
>Please send me your email address....we here in America can't seem to
get it correct.
>
>Regards,
>
>Moe
>N680RR
>
>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | aero commander cc-ctr 500B |
barry, this one is on the ramp at lantana, fla (lna), need any information, photo?
al hoffman
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | One hydraulic system |
What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic system
unserviceable in a 680FLP?
The left system was not putting out so I pulled the pump and sent it off
only to be told the insides are trashed.
I called the previous owner about it and his response was "oh that never
worked and the right one cavatates occasionally".
Tom F.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
In a message dated 12-May-05 21:18:11 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic system
unserviceable in a 680FLP?
The early Commanders had one hydraulic pump as standard. However, there is a
hand pump in those models for (manual) redundancy.
Flying an -FLP with one hydraulic pump working is a good idea when:
You're being chased by natives throwing spears.
You're being chased by locals firing machine guns.
You're being chased by her husband.
Otherwise, don't.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> 500B |
| Subject: | Re: aero commander cc-ctr |
500B
G'day Al,
I think Barry is still away from his computer...sifting through files at the
TCAC in Seattle.
I reckon he would really appreciate a photo and a check of details on the
Constructer's plate on the tail. If you get close to the plate he would really
appreciate the "plate number"...the very bottom number.
Cheers
Russell
---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 04:09:25 GMT
>From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: aero commander cc-ctr 500B
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
alh1(at)juno.com>
>
>
>barry, this one is on the ramp at lantana, fla (lna), need any information,
photo? al hoffman
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
Good heavens, Wing Commander.....do you speak from experience? Hath you
flown a 680 under threat of what you mention?
Your flying career has indeed been colorful!
/J
PS: Morris to John, radio exchange after a complete hydraulic failure:
"John, just put the G*dd*mn gear lever in the 'down' position and we can
discuss this after you land." So ends, uneventfully, my first true Commander
emergency. April something, 2003.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
> In a message dated 12-May-05 21:18:11 Pacific Daylight Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic
system
> unserviceable in a 680FLP?
> The early Commanders had one hydraulic pump as standard. However, there
is a
> hand pump in those models for (manual) redundancy.
>
> Flying an -FLP with one hydraulic pump working is a good idea when:
>
> You're being chased by natives throwing spears.
>
> You're being chased by locals firing machine guns.
>
> You're being chased by her husband.
>
> Otherwise, don't.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
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| From: | "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
Tom i have a Good Pump for the IGSO-540-B1A or C
Harry.
$4000.00
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic
> system
> unserviceable in a 680FLP?
> The left system was not putting out so I pulled the pump and sent it off
> only to be told the insides are trashed.
> I called the previous owner about it and his response was "oh that never
> worked and the right one cavatates occasionally".
>
> Tom F.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
Thanks but I am running the IO720s with Skydrol!
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
> Tom i have a Good Pump for the IGSO-540-B1A or C
> Harry.
> $4000.00
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> >
> >
> > What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic
> > system
> > unserviceable in a 680FLP?
> > The left system was not putting out so I pulled the pump and sent it off
> > only to be told the insides are trashed.
> > I called the previous owner about it and his response was "oh that never
> > worked and the right one cavatates occasionally".
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic system
unserviceable in a 680FLP?
It would "officially" require a ferry permit. Like WCG, I don't think it is
a great idea. That said, I flew a 560A 800hr and it left the factory with
only one pump, so?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
In a message dated 12-May-05 23:04:43 Pacific Daylight Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
>
>
Good heavens, Wing Commander.....do you speak from experience? Hath you
flown a 680 under threat of what you mention?
>
>
Well, to be totally accurate, they're weren't firing the machine guns, just
pointing them. The rest is all true.
Good work on your emergency gear extension procedure, by the way.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
My straight 500 had only one pump for as long as I had it. One day I allowed
a non-commander (ATP) pilot to do a trip and in spite of my pre flight
instructions about her specific care, such as always start the left engine
first, he smartly started the right hand engine - no brakes. I was sprawled
across the nose franticly trying to slow her down as I was being pushed in
the direction of parked planes tied down across the taxiway. He had enough
brains to shut the engine down again instead of trying to start the left
engine. After that he must have paid attention to the owner's brief.
I guess the notion that if a piece of equipment is installed and required,
the plane is US if it doesn't work.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic
system
> unserviceable in a 680FLP?
>
>
> It would "officially" require a ferry permit. Like WCG, I don't think it
is
> a great idea. That said, I flew a 560A 800hr and it left the factory
with
> only one pump, so?? jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Jimmy Rodriguez Where are you? I need your help.
The e-mail just came back Jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
My opinion as well, now I am on the hunt for a Skydrol hydraulic pump.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
> My straight 500 had only one pump for as long as I had it. One day I
allowed
> a non-commander (ATP) pilot to do a trip and in spite of my pre flight
> instructions about her specific care, such as always start the left engine
> first, he smartly started the right hand engine - no brakes. I was
sprawled
> across the nose franticly trying to slow her down as I was being pushed in
> the direction of parked planes tied down across the taxiway. He had enough
> brains to shut the engine down again instead of trying to start the left
> engine. After that he must have paid attention to the owner's brief.
> I guess the notion that if a piece of equipment is installed and required,
> the plane is US if it doesn't work.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> >
> > What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic
> system
> > unserviceable in a 680FLP?
> >
> >
> > It would "officially" require a ferry permit. Like WCG, I don't think
it
> is
> > a great idea. That said, I flew a 560A 800hr and it left the factory
> with
> > only one pump, so?? jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
Hi Tom and all:
My .002 Cents worth.
A hydraulic Pump doesn't care what it is pumping, 5606 or Skydrol, The only
difference between the two is the O-Ring Seals are Special for Skydrol, and
they should already be in all your Skydrol Hyd. Components.
Capnspray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> My opinion as well, now I am on the hunt for a Skydrol hydraulic pump.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
>
>>
>> My straight 500 had only one pump for as long as I had it. One day I
> allowed
>> a non-commander (ATP) pilot to do a trip and in spite of my pre flight
>> instructions about her specific care, such as always start the left
>> engine
>> first, he smartly started the right hand engine - no brakes. I was
> sprawled
>> across the nose franticly trying to slow her down as I was being pushed
>> in
>> the direction of parked planes tied down across the taxiway. He had
>> enough
>> brains to shut the engine down again instead of trying to start the left
>> engine. After that he must have paid attention to the owner's brief.
>> I guess the notion that if a piece of equipment is installed and
>> required,
>> the plane is US if it doesn't work.
>> Nico
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>> >
>> > What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one hydraulic
>> system
>> > unserviceable in a 680FLP?
>> >
>> >
>> > It would "officially" require a ferry permit. Like WCG, I don't think
> it
>> is
>> > a great idea. That said, I flew a 560A 800hr and it left the factory
>> with
>> > only one pump, so?? jb
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
Any comments on changing to 5606?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
> Hi Tom and all:
>
> My .002 Cents worth.
>
> A hydraulic Pump doesn't care what it is pumping, 5606 or Skydrol, The
only
> difference between the two is the O-Ring Seals are Special for Skydrol,
and
> they should already be in all your Skydrol Hyd. Components.
>
> Capnspray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
>
>
> >
> >
> > My opinion as well, now I am on the hunt for a Skydrol hydraulic pump.
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> My straight 500 had only one pump for as long as I had it. One day I
> > allowed
> >> a non-commander (ATP) pilot to do a trip and in spite of my pre flight
> >> instructions about her specific care, such as always start the left
> >> engine
> >> first, he smartly started the right hand engine - no brakes. I was
> > sprawled
> >> across the nose franticly trying to slow her down as I was being pushed
> >> in
> >> the direction of parked planes tied down across the taxiway. He had
> >> enough
> >> brains to shut the engine down again instead of trying to start the
left
> >> engine. After that he must have paid attention to the owner's brief.
> >> I guess the notion that if a piece of equipment is installed and
> >> required,
> >> the plane is US if it doesn't work.
> >> Nico
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> >> To:
> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: One hydraulic system
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:18:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> >> > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> >> >
> >> > What are your opinions on someone flying knowingly with one
hydraulic
> >> system
> >> > unserviceable in a 680FLP?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It would "officially" require a ferry permit. Like WCG, I don't
think
> > it
> >> is
> >> > a great idea. That said, I flew a 560A 800hr and it left the factory
> >> with
> >> > only one pump, so?? jb
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Any comments on changing to 5606?
>
A few ...
5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you commonality
throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was Monsanto's
Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be thoroughly
flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O rings
could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so you'll have
to change all of those.
If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance technicians
will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful than the
earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so it's not
a rare as some would like to say.
From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi hydraulic
Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being developed around
that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr. RPM
with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need for
Skydrol.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
My 720 used skydrol back in the early 80's and even then, I remember that we
had some problems relating to it....
Rob
In a message dated 5/14/2005 11:06:50 AM Central Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> hydraulic
> Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
> flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> developed around
> that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr. RPM
> with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need for
> Skydrol.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: One hydraulic system |
In a message dated 5/13/2005 6:00:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com writes:
A hydraulic Pump doesn't care what it is pumping, 5606 or Skydrol,
That is true, but in the case of the Skydrol airplanes, the pump is
different, designed to pump higher volumes (to run the hyd motor on the
Pressurization pump) at 3000 PSI. jb (hope that wasn't .05 cents worth;-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you commonality
> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
> Monsanto's
> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
Correction.......
> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
USED TO
> makes Skydrol
Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
Monsanto several years ago.
Just a useless point of trivia!
When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
My Continuous Garage Sale:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
ls
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the original
Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But, they
said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came in.
Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems all
over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
We Miss Dick Wortinger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
>> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
>> commonality
>> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
>> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
>> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
>> Monsanto's
>> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
>
> Correction.......
>> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
> USED TO
>> makes Skydrol
>
>
> Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
> Monsanto several years ago.
>
> Just a useless point of trivia!
>
> When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
> their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
>
>
> --
> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
> My Continuous Garage Sale:
> http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
> ls
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
Jerry,
Are you coming to New Orleans in June?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the original
Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But, they
said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came in.
Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems all
over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
We Miss Dick Wortinger.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
>> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
>> commonality
>> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing gear
>> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
>> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
>> Monsanto's
>> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
>
> Correction.......
>> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
> USED TO
>> makes Skydrol
>
>
> Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
> Monsanto several years ago.
>
> Just a useless point of trivia!
>
> When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
> their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
>
>
> --
> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>
> My Continuous Garage Sale:
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
> ls
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
Yes, I will be there June 16th I think.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Boelte" <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
>
> Jerry,
> Are you coming to New Orleans in June?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sprayberry
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
>
>
> I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
> Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
> CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the
> original
> Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But,
> they
>
> said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
> Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came
> in.
>
> Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
> Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
> others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
> talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
> Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems
> all
>
> over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
> different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
>
> I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
>
> We Miss Dick Wortinger.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/05 11:05 AM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
>>
>>> 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
>>> commonality
>>> throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
>>> gear
>>> struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
>>> knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
>>> Monsanto's
>>> Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
>>
>> Correction.......
>>> and that was Monsanto's Shrike -- and Monsanto
>> USED TO
>>> makes Skydrol
>>
>>
>> Skydrol production was shifted to Solutia, which itself was spun off from
>> Monsanto several years ago.
>>
>> Just a useless point of trivia!
>>
>> When Monsanto spun off Solutia, it seems like they put into Solutia all
>> their businesses that had a high level of ecological future liabilities.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
>> St. Louis, Missouri USA
>>
>> http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
>>
>> My Continuous Garage Sale:
>>
> http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=denea
>> ls
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
Thank you, Jerry for bringing back such great memories for me.
My mentor, who got me interested in flying and Commanderdom, inspired me to
go to college after dropping out of high school.
I ended up in Miami, where you could see Bud's Commander parked outside the
hangar as you'd drive on LeJeune Rd. He had the National Sunburst logo
painted on the tail.
As I recall, Eastern also had a couple Commanders. I was told they were
used for IFR training. They would operate out of their hangar on 36th
Street.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jerry Sprayberry
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
I had the pleasure of talking a great deal with the Late Dick Wortinger of
Commander Aero about the Possibility of changing my 680F(p) to 5606,
CloudCraft is correct about the 3000psi system. Dick was in on the original
Certification of the F(p) and the FAA gave them a choice of Fluid, But, they
said that with 5606 they would require a Fire Detection and a Fire
Protection System installed, Naturally that is when the cost factor came in.
Another short story about Skydrol. Some of you might remember National
Airlines, Bud Maytag's Toy that actually made Money unlike some of the
others at that time. Well the story goes like this, Some Skydrol Salesman
talked the Director of Maint. into changing the entire fleet 727's DC8's
Electras to Skydrol, Within two weeks time we were Popping HYD. Systems all
over the System. Apparently they didn't know about the O-Ring Seals being
different. They had to change every Seal, And that is a lot of O-Rings.
I guess I went a little wordy here, Sorry.
We Miss Dick Wortinger.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Bendix M4 Autopilot |
Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone out there
have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a while ago.
One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop, the guy's worked
on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired but needed the computer.
Let me know if you have one you are willing to sell and the price. I
fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I had the privilege of hosting the TCFG historian, Barry Collman at
our home this weekend. Barry and Chris Hagg are spending three weeks at TCAC
looking through the old records. They have uncovered some amazing tidbits.
Like, the first Commander to receive Pressurization was not the 720. A 520
was modified as far back as 1956 as a test bed for the new system.
We had a great time talking Commanders. We jumped in triple 2 and flew
to Scappoose Or. for lunch and flew the canyon rout back home. It was a
great afternoon.
Barry will be another week in Arlington. Hope al is well in your world.
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
Ray,
I have two of the 5536 units. One is good and the other has a couple of
parts missing (it has been robbed). Also, I have the original pilots
manual, complete over haul manual (which I paid $ 200.00 +) and some trim
servos and parts, and primary servos and parts, along with trim servo and
primary servo home made test rigs. There are also many spare parts in my
"collection". $ 1,500 takes the whole lot.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
>
> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to sell
and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> hcourier(at)cox.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
Don,
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless. I have the two New York Air Brake pumps, and with 3,100 lbs
pressure you still can not get the plane to roll on one engine, although the
front wheel will turn quite nicely. If you shut one engine down during taxi
things are just fine as long as you don't come to a complete stop.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
>
> Commanderland;
>
> Since everyone is talking about hydraulics, I have a question. My 560E
> with its 1000-1200 PSI will not turn the nose wheel if the airplane is not
> moving. Is this normal? Or do I have a problem and need to do something?
> I normal just use differential power and or brakes, but it would be a
> problem if I ever needed to taxi with only one engine.
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Date: 5/14/2005 12:05:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > Any comments on changing to 5606?
> > >
> > A few ...
> >
> > 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
> commonality
> > throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
gear
> > struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
> > knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
> Monsanto's
> > Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
> >
> > Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be
> thoroughly
> > flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O
> rings
> > could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so
> you'll have
> > to change all of those.
> >
> > If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
> > stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance
> technicians
> > will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
> >
> > To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful than
> the
> > earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so
> it's not
> > a rare as some would like to say.
> >
> > From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> hydraulic
> > Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
> > flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> developed around
> > that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr.
> RPM
> > with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need
> for
> > Skydrol.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER"
rm, jerry sprayberry bought my m4 unit complete. you might contact him. mason
2001m
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfied<mailto:hcourier(at)cox.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied" >
Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone out
there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a while ago.
One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop, the guy's worked
on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired but needed the
computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to sell and the price.
I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
You can taxi on one engine from a standing start but you have to go in a
circle until you have some speed, then you can go where you want as long as
you maintain speed. At least it worked on my 500A.
Jim A
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
Don,
I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
regardless. I have the two New York Air Brake pumps, and with 3,100 lbs
pressure you still can not get the plane to roll on one engine, although the
front wheel will turn quite nicely. If you shut one engine down during taxi
things are just fine as long as you don't come to a complete stop.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
>
> Commanderland;
>
> Since everyone is talking about hydraulics, I have a question. My 560E
> with its 1000-1200 PSI will not turn the nose wheel if the airplane is not
> moving. Is this normal? Or do I have a problem and need to do something?
> I normal just use differential power and or brakes, but it would be a
> problem if I ever needed to taxi with only one engine.
>
> Don
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Date: 5/14/2005 12:05:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> >
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > Any comments on changing to 5606?
> > >
> > A few ...
> >
> > 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
> commonality
> > throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
gear
> > struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To my
> > knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that was
> Monsanto's
> > Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
> >
> > Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be
> thoroughly
> > flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O
> rings
> > could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so
> you'll have
> > to change all of those.
> >
> > If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
> > stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance
> technicians
> > will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
> >
> > To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful than
> the
> > earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so
> it's not
> > a rare as some would like to say.
> >
> > From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> hydraulic
> > Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's better
> > flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> developed around
> > that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr.
> RPM
> > with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational need
> for
> > Skydrol.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Skydrol or 5606? |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "John Vormbaum"
During my training, we feathered a prop and couldn't get it un-feathered. On
a taxiway, from a complete stop, John Meredith was able to U-Turn my
airplane in its own radius and taxi back. The most impressive part? He had
to turn INTO the running engine and it WORKED!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> You can taxi on one engine from a standing start but you have to go in a
> circle until you have some speed, then you can go where you want as long
as
> you maintain speed. At least it worked on my 500A.
> Jim A
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
>
> Don,
>
> I don't think that you can taxi with one engine from a standing start
> regardless. I have the two New York Air Brake pumps, and with 3,100 lbs
> pressure you still can not get the plane to roll on one engine, although
the
> front wheel will turn quite nicely. If you shut one engine down during
taxi
> things are just fine as long as you don't come to a complete stop.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
>
>
> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod"
>
> >
> > Commanderland;
> >
> > Since everyone is talking about hydraulics, I have a question. My 560E
> > with its 1000-1200 PSI will not turn the nose wheel if the airplane is
not
> > moving. Is this normal? Or do I have a problem and need to do
something?
> > I normal just use differential power and or brakes, but it would be a
> > problem if I ever needed to taxi with only one engine.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Date: 5/14/2005 12:05:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Skydrol or 5606?
> > >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
> > >
> > > In a message dated 14-May-05 08:46:34 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > Any comments on changing to 5606?
> > > >
> > > A few ...
> > >
> > > 5606 or its equivalent is less caustic, cheaper and will give you
> > commonality
> > > throughout the airplane. (I saw one mechanic try to rebuild landing
> gear
> > > struts with Skydrol because the "rest of the airplane" used it. To
my
> > > knowledge, only one Commander had Skydrol in the MLG struts and that
was
> > Monsanto's
> > > Shrike -- and Monsanto makes Skydrol.)
> > >
> > > Changing isn't as easy as it sounds. The entire system has to be
> > thoroughly
> > > flushed a few times and although I used to think Skydrol seals and O
> > rings
> > > could be compatible with 5606, I've been told that's not true -- so
> > you'll have
> > > to change all of those.
> > >
> > > If you do that, you'll have an airplane that's not going to get paint
> > > stripped every time some (hydraulic) fluid drips or leaks, maintenance
> > technicians
> > > will be happier and you'll have a cheaper and more available fluid.
> > >
> > > To be fair, if you use Skydrol B, it's supposed to be less harmful
than
> > the
> > > earlier version and it is used in lots of current production jets, so
> > it's not
> > > a rare as some would like to say.
> > >
> > > From an historical point of view, Skydrol was used on the 3000 psi
> > hydraulic
> > > Commanders (those with cabin superchargers) because of Skydrol's
better
> > > flammability characteristics -- a consideration with the heat being
> > developed around
> > > that 3000 psi system and pressurization system. Since you have a Mr.
> > RPM
> > > with bleed air and no 3000 psi appliances, there is no operational
need
> > for
> > > Skydrol.
> > >
> > > Wing Commander Gordon
> > >
> > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow"
Jimmy Rodriguez, Where are you?
bilbo
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| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the information. I found what I needed through a guy in
Ferandina Beach, FL. Hopefully the old M4 in the Aero Commander 680 I fly
will work now. It's down for some engine work so may be a while before I
get to try it out. Thanks for the reply. I'll keep in mind your M4
autopilot stuff in case another need arises.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Moe"
>
> Ray,
>
> I have two of the 5536 units. One is good and the other has a couple of
> parts missing (it has been robbed). Also, I have the original pilots
> manual, complete over haul manual (which I paid $ 200.00 +) and some trim
> servos and parts, and primary servos and parts, along with trim servo and
> primary servo home made test rigs. There are also many spare parts in my
> "collection". $ 1,500 takes the whole lot.
>
> Moe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
>
>
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
>>
>> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
> out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
> while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
> the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
> but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to
> sell
> and the price. I fly a 680 FLP, thank you.
>>
>> Ray Mansfield
>> hcourier(at)cox.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Ray Mansfied" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bendix M4 Autopilot |
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the information. I found what I needed through a guy in
Ferandina Beach, FL. Hopefully the old M4 in the Aero Commander 680 I fly
will work now. It's down for some engine work so may be a while before I
get to try it out. Thanks for the reply.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
>
> Ray,
> I don't know what Mason Chevillier had in his, or the condition, but I
> know
> he changed to a new one. He has a 680FP.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Bendix M4 Autopilot
>
>
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Ray Mansfied"
>
> Am looking for a Bendix M4 autopilot computer, model # 5536. Does anyone
> out there have one to sell that works? My autopliot quit working quite a
> while ago. One shop said it was beyond economical repair. Another shop,
> the guy's worked on the M4s since 1961, said it could probably be repaired
> but needed the computer. Let me know if you have one you are willing to
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