Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bq

July 19, 2005 - August 19, 2005



Date: Jul 19, 2005
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Bert. I would love to get a copy of this '68 500s report, since that is what I have. Jorge Gonzalez P.O. Box 5483 Santa Fe, NM 87502 or based at Sandia Airpark 38 Mountain View Lane Edgewood, NM 87015 Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Thanks, please count me in, Bert. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know > who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to > have something that I don't please share. > > Thanks, > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Bert, I'll take one!! Thanks, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know > who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to > have something that I don't please share. > > Thanks, > > Bert > > > __________ NOD32 1.1172 (20050718) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1172 (20050718) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Bert, I'd love a copy. Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to have something that I don't please share. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Bert, I would like a copy. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to have something that I don't please share. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
In a message dated 7/19/2005 5:12:28 PM Central Standard Time, sather(at)charter.net writes: > I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me > know > who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you > happen to > have something that I don't please share. > > Thanks, > > Bert Me too, Bert. Thanks Much. Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2005
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Cleveland brake dealer
All, Noticed some on eBay recently, I didn't bookmark the site at the time. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 06:53 20/07/2005, you wrote: > > >Hi out there, Does anyone have a recomendation of a Cleveland Brake >dealer where a good price can be found on a brake kit 199-88? > >thanks, > >Dan > > >--------------------------------- > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2005
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Bert, Please add me to the list, Best regards, Bill Hamilton. At 06:48 20/07/2005, you wrote: > >I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know >who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you >happen to >have something that I don't please share. > >Thanks, > >Bert > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
"commander-list"
Subject: Cleveland brake dealer
Date: Jul 19, 2005
texair.com has the kit listed for $3244, list price is around $5000. When I ordered mine it took 4-5 weeks fo Cleveland to make up the kit. Phil > [Original Message] > From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com> > To: commander-list > Date: 7/19/2005 4:53:11 PM > Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland brake dealer > > > Hi out there, Does anyone have a recomendation of a Cleveland Brake dealer where a good price can be found on a brake kit 199-88? > > thanks, > > Dan > > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barshalom(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Thanks Bert. I would like the article. Bill Culwell N69PT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2005
Subject: Re: Cleveland brake dealer
In a message dated 7/19/2005 3:16:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com writes: brake kit 199-88? Try Dresser tire. They advertise in TAP. Let me know when you are ready to install them and I will spool up the STC paperwork. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Bert, Please add me to your list. Thanks, ken hyde ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Jorge, I was in Santa Fe last Wednesday/Thursday and saw an Aero Commander take off. Was that you? (I was at the Millionaire ramp in my RV-8.) Jim Crunkleton PS-We wanted to go to Sandia Airpark, but ran out of time as we needed to get back to Georgia. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Jim: It was not mine, I brought the a/c to SAF on friday and went back to 1N1 to pick-up Tylor on Saturday A.M. There is someone with a 500S based in SAF but haven't met him yet. JG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Bert, Me too! moe(at)rosspistons.com Thanx Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > In a message dated 7/19/2005 5:12:28 PM Central Standard Time, > sather(at)charter.net writes: > > I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me > > know > > who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you > > happen to > > have something that I don't please share. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bert > > Me too, Bert. Thanks Much. > Rob > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William Boelte" <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Subject: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Bert, I would appreciate a copy of this article. Thank you. Bill William Boelte 2004 Blue Haven Drive New Iberia, LA 70563 337-364-6490 337-364-6233 fax 337-519-5081 cell -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to have something that I don't please share. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Subject: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT
I've gotten about 10 mail system error messages back from sending this report out this morning. It is about 7.5 megs and seems to be overloading many of your mailboxes. If someone in the group has a server up and wants to put this on a web page for everyone to go and download it, that would be great. I have several of these articles that I would share if someone has the resources to do this. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 20, 2005
You can send them to me, Bert. I run my own servers and there is no limit to the size of email messages that I can receive. Send it to nico(at)cybersuperstore.com. I will publish the articles on my webserver and let everyone have the link. If you have multiple reports, split them up into one report per email message so that the load is spread a bit. Let me know if you need more information. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > I've gotten about 10 mail system error messages back from sending this report > out this morning. It is about 7.5 megs and seems to be overloading many of > your mailboxes. If someone in the group has a server up and wants to put this > on a web page for everyone to go and download it, that would be great. > > I have several of these articles that I would share if someone has the > resources to do this. > > Thanks, > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Folks, I posted all 10 reports to my web server and you can read all of them at http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ You will need Acrobat Reader to access these documents, which you can download from Acrobat's site by searching with any search engine for "acrobat reader'. It will install itself and you should be fine. If you read the reports directly with Acrobat from my server (double click on the report), it will increase the speed with which you can start reading, because Acrobat streams the data over to your computer. This allows you to start reading long before the entire report has been loaded. I have many Commander and other aviation pictures on this site, if you wish to browse around. You may even find your own plane here. If you have copyright issues, please let me know, and I will gladly remove your pictures. Many thanks to Bert for making these available - someone must have gone to the trouble of scanning them up and converting them to Acrobat files. That's excellent service to the Group! Happy viewing! Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > I've gotten about 10 mail system error messages back from sending this report > out this morning. It is about 7.5 megs and seems to be overloading many of > your mailboxes. If someone in the group has a server up and wants to put this > on a web page for everyone to go and download it, that would be great. > > I have several of these articles that I would share if someone has the > resources to do this. > > Thanks, > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Fw: Well Done John Glenn
Date: Jul 20, 2005
You might have seen this before. It's worth reading again... Well Done John Glenn! Things that make you think a little........ 1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq . 2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ... FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea , North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year. John F. Kennedy. ..started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton ...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. 3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us: President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation. We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman. Wait, there's more....................... Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This is a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of our military. JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13 Senator Howard Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?" Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions. My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank. I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day... to a veteran's hospital and look those men - with their mangled bodies - in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee... and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their Dads didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? I'll tell you, Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every day of your life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN - who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty - that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice is what made this country possible. I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?" For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA. If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: 500S Report
Date: Jul 20, 2005
Bert, I'd love a copy. Larry Wokral l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Please add me to you list. I own a 500S. Tmathieu(at)msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: RE: 500S Report
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Bert, Copy to me also please. Should have no problem with my mailbox size. Steve Gilson -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wokral Subject: Commander-List: RE: 500S Report Bert, I'd love a copy. Larry Wokral l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com Thanks ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: RE: 500S Report
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Larry You can read the reports at http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Commander-List: RE: 500S Report > > Bert, > > I'd love a copy. > > Larry Wokral > l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com > > Thanks > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Tommy, You can read the reports at http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > Please add me to you list. I own a 500S. Tmathieu(at)msn.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Nico, Thanks for putting those articles up on a web site. You're a saint! Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Nico, Thank you very much for the 10 reports. This is a very important addition to my Commander Library! Regards, Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > Folks, > I posted all 10 reports to my web server and you can read all of them at > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ > > You will need Acrobat Reader to access these documents, which you can > download from Acrobat's site by searching with any search engine for > "acrobat reader'. It will install itself and you should be fine. > > If you read the reports directly with Acrobat from my server (double click > on the report), it will increase the speed with which you can start reading, > because Acrobat streams the data over to your computer. This allows you to > start reading long before the entire report has been loaded. > > I have many Commander and other aviation pictures on this site, if you wish > to browse around. You may even find your own plane here. If you have > copyright issues, please let me know, and I will gladly remove your > pictures. > > Many thanks to Bert for making these available - someone must have gone to > the trouble of scanning them up and converting them to Acrobat files. > > That's excellent service to the Group! > > Happy viewing! > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > To: > Subject: Commander-List: 1968 500 SHRIKE REPORT > > > > > > I've gotten about 10 mail system error messages back from sending this > report > > out this morning. It is about 7.5 megs and seems to be overloading many > of > > your mailboxes. If someone in the group has a server up and wants to put > this > > on a web page for everyone to go and download it, that would be great. > > > > I have several of these articles that I would share if someone has the > > resources to do this. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bert > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Subject: 680F
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From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Subject: Aero Commander Brochures
I just sent Nico the following Aero Commander Brochures to list on his website: 500A 500B 560A 680E 680F 680FL I have a few more but ran out of time today. I also have many duplicate advertisements, would be willing to trade someone for something I don't have. Not interested in selling any of this stuff just wanted to share and maybe trade if someone is interested. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
P.S. THANKS NICO FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE THESE WITH THE GROUP. BERT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 21, 2005
I want to thank both of you for what you have done. This is great. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures P.S. THANKS NICO FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE THESE WITH THE GROUP. BERT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2005
Subject: N7UP Down
Sad news in Commander Land. North Las Vegas (KVGT) is the site of another Aero Commander crash. N7UP, an AC-680-FL is totaled. For the preliminary news and some pretty grim photos, follow this link: http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3625919&nav=168XcQqL Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N7UP
Date: Jul 21, 2005
We lost N7UP this afternoon! 100 degrees plus in North Las Vegas. No souls perished but 3 hospitalized. Pilot is Jon Stairs. Aircraft Destroyed! I need something else to do, I am tired of all of this. Mike Commander NW LTD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N7UP
Date: Jul 21, 2005
There she is destroyed in the dirt with the left engine still running. http://www.kvbc.com/ Mike Commander NW LTD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 21, 2005
It's a pleasure. Like all of you, I am a total Commander nut and would like to see its virtues spread as far and wide as possible. I found the turbo Commander's performance specs particulary interesting. Flying as I read it - all in my crazy mind... Bert deserves most of the accolades, of course, it was no small effort preparing the articles for pdf. Thanks, Bert. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > I want to thank both of you for what you have done. This is great. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of > BertBerry1(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > P.S. THANKS NICO FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE THESE WITH THE GROUP. > > BERT > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: N7UP
Date: Jul 21, 2005
What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our website to preserve it. KVBC will take it off their website in a few days and then we won't have access to it. Is there anyone who knows someone over there who could talk them into giving us the video clip? We will host it with all proper credits, or they could let us have a deep link to it in their archive. We will keep it with the uninformed news anchors intact. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Commander-List: N7UP > > There she is destroyed in the dirt with the left engine still running. > > > http://www.kvbc.com/ > > Mike > Commander NW LTD > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 21, 2005
The new pdf files have been uploaded. The new ones are dated 7/21/2005. Happy viewing. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > I want to thank both of you for what you have done. This is great. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of > BertBerry1(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > P.S. THANKS NICO FOR ALLOWING ME TO SHARE THESE WITH THE GROUP. > > BERT > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N7UP
Date: Jul 21, 2005
She had both engines running in the dirt. The mechanic had an idea what was going on, pull the cables on the mixture and she will quit. life may be rough elsewhere but, I am not going be to pretty when I go. I am going to look like hell my body shot. Slide in sideways, cigarette in one hand and a martini in the other screaming WHOO HOO what a RIDE! Courtesy the wall MCG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: N7UP
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Nico, I had an early morning show video interview done with me and a couple of their anchors for my company's' Home Drug Tests a few years ago. They gave me a copy, only after prodding and asking a few times. I will research my notes and get in touch with those earlier contacts and see if they will continue to return the favor. Be patient here and I will advise when a copy is made available. Steve G and Rob M AC500 N6291B L31 St. Tammany -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our website to preserve it. KVBC will take it off their website in a few days and then we won't have access to it. Is there anyone who knows someone over there who could talk them into giving us the video clip? We will host it with all proper credits, or they could let us have a deep link to it in their archive. We will keep it with the uninformed news anchors intact. If anyone could help, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Commander-List: N7UP > > There she is destroyed in the dirt with the left engine still running. > > > http://www.kvbc.com/ > > Mike > Commander NW LTD > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Subject: Re: N7UP
Good Morning nico, It is very sad to see a nice airplane meet a fate like that. I do have quite a bit of time flying N7UP, but it wasn't a Commander then. If you don't mind, I would like to add a bit of history to the tale. The registration number, N7UP, was held by the Union Pacific Railroad, but had not yet been assigned to an aircraft. We sold a 1968 Beechcraft B55 Baron to a local beverage bottler. He applied to the feds for that number and was informed that the railroad had it reserved. After making direct contact with the president of the railroad, the number was released and applied to the Baron. I have no knowledge as to when the registration left the Baron and whether it was applied to any other aircraft before it went to the Commander, but it was on the Baron in the 1968 to 1972 time frame, plus or minus a couple of years. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Airpark LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:50:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: N7UP
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Hi Gang, Regarding N7UP, I too do not have any knowledge on which aircraft had that mark assigned before the 680FL, apart now from the Baron of course. However, I do know that it was assigned to the Commander on September 29th 1979, painted on October 24th and registered as such with the FAA on December 6th 1979. Before that it was N777UP (Mar77 to Sep79) and N78353. Our friends at Commander Northwest bought it from Seven Up Bottling Company of San Francisco on January 14th 1991. N777UP was also on a much earlier Commander owned by 7UP, namely Model 560, s/n 163, from April 1963 to February 1977. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP | | | Good Morning nico, | | It is very sad to see a nice airplane meet a fate like that. | | I do have quite a bit of time flying N7UP, but it wasn't a Commander then. | | If you don't mind, I would like to add a bit of history to the tale. The | registration number, N7UP, was held by the Union Pacific Railroad, but had not | yet been assigned to an aircraft. | | We sold a 1968 Beechcraft B55 Baron to a local beverage bottler. He applied | to the feds for that number and was informed that the railroad had it | reserved. After making direct contact with the president of the railroad, the | number was released and applied to the Baron. | | I have no knowledge as to when the registration left the Baron and whether | it was applied to any other aircraft before it went to the Commander, but it | was on the Baron in the 1968 to 1972 time frame, plus or minus a couple of | years. | | Happy Skies, | | Old Bob | AKA | Bob Siegfried | Ancient Aviator | Stearman N3977A | Brookeridge Airpark LL22 | Downers Grove, IL 60516 | 630 985-8502 | | | In a message dated 7/21/2005 11:50:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, | nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: | | What an amazing aircraft. I have never seen anything like it. Cockpit gone, | pilots OK. Aircraft destroyed, left engine runs like crazy. TV crew on the | scene, news anchor has no idea what he is talking about. Not even the guy in | the chopper knows aircraft terms and language. Par for the course. It seems | evident that the guy who poked around in the wheel well was trying to | disconnect a fuel line or something to stop the engine. | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
I'm glad to share the info with all of you, hopefully this will encourage others to share their collection with the rest of us. More to come. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Subject: Re: N7UP
In a message dated 7/21/2005 9:50:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our website to preserve it. KVBC Can you get some contact info for them. I will call them and ask if they will send a copy to me. Thanks jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Subject: Re: N7UP
In a message dated 7/21/2005 8:29:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, floydgm(at)hotmail.com writes: I need something else to do, I am tired of all of this. Mike I am so sorry to hear for the lose of life and of course "7UP" I ran across 7UP a couple of years ago while fueling a Beaver on floats I was delivering. I have felt like you, so discouraged at the loss of an airplane and the occupants. Sadly, It is just part of aviation. In the summer of 1987, I was crop dusting in Idaho's Treasure Valley. That year, there were 6 fatal and one non fatal accidents. The funerals of my friends were so close together that I could not attend all of them. I was the lone 'non-fatal" crash. I destroyed a beautiful Thrush Commander S2R-600. Don't give up!! The work you do with these airplanes is important and nobody does it better that Commander NW. I pray God will give you strength in this time of loss. If there is anything any of us can do, please ask. God Bless Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: N7UP
Date: Jul 22, 2005
This is their contact information that I could find. I hope you are successful. Thanks Nico KVBC-TV NBC 1500 Foremaster Lane Las Vegas, NV 89101 (near the corner of Las Vegas Blvd. and Foremaster) If you have ANY questions regarding the web site or would like to inquire about stories posted on the website please email the KVBC Webmaster . Contacts: Assignment/News Desk: phone: (702) 657-3150 fax : (702) 657-3152 email: Rmartinez(at)kvbc.com Web Producer: phone: (702) 657-3183 or 657-3157 email: webmaster(at)kvbc.com General Information: phone: (702) 642-3333 email: Rmartinez(at)kvbc.com Anchor/Reporter: email: Click Here ----- Original Message ----- From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP > > > In a message dated 7/21/2005 9:50:35 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: > > Anyway, what an amazing bit of footage. Pity we cannot get that on our > website to preserve it. KVBC > > > Can you get some contact info for them. I will call them and ask if they > will send a copy to me. Thanks jb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 22, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
BertBerry1(at)aol.com wrote: > I'm glad to share the info with all of you, hopefully this will encourage > others to share their collection with the rest of us. Thanks Bert - wonderfull collection! JB, there is a pretty significan collection of old ads on the old web site. The links are currently broken, but it appears that the collection I'd accumulated is mostly still there. Could you repair the links and make this collection available to every one please? The root URL is: http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/index.html There are 9 pages each with a number of brochures. The links need to reference an index file in each subdirectory - ie: http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/1/index.html Thanks, Chris Schuermann ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
The ads and brochures that are on the old website were ones that I sent some time ago. I'll try to get most of them to Nico as soon as it becomes possible. I just sent him the 680S Super brochure and the 690B brochure, so you should be seeing those soon. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Every time I try to print the FLP article to my laser I get "insufficient memory" oh well, nice try anyway. Tom C-GISS 680FLP Mr.RPM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > BertBerry1(at)aol.com wrote: > > I'm glad to share the info with all of you, hopefully this will encourage > > others to share their collection with the rest of us. > > > Thanks Bert - wonderfull collection! > > JB, there is a pretty significan collection of old ads on the old web > site. The links are currently broken, but it appears that the > collection I'd accumulated is mostly still there. Could you repair the > links and make this collection available to every one please? > The root URL is: http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/index.html > There are 9 pages each with a number of brochures. > > The links need to reference an index file in each subdirectory - ie: > http://www.aerocommander.com/Pbrochures/1/index.html > > Thanks, > Chris Schuermann > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: N7UP
Date: Jul 22, 2005
m, amen mason 680 fp 2001m ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: N7UP In a message dated 7/21/2005 8:29:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, floydgm(at)hotmail.com writes: I need something else to do, I am tired of all of this. Mike I am so sorry to hear for the lose of life and of course "7UP" I ran across 7UP a couple of years ago while fueling a Beaver on floats I was delivering. I have felt like you, so discouraged at the loss of an airplane and the occupants. Sadly, It is just part of aviation. In the summer of 1987, I was crop dusting in Idaho's Treasure Valley. That year, there were 6 fatal and one non fatal accidents. The funerals of my friends were so close together that I could not attend all of them. I was the lone 'non-fatal" crash. I destroyed a beautiful Thrush Commander S2R-600. Don't give up!! The work you do with these airplanes is important and nobody does it better that Commander NW. I pray God will give you strength in this time of loss. If there is anything any of us can do, please ask. God Bless Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Hey Tom, Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it in its current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to work. Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 22, 2005
I will try that, thanks. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > Hey Tom, > > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it in its > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to work. > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 22, 2005
Folks, Those dated 7/22/2005 have been uploaded today. There is a lot of classic pictures and articles on the webserver now. I will look into making it easier to navigate the information. Next week some time. Enjoy. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > I will try that, thanks. > Tom > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > > > > Hey Tom, > > > > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it in > its > > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to > work. > > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. > > > > Bert > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 23, 2005
Just got back from Alaska. Would love to have the report as I have a 1970 500S Shrike. Don Falik 790 W. Lawrence Ave. Charlotte, Mi. 48813 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT I just got it in, the 1968 Flying Magazine, 500S Shrike Report, let me know who wants it, I'll do a mass mailing in the morning. If any of you happen to have something that I don't please share. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 23, 2005
Bert, I just spend a week in Santa Fe. With my wife and my 500S (1970). I took a side trip to San Francisco for a day while my wife did the artsy stuff. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT Bert. I would love to get a copy of this '68 500s report, since that is what I have. Jorge Gonzalez P.O. Box 5483 Santa Fe, NM 87502 or based at Sandia Airpark 38 Mountain View Lane Edgewood, NM 87015 Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 1968 FLYING 500 SHRIKE REPORT
Date: Jul 23, 2005
Don, That must have been you in SAF. I was there in my RV-8 and saw a Commander take off. Jim Crunkleton 1964 560F ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Heading out Monday on a long Aero Commander trip...
Date: Jul 23, 2005
I'm not going across the pond, like some people, but a pretty good trip coming up: Wx permitting, departing SNA Mon AM to spend a couple days at OSH [I won't be flying in this trip], a family reunioin in Iowa, in-laws in Rochester, NY, music and food across the south... I put up a blog in case anyone wants to follow along. I'm gonna try my best to update it as I go. http://akucheck.squarespace.com/journal/2005/7/21/travelblog.html ak -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 24, 2005
Subject: Re: Heading out Monday on a long Aero Commander trip..
. moe, i need a copy of the list of suppliers. would you be so kind as to send a copy. thank you in advance. allan hoffman n628ah ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Heading out Monday on a long Aero Commander trip...
Date: Jul 23, 2005
Alan, Have fun on your trip! I'll definitely take a look at your blog, maybe I can pick up some tips for when I finally fly my airplane to NY... Cheers, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Commander-List: Heading out Monday on a long Aero Commander trip... > > I'm not going across the pond, like some people, but a pretty good trip > coming up: Wx permitting, departing SNA Mon AM to spend a couple days at > OSH [I won't be flying in this trip], a family reunioin in Iowa, in-laws in > Rochester, NY, music and food across the south... > > I put up a blog in case anyone wants to follow along. I'm gonna try my best > to update it as I go. > > http://akucheck.squarespace.com/journal/2005/7/21/travelblog.html > > ak > > -- > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 24, 2005
Subject: (no subject)
My Dad was at the Meeker, Colorado airport Friday, said there was a 500A there that appeared to be broken down. Just wondering if it was one of the group. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Competition #2
Date: Jul 24, 2005
Folks, Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a prize, but I will announce the winners. Thanks for your participation. Nico On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of answering the question above. The second part will consist of an additional clue and then another answer will be required. Do not underestimate the clues given here. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Competition #2 (Link corrected)
Date: Jul 24, 2005
Sorry about the link, folks. This is the correct link or you could click on competition2 and then c172.jpg off the previous link if you wish: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/competition2/c172.jpg Subject: Competition #2 Folks, Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a prize, but I will announce the winners. Thanks for your participation. Nico On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of answering the question above. The second part will consist of an additional clue and then another answer will be required. Do not underestimate the clues given here. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: Competition #2 (Link corrected)
Date: Jul 24, 2005
Um... Nome? Regards, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Competition #2 (Link corrected) > > > Sorry about the link, folks. This is the correct link or you could click > on competition2 and then c172.jpg off the previous link if you wish: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/competition2/c172.jpg > > Subject: Competition #2 > > > Folks, > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a > prize, but I will announce the winners. > Thanks for your participation. > Nico > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able > to explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that > everyone has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: Competition #2 (Link corrected)
Date: Jul 24, 2005
Oops... sorry for the last e-mail ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Competition #2 (Link corrected) > > > Sorry about the link, folks. This is the correct link or you could click > on competition2 and then c172.jpg off the previous link if you wish: > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/competition2/c172.jpg > > Subject: Competition #2 > > > Folks, > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a > prize, but I will announce the winners. > Thanks for your participation. > Nico > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able > to explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that > everyone has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Competition #2
Date: Jul 24, 2005
That's easy. It's parked in Miami. Because there is a lock on the mixture control. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > Folks, > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a > prize, but I will announce the winners. > Thanks for your participation. > Nico > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to > explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone > has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Competition #2
Date: Jul 25, 2005
ooops I blew it! bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > Folks, > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a > prize, but I will announce the winners. > Thanks for your participation. > Nico > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to > explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone > has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Subject: (no subject)
Ok Guys, I just sent Nico the last of it, 1966 to 1983. Some of this stuff includes IAI 1124 Westwinds. Hope you all enjoy. Maybe we can continue to add to this. Hope you guys have some stuff that I don't. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 25, 2005
WOW!!! Thanks gents! This, and John Towers list are certainly greatest contributions ever made to this list. Thanks, bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > Folks, > Those dated 7/22/2005 have been uploaded today. There is a lot of classic > pictures and articles on the webserver now. I will look into making it > easier to navigate the information. Next week some time. > Enjoy. > Nico > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > >> >> I will try that, thanks. >> Tom >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> >> To: >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures >> >> >> > >> > Hey Tom, >> > >> > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it > in >> its >> > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to >> work. >> > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. >> > >> > Bert >> > >> > >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Jul 25, 2005
I must have missed john tower's list... -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:40:07 To: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures WOW!!! Thanks gents! This, and John Towers list are certainly greatest contributions ever made to this list. Thanks, bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > Folks, > Those dated 7/22/2005 have been uploaded today. There is a lot of classic > pictures and articles on the webserver now. I will look into making it > easier to navigate the information. Next week some time. > Enjoy. > Nico > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > >> >> I will try that, thanks. >> Tom >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> >> To: >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures >> >> >> > >> > Hey Tom, >> > >> > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it > in >> its >> > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to >> work. >> > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. >> > >> > Bert >> > >> > >> >> > > > bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Competition #2
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Hmm, I wonder. Assuming that clock is correct and that is the sun shining, it's parked somewhere way way WAY up north! I'll go with Barrow, AK! /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > That's easy. > It's parked in Miami. Because there is a lock on the mixture control. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > To: ; > Subject: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > Folks, > > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a > > prize, but I will announce the winners. > > Thanks for your participation. > > Nico > > > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... where? > > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able to > > explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that everyone > > has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of > > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Competition #2
Date: Jul 25, 2005
I thought that too but then I figured that the clock was set to GMT Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > Hmm, I wonder. Assuming that clock is correct and that is the sun shining, > it's parked somewhere way way WAY up north! I'll go with Barrow, AK! > > /John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > That's easy. > > It's parked in Miami. Because there is a lock on the mixture control. > > > > bilbo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > > To: ; > > Subject: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win a > > > prize, but I will announce the winners. > > > Thanks for your participation. > > > Nico > > > > > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... > where? > > > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be able > to > > > explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that > everyone > > > has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > > > > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists of > > > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > > > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > > > > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > > > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Oshkosh - from Avflash
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Now that Oshkosh is underway... I found this in Avflash. Nico Another day, another air show... I was #3 "in the queue" for landing at Oshkosh a couple of years back. As everyone knows, landing aircraft are spoken to but don't verbally reply to the FAA controllers. ATC to #1 on final: Brown Cessna, land on the Orange Spot. Rock your wings if you copy. (The Cessna rocked his wings.) ATC to #2 on final: Red Biplane, land on the Blue Spot. Rock your wings. (The Pitts Special executed two snap rolls to the left.) ATC: And save that for the show, will you? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Competition #2
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Folks, I did ask that you email me privately with your answers but it appears to be more fun having the discussion on the list. So, please proceed as you have done till now. I will collect responses till Friday and assess what to do then, so do not hesitate to reexamine your earlier responses and send again. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > I thought that too but then I figured that the clock was set to GMT > Tom F. > C-GISS > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > Hmm, I wonder. Assuming that clock is correct and that is the sun shining, > > it's parked somewhere way way WAY up north! I'll go with Barrow, AK! > > > > /John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > > > > That's easy. > > > It's parked in Miami. Because there is a lock on the mixture control. > > > > > > bilbo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > > > To: ; > > > Subject: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot win > a > > > > prize, but I will announce the winners. > > > > Thanks for your participation. > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... > > where? > > > > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be > able > > to > > > > explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that > > everyone > > > > has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > > > > > > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists > of > > > > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > > > > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > > > > > > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > > > > > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Competition #2
Date: Jul 25, 2005
It is more fun reading other members guesses. Tom F. C-GISS (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > Folks, > I did ask that you email me privately with your answers but it appears to be > more fun having the discussion on the list. So, please proceed as you have > done till now. I will collect responses till Friday and assess what to do > then, so do not hesitate to reexamine your earlier responses and send again. > Thanks > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > I thought that too but then I figured that the clock was set to GMT > > Tom F. > > C-GISS > > 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I wonder. Assuming that clock is correct and that is the sun > shining, > > > it's parked somewhere way way WAY up north! I'll go with Barrow, AK! > > > > > > /John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's easy. > > > > It's parked in Miami. Because there is a lock on the mixture control. > > > > > > > > bilbo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > > > > To: ; > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Competition #2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > Here is the promised competition number 2. Once again, you cannot > win > > a > > > > > prize, but I will announce the winners. > > > > > Thanks for your participation. > > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > > > On January 25, 2005, the pilot of this Cessna parked his plane ... > > > where? > > > > > See how accurately you can pinpoint its location. You must also be > > able > > > to > > > > > explain your answer. Send your response to me privately, so that > > > everyone > > > > > has a fair shot at it. nico(at)cybersuperstore.com > > > > > > > > > > There will be two parts to this competition. The first part consists > > of > > > > > answering the question above. The second part will consist of an > > > > > additional clue and then another answer will be required. > > > > > > > > > > Do not underestimate the clues given here. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/%232/c172.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1176 (20050722) Information __________ > > > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Aero Commander Brochures
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Bert, I have scanned it and can send it to you if you like. Jim A N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bert Berry Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures I must have missed john tower's list... -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:40:07 To: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures WOW!!! Thanks gents! This, and John Towers list are certainly greatest contributions ever made to this list. Thanks, bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > Folks, > Those dated 7/22/2005 have been uploaded today. There is a lot of classic > pictures and articles on the webserver now. I will look into making it > easier to navigate the information. Next week some time. > Enjoy. > Nico > > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20M anuals%20etc/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures > > > >> >> I will try that, thanks. >> Tom >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> >> To: >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander Brochures >> >> >> > >> > Hey Tom, >> > >> > Your Laser printer probably doesn't have enough RAM memory to print it > in >> its >> > current format. You may have to adjust your print quality to get it to >> work. >> > Sorry for the trouble, its the easiest format for me to use. >> > >> > Bert >> > >> > >> >> > > bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Subject: Re: Competition #2
In a message dated 25-Jul-05 11:01:59 Pacific Daylight Time, john(at)vormbaum.com writes: Hmm, I wonder. Assuming that clock is correct and that is the sun shining, it's parked somewhere way way WAY up north! I'll go with Barrow, AK! Not in January, my boy! That would place it in Antarctica ... but why a throttle lock down there? Penguin smugglers? Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Bert, Thanks for sharing your vast collection! Where / when did you start pulling all this together? Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Subject: (no subject)
FYI, I just got the Pilot Report in for the 690, sent it to Nico. So you should see it soon. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 25, 2005
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Brochures
I got a copy, thanks much. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 26, 2005
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Many years ago my father was a Commander Dealer, and I grew up flying in just about all of them. He owned the first 681 Hawk, S/N 6001, and it was a demonstrator, which as you can imagine, came with a lot of brochures, photos and such. So I started the Twin Commander collection with the Hawk stuff I found in some boxes about 10 years ago. Then about 6 or 7 years ago, I began wondering what had happened to all the 1121 Jet Commanders and this is where the collection really sparked my interest. Over the years I've collected just about all of the ads I could put my hands on. I'm sure there are still several hundred that I don't have, but I'll get them one at a time slowly but surely. As luck would have it, one of my fathers pilots and dear friends was a Aero Commander test pilot, so I was able to get a lot of knowledge from him. But it really doesn't mean much to me if I can't share it with some people who really enjoy the collection. But thanks to Nico, everyone has the ability to look at the history of these great airplanes. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Brochures etc
Date: Jul 26, 2005
Hi All, I'd just like to publicly say a big "Thank You" to Bert for gathering all this stuff in for safe-keeping. Over the last couple of years, Bert has been good enough to keep me copied-in with everything he's collected and I think it's really good of him to share it all with us. Capt JimBob has also been collecting similar 'goodies', so we're assured of a growing collection! A friend of mine, Chris Haag, who accompanied me on my last research trip to Twin Commander, digitally photographed a number of Brochures. If there's anything new, I'm sure he won't mind sharing it all. So, to Bert & Jim, "Thanks Guys!" Oh! and thanks too go to Nico for hosting the means of us accessing it all. One question Bert, what was the name of the Aero Commander test pilot you and your father knew? Very Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) | | Many years ago my father was a Commander Dealer, and I grew up flying in just | about all of them. He owned the first 681 Hawk, S/N 6001, and it was a | demonstrator, which as you can imagine, came with a lot of brochures, photos and | such. So I started the Twin Commander collection with the Hawk stuff I found in | some boxes about 10 years ago. Then about 6 or 7 years ago, I began | wondering what had happened to all the 1121 Jet Commanders and this is where the | collection really sparked my interest. Over the years I've collected just about all | of the ads I could put my hands on. I'm sure there are still several hundred | that I don't have, but I'll get them one at a time slowly but surely. | | As luck would have it, one of my fathers pilots and dear friends was a Aero | Commander test pilot, so I was able to get a lot of knowledge from him. | | But it really doesn't mean much to me if I can't share it with some people | who really enjoy the collection. But thanks to Nico, everyone has the ability | to look at the history of these great airplanes. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM
Date: Jul 26, 2005
Subject: Re: Brochures etc
Robert "Bob" Merryman, What a Guy! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Jul 26, 2005
JB At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with water for weight) worse than I did. Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- Just kidding! Moe N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Jul 26, 2005
Moe, The 680fp airframe is still at Hayward, over on the nat'l guard (south) side of the field. I understand from Morris that the empennage sustained some damage in the move but I don't know the details; he can give you a clearer picture of the condition when you fly up. If you're coming Friday, maybe I'll see you out at Morris'. I often fly over for lunch on Fridays. Cheers, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > JB > > At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with water for weight) worse than I did. > > Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- Just kidding! > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: sizzor arm
Hey Gentlemen, I am desparately trying to locate a replacement lower sizzer arm for the nose struct on my 560. The FBO here over-rotated the strut and it is no cracked. If anyone knows someone who might be parting out a 560, please let me know. Also, who knows what other commander models use the same part on there strut? Regards, Daniel --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 337 for cleveland conversion
Hi Don, Would it be possible to get a fax of the Field approval done on your plane? What was the kit# installed; 199-??? I'm trying to submit a 337 to put clevelands on my straight 560. I beleive the kit 199-88 is the correct one. Can you confirm? I appreciate your help. Daniel fax 831.471.9353 Lowell Girod wrote: From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:48:36 -0500 Dan; My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was done. Don > [Original Message] > From: Daniel Stewart > To: > Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM > Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > > Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? > > Thanks, Dan > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: sizzor arm
Date: Jul 27, 2005
Daniel, Try John Towner at Central Air Southwest Airlines in Kansas City. Mo. Kevin Coons -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Stewart Subject: Commander-List: sizzor arm Hey Gentlemen, I am desparately trying to locate a replacement lower sizzer arm for the nose struct on my 560. The FBO here over-rotated the strut and it is no cracked. If anyone knows someone who might be parting out a 560, please let me know. Also, who knows what other commander models use the same part on there strut? Regards, Daniel --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 337 for cleveland conversion
Date: Jul 27, 2005
I need to find it. 199-80 Kit. I have a used set Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Stewart" <dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Commander-List: 337 for cleveland conversion > > > > Hi Don, > > Would it be possible to get a fax of the Field approval done on your > plane? > > What was the kit# installed; 199-??? > > I'm trying to submit a 337 to put clevelands on my straight 560. I beleive > the kit 199-88 is the correct one. Can you confirm? > > I appreciate your help. > > Daniel > > fax 831.471.9353 > > > Lowell Girod wrote: > From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:48:36 -0500 > > > Dan; > > My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not > sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was > done. > > Don > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Daniel Stewart >> To: >> Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM >> Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 >> > >> >> >> Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? > And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? >> >> Thanks, Dan >> > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Jul 27, 2005
John, This would be great. I will get there at about 10:00 AM, and Morris is going to trim my Simmonds Fuel Injection pumps. One of them has about 400 hours on it and the other only has about three hours on it. Morris does such a good job of adjusting them that it is well worth the flight. Hope to see you there, maybe we could do lunch. Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Moe, > > The 680fp airframe is still at Hayward, over on the nat'l guard (south) side > of the field. I understand from Morris that the empennage sustained some > damage in the move but I don't know the details; he can give you a clearer > picture of the condition when you fly up. > > If you're coming Friday, maybe I'll see you out at Morris'. I often fly over > for lunch on Fridays. > > Cheers, > > /John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > JB > > > > At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, > and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling > the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed > mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with > water for weight) worse than I did. > > > > Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about > putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I > take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- > Just kidding! > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > 680F(p) > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Jul 27, 2005
Excellent! I'll know by tomorrow afternoon if my schedule will allow the visit (which it usually does). I will be curious to hear what Morris thinks about the difficulties you've had with the Simmonds pumps, and what he thinks is the proper shutdown procedure... /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > John, > > This would be great. I will get there at about 10:00 AM, and Morris is > going to trim my Simmonds Fuel Injection pumps. One of them has about 400 > hours on it and the other only has about three hours on it. Morris does > such a good job of adjusting them that it is well worth the flight. > > Hope to see you there, maybe we could do lunch. > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > Moe, > > > > The 680fp airframe is still at Hayward, over on the nat'l guard (south) > side > > of the field. I understand from Morris that the empennage sustained some > > damage in the move but I don't know the details; he can give you a clearer > > picture of the condition when you fly up. > > > > If you're coming Friday, maybe I'll see you out at Morris'. I often fly > over > > for lunch on Fridays. > > > > Cheers, > > > > /John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, > > and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling > > the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they > needed > > mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with > > water for weight) worse than I did. > > > > > > Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about > > putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I > > take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- > > Just kidding! > > > > > > Moe > > > N680RR > > > 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1178 (20050726) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1178 (20050726) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Date: Jul 27, 2005
anyone see cover of TRAVEL SMITH mens outfitting guide late summer 05? nice picture from the copilots window of a bright yellow commander over the islands. mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Jul 27, 2005
will stand by for an advisory Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Excellent! I'll know by tomorrow afternoon if my schedule will allow the > visit (which it usually does). > > I will be curious to hear what Morris thinks about the difficulties you've > had with the Simmonds pumps, and what he thinks is the proper shutdown > procedure... > > /J > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > John, > > > > This would be great. I will get there at about 10:00 AM, and Morris is > > going to trim my Simmonds Fuel Injection pumps. One of them has about 400 > > hours on it and the other only has about three hours on it. Morris does > > such a good job of adjusting them that it is well worth the flight. > > > > Hope to see you there, maybe we could do lunch. > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > 680F(p) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > > Moe, > > > > > > The 680fp airframe is still at Hayward, over on the nat'l guard (south) > > side > > > of the field. I understand from Morris that the empennage sustained some > > > damage in the move but I don't know the details; he can give you a > clearer > > > picture of the condition when you fly up. > > > > > > If you're coming Friday, maybe I'll see you out at Morris'. I often fly > > over > > > for lunch on Fridays. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > /John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > > > To: > > > Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have > them, > > > and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for > pulling > > > the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they > > needed > > > mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with > > > water for weight) worse than I did. > > > > > > > > Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about > > > putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I > > > take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the ay? -- > > > Just kidding! > > > > > > > > Moe > > > > N680RR > > > > 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1178 (20050726) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1178 (20050726) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 27, 2005
Subject: Re: Yellow Commander
> > Haven't seen that catalog -- don't know why, I get 10,000 catalogs a week -- but a yellow Commander is probably SVG Air's airplane. Paul and Joanne Gravel are the owners. SVG Air, Caribbean Air Charters and scheduled flights in the Grenadines Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: At the office...
Date: Jul 27, 2005
Oh, just another night in the office. I cannot say 'been there done that." Wish I could, though. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/CarrierLanding/NightTrap.wmv ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: 337 for cleveland conversion
Date: Jul 28, 2005
Looking for a 3-in-1 engine guage in useable condition if anyone might have one. part # 3850031-1 I think... -------------- Original message -------------- > > I need to find it. > 199-80 Kit. > I have a used set > Harry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Stewart" > To: "commander-list" > Subject: Commander-List: 337 for cleveland conversion > > > > > > > > > > Hi Don, > > > > Would it be possible to get a fax of the Field approval done on your > > plane? > > > > What was the kit# installed; 199-??? > > > > I'm trying to submit a 337 to put clevelands on my straight 560. I beleive > > the kit 199-88 is the correct one. Can you confirm? > > > > I appreciate your help. > > > > Daniel > > > > fax 831.471.9353 > > > > > > Lowell Girod wrote: > > From: "Lowell Girod" > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:48:36 -0500 > > > > > > Dan; > > > > My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not > > sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was > > done. > > > > Don > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Daniel Stewart > >> To: > >> Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM > >> Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > >> > > > >> > >> > >> Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? > > And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? > >> > >> Thanks, Dan > >> > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for a 3-in-1 engine guage in useable condition if anyone might have one. part # 3850031-1 I think... -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: "Avtec2" I need to find it. 199-80 Kit. I have a used set Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Stewart" <DSTEWART777777(at)YAHOO.COM> To: "commander-list" Subject: Commander-List: 337 for cleveland conversion -- Commander-List message posted by: Daniel Stewart Hi Don, Would it be possible to get a fax of the Field approval done on your plane? What was the kit# installed; 199-??? I'm trying to submit a 337 to put clevelands on my straight 56 0. I beleive the kit 199-88 is the correct one. Can you confirm? I appreciate your help. Daniel fax 831.471.9353 Lowell Girod wrote: From: "Lowell Girod" <DONGIROD(at)EARTHLINK.NET> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:48:36 -0500 -- Commander-List message posted by: "Lowell Girod" Dan; My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was done. Don [Original Message] From: Daniel Stewart <BR > To: Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 -- Commander-List message posted by: Daniel Stewart Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? Thanks, Dan --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2005
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts
Commander-List Digest Server wrote:* ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-07-26.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-07-26.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/26/05: 5 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: (no subject) (BertBerry1(at)aol.com) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Brochures etc (Barry Collman) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: Brochures etc (BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM) 4. 03:15 PM - Tail Stand and 680F(p) (Moe) 5. 04:36 PM - Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p) (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) Many years ago my father was a Commander Dealer, and I grew up flying in just about all of them. He owned the first 681 Hawk, S/N 6001, and it was a demonstrator, which as you can imagine, came with a lot of brochures, photos and such. So I started the Twin Commander collection with the Hawk stuff I found in some boxes about 10 years ago. Then about 6 or 7 years ago, I began wondering what had happened to all the 1121 Jet Commanders and this is where the collection really sparked my interest. Over the years I've collected just about all of the ads I could put my hands on. I'm sure there are still several hundred that I don't have, but I'll get them one at a time slowly but surely. As luck would have it, one of my fathers pilots and dear friends was a Aero Commander test pilot, so I was able to get a lot of knowledge from him. But it really doesn't mean much to me if I can't share it with some people who really enjoy the collection. But thanks to Nico, everyone has the ability to look at the history of these great airplanes. Bert ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brochures etc Hi All, I'd just like to publicly say a big "Thank You" to Bert for gathering all this stuff in for safe-keeping. Over the last couple of years, Bert has been good enough to keep me copied-in with everything he's collected and I think it's really good of him to share it all with us. Capt JimBob has also been collecting similar 'goodies', so we're assured of a growing collection! A friend of mine, Chris Haag, who accompanied me on my last research trip to Twin Commander, digitally photographed a number of Brochures. If there's anything new, I'm sure he won't mind sharing it all. So, to Bert & Jim, "Thanks Guys!" Oh! and thanks too go to Nico for hosting the means of us accessing it all. One question Bert, what was the name of the Aero Commander test pilot you and your father knew? Very Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) | | Many years ago my father was a Commander Dealer, and I grew up flying in just | about all of them. He owned the first 681 Hawk, S/N 6001, and it was a | demonstrator, which as you can imagine, came with a lot of brochures, photos and | such. So I started the Twin Commander collection with the Hawk stuff I found in | some boxes about 10 years ago. Then about 6 or 7 years ago, I began | wondering what had happened to all the 1121 Jet Commanders and this is where the | collection really sparked my interest. Over the years I've collected just about all | of the ads I could put my hands on. I'm sure there are still several hundred | that I don't have, but I'll get them one at a time slowly but surely. | | As luck would have it, one of my fathers pilots and dear friends was a Aero | Commander test pilot, so I was able to get a lot of knowledge from him. | | But it really doesn't mean much to me if I can't share it with some people | who really enjoy the collection. But thanks to Nico, everyone has the ability | to look at the history of these great airplanes. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brochures etc Robert "Bob" Merryman, What a Guy! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) JB At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with water for weight) worse than I did. Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- Just kidding! Moe N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) Moe, The 680fp airframe is still at Hayward, over on the nat'l guard (south) side of the field. I understand from Morris that the empennage sustained some damage in the move but I don't know the details; he can give you a clearer picture of the condition when you fly up. If you're coming Friday, maybe I'll see you out at Morris'. I often fly over for lunch on Fridays. Cheers, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > JB > > At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with water for weight) worse than I did. > > Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- Just kidding! > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2005
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Parts
I found the flap transmitter (potentiometer) for my 500B at Dodson International (www.dodson.com) for $150 which may seem high but was $309 cheaper than the next place. It fixed the problem. I am looking for a pilot door if anyone knows of one. dan farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-07-26.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-07-26.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/26/05: 5 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: (no subject) (BertBerry1(at)aol.com) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Brochures etc (Barry Collman) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: Brochures etc (BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM) 4. 03:15 PM - Tail Stand and 680F(p) (Moe) 5. 04:36 PM - Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p) (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) Many years ago my father was a Commander Dealer, and I grew up flying in just about all of them. He owned the first 681 Hawk, S/N 6001, and it was a demonstrator, which as you can imagine, came with a lot of brochures, photos and such. So I started the Twin Commander collection with the Hawk stuff I found in some boxes about 10 years ago. Then about 6 or 7 years ago, I began wondering what had happened to all the 1121 Jet Commanders and this is where the collection really sparked my interest. Over the years I've collected just about all of the ads I could put my hands on. I'm sure there are still several hundred that I don't have, but I'll get them one at a time slowly but surely. As luck would have it, one of my fathers pilots and dear friends was a Aero Commander test pilot, so I was able to get a lot of knowledge from him. But it really doesn't mean much to me if I can't share it with some people who really enjoy the collection. But thanks to Nico, everyone has the ability to look at the history of these great airplanes. Bert ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brochures etc Hi All, I'd just like to publicly say a big "Thank You" to Bert for gathering all this stuff in for safe-keeping. Over the last couple of years, Bert has been good enough to keep me copied-in with everything he's collected and I think it's really good of him to share it all with us. Capt JimBob has also been collecting similar 'goodies', so we're assured of a growing collection! A friend of mine, Chris Haag, who accompanied me on my last research trip to Twin Commander, digitally photographed a number of Brochures. If there's anything new, I'm sure he won't mind sharing it all. So, to Bert & Jim, "Thanks Guys!" Oh! and thanks too go to Nico for hosting the means of us accessing it all. One question Bert, what was the name of the Aero Commander test pilot you and your father knew? Very Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) | | Many years ago my father was a Commander Dealer, and I grew up flying in just | about all of them. He owned the first 681 Hawk, S/N 6001, and it was a | demonstrator, which as you can imagine, came with a lot of brochures, photos and | such. So I started the Twin Commander collection with the Hawk stuff I found in | some boxes about 10 years ago. Then about 6 or 7 years ago, I began | wondering what had happened to all the 1121 Jet Commanders and this is where the | collection really sparked my interest. Over the years I've collected just about all | of the ads I could put my hands on. I'm sure there are still several hundred | that I don't have, but I'll get them one at a time slowly but surely. | | As luck would have it, one of my fathers pilots and dear friends was a Aero | Commander test pilot, so I was able to get a lot of knowledge from him. | | But it really doesn't mean much to me if I can't share it with some people | who really enjoy the collection. But thanks to Nico, everyone has the ability | to look at the history of these great airplanes. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: BertBerry1(at)AOL.COM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brochures etc Robert "Bob" Merryman, What a Guy! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) JB At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with water for weight) worse than I did. Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- Just kidding! Moe N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) Moe, The 680fp airframe is still at Hayward, over on the nat'l guard (south) side of the field. I understand from Morris that the empennage sustained some damage in the move but I don't know the details; he can give you a clearer picture of the condition when you fly up. If you're coming Friday, maybe I'll see you out at Morris'. I often fly over for lunch on Fridays. Cheers, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" Subject: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > JB > > At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Do you still have them, and are they the type that were fairly easy to add weight to (for pulling the nose wheel off the ground). It seems that someone felt that they needed mine (a framed 55 gallon barrell with casters which could be filled with water for weight) worse than I did. > > Also, what ever happened to the 680F(p) that you were thinking about putting LS6 engines in? I am flying up to Morris' this Friday. Shall I take my tools and start stripping it or is it still over by the bay? -- Just kidding! > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1177 (20050725) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2005
From: Yanknbank2002 <yanknbank2002(at)yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Commander 1200
Just after some specs on the Commander 1200. There was one built so I believe, but I've never come across any details of the aircraft nor its history. Hoping someone out there can tell me all about it. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander 1200
Date: Jul 28, 2005
Hi, A Model 1200 wasn't actually *built*, but a Model 695A, serial number 96062 was test-flown in Model 1200 configuration. Production was planned, with serial numbers 98001 through 98004 allocated, but they were never built. The 1200 was essentially a Model 695B with TPE331-12-701K engines with have a rating of 900 maximum continuous shp and would have been de-rated to 875shp. Four-bladed Hartzell props were to be used, model HC-D4N-5L and it appears that blades of the type LEP569-5, JD10194B and JD10185B were test-flown. No Type Certificate Data Sheet appears to quote these blades though. 96062 was first flown in August 1983 with TPE331-10-501K engines and the props were shown as Hartzell HC-D4N-5L with "LEP569-5" blades. It did not have the TPE331-12-701K engines installed until April 1984, with blades quoted as "JD10194B" and in October 1984 they were shown as JD10185B. By the time it was converted to a Model 695B in June 1986, it had accrued some 265 hours. 96062 is currently owned by the State of Virginia, having been purchased in July 1986, shortly after conversion to 695B. Regards, Barry Collman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yanknbank2002" <yanknbank2002(at)yahoo.com.au> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 1200 | | Just after some specs on the Commander 1200. There was one built so I believe, but I've never come across any details of the aircraft nor its history. | Hoping someone out there can tell me all about it. | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)AOL.COM
Date: Jul 30, 2005
Subject: Re: sizzor arm
In a message dated 7/27/2005 1:47:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com writes: I am desparately trying to locate a replacement lower sizzer arm for the nose struct on my 560. I think the Navion Sociality sells them. The nose wheel assembly is reported to be identical. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2005
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: sizzor arm
-----Original Message----- From: YOURTCFG(at)AOL.COM I think the Navion Sociality sells them. The nose wheel assembly is reported to be identical. jb >>>> It's true that the AeroCommander 520 had the same nose gear assembly as the Navion, but I don't know if that's true of the 560. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 30, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: sizzor arm
Don't think that's correct. The 520 used an entire Navion nose strut assembly (even had a Navion data plate on it), but the 560 (or some late 520 s/n??) recived a new and sturdier design that's all Commander... FYI, in prior dealing with the Navion group, they were not to excited about sharing parts with non-Navion owners. That's from some years ago so your mileage may vary. chris YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/27/2005 1:47:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com writes: > > I am desparately trying to locate a replacement lower sizzer arm for the > nose struct on my 560. > > > I think the Navion Sociality sells them. The nose wheel assembly is > reported to be identical. jb > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Back from Oshkosh
Date: Aug 01, 2005
Hello everyone in Commanderland..!! Got back into SBP yesterday afternoon, after a delightful flight from OSH, with stops in OMA, PUB, and PGA. The flight from PUB to PGA over the Rockies & Lake Powell was spectacular...beautiful mountains, valleys, rivers, lakes...wow..!! Oshkosh was tremendous fun...as usual. Saw three other Commanders - two 520's and George Yundt's 685 (gorgeous..!!) When we landed at PUB, there were 3 500B's on the ramp (forest service planes)...my 680F made for a great line-up of Commanders. The big attraction at OSH was the White Knight and Space Ship One...they did three fly-bys and then parked in Aeroshell Plaza for the entire week. What an amazing aircraft...and spaceship. Wish I could have seen some of you at the show...and a few more Commanders. Happy flying..!!! Randy Dettmer 680F / N6253X ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Selling My 500B
Date: Aug 01, 2005
I have thought long and hard about it, but I am seriously considering selling my 500B. Since I moved from California back to Montana three years ago, my income has been reduced drastically. Being "semi retired," it is becoming more difficult to justify keeping this wonderful airplane with its relative high operating expense. As many of you know, it was recently converted with the "Merlyn 320 Shrike" modification. This included an extensive list of new engine accessory components as well as the new TIO540AE2A(MC) engines. I have also put a lot of money in the panel. A good annual was just completed where I replaced both brake discs and all 16 brake pads (Cleveland double pucks). Mechanically, it is in excellent condition and is a great performer. Honestly, it still needs paint (presently about a 5 of 10 - looks good until close) and new upholstery (good enough condition, but faded and dated). It has all of the Shrike mods too but no pilot door. I have over $375K invested in its purchase price and capital improvements alone. I really don't know what price I should ask for it or what I could realistically expect to get. If anyone here is potentially interested, e-mail me off list and I will send you a good list of all the modifications that it has. Thanks, Larry Wokral ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "William Boelte" <n55bz@cox-internet.com>
Subject: Selling My 500B
Date: Aug 01, 2005
Larry, I sold my 500B in 2002 and have regretted it almost every day. I have a Stearman and 2 C-180's and both of those aircraft make me realize just how special the Commander is. I hope you can manage to find a way to keep it. Kindest regards, Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wokral Subject: Commander-List: Selling My 500B I have thought long and hard about it, but I am seriously considering selling my 500B. Since I moved from California back to Montana three years ago, my income has been reduced drastically. Being "semi retired," it is becoming more difficult to justify keeping this wonderful airplane with its relative high operating expense. As many of you know, it was recently converted with the "Merlyn 320 Shrike" modification. This included an extensive list of new engine accessory components as well as the new TIO540AE2A(MC) engines. I have also put a lot of money in the panel. A good annual was just completed where I replaced both brake discs and all 16 brake pads (Cleveland double pucks). Mechanically, it is in excellent condition and is a great performer. Honestly, it still needs paint (presently about a 5 of 10 - looks good until close) and new upholstery (good enough condition, but faded and dated). It has all of the Shrike mods too but no pilot door. I have over $375K invested in its purchase price and capital improvements alone. I really don't know what price I should ask for it or what I could realistically expect to get. If anyone here is potentially interested, e-mail me off list and I will send you a good list of all the modifications that it has. Thanks, Larry Wokral ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: My summer trip, so far...
Date: Aug 02, 2005
Quick reminder for anyone who wants to share vicariously - stops on this summer trip so far include HND [Nevada], 1N1 [New Mexico], LBL [Kansas], DSM [Iowa], UES [Wisconsin], PWK [Illinois], LSE [Wisonsin] and today BKL [Ohio] and 7G0 [New York]. Details at: http://akucheck.squarespace.com/journal/ Full itinerary is in the very first entry - scroll down. If I only didn't have to work... ...oh yeah - that's what pays for this. ak ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2005
Subject: Re: My summer trip, so far...
In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:47:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, akucheck(at)hotmail.com writes: ak COOL!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2005
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
In a message dated 7/26/2005 3:16:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, moe(at)rosspistons.com writes: At one time you had some tail stands for sale. Sorry Moe, No. I sold them as tow bars but dont have a good source for the manufacture of them any more. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2005
Subject: COMMANDERS OF THE CARIBEAN
HI KIDS. Just got back from delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B (S/N1) from San Juan to John Towner in KC. I stopped at Stella Maris resort for fuel and go weathered in. Yep, weathered in the the Bahamas!! (Try telling you wife that!!). Anyway, had a great night there and saw N175AC, another 500B (with A/C) operated by the resort. It is in really nice shape. Then to Opa Locka to clear customs. Then to Boca Raton to deliver Jimmies life raft for re certification and on to KC. Had a GREAT trip. The air conditioning and auto pilot worked great! Good to be home. Triple two is do for her annual this month, 90C inspection, new oil cells. All the registration forms for the fly-in are in the mail. If you want to attend and dont receive one in the next few days, let me know. It will be a great time. It is always a blast!! Richard and Jackie Thompson from Australia will be riding up with Sue and I. The long promised vendor list is now complete and will be sent to TCFG Members. Sue has worked hard on this and it includes some great information. We used John Towners list as a foundation and build from there using input members. We will update it at least once each year so if you have a good (or bad) experience, let me know. Hope all is well in your "Commanderland" jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: COMMANDERS OF THE CARIBEAN
Date: Aug 02, 2005
JB Yeah, the wheathered-in story in the Bahamas would be a classic. With my luck I'd get wheathered in at a place like Lonely Gulch in a desert somewhere. Please send registration forms for flyin. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDERS OF THE CARIBEAN > > HI KIDS. > > Just got back from delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B (S/N1) from San > Juan to John Towner in KC. I stopped at Stella Maris resort for fuel and go > weathered in. Yep, weathered in the the Bahamas!! (Try telling you wife > that!!). Anyway, had a great night there and saw N175AC, another 500B (with A/C) > operated by the resort. It is in really nice shape. > Then to Opa Locka to clear customs. Then to Boca Raton to deliver > Jimmies life raft for re certification and on to KC. > Had a GREAT trip. The air conditioning and auto pilot worked great! > Good to be home. Triple two is do for her annual this month, 90C inspection, > new oil cells. > All the registration forms for the fly-in are in the mail. If you want > to attend and dont receive one in the next few days, let me know. It will be > a great time. It is always a blast!! Richard and Jackie Thompson from > Australia will be riding up with Sue and I. > The long promised vendor list is now complete and will be sent to TCFG > Members. Sue has worked hard on this and it includes some great information. > We used John Towners list as a foundation and build from there using input > members. We will update it at least once each year so if you have a good (or > bad) experience, let me know. > Hope all is well in your "Commanderland" jb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 02, 2005
Subject: Re: COMMANDERS OF THE CARIBEAN
In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:31:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: like Lonely Gulch in a desert somewhere. I think I have been there!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: RE: 500B
Date: Aug 02, 2005
>Larry, I sold my 500B in 2002 and have regretted it almost every day. I have a Stearman and 2 C-180's and both of those aircraft make me realize just how special the Commander is. I hope you can manage to find a way to keep it. Kindest regards, Bill> Thanks for the thought Bill. Interesting; it is a C180 or C185 that I figured I'd move down to from the 500B if I do sell it. Larry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: COMMANDER560(at)cs.com
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve>
Subject: Emergency Gear actuator
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Hifriends: I am looking for part number ES12529 which is the actuator on my 680F for the left gear. Mine has gone to rest. Any leads you can provide I will appreciate. Thanks!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Joe, Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I can lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Emergency Gear actuator
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Ricardo, Try Jack Chappell in Riverside, CA (951) 371.7513 as he has a very good selection of used Commander parts. Regards, Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> Subject: Commander-List: Emergency Gear actuator > > Hifriends: > > > I am looking for part number ES12529 which is the actuator on my 680F for > the left gear. Mine has gone to rest. Any leads you can provide I will > appreciate. Thanks!!! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Subject: TURBO COMMANDER
If anyone is interested, I just sent Nico two 1965 articles on Turbo Commanders. Both came from FLIGHT MAGAZINE. Enjoy, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Subject: (no subject)
Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: TURBO COMMANDER
Date: Aug 03, 2005
OK, I have them all uploaded now. The latest ones have been uploaded under the folder _8-3-2005. Enjoy. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/_8-3-2005/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: TURBO COMMANDER > > If anyone is interested, I just sent Nico two 1965 articles on Turbo > Commanders. Both came from FLIGHT MAGAZINE. > > Enjoy, > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Bert, My entire lifetime collection consisted of one ad that I bought at Oshkosh a few years ago, and you already have it loaded...sorry... Again, thanks to you and Nico for posting these. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: (no subject) > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping someone else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Subject: Sonoma Valley Airport
Found this photo of what is described as an "Scrapped" Aero Commander, just wondering if anyone here knows which one this is. http://www.napanet.net/~arbeau/usaah/saa6b.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 03, 2005
bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping someone >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 03, 2005
Moe, When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete in to add the weight. It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. http://aircraftjacks.com/ It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the tail. Worked well. Tylor Hall -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) Joe, Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I can lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sonoma Valley Airport
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Hi, I don't know which one it is, but it's certainly a Model 520. Can anyone help? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport | | Found this photo of what is described as an "Scrapped" Aero Commander, just | wondering if anyone here knows which one this is. | | http://www.napanet.net/~arbeau/usaah/saa6b.htm | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Subject: Re: Sonoma Valley Airport
According to the gentlemen that set up the website and took the picture, he said he never knew the N number, but he thinks 520-16. But it was only a guess. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sonoma Valley Airport
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Hi, Nope, no cigar, not s/n 16. This used to be over here in England, but was destroyed by fire at Fairoaks airport on August 14th 1969. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sonoma Valley Airport | | According to the gentlemen that set up the website and took the picture, he | said he never knew the N number, but he thinks 520-16. But it was only a guess. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Falling woman
Date: Aug 04, 2005
If she gets stuck, drag her out of trouble with the mouse. http://www.izpitera.ru/lj/tetka.swf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Mason, I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy machine. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping someone > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Tylor, Thanks for the tip. The one which someone stold from me was similar. I had used a barrel that could be filled with water. This way it was light enough to be loaded in my bus by myself. Also, it could be attached to the tail empty by one person, filled with water and it would pull the front off the ground. It's just that I am a pretty busy boy right now and I don't have the time to fabricate one, and our tool and die maker just retired. Thought someone might have something trick for sale. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Moe, > When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete > in to add the weight. > It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin > Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. > http://aircraftjacks.com/ > It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the > tail. Worked well. > > Tylor Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > Joe, > > Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I can > lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Subject: 520 Commander at Sonoma County
Well Barry, I made some phone calls and found out that it WAS N4117B S/N 520-18. According to a gentlemen there who was very helpful, the airplane was damaged heavily in a thunderstorm several years ago. He told me that the previous owner sold it to Michael Wright and that Mr. Wright got tired of paying ramp fees for it and cut it up with a saw and hauled it off. So you can mark that one down as being gone. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) Mason, I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy machine. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping someone > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 520 Commander at Sonoma County
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Hi Bert, Well done! That's really good of you to track that info down. My database shows that Michael Wright scrapped s/n 18, but as his address was in Mechanicsville, Virginia, I didn't figure this was the same plane. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: 520 Commander at Sonoma County | | Well Barry, | | I made some phone calls and found out that it WAS N4117B S/N 520-18. | According to a gentlemen there who was very helpful, the airplane was damaged heavily | in a thunderstorm several years ago. He told me that the previous owner sold | it to Michael Wright and that Mr. Wright got tired of paying ramp fees for it | and cut it up with a saw and hauled it off. | | So you can mark that one down as being gone. | | Bert | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
put one what on board and give it to me? Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > Mason, > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy machine. > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to TCFG > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > BertBerry1(at)aol.com > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > someone > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > > >put one what on board and give it to me? > >Moe >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >> > > > > Mason, > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy >machine. > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> > > To: >> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >> > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to >TCFG > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > > >Reply-To: >commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > >To: >commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > >BertBerry1(at)aol.com > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > > someone > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Mason, Hate to be pickey, but is it a color machine? Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason > > > >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > > > > > >put one what on board and give it to me? > > > >Moe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> > >To: > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> > > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mason, > > > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy > >machine. > > > > > > Moe > > > N680RR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> > > > To: > >> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to > >TCFG > > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > > > > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > > > >Reply-To: > >commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > >To: > >commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > > >BertBerry1(at)aol.com > > > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > > > someone > > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)AOL.COM
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Subject: Re: (no subject)
In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes: Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? Yep, me. I have about 50. Plus, I have several brochures, ash trays and even a couple of old phono graph records with a "sales pitch" on why YOU should buy a Commander. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Subject: Re: (no subject)
In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes: Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? Yep, that is me. I have about 50 ads. Plus, I have several brochures and even a couple of old phono records with a "sales pitch" on why YOU should buy a Commander. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
> In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes: > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? You've made me think Bert.... I have a full set of service manuals for all piston Commanders as well as Maint manuals - pristine condition, up to date, purchased new from TCAC. Also have all SB's, SL's, "Custom Kits" books, many ads, brochures, owners manuals, POH's, Commander training manuals, Commander card decks, cig lighters, and boxes of other stuff. Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Speaking of service manuals, I am in need of a Manual for the GO480B engine, if anyone has one? Dan Chris Schuermann wrote: > In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes: > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? You've made me think Bert.... I have a full set of service manuals for all piston Commanders as well as Maint manuals - pristine condition, up to date, purchased new from TCAC. Also have all SB's, SL's, "Custom Kits" books, many ads, brochures, owners manuals, POH's, Commander training manuals, Commander card decks, cig lighters, and boxes of other stuff. Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Daniel Stewart wrote: > > Speaking of service manuals, I am in need of a Manual for the GO480B engine, if anyone has one? Dan, I've already parted with my 480 manuals (still have 435 stuff tho). I seem to recall that Essco is where I got them. You might check - they have TONS of manuals. chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2005
9 Chris, I have your gas money in my pocket. Let me know what you have and we can make it happen. Bert -----Original Message----- From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:10:49 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes: > > Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? You've made me think Bert.... I have a full set of service manuals for all piston Commanders as well as Maint manuals - pristine condition, up to date, purchased new from TCAC. Also have all SB's, SL's, "Custom Kits" books, many ads, brochures, owners manuals, POH's, Commander training manuals, Commander card decks, cig lighters, and boxes of other stuff. Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: (no subject)
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 05, 2005
I can send you a copy of what I have doubles of and we could trade. Let me know if your interested. Really don't want to sell this stuff. Bert -----Original Message----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:00:28 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) In a message dated 8/3/2005 1:21:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes: Don't we have someone else on the list that collects Commander Ads? Yep, me. I have about 50. Plus, I have several brochures, ash trays and even a couple of old phono graph records with a "sales pitch" on why YOU should buy a Commander. jb bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net>
Subject: no more Commanders
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Chris, why no more Commanders? (Besides flying the twin Piper-which you could trade). Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schuermann To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) ..............Since I don't see myself buying another Commander, I should gather this stuff all up, inventory it, and see if anyone wants it. Might buy me some avgas. chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 04, 2005
Moe, Sounds like you have the solution. A 30-gallon drum will weight about 240Lbs of water. Tie it to your tail with a rope and start filling it. Stop when the nose wheel comes off the ground. Soap is sold in the plastic 30 gallon drums. 55 gallon drum would work. Put it on it's side and start filling it with water. Tylor Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) Tylor, Thanks for the tip. The one which someone stold from me was similar. I had used a barrel that could be filled with water. This way it was light enough to be loaded in my bus by myself. Also, it could be attached to the tail empty by one person, filled with water and it would pull the front off the ground. It's just that I am a pretty busy boy right now and I don't have the time to fabricate one, and our tool and die maker just retired. Thought someone might have something trick for sale. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Moe, > When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete > in to add the weight. > It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin > Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. > http://aircraftjacks.com/ > It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the > tail. Worked well. > > Tylor Hall > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > Joe, > > Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I can > lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 05, 2005
mm, what ever color you want just as long as its black and white. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) Mason, Hate to be pickey, but is it a color machine? Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason > > > >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > > > > > >put one what on board and give it to me? > > > >Moe > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>> > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > >> > > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> > > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Mason, > > > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy > >machine. > > > > > > Moe > > > N680RR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>>> > > > To: > >>> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to > >TCFG > > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > > > > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com<mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com>> > > > > >Reply-To: > >commander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > >To: > >commander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > > >BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was hoping > > > someone > > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 05, 2005
Tyler, A 55 gallon drum works great, however, it will not fit through the door on my bus (too large in dia.). Problem with using a rope is that it doesn't work when you stand on the horizontal stabilizer (the rope will bend). This is the reason that we used the barrel with two pieces of tubing. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Moe, > Sounds like you have the solution. > A 30-gallon drum will weight about 240Lbs of water. > Tie it to your tail with a rope and start filling it. Stop when the nose > wheel comes off the ground. > Soap is sold in the plastic 30 gallon drums. 55 gallon drum would work. > Put it on it's side and start filling it with water. > > Tylor > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > Tylor, > > Thanks for the tip. The one which someone stold from me was similar. I had > used a barrel that could be filled with water. This way it was light enough > to be loaded in my bus by myself. Also, it could be attached to the tail > empty by one person, filled with water and it would pull the front off the > ground. It's just that I am a pretty busy boy right now and I don't have > the time to fabricate one, and our tool and die maker just retired. Thought > someone might have something trick for sale. > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > Moe, > > When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete > > in to add the weight. > > It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin > > Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. > > http://aircraftjacks.com/ > > It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the > > tail. Worked well. > > > > Tylor Hall > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > Joe, > > > > Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I > can > > lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 05, 2005
Mason (and everyone else): I will bring a color photo copier to the Fly In so if anyone wants to bring some stuff to be copied we can do it. Sorry, Mason, I always thought that Mr. Sloan was more nearly correct that was Mr. Ford. Regards, Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > mm, what ever color you want just as long as its black and white. mason > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > Mason, > > Hate to be pickey, but is it a color machine? > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason > > > > > > >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> > > >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >put one what on board and give it to me? > > > > > >Moe > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>> > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Moe> > > > > To: > commander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > Mason, > > > > > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the prowl for > > > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo copy > > >machine. > > > > > > > > Moe > > > > N680RR > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" >> > > > > To: > > >>> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, etc to > > >TCFG > > > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. mason > > > > > > > > > > >From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > > > > >Reply-To: > > >commander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > >To: > > >commander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > > > > >BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was > hoping > > > > someone > > > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date: Aug 05, 2005
mm, sorry i missed that one. mason >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) >Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 06:04:44 -0700 > > >Mason (and everyone else): > >I will bring a color photo copier to the Fly In so if anyone wants to bring >some stuff to be copied we can do it. Sorry, Mason, I always thought that >Mr. Sloan was more nearly correct that was Mr. Ford. > >Regards, > >Moe >N680RR >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > mm, what ever color you want just as long as its black and white. mason > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Moe<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >> > > > > Mason, > > > > Hate to be pickey, but is it a color machine? > > > > Moe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>> > > To: >> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > >> > > > > > > mm, the photo copy machine you requested. mason > > > > > > > > > >From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> > > > >Reply-To: >commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > >To: >> > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:29:23 -0700 > > > > >> > > > > > > > >put one what on board and give it to me? > > > > > > > >Moe > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>> > > > >To: >> > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > mm, I will put one on board and give it to you . mason > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: >Moe> > > > > > To: > > >commander-list(at)matronics.comander-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:39 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > Mason, > > > > > > > > > > I think this is an excellent idea. As always, I am on the >prowl >for > > > > > technical information. Maybe someone could bring a good photo >copy > > > >machine. > > > > > > > > > > Moe > > > > > N680RR > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "MASON Chevaillier" >n.com>>> > > > > > To: > > > > >mmander-list(at)matronics.com>> > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >sn.com>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > bb, etc., we should all bring all of the ad s litrature, >etc >to > > > >TCFG > > > > > > meeting in ca and swap, copy, etc to our hearts content. >mason > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: >BertBerry1(at)aol.como:BertBerry1(at)aol.com>> > > > > > > >Reply-To: > > > > >commander-list(at)matronics.commander-list(at)matronics.com>> > > > > > > >To: > > > > >commander-list(at)matronics.commander-list(at)matronics.com>> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Commander-List: (no subject) > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:45:32 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >BertBerry1(at)aol.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank You Moe, I really enjoy sharing these things. I was > > hoping > > > > > someone > > > > > > >else had a bunch so we could trade whatever doubles we >have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 05, 2005
TCFG, I will speak when I should be listening but a friend of mine, that helped me with keeping N444BD in the air, took a come-along and removed the hook from the cable end and put a bolt through it. We drilled a hole in the tail skid the same size as the bolt. We hook the other end on the bumper of the truck, on a tug, the last time we hooked on a heavy work bench. Been doing this for over 20 years with no problems so far. You can pull the nose off the ground with out having to jack the plane up if you only want to work on the nose. I use the same hole for my tail stand that was made from two pieces of conduit and a large washer and is adjustable. We made this after the tail was slammed down because of snow on the horizontal stab. I made a metal frame for a 55 gal drum, put wheels on it and put a wooden cradle in the frame and chained the drum to the frame. I cut a hole in the drum welled a pipe in the hole, water tight, aliened the bung holes so the small hole was on the bottom and put a valve in it for draining then put a smaller pipe in with adjusting holes and attached it to the tail skid. The come along has worked better though, especially after some liked my drum better than me. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) Tyler, A 55 gallon drum works great, however, it will not fit through the door on my bus (too large in dia.). Problem with using a rope is that it doesn't work when you stand on the horizontal stabilizer (the rope will bend). This is the reason that we used the barrel with two pieces of tubing. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Moe, > Sounds like you have the solution. > A 30-gallon drum will weight about 240Lbs of water. > Tie it to your tail with a rope and start filling it. Stop when the nose > wheel comes off the ground. > Soap is sold in the plastic 30 gallon drums. 55 gallon drum would work. > Put it on it's side and start filling it with water. > > Tylor > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > Tylor, > > Thanks for the tip. The one which someone stold from me was similar. I had > used a barrel that could be filled with water. This way it was light enough > to be loaded in my bus by myself. Also, it could be attached to the tail > empty by one person, filled with water and it would pull the front off the > ground. It's just that I am a pretty busy boy right now and I don't have > the time to fabricate one, and our tool and die maker just retired. Thought > someone might have something trick for sale. > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > Moe, > > When I had the FBO, I purchased a weighted tail stand that we put concrete > > in to add the weight. > > It would hold the tail down when we jacked up the wings. Worked on Twin > > Commanders, 210, and Bonanzas. > > http://aircraftjacks.com/ > > It was a galvanized tub with wheels and an adjustable connection to the > > tail. Worked well. > > > > Tylor Hall > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Moe > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > Joe, > > > > Is it the kind that weight can be added to relatively easily, so that I > can > > lift the front wheel up off the ground to change the front tire? > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > > > > > > > > > JB, I have a tail stand , Joe Shepherd > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Still looking for props
Date: Aug 05, 2005
From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
All- Well, N2760B in Delaware is complete except for props and a paint job! Still looking for a good/serviceable set of hubs and blades for a 560A - all prior leads have fallen through. Originals were the HC83x20-2C hubs with the 8433 blades for the GO 480-D1A engines. Still have the 480-D1A engines, but willing to consider any option (if any) that has been STC'd for this plane/engine combo. Also willing to buy hubs and blades separate if needed. Let me know if anyone has a lead. Want to exhaust all possibilities before having to buy new - yikes! Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Still looking for props
Date: Aug 05, 2005
How many blades ? How many Hubs How Many Clamps Do you need two Complete props? Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Subject: Commander-List: Still looking for props > > > All- > > Well, N2760B in Delaware is complete except for props and a paint job! > > Still looking for a good/serviceable set of hubs and blades for a 560A - > all prior leads have fallen through. > > Originals were the HC83x20-2C hubs with the 8433 blades for the GO > 480-D1A engines. Still have the 480-D1A engines, but willing to > consider any option (if any) that has been STC'd for this plane/engine > combo. > > Also willing to buy hubs and blades separate if needed. > > Let me know if anyone has a lead. Want to exhaust all possibilities > before having to buy new - yikes! > > Matt > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 05, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart777777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Still looking for props
Matt, I still have the 2 complete prop part sets that we discussed a few months ago. I have hubs, blades and clamps (not MV modified). The blades are green tagged as servicable and have sufficient shank matterial for the modification. I am not even sure if the MV mod is absolutely required??? The clamps and hubs are untagged. Daniel "Matthew J. Hawkins" wrote: All- Well, N2760B in Delaware is complete except for props and a paint job! Still looking for a good/serviceable set of hubs and blades for a 560A - all prior leads have fallen through. Originals were the HC83x20-2C hubs with the 8433 blades for the GO 480-D1A engines. Still have the 480-D1A engines, but willing to consider any option (if any) that has been STC'd for this plane/engine combo. Also willing to buy hubs and blades separate if needed. Let me know if anyone has a lead. Want to exhaust all possibilities before having to buy new - yikes! Matt ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 06, 2005
Subject: Re: Still looking for props
Hi Matt I have two props for the GSO 480s. One is 0 time overhauled and complete with 9333C blades which are longer. The second prop has overhauled clamps and a servicable hub. It only has one blade. and is unassembled. They are both availiable. i could not find any decent blades to make up the second prop so took them off and fitted a pair of Queen Air props. At the moment the props are just getting in the way. Regards Richard ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Competition #2 Solution
Date: Aug 06, 2005
Folks, Here is the solution to competition #2, "Where is this Cessna Parked?" Enjoy and thank you to those who participated. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/competition/competition2/Competition2_solution.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 06, 2005
Subject: Re: Competition #2 Solution
That was terrific ... except you kept us in suspense a little too long. Can't wait for the next one, Nico! Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Pilots Never Change
Date: Aug 06, 2005
Got this from a pilot friend. Don CEO of the Cockpit #47: Pilots Have Never Changed July 31, 2005 By Kevin Garrison, Columnist Sure, we've heard it all before: What with ''cockpit resource management'' and deregulation, being an airline pilot today is nothing like it was 50 years ago. Wrong. AVweb's CEO of the Cockpit just watched two flying films from the 1950s and he saw himself and his friends in them. Flying airliners has changed quite a bit during the past 50 years but the pilots have remained the same. They always appear to be dependable, clean-cut and boringly similar on their surfaces, but they possess traits that the flying public doesn't detect. These personality traits aren't just limited to airline pilots, although with the amount of time they fly they get a better chance of displaying them than an F-18 driver. All pilots, especially professional ones, have to have a certain "something" to survive in the sky for an entire career. Because I am a long-term, multi-engine people hauler, I am best qualified to talk about airline pilots. Twenty-seven years of watching them perform within a few inches of me under every kind of circumstance has shown me their inner strengths as well as their foibles. Why did my muddled mind suddenly start reminiscing about the guys and gals I've flown with? An enforced stay on my living room couch and two cable-conveyed movies. "Island in the Sky" and "The High and the Mighty" were on my tube the other night, and in between pain-pill doses I managed to both watch and Tivo them. Today, both films are looked on as sort of a joke by the general public. A parody of "The High and the Mighty" called "Airplane!" has become more popular than the movie it goofed. "Island in the Sky" is less well-known but shows airline pilots for what they really were and are in a much clearer way. There isn't a single airline pilot that I've known who hasn't shown at least a dozen traits shown by the characters in this movie. John Wayne starred in both pictures. He has had a reputation over the years of not being such a good actor but he nailed the attitude of a pilot in both flicks. Some Men Are Islands Lost in an arctic wilderness with dwindling food, fuel and hope, Wayne's crew has to wait it out while their friends spend days and nights on long-range search missions. Two of the pilots looking for Wayne's crew have been copied at one time or other by every professional pilot I've ever known. One, a young co-pilot, spends most of the movie in the co-pilot seat napping. When awakened by whatever crisis has come up he always answers with, "Whatever is customary ..." We have been using that line ever since. I can't remember how many times something like this has come up over my career: Flight Engineer: Hey, Captain ... the auto pressurization just failed. Do you want me to work it in standby? Me: Whatever is customary ... Another character, a captain named Moon played by Andy Divine, is the kind of flier every potential captain wants to be. Totally relaxed -- almost comatose -- during every flight, his favorite line was, "Everybody relax now -- just take it easy!" He was so laid-back in the movie that he actually had a little metal wand he would pull out of his jacket to move switches on the overhead so he wouldn't have to exert himself too much. I never flew with a guy that had that kind of wand, but when I was an engineer I flew with more than one captain who had a radio-antenna pointer he would tap various switches with to get me to move them. Other guys would be so lazy that they could move the OBS on their nav displays with their foot without moving their magazine or newspaper. I can't tell you how many times during my career I've heard his words from various captains, co-pilots and even myself -- "Now, lets not get excited" --when we heard an unusual noise, smelled smoke, hit severe turbulence or found ourselves sitting in a suddenly dark cockpit. Taking a deep breath and a little time before doing something fast and stupid is the hallmark of a good airline pilot. I have to admit that when it comes to coolness and calm I wasn't half as good at it as most of my crewmates. I can remember one time in particular when I was a DC-8 engineer and we had a homesick Cuban in the back saying he had a gun. My voice on the company radio when I was reporting the problem most likely didn't have the deep timbre I would expect of a cool pilot. Leisure Suits One captain I flew with out of Chicago was so senior and laid-back some of our conversations as we taxied out when I flew co-pilot for him actually went like this: Him: Kevin, where are we going today? Me: Boss, we go the inner, the wedge to the outer, then to two-seven right. Him: No, I mean, where the Hell are we going today? Me: Oh, Fort Lauderdale! Him: OK, whatever is customary ... You might think based on that conversation that I was flying with a total idiot and buffoon. Nothing could be more wrong. I never flew with a better "stick" than that captain. He literally made the 727 sing. He was an outstanding pilot, leader and friend. I guess after the first 500 times you fly from ORD to FLL it all blends in together. Another great saying he gave me has never appeared in any movie but was great advice nonetheless. Once when I was flying co-pilot for him the ride was much rougher than normal and no matter how many altitudes and other strategies I tried I couldn't find a smooth ride to save my ass. "Well," he said, "there is one true thing you can always say about turbulence ... It'll either get better, get worse, or stay about the same." A Heart of Steel One of the reasons people think that pilots tend to be self-centered egocentric jerks is because we are. Scratch a good professional pilot and you'll uncover a person that has more than a little faith in their abilities and skills. Professionally, these skills are, from time to time, called upon to literally save the lives of hundreds of people. Misjudge that quarterly report as a CPA and you are in big trouble. Misjudge that level five thunderstorm as a captain and you and your people are dead. Pilots face a problem when it comes to dismissing the notion that they are jerks: When dealing with non-flying people, there is really no common frame of reference for them to use to communicate. For example, one of the most commonly asked questions I've gotten over the years from non flying people is, "So, when was a time you were most scared in an airplane?" Another one I got recently was, "Have you ever crashed and killed anybody?" The first question is merely foolish and common. The second one made me want to punch the guy. I've been lucky enough not to have ever hurt anyone with an airplane; but imagine a person wanting to be entertained by a story where someone got hurt or killed. Both questions are stupid and out of touch with reality because of something very important about pilots that the general public doesn't know: Pilots aren't scared of dying. They are scared of messing up. It is OK to die in a crash if you've done everything right. If you screw it up and crash, killing your people, there is nothing worse. Or in the words of another airline pilot I've idolized over the years: "It is better to die than to look bad." Some Are Not So Mighty The only movie I've ever seen that addressed pilot fear properly was "The High and the Mighty." Most co-pilots remember that one as the movie where the first officer, played by John Wayne, gets to slap the living bejeezus out of the captain, who is played by Robert Stack. The "High and the Mighty" probably isn't the best film to show CRM techniques but it did clearly show the CRM concept of "narrow focus." The captain was so focused on ditching he refused to consider other alternatives or input from his crew. In their engine-out emergency, Stack froze up and was more than a little uptight but regained his composure, thanks to a little slapping around by the Duke, just in time to save everyone. The story highlighted those nagging little fears that only a captain can have halfway over an ocean. Trust me, I've heard more noises over 30W in a 777 and had more doubts about sustained, single-engine flight over water there than I'd ever care to admit. In the movie, the first time John Wayne hears and feels a weird vibration is the most telling part of the story. We've all been there a thousand times and it almost always turns out to be nothing. Almost ... Both movies were based on books by the great Ernest K. Gann. He was an experienced pilot from the old days who went on to a great Hollywood career and a quiet retirement in the Pacific Northwest that ended with his death at the ripe old age of 81. My only personal brush with Gann was a short phone conversation we had years ago when he had the foresight and the grace to turn down a request from me for a magazine interview. His career was over, he said. He just wanted to be left alone. That was the coolest thing I ever heard him say. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Competition #2 Solution
Date: Aug 06, 2005
The suspense wasn't dragged out on purpose. Work pressure held me at bay. Thanks for the kind words. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 Solution > > That was terrific ... except you kept us in suspense a little too long. > > Can't wait for the next one, Nico! > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Competition #2 Solution
Date: Aug 06, 2005
Sorry, Keith. I didn't mean to sound stern. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 Solution > > The suspense wasn't dragged out on purpose. Work pressure held me at bay. > Thanks for the kind words. > Nico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Competition #2 Solution > > > > > > That was terrific ... except you kept us in suspense a little too long. > > > > Can't wait for the next one, Nico! > > > > Wing Commander Gordon > > > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Pilots Never Change
Date: Aug 06, 2005
This is the kind of story I would like to collect. There must be a myriad of pilot experiences and impressions that we can preserve. Many more were lost forever because nobody cared to spend a bit of time recording them. I want to invite y'all to sit down at your computer and write down your experiences, even if they sound mundane to you, and send them to me. I will put them up on the website. Going through one's logbook is usually a very good memory jerker. If you keep them short and every story separate, the flow would be manageable. Bob Hoover's book and Brian Shul's Sled Driver, are excellent examples of pilot experiences and we can also compile a collection of aviation stories from our listers. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Commander-List: Pilots Never Change > > Got this from a pilot friend. > > Don > > > CEO of the Cockpit #47: Pilots Have Never Changed > July 31, 2005 > By Kevin Garrison, > Columnist > > Sure, we've heard it all before: What with ''cockpit resource management'' and deregulation, being an airline pilot today is nothing like it was 50 years ago. Wrong. AVweb's CEO of the Cockpit just watched two flying films from the 1950s and he saw himself and his friends in them. > > Flying airliners has changed quite a bit during the past 50 years but the pilots have remained the same. > > They always appear to be dependable, clean-cut and boringly similar on their surfaces, but they possess traits that the flying public doesn't detect. > > These personality traits aren't just limited to airline pilots, although with the amount of time they fly they get a better chance of displaying them than an F-18 driver. All pilots, especially professional ones, have to have a certain "something" to survive in the sky for an entire career. > > > Because I am a long-term, multi-engine people hauler, I am best qualified to talk about airline pilots. Twenty-seven years of watching them perform within a few inches of me under every kind of circumstance has shown me their inner strengths as well as their foibles. > > Why did my muddled mind suddenly start reminiscing about the guys and gals I've flown with? An enforced stay on my living room couch and two cable-conveyed movies. "Island in the Sky" and "The High and the Mighty" were on my tube the other night, and in between pain-pill doses I managed to both watch and Tivo them. > > Today, both films are looked on as sort of a joke by the general public. A parody of "The High and the Mighty" called "Airplane!" has become more popular than the movie it goofed. "Island in the Sky" is less well-known but shows airline pilots for what they really were and are in a much clearer way. There isn't a single airline pilot that I've known who hasn't shown at least a dozen traits shown by the characters in this movie. > > John Wayne starred in both pictures. He has had a reputation over the years of not being such a good actor but he nailed the attitude of a pilot in both flicks. > > Some Men Are Islands > > Lost in an arctic wilderness with dwindling food, fuel and hope, Wayne's crew has to wait it out while their friends spend days and nights on long-range search missions. > > Two of the pilots looking for Wayne's crew have been copied at one time or other by every professional pilot I've ever known. One, a young co-pilot, spends most of the movie in the co-pilot seat napping. When awakened by whatever crisis has come up he always answers with, "Whatever is customary ..." We have been using that line ever since. > > I can't remember how many times something like this has come up over my career: > > Flight Engineer: Hey, Captain ... the auto pressurization just failed. Do you want me to work it in standby? > > Me: Whatever is customary ... > > Another character, a captain named Moon played by Andy Divine, is the kind of flier every potential captain wants to be. Totally relaxed -- almost comatose -- during every flight, his favorite line was, "Everybody relax now -- just take it easy!" > > He was so laid-back in the movie that he actually had a little metal wand he would pull out of his jacket to move switches on the overhead so he wouldn't have to exert himself too much. > > I never flew with a guy that had that kind of wand, but when I was an engineer I flew with more than one captain who had a radio-antenna pointer he would tap various switches with to get me to move them. Other guys would be so lazy that they could move the OBS on their nav displays with their foot without moving their magazine or newspaper. > > I can't tell you how many times during my career I've heard his words from various captains, co-pilots and even myself -- "Now, lets not get excited" --when we heard an unusual noise, smelled smoke, hit severe turbulence or found ourselves sitting in a suddenly dark cockpit. > > Taking a deep breath and a little time before doing something fast and stupid is the hallmark of a good airline pilot. > > I have to admit that when it comes to coolness and calm I wasn't half as good at it as most of my crewmates. I can remember one time in particular when I was a DC-8 engineer and we had a homesick Cuban in the back saying he had a gun. My voice on the company radio when I was reporting the problem most likely didn't have the deep timbre I would expect of a cool pilot. > > Leisure Suits > > One captain I flew with out of Chicago was so senior and laid-back some of our conversations as we taxied out when I flew co-pilot for him actually went like this: > > Him: Kevin, where are we going today? > > Me: Boss, we go the inner, the wedge to the outer, then to two-seven right. > > Him: No, I mean, where the Hell are we going today? > > Me: Oh, Fort Lauderdale! > > Him: OK, whatever is customary ... > > You might think based on that conversation that I was flying with a total idiot and buffoon. Nothing could be more wrong. I never flew with a better "stick" than that captain. He literally made the 727 sing. He was an outstanding pilot, leader and friend. I guess after the first 500 times you fly from ORD to FLL it all blends in together. > > Another great saying he gave me has never appeared in any movie but was great advice nonetheless. Once when I was flying co-pilot for him the ride was much rougher than normal and no matter how many altitudes and other strategies I tried I couldn't find a smooth ride to save my ass. > > "Well," he said, "there is one true thing you can always say about turbulence ... It'll either get better, get worse, or stay about the same." > > A Heart of Steel > > One of the reasons people think that pilots tend to be self-centered egocentric jerks is because we are. Scratch a good professional pilot and you'll uncover a person that has more than a little faith in their abilities and skills. > > Professionally, these skills are, from time to time, called upon to literally save the lives of hundreds of people. > > Misjudge that quarterly report as a CPA and you are in big trouble. Misjudge that level five thunderstorm as a captain and you and your people are dead. > > Pilots face a problem when it comes to dismissing the notion that they are jerks: When dealing with non-flying people, there is really no common frame of reference for them to use to communicate. > > For example, one of the most commonly asked questions I've gotten over the years from non flying people is, "So, when was a time you were most scared in an airplane?" Another one I got recently was, "Have you ever crashed and killed anybody?" > > The first question is merely foolish and common. The second one made me want to punch the guy. I've been lucky enough not to have ever hurt anyone with an airplane; but imagine a person wanting to be entertained by a story where someone got hurt or killed. > > Both questions are stupid and out of touch with reality because of something very important about pilots that the general public doesn't know: Pilots aren't scared of dying. They are scared of messing up. It is OK to die in a crash if you've done everything right. If you screw it up and crash, killing your people, there is nothing worse. > > Or in the words of another airline pilot I've idolized over the years: "It is better to die than to look bad." > > Some Are Not So Mighty > > The only movie I've ever seen that addressed pilot fear properly was "The High and the Mighty." Most co-pilots remember that one as the movie where the first officer, played by John Wayne, gets to slap the living bejeezus out of the captain, who is played by Robert Stack. > > The "High and the Mighty" probably isn't the best film to show CRM techniques but it did clearly show the CRM concept of "narrow focus." The captain was so focused on ditching he refused to consider other alternatives or input from his crew. > > In their engine-out emergency, Stack froze up and was more than a little uptight but regained his composure, thanks to a little slapping around by the Duke, just in time to save everyone. The story highlighted those nagging little fears that only a captain can have halfway over an ocean. Trust me, I've heard more noises over 30W in a 777 and had more doubts about sustained, single-engine flight over water there than I'd ever care to admit. > > In the movie, the first time John Wayne hears and feels a weird vibration is the most telling part of the story. We've all been there a thousand times and it almost always turns out to be nothing. Almost ... > > Both movies were based on books by the great Ernest K. Gann. He was an experienced pilot from the old days who went on to a great Hollywood career and a quiet retirement in the Pacific Northwest that ended with his death at the ripe old age of 81. My only personal brush with Gann was a short phone conversation we had years ago when he had the foresight and the grace to turn down a request from me for a magazine interview. His career was over, he said. He just wanted to be left alone. > > That was the coolest thing I ever heard him say. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 06, 2005
Subject: Re: Competition #2 Solution
In a message dated 06-Aug-05 16:52:44 Pacific Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Sorry, Keith. I didn't mean to sound stern. Nico > > Were you stern and I missed it? Drats! Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 07, 2005
Subject: Re: Pilots Never Change
I just bought the CD "Island in the sky" I have never seen it!! I have watched "High and the Mighty" Saw it again just last week on TV. Great stuff!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Pilots Never Change
Date: Aug 07, 2005
Jimbob, I saw "Island in the Sky" on cable the other night. I think the best part is that since it was before special effects, all the flying was real. There's great footage of those guys flying into rising terrain under an overcast layer....you would never see that in a movie made today! /J ----- Original Message ----- From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilots Never Change > > I just bought the CD "Island in the sky" I have never seen it!! I have > watched "High and the Mighty" Saw it again just last week on TV. Great stuff!! > jb > > > __________ NOD32 1.1187 (20050805) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1187 (20050805) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 07, 2005
Subject: Re: Pilots Never Change
In a message dated 8/7/2005 10:26:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, john(at)vormbaum.com writes: ...you would never see that in a movie made today! Cant wait!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Pilot stories
Date: Aug 07, 2005
In my previous email I invited folks to send accounts of their flight experiences and we already received our first one. Thanks Don. Read about it http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Pilotstories/ and please let us have yours too. Thanks Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: FW: Witness to History... Interview with a retired Eastern
Captain
Date: Aug 08, 2005
This gentleman was my instructor on DC-9's when I was a co-pilot years ago. Thought you may enjoy reading the story. Don +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Witness to History Miami native saw both A-bombs hit Japan By Martin E. Comas Orlando Sentinel Posted August 8 2005 It was the brightest light Don Albury had ever seen, beautiful but horrific. From his co-pilot's seat 30,000 feet above Japan, Albury witnessed the dropping of the first atomic bomb 60 years ago. "There were blues, greens and yellows," the former Army Air Forces captain said last week, recalling the moment when the city of Hiroshima was turned into a nuclear wasteland, leaving 140,000 people dead, some instantly, the rest within a few months, and tens of thousands more wounded. Albury's plane was following the bomber Enola Gay as it dropped the uranium bomb. Three days later, on Aug. 9, 1945, Albury co-piloted the B-29 bomber Bock's Car when it dropped another atomic bomb on Nagasaki, killing about 80,000 Japanese. The attacks effectively ended World War II. Albury, a Miami native and retired Eastern Airlines pilot living in south Orange County, is one of the few to have seen both of the only atomic bombs yet launched in war. "At the time, we didn't know it was an atomic bomb," Albury, 84, said at his home in Hunter's Creek. "But we knew we had a very powerful bomb." For years after the war ended, when Albury returned to Miami, he received dozens of letters from Americans criticizing him for taking part in the two missions. Some of the letters said the Nagasaki bombing was not necessary. The Japanese had suffered enough with the Hiroshima bombing and were on the verge of surrendering, the writers told him. At first, Albury answered as many of the letters as he could explaining that many more -- perhaps millions more -- would have died if the bombs were not dropped and the war had continued. "Finally, I said the heck with it," Albury said. "I stopped answering them." On Aug. 6, Albury said, the sky was clear when the three B-29 bombers took off from Tinian Island in the South Pacific and headed for Hiroshima. The lead plane, Enola Gay, was piloted by Paul Tibbets. On board was the 8,900-pound bomb nicknamed "Little Boy." Tibbets' plane was followed by Albury's plane, The Great Artiste. The job of its crew was to drop instruments to record the magnitude of the bomb blast and the levels of radioactivity. The third plane was to photograph the blast. Crew members were told to wear thick goggles to protect themselves from the flash. "But we didn't wear ours because we couldn't see the instrument panel," Albury said. When the bomb was dropped, "we saw a great flash," he said. "Then it sounded like someone just slapped the airplane about three times." The second mission three days later did not go as well. There was foul weather over the primary target of Kokura, the planes were low on fuel and the photo plane was missing after taking a different route. On board Albury's plane was the 10,000-pound plutonium bomb nicknamed "Fat Man." Kokura was covered by clouds. So the two remaining planes headed to the secondary target, Nagasaki, a seaside city where many of the torpedoes used in the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor had been built. This time, Albury saw a bright, white flash when the bomb went off. His plane was rocked back and forth. "It was like someone picked us up and shook us around." After the Japanese agreed to surrender on Aug. 15, 1945, Asbury flew a team of U.S. doctors, scientists and civilians into Nagasaki to study the damage and help the wounded. "I never saw so much twisted metal," Albury said. "It was horrific, I'll tell you that." He recalled walking up a hill to a hospital and seeing a Japanese man wearing a tattered shirt crawling on the ground. "We saw that he was bleeding. We tried to help him as much as we could." There were no doctors or medical staff inside the hospital, Albury said. Born and raised in Miami, Albury briefly studied engineering at the University of Miami until he scored so well on a test offered to him by an Army recruiter that he was pulled into the Air Forces. Sun-Sentinel Staff Writer Robert Nolin contributed to this report. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Witness to History... Interview with a retired
Eastern Captain
Date: Aug 08, 2005
It's a small world. Don Albury was the brother to Warren, who was one of my fathers best friends through life. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Witness to History... Interview with a retired Eastern Captain > > > This gentleman was my instructor on DC-9's when I was a co-pilot years > ago. Thought you may enjoy reading the story. > > Don > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Witness to History > > Miami native saw both A-bombs hit Japan > > By Martin E. Comas > Orlando Sentinel > Posted August 8 2005 > > > It was the brightest light Don Albury had ever seen, beautiful but > horrific. > > From his co-pilot's seat 30,000 feet above Japan, Albury witnessed the > dropping of the first atomic bomb 60 years ago. > > > "There were blues, greens and yellows," the former Army Air Forces captain > said last week, recalling the moment when the city of Hiroshima was turned > into a nuclear wasteland, leaving 140,000 people dead, some instantly, the > rest within a few months, and tens of thousands more wounded. > > Albury's plane was following the bomber Enola Gay as it dropped the > uranium bomb. > > Three days later, on Aug. 9, 1945, Albury co-piloted the B-29 bomber > Bock's Car when it dropped another atomic bomb on Nagasaki, killing about > 80,000 Japanese. The attacks effectively ended World War II. > > Albury, a Miami native and retired Eastern Airlines pilot living in south > Orange County, is one of the few to have seen both of the only atomic > bombs yet launched in war. > > "At the time, we didn't know it was an atomic bomb," Albury, 84, said at > his home in Hunter's Creek. "But we knew we had a very powerful bomb." > > For years after the war ended, when Albury returned to Miami, he received > dozens of letters from Americans criticizing him for taking part in the > two missions. Some of the letters said the Nagasaki bombing was not > necessary. The Japanese had suffered enough with the Hiroshima bombing and > were on the verge of surrendering, the writers told him. > > At first, Albury answered as many of the letters as he could explaining > that many more -- perhaps millions more -- would have died if the bombs > were not dropped and the war had continued. "Finally, I said the heck with > it," Albury said. "I stopped answering them." > > On Aug. 6, Albury said, the sky was clear when the three B-29 bombers took > off from Tinian Island in the South Pacific and headed for Hiroshima. The > lead plane, Enola Gay, was piloted by Paul Tibbets. On board was the > 8,900-pound bomb nicknamed "Little Boy." > > Tibbets' plane was followed by Albury's plane, The Great Artiste. The job > of its crew was to drop instruments to record the magnitude of the bomb > blast and the levels of radioactivity. The third plane was to photograph > the blast. > > Crew members were told to wear thick goggles to protect themselves from > the flash. "But we didn't wear ours because we couldn't see the instrument > panel," Albury said. > > When the bomb was dropped, "we saw a great flash," he said. "Then it > sounded like someone just slapped the airplane about three times." > > The second mission three days later did not go as well. There was foul > weather over the primary target of Kokura, the planes were low on fuel and > the photo plane was missing after taking a different route. > > On board Albury's plane was the 10,000-pound plutonium bomb nicknamed "Fat > Man." > > Kokura was covered by clouds. So the two remaining planes headed to the > secondary target, Nagasaki, a seaside city where many of the torpedoes > used in the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor had been built. > > This time, Albury saw a bright, white flash when the bomb went off. > > His plane was rocked back and forth. "It was like someone picked us up and > shook us around." > > After the Japanese agreed to surrender on Aug. 15, 1945, Asbury flew a > team of U.S. doctors, scientists and civilians into Nagasaki to study the > damage and help the wounded. "I never saw so much twisted metal," Albury > said. "It was horrific, I'll tell you that." He recalled walking up a hill > to a hospital and seeing a Japanese man wearing a tattered shirt crawling > on the ground. "We saw that he was bleeding. We tried to help him as much > as we could." > > There were no doctors or medical staff inside the hospital, Albury said. > > Born and raised in Miami, Albury briefly studied engineering at the > University of Miami until he scored so well on a test offered to him by an > Army recruiter that he was pulled into the Air Forces. > > Sun-Sentinel Staff Writer Robert Nolin contributed to this report. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: More pilot stories
Date: Aug 08, 2005
More stories published, folks. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Pilotstories ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Witness to History... Interview with a retired Eastern Captain > > It's a small world. Don Albury was the brother to Warren, who was one of my > fathers best friends through life. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> > To: > Subject: Commander-List: FW: Witness to History... Interview with a retired > Eastern Captain > > > > > > > > This gentleman was my instructor on DC-9's when I was a co-pilot years > > ago. Thought you may enjoy reading the story. > > > > Don > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Witness to History > > > > Miami native saw both A-bombs hit Japan > > > > By Martin E. Comas > > Orlando Sentinel > > Posted August 8 2005 > > > > > > It was the brightest light Don Albury had ever seen, beautiful but > > horrific. > > > > From his co-pilot's seat 30,000 feet above Japan, Albury witnessed the > > dropping of the first atomic bomb 60 years ago. > > > > > > "There were blues, greens and yellows," the former Army Air Forces captain > > said last week, recalling the moment when the city of Hiroshima was turned > > into a nuclear wasteland, leaving 140,000 people dead, some instantly, the > > rest within a few months, and tens of thousands more wounded. > > > > Albury's plane was following the bomber Enola Gay as it dropped the > > uranium bomb. > > > > Three days later, on Aug. 9, 1945, Albury co-piloted the B-29 bomber > > Bock's Car when it dropped another atomic bomb on Nagasaki, killing about > > 80,000 Japanese. The attacks effectively ended World War II. > > > > Albury, a Miami native and retired Eastern Airlines pilot living in south > > Orange County, is one of the few to have seen both of the only atomic > > bombs yet launched in war. > > > > "At the time, we didn't know it was an atomic bomb," Albury, 84, said at > > his home in Hunter's Creek. "But we knew we had a very powerful bomb." > > > > For years after the war ended, when Albury returned to Miami, he received > > dozens of letters from Americans criticizing him for taking part in the > > two missions. Some of the letters said the Nagasaki bombing was not > > necessary. The Japanese had suffered enough with the Hiroshima bombing and > > were on the verge of surrendering, the writers told him. > > > > At first, Albury answered as many of the letters as he could explaining > > that many more -- perhaps millions more -- would have died if the bombs > > were not dropped and the war had continued. "Finally, I said the heck with > > it," Albury said. "I stopped answering them." > > > > On Aug. 6, Albury said, the sky was clear when the three B-29 bombers took > > off from Tinian Island in the South Pacific and headed for Hiroshima. The > > lead plane, Enola Gay, was piloted by Paul Tibbets. On board was the > > 8,900-pound bomb nicknamed "Little Boy." > > > > Tibbets' plane was followed by Albury's plane, The Great Artiste. The job > > of its crew was to drop instruments to record the magnitude of the bomb > > blast and the levels of radioactivity. The third plane was to photograph > > the blast. > > > > Crew members were told to wear thick goggles to protect themselves from > > the flash. "But we didn't wear ours because we couldn't see the instrument > > panel," Albury said. > > > > When the bomb was dropped, "we saw a great flash," he said. "Then it > > sounded like someone just slapped the airplane about three times." > > > > The second mission three days later did not go as well. There was foul > > weather over the primary target of Kokura, the planes were low on fuel and > > the photo plane was missing after taking a different route. > > > > On board Albury's plane was the 10,000-pound plutonium bomb nicknamed "Fat > > Man." > > > > Kokura was covered by clouds. So the two remaining planes headed to the > > secondary target, Nagasaki, a seaside city where many of the torpedoes > > used in the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor had been built. > > > > This time, Albury saw a bright, white flash when the bomb went off. > > > > His plane was rocked back and forth. "It was like someone picked us up and > > shook us around." > > > > After the Japanese agreed to surrender on Aug. 15, 1945, Asbury flew a > > team of U.S. doctors, scientists and civilians into Nagasaki to study the > > damage and help the wounded. "I never saw so much twisted metal," Albury > > said. "It was horrific, I'll tell you that." He recalled walking up a hill > > to a hospital and seeing a Japanese man wearing a tattered shirt crawling > > on the ground. "We saw that he was bleeding. We tried to help him as much > > as we could." > > > > There were no doctors or medical staff inside the hospital, Albury said. > > > > Born and raised in Miami, Albury briefly studied engineering at the > > University of Miami until he scored so well on a test offered to him by an > > Army recruiter that he was pulled into the Air Forces. > > > > Sun-Sentinel Staff Writer Robert Nolin contributed to this report. > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Bird strike! Fighter down!
Date: Aug 08, 2005
0.00 MANY_EXCLAMATIONS Subject has many exclamations I just had to share this with you all. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Movies/birdsuck.wmv ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 08, 2005
Subject: TURBO 800 TED SMITH ARTICLE
I just sent Nico a new article on the Ted Smith Commander 800 Conversion. I'm sure he will get it posted in the next couple of days. Be interested to know of any of you have this. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 09, 2005
Subject: MEMBERSHI/VENDOR LIST
HI KIDS. They are in the mail!! My wonderful wife has complete the draft copy of the vendors list/membership roster and they were mailed today. If you are a member of the TCFG, your is on the way. Please check your personal information to make certain it is correct. Also, review the vendor list and let us know if there is some one who should be included (or deflated). Hope to see all for you at the fly-in!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: TURBO 800 TED SMITH ARTICLE
Date: Aug 09, 2005
Done. You can read about it here: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/ and click on the _8-9-2005 folder. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: TURBO 800 TED SMITH ARTICLE > > I just sent Nico a new article on the Ted Smith Commander 800 Conversion. I'm > sure he will get it posted in the next couple of days. Be interested to know > of any of you have this. > > Thanks, > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: TURBO 800 TED SMITH ARTICLE
Date: Aug 10, 2005
Yes, I have one of these, I know I will like it better once it develops full power. My problem is that I percieve that this aircraft is out of rig (engine controls, carbs) and the local lads, nice as they, have a learning curve that I end up paying for. Is my perception of this aircraft off? I need a current 680FLP (Mr.RPM) pilot to evaluate this beast, any volunteers? I also am trying to put the hydraulic system back togeather and am short a few parts (the previous owner choose not keep the system up ie. one engine pump U/S, no hydraulic filter at all). I currently do not have access to the part names but I do have the part numbers, any insight as to where to obtain these items would be great. Part# Qty. 2790168-3 2 5790162-7 3 5790162-15 1 92NL22-02 1 AN970-4 1 2790168-5 1 Thanks, Tom F. C-GISS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: I spent some time with the Colemill guys
Date: Aug 10, 2005
[sorry it this is the 2nd notice; it appears to me the first email did not go thru] I had a great visit in Nashville with the actual guys that re-engined my plane in 1973. Details at: http://akucheck.squarespace.com/journal/ ak ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 10, 2005
Subject: Re: I spent some time with the Colemill guys
Alan, That is a terrific story! Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: ebay commander
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? Moe N680RR ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ebay commander
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 12, 2005
N47RR 1477-5 talk to him yesterday. Bert -----Original Message----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:15:32 To: Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? Moe N680RR bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: ebay commander
Date: Aug 13, 2005
Hi Moe, Bert just beat me to it ! I was just going to suggest 1477-5, N47RR myself when Bert's email came through. I spent a while looking at those 680FLP's which had the Turbo 800 STC. If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Initially Certificated December 27th 1964, it was the first 680FLP with Dick MacCoon's MR RPM STC. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander | | N47RR 1477-5 talk to him yesterday. | | Bert | -----Original Message----- | From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> | Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:15:32 | To: | Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander | | | Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? | | Moe | N680RR | | | bertberry1(at)aol.com | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Subject: Re: ebay commander
In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Hot starts
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Russ, I agree. There is a lot of hot avgas pouring out the overflow, so the fireballs do seem to show up with that technique. However, to date I have not heard of a single fire as a result of this. I may be uniformed. I once was privileged to attend a Bob Hoover show and an Aero Commander had a hard time starting up (not Bob). We were on a balcony right above the 500B and the fireballs that came out on top of the wing were just scary. The pilot could not get the engines going and had to abandon wherever he was going, perhaps much to his embarrassment. The technique you describe works on Continentals, except the throttle is advanced slowly. If I remember correctly, the Centurion and C206 family Cessnas had the fuel pump activated when the throttle was advanced, and it is this that made the Continental technique work well, hot or cold. Once I had a hard time firing up a 310 and there was nothing we could do to even get a beat out of the engines. Maybe the Continentals got pissed off that we tried Lycoming techniques on them. Who knows. I can imagine that your technique would work since the shot of fuel would set up fuel pressure which is slowly released as the mixture is advanced, basically causing the ideal circumstances for combustion at any point during the fuel release. The flooded method uses the reverse of this process by having excess fuel evaporate until the ideal circumstances occur. Whether your technique would work with a vapor lock is not clear, but if it works without scaring the pilot into soiling his pants immediately before a flight, it is a distinct advantage. :-) Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wernerworld" <russ(at)wernerworld.com> Subject: Rocket-List: Hot starts, Was: Lean side of peak running > --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Wernerworld" > > Here's another hot start technique. I had tried many different ones, but > the one thing that scared the shit out of me was the chance of fire. Many > advocate using the "flooded engine" method of full throttle and mixture at > cutoff. > > I've been told of another technique that seems to work even better: > > Give the hot engine about 1 second of prime, crazy as is sounds. Put the > mixture to cutoff. Crack the throttle and start cranking. As the engine > cranks, slowly bring the mixture forward and it will fire every time (for > me) on the way up. When it does, it does it nice and gently, unlike the > full throttle method. I've been using this for a month and it seems to work > EVERY time. > > As for flooding the engine before trying the start, I quit this one after > someone told me about the ball of fire I spit from the exhaust while trying > to get it started! Rolled all the way down the belly! Nice way to light up > your plane, your airport, or more! > > Russ > HRII > Tom, You might know this already, but I always flooded hot Lycomings and then proceeded the startup with fuel cut off and throttle to the wall. It takes a bit of practice to acquire the knack. I found that flooding the engine circulates cooler fuel through the fuel system and gets airlocks and other mysteries out of the system that comes with a hot engine. It cranks a while but it always fired up. The theory, so I believe, is that if you flood the engine, then crank it with fuel cutoff and fully opened throttle, it is inescapable that there must come a time when the fuel/air mixture is exactly right and then it will fire, no exceptions. The trick is to maintain sufficient fuel flow with a combination of mixture lever and boost pump, to sustain the startup once the first cylinder fires. For what it's worth. Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ebay commander
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2005
If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: ebay commander N47RR
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Bert, I have the photos that Wing Commander took. There are about 30 of them. The SW style carpet seems to be gone. Same paint and seats. I also have some copies of the log books. How do you want to receive them? Tylor Hall 970-946-7472 Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: ebay commander 47RR
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Bert, I have electronic copies of the photos that Keith Gordon took. There are over 30 of them. How do you want me to send them? Tylor Hall 970-946-7472 Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: ebay commander 47RR
Date: Aug 12, 2005
You want them on the website? ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander 47RR > > Bert, > I have electronic copies of the photos that Keith Gordon took. > There are over 30 of them. > How do you want me to send them? > > Tylor Hall > 970-946-7472 > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > > If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 > To:commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > > In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job > and > panel are a match. > Indeed. > > N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually > hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." > > The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse > where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. > > First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not > on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock > on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I > looked > it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. > > It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it > had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the > right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. > > Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until > I realized it was on one side only. > > Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't > need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." > > I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, > but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an > expert. > > I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was > ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. > > Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so > it is still a Skydrol airplane. > > It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen > before and still don't know what it was/is. > > My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was > that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine > compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up > really > liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. > > If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to > Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. > That > would have avoided the damage history. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > bertberry1(at)aol.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: ebay commander N47RR
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Bert, I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. Nico offered and I sent them. The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. I would have to look it up. It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early Victorian with lots of red velvet. Mile High Club? Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ebay commander N47RR
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2005
Thanks much Bert -----Original Message----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:15:17 To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR Bert, I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. Nico offered and I sent them. The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. I would have to look it up. It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early Victorian with lots of red velvet. Mile High Club? Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1(at)aol.com bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: ebay commander
Date: Aug 12, 2005
Might be Harry's. Tom F. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Commander-List: ebay commander > > Does anyone know anything about the 1964 680FL(p) that is currently on eBay? There are three pictures of it, and somehow the N number doesn't show in any of them. Maybe from the Dominican Republic (or some other country which doesn't require an annual of maintenance? > > Moe > N680RR > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: ebay commander N47RR
Date: Aug 12, 2005
They're up, folks. See them here and click on N47RR. You can see other videos and pictures also. If you go one up there is more information too. Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR > > Bert, > I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. > Nico offered and I sent them. > > The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last > overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. > I would have to look it up. > It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. > > Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. > A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early > Victorian with lots of red velvet. > > Mile High Club? > > Tylor Hall > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > > If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 > To:commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander > > > In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job > and > panel are a match. > Indeed. > > N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually > hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." > > The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse > where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. > > First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not > on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock > on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I > looked > it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. > > It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it > had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the > right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. > > Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until > I realized it was on one side only. > > Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't > need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." > > I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, > but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an > expert. > > I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was > ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. > > Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so > it is still a Skydrol airplane. > > It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen > before and still don't know what it was/is. > > My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was > that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine > compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up > really > liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. > > If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to > Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. > That > would have avoided the damage history. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > bertberry1(at)aol.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: ebay commander N47RR
From: "Bert Berry" <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Aug 13, 2005
Thank you sir, I'm in Oklahoma City, I'll have to check them out when I get home. Thanks, Bert -----Original Message----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:15:17 To: Subject: RE: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR Bert, I just sent 25 photos to Nico to put on his web site. Nico offered and I sent them. The engines have low time and one has a prop strike?, but they were last overhauled prior to 1990. 15 years ago. I would have to look it up. It was stored for many years in North Las Vegas. Dick MacCoon tells a story about this airplane when he got it. A Madam in New Orleans owned it and the interior as he got is was early Victorian with lots of red velvet. Mile High Club? Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander If anyone has any better photos of this one I sure would like to see them. -----Original Message----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:59:10 To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander In a message dated 12-Aug-05 17:13:51 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: If the one pictured on eBay is the one offered for sale, then the paint job and panel are a match. Indeed. N47RR was formerly based at North Las Vegas (KVGT) where it was actually hangared off-field in the days when KVGT was "out in the boonies." The city grew up around the airport and it was transported from a warehouse where the former owner kept it (estate sale) and trailered to KVGT. First time I saw it, it was still on the trailer. The rudder lock was not on, so I took matters into my own hands, entered and placed the control lock on. That gave me a bit of time to look over the interior and panel. I looked it over for Tylor Hall and photographed it. It was a very nice looking aircraft. Unfortunately, during it annual, it had the hydraulic actuator lines switched and during an engine test run, the right main gear retracted and resulted in a prop strike on the right engine. Next time I saw the airplane, I thought it had had Q-Tip props put on, until I realized it was on one side only. Amazingly, the I.A. who owned the shop told me that the right engine didn't need a tear down because "the prop only dug into the pavement 1/2 inch." I was not aware Lycoming had a 1/2 inch cirteria for a non-prop stike event, but I'm always open to learning something new in this business from an expert. I photographed the belly damage after it got back on its feet. It was ferried to Florida some time after that and one of our Group was selling it. Of interest on this particular model: It was NOT converted to 5606 fluid so it is still a Skydrol airplane. It also had a probe, aft of the nose, copilot side, that I had never seen before and still don't know what it was/is. My over-all impression of N47RR from my look at it a couple of years ago was that it was very clean, had nearly new hoses and lines in the engine compartments, had a leather and southwestern theme carpet that I ended up really liking. Looks like a more conservative, beige carpet has replaced that. If I had the money, I would have bought it, but would have ferried it to Morris Kernick for its annual / return to service after such long storage. That would have avoided the damage history. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. bertberry1(at)aol.com bertberry1(at)aol.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 13, 2005
Subject: Re: ebay commander N47RR Probe Mystery
Nico, Again, thanks for putting up the Commander info on your site. And since you love to give us brain teasers, I'm going to ask the great minds of this email net to identify what that probe is on N47RR. Please take a look at the following photos and offer up your answer: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:24 PM 39859 47RR210.jpg Friday, August 12, 2005 11:24 PM 26295 47RR211.jpg On the photo archive, look at 47RR211.jpg for the close up. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: ebay commander N47RR Probe Mystery
Date: Aug 13, 2005
I think it is a true airspeed sensor, did you notice the True Airspeed & Altimeter in the forward starboard of the cabin? Tom F. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: ebay commander N47RR Probe Mystery > > Nico, > > Again, thanks for putting up the Commander info on your site. > > And since you love to give us brain teasers, I'm going to ask the great minds > of this email net to identify what that probe is on N47RR. > > Please take a look at the following photos and offer up your answer: > > Friday, August 12, 2005 11:24 PM 39859 47RR210.jpg > > Friday, August 12, 2005 11:24 PM 26295 47RR211.jpg > > On the photo archive, look at 47RR211.jpg for the close up. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 13, 2005
Subject: Re: ebay commander N47RR Probe Mystery
In a message dated 13-Aug-05 12:20:25 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I think it is a true airspeed sensor, did you notice the True Airspeed & Altimeter in the forward starboard of the cabin? >> Good one, Tom. Of course, I think your guess is a good one because it's pretty close to mine. I think it's an air temperature probe (buy why the venturi?) which would be part of an air data package that would drive a TAS indicator. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Landing a 747 on a small strip
Date: Aug 13, 2005
You might have seen this before. But that has never stopped me from sending you a story again, huh? Nico http://www.skypark.org/747Landing.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Commander Article(s)
Date: Aug 16, 2005
Nico, In June of 2003, and July 2003 IN FLIGHT (the tabloid) had a couple of articles on the Aero Commander. I have the articles however, 1. Our scanner is not really state of the art. 2. It is a tabloid printed on news print. If you wish to give me an address where I can UPS them, perhaps you could scan them and put them on the sight. Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 16, 2005
Subject: Re: Commander Article(s)
Hey Moe, I took mine to Kinko's and had them scanned, don't remember how much it was, but it was less than you can ship them to Nico. Just a thought, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Commander Article(s)
Date: Aug 16, 2005
Thanks Bert, however, Kinko's is about two miles & UPS picks up here at the piston factory ever day! Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Article(s) > > Hey Moe, > > I took mine to Kinko's and had them scanned, don't remember how much it was, > but it was less than you can ship them to Nico. > > Just a thought, > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 17, 2005
This kind of sums it up, folks. Turn up the volume and spend a minute or so listening to this. Thanks Nico http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081705/content/whose_kids_are_in_iraq.guest.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve2" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 18, 2005
No, it kind of doesn't sum it all up. It's a rambling bunch of crap. Why can't the Commander list stick to Commanders. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > > This kind of sums it up, folks. > Turn up the volume and spend a minute or so listening to this. > Thanks > Nico > > http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081705/content/whose_kids_are_in_iraq.guest.html > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 18, 2005
I second that thought. On another point, Mr. Giron, if you are flummoxed by email and the internet, I'm sure someone would be happy to help you notify your contacts about your address change. By sending your email address change the way you did, I now know (and everyone else on various lists you subscribe to) know who your friends and relatives are. We know your politics, and your faith. We can deduce that you are involved somehow in legal or medical issues. In this day of internet identity piracy, this can be dangerous! Just a friendly, helpful reminder! ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of steve2 No, it kind of doesn't sum it all up. It's a rambling bunch of crap. Why can't the Commander list stick to Commanders. Thanks, Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 18, 2005
Nico, You seem to be catching flack for what you sent but I agree with you. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css Subject: Commander-List: What this country is all about This kind of sums it up, folks. Turn up the volume and spend a minute or so listening to this. Thanks Nico http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081705/content/whose_kids_are_in _iraq.guest.html ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 18, 2005
Folks, I agree, however, that I shouldn't have sent it to the Commander list. I respect their opinions and treasure their passion for Commanders. On the other matters we will respectfully agree to disagree. Socialism and liberalism have taken away my freedoms and, therefore, I have a hard time assuming a passive pose about it. It is as if I want to shake everybody by the shoulders and yell for them to wake up. But I realize that everyone indulges in a sleep about that which appears comfortable or unimportant. In future, I will be more careful about sending non-Commander related issues. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > Nico, > You seem to be catching flack for what you sent but I agree with you. > Jim Addington > N444BD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css > To: art la combe > Subject: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > > > This kind of sums it up, folks. > Turn up the volume and spend a minute or so listening to this. > Thanks > Nico > > http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081705/content/whose_kids_are_in > _iraq.guest.html > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve2" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 18, 2005
Nico, Thank you for your last post. Please know Mr. Limbaugh is offering a caricature of liberals and liberalism. I don't know of anyone liberal that even remotely resembles the figure he describes; and hell, I live in Vermont. Most all 'liberals' I know were wholeheartedly behind our knocking over Afghanistan, and wholly against our Iraqi adventure as ill-timed and ill advised. (Kinda like Pat Buchanon was.) That does not make people out to destroy America. Such outrageous characterizations inflame anger, hatred and division. Both sides deeply love the country and are passionate about it, or there wouldn't be fights over what it is we are. I'd be happy to chat with you directly sometime, because this ain't the appropriate place, but suffice to say it is deeply painful to be painted as un-American and un-patriotic because of disagreeing with a number of things being done nowadays in the name of conservatism. I'm not so sure the intrusions on your freedoms in the future will be coming from liberals. This is now my second post. I wished both had been about Commanders. I fly a 500B out of North Adams MA for photo survey work. Second generation Commander pilot as my Dad flew Magnetometer surveys all over the world, mostly in 680E's. Today I'm sitting here at my desk running a simulator, trying to figure out our new Garmin GNS-480/MX20/Mode S boxes. They are a lot smarter than I am. Steve Welebny www.coleast.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > > Folks, > I agree, however, that I shouldn't have sent it to the Commander list. I > respect their opinions and treasure their passion for Commanders. On the > other matters we will respectfully agree to disagree. Socialism and > liberalism have taken away my freedoms and, therefore, I have a hard time > assuming a passive pose about it. It is as if I want to shake everybody by > the shoulders and yell for them to wake up. But I realize that everyone > indulges in a sleep about that which appears comfortable or unimportant. > > In future, I will be more careful about sending non-Commander related > issues. > > Thanks > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > > >> >> Nico, >> You seem to be catching flack for what you sent but I agree with you. >> Jim Addington >> N444BD >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css >> To: art la combe >> Subject: Commander-List: What this country is all about >> >> > >> >> This kind of sums it up, folks. >> Turn up the volume and spend a minute or so listening to this. >> Thanks >> Nico >> >> > http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081705/content/whose_kids_are_in >> _iraq.guest.html >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: What this country is all about
Date: Aug 18, 2005
Thank you, Steve. I appreciate that. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve2" <steve2(at)sover.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > Nico, > > Thank you for your last post. > > Please know Mr. Limbaugh is offering a caricature of liberals and > liberalism. I don't know of anyone liberal that even remotely resembles the > figure he describes; and hell, I live in Vermont. Most all 'liberals' I know > were wholeheartedly behind our knocking over Afghanistan, and wholly against > our Iraqi adventure as ill-timed and ill advised. (Kinda like Pat Buchanon > was.) That does not make people out to destroy America. Such outrageous > characterizations inflame anger, hatred and division. Both sides deeply love > the country and are passionate about it, or there wouldn't be fights over > what it is we are. > > I'd be happy to chat with you directly sometime, because this ain't the > appropriate place, but suffice to say it is deeply painful to be painted as > un-American and un-patriotic because of disagreeing with a number of things > being done nowadays in the name of conservatism. I'm not so sure the > intrusions on your freedoms in the future will be coming from liberals. > > This is now my second post. I wished both had been about Commanders. I fly a > 500B out of North Adams MA for photo survey work. Second generation > Commander pilot as my Dad flew Magnetometer surveys all over the world, > mostly in 680E's. > > Today I'm sitting here at my desk running a simulator, trying to figure out > our new Garmin GNS-480/MX20/Mode S boxes. They are a lot smarter than I am. > > Steve Welebny > www.coleast.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > > > > > > > Folks, > > I agree, however, that I shouldn't have sent it to the Commander list. I > > respect their opinions and treasure their passion for Commanders. On the > > other matters we will respectfully agree to disagree. Socialism and > > liberalism have taken away my freedoms and, therefore, I have a hard time > > assuming a passive pose about it. It is as if I want to shake everybody by > > the shoulders and yell for them to wake up. But I realize that everyone > > indulges in a sleep about that which appears comfortable or unimportant. > > > > In future, I will be more careful about sending non-Commander related > > issues. > > > > Thanks > > Nico > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> > > To: > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: What this country is all about > > > > > > > >> > >> Nico, > >> You seem to be catching flack for what you sent but I agree with you. > >> Jim Addington > >> N444BD > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > >> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css > >> To: art la combe > >> Subject: Commander-List: What this country is all about > >> > >> > > > >> > >> This kind of sums it up, folks. > >> Turn up the volume and spend a minute or so listening to this. > >> Thanks > >> Nico > >> > >> > > http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081705/content/whose_kids_are_in > >> _iraq.guest.html > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net>
Subject: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Have you guys seen this useful Aviation related site? {Yes, it really is an aviation site} http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationconverters.html Ben ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Interesting. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > > Have you guys seen this useful Aviation related site? > {Yes, it really is an aviation site} > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationconverters.html > > Ben > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: COMMANDER560(at)cs.com
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Moe, sorry for the late reply, but have been gone for a couple of weeks. The tail stand came from a early 680T, would that work for you? Regards, Joe Shepherd ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Ben, Thanks for the tip, this is a very cool sight! Having said this, there is a flaw in the engine compression ratio calculator, in that it does not take into account the area from the top sill of the top ring groove to the deck of the piston ( a very common mistake). Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > Have you guys seen this useful Aviation related site? > {Yes, it really is an aviation site} > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationconverters.html > > Ben > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
It would probably take a piston builder to know that.:>) That too is interesting. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > Ben, > > Thanks for the tip, this is a very cool sight! > > Having said this, there is a flaw in the engine compression ratio > calculator, in that it does not take into account the area from the top > sill > of the top ring groove to the deck of the piston ( a very common mistake). > > Regards, > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> > To: "Aero Commander list" > Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > > >> >> Have you guys seen this useful Aviation related site? >> {Yes, it really is an aviation site} >> >> http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationconverters.html >> >> Ben >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Nice assortment of conversions, one thing missing was a slope/distant/altitude calculator. i.e. how many miles back will I intercept the glide slope at this altitude? I used to know it but I can't find a reference to this common calculation and I can't remember my geometry formula. Tom F. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > Ben, > > Thanks for the tip, this is a very cool sight! > > Having said this, there is a flaw in the engine compression ratio > calculator, in that it does not take into account the area from the top sill > of the top ring groove to the deck of the piston ( a very common mistake). > > Regards, > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> > To: "Aero Commander list" > Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > > > > > > Have you guys seen this useful Aviation related site? > > {Yes, it really is an aviation site} > > > > http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationconverters.html > > > > Ben > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Tom, There was just an article on rules of thumb for crosswinds and descent in the Summer edition of "Flight Levels". Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators Nice assortment of conversions, one thing missing was a slope/distant/altitude calculator. i.e. how many miles back will I intercept the glide slope at this altitude? I used to know it but I can't find a reference to this common calculation and I can't remember my geometry formula. Tom F. C-GISS ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Right on! Was just wondering if any of the other calculators had similar errors. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > It would probably take a piston builder to know that.:>) > > That too is interesting. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > > > > > Ben, > > > > Thanks for the tip, this is a very cool sight! > > > > Having said this, there is a flaw in the engine compression ratio > > calculator, in that it does not take into account the area from the top > > sill > > of the top ring groove to the deck of the piston ( a very common mistake). > > > > Regards, > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > 680F(p) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> > > To: "Aero Commander list" > > Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > > > > > > >> > >> Have you guys seen this useful Aviation related site? > >> {Yes, it really is an aviation site} > >> > >> http://www.csgnetwork.com/aviationconverters.html > >> > >> Ben > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Aviation Converters and Calculators
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Thanks Ben, unfortunately I do not receive Flight Levels as I fly a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) and I it appears to me that Flight Levels caters to the turbines only. Tom F. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Baltrusaitis" <ben(at)gmpexpress.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > Tom, There was just an article on rules of thumb for crosswinds and descent in the Summer edition of "Flight Levels". > Ben > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Fisher > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Converters and Calculators > > > > Nice assortment of conversions, one thing missing was a > slope/distant/altitude calculator. > i.e. how many miles back will I intercept the glide slope at this altitude? > I used to know it but I can't find a reference to this common calculation > and I can't remember my geometry formula. > > Tom F. > C-GISS > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Subject: 500B OCTOBER 1983 PILOT REPORT
I just sent Nico the October 1983 Private Pilot Report on the 500B, so be looking for it. Thanks again Nico. Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Tail Stand and 680F(p)
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Joe, I was looking for a tailstand that can be easily weighted to lift the front wheel off the ground. Previously, we had one that could be filled with water and it would lift the front. Thanx! Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: <COMMANDER560(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tail Stand and 680F(p) > > Moe, sorry for the late reply, but have been gone for a couple of weeks. The > tail stand came from a early 680T, would that work for you? Regards, Joe > Shepherd > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: 500B OCTOBER 1983 PILOT REPORT
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Folks, This is where it is http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/Articles%20Manuals%20etc/_8-19-2005/ Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com> Subject: Commander-List: 500B OCTOBER 1983 PILOT REPORT > > I just sent Nico the October 1983 Private Pilot Report on the 500B, so be > looking for it. > > Thanks again Nico. > > Bert > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: 500B OCTOBER 1983 PILOT REPORT
Date: Aug 19, 2005
Nico, Thanks again for hosting these. Did you get the UPS box with two articles in it? Moe N680RR 680F(p) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B OCTOBER 1983 PILOT REPORT


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