Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bx
January 29, 2006 - March 07, 2006
L31 St. Tammany. Do you know my old friend Paul Borgatti there? We used to work
together. 20+ years ago. I lived in Tchefuncta Estates.
Did you come out of Katrina OK?
No commander yet - still wishing.
Carter
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| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tired Aero Commanders |
Hello Carter,
No, sorry, don't know Paul by full name nor can place him in my memory. I
have lived here for 30 years and am sure our paths have crossed. If he is a
fellow pilot have him give me a call and I will enjoy his company while we
bore holes in the sky in my Bonanza. Tchefuncta Estates is right down the
road from my home in Flower Estates. You would not recognize the area post
Katrina and the new and planned constructions for the displaced New
Orleaneans as well as ourselves. I lost my home on the Mandeville Lakefront
as well as my office. Presently in an RV at the St. Tammany airport next to
my hangar.
Where are you posted presently?
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carter
Chapman
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:17 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Tired Aero Commanders
Hi Steve,
L31 St. Tammany. Do you know my old friend Paul Borgatti there? We used to
work together. 20+ years ago. I lived in Tchefuncta Estates.
Did you come out of Katrina OK?
No commander yet - still wishing.
Carter
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Carter
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7821#7821
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Stall Warning Heater |
Fellow Commander Folks,
My 680F(p) has heated fuel vents, stall warning horn switch, and air speed indicator
ram air inlet. When the heating elements are tested on the ground the stall
warning switch does not feel as hot as the fuel vents, and the fuel vents
do not feel as hot as the air speed indicator. The fuel vents feel plenty warm
to keep ice from forming on them, and the air speed indicators inlets feel
darn hot. My question is this: should the stall warning horn switch feel very
warm? It has always been warm enough to tell that it is working, however, by
no stretch of the imagination does it feel hot. Is this normal?
Thanx!
Moe
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the advice
that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
(mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
g, welcome aboard. mason 680fp 2001m
>From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:08:40 EST
>
>
>Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the advice
>that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
>questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
>(mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil
>
>
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
Fellow Commander Folks,
My 680F(p) has heated fuel vents, stall warning horn switch, and air speed
indicator ram air inlet. When the heating elements are tested on the ground
the stall warning switch does not feel as hot as the fuel vents, and fuel
vents do not feel as hot as the air speed indicator. The fuel vents feel
plenty warm to keep the ice from forming on them, and the air speed
indicators inlets feel darn hot. My question is this: should the stall
warning horn switch feel very warm? it has always been warm enough to tell
that it is working, however, by no stretch of the imagination does it feel
hot. Is this normal?
Thanx!
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: <WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
> Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the
advice
> that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
> questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
> (mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
Gil,
Welcome to the world of Commanders! You're going to love your airplane, and
there's a great crowd of people here on this list who can help you with any
question you might have.
Where in the country are you? You should add your location/pic to
http://www.frappr.com/aerocommander , and see who else on the list lives in
your part of the country.
Cheers,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
> Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the
> advice
> that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
> questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
> (mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil
>
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
What is this "Frappr" site all about?
I thought our site had a photo gallery, does our site not have the same
thing or is this site related some how.
I error I typed "frapper.com/aerocommander" and went to some search engine.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 16:08
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
> Gil,
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> Welcome to the world of Commanders! You're going to love your airplane,
and
> there's a great crowd of people here on this list who can help you with
any
> question you might have.
>
> Where in the country are you? You should add your location/pic to
> http://www.frappr.com/aerocommander , and see who else on the list lives
in
> your part of the country.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:08 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
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> > Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the
> > advice
> > that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
> > questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
> > (mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Interesting now that it finally loaded.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 17:32
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
> What is this "Frappr" site all about?
> I thought our site had a photo gallery, does our site not have the same
> thing or is this site related some how.
> I error I typed "frapper.com/aerocommander" and went to some search
engine.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 16:08
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
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> > Gil,
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> > Welcome to the world of Commanders! You're going to love your airplane,
> and
> > there's a great crowd of people here on this list who can help you with
> any
> > question you might have.
> >
> > Where in the country are you? You should add your location/pic to
> > http://www.frappr.com/aerocommander , and see who else on the list lives
> in
> > your part of the country.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > /John
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:08 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
> >
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> > > Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the
> > > advice
> > > that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
> > > questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
Hi Tom,
Aerocommander.com does have a photo gallery but I don't know what the
current status of that site is, or who is maintaining it; I don't know who
I'd send my pics to if I wanted them posted there.
http://www.frappr.com/aerocommander (notice no "E" in FRAPPR) isn't a site
with any depth; it's simply a map & photo gallery for each entrant. It's
more like a fancy phone book. I don't know who pointed us at it first, but
several of the guys have put their location & an accompanying pic there.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
>
> What is this "Frappr" site all about?
> I thought our site had a photo gallery, does our site not have the same
> thing or is this site related some how.
> I error I typed "frapper.com/aerocommander" and went to some search
> engine.
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 16:08
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>
>
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>> Gil,
>>
>> Welcome to the world of Commanders! You're going to love your airplane,
> and
>> there's a great crowd of people here on this list who can help you with
> any
>> question you might have.
>>
>> Where in the country are you? You should add your location/pic to
>> http://www.frappr.com/aerocommander , and see who else on the list lives
> in
>> your part of the country.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> /John
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:08 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Since I am a new 680 owner, I really enjoy and appreciate all of the
>> > advice
>> > that you take the time to share. Like most new owners I have a ton of
>> > questions. Hope you will answer them for me. _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
>> > (mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
In a message dated 1/30/2006 5:51:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
Aerocommander.com does have a photo gallery but I don't know what the
current status of that site is, or who is maintaining it;
There is some great news about the maintenance of the website coming very
soon!!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: Tired Aero Commanders |
| From: | "Carter Chapman" <carter(at)carterchapman.net> |
Sorry to be "off thread" - for the forum police!
Hi Steve,
I retired from Delta in '03 and I'm now in SEA as the Chief Pilot for a start-up
747 freight operation. First airplane is coming in two weeks, so my commander
searching is slowed waaaay down right now!
Sorry to hear about the damage - I'm sure I wouldn't recognize the area anyway
- I moved out in 1986. I sure miss Bernice's oyster artichoke soup at the Tchefuncta
Country Club!
Carter
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Plan to Save Bankrupt Airlines |
A Plan to save bankrupt airlines:
Replace all female flight attendants with some good-lookin' strippers! The attendants
have gotten old and haggard-looking anyway. They don't even serve food
anymore, so what's the loss?
The strippers would double, triple, perhaps quadruple the alcohol consumption and
get a "party atmosphere" going in the cabin. And, of course, every heterosexual
businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked
women.
Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings
would come to a screeching halt and the airline industry would see record
revenues.
Why didn't Bush think of this? Why do I still have to do everything myself?
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
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| From: | Craig Lundborg <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Plan to Save Bankrupt Airlines |
Thats why we have poker runs for the fast boats on the delta...Hooters work!
Craig
css nico wrote:
A Plan to save bankrupt airlines:
Replace all female flight attendants with some good-lookin' strippers! The attendants
have gotten old and haggard-looking anyway. They don't even serve food
anymore, so what's the loss?
The strippers would double, triple, perhaps quadruple the alcohol consumption and
get a "party atmosphere" going in the cabin. And, of course, every heterosexual
businessman in this country would start flying again, hoping to see naked
women.
Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked women. Hijackings
would come to a screeching halt and the airline industry would see record
revenues.
Why didn't Bush think of this? Why do I still have to do everything myself?
Sincerely,
Bill Clinton
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| From: | "Robert Sather" <sather(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Plan to Save Bankrupt Airlines |
Hooter's by my knowledge isn't bankrupt either. Always follow success.
Bobby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Plan to Save Bankrupt Airlines
>
>
> Thats why we have poker runs for the fast boats on the delta...Hooters
> work!
>
> Craig
>
> css nico wrote:
>
> A Plan to save bankrupt airlines:
>
> Replace all female flight attendants with some good-lookin' strippers! The
> attendants have gotten old and haggard-looking anyway. They don't even
> serve food anymore, so what's the loss?
>
> The strippers would double, triple, perhaps quadruple the alcohol
> consumption and get a "party atmosphere" going in the cabin. And, of
> course, every heterosexual businessman in this country would start flying
> again, hoping to see naked women.
>
> Muslims would be afraid to get on the planes for fear of seeing naked
> women. Hijackings would come to a screeching halt and the airline industry
> would see record revenues.
>
> Why didn't Bush think of this? Why do I still have to do everything
> myself?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Bill Clinton
>
>
>
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 01/28/06 |
John, I live in Brentwood,Tn. A suburb of Nashville. I have a 680 with 680E
engines and only have a few hours in the plane but love it.
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Commander Folks,
Does anyone have a web address (or other reference) where AN numbers can be looked
up. In other words, if I have an AN number it will tell me what it is.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Moe,
Try this: http://www.sacskyranch.com/mechanic_contents.htm
Steve G
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: AN part numbers
Commander Folks,
Does anyone have a web address (or other reference) where AN numbers can be
looked up. In other words, if I have an AN number it will tell me what it
is.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
Moe,
Just go to Google and type in the part number.
Mike
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
all, i have a new charcole carpet set for a short body commander if anyone
is interested. it is bound with velcro (2") attached for installation.
mason 817-877-4977 or 817-517-4977.
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)AOL.COM |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Who made it and how much?
Bill Leff
937-369-3334
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
> Who made it and how much?
I nominate Bill for the "most context free posting" award of the year. :-)
Chris
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
In these days of computer viruses it's the "no subject" ones that make me
nervous.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 12:34
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: (no subject)
>
>
> BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Who made it and how much?
>
> I nominate Bill for the "most context free posting" award of the year. :-)
>
> Chris
>
>
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
bl, i had it done here locally in fort worth. it is brand new, fully bound.
just finished double gluing 2" wide velcro strips for instalation. i have
$525. in it. mason price will include delivery.
>From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: (no subject)
>Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:19:05 EST
>
>
>Who made it and how much?
>
>Bill Leff
>937-369-3334
>
>
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
And then someone steps up knowing exactly what it's about. Just kills you,
y'know.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: (no subject)
>
> bl, i had it done here locally in fort worth. it is brand new, fully
bound.
> just finished double gluing 2" wide velcro strips for instalation. i
have
> $525. in it. mason price will include delivery.
>
>
> >From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Commander-List: Re: (no subject)
> >Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:19:05 EST
> >
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> >Who made it and how much?
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> >Bill Leff
> >937-369-3334
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Can I second the nomination or does my airplane need to be in running
condition?
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Schuermann
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: (no subject)
BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
> Who made it and how much?
I nominate Bill for the "most context free posting" award of the year. :-)
Chris
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | A Bunch of amateurs at work |
I found this in Avflash.
Sounds to me as if they were pretty long on courage and professionalism. The sheriff
not only lacked the equipment, but these two elements too.
Mission Accomplished
A couple of good Samaritans in California are caught in that awkward maw between
heroism and recklessness after some pretty interesting flying led to the
rescue of two 11-year-olds last week. Using night-vision goggles, pilot David
Gunsauls and helicopter owner Dan Kohrdt spotted Revina Dennis and her cousin
Austin Rogers on a lava-rock-strewn hillside miles away from the ground party
looking for them. Gunsauls toed the helicopter into the hillside while Korhdt
pulled the kids inside. Flush with the success of the rescue, it was backslaps
all around as the youngsters, who got lost while exploring the hills near Paradise,
Calif., were dropped off to their families in a school playing field. It
didn't take long for the local sheriff's office to distance itself from the
celebration. "We did not ask for, frankly, nor did we support [the freelance operation],"
Capt. Jerry Smith, head of the sheriff's department's aviation section.
"That was a non-sanctioned event." His team was waiting for daylight to
launch. Now, it's not that Smith is entirely heartless. He told the Paradise Post
the rescue "was a very heroic thing," but he also noted that if anything had
gone wrong it would have been his department held liable. "Anytime we establish
a relationship with a civilian component of the community, we assume responsibility
for their actions," Smith said. The helicopter was in radio contact
with the ground team.
At What Risk?
Smith said the nighttime toe-in maneuver was too risky. "I would not have allowed
our pilots to do that mission," he said. Korhdt heard about the missing
kids on the 11 p.m. TV news and called Gunsauls, who met him at the airport. Their
Bell 407 helicopter has both night-vision equipment and forward looking infrared
equipment (the sheriff's choppers have neither). They first found the
searchers and then "just followed the natural lay of the land" trying to put themselves
in the children's place in terms of choosing a route. They spotted the
pair glowing brightly in their night-vision goggles against the dull background
of the hillside and went to work. Pete Cunha, a local California Highway
Patrol pilot contacted by the newspaper, also said rescuers should have left the
task to experts. "It's not a game for amateurs," said Cunha. CHP has a couple
of night-capable Eurocopter 305s but won't fly them in rough terrain at night.
He said the authorities have to keep control of these types of operations
(even if they can't or won't participate in them). "If we allowed this kind of
thing to continue, for instance, could you imagine the onslaught of good-minded
people wanting to become involved in uncontrolled situations?" he said, likening
the incident to volunteers with hunting rifles showing up at a police standoff
wanting to help. "We simply could not have that."
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | W32.Blackmal.E (Kama Sutra) virus alert |
Folks,
Our servers were hit with a number of email messages this morning containing the
Kama Sutra virus. If you see any of the following characteristics in your email
messages, please take special care to delete them without trying to open the
attachments. Although there are many variations of this virus, those that we
received this morning had the following subject lines:
Pictures
Fw Pictures
MBA and ERP career
Re
Price
The sender is indicated as "prasad_j_2000".
The Kama Sutra virus will infect your computer when you attempt to open the attachment
and lie dormant in your computer until the 3rd of every month when it
will wreak havoc, just to go to sleep again until the following month.
Read more about it on Norton's site: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal.e@mm.html
If you believe you have been infected, the removal tool can be found here:
http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.blackmal@mm.removal.tool.html
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com> |
| Subject: | flaps and flexibility |
Nico,
I just saw this e-mail, sorry for the slow response.
At the annual Fly-Ins the guys/gals who get there early - mainly Captain Jim
Bob and basically everyone else who is there before you arrive - judge your
taxing. Whoever does the ugliest job of it, which apparently I did in 2005
at Marina, CA, wins the dang thing.
>From what I can tell - it's all political, there is nepotism involved,
price-fixing, bribery, and all other kinds of orneriness. The only good
thing for 2006 - my hanger is next to Commander-Aero and the only way I can
win it back to back is if they include "planes being parked by a tug!"
Just to be safe, I think I'll just have it parked outside Commaner Aeros's
hanger the day before JB gets there.
Bob Steele
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
Great history, Bob.
What's the golden rudder award, Bob?
Pardon my ignorance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
>
> I will second WCG's suggestion on Bill. And I speak from experience.
>
> I bought my Commander without having my ME rating. Dick Wartinger did the
> pre-buy for me and then hooked me up with Bill. At the time Bill was an
> MD-80 instructor at TWA (now American). Due to insurance requirements I
had
> to spend 25 hours with him and I can tell you he did everything in the
world
> to me - including pulling engines on take off roll - before and just after
> take off (and on hot days). Bill is definitely old school as well as new
> school. I think I was his first piston student in 20 years - so he
insisted
> on the best of the good-old-days as well as the new stuff of today.
>
> One of the best things he had me do was may make an actual single engine
> landing - not simulated - but feathered left engine out - and because of
his
> training it was a snap - and it was as if he had ESP. To make a long
story
> short - on my ME check ride (with a for-real FAA employee as the examiner)
I
> actually had to make a single engine landing. It was a very hot summer
day
> in August and we were 10 miles from the airport with the right engine out
> (long story there). Due to Bill's training I was not a bit nervous and
the
> landing at Lunken was a breeze - even taxied all the way back to the FBO
and
> parked her in an out of the way spot! (I got a discontinuance because the
> FAA man wanted two to see two more take offs and landings - which he got
out
> of me two weeks later.)
>
> Thanks to Dick Wartinger I now a have a great instructor and a friend.
>
> Bob Steele
> Prestigious Holder of the 2005 Golden Rudder Award
> Can't wait to give it to someone else in Dayton this summer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> cloudcraft(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:33 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
>
>
> Outstanding advice from Bill Leff.
>
> Since Mr. Leff brought up the icy runway idea ... the ONLY time I'd
> use less than full flaps when landing a Twin Commander was if I was
> carrying airframe ice on the approach. Full flaps could aggravate a
> tail plane stall.
>
> I wonder if anyone else caught the very sublte but very important
> hint: Bill Leff is offering Commander Training. If I was looking for
> Commander training, I'd go to him (and I used to make my living doing
> Commander training!).
>
> I've landed in snarling, ripping, Santa Anas tumbleweed blowing,
> sand-blasting, 90 degree cross winds in a Commander. Full flaps.
> Differential power does the trick, coupled with that nice high wing
> that allows all the side slip bank angle you could ever want.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Imperial Meat Pie? Bill Hamilton, I may print and frame your Oz
> Aviation History post!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
>
>
> I recommend full flaps on all landings except maybe very icy runways.
> Use
> differential power when exceeding more than 1/2 rudder travel. When on
> the
> ground the aircraft has a negative angle of attack and sticks quite
> well.
> Raising the flaps after touchdown helps some but they retract so slow
> you will
> be
> stopped before they are completely up.
>
> Bill Leff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com> |
| Subject: | flaps and flexibility |
Nico,
I just saw this e-mail, sorry for the slow response.
At the annual Fly-Ins the guys/gals who get there early - mainly Captain Jim
Bob and basically everyone else who is there before you arrive - judge your
taxing. Whoever does the ugliest job of it, which apparently I did in 2005
at Marina, CA, wins the dang thing.
>From what I can tell - it's all political, there is nepotism involved,
price-fixing, bribery, and all other kinds of orneriness. The only good
thing for 2006 - my hanger is next to Commander-Aero and the only way I can
win it back to back is if they include "planes being parked by a tug!"
Just to be safe, I think I'll just have it parked outside Commaner Aeros's
hanger the day before JB gets there.
Bob Steele
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
Great history, Bob.
What's the golden rudder award, Bob?
Pardon my ignorance.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
>
> I will second WCG's suggestion on Bill. And I speak from experience.
>
> I bought my Commander without having my ME rating. Dick Wartinger did the
> pre-buy for me and then hooked me up with Bill. At the time Bill was an
> MD-80 instructor at TWA (now American). Due to insurance requirements I
had
> to spend 25 hours with him and I can tell you he did everything in the
world
> to me - including pulling engines on take off roll - before and just after
> take off (and on hot days). Bill is definitely old school as well as new
> school. I think I was his first piston student in 20 years - so he
insisted
> on the best of the good-old-days as well as the new stuff of today.
>
> One of the best things he had me do was may make an actual single engine
> landing - not simulated - but feathered left engine out - and because of
his
> training it was a snap - and it was as if he had ESP. To make a long
story
> short - on my ME check ride (with a for-real FAA employee as the examiner)
I
> actually had to make a single engine landing. It was a very hot summer
day
> in August and we were 10 miles from the airport with the right engine out
> (long story there). Due to Bill's training I was not a bit nervous and
the
> landing at Lunken was a breeze - even taxied all the way back to the FBO
and
> parked her in an out of the way spot! (I got a discontinuance because the
> FAA man wanted two to see two more take offs and landings - which he got
out
> of me two weeks later.)
>
> Thanks to Dick Wartinger I now a have a great instructor and a friend.
>
> Bob Steele
> Prestigious Holder of the 2005 Golden Rudder Award
> Can't wait to give it to someone else in Dayton this summer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> cloudcraft(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:33 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
>
>
> Outstanding advice from Bill Leff.
>
> Since Mr. Leff brought up the icy runway idea ... the ONLY time I'd
> use less than full flaps when landing a Twin Commander was if I was
> carrying airframe ice on the approach. Full flaps could aggravate a
> tail plane stall.
>
> I wonder if anyone else caught the very sublte but very important
> hint: Bill Leff is offering Commander Training. If I was looking for
> Commander training, I'd go to him (and I used to make my living doing
> Commander training!).
>
> I've landed in snarling, ripping, Santa Anas tumbleweed blowing,
> sand-blasting, 90 degree cross winds in a Commander. Full flaps.
> Differential power does the trick, coupled with that nice high wing
> that allows all the side slip bank angle you could ever want.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Imperial Meat Pie? Bill Hamilton, I may print and frame your Oz
> Aviation History post!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: flaps and flexibility
>
>
> I recommend full flaps on all landings except maybe very icy runways.
> Use
> differential power when exceeding more than 1/2 rudder travel. When on
> the
> ground the aircraft has a negative angle of attack and sticks quite
> well.
> Raising the flaps after touchdown helps some but they retract so slow
> you will
> be
> stopped before they are completely up.
>
> Bill Leff
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
The end of a Grand old Gal. I think among the many things she could talk
about, is that she brought the Shaw of Iran out of Iran and flew him to
exile in Panama, I think.
All that damage to the upper fuselage and still the tail stayed on. Only
the Douglas Commercial model 8.
http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2006/02/08/vo.pa.ups.plane.fire.affl
/video.ws.asx?NGUserID=false
<http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2006/02/08/vo.pa.ups.plane.fire.aff
l/video.ws.asx?NGUserID=false&adDEmas=false> &adDEmas=false
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Grand old Gal |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
On 2/8/06 4:41 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
>
> The end of a Grand old Gal. I think among the many things she could talk
> about, is that she brought the Shaw of Iran out of Iran and flew him to
> exile in Panama, I think.
>
>
>
> All that damage to the upper fuselage and still the tail stayed on. Only
> the Douglas Commercial model 8.
>
So that was an 8-73?
Crew anyone we know? Are they alright?
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/My_Commanders.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Crew is all right. I don't know who it was.
Actually it was a DC-8-71.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal
Schilmeister (iMac)
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Grand old Gal
On 2/8/06 4:41 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
>
> The end of a Grand old Gal. I think among the many things she could talk
> about, is that she brought the Shaw of Iran out of Iran and flew him to
> exile in Panama, I think.
>
>
>
> All that damage to the upper fuselage and still the tail stayed on. Only
> the Douglas Commercial model 8.
>
So that was an 8-73?
Crew anyone we know? Are they alright?
--
Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet
St. Louis, Missouri USA
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/My_Commanders.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Hello all,
Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to replace the bungees on that side
as the Skydrol saturated the existing bungees.
Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does anyone have any or know of a source?
Thanks.
Tom F.
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Spruce
Part Number 9044
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to replace the bungees on
> that side as the Skydrol saturated the existing bungees.
>
> Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does anyone have any or know of
> a source?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
Regards,
Donnie Rose
--- Tom Fisher wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> saturated the existing bungees.
>
> Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> anyone have any or know of a source?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom F.
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Tom.
My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has been
very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today, tell
me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
Regards,
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> Regards,
> Donnie Rose
>
> --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> > saturated the existing bungees.
> >
> > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> > anyone have any or know of a source?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> >
> > Admin.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Donnie Rose
> 205/492-8444
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Harry,
Are they considered "approved" parts?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 13:54
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Spruce
> Part Number 9044
> Harry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:05 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to replace the bungees on
> > that side as the Skydrol saturated the existing bungees.
> >
> > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does anyone have any or know
of
> > a source?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Tom F.
> > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Aircraft Spruce
Part number is 9044 cost less than $20.00 Each
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Tom.
>
> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
> been
> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today, tell
> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>> Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>> There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>> bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>> Regards,
>> Donnie Rose
>>
>> --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>> > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>> > saturated the existing bungees.
>> >
>> > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>> > anyone have any or know of a source?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Tom F.
>> > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > browse
>> > Subscriptions page,
>> > FAQ,
>> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> >
>> > Admin.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Donnie Rose
>> 205/492-8444
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Yes Sir
Dont let any body make them unless thay are PMA
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> Harry,
> Are they considered "approved" parts?
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 13:54
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>> Spruce
>> Part Number 9044
>> Harry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:05 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to replace the bungees
>> > on
>> > that side as the Skydrol saturated the existing bungees.
>> >
>> > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does anyone have any or know
> of
>> > a source?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Tom F.
>> > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)AOL.COM |
Wag-Aero 800-558-6868 has shock cords for all models of the Aero-Commander.
Ken Hyde
N47AC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
Aircraft Spruce 877 477-7823 has #9044 shock cords
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
2 in stock @ $22.15 ea.
Tank you.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <KenWHyde(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Wag-Aero 800-558-6868 has shock cords for all models of the
Aero-Commander.
>
> Ken Hyde
> N47AC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
None in stock until next week @ $15.50 ea.
Thanks again.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <KenWHyde(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 12:04
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Aircraft Spruce 877 477-7823 has #9044 shock cords
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lundborg <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Oil Filter conversion |
Anyone have a source for a conversion to install a spin on oil filter direct
to a IO-470 in my 500A?
Craig Lundborg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Alan Kucheck <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter conversion |
Craig:
This is what I used on my IO-470 on my Debonair. I now have the version for
the -520s on my 500A Colemill. Love 'em.
ak
http://www.fm-enterprises.com/product.html
On 2/10/06, Craig Lundborg wrote:
>
> dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net>
>
> Anyone have a source for a conversion to install a spin on oil filter
> direct to a IO-470 in my 500A?
>
> Craig Lundborg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter conversion |
Craig,
We did it on my 680F(p) with IGSO540B engines with a one time field
approval. Fairly quick and easy. If you want additional info. email me.
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Oil Filter conversion
>
> Anyone have a source for a conversion to install a spin on oil filter
direct to a IO-470 in my 500A?
>
> Craig Lundborg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lundborg <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Generator bracket |
My generator bracket has broken at the point where the eng. mount
sits...anyone on the west coast carry these?
Craig Lundborg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | If Ted Smith were Italian... |
I like my coffee. Ive been though a bunch of grinders over the years and
finally got fed up with crap. I went searching for the last coffee grinder
I would ever buy it had to be overbuilt, hunky, hard-core. I found what I
wanted in an "Italian job" from Mazzer. It stands 18 tall, weighs 22 lbs,
has a 1/3HP direct drive motor [must be a 500A/B/S/U model!] and comes with
a warning: Intended for skilled personnel only. Here is a picture:
http://www.corpespresso.co.nz/mazzer_mini.jpg
As I was looking at it this AM, marveling at how incredibly strong and
well-built this thing is, I said to my wife,
If Ted Smith were Italian, this is the grinder he would have built for his
espresso."
So, here we go, I thought it might be fun to get some nominations for other
gear that Ted Smith might have designed if history had been different. Do
you have things so well-designed, so strong, so "classic and right" that, in
their own arena, they have that Ted Smith quality and feel?
Alan
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Generator bracket |
Craig,
Call Jack Chappell (Commander Dock) in Riverside, CA. 1.951.371.7513. He
has more Commadner parts than anyone west of the Mississippi.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Lundborg" <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Generator bracket
>
> My generator bracket has broken at the point where the eng.
mount sits...anyone on the west coast carry these?
>
> Craig Lundborg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
That's certainly one mean looking sucker, Alan. I bet the coffee also just
tastes better - like the difference between flying and taking a trip in a
Commander. They both get you there, but, man, is there a difference!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Commander-List: If Ted Smith were Italian...
>
> I like my coffee. Ive been though a bunch of grinders over the years and
> finally got fed up with crap. I went searching for the last coffee
grinder
> I would ever buy it had to be overbuilt, hunky, hard-core. I found what
I
> wanted in an "Italian job" from Mazzer. It stands 18 tall, weighs 22 lbs,
> has a 1/3HP direct drive motor [must be a 500A/B/S/U model!] and comes
with
> a warning: Intended for skilled personnel only. Here is a picture:
>
> http://www.corpespresso.co.nz/mazzer_mini.jpg
>
> As I was looking at it this AM, marveling at how incredibly strong and
> well-built this thing is, I said to my wife,
>
> If Ted Smith were Italian, this is the grinder he would have built for his
> espresso."
>
> So, here we go, I thought it might be fun to get some nominations for
other
> gear that Ted Smith might have designed if history had been different. Do
> you have things so well-designed, so strong, so "classic and right" that,
in
> their own arena, they have that Ted Smith quality and feel?
>
> Alan
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Rules Of Engagement |
one of our commanders suffered tail damage from a hangar door during the last hurricane
and we need to know where to buy the stablizer skin (this is not the
smooth skin) to refinish it. anyone know where it might be available? al hoffman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
In a message dated 11-Feb-06 16:15:16 Pacific Standard Time,
akucheck(at)gmail.com writes:
So, here we go, I thought it might be fun to get some nominations for other
gear that Ted Smith might have designed if history had been different.
<><><><>
Alan,
I've given this some considerable thought. My conclusion is that Ted Smith
did not venture outside of aviation and this is precisely what's wrong with the
world.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
G'day Folks,
If Ted Smith had built "ride on mowers" or tractors I reckon he would have
had the John Deere range.
I love my green and gold John Deere!
Cheers
Russell
(PS Still searching for a 560E/500/680E...not necessarily green/gold!)
---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:13:48 -0800
>From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
>Subject: Commander-List: If Ted Smith were Italian...
>To:
>
-- Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" &
lt;akucheck(at)gmail.com
I like my coffee. Ive been though a bunch of grinders over the years
and
finally got fed up with crap. I went searching for the last coffee
grinder
I would ever buy it had to be overbuilt, hunky, hard-core. I found
what I
wanted in an "Italian job" from Mazzer. It stands 18 tall, weighs 22 lbs,
has a 1/3HP direct drive motor [must be a 500A/B/S/U model!] and
comes with
a warning: Intended for skilled personnel only. Here is a picture:
http://www.corpespresso.co.nz/mazzer_mini.jpg
As I was looking at it this AM, marveling at how incredibly strong and
well-built this thing is, I said to my wife,
If Ted Smith were Italian, this is the grinder he would have built for his
espresso."
So, here we go, I thought it might be fun to get some nominations for
other
gear that Ted Smith might have designed if history had been different.
Do
you have things so well-designed, so strong, so "classic and right" that,
in
their own arena, they have that Ted Smith quality and feel?
Alan
--
================
================
================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Rules Of Engagement |
I Have complete rudder and the elevators
Rudder $*50.00, Elevator 1000.00
Complete vertical, we can drill off, I also have some new corrugated skin.
Let me know what you need
Harry 321-267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Rules Of Engagement
>
> one of our commanders suffered tail damage from a hangar door during the
> last hurricane and we need to know where to buy the stablizer skin (this
> is not the smooth skin) to refinish it. anyone know where it might be
> available? al hoffman
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Anybody have Richard Thompson's Oz phone number? My partner down under
needs to call him.
Thanks,
Steve G
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:36:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au writes:
(PS Still searching for a 560E/500/680E...
RUSSELL.
How serious are you about finding one here?? I know of a pretty
good 680 that was converted to an "E". It is the first Commander I actually
touched. It is not far from me and seriously for sale. It would need lots of
work to make it "cherry" but not to much to put it in annual. Does your FAA
require complete logs?? How about engine overhauls?? If you are really
interested in the project of taking a Commander to Oz, let me know. Love, jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter conversion |
In a message dated 2/10/2006 1:06:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
Anyone have a source for a conversion to install a spin on oil filter direct
to a IO-470 in my 500A?
I think that can be done from continental?? Anybody know?? It would be an
engine mod rather than an airframe mod. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
JB,
Is this 680 the one up in Puyallup, WA?
I will be in Puyallup for the Washington Aviation show. We are
displaying our Aviation Fuel Tanks.
Tylor Hall
On Feb 13, 2006, at 9:42 PM, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/2006 11:36:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au writes:
>
> (PS Still searching for a 560E/500/680E...
>
>
> RUSSELL.
>
> How serious are you about finding one here?? I know of a
> pretty
> good 680 that was converted to an "E". It is the first Commander
> I actually
> touched. It is not far from me and seriously for sale. It would
> need lots of
> work to make it "cherry" but not to much to put it in annual.
> Does your FAA
> require complete logs?? How about engine overhauls?? If you are
> really
> interested in the project of taking a Commander to Oz, let me
> know. Love, jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
Folks,
But don't use your Lawngator to tow an AT-28D, the 'gator just
doesn't weigh very much, which is, I guess, is why it is so good
across soft turf.
No! It wasn't me that tried it, my old Clark would tow a 737.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 18:32 13/02/2006, you wrote:
>
>G'day Folks,
>
>If Ted Smith had built "ride on mowers" or tractors I reckon he would have
>had the John Deere range.
>
>I love my green and gold John Deere!
>
>Cheers
>
>Russell
>(PS Still searching for a 560E/500/680E...not necessarily green/gold!)
>
>
>---- Original message ----
> >Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:13:48 -0800
> >From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
> >Subject: Commander-List: If Ted Smith were Italian...
> >To:
> >
>-- Commander-List message posted by: "Alan Kucheck" &
>lt;akucheck(at)gmail.com
>
>I like my coffee. Ive been though a bunch of grinders over the years
>and
>finally got fed up with crap. I went searching for the last coffee
>grinder
>I would ever buy it had to be overbuilt, hunky, hard-core. I found
>what I
>wanted in an "Italian job" from Mazzer. It stands 18 tall, weighs 22 lbs,
>has a 1/3HP direct drive motor [must be a 500A/B/S/U model!] and
>comes with
>a warning: Intended for skilled personnel only. Here is a picture:
>
>http://www.corpespresso.co.nz/mazzer_mini.jpg
>
>As I was looking at it this AM, marveling at how incredibly strong and
>well-built this thing is, I said to my wife,
>
>If Ted Smith were Italian, this is the grinder he would have built for his
>espresso."
>
>So, here we go, I thought it might be fun to get some nominations for
>other
>gear that Ted Smith might have designed if history had been different.
>Do
>you have things so well-designed, so strong, so "classic and right" that,
>in
>their own arena, they have that Ted Smith quality and feel?
>
>Alan
>
>--
>
>
>================
>================
>================
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Rules Of Engagement |
Harry,
Is the new corrugated skin the Aero Commander profile, or the
"Cessna" profile, please.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 23:30 13/02/2006, you wrote:
>
>I Have complete rudder and the elevators
>Rudder $*50.00, Elevator 1000.00
>Complete vertical, we can drill off, I also have some new corrugated skin.
>Let me know what you need
>Harry 321-267-3141
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:08 AM
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Rules Of Engagement
>
>
> >
> > one of our commanders suffered tail damage from a hangar door during the
> > last hurricane and we need to know where to buy the stablizer skin (this
> > is not the smooth skin) to refinish it. anyone know where it might be
> > available? al hoffman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,
Try 02 9888 5797 or 0412 288 061 from inside Australia, or:
+61 2 9888 5797 or +61 412 288 061.
I spoke to Richard several weeks ago, he is spending quite a bit of
time outside the country on business.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 14:01 14/02/2006, you wrote:
>
>Anybody have Richard Thompson's Oz phone number? My partner down under
>needs to call him.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve G
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Oil Filter conversion |
Folks,
I have spin on's on my IO 470's, but for the life of me, I can't
remember the name. They came with an STC for fitting, they just screw
in to the same hole as the oil screen.
An alternative is a remote filter, Wolf or similar, but that us a lot
more work, because real estate dictates mounting the filter in the wheel well.
Try Googling oil filters for IO-470, and I think Spruce carry them.
Also try www.fm-enterprises.com/
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 15:44 14/02/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>In a message dated 2/10/2006 1:06:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>Anyone have a source for a conversion to install a spin on oil filter direct
>to a IO-470 in my 500A?
>
>
>I think that can be done from continental?? Anybody know?? It would be an
>engine mod rather than an airframe mod. jb
>
>
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| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Bill,
Thanks for the quick help. Will get to Michael this morning.
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Contact
Folks,
Try 02 9888 5797 or 0412 288 061 from inside Australia, or:
+61 2 9888 5797 or +61 412 288 061.
I spoke to Richard several weeks ago, he is spending quite a bit of
time outside the country on business.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 14:01 14/02/2006, you wrote:
>
>Anybody have Richard Thompson's Oz phone number? My partner down under
>needs to call him.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steve G
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
anyone know what the real deal is?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Tom.
>
> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
been
> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today, tell
> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> > Regards,
> > Donnie Rose
> >
> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> > > saturated the existing bungees.
> > >
> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> > >
> > > Admin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Donnie Rose
> > 205/492-8444
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Tom,
I'm not an A&P (nor Engineer as they're called elsewhere) but every 6 months
seems a bit excessive.
Every annual should be good -- especially in a cool climate such as yours.
I do advocate pulling the bungees around a few inches every time you go out
to fly so you don't end up with "flat spots" on them.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi Guys,
I've been following your discussions about the bungees, and thought I'd add
my 2 cents. Morris Kernick has been replacing my bungees at each annual
inspection. The cost has been around $20.00 each. I am not aware of any
requirement that they should be replaced sooner.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
anyone know what the real deal is?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Tom.
>
> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
been
> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today, tell
> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> > Regards,
> > Donnie Rose
> >
> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> > > saturated the existing bungees.
> > >
> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> > >
> > > Admin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Donnie Rose
> > 205/492-8444
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Tom;
Mechanic tell me every 24 months, and that is what he does on my 560-E. He
does a very good job of staying on top of things and he is both an A&P and
an AI.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
> anyone know what the real deal is?
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
> been
>> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
>> tell
>> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Moe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>
>> >
>> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>> > Regards,
>> > Donnie Rose
>> >
>> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > >
>> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>> > > saturated the existing bungees.
>> > >
>> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Tom F.
>> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > browse
>> > > Subscriptions page,
>> > > FAQ,
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> > >
>> > > Admin.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Donnie Rose
>> > 205/492-8444
>> >
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| From: | <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
On Condition!
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
> anyone know what the real deal is?
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
> been
>> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
>> tell
>> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Moe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>
>> >
>> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>> > Regards,
>> > Donnie Rose
>> >
>> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > >
>> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>> > > saturated the existing bungees.
>> > >
>> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Tom F.
>> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > browse
>> > > Subscriptions page,
>> > > FAQ,
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> > >
>> > > Admin.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Donnie Rose
>> > 205/492-8444
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
+1 to Randy's statement. Morris does mine at annual too.
Also, thanks Keith, you've reminded me that I've been remiss in my
pre-flight duties. I probably only spin the bungees about 2x/year, and I
should do it on every flight. I'll add that to the list.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> Hi Guys,
> I've been following your discussions about the bungees, and thought I'd
> add
> my 2 cents. Morris Kernick has been replacing my bungees at each annual
> inspection. The cost has been around $20.00 each. I am not aware of any
> requirement that they should be replaced sooner.
>
> Randy Dettmer
> 680F/N6253X
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> Fisher
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>
>
> I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
> anyone know what the real deal is?
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
> been
>> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
>> tell
>> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Moe
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>
>> >
>> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>> > Regards,
>> > Donnie Rose
>> >
>> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > >
>> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>> > > saturated the existing bungees.
>> > >
>> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Tom F.
>> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > browse
>> > > Subscriptions page,
>> > > FAQ,
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> > >
>> > > Admin.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> >
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>> > Donnie Rose
>> > 205/492-8444
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Thanks for that, an annual cycle seems more reasonable, I do currently pull
them around that is how I noticed the weakness in the Skydrol exposed ones.
Vancouver (West Coast), excuse me, is not a cool climate it is a temperate
climate where the temperature variation is small due to the proximity to the
ocean, and never sees scorching days.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 09:17
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Tom,
> I'm not an A&P (nor Engineer as they're called elsewhere) but every 6
months
> seems a bit excessive.
>
> Every annual should be good -- especially in a cool climate such as yours.
>
> I do advocate pulling the bungees around a few inches every time you go
out
> to fly so you don't end up with "flat spots" on them.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
OK guys,
I now have;
1 vote for 6 months,
2 votes for 12 months,
1 vote for 24 months,
1 vote for "on condition",
I like "on condition"
But what is legal?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:42
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> +1 to Randy's statement. Morris does mine at annual too.
>
> Also, thanks Keith, you've reminded me that I've been remiss in my
> pre-flight duties. I probably only spin the bungees about 2x/year, and I
> should do it on every flight. I'll add that to the list.
>
> /J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> > I've been following your discussions about the bungees, and thought I'd
> > add
> > my 2 cents. Morris Kernick has been replacing my bungees at each annual
> > inspection. The cost has been around $20.00 each. I am not aware of
any
> > requirement that they should be replaced sooner.
> >
> > Randy Dettmer
> > 680F/N6253X
> >
> > Dettmer Architecture
> > 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> > www.dettmerarchitecture.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
> > Fisher
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
> > anyone know what the real deal is?
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Tom.
> >>
> >> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
> > been
> >> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
> >> tell
> >> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Moe
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> >
> >> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> >> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> >> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Donnie Rose
> >> >
> >> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello all,
> >> > >
> >> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> >> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> >> > > saturated the existing bungees.
> >> > >
> >> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> >> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tom F.
> >> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > browse
> >> > > Subscriptions page,
> >> > > FAQ,
> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> >> > >
> >> > > Admin.
> >> > >
> >> > >
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 14-Feb-06 10:48:40 Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
Vancouver (West Coast), excuse me, is not a cool climate it is a temperate
climate where the temperature variation is small due to the proximity to the
ocean, and never sees scorching days.
Come park your Commander in Las Vegas this summer and you will agree that
Vancouver is a cool climate.
And it's a cool place, besides.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
I think 500 Hours is the recommended time to replace the bungees. However,
that is part of the safety feature that Ted Smith designed into the
Commander, it helps that little bottle of air overlock the gear in a Hyd.
loss situation. I think I would go with the Annual replacement and
Cloudcraft's procedure of repositioning them a few inches periodically.
Jerry S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> OK guys,
> I now have;
> 1 vote for 6 months,
> 2 votes for 12 months,
> 1 vote for 24 months,
> 1 vote for "on condition",
>
> I like "on condition"
> But what is legal?
>
> Tom F.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:42
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>> +1 to Randy's statement. Morris does mine at annual too.
>>
>> Also, thanks Keith, you've reminded me that I've been remiss in my
>> pre-flight duties. I probably only spin the bungees about 2x/year, and I
>> should do it on every flight. I'll add that to the list.
>>
>> /J
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:26 AM
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Guys,
>> > I've been following your discussions about the bungees, and thought I'd
>> > add
>> > my 2 cents. Morris Kernick has been replacing my bungees at each
>> > annual
>> > inspection. The cost has been around $20.00 each. I am not aware of
> any
>> > requirement that they should be replaced sooner.
>> >
>> > Randy Dettmer
>> > 680F/N6253X
>> >
>> > Dettmer Architecture
>> > 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>> > www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
>> > Fisher
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
>> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
>> > anyone know what the real deal is?
>> > Tom F.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
>> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Tom.
>> >>
>> >> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge
>> >> has
>> > been
>> >> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
>> >> tell
>> >> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Moe
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
>> >> To:
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>> >> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>> >> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Donnie Rose
>> >> >
>> >> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hello all,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>> >> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>> >> > > saturated the existing bungees.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>> >> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Tom F.
>> >> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > browse
>> >> > > Subscriptions page,
>> >> > > FAQ,
>> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Admin.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
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>> >> > 205/492-8444
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| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
To all:
The following Link is the Manufacturer of the Bungees.
http://www.sbcindustries.com/
Jerry S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>
> I think 500 Hours is the recommended time to replace the bungees. However,
> that is part of the safety feature that Ted Smith designed into the
> Commander, it helps that little bottle of air overlock the gear in a Hyd.
> loss situation. I think I would go with the Annual replacement and
> Cloudcraft's procedure of repositioning them a few inches periodically.
>
> Jerry S.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>>
>>
>> OK guys,
>> I now have;
>> 1 vote for 6 months,
>> 2 votes for 12 months,
>> 1 vote for 24 months,
>> 1 vote for "on condition",
>>
>> I like "on condition"
>> But what is legal?
>>
>> Tom F.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:42
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 to Randy's statement. Morris does mine at annual too.
>>>
>>> Also, thanks Keith, you've reminded me that I've been remiss in my
>>> pre-flight duties. I probably only spin the bungees about 2x/year, and I
>>> should do it on every flight. I'll add that to the list.
>>>
>>> /J
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:26 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Guys,
>>> > I've been following your discussions about the bungees, and thought
>>> > I'd
>>> > add
>>> > my 2 cents. Morris Kernick has been replacing my bungees at each
>>> > annual
>>> > inspection. The cost has been around $20.00 each. I am not aware of
>> any
>>> > requirement that they should be replaced sooner.
>>> >
>>> > Randy Dettmer
>>> > 680F/N6253X
>>> >
>>> > Dettmer Architecture
>>> > 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>>> > www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
>>> > Fisher
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
>>> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
>>> > anyone know what the real deal is?
>>> > Tom F.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>>> > To:
>>> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
>>> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Tom.
>>> >>
>>> >> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge
>>> >> has
>>> > been
>>> >> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
>>> >> tell
>>> >> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Moe
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
>>> >> To:
>>> >> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>>> >> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>>> >> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>>> >> > Regards,
>>> >> > Donnie Rose
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Hello all,
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>>> >> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>>> >> > > saturated the existing bungees.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>>> >> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Tom F.
>>> >> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > browse
>>> >> > > Subscriptions page,
>>> >> > > FAQ,
>>> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Admin.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Donnie Rose
>>> >> > 205/492-8444
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>
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: If Ted Smith were Italian... |
In a message dated 2/13/2006 9:35:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
Is this 680 the one up in Puyallup, WA?
No, this one s in outhern WA and is hangared. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
My shop manual says:
"Bungees must be maintained in good condition and replaced every six months.
Rings that have frayed housings or have been in contact with rubber
deteriorating solvents or oils must be replaced."
That said, at six months here in Southern California their condition has
justified replacement; we always do it at annual.
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
anyone know what the real deal is?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Tom.
>
> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
been
> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today, tell
> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> > Regards,
> > Donnie Rose
> >
> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> > > saturated the existing bungees.
> > >
> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> > >
> > > Admin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Donnie Rose
> > 205/492-8444
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Lundborg <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net> |
6 months to a year,
I look at where they live...then act accordingly! And I just bought my 500A but ordered new bungees to be ready...from www.sacskyranch.com
Craig 1260B
Alan Kucheck wrote:
My shop manual says:
"Bungees must be maintained in good condition and replaced every six months.
Rings that have frayed housings or have been in contact with rubber
deteriorating solvents or oils must be replaced."
That said, at six months here in Southern California their condition has
justified replacement; we always do it at annual.
ak
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
anyone know what the real deal is?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe"
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> Tom.
>
> My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
been
> very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today, tell
> me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donnie Rose"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> > Regards,
> > Donnie Rose
> >
> > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> > > saturated the existing bungees.
> > >
> > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> > > anyone have any or know of a source?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> > >
> > > Admin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Donnie Rose
> > 205/492-8444
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
There you have it "6 months" as per the shop manual.
That is what the insurance company would look at when the wheel doesn't
rotate for landing.
I am sort of amazed that we were all over the map with reference to
mandatory time interval of service.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 20:42
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
>
> My shop manual says:
>
> "Bungees must be maintained in good condition and replaced every six
months.
> Rings that have frayed housings or have been in contact with rubber
> deteriorating solvents or oils must be replaced."
>
> That said, at six months here in Southern California their condition has
> justified replacement; we always do it at annual.
>
> ak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>
> I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
> anyone know what the real deal is?
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
> >
> > Tom.
> >
> > My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
> been
> > very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
tell
> > me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
> > > There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
> > > bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
> > > Regards,
> > > Donnie Rose
> > >
> > > --- Tom Fisher wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
> > > > replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
> > > > saturated the existing bungees.
> > > >
> > > > Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
> > > > anyone have any or know of a source?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Tom F.
> > > > C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > browse
> > > > Subscriptions page,
> > > > FAQ,
> > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> > > >
> > > > Admin.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Donnie Rose
> > > 205/492-8444
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
> --
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
Does the straight 500 have the same requirements for bungees as the
later models?? ( Since the wheels do'nt rotate)
Roland
Tom Fisher wrote:
>
>There you have it "6 months" as per the shop manual.
>That is what the insurance company would look at when the wheel doesn't
>rotate for landing.
>I am sort of amazed that we were all over the map with reference to
>mandatory time interval of service.
>Tom F.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 20:42
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
>
>
>
>
>>
>>My shop manual says:
>>
>>"Bungees must be maintained in good condition and replaced every six
>>
>>
>months.
>
>
>>Rings that have frayed housings or have been in contact with rubber
>>deteriorating solvents or oils must be replaced."
>>
>>That said, at six months here in Southern California their condition has
>>justified replacement; we always do it at annual.
>>
>>ak
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:08 AM
>>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>>
>>I was told that the bungees have to be replaced every six months, does
>>anyone know what the real deal is?
>>Tom F.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>>To:
>>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 06:59
>>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Tom.
>>>
>>>My guy has been replacing them every year at annual, and the charge has
>>>
>>>
>>been
>>
>>
>>>very minimal. If you do not get an answer from another member today,
>>>
>>>
>tell
>
>
>>>me and I will get the name and contact information Monday morning.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Moe
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Donnie Rose" <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
>>>To:
>>>Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 6:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Good Morning Mr. Fisher,
>>>>There isa a place in Mississipi that custom builds the
>>>>bungees. I will talk with someone today for the name.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Donnie Rose
>>>>
>>>>--- Tom Fisher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that I have my Skydrol leak plugged I need to
>>>>>replace the bungees on that side as the Skydrol
>>>>>saturated the existing bungees.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right now I only need one set (2 bungees) does
>>>>>anyone have any or know of a source?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom F.
>>>>>C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>browse
>>>>>Subscriptions page,
>>>>>FAQ,
>>>>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>>>>
>>>>>Admin.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Donnie Rose
>>>>205/492-8444
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
There is no requirement! On Condition is correct but, 24 mo should be max.
It will be different depending on the climate or if the aircraft is kept in a
hangar or tied outside. Do they regularly get oil or hydraulic fluid on them?
Bottom Line: If they don't look good, replace them!!!
It is cheap insurance
Bill Leff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
Which shop manual says that? It would be a great reference.
In the most recent 150 hour program for the 690 series it says "Down Lock
Bungee- Inspect for fraying and deterioration. Squeeze the bungee with thumb
and forefinger, if contact can be made, replace bungee." No calendar time is
specified.
That is the most recent revision dated August 9,2002.
Bill Leff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
The manual I quoted from is my 500A Maintenance manual. Dates are:
Reissued: April 2, 1962
Changed: November 7, 1980
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
Which shop manual says that? It would be a great reference.
In the most recent 150 hour program for the 690 series it says "Down Lock
Bungee- Inspect for fraying and deterioration. Squeeze the bungee with
thumb
and forefinger, if contact can be made, replace bungee." No calendar time
is
specified.
That is the most recent revision dated August 9,2002.
Bill Leff
--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
FYI - I have the same notation in my Model 680F Maintenance Manual, revised
April15, 1977. The notation is highlighted under a box that says "caution",
in the section on the "Main Landing Gear".
Randy Dettmer
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Alan
Kucheck
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bungees
The manual I quoted from is my 500A Maintenance manual. Dates are:
Reissued: April 2, 1962
Changed: November 7, 1980
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bungees
Which shop manual says that? It would be a great reference.
In the most recent 150 hour program for the 690 series it says "Down Lock
Bungee- Inspect for fraying and deterioration. Squeeze the bungee with
thumb
and forefinger, if contact can be made, replace bungee." No calendar time
is
specified.
That is the most recent revision dated August 9,2002.
Bill Leff
--
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 2/16/2006 10:33:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
BillLeff1(at)aol.com writes:
No calendar time is
specified.
Thanks Bill. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I received this, this morning. I'm not sure how many of you were here when
Urs occasionally contributed. He owned a 500A(a real one).
Bilbo
========================================================
Dear Friends and Collegues of Urs
Urs died last sunday the 11. February 2006 at the hospital in Lucerne,
Switzerland. He had no pain and only in the last 24 hours he was not able to
reply our words. May god be with him and with all of you.
The funeral will take place on Mondays, 20. February at the "Klosterkirche
Wesemlin, Wesemlinstrasse 42,
6004 Luzern/Lucerne" at 0900. For further info about the location only, dial
+41 / 41 / 429 67 46 (church)
I'll check from time to time the mails and remain with best regards, a
friend
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Thanks jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
I am sorry to hear about your friend. I am a new member but it is always
sad to hear of a fellow aviator passing on,however, he is flying much higher
now than we are and I`m sure is view is now much more beautifull than ours. God
Bless. Gil Walker Wingflyer _1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:1(at)aol.com)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Sadly, we didn't know or met him. May he rest in peace.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Urs Frey
>
> I received this, this morning. I'm not sure how many of you were here
when
> Urs occasionally contributed. He owned a 500A(a real one).
>
>
> Bilbo
>
> ========================================================
>
>
> Dear Friends and Collegues of Urs
>
>
> Urs died last sunday the 11. February 2006 at the hospital in Lucerne,
> Switzerland. He had no pain and only in the last 24 hours he was not able
to
> reply our words. May god be with him and with all of you.
>
>
> The funeral will take place on Mondays, 20. February at the "Klosterkirche
> Wesemlin, Wesemlinstrasse 42,
>
> 6004 Luzern/Lucerne" at 0900. For further info about the location only,
dial
> +41 / 41 / 429 67 46 (church)
>
>
> I'll check from time to time the mails and remain with best regards, a
> friend
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I think his, Urs 500A is the number 4 picture on the website under Speedline
nacelle.
I can't say I ever met him. I know some of the old "Southern Commander
Guys" did.
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Urs Frey
Sadly, we didn't know or met him. May he rest in peace.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Urs Frey
>
> I received this, this morning. I'm not sure how many of you were here
when
> Urs occasionally contributed. He owned a 500A(a real one).
>
>
> Bilbo
>
> ========================================================
>
>
> Dear Friends and Collegues of Urs
>
>
> Urs died last sunday the 11. February 2006 at the hospital in Lucerne,
> Switzerland. He had no pain and only in the last 24 hours he was not able
to
> reply our words. May god be with him and with all of you.
>
>
> The funeral will take place on Mondays, 20. February at the "Klosterkirche
> Wesemlin, Wesemlinstrasse 42,
>
> 6004 Luzern/Lucerne" at 0900. For further info about the location only,
dial
> +41 / 41 / 429 67 46 (church)
>
>
> I'll check from time to time the mails and remain with best regards, a
> friend
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I spoke with Urs a few times on the telephone as I was going to lease his
500A until I obtained the aircraft I now have.
His son I believe is a pilot and flys the A.
I did not know that Urs was ill, he wasn't when I was communicating with
him.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 17:55
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Urs Frey
>
> I think his, Urs 500A is the number 4 picture on the website under
Speedline
> nacelle.
>
> I can't say I ever met him. I know some of the old "Southern Commander
> Guys" did.
>
> bb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of css nico
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:54 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Urs Frey
>
> Sadly, we didn't know or met him. May he rest in peace.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:03 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Urs Frey
>
>
> >
> > I received this, this morning. I'm not sure how many of you were here
> when
> > Urs occasionally contributed. He owned a 500A(a real one).
> >
> >
> >
> > Bilbo
> >
> > ========================================================
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Friends and Collegues of Urs
> >
> >
> >
> > Urs died last sunday the 11. February 2006 at the hospital in Lucerne,
> > Switzerland. He had no pain and only in the last 24 hours he was not
able
> to
> > reply our words. May god be with him and with all of you.
> >
> >
> >
> > The funeral will take place on Mondays, 20. February at the
"Klosterkirche
> > Wesemlin, Wesemlinstrasse 42,
> >
> > 6004 Luzern/Lucerne" at 0900. For further info about the location only,
> dial
> > +41 / 41 / 429 67 46 (church)
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll check from time to time the mails and remain with best regards, a
> > friend
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Propeller Electric De-Icing System |
Hi Folks!
A technical question. While flying with my electric propeller De-Icers on, the
ammeter is generally in "the green". On the ground when the "feel test" is done
every thing seems to be fine. Some times while in operation the ammeter will
go to only about 6 amps (10 is minimum recommended). If I turn the prop heaters
off with the overhead switch, and turn them back on again the ammeter goes
back up to about 12 amps. Since (quoting from the POH) the timer does not
reset itself when the cycle is shut off: therefore, when the timer is re-engaged,
cycling starts from the position of previous operation. Where should we start
troubleshooting? After the switch is turned off and then back on immediately
everything seems to be just fine. Also, has anyone ever used an infared
thermometer to check the difference between the boot temperature and the ambient
(or prop blade) temperature. Thank you very much.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | air/oil separators |
Does anyone have air/oil separators on thier planes? I would appreciate
any comments on this.
Roland
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Roland,
What model do you have, and are you referring to the engine oil separators,
of the vacuum pump oil separators?
Thanks!
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Commander-List: air/oil separators
>
> Does anyone have air/oil separators on thier planes? I would appreciate
> any comments on this.
>
> Roland
>
>
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Nancy & Roland Gilliam wrote:
> Does anyone have air/oil separators on thier planes? I would appreciate
> any comments on this.
I put an M20 on one of my airplanes and couldn't see much improvment.
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Chris,
Assuming that you are referring to the engine(s), not the vacuum pump(s),
how many horsepower did the engine(s) have? Also, how many horsepower was
the M20 rated for? I have been working on two for my 680F(p) because no one
seems to have one with enough internal screen area to handle 380 HP and lots
of RPM that geared engines like. The oil separators are finished, but
mounting them high enough is a bit challenging. When that is figgered out,
a one time field approval will be secured from the local FAA.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: air/oil separators
>
>
> Nancy & Roland Gilliam wrote:
> > Does anyone have air/oil separators on thier planes? I would appreciate
> > any comments on this.
>
> I put an M20 on one of my airplanes and couldn't see much improvment.
>
>
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Moe wrote:
> Assuming that you are referring to the engine(s), not the vacuum pump(s),
> how many horsepower did the engine(s) have? Also, how many horsepower was
> the M20 rated for? I have been working on two for my 680F(p) because no one
> seems to have one with enough internal screen area to handle 380 HP and lots
> of RPM that geared engines like. The oil separators are finished, but
> mounting them high enough is a bit challenging. When that is figgered out,
> a one time field approval will be secured from the local FAA.
Moe,
It was a twin-turbo IO-540 in a Bellanca Super Viking. That is a *VERY*
tight engine installation and impossible to mount the unit very high.
My personal opinion is that the M20 just isn't physically large enough
to do much good, but apparently others have had better luck than I did,
so maybe the installation had a lot to do with it. M20 is rated for up
to 950hp. Their claims are rather outrageous (again, my opinion).
Copied straight from their web site:
==========
1. Engines last up to 75% longer.
That is, TBOs from 2,800 hours to 3,500 hours, depending on
make. That would be engine life cost savings of about $10,000 to
$25,000. Do the arithmetic yourself.
2. FULL oil provides greater cooling of CHT, EGT (and TIT on
turbod engines). That is generally enough to lean 2 GPH to 4 GPH less
fuel flow than book settings and stay safely rich of peak.
Savings amount to $14,000 to $28,000 at todays fuel prices. Add
this to the engine life savings, above. Do the arithmetic yourself.
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Thought I'd add one more "opinion"....
After having an airplane with and without a separator, cutting one apart
to see how it works, and thinking about it quite a bit, I came to the
conclusion that I'd rather have some oil blown out than have a
separator. My logic is that the separator not only condenses oil mist
and returns it to the engine, it also does much the same for oil-trapped
moisture. I felt that it was actually noticable visibly with my
airplane and became concerned that I was going to cause rust/corrosion
formation. Probably a non-issue if you fly every day, but for my once
a week flying it was a concern.
chris
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| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Moe,.
I have a straight 500 (0540's) 250 hp. and I'm referring to the
engines. I'm adding about 1 quart of oil per 1 1/2 hours per engine, but
a lot of it is on the ground . This tells me that it is blowing out all
the time it is flying. Maybe I have excessive blow by, but compressions
are ok. Engines are 1100 hrs each app.
Thanks,
Roland
Moe wrote:
>
>Roland,
>
>What model do you have, and are you referring to the engine oil separators,
>of the vacuum pump oil separators?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Moe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
>To:
>Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 3:00 PM
>Subject: Commander-List: air/oil separators
>
>
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>>Does anyone have air/oil separators on thier planes? I would appreciate
>>any comments on this.
>>
>>Roland
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
I have M20's on my 560F and they work great with 2 1200 hour engines. We
also put 2 on a 680FP and they are working well. However, on the 680FP we had
to rig up a scavenging system to get the oil back to the engine due to the
volume of oil they collected. That took a while to figure out. We are preparing
to put a set on a 500S next. The M-20 STC does cover the Aero Commander.
Bill Leff
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Bill,
Where did you mount the M20's on the 680F(p)? Did the scavenge lines go
down to the oil return lines that go to the cylinder heads?. This might be
a little easier for me than getting a one time field approval on my "home
made" separators.
Thanks very much for the help, as I just can't seem to keep the top of the
engine nacelles from dripping oil no matter how tight the engines are.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: air/oil separators
>
> I have M20's on my 560F and they work great with 2 1200 hour engines. We
> also put 2 on a 680FP and they are working well. However, on the 680FP we
had
> to rig up a scavenging system to get the oil back to the engine due to the
> volume of oil they collected. That took a while to figure out. We are
preparing
> to put a set on a 500S next. The M-20 STC does cover the Aero Commander.
>
> Bill Leff
>
>
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Chris and Roland,
I have read with interest Chris' comments on returning water vapour to the engine
when an oil separator is used. This could very well be a concern as the steam
would ordinarily go out of the breather tube (when the oil temp goes up to
212) instead of collecting on the separator screen and returning to the engine
oil. Here in sunny Southern California where it never rains and the humidity
is generally pretty low this may not be a concern (except that we are by the
ocean). Thanks for bringing this up.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | "steve2" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
The more I learn the more I think it's a bad idea to recover the vapors and
contaminants leaving the crankcase.
I did have an oil seperator freeze up on me warming up in a TU-206. It was
negative something or other, so real cold. But it wasn't until that day I
really knew there was nothing on the gauges to tell me anything was wrong.
Preheat warmed the engine enough, but not the seperator. Always suprised how
much water gets generated and cycled through aircraft engines....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: air/oil separators
>
>
> Thought I'd add one more "opinion"....
>
> After having an airplane with and without a separator, cutting one apart
> to see how it works, and thinking about it quite a bit, I came to the
> conclusion that I'd rather have some oil blown out than have a
> separator. My logic is that the separator not only condenses oil mist
> and returns it to the engine, it also does much the same for oil-trapped
> moisture. I felt that it was actually noticable visibly with my
> airplane and became concerned that I was going to cause rust/corrosion
> formation. Probably a non-issue if you fly every day, but for my once
> a week flying it was a concern.
>
> chris
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Hi, Roland
As you know, I flew her for 100 hrs or so and I believe that a good set of
seperators would help considerably, also......she's a great plane...:) [vbg]
Rob
In a message dated 2/20/2006 8:34:20 PM Central Standard Time, amg(at)nc.rr.com
writes:
> Moe,.
>
> I have a straight 500 (0540's) 250 hp. and I'm referring to the
> engines. I'm adding about 1 quart of oil per 1 1/2 hours per engine, but
> a lot of it is on the ground . This tells me that it is blowing out all
> the time it is flying. Maybe I have excessive blow by, but compressions
> are ok. Engines are 1100 hrs each app.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Moe, I mounted the M-20's on brackets I made and hung them from the exhaust
chutes
On the 560F I drained them into the rocker drain tube.
On the 680F, the IGSO-540 has too much case pressure to allow good draining
from the M-20's. I recommend that you plumb the drain into the inlet side of
the vacuum pump. Loravco Aviation (in Bloomington, IL) figured out another
way that also works but I prefer using the vacuum pump.
Bill Leff
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
Bill,
Thanks much for the advice. I had built my air/ oil separators with a
little over one quart capacity each thinking that the oil would drain back
into the rocker drain tubes after the engines were shut down. Running the
oil back into the intake side of the wet vacuum pumps had concerned me, as I
was afraid that the vacuum pump air/ oil separators would become over loaded
and that the extra oil would wind up in the de-ice boots which feed off of
the pressure side of the vacuum pumps. Did the 680F that you fed back into
the vacuum pumps have boots? Do you think that my concerns are incorrect?
Again thank you very much for the advice.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: air/oil separators
>
> Moe, I mounted the M-20's on brackets I made and hung them from the
exhaust
> chutes
>
> On the 560F I drained them into the rocker drain tube.
>
> On the 680F, the IGSO-540 has too much case pressure to allow good
draining
> from the M-20's. I recommend that you plumb the drain into the inlet side
of
> the vacuum pump. Loravco Aviation (in Bloomington, IL) figured out
another
> way that also works but I prefer using the vacuum pump.
>
> Bill Leff
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Maybe this has something to do with AOPA members voting him the worlds
greatest pilot.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0
<http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0&search=aircraft> &search=aircraft
bilbo
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: The greatest |
Bilbo,
Thanks! That's terrific!
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | $15,000 Commander |
HI KIDS.
I am looking for a $15,000 Commander, ferriable (or easily made so).
Any model. Engine times, corrosion, avionics, AD notes are no problem.
Kwick Cash awaits!!!!! Call or email me direct @ _n700pf(at)aol.com_
(mailto:n700pf(at)aol.com) . 360-903-6901 Thanks jb,
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | $15,000 Commander |
Boy, that has all the earmarks of a high yield, one time, cargo run it I
ever saw one. :>)))
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:14 AM
Subject: Commander-List: $15,000 Commander
HI KIDS.
I am looking for a $15,000 Commander, ferriable (or easily made
so).
Any model. Engine times, corrosion, avionics, AD notes are no problem.
Kwick Cash awaits!!!!! Call or email me direct @ _n700pf(at)aol.com_
(mailto:n700pf(at)aol.com) . 360-903-6901 Thanks jb,
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: $15,000 Commander |
JB
What about the 680F(p)f that set in Morris's hangar for so long. Want to go
in together and I will buy all of the extra parts that you strip off it?
Moe
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: Commander-List: $15,000 Commander
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I am looking for a $15,000 Commander, ferriable (or easily made
so).
> Any model. Engine times, corrosion, avionics, AD notes are no problem.
> Kwick Cash awaits!!!!! Call or email me direct @ _n700pf(at)aol.com_
> (mailto:n700pf(at)aol.com) . 360-903-6901 Thanks jb,
>
>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: $15,000 Commander |
No engines on that airplane. Maybe Barry hancock will sell you his 680E
that's in Morris' hangar?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: $15,000 Commander
>
> JB
>
> What about the 680F(p)f that set in Morris's hangar for so long. Want to
> go
> in together and I will buy all of the extra parts that you strip off it?
>
> Moe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:13 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: $15,000 Commander
>
>
>>
>> HI KIDS.
>>
>> I am looking for a $15,000 Commander, ferriable (or easily made
> so).
>> Any model. Engine times, corrosion, avionics, AD notes are no problem.
>> Kwick Cash awaits!!!!! Call or email me direct @ _n700pf(at)aol.com_
>> (mailto:n700pf(at)aol.com) . 360-903-6901 Thanks jb,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Fox news Hanity and Combs just had the last transmissions from Gary
Tillman's flight. He was calm and cool to the end.
What a guy.
bilbo
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Check this place out. http://www.flyagogo.net
bilbo
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: $15,000 Commander |
Yeah, and never meant to come back too...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: $15,000 Commander
>
> Boy, that has all the earmarks of a high yield, one time, cargo run it I
> ever saw one. :>)))
>
> bilbo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:14 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: $15,000 Commander
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I am looking for a $15,000 Commander, ferriable (or easily made
> so).
> Any model. Engine times, corrosion, avionics, AD notes are no problem.
> Kwick Cash awaits!!!!! Call or email me direct @ _n700pf(at)aol.com_
> (mailto:n700pf(at)aol.com) . 360-903-6901 Thanks jb,
>
>
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| From: | "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
Bow. Did they ever find Tillman and daughter??
>From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: FOX
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:07:31 -0500
>
>
>Fox news Hanity and Combs just had the last transmissions from Gary
>Tillman's flight. He was calm and cool to the end.
>
>
>What a guy.
>
>
>bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
http://tinyurl.com/g4hha
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Reed
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FOX
Bow. Did they ever find Tillman and daughter??
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I never heard that they did.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Allen Reed
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FOX
Bow. Did they ever find Tillman and daughter??
>From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: FOX
>Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:07:31 -0500
>
>
>Fox news Hanity and Combs just had the last transmissions from Gary
>Tillman's flight. He was calm and cool to the end.
>
>
>What a guy.
>
>
>bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Tubes or tubeless? |
While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I tell
if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my bird
is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t understand
how that works if they have tubes=85
Thanks,
Alan
--
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| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Tubes or tubeless? |
Ok, had a chance to get to the plane and the mains are tubeless, nose is
tube. Is that standard/normal?
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Kucheck
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I tell
if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my bird
is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t
understand
how that works if they have tubes=85
Thanks,
Alan
--
--
--
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| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubes or tubeless? |
Group;
I have a question. I don't believe I have ever seen it in writting, what
are the tire pressures for the nose and main tires?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>
> While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I
> tell
> if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my bird
> is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t
> understand
> how that works if they have tubes=85
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Alan
>
>
> --
>
>
>
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| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Tubes or tubeless? |
My book says 30 nose, 45 mains.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
Group;
I have a question. I don't believe I have ever seen it in writting, what
are the tire pressures for the nose and main tires?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>
> While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I
> tell
> if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my bird
> is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t
> understand
> how that works if they have tubes=85
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Alan
>
>
> --
>
>
>
--
--
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubes or tubeless? |
Mains 45 psi Nose 30 according to my book.
Roland
Don Girod wrote:
>
>Group;
>
>I have a question. I don't believe I have ever seen it in writting, what
>are the tire pressures for the nose and main tires?
>
>Don
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:49 PM
>Subject: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>
>
>
>
>>
>>While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I
>>tell
>>if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my bird
>>is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t
>>understand
>>how that works if they have tubes=85
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>
>>--
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubes or tubeless? |
In the winter, when the air gets very cool, I tend to go a little higher in
the mains. I've noticed that soft main tires will add to your takeoff
distance drastically....much more so than taking off at gross weight will if
the tires are at the right pressure. It's amazing how much your takeoff
performance degrades when the mains are 5-10 psi too soft.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>
>
> Mains 45 psi Nose 30 according to my book.
>
> Roland
>
> Don Girod wrote:
>
>>
>>Group;
>>
>>I have a question. I don't believe I have ever seen it in writting, what
>>are the tire pressures for the nose and main tires?
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
>>To:
>>Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:49 PM
>>Subject: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I
>>>tell
>>>if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my
>>>bird
>>>is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t
>>>understand
>>>how that works if they have tubes=85
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
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| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander s/b 208a |
i must have loaned my copy of service bulletin 208a as i no longer have it. how
can i get a copy from the internet? thanks, allan hoffman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander s/b 208a |
Allan:
Here is a link to the related AD:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/7AF3C7B
7B8CCF30686256A6B006BE135?OpenDocument
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
alh1(at)juno.com
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander s/b 208a
i must have loaned my copy of service bulletin 208a as i no longer have it.
how can i get a copy from the internet? thanks, allan hoffman
--
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | free Commander stuff |
Howdy all.
Well, all good things must come to and end... and so it is with my
fathers shop. Due to politics and mass stupidity, he's decided to sell
his hangar and get out of aviation. We have quite a bit of commander
stuff still hanging around. It needs to go! Here's the deal - my
father is getting along in years and has some health problems which
limit his ability to do some things. ALL of the commander related items
are available free to whoever wants them. The deal is that you have to
make this easy on us - schedule a time and come get them. No packing,
no shipping, etc. Everything is where is, as is, and worth every penny
you pay for it.
I'll be making a more complete list, but off the top of my head, I know
that the "commander section" includes
2 nice lower cowling bowls for a 520
an IO-540 case (unknown model or condition)
a straigh 500 engine mount (requires repair)
lots of GO-435 engine parts - cylinders, gearbox stuff, misc parts
tires
wheels
several complete goodyear brake assys
voltage regulators
various manuals
various valves, actuators, plumbing, etc
some accessories, generators, pumps, etc
a nose gear assy (I think off a 500)
probably lots of stuff I can't remember
Would prefer that someone take it all at once if possible.
The whole mess is located in NE Oklahoma. Let me know if you have any
questions.
chris
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: air/oil separators |
It should not be a problem. It would be prudent to keep an eye on the boot
separator. On my T-6 air show plane I use this type system with a separator and
it gets swamped with massive amounts of oil during inverted flight and it
works great.
Bill
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | free Commander stuff |
cs, lets schedule a date and have a mini commander fly in and have a party.
mason
>From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: free Commander stuff
>Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:02:31 -0600
>
>
>Howdy all.
>Well, all good things must come to and end... and so it is with my
>fathers shop. Due to politics and mass stupidity, he's decided to sell
>his hangar and get out of aviation. We have quite a bit of commander
>stuff still hanging around. It needs to go! Here's the deal - my
>father is getting along in years and has some health problems which
>limit his ability to do some things. ALL of the commander related items
>are available free to whoever wants them. The deal is that you have to
>make this easy on us - schedule a time and come get them. No packing,
>no shipping, etc. Everything is where is, as is, and worth every penny
>you pay for it.
>I'll be making a more complete list, but off the top of my head, I know
>that the "commander section" includes
>
>2 nice lower cowling bowls for a 520
>an IO-540 case (unknown model or condition)
>a straigh 500 engine mount (requires repair)
>lots of GO-435 engine parts - cylinders, gearbox stuff, misc parts
>tires
>wheels
>several complete goodyear brake assys
>voltage regulators
>various manuals
>various valves, actuators, plumbing, etc
>some accessories, generators, pumps, etc
>a nose gear assy (I think off a 500)
>probably lots of stuff I can't remember
>
>Would prefer that someone take it all at once if possible.
>
>The whole mess is located in NE Oklahoma. Let me know if you have any
>questions.
>
>chris
>
>
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubes or tubeless? |
Nose 30, Mains 50 on a 680F(p) at 8,000 lbs.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>
> Mains 45 psi Nose 30 according to my book.
>
> Roland
>
> Don Girod wrote:
>
> >
> >Group;
> >
> >I have a question. I don't believe I have ever seen it in writting, what
> >are the tire pressures for the nose and main tires?
> >
> >Don
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
> >To:
> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:49 PM
> >Subject: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>While I feel stupid asking, that has never stopped me before=85how do I
> >>tell
> >>if the mains are tube or tubeless? The service manual lists both [my
bird
> >>is a 500A] as possibilities. The stems are right-angled; I don=92t
> >>understand
> >>how that works if they have tubes=85
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Alan
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| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
Chris,
I will come get the parts. I don't really need them. If someone else
needs them, I would rather they have them. I'll see what else happens
on the responses.
Roland
Chris Schuermann wrote:
>
>
>Howdy all.
>Well, all good things must come to and end... and so it is with my
>fathers shop. Due to politics and mass stupidity, he's decided to sell
>his hangar and get out of aviation. We have quite a bit of commander
>stuff still hanging around. It needs to go! Here's the deal - my
>father is getting along in years and has some health problems which
>limit his ability to do some things. ALL of the commander related items
>are available free to whoever wants them. The deal is that you have to
>make this easy on us - schedule a time and come get them. No packing,
>no shipping, etc. Everything is where is, as is, and worth every penny
>you pay for it.
>I'll be making a more complete list, but off the top of my head, I know
>that the "commander section" includes
>
>2 nice lower cowling bowls for a 520
>an IO-540 case (unknown model or condition)
>a straigh 500 engine mount (requires repair)
>lots of GO-435 engine parts - cylinders, gearbox stuff, misc parts
>tires
>wheels
>several complete goodyear brake assys
>voltage regulators
>various manuals
>various valves, actuators, plumbing, etc
>some accessories, generators, pumps, etc
>a nose gear assy (I think off a 500)
>probably lots of stuff I can't remember
>
>Would prefer that someone take it all at once if possible.
>
>The whole mess is located in NE Oklahoma. Let me know if you have any
>questions.
>
>chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander s/b 208a |
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander s/b 208a
>
> i must have loaned my copy of service bulletin 208a as i no longer have
it. how can i get a copy from the internet? thanks, allan hoffman
>
>
>
>
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06 |
What happened to Gary Tilman? have been out of touch. Was his accident due
to a malfunction with the airplane or what? Gil
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
Nancy & Roland Gilliam wrote:
> I will come get the parts. I don't really need them. If someone else
> needs them, I would rather they have them.
Roland,
Have someone coming down this week to take a look. I'll post back after
that happens.
I've given away a lot of parts to folks in need (some "loaned" but never
came back). At this stage, we're mostly just interested in getting the
hangar emptied out.
thanks
chris
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Only in America... |
I was perusing the page of a "Google Earth" satellite mapping competition, and came across this gem. There's a picture to accompany the story here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/14/google_earth_competition_results/page9.html
Jimbob, do you know where MIlwaukie is?
Gosh, I guess the "Good ol' Days" of flying really are gone....
/John
Milwaukie, Oregon - only in America can you beat a B-17 into a gas station.
Shortly after WWII a guy named Art Lacey (he had a British wife) went to Kansas
to buy a surplus B-17. His idea was to fly it back to Oregon, jack it up in
the air and make a gas station out of it. He paid $15,000 for it. He asked which
one was his and they said take whichever you want because there were miles
of them. He didn't know how to fly a 4 engine airplane so he read the manual
while he taxied around by himself. They said he couldn't take off alone so he
put a mannequin in the co-pilot's seat and off he went.
He flew around a bit to get the feel of it and when he went to land he realized
he needed a co-pilot to lower the landing gear. He crashed and totaled his
plane and another on the ground. They wrote them both off as "wind damaged" and
told him to pick out another. He talked a friend into being his co-pilot and
off they went.
They flew to Palm Springs where Lacey wrote a hot check for gas then they headed
for Oregon. They hit a snow storm and couldn't find their way so they went
down below 1,000 feet and followed the railroad tracks. His partner sat in the
nose section and would yell, "TUNNEL" when he saw one and Lacey would climb
over the mountain.
They landed safely, he made good the hot check he wrote, and they started getting
permits to move a B-17 on the state highway. The highway department repeatedly
denied his permit and fought him tooth and nail for a long time so late
one Saturday night he just moved it himself. He got a $10 ticket from the police
for having too wide a load.
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Hello to the guys down under. Have any of you seen or heard of the flying
car? Go to (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/23/flying_car/)
Thanks
Jim Addington
N444BD
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| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
Donnie Rose wrote:
> By the way, do any
> of you have a "500B" engine nacelle medallion?
Sorry. All of the trim items have already been given away.
chris
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander s/b 208a |
Al,
If you hav a FAX machine avail. I can probably get one faxed to you this
afternoon. Advise FAX # if you still need 208A.
Moe Mills
M680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander s/b 208a
>
> i must have loaned my copy of service bulletin 208a as i no longer have
it. how can i get a copy from the internet? thanks, allan hoffman
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Gents,
Am getting ready to change the oil in the cooling unit (boot strap) and cabin pressurization
supercharger on my 680F(p).
Service Letter 198A lists seven different turbine oils that are acceptable, however,
all of the numbers are obsolete and I can't seem to find an interchange
from old numbers to late numbers.
According to the Service Letter the same oil is to be used in the 680F(p), 720,
680FLP, 680T, and 680V.
Any suggestions?
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
Allen Reed, give me a call 373-5703 or E-Mail me at _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_
(mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) Gil Walker
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,
Looks to me like a "sail" sun awning. I can almost convince myself I
can see the poles.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 07:21 28/02/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>Hello to the guys down under. Have any of you seen or heard of the flying
>car? Go to (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/23/flying_car/)
>
>Thanks
>Jim Addington
>N444BD
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Only in America... |
In a message dated 2/27/2006 2:42:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
Jimbob, do you know where MIlwaukie is?
YOU BET!! I have eaten there many times!! I even met the owner a couple of
times. The airplane is still there. The nose has been removed an expertly
restored. The rest of the airplane is sadly not doing as well. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Tubes or tubeless? |
I keep my mains at 60 and nose at 45psi. Any less on the nose and the power
at run-up will squish it. jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06 |
Apparently, he ran short of fuel. It is really sad to loss him. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Only in America... |
Bummer! After all that effort, it would be a shame to see the old gal go to
waste...
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Only in America...
>
>
> In a message dated 2/27/2006 2:42:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
>
> Jimbob, do you know where MIlwaukie is?
>
>
> YOU BET!! I have eaten there many times!! I even met the owner a couple
> of
> times. The airplane is still there. The nose has been removed an
> expertly
> restored. The rest of the airplane is sadly not doing as well. jb
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Tubes or tubeless? |
I love how you geared-engine guys have to throw those comments in...
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Tubes or tubeless?
>
> I keep my mains at 60 and nose at 45psi. Any less on the nose and the
> power
> at run-up will squish it. jb
>
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06 |
Who?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06
Apparently, he ran short of fuel. It is really sad to loss him. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06 |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
I guess JB is describing Gary's last op...
On 28/2/06 9:39 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:34 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06 |
I thought he had just taken off from Craig field and was climbing out...I
assumed he had gotten gas.....
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06
I guess JB is describing Gary's last op...
On 28/2/06 9:39 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
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> Who?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:34 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/24/06
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| From: | "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
Anybody have or know a source for the lower oil cooler on the early model 560F?
Harrison part # 8530341.
Phil
Phil Stubbs
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| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
OK guys,
Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8 ply.
Thanks,
Roland
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hi Roland,
I fly a 500B. In the past few years I've had both Good Years and Michelins
on my airplane, also based on pavement. I hated the Michelins; if I went
more than a few days without flying, it was bump-bump-bump while I was
taxiing because of the flat spots. I've since replaced the Michelins with
Good Year Flight Custom III's and they're awesome. No flat spots if the
airplane sits a while, and great performance.
Cheers,
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires
>
>
> OK guys,
>
> Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
> straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
> comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8 ply.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
| From: | "N395V" <N395V(at)direcway.com> |
bowing74(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> Nice picture wish mine was in the middle.
If I remember correctly the last debauched get together was at Big Als house and
you,with a bottle of Scotch, were sitting in a semicircle of stuffed animals.
One of whom had a hole in it. This makes me suspect you always have yours in
the middle.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18615#18615
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Allen Reed" <allen_reed2(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
we be baack in Tenn,,got a pool and plenty of room,,and a 30yr old bottle of
"BLANTONS" for the next meetin..Ya'll come on up,,or over,,or
down,,whichever,just come on,,BIG
Oh Yeah,,1700 ft grass strip just down the lane!! Lucille made it with half
the runway left,,so fly em on in fellers!!
>From: "N395V" <N395V(at)direcway.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: free Commander stuff
>Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:02:06 -0800
>
>
>bowing74(at)earthlink.net wrote:
> > Nice picture wish mine was in the middle.
>
>
>If I remember correctly the last debauched get together was at Big Als
>house and you,with a bottle of Scotch, were sitting in a semicircle of
>stuffed animals. One of whom had a hole in it. This makes me suspect you
>always have yours in the middle.
>
>--------
>Milt
>N395V
>F1 Rocket
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18615#18615
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
Thanks for the reply John, I've noticed that on my Michelins also. I
thought my tires were going bad. Glad to know it's not defective
tires. Do you have tubes or tubeless??
Thanks,
Roland
John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>Hi Roland,
>
>I fly a 500B. In the past few years I've had both Good Years and Michelins
>on my airplane, also based on pavement. I hated the Michelins; if I went
>more than a few days without flying, it was bump-bump-bump while I was
>taxiing because of the flat spots. I've since replaced the Michelins with
>Good Year Flight Custom III's and they're awesome. No flat spots if the
>airplane sits a while, and great performance.
>
>Cheers,
>
>/J
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
>Subject: Commander-List: tires
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>OK guys,
>>
>>Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
>>straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
>>comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8 ply.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Roland
>>
>>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Sorry Roland, I should have specified....I've always had tubes. Never tried
the tubeless.
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: tires
>
>
> Thanks for the reply John, I've noticed that on my Michelins also. I
> thought my tires were going bad. Glad to know it's not defective
> tires. Do you have tubes or tubeless??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
>
>
> John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Roland,
>>
>>I fly a 500B. In the past few years I've had both Good Years and Michelins
>>on my airplane, also based on pavement. I hated the Michelins; if I went
>>more than a few days without flying, it was bump-bump-bump while I was
>>taxiing because of the flat spots. I've since replaced the Michelins with
>>Good Year Flight Custom III's and they're awesome. No flat spots if the
>>airplane sits a while, and great performance.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>/J
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
>>To:
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
>>Subject: Commander-List: tires
>>
>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>OK guys,
>>>
>>>Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
>>>straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
>>>comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8
>>>ply.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Roland
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| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires
>
>
> OK guys,
>
> Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
> straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
> comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8 ply.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
> I've used Goodyear 8ply on my straight 500 with good results. The aircraft
> has been operated mostly in high & low desert strips both paved & unpaved.
> At the time of purchase they happened to be the best buy I could find for
> premium 8 ply. Always check with Yoda for the current poop. Dan 77B
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
| From: | "N395V" <N395V(at)direcway.com> |
> a 30yr old bottle of
> "BLANTONS" for the next meetin..Ya'll come on up,,or over,,or
> down,,whichever,just come on,,BIG
>
Is that the same bottle we left in Florida a gazillion years ago?
I gotta get ahold of Crunk and Bow that stuff needs drinkin. In fact Chris needs
to help we even have hin swilling Bourbon now.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18660#18660
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "crunk12" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
What in the hell are you doing up at 7:08 in the morning?
I only thought weirdos like me got up that early!!! :-)
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: free Commander stuff |
why do you sleep in so late? mason
----- Original Message -----
From: crunk12<mailto:crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: free Commander stuff
What in the hell are you doing up at 7:08 in the morning?
I only thought weirdos like me got up that early!!! :-)
Crunk
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA(at)msn.com> |
please see aviation consumer for their tire test and ratings. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady<mailto:westwind(at)hdiss.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: tires
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com<mailto:amg(at)nc.rr.com>>
To: >
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires
> >
>
> OK guys,
>
> Forget the price, in your opnions what is the most safe tire to put on a
> straight 500,home based on pavement, in mid North Carolina. Also
> comments on tube or tubeless would be welcome. I will use at least 8 ply.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
> I've used Goodyear 8ply on my straight 500 with good results. The aircraft
> has been operated mostly in high & low desert strips both paved & unpaved.
> At the time of purchase they happened to be the best buy I could find for
> premium 8 ply. Always check with Yoda for the current poop. Dan 77B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Desperate For Parts |
We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up after the
hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the overhaul shop.
To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow aluminum cast intake
connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine. This part has a large
accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air filter box attached to
the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A Commander, and it IS an airframe
part. The part number in question is 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental
470 or 520 engine. Other parts that are missing are the entire baffle assy
Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5, and 4&6, as well as the supports for the
fuel injection lines that connect to these baffle assy's on top of the engine.
These parts (baffles) are not specific to the right engine only, as they are
the same part no's for both sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture
& throttle) connecting to the fuel controller from the belcranks. The
description in the parts book are "Rod & End Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579
and 529 respectively. If ANYONE out there that knows of a 500A fresh
to be parted out that we might contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If
anyone interested in seeing pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison,
I will send them e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking
for these parts for weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new"
engine on these parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts
or part for us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
DW Hooks Airport
Spring, Texas
dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
500-A Aero Commander
14-AV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Desperate For Parts |
David,
Have you tried Jack Chapelle in California? Lots of ACommander goodies at
951-371-7513.
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow
aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine.
This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air
filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A
Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question is
3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts that
are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5,
and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines that connect
to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts (baffles) are not
specific to the right engine only, as they are the same part no's for both
sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture & throttle)
connecting to the fuel controlle!
r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE
out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might
contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing
pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will send them
e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for these parts for
weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new" engine on these
parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts or part for
us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
DW Hooks Airport
Spring, Texas
dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
500-A Aero Commander
14-AV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Desperate For Parts |
Try White Industries if they are still in business. They had a 500A at one
time, now that I think about it that was over 15 years ago, but you never
know.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
David,
Have you tried Jack Chapelle in California? Lots of ACommander goodies at
951-371-7513.
Steve G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow
aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine.
This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air
filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A
Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question is
3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts that
are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5,
and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines that connect
to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts (baffles) are not
specific to the right engine only, as they are the same part no's for both
sides. The other items are the two control rods (mixture & throttle)
connecting to the fuel controlle!
r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE
out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might
contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing
pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will send them
e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for these parts for
weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new" engine on these
parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these parts or part for
us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
DW Hooks Airport
Spring, Texas
dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
500-A Aero Commander
14-AV
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy & Roland Gilliam <amg(at)nc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Desperate For Parts |
Try copters8(at)cs.com. They have two commanders that they cut the wings
off and sent from the islands to Tenn. I tried to get some control
yokes from them, but thiers were worse than mine. I don't know what
model AC they are.They were pretty much corroded so they did'nt try to
save the wings.
What does everyone do for new control yokes??
Roland
David Owens wrote:
>
>We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up after
the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the overhaul shop.
To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree elbow aluminum cast intake
connecting to the fuel controller on the right engine. This part has a large
accordian shaped rubber hose that connects to the air filter box attached
to the other end. This part only applies to a 500-A Commander, and it IS an airframe
part. The part number in question is 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental
470 or 520 engine. Other parts that are missing are the entire baffle assy
Intercylinder between 1&3, 2&4, 3&5, and 4&6, as well as the supports for the
fuel injection lines that connect to these baffle assy's on top of the engine.
These parts (baffles) are not specific to the right engine only, as they are
the same part no's for both sides. The other items are the two control rods
(mixture & throttle) connecting to the fuel controlle!
> r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End Assy".
Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If ANYONE out there
that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we might contact, it would
be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in seeing pics of the parts from
the other engine for comparison, I will send them e-mail in short order. We have
been calling and looking for these parts for weeks going on a month now. Waiting
to fire up the "new" engine on these parts... A O G... I will post
if anyone finds these parts or part for us.
>
>David Owens
>Aerial Viewpoint
>DW Hooks Airport
>Spring, Texas
>dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
>500-A Aero Commander
>14-AV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Commander inventory has been taken |
All the Commander parts are gone.
I'd forgotten just how much stuff we had until we got it gathered up. A
half a dozen spare brake assys, wheels, hydraulic accumulator systems
and bottles, complete nose and main landing gears, valves, actuators,
engine mount trusses, selsyns, flare launch panels, etc, etc, etc.
Anyway, the new owner has everything now. It'll be up to him to
keep/dispose/sell/donate as he sees fit.
cheers,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander inventory has been taken |
In a message dated 3/1/2006 4:08:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
Anyway, the new owner has everything now. It'll be up to him to
keep/dispose/sell/donate as he sees fit.
Thanks Chris, you did a good thing!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Desperate For Parts |
Roland:
What style control yokes are you looking for? I have a pair here, they came
off of a 500B.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy & Roland Gilliam" <amg(at)nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Desperate For Parts
>
>
> Try copters8(at)cs.com. They have two commanders that they cut the wings
> off and sent from the islands to Tenn. I tried to get some control
> yokes from them, but thiers were worse than mine. I don't know what
> model AC they are.They were pretty much corroded so they did'nt try to
> save the wings.
>
> What does everyone do for new control yokes??
>
>
> Roland
>
>
> David Owens wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>We inadvertantly lost some airframe parts in the shuffle of cleaning up
>>after the hurricane event "Rita" while waiting on the engine from the
>>overhaul shop. To be brief, The most sought after item is a 90 degree
>>elbow aluminum cast intake connecting to the fuel controller on the right
>>engine. This part has a large accordian shaped rubber hose that connects
>>to the air filter box attached to the other end. This part only applies to
>>a 500-A Commander, and it IS an airframe part. The part number in question
>>is 3610274-502. Specific to a Continental 470 or 520 engine. Other parts
>>that are missing are the entire baffle assy Intercylinder between 1&3,
>>2&4, 3&5, and 4&6, as well as the supports for the fuel injection lines
>>that connect to these baffle assy's on top of the engine. These parts
>>(baffles) are not specific to the right engine only, as they are the same
>>part no's for both sides. The other items are the two control rods
>>(mixture & throttle) connecting to the fuel controll!
> e!
>> r from the belcranks. The description in the parts book are "Rod & End
>> Assy". Part no's for these are 6900074-579 and 529 respectively. If
>> ANYONE out there that knows of a 500A fresh to be parted out that we
>> might contact, it would be greatly appreciated. If anyone interested in
>> seeing pics of the parts from the other engine for comparison, I will
>> send them e-mail in short order. We have been calling and looking for
>> these parts for weeks going on a month now. Waiting to fire up the "new"
>> engine on these parts... A O G... I will post if anyone finds these
>> parts or part for us.
>>
>>David Owens
>>Aerial Viewpoint
>>DW Hooks Airport
>>Spring, Texas
>>dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
>>500-A Aero Commander
>>14-AV
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| From: | "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
..Still looking for a lower oil cooler for my 560F.
Tried Morris, Pacific oil cooler and Gary at Commander Aero. Jack Chapell hasn't
returned any calls.
Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to have the
name or number.
Something servicable or repairable.
Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
Thanks,
Phil
N160K
Phil Stubbs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander inventory has been taken |
Can You let me know who has them for sale??? I am desperate for a small part
they may or may not have. Thank you
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander inventory has been taken
>
>
> All the Commander parts are gone.
> I'd forgotten just how much stuff we had until we got it gathered up. A
> half a dozen spare brake assys, wheels, hydraulic accumulator systems
> and bottles, complete nose and main landing gears, valves, actuators,
> engine mount trusses, selsyns, flare launch panels, etc, etc, etc.
>
> Anyway, the new owner has everything now. It'll be up to him to
> keep/dispose/sell/donate as he sees fit.
>
> cheers,
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
Phil,
Try Jack Chappell again....he just called me a couple of days ago and he is
back in town. His # is 951.371.7513.
Also, Earl aircraft in Florida (sorry I have lost their phone #) had an ad
in Trade-a-plane concerning Commander parts.
Good luck!
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
----- Original Message -----
From: <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: Commander-List: cooler search
>
> ..Still looking for a lower oil cooler for my 560F.
> Tried Morris, Pacific oil cooler and Gary at Commander Aero. Jack Chapell
hasn't returned any calls.
> Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to
have the name or number.
> Something servicable or repairable.
> Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
> Thanks,
> Phil
> N160K
>
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
Thanks Moe,
Just heard from Jack a minute ago. Says he's trying to read the data plate
on one.
I'll give Earl a try also.
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Moe <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/2/2006 10:37:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> Phil,
>
> Try Jack Chappell again....he just called me a couple of days ago and he
is
> back in town. His # is 951.371.7513.
>
> Also, Earl aircraft in Florida (sorry I have lost their phone #) had an ad
> in Trade-a-plane concerning Commander parts.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
> To: "commander-list"
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:49 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> >
> > ..Still looking for a lower oil cooler for my 560F.
> > Tried Morris, Pacific oil cooler and Gary at Commander Aero. Jack
Chapell
> hasn't returned any calls.
> > Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to
> have the name or number.
> > Something servicable or repairable.
> > Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> > N160K
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil Stubbs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I thought Earl went out of business.
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
Thanks Moe,
Just heard from Jack a minute ago. Says he's trying to read the data plate
on one.
I'll give Earl a try also.
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Moe <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/2/2006 10:37:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> Phil,
>
> Try Jack Chappell again....he just called me a couple of days ago and he
is
> back in town. His # is 951.371.7513.
>
> Also, Earl aircraft in Florida (sorry I have lost their phone #) had an ad
> in Trade-a-plane concerning Commander parts.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
> To: "commander-list"
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:49 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> >
> > ..Still looking for a lower oil cooler for my 560F.
> > Tried Morris, Pacific oil cooler and Gary at Commander Aero. Jack
Chapell
> hasn't returned any calls.
> > Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to
> have the name or number.
> > Something servicable or repairable.
> > Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
> > Thanks,
> > Phil
> > N160K
> >
> >
> >
> > Phil Stubbs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi guys,
If anyone is looking for a really super-nice 680E, please let me know and I'll
put you in touch with the owner.
It is currently in Guatemala, but don't let that fact deter you.
It was completely restored to ex-factory condition about 3-4 years ago. The
engine overhaul cost more than the whole aircraft did when new!
The only thing different from when it left the factory is the air-conditioning.
Capt JimBob saw it at the TCAC University at Scottsdale in April 2003 and I'm
sure will confirm that, apart from his own 680E, there's probably not another in
better condition.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
bc, there was a magazine article that detailed this aircraft about two
years ago. p s have you ever received the post i sent you? mason
>From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: 680E for sale
>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:47:26 -0000
>
><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>If anyone is looking for a really super-nice 680E, please let me know and
>I'll
>put you in touch with the owner.
>
>It is currently in Guatemala, but don't let that fact deter you.
>
>It was completely restored to ex-factory condition about 3-4 years ago. The
>engine overhaul cost more than the whole aircraft did when new!
>
>The only thing different from when it left the factory is the
>air-conditioning.
>
>Capt JimBob saw it at the TCAC University at Scottsdale in April 2003 and
>I'm
>sure will confirm that, apart from his own 680E, there's probably not
>another in
>better condition.
>
>Very Best Regards,
>Barry
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 680E for sale |
Hi Mason,
That's right, I'd forgotten about that article. It appeared in an issue of Twin
Commander's "Flight Levels" magazine.
And yes, the post you sent arrived safely and I apologise for not letting you
know and to thank you.
Kindest Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680E for sale
|
| bc, there was a magazine article that detailed this aircraft about two
| years ago. p s have you ever received the post i sent you? mason
|
|
| >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| >To:
| >Subject: Commander-List: 680E for sale
| >Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:47:26 -0000
| >
| ><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| >Hi guys,
| >
| >If anyone is looking for a really super-nice 680E, please let me know and
| >I'll
| >put you in touch with the owner.
| >
| >It is currently in Guatemala, but don't let that fact deter you.
| >
| >It was completely restored to ex-factory condition about 3-4 years ago. The
| >engine overhaul cost more than the whole aircraft did when new!
| >
| >The only thing different from when it left the factory is the
| >air-conditioning.
| >
| >Capt JimBob saw it at the TCAC University at Scottsdale in April 2003 and
| >I'm
| >sure will confirm that, apart from his own 680E, there's probably not
| >another in
| >better condition.
| >
| >Very Best Regards,
| >Barry
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680E for sale |
In a message dated 3/2/2006 3:50:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Capt JimBob saw it at the TCAC University at Scottsdale in April 2003 and
I'm
sure will confirm that, apart from his own 680E, there's probably not
another in
better condition.
It is in truly remarkable condition!! Far better than new. The airplane
still belongs to the original owner!! He told me it cost him more to have the
engines overhauled than he paid for the airplane new. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to have
the name or number.
Something servicable or repairable.
Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
Thanks,
Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders in
Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more, sorry. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680E for sale |
Is that the White/Orange and green TG- that was in the magazine? If so I
believe that Sir Barry posted a photo of it on Airliner.com
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0820348&size=L&width=1024&height=694&sok
=JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2C
erznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%2
0NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22gt-qry%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20beqre%20o
l%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=1&prev_id=&next_id=NEXTID
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| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
Hicks & Lawrence may possibly be contacted by the following methods:
Email: duane(at)hickslawrence.com
Phone: 807 937 5544
Fax: 807 937 2464
I say 'possibly', as they may not be current!
Best regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
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|
| In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
| br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
|
| Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to have
| the name or number.
| Something servicable or repairable.
| Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
| Thanks,
|
|
| Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders in
| Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more, sorry.
jb
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| Subject: | Re: 680E for sale |
That's the one!
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: <BertBerry1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E for sale
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| Is that the White/Orange and green TG- that was in the magazine? If so I
| believe that Sir Barry posted a photo of it on Airliner.com
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| http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0820348&size=L&width=1024&height=694&sok
| =JURER%20%20%28ZNGPU%20%28nvepensg%2Cnveyvar%2Ccynpr%2Ccubgb_qngr%2Cpbhagel%2C
| erznex%2Ccubgbtencure%2Crznvy%2Clrne%2Cert%2Cnvepensg_trarevp%2Cpa%2Cpbqr%29%2
| 0NTNVAFG%20%28%27%2B%22gt-qry%22%27%20VA%20OBBYRNA%20ZBQR%29%29%20%20beqre%20o
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B wing? I somehow
found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't find it
again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time.
Thanks,
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover Aerobatics |
Hello everyone in Commanderland.
Check out the following link for a video clip of Bob Hoover
performing his famous Energy Management Maneuver and Iced Tea
Roll in his Shrike Commander. Its pretty spectacular.
. http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0&search=aircraft
<http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQpVI_aldB0&search=aircraft>
Have a good weekend..!!
Randy Dettmer
680F / N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi John,
According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at:
70.10 inches, or
5ft 10.1 in, or
1.781 metres
You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as 70.05
inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line.
However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at Norman has
checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy.
Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than before ;-)
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM
Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
|
| Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B wing? I
somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't find it
again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time.
|
| Thanks,
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| /John
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this!
You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I
had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load accordingly to
get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all
the difference.
Thanks Barry!
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi John,
>
> According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at:
> 70.10 inches, or
> 5ft 10.1 in, or
> 1.781 metres
>
> You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as
> 70.05
> inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line.
> However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at
> Norman has
> checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy.
>
> Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than
> before ;-)
>
> Sincere Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
>
>
>
> |
> | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B
> wing? I
> somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't
> find it
> again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time.
> |
> | Thanks,
> |
> | /John
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover Aerobatics |
Hi Randy,
"Pretty spectacular"?..............It's Awesome!!!
Reminds me of a guy I've flown with a few times.............can't remember his
name.................lives up in the NW somewhere............. ;-)
But, I must say that while Hoover's Energy Management routines are flawless, he
really needed to brush up on his landings ;-)
Thanks Randy!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover Aerobatics
|
| Hello everyone in Commanderland.
|
| Check out the following link for a video clip of Bob Hoover
| performing his famous Energy Management Maneuver and Iced Tea
| Roll in his Shrike Commander. Its pretty spectacular.
|
| . http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DvQpVI_aldB0&search=3Daircraft
| <http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DvQpVI_aldB0&search=3Daircraft>
|
| Have a good weekend..!!
|
| Randy Dettmer
| 680F / N6253X
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"After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all the difference."
Just what my wife was saying earlier...............
.................when we were hanging the curtains!!!!!!!!
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
|
| I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this!
|
| You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I
| had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load accordingly to
| get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all
| the difference.
|
| Thanks Barry!
|
| /John
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
|
|
| > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi John,
| >
| > According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at:
| > 70.10 inches, or
| > 5ft 10.1 in, or
| > 1.781 metres
| >
| > You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as
| > 70.05
| > inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line.
| > However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at
| > Norman has
| > checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy.
| >
| > Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than
| > before ;-)
| >
| > Sincere Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
| > To:
| > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM
| > Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B
| > wing? I
| > somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't
| > find it
| > again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time.
| > |
| > | Thanks,
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| > | /John
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Hi again!
Actually, thinking about it, the point of MAC is shown on factory drawings as
what I can best describe as "a black&white quartered circle" on the top of the
port wing, on the plan view part of the drawing.
So John, next time you're putting some "motion-lotion" in the tanks, you might
want to look across and see if your circle is still there.
It could, of course though, have been painted-over when you had the plane
re-sprayed? ;-)
British humor eh.........doh!!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
|
| I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this!
|
| You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I
| had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load accordingly to
| get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes all
| the difference.
|
| Thanks Barry!
|
| /John
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| To:
| Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
|
|
| > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
| >
| > Hi John,
| >
| > According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at:
| > 70.10 inches, or
| > 5ft 10.1 in, or
| > 1.781 metres
| >
| > You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given as
| > 70.05
| > inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line.
| > However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at
| > Norman has
| > checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small discrepancy.
| >
| > Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than
| > before ;-)
| >
| > Sincere Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
| > To:
| > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM
| > Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
| >
| >
| >
| > |
| > | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a 500-B
| > wing? I
| > somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and can't
| > find it
| > again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time.
| > |
| > | Thanks,
| > |
| > | /John
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Yeah, luckily I haven't been married long enough yet to spend a Friday night
hanging curtains!
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hi again!
>
> Actually, thinking about it, the point of MAC is shown on factory drawings
> as
> what I can best describe as "a black&white quartered circle" on the top of
> the
> port wing, on the plan view part of the drawing.
>
> So John, next time you're putting some "motion-lotion" in the tanks, you
> might
> want to look across and see if your circle is still there.
> It could, of course though, have been painted-over when you had the plane
> re-sprayed? ;-)
>
> British humor eh.........doh!!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
>
>
>
> |
> | I had a feeling that Sir Barry would know this!
> |
> | You refreshed my memory, and the 70.05 figure is the one I think I
> | had....but now, knowing that it is *really* 70.10, I can load
> accordingly to
> | get an extra knot. After all, I'm sure that 5/100ths of an inch makes
> all
> | the difference.
> |
> | Thanks Barry!
> |
> | /John
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | To:
> | Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:30 PM
> | Subject: Re: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
> |
> |
> | > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> | >
> | > Hi John,
> | >
> | > According to the info I have, MAC on a 500B is at:
> | > 70.10 inches, or
> | > 5ft 10.1 in, or
> | > 1.781 metres
> | >
> | > You may have found it in the Maintenance Manual, but here it is given
> as
> | > 70.05
> | > inches, being 118.21 inches from the Fuselage Center Line.
> | > However, the Engineer who worked with Aero Commander's R&D people at
> | > Norman has
> | > checked all the dimension figures for us and found this small
> discrepancy.
> | >
> | > Now you know the correct figure, your 500B will fly even better than
> | > before ;-)
> | >
> | > Sincere Best Regards,
> | > Barry
> | >
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> | > To:
> | > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:02 AM
> | > Subject: Commander-List: MAC/LEMAC
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > |
> | > | Anybody know the Mean Aerodynamic Chord (MAC) and or LEMAC of a
> 500-B
> | > wing? I
> | > somehow found the data a few years ago but have since lost it and
> can't
> | > find it
> | > again....and of course, I have no idea how I found it the first time.
> | > |
> | > | Thanks,
> | > |
> | > | /John
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 03/03/06 |
You might try Harry Merritt doen in titusville his E-Mail address is
_avtec2(at)bellsouth.net_ (mailto:avtec2(at)bellsouth.net) his address is p.o. box2563
Titusville,Fl. 32781-2563 (Gil _Wingflyer1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:Wingflyer1(at)aol.com) )
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
Thanks Barry,
The phone #s are current, new Email is: hr(at)hicksandlawrence.com
Unfortunately no 560F coolers. If you can think of any other possible
sources please let me know.
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Date: 3/3/2006 2:10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hicks & Lawrence may possibly be contacted by the following methods:
>
> Email: duane(at)hickslawrence.com
> Phone: 807 937 5544
> Fax: 807 937 2464
>
> I say 'possibly', as they may not be current!
>
> Best regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> |
> |
> | In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> | br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
> |
> | Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to
have
> | the name or number.
> | Something servicable or repairable.
> | Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
> | Thanks,
> |
> |
> | Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders in
> | Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more,
sorry.
> jb
> |
> |
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
Good Morning Phil,
Have you tried Pacific Oil Cooler Service?
I believe I was told one time that as long as you had an original tank to be
"repaired" they could legally duplicate anything!
The phone number I have is 800 866-7335.
May not be current.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 3/6/2006 12:55:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
Thanks Barry,
The phone #s are current, new Email is: hr(at)hicksandlawrence.com
Unfortunately no 560F coolers. If you can think of any other possible
sources please let me know.
Phil Stubbs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: cooler search |
Hi Bob,
They red tagged the original, didn't mention that option but I will call
and ask.
Thanks for the idea.
Phil
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/6/2006 2:04:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
>
>
> Good Morning Phil,
>
> Have you tried Pacific Oil Cooler Service?
>
> I believe I was told one time that as long as you had an original tank to
be
> "repaired" they could legally duplicate anything!
>
> The phone number I have is 800 866-7335.
>
> May not be current.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2006 12:55:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
>
> Thanks Barry,
>
> The phone #s are current, new Email is: hr(at)hicksandlawrence.com
> Unfortunately no 560F coolers. If you can think of any other possible
> sources please let me know.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
I forwarded this to Don Kelly and he said he would get to it some time this
afternoon.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
Thanks Barry,
The phone #s are current, new Email is: hr(at)hicksandlawrence.com
Unfortunately no 560F coolers. If you can think of any other possible
sources please let me know.
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To:
> Date: 3/3/2006 2:10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hicks & Lawrence may possibly be contacted by the following methods:
>
> Email: duane(at)hickslawrence.com
> Phone: 807 937 5544
> Fax: 807 937 2464
>
> I say 'possibly', as they may not be current!
>
> Best regards,
> Barry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> |
> |
> | In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> | br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
> |
> | Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love to
have
> | the name or number.
> | Something servicable or repairable.
> | Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
> | Thanks,
> |
> |
> | Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders in
> | Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more,
sorry.
> jb
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Phil,
Try SNH Aerospace in SAT. They have helped me several times. Their number is
1 210-655-7765.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
br549phil(at)mindspring.com
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
Hi Bob,
They red tagged the original, didn't mention that option but I will call
and ask.
Thanks for the idea.
Phil
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: <BobsV35B(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Date: 3/6/2006 2:04:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> Good Morning Phil,
>
> Have you tried Pacific Oil Cooler Service?
>
> I believe I was told one time that as long as you had an original tank to
be
> "repaired" they could legally duplicate anything!
>
> The phone number I have is 800 866-7335.
>
> May not be current.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8503
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2006 12:55:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
>
> Thanks Barry,
>
> The phone #s are current, new Email is: hr(at)hicksandlawrence.com
> Unfortunately no 560F coolers. If you can think of any other possible
> sources please let me know.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Gentlemen,
In reviewing my shop manual for a nose wheel shimmy that I have developed I
discovered that I am missing Page 6-9 & 6-10 from my manual.
Would someone be able to fax/Email me these two pages?
Tom F.
Voice: 604-649-9320
Fax: 604-274-1281
Eamil: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:30
Subject: RE: Commander-List: cooler search
>
> I forwarded this to Don Kelly and he said he would get to it some time
this
> afternoon.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> br549phil(at)mindspring.com
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:52 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
>
>
> Thanks Barry,
>
> The phone #s are current, new Email is: hr(at)hicksandlawrence.com
> Unfortunately no 560F coolers. If you can think of any other possible
> sources please let me know.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> > To:
> > Date: 3/3/2006 2:10:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
> >
> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> >
> > Hicks & Lawrence may possibly be contacted by the following methods:
> >
> > Email: duane(at)hickslawrence.com
> > Phone: 807 937 5544
> > Fax: 807 937 2464
> >
> > I say 'possibly', as they may not be current!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Barry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: cooler search
> >
> >
> > |
> > |
> > | In a message dated 3/2/2006 6:50:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > | br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
> > |
> > | Please, If anyone knows of a junkyard that has commanders I'd love
to
> have
> > | the name or number.
> > | Something servicable or repairable.
> > | Been grounded for two weeks now. Corrosion made mine unrepairable.
> > | Thanks,
> > |
> > |
> > | Hick & Lawrnce has the salvage from a 560F. They operate Commanders
in
> > | Canada on a fire contract. I dont have their contact info any more,
> sorry.
> > jb
> > |
> > |
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> > |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:57:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
In reviewing my shop manual for a nose wheel shimmy that I have developed
Tom. The shimmy is from the brake shoe tension on the strut. There are
shims that set the spacing and tension of these. Over the years, the shoes wear
and allow for a lack of tension. Simply remove the friction brake by
loosening the two #3 bolts, remove the brake shoes and springs. Reassemble,
leaving on shim removed and you will be OK. Or, you can do what I do. Buy some
disc brake cleaner in an aerosol can form the local auto parts store.
Liberally spray the friction brake and watch all of the old good run out. When
the
can is empty, the cleaning id complete and the shimmy will almost certainly be
gone for at leas another year. I do have those pages and can fax them this
evening if you send you fax number. Good luck (Ps, keep at least 45psi in
the nose tire). jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI BARRY.
I need to fax Doug J. a document regarding the STC. The fax number
he gave me wont work?? Would it be possible for you to contact him and have
him email me his contact info?? Thanks so much!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Thanks for that, I will proceed as described, I would still like to have
that missing page if you would fax it to 604-274-1281 and I thank you again.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:25
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shop manual
>
>
> In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:57:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
>
> In reviewing my shop manual for a nose wheel shimmy that I have
developed
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