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Any ideas, samples, or internet sites, etc. would be very welcome. So, if it was your plane, and you were spending my money to paint it, what would it look like? Thanks in advance, -Dave ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JBOBSTER(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Scheme Designers _www.schemedesigners.com_ (http://www.schemedesigners.com) is a great source. Jim Seattle ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Paint schemes
Date: Aug 26, 2006
Hi Dave, These are the ones I like http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ZS-RIL/ http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/HP1415/ http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N519WA/ http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ZS-KZZ/ and these are the ones I absolutely adore: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N461JB/ http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/n501tc/ Browse around a bit here if you wish: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders I hope this helps. Thanks Nico > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Phifer > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:05 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Paint schemes > > > With all the (depressing) talk about wings spars, how 'bout something more > fun. > > I am looking at having my newly acquired 500B painted and have been > scouring the internet looking at paint schemes. I am looking for something > "clean", i.e., not too wild as the plane will be used for business > travel. I'm having trouble finding one that says, "that's it." > > Any ideas, samples, or internet sites, etc. would be very welcome. > > So, if it was your plane, and you were spending my money to paint it, what > would it look like? > > Thanks in advance, > > -Dave > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Aug 26, 2006
dp, try texasaerocolor.com mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Phifer<mailto:dave(at)phifersystems.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Commander-List: Paint schemes > With all the (depressing) talk about wings spars, how 'bout something more fun. I am looking at having my newly acquired 500B painted and have been scouring the internet looking at paint schemes. I am looking for something "clean", i.e., not too wild as the plane will be used for business travel. I'm having trouble finding one that says, "that's it." Any ideas, samples, or internet sites, etc. would be very welcome. So, if it was your plane, and you were spending my money to paint it, what would it look like? Thanks in advance, -Dave http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 26, 2006
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
In a message dated 8/26/2006 3:47:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N461JB/ IT IS SUCH A PLEASURE TO SEE N461JB ON THIS SITE.... THE PAINT SCHEME OF WHITE...BLUE AND GOLD TRIM IS A UTOPIA... I JUST FINISHED BUFFING EVERY BIT OF IT AS N261JG GREETING JORGE GONZALEZ SANDIA AIRPARK NORTH..(COMING SOON) 320 DAYS OF NO... IFR SANDIA AIRPARK.COM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Aug 26, 2006
I'm biased, but I love ours..... http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0656180&size=M Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Phifer" <dave(at)phifersystems.com> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: Commander-List: Paint schemes > > With all the (depressing) talk about wings spars, how 'bout something more > fun. > > I am looking at having my newly acquired 500B painted and have been > scouring the internet looking at paint schemes. I am looking for > something "clean", i.e., not too wild as the plane will be used for > business travel. I'm having trouble finding one that says, "that's it." > > Any ideas, samples, or internet sites, etc. would be very welcome. > > So, if it was your plane, and you were spending my money to paint it, what > would it look like? > > Thanks in advance, > > -Dave > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 26, 2006
From: Dave Phifer <dave(at)phifersystems.com>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Nicco: Thanks for letting me browse around. I'm taking ideas from a number of different schemes. I hope I can add a new series of pictures to your list in a few months! I'm loving my new plane, and just starting to get to know it. All the best, -Dave N12LW [] At 02:38 PM 8/26/2006, you wrote: > >Hi Dave, > > These are the ones I like > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ZS-RIL/ > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/HP1415/ > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N519WA/ > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/ZS-KZZ/ > > and these are the ones I absolutely adore: >http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N461JB/ >http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/n501tc/ > > Browse around a bit here if you wish: >http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders > > I hope this helps. >Thanks >Nico > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave >Phifer > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:05 AM > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Commander-List: Paint schemes > > > > > > With all the (depressing) talk about wings spars, how 'bout something more > > fun. > > > > I am looking at having my newly acquired 500B painted and have been > > scouring the internet looking at paint schemes. I am looking for >something > > "clean", i.e., not too wild as the plane will be used for business > > travel. I'm having trouble finding one that says, "that's it." > > > > Any ideas, samples, or internet sites, etc. would be very welcome. > > > > So, if it was your plane, and you were spending my money to paint it, what > > would it look like? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Aug 26, 2006
Hi Jorge, That is perhaps one of the most beautiful Commanders that I have seen. Care to take and send us pictures of N261JG? Thanks nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N461JB/ IT IS SUCH A PLEASURE TO SEE N461JB ON THIS SITE.... THE PAINT SCHEME OF WHITE...BLUE AND GOLD TRIM IS A UTOPIA... I JUST FINISHED BUFFING EVERY BIT OF IT AS N261JG GREETING JORGE GONZALEZ SANDIA AIRPARK NORTH..(COMING SOON) 320 DAYS OF NO... IFR SANDIA AIRPARK.COM ======================= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP
Date: Aug 26, 2006
Gentlemen: I'm looking for parts again. Need two items, one is needed ASAP. Aircraft - 1964 Aero Commander 680 FLP w/Mr. RPM Conversion, SN 1479-6 Parts Needed: 1. ASAP - I need the idler arm, or bracket or whatever it may be called, that attaches to the right engine on one end and to the right engine alternator on the other end. Midway on this bracket is the eccentric idler wheel used to adjust belt tension. The arm has a slight bend to it in near the middle. The old arm broke at the bolt hole on the engine side. We've looked for a part number in the manuals and on the part but no luck. I didn't think of it today, but tomorrow I'll take a picture of the item in case that may help anyone who thinks they might have a part. So many of you guys out there are so knowledgeable about the Aero Commanders you probably know how much it weighs, what time of day it was made, and the name of the wife and children of the guy who made it. (Ha! Ha!) 2. Fuel cap - The cap used is about 2 1/2" diameter, and has a zeus type fastener that engages the anti-siphon value in the fuel tank. The small leaf spring on the cap I have is about useless and I have to check after every refueling to be sure the cap is locked in place because the small leaf spring gets out of place and doesn't do it's job. If anyone has such items please email me at www.hcourier(at)cox.net. My cell phone is 850-217-5185, it's always with me, call anytime. If I'm flying or asleep I turn it off otherwise it rules my life. Thank you, Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP
Date: Aug 26, 2006
(Note: I thought I sent this once, but I didn't get my copy. If this is a repeat please excuse) Gentlemen: I'm looking for parts again. Need two items, one is needed ASAP. Aircraft - 1964 Aero Commander 680 FLP w/Mr. RPM Conversion, SN 1479-6 Parts Needed: 1. ASAP - I need the idler arm, or bracket or whatever it may be called, that attaches to the right engine on one end and to the right engine alternator on the other end. Midway on this bracket is the eccentric idler wheel used to adjust belt tension. The arm has a slight bend to it in near the middle. The old arm broke at the bolt hole on the engine side. We've looked for a part number in the manuals and on the part but no luck. I didn't think of it today, but tomorrow I'll take a picture of the item in case that may help anyone who thinks they might have a part. So many of you guys out there are so knowledgeable about the Aero Commanders you probably know how much it weighs, what time of day it was made, and the name of the wife and children of the guy who made it. (Ha! Ha!) 2. Fuel cap - The cap used is about 2 1/2" diameter, and has a zeus type fastener that engages the anti-siphon value in the fuel tank. The small leaf spring on the cap I have is about useless and I have to check after every refueling to be sure the cap is locked in place because the small leaf spring gets out of place and doesn't do it's job. If anyone has such items please email me at www.hcourier(at)cox.net. My cell phone is 850-217-5185, it's always with me, call anytime. If I'm flying or asleep I turn it off otherwise it rules my life. Thank you, Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP
Date: Aug 27, 2006
rm, there is a aircraft welding shop in san antonio, tx that repaired mine. reasonably priced. from lycoming they are unconcienably expensive. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield<mailto:hcourier(at)cox.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP (Note: I thought I sent this once, but I didn't get my copy. If this is a repeat please excuse) Gentlemen: I'm looking for parts again. Need two items, one is needed ASAP. Aircraft - 1964 Aero Commander 680 FLP w/Mr. RPM Conversion, SN 1479-6 Parts Needed: 1. ASAP - I need the idler arm, or bracket or whatever it may be called, that attaches to the right engine on one end and to the right engine alternator on the other end. Midway on this bracket is the eccentric idler wheel used to adjust belt tension. The arm has a slight bend to it in near the middle. The old arm broke at the bolt hole on the engine side. We've looked for a part number in the manuals and on the part but no luck. I didn't think of it today, but tomorrow I'll take a picture of the item in case that may help anyone who thinks they might have a part. So many of you guys out there are so knowledgeable about the Aero Commanders you probably know how much it weighs, what time of day it was made, and the name of the wife and children of the guy who made it. (Ha! Ha!) 2. Fuel cap - The cap used is about 2 1/2" diameter, and has a zeus type fastener that engages the anti-siphon value in the fuel tank. The small leaf spring on the cap I have is about useless and I have to check after every refueling to be sure the cap is locked in place because the small leaf spring gets out of place and doesn't do it's job. If anyone has such items please email me at www.hcourier@cox.net<http://www.hcourier@cox.net/>. My cell phone is 850-217-5185, it's always with me, call anytime. If I'm flying or asleep I turn it off otherwise it rules my life. Thank you, Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP
Date: Aug 27, 2006
Heck Ray, You're over on the "Redneck Riviera". You should take it over to Bubbas Welding shop and Florist and "Geet er done" $20.00. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:53 PM Subject: Commander-List: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP Gentlemen: I'm looking for parts again. Need two items, one is needed ASAP. Aircraft - 1964 Aero Commander 680 FLP w/Mr. RPM Conversion, SN 1479-6 Parts Needed: 1. ASAP - I need the idler arm, or bracket or whatever it may be called, that attaches to the right engine on one end and to the right engine alternator on the other end. Midway on this bracket is the eccentric idler wheel used to adjust belt tension. The arm has a slight bend to it in near the middle. The old arm broke at the bolt hole on the engine side. We've looked for a part number in the manuals and on the part but no luck. I didn't think of it today, but tomorrow I'll take a picture of the item in case that may help anyone who thinks they might have a part. So many of you guys out there are so knowledgeable about the Aero Commanders you probably know how much it weighs, what time of day it was made, and the name of the wife and children of the guy who made it. (Ha! Ha!) 2. Fuel cap - The cap used is about 2 1/2" diameter, and has a zeus type fastener that engages the anti-siphon value in the fuel tank. The small leaf spring on the cap I have is about useless and I have to check after every refueling to be sure the cap is locked in place because the small leaf spring gets out of place and doesn't do it's job. If anyone has such items please email me at www.hcourier(at)cox.net. My cell phone is 850-217-5185, it's always with me, call anytime. If I'm flying or asleep I turn it off otherwise it rules my life. Thank you, Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 27, 2006
Subject: Commander 520
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Re: Commander 520
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Great Subject -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57930#57930 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
I personally found it a bit lacking! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 Great Subject -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57930#57930 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: 2006 Fly-In and Convention
Date: Aug 28, 2006
10-4 Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:18 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Hi Moe, Sounds good! Yes, I've reserved a room at the Hampton Inns. Looking forward to seeing you again, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing <mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> Pistons Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Hi Barry, This sounds just great. I will be happy to ride around with you and save on the rental car! We are not quite sure of Linn's plans just yet. She has to be in Minnesota for business at about this time. She may drive down, or possibly will not show. For the time being, we are not pre-registering her. Presumably you will be staying at the Hampton Inn, as per the email of August 10th? Currently, plans are for me to arrive Thursday, September 21, around noon, although this may change. Let's stop bickering about the fuel. Best regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:51 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Hi Moe, I've just booked my flights and the hotel in Dayton, plus I've reserved a car from Enterprise. I am arriving in Dayton a day or two early, as I am going to meet Greg Wartinger to have a look through some of the 'stuff' that Dick collected over the years. So, I thought that I can drive you around and you won't need to rent a car. If Lynn needs a car, I'm sure Enterprise will be able to add her, or your name, as a driver. I'm hoping to bring my Navman 'in-car' portable GPS system with me (provided I can load the map software OK!), so we shouldn't get lost!! If you think that'll work OK, let me know. And, I think it's only fair that I make some kind of contribution towards the fuel. I haven't checked a map of the US, but my feeling is that by dropping me off in Oklahoma City, you are taking yourself away from the route you would have normally taken. That makes me feel rather guilty and I will not be able to sleep at nights. Lunch is one thing, gallons & gallons of fuel is another!! Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing <mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> Pistons Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Barry, I would not even consider letting you buy gas, and besides you bought lunch the last time in Jolly Old England. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Hi Moe, If you are absolutely certain that you are not going out of your way to drop me off, that will be simply great! There's quite a good restaurant at Wiley Post (KPWA), so I can treat you (both?) to a spot of late breakfast or lunch! It's literally a few yards walk from the FBO there. Let me know how much you need as the fuel contribution, and I'll make sure I bring enough pieces of the spendable paper! Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing <mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> Pistons Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Hi Barry, I should be leaving Dayton fairly early Sunday morning, and would be delighted to drop you off in Oakie City. This would be a good fuel stop for me, as I go back to Los Angeles. For many years I have had a "thing" about carry on luggage, and seldom take anything on the plane with me. Often I travel with a lot of hardware that couldn't go into the cabin in "the old days". If everything is well packed it travels quite well. I use the same basic technique that we use here at the piston factory.well packed but it should be quick and simple to unpack and repack by the airport inspectors. Foam can be easily cut with an electric knife to make excellent computer, cell phone, and camera packing structures. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2006 Fly-In and Convention Hi All, If I'm able to attend this year's event, I'd like to ask whether anyone is going home on the Sunday (September 24th) via, or within driving distance of, Oklahoma City. If so, are they willing to drop me off there as talking freight? I will, of course, be more than willing to make a contribution towards the fuel costs. I would like to know whether this is a viable option, as I can then book all my flights accordingly. My getting there seems to be contingent on being allowed to take my camera equipment on board the flights as hand luggage, following the events of last week. Somehow, I don't think being forced to having them flown in the baggage hold is sensible, as they will then run the risk of going missing, being pilfered, or damaged. Very Best Regards, Barry ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Ray, Jack Chappell has the fuel caps. 1.951.371.7513. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP rm, there is a aircraft welding shop in san antonio, tx that repaired mine. reasonably priced. from lycoming they are unconcienably expensive. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray <mailto:hcourier(at)cox.net> Mansfield Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP (Note: I thought I sent this once, but I didn't get my copy. If this is a repeat please excuse) Gentlemen: I'm looking for parts again. Need two items, one is needed ASAP. Aircraft - 1964 Aero Commander 680 FLP w/Mr. RPM Conversion, SN 1479-6 Parts Needed: 1. ASAP - I need the idler arm, or bracket or whatever it may be called, that attaches to the right engine on one end and to the right engine alternator on the other end. Midway on this bracket is the eccentric idler wheel used to adjust belt tension. The arm has a slight bend to it in near the middle. The old arm broke at the bolt hole on the engine side. We've looked for a part number in the manuals and on the part but no luck. I didn't think of it today, but tomorrow I'll take a picture of the item in case that may help anyone who thinks they might have a part. So many of you guys out there are so knowledgeable about the Aero Commanders you probably know how much it weighs, what time of day it was made, and the name of the wife and children of the guy who made it. (Ha! Ha!) 2. Fuel cap - The cap used is about 2 1/2" diameter, and has a zeus type fastener that engages the anti-siphon value in the fuel tank. The small leaf spring on the cap I have is about useless and I have to check after every refueling to be sure the cap is locked in place because the small leaf spring gets out of place and doesn't do it's job. If anyone has such items please email me at www.hcourier(at)cox.net. My cell phone is 850-217-5185, it's always with me, call anytime. If I'm flying or asleep I turn it off otherwise it rules my life. Thank you, Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Subject: Re: Commander 520
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
I've got one. I not sure what the question is, though. Bruce Campbell -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander 520 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Hi Deneal, Must be an "iMac" thing. I just get a blank Email. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Subject: Re: Commander 520
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
On 8/28/06 8:00 AM, "Bill Bow" wrote: > > I personally found it a bit lacking! > > bilbo Okay, I'll try this again: On 8/27/06 9:04 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" wrote: I recently came upon a Flying Magazine dated May, 1953. It has a Commander on the cover and a three page article on the same. Ive scanned it and took the liberty of sending it with this email to Nico in case he would like to post it on his website. The file will probably be stripped from the list copy of this mail. Nico, if I can improve the scanned images somehow please let me know. Im not very smart about these things. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Every time I receive an Email from you [Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)] the contents are blank, my Email program [Outlook Express] indicates that your message is in Mime format which I guess I can't read, does anyone else have this problem? Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Subject: Re: Commander 520
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
On 8/28/06 10:44 AM, "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" wrote: > Im > not very smart about these things. I guess this is obvious to you all now! DS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Groovy. Did you have a question? All of the previous postings have been blank. Bruce Campbell -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 On 8/28/06 10:44 AM, "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" wrote: > Im > not very smart about these things. I guess this is obvious to you all now! DS ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Trah Lah! It got through. Ah, life with a mac! Nico: I'd very much like a copy of that file whether it makes it onto the web site or not, given the fact that I'm actually operating one of those puppies. It would be fascinating. Deneal: Good on ya! Thank you for finding that. Bruce Campbell -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 On 8/28/06 8:00 AM, "Bill Bow" wrote: > > I personally found it a bit lacking! > > bilbo Okay, I'll try this again: On 8/27/06 9:04 PM, "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" wrote: I recently came upon a Flying Magazine dated May, 1953. It has a Commander on the cover and a three page article on the same. Ive scanned it and took the liberty of sending it with this email to Nico in case he would like to post it on his website. The file will probably be stripped from the list copy of this mail. Nico, if I can improve the scanned images somehow please let me know. Im not very smart about these things. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Hi again, Deneal, Actually, if I engaged my brain before fingers start hitting 'send' buttons, I would have checked to see whether I already have that article. I have now done that and find I do already have it safely archived! At least, the magazine (Flying) and date (May53) are the same. There's a Red & White Commander 520 on the front cover and it looks like N4116B. If it is the same one, I apologise for troubling you. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
yup, same here... -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > > > Every time I receive an Email from you [Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)] the > contents are blank, my Email program [Outlook Express] indicates that your > message is in Mime format which I guess I can't read, does anyone else have > this problem? > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
yup, same here...

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Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
OK. So this actually brings up the question of how many 520s there are actually flying. Its not a trivial concern because STCs are hard to come by for the model, and so anything approved on any 520 becomes the basis for the few others. I've heard Barry quote the number 7 as the number. If that's the case, and we have most of them here, we can at least coordinate. BTW, Why doesn't the FAA just suspend all of the Part 91 STC requirements when the number of airplanes gets that small? Bruce Campbell AC52 sn 93 ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 yup, same here... ====== upport ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
I wonder if that would be 4186B? Bruce -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi again, Deneal, Actually, if I engaged my brain before fingers start hitting 'send' buttons, I would have checked to see whether I already have that article. I have now done that and find I do already have it safely archived! At least, the magazine (Flying) and date (May53) are the same. There's a Red & White Commander 520 on the front cover and it looks like N4116B. If it is the same one, I apologise for troubling you. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Hi Bruce, No, it's not N4186B! Two reasons. Firstly, I'm virtually certain it starts N411.. The question is whether it's N4116B or N4118B. Secondly, N4186B (s/n 93) hadn't been built by May 1953. Its Manufacturer's Production Flight Check wasn't until July 10th that year, with certification following on July 31st. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Campbell" <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 | | I wonder if that would be 4186B? | | Bruce | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:04 PM | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi again, Deneal, | | Actually, if I engaged my brain before fingers start hitting 'send' | buttons, I | would have checked to see whether I already have that article. | | I have now done that and find I do already have it safely archived! | | At least, the magazine (Flying) and date (May53) are the same. There's a | Red & | White Commander 520 on the front cover and it looks like N4116B. | | If it is the same one, I apologise for troubling you. | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> | To: | Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:23 PM | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 | | || || || | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Commander 520I will post these on the website this afternoon. Sorry for the late response. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: info(at)cybersuperstore.com Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: FW: Commander 520 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Deneal Schilmeister (iMac) [mailto:deneals(at)sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:55 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com; css nico Subject: Commander 520 I recently came upon a "Flying Magazine" dated May, 1953. It has a Commander on the cover and a three page article on the same. I've scanned it and took the liberty of sending it with this email to Nico in case he would like to post it on his website. The file will probably be stripped from the list copy of this mail. Nico, if I can improve the scanned images somehow please let me know. I'm not very smart about these things. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Sorry, too late! ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi again, Deneal, Actually, if I engaged my brain before fingers start hitting 'send' buttons, I would have checked to see whether I already have that article. I have now done that and find I do already have it safely archived! At least, the magazine (Flying) and date (May53) are the same. There's a Red & White Commander 520 on the front cover and it looks like N4116B. If it is the same one, I apologise for troubling you. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 28, 2006
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Hi Nico... I am hoping to get some in-flite pictures of the shiny N261JG soon.. Will send some photos. JG ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Looking for parts for a AC 680 FLP
Ray, Contact General Aviation Maintenance, GAM, Steve Nott, in Melbourne, Australia. Phone +61 3 9379 1019, fax +61 3 9374 2620. Also, there is a firm here , J&R Aerospace, who make a range of hard to get bits for Aero Commanders, they can reproduce to a pattern, that would probably need a DER/337 sign-off, depending on the views of your A&P/IA. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 12:52 PM 27/08/2006, you wrote: >Gentlemen: > > I'm looking for parts again. Need two items, one is needed ASAP. > > Aircraft - 1964 Aero Commander 680 FLP w/Mr. RPM Conversion, SN 1479-6 > > Parts Needed: > > 1. ASAP - I need the idler arm, or bracket or whatever it > may be called, that attaches to the right engine on one end and to > the right engine alternator on the other > end. Midway on this bracket is the eccentric idler wheel used to adjust > belt tension. The arm has a slight bend to > it in near the middle. The old arm broke at the bolt hole on the > engine side. We've looked for a part > number in the manuals and on the part but no luck. I didn't think > of it today, but tomorrow I'll take a > picture of the item in case that may help anyone who thinks they > might have a part. > > So many of you guys out there are so > knowledgeable about the Aero Commanders you probably know > how much it weighs, what time of day it > was made, and the name of the wife and children of the guy who made > it. (Ha! Ha!) > > 2. Fuel cap - The cap used is about 2 1/2" diameter, and has a > zeus type fastener that engages the anti-siphon value in the > fuel tank. The small leaf spring on the > cap I have is about useless and I have to check after every refueling to > be sure the cap is locked in place because > the small leaf spring gets out of place and doesn't do it's job. > > If anyone has such items please email me at > <http://www.hcourier@cox.net>www.hcourier@cox.net. My cell phone > is 850-217-5185, it's always with me, call >anytime. If I'm flying or asleep I turn it off otherwise it rules my life. > > >Thank you, > >Ray Mansfield >Ft. Walton Beach, FL > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Date: Aug 29, 2006
This aircraft is no longer flying: N295V -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58191#58191 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 29, 2006
Subject: N295V
Hey Milt, What happened to 295V? Was it taken out of service, wrecked? If so when and where. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: N295V
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Date: Aug 29, 2006
It sold on e bay awhile back for pennies. Had severe intragranular corrosion in the spar and many of the control surfaces, Sad. It was my favorite airplane and the sweetest flying machine ever to take to the air. [Crying or Very sad] -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58222#58222 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: N295V
Date: Aug 29, 2006
Hi Milt, Yes, I'd like to know too! Last I knew was s/n 152 was sold to Keistin G & David C Goad, of Enterprise, Florida on November 15th last year. Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Commander-List: N295V Hey Milt, What happened to 295V? Was it taken out of service, wrecked? If so when and where. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 29, 2006
Subject: Re: Commander 520
In a message dated 8/28/2006 1:40:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: Bruce Bruce, there are a couple of 700hr GO-480s, from a 560 in trade-a-plane. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: sb-226
Date: Aug 29, 2006
Does anyone have a SB-226 flap pulley tool that I could borrow/rent ? Phil Stubbs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 29, 2006
Subject: Re: sb-226
I have one. Or you can use a #30 (1/8') drill bit. Place it in the pulley grove and look for any light showing through. Try to provide a bit of "back light" to see it more clearly. I do have the tool. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 29, 2006
Subject: Re: Commander 520
In a message dated 8/28/2006 1:40:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: Bruce There are a couple of GO-480s, 700 smoh, removed from a Commander 560, in trade-a-plane?? jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: sb-226
Date: Aug 30, 2006
Yes Harry 321-267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: br549phil(at)mindspring.com To: commander-list Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Commander-List: sb-226 Does anyone have a SB-226 flap pulley tool that I could borrow/rent ? Phil Stubbs ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 30, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
It's 700 for one and 1400 for the other. Before I put money down I need to get approval for the swap. I guess it's time to find that other 520's paperwork. Bruce Campbell AC52 ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 In a message dated 8/28/2006 1:40:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: Bruce There are a couple of GO-480s, 700 smoh, removed from a Commander 560, in trade-a-plane?? jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Aug 30, 2006
I think I have the parts to repair the inter granular corrosion on the main truss's Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Paint schemes > > This aircraft is no longer flying: N295V > > > -------- > Milt > N395V > F1 Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=58191#58191 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520
Date: Aug 30, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
BTW, and interesting note on http://www.prime-mover.org/Engines/Lycoming/Lyc_Cert_list.html. On the listing for GO 480 B1D is an interesting note: GO-480-B with low speed generator drive and heavy magnetos (GO-435-C2B with 5-1/8 in. bore). This document is a shadow of the FAA data, I believe. If so, then it should be easy to either approve the GO480B1B or B1D for installation, or convert the GO480 B1 to a GO435 C2B2. But I think its probably a good idea to clear with the IA and FSDO folks before proceeding. Bruce ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 In a message dated 8/28/2006 1:40:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: Bruce There are a couple of GO-480s, 700 smoh, removed from a Commander 560, in trade-a-plane?? jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Hi Everyone! Regrettably, Moe Mills is not now able to attend the Fly-In. Accordingly, he will not now be able to drop me off in Oklahoma City. So, I'm posting this to see if anyone else will be headed back in that direction after the Fly-In and, if so, whether they will be willing to drop me off there, or within driving distance. If so, I will of course be more than happy to contribute towards the fuel costs. If I don't hear from anyone by the middle of next week, I'll make the necessary change to the flights I have already booked. Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Sep 01, 2006
bc, I have a mid day sunday american flight back to dfw. if you wish to make that trip I will get you to okc. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi Everyone! Regrettably, Moe Mills is not now able to attend the Fly-In. Accordingly, he will not now be able to drop me off in Oklahoma City. So, I'm posting this to see if anyone else will be headed back in that direction after the Fly-In and, if so, whether they will be willing to drop me off there, or within driving distance. If so, I will of course be more than happy to contribute towards the fuel costs. If I don't hear from anyone by the middle of next week, I'll make the necessary change to the flights I have already booked. Very Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Hi Mason, Thanks! But, as all my other flights are with American, so it will probably be easier for me just to add a Dayton - OKC leg in to what I've already booked. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In bc, I have a mid day sunday american flight back to dfw. if you wish to make that trip I will get you to okc. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi Everyone! Regrettably, Moe Mills is not now able to attend the Fly-In. Accordingly, he will not now be able to drop me off in Oklahoma City. So, I'm posting this to see if anyone else will be headed back in that direction after the Fly-In and, if so, whether they will be willing to drop me off there, or within driving distance. If so, I will of course be more than happy to contribute towards the fuel costs. If I don't hear from anyone by the middle of next week, I'll make the necessary change to the flights I have already booked. Very Best Regards, Barry title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Subject: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
HI KIDS. ITS TIME!! We need your registration forms now!! The arrangements are made but we need a good count. Please send your forms in today! This year we have some great stuff planed with a flyout to eagle creek aviation a d a tour of the Indy 500 museum, even a ride around the course can be arranged. Also, the Hobbs meter on N222JS turned 500 hr yesterday!! That is 500 hrs since I restored her and put her back in service. Those of you new to the list may not know that "triple 2" was basically tossed it the weeds and rotting away a 8 years ago when I bought her a flew her home. Since then, I have refurbished almost all of her systems including, paint, int, avionics (still working on that), propellers, engines etc. I have had tons of fun flying her to all sorts of places for work and pleasure (just yesterday I flew her on a short biz trip). It has been a great ride and I hope there are many more years left in her!! Hope all is well in your "Commandland" jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Hi Jimbob, You can add me to your accurate count...I'll be there, of course! I'll mail my form today. If I can find it. I just moved to a new house while I remodel my primary residence, so things are a little confusing... /J ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN REGISTRATION HI KIDS. ITS TIME!! We need your registration forms now!! The arrangements are made but we need a good count. Please send your forms in today! This year we have some great stuff planed with a flyout to eagle creek aviation a d a tour of the Indy 500 museum, even a ride around the course can be arranged. Also, the Hobbs meter on N222JS turned 500 hr yesterday!! That is 500 hrs since I restored her and put her back in service. Those of you new to the list may not know that "triple 2" was basically tossed it the weeds and rotting away a 8 years ago when I bought her a flew her home. Since then, I have refurbished almost all of her systems including, paint, int, avionics (still working on that), propellers, engines etc. I have had tons of fun flying her to all sorts of places for work and pleasure (just yesterday I flew her on a short biz trip). It has been a great ride and I hope there are many more years left in her!! Hope all is well in your "Commandland" jb __________ NOD32 1.1729 (20060828) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1729 (20060828) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Commanders! I'll be missing the fly-in this year, as N414C is still in rehab- and we just had our first child this week, so I'll be needing to spend time close to home in support of the new mother! The minute next year's schedule is posted- I'm reserving the spot on the calendar. With any luck, N414C will be finished by then. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 09:53 Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN REGISTRATION HI KIDS. ITS TIME!! We need your registration forms now!! The arrangements are made but we need a good count. Please send your forms in today! This year we have some great stuff planed with a flyout to eagle creek aviation a d a tour of the Indy 500 museum, even a ride around the course can be arranged. Also, the Hobbs meter on N222JS turned 500 hr yesterday!! That is 500 hrs since I restored her and put her back in service. Those of you new to the list may not know that "triple 2" was basically tossed it the weeds and rotting away a 8 years ago when I bought her a flew her home. Since then, I have refurbished almost all of her systems including, paint, int, avionics (still working on that), propellers, engines etc. I have had tons of fun flying her to all sorts of places for work and pleasure (just yesterday I flew her on a short biz trip). It has been a great ride and I hope there are many more years left in her!! Hope all is well in your "Commandland" jb __________ NOD32 1.1734 (20060831) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Hi JimBob, I'll be there. Count my registration as in your hands and I'll settle the dues when we meet. Congratulations on "Triple Two. Jim & Sue" reaching 500 of restored flying!! Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN REGISTRATION HI KIDS. ITS TIME!! We need your registration forms now!! The arrangements are made but we need a good count. Please send your forms in today! This year we have some great stuff planed with a flyout to eagle creek aviation a d a tour of the Indy 500 museum, even a ride around the course can be arranged. Also, the Hobbs meter on N222JS turned 500 hr yesterday!! That is 500 hrs since I restored her and put her back in service. Those of you new to the list may not know that "triple 2" was basically tossed it the weeds and rotting away a 8 years ago when I bought her a flew her home. Since then, I have refurbished almost all of her systems including, paint, int, avionics (still working on that), propellers, engines etc. I have had tons of fun flying her to all sorts of places for work and pleasure (just yesterday I flew her on a short biz trip). It has been a great ride and I hope there are many more years left in her!! Hope all is well in your "Commandland" jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Anyone in touch with the 520 with the 680 tail?
Date: Sep 01, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
I understand they have the GO480B1D engines, and I need to get a copy of the paperwork for my plane. GO435s have gotten scarce. Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Subject: Re: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
Rob, Congratulations on your new addition. Sorry you will be missing this year's event, but we understand. Look forward to seeing you next year. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Subject: Re: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
John (and others) If you can't find your registration form, let us know your email address and we can send it electronically. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 01, 2006
From: "Joseph Menchetti" <menchettij(at)gmail.com>
Subject: How many 680F that still fly?
Hello Friends, i live in venezuela, i own a 1961 680F S/N 1140-78, i would like to know how many are still flying in the world, also im selling it, plus many 680E parts and engines ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N2609B
Date: Sep 01, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Has GO 480 engines approved for it. The owner is Listed as James T Williams. Anyone in touch? Do I need to find the original paper work or is the FAA database info enough? Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Subject: Re: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
jb, Form in the mail for N47AC ken ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How many 680F that still fly?
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Hello Joseph, With no guarantees that they are all active and flying, there appears to be 45 candidates. 23 in the USA and 22 elsewhere in the World. What are the aircraft serial numbers of the 680E's that you are selling parts & engines from? Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Menchetti To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: How many 680F that still fly? Hello Friends, i live in venezuela, i own a 1961 680F S/N 1140-78, i would like to know how many are still flying in the world, also im selling it, plus many 680E parts and engines ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Subject: Fwd: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
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From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: FLY-IN REGISTRATION
Date: Sep 01, 2006
"to home in support of the new mother!" I would highly recommend it! Bilbo father of 2 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FLY-IN REGISTRATION Commanders! I'll be missing the fly-in this year, as N414C is still in rehab- and we just had our first child this week, so I'll be needing to spend time close to home in support of the new mother! The minute next year's schedule is posted- I'm reserving the spot on the calendar. With any luck, N414C will be finished by then. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 09:53 Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN REGISTRATION HI KIDS. ITS TIME!! We need your registration forms now!! The arrangements are made but we need a good count. Please send your forms in today! This year we have some great stuff planed with a flyout to eagle creek aviation a d a tour of the Indy 500 museum, even a ride around the course can be arranged. Also, the Hobbs meter on N222JS turned 500 hr yesterday!! That is 500 hrs since I restored her and put her back in service. Those of you new to the list may not know that "triple 2" was basically tossed it the weeds and rotting away a 8 years ago when I bought her a flew her home. Since then, I have refurbished almost all of her systems including, paint, int, avionics (still working on that), propellers, engines etc. I have had tons of fun flying her to all sorts of places for work and pleasure (just yesterday I flew her on a short biz trip). It has been a great ride and I hope there are many more years left in her!! Hope all is well in your "Commandland" jb ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1734 (20060831) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2006
Subject: Re: Anyone in touch with the 520 with the 680 tail?
In a message dated 9/1/2006 10:39:12 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: I understand they have the GO480B1D engines, and I need to get a copy of the paperwork for my plane. GO435s have gotten scarce. BRUCE. I have been in phone contact with the owner of that airplane twice today on your behalf. Unfortunately, the airplane is not located at his home yet and he doe snot have access to the logbooks. He is willing to help in your conversion (he owes me). At this point he doesn't know if the installation was done as a field approval, one time STC or multiple STC, but he will find out and let me know. I'll keep you informed. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 04, 2006
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2006 Fly-In and Convention
Jimbob: My September has finally stabilized - I'll be there. I'm sending the reg form to you, but wanted to confirm with you now so you can update your count. I will be traveling on business that week, so I will be commercialing in this year. ;>( thanks! Alan On 8/10/06, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > > The TCFG Flyin and Convention is about 6 weeks away and I hope all of you > are planning on attending. The event will be held at Commander Aero's > facilities on the Wright Brothers Airport in Miamisburg, Ohio (near > Dayton). Plan to come early and tour the historic aviation sites of > Dayton. > > > Our Hosts, Commander Aero have put together a great program for us > including a visit to the Air Force Museum, a fly out to Eagle creek > Airport and visit to Indianapolis Motor Speedway Museum, plus a line-up of > speakers. The cost is only $150 and includes admission to all of the > seminars (museum admission costs will be extra), dinner on three nights, > continental breakfast on three mornings and lunch. > > > Registration packets are on the way to current TCFG members. If you are > not a current member, let us know and we would be happy to send you the > information. > > > *Hotel Reservations*: A Block of rooms has been reserved at the Hampton > Inn & Suites for this event at the following rates: > > > Standard Room $79.00 > > Suite $94.00 > > > Phone Number: (937)743-2121 > > > When making reservations let them know that you are with the Twin > Commander Flight Group (TCFG). In order to receive this rate *rooms must > be booked no later than September 1st*. After that the rooms will be > released for general booking at regular rates. > > > *Rental Cars*: Both Enterprise and Hertz service Wright Brothers Airport. > Enterprise can deliver a car to the airport and Commander Aero can > complete the paperwork, thereby avoiding any delays in picking up and > returning your car. If booking through Enterprise please let them know > your estimated time of arrival and that you would like the paperwork left > with Commander Aero. > > > Enterprise 937-291-6370 > > Hertz 937-438-0175 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN DATES TO REMAIN UNCHANGED (SEPT 21-23)
Date: Sep 04, 2006
mr metzger, I am planning on attending. mason 2001M thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN DATES TO REMAIN UNCHANGED (SEPT 21-23) HI KIDS. After careful consideration, I have decided to leave the flyin date the same. This will not allow a couple of significant people to attend, but there are other conflicts with just about every other date, so................. I am deeply saddened that not everyone who wants to attend will be able to, I look forward to seeing all of you. This years event should be the best yet. We have two social events planed that will rally be fun. Jon Bosch has already done a lot of planning and it will be a great time for all!! See you there. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 05, 2006
Subject: FLYIN
LETS GO EVERYBODY! The time is short, if you are planning to attend the flyin, get those registration forms in today!! If you havent planed to attend, change your plans and BE THERE!! John V, tell the crowd how much fun it is Milt, are the flyins a blast or what?? Chris S. Dont we always have a great time and learn a lot?? Barry C., who has more fun that us!! Hope ALL of you will be there!! See everybody soon. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 05, 2006
YES - COME ON LADS! Get those Registration Forms in NOW!! I haven't missed a single Fly-In yet and the ones organised by Capt JimBob are an absolute HOOT. So, if you haven't attended one before, think on this: Why do I keep coming back? Why do three people travel all the way from AUSTRALIA virtually every year? (That's way down under if your geography's not too good!). Why? Because we have a lot of fun and there's also a lot of useful information for the guys that fly Commanders, as an added bonus. See YOU there? Best Regards, Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN LETS GO EVERYBODY! The time is short, if you are planning to attend the flyin, get those registration forms in today!! If you havent planed to attend, change your plans and BE THERE!! John V, tell the crowd how much fun it is Milt, are the flyins a blast or what?? Chris S. Dont we always have a great time and learn a lot?? Barry C., who has more fun that us!! Hope ALL of you will be there!! See everybody soon. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 05, 2006
I'm seconding Barry's motion...BE THERE if you have any interest in Commanders at all. Be there even if you don't, and you just want to have a heck of a good time. Jimbob always puts on a great show, the participants have tons of fun, and it's a great excuse to get out of the house! I haven't missed one of these since I bought my airplane. It's well worth it!!!! /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN YES - COME ON LADS! Get those Registration Forms in NOW!! I haven't missed a single Fly-In yet and the ones organised by Capt JimBob are an absolute HOOT. So, if you haven't attended one before, think on this: Why do I keep coming back? Why do three people travel all the way from AUSTRALIA virtually every year? (That's way down under if your geography's not too good!). Why? Because we have a lot of fun and there's also a lot of useful information for the guys that fly Commanders, as an added bonus. See YOU there? Best Regards, Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN LETS GO EVERYBODY! The time is short, if you are planning to attend the flyin, get those registration forms in today!! If you havent planed to attend, change your plans and BE THERE!! John V, tell the crowd how much fun it is Milt, are the flyins a blast or what?? Chris S. Dont we always have a great time and learn a lot?? Barry C., who has more fun that us!! Hope ALL of you will be there!! See everybody soon. jb ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1729 (20060828) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1729 (20060828) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 06, 2006
G'day Folks, This Aussie is blasting in to Dayton. Flyins are a fabulous way of those of us who are still patiently looking for our first Commander to 'kick some tires'. Commander Aero are great hosts and PLEASE make a big effort everyone to get along...you are going to get some more Oz accents to practice for free!! Big thanks to Jimbob for getting this one ready for us! You are all great mates to have...catch you there!!!!!!! Cheers Russell ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:24:36 -0700 >From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN >To: > > I'm seconding Barry's motion...BE THERE if you have > any interest in Commanders at all. Be there even if > you don't, and you just want to have a heck of a > good time. Jimbob always puts on a great show, the > participants have tons of fun, and it's a great > excuse to get out of the house! > > I haven't missed one of these since I bought my > airplane. It's well worth it!!!! > > /John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barry Collman > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN > YES - COME ON LADS! Get those Registration Forms > in NOW!! > > I haven't missed a single Fly-In yet and the ones > organised by Capt JimBob are an absolute HOOT. > So, if you haven't attended one before, think on > this: > Why do I keep coming back? > Why do three people travel all the way from > AUSTRALIA virtually every year? (That's way down > under if your geography's not too good!). > > Why? Because we have a lot of fun and there's also > a lot of useful information for the guys that fly > Commanders, as an added bonus. > > See YOU there? > > Best Regards, > Barry C. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:21 PM > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN > LETS GO EVERYBODY! The time is short, if you > are planning to attend the flyin, get those > registration forms in today!! If you havent > planed to attend, change your plans and BE > THERE!! John V, tell the crowd how much fun it > is Milt, are the flyins a blast or what?? > Chris S. Dont we always have a great time and > learn a lot?? Barry C., who has more fun that > us!! Hope ALL of you will be there!! See > everybody soon. jb > > > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > > __________ NOD32 1.1729 (20060828) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus > system. > http://www.eset.com > > __________ NOD32 1.1729 (20060828) Information > __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus > system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Cheap transportation
Date: Sep 06, 2006
Message Save gas, teach your car to do this: -- 2006/09/04 -- 2006/09/04 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Maintenance Manuals
Date: Sep 07, 2006
Hi Everbody! I would like to enlist the help any anybody who has a Maintenance Manual covering the Model they operate. In there should be a page titled "Detailed Engine Specifications". I think there will probably be three Fuel Consumption figures shown (gal./hr.), most likely Cruise at 75% Rated Power; 65% Rated Power and 60% Rated Power. I would really appreciate those details being sent to me, plus the Engine Model of course, which ought to be as quoted on the very first line. I would like to incorporate this data into each Model's 'Fact File' that has been compiled. Sincere Best Regards, Barry C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2006
From: <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Maintenance Manuals
Barry, My regular email is down and I am having to go through the Internet to send and receive mail, I don't know if you will be able to open the attachment or not. Let me know and I will try something else ---- Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Everbody! > > I would like to enlist the help any anybody who has a Maintenance Manual covering the Model they operate. > > In there should be a page titled "Detailed Engine Specifications". > > Sincere Best Regards, > Barry C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2006
From: <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Maintenance Manuals
Barry, My regular email is down and I am having to go through the internet to send and recieve mail, I don't know if you will be able to open the attachment or not. Let me know and I will try something else ---- Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Everbody! > > I would like to enlist the help any anybody who has a Maintenance Manual covering the Model they operate. > > In there should be a page titled "Detailed Engine Specifications". > > Sincere Best Regards, > Barry C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 07, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Nav Lens
Good Morning everyone, I am looking for a right wing Nav lens [green] for a 500B late sn#. This lens is shaped like a little more than 1/4 of a "pie". Any help is sure appreciated. Thank you, Donnie Rose 205-492-8444 Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Maintenance Manuals
Date: Sep 07, 2006
Hi again Everybody! I have just received an email from Jim Addington, who very kindly sent a .jpg of the relevant page in his Maintenance Manual (500A). As the details on 'Fuel Consumption' were not shown, it could be that the factory stopped publishing then when the 'Speed-line' nacelle Models came on line. The details I need were certainly published in my copy for the Model 720. So, it looks as if I'll have to try another source for this data! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Commander-List: Maintenance Manuals Hi Everybody! I would like to enlist the help any anybody who has a Maintenance Manual covering the Model they operate. In there should be a page titled "Detailed Engine Specifications". I think there will probably be three Fuel Consumption figures shown (gal./hr.), most likely Cruise at 75% Rated Power; 65% Rated Power and 60% Rated Power. I would really appreciate those details being sent to me, plus the Engine Model of course, which ought to be as quoted on the very first line. I would like to incorporate this data into each Model's 'Fact File' that has been compiled. Sincere Best Regards, Barry C. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 07, 2006
Subject: TCFG Directory
Hi Gang, Remember if you have any changes to your personal information or recommended vendors we need to have that information by September 12th so we can update the Membership and Vendor Directory in time for the Fly-In. Hope you're planning to attend as well. Thanks, jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 08, 2006
Just picked up on the fly-in - when, Where? I may have my ship airworthy by soon. Gary Moshluk N206DX ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN LETS GO EVERYBODY! The time is short, if you are planning to attend the flyin, get those registration forms in today!! If you havent planed to attend, change your plans and BE THERE!! John V, tell the crowd how much fun it is Milt, are the flyins a blast or what?? Chris S. Dont we always have a great time and learn a lot?? Barry C., who has more fun that us!! Hope ALL of you will be there!! See everybody soon. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2006
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: ENGINE MOUNT
There is an engine mount on ebay. Says it is for a Commander 500. Bid is at $50. dan f --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 09, 2006
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: ENGINE MOUNT
Dan, you going to the fly-in? Are you bringing your airplane? /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT There is an engine mount on ebay. Says it is for a Commander 500. Bid is at $50. dan f __________ NOD32 1.1718 (20060821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1718 (20060821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2006
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/09/06
John V and TCFG as yet I have not "officially" said I am not coming. I have planned to since we left CA. However right now is slim to none and I think slim has left town. I was thinking of asking SIR JB if he would like to auction off some more "TWIN COMMANDER" bottle openers. I think they brought a little over $50 bucks for the group. Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2006-09-09.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2006-09-09.txt =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/09/06: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:07 AM - ENGINE MOUNT (Dan Farmer) 2. 01:44 PM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT There is an engine mount on ebay. Says it is for a Commander 500. Bid is at $50. dan f --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT Dan, you going to the fly-in? Are you bringing your airplane? /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT There is an engine mount on ebay. Says it is for a Commander 500. Bid is at $50. dan f __________ NOD32 1.1718 (20060821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1718 (20060821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 10, 2006
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/09/06
That sucks, I was hoping we'd see you there! /J ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:13 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/09/06 John V and TCFG as yet I have not "officially" said I am not coming. I have planned to since we left CA. However right now is slim to none and I think slim has left town. I was thinking of asking SIR JB if he would like to auction off some more "TWIN COMMANDER" bottle openers. I think they brought a little over $50 bucks for the group. Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2006-09-09.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2006-09-09.txt =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/09/06: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:07 AM - ENGINE MOUNT (Dan Farmer) 2. 01:44 PM - Re: ENGINE MOUNT (John Vormbaum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT There is an engine mount on ebay. Says it is for a Commander 500. Bid is at $50. dan f --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: John Vormbaum Subject: Re: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT Dan, you going to the fly-in? Are you bringing your airplane? /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Commander-List: ENGINE MOUNT There is an engine mount on ebay. Says it is for a Commander 500. Bid is at $50. dan f __________ NOD32 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. __________ NOD32 1.1718 (20060821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1718 (20060821) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN DATES TO REMAIN UNCHANGED (SEPT 21-23)
Date: Sep 10, 2006
JM, sorry for the delay registration and check went out in the mail yesterday. look forward to seeing everyone again. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:21 AM Subject: Commander-List: FLY-IN DATES TO REMAIN UNCHANGED (SEPT 21-23) HI KIDS. After careful consideration, I have decided to leave the flyin date the same. This will not allow a couple of significant people to attend, but there are other conflicts with just about every other date, so................. I am deeply saddened that not everyone who wants to attend will be able to, I look forward to seeing all of you. This years event should be the best yet. We have two social events planed that will rally be fun. Jon Bosch has already done a lot of planning and it will be a great time for all!! See you there. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 10, 2006
Subject: Re: FLY-IN DATES TO REMAIN UNCHANGED (SEPT 21-23)
Mason, Look forward to seeing you and all of the gang for a great time at the Fly-In. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: heater scematic for 1954 560
Date: Sep 10, 2006
I have a straight 1954 560 (serial # 173) and am having a problem with my ventillation blower. I can hear the relays actuate but no breeze. I can jump the blower relay and get the blower to operate.....? This series had the heater in the nose. Does anyone have an electrical system schematic I can get a copy of to trouble shoot with? Gary Moshluk N206DX ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: heater scematic for 1954 560
Date: Sep 10, 2006
From: rnjthompson(at)aol.com
Gary, Speak to Geoffrey Pence at Twin Commander. He has helped me out a nu,mber of times as my 680E wiring in no way resembled the manuals. He sent me the origional diagrams for my airplane. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: gmosh(at)charter.net Sent: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Commander-List: heater scematic for 1954 560 I have a straight 1954 560 (serial # 173) and am having a problem with my ventillation blower. I can hear the relays actuate but no breeze. I can jump the blower relay and get the blower to operate.....? This series had the heater in the nose. Does anyone have an electrical system schematic I can get a copy of to trouble shoot with? Gary Moshluk N206DX ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 12, 2006
Subject: FLYIN
HI KIDS. Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there with some pretty scary ideas. There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even arrange for a ride around the track!! Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 12, 2006
Folks, I have been trying to work it so that I could attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - not because of a lack of desire and love for that which we share, but circumstances that I could not control have it otherwise. One of the things that has obstructed this year's attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of Commanders that I encounter will be taken for publication. Sadly, Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN HI KIDS. Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there with some pretty scary ideas. There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even arrange for a ride around the track!! Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: FLYIN
Date: Sep 12, 2006
Jim- You certainly have me wanting to attend! Our little girl arrived into the world two weeks ago- so I won't be able to make the trip... But I'm still planning to join you all for 2007! Will give me just the excuse I need to get in some flying. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 20:56 Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN HI KIDS. Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there with some pretty scary ideas. There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even arrange for a ride around the track!! Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG __________ NOD32 1.1744 (20060908) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Hi All, This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" in September. JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in a new diary. Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas and Easter. So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time for anything else other than Commanders. No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. Moaner-in-Chief Collman. ----- Original Message ----- From: css nico To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN Folks, I have been trying to work it so that I could attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - not because of a lack of desire and love for that which we share, but circumstances that I could not control have it otherwise. One of the things that has obstructed this year's attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of Commanders that I encounter will be taken for publication. Sadly, Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN HI KIDS. Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there with some pretty scary ideas. There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even arrange for a ride around the track!! Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com>
Subject: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Moaner-in-Chief Collman, Well put old chap. Seems that us colonials, from the old country and the penal colony seem to be able to make the fly-In every year. Not that it is far or anything. My round trip this time will about 26 000 Mi. A complete circumnavigation of the globe. I WONDER WHY SO MANY LOCALS CANT MAKE IT? See Yaaaaaaall next week. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2006 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN Hi All, This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" in September. JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in a new diary. Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas and Easter. So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time for anything else other than Commanders. No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. Moaner-in-Chief Collman. ----- Original Message ----- From: css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> nico Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN Folks, I have been trying to work it so that I could attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - not because of a lack of desire and love for that which we share, but circumstances that I could not control have it otherwise. One of the things that has obstructed this year's attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of Commanders that I encounter will be taken for publication. Sadly, Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN HI KIDS. Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there with some pretty scary ideas. There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even arrange for a ride around the track!! Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
bc, yes dear. mason >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:27 +0100 > >Hi All, > >This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that the Fly-In is >held near enough at the same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last >"weekend" in September. > >JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' rationale, but knowing this >should enable everyone to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept >absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. "FLY-IN" should be the very >first entry you make in a new diary. > >Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of siblings are more >important. The idea was to avoid 'randomly selected' dates and make the >Fly-In a time of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas and Easter. > >So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the next-to-last weekend of >September is a "no-go" time for anything else other than Commanders. > >No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, buy one and make YOUR >entry in it NOW. > >Moaner-in-Chief Collman. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: css nico > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN > > > Folks, > I have been trying to work it so that I could attend this year's fly-in. >It is not panning out - not because of a lack of desire and love for that >which we share, but circumstances that I could not control have it >otherwise. > One of the things that has obstructed this year's attendance, is a trip >to South Africa that I have to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of >Commanders that I encounter will be taken for publication. > Sadly, > Nico > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN > > > HI KIDS. > > Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more >of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be >on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both >Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence >(TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be >speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there >with some pretty scary ideas. > There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, >like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even >arrange for a ride around the track!! > Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be >there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG > > >ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
G'day Folks, I can't more strongly recommend our TCFG Flyins...my plan is to visit from Oz this year and buy me a Commander...my travel is a clear 5 hours longer than Richard's and I've got to join his chorus and appeal to locals to sure get along and support the great folks at Commander Aero and our very own Jimbob! These Flyins always attract real Commander fans and you will meet many 'true believers'. Sir Barry(Collman and chiefmoaner) will even provide you with the complete history of your Commander just straight off his laptop; with the exquisite detail that only Barry can divulge...you couldn't ask for more...even the original factory colour scheme! You've got to get along! Cheers Russell (Ps I hate those long flights across the Pacific!) ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:27 +0100 >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN >To: > > Hi All, > > This seems like a good opportunity to remind > everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the > same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" > in September. > > JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' > rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone > to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept > absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. > "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in > a new diary. > > Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of > siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid > 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time > of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas > and Easter. > > So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the > next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time > for anything else other than Commanders. > > No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, > buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. > > Moaner-in-Chief Collman. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: css nico > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN > Folks, > I have been trying to work it so that I could > attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - > not because of a lack of desire and love for that > which we share, but circumstances that I could not > control have it otherwise. > One of the things that has obstructed this year's > attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have > to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of > Commanders that I encounter will be taken for > publication. > Sadly, > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN > HI KIDS. > > Anybody else planing to go to the > flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. > If you love Commanders (and you must or you > would not be on this chat list) then you really > need to attend this years event. Both Jim > Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander > Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer > service expert) will be attending. Jim and I > will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. > There are some people out there with some pretty > scary ideas. > There are other great speakers and some > really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle > Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can > even arrange for a ride around the track!! > Lets make this year event the best attended > ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, > Director, TCFG > > > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > > > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > > > ================ ================ ================ ================ ================ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2006
From: <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Jim, Thanks to the CEO of Delta not wanting to pay our retirement and getting away with it, it doesn't look I will be there either, just hope I can keep the plane. I really wanted to make this one too, it sounds like fun. Jim Addington N444BD ---- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > HI KIDS. > > Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of > you to attend. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: FLYIN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Hello Commander Lovers... Wish I could be making the Fly-in. I really enjoyed the event in Columbia, South Carolina and Marina, CA. Hope next year will work into my ever hectic schedule. Meanwhile, as I fly my Commander around California in the next couple of weeks to visit my many various projects, I will be thinking of you guys having fun in Dayton, Ohio. See you next year...I hope. Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of jtaddington(at)charter.net Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN Jim, Thanks to the CEO of Delta not wanting to pay our retirement and getting away with it, it doesn't look I will be there either, just hope I can keep the plane. I really wanted to make this one too, it sounds like fun. Jim Addington N444BD ---- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > HI KIDS. > > Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of > you to attend. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Hi Russell, Regrettably, my laptop will not be accompanying me this year. With the restrictions on hand luggage, the cameras have been promoted to No.1 position! However, if any attendees who haven't had the history of their Commander, as far as I know it, let me know in advance and I'll bring a paper version along. I'll be leaving here first thing next Tuesday morning. Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | | G'day Folks, | | I can't more strongly recommend our TCFG Flyins...my plan is to visit from | Oz this year and buy me a Commander...my travel is a clear 5 hours | longer than Richard's and I've got to join his chorus and appeal to locals to | sure get along and support the great folks at Commander Aero and our | very own Jimbob! | | These Flyins always attract real Commander fans and you will meet many | 'true believers'. | | Sir Barry(Collman and chiefmoaner) will even provide you with the | complete history of your Commander just straight off his laptop; with the | exquisite detail that only Barry can divulge...you couldn't ask for | more...even the original factory colour scheme! | | You've got to get along! | | Cheers Russell | | (Ps I hate those long flights across the Pacific!) | | ---- Original message ---- | >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:27 +0100 | >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | >To: | > | > Hi All, | > | > This seems like a good opportunity to remind | > everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the | > same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" | > in September. | > | > JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' | > rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone | > to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept | > absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. | > "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in | > a new diary. | > | > Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of | > siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid | > 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time | > of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas | > and Easter. | > | > So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the | > next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time | > for anything else other than Commanders. | > | > No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, | > buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. | > | > Moaner-in-Chief Collman. | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: css nico | > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM | > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN | > Folks, | > I have been trying to work it so that I could | > attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - | > not because of a lack of desire and love for that | > which we share, but circumstances that I could not | > control have it otherwise. | > One of the things that has obstructed this year's | > attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have | > to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of | > Commanders that I encounter will be taken for | > publication. | > Sadly, | > Nico | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com | > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM | > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN | > HI KIDS. | > | > Anybody else planing to go to the | > flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. | > If you love Commanders (and you must or you | > would not be on this chat list) then you really | > need to attend this years event. Both Jim | > Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander | > Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer | > service expert) will be attending. Jim and I | > will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. | > There are some people out there with some pretty | > scary ideas. | > There are other great speakers and some | > really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle | > Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can | > even arrange for a ride around the track!! | > Lets make this year event the best attended | > ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, | > Director, TCFG | > | > | > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | > | > | > | > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | > | > | > | > | ================ | ================ | ================ | ================ | ================ | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Jim, But no doubt his $10m Annual Bonus is being paid OK? ----- Original Message ----- From: <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN | | Jim, | Thanks to the CEO of Delta not wanting to pay our retirement and getting away with it, it doesn't look I will be there either, just hope I can keep the plane. I really wanted to make this one too, it sounds like fun. | | Jim Addington | N444BD | | | ---- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: | > HI KIDS. | > | > Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of | > you to attend. | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2006
From: <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: FLYIN
It was a $1,000,000 + after taxes even if the company folds and he got his top 32+ VPs the same deal. He will get the bonus after they get rid of our medical and come out of bankruptcy this spring. Jim ---- Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote: > > Jim, > > But no doubt his $10m Annual Bonus is being paid OK? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jtaddington(at)charter.net> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN > > > | > | Jim, > | Thanks to the CEO of Delta not wanting to pay our retirement and getting away > with it, it doesn't look I will be there either, just hope I can keep the plane. > I really wanted to make this one too, it sounds like fun. > | > | Jim Addington > | N444BD > | > | > | ---- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > | > HI KIDS. > | > > | > Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of > | > you to attend. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2006
From: Craig Lundborg <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 500A
Anyone out there looking for a great deal on a low time 500A? Son is in last year of med school....need to free up some $$$'s Craig dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
bc, N2001M. tnx mason >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:24:38 +0100 > ><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > >Hi Russell, > >Regrettably, my laptop will not be accompanying me this year. With the >restrictions on hand luggage, the cameras have been promoted to No.1 >position! > >However, if any attendees who haven't had the history of their Commander, >as far >as I know it, let me know in advance and I'll bring a paper version along. > >I'll be leaving here first thing next Tuesday morning. > >Barry C. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:00 PM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN > > >| >| G'day Folks, >| >| I can't more strongly recommend our TCFG Flyins...my plan is to visit >from >| Oz this year and buy me a Commander...my travel is a clear 5 hours >| longer than Richard's and I've got to join his chorus and appeal to >locals to >| sure get along and support the great folks at Commander Aero and our >| very own Jimbob! >| >| These Flyins always attract real Commander fans and you will meet many >| 'true believers'. >| >| Sir Barry(Collman and chiefmoaner) will even provide you with the >| complete history of your Commander just straight off his laptop; with the >| exquisite detail that only Barry can divulge...you couldn't ask for >| more...even the original factory colour scheme! >| >| You've got to get along! >| >| Cheers Russell >| >| (Ps I hate those long flights across the Pacific!) >| >| ---- Original message ---- >| >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:27 +0100 >| >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> >| >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN >| >To: >| > >| > Hi All, >| > >| > This seems like a good opportunity to remind >| > everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the >| > same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" >| > in September. >| > >| > JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' >| > rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone >| > to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept >| > absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. >| > "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in >| > a new diary. >| > >| > Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of >| > siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid >| > 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time >| > of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas >| > and Easter. >| > >| > So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the >| > next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time >| > for anything else other than Commanders. >| > >| > No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, >| > buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. >| > >| > Moaner-in-Chief Collman. >| > >| > >| > ----- Original Message ----- >| > From: css nico >| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >| > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM >| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN >| > Folks, >| > I have been trying to work it so that I could >| > attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - >| > not because of a lack of desire and love for that >| > which we share, but circumstances that I could not >| > control have it otherwise. >| > One of the things that has obstructed this year's >| > attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have >| > to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of >| > Commanders that I encounter will be taken for >| > publication. >| > Sadly, >| > Nico >| > >| > >| > ----- Original Message ----- >| > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com >| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >| > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM >| > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN >| > HI KIDS. >| > >| > Anybody else planing to go to the >| > flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. >| > If you love Commanders (and you must or you >| > would not be on this chat list) then you really >| > need to attend this years event. Both Jim >| > Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander >| > Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer >| > service expert) will be attending. Jim and I >| > will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. >| > There are some people out there with some pretty >| > scary ideas. >| > There are other great speakers and some >| > really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle >| > Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can >| > even arrange for a ride around the track!! >| > Lets make this year event the best attended >| > ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, >| > Director, TCFG >| > >| > >| > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >| > >| > >| > >| > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >| > >| > >| > >| > >| ================ >| ================ >| ================ >| ================ >| ================ >| >| >| >| >| >| >| > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: FLYIN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
What is the exact date/s of the fly-in and can a guy sign-up in this late hour if he or she wanted? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > > Jim, > > But no doubt his $10m Annual Bonus is being paid OK? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN > > > | > | Jim, > | Thanks to the CEO of Delta not wanting to pay our retirement and getting away > with it, it doesn't look I will be there either, just hope I can keep the plane. > I really wanted to make this one too, it sounds like fun. > | > | Jim Addington > | N444BD > | > | > | ---- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > | > HI KIDS. > | > > | > Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of > | > you to attend. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > > > > >
What is the exact date/s of the fly-in and can a guy sign-up in this late hour if he or she wanted?

barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
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>
> Jim,
>
> But no doubt his $10m Annual Bonus is being paid OK?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JTADDINGTON(at)CHARTER.NET> > To: <COMMANDER-LIST(at)MATRONICS.COM> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN
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> | --> Commander-List message posted by:
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> | Jim,
> | Thanks to the CEO of Delta not wanting to pay our retirement and getting away
> with it, it doesn't look I will be there either, just hope I can keep the plane.
> I really wanted to make this one too, it so via t

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Date: Sep 13, 2006
From: Gary Wilson <sr14572(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 500A
yes, been looking, but where are you located? Craig Lundborg wrote: Anyone out there looking for a great deal on a low time 500A? Son is in last year of med school....need to free up some $$$'s Craig dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2006
From: Craig Lundborg <dltafolk(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 500A
Gary, I recieved an e-mail however there was no text. Craig Gary Wilson wrote: ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Subject: Re: FLYIN
The Fly-In is being held in Dayton, Ohio from Thursday, Sept 21 - Sun, Sept 25 with the majority of the activities on Saturday and Sunday. You can still sign up and we'd be happy to send the registration form to your personal e-mail if interested. Hope to see you there. Regards, Jim Metzger ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 13, 2006
Moaner-in-Chief: I'm sure with a small amount of arm twisting- we can get halmark to issue one of those refrigerator calendar magnets deals that will have "Commander Fly-In-Weekend" listed.... In future generations they will wonder how the next to last weekend in September became a bigger travel holiday than T-Giving....and why the airlines do so poorly in spite of all that travel. Heck- might even surpass mothers day! Oh- wait, scratch that. I keep hearing from the Baron/Twin Cessna crowd that Commander owners are all a bunch of bastards- so apparently we don't have mothers..... :-) Hope you all have fun- I'll be marking up my 2007 calendars right away. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 01:16 Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN Hi All, This seems like a good opportunity to remind everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" in September. JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in a new diary. Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas and Easter. So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time for anything else other than Commanders. No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. Moaner-in-Chief Collman. ----- Original Message ----- From: css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> nico Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN Folks, I have been trying to work it so that I could attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - not because of a lack of desire and love for that which we share, but circumstances that I could not control have it otherwise. One of the things that has obstructed this year's attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of Commanders that I encounter will be taken for publication. Sadly, Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN HI KIDS. Anybody else planing to go to the flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. If you love Commanders (and you must or you would not be on this chat list) then you really need to attend this years event. Both Jim Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer service expert) will be attending. Jim and I will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. There are some people out there with some pretty scary ideas. There are other great speakers and some really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can even arrange for a ride around the track!! Lets make this year event the best attended ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1744 (20060908) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 16, 2006
Hi Mason, Printed out to-day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | | bc, N2001M. tnx mason | | | >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | >To: | >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:24:38 +0100 | > | ><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | > | >Hi Russell, | > | >Regrettably, my laptop will not be accompanying me this year. With the | >restrictions on hand luggage, the cameras have been promoted to No.1 | >position! | > | >However, if any attendees who haven't had the history of their Commander, | >as far | >as I know it, let me know in advance and I'll bring a paper version along. | > | >I'll be leaving here first thing next Tuesday morning. | > | >Barry C. | > | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> | >To: | >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:00 PM | >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | > | > | >| | >| G'day Folks, | >| | >| I can't more strongly recommend our TCFG Flyins...my plan is to visit | >from | >| Oz this year and buy me a Commander...my travel is a clear 5 hours | >| longer than Richard's and I've got to join his chorus and appeal to | >locals to | >| sure get along and support the great folks at Commander Aero and our | >| very own Jimbob! | >| | >| These Flyins always attract real Commander fans and you will meet many | >| 'true believers'. | >| | >| Sir Barry(Collman and chiefmoaner) will even provide you with the | >| complete history of your Commander just straight off his laptop; with the | >| exquisite detail that only Barry can divulge...you couldn't ask for | >| more...even the original factory colour scheme! | >| | >| You've got to get along! | >| | >| Cheers Russell | >| | >| (Ps I hate those long flights across the Pacific!) | >| | >| ---- Original message ---- | >| >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:27 +0100 | >| >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | >| >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | >| >To: | >| > | >| > Hi All, | >| > | >| > This seems like a good opportunity to remind | >| > everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the | >| > same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" | >| > in September. | >| > | >| > JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' | >| > rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone | >| > to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept | >| > absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. | >| > "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in | >| > a new diary. | >| > | >| > Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of | >| > siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid | >| > 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time | >| > of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas | >| > and Easter. | >| > | >| > So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the | >| > next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time | >| > for anything else other than Commanders. | >| > | >| > No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, | >| > buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. | >| > | >| > Moaner-in-Chief Collman. | >| > | >| > | >| > ----- Original Message ----- | >| > From: css nico | >| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | >| > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM | >| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN | >| > Folks, | >| > I have been trying to work it so that I could | >| > attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - | >| > not because of a lack of desire and love for that | >| > which we share, but circumstances that I could not | >| > control have it otherwise. | >| > One of the things that has obstructed this year's | >| > attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have | >| > to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of | >| > Commanders that I encounter will be taken for | >| > publication. | >| > Sadly, | >| > Nico | >| > | >| > | >| > ----- Original Message ----- | >| > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com | >| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | >| > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM | >| > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN | >| > HI KIDS. | >| > | >| > Anybody else planing to go to the | >| > flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. | >| > If you love Commanders (and you must or you | >| > would not be on this chat list) then you really | >| > need to attend this years event. Both Jim | >| > Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander | >| > Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer | >| > service expert) will be attending. Jim and I | >| > will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. | >| > There are some people out there with some pretty | >| > scary ideas. | >| > There are other great speakers and some | >| > really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle | >| > Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can | >| > even arrange for a ride around the track!! | >| > Lets make this year event the best attended | >| > ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, | >| > Director, TCFG | >| > | >| > | >| > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: FLY-IN
Date: Sep 16, 2006
bc, tnx. see you thursday. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi Mason, Printed out to-day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM<mailto:kamala(at)MSN.COM>> To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN > | | bc, N2001M. tnx mason | | | >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | >To: > | >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:24:38 +0100 | > | ><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > | > | >Hi Russell, | > | >Regrettably, my laptop will not be accompanying me this year. With the | >restrictions on hand luggage, the cameras have been promoted to No.1 | >position! | > | >However, if any attendees who haven't had the history of their Commander, | >as far | >as I know it, let me know in advance and I'll bring a paper version along. | > | >I'll be leaving here first thing next Tuesday morning. | > | >Barry C. | > | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au<mailto:rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>> | >To: > | >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 2:00 PM | >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | > | > > | >| | >| G'day Folks, | >| | >| I can't more strongly recommend our TCFG Flyins...my plan is to visit | >from | >| Oz this year and buy me a Commander...my travel is a clear 5 hours | >| longer than Richard's and I've got to join his chorus and appeal to | >locals to | >| sure get along and support the great folks at Commander Aero and our | >| very own Jimbob! | >| | >| These Flyins always attract real Commander fans and you will meet many | >| 'true believers'. | >| | >| Sir Barry(Collman and chiefmoaner) will even provide you with the | >| complete history of your Commander just straight off his laptop; with the | >| exquisite detail that only Barry can divulge...you couldn't ask for | >| more...even the original factory colour scheme! | >| | >| You've got to get along! | >| | >| Cheers Russell | >| | >| (Ps I hate those long flights across the Pacific!) | >| | >| ---- Original message ---- | >| >Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:16:27 +0100 | >| >From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | >| >Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN | >| >To: > | >| > | >| > Hi All, | >| > | >| > This seems like a good opportunity to remind | >| > everyone that the Fly-In is held near enough at the | >| > same time each year, i.e. the next-to-last "weekend" | >| > in September. | >| > | >| > JimBob, I'm sure, will confirm the 'exact' | >| > rationale, but knowing this should enable everyone | >| > to realise that that "weekend" ought to kept | >| > absolutely clear of anything else in diaries. | >| > "FLY-IN" should be the very first entry you make in | >| > a new diary. | >| > | >| > Obviously, business commitments and the arrival of | >| > siblings are more important. The idea was to avoid | >| > 'randomly selected' dates and make the Fly-In a time | >| > of year that is easily remembered, like Christmas | >| > and Easter. | >| > | >| > So, Commander lovers MUST make sure that the | >| > next-to-last weekend of September is a "no-go" time | >| > for anything else other than Commanders. | >| > | >| > No doubt 2007 diaries are now available, so go out, | >| > buy one and make YOUR entry in it NOW. | >| > | >| > Moaner-in-Chief Collman. | >| > | >| > | >| > ----- Original Message ----- | >| > From: css nico | >| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | >| > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:02 AM | >| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLYIN | >| > Folks, | >| > I have been trying to work it so that I could | >| > attend this year's fly-in. It is not panning out - | >| > not because of a lack of desire and love for that | >| > which we share, but circumstances that I could not | >| > control have it otherwise. | >| > One of the things that has obstructed this year's | >| > attendance, is a trip to South Africa that I have | >| > to undertake. Perhaps some more pictures of | >| > Commanders that I encounter will be taken for | >| > publication. | >| > Sadly, | >| > Nico | >| > | >| > | >| > ----- Original Message ----- | >| > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> | >| > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | >| > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:55 PM | >| > Subject: Commander-List: FLYIN | >| > HI KIDS. | >| > | >| > Anybody else planing to go to the | >| > flyin?? lets get a few more of you to attend. | >| > If you love Commanders (and you must or you | >| > would not be on this chat list) then you really | >| > need to attend this years event. Both Jim | >| > Mathison (the new owner of Twin Commander | >| > Aircraft) and Geoffrey Pence (TCAC costumer | >| > service expert) will be attending. Jim and I | >| > will be speaking on the aging aircraft issues. | >| > There are some people out there with some pretty | >| > scary ideas. | >| > There are other great speakers and some | >| > really fun events planed, like a trip the Eagle | >| > Creek Aviation and the Indy 500 museum. You can | >| > even arrange for a ride around the track!! | >| > Lets make this year event the best attended | >| > ever!! Come on, be there. Jim Metzger, | >| > Director, TCFG | >| > | >| > | >| > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| > | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| ================ | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | >| | > | > | > | > | > | > | | | | | | | | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: N138K
Date: Sep 16, 2006
Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? Phil Stubbs ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 16, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 500B
Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle medallion? Thank you, Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: N138K
Date: Sep 16, 2006
It was on E-bay a few months ago and I thought it has sold. Needs lots of work, but I have not seen it. Tylor Hall On Sep 16, 2006, at 8:52 PM, "" wrote: > > Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? > > > Phil Stubbs > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: N138K
Date: Sep 17, 2006
tylor, I was in abq and tried to call you for lunch. you are not w bmt where are you and are you going to be at flyin. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylor Hall<mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: N138K It was on E-bay a few months ago and I thought it has sold. Needs lots of work, but I have not seen it. Tylor Hall On Sep 16, 2006, at 8:52 PM, "" > wrote: Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? Phil Stubbs onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ntribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: N138K
Date: Sep 17, 2006
Mason, I started a new company in June. doing Aviation Fuel Systems. First Fueling Systems, Inc. www.firstfueling.com coming soon. Too many things going on all at once. My father passed away last Tuesday. And Family is here now. I did sneak away to go flying with Jorge in N261JG yesterday. Tylor Hall tylorhall(at)mac.com 970-946-7472Cell 505-247-3001 505-247-3005 Fax 100 Iron St. SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 I will not be able to attend this years fly-in. On Sep 17, 2006, at 6:38 AM, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote: > tylor, I was in abq and tried to call you for lunch. you are not w > bmt where are you and are you going to be at flyin. mason > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylor Hall > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: N138K > > It was on E-bay a few months ago and I thought it has sold. > Needs lots of work, but I have not seen it. > > Tylor Hall > > On Sep 16, 2006, at 8:52 PM, "" wrote: > >> >> Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? >> >> >> Phil Stubbs >> >> >> onics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listntribution > > title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/ > Navigator?Commander-List > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 17, 2006
Subject: Re: N138K
In a message dated 9/16/2006 7:54:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes: Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? Needs a ton of work, buyer be ware. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 17, 2006
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 09/09/06
In a message dated 9/10/2006 5:14:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com writes: John V and TCFG as yet I have not "officially" said I am not coming. I have planned to since we left CA. However right now is slim to none and I think slim has left town. Come on Dan, it wont be the same without you!! Make it happen!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 18, 2006
Subject: FLY-IN
WELL KIDS. Richard Thompson from Australia arrived yesterday. Russell Legg, also from down under, arrives tomorrow at noon. We will be departing for Dayton on Wed. Barry Collmann, from the UK is on his way. Jim Mathison, owner of Twin Commander has called and will be arriving on Thursday. Lou Tran has also checked in and will be there on Thursday. How about you?? Come on guys, lets pull out the stops and make it to this event!! We all have commitments that make it difficult, but look at the effort being made by these guys!! Hope to see you there. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Recommended oil changes on Shrike
Date: Sep 18, 2006
Gentlemen: I was wondering if any of you could provide me with the recommended oil change interval on my 1974 Shrike. I would greatly appreciate it. By the way, I took it Oklahoma for the autopilot fix and it works perfectly. Thanks to all of you that responded. It was a great benefit to us to have all of your knowledge. Thanks again for everything. Sincerely, Tommy Mathieu ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 18, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Recommended oil changes on Shrike
Tommy, if your 500 has IO 540 engines there oil change intervals should be 50 hours. You can confirm this in your POH. --- Tommy Mathieu wrote: > Gentlemen: > > I was wondering if any of you could provide me with > the recommended oil > change interval on my 1974 Shrike. I would greatly > appreciate it. By the > way, I took it Oklahoma for the autopilot fix and it > works perfectly. Thanks > to all of you that responded. It was a great benefit > to us to have all of > your knowledge. Thanks again for everything. > > Sincerely, > > Tommy Mathieu > > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________

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From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: N138K
Date: Sep 18, 2006
I forgot to watch it in my EBAY"watch log" so would like to know the auction number. Does anyone have it? Steve G. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: N138K In a message dated 9/16/2006 7:54:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes: Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? Needs a ton of work, buyer be ware. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N138K
Date: Sep 18, 2006
Just type in Aero Commander in Start New Search. Roland >From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: N138K >Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:41:16 -0500 > >I forgot to watch it in my EBAY"watch log" so would like to know the >auction >number. Does anyone have it? > > >Steve G. > > > _____ > >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >YOURTCFG(at)aol.com >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:20 PM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: N138K > > >In a message dated 9/16/2006 7:54:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes: > >Anybody know about or looked at N138K on ebay? > >Needs a ton of work, buyer be ware. jb > > _________________________________________________________________ SearchYour way, your world, right now! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&FORM=WLMTAG ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes.
Date: Sep 20, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
If anyone knows the N-number of a 520 or 520 with Clevelands, pls let me know. If I have the N-number I can get the 337s and use them as a basis for putting them on 86B. Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes.
Date: Sep 20, 2006
I had a Field approval done to install the clevlands on N218V Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes. If anyone knows the N-number of a 520 or 520 with Clevelands, pls let me know. If I have the N-number I can get the 337s and use them as a basis for putting them on 86B. Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes.
Date: Sep 20, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Thanx. I'll follow up with getting the paperwork.... My ambition is to set up 86B with an aprropriate autopilot, Alternators, GO480 engines and clevelands. I've got my ducks in a row on one of those, and now I can get another. Bruce Campbell ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Merritt Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes. I had a Field approval done to install the clevlands on N218V Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell <mailto:brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes. If anyone knows the N-number of a 520 or 520 with Clevelands, pls let me know. If I have the N-number I can get the 337s and use them as a basis for putting them on 86B. Bruce ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes.
Date: Sep 21, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
It looks like that N-number has been reused. Can I get the model/serial number? Bruce ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harry Merritt Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes. I had a Field approval done to install the clevlands on N218V Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell <mailto:brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Call for any 520 or 560 with Cleveland Brakes. If anyone knows the N-number of a 520 or 520 with Clevelands, pls let me know. If I have the N-number I can get the 337s and use them as a basis for putting them on 86B. Bruce ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: AC Motor
Date: Sep 23, 2006
Hello, I'm in need of an air conditioner compressor drive motor. I fly an Aero Commander 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion. If anyone knows where such a motor can be had let me know. I can get one from a supplier at a HUGE price ($7,200). Perhaps someone in commander land has one around for a reasonable price. The AC unit is the same as that in a turbo commander. I can get a part number if needed. Thank you. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 23, 2006
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 09/22/06
How about a little up date on the fly-in. That way those less fortunate could drool. dan f Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2006-09-22.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2006-09-22.txt =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/22/06: 0 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Another one bites the dust
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Date: Sep 23, 2006
-------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63427#63427 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Another one bites the dust
Date: Sep 23, 2006
I think the dust was already bitten. bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63427#63427 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Another one bites the dust
Date: Sep 23, 2006
I agree. This one would need a lot of work. More love than reason. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust I think the dust was already bitten. bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63427#63427 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Commander parts for sale
Date: Sep 24, 2006
Square Rudder cap with grimes beacon: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item= 150038081646&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT Power relay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&item= 150038415079&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Listed on Ebay, seller: twoatebravo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Subject: More Commander components for sale
Date: Sep 25, 2006
Dayton-Auto Valve http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&item= 150039038708&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Valve, Shutoff, Gate http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&item= 150039036734&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Subject: CHT indicator for sale
Date: Sep 25, 2006
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item= 150039045868&ih=005&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: AC motor
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Hello, Still looking for an electric motor for an Aero Commander air conditioning system. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion and the motor has burned out. The system is similar to that in a turbo commander. If you know where a motor can be bought please let me know. This is the third motor to go out in 5-6 years. If anyone has experience with this system let me know what you think may be causing this. The system works fine when the motor is working. Thanks. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 26, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: 500B
--- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > medallion? > > Thank you, > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
From: "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Fwd: 500B
Date: Sep 26, 2006
I also need one for my 680F. Thanks, Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > medallion? > > Thank you, > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Door cable
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Hi folks, Does anyone know where a door cable might be found (new or used) part # 4-DNL-125-A-72. Tom F. C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC motor Hello, Still looking for an electric motor for an Aero Commander air conditioning system. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM Conversion and the motor has burned out. The system is similar to that in a turbo commander. If you know where a motor can be bought please let me know. This is the third motor to go out in 5-6 years. If anyone has experience with this system let me know what you think may be causing this. The system works fine when the motor is working. Thanks. Ray Mansfield Ft. Walton Beach, FL ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele <mailto:Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ **************************************************************************** **** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Door cable
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Check with the guy that has all... Harry! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Sorry to burst your bubble, Tom, I was thanking Ted Smith! :-D _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele <mailto:Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 _____ **************************************************************************** **** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** **************************************************************************** **** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve2" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Same when one of our clevises (clevi?) broke and disconnected a retract cylinder.. Gear descended and locked only after speed was reduced. Found more cracked clevi during gear rebuild this year. Also, some retention pins had cocked in the gear and scored the hell out of the inner wall of strut cylinders. They are available, but you can buy an airplane for the price of them. (There is a shop rebuilding them.) Found the tiniest of leaks in the nitrogen system lines that would take a couple weeks to leak down, but was a pain in the ass. The guys used freon and a sniffer. Man is that thing sensitive. Our nitrogen pressure gauge stuck before and after a rebuild of the gauge. Standard preflight includes a sharp tap on the thing to get it to return to where it belongs. I suppose I'd miss having to tap it if it ever works right again. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve2" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Don't know if it helps any, but there is (was) a fellow in our neck of the woods that had several sets of rebuildable Queen Air props for a decent price. We were looking for them because we had briefly kicked around the idea of picking up that 720 for sale as another camera platform. Quite a lot was done to it, but it did need the props tended to. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Had a hydrolic line shear off in the wheel well just after take-off in a 500B. Emergency checklist slow her down and whala...another thanks to Ted on a superb design. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ******************************************************************************** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ******************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
Had a hydrolic line shear off in the wheel well just after take-off in a 500B. Emergency checklist slow her down and whala...another thanks to Ted on a superb design.

Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design.

I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted!

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm

I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights.

Tom F,

C-GISS

680FLP (Mr.RPM)

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Steele

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM

Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm

Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check

Bill D 9/25

******************************************************************************** ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ******************************************************************************** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 

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From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B
How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?

Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?

 Bruce Campbell

 AC520 N4186B

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From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Sounds like it might be time to drive your car into the prop on the right side of the airplane, then back up around the left side and hit the other one....then call the insurance company. :-) (Just kidding- for anyone involved in the insurance industry...it was humor based upon the premise of how difficult it would be to hit both sides.... really....humor....) now Bruce- if you happen to figure out how to make that happen- I'd prefer I not hear about it. hahahah... Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 14:25 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1777 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
Dont know if you shopped around but I just had mine overhauled and found a wide range of prices and expertise. Might be worth a call to H&H Props 800-334-6437. Phil Stubbs ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Campbell Sent: 9/26/2006 2:02:47 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 27, 2006
Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa!

There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props.

That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair.

/John

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How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?

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Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?

 Bruce Campbell

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From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 26, 2006
$63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 27, 2006
I figure they must have a diamond coating of some sort! Thats outta control! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> $63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum? ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa! -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with? Bruce Campbell AC520 N4186B ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
I figure they must have a diamond coating of some sort! Thats outta control!

$63K!!!!! What are they made out of, platinum?

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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:46 PM

Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!

Just called Hartzell, they do make them for the 520/560 and the prop set is $63K whoa!

<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Vormbaum" <<A href="mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com">john(at)vormbaum.com</A>> 
There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props.

That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair.

/John

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Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520!

How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of curiousity?

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Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didnt pass the AD inspection. The blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. Thats out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they would be willing to part with?

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From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Help! Need props for 520!
Date: Sep 27, 2006
for queenair parts call falcon aviation in lawrencevill, ga. next to atlanta. mason >From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! >Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:08:45 -0700 > >Sounds like it might be time to drive your car into the prop on the right >side of the airplane, then back up around the left side and hit the other >one....then call the insurance company. :-) > >(Just kidding- for anyone involved in the insurance industry...it was humor >based upon the premise of how difficult it would be to hit both sides.... >really....humor....) > >now Bruce- if you happen to figure out how to make that happen- I'd prefer >I >not hear about it. hahahah... > >Rob > > > _____ > >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John >Vormbaum >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 14:25 >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! > > >There are no brand new hartzells for the 520/560 airplanes, to the best of >my knowledge....you have to go with the queen air props. > >That being said, new compact hartzells for B,U,S models are about $25k per >pair. Although they sometimes run specials for $17,500/pair. > >/John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:52 PM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help! Need props for 520! > >How much would a brand new set of Hartzells be today, just out of >curiousity? > > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> > > >Got bad news today: My hubs and clamps didn't pass the AD inspection. The >blades are just fine. The prop shop quoted $30k for the needed parts. >That's out of my price range right this minute. Anyone have surplus props >that would fit a 520 (same props as the 560, for what its worth) that they >would be willing to part with? > > > Bruce Campbell > > AC520 N4186B > > >ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > >__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >__________ NOD32 1.1776 (20060926) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > > >__________ NOD32 1.1777 (20060926) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm
Date: Sep 27, 2006
I think the gauge should have a dump valve immediately before the gauge just to dump what is in the gauge, in that way the needle would drop to zero and then back up to current pressure. The amount of loss might mean a quick top up every couple of months. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: steve2 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Same when one of our clevises (clevi?) broke and disconnected a retract cylinder.. Gear descended and locked only after speed was reduced. Found more cracked clevi during gear rebuild this year. Also, some retention pins had cocked in the gear and scored the hell out of the inner wall of strut cylinders. They are available, but you can buy an airplane for the price of them. (There is a shop rebuilding them.) Found the tiniest of leaks in the nitrogen system lines that would take a couple weeks to leak down, but was a pain in the ass. The guys used freon and a sniffer. Man is that thing sensitive. Our nitrogen pressure gauge stuck before and after a rebuild of the gauge. Standard preflight includes a sharp tap on the thing to get it to return to where it belongs. I suppose I'd miss having to tap it if it ever works right again. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Actually it is Tom, (I do have a cousin named Ted). I would like to see a method to test the movement of the gauge during the walk around to insure it is not "stuck" in place. TOM. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Indeed a testimony to a well thought out design. I had the same experience when I lost total hydraulics once. Lowering the speed makes the gear pop smartly into place. Thanks, Ted! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:08 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm I had a near one of these after my 2.5 hour engine break-in flight, a hydraulic line failed in flight and when selected the gear went 1/4 of the way down and stayed there. I felt a bit of excitement because during the annual it was noticed that the emergency gear pressure gauge had been frozen in position, the gauge was removed diddled with and returned to service. Because the gear stopped at 1/4 travel my immediate thought was that the gauge was still inop and that I may not have any nitrogen pressure to push them down. I was still moving along fairly fast (160 MPH) so I slowed it down to about 110 MPH which finally lit up three beautiful green lights. Tom F, C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: 04_57266.htm Bob,Some body forgot the "GUMP" check Bill D 9/25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 9/22/2006 Record 4 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 57266 Make/Model: AC50 Description: 500 Commander 500, Shrike Commander Date: 09/21/2006 Time: 2305 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Minor LOCATION City: BATON ROUGE State: LA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT LANDED WITH A LANDING GEAR PROBLEM, BATON ROUGE, LA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0 # Crew: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Landing Operation: OTHER Departed: Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: Flt Plan: Wx Briefing: Last Radio Cont: Last Clearance: FAA FSDO: BATON ROUGE, LA (SW03) Entry date: 09/22/2006 ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Door cable
Date: Sep 27, 2006
I have gotten a number of things from Harry, I sent him an Email and left a message but no luck so far. I do owe him $110.00 but I'm pretty sure that is not an issue with him. I have now committed myself to a used cable for 50% the price of new which I believe equates to $150.00 plus 1 hour of labour to pull it from a 690A. I'm sure Harry could do better but too late now. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Owens To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door cable Check with the guy that has all... Harry! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 27, 2006
Subject: Pneumatic Pressure Guage
In a message dated 27-Sep-06 09:30:49 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I think the gauge should have a dump valve immediately before the gauge just to dump what is in the gauge, in that way the needle would drop to zero and then back up to current pressure. The amount of loss might mean a quick top up every couple of months. Ted would be impressed, Tom. Your idea has a very important (if not hidden) benefit. The dump valve could also reveal hydraulic fluid getting into the pneumatic system via a rupture in either outboard landing gear actuator. This would also mean that nitrogen under pressure could work its way into the hydraulic side of a MLG actuator and hydrostatically lock it at worst, or slow down its operation, at least. Until someone comes up with a purge valve for the pneumatic guage, it's a good idea to release some pressure via the Schraeder valve with a tissue held over it to chek for traces of hydraulic fluid. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Pneumatic Pressure Guage
Date: Sep 27, 2006
Well my father (long gone now) used to always say when I came up with some idea "If it was a good idea, someone would have already thought of it", pretty sad eh? I believe that it is expected to have Skydrol vapour in the nitrogen area because the O-rings specified for the nitrogen system are Skyrol O-rings tolerant. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Commander-List: Pneumatic Pressure Guage In a message dated 27-Sep-06 09:30:49 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I think the gauge should have a dump valve immediately before the gauge just to dump what is in the gauge, in that way the needle would drop to zero and then back up to current pressure. The amount of loss might mean a quick top up every couple of months. Ted would be impressed, Tom. Your idea has a very important (if not hidden) benefit. The dump valve could also reveal hydraulic fluid getting into the pneumatic system via a rupture in either outboard landing gear actuator. This would also mean that nitrogen under pressure could work its way into the hydraulic side of a MLG actuator and hydrostatically lock it at worst, or slow down its operation, at least. Until someone comes up with a purge valve for the pneumatic guage, it's a good idea to release some pressure via the Schraeder valve with a tissue held over it to chek for traces of hydraulic fluid. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Commander 500b Spinner assembly
Date: Sep 27, 2006
Prop spinner and bulkhead assembly for 500B and 500U ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Prop Spinner
Date: Sep 27, 2006
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From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 27, 2006
Subject: Re: Pneumatic Pressure Guage
In a message dated 27-Sep-06 11:00:44 Pacific Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: I believe that it is expected to have Skydrol vapour in the nitrogen area because the O-rings specified for the nitrogen system are Skyrol O-rings tolerant. I'm not sure that's true, but I am not a mechanic, nor am I an O-ring. The O-rings in the pneudraulic (outboard) actuators will have Skydrol on one side of them, so they'll need to be Skydrol tolerant. If there's Skydrol tolerant O-rings further downstream in the pneumatic system, then, yes, there may be some fluid/condensation anticipated -- but beware of the nitrogen bottle collecting fluid. I think there's guys here who know way more about the subtleties of this than I do ... Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Too much fun!
Date: Sep 27, 2006
From: "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
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From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Too much fun!
Date: Sep 27, 2006
I wish the windows DID roll down. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Steele Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Too much fun! -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff(at)aol.com [mailto:BillLeff(at)aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: 747 Drag Races... <http://www.hackermovies.de/moviefiles/HM_RacingBeats.wmv> http://www.hackermovies.de/moviefiles/HM_RacingBeats.wmv ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dennis" <28bravo(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Volt Ammeter for sale
Date: Sep 27, 2006
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From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: Too much fun!
Date: Sep 27, 2006
I guess that's what happens when the co-pilot drives... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Steele To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Too much fun! -----Original Message----- From: BillLeff(at)aol.com [mailto:BillLeff(at)aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:05 PM To: Bob Steele Subject: Fwd: Fw: 747 Drag Races... http://www.hackermovies.de/moviefiles/HM_RacingBeats.wmv ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager
Date: Sep 28, 2006
From: "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
I hope the photos remain embedded in this e-mail. I have no idea who Desert Dave is - this e-mail came from my brother John who was in the Goldent Knights for 6 years. They broke the mold.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Continuing Adventures of Desert Dave and his Camera at Large There are precious few things that'll get me out of bed at 4am, but add an invitation to see General Chuck Yeager speak at the dedication of a statue of his likeness at the "Sound Barrier Park" in the heart of Edwards AFB to the short list. The statue was dedicated in a ceremony at the corner of Rosamond and Yeager Blvd a street named in the General's honor. A dubious honor by Yeager's thinking: They name streets after dead people, he noted during his remarks. Chuck seemed a little bit humbled by the honor (no, really)! But he also managed to get a few licks in. "I'm a bit PO'd" he quipped, "watching all these airplanes buzzing around and I'm not flying them". "I'm 83 and I could fly in an F-16 with no problem, but General Bedke doesn't think so." - alluding to the fact that a few years back the Air Force (base commander General Bedke) stopped allowing him to fly test pilot school fighters. His last military flight was a supersonic hop in an F-15 to open the Edwards Airshow just a few years back. Yeager was age 79 at the time. It was a fairly small ceremony, but check out the front row of guests! Left to right you've got Clay Lacy (record-setting aviator, Clay Lacy's company shoots about every piece of air-to-air film you'll want to see including virtually all airline commercials), Frank Borman (yeah, the flew-around-the-moon Apollo 8 guy), Bob Hoover (greatest pilot ever lived, period), and Baron Hilton (an accomplished aviator, and the next best Hilton to meet after Paris). Media coverage was very light. There were no more than a half dozen photographers, a few from the Air Force, a couple from the local desert newspapers, and me; so I guess these would qualify as "rare historic photo's", huh? Yeager ended his speech by joking with Bob Hoover they were getting close to running that last checklist. When we do, he said, the last item will be: "Man, we had a ball." .. and I'll bet they did! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager
Date: Sep 28, 2006
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From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager
Date: Sep 28, 2006
Seven years ago I celebrated my 50th birthday by hiking up to the top of Mt. Whitney, and back in one day. On the way up, at about 13,000 feet msl (the peak is just short of 15,000 msl), I ran into Chuck Yeager coming down. He was 76 years old thenwhat a stud. He had been in the back country fishing for a few weeks. Later in the evening, after I returned to my motel in Lone Pine, CA (after 13.5 hours of hiking 22 miles up & down) I got to spend some time chatting with Chuck. I had just purchased my Commander 680F, and wanted to talk airplanes. Chuck only wanted to talk fishing. It was a real honor to be sitting there drinking a beer, looking up at Mt Whitney and sharing adventures on the mountain with the legend. Im still awed by the man. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Steele Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager I hope the photos remain embedded in this e-mail. I have no idea who Desert Dave is - this e-mail came from my brother John who was in the Goldent Knights for 6 years. They broke the mold.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Continuing Adventures of Desert Dave and his Camera at Large There are precious few things that'll get me out of bed at 4am, but add an invitation to see General Chuck Yeager speak at the dedication of a statue of his likeness at the "Sound Barrier Park" in the heart of Edwards AFB to the short list. The statue was dedicated in a ceremony at the corner of Rosamond and Yeager Blvd a street named in the General's honor. A dubious honor by Yeager's thinking: They name streets after dead people, he noted during his remarks. Chuck seemed a little bit humbled by the honor (no, really)! But he also managed to get a few licks in. "I'm a bit PO'd" he quipped, "watching all these airplanes buzzing around and I'm not flying them". "I'm 83 and I could fly in an F-16 with no problem, but General Bedke doesn't think so." - alluding to the fact that a few years back the Air Force (base commander General Bedke) stopped allowing him to fly test pilot school fighters. His last military flight was a supersonic hop in an F-15 to open the Edwards Airshow just a few years back. Yeager was age 79 at the time. It was a fairly small ceremony, but check out the front row of guests! Left to right you've got Clay Lacy (record-setting aviator, Clay Lacy's company shoots about every piece of air-to-air film you'll want to see including virtually all airline commercials), Frank Borman (yeah, the flew-around-the-moon Apollo 8 guy), Bob Hoover (greatest pilot ever lived, period), and Baron Hilton (an accomplished aviator, and the next best Hilton to meet after Paris). Media coverage was very light. There were no more than a half dozen photographers, a few from the Air Force, a couple from the local desert newspapers, and me; so I guess these would qualify as "rare historic photo's", huh? Yeager ended his speech by joking with Bob Hoover they were getting close to running that last checklist. When we do, he said, the last item will be: "Man, we had a ball." .. and I'll bet they did! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager
Date: Sep 28, 2006
Now THAT is a cool story! ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager Seven years ago I celebrated my 50th birthday by hiking up to the top of Mt. Whitney, and back in one day. On the way up, at about 13,000 feet msl (the peak is just short of 15,000' msl), I ran into Chuck Yeager coming down. He was 76 years old then.what a stud. He had been in the back country fishing for a few weeks. Later in the evening, after I returned to my motel in Lone Pine, CA (after 13.5 hours of hiking 22 miles up & down) I got to spend some time chatting with Chuck. I had just purchased my Commander 680F, and wanted to talk airplanes. Chuck only wanted to talk fishing. It was a real honor to be sitting there drinking a beer, looking up at Mt Whitney and sharing adventures on the mountain with the legend. I'm still awed by the man. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Steele Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:55 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager I hope the photos remain embedded in this e-mail. I have no idea who Desert Dave is - this e-mail came from my brother John who was in the Goldent Knights for 6 years. They broke the mold.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Continuing Adventures of Desert Dave and his Camera at Large There are precious few things that'll get me out of bed at 4am, but add an invitation to see General Chuck Yeager speak at the dedication of a statue of his likeness at the "Sound Barrier Park" in the heart of Edwards AFB to the short list. The statue was dedicated in a ceremony at the corner of Rosamond and Yeager Blvd a street named in the General's honor. A dubious honor by Yeager's thinking: They name streets after dead people, he noted during his remarks. Chuck seemed a little bit humbled by the honor (no, really)! But he also managed to get a few licks in. "I'm a bit PO'd" he quipped, "watching all these airplanes buzzing around and I'm not flying them". "I'm 83 and I could fly in an F-16 with no problem, but General Bedke doesn't think so." - alluding to the fact that a few years back the Air Force (base commander General Bedke) stopped allowing him to fly test pilot school fighters. His last military flight was a supersonic hop in an F-15 to open the Edwards Airshow just a few years back. Yeager was age 79 at the time. It was a fairly small ceremony, but check out the front row of guests! Left to right you've got Clay Lacy (record-setting aviator, Clay Lacy's company shoots about every piece of air-to-air film you'll want to see including virtually all airline commercials), Frank Borman (yeah, the flew-around-the-moon Apollo 8 guy), Bob Hoover (greatest pilot ever lived, period), and Baron Hilton (an accomplished aviator, and the next best Hilton to meet after Paris). Media coverage was very light. There were no more than a half dozen photographers, a few from the Air Force, a couple from the local desert newspapers, and me; so I guess these would qualify as "rare historic photo's", huh? Yeager ended his speech by joking with Bob Hoover they were getting close to running that last checklist. When we do, he said, the last item will be: "Man, we had a ball." .. and I'll bet they did! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager
Date: Sep 28, 2006
From: "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Great memory / story! -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager Seven years ago I celebrated my 50th birthday by hiking up to the top of Mt. Whitney, and back in one day. On the way up, at about 13,000 feet msl (the peak is just short of 15,000' msl), I ran into Chuck Yeager coming down. He was 76 years old then...what a stud. He had been in the back country fishing for a few weeks. Later in the evening, after I returned to my motel in Lone Pine, CA (after 13.5 hours of hiking 22 miles up & down) I got to spend some time chatting with Chuck. I had just purchased my Commander 680F, and wanted to talk airplanes. Chuck only wanted to talk fishing. It was a real honor to be sitting there drinking a beer, looking up at Mt Whitney and sharing adventures on the mountain with the legend. I'm still awed by the man. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Steele Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Honoring Chuck Yeager I hope the photos remain embedded in this e-mail. I have no idea who Desert Dave is - this e-mail came from my brother John who was in the Goldent Knights for 6 years. They broke the mold.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Continuing Adventures of Desert Dave and his Camera at Large There are precious few things that'll get me out of bed at 4am, but add an invitation to see General Chuck Yeager speak at the dedication of a statue of his likeness at the "Sound Barrier Park" in the heart of Edwards AFB to the short list. The statue was dedicated in a ceremony at the corner of Rosamond and Yeager Blvd a street named in the General's honor. A dubious honor by Yeager's thinking: They name streets after dead people, he noted during his remarks. Chuck seemed a little bit humbled by the honor (no, really)! But he also managed to get a few licks in. "I'm a bit PO'd" he quipped, "watching all these airplanes buzzing around and I'm not flying them". "I'm 83 and I could fly in an F-16 with no problem, but General Bedke doesn't think so." - alluding to the fact that a few years back the Air Force (base commander General Bedke) stopped allowing him to fly test pilot school fighters. His last military flight was a supersonic hop in an F-15 to open the Edwards Airshow just a few years back. Yeager was age 79 at the time. It was a fairly small ceremony, but check out the front row of guests! Left to right you've got Clay Lacy (record-setting aviator, Clay Lacy's company shoots about every piece of air-to-air film you'll want to see including virtually all airline commercials), Frank Borman (yeah, the flew-around-the-moon Apollo 8 guy), Bob Hoover (greatest pilot ever lived, period), and Baron Hilton (an accomplished aviator, and the next best Hilton to meet after Paris). Media coverage was very light. There were no more than a half dozen photographers, a few from the Air Force, a couple from the local desert newspapers, and me; so I guess these would qualify as "rare historic photo's", huh? Yeager ended his speech by joking with Bob Hoover they were getting close to running that last checklist. When we do, he said, the last item will be: "Man, we had a ball." .. and I'll bet they did! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 29, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: 500B
--- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Fwd: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > --- Donnie Rose wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > > Subject: 500B > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > > medallion? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Donnie Rose > > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > protection around > > > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Victor_Fern=E1ndez_?= <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Sep 29, 2006
Hello everyone, It's been quite a while. I don't write often, but read all the mails that go around. I was wondering if I could get some help here. I've been upgrading my panel to the Electronics International insts. Real nice. Finally, after two years of having them, I decided it was time to do the job. Don't ask why I took so long cause it's a long story. (When I'm done, I'll send the pics) First, I was wondering if the control wheels of a Shrike can be fitted/added to a 500, and if so, where could I get them. I'm also in need of a good shop for a prop overhaul, in the Fla area, If anyone has good reviews, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Victor Fernandez C HI-560-SP MDJB Used to be MDHE, but they moved it -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Fwd: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > --- Donnie Rose wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > > Subject: 500B > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > > medallion? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Donnie Rose > > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > protection around > > > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Sep 29, 2006
Where in Florida are you? bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor Fernndez Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 Hello everyone, It's been quite a while. I don't write often, but read all the mails that go around. I was wondering if I could get some help here. I've been upgrading my panel to the Electronics International insts. Real nice. Finally, after two years of having them, I decided it was time to do the job. Don't ask why I took so long cause it's a long story. (When I'm done, I'll send the pics) First, I was wondering if the control wheels of a Shrike can be fitted/added to a 500, and if so, where could I get them. I'm also in need of a good shop for a prop overhaul, in the Fla area, If anyone has good reviews, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Victor Fernandez C HI-560-SP MDJB Used to be MDHE, but they moved it -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Fwd: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > --- Donnie Rose wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > > Subject: 500B > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > > medallion? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Donnie Rose > > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > protection around > > > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Victor_Fern=E1ndez_?= <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Sep 30, 2006
Actually, I'm not in Florida; I'm in Dominican Republic, but Fla. Is, I believe, the closest place with authorized centers. Unless there is one in Puerto Rico? I'm planning to fly the plane up there,, instead of shipping them. Thanks, Victor -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 Where in Florida are you? bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor Fernndez Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 Hello everyone, It's been quite a while. I don't write often, but read all the mails that go around. I was wondering if I could get some help here. I've been upgrading my panel to the Electronics International insts. Real nice. Finally, after two years of having them, I decided it was time to do the job. Don't ask why I took so long cause it's a long story. (When I'm done, I'll send the pics) First, I was wondering if the control wheels of a Shrike can be fitted/added to a 500, and if so, where could I get them. I'm also in need of a good shop for a prop overhaul, in the Fla area, If anyone has good reviews, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Victor Fernandez C HI-560-SP MDJB Used to be MDHE, but they moved it -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Fwd: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > --- Donnie Rose wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > > Subject: 500B > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > > medallion? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Donnie Rose > > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > protection around > > > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 30, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-500
Florida has no really any one that works on Commanders, I am in opa locka and have a difficult time, there was one good mechanic, Wesss and he died last week, your best place is Lakeland or commander aero. A. Bustillo ( Andy) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Sep 30, 2006
There is a place in Tenn. Called Firetruck aviation that works on my 500 Shrike. He holds several STC's and is working on additional ones. If you have more interest I can put together additional information. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N560WM(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 Florida has no really any one that works on Commanders, I am in opa locka and have a difficult time, there was one good mechanic, Wesss and he died last week, your best place is Lakeland or commander aero. A. Bustillo ( Andy) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-500
YOU FEllows need to get out more. palm beach aircraft propeller (mike) was the hartzell contact with the hub a/d and is one of the best prop shops in the country. this is at lna. also at lna is palm beach aviation maintenance Jim Schiller has at least 25 years working on aero commanders 561-262-8155. he is in the hangar next door to the prop shop. he may to busy to work on your plane, but if he does it will be done right and for a fair price. he only works on commanders. allan hoffman ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Sep 30, 2006
Victor, Were you based at Herrera airport before it closed? A friend of mine would purchase insurance repairable planes and fly them there for a paint job by Hector who also paints for the military there. Since moved to the new airport. I flew a Mooney down for paint and flew a painted Bonanza back to L31 for a friend last September. A few sad ACommander hulls there. Pics are on Nico's pic site. Steve G. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor Fernndez Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 Actually, I'm not in Florida; I'm in Dominican Republic, but Fla. Is, I believe, the closest place with authorized centers. Unless there is one in Puerto Rico? I'm planning to fly the plane up there,, instead of shipping them. Thanks, Victor -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 Where in Florida are you? bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor Fernndez Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 Hello everyone, It's been quite a while. I don't write often, but read all the mails that go around. I was wondering if I could get some help here. I've been upgrading my panel to the Electronics International insts. Real nice. Finally, after two years of having them, I decided it was time to do the job. Don't ask why I took so long cause it's a long story. (When I'm done, I'll send the pics) First, I was wondering if the control wheels of a Shrike can be fitted/added to a 500, and if so, where could I get them. I'm also in need of a good shop for a prop overhaul, in the Fla area, If anyone has good reviews, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Victor Fernandez C HI-560-SP MDJB Used to be MDHE, but they moved it -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B --- Donnie Rose wrote: > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > Subject: Fwd: 500B > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > --- Donnie Rose wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> > > Subject: 500B > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle > > medallion? > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Donnie Rose > > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > protection around > > > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > > __________________________________________________ > protection around > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Oct 01, 2006
I believe F. Lee Bailey (a famous attorney) had a twin commander based in LNA. About 12 years ago I had a prop incident and ended up at the prop shop you are talking about. While awaiting repair of the prop we nosed around some adjacent hangers. One of them had Mr. Bailey's plane in it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alh1(at)juno.com Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 YOU FEllows need to get out more. palm beach aircraft propeller (mike) was the hartzell contact with the hub a/d and is one of the best prop shops in the country. this is at lna. also at lna is palm beach aviation maintenance Jim Schiller has at least 25 years working on aero commanders 561-262-8155. he is in the hangar next door to the prop shop. he may to busy to work on your plane, but if he does it will be done right and for a fair price. he only works on commanders. allan hoffman ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Oct 01, 2006
I think he had a Twin Comanche. bb -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 I believe F. Lee Bailey (a famous attorney) had a twin commander based in LNA. About 12 years ago I had a prop incident and ended up at the prop shop you are talking about. While awaiting repair of the prop we nosed around some adjacent hangers. One of them had Mr. Bailey's plane in it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alh1(at)juno.com Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 YOU FEllows need to get out more. palm beach aircraft propeller (mike) was the hartzell contact with the hub a/d and is one of the best prop shops in the country. this is at lna. also at lna is palm beach aviation maintenance Jim Schiller has at least 25 years working on aero commanders 561-262-8155. he is in the hangar next door to the prop shop. he may to busy to work on your plane, but if he does it will be done right and for a fair price. he only works on commanders. allan hoffman ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: AC-500
Date: Oct 01, 2006
He had a twin Commander that he had converted to TIO540 350hp straight drive engines and was planing to market. JimAddington Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 > > I think he had a Twin Comanche. > > bb > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:05 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 > > > I believe F. Lee Bailey (a famous attorney) had a twin commander based > in LNA. About 12 years ago I had a prop incident and ended up at the > prop shop you are talking about. While awaiting repair of the prop we > nosed around some adjacent hangers. One of them had Mr. Bailey's plane > in it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of > alh1(at)juno.com > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:50 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 > > > YOU FEllows need to get out more. palm beach aircraft propeller (mike) > was the hartzell contact with the hub a/d and is one of the best prop > shops in the country. this is at lna. also at lna is palm beach > aviation maintenance Jim Schiller has at least 25 years working on aero > commanders 561-262-8155. he is in the hangar next door to the prop > shop. he may to busy to work on your plane, but if he does it will be > done right and for a fair price. he only works on commanders. allan > hoffman > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Oct 01, 2006
He has also has Learjets, Turbo Commanders, and a Merlin III. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 He had a twin Commander that he had converted to TIO540 350hp straight drive engines and was planing to market. JimAddington ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Date: Oct 03, 2006
need help. fuel bladder for right wing inboard aux on 680fp, where do i order a new one? and a hydrolic pump left engine io-720, rebuilt or exchange. tnx mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Hydraulic pump & fuel bladder
Date: Oct 03, 2006
Hi Mason, I had a hydraulic pump replaced and a fuel bladder replaced on the 680 FLP I fly within the last two years. I can't get the information about who did it right now, but perhaps tomorrow. I've got the IO-720 engines. We had the hydraulic pump rebuilt rather than exchange and it's done fine ever since. I don't remember who did the work, I'll check. I'm flying out of town tomorrow afternoon and will be back Thursday late. I'll get you something. Ray Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:28 PM > > need help. fuel bladder for right wing inboard aux on 680fp, where do i > order a new one? and a hydrolic pump left engine io-720, rebuilt or > exchange. tnx mason > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hydraulic pump & fuel bladder
Date: Oct 03, 2006
Aircraft Floats and Fuel Cells has a line of PMA fuel cells here is their web address. http://www.ffcfuelcells.com/otheraircraft.html Send the hydraulic pump to: Quality Aircraft Accessories 918-835-2804 5746 E. Apache St., Building A 1-877-833-6948 Tulsa Oklahoma 74115 fax 918-835-2804 request a quick turn on the pump and they will help you out. Mike Commander NW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 04, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Tank Bags
Mason, Of the several producers of PMA tank liners, have a close look at the specifications, go for dual layer "Permaflex", one lot of liners I have just seen out here "you could shoot peas thro'". If one's gone, how about the others?? Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 07:28 AM 4/10/2006, you wrote: > >need help. fuel bladder for right wing inboard aux on 680fp, where >do i order a new one? and a hydrolic pump left engine io-720, >rebuilt or exchange. tnx mason > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to: Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Oct 03, 2006
Mason, I had good luck with aircraft Accessories in Tulsa, OK 1 800 255 9928. It has been several years ago that I used them but was satisfied with their work. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 4:28 PM > > need help. fuel bladder for right wing inboard aux on 680fp, where do i > order a new one? and a hydrolic pump left engine io-720, rebuilt or > exchange. tnx mason > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hydraulic pump & fuel bladder
Date: Oct 04, 2006
Aircraft Floats and Fuel Cells has a line of PMA fuel cells here is their web address. http://www.ffcfuelcells.com/otheraircraft.html The fuel cells they make are every bit as good as the the permaflex cells and they are completive in priceing, with an excellent warranty. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N210HD N634CT
Date: Oct 04, 2006
In a a message a few weeks ago I quoted the speed at altitude of these two ships wrong. TAS at 24K was 186 KT, ground speed was 220 KT. My mistake. That statement has bothered me so I had to set the record straight. Mike Commander NW ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: N210HD N634CT
Date: Oct 04, 2006
Was that the Shrike with turbo-normalized engines? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of mike floyd Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: Commander-List: N210HD N634CT In a a message a few weeks ago I quoted the speed at altitude of these two ships wrong. TAS at 24K was 186 KT, ground speed was 220 KT. My mistake. That statement has bothered me so I had to set the record straight. Mike Commander NW ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 04, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re:
Mason, call Robert Smith at Mena Aircraft Engines @ 479-394-7688. He has the connection on the pump. Donnie N69PT --- MASON Chevaillier wrote: > Chevaillier" > > need help. fuel bladder for right wing inboard aux > on 680fp, where do i > order a new one? and a hydrolic pump left engine > io-720, rebuilt or > exchange. tnx mason > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > Web Forums! > > > Admin. > > > > > Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: N210HD N634CT
Date: Oct 04, 2006
Two Shrikes with the turbo normalized system. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Was there a flyin?????????????????
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Date: Oct 04, 2006
How about a report. -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=65895#65895 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Oct 05, 2006
Hey Milt, Do you suppose the ones that went to the fly-in were all sucked into some kind of black hole? Where did they go? bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 05, 2006
Subject: Re: Fly-In
What happened at the fly-in stays at the fly-in! (he-he). Just kidding .... more details later. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 06, 2006
Subject: Membership Directory
Captain JimBob, Just got my TCFG Membership Directory. Maybe I'm just flattered that you put in an old photo of me that shows me 11 years younger, but I'm really impressed with how you did the directory and resource section. Well done, Sir! You're a class act and I thank you for all that you do for the Flight Group. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Membership Directory
Date: Oct 06, 2006
out of the mouth of babes. mason >From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Membership Directory >Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:15:43 EDT > >Captain JimBob, > >Just got my TCFG Membership Directory. Maybe I'm just flattered that you >put >in an old photo of me that shows me 11 years younger, but I'm really >impressed with how you did the directory and resource section. > >Well done, Sir! You're a class act and I thank you for all that you do for >the Flight Group. > >Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: SB226
Date: Oct 06, 2006
If anyone has a SB226 flap pulley tool they'd be willing to loan for a couple days I'd be much obliged. Phil Stubbs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 08, 2006
Subject: Re: SB226
PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com
Subject: Re: SB226
Date: Oct 08, 2006
Would the two Ausie's clowns sent me you email adddress's. My comuputer went down and lost the addresses. Kerry and I are trying to set up a visit to your neck of the woods in early February. Buddy Windham YOURTCFG(at)aol.com writes: > PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS > you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SB226
Date: Oct 08, 2006
Hi Buddy, Obviously keep it a secret, but why don't you try borrowing Richard's key to his Corvette while you're over there, as there's bound to be some kind of auction in the neighbourhood :-) I had computer problems too on my return. Having previewed the emails awaiting me via my "MailWasher" program, I identified 500-odd that were Spam out of the 600-odd waiting to be downloaded. Having selected the 500-odd to be deleted from the server, I hit the 'Process Mail' button and waited for the remaining 100-odd to appear in my Inbox. It's now the following day and I'm still waiting!!! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226 | | Would the two Ausie's clowns sent me you email adddress's. My comuputer | went down and lost the addresses. Kerry and I are trying to set up a visit | to your neck of the woods in early February. | | Buddy Windham | | | | | | | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com writes: | | > PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS | > you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb | | | | H.W."Buddy" Windham | President | Cycon Enterprises, Inc. | Excalibur Contracting, Inc. | The Windham Companies, Inc. | L&B Investors, LLC | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com
Subject: Re: SB226
Date: Oct 08, 2006
You made it home. Good the Queen is now safe. I would never drive a Corvette that has a steering wheel on the wrong side of dash board. Stay in touch. Good seeing you in Ohio. Barry Collman writes: > > Hi Buddy, > > Obviously keep it a secret, but why don't you try borrowing Richard's key to his > Corvette while you're over there, as there's bound to be some kind of auction in > the neighbourhood :-) > > I had computer problems too on my return. Having previewed the emails awaiting > me via my "MailWasher" program, I identified 500-odd that were Spam out of the > 600-odd waiting to be downloaded. Having selected the 500-odd to be deleted from > the server, I hit the 'Process Mail' button and waited for the remaining 100-odd > to appear in my Inbox. > > It's now the following day and I'm still waiting!!! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226 > > > | > | Would the two Ausie's clowns sent me you email adddress's. My comuputer > | went down and lost the addresses. Kerry and I are trying to set up a visit > | to your neck of the woods in early February. > | > | Buddy Windham > | > | > | > | > | > | > | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com writes: > | > | > PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS > | > you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb > | > | > | > | H.W."Buddy" Windham > | President > | Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > | Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > | The Windham Companies, Inc. > | L&B Investors, LLC > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > > > > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: SB226
Date: Oct 08, 2006
jm, just open tcfg packet. kudos for a great and handy booklet. thank you mason ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226 PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: SB226
Date: Oct 08, 2006
Thanks Jim, Having never done it before I'll feel better doing the first one with the tool. Phil Phil Stubbs ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 10/8/2006 1:49:42 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226 PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Oct 08, 2006
Just throwing the idea out there. Would there be any benefit in providing an education grant to promising young engineers to fill the voids left by those who leave us? The way I see it is that, if there is no investment in the future, the industry's intellectual property in terms of Commander expertise will die out. These ships will still fly for a considerable period of time and good, knowledgeable engineers will be required. Perhaps an apprenticeship with one of today's gurus will be a good start. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N560WM(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 Florida has no really any one that works on Commanders, I am in opa locka and have a difficult time, there was one good mechanic, Wesss and he died last week, your best place is Lakeland or commander aero. A. Bustillo ( Andy) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: It's a dog's life
Date: Oct 08, 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN77b9DqEbc&mode=related&search ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: AC-500
Date: Oct 09, 2006
n, the dick wartinger foundation is for this , i think. mason >From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 >Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 19:37:26 -0700 > >Just throwing the idea out there. Would there be any benefit in providing >an >education grant to promising young engineers to fill the voids left by >those >who leave us? The way I see it is that, if there is no investment in the >future, the industry's intellectual property in terms of Commander >expertise >will die out. These ships will still fly for a considerable period of time >and good, knowledgeable engineers will be required. Perhaps an >apprenticeship with one of today's gurus will be a good start. > >Nico > > > _____ > >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of >N560WM(at)aol.com >Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 9:15 AM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 > > >Florida has no really any one that works on Commanders, I am in opa locka >and have a difficult time, there was one good mechanic, Wesss and he died >last week, your best place is Lakeland or commander aero. > > >A. Bustillo ( Andy) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 10, 2006
From: Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: mechanic in FL
Gentlemen of the TCFG, If needed I do have 2 mechanics in FL. familiair with Twin Commanders. One A/I and one A/P. Also for turboprops Commanders. If interested I will pass on their phone #. regards, Frits Abbing > > > Florida has no really any one that works on > Commanders, I am in opa locka > and have a difficult time, there was one good > mechanic, Wesss and he died > last week, your best place is Lakeland or commander > aero. > > > > A. Bustillo ( Andy) > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 10, 2006
From: Gary Wilson <sr14572(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: mechanic in FL
contact bill turley, aircraft engineering in bartow, fl. Gentlemen of the TCFG, If needed I do have 2 mechanics in FL. familiair with Twin Commanders. One A/I and one A/P. Also for turboprops Commanders. If interested I will pass on their phone #. regards, Frits Abbing > > > Florida has no really any one that works on > Commanders, I am in opa locka > and have a difficult time, there was one good > mechanic, Wesss and he died > last week, your best place is Lakeland or commander > aero. > > > > A. Bustillo ( Andy) > > > > > __________________________________________________ --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: AC-500
Date: Oct 10, 2006
Re: Florida based service; Our mechanic Jack is a retired 'snowbird' who spends his winters in Naples FL. He's a crackerjack mechanic and has been around Commanders for a long time and has been doing our maintenance for many years. I'd be happy to forward contact information. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Fernndez " <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 > > > Actually, > I'm not in Florida; I'm in Dominican Republic, but Fla. Is, I believe, the > closest place with authorized centers. > Unless there is one in Puerto Rico? > I'm planning to fly the plane up there,, instead of shipping them. > Thanks, > Victor > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:46 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-500 > > > Where in Florida are you? > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor > Fernndez > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 6:10 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 > > > > Hello everyone, > It's been quite a while. I don't write often, but read all the mails that > go around. > I was wondering if I could get some help here. I've been upgrading my > panel > to the Electronics International insts. Real nice. Finally, after two > years of having them, I decided it was time to do the job. Don't ask why > I > took so long cause it's a long story. (When I'm done, I'll send the pics) > First, I was wondering if the control wheels of a Shrike can be > fitted/added > to a 500, and if so, where could I get them. > > I'm also in need of a good shop for a prop overhaul, in the Fla area, If > anyone has good reviews, I would greatly appreciate it. > Thanks in advance, > Victor Fernandez C > HI-560-SP > MDJB > > Used to be MDHE, but they moved it > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie > Rose > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 5:43 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: 500B > > > --- Donnie Rose wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> >> Subject: Fwd: 500B >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> >> >> >> --- Donnie Rose wrote: >> >> > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:48:48 -0700 (PDT) >> > From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> >> > Subject: 500B >> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> > >> > Does anyone out there have a "500B" engine nacelle >> > medallion? >> > >> > Thank you, >> > >> > >> > Donnie Rose >> > 205/492-8444 >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > protection around >> > >> >> >> Donnie Rose >> 205/492-8444 >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> protection around >> > > > Donnie Rose > 205/492-8444 > > > __________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 11, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-500
PLEASE DO, THANKS. AB. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 11, 2006
Subject: Re: SB226
In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:50:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes: Thanks Jim, Having never done it before I'll feel better doing the first one with the tool. Phil THE BAD NEWS, I LOST THE TOOL. The good news is I found it today!! Yea. Sorry for the delay, I'll get it mailed. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: SB226
Date: Oct 12, 2006
Hi Folks, Am I the only one that gets each message at least twice & some times 4 times? Moe Mills _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of

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