Commander-Archive.digest.vol-cf
October 13, 2006 - November 29, 2006
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:32 PM
In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:50:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
Thanks Jim,
Having never done it before I'll feel better doing the first one with the
tool.
Phil
THE BAD NEWS, I LOST THE TOOL. The good news is I found it today!! Yea.
Sorry for the delay, I'll get it mailed. jb
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| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Only comes through once down here in upside down land!!
---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:55:18 -0700
>From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: SB226
>To:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Am I the only one that gets each message at least
> twice & some times 4 times?
>
>
>
> Moe Mills
>
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> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:50:40 A.M. Pacific
> Standard Time, br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> Having never done it before I'll feel better doing
> the first one with the tool.
>
> Phil
>
> THE BAD NEWS, I LOST THE TOOL. The good news is I
> found it today!! Yea. Sorry for the delay, I'll
> get it mailed. jb
>
>
>
>
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>To:
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: SB226
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:55:18 -0700
>
>Hi Folks,
>
>
>Am I the only one that gets each message at least twice & some times 4
>times?
>
>
>Moe Mills
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:32 PM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226
>
>
>In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:50:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
>
>Thanks Jim,
>
>Having never done it before I'll feel better doing the first one with the
>tool.
>
>Phil
>
>THE BAD NEWS, I LOST THE TOOL. The good news is I found it today!! Yea.
>Sorry for the delay, I'll get it mailed. jb
>
>
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
me too
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Hi Folks,
Am I the only one that gets each message at least twice & some times 4 times?
Moe Mills
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226
In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:50:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, br549phil(at)mindspring.com
writes:
Thanks Jim,
Having never done it before I'll feel better doing the first one with the tool.
Phil
THE BAD NEWS, I LOST THE TOOL. The good news is I found it today!! Yea. Sorry
for the delay, I'll get it mailed. jb
me too
Hi Folks,
Am I the only one that gets each message
at least twice & some times 4 times?
Moe Mills
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:32 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226
In a message dated 10/8/2006 8:50:40 A.M.
Pacific Standard Time, br549phil(at)mindspring.com writes:
Having never done
it before I'll feel better doing the first one with the tool.
THE BAD NEWS, I LOST THE TOOL. The
good news is I found it today!! Yea. Sorry for the delay,
I'll get it mailed. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | rnjthompson(at)aol.com |
Buddy my boy,
Corvettes that have the steering on the CORRECT side and rack and pinion steering
are the only way to go.They steer like a new car.
Come visit and ill let you drive ti around.
To all those that went to the fly in, thanks for a great time. Only got back to
Sydney today. Am feeling a little RAT SH.T.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com
Sent: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB226
You made it home. Good the Queen is now safe. I would never drive a Corvette that
has a steering wheel on the wrong side of dash board. Stay in touch. Good seeing
you in Ohio.
Barry Collman writes:
> Barry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:23 PM
> |
> | Would the two Ausie's clowns sent me you email adddress's. My comuputer
> | went down and lost the addresses. Kerry and I are trying to set up a visit
> | to your neck of the woods in early February.
> |
> | Buddy Windham
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com writes:
> |
> | > PHIL. Sorry, I forrgot to send it. I'll get it in the mail Monday jb PS
> | > you can do just as well with a 1/8th inch (#30) drill bit. jb
> |
> |
> |
> | H.W."Buddy" Windham
> | President
> | Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> | Excalibur Contracting, Inc.
> | The Windham Companies, Inc.
> | L&B Investors, LLC
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | > > > > > >
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Hi Stan,
Firstly, it was great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In. I hope the cold
has cleared up!
I find I have a question regarding your 681.
I have searched the FAA records, but cannot seem to find a Form 337 covering the
installation of the Winglets on s/n 6027.
They should, of course, have been installed under STC SA1359GL.
If you have anything in the paperwork you hold that would reveal the date on
which they were signed-off as being installed, I'll be very grateful if you
would let me know.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
Hi Barry,
My dad and I both enjoyed seeing you again, too!
My cold is all better. In fact, it cleared up a couple of days after the
fly-in, and the rest of the week and the trip back went very smoothly
(and quickly, too)!
I have not located any paperwork on the winglets. I'll keep looking, but
I have a feeling that during the period that this plane was owned by the
government, not all of the paperwork was recorded properly. My guess is
that this is when the winglets were installed.
Gary Kromer advised me that the next time the winglets are off for
maintenance I can get the necessary information from the tags inside
them and we can figure out the paperwork from there. I'll be sure to
keep you posted!
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: Commander-List: N681SP
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Stan,
Firstly, it was great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In. I hope the
cold
has cleared up!
I find I have a question regarding your 681.
I have searched the FAA records, but cannot seem to find a Form 337
covering the
installation of the Winglets on s/n 6027.
They should, of course, have been installed under STC SA1359GL.
If you have anything in the paperwork you hold that would reveal the
date on
which they were signed-off as being installed, I'll be very grateful if
you
would let me know.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Stan,
OK - but thanks for checking though.
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: N681SP
|
| Hi Barry,
|
| My dad and I both enjoyed seeing you again, too!
|
| My cold is all better. In fact, it cleared up a couple of days after the
| fly-in, and the rest of the week and the trip back went very smoothly
| (and quickly, too)!
|
| I have not located any paperwork on the winglets. I'll keep looking, but
| I have a feeling that during the period that this plane was owned by the
| government, not all of the paperwork was recorded properly. My guess is
| that this is when the winglets were installed.
|
| Gary Kromer advised me that the next time the winglets are off for
| maintenance I can get the necessary information from the tags inside
| them and we can figure out the paperwork from there. I'll be sure to
| keep you posted!
|
| Regards,
| Stan
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 7:54 AM
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Commander-List: N681SP
|
|
| --> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi Stan,
|
| Firstly, it was great seeing you and Bob again at the Fly-In. I hope the
| cold
| has cleared up!
|
| I find I have a question regarding your 681.
|
| I have searched the FAA records, but cannot seem to find a Form 337
| covering the
| installation of the Winglets on s/n 6027.
|
| They should, of course, have been installed under STC SA1359GL.
|
| If you have anything in the paperwork you hold that would reveal the
| date on
| which they were signed-off as being installed, I'll be very grateful if
| you
| would let me know.
|
| Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
|
| Sincere Best Regards,
| Barry
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Shrike wind spar x-ray |
Hoping you guys can help me out on another situation. My shrike has to have
an annual x-ray on the wing spar due to the 30 month wing spar inspection
showed an air pocket or occlusion. Does anyone have any suggestions as to
who best to perform this operation and approximate cost. I am located in
Louisiana. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike Commander |
Did anyone get my message yesterday concerning information on cost and
places I might get the wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
anomaly which was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
this
issue would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
message, however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may
provide.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike Commander |
Hi Tommy,
Just for your info, both of your messages arrived within twelve minutes
of each other, just now, here in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10).
Could be everyone else experienced the same thing.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tommy Mathieu
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
Commander
Did anyone get my message yesterday concerning information on cost and
places I might get the wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
anomaly which was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
this issue would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a
duplicate message, however I get an email from the matronics list each
day and my message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help
you may provide.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Victor_Fern=E1ndez_?= <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> |
| Subject: | Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike Commander |
I too am receiving two messages of each email sent
Victor
HI-560-SP
MDLI
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
Commander
Hi Tommy,
Just for your info, both of your messages arrived within twelve minutes
of
each other, just now, here in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10).
Could
be everyone else experienced the same thing.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tommy Mathieu <mailto:tmathieu(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
Commander
Did anyone get my message yesterday concerning information on cost and
places I might get the wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
anomaly which was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
this
issue would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
message, however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may
provide.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Shrike wind spar x-ray |
tm, commander aero 888 881 5580 gary kromer. mason
>From: "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Shrike wind spar x-ray
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:59:46 -0500
>
>Hoping you guys can help me out on another situation. My shrike has to have
>an annual x-ray on the wing spar due to the 30 month wing spar inspection
>showed an air pocket or occlusion. Does anyone have any suggestions as to
>who best to perform this operation and approximate cost. I am located in
>Louisiana. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Tommy Mathieu
>
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| From: | "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike Commander |
I'm still getting 2 of each message, and are both shown as the exact same
time.
Roland
>From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
>Commander
>Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:25:07 +0100
>
>Hi Tommy,
>
>Just for your info, both of your messages arrived within twelve minutes of
>each other, just now, here in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10). Could
>be everyone else experienced the same thing.
>
>Best Regards,
>Barry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tommy Mathieu
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
>Commander
>
>
> Did anyone get my message yesterday concerning information on cost and
>places I might get the wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
>anomaly which was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
>this issue would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
>message, however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
>message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may provide.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tommy Mathieu
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Commander 690 Lost |
Saw this on http://www.aero-news.net/ this morning. Kind thoughts &
prayers to the families.....
/John
___________________________
Aero Commander Down In Oklahoma Four Die On The Way To NBAA
Four men are dead after
their plane apparently broke up in-flight over eastern
Oklahoma.
The Associated Press reports the plane's owner, Jon Olsen,
was in the co-pilot's seat, and his father-in-law Charles Howard
was on the pilot's side. Olsen was a CFI.
Two others were riding along on the flight from Oklahoma City.
The men were on their way to Orlando Florida to attend the NBAA
convention.
The wreckage of the Aero Commander 690 (file photo of
type) was strewn over a wide area of rugged terrain near
Antlers Oklahoma. Authorities used four-wheel-drive vehicles and
horses to search the area by ground after the plane was reported
missing last Sunday afternoon.
Controllers say the aircraft climbed to 23,000 feet out of Wiley
Post airport into an area of heavy rain before disappearing from
radar.
The widely-scattered wreckage hampered efforts to locate the
victims bodies. Searchers found the final victim's on
Thursday.
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 55JS
Make/Model: AC90 Description: 690
TURBO COMMANDER 690
Date: 10/15/2006 Time: 1802
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury:
None Mid Air: N Missing:
N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: ANTLERS State: OK Country:
US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, SUBJECT OF AN
ALERT NOTICE
10/15/06, THE FOUR PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED,
WRECKAGE LOCATED
2 MILES WEST OF ANTLERS, OK
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike Commander |
Ditto
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
>
> I'm still getting 2 of each message, and are both shown as the exact same
> time.
>
>
> Roland
>
>
> >From: Barry Collman
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:25:07 +0100
> >
> >Hi Tommy,
> >
> >Just for your info, both of your messages arrived within twelve minutes of
> >each other, just now, here in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10). Could
> >be everyone else experienced the same thing.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Barry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tommy Mathieu
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >
> >
> > Did anyone get my message yesterday concerning information on cost and
> >places I might get the wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
> >anomaly which was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
> >this issue would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
> >message, however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
> >message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may provide.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Tommy Mathieu
>
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>
>
>
Ditto
> --> Commander-List message posted
by: "Nancy Gilliam"
>
> I'm still getting
2 of each message, and are both shown as the exact same
> time.
>
<BR>> <BR>> Roland <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >From: Barry Collman
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject:
Re: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:25:07 +0100
> >
>
>Hi Tommy,
> >
> >Just for your info, both of your messages
arrived within twelve minutes of
> >each other, just now, here
in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10). Could <
BR>>
; >be everyone else experienced the same thing.
> >
> >Best
Regards,
> >Barry
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tommy Mathieu <BR>> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List:
Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >
> >
> > Did anyone get my message yesterday
concerning information on cost and
> >places I might get the wing spar
on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
> >anomaly which was discovered
sometime back? Any help I might receive on
> >this issue would
be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
> >message,
however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
> >message
was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may provide.
> >
> >
> >
> &g
t; Sin
=====
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike Commander |
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Ditto
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
>
> I'm still getting 2 of each message, and are both shown as the exact same
> time.
>
>
> Roland
>
>
> >From: Barry Collman
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:25:07 +0100
> >
> >Hi Tommy,
> >
> >Just for your info, both of your messages arrived within twelve minutes of
> >each other, just now, here in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10). Could
< BR>> ; >be everyone else experienced the same thing.
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Barry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tommy Mathieu
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >
> >
> > Did anyone get my message yesterday concerning information on cost and
> >places I might get the wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
> >anomaly which was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
> >this issue would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
> >message, however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
> >message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may provide.
> >
> >
> >
> &g t; Sin ======
Bud1 looks to being put to good use.
Ditto
> --> Commander-List message posted
by: "Nancy Gilliam"
>
> I'm still getting
2 of each message, and are both shown as the exact same
> time.
>
<BR>> <BR>> Roland <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> >From: Barry Collman
> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >Subject:
Re: Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:25:07 +0100
> >
>
>Hi Tommy,
> >
> >Just for your info, both of your messages
arrived within twelve minutes of
> >each other, just now, here
in the UK (were shown as 13:59 and 14:10). Could &
lt; BR
>> ; >be everyone else experienced the same thing.
> >
>
>Best Regards,
> >Barry
> > ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> > From: Tommy Mathieu <BR>> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 2:11 PM
> > Subject:
Commander-List: Message regarding x-ray of spar on Shrike
> >Commander
> >
> >
> > Did anyone get my message
yesterday concerning information on cost and
> >places I might get the
wing spar on my Shrike Commander x rayed for an
> >anomaly which
was discovered sometime back? Any help I might receive on
> >this issue
would be greatly appreciated. I apologize if this is a duplicate
>
>message, however I get an email from the matronics list each day and my
>
>message was not on the board. Thanks everyone for any help you may
provide.
> >
> >
> > >
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| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 $B!|(B Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310)
536-0333
moe(at)rosspistons.com
Commander drivers,
N680RR engines have just been converted from IGSO540B1A to IGSO540B1C. This
means that we have removed the magnetos which use individual external coils
and replaced them with regular mags. If anyone needs them I have 6 low
voltage mags, external coils, primary and secondary wiring (some brand new).
Will sell at a very reasonable price if anyone in the group needs. If not
e/bay in a couple of weeks.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Hi all, not to long ago someone was offering a hydraulic valve (amoungst
other things) for sale.
I need to either buy one or find a place that will stop mine from leaking in
a no-pressure environment.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic valve |
tf, hydrolic pumps to quality air in tulsa or aircraft parts also in
tulsa. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher<mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hydraulic valve
>
Hi all, not to long ago someone was offering a hydraulic valve
(amoungst
other things) for sale.
I need to either buy one or find a place that will stop mine from
leaking in
a no-pressure environment.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
m/Navigator?Commander-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic valve |
Not pump, valve.
TF
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hydraulic valve
tf, hydrolic pumps to quality air in tulsa or aircraft parts also in
tulsa. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hydraulic valve
Hi all, not to long ago someone was offering a hydraulic valve
(amoungst
other things) for sale.
I need to either buy one or find a place that will stop mine from
leaking in
a no-pressure environment.
Tom F.
C-GISS
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| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic valve |
Which valve?
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
anyone have the seat rail bolts and nuts etc to install a rear bench seat?
mason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
Dear Commander owner /operators
I fly a 690A and need headrests for the pilot /copilot seats . Anyone have
a source ? Thanks, Nick N690DB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
Chevaillier
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject:
anyone have the seat rail bolts and nuts etc to install a rear bench seat?
mason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Mason,
The thought "scarce as hen's teeth" comes to mind.
I had to make a set, "parts manufactured in the course of
maintenance" covers it, provided you use as good material.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 02:49 AM 24/10/2006, you wrote:
>
>anyone have the seat rail bolts and nuts etc to install a rear bench
>seat? mason
>
.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
wjrh, tnx like duck lips. mason
>From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Seat Retention.
>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:05:08 +1000
>
>Mason,
>The thought "scarce as hen's teeth" comes to mind.
>I had to make a set, "parts manufactured in the course of maintenance"
>covers it, provided you use as good material.
>Cheers,
>Bill Hamilton
>
>
>At 02:49 AM 24/10/2006, you wrote:
>>
>>anyone have the seat rail bolts and nuts etc to install a rear bench seat?
>>mason
>>
>
>
>.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Seat Retention. |
My 560 uses widgets to attach the rear bench. They're small spring loaded
jaws that grab the head of a button style head threaded into the bottom of
the seat frame.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Seat Retention.
>
> wjrh, tnx like duck lips. mason
>
>
>>From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
>>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Commander-List: Seat Retention.
>>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:05:08 +1000
>>
>>Mason,
>>The thought "scarce as hen's teeth" comes to mind.
>>I had to make a set, "parts manufactured in the course of maintenance"
>>covers it, provided you use as good material.
>>Cheers,
>>Bill Hamilton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 02:49 AM 24/10/2006, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>anyone have the seat rail bolts and nuts etc to install a rear bench
>>>seat? mason
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
about two days ago comcast completely updated the way their e-mail appears, I suspect
they made other changes as well.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>
>
> Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
>
> For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the
> Matronics Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I
> appears that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
>
> If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your
> displeasure with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to
> "matronics.com".
>
> Sorry for the hassle...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
about two days ago comcast completely updated the way their e-mail appears,
I suspect they made other changes as well.
> --> Commander-List message posted
by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Dear Listers
(Specifically Comcast Listers),
>
> For about the last two days,
Comcast was blocking incoming email from the
> Matronics Email Lists
because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I
> was able to finally
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
>
>
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your
>
displeasure with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates
to
> "matronics.com".
>
> Sorry for the hassle...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List
Admin
=====
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| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
List
I use a separate ISP from BellSouth for my emails. They gave me the choice
to opt out of their Spam filter which I did so I could use my own Anti Spam
methods and software. Before I did so there was quite a bit of good stuff
being blocked to me and I much prefer to be the Master of my own Domain.
Sooooo.. Those who care to might call or email their ISP and ask to opt out
also.
Steve G.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists...
about two days ago comcast completely updated the way their e-mail appears,
I suspect they made other changes as well.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>
>
> Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
>
> For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the
> Matronics Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was
spam. I
and it
> appears that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
>
> If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your
> displeasure with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to
> "matronics.com".
>
> Sorry for the hassle...
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin ======
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program |
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
| From: | "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> |
Hey all-
Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
Commander here at Georgetown.
Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
full throttle on the left engine.
When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
little (if any) pressure on the ram.
Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
the ram?
Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
pressure.
At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
goes away at around 1500 RPM.
Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
problem right now.
Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
familiar with the tricky steering.
All suggestions appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
********************
Matthew Hawkins
Director, Marine Ops
R/V HUGH R. SHARP
302-645-4341
FAX: 302-645-4006
hawkins(at)udel.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
Sounds to me more like a worn bolt/bushing. They are *very* critical.
Bruce
N4186B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
J. Hawkins
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Hey all-
Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
Commander here at Georgetown.
Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
full throttle on the left engine.
When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
little (if any) pressure on the ram.
Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
the ram?
Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
pressure.
At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
goes away at around 1500 RPM.
Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
problem right now.
Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
familiar with the tricky steering.
All suggestions appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
********************
Matthew Hawkins
Director, Marine Ops
R/V HUGH R. SHARP
302-645-4341
FAX: 302-645-4006
hawkins(at)udel.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
One other thought. Might want to check the main gear for play.
Bruce Campbell
N4186B AC52
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
J. Hawkins
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Hey all-
Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
Commander here at Georgetown.
Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
full throttle on the left engine.
When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
little (if any) pressure on the ram.
Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
the ram?
Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
pressure.
At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
goes away at around 1500 RPM.
Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
problem right now.
Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
familiar with the tricky steering.
All suggestions appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt
********************
Matthew Hawkins
Director, Marine Ops
R/V HUGH R. SHARP
302-645-4341
FAX: 302-645-4006
hawkins(at)udel.edu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
what would main gear play mean or what affect would this cause ? we have had the
same problem steering hard one way or the other, but I know what its from...40mph
crosswinds while taxxing : )
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
>
>
> One other thought. Might want to check the main gear for play.
>
> Bruce Campbell
> N4186B AC52
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
> J. Hawkins
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:18 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>
>
>
> Hey all-
>
> Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> Commander here at Georgetown.
>
> Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> full throttle on the left engine.
>
> When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> little (if any) pressure on the ram.
>
> Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
>
> Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> the ram?
>
> Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
>
> Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
>
> No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> pressure.
>
> At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> goes away at around 1500 RPM.
>
> Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> problem right now.
>
> Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> familiar with the tricky steering.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> ********************
> Matthew Hawkins
> Director, Marine Ops
> R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> 302-645-4341
> FAX: 302-645-4006
> hawkins(at)udel.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
what would main gear play mean or what affect would this cause ?
we have had the same problem steering hard one way or the other, but I
know what its from...40mph crosswinds while taxxing : )
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: Bruce Campbell <BR>> <BRCAMP(at)WINDOWS.MICROSOFT.COM><BR>> <BR>> One other thought. Might want to check the main gear for play. <BR>> <BR>> Bruce Campbell <BR>> N4186B AC52 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew <BR>> J. Hawkins <BR>> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:18 AM <BR>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com <BR>> Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <BR>> <HAWKINS(at)CMS.UDEL.EDU><BR>> <BR>> Hey all- <BR>> <BR>> Well, no luck in selling N2760B here i
n Dela
ware - so thinking I'll just
> start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified
pilots with the
> Commander here at Georgetown.
>
>
Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
>
"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> full throttle on the left engine.
>
> When you shut down,
you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> little (if any)
pressure on the ram.
>
> Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
>
> Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering
by-pass
> valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve
rather than to
> the ram?
>
> Funny that it only goes
hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
>
> Hydraulic pressure
is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of
the > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
>
Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
>
> No problem with
flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> pressure.
>
> At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down
between
> the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve
are. It
> goes away at around 1500 RPM.
>
> Just trying
to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> All hydraulic
related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> problem
right now.
>
> Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing
wrong in handling
> her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time
in the Commander has
> never had the severe "hard left" problem in his
bird - though very
> familiar with the tricky steering.
>
>
All suggestions appreciated.
>
> Tha
nks, <
=====
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:46 AM
Subject: Commander-List: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program
Tyler:
I received a header from you with no message. Please repeat.
Thanx!
Moe
N680RR
680FP
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program |
Same here!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program
|
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
| Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:46 AM
| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: Commander-List: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program
|
| Tyler:
|
| I received a header from you with no message. Please repeat.
|
| Thanx!
|
| Moe
| N680RR
| 680FP
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program |
Moe & company,
I just tried again to send the article.
It is from www.aero-news.net
From Sunday.
I hope it went through.
Tylor Hall
On Oct 30, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Tylor Hall
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:46 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: TRACE Engines LP Purchases Orenda Program
>
> Tyler:
>
> I received a header from you with no message. Please repeat.
>
> Thanx!
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680FP
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
In a message dated 10/30/2006 9:19:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu writes:
Even with full right rudder and
full throttle on the left engine.
I am sure this is a typo, because you know the rudder will not steer the
airplane. It may be that the shimmy dampener is dirty. Take some brake cleaner
(found in aerosol cans at places like NAPA) and hose down the shimmy
dampener. Next check the rigging on the shimmy damper (as per the manual). If
the
steering is working one direction, it is not the steering cut out valve. Do
the brakes work normally?? You can check for pressure at the cylinder by
building pressure in the system, then depress the pedal to steer and crack the
appropriate line to the steering cylinder. If there is no pressure there,
work backward until you get pressure. The chattering is probably low pressure
in the accumulator. or a faulty unloading valve, it is mounted blow the floor
next to the hand pump. jb
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| From: | "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
This is a test. I posted a reply several hours ago have not seen it yet.
Roland
>From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:17:32 -0500
>
>
>
>Hey all-
>
>Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
>start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
>Commander here at Georgetown.
>
>Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
>"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
>being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
>full throttle on the left engine.
>
>When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
>little (if any) pressure on the ram.
>
>Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
>
>Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
>valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
>the ram?
>
>Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
>
>Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
>relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
>Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
>
>No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
>pressure.
>
>At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
>the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
>goes away at around 1500 RPM.
>
>Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
>All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
>problem right now.
>
>Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
>her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
>never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
>familiar with the tricky steering.
>
>All suggestions appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>********************
>Matthew Hawkins
>Director, Marine Ops
>R/V HUGH R. SHARP
>302-645-4341
>FAX: 302-645-4006
>hawkins(at)udel.edu
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
Roland,
Doesn't look like it even made it to the Matronics Email Server. Your "test" message
is the only message I'm finding in the logs.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
At 06:29 PM 10/30/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>
>This is a test. I posted a reply several hours ago have not seen it yet.
>
>Roland
>
>
>>From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
>>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:17:32 -0500
>>
>>
>>Hey all-
>>
>>Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
>>start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
>>Commander here at Georgetown.
>>
>>Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
>>"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
>>being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
>>full throttle on the left engine.
>>
>>When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
>>little (if any) pressure on the ram.
>>
>>Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
>>
>>Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
>>valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
>>the ram?
>>
>>Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
>>
>>Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
>>relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
>>Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
>>
>>No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
>>pressure.
>>
>>At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
>>the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
>>goes away at around 1500 RPM.
>>
>>Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
>>All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
>>problem right now.
>>
>>Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
>>her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
>>never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
>>familiar with the tricky steering.
>>
>>All suggestions appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Matt
>>
>>********************
>>Matthew Hawkins
>>Director, Marine Ops
>>R/V HUGH R. SHARP
>>302-645-4341
>>FAX: 302-645-4006
>>hawkins(at)udel.edu
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
Matt,
I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I had
a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three green
but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green lights
but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports were
not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
thought I would pass it on any way.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>
>
> Hey all-
>
> Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> Commander here at Georgetown.
>
> Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> full throttle on the left engine.
>
> When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> little (if any) pressure on the ram.
>
> Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
>
> Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> the ram?
>
> Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
>
> Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
>
> No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> pressure.
>
> At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> goes away at around 1500 RPM.
>
> Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> problem right now.
>
> Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> familiar with the tricky steering.
>
> All suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> ********************
> Matthew Hawkins
> Director, Marine Ops
> R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> 302-645-4341
> FAX: 302-645-4006
> hawkins(at)udel.edu
>
>
>
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| From: | "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
I'll tell you what I did to fix mine.
I made a hose to fit the fitting on the brake assembly, then put a 1500 lb
oil gauge on the other end. Take off the cover under the brake valves.
Attach hose to brake fitting. Pump up the hand valve to about 900 lbs. There
should be no pressure to the brake assembly. ( Yours probably has some
pressure) Adjust the fitting on the brake valve to let pressure show on the
gauge. pump hand valve back up as needed to maintain good pressure. It needs
to be adjusted so no pressure is on the gauge unless you push the brake
pedal, ( 500 - 700 lbs I think). I was about to sell my plane because It
would not steer one way, I thought it was just me. I did this , and in 5
minutes it was like new.Of course this may not be your problem, but it's
worth a try. I think I spent $40.00 on my gauge. My 500 has Clevland brakes,
I assume yours has the fitting to attach to.
Good luck,
Roland
>From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:17:32 -0500
>
>
>
>Hey all-
>
>Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
>start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
>Commander here at Georgetown.
>
>Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
>"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
>being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
>full throttle on the left engine.
>
>When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
>little (if any) pressure on the ram.
>
>Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
>
>Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
>valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
>the ram?
>
>Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
>
>Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
>relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
>Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
>
>No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
>pressure.
>
>At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
>the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
>goes away at around 1500 RPM.
>
>Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
>All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
>problem right now.
>
>Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
>her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
>never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
>familiar with the tricky steering.
>
>All suggestions appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>********************
>Matthew Hawkins
>Director, Marine Ops
>R/V HUGH R. SHARP
>302-645-4341
>FAX: 302-645-4006
>hawkins(at)udel.edu
>
>
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| From: | "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
After doing these it steers like a dream.
Phil Stubbs
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>
>
> Matt,
> I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
had
> a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
green
> but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
lights
> but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
were
> not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> thought I would pass it on any way.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> 500A
>
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hey all-
> >
> > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > Commander here at Georgetown.
> >
> > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > full throttle on the left engine.
> >
> > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> >
> > Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
> >
> > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > the ram?
> >
> > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> >
> > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> >
> > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > pressure.
> >
> > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> > goes away at around 1500 RPM.
> >
> > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > problem right now.
> >
> > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > familiar with the tricky steering.
> >
> > All suggestions appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt
> >
> > ********************
> > Matthew Hawkins
> > Director, Marine Ops
> > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > 302-645-4341
> > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > hawkins(at)udel.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> > > goes away at around 1500 RPM.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders
for a bit.
> --> Commander-List message posted by:
""
>
> When I brought mine home had a
similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming "
the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
>
adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these
it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
>
> [Original Message] <BR>> > From: Jim Addington <JTADDINGTON(at)CHARTER.NET><BR>>
> To:
> > Date:
10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel
problems
> >
> > --> Command
er-Lis
t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
>
>
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where
near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time
where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
>
> but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with
green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What
I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly
and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in
the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought
I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
>
> N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> >
Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>
; >
> >
> > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew
J. Hawkins"
> > >
> > >
>
> > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck
in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > >
start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> >
> Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran
into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
>
> > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and
not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right
rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> >
>
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to
center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air
in cy
linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic
drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be
bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > >
the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard
left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > >
Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
>
> > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> >
>
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of
the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> >
> At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve
are. It
> > > goes away at around 1
500 RP
M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms
in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but
hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something
we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot
with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe
"hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with
the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions
appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> >
> Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > >
R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
&
gt; &g
List
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| Subject: | Twin Rating + Commander Time in Melbourne |
| From: | Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg> |
To all of you =8Cdown under=B9:
I=B9m going to be in Melbourne for the next 3-6 months, and would love to get
a twin rating and some experience in a commander. I=B9ve got an American PPL
(SEL). I know about the license conversion process, but need a flight schoo
l
& instructor who can sign me off to take the air law test. Once that=B9s done
,
I want to get the twin rating & commander hours.
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to go?
Regards,
- Steve
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
Check your nose wheel steering collar for wear on the upper and lower
surfaces. Also the strut could have to much wear. If it has too much clearance
it
will cock when steering one direction.
Bill Leff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
Check your nose wheel steering collar for wear on the upper and lower
surfaces. Also the strut could have to much wear. If it has too much clearance
it
will cock when steering one direction.
Bill Leff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their
commanders for a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+co
mmander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering
collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my
500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had
three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane
went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with
green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was
the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was
putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually
wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking
I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with
the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel
steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard
left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right
rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by
hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel
steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather
than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least
not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy
of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I
understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the
slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter"
down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve
are. It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a
connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the
real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in
handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the
Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though
very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show
signs of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for
a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commande
r> &q=aero+commander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went
left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll
just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering
is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and
not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand -
very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering
by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not
yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly
high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down
between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to
show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their
commanders for a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+co
mmander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering
collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve
pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my
500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and
had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane
went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down
with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was
the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering
was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually
wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so
thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots
with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel
steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard
left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right
rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by
hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel
steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve
rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At
least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just
shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I
understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the
slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter"
down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief
valve are. It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a
connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is
the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong
in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the
Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird -
though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/Snow%20Survey%20HI-RES.wmv
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs
of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 302-645-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting
to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders
for a bit.
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "" <<A href="mailto:br549phil(at)mindspring.com">br549phil(at)mindspring.com</A>> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "" <BR549PHIL(at)MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> <BR>> When I brought mine home had a similar problem. <BR>> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on <BR>> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. <BR>> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure <BR>> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. <BR>> After doing these it steers like a dream. <BR>> <BR>> Phil Stubbs <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > [Original Message] <BR>> > From: Jim Addington <JTADDINGTON(at)CHARTER.NET><BR>> > To: <COMMANDER-LIST(at)MATRONICS.COM><BR>> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM <BR>> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl
ems > >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
>
> I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but,
I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle
down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put
in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was
the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
>
> but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and
steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought
which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
500A
> >
> >
> > Subj
ect: C
ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> >
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins"
> >
>
> > >
> > > Hey all-
>
> >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware
- so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple
of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend
though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're
having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being
able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> >
> full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > >
When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
>
> > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
>
> >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> >
>
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose
wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes
through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At
least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running
a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we
need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only
hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No
problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
>
> > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we
can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats
where the hand pump selector valve and relief val
ve are
. It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
>
> > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel
is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
>
> > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the
Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in
his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> >
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
>
> > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
>
> > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 3
02-645
-4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
OK, the real thing.
http://www.aviationspeakers.com/Speakers/bob-hoover.php
-------------- Original message --------------
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/Snow%20Survey%20HI-RES.wmv
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show signs
of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl ems > >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subj ect: C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief val ve are . It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 3 02-645 -4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
OK, the real thing.
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting
to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders
for a bit.
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "" <<A href="mailto:br549phil(at)mindspring.com">br549phil(at)mindspring.com</A>> <BR><BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "" <BR549PHIL(at)MINDSPRING.COM><BR>> <BR>> When I brought mine home had a similar problem. <BR>> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on <BR>> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction. <BR>> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure <BR>> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual. <BR>> After doing these it steers like a dream. <BR>> <BR>> Phil Stubbs <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > [Original Message] <BR>> > From: Jim Addington <JTADDINGTON(at)CHARTER.NET><BR>> > To: <COMMANDER-LIST(at)MATRONICS.COM><BR>> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM <BR>> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl
ems <
B R>> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
>
> I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A,
but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear
handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and
put in right rudder and brake the plane went left.
> > What I found
was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
>
> but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake
and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought
which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any
way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
500A
> >
> >
> > Su
bj ect
: C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> >
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Matthew J. Hawkins"
>
> >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here
in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have
a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at
Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend
though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but
we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> > >
being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
>
> > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > >
When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
>
> > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
&
gt; > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
>
> >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose
wheel steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just
passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> >
>
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right?
At least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure
is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and
we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > >
Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > >
No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
>
> > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM
we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> > > the
seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief
val v
e are . It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's
a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose
wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong
in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time
in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem
in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
>
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> >
>
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > >
FAX: 3
02-645 -4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
& gt; &g List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nose wheel problems |
I saw this last year and lost it when my computer email went south on
me. I really did like it and I now have it again.
Thanks
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/Snow%20Survey%20HI-RES.wmv
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting
to show signs of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their
commanders for a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+co
mmander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the
steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve
pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl ems > >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as
my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down
and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the
plane went left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down
with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened
was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and
steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is
usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Subj ect: C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
Hawkins"
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so
thinking I'll just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots
with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose
wheel steering is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning
hard left and not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full
right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center
by hand - very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel
steering by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve
rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At
least not yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi -
just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I
understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of
the slightly high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic
"chatter" down between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief
val ve are . It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's
a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel
is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing
wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the
Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird -
though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 3 02-645 -4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
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ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
One kool dude!
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
OK, the real thing.
http://www.aviationspeakers.com/Speakers/bob-hoover.php
-------------- Original message --------------
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
no corrosion here...
MS Flight sim
http://www.aoc.noaa.gov/Snow%20Survey%20HI-RES.wmv
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
I noticed, it was sad.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo <mailto:rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Jim-
It was.... tis a shame that even virtual commanders are starting to show
signs of corrosion tho... hahahah
Rob
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 19:41
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
That was a nice video, really enjoyed it.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
Heres a MS flight sim vid for those whom haven't flown their commanders for
a bit.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4390310129931723937&q=aero+commande
r> &q=aero+commander
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
>
> When I brought mine home had a similar problem.
> Most of the fault was with somebody "overshimming " the steering collar on
> the nose wheel so that it had lots of friction.
> The second part of the fix was to follow the brake valve pressure
> adjustment procedure in the maintenance manual.
> After doing these it steers like a dream.
>
> Phil Stubbs
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Addington
> > To:
> > Date: 10/30/2006 10:37:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nose wheel probl ems < B R>> >
> > --> Command er-Lis t message posted by: "Jim Addington"
>
> >
> > Matt,
> > I don't know if the system is any where near the same as my 500A, but, I
> had
> > a problem one time where I had put the gear handle down and had three
> green
> > but when we landed and put in right rudder and brake the plane went
left.
> > What I found was the handle was down and the gear was down with green
> lights
> > but the handle was not locked down. What I think happened was the ports
> were
> > not lined up properly and the right side brake and steering was putting
> > pressure in the left side. Just my thought which is usually wrong, but,
> > thought I would pass it on any way.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > 500A
> >
> >
> > Su bj ect : C ommander-List: Nose wheel problems
> ; >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey all-
> > >
> > > Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll
just
> > > start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> > > Commander here at Georgetown.
> > >
> > > Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering
is
> > > "tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and
not
> > > being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> > > full throttle on the left engine.
> > >
> > > When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand -
very
> > > little (if any) pressure on the ram.
& gt; > >
> > > Checked for air in cy linder - nothing.
> > >
> > > Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering
by-pass
> > > valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> > > the ram?
> > >
> > > Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not
yet!
> > >
> > > Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> > > relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> > > Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> > >
> > > No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly
high
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down
between
> > > the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief val v e are .
It
> > > goes away at around 1 500 RP M.
> > >
> > > Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> > > All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> > > problem right now.
> > >
> > > Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> > > her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> > > never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> > > familiar with the tricky steering.
> > >
> > > All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > ********************
> > > Matthew Hawkins
> > > Director, Marine Ops
> > > R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> > > 302-645-4341
> > > FAX: 3 02-645 -4006
> > > hawkins(at)udel.edu
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Twin Rating + Commander Time in Melbourne |
Steve,
Call Steve Nott at General Aviation Maintenance, Essendon, he will be
the best source of information, and he has 20+ Commanders, himself.
In Australia, call 03 9739 1019.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 08:41 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:
>To all of you 'down under':
>
>I'm going to be in Melbourne for the next 3-6 months, and would love
>to get a twin rating and some experience in a commander. I've got an
>American PPL (SEL). I know about the license conversion process, but
>need a flight school & instructor who can sign me off to take the
>air law test. Once that's done, I want to get the twin rating &
>commander hours.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions on where to go?
>
>Regards,
> - Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Nose wheel problems |
Matt,
It finally came through.
Thanks,
Roland
>From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:38:39 -0800
>
>
>Roland,
>
>Doesn't look like it even made it to the Matronics Email Server. Your
>"test" message is the only message I'm finding in the logs.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Admin
>
>
>At 06:29 PM 10/30/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>
> >
> >This is a test. I posted a reply several hours ago have not seen it yet.
> >
> >Roland
> >
> >
> >>From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
> >>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >>Subject: Commander-List: Nose wheel problems
> >>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:17:32 -0500
> >>
>
> >>
> >>Hey all-
> >>
> >>Well, no luck in selling N2760B here in Delaware - so thinking I'll just
> >>start flying her. Have a couple of well qualified pilots with the
> >>Commander here at Georgetown.
> >>
> >>Ran into a problem this weekend though. Know the nose wheel steering is
> >>"tricky" - but we're having a problem with it turning hard left and not
> >>being able to get it centered again. Even with full right rudder and
> >>full throttle on the left engine.
> >>
> >>When you shut down, you can go out and turn it to center by hand - very
> >>little (if any) pressure on the ram.
> >>
> >>Checked for air in cylinder - nothing.
> >>
> >>Looking at the hydraulic drawing - could the nose wheel steering by-pass
> >>valve be bad? Such that fluid just passes through valve rather than to
> >>the ram?
> >>
> >>Funny that it only goes hard left - never hard right? At least not yet!
> >>
> >>Hydraulic pressure is running a bit high (1200 psi - just shy of the
> >>relief) and we need to adjust down to be 900 - 1100 as I understand.
> >>Only hydraulic pump on the left engine.
> >>
> >>No problem with flap or gear - just "quick" because of the slightly high
> >>pressure.
> >>
> >>At about 1000 RPM we can hear a bit of hydraulic "chatter" down between
> >>the seats where the hand pump selector valve and relief valve are. It
> >>goes away at around 1500 RPM.
> >>
> >>Just trying to give you all the symptoms in case there's a connection.
> >>All hydraulic related, but hard left on the nose wheel is the real
> >>problem right now.
> >>
> >>Could it be "operator error" - something we're doing wrong in handling
> >>her on the ground? Our pilot with lots of time in the Commander has
> >>never had the severe "hard left" problem in his bird - though very
> >>familiar with the tricky steering.
> >>
> >>All suggestions appreciated.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Matt
> >>
> >>********************
> >>Matthew Hawkins
> >>Director, Marine Ops
> >>R/V HUGH R. SHARP
> >>302-645-4341
> >>FAX: 302-645-4006
> >>hawkins(at)udel.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Live Search!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
http://forums.matronics.com
The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your
Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Good Evening everyone,
I am in need of the male quick connects for an O2 mask that plug into the Scott
"President" or model 8800 Oxygen console. These consoles were factory installed
in 500 series commanders and maybe others.
If anyone has these little fittings I would appreciate it. Most folks have removed
there O2 but I haven't.
Thanks to everyone in advance,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
500B, N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Hi Donnie,
Apparently these fittings are the same on most oxygen systems. When I
needed them I ordered a set of the "nose tube" type and they fit just great.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: Commander-List: O2
Good Evening everyone,
I am in need of the male quick connects for an O2 mask that plug into the
Scott "President" or model 8800 Oxygen console. These consoles were factory
installed in 500 series commanders and maybe others.
If anyone has these little fittings I would appreciate it. Most folks have
removed there O2 but I haven't.
Thanks to everyone in advance,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
500B, N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Cory Liddle NTSB Preliminary Report |
| From: | "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
http://ntsb.gov/Pressrel/2006/061103.htm
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | STELLA MARIS RESORT |
Does anyone have any idea which Commander this is?
http://www.stellamarisresortairservice.com/
Thanks,
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: STELLA MARIS RESORT |
In a message dated 11/7/2006 9:03:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
Does anyone have any idea which Commander this is?
I have seen the airplane and met the pilot. I spent the night in Stella
Maris when delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B to San Juan. It has A/C, but was
inoperative that day. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: STELLA MARIS RESORT |
Hi JimBob,
Was it N175AC? Does that registration ring a bell?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: STELLA MARIS RESORT
In a message dated 11/7/2006 9:03:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
Does anyone have any idea which Commander this is?
I have seen the airplane and met the pilot. I spent the night in
Stella Maris when delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B to San Juan. It has
A/C, but was inoperative that day. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: STELLA MARIS RESORT |
jm, was it yellow? mason
>From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: STELLA MARIS RESORT
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:16:06 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 11/7/2006 9:03:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>BertBerry1(at)aol.com writes:
>
>Does anyone have any idea which Commander this is?
>
>
>I have seen the airplane and met the pilot. I spent the night in Stella
>Maris when delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B to San Juan. It has A/C, but
>was
>inoperative that day. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: STELLA MARIS RESORT |
It must have been, I just found this entry.
THanks Guys for the help.
Bert
From: YOURTCFG@aol....
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDERS OF THE CARIBEAN
HI KIDS.
Just got back from delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B (S/N1) from San
Juan to John Towner in KC. I stopped at Stella Maris resort for fuel and go
weathered in. Yep, weathered in the the Bahamas!! (Try telling you wife
that!!). Anyway, had a great night there and saw N175AC, another 500B (with
A/C)
operated by the resort. It is in really nice shape.
Then to Opa Locka to clear customs. Then to Boca Raton to deliver
Jimmies life raft for re certification and on to KC.
Had a GREAT trip. The air conditioning and auto pilot worked great!
Good to be home. Triple two is do for her annual this month, 90C
inspection,
new oil cells.
All the registration forms for the fly-in are in the mail. If you want
to attend and dont receive one in the next few days, let me know. It will
be
a great time. It is always a blast!! Richard and Jackie Thompson from
Australia will be riding up with Sue and I.
The long promised vendor list is now complete and will be sent to TCFG
Members. Sue has worked hard on this and it includes some great
information.
We used John Towners list as a foundation and build from there using input
members. We will update it at least once each year so if you have a good
(or
bad) experience, let me know.
Hope all is well in your "Commanderland" jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: STELLA MARIS RESORT |
Neat piece of sleuthing Bert. Well done!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: STELLA MARIS RESORT
It must have been, I just found this entry.
THanks Guys for the help.
Bert
From: YOURTCFG@aol....
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDERS OF THE CARIBEAN
HI KIDS.
Just got back from delivering Jimmy Rodriguez 500B (S/N1)
from San
Juan to John Towner in KC. I stopped at Stella Maris resort for fuel
and go
weathered in. Yep, weathered in the the Bahamas!! (Try telling you
wife
that!!). Anyway, had a great night there and saw N175AC, another
500B (with A/C)
operated by the resort. It is in really nice shape.
Then to Opa Locka to clear customs. Then to Boca Raton to
deliver
Jimmies life raft for re certification and on to KC.
Had a GREAT trip. The air conditioning and auto pilot worked
great!
Good to be home. Triple two is do for her annual this month, 90C
inspection,
new oil cells.
All the registration forms for the fly-in are in the mail. If
you want
to attend and dont receive one in the next few days, let me know. It
will be
a great time. It is always a blast!! Richard and Jackie Thompson
from
Australia will be riding up with Sue and I.
The long promised vendor list is now complete and will be sent to
TCFG
Members. Sue has worked hard on this and it includes some great
information.
We used John Towners list as a foundation and build from there using
input
members. We will update it at least once each year so if you have a
good (or
bad) experience, let me know.
Hope all is well in your "Commanderland" jb
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Matt,
It seems that one of our more important Commander gurus can read messages on the
list, but cannot post any.
His name is John Towner. He owns a company called Central Air and they operate
about 35 Aero Commanders, so his input is valuable to all the guys!
His email address is:
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
If you can pinpoint the problem, there will be a lot of grateful "listers".
Thanks Matt!
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: List Enclosure Support
|
| Dear Listers,
|
| Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the
Matronics Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity,
capability, and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email
these days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and
handling of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on
the various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go
through.
|
| Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a
few Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists
relating to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have
policed themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
|
| Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair
amount of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the
formats are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a
generic plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time
and are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
|
| So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited
enclosure posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only
increase the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to
filter out the chaff.
|
| Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
|
| 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
| Lists.
|
| 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
| the Lists.
|
| 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
|
| 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
|
| 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
|
| 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
|
| jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
|
| All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
| sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
| a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
|
| 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
| to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
| the process of posting the message !!
|
|
| Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
|
| 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
| you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
| are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
| 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
| folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
|
| 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
| pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
| unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
| down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
| file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
|
| Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
| you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
| scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
| http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
| Look for the link "Image Resizer"
|
| 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
| post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
| And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
| questionable. !!
|
| 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
| subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
| to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
|
| I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please
police yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures
using the guidelines I've outlined above.
|
| Best regards,
|
| Matt Dralle
| Matronics Email List Administrator
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Are there any Idaho Attorneys on the list? If so, please contact me off
list. steveg(at)nternet.com
Steve Gilson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Sounds ominous.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Idaho
Are there any Idaho Attorneys on the list? If so, please contact me off
list. steveg(at)nternet.com
Steve Gilson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Any time the word attorney is mentioned it usually ends up being costly.
JT
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Idaho
Sounds ominous.
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:36 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Idaho
Are there any Idaho Attorneys on the list? If so, please contact me
off list. steveg(at)nternet.com
Steve Gilson
www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Comm
ander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Please help! |
John Towner has an airline to run. I wouldn't say he is a guru. He most likely
knows these machines better than any of you ever hope and or dreamed of. I
flew for John for a while, he is a stand up guy, and far, far, more competant
than any commander guru will ever come remotely close to comparing to.
If you had to ask who JT is you most likely missed the boat...and are standing
on dry land.
God Speed JT if your listening...
BAM - N224HA
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>
> Hello Matt,
>
> It seems that one of our more important Commander gurus can read messages on
the
> list, but cannot post any.
>
> His name is John Towner. He owns a company called Central Air and they operate
> about 35 Aero Commanders, so his input is valuable to all the guys!
>
> His email address is:
>
> johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
>
> If you can pinpoint the problem, there will be a lot of grateful "listers".
>
> Thanks Matt!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Dralle"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:52 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: List Enclosure Support
>
>
> |
> | Dear Listers,
> |
> | Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the
> Matronics Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity,
> capability, and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email
> these days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and
> handling of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on
> the various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go
> through.
> |
> | Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for
a
> few Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
> my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists
> relating to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have
> policed themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
> |
> | Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair
> amount of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the
> formats are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and
a
> generic plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time
> and are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
> to the Lists.
> |
> | So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited
> enclosure posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only
> increase the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to
> filter out the chaff.
> |
> | Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
> |
> | 1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
> | Lists.
> |
> | 2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
> | the Lists.
> |
> | 3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
> |
> | 4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
> |
> | 5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
> |
> | 6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
> |
> | jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
> |
> | All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
> | sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
> | a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
> |
> | 7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
> | to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
> | the process of posting the message !!
> |
> |
> | Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
> could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
> |
> | 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
> | you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
> | are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
> | 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
> | folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
> |
> | 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
> | pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
> | unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
> | down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
> | file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
> |
> | Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
> | you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
> | scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
> | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
> | Look for the link "Image Resizer"
> |
> | 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
> | post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
> | And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
> | questionable. !!
> |
> | 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
> | subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
> | to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
> |
> | I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please
> police yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures
> using the guidelines I've outlined above.
> |
> | Best regards,
> |
> | Matt Dralle
> | Matronics Email List Administrator
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
>
>
>
>
>
John Towner has an airline to run. I wouldn't say he is a guru.
He most likely knows these machines better than any of you ever hope and or dreamed
of. I flew for John for a while, he is a stand up guy,
and far, far, more competant than any commander guru will ever come remotely
close to comparing to.
If you had to ask who JT is you most likely missed the boat...and are
standing on dry land.
God Speed JT if your listening...
BAM - N224HA
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> --> Commander-List
message posted by: "Barry Collman"
> <BARRY.COLLMAN@AIR-BRITAIN.CO.UK>
>
> Hello Matt,
>
> It seems that one of our more
important Commander gurus can read messages on the
> list, but cannot post
any.
>
> His name is John Towner. He owns a company called Central
Air and they operate
> about 35 Aero Commanders, so his input is
valuable to all the guys!
>
> His email address is:
>
>
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com
>
> If you can pinpoint
the problem, there will be a lot of grateful "listers".
>
> Thanks
Matt!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry Collman
>
>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Ma
tt Dra
lle"
> To:
>
Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:52 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: List
Enclosure Support
>
>
> | --> Commander-List message posted
by: Matt Dralle
> |
> | Dear Listers,
> |
> | Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure
support on the
> Matronics Lists for a number of reasons relating
to performance, capacity,
> capability, and security. However, its now
2006 and most everyone using email
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| Subject: | Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR |
| From: | cloudcraft(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
To: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Cole, Sir Barry, all,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm at FlightSafety this week, recurrent on the F
alcon and haven't had much time for email.
I see that the world keeps spinning without me and there's lots of excellen
t info going your way, Cole.
If I may editorialize: N47RR was North Las Vegas based and when I did a qui
ck survey for Tylor Hall, I was mighy impressed with it. If I had the money
and lost all common sense, I would have bought it then and there.
Now to get myself sued for libel: The aircraft did have a maintenence induc
ed gear collapse and did have a prop strike.
When I asked the owner of the facility if he was going to tear down the eng
ine, his response was, "The prop only dug into the pavement one half inch."
Ok ... that's a criteria that I was not aware of.
Also, please note that the prop strike came to my attention when I drove by
the spot next to the mx hangar where N47RR was parked I had to stop and loo
k because it appeared that a Q-Tip prop was installed on the right but not o
n the left.
After peering through the fence, I realized it was not a Q tip but bent bla
des from ground contact.
Also, there was damage to the belly and an antenna (ADF, I think) was crush
ed. That was repaired, but for non-pressurized ferry, if I remember correclt
y.
One item that was (yet another) red flag was how proud this fellow was of h
is paint touch up on the upper aft fuselage ... just aft of the leaking Skyd
rol reservoir that was still leaking. Why paint a section of aircraft that i
s getting sprayed with paint stripper -- without fixing the Skydrol leak? I'
m still interested in that answer.
This was 3+ years ago, Gentlemen, and the airplane has traveled, been worke
d on and who knows what has been / and needs to be done.
Truly a project airplane, it did have a good history before coming out of s
emi storage and seemed to be an outstanding specimen of a MR RPM-FLP.
I'm getting called back into the box, so must sign off for now.
Good luck!
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: Texan(at)austin.rr.com; bertberry1(at)aol.com; CloudCraft(at)aol.com; tylor.hall
(at)sbcglobal.net; nico(at)cybersuperstore.com; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca; moe@
rosspistons.com
Cc: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Hello Cole, I'm not going to be able to help you much, but at this stag
e I think 'Wing Commander' Gordon (Keith Gordon / CloudCraft), Tom Fisher an
d Tylor Hall will be able to provide some help for you. I have also taken th
e liberty of forwarding your Email to Jim Metzger (a/k/a Capt JimBob) who is
the Director of the Flight Group. He has all the necessary approvals to do
a pre-buy for you and is based in Washougal,WA. I am a mere historian, my
database comprising 89,900 records covering the 3,170 Twin Commanders built.
I have attached an .xls file showing the history of N47RR (680FLP-1477-5) f
or your perusal. However, I knew nothing about the prop strike. I have not
ed a repair undertaken to the lower right fuselage and belly on August 4th 2
004. If you have a date & location for the prop strike, the two may well tie
-in together. On the face of it, the repair could have been because of a gea
r collapse, which could have resulted in the prop strike. If you have any fu
rther info, I can enhance the database accordingly. A search on the NTSB "Ac
cident Database & Synopses" and on the FAA NASDAC "Accident/Incident Data Sy
stem" databases failed to find anything. Very Best Regards, Barry ----
- Original Message ----- From: Cole Reed To: bertberry1(at)aol.com ; CloudCra
ft(at)aol.com ; barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk ; tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net ; ni
co(at)cybersuperstore.com ; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca ; moe(at)rosspistons.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:48 AM Subject: Twin Commander N47RR
Gentlemen, I=99ve been monitoring your discussion of AC680FL-P N4
7RR Your forums have been remarkably educational on the topic of Commander
s in general as well as this specific bird. As with one of your members, I
am interested in possibly bidding for N47RR. Based on the write-up, it soun
ds too good to be true. I spoke with the owner a few days ago, I believe h
e identified himself as Ralph71yrs old, heart attack 5 yrs ago, can
cer/chemo 2 yrs agoselling the plane because he lost his medical an
d cant afford to have it sitting around waiting on him to get his wings back
. That=99s either a very sad twist of fate.or a cunning sales
ploy. I hate to be cynical, but I have to be conscious of the potential.
I=99ve often been accused of researching a project to death, but I
=99m fond of thinking that to be better than death resulting from the LAC
K of research. I=99m concerned that the seller has taken some effort
to conceal the tail number in his auction. I=99m concerned that th
e owner and mechanic seem to think that the prop-strike doesn=99t warr
ant a tear-down.I had always thought any strike (prop in motion) me
ans tear-down. I am concerned that the engines may have been sitting so l
ong that it will need an overhaul even though they only have 100 hours each.
Trade a plane has a beautiful 685p listed, but I=99m scared of gear
ed engines, and I=99m not quite ready to step up to a turbine 690 or h
igher. I have no real-world experience with the Twin Commander family
..but aside from nasty wing-spar flaws scatter throughout the various
modelseverywhere I turn I hear that they are basically the ultimate
flying machine. To complicate my decision-making even morethe 68
0FL-P-Mr.RPM seems to be a very rare bird and as such is very difficult to g
et a read on comparable market value. I don=99t want to rush into a
bad-deal, but I also don=99t want to second-guess myself out of a good
deal. I seek your opinions. I completely understand that they are merely
personal opinions and that none of you have intimate familiarity with N47RR.
I will not base any decision based solely upon your feedbackblah
blahblah Essentially I=99m just looking f
or advice, insight, warnings, etc that may help me sleep better with my deci
sion. Am I worried about the right things? Are there critical issues I hav
et value of a plane COMPARABLE to N47RR. I=99m eager to learn more
..teach me wise-one=99s. Thank you for your time, Cole Re
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/7/2006 5:38:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
steveg(at)nternet.com writes:
Are there any Idaho Attorneys on the list? If so, please contact me off
list.
Steve, i was born and raised in Idaho and still have some business contacts
there. I am not an attorney, but might be able to help you find one. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR |
For your information, the is a AD that covers the prop strike, It has
been completed.
There are no skydrol leaks in this aircraft,
The repairs to the belly damage war repaired to the latest SRM / 43.13
requirements, using all available factory parts
We Purchase a set of used props, these were not the prop that hit the
asphalt, 6-New Blades
R-12 AC system that works
Cleveland's
Winglet's
Flap Gap Seals
New Ant. that were damaged.
Pressure system fully operational 3.2 system
Both Vacuum Pumps New
All new Mags
New Tires
Fuel injection rebuilt on right side
all New 124 hoses with viton hose inserts
Fresh IFR Inspection
Fresh Annual inspection
Just Weighted.
We want you to come and look at aircraft
this is the nicest MR. RPM in the world
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:25 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR
-----Original Message-----
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
To: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Cole, Sir Barry, all,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm at FlightSafety this week, recurrent on
the Falcon and haven't had much time for email.
I see that the world keeps spinning without me and there's lots of
excellent info going your way, Cole.
If I may editorialize: N47RR was North Las Vegas based and when I did
a quick survey for Tylor Hall, I was mighy impressed with it. If I had
the money and lost all common sense, I would have bought it then and
there.
Now to get myself sued for libel: The aircraft did have a maintenence
induced gear collapse and did have a prop strike.
When I asked the owner of the facility if he was going to tear down
the engine, his response was, "The prop only dug into the pavement one
half inch." Ok ... that's a criteria that I was not aware of.
Also, please note that the prop strike came to my attention when I
drove by the spot next to the mx hangar where N47RR was parked I had to
stop and look because it appeared that a Q-Tip prop was installed on the
right but not on the left.
After peering through the fence, I realized it was not a Q tip but
bent blades from ground contact.
Also, there was damage to the belly and an antenna (ADF, I think) was
crushed. That was repaired, but for non-pressurized ferry, if I
remember correclty.
One item that was (yet another) red flag was how proud this fellow was
of his paint touch up on the upper aft fuselage ... just aft of the
leaking Skydrol reservoir that was still leaking. Why paint a section
of aircraft that is getting sprayed with paint stripper -- without
fixing the Skydrol leak? I'm still interested in that answer.
This was 3+ years ago, Gentlemen, and the airplane has traveled, been
worked on and who knows what has been / and needs to be done.
Truly a project airplane, it did have a good history before coming out
of semi storage and seemed to be an outstanding specimen of a MR
RPM-FLP.
I'm getting called back into the box, so must sign off for now.
Good luck!
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: Texan(at)austin.rr.com; bertberry1(at)aol.com; CloudCraft(at)aol.com;
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net; nico(at)cybersuperstore.com;
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca; moe(at)rosspistons.com
Cc: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Hello Cole,
I'm not going to be able to help you much, but at this stage I think
'Wing Commander' Gordon (Keith Gordon / CloudCraft), Tom Fisher and
Tylor Hall will be able to provide some help for you. I have also taken
the liberty of forwarding your Email to Jim Metzger (a/k/a Capt JimBob)
who is the Director of the Flight Group. He has all the necessary
approvals to do a pre-buy for you and is based in Washougal,WA.
I am a mere historian, my database comprising 89,900 records covering
the 3,170 Twin Commanders built. I have attached an .xls file showing
the history of N47RR (680FLP-1477-5) for your perusal.
However, I knew nothing about the prop strike. I have noted a repair
undertaken to the lower right fuselage and belly on August 4th 2004. If
you have a date & location for the prop strike, the two may well tie-in
together. On the face of it, the repair could have been because of a
gear collapse, which could have resulted in the prop strike. If you have
any further info, I can enhance the database accordingly. A search on
the NTSB "Accident Database & Synopses" and on the FAA NASDAC
"Accident/Incident Data System" databases failed to find anything.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Cole Reed
To: bertberry1(at)aol.com ; CloudCraft(at)aol.com ;
barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk ; tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net ;
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com ; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca ;
moe(at)rosspistons.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Twin Commander N47RR
Gentlemen,
I=99ve been monitoring your discussion of AC680FL-P N47RR
Your forums have been remarkably educational on the topic of
Commanders in general as well as this specific bird.
As with one of your members, I am interested in possibly bidding for
N47RR. Based on the write-up, it sounds too good to be true.
I spoke with the owner a few days ago, I believe he identified
himself as Ralph71yrs old, heart attack 5 yrs ago, cancer/chemo
2 yrs agoselling the plane because he lost his medical and cant
afford to have it sitting around waiting on him to get his wings back.
That=99s either a very sad twist of fate.or a cunning
sales ploy. I hate to be cynical, but I have to be conscious of the
potential.
I=99ve often been accused of researching a project to death,
but I=99m fond of thinking that to be better than death resulting
from the LACK of research.
I=99m concerned that the seller has taken some effort to
conceal the tail number in his auction.
I=99m concerned that the owner and mechanic seem to think that
the prop-strike doesn=99t warrant a tear-down.I had
always thought any strike (prop in motion) means tear-down.
I am concerned that the engines may have been sitting so long that
it will need an overhaul even though they only have 100 hours each.
Trade a plane has a beautiful 685p listed, but I=99m scared of
geared engines, and I=99m not quite ready to step up to a turbine
690 or higher.
I have no real-world experience with the Twin Commander
family..but aside from nasty wing-spar flaws scatter throughout
the various modelseverywhere I turn I hear that they are
basically the ultimate flying machine.
To complicate my decision-making even morethe
680FL-P-Mr.RPM seems to be a very rare bird and as such is very
difficult to get a read on comparable market value.
I don=99t want to rush into a bad-deal, but I also
don=99t want to second-guess myself out of a good deal.
I seek your opinions. I completely understand that they are merely
personal opinions and that none of you have intimate familiarity with
N47RR. I will not base any decision based solely upon your
feedbackblahblahblah
Essentially I=99m just looking for advice, insight, warnings,
etc that may help me sleep better with my decision.
Am I worried about the right things? Are there critical issues I
haven=99t mentioned but should be cautious of? What is the
ESTIMATED market value of a plane COMPARABLE to N47RR.
I=99m eager to learn more..teach me
wise-one=99s.
Thank you for your time,
Cole Reed
Austin Texas
Twin Commander Wanna-be
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution |
Yet! :-)
Matt,
Could you also double check your records for me, I made a
contribution via PayPal, I don't have the details immediately to hand.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
(William J Hamilton @ PayPal)
At 01:36 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote:
>
>
>Good Morning Matt,
>
>Well, there is either something wrong with your new
>program or I made some mistake when I sent my
>contribution!
>
>Could you let me know whether or not you did receive
>the contribution I made?
>
>I recieved a confirmation of my creit card
>contribution on 11/06/06 at 06:34:34 AM.
>
>The contribution serial number is listed as:
> 11-06-06.6:14:34.23053.
>
>Happy Skies,
>
>Old Bob
>AKA
>Robert W. Siegfried
>
>--- Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > If you received this particular Matronics List Email
> > message, its because you haven't yet made a
> > Contribution to support your Lists! This is the
> > first PBS-like funds drive message under the new
> > distribution system. The new system selectively
> > sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those
> > that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this
> > year to support the continued operation and upgrade
> > of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS
> > worked that way? :-)
> >
> > You heard that right. Once you make your
> > Contribution, these support requests messages during
> > November will suddenly stop coming to your personal
> > email inbox! Pardon me if I seem kind of excited
> > about the new feature. I've wanted to implement
> > something like this for a number of years now, but
> > it was always such a daunting task to modify the
> > back-end List processing code, that I just kept
> > putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided
> > to bite the bullet and put the code-pounding time it
> > to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
> > system!
> >
> > Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do
> > appreciate each and every one of your individual
> > Contributions to support the Lists. It is your
> > support that enables me to upgrade the hardware and
> > software that are required to run a List Site like
> > this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade
> > Internet connection and to pay the rather huge
> > electric bill to keep the computer gear running and
> > the air conditioner powered up.
> >
> > Your personal Contribution matters because when
> > combined with other Listers such as yourself, it
> > pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I
> > accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the
> > Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads
> > and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on
> > the Internet these days and I particularly don't
> > want to have it on my Email List site. I'm pretty
> > sure you don't either.
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR |
WCG, All-
One of the aspects about this list that I like the most is that folks are
willing to share information- good AND bad.
It's also great that the owner of an airplane can provide real time current
information on the status of his bird also.
It is horribly unfortunate how little honesty and candor there is in a
sizable portion of the used airplane market. If you buy enough airplanes,
eventually you'll be bitten by it. The candid and factual interaction of
the folks on this list is a benefit to all of us in the market who make the
effort to do the right thing- and to be honest about our transactions.
In some regards I wish i'd been a member before our last airplane purchase-
but then again maybe not.
Rob
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR
-----Original Message-----
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Cole, Sir Barry, all,
Sorry for the late reply. I'm at FlightSafety this week, recurrent on the
Falcon and haven't had much time for email.
I see that the world keeps spinning without me and there's lots of excellent
info going your way, Cole.
If I may editorialize: N47RR was North Las Vegas based and when I did a
quick survey for Tylor Hall, I was mighy impressed with it. If I had the
money and lost all common sense, I would have bought it then and there.
Now to get myself sued for libel: The aircraft did have a maintenence
induced gear collapse and did have a prop strike.
When I asked the owner of the facility if he was going to tear down the
engine, his response was, "The prop only dug into the pavement one half
inch." Ok ... that's a criteria that I was not aware of.
Also, please note that the prop strike came to my attention when I drove by
the spot next to the mx hangar where N47RR was parked I had to stop and look
because it appeared that a Q-Tip prop was installed on the right but not on
the left.
After peering through the fence, I realized it was not a Q tip but bent
blades from ground contact.
Also, there was damage to the belly and an antenna (ADF, I think) was
crushed. That was repaired, but for non-pressurized ferry, if I remember
correclty.
One item that was (yet another) red flag was how proud this fellow was of
his paint touch up on the upper aft fuselage ... just aft of the leaking
Skydrol reservoir that was still leaking. Why paint a section of aircraft
that is getting sprayed with paint stripper -- without fixing the Skydrol
leak? I'm still interested in that answer.
This was 3+ years ago, Gentlemen, and the airplane has traveled, been worked
on and who knows what has been / and needs to be done.
Truly a project airplane, it did have a good history before coming out of
semi storage and seemed to be an outstanding specimen of a MR RPM-FLP.
I'm getting called back into the box, so must sign off for now.
Good luck!
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net; nico(at)cybersuperstore.com;
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca; moe(at)rosspistons.com
Cc: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
Hello Cole,
I'm not going to be able to help you much, but at this stage I think 'Wing
Commander' Gordon (Keith Gordon / CloudCraft), Tom Fisher and Tylor Hall
will be able to provide some help for you. I have also taken the liberty of
forwarding your Email to Jim Metzger (a/k/a Capt JimBob) who is the Director
of the Flight Group. He has all the necessary approvals to do a pre-buy for
you and is based in Washougal,WA.
I am a mere historian, my database comprising 89,900 records covering the
3,170 Twin Commanders built. I have attached an .xls file showing the
history of N47RR (680FLP-1477-5) for your perusal.
However, I knew nothing about the prop strike. I have noted a repair
undertaken to the lower right fuselage and belly on August 4th 2004. If you
have a date & location for the prop strike, the two may well tie-in
together. On the face of it, the repair could have been because of a gear
collapse, which could have resulted in the prop strike. If you have any
further info, I can enhance the database accordingly. A search on the NTSB
"Accident Database & Synopses" and on the FAA NASDAC "Accident/Incident Data
System" databases failed to find anything.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Cole Reed
barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk ; tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net ;
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com ; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca ;
moe(at)rosspistons.com
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:48 AM
Subject: Twin Commander N47RR
Gentlemen,
I've been monitoring your discussion of AC680FL-P N47RR
Your forums have been remarkably educational on the topic of Commanders in
general as well as this specific bird.
As with one of your members, I am interested in possibly bidding for N47RR.
Based on the write-up, it sounds too good to be true.
I spoke with the owner a few days ago, I believe he identified himself as
Ralph.71yrs old, heart attack 5 yrs ago, cancer/chemo 2 yrs ago.selling the
plane because he lost his medical and cant afford to have it sitting around
waiting on him to get his wings back. That's either a very sad twist of
fate..or a cunning sales ploy. I hate to be cynical, but I have to be
conscious of the potential.
I've often been accused of researching a project to death, but I'm fond of
thinking that to be better than death resulting from the LACK of research.
I'm concerned that the seller has taken some effort to conceal the tail
number in his auction.
I'm concerned that the owner and mechanic seem to think that the prop-strike
doesn't warrant a tear-down..I had always thought any strike (prop in
motion) means tear-down.
I am concerned that the engines may have been sitting so long that it will
need an overhaul even though they only have 100 hours each.
Trade a plane has a beautiful 685p listed, but I'm scared of geared engines,
and I'm not quite ready to step up to a turbine 690 or higher.
I have no real-world experience with the Twin Commander family...but aside
from nasty wing-spar flaws scatter throughout the various models.everywhere
I turn I hear that they are basically the ultimate flying machine.
To complicate my decision-making even more.the 680FL-P-Mr.RPM seems to be a
very rare bird and as such is very difficult to get a read on comparable
market value.
I don't want to rush into a bad-deal, but I also don't want to second-guess
myself out of a good deal.
I seek your opinions. I completely understand that they are merely
personal opinions and that none of you have intimate familiarity with N47RR.
I will not base any decision based solely upon your feedback.blah.blah.blah.
Essentially I'm just looking for advice, insight, warnings, etc that may
help me sleep better with my decision.
Am I worried about the right things? Are there critical issues I haven't
a plane COMPARABLE to N47RR.
I'm eager to learn more...teach me wise-one's.
Thank you for your time,
Cole Reed
Austin Texas
Twin Commander Wanna-be
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR |
all, the prop strike is correct. it was the prop off of the plane i
subsquently bot 2001M. if you want to know the story call me at
817-517-4977. mason
>From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR
>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 06:15:10 -0800
>
>WCG, All-
>
>One of the aspects about this list that I like the most is that folks are
>willing to share information- good AND bad.
>
>It's also great that the owner of an airplane can provide real time current
>information on the status of his bird also.
>
>It is horribly unfortunate how little honesty and candor there is in a
>sizable portion of the used airplane market. If you buy enough airplanes,
>eventually you'll be bitten by it. The candid and factual interaction of
>the folks on this list is a benefit to all of us in the market who make the
>effort to do the right thing- and to be honest about our transactions.
>
>In some regards I wish i'd been a member before our last airplane purchase-
>but then again maybe not.
>
>Rob
>
>
> _____
>
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>cloudcraft(at)aol.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:26 AM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Twin Commander N47RR
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
>To: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
>Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:38 AM
>Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
>
>
>Cole, Sir Barry, all,
>
>Sorry for the late reply. I'm at FlightSafety this week, recurrent on the
>Falcon and haven't had much time for email.
>
>I see that the world keeps spinning without me and there's lots of
>excellent
>info going your way, Cole.
>
>If I may editorialize: N47RR was North Las Vegas based and when I did a
>quick survey for Tylor Hall, I was mighy impressed with it. If I had the
>money and lost all common sense, I would have bought it then and there.
>
>Now to get myself sued for libel: The aircraft did have a maintenence
>induced gear collapse and did have a prop strike.
>
>When I asked the owner of the facility if he was going to tear down the
>engine, his response was, "The prop only dug into the pavement one half
>inch." Ok ... that's a criteria that I was not aware of.
>
>Also, please note that the prop strike came to my attention when I drove by
>the spot next to the mx hangar where N47RR was parked I had to stop and
>look
>because it appeared that a Q-Tip prop was installed on the right but not on
>the left.
>
>After peering through the fence, I realized it was not a Q tip but bent
>blades from ground contact.
>
>Also, there was damage to the belly and an antenna (ADF, I think) was
>crushed. That was repaired, but for non-pressurized ferry, if I remember
>correclty.
>
>One item that was (yet another) red flag was how proud this fellow was of
>his paint touch up on the upper aft fuselage ... just aft of the leaking
>Skydrol reservoir that was still leaking. Why paint a section of aircraft
>that is getting sprayed with paint stripper -- without fixing the Skydrol
>leak? I'm still interested in that answer.
>
>This was 3+ years ago, Gentlemen, and the airplane has traveled, been
>worked
>on and who knows what has been / and needs to be done.
>
>Truly a project airplane, it did have a good history before coming out of
>semi storage and seemed to be an outstanding specimen of a MR RPM-FLP.
>
>I'm getting called back into the box, so must sign off for now.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
>To: Texan(at)austin.rr.com; bertberry1(at)aol.com; CloudCraft(at)aol.com;
>tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net; nico(at)cybersuperstore.com;
>tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca; moe(at)rosspistons.com
>Cc: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
>Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 6:35 AM
>Subject: Re: Twin Commander N47RR
>
>
>Hello Cole,
>
>I'm not going to be able to help you much, but at this stage I think 'Wing
>Commander' Gordon (Keith Gordon / CloudCraft), Tom Fisher and Tylor Hall
>will be able to provide some help for you. I have also taken the liberty of
>forwarding your Email to Jim Metzger (a/k/a Capt JimBob) who is the
>Director
>of the Flight Group. He has all the necessary approvals to do a pre-buy for
>you and is based in Washougal,WA.
>
>I am a mere historian, my database comprising 89,900 records covering the
>3,170 Twin Commanders built. I have attached an .xls file showing the
>history of N47RR (680FLP-1477-5) for your perusal.
>
>However, I knew nothing about the prop strike. I have noted a repair
>undertaken to the lower right fuselage and belly on August 4th 2004. If you
>have a date & location for the prop strike, the two may well tie-in
>together. On the face of it, the repair could have been because of a gear
>collapse, which could have resulted in the prop strike. If you have any
>further info, I can enhance the database accordingly. A search on the NTSB
>"Accident Database & Synopses" and on the FAA NASDAC "Accident/Incident
>Data
>System" databases failed to find anything.
>
>Very Best Regards,
>Barry
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cole Reed
>To: bertberry1(at)aol.com ; CloudCraft(at)aol.com ;
>barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk ; tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net ;
>nico(at)cybersuperstore.com ; tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca ;
>moe(at)rosspistons.com
>Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:48 AM
>Subject: Twin Commander N47RR
>
>Gentlemen,
>
>I've been monitoring your discussion of AC680FL-P N47RR
>
>Your forums have been remarkably educational on the topic of Commanders in
>general as well as this specific bird.
>
>As with one of your members, I am interested in possibly bidding for N47RR.
>Based on the write-up, it sounds too good to be true.
>
>I spoke with the owner a few days ago, I believe he identified himself as
>Ralph.71yrs old, heart attack 5 yrs ago, cancer/chemo 2 yrs ago.selling the
>plane because he lost his medical and cant afford to have it sitting around
>waiting on him to get his wings back. That's either a very sad twist of
>fate..or a cunning sales ploy. I hate to be cynical, but I have to be
>conscious of the potential.
>
>I've often been accused of researching a project to death, but I'm fond of
>thinking that to be better than death resulting from the LACK of research.
>
>I'm concerned that the seller has taken some effort to conceal the tail
>number in his auction.
>
>I'm concerned that the owner and mechanic seem to think that the
>prop-strike
>doesn't warrant a tear-down..I had always thought any strike (prop in
>motion) means tear-down.
>
>I am concerned that the engines may have been sitting so long that it will
>need an overhaul even though they only have 100 hours each.
>
>Trade a plane has a beautiful 685p listed, but I'm scared of geared
>engines,
>and I'm not quite ready to step up to a turbine 690 or higher.
>
>I have no real-world experience with the Twin Commander family...but aside
>from nasty wing-spar flaws scatter throughout the various models.everywhere
>I turn I hear that they are basically the ultimate flying machine.
>
>To complicate my decision-making even more.the 680FL-P-Mr.RPM seems to be a
>very rare bird and as such is very difficult to get a read on comparable
>market value.
>
>I don't want to rush into a bad-deal, but I also don't want to second-guess
>myself out of a good deal.
>
>I seek your opinions. I completely understand that they are merely
>personal opinions and that none of you have intimate familiarity with
>N47RR.
>I will not base any decision based solely upon your
>feedback.blah.blah.blah.
>
>Essentially I'm just looking for advice, insight, warnings, etc that may
>help me sleep better with my decision.
>
>Am I worried about the right things? Are there critical issues I haven't
>of
>a plane COMPARABLE to N47RR.
>
>I'm eager to learn more...teach me wise-one's.
>
>Thank you for your time,
>
>Cole Reed
>Austin Texas
>Twin Commander Wanna-be
>
> _____
>
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| From: | "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale |
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
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Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington
and got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being
replaced is $980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Someone needed one a few years back and I recall it being about $700. I
would find another welder.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am in
need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington and got
an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being replaced is
$980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear retreads I
have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored and have never
seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins Aircraft Tire Co. and are
tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00 for the pair. My wheels are
not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with a matching set of McCreary's
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Take a picture of what you have and send it to SNH in SAT
1-210-655-7765. They have saved me a ton of money and they yellow tag
it.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington
and got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being
replaced is $980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Get out your wallet.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington
and got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being
replaced is $980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
second jims comment they have helped me also . mason
>From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: door hinge
>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:25:28 -0600
>
>Take a picture of what you have and send it to SNH in SAT 1-210-655-7765.
>They have saved me a ton of money and they yellow tag it.
>
>Jim Addington
>500A
>N444BD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:59 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
>
>
> Help! Help! Help!
>
>
> The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
>in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington and
>got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being replaced is
>$980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
>
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>Moshluk
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
> To: Commander Chat
> Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
>
>
> Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
>retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored and
>have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins Aircraft Tire
>Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00 for the pair. My
>wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with a matching set of
>McCreary's
>
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>
>
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
I haven't been getting any email, is there a problem, or is everyone just
busy?
Bert
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 11/14/06 |
Oddly enough I had some repair work done on my 500B lower door hinge, just this
week. When I picked it up it was $20.00. I ask the machinist what it would
cost to make the complete hinge. He said out of 4130 aircraft stock probably
$60.00 I said was he sure he could do it for $100. he said how many do you
want.
dan farmer
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1. 06:00 PM - door hinge ()
2. 06:11 PM - Re: door hinge (Bill Bow)
3. 06:31 PM - Re: door hinge (Jim Addington)
4. 07:15 PM - Re: door hinge (Tom Fisher)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From:
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington
and got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being
replaced is $980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: "Bill Bow"
Subject: RE: Commander-List: door hinge
Someone needed one a few years back and I recall it being about $700. I
would find another welder.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am in
need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington and got
an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being replaced is
$980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear retreads I
have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored and have never
seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins Aircraft Tire Co. and are
tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00 for the pair. My wheels are
not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with a matching set of McCreary's
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: "Jim Addington"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: door hinge
Take a picture of what you have and send it to SNH in SAT
1-210-655-7765. They have saved me a ton of money and they yellow tag
it.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington
and got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being
replaced is $980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
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Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser.
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: door hinge
Get out your wallet.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: door hinge
Help! Help! Help!
The upper door hinge on my 1970 500S broke at a previous weld and I am
in need of a replacement. We have one coming overnight from Washington
and got an e-mail invoice that the piece that broke and is being
replaced is $980.00. Has anyone had experience with this?
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: tires - 8.50 x 10 for sale
Sorry I did not correctly describe the pair of 8.50 x 10 Goodyear
retreads I have for sale. They are 10 ply. - have been properly stored
and have never seen the pavement. They were retreaded by Hawkins
Aircraft Tire Co. and are tubeless. I'm asking $120.00 ea. or $220.00
for the pair. My wheels are not the tubeless type - I've reskinned with
a matching set of McCreary's
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
same here Bert, hey want to be a moderator on twincommanderflyer.com forums ?
That goes for everyone on the list...I will never ask for $ and it's your site
dedicated toward these wonderful flying machines as a gift from myself.
Sincerely,
Brent Mueller - N224HA
-------------- Original message --------------
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
I haven't been getting any email, is there a problem, or is everyone just busy?
Bert
same here Bert, hey want to be a moderator on twincommanderflyer.com
forums ? That goes for everyone on the list...I will never ask for $ and
it's your site dedicated toward these wonderful flying machines as a gift from
myself.
Sincerely,
Brent Mueller - N224HA
I haven't been getting any email, is there a problem, or is everyone just
busy?
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 $B!|(B Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310)
536-0333
moe(at)rosspistons.com
Gents:
This afternoon I was cruising along in my 680F(p) at 17,999 feet and
happened to notice that my hydraulic pressure on the main gage was down to
about 2,000 PSI and the needle was very $B!H(Bshaky$B!I(B. After descending to
about 6,500 the pressure held steady at 3,100 PSI, which is where the
pressure should be. The pressurization was on at both altitudes. After
landing either engine would keep the pressure at 3,000 PSI with the other
engine off (air conditioner off), and there are no leaks. The auxiliary
gage stays at 1,000 PSI in all instances. This is the Skydrol system that
has a big New York Air Brake Company on both engines.
Any suggestions?
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
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| From: | Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg> |
All,
A little off-topic, but here goes anyway. I've recently seen the following
metar remarks a few times, but can't find any sources that can tell me how
to decode it: "... RMK 6AC150 ...".
What does '6AC150' mean?
Here's the full metar:
SPECI YMML 210542Z 30021KT CAVOK 36/M06 Q1002 RMK 6AC150 FM0542 MOD TURB
BLW 5000FT
Regards,
- Steve
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I think that is 6 tenths or octas Alto Cumulus at 15000 ft.
bb
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve N
ez
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:42 AM
Subject: Commander-List: METAR Remarks
All,
A little off-topic, but here goes anyway. I've recently seen the following
metar remarks a few times, but can't find any sources that can tell me how
to decode it: "... RMK 6AC150 ...".
What does '6AC150' mean?
Here's the full metar:
SPECI YMML 210542Z 30021KT CAVOK 36/M06 Q1002 RMK 6AC150 FM0542 MOD TURB
BLW 5000FT
Regards,
- Steve
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
s.com, hookemjgr(at)mail.utexas.edu, rr32(at)swbell.net, ALLIESLAUGHTER(at)HOTMAIL.COM,
BURGUNDY(at)ALLTEL.NET, jontaggart(at)alltel.net, FVELEZ(at)EQUO.COM.MX, TRWE(at)FLIGHTSERVICES.CC,
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my birthday wish for mason's 60th birthday witch is 11/27 so mon. is for him
to receive a word of encouragement from all of you for the next year. hope
you all will participate. thank you all.
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| From: | "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Mason,
Have a great birthday!
Hope the next 60 are just as good if not better than the last 60!
Regards,
Bob Steele
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/26/06 |
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy birthday.
Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I fly a 680 and
love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying commanders until I am
shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Gil Walker
Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went in
June.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy
birthday. Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I
fly a 680 and love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying
commanders until I am shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY
BIRTHDAY Gil Walker Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
==
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| Subject: | Re: Happy birthday |
And from me! Mine was in March. Oldest critter on the chatlist no doubt
;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: css nico
To: Commander-List(at)Matronics.Com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went
in June.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs -
11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy
birthday. Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I
fly a 680 and love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying
commanders until I am shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY
BIRTHDAY Gil Walker Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.kitlog.comwww.homebuilthelp.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato
r?Commander-List
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| Subject: | Re: Happy birthday |
Woa there! Me, the oldest critter on the list?
NO - I was forgetting the Wing Commander ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy birthday
And from me! Mine was in March. Oldest critter on the chatlist no
doubt ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: css nico
To: Commander-List(at)Matronics.Com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went
in June.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs -
11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy
birthday. Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I
fly a 680 and love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying
commanders until I am shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY
BIRTHDAY Gil Walker Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.kitlog.comwww.homebuilthelp.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigato
r?Commander-List
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Birthday Wishes to Mason! |
Mason,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you have a great day today!
Best regards,
/John
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Happu birthday Mason |
Happy birthday Mason
You young fellows are all just kids. I'll be 70 next August.
Jim Addington
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Happu birthday Mason |
I'm coming into 57 years so I will outlive you all. You better put me
in your will to give your Commander to me so that it will be looked
after.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@imagen.ca
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Happu birthday Mason
Happy birthday Mason
You young fellows are all just kids. I'll be 70 next August.
Jim Addington
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Happy birthday |
In a message dated 27-Nov-06 09:18:46 Pacific Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Woa there! Me, the oldest critter on the list?
NO - I was forgetting the Wing Commander ;-)
Are you speaking of birth age or Commander flying age? I'm only 53 and a
half and only started flying Commanders in 1978 -- so I'm not the oldest critter
here in either respect. I'm just a broth of a lad ...
Mason, on the other hand, is ancient -- but looks terrific for his age. So
does his Mr. RPM 680-FLP.
Happy birthday, Mason!
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Happu birthday Mason |
I don't know, my great grandmother was 107, my grandmother was 103, my
great aunt was 102 when they died, so put me in your will.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happu birthday Mason
I'm coming into 57 years so I will outlive you all. You better put me
in your will to give your Commander to me so that it will be looked
after.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@imagen.ca
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:31 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Happu birthday Mason
Happy birthday Mason
You young fellows are all just kids. I'll be 70 next August.
Jim Addington
href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| From: | Budplaster(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Happy Birthday, Mason |
I have had 73 birthdays and love Commanders. I am new to this site and have
little to contribute since I have no mechanical aptitude. Mason, you and the
other contributors have made it much easier for me to be a Commander owner. I
own a 560E and a 685 and read everyone's input about these glorious machines.
Again, have a grand day.
Buddy A. Plaster
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Birthday Greetings!! |
G'day Mason,
The very best of birthday wishes coming at you from the Land Downunder.
Hope you have a great 27th or is it 60th!!
Cheers
Russell
(Still searching for a nice straight 500)
---- Original message ----
>Date: 26 Nov 2006 18:37:01 -0800
>From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
>
>
>To: fvelez(at)pavel.com.mx, barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk,
DBRUHL(at)earthlink.net, candice_chevaillier(at)hotmail.com,
Kathy_Carmean(at)lhh.com, chamcor(at)swbell.net, captaincreepy82(at)gmail.com,
UNFINISHED_84(at)YAHOO.COM, laurin.chevaillier(at)fwafa.org,
CLOUDCRAFT(at)AOL.COM, KATHYCOLE70810(at)AOL.COM, commander-
list(at)matronics.com, KEVINCOONS(at)CAVUCOMPANIES.NET, ccrist(at)cristind.com,
KAYDICKSON(at)CHARTER.NET, fbailey(at)baileygrain.com,
AFSC(at)ANGELFLIGHTSC.ORG, camkc81(at)sbcglobal.net, BWGAINES(at)AOL.COM,
ggarrett(at)naruna.com, richard(at)jagee.com,
BROOKE.D.HARLOW(at)JPMORGAN.COM, carol(at)haskinsinc.com,
TUCKANDSALLY(at)SBCGLOBAL.NET, wkentriley(at)yahoo.com,
cllewellyn(at)sbcglobal.net, blummis(at)flash.net, kcmann(at)fundcorpinc.com,
ISSAC.MANNING(at)TRINITYWORKS.NET, fearnv(at)sbcglobal.net,
JODYMASTIN(at)AOL.COM, TMASTIN(at)FLASH.NET, JMCNULTY(at)SOCALPIZZA.COM,
MOE(at)ROSSPISTONS.COM, BMUNRO(at)MUNROSINC.COM,
bob.niehoff(at)fwweekly.com, SNORRIS(at)TKLAW.COM, JPACE(at)PACECO.NET,
scottparker(at)gmail.com, pettigrewsc(at)yahoo.com, RJP(at)RJPJR.COM,
will@runningtrack
> s.com, hookemjgr(at)mail.utexas.edu, rr32(at)swbell.net,
ALLIESLAUGHTER(at)HOTMAIL.COM, BURGUNDY(at)ALLTEL.NET,
jontaggart(at)alltel.net, FVELEZ(at)EQUO.COM.MX, TRWE(at)FLIGHTSERVICES.CC,
WEWILSONJR(at)WILSONANDCOMPANY.COM, fwitt4(at)sbcglobal.net,
syoder(at)sbcglobal.net, SBJ6301(at)EARTHLINK.NET
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>my birthday wish for mason's 60th birthday witch is 11/27 so mon. is for him
>to receive a word of encouragement from all of you for the next year. hope
>you all will participate. thank you all.
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Happy Birthday Mason! May the Maintenance Gods smile on your plane and your
butt.
I hope you didn't end am airline career because of your birthday.
My 60th will not be happy for me.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went in
June.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy birthday.
Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I fly a 680 and
love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying commanders until I am
shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Gil Walker
Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
www.aeroelectric.com
www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Birthday Greetings!! |
Getting old eh! Well, it's like this:
25 SIGNS YOU HAVE GROWN UP
1. Your houseplants are alive, and you can't smoke any of them.
2. Having sex in a twin bed is out of the question.
3. You keep more food than beer in the fridge.
4. 6:00 a.m. is when you get up, not when you go to bed.
5. You hear your favourite song in an elevator.
6. You watch the Weather Channel.
7. Your friends marry and divorce instead of "hook up" and "break up."
8. You go from 130 days of vacation time to 14.
9. Jeans and a sweater no longer qualify as "dressed up."
10. You're the one calling the police because those %&@# kids next door won't
turn down the stereo.
11. Older relatives feel comfortable telling sex jokes around you.
12. You don't know what time Pizza Hut closes anymore.
13. Your car insurance goes down and your car payments go up.
14. You feed your dog Science Diet instead of McDonald's leftovers.
15. Sleeping on the couch makes your back hurt.
16. You take naps.
17. Dinner and a movie is the whole date instead of the beginning of one.
18. Eating a basket of chicken wings at 3 AM would severely upset, rather than
settle, your stomach.
19. You go to the drug store for ibuprofen and antacid, not condoms and
pregnancy tests.
20. A 4.00 bottle of wine is no longer "pretty good shit."
21. You actually eat breakfast food at breakfast time.
22. "I just can't drink the way I used to" replaces "I'm never going to drink
that much again."
23. 90% of the time you spend in front of a computer is for real work.
24. You drink at home to save money before going to a bar.
25. When you find out your friend is pregnant you congratulate them instead of
asking "Oh shit what the hell happened?"
Bonus:
26: You read this entire list looking desperately for one sign that doesn't
apply to you and can't find one to save your sorry old ass.
Then you forward it to a bunch of old friends 'cause you know they'll enjoy it
&
do the same.
Barry Collman
Aged ten and three-quarters (times six and half and a bit).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
1946 was an exceptional year as I turned 60 in April. I read that the
time spent flying is not deducted from one's life span so the 300+ hours
I spend each year in my 500S is going to extend my life span.
Happy birthday to Mason and a happy holidays to all on this web site. I
spent 11 years on the Single Commander site and now have 2.5 years on
this site. What a way to spend pleasurable time and learn at the same
time.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy Birthday Mason! May the Maintenance Gods smile on your plane and
your butt.
I hope you didn't end am airline career because of your birthday.
My 60th will not be happy for me.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went in
June.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy
birthday. Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I
fly a 680 and love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying
commanders until I am shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY
BIRTHDAY Gil Walker Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
www.aeroelectric.com
<http://www.kitlog.com> www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
www.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.kitlog.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
www.aeroelectric.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
Happy birthday Mason.
>From the other one Down Under.
Regards
Richard
Hey Bilbo, come fly down here. We don't put our pilots out to grass at 60.
No point in stopping them when they have just about figured it out.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, 28 November 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy Birthday Mason! May the Maintenance Gods smile on your plane and your
butt.
I hope you didn't end am airline career because of your birthday.
My 60th will not be happy for me.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went in
June.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy birthday.
Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I fly a 680 and
love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying commanders until I am
shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Gil Walker
Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
www.aeroelectric.com
<http://www.kitlog.com> www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
www.aeroelectric.com
www.buildersbooks.com
www.kitlog.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
www.aeroelectric.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday, Mason |
Buddy, you fly a Commander....you have something to say...
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Budplaster(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy Birthday, Mason
I have had 73 birthdays and love Commanders. I am new to this site and
have little to contribute since I have no mechanical aptitude. Mason,
you and the other contributors have made it much easier for me to be a
Commander owner. I own a 560E and a 685 and read everyone's input about
these glorious machines.
Again, have a grand day.
Buddy A. Plaster
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
I was wondering whether I would still be able to fly beyond 70. There are
folks here who's doing that, so thanks for keeping it up, guys.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday
1946 was an exceptional year as I turned 60 in April. I read that the time
spent flying is not deducted from one's life span so the 300+ hours I spend
each year in my 500S is going to extend my life span.
Happy birthday to Mason and a happy holidays to all on this web site. I
spent 11 years on the Single Commander site and now have 2.5 years on this
site. What a way to spend pleasurable time and learn at the same time.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy Birthday Mason! May the Maintenance Gods smile on your plane and your
butt.
I hope you didn't end am airline career because of your birthday.
My 60th will not be happy for me.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of css nico
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year. Mine came and went in
June.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/26/06
Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you a very happy birthday.
Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good person. I fly a 680 and
love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying commanders until I am
shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Gil Walker
Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
www.aeroelectric.com
www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
www.aeroelectric.com
<http://www.kitlog.com> www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://www.aeroelectric.com> www.aeroelectric.com
* The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
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--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
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I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
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As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday |
Hi Guys,
I remember reading somewhere years ago that when you reach 50, you lose
2,000 memory cells a day. I'm at a big disadvantage here, as I wasn't
born with that many to start with ;-)
Anyway, I'm going to send another Email shortly, as soon as I've
remembered what I was really going to say in this one.
Ah! No! - it's OK, I've just had a flash of recall ........
With all this chat about Birthdays and old flyers, I completely forgot
that we here in the UK can probably boast to have the oldest Commander
owner/pilot anywhere in the World.
John Houlder has owned a 680E, s/n 753-41, G-AWOE since August 1968 and
has flown it to many places around the World. He usually flies to
Samedan in Switzerland to put in some skiing practice at least once a
year. With a bunch of other owner/pilots, they sometimes set off in a
group, called the "Air Squadron", which has included a P-51 Mustang and
a Cessna Citation, to tour various Countries. I know they all went to
the US one year, South Africa another year, and Russia in another year!
He has evidently admitted that he has had to give up downhill ski-ing as
he becomes scared doing steep turns - but he is still IFR at 90!
Single pilot and there is no doubt about that as co pilot's control
wheel is removed, thanks to Doug Jacob, Authorised Service Center "Delta
Tango".
So, come on - any older or bolder over the pond or down under??
Those of you with the Volume 5, Number 1 issue of Twin Commander's
"Flight Levels" magazine, published in Spring 2000, can read more about
John and other people over here in the UK.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | OldBob Siegfried <oldbob(at)beechowners.com> |
Good Morning Nico,
I am not currently flying a Commander but I regularly
fly a Beech Model 18, a Piper Pacer, a Baron, my V35B
Bonanza and my Stearman.
On my last birthday, I turned seventy-seven.
There is a fine young man in upstate New York named
Johnny Miller who will be one hundred and one on
December 15th of this year.
He was regularly flying his Bonanza (IFR and all) when
he was ninety-nine.
John has not been able to get his physical passed for
the last couple of years, but he is still an active
flight instructor and does perform those functions
which are legal to do with his present status.
When I grow up I want to be just like Johnny Miller!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
--- nico css wrote:
> I was wondering whether I would still be able to fly
> beyond 70. There are
> folks here who's doing that, so thanks for keeping
> it up, guys.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of
> dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 7:29 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday
>
>
>
> 1946 was an exceptional year as I turned 60 in
> April. I read that the time
> spent flying is not deducted from one's life span so
> the 300+ hours I spend
> each year in my 500S is going to extend my life
> span.
>
>
>
> Happy birthday to Mason and a happy holidays to all
> on this web site. I
> spent 11 years on the Single Commander site and now
> have 2.5 years on this
> site. What a way to spend pleasurable time and
> learn at the same time.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Bill Bow
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 6:25 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday
>
>
>
> Happy Birthday Mason! May the Maintenance Gods smile
> on your plane and your
> butt.
>
> I hope you didn't end am airline career because of
> your birthday.
>
>
>
> My 60th will not be happy for me.
>
>
>
> bilbo
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of css nico
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
> To: Commander-List(at)Matronics.Com
> Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday
>
>
>
> Happy birthday, Mason. 1946 was a very good year.
> Mine came and went in
> June.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of
> WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:30 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest:
> 1 Msgs - 11/26/06
>
>
>
> Mason, Although I don`t know you, I want to wish you
> a very happy birthday.
> Anyone who loves or flys commanders has to be a good
> person. I fly a 680 and
> love it. I will be 67 in Jan. and hope to be flying
> commanders until I am
> shot by a jealous husband when I am a 100. HAPPY
> BIRTHDAY Gil Walker
> Wingflyer1(at)aol.com
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.kitlog.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> <http://www.kitlog.com> www.kitlog.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> <http://www.aeroelectric.com> www.aeroelectric.com
> * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com
> * Aeroware Enterprises www.kitlog.com
> * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com
> List Contribution Web Site
> --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> Thank you for your generous support!
> -Matt Dralle, List
> Admin.
>
> - The Commander-List Email Forum -
> -->
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Well, I got
to thinking about Jack Broome, but he is only 88.
http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_bca_story.jsp?id=news/mu2_020
6.xml
John S. "Jack" Broome of Oxnard, Calif.-based
Broome Ranches has been flying MU-2B aircraft for more than three
decades,
accumulating more than 2,700 flight hours in type. He first soloed in
1935,
later became a military pilot and airline captain, and he served on the
NBAA's
board of directors for 20 years. He owned and operated Beech 18s for 27
years
before buying his first MU-2B in 1973. He hasn't had an accident in 70
years
of
flying.
He has forceful opinions about the MU-2B allegedly
being unsafe. "Going back years ago, folks said the same thing about the
V-tail Bonanza, Learjets and Aerostars." He puts prime importance on
being
a competent, well-trained pilot. "People can get out of a Cessna 310,
legally step into an MU-2B and say 'I don't need any training.' Then
they
get
themselves into trouble." That results in accidents, which in turn,
drive
down resale prices and drive up insurance premiums.
"There are lots of good airplanes out there, but
this one will do 300-plus knots on 80 gallons per hour. It will also
slow
down
to 120 KIAS on approach. There's just no way to get into trouble with
the
airplane if you fly it by the numbers. For example, I don't use full
flaps
until I'm over the fence and slowing to final landing speed. I don't
want
any
surprises; I'm too old for surprises," he said.
Broome insists on undergoing rigorous recurrent
training and has high praise for Mitsubishi's Pilot Review of
Proficiency
(PROP) training program. "That makes the best pilots out of MU-2
pilots," he said.
A veteran pilot with thousands of hours in DC-3s,
DC-4s and Beech 18s, Broome claims that each of those aircraft was
considerably
more difficult to fly than the MU-2B. "I've had 'memorable landings' in
all those aircraft," he said, "but I've had no memorable landings in
the MU-2."
He thinks the MU-2B is a "pussycat' and he
wouldn't sell the aircraft unless he couldn't fly it. Now 88, Broome
still
flies his current MU-2B regularly.
Col. Frank Borman, the former Apollo astronaut, flew
three models of MU-2B aircraft during a 15-year period, accumulating a
total
of
3,500 hours flight time.
"They run very, very well and they're most
robust, built like military airplanes," he told B&CA. "It's a
solid, honest airplane."
Borman said he underwent FlightSafety recurrent
training yearly while operating the MU-2 and attended the
Mitsubishi-sponsored,
three-day PROP course. He believes other MU-2B pilots should do the
same,
but
that most just don't get enough training. "If you're a relatively new
multiengine pilot, if you lose an engine you'll have your hands full."
The Las Cruces, N.M., resident believes
that the recent pressure from certain congressmen to force grounding of
the
aircraft is totally unwarranted. "I don't understand the criticisms of
the
aircraft. It went through two FAA certification procedures, plus the
most
extensive flight into known icing approval I can remember."
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister------------------- 2 score 14 (& losing brain cells
quickly)
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Tuesday,
November 28, 2006 9:03 AM
Hi
Guys,
www.homebuilthelp.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I remember
reading somewhere years ago that when you reach 50, you lose 2,000
memory
cells
a day. I'm at a big disadvantage here, as I wasn't born with that many
to
start
with ;-)
www.homebuilthelp.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Anyway, I'm
going to send another Email shortly, as soon as I've remembered what I
was
really going to say in this one.
www.homebuilthelp.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Ah! No! -
it's OK, I've just had a flash of recall ........
www.homebuilthelp.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
With all
this chat about Birthdays and old flyers, I completely forgot that we
here
in the
UK can probably boast to have the oldest Commander owner/pilot anywhere
in the World.
www.homebuilthelp.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
John
Houlder has owned a 680E, s/n 753-41, G-AWOE since August 1968 and has
flown
it
to many places around the World. He usually flies to Samedan in
Switzerland
to put
in some skiing practice at least once a year. With a bunch of other
owner/pilots, they sometimes set off in a group, called the "Air
Squadron", which has included a P-51 Mustang and a Cessna Citation,
to tour various Countries. I know they all went to the US one year,
South
Africa another year, and Russia in another year!
www.homebuilthelp.com
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
He has
evidently admitted that he has had to give up downhill ski-ing as he
becomes
scared doing steep turns - but he is still IFR at 90!
Single
pilot and there is no doubt about that as co pilot's control wheel is
removed,
thanks to Doug Jacob, Authorised Service Center "Delta Tango".
So,
come on - any older or bolder over the pond or down under??
Those
of you with the Volume 5, Number 1 issue of Twin Commander's "Flight
Levels" magazine, published in Spring 2000, can read more about John
and other people over here in the UK.
Best
Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
WOW! Now I feel silly for worrying about flying at 60.
Any chance we can get that mag over here in the states?
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday
Hi Guys,
I remember reading somewhere years ago that when you reach 50, you lose
2,000 memory cells a day. I'm at a big disadvantage here, as I wasn't born
with that many to start with ;-)
Anyway, I'm going to send another Email shortly, as soon as I've remembered
what I was really going to say in this one.
Ah! No! - it's OK, I've just had a flash of recall ........
With all this chat about Birthdays and old flyers, I completely forgot that
we here in the UK can probably boast to have the oldest Commander
owner/pilot anywhere in the World.
John Houlder has owned a 680E, s/n 753-41, G-AWOE since August 1968 and has
flown it to many places around the World. He usually flies to Samedan in
Switzerland to put in some skiing practice at least once a year. With a
bunch of other owner/pilots, they sometimes set off in a group, called the
"Air Squadron", which has included a P-51 Mustang and a Cessna Citation, to
tour various Countries. I know they all went to the US one year, South
Africa another year, and Russia in another year!
He has evidently admitted that he has had to give up downhill ski-ing as he
becomes scared doing steep turns - but he is still IFR at 90!
Single pilot and there is no doubt about that as co pilot's control wheel is
removed, thanks to Doug Jacob, Authorised Service Center "Delta Tango".
So, come on - any older or bolder over the pond or down under??
Those of you with the Volume 5, Number 1 issue of Twin Commander's "Flight
Levels" magazine, published in Spring 2000, can read more about John and
other people over here in the UK.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday |
Hi Nico & All,
If you own a Commander and don't receive the "Flight Levels" magazine,
get in touch with Twin Commander. The format of the mag has changed in
last few years, but there's usually something of interest in there.
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy Birthday
WOW! Now I feel silly for worrying about flying at 60.
Any chance we can get that mag over here in the states?
Nico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:03 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday
Hi Guys,
I remember reading somewhere years ago that when you reach 50, you
lose 2,000 memory cells a day. I'm at a big disadvantage here, as I
wasn't born with that many to start with ;-)
Anyway, I'm going to send another Email shortly, as soon as I've
remembered what I was really going to say in this one.
Ah! No! - it's OK, I've just had a flash of recall ........
With all this chat about Birthdays and old flyers, I completely forgot
that we here in the UK can probably boast to have the oldest Commander
owner/pilot anywhere in the World.
John Houlder has owned a 680E, s/n 753-41, G-AWOE since August 1968
and has flown it to many places around the World. He usually flies to
Samedan in Switzerland to put in some skiing practice at least once a
year. With a bunch of other owner/pilots, they sometimes set off in a
group, called the "Air Squadron", which has included a P-51 Mustang and
a Cessna Citation, to tour various Countries. I know they all went to
the US one year, South Africa another year, and Russia in another year!
He has evidently admitted that he has had to give up downhill ski-ing
as he becomes scared doing steep turns - but he is still IFR at 90!
Single pilot and there is no doubt about that as co pilot's control
wheel is removed, thanks to Doug Jacob, Authorised Service Center "Delta
Tango".
So, come on - any older or bolder over the pond or down under??
Those of you with the Volume 5, Number 1 issue of Twin Commander's
"Flight Levels" magazine, published in Spring 2000, can read more about
John and other people over here in the UK.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday |
I find that "Flight Levels" is catered to turbines only, with one or two
adds for piston conversions.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday
Hi Nico & All,
If you own a Commander and don't receive the "Flight Levels" magazine,
get in touch with Twin Commander. The format of the mag has changed in
last few years, but there's usually something of interest in there.
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy Birthday
WOW! Now I feel silly for worrying about flying at 60.
Any chance we can get that mag over here in the states?
Nico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:03 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday
Hi Guys,
I remember reading somewhere years ago that when you reach 50, you
lose 2,000 memory cells a day. I'm at a big disadvantage here, as I
wasn't born with that many to start with ;-)
Anyway, I'm going to send another Email shortly, as soon as I've
remembered what I was really going to say in this one.
Ah! No! - it's OK, I've just had a flash of recall ........
With all this chat about Birthdays and old flyers, I completely
forgot that we here in the UK can probably boast to have the oldest
Commander owner/pilot anywhere in the World.
John Houlder has owned a 680E, s/n 753-41, G-AWOE since August 1968
and has flown it to many places around the World. He usually flies to
Samedan in Switzerland to put in some skiing practice at least once a
year. With a bunch of other owner/pilots, they sometimes set off in a
group, called the "Air Squadron", which has included a P-51 Mustang and
a Cessna Citation, to tour various Countries. I know they all went to
the US one year, South Africa another year, and Russia in another year!
He has evidently admitted that he has had to give up downhill
ski-ing as he becomes scared doing steep turns - but he is still IFR at
90!
Single pilot and there is no doubt about that as co pilot's control
wheel is removed, thanks to Doug Jacob, Authorised Service Center "Delta
Tango".
So, come on - any older or bolder over the pond or down under??
Those of you with the Volume 5, Number 1 issue of Twin Commander's
"Flight Levels" magazine, published in Spring 2000, can read more about
John and other people over here in the UK.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: EP-AGT - 680FLP-1643-31 |
| From: | cloudcraft(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
To: CloudCraft(at)aol.com; YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: EP-AGT - 680FLP-1643-31
Hi Guys, The attached photo is on "the net". Shown as EP-AGT, which was a 680FLP,
s/n 1643-31, supplied new to Iran in August 1966. Is shown as being with
the Civil Aviation Technology College, at Mehrabad Airport,Tehran and is worked
on by college students. But, does this look like a panel from a Pressurized
model?
Sir Barry,
Yes, the cabin pressure controller is clearly visible to the right of the pilot's
controll yoke column and the cabin rate-of-change (or cabin VSI) and cabin
pressure differential gauge are to the left of the column.
Allah is merciful.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Commander part needed |
Hello,
I am in need of an idler arm pulley wheel and eccentric for the
right engine (the fan belt idler arm eccentric belt tightner) of the
Aero Commander 680 FLP I fly. The pulley bearing decided to come apart
10 minutes out of Oxford, MS last Monday. Actually didn't know it until
I got on the ground other than that the alternator wasn't quit taking a
load. I though it was an alternator or regulator problem.
Once on the ground I found two broken fan belts, and the pulley just
as "loose as a goose" on the idler arm. The idler arm pulley wheel part
number is: LW 10578. The wheel itself is for a two fan belt setup.
Anyone who may know where I can get one please let me know, I'm
based in Destin, FL. My email address is: hcourier(at)cox.net.
I must not know how to use this site as this is the second time I've
emailed a request to the site and didn't get a copy myself...which to me
means it may not have gotten out to folks. If this is a second "issue"
please disregard...unless you have the needed part.
Thank you,
Ray Mansfield
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
October 13, 2006 - November 29, 2006
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