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Was it anyone on this list flying over the south end of lake Apopka in central Florida at 1400 today? bb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Happy birthday
Date: Nov 29, 2006
I hope you didn't end an airline career because of your birthday. My 60th will not be happy for me. bilbo Bilbo; My 60th is what introduced me to my Aero Commander. It was one of the options I had to continue flying, however, now I 'get' to pay for the fuel, but I also make the schedules. So I considered my glass "half full' rather than half empty and it has been happy for me. My grandkids think its wonderful. Happy Birthday, Mason By the way, I just saw the movie "Second Hand Lions" and it is my preference for "GOING" however not for awhile, but in the movie it said they were two old 90 year olds doing accrobatics and having fun and dying with their boots on! A great movie that I would recommend, Michael Caine and Robert Devall. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Happy birthday
Date: Nov 29, 2006
It was an OUTSTANDING movie. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday I hope you didn't end an airline career because of your birthday. My 60th will not be happy for me. bilbo Bilbo; My 60th is what introduced me to my Aero Commander. It was one of the options I had to continue flying, however, now I 'get' to pay for the fuel, but I also make the schedules. So I considered my glass "half full' rather than half empty and it has been happy for me. My grandkids think its wonderful. Happy Birthday, Mason By the way, I just saw the movie "Second Hand Lions" and it is my preference for "GOING" however not for awhile, but in the movie it said they were two old 90 year olds doing accrobatics and having fun and dying with their boots on! A great movie that I would recommend, Michael Caine and Robert Devall. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Happy birthday
Date: Nov 29, 2006
I hope I can get mine running by then. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday I hope you didn't end an airline career because of your birthday. My 60th will not be happy for me. bilbo Bilbo; My 60th is what introduced me to my Aero Commander. It was one of the options I had to continue flying, however, now I 'get' to pay for the fuel, but I also make the schedules. So I considered my glass "half full' rather than half empty and it has been happy for me. My grandkids think its wonderful. Happy Birthday, Mason By the way, I just saw the movie "Second Hand Lions" and it is my preference for "GOING" however not for awhile, but in the movie it said they were two old 90 year olds doing accrobatics and having fun and dying with their boots on! A great movie that I would recommend, Michael Caine and Robert Devall. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Happy birthday
Date: Nov 30, 2006
Hey Bilbo, At least you have one!! Cheers Russell ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:32:54 -0500 >From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday >To: > > I hope I can get mine running by then. > > > > bilbo > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Don Girod > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:03 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday > > > > I hope you didn't end an airline career because of > your birthday. > > My 60th will not be happy for me. > > > > bilbo > > > > > > Bilbo; > > > > My 60th is what introduced me to my Aero Commander. > It was one of the options I had to continue flying, > however, now I 'get' to pay for the fuel, but I also > make the schedules. So I considered my glass "half > full' rather than half empty and it has been happy > for me. My grandkids think its wonderful. > > > > Happy Birthday, Mason > > > > By the way, I just saw the movie "Second Hand Lions" > and it is my preference for "GOING" however not for > awhile, but in the movie it said they were two old > 90 year olds doing accrobatics and having fun and > dying with their boots on! A great movie that I > would recommend, Michael Caine and Robert Devall. > > > > > > > > Raiser. Click on > > Gifts provided > > www.aeroelectric.com > > size=2 > color=black face="Courier New"> ================ > > browse > > Chat, FAQ, > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > > > > > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 30, 2006
Subject: Re: Happy birthday
HI RUSSELL There is a rumor that you are buying a 500 Commander?? jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Happy birthday
Date: Nov 30, 2006
Hi Jim, Great to get your email. By surprise Lou emailed a couple of days ago to tell me that his circumstances have changed and has offered me first right of refusal on N711NE. He doesn't want to let it go but at the same time wants it to go to a good home. He doesn't want to sell it for a profit or even recoup what he has put into it. Lou tells me there is no corrosion...of course it isn't perfect but I guess it would fit my needs well. Jim I need to ask for your help on trying to arrive at a seasonal/fair price for it. I know that you had a bit of a look at it...Lou doesn't know what to ask for it...has (right engine) one engine on 1900hr but with good compression 78/80 all round. Lou has done a lot of work with replacinjg hydraulics upgradind to stainless steel hoses and stuff. Left hand engine has 1000hrs. Props have been overhauled and no longer have the AD requirement. Do you remember that the Troutdale one was under offer for about $90,000 at the time we looked at it...had better engine times etc...but of course we know about the wing warp and other bits. I will ring you soon to talk through were you think we should go. I just the confidenc e of offering Lou a fair price based on market knowledge. Fond regards and hi to Sue Cheers Russell ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:05:23 EST >From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy birthday >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > > HI RUSSELL > > There is a rumor that you are buying a 500 > Commander?? jb > > > > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== > _- ================================================ ========== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 30, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers, Well, its November 30th and that means three things... 1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...) 2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser! 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-) If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way to further the List operation and keep the bills paid. I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is on it! :-) Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly appreciated. List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Happy birthday
Date: Nov 30, 2006
b, concur on all of the above. mason >From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy birthday >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:32:54 -0500 > >I hope I can get mine running by then. > > >bilbo > > > _____ > >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:03 PM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Happy birthday > > >I hope you didn't end an airline career because of your birthday. > >My 60th will not be happy for me. > > >bilbo > > >Bilbo; > > >My 60th is what introduced me to my Aero Commander. It was one of the >options I had to continue flying, however, now I 'get' to pay for the fuel, >but I also make the schedules. So I considered my glass "half full' rather >than half empty and it has been happy for me. My grandkids think its >wonderful. > > >Happy Birthday, Mason > > >By the way, I just saw the movie "Second Hand Lions" and it is my >preference >for "GOING" however not for awhile, but in the movie it said they were two >old 90 year olds doing accrobatics and having fun and dying with their >boots >on! A great movie that I would recommend, Michael Caine and Robert Devall. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 30, 2006
Subject: Re: Apopka
Why? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: One of our pilots a celebrity!
Date: Nov 30, 2006
I was reading AvWeb's "AvFlash" this morning, and Ray Mansfield was one of this week's winners in the weekly aviation photo contest, with a sunset picture out the cockpit window of his 680. Nice shot, Ray! Scenes like that are one of the reasons I feel extremely lucky to have my own airplane. The picture can be seen here: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw07_1248_med.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: One of our pilots a celebrity!
Date: Nov 30, 2006
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Oh yeah! Now I remeber. That's why I fly ... Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: john(at)vormbaum.com Sent: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Commander-List: One of our pilots a celebrity! I was reading AvWeb's "AvFlash" this morning, and Ray Mansfield was one of this week's winners in the weekly aviation photo contest, with a sunset picture out the cockpit window of his 680. Nice shot, Ray! Scenes like that are one of the reasons I feel extremely lucky to have my own airplane. The picture can be seen here: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/potw07_1248_med.jpg ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Apopka
Date: Nov 30, 2006
I just looked up and saw one and wondered who it was. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N560WM(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Apopka Why? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net>
Subject: Birthday Greetings
Date: Dec 01, 2006
I didn't realize how many `youngsters' were in the club until people starting tossing their ages around. Not wanting to feel like the `ancient aeronaut' I waited for OldBob Siegfried to check in because I knew he was older than me. What a shock to learn he's just slightly ahead of me. When I met him about 30 yrs. ago in the Chicago area I thought he had at least 20 yrs. on me. Just `cuz you're in an open cockpit doesn't mean you gotta hang your face out in the slipstream ALL the time LOL (;-).... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: DEA
Date: Dec 01, 2006
Hi Guys, My failing memory seems to recall somebody on the list having a contact at the DEA. If so, could they get in touch with me please? Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: DEA
Date: Dec 01, 2006
Barry- Now you HAVE to tell us the story behind that request. :-) Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 05:12 Subject: Commander-List: DEA Hi Guys, My failing memory seems to recall somebody on the list having a contact at the DEA. If so, could they get in touch with me please? Best Regards, Barry __________ NOD32 1896 (20061201) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU
Date: Dec 01, 2006
From: bertberry1(at)aol.com
Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU
Date: Dec 01, 2006
I don't know which one it is. But I do know how it got there. It "emergency crashed landed" there. :>))) Sorry I just couldn't resist. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ _____ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU
Date: Dec 01, 2006
From: bertberry1(at)aol.com
You Know, I should have thought of that. -----Original Message----- From: bowing74(at)earthlink.net Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU I don=99t know which one it is. But I do know how it got there. It =9Cemergency crashed landed=9D there. :>))) Sorry I just couldn=99t resist. bilbo From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________ ee AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2006
From: Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Subject: Steering Valve (Part # ,V102)
I'm looking for the nose wheel steering valve for my 500B - developed a bad habit of "reverse" nose wheel steering. Due to a blown "O" ring in the actuator, and also we need the valve. Hope we can find one somewhere. Thanks in advance if anyone knows where to look... bobf (N500GW) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU
Date: Dec 01, 2006
Judging by the eyebrow windows and the lack of a dorsal fin in front of the vertical stabilizer, I'd guess it was a 681. What a shame... Stan N681SP -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ _____ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DEA
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Hi Rob and All, Well, I ought to ask for your address, as if I tell you this story, I'd have to kill you ....... but what the heck: I've been told the 'story' about "Senor X", who wanted a new Turbo Commander, but needed additional fuel. Reportedly, his company was in the courier business, flying cancelled checks and bank documents between such places as Venezuela and Panama. Having been told by Rockwell that they couldn't issue an Export Certificate on a new plane which had additional fuel, he was evidently sold a new Turbo Commander and flew it to Downtown Airpark, who were to fit a "temporary" ferry fuel system. Of course, once he'd crossed he US border, the "temporary" would have become permanent. Anyway, as he taxied to the ramp at Downtown Airpark, the aircraft was seized by the DEA. After a Court Order was obtained by the US Dept of Justice, enabling them to sell the aircraft, the highest bidder at auction was Rockwell. I'd like to try and identify this aircraft, as I'm virtually certain that none of these documents would have ended up in the aircraft's file. This story is evidently from the late 70's and could have involved a 690B, or one from the 690C/695 family. I haven't been able to i/d this Commander, as I'm pretty sure that the original Bill of Sale, the Court Order documents and the second Bill of Sale from Rockwell will not have made it through to the aircraft's file in the FAA records. Someone has a contact at the DEA and is going to try and help. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: DEA Barry- Now you HAVE to tell us the story behind that request. :-) Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 05:12 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: DEA Hi Guys, My failing memory seems to recall somebody on the list having a contact at the DEA. If so, could they get in touch with me please? Best Regards, Barry href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1896 (20061201) Information __________ =========== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU
Date: Dec 02, 2006
MessageHi All, I've now found some photos that Russell Legg me of this one. It's a Model 690, serial number 11039, formerly Australian registration VH-NYB. The registration is on that white(ish) panel at the tail. Location is the Highway Inn, near Daly Waters, Northern Territory. I think Russell will enjoy telling the tale on how he found this one after quick a trek! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 6:51 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Judging by the eyebrow windows and the lack of a dorsal fin in front of the vertical stabilizer, I'd guess it was a 681. What a shame... Stan N681SP -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:49 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU
Date: Dec 02, 2006
If that was a 'crash' landing, the pilot didn't do too badly, it seems. Do we even know in which part of the planet that happened? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU You Know, I should have thought of that. -----Original Message----- From: bowing74(at)earthlink.net Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU I don't know which one it is. But I do know how it got there. It "emergency crashed landed" there. :>))) Sorry I just couldn't resist. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ _____ www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com/> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List blank>www.aeroelectric.com " target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.kitlog.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> l?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol" target="_blank">Check ree AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Photos
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Hi Russell, I'm just now getting round to cataloguing the photos you kindly gave me at the Fly-In. There are a few I cannot i/d properly, as the regn isn't visible in the shots. So, can you i/d them from the following descriptions of hangar shots and also include the date & location? 1. Commander bottom right with Dornier 228 behind it. 2. Commander bottom left, with VH-BLT Beech 58P behind it. 3. Commander fuselage, ex Amann scheme next to flight of stairs, with "Caution mind your head" sign at the top. Also, can you give me the date & location of these ones, which I can i/d? 1. VH-EXV - no spinner and panels off nacelle. Port side shot, square on. 2. VH-YJA - at Essendon? Port side shot, square on. Has eyebrow windows! 3. VH-KAK - outside GAM hangar. Starboard side shot, square on. Has VH-UJV tail behind it. 4. VH-YJM - outside GAM hangar. Unpainted, Port side shot, square on. 5. VH-MAV - at Essendon? Port side shot, square on. Wettenhall Air Services titles. 6. VH-CAW - at Moorabbin? Has hangar with "Hinery" titles in background. Starboard side shot, square on. 7. VH-UJY - Port side shot, square on. Has windshield cover in place. Apologies for being a pain in the butt! Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AUSTRALIA
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Hi Nico, The amended "Subject" line will explain it better! And, my earlier reply, which I expect you haven't scrolled down to yet! ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU If that was a 'crash' landing, the pilot didn't do too badly, it seems. Do we even know in which part of the planet that happened? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU You Know, I should have thought of that. -----Original Message----- From: bowing74(at)earthlink.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU I don't know which one it is. But I do know how it got there. It "emergency crashed landed" there. :>))) Sorry I just couldn't resist. bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:49 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Comm ander-List blank>www.aeroelectric.com" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com=_blank>www.kitlog.com=_blank>ww w.homebuilthelp.comlank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List size=2 width="100%" align=center> l?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol" target="_blank">Check ree AOL Mail and more. www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Comm ander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AUSTRALIA
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Ah! It is so. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:36 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AUSTRALIA Hi Nico, The amended "Subject" line will explain it better! And, my earlier reply, which I expect you haven't scrolled down to yet! ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU If that was a 'crash' landing, the pilot didn't do too badly, it seems. Do we even know in which part of the planet that happened? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU You Know, I should have thought of that. -----Original Message----- From: bowing74(at)earthlink.net Sent: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU I don't know which one it is. But I do know how it got there. It "emergency crashed landed" there. :>))) Sorry I just couldn't resist. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of bertberry1(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER ABANDONED IN AU Does anyone here have a clue as to which Commander this is? And how it got there? Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/julesandjez/267528373/ _____ www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com <http://www.kitlog.com/> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List blank>www.aeroelectric.com " target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.kitlog.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List size=2 width="100%" align=center> l?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom%2Fnewaol" target="_blank">Check ree AOL Mail and more. www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 27, 2006
Subject: gross weight
HELLO WCG. How much "over gross" were you allowed on you ferry permit to pango-pango?? Thanks jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: gross weight
Date: Dec 02, 2006
I think he had to lose about 30lb. But, it suits him! I bet Dan can't pick *that* much out of his belly button ;-) BC ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 3:25 AM Subject: Commander-List: gross weight HELLO WCG. How much "over gross" were you allowed on you ferry permit to pango-pango?? Thanks jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Subject: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE
I found these photos of a trashed Bathtub Commander in Charlotte, N.C. Barry and I were wondering if anyone here has ever come across this one. And if so does anyone know which one it might be. Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/permanentennui/28562283/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Looking at the image of the center console- looks like the left engine was feathered when the airplane met it's demise.... Flap handle is at full down.... wonder if it played a role. Never like seeing trashed commanders..... Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BertBerry1(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 15:39 Subject: Commander-List: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE I found these photos of a trashed Bathtub Commander in Charlotte, N.C. Barry and I were wondering if anyone here has ever come across this one. And if so does anyone know which one it might be. Thanks, Bert http://www.flickr.com/photos/permanentennui/28562283/ __________ NOD32 1897 (20061201) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Subject: Re: gross weight
Capt. JimBob, That was 12 years and 2 weeks ago, which I can remember, but the exact percentage over gross I cannot. Safe to say 10% and possibly 15% over gross but that would be the maximum allowed. 15% over gross for an over-water ferry is a good place to start from ... but it won't get you to dry land if you're going from Oakland to Honolulu. The shortest coast-out to Honolulu off an adequate runway is (135 kts assume d ground speed): KOAK (37=B043'17"N 122=B013'15"W) PHNL (21=B019'07"N 157=B055'21"W) 2409 mi 15:30 If you're contemplating moving a Commander a long distance this web site is really fun for modeling different routes: Great Circle Mapper Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2006
Subject: Re: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE
In a message dated 02-Dec-06 16:26:08 Pacific Standard Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes: Looking at the image of the center console- looks like the left engine was feathered when the airplane met it's demise.... Flap handle is at full down.... wonder if it played a role. Want a position on the forensics team? ;-) The problem is, the wreckage as been too disturbed to ever know. The cockpit is right side up, but the fuselage aft of the wing leading edge is upside down. I also imagine kids have been using it as a play ground, so who knows what the configuration was at the time of the accident was -- and even that is an assumption. Given the location it could have been a tornado or hurricane that wrecked this airplane while parked. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE
Date: Dec 02, 2006
WCG- Looking at the image of the center console- looks like the left engine was feathered when the airplane met it's demise.... Flap handle is at full down.... wonder if it played a role. Want a position on the forensics team? ;-) hahahaha..... Sign me up! Spent enough time as a chief pilot that I developed that 4 second cockpit scan to assess the major component positions after a bird would come back to field with some type of cockup. You'd be amazed how created the switch positions can be when the crew disregards the checklists or the training breaks down. :-) Rob www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1897 (20061201) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Photos
Barry, RE: CAW?? (I haven't seen the pic. referred to) but currently languishing in (in, not on) the grass a Moorabbin is an ex-DCA 560E, untouched for quite a while, was not in good shape after the last annual years ago (2001 ??) and I believe the owner then never found a buyer. As the rego. is painted over, I assume the registration has been cancelled, given Australia noise rules it will be very hard to re-register.Unless somebody takes pity on it, it's likely to be cut up for scrap. it had one almost zero hours engine, reasonable props, only VFR radio, and the autopilot was in a cardboard box. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 02:33 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote: >Hi Russell, > >I'm just now getting round to cataloguing the photos you kindly gave >me at the Fly-In. > >There are a few I cannot i/d properly, as the regn isn't visible in the shots. > >So, can you i/d them from the following descriptions of hangar shots >and also include the date & location? > >1. Commander bottom right with Dornier 228 behind it. > >2. Commander bottom left, with VH-BLT Beech 58P behind it. > >3. Commander fuselage, ex Amann scheme next to flight of stairs, >with "Caution mind your head" sign at the top. > >Also, can you give me the date & location of these ones, which I can i/d? > >1. VH-EXV - no spinner and panels off nacelle. Port side shot, square on. >2. VH-YJA - at Essendon? Port side shot, square on. Has eyebrow windows! >3. VH-KAK - outside GAM hangar. Starboard side shot, square on. Has >VH-UJV tail behind it. >4. VH-YJM - outside GAM hangar. Unpainted, Port side shot, square on. >5. VH-MAV - at Essendon? Port side shot, square on. Wettenhall Air >Services titles. >6. VH-CAW - at Moorabbin? Has hangar with "Hinery" titles in >background. Starboard side shot, square on. >7. VH-UJY - Port side shot, square on. Has windshield cover in place. > >Apologies for being a pain in the butt! > >Very Best Regards, >Barry > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GSIO 540-B1A
Date: Dec 03, 2006
Doe's anyone know of any GSIO 540-B1A Engine that is for sale. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Photos
Date: Dec 03, 2006
Thanks Bill. VH-CAW is still on the Oz register, with Mohammed Mostafa, of Rowville, Victoria. ----- Original Message ----- From: W J R HAMILTON To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photos Barry, RE: CAW?? (I haven't seen the pic. referred to) but currently languishing in (in, not on) the grass a Moorabbin is an ex-DCA 560E, untouched for quite a while, was not in good shape after the last annual years ago (2001 ??) and I believe the owner then never found a buyer. As the rego. is painted over, I assume the registration has been cancelled, given Australia noise rules it will be very hard to re-register.Unless somebody takes pity on it, it's likely to be cut up for scrap. it had one almost zero hours engine, reasonable props, only VFR radio, and the autopilot was in a cardboard box. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 02:33 AM 3/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Russell, I'm just now getting round to cataloguing the photos you kindly gave me at the Fly-In. There are a few I cannot i/d properly, as the regn isn't visible in the shots. So, can you i/d them from the following descriptions of hangar shots and also include the date & location? 1. Commander bottom right with Dornier 228 behind it. 2. Commander bottom left, with VH-BLT Beech 58P behind it. 3. Commander fuselage, ex Amann scheme next to flight of stairs, with "Caution mind your head" sign at the top. Also, can you give me the date & location of these ones, which I can i/d? 1. VH-EXV - no spinner and panels off nacelle. Port side shot, square on. 2. VH-YJA - at Essendon? Port side shot, square on. Has eyebrow windows! 3. VH-KAK - outside GAM hangar. Starboard side shot, square on. Has VH-UJV tail behind it. 4. VH-YJM - outside GAM hangar. Unpainted, Port side shot, square on. 5. VH-MAV - at Essendon? Port side shot, square on. Wettenhall Air Services titles. 6. VH-CAW - at Moorabbin? Has hangar with "Hinery" titles in background. Starboard side shot, square on. 7. VH-UJY - Port side shot, square on. Has windshield cover in place. Apologies for being a pain in the butt! Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net>
Subject: Not so OldBob Siegfried
Date: Dec 03, 2006
`morning Bob, Jog your memory? I had to dig up my old `dog tags' to wear to remember who I am. "My Daily Routine": I wake up(that's a good thing) make a pot of coffee(that's even better) check my `dog tags' against the `obits' in the morning paper & if my name isn't in there I check my `to do' list. After checking that I usually decide to take a nap before doing anything rash......that `to do' list just keeps growing & growing & growing. From the mid `60s to early `80s most of my flying activities centered around MDW & for many years we had a charter service & approved flight school there. This resulted in countless student dual flights to the (at that time) many airports in the Chicago area. Among the few names that still stick in my memory banks(Willy Howell sr.& jr.,Wally Sedgwick,George Priester sr.& jr.,Ester Nofke, Vic Jacobs, Monty Montgomery) Siegfried is one of them (probably a Freudian slip of some kind). I believe our common topics were Brookridge air park from dream to fruition & a shared love-hate relationship with the many variations of the Stearman. Hope this jogs the memory. Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 04, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Photos
Barry, Given the shambles called the Register I am not surprised, local advice was otherwise, hence the painted out VH-CAW. Mostafa had a completely unrealistic price on it, rather a shame. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:33 AM 4/12/2006, you wrote: >Thanks Bill. VH-CAW is still on the Oz register, with Mohammed >Mostafa, of Rowville, Victoria. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>W J R HAMILTON >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:50 PM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photos > >Barry, >RE: CAW?? (I haven't seen the pic. referred to) but currently >languishing in (in, not on) the grass a Moorabbin is an ex-DCA 560E, >untouched for quite a while, was not in good shape after the last >annual years ago (2001 ??) and I believe the owner then never found >a buyer. As the rego. is painted over, I assume the registration has >been cancelled, given Australia noise rules it will be very hard to >re-register.Unless somebody takes pity on it, it's likely to be cut >up for scrap. it had one almost zero hours engine, reasonable props, >only VFR radio, and the autopilot was in a cardboard box. >Cheers, >Bill Hamilton > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE
Date: Dec 04, 2006
You just never know in one of those "emergency crashed landed" situations. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TRASHED COMMANDER IN CHARLOTTE In a message dated 02-Dec-06 16:26:08 Pacific Standard Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes: Looking at the image of the center console- looks like the left engine was feathered when the airplane met it's demise.... Flap handle is at full down.... wonder if it played a role. Want a position on the forensics team? ;-) The problem is, the wreckage as been too disturbed to ever know. The cockpit is right side up, but the fuselage aft of the wing leading edge is upside down. I also imagine kids have been using it as a play ground, so who knows what the configuration was at the time of the accident was -- and even that is an assumption. Given the location it could have been a tornado or hurricane that wrecked this airplane while parked. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: GSIO 540-B1A
Date: Dec 04, 2006
Jerry, This doesn't sound good! I may have you covered. Call me at work: 310.536.0100 Regards, Moe Sister ship N680RR -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sprayberry Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: GSIO 540-B1A Doe's anyone know of any GSIO 540-B1A Engine that is for sale. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 04, 2006
Subject: Re: GSIO 540-B1A
I have one in my garage, ask Morris about it has like 500 since Mayor I fro my 560Fwas keeping it for my 560F AB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GSIO 540-B1A
Date: Dec 04, 2006
Could someone give me Morris contact number, I have misplaced mine. Thanks. >From: N560WM(at)aol.com >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: GSIO 540-B1A >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:35:26 EST > >I have one in my garage, ask Morris about it has like 500 since Mayor I >fro >my 560Fwas keeping it for my 560F > >AB > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: GSIO 540-B1A
Date: Dec 04, 2006
Morris phone # 321.403.8813 Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Sprayberry Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: GSIO 540-B1A Could someone give me Morris contact number, I have misplaced mine. Thanks. >From: N560WM(at)aol.com >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: GSIO 540-B1A >Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:35:26 EST > >I have one in my garage, ask Morris about it has like 500 since Mayor I >fro >my 560Fwas keeping it for my 560F > >AB > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 04, 2006
Subject: Re: gross weight
THANKS! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: new owner
Date: Dec 06, 2006
Hi Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to be retrofitted to shrikes? Cheers David Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 06, 2006
From: "Alan Kucheck" <akucheck(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: new owner
Congratulations, David! I'm sure you'll love your Shrike. As far as the Garmin 600: I spoke with the Garmin folks at the AOPA convention last month. They say the plan is for this to be *the* aftermarket equivaloent of the G1000 OEM solution. They want it everywhere. Alan On 12/6/06, David Fitzgerald wrote: > > Hi > > > Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S > VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! > > > Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to > be retrofitted to shrikes? > > > Cheers > > > David > > > Dr David Fitzgerald > > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > > CASA Medical Officer > > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > > DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com > > mob 0438 312973 > -- Date: 11/30/2006 > > -- > 12/5/2006 > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com>
Subject: new owner
Date: Dec 06, 2006
Hi David, Welcome to the commander family. I take it that you are in Tassie. The other Aussie flight group members are myself and in Sydney and Russell in Darwin. Please join the Twin Commander Flight Group as you will then have access to a wealth of information and be part of the group that supports Twin Commanders against the powers that be. The man to talk to is Jim Metzger at YOURTCFG(at)aol.com. As regards the Garmin 600 system. I recently tried to get one. Garmin are only supplying from the middle of next year and the price is about USD 29 000. They apparently have a large number of aircraft that can be retrofitted but are unable to tell me if any TCs are on their list. I would wait a while and see how good or bad they are once they come out. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzgerald Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: new owner Hi Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to be retrofitted to shrikes? Cheers David Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -- Date: 11/30/2006 -- 12/5/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Victor Fernandez" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com>
Subject: AC-500 prop O.H.
Date: Dec 06, 2006
Hello, I was wondering if I could get some help here. I'm in need of prop overhaul due to calendar, not hrs. I hear there is a propeller upgrade I can get on the plane but have not been able to get such information. These new props don't have the messy ad of downtime every 250 hrs. I would appreciate if anyone could help me in this matter since it's the first time I deal with such an issue. Any recommendations for the Fla. or Opa Locka area? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Victor HI-560-SP A/C 500 s/n778 MDLI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: AC-500 prop O.H.
Date: Dec 06, 2006
Mid florida Propeller 407 894-2412 ask for jeff or bill You can buy hubs that will allow you to to to 500HRS or five years. You can put three blade props on and the only person tha can do it is Morris Kernick 321 403 8813 Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Fernandez" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 prop O.H. > > > Hello, > I was wondering if I could get some help here. > I'm in need of prop overhaul due to calendar, not hrs. > I hear there is a propeller upgrade I can get on the plane but have not > been > able to get such information. These new props don't have the messy ad of > downtime every 250 hrs. > I would appreciate if anyone could help me in this matter since it's the > first time I deal with such an issue. > Any recommendations for the Fla. or Opa Locka area? > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks > Victor > HI-560-SP > A/C 500 s/n778 > MDLI > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject:
Date: Dec 06, 2006
625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 $B!|(B Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) 536-0333 moe(at)rosspistons.com December 6, 2006 Fellow Commander Drivers: I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. Moe N 680RR 680F(p) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 06, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-500 prop O.H.
In a message dated 12/6/2006 1:46:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com writes: I hear there is a propeller upgrade I can get on the plane but have not been able to get such information Contact Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813 for information on three blade props. I have flow them and they work GREAT!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 06, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-500 prop O.H.
Harry, Have you been able to check and see if you have the fuel tank we talked about. Let me know -Gil 615-373-5703 or 615-371-5030 cp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: AC-500 prop O.H.
Date: Dec 07, 2006
hope you guys can appreciate this as much as I, even though non commander related... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU&mode=related&search -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Harry, Have you been able to check and see if you have the fuel tank we talked about. Let me know -Gil 615-373-5703 or 615-371-5030 cp
hope you guys can appreciate this as much as I, even though non commander related...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU&mode=related&search=

Harry, Have you been able to check and see if you have the fuel tank we talked about. Let me know -Gil 615-373-5703 or 615-371-5030 cp

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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: AC-500 prop O.H.
Date: Dec 06, 2006
I've never seen it fly but I've seen pictures. If I remember correctly, it's called a crie-crie or something to that effect in French. Fascinating. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-500 prop O.H. hope you guys can appreciate this as much as I, even though non commander related... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU&mode=related&search> &mode=related&search -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Harry, Have you been able to check and see if you have the fuel tank we talked about. Let me know -Gil 615-373-5703 or 615-371-5030 cp ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
mm, what is a newt meeting. mason >From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:10:10 -0800 > > >625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) >536-0333 > > >moe(at)rosspistons.com > > >December 6, 2006 > > >Fellow Commander Drivers: > > >I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. > > >Moe > >N 680RR > >680F(p) > ><< image002.gif >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: mander-List:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Well, over here a Newt is a small lizard-like aquatic animal and I think a protected species. So, I hope the inference isn't that TCFG Fly-In attendees are regarded as pond life ;-) Best Regards, Barry P.S. I think it's really a typo for "next" ;-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: mm, what is a newt meeting. mason >From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:10:10 -0800 > > >625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 o Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) >536-0333 > > >moe(at)rosspistons.com > > >December 6, 2006 > > >Fellow Commander Drivers: > > >I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. > > >Moe > >N 680RR > >680F(p) > ><< image002.gif >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Hi Mason, Sorry, I don't understand the question. What is newt? Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON Chevaillier Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:18 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: mm, what is a newt meeting. mason >From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:10:10 -0800 > > >625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) >536-0333 > > >moe(at)rosspistons.com > > >December 6, 2006 > > >Fellow Commander Drivers: > > >I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. > > >Moe > >N 680RR > >680F(p) > ><< image002.gif >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Subject: Re: mander-List:
In a message dated 07-Dec-06 05:29:45 Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Well, over here a Newt is a small lizard-like aquatic animal and I think a protected species. So, I hope the inference isn't that TCFG Fly-In attendees are regarded as pond life ;-) Given that our Fearless Leader - Capt. JimBob - is the Patron Saint of Iguanas, I think Moe knows exactly what the next TCFG Fly-In is all about. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Subject: Re:
Moe, I'm sure someone as picked these up but if not, I can sure use them. Dinner is on me+. Ken Hyde ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Hey Moe, This sounds like the guy who advertised "Complete Encyclopedia for sale. No longer needed. Wife now knows everything." Bilbo :>) > >I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. > > >Moe > >N 680RR > >680F(p) > ><< image002.gif >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Ken, You were the first serious reply. Email your mailing address to moe(at)rosspistons.com and I will get them off. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KenWHyde(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Moe, I'm sure someone as picked these up but if not, I can sure use them. Dinner is on me+. Ken Hyde ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Hey Barry, Don't you chaps use "eye of newt" for something? bilbo Well, over here a Newt is a small lizard-like aquatic animal and I think a protected species. So, I hope the inference isn't that TCFG Fly-In attendees are regarded as pond life ;-) Best Regards, Barry P.S. I think it's really a typo for "next" ;-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: mm, what is a newt meeting. mason >From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:10:10 -0800 > > >625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 o Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) >536-0333 > > >moe(at)rosspistons.com > > >December 6, 2006 > > >Fellow Commander Drivers: > > >I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. > > >Moe > >N 680RR > >680F(p) > ><< image002.gif >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Wait for Bilbo to reply .......... "Get what off? ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ken, You were the first serious reply. Email your mailing address to moe(at)rosspistons.com and I will get them off. Regards, Moe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KenWHyde(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:29 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Moe, I'm sure someone as picked these up but if not, I can sure use them. Dinner is on me+. Ken Hyde www.aeroelectric.comwww.kitlog.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Comm ander-List ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: mander-List:
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Hi Bilbo, Well, I think that's from Shakespeare's Three Witches in Macbeth: First Witch: Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble. Second Witch: Fillet of a fenny snake, In the cauldron boil and bake; Eye of newt, and toe of frog, Wool of bat, and tongue of dog, Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing, For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble. Oh heck, OK, I cheated and did a Google search. Never read much Shakespeare. Not aware he wrote many aviation books. We also use "Newt" as slang when somebody has too much to drink and say "He was as p*ssed as a Newt". Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hey Barry, Don't you chaps use "eye of newt" for something? bilbo Well, over here a Newt is a small lizard-like aquatic animal and I think a protected species. So, I hope the inference isn't that TCFG Fly-In attendees are regarded as pond life ;-) Best Regards, Barry P.S. I think it's really a typo for "next" ;-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: mm, what is a newt meeting. mason >From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:10:10 -0800 > > >625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 o Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) >536-0333 > > >moe(at)rosspistons.com > > >December 6, 2006 > > >Fellow Commander Drivers: > > >I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. > > >Moe > >N 680RR > >680F(p) > ><< image002.gif >> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 07, 2006
Subject: Re: mander-List:
In a message dated 12/7/2006 7:41:23 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes: is the Patron Saint of Iguanas, I think Moe knows exactly what the next TCFG Fly-In is all about. Awh yes, the next fly-in will newt be about Iguanas!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 08, 2006
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors
Dear Listers, I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email this weekend. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Dec 08, 2006
Be careful Sir Barry, Gathering TCFG members together for a 'Flyin' has sometimes been referred to (more than once over the years) with the same difficulty associated with 'herding frogs'...surely these are found alive in ponds... Can't remember who uses the term though!! Just a thought from Downunder! Russell ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:39:14 -0500 >From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> >Subject: RE: Commander-List: >To: > > >Hey Barry, >Don't you chaps use "eye of newt" for something? > >bilbo > >Well, over here a Newt is a small lizard-like aquatic animal and I think a >protected species. > >So, I hope the inference isn't that TCFG Fly-In attendees are regarded as >pond >life ;-) > >Best Regards, >Barry >P.S. I think it's really a typo for "next" ;-)) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> >To: >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:17 PM >Subject: RE: Commander-List: > > > >mm, what is a newt meeting. mason > > >>From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> >>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >>To: >>Subject: Commander-List: Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:10:10 -0800 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 o Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) >>536-0333 >> >> >>moe(at)rosspistons.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>December 6, 2006 >> >> >> >>Fellow Commander Drivers: >> >> >> >>I have a complete set of new current Jepp IFR Area Charts and Low Altitude >>Enroute Charts for the entire United States including the trick plastic >>chart holders for the Enroute Charts. If you would like to have these free >>and postpaid, email me. The trick is, you must PROMISE to take me and my >>lovely wife to dinner at the newt Twin Commander Flight Group get together. >> >> >> >>Moe >> >>N 680RR >> >>680F(p) >> >><< image002.gif >> > > >_- ================================================ ========== >_- ================================================ ========== >_- ================================================ ========== > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 08, 2006
Subject: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1(at)aol.com615-373-5703
0r 625-310=5030 c.p. Help, looking for a right forward aux tank for my 680 commander. Would appreciate any info on new or servicable. Thanks, Gil Walker ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 08, 2006
Subject: Re: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1(at)aol.com615-373-57...
Thanks, believe I have found what I need. Thanks Gil ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: new owner
David, Welcome aboard. I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be much change out of AUD$100,000. Cheers, Bill Hamilton AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: >Hi > >Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of >AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! > >Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be >able to be retrofitted to shrikes? > >Cheers > >David > >Dr David Fitzgerald >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) >CASA Medical Officer >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer >Registrar in Occupational Medicine >DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com >mob 0438 312973 >-- Date: 11/30/2006 > >-- >12/5/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 09, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: AC-500 prop O.H.
Folks, That's the Cri-Cri, a French designed home built. One of the funniest airshow acts I have seen in Europe is the Brittany Ferries display tea, a Zlin 262 and three Cri-Cri's, doing a duck and ducklings aerobatic routine. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:18 PM 7/12/2006, you wrote: >hope you guys can appreciate this as much as I, even though non >commander related... > ><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU&mode=related&search>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU&mode=related&search >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com >Harry, Have you been able to check and see if you have the fuel tank >we talked about. Let me know -Gil 615-373-5703 or 615-371-5030 cp > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: new owner
Date: Dec 09, 2006
Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000 sounds a bit rich for the 600. Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner David, Welcome aboard. I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be much change out of AUD$100,000. Cheers, Bill Hamilton AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to be retrofitted to shrikes? Cheers David Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -- Date: 11/30/2006 -- 12/5/2006 "http://www.aeroelectric.com"www.aeroelectric.com "http://www.buildersbooks.com"www.buildersbooks.com "http://www.kitlog.com"www.kitlog.com "http://www.homebuilthelp.com"www.homebuilthelp.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Commander-List -- -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 08, 2006
Commander drivers; My Christmas came early, it came today. Harry and Mike drove up from Titusville to Griffin, GA., and installed a set of freshly overhauled props on my 560E with Capt. Jimbob's STC. It has been a long frustrating two years as various problems arose for both Harry and myself. Harry had a little problem getting the engines started as it has sat for some time with a dead battery, but he showed up with a new battery and two props. Now to get the annual done and I should be airborne. NO PROP AD's again. Merry Christmas Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 09, 2006
Subject: Re: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1(at)aol.com615-373-57...
In a message dated 12/8/2006 8:33:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com writes: Help, looking for a right forward aux tank for my 680 commander. Would appreciate any info on new or servicable. Thanks, Gil Walker Contact AERO-TECH-SERVICES 800-842-9387. They offer a 10% discount to TCFG members. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: new owner
Date: Dec 09, 2006
Dear David, Have you looked at the Chelton system ? I have it in my 690A . It includes forward looking 3D synthetic vision ,gps/waas, all is displayed on two flat screens with standby battery , all Primary Flight Instruments, plus more . This system works really well in the mountains . I shot an approach into Jackson Hole in light snow at night . All the terrain was depicted in perfect detail while I decended down through the IMC approach . ..The web site is www.cheltonsystems.com <http://www.cheltonsystems.com/> ..If you want see or talk to me my cell 310 386 8333 and we are based at kemt..Nick Martin N690DB -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzgerald Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: new owner Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000 sounds a bit rich for the 600. Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner David, Welcome aboard. I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be much change out of AUD$100,000. Cheers, Bill Hamilton AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to be retrofitted to shrikes? Cheers David Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -- Date: 11/30/2006 -- 12/5/2006 www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List www.aeroelectric.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: new owner
Date: Dec 09, 2006
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: new owner
Date: Dec 09, 2006
This link works better. http://www.cheltonflightsystems.com/default.htm Tylor Hall On Dec 9, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Nick Martin wrote: > Dear David, > > Have you looked at the Chelton system ? I have it in my 690A . It > includes forward looking 3D synthetic vision ,gps/waas, all is > displayed on two flat screens with standby battery , all Primary > Flight Instruments, plus more . This system works really well in > themountains . I shot an approach into Jackson Hole in light snow > at night . All the terrain was depicted in perfect detail while > Idecended down through the IMC approach . =85.The web site is > www.cheltonsystems.com =85.If you want see or talk to me my cell 310 > 386 8333 and we are based at kemt=85.Nick Martin N690DB > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner- > commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf OfDavid Fitzgerald > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:47 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: new owner > > > Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? > $100,000 sounds a bit rich for the 600. > > > Dr David Fitzgerald > > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > > CASA Medical Officer > > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > > DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com > > mob 0438 312973 > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner- > commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf OfW J R HAMILTON > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner > > > David, > Welcome aboard. > I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a > little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an > article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be > much change out of AUD$100,000. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) > > > At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: > > Hi > > Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of > AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! > > Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be > able to be retrofitted to shrikes? > > Cheers > > David > > Dr David Fitzgerald > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > CASA Medical Officer > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com > mob 0438 312973 > -- Date: 11/30/2006 > > -- > 12/5/2006 > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.kitlog.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > www.aeroelectric.com > * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com > * Aeroware Enterprises www.kitlog.com > * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com > List Contribution Web Site > --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > Thank you for your generous support! > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > - The Commander-List Email Forum - > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > Annual > ======================== Matronics > ======================== > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: new owner
Date: Dec 09, 2006
David- Ah- it must be your 690 that we saw images of when selecting the system for installation in our 685.... We aren't flying yet- but getting there. I was impressed by the terrain display features, HITS and the conformal display of TCAS targets on the PFD as well. Can't wait to get this system into the air. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Martin Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 09:15 Subject: RE: Commander-List: new owner Dear David, Have you looked at the Chelton system ? I have it in my 690A . It includes forward looking 3D synthetic vision ,gps/waas, all is displayed on two flat screens with standby battery , all Primary Flight Instruments, plus more . This system works really well in the mountains . I shot an approach into Jackson Hole in light snow at night . All the terrain was depicted in perfect detail while I decended down through the IMC approach . ..The web site is www.cheltonsystems.com <http://www.cheltonsystems.com/> ..If you want see or talk to me my cell 310 386 8333 and we are based at kemt..Nick Martin N690DB -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzgerald Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: new owner Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000 sounds a bit rich for the 600. Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner David, Welcome aboard. I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be much change out of AUD$100,000. Cheers, Bill Hamilton AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to be retrofitted to shrikes? Cheers David Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -- Date: 11/30/2006 -- 12/5/2006 www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List www.aeroelectric.com * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com * Aeroware Enterprises www.kitlog.com * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com List Contribution Web Site --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The Commander-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List __________ NOD32 1913 (20061209) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: new owner
Date: Dec 09, 2006
Gents- I think Bill might be seeing the pricing for the G1000/STec combination in the KingAir- that was a bit more than "two months salary." The G600 pricing information that I've seen has hovered around $29000 for the setup- but it is unclear if this is one, or two screens. (I'm assuming one.) It does not include installation, etc... My shop seemed to think the initial price to market was a bit low- and it would wind up coming in around $35,000/screen. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzgerald Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 20:47 Subject: RE: Commander-List: new owner Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000 sounds a bit rich for the 600. Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner David, Welcome aboard. I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be much change out of AUD$100,000. Cheers, Bill Hamilton AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be able to be retrofitted to shrikes? Cheers David Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 -- Date: 11/30/2006 -- 12/5/2006 www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List -- 12/8/2006 -- 12/8/2006 __________ NOD32 1912 (20061209) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Props
Date: Dec 09, 2006
Don Congrats! We are also prop AD free... Brent - 560E N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> Commander drivers; My Christmas came early, it came today. Harry and Mike drove up from Titusville to Griffin, GA., and installed a set of freshly overhauled props on my 560E with Capt. Jimbob's STC. It has been a long frustrating two years as various problems arose for both Harry and myself. Harry had a little problem getting the engines started as it has sat for some time with a dead battery, but he showed up with a new battery and two props. Now to get the annual done and I should be airborne. NO PROP AD's again. Merry Christmas Don
Don Congrats! We are also prop AD free...

Brent - 560E N224HA

Commander drivers;

My Christmas came early, it came today. Harry and Mike drove up from Titusville to Griffin, GA., and installed a set of freshly overhauled props on my 560E with Capt. Jimbob's STC. It has been a long frustrating two years as various problems arose for both Harry and myself. Harry had a little problem getting the engines started as it has sat for some time with a dead battery, but he showed up with a new battery and two props. Now to get the annual done and I should be airborne. NO PROP AD's again.

Merry Christmas

Don

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From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 10, 2006
Subject: Re:
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Date: Dec 11, 2006
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: new owner
David, I will see if I can find the AWST article, but it was the "aftermarket version" as quoted for the first STC, for the big Kingairs. I nearly feel of the proverbial chair when I say the price. If you want to talk to me direct, my mobile is 0408 876 526, best email: Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:47 PM 9/12/2006, you wrote: >Were you looking at the G1000 or the 600 for the King air? $100,000 >sounds a bit rich for the 600. > >Dr David Fitzgerald >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) >CASA Medical Officer >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer >Registrar in Occupational Medicine >DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com >mob 0438 312973 > >---------- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON >Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:50 PM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: new owner > >David, >Welcome aboard. >I have had a look at the proposed pricing for the Kingair, just a >little frightening, as I recall the figures quoted by Garmin in an >article in Aviation Week and Space Technology, there would not be >much change out of AUD$100,000. >Cheers, >Bill Hamilton >AC500A ZK-DCF (but based in Sydney) > > >At 07:04 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote: > >Hi > >Just like to mention to the list that I am the proud new owner of >AC500S VH-EXC S/N 3251 !! > >Also, does anyone know whether the new Garmin 600 system will be >able to be retrofitted to shrikes? > >Cheers > >David > >Dr David Fitzgerald >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) >CASA Medical Officer >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer >Registrar in Occupational Medicine >DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com >mob 0438 312973 >-- Date: 11/30/2006 > >-- >12/5/2006 > > >www.aeroelectric.com > >www.kitlog.com > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > >www.aeroelectric.com ><http://www.buildersbooks.com>www.buildersbooks.com ><http://www.matronics.com/contribution>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > Glenalmond Management Pty.,Ltd. ACN000759982 & Glenalmond Engineering. 16 Glenview St., Gordon, NSW, Australia, 2072 - Phone: +61 (0)2 9499 8283 Fax: +61 (0)2 9418 2758 CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to: Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 11, 2006
Subject: Re: Props
What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 11, 2006
Subject: Re: Right,forward Aux fuel tank- wingflyer1(at)aol.com615-373-57...
Thanks, I have contacted them already. Gil ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
From: budplaster(at)aol.com
Gil, Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!! Bud Plaster -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Given the prop problems I'm having, would this be applicable to a 520 (probably)..... Bruce N4186B From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of budplaster(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Gil, Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!! Bud Plaster -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 11, 2006
Subject: Re: Props
Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference. thanks... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil
Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference.

thanks...

b

Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil

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From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh overhaul. I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't as fortunate in that respect as Bud. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference. thanks... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12/9/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
This is probably of little use to the group, but. The AD on mine is 5 years or 500 hours. I considered eliminating the AD on my props(2 blade) on my 500A. It would cost $5,000./prop. The prop guy pointed out that, at 100 hours per year, I would be throwing money away. Again, this is on an original 500A. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh overhaul. I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't as fortunate in that respect as Bud. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Heard of several options regarding old props, does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference. thanks... b -------------- Original message -------------- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List _____ Date: 12/9/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
I'm a little confused, when Harry put my new props on, I asked about the value of the old ones and was told they were worthless, had no value. Mine were out of calendar time, but otherwise OK as far as I know. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: budplaster(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props Gil, Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!! Bud Plaster -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Props What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the AD`s. Gil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 12/9/2006 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? Gary Moshluk aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 11, 2006
(divorce - but kept the Commander) Good trade, Gary _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Commander-List: Props I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? Gary Moshluk aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 12, 2006
I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking to Hatzell today. The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls. There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it. Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps. b -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> (divorce - but kept the Commander) Good trade, Gary From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Commander-List: Props I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing. I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar. I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? Gary Moshluk aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!) www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking to Hatzell today. The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls. There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it.

Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps.

b

(divorce - but kept the Commander)

Good trade, Gary

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: Commander-List: Props

I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing.

I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled @ H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired. Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander). I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar.

I live on an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time. About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service. Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD????

Gary Moshluk

aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)

www.aeroelectric.com
www.kitlog.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List

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From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Info
Date: Dec 11, 2006
Hey Guys I have a question, when Chris ran the list, and I think maybe it was Milt who had the info, but it was all the info about the various engines on the Commander, TBO's and all the specs. It that still available some where and if so where. Don ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Props
Date: Dec 12, 2006
From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
I ended up having to do this for N2760B - ~$25K each. She has the GO480-DIA (lower HP) engines and the Queen Air prop conversion wouldn't work. We looked 2yrs for a reconditioned set and there simply were none we could find that passed inspection. High price and long lead time but glad it's done - no more AD's. Think Hartzell mined the aluminum ore by hand for these - given cost and time it took! :) Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:06 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Props I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking to Hatzell today. The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls. There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it. Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps. b ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Subject: Re: Props
Good trade Gary, the only problem that i see (divorce) is you have to reach soo far around to kiss the nose. Ha Ha ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Aero Commander 720
From: "shashby79er" <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best place for quick Commander info and connections. There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? Thanks SHAWN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 12, 2006
From: budplaster(at)aol.com
Shawn, Welcome. This is truly a wonderful site that is helpful, beneficial and enjoyable to the current and future Commander owners. I do not know this machine. However, the first critical thing you need to find out is if it can be ferried to a site where work can take place. That is, unless you have available hangar space at KTOA. I purchased a 560E that had been sitting unmoved and exposed to the weather in Compton, Ca. for nine years. Getting it flyable so it could begin a six year restoration was an arduous and costly task.....worth evey minute and dollar spent. Buddy -----Original Message----- From: shashby79er(at)yahoo.com Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best place for quick Commander info and connections. There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? Thanks SHAWN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Shawn, If this is the airplane I think it is, the pressurization system has been removed (among other things) and I think it would be a VERY long, VERY expensive restoration project. There are a couple of people who have looked at it and passed. For what it needs, you might want to save some money and buy a new Eclipse or TBM 700 instead. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "shashby79er" <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > > Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best > place for quick Commander info and connections. > > There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K > > does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, > previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was > last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. > > Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? > Thanks > SHAWN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Or a Commander ! Nicolas E. Martin Martin Container, Inc. 1402 E. Lomita Blvd. Wilmington, Ca 90748 Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562 -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Shawn, If this is the airplane I think it is, the pressurization system has been removed (among other things) and I think it would be a VERY long, VERY expensive restoration project. There are a couple of people who have looked at it and passed. For what it needs, you might want to save some money and buy a new Eclipse or TBM 700 instead. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "shashby79er" <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > > Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best > place for quick Commander info and connections. > > There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K > > does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, > previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was > last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. > > Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? > Thanks > SHAWN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 12, 2006
"Eclipse or TBM 700" BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Shawn, If this is the airplane I think it is, the pressurization system has been removed (among other things) and I think it would be a VERY long, VERY expensive restoration project. There are a couple of people who have looked at it and passed. For what it needs, you might want to save some money and buy a new Eclipse or TBM 700 instead. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "shashby79er" <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > > Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best > place for quick Commander info and connections. > > There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K > > does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, > previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was > last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. > > Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? > Thanks > SHAWN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: off topic
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Here is a free opportunity to say Thanks. http://www.letssaythanks.com/Home1024.html ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720
From: "shashby79er" <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Thanks for the responses.... I have not looked at it yet... but I am aware that others have looked.. and have passed... I am aware of it's NTSB damage history and I also know about the camera door and the pressurization being removed. Since it's a 720 I thought it would be an interesting and rewarding restoration project..pressurization or not. Just looking for background info.. other than the information I can get from the current owner. Complete aircraft with a Solid airframe is key... ferriable is second in line... SHAWN gathering information for a reckless monetary decision... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81106#81106 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720 [bcc][faked-from]
Date: Dec 12, 2006
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Shawn: I spoke to the owner one day, about two years ago. Just poking my head in the door, I was appalled by the overall state of the airframe, but impressed with the work (love) he was putting into it. For the best rumors on the field about it, talk to Bill at Rolling Hills Aviation. Budget some serious time (Bill loves to talk) and tell him I told you to verify all information (including anything he tells you about me). :) Brock Lorber -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of shashby79er Sent: Tue 12/12/2006 2:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Aero Commander 720 [bcc][faked-from] Thanks for the responses.... I have not looked at it yet... but I am aware that others have looked.. and have passed... I am aware of it's NTSB damage history and I also know about the camera door and the pressurization being removed. Since it's a 720 I thought it would be an interesting and rewarding restoration project..pressurization or not. Just looking for background info.. other than the information I can get from the current owner. Complete aircraft with a Solid airframe is key... ferriable is second in line... SHAWN gathering information for a reckless monetary decision... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81106#81106 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Sorry, I should have said "a NEWER Commander!" but I was just trying to illustrate a (price) point. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > "Eclipse or TBM 700" > BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:00 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > > Shawn, > > If this is the airplane I think it is, the pressurization system has been > removed (among other things) and I think it would be a VERY long, VERY > expensive restoration project. There are a couple of people who have > looked > at it and passed. For what it needs, you might want to save some money and > buy a new Eclipse or TBM 700 instead. > > /John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "shashby79er" <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:05 AM > Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > >> >> >> Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best >> place for quick Commander info and connections. >> >> There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K >> >> does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, >> previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was >> last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. >> >> Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? >> Thanks >> SHAWN >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ >> >> >> >> >> __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ >> >> >> > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > __________ NOD32 1916 (20061212) Information __________ > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 12, 2006
Shawn, Where are you located? I am about 10 miles from TOA. Also I have the repair manual of the 720 Alta Cruiser. I will be in Florida for a week, if you want I can go have a "look see" week after next. Moe N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of budplaster(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Shawn, Welcome. This is truly a wonderful site that is helpful, beneficial and enjoyable to the current and future Commander owners. I do not know this machine. However, the first critical thing you need to find out is if it can be ferried to a site where work can take place. That is, unless you have available hangar space at KTOA. I purchased a 560E that had been sitting unmoved and exposed to the weather in Compton, Ca. for nine years. Getting it flyable so it could begin a six year restoration was an arduous and costly task.....worth evey minute and dollar spent. Buddy -----Original Message----- From: shashby79er(at)yahoo.com Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best place for quick Commander info and connections. There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? Thanks SHAWN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 12, 2006
From: Shawn Ashby <shashby79er(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Aero Commander 720
HI Moe>> I was going to look at it sometime later in the month... the owner is out of town starting the 18th... I'm located in SanLuis Obispo, CA KSBP. I'm pretty sure the plane is still parked at or near Rolling hills aviation in Torrance. It would be a big help to look at it with the help of a Commander efficiannato... or to just have someone stop by and gather intel for me. before I spend a day driving or flying down to see it. Lets keep in touch SHAWN Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Shawn, Where are you located? I am about 10 miles from TOA. Also I have the repair manual of the 720 Alta Cruiser. I will be in Florida for a week, if you want I can go have a look see week after next. Moe N680RR 680F(p) --------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of budplaster(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:30 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Shawn, Welcome. This is truly a wonderful site that is helpful, beneficial and enjoyable to the current and future Commander owners. I do not know this machine. However, the first critical thing you need to find out is if it can be ferried to a site where work can take place. That is, unless you have available hangar space at KTOA. I purchased a 560E that had been sitting unmoved and exposed to the weather in Compton, Ca. for nine years. Getting it flyable so it could begin a six year restoration was an arduous and costly task.....worth evey minute and dollar spent. Buddy -----Original Message----- From: shashby79er(at)yahoo.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best place for quick Commander info and connections. There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? Thanks SHAWN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 --------------------------------- size=2 width="100%" align=center> www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 500S issues
Date: Dec 12, 2006
I have two issues with my 1970 500S that my mechanic and I are troubleshooting. 1. Issue number one is when I turn on the electric fuel pump the pressure spikes about 20 higher than the green zone and floods the engine and the engine quits. This happens prior to take off before the throttle is advanced and also on downwind when the throttle is brought back in anticipation of landing. As soon as the pump is turned off, the engine returns to normal. Any response will be greatly appreciated. 2. The second issue is a hydraulic leak associated with the accumulator. After each flight there is fluid around the upper and lower fitting. Is this unit something that can be overhauled or repaired? 3. As a follow up to the broken door hinge. We received a replacement of the hinge =BD that had broken for a cost of $950.00. We were unable to remove the broken hinge from the door without having to take the entire door apart so my mechanic was able to reweld the broken hinge. Apparently it had been welded twice before and it is questionable if the new weld will hold. We are keeping the new hinge just in case we need it in the future. If the hinge =BD is $950.00 I would hate to think of what a new door would cost. For that matter, to make a new plane would probably be in the neighborhood of a CJ. Have at it guys, I am counting on you for your expertise.. Don ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 12, 2006
From: "phillip stubbs" <jps333(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720
If that's the one that was on Ebay amonth or so ago then I think Morris said he knew right much about it. It would be woth the expense to get his appraisal. Phil On 12/12/06, Shawn Ashby wrote: > > HI Moe>> > I was going to look at it sometime later in the month... the owner is out > of town starting the 18th... I'm located in SanLuis Obispo, CA KSBP. > > I'm pretty sure the plane is still parked at or near Rolling hills > aviation in Torrance. It would be a big help to look at it with the help > of a Commander efficiannato... or to just have someone stop by and gather > intel for me. before I spend a day driving or flying down to see it. > Lets keep in touch > SHAWN > > *Moe - Ross Racing Pistons * wrote: > > Shawn, > > Where are you located? I am about 10 miles from TOA. Also I have the > repair manual of the 720 Alta Cruiser. > > I will be in Florida for a week, if you want I can go have a "look see" > week after next. > > Moe > N680RR > 680F(p) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > budplaster(at)aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:30 AM > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > > Shawn, > > Welcome. This is truly a wonderful site that is helpful, beneficial and > enjoyable to the current and future Commander owners. I do not know this > machine. However, the first critical thing you need to find out is if it can > be ferried to a site where work can take place. That is, unless you have > available hangar space at KTOA. > I purchased a 560E that had been sitting unmoved and exposed to the > weather in Compton, Ca. for nine years. Getting it flyable so it could begin > a six year restoration was an arduous and costly task.....worth evey minute > and dollar spent. > Buddy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: shashby79er(at)yahoo.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 8:05 AM > Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > shashby79er(at)yahoo.com > > > Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best > place > for quick Commander info and connections. > > There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K > > does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, > previous > owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was last flown > regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. > > Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? > Thanks > SHAWN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 > > > ------------------------------ > size=2 width="100%" align=center> > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *www.aeroelectric.com* > > *www.kitlog.com* > > ** > > ** > > * > > > * > > -- J. Phillip Stubbs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: Public Auction - Aero Commander 685 Twin Aircraft VH-FVJ
(Our Ref: P.310)
Date: Dec 12, 2006
My OZ biz associate and I are investigating this aircraft for investment and would ask the list to comment on knowledge, etc. I have a specification list with pics but it is 2MB and can only send direct to you if any of you if you can advise. So reply with off list email and I will send. Thanks for any and all help. We have until 2/07 to make our decision so no need to break any legs out there. Steve Gilson Ex AC500 owner Now Bonanza E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany -- -- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: The 720
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Pardon me for trying to boiling this down to the most fundamental element$, but..... You are looking at a high powered Commander, the 720, with no pressurization. That description could fit a number of airplanes "on the block" right now. http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?catid=9 <http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?catid=9&man=COMMANDER&g uid=59AACC8C2FC94841854D3FC7ED713A5E> &man=COMMANDER&guid=59AACC8C2FC94841854D3FC7ED713A5E There are airplanes available here for less than $90,000 that were not designed with pressurization. It would be a lot cheaper to resurrect (if required) one of these airplanes that may not require as much "tweaking."(Money) as the 720. Personally, I'm not to sure about the value of the pressurization system on a piston Commander, if the system is not working. bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The 720
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Without the pressurization system the 720 is a 680E. Ask JimBob what he thinks of those ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: Commander-List: The 720 Pardon me for trying to boiling this down to the most fundamental element$, but..... You are looking at a high powered Commander, the 720, with no pressurization. That description could fit a number of airplanes "on the block" right now. http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/list.asp?catid=9&man=COMMA NDER&guid=59AACC8C2FC94841854D3FC7ED713A5E There are airplanes available here for less than $90,000 that were not designed with pressurization. It would be a lot cheaper to resurrect (if required) one of these airplanes that may not require as much "tweaking."(Money) as the 720. Personally, I'm not to sure about the value of the pressurization system on a piston Commander, if the system is not working. bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Aero Commander 720
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Shawn, Stay in touch. Regards, Moe _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Ashby Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 HI Moe>> I was going to look at it sometime later in the month... the owner is out of town starting the 18th... I'm located in SanLuis Obispo, CA KSBP. I'm pretty sure the plane is still parked at or near Rolling hills aviation in Torrance. It would be a big help to look at it with the help of a Commander efficiannato... or to just have someone stop by and gather intel for me. before I spend a day driving or flying down to see it. Lets keep in touch SHAWN Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote: Shawn, Where are you located? I am about 10 miles from TOA. Also I have the repair manual of the 720 Alta Cruiser. I will be in Florida for a week, if you want I can go have a "look see" week after next. Moe N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of budplaster(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 Shawn, Welcome. This is truly a wonderful site that is helpful, beneficial and enjoyable to the current and future Commander owners. I do not know this machine. However, the first critical thing you need to find out is if it can be ferried to a site where work can take place. That is, unless you have available hangar space at KTOA. I purchased a 560E that had been sitting unmoved and exposed to the weather in Compton, Ca. for nine years. Getting it flyable so it could begin a six year restoration was an arduous and costly task.....worth evey minute and dollar spent. Buddy -----Original Message----- From: shashby79er(at)yahoo.com Sent: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 8:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander 720 > Hello My name is Shawn... new to the list... figured this was the best place for quick Commander info and connections. There's an Aero Commander 720 in Torrance, CA KTOA N138K does anyone know anything about this particular airplane? history, previous owners maybe insight into it's condition. I do know it was last flown regualarly in 83-84 ferried in '86 and again in '96. Any 720 or 680E owners out there with advice? Thanks SHAWN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81035#81035 _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center> www.aeroelectric.com www.kitlog.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Subject: Fwd: Fw: A letter from Jesus
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From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Subject: N47RR 680FLP 1964 1477-5
Merry Christmas to all, I am wondering if anyone knows the deal with the 680FLP MR. RPM that is forsale on ebay. I've scene this one forsale on several occasions, does anyone know what the problem is? Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Subject: Re: Aero Commander 720
In a message dated 12/12/2006 2:06:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, shashby79er(at)yahoo.com writes: SHAWN gathering information for a reckless monetary decision... SHAWN, CALL ME AT 360-903-6901 Jim Metzger Director, TCFG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Subject: Re: N47RR 680FLP 1964 1477-5
Disregard, I just remembered what the deal was. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: N47RR 680FLP 1964 1477-5
Date: Dec 13, 2006
It for sale and is located in titusvile, FL Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: N47RR 680FLP 1964 1477-5 Merry Christmas to all, I am wondering if anyone knows the deal with the 680FLP MR. RPM that is forsale on ebay. I've scene this one forsale on several occasions, does anyone know what the problem is? Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: IA or A&P
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Date: Dec 13, 2006
I have a friend in Mississippi considering buying a composite experimental Located at Cameron Airpark, Cameron Park Calif. It will need a pre-buy/condition inspection. Anyone interested or know of anybody interested please let me know. -------- Milt N395V F1 Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=81338#81338 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 13, 2006
Subject: Re: N47RR 680FLP 1964 1477-5
I remembered some discussion about this one and it finally registered, it was about the intake tube on the right front and the speculation on what it was for. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 14, 2006
From: todd(at)hindmarsh.us
Subject: Info
Try www.aerocommander.com and see if what you are looking for is there. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Commander-List: Info > From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> > Date: Mon, December 11, 2006 5:27 pm > To: > > Hey Guys I have a question, when Chris ran the list, and I think maybe it was Milt who had the info, but it was all the info about the various engines on the Commander, TBO's and all the specs. It that still available some where and if so where. Don > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 14, 2006
Subject: Re: N47RR 680FLP 1964 1477-5
Yes, they are asking too much for it! I have seen it and it does not appear to be a bad airplane. Bill Leff ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Info
Date: Dec 14, 2006
I could not find it on this side Todd, I am looking for the info including the TBO's for the GO 480. It used to be on the site when Chris ran it. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: <todd(at)hindmarsh.us> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Info > > Try www.aerocommander.com and see if what you are looking for is there. > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Commander-List: Info >> From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> >> Date: Mon, December 11, 2006 5:27 pm >> To: >> >> Hey Guys I have a question, when Chris ran the list, and I think >> maybe it was Milt who had the info, but it was all the info about the >> various engines on the Commander, TBO's and all the specs. It that still >> available some where and if so where. Don >> >> >> > > > -- > 12/13/2006 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 14, 2006
Subject: Re: Info
In a message dated 12/14/2006 2:15:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dongirod(at)bellsouth.net writes: TBO's for the GO 480. 1400 hrs. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Engines
Date: Dec 15, 2006
See if this is what you are looking for. I found it in my commander archives of about 5 years ago. http://www.teletuition.org/documents/SSP-393Certificated <http://www.teletuition.org/documents/SSP-393Certificated%20Engine%20List.ht m> Engine List.htm Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Info In a message dated 12/14/2006 2:15:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dongirod(at)bellsouth.net writes: TBO's for the GO 480. 1400 hrs. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 500S issues
Date: Dec 15, 2006
-----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: Commander-List: 500S issues I have two issues with my 1970 500S that my mechanic and I are troubleshooting. 1. Issue number one is when I turn on the electric fuel pump the pressure spikes about 20 higher than the green zone and floods the engine and the engine quits. This happens prior to take off before the throttle is advanced and also on downwind when the throttle is brought back in anticipation of landing. As soon as the pump is turned off, the engine returns to normal. Any response will be greatly appreciated. 2. The second issue is a hydraulic leak associated with the accumulator. After each flight there is fluid around the upper and lower fitting. Is this unit something that can be overhauled or repaired? 3. As a follow up to the broken door hinge. We received a replacement of the hinge =BD that had broken for a cost of $950.00. We were unable to remove the broken hinge from the door without having to take the entire door apart so my mechanic was able to reweld the broken hinge. Apparently it had been welded twice before and it is questionable if the new weld will hold. We are keeping the new hinge just in case we need it in the future. If the hinge =BD is $950.00 I would hate to think of what a new door would cost. For that matter, to make a new plane would probably be in the neighborhood of a CJ. Have at it guys, I am counting on you for your expertise.. Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: 500S issues
Date: Dec 15, 2006
Don, You may have to settle for, not getting any bad info. So it may not be a particularly bad thing. Re#1 and #2: Sounds to me there is a pressure regulator that is not regulating. See if John Towner might have a thought johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com . Re #3: Mine has been welded and I know Gary Tillman was looking for one a few years ago when his broke. I found him a used one then but, as I recall the price was close to what you paid. bilbo I have two issues with my 1970 500S that my mechanic and I are troubleshooting. 1. Issue number one is when I turn on the electric fuel pump the pressure spikes about 20 higher than the green zone and floods the engine and the engine quits. This happens prior to take off before the throttle is advanced and also on downwind when the throttle is brought back in anticipation of landing. As soon as the pump is turned off, the engine returns to normal. Any response will be greatly appreciated. 2. The second issue is a hydraulic leak associated with the accumulator. After each flight there is fluid around the upper and lower fitting. Is this unit something that can be overhauled or repaired? 3. As a follow up to the broken door hinge. We received a replacement of the hinge =BD that had broken for a cost of $950.00. We were unable to remove the broken hinge from the door without having to take the entire door apart so my mechanic was able to reweld the broken hinge. Apparently it had been welded twice before and it is questionable if the new weld will hold. We are keeping the new hinge just in case we need it in the future. If the hinge =BD is $950.00 I would hate to think of what a new door would cost. For that matter, to make a new plane would probably be in the neighborhood of a CJ. Have at it guys, I am counting on you for your expertise.. Don (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com List Contribution Web Site --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! - The Commander-List Email Forum - ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com>
Date: Dec 18, 2006
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Subject: RE: Mr RPM
Date: Dec 18, 2006
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Subject: RE: Mr RPM
Date: Dec 18, 2006
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From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: RE:
Date: Dec 19, 2006
Mason, If no one has it, I bumped into Dick MacKoon a couple of days ago in Orlando, FL.. He would have the address. Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON Chevaillier Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: pls adv name and phone of group that bot MR RPM stc etc. tnx mason ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: Dec 19, 2006
mm, tnx got it. have a merry christmas and a great new year. look forward to seeing you there. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Commander-List: RE: > Mason, If no one has it, I bumped into Dick MacKoon a couple of days ago in Orlando, FL.. He would have the address. Moe -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON Chevaillier Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:04 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: > pls adv name and phone of group that bot MR RPM stc etc. tnx mason www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com/> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com/> www.kitlog.com<http://www.kitlog.com/> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Stupid Commander Tricks
Date: Dec 21, 2006
Kids, don't try this at home. Winds were ripping across the north-east past couple of days. Yesterday was rough, but we did see some pretty high ground speeds (only one-way though, never did understand why). We had a local job today, and winds were even higher than yesterday. I had to spiral up to altitude in a relatively still pocket out of the worst of it. Turning to the north-west the GPS showed a serious drop in ground speed. Big drop. I figured it might be fun to play a little and opened the cowl flaps and dropped out the flaps. The GPS dropped through 50kts, 40kts, 30kts as I kept pullling the nose up. I had always remembered my dad's goofy stories from old Zahns airport where he instructed, about flying cubs backwards. I had flown cubs slow, but never backwards. With the Commander held safely just above a gentle burble it dropped through the 20's and then I hunted a little bit with the nose to find the slowest sustained speed. We bottomed out at 15kts.... Never could get it to stop. Maybe next time. Man we had some heady numbers coming back home for a normally aspirated straight 500B at 7500. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kwanza, New Years. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Stupid Commander Tricks
Date: Dec 21, 2006
Lest prior post appear irresponsible, this was at 6000' agl. Ok? ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Commander-List: Stupid Commander Tricks Kids, don't try this at home. Winds were ripping across the north-east past couple of days. Yesterday was rough, but we did see some pretty high ground speeds (only one-way though, never did understand why). We had a local job today, and winds were even higher than yesterday. I had to spiral up to altitude in a relatively still pocket out of the worst of it. Turning to the north-west the GPS showed a serious drop in ground speed. Big drop. I figured it might be fun to play a little and opened the cowl flaps and dropped out the flaps. The GPS dropped through 50kts, 40kts, 30kts as I kept pullling the nose up. I had always remembered my dad's goofy stories from old Zahns airport where he instructed, about flying cubs backwards. I had flown cubs slow, but never backwards. With the Commander held safely just above a gentle burble it dropped through the 20's and then I hunted a little bit with the nose to find the slowest sustained speed. We bottomed out at 15kts.... Never could get it to stop. Maybe next time. Man we had some heady numbers coming back home for a normally aspirated straight 500B at 7500. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Kwanza, New Years. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 22, 2006
Subject: Re: Stupid Commander Tricks
In a message dated 21-Dec-06 18:13:41 Pacific Standard Time, steve2(at)sover.net writes: Lest prior post appear irresponsible, this was at 6000' agl. Ok? That IS irresponsible. I was hoping you were going to tell us you were able to land on the top of a semi-truck rolling down the highway -- going the opposite direction. By the way, I don't believe there is a Santa Claus or a tail wind. Both are myths they tell little children. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Mini Milestone
Date: Dec 22, 2006
Hi All, Milestone? Well sometimes it's more akin to a Millstone, but I thought I'd impart the fact to the Group that the number of records in my Twin Commander database has now reached the giddy heights of the 90,000 mark. OK - only three of them are correct, but I'm working on the other 89,997 ;-) I hope you all have a great time in the forthcoming Festive Season and send my Best Wishes for a Happy New Year. Kindest Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Stupid Commander Tricks
Date: Dec 22, 2006
I was going to try, but the semi's here in New England won't hold still and stop wriggling. ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Stupid Commander Tricks In a message dated 21-Dec-06 18:13:41 Pacific Standard Time, steve2(at)sover.net writes: Lest prior post appear irresponsible, this was at 6000' agl. Ok? That IS irresponsible. I was hoping you were going to tell us you were able to land on the top of a semi-truck rolling down the highway -- going the opposite direction. By the way, I don't believe there is a Santa Claus or a tail wind. Both are myths they tell little children. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 22, 2006
Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Gentlemen! I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last millennium. Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM? I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what -- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 22, 2006
Subject: Re: Mini Milestone
In a message dated 12/22/2006 10:06:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Twin Commander database has now reached the giddy heights of the 90,000 mark. YIPPEE!! Good job Merry Christmas!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 22, 2006
Wing Commander, V Speeds? Manual? I was told to go full power and to pull back when the airspeed was in the green arc. Gear up and go for Blue line. What more do you need? Kick tire, light the fire, and go like the wind? "Merry Christmas to all" Tylor Hall On Dec 22, 2006, at 12:42 PM, CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote: > Gentlemen! > > I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last > millennium. > > Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM? > > I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual > (what -- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the > performance speeds, I'd greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks in advance, > > Wing Commander Gordon > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 22, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-520 Vspeeds
In a message dated 22-Dec-06 16:45:29 Pacific Standard Time, tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes: I was told to go full power and to pull back when the airspeed was in the green arc. Gear up and go for Blue line. There's a Blue Line? :-) Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 22, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: AC-520 Vspeeds
That ain't right... =0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>=0AT o: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:03:44 P M=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 22-Dec-06 16:45:29 Pacific Standard Time, tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes: =0AI was told to go full power and to pull back when the airspeed was in th e green arc. Gear up and go for Blue line.=0AThere's a Blue Line? ===================0A=0A_______________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <DonGirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 22, 2006
I was told to go full power and to pull back when the airspeed was in the green arc. Gear up and go for Blue line. There's a Blue Line? :-) Wing Commander Gordon What ever happened to "full power, pull back at the end of the runway" gear up?Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 23, 2006
Hello Wing Commander! I have a Model 520 Flight Manual. I'm going to scan a couple of pages and Email them to you. Are you about to fly a 520? Sincere Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:42 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds Gentlemen! I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last millennium. Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM? I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what -- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Victor Fernandez" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com>
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Dec 23, 2006
Wishing everyone in the list a very Happy and Merry Christmas and a Happy New year. Best wishes to all and your loved ones. Sincere wishes, Victor Fernandez C. HI-560-SP MDLI _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: Mini Milestone Hi All, Milestone? Well sometimes it's more akin to a Millstone, but I thought I'd impart the fact to the Group that the number of records in my Twin Commander database has now reached the giddy heights of the 90,000 mark. OK - only three of them are correct, but I'm working on the other 89,997 ;-) I hope you all have a great time in the forthcoming Festive Season and send my Best Wishes for a Happy New Year. Kindest Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 23, 2006
Subject: Re: Mini Milestone
Merry Xmas and the best for the New year. Andy Bustillo N560WM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Mini Milestone
Date: Dec 23, 2006
Yes, Happy Holidays to all! Fly safely! /John ----- Original Message ----- From: N560WM(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mini Milestone Merry Xmas and the best for the New year. Andy Bustillo N560WM __________ NOD32 1935 (20061222) Information __________ __________ NOD32 1935 (20061222) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Dec 23, 2006
A Verrrry Merrrry Christmas and a Haaaaappy New Year Jim Addington N444BD 500A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 23, 2006
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas to all !!!=0A N69PT=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A____ .com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com>
Subject: Mini Milestone
Date: Dec 24, 2006
Greetings Jim and Sue, Hope you both have a wonderful Christmas and New Year. Thanks for all you have done and for being great friends. Lots of love Richard & Jacqui -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mini Milestone In a message dated 12/22/2006 10:06:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Twin Commander database has now reached the giddy heights of the 90,000 mark. YIPPEE!! Good job Merry Christmas!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Happy Holiday's in Commanderland
Date: Dec 24, 2006
Wishing you all the very best for this holiday season, with peace & harmony in the new year. Happy Flying..!!! Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Happy Holiday's in Commanderland
Date: Dec 24, 2006
Well it=92s 70=B0 F here and it looks like rain. :>( Oh well it=92s not about snow anyway. Merry Christmas to all. Maybe it sill fly this year. bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Commander-List: Happy Holiday's in Commanderland Wishing you all the very best for this holiday season, with peace & harmony in the new year. Happy Flying..!!! Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <DonGirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Dec 24, 2006
Commander Nuts! Merry Christmas from my house to yours. Hope you are able to enjoy the Peace and Joy of the Season. Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Happy Holiday's in Commanderland
Date: Dec 24, 2006
Wishing everyone a very merry little christmas & happy holidays. We have snow here in Minnesota, but not much, in an attempt to make a snowman you just may get a bit of dog doo doo mixed in. Merry Christmas Everyone b -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Well its 70 F here and it looks like rain. :>( Oh well its not about snow anyway. Merry Christmas to all. Maybe it sill fly this year. bilbo From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: Commander-List: Happy Holiday's in Commanderland Wishing you all the very best for this holiday season, with peace & harmony in the new year. Happy Flying..!!! Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X DettmerArchitecture 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com
Wishing everyone a very merry little christmas & happy holidays. We have snow here in Minnesota, but not much, in an attempt to make a snowman you just may get a bit of dog doo doo mixed in.

Merry Christmas Everyone

b

Well its 70 F here and it looks like rain. :>( Oh well its not about snow anyway.

Merry Christmas to all. Maybe it sill fly this year.

bilbo

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 10:43 AM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: Commander-List: Happy Holiday's in Commanderland

Wishing you all the very best for this holiday season, with peace & harmony in the new year. Happy Flying..!!!

Randy Dettmer

680F/N6253X

DettmerArchitecture

663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405

805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865

www.dettmerarchitecture.com

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Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 26, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
A few weirdnesses from the manual are: "Best Rate of climb" in the manual is 96 miles per hour, as is blue line, but climb speed is specified at 123. I've notices it climbs better at 123. ( I just hold it low after clearing obstacles, until I get there when conditions permit. Like a Fouga, whose Vy is 200 mph. Of course, maybe its just more fun). "landing approach" in the manual (not listed in the table) is 76 mph, well below Vmc (not that you *have* to hold speed above Vmc, btw, but it's not normal practice these days.) BTW, it settles beautifully at that speed, but of course you need the runway made, and go-arounds would be an emergency procedure. Gear 150 mph (That's what I use except in emergency . I think its actually specified higher, 186mph. ). Flaps up to =BD 150mph Flaps Full : 110mph. Vne = 260 mph (I've actually seen pretty close to it twice, once when being called into a search from a logistics mission (the coast guard doesn't hear speed two-fifteen we'll be there in 10 minutes very often, though they have a few fast fixed wing A/C), once during a check ride). It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce (N4186B) From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds Gentlemen! I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last millennium. Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM? I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what -- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 27, 2006
I have an original 520 maintainance manual. brownish in color with gold embossed letters and emblems. Anyway, if needed, let me know I can scan and send whatever u may need. b -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> A few weirdnesses from the manual are: Best Rate of climb in the manual is 96 miles per hour, as is blue line, but climb speed is specified at 123. Ive notices it climbs better at 123. ( I just hold it low after clearing obstacles, until I get there when conditions permit. Like a Fouga, whose Vy is 200 mph. Of course, maybe its just more fun). landing approach in the manual (not listed in the table) is 76 mph, well below Vmc (not that you *have* to hold speed above Vmc, btw, but its not normal practice these days.) BTW, it settles beautifully at that speed, but of course you need the runway made, and go-arounds would be an emergency procedure. Gear 150 mph (Thats what I use except in emergency . I think its actually specified higher, 186mph. ). Flaps up to 150mph Flaps Full : 110mph. Vne = 260 mph (Ive actually seen pretty close to it twice, once when being called into a search from a logistics mission (the coast guard doesnt hear speed two-fifteen well be there in 10 minutes very often, though they have a few fast fixed wing A/C), once during a check ride). It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce (N4186B) From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds Gentlemen! I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last millennium. Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM? I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what -- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Wing Commander Gordon www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.kitlog.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
I have an original 520 maintainance manual. brownish in color with gold embossed letters and emblems. Anyway, if needed, let me know I can scan and send whatever u may need.

b

A few weirdnesses from the manual are:

Best Rate of climb in the manual is 96 miles per hour, as is blue line, but climb speed is specified at 123. Ive notices it climbs better at 123. ( I just hold it low after clearing obstacles, until I get there when conditions permit. Like a Fouga, whose Vy is 200 mph. Of course, maybe its just more fun).

landing approach in the manual (not listed in the table) is 76 mph, well below Vmc (not that you *have*
to hold speed above Vmc, btw, but its not normal practice these days.) BTW, it settles beautifully at that speed, but of course you need the runway made, and go-arounds would be an emergency procedure.

Gear 150 mph (Thats what I use except in emergency . I think its actually specified higher, 186mph. ). Flaps up to 150mph Flaps Full : 110mph. Vne = 260 mph (Ive actually seen pretty close to it twice, once when being called into a search from a logistics mission (the coast guard doesnt hear speed two-fifteen well be there in 10 minutes very often, though they have a few fast fixed wing A/C), once during a check ride).

It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea.

As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical?

Bruce (N4186B)

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:43 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds

Gentlemen!

I haven't been around an AC-520 since the last decade of the last millennium.

Can anyone give me a list of V-speeds from the AFM?

I realize the V-speed nomenclature wasn't used when the manual (what -- all 4 pages?) was written, but if someone can list the performance speeds, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance,

Wing Commander Gordon

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From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 27, 2006
Subject: Re: AC-520 Vspeeds
In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce, and B, Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan of the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance speeds really -- just limitations. I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are. My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The last time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of the performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an article for a publication. Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ... charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were used as nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern check list for the early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the manuals. Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to our post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V speeds) concepts. Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse? >From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the evolution of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its sparse 4 pages and work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as many performance graphs (and V-speeds!) as a Boeing. Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a look! Happy New Year, Commanders! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 27, 2006
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
This brings up the question of what the spec'ed speeds are for the 560's and 500s. It would be very interesting to compare. Bruce (AC52 N4186B) From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce, and B, Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan of the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance speeds really -- just limitations. I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are. My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The last time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of the performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an article for a publication. Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ... charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were used as nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern check list for the early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the manuals. Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to our post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V speeds) concepts. Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse? >From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the evolution of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its sparse 4 pages and work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as many performance graphs (and V-speeds!) as a Boeing. Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a look! Happy New Year, Commanders! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: FW: holiday mishaps
Date: Dec 27, 2006
I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how I know. Steve G. E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany -----Original Message----- From: beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org [mailto:beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: B: holiday mishaps This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insurance about renewal of my policy. In the conversation, he revealed there were 34 GA accidents of one degree or another over the Christmas weekend. All makes, not just Beech. This figure does not include the 50 or so planes damaged at Embry Riddle. Henry disclosed most of the accidents were in the east where the winter storm was challenging. Compared to other years, this is a large number. Ed \ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: FW: holiday mishaps
Date: Dec 28, 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters which is where I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it). Any other former Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music it's not for the for everyone! Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I will scan the whole works, it's really great reading! b -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> > > I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, > but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get > thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how > I know. > > Steve G. > E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org > [mailto:beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM > To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org > Subject: B: holiday mishaps > > This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insurance about renewal > of my policy. In the conversation, he revealed there were 34 GA accidents of > one degree or another over the Christmas weekend. All makes, not just Beech. > This figure does not include the 50 or so planes damaged at Embry Riddle. > Henry disclosed most of the accidents were in the east where the winter > storm was challenging. > > Compared to other years, this is a large number. Ed > > \ > > > > > > > >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM

Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters which is where I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it). Any other former Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music it's not for the for everyone!

Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I will scan the whole works, it's really great reading!

b

<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steve Gilson" <STEVEG(at)NTERNET.COM> > > I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, > but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get > thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how > I know. > > Steve G. > E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org > [mailto:beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM > To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org > Subject: B: holiday mishaps > > This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insura =====

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From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: FW: holiday mishaps
Date: Dec 28, 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcN_DhJ_rU&mode=related&search http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHJlBNx9KA&mode=related&search http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSe8CKyki7U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT6N_ITUDQ4&mode=related&search http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7J42xLvUpM&mode=related&search http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miqXXTBsxo8&mode=related&search http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xZWZdUU6C8&mode=related&search yup, I been on u tube again...enjoy b -------------- Original message -------------- From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters which is where I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it). Any other former Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music it's not for the for everyone! Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I will scan the whole works, it's really great reading! b -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> > > I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, > but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get > thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how > I know. > > Steve G. > E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org > [mailto:beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM > To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org > Subject: B: holiday mishaps > > This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insura ======
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcN_DhJ_rU&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlHJlBNx9KA&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSe8CKyki7U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT6N_ITUDQ4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7J42xLvUpM&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miqXXTBsxo8&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xZWZdUU6C8&mode=related&search=

yup, I been on u tube again...enjoy

b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak2j5wxnQqM

Not me, somone made a nice video of Central Airs 500B freighters which is where I have many Commander hours in all weather(ice & lots of it). Any other former Central pilots out there? Watch out for the music it's not for the for everyone!

Regarding 520 manual anyone wanting a copy send me an email off list and I will scan the whole works, it's really great reading!

b

<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Steve Gilson" <STEVEG(at)NTERNET.COM> > > I thought you guys might find this interesting. No judgement on my part, > but pilots flying beyond their minimums and capability, "gotta get > thereitis", seems to come to mind. Ain't worth it. Please don't ask me how > I know. > > Steve G. > E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org > [mailto:beech-owners-bounces(at)beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of Ed Livermore > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:09 PM > To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org > Subject: B: holiday mishaps > > This morning I spoke with Henry Abdullah at Falcon Insura ======

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From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 28, 2006
Just checking in, haven't seen the Chat group for some time. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce, and B, Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan of the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance speeds really -- just limitations. I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are. My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The last time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of the performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an article for a publication. Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ... charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were used as nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern check list for the early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the manuals. Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to our post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V speeds) concepts. Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse? >From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the evolution of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its sparse 4 pages and work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as many performance graphs (and V-speeds!) as a Boeing. Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a look! Happy New Year, Commanders! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 28, 2006
Where you been? bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds Just checking in, haven't seen the Chat group for some time. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce, and B, Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan of the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance speeds really -- just limitations. I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are. My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The last time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of the performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an article for a publication. Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ... charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were used as nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern check list for the early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the manuals. Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to our post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V speeds) concepts. Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse? >From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the evolution of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its sparse 4 pages and work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as many performance graphs (and V-speeds!) as a Boeing. Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a look! Happy New Year, Commanders! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kerry Johnson" <kerry(at)kvelectric.com>
Subject: AC-520 Vspeeds
Date: Dec 28, 2006
Nowhere, just busier than I want to be, I'm still in St. George, UT. I had a complete computer crash a year or so ago and lost the Chat link, just getting a little more back to normal now. Kerry _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds Where you been? bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Johnson Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds Just checking in, haven't seen the Chat group for some time. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-520 Vspeeds In a message dated 26-Dec-06 08:42:28 Pacific Standard Time, brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com writes: It would be interesting to see how these relate to the 560s and 500s, which should be aerodynamically similar. In particular I think the specified Vx and Vy in the manual are just plain wrong. If there was a big variance with the other 5-series that would support the idea. As for the rest, I can get them from the plane today and list them (and confirm these), but is your interest historical or practical? Bruce, and B, Thanks for the AC-520 info. Sir Barry was kind enough to send me a scan of the manual pages he has, but there are no references to performance speeds really -- just limitations. I appreciate your noting the performance speeds -- such as they are. My interest is a little bit historical and a little bit practical. The last time I was in an AC-520 was about 1993 so I had no recollection of the performance speeds and of course, I was asked to fact check an article for a publication. Beyond that smallish task, I have always found the AC-520 manual ... charming. Historically, this manual was prepared before V-speeds were used as nomenclature. It's always been a trick developing a more modern check list for the early Commanders and ferreting out V speeds from the manuals. Speeds such as "best climb speed" are used, but how do they relate to our post 1976 (when GAMA standardized aircraft manuals and used V speeds) concepts. Is "best climb speed" Vy, Vyse, Vx or Vxse? >From that perspective, if you ever have the chance to look at the evolution of Aero Commander manuals, start with the AC-520 with its sparse 4 pages and work your way up to the AC-685 where there are as many performance graphs (and V-speeds!) as a Boeing. Yes, if anyone would like to scan their AC-520 manual, let's take a look! Happy New Year, Commanders! Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 28, 2006
Subject: Re: FW: holiday mishaps
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
On 12/27/06 10:31 PM, "skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net" wrote: > yup, I been on u tube again...enjoy > > b Dear b: Pretty boring at your house this year, eh? -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/My_Commanders.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: FW: holiday mishaps
Date: Dec 28, 2006
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Subject: Re: holiday mishaps
From: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net>
Date: Dec 28, 2006
other one didn't go thru but to respond...umm yup, could be worse, could be better. b Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84004#84004 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: 560 operating speeds
Date: Dec 28, 2006
For those wanting to compare the 520 to the 560, my 560's serial # 173 stats are: All speeds TIAS Never Exceed Speed (Vne) 270 mph Maximum Structural Crusing Speed 200 mph Maneuvering Speed 156 mph Maximum Flap Extension Speed 125 mph Max Gear Extension/Extended Speed 180 mph Max Speed for 1/2 Flaps 150 mph Minimum Control Speed * 80 mph Best Angle of Climb (Vx) 110 mph Maximum Performance Climb* 75 mph "don't know how this makes sense!" Best Rate of Climb (Vy) 135 mph The 'Engine-Out' drill calls for Full Power on Operating Engine, maintain heading and keep the airspeed between 95 - 100 mph (Vse) For anyone out there looking for clean 560 mine's up for sale. Both engines 0 SMOH (gearboxes tight) Props only 1 hour but out of calendar, modern panel w/ King KX 155's (1 w/ GS), King Audio Panel & Txpr, Northstar Loran, Dual Pilot/Co-Pilot instruments. New Tires, Paint '7' Interior '7'. This ship's been gone over with a fine tooth comb. It's just me and the wife, time to find a Cessna Cardinal again! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Looking for a -10 Commander 900 Pilot
From: "KVJ" <kerryvjohnson(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Dec 30, 2006
Hi Guys, My son Jeremy and I are looking for a Pilot to fly our -10 Commander 900 to Belize on Tuesday, returning on Wednesday afternoon or Thursday. http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1113179&guid=5F0CB480FD7F43D8AF8EC7493646723D We just got the plane, the deal should close today or Tuesday morning, and I haven't have the needed training yet to fly the plane so we need to find a qualified pilot for Jeremys trip to Belize ASAP. If any of you can help or reccomend a Pilot, please call Jeremy Johnson at (435) 229-8461 or me Kerry Johnson at (435) 668-2957. Thanks for your help, Kerry Johnson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84433#84433 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: VH-EXW
Date: Jan 01, 2007
Hi Russell, Firstly, Happy New Year! Secondly, I've been trawling "the net" today for Aero Commanders involved in Court Cases etc. I don't know whether this is 'news' or not, but I found the following, that isn't recorded on my database: >From http://members.iinet.net.au/~cask/aviation/vicfields.html "Melton Airfield (20 Apr 1998) About 40 minutes west of Melbourne, north of the Western Freeway, about five clicks up Coburns Rd, near Toolern Vale. Three hangers, a fourth being built in Apr 98 (complete on 31 Jan 99). Home to Melton Flying School. About a dozen GA aircraft seen, along with an Aero Commander (VH-IOE) and a second one in two halves with no markings (identified as VH-EXW [c/n 1031-41, wfu May 78] by Anthony Tubbs - thanks Anthony!)." Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Looking for a -10 Commander 900 Pilot
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Nice ship, Kerry. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KVJ Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:37 AM Subject: Commander-List: Looking for a -10 Commander 900 Pilot Hi Guys, My son Jeremy and I are looking for a Pilot to fly our -10 Commander 900 to Belize on Tuesday, returning on Wednesday afternoon or Thursday. http://www.controller.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=1113179&guid=5F0C B480FD7F43D8AF8EC7493646723D We just got the plane, the deal should close today or Tuesday morning, and I haven't have the needed training yet to fly the plane so we need to find a qualified pilot for Jeremys trip to Belize ASAP. If any of you can help or reccomend a Pilot, please call Jeremy Johnson at (435) 229-8461 or me Kerry Johnson at (435) 668-2957. Thanks for your help, Kerry Johnson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84433#84433 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: Pre Purchase
Date: Jan 02, 2007
My OZ associate is brokering a Boeing Business Jet located here in the states to one of our clients down under and we need to have recommendations of Pre Inspection surveyors for this type. Plane is located up in the New York area. Does anyone on the list have experience with big jets and pre purchase? I would like to discuss off list and save Commander bandwidth. Steve Gilson E34 N52DF L31 St. Tammany ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
I can't help you with the pre-buy, but I can sure test the upholstery and act as cabin attendant for the ferry trip! I'll even wear a mini-skirt if that's what it takes (it ain't gonna be pretty, but whatever)! Brock -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve Gilson Sent: Tue 1/2/2007 4:38 PM Subject: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] My OZ associate is brokering a Boeing Business Jet located here in the states to one of our clients down under and we need to have recommendations of Pre Inspection surveyors for this type. Plane is located up in the New York area. Does anyone on the list have experience with big jets and pre purchase? I would like to discuss off list and save Commander bandwidth. Steve Gilson E34 N52DF L31 St. Tammany ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Brock, Thanks. We will certainly take your offer under consideration. One heads up though is that you must be able to say B'By in a professional yet heartfelt personal manner. PS. This is a 737 type. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] I can't help you with the pre-buy, but I can sure test the upholstery and act as cabin attendant for the ferry trip! I'll even wear a mini-skirt if that's what it takes (it ain't gonna be pretty, but whatever)! Brock -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve Gilson Sent: Tue 1/2/2007 4:38 PM Subject: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] My OZ associate is brokering a Boeing Business Jet located here in the states to one of our clients down under and we need to have recommendations of Pre Inspection surveyors for this type. Plane is located up in the New York area. Does anyone on the list have experience with big jets and pre purchase? I would like to discuss off list and save Commander bandwidth. Steve Gilson E34 N52DF L31 St. Tammany ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 02, 2007
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
No problem, mate. I've been practicing for years (and binging in anticipation of a trip down under). All I ask is an open-ended ticket back sometime in the next 4-5 years. Check this out: B'By. Good enough? Brock -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve Gilson Sent: Tue 1/2/2007 5:44 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] Brock, Thanks. We will certainly take your offer under consideration. One heads up though is that you must be able to say B'By in a professional yet heartfelt personal manner. PS. This is a 737 type. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] I can't help you with the pre-buy, but I can sure test the upholstery and act as cabin attendant for the ferry trip! I'll even wear a mini-skirt if that's what it takes (it ain't gonna be pretty, but whatever)! Brock -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve Gilson Sent: Tue 1/2/2007 4:38 PM Subject: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] My OZ associate is brokering a Boeing Business Jet located here in the states to one of our clients down under and we need to have recommendations of Pre Inspection surveyors for this type. Plane is located up in the New York area. Does anyone on the list have experience with big jets and pre purchase? I would like to discuss off list and save Commander bandwidth. Steve Gilson E34 N52DF L31 St. Tammany 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: bendix starter parts
Date: Jan 02, 2007
Gents, Need to replace a few gears in my Bendix direct cranking starter. Anyone having luck with a service part supplier? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: bendix starter parts
Date: Jan 03, 2007
gm, suggest you switch to sky tech light weight high speed starters they work great and are resonably priced. mason >From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: "Commander Chat" >Subject: Commander-List: bendix starter parts >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:17:20 -0500 > >Gents, > >Need to replace a few gears in my Bendix direct cranking starter. Anyone >having luck with a service part supplier? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 03, 2007
sg, i will be glad to assist bock. mason >From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:44:35 -0600 > > >Brock, > >Thanks. We will certainly take your offer under consideration. One heads >up >though is that you must be able to say B'By in a professional yet heartfelt >personal manner. > >PS. This is a 737 type. > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock >Lorber >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:25 PM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] > > >I can't help you with the pre-buy, but I can sure test the upholstery and >act as cabin attendant for the ferry trip! I'll even wear a mini-skirt if >that's what it takes (it ain't gonna be pretty, but whatever)! > >Brock > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve Gilson >Sent: Tue 1/2/2007 4:38 PM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Pre Purchase [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] > >My OZ associate is brokering a Boeing Business Jet located here in the >states to one of our clients down under and we need to have recommendations >of Pre Inspection surveyors for this type. Plane is located up in the New >York area. Does anyone on the list have experience with big jets and pre >purchase? I would like to discuss off list and save Commander bandwidth. > > >Steve Gilson > >E34 N52DF L31 St. Tammany > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: bendix starter parts
Date: Jan 03, 2007
Ditto on the sky tech starters. I have had them on my 500S. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON Chevaillier Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: bendix starter parts gm, suggest you switch to sky tech light weight high speed starters they work great and are resonably priced. mason >From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: "Commander Chat" >Subject: Commander-List: bendix starter parts >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:17:20 -0500 > >Gents, > >Need to replace a few gears in my Bendix direct cranking starter. Anyone >having luck with a service part supplier? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2007
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: VH-EXW
Barry, Sad story about the 500A that was cut up, it had been at Essendon (I think) stripped for repainting, and then there was some "problem" that resulted in the bare metal aircraft being parked in the open for so long that the resulting corrosion made repair economical, and it was scrapped. As I understand it, it became a donor for another 500A rebuild at Melton. This aircraft has been converted to IO-520s, three blade props etc, all new King Silver Crown etc., and even had a pilot door installed. I don't have a record of the rego, but I will see what I can find out, if somebody else doesn't fill in the blanks first. I have had a close look at the finished rebuild, a great job, "as good as new". Steve Nott at GAM will know all about the aircraft. The owner of the aircraft is also the owner of Melton airfield and the flying school. All the best to everybody for the New Year. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ---------- At 01:27 AM 2/01/2007, you wrote: >Hi Russell, > >Firstly, Happy New Year! > >Secondly, I've been trawling "the net" today for Aero Commanders >involved in Court Cases etc. > >I don't know whether this is 'news' or not, but I found the >following, that isn't recorded on my database: > > From > <http://members.iinet.net.au/~cask/aviation/vicfields.html>http://members.iinet.net.au/~cask/aviation/vicfields.html > >"Melton Airfield (20 Apr 1998) >About 40 minutes west of Melbourne, north of the Western Freeway, >about five clicks up Coburns Rd, near Toolern Vale. Three hangers, >a fourth being built in Apr 98 (complete on 31 Jan 99). Home to >Melton Flying School. About a dozen GA aircraft seen, along with an >Aero Commander (VH-IOE) and a second one in two halves with no >markings (identified as VH-EXW [c/n 1031-41, wfu May 78] by Anthony >Tubbs - thanks Anthony!)." > >Very Best Regards, >Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2007
Subject: Aviation Resources Down Under
From: Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg>
Hello Everyone, It=B9s been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won=B9t mind an off topic question of those in Australia. I=B9m about to start flying in Melbourne, and wonder i f anyone can give me: * A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victoria * Any local email lists * A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a command instrument rating with a glas s cockpit. That last bit seems like it may be a bit tough. I found plenty of aircraft in the USA (new Cessna=B9s mainly) in the training fleet, but as far as I can tell, not too many down here. Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting started down here would be greatly appreciated. Regards, - Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: Aviation Resources Down Under
Date: Jan 12, 2007
Steve, A good start would be the www.aeroclub.com.au <http://www.aeroclub.com.au/> , and the casa site, www.casa.gov.au <http://www.casa.gov.au/> I will forward your request to my associate Michael Pont in Sydney. He may have a few more suggestions. What takes you flying down under in OZ? Steve Gilson _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve N =FA=F1 ez Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under Hello Everyone, It=92s been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won=92t mind an off topic question of those in Australia. I=92m about to start flying in Melbourne, and wonder if anyone can give me: * A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victoria * Any local email lists * A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a command instrument rating with a glass cockpit. That last bit seems like it may be a bit tough. I found plenty of aircraft in the USA (new Cessna=92s mainly) in the training fleet, but as far as I can tell, not too many down here. Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting started down here would be greatly appreciated. Regards, - Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Subject: Re: Aviation Resources Down Under
From: Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg>
Migration. I just moved to Australia, and want to pick up flying again down here. I figure a good way to do that is to get an IFR rating; that should b e a good way to learn the system. Cheers, - Steve On 12/1/07 11:28 PM, "Steve Gilson" wrote: > Steve, > > What takes you flying down under in OZ? > > Steve Gilson > > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve N =FA =F1 ez > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:19 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under > > Hello Everyone, > > It=B9s been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won=B9t mind an off topic questio n of > those in Australia. I=B9m about to start flying in Melbourne, and wonder if > anyone can give me: > * A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victoria > * Any local email lists > * A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a command instrument rating with a gl ass > cockpit. > > That last bit seems like it may be a bit tough. I found plenty of aircraf t in > the USA (new Cessna=B9s mainly) in the training fleet, but as far as I can tell, > not too many down here. > > Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting started down here would be > greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > - Steve > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aviation Resources Down Under
Steve, It certainly would, and it ain't much like US. Where are you in Australia. Cheers, Bill Hamilton (in Sydney) At 08:13 AM 13/01/2007, you wrote: >Migration. I just moved to Australia, and want >to pick up flying again down here. I figure a >good way to do that is to get an IFR rating; >that should be a good way to learn the system. > >Cheers, > - Steve > >On 12/1/07 11:28 PM, "Steve Gilson" wrote: > >Steve, > >What takes you flying down under in OZ? > >Steve Gilson > >---------- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander- list-server(at)matronics.com] >On Behalf Of Steve N =FA=F1 ez >Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:19 AM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under >Hello Everyone, >It=92s been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won=92t >mind an off topic question of those in >Australia. I=92m about to start flying in >Melbourne, and wonder if anyone can give me: >A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victoria >Any local email lists >A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a command >instrument rating with a glass cockpit. >That last bit seems like it may be a bit tough. >I found plenty of aircraft in the USA (new >Cessna=92s mainly) in the training fleet, but as >far as I can tell, not too many down here. >Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting >started down here would be greatly appreciated. >Regards, > - Steve > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List ><http://www.casa.gov.au/> ><http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com ><http://www.casa.gov.au/> > >ist Email Forum - >r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aviation Resources Down Under
Steve, It certainly would, and it ain't much like US. Where are you in Australia. Cheers, Bill Hamilton (in Sydney, but with contacts across the country) At 08:13 AM 13/01/2007, you wrote: >Migration. I just moved to Australia, and want >to pick up flying again down here. I figure a >good way to do that is to get an IFR rating; >that should be a good way to learn the system. > >Cheers, > - Steve > >On 12/1/07 11:28 PM, "Steve Gilson" wrote: > >Steve, > >What takes you flying down under in OZ? > >Steve Gilson > >---------- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander- list-server(at)matronics.com] >On Behalf Of Steve N =FA=F1 ez >Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:19 AM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under >Hello Everyone, >It=92s been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won=92t >mind an off topic question of those in >Australia. I=92m about to start flying in >Melbourne, and wonder if anyone can give me: >A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victoria >Any local email lists >A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a command >instrument rating with a glass cockpit. >That last bit seems like it may be a bit tough. >I found plenty of aircraft in the USA (new >Cessna=92s mainly) in the training fleet, but as >far as I can tell, not too many down here. >Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting >started down here would be greatly appreciated. >Regards, > - Steve > ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List ><http://www.casa.gov.au/> ><http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com ><http://www.casa.gov.au/> > >ist Email Forum - >r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >matronics.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 13, 2007
Subject: Re: Aviation Resources Down Under
From: Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg>
Bill, Yes, lot=B9s of empty space over here. I suppose that=B9s the reason for the differences, amongst others, for the night VFR rules. I=B9ve just got the Aviation Theory Centre Air Law book to study up for the conversion. I=B9m in Melbourne, but without a car. That=B9s proving to make things a bit difficult as far as travel to the airports. I was hoping to avoid buying a car for a while, since I live within walking distance of the CBD. I=B9ve been =8Csurfing=B9 the web most of this morning, and stumbled across the AOPA Australia site. My American membership number seems to have gotten me in (surprise), but the forums there aren=B9t too active. Aeroclub.com.au seem s to have a lot of information, but it=B9s also a lot of work to extract it. What I=B9m really looking for is some community resources and, hopefully, a way to find some newer model aircraft. Many of the flight schools in the US A have upgraded the fleet, and you can almost always find a G1000 panel to fly. They seem scarce down here (I found only one =8B in NSW at the Cessna Centre). I was hoping to get the IFR rating on the G1000 (or a Chelton ;-), but that might not be realistic. I might have to look at buying into a partnership. Cheers, - Steve -- Level 40 140 Williams Street Melbourne, VIC 3000 Australia Phone: -+61 3 9607 8287 Mobile: +61 4 0096 4240 http://illation.com.au On 13/1/07 12:09 PM, "W J R HAMILTON" wrote: > Steve, > It certainly would, and it ain't much like US. Where are you in Australi a. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > (in Sydney, but with contacts across the country) > > > > > At 08:13 AM 13/01/2007, you wrote: >> Migration. I just moved to Australia, and want to pick up flying again d own >> here. I figure a good way to do that is to get an IFR rating; that shoul d be >> a good way to learn the system. >> >> Cheers, >> - Steve >> >> On 12/1/07 11:28 PM, "Steve Gilson" wrote: >> >> Steve, What takes you flying down under in OZ? Steve Gilson >> >> >> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ >> mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] >> On Behalf Of Steve N =FA=F1 >> ez Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:19 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.c om >> Subject: Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under Hello Everyone, >> It=B9s been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won=B9t mind an off topic questi on of >> those in Australia. I=B9m about to start flying in Melbourne, and wonder i f >> anyone can give me: A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victor ia >> Any local email lists A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a command instru ment >> rating with a glass cockpit. That last bit seems like it may be a bit to ugh. >> I found plenty of aircraft in the USA (new Cessna=B9s mainly) in the train ing >> fleet, but as far as I can tell, not too many down here. >> Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting started down here would be >> greatly appreciated. >> Regards, - Steve http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List < >> http://www.casa.gov.au/ > >> http://forums.matronics.com < http://www.casa.gov.au/ >> <http://www.casa.gov.au/> > >> ist Email Forum - r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-L ist ; >> - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aviation Resources Down Under
Date: Jan 13, 2007
G'day Steve, Try General Flying Services at Moorabbin Airport (35 min drive south of the CBD). They have a whole bunch of new C172/182 airplanes with glass. Otherwise, go talk to some of the companies at Essendon Airport (25 min north of CBD)...I am sure you will find what you are looking for. Cheers Russell ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:33:13 +1100 >From: Steve Nez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg> >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under >To: > > Bill, > > Yes, lot's of empty space over here. I suppose > that's the reason for the differences, amongst > others, for the night VFR rules. I've just got the > Aviation Theory Centre Air Law book to study up for > the conversion. > > I'm in Melbourne, but without a car. That's proving > to make things a bit difficult as far as travel to > the airports. I was hoping to avoid buying a car for > a while, since I live within walking distance of the > CBD. > > I've been `surfing' the web most of this morning, > and stumbled across the AOPA Australia site. My > American membership number seems to have gotten me > in (surprise), but the forums there aren't too > active. Aeroclub.com.au seems to have a lot of > information, but it's also a lot of work to extract > it. > > What I'm really looking for is some community > resources and, hopefully, a way to find some newer > model aircraft. Many of the flight schools in the > USA have upgraded the fleet, and you can almost > always find a G1000 panel to fly. They seem scarce > down here (I found only one - in NSW at the Cessna > Centre). I was hoping to get the IFR rating on the > G1000 (or a Chelton ;-), but that might not be > realistic. I might have to look at buying into a > partnership. > > Cheers, > - Steve > > -- > Level 40 > 140 Williams Street > Melbourne, VIC 3000 > Australia > > Phone: +61 3 9607 8287 > Mobile: +61 4 0096 4240 > http://illation.com.au > > On 13/1/07 12:09 PM, "W J R HAMILTON" > wrote: > > Steve, > It certainly would, and it ain't much like US. > Where are you in Australia. > Cheers, > Bill Hamilton > > (in Sydney, but with contacts across the country) > > At 08:13 AM 13/01/2007, you wrote: > > Migration. I just moved to Australia, and want > to pick up flying again down here. I figure a > good way to do that is to get an IFR rating; > that should be a good way to learn the system. > > Cheers, > - Steve > > On 12/1/07 11:28 PM, "Steve Gilson" > wrote: > > Steve, What takes you flying down under in OZ? > Steve Gilson > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] > On > Behalf Of Steve N un ez Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 > 3:19 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: > Commander-List: Aviation Resources Down Under Hello > Everyone, > It's been a bit quiet, so I hope that you won't mind an > off topic question of those in Australia. I'm about to > start flying in Melbourne, and wonder if anyone can give >me: A good list of URLs for aviation resources in Victoria >Any local email lists A suggestion for an FBO to obtain a >command instrument rating with a glass cockpit. That last > bit seems like it may be a bit tough. I found plenty of >aircraft in the USA (new Cessna's mainly) in the training > fleet, but as far as I can tell, not too many down here. >Any pointers, hints or suggestions on getting started down > here would be greatly appreciated. > Regards, - Steve > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List < > http://www.casa.gov.au/ > > http://forums.matronics.com < http://www.casa.gov.au/ > <http://www.casa.gov.au/> > > ist Email Forum - >r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > ; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com > > ist Email Forum - > r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander- List > ; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2007
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Aviation Resources Down Under
Steve, General Flying Service at Moorabbin have a fleet of new C172, a number have G1000, but apart from several flying schools who have aircraft for foreign training contracts, new GA aircraft or even "newer" are rare. Pay Royal Victorian Aero Club a visit, and ask questions, they are a good bunch. Give me a call, 0408 876 526, save clogging up Matronic's bandwidth. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Budplaster(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 14, 2007
Subject: Commander Sale
Matt Dralle, My name is Buddy A, Plaster and I am the owner of two (2) twin commanders and will be selling both in order to purchase a 690 A or B. I am already preparing ads for the usual publications; but, I would like to know if your site allows notices of this type to be made. Respectfully, Buddy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Commander Sale
Date: Jan 14, 2007
bp, real smooth, you just did. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Budplaster(at)aol.com<mailto:Budplaster(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sale Matt Dralle, My name is Buddy A, Plaster and I am the owner of two (2) twin commanders and will be selling both in order to purchase a 690 A or B. I am already preparing ads for the usual publications; but, I would like to know if your site allows notices of this type to be made. Respectfully, Buddy http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Subject: Re: Commander Sale
Bud, How much are you asking for each? Gil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Budplaster(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 15, 2007
Subject: Re: Commander Sale
Gil, I will be asking around $150,000. for the 560E and around $240,000 for the 685. I can send you spec sheets and photographs if you would like to see them and the way they are taken care of. If so, send me your address and I will send you the package. Thanks for inquiring, Bud ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 16, 2007
From: Gary Wilson <sr14572(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander Sale
thanks, my address is: 240 Broad street, Landisville, PA 17538 Budplaster(at)aol.com wrote: Gil, I will be asking around $150,000. for the 560E and around $240,000 for the 685. I can send you spec sheets and photographs if you would like to see them and the way they are taken care of. If so, send me your address and I will send you the package. Thanks for inquiring, Bud --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: aerocommander.com
Date: Jan 19, 2007
Hay what is up with the web site??? I says that it expired on 1/12/07. Tylor Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: aerocommander.com
Date: Jan 20, 2007
I got the feeling it was interfering w/ the regular aerocommander.com site. Could be put back online easily, but needs more than just one or two site moderators. If you want, I'll put the site back up, but you have to promise be a site moderator...: ) take care, b -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > > Hay what is up with the web site??? > > I says that it expired on 1/12/07. > > Tylor Hall > > > > >
I got the feeling it was interfering w/ the regular aerocommander.com site. Could be put back online easily, but needs more than just one or two site moderators.

If you want, I'll put the site back up, but you have to promise be a site moderator...: )

take care,

b

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From: Budplaster(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 20, 2007
Subject: Re: aerocommander.com
I am not sure what a site moderator is/does/contributes. Please advise. Thanks, I may be willing to be all three. Buddy ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: aerocommander.com
Date: Jan 22, 2007
Buddy, A moderator has forum site commands regular users / visiters do not, such as the ability to move someones advertizement for parts for sale that they may have placed in the wrong aera to Commander Parts for Sale within the site. Thats just one example of many, a good spot to look is the Vbulletin.com site they created the software and they have a "frequently asked questions" area. b -------------- Original message -------------- From: Budplaster(at)aol.com I am not sure what a site moderator is/does/contributes. Please advise. Thanks, I may be willing to be all three. Buddy
Buddy,

A moderator has forum site commands regular users / visiters do not, such as the ability to move someones advertizement for parts for sale that they may have placed in the wrong aera to Commander Parts for Sale within the site. Thats just one example of many, a good spot to look is the Vbulletin.com site they created the software and they have a "frequently asked questions" area.

b

I am not sure what a site moderator is/does/contributes. Please advise.

Thanks, I may be willing to be all three.

Buddy

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From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 22, 2007
Subject: IRANIAN COMMANDERS
Good Afternoon, I know that some of you collect photos and slides of Aero Commanders, Barry and I are attempting to ID acouple of Iranian registered Commanders and aren't having alot of luck. Does anyone here have any photos or slides of Iranian Commanders they would be willing to share a scan of? Thanks, Bert Berry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Happy Birthday, Bob Hoover
Date: Jan 24, 2007
There is a very nice tribute to Bob Hoover on www.aero-news.net today. Tylor Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: STEC -40
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Before I list on EBAY, if anyone on the list is interested, I have for sale an S-Tec 40 that was removed from a K35. It was sold to me as being removed in working condition from fellow Beech lister "Murph". Was going to put it in my E35 but decided not to after my wife heard my concerns about installation and lack of panel space. She gave me a STEC-30 for Christmas. Panel space issue solved. What a gal! I have the control, turn coordinator, optional directional gyro with heading bug, servo and harness. No paperwork except for yellow tag rebuilt from STEC Directional Gyro with heading Bug. I sent the purchased one in for examination and they recommended swap out for $1000 one of their rebuilt off the shelf which I did. I need $3600 for it. More info can be found here: http://www.s-tec.com/prodintro.html I also have a working Shadin Digital Fuel Flow Indicator type #910523T. Only difference from new production is that it will not talk to your GPS with Data. I had it checked by Shadin and is in good working condition. Shadin says it just needs an 86K factor transducer/cable from them at a cost of $830 and your up and working. I cannot use it on the E225 as Shadin does not have a dual transducer set up for the feedback fuel. I need $225 for it. Contact me off-list at steveg(at)nternet.com or 985-630-4663 cell. Steve Gilson E35 N52DF L31 St. Tammany ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Does anyone know where I can purchase a maintance / shop manual for a 690A ? Nick N690DB 310 830 0904 Also need the black box repaired that controls the fuel guage . It is located behind the rear seats . Where can I get exchange / repaired ?.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair
Date: Jan 24, 2007
www.eflightmanuals.com has a listing for the 690A service manual and illustrated parts list. On line. The come up on e-Bay from time to time. Tylor Hall On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Nick Martin wrote: > Does anyone know where I can purchase a maintance / shop manual for > a 690A ? Nick N690DB 310 830 0904 > > Also need the black box repaired that controls the fuel guage . It > is located behind the rear seats . Where can I get exchange / > repaired ?.... > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair
Date: Jan 24, 2007
Tylor thanks,NIck Nicolas E. Martin Martin Container, Inc. 1402 E. Lomita Blvd. Wilmington, Ca 90748 Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair www.eflightmanuals.com has a listing for the 690A service manual and illustrated parts list. On line. The come up on e-Bay from time to time. Tylor Hall On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Nick Martin wrote: Does anyone know where I can purchase a maintance / shop manual for a 690A ? Nick N690DB 310 830 0904 Also need the black box repaired that controls the fuel guage . It is located behind the rear seats . Where can I get exchange / repaired ?.... - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> <http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday, Bob Hoover
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Bob, HAPPY BIRTHDAY if you got your ears on. Tyler, very nice tribute, thanks for sharing. b -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > > There is a very nice tribute to Bob Hoover on www.aero-news.net today. > > Tylor Hall > > > > >
Bob, HAPPY BIRTHDAY if you got your ears on.

Tyler, very nice tribute, thanks for sharing.

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From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Subject: Fwd: Just an update
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Just an update
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Hello JimBob! I don't know about anyone else, but all I got is shown below ;-) Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Just an update | ------------010000070509060805080707-- | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Fwd: Just an update
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Must be a Secret Update. bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Just an update ------------010000070509060805080707-- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Fwd: Just an update
Date: Jan 25, 2007
Your message was empty... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: Just an update ------------010000070509060805080707-- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair
Nick, Try ESSCO, they advertise in TradeAPlane and google ESSCO should get it. On eBay you may see them repro. on CD. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:27 AM 25/01/2007, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can purchase a maintance / shop manual for >a 690A ? Nick N690DB 310 830 0904 > >Also need the black box repaired that controls the fuel guage . It >is located behind the rear seats . Where can I get exchange / repaired ?.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Bill, As it turns out, Nick works very close to me, and he came over and bought the manual that I had. Think he is still looking for the black box for the fuel gages. Regards, Moe N680RR 680F(p) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair Nick, Try ESSCO, they advertise in TradeAPlane and google ESSCO should get it. On eBay you may see them repro. on CD. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:27 AM 25/01/2007, you wrote: Does anyone know where I can purchase a maintance / shop manual for a 690A ? Nick N690DB 310 830 0904 Also need the black box repaired that controls the fuel guage . It is located behind the rear seats . Where can I get exchange / repaired ?.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Bill ,' Thanks for the reply.I just bought Moe's shop manual . ( also might by some Harley racing pistons from him ) ,,Nick Nicolas E. Martin Martin Container, Inc. 1402 E. Lomita Blvd. Wilmington, Ca 90748 Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R HAMILTON Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 690A Shop Manual and Fuel repair Nick, Try ESSCO, they advertise in TradeAPlane and google ESSCO should get it. On eBay you may see them repro. on CD. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 03:27 AM 25/01/2007, you wrote: Does anyone know where I can purchase a maintance / shop manual for a 690A ? Nick N690DB 310 830 0904 Also need the black box repaired that controls the fuel guage . It is located behind the rear seats . Where can I get exchange / repaired ?.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: S-TEC autopilots
Date: Jan 30, 2007
Hi Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 Thanks for advice in advance Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 11:11 AM -- 2:49 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
I love the 55X - in the Cirrus, integrated with the Avidyne. I HATE the 55X in the 340/414 because it is more work than hand flying. The Bendix in the Commander is far preferable to the 55X with the remote annunciator, unless it is coupled with a glass display. Brock Lorber -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Fitzgerald Sent: Tue 1/30/2007 11:01 PM Subject: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] Hi Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 Thanks for advice in advance Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 11:11 AM -- 2:49 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 29, 2007
I've got the 60-2 in my 500S. It works beautifully. -----Original Message----- From: Brock Lorber [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] I love the 55X - in the Cirrus, integrated with the Avidyne. I HATE the 55X in the 340/414 because it is more work than hand flying. The Bendix in the Commander is far preferable to the 55X with the remote annunciator, unless it is coupled with a glass display. Brock Lorber -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Fitzgerald Sent: Tue 1/30/2007 11:01 PM Subject: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] Hi Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 Thanks for advice in advance Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 11:11 AM -- 2:49 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2007
From: Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Subject: Re: S-TEC autopilots
David Fitzgerald wrote: > > Hi > > > > Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. > > > > Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? > > Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 > > > > Thanks for advice in advance > > > > Dr David Fitzgerald > > BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > > CASA Medical Officer > > Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > > Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > > Registrar in Occupational Medicine > > DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com > > mob 0438 312973 > > * * > -- Release Date: 1/26/2007 11:11 AM > > -- > 1/29/2007 2:49 PM > > * > > > * Hmmmmmm we are about to go with the STEC60 in ours found the STEC 30 was not STC'd - so looking for a hole to put it in. bobf ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Date: Jan 29, 2007
Brock, S-TEC used my 500-A for the FAA approval of the S-TEC 65 back in 1988. They coupled it to my PN 101HSI. and it has worked great until about three months and it sounds like what is wrong is minor, just have not had time to get fixed. It is different from most of the autopilots I was used to except the one on the L-101. I got every thing but the yaw damper and we did not think the Commander needed it. Jim Addington N444BD 500A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] I love the 55X - in the Cirrus, integrated with the Avidyne. I HATE the 55X in the 340/414 because it is more work than hand flying. The Bendix in the Commander is far preferable to the 55X with the remote annunciator, unless it is coupled with a glass display. Brock Lorber -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of David Fitzgerald Sent: Tue 1/30/2007 11:01 PM Subject: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] Hi Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 Thanks for advice in advance Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 11:11 AM -- 2:49 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: S-TEC autopilots
Date: Jan 30, 2007
df, century used my 680fp to get stc on its 2000 model and it is great w/ alt pre selet etc. no yaw damper was reccomended but we did put in elec trim. mason all tied into g430 and avadyne ex500. >From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> >Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:33:34 +1100 > >Hi > > >Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. > > >Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? > >Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 > > >Thanks for advice in advance > > >Dr David Fitzgerald > >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > >CASA Medical Officer > >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > >Registrar in Occupational Medicine > >HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com > >mob 0438 312973 > > >11:11 AM > >-- >2:49 PM > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2007
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/30/07
David I have an STEC-65 with Alt Cap and Hold on my 500B. If I can help email me direct. dan farmer daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-01-30&Archive=Commander Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-01-30&Archive=Commander =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/30/07: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: S-TEC autopilots (MASON Chevaillier) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: "MASON Chevaillier" Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots df, century used my 680fp to get stc on its 2000 model and it is great w/ alt pre selet etc. no yaw damper was reccomended but we did put in elec trim. mason all tied into g430 and avadyne ex500. >From: "David Fitzgerald" >To: >Subject: Commander-List: S-TEC autopilots >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:33:34 +1100 > >Hi > > >Am looking to upgrade the avionics in my machine. > > >Has anyone got an S-TEC 55X with or without altitude select in their 500S? > >Trying to decide between 55X, 60-2 and 65 > > >Thanks for advice in advance > > >Dr David Fitzgerald > >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) > >CASA Medical Officer > >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair > >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer > >Registrar in Occupational Medicine > >HYPERLINK "mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com"DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com > >mob 0438 312973 > > >11:11 AM > >-- >2:49 PM > --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: Explains a lot
Date: Feb 01, 2007
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From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Professional Pilot article on Bob Hoover
Date: Feb 02, 2007
http://www.propilotmag.com/January/featuresJan.html Any fan of Bob Hoover needs to get a copy of the January issue of Professional Pilot Mag. Great article and there is a guest editorial from F Lee Bailey. Good Flying, Tylor Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Professional Pilot article on Bob Hoover
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Very Cool Thanks Tyler! Side note for any 520 fans, just paged thru current issue of AOPA PILOT Mag. Feb. 2007, interesting article under the heading NEVERAGAIN titled DOUBLE TROUBLE on pages 128/130. b -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > > http://www.propilotmag.com/January/featuresJan.html > > Any fan of Bob Hoover needs to get a copy of the January issue of > Professional Pilot Mag. > > Great article and there is a guest editorial from F Lee Bailey. > > Good Flying, > > Tylor Hall > > > > > >
Very Cool Thanks Tyler!

Side note for any 520 fans, just paged thru current issue of AOPA PILOT Mag. Feb. 2007,

interesting article under the heading NEVERAGAIN titled DOUBLE TROUBLE on pages 128/130.

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From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Subject: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona
Would anyone here happen to know anything about a Aero Commander that was abandoned at the Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona before being parted out? I understand that before someone took it apart, a group of unknowns tied a rope to her and tried to make a glider out of the fuselage after the engines were taken out. Apparently it didn't go very well because it crashed into another aircraft on the field. I was just wondering if anyone knew which aircraft it was. Thanks, Bert ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Subject: Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona
From: "cvcantwell(at)charter.net" <cvcantwell(at)charter.net>
Bert: I salvaged N265X, a 680 that had been at Chander Field. Someone had taken a piece of hawser and tied it around the vertical fin and rudder and drug it around a bit. There was some wing tip and leading edge damage from hitting the tail of one of the Harpoons tied down close by. I had planned t o rebuild her, but found so much corrosion and skin damage in the belly, that it wasn=B9t practical to even attempt it. We cut the fuselage right behind th e contol columns, just in front of the wing and just aft of the wing. I brought home basically everything forward of the columns, the entire wing assembly and all of the control surfaces. I would like to sell the entire lot of parts as it looks like I will loosing my job and all probablity of owning a flyable Commander. I don=B9t have any pictures available right now, but can get some for anyone that is interested. Craig ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona
Date: Feb 03, 2007
Craig, Thank you for trying to save one. Do you have the engines and props? Tylor Hall On Feb 3, 2007, at 6:59 PM, cvcantwell(at)charter.net wrote:

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