Commander-Archive.digest.vol-ch
February 04, 2007 - March 06, 2007
> Bert: I salvaged N265X, a 680 that had been at Chander Field.
> Someone had taken a piece of hawser and tied it around the vertical
> fin and rudder and drug it around a bit. There was some wing tip
> and leading edge damage from hitting the tail of one of the
> Harpoons tied down close by. I had planned to rebuild her, but
> found so much corrosion and skin damage in the belly, that it
> wasn=92t practical to even attempt it. We cut the fuselage right
> behind the contol columns, just in front of the wing and just aft
> of the wing. I brought home basically everything forward of the
> columns, the entire wing assembly and all of the control surfaces.
> I would like to sell the entire lot of parts as it looks like I
> will loosing my job and all probablity of owning a flyable
> Commander. I don=92t have any pictures available right now, but can
> get some for anyone that is interested.
>
> Craig
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
Thanks Craig,
I'm sure this must be the one. What a shame to see another one go down the drain.
Hope you finally find one of you own to fly.
Bert
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
| From: | "cvcantwell(at)charter.net" <cvcantwell(at)charter.net> |
Tylor: Unfortunately the engines, props and all the radios and instruments
were long gone before I bought her. I do have some GSO-480 parts that go
with the stack...a supposed good case, oil sump, accessory case and a bunch
of internal parts.
Someone offline asked me about the areas to be reskinned...basically
everything from the nose gear doors to the taillight, from floor to floor
and three of the tailcone skins...I could have done it, but would have put
several thousand manhours into doing and it just wasn=B9t worth it.
Craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Amzaing these guys made it |
King Air yesterday tha..., well you have to see it to believe it.
http://tinyurl.com/2rqsgd
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Amzaing these guys made it |
King Air yesterday tha..., well you have to see it to believe it.
http://tinyurl.com/2rqsgd
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
I have two props and one engine core for a 680E
Bill Leff
937-369-3334
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
Bill,
Thanks for the information.
Now I need to find a 680E that is for sale.
I missed the one I was looking at.
Do you know of any?
Tylor Hall
On Feb 4, 2007, at 9:55 PM, BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
> I have two props and one engine core for a 680E
>
> Bill Leff
> 937-369-3334
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
Hello Tylor,
You are looking for a 680E.
I thought you had one before?
I have one for sale N71DF not in annual present time
price around US$ 95.000
If interested, I like to hear.
regards,
Frits Abbing
--- Tylor Hall wrote:
> Bill,
> Thanks for the information.
> Now I need to find a 680E that is for sale.
> I missed the one I was looking at.
> Do you know of any?
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Feb 4, 2007, at 9:55 PM, BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> > I have two props and one engine core for a 680E
> >
> > Bill Leff
> > 937-369-3334
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
I have a great 680 but may be interested in some parts and maybe all of what
you have. How much for all of the 680? Gil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
I have a 0 time prop for a 680/680E plus complete hub assy, everything
except blades as spares. Changed my 680E to Queen Air props. So anyone out
there with the originals fitted can have them for a small fee.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2007 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona
I have a great 680 but may be interested in some parts and maybe all of what
you have. How much for all of the 680? Gil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Falcon Field Airport Mesa, Arizona |
Fitz, give me a call, I have a customer for a 680E
Bill Leff
937-369-3334
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Prop spinner needed |
Hello,
The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an
excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable. Fortunately it
was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a
ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest
shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P. The
plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM
didn't even know where to get one, we called him. Have also checked
about 10 places. The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two
more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days.
Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop spinner.
The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know why. The one
needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's close, but
there are more than L/spinner) to hold it in place and it is a newer
version than the spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner.
I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated. My cell
phone number is below. Call anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it
off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.
Ray Mansfield
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
850-217-5185
THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ
THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
AVIATION WISDOM....
The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are
composed entirely of lost airline baggage.
An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex
was safe.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist
invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic
helicopter fly-ins.
Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or
rotor RPM).
Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers &
helicopters -- in that order -- need two.
There are only three things the copilot should ever say:
1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the ugly one.
As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your
last flight.
b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your
last flight.
There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think
that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of
Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should,
suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws.
About Rules:
a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea
and the talent to execute it.
b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g.,
if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.
Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the pilot
is over" are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of
no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted
aircraft.
Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel
tanks are full.
He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he
who demands one iota more is a fool.
There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night.
The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by
that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely,
there are no limits.
Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but
not for those who still are.
Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An airplane
flies because of money. If God had meant man to fly, He'd have given him
more money.
If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole
plane out of that stuff?
If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire
Orville to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines
In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours
of gas than vice versa.
It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that
good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so
seasoned observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no
doubt.
I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one is
always occupied by an idiot?
Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and
becoming a pilot. You can't do both.
There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you
didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't
nauseated by the food. So you're grateful.
You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on
their hind legs.
New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Even tho I couldn't be there today.... |
I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
JOHN TOWNER!
You taught me how to dress "preppy," you taught me how to do the right
thing, and you taught me how to play craps.
May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
www.deneals.com <http://www.deneals.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner needed |
Sometime ago there was a listing on e-bay for Aero Commander spinners...anyone
else recall, I would say within the last 6 month maybe less...
b
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Hello,
The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an excessive manner
and now it's not useable or repairable. Fortunately it was found with the
5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a ground check. Been trying
to get the props balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment is broke
and out for repair...not back yet.
I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P. The plane
is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't even
know where to get one, we called him. Have also checked about 10 places. The
manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two more possibilities, but won't
know for a couple days.
Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop spinner. The two
spinners on the plane are different...I don't know why. The one needed has
15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's close, but there are more than
L/spinner) to hold it in place and it is a newer version than the spinner on
the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner.
I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated. My cell phone number
is below. Call anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it off...which is
usually around 10:30 PM at night.
Ray Mansfield
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
850-217-5185
THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD
STUFF BEFORE.
AVIATION WISDOM....
The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely
of lost airline baggage.
An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the
aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters
-- in that order -- need two.
There are only three things the copilot should ever say:
1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the ugly one.
As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight.
b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your last flight.
There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they
know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were made
by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules, but you can
never suspend the Laws.
About Rules:
a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea and the talent
to execute it.
b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g., if you
fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.
Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the pilot is over"
are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the intensity of
his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I know of no expert who has
volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel tanks are
full.
He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he who demands
one iota more is a fool.
There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night.
The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular
aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits.
Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those
who still are.
Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An airplane flies because
of money. If God had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more money.
If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole plane out of
that stuff?
If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce
costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines
In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours of gas than
vice versa.
It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that good-looking people
seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned observers contend. A
matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no doubt.
I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one is always
occupied by an idiot?
Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming a
pilot. You can't do both.
There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash,
you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So
you're grateful.
You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind
legs.
New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy
Sometime ago there was a listing on e-bay for Aero Commander spinners...anyone
else recall, I would say within the last 6 month maybe less...
b
Hello,
The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner
in an excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable. Fortunately
it was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
during a ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest
shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part #
C2531-5P.
The plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM
conversion. Mr. RPM didn't even know where to get one, we called him.
Have also checked about 10 places. The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery.
We have two more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days.
Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop
spinner. The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know
why. The one needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold
it in place and it is a newer version than the spinner on the L/engine.
It's a one-piece spinner.
I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated.
My cell phone number is below. Call anytime. When I
can't take calls I turn it off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.
Ray Mansfield
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
850-217-5185
THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ
THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
AVIATION WISDOM....
The scientific theory I like best is that the
rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline baggage.
An
old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex was safe.
Both optimists and
pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
pessimist the parachute.
If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic helicopter
fly-ins.
Death
is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
Re
al planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers & helicopters
-- in that order -- need two.
There are only three things the copilot should ever say:
1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the ugly one.
As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
a.
One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last flight.
b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is your
last flight.
There
are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think that they
know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were made by
the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules, but you can
never suspend the Laws.
About Rules:
a. The rules are a good place to hide
if you don't have a better idea and the talent to execute it.
b. If you deviate
from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under
a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
The medical
profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.
Ever notice that the only experts who
decree that "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have never flown anything?
Also, in spite of the intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a
non-piloted aircraft.
Before
each flight, make sure that your bladder is
empty
and your fuel tanks are full.
He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot;
he who demands one iota more is a fool.
There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard
at night.
The aircraft
limits are only there in case there is another flight by that particular
aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are no limits.
Flying is a great way
of life for men who want to feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
Flying is a hard
way to earn an easy living.
Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An airplane
flies because of money. If God had meant man to fl
y, He'
d have given him more money.
If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole plane
out of that stuff?
If
the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire Orville
to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines
In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder
and three hours of gas than vice versa.
It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking.
Just that good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no doubt.
I've flown in both pilot
seats, can someone tell me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and becoming
a pilot. You can't do both.
There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
You define a good flight
by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food. So you're grateful.
You know they invented wheelbarrows
to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
New FAA Motto: We're not happy till
you're not happy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... |
JT,
Happy Birthday my old friend, I remember one of the 1st things you said to me
after signing off my logbooks, " Hey we have the same B-day! "
PS "sorry bout that 1st Commander landing"
Godspeed to you the muffin lady and the kids too
Take Care,
Brent - N224HA
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
JOHN TOWNER!
You taught me how to dress preppy, you taught me how to do the right thing, and
you taught me how to play craps.
May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
www.deneals.com
JT,
Happy
Birthday my old friend, I remember one of the 1st things
you said to me after signing off my logbooks, " Hey we have the same
B-day! "
PS "sorry bout that 1st Commander landing"
Godspeed to you the muffin lady and the kids too
Take Care,
Brent - N224HA
I did
start out the day wearing my Kansas
City Club sweatshirt!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
JOHN TOWNER!
You taught me how to dress preppy, you taught
me how to do the right thing, and you taught me how to play craps.
May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the
children.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis
- Cincinnati
1997 SL500
www.deneals.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Happy Birthday JT! |
To our esteemed friend John Towner,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways)
today!
Best regards,
/John Vormbaum
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Happy Birthday JT! |
MR Towner,
Happy Birthday from all of us down in OZ.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
To our esteemed friend John Towner,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways) today!
Best regards,
/John Vormbaum
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
John,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND MANY MORE.
You have helped me more times than I can count.
Thanks
Jim Addington
N444BD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner needed |
Yes they were for a 560F or a 680F with Geared engines
Bill Leff.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... |
Well,
I don't recall seeing an original message regarding your Birthday John,
so this greeting is probably a day late.
Nevertheless, I wish to add my best wishes for a Very Happy Birthday !!
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:40 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Even tho I couldn't be there today....
I did start out the day wearing my Kansas City Club sweatshirt!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
JOHN TOWNER!
You taught me how to dress "preppy," you taught me how to do the right
thing, and you taught me how to play craps.
May G-d bless you, Muffin Lady & the children.
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
www.deneals.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner needed |
Call Harry he has one.
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
Hello,
The Commander I fly decided to stress the R/prop spinner in an
excessive manner and now it's not useable or repairable. Fortunately it
was found with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades during a
ground check. Been trying to get the props balanced but the nearest
shop's balancing equipment is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner, Part # C2531-5P.
The plane is an AC-68, Commander 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr.
RPM didn't even know where to get one, we called him. Have also checked
about 10 places. The manufacturer said 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two
more possibilities, but won't know for a couple days.
Does anyone out there know where I can get the needed prop
spinner. The two spinners on the plane are different...I don't know
why. The one needed has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold it in place and it
is a newer version than the spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece
spinner.
I've had help from you guys before and it's appreciated. My cell
phone number is below. Call anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it
off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.
Ray Mansfield
Ft. Walton Beach, FL
850-217-5185
THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ
THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
AVIATION WISDOM....
The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are
composed entirely of lost airline baggage.
An old pilot is one who can remember when flying was dangerous and sex
was safe.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist
invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no vintage/classic
helicopter fly-ins.
Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch your airspeed (or
rotor RPM).
Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This is why bulldozers &
helicopters -- in that order -- need two.
There are only three things the copilot should ever say:
1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the ugly one.
As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your
last flight.
b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not knowing that it is
your last flight.
There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who
think that they know better how to fly your airplane than you. Laws (of
Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should,
suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend the Laws.
About Rules:
a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea
and the talent to execute it.
b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance.
(e.g., if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.
The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation
profession.
Ever notice that the only experts who decree that "the age of the
pilot is over" are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite
of the intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's day is over, I
know of no expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted
aircraft.
Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is empty and your fuel
tanks are full.
He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot;
he who demands one iota more is a fool.
There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night.
The aircraft limits are only there in case there is another flight by
that particular aircraft. If subsequent flights do not appear likely,
there are no limits.
Flying is a great way of life for men who want to feel like boys, but
not for those who still are.
Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust and drag. An
airplane flies because of money. If God had meant man to fly, He'd have
given him more money.
If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't they make the whole
plane out of that stuff?
If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur would have to fire
Orville to reduce costs. --- President, DELTA Airlines
In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour bladder and three hours
of gas than vice versa.
It's not that all airplane pilots are good-looking. Just that
good-looking people seem more capable of flying airplanes. Or so
seasoned observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No doubt, no
doubt.
I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell me why the other one
is always occupied by an idiot?
Son, you're going to have to make up your mind about growing up and
becoming a pilot. You can't do both.
There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't get hijacked, you
didn't crash, you didn't throw up, you weren't late, you weren't
nauseated by the food. So you're grateful.
You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on
their hind legs.
New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not happy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday JT! |
*John,
Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement
party for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot
stories were pretty good. I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12
hour work days.
YOUR FRIEND,
JT :-)
*
John Vormbaum wrote:
> To our esteemed friend John Towner,
>
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways)
> today!
>
> Best regards,
>
> /John Vormbaum
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner needed |
Harry,
Can you help me on two props for a 520?
I live in Crescent City, 32112 FL.
Frits Abbng
--- Harry Merritt wrote:
> Call Harry he has one.
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Mansfield
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The Commander I fly decided to stress the
> R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's
> not useable or repairable. Fortunately it was found
> with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
> during a ground check. Been trying to get the props
> balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment
> is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
>
> I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner,
> Part # C2531-5P. The plane is an AC-68, Commander
> 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't
> even know where to get one, we called him. Have
> also checked about 10 places. The manufacturer said
> 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two more possibilities,
> but won't know for a couple days.
>
> Does anyone out there know where I can get the
> needed prop spinner. The two spinners on the plane
> are different...I don't know why. The one needed
> has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
> close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold
> it in place and it is a newer version than the
> spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner.
>
>
> I've had help from you guys before and it's
> appreciated. My cell phone number is below. Call
> anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it
> off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> Ft. Walton Beach, FL
> 850-217-5185
>
>
> THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME
> OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
>
>
> AVIATION WISDOM....
>
> The scientific theory I like best is that the
> rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost
> airline baggage.
>
> An old pilot is one who can remember when flying
> was dangerous and sex was safe.
>
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the
> society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
> pessimist the parachute.
>
> If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no
> vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
>
> Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch
> your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
>
> Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This
> is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order --
> need two.
>
> There are only three things the copilot should
> ever say:
> 1. Nice landing, Sir.
> 2. I'll buy the first round.
> 3. I'll take the ugly one.
>
> As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
>
> a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft
> knowing that it is your last flight.
> b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not
> knowing that it is your last flight.
>
> There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are
> made by men who think that they know better how to
> fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were
> made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes
> should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend
> the Laws.
>
> About Rules:
> a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't
> have a better idea and the talent to execute it.
> b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a
> flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a
> bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
>
> The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline
> and aggressiveness.
>
> The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
> aviation profession.
>
> Ever notice that the only experts who decree that
> "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have
> never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
> intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
> day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered
> to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
>
> Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is
> empty and your fuel tanks are full.
>
> He who demands everything that his aircraft can
> give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is
> a fool.
>
> There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
> heard at night.
>
> The aircraft limits are only there in case there
> is another flight by that particular aircraft. If
> subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
> no limits.
>
> Flying is a great way of life for men who want to
> feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
>
> Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
>
> Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust
> and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God
> had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more
> money.
>
> If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't
> they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
>
> If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur
> would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. ---
> President, DELTA Airlines
>
> In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour
> bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
>
> It's not that all airplane pilots are
> good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem
> more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
> observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No
> doubt, no doubt.
>
> I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell
> me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
>
> Son, you're going to have to make up your mind
> about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do
> both.
>
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters
> and targets.
>
> You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't
> get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
> you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food.
> So you're grateful.
>
> You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA
> inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
>
> New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not
> happy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop spinner needed |
Harry,
Can you help me on two props for a 520?
I live in Crescent City, 32112 FL.
Frits Abbng
--- Harry Merritt wrote:
> Call Harry he has one.
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Mansfield
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The Commander I fly decided to stress the
> R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's
> not useable or repairable. Fortunately it was found
> with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
> during a ground check. Been trying to get the props
> balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment
> is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
>
> I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner,
> Part # C2531-5P. The plane is an AC-68, Commander
> 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't
> even know where to get one, we called him. Have
> also checked about 10 places. The manufacturer said
> 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two more possibilities,
> but won't know for a couple days.
>
> Does anyone out there know where I can get the
> needed prop spinner. The two spinners on the plane
> are different...I don't know why. The one needed
> has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
> close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold
> it in place and it is a newer version than the
> spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner.
>
>
> I've had help from you guys before and it's
> appreciated. My cell phone number is below. Call
> anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it
> off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> Ft. Walton Beach, FL
> 850-217-5185
>
>
> THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME
> OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
>
>
> AVIATION WISDOM....
>
> The scientific theory I like best is that the
> rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost
> airline baggage.
>
> An old pilot is one who can remember when flying
> was dangerous and sex was safe.
>
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the
> society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
> pessimist the parachute.
>
> If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no
> vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
>
> Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch
> your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
>
> Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This
> is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order --
> need two.
>
> There are only three things the copilot should
> ever say:
> 1. Nice landing, Sir.
> 2. I'll buy the first round.
> 3. I'll take the ugly one.
>
> As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
>
> a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft
> knowing that it is your last flight.
> b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not
> knowing that it is your last flight.
>
> There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are
> made by men who think that they know better how to
> fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were
> made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes
> should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend
> the Laws.
>
> About Rules:
> a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't
> have a better idea and the talent to execute it.
> b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a
> flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a
> bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
>
> The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline
> and aggressiveness.
>
> The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
> aviation profession.
>
> Ever notice that the only experts who decree that
> "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have
> never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
> intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
> day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered
> to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
>
> Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is
> empty and your fuel tanks are full.
>
> He who demands everything that his aircraft can
> give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is
> a fool.
>
> There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
> heard at night.
>
> The aircraft limits are only there in case there
> is another flight by that particular aircraft. If
> subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
> no limits.
>
> Flying is a great way of life for men who want to
> feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
>
> Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
>
> Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust
> and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God
> had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more
> money.
>
> If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't
> they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
>
> If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur
> would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. ---
> President, DELTA Airlines
>
> In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour
> bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
>
> It's not that all airplane pilots are
> good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem
> more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
> observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No
> doubt, no doubt.
>
> I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell
> me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
>
> Son, you're going to have to make up your mind
> about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do
> both.
>
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters
> and targets.
>
> You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't
> get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
> you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food.
> So you're grateful.
>
> You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA
> inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
>
> New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not
> happy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday JT! |
Hi John,
Well, during those extra 6 hours a day, your good wife could teach you
how to make a good muffin. "Muffin Man" has a certain ring about it,
don't you think ;-)
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Towner
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
John,
Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement
party for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot
stories were pretty good. I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12
hour work days.
YOUR FRIEND,
JT :-)
John Vormbaum wrote:
To our esteemed friend John Towner,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways)
today!
Best regards,
/John Vormbaum
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday JT! |
jt, happy birthday, you are way to yourn to even slow down. mason (60)
>From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
>Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:34:52 -0600
>
>*John,
>
>Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement party
> for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot stories
>were pretty good. I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12 hour work
>days.
>
>YOUR FRIEND,
>
>JT :-)
>*
>John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>>To our esteemed friend John Towner,
>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways)
>>today!
>> Best regards,
>> /John Vormbaum
>>
>>*
>>
>>
>>*
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | Update on King Air 200 windshield incident //OT |
from AvWeb 2-8-07
===================================
NTSB Eyes Procedures In King Air Mishap
The NTSB's investigation of a King Air B200 that landed safely last Friday
after suffering serious structural damage is likely to focus on cockpit
checklists and procedures, along with radar data collection. N777AJ was
headed from Rogers, Ark., for Stanton, Va., when it encountered
complications after suffering a shattered (but not blown out) windshield at
27,000 feet and ultimately rained parts down on an aeromedical helicopter
flying below. The helicopter was not struck by debris, and the King Air
landed at Cape Giraradeau, Mo., with buckled wing skins and empennage and
much of the horizontal stabilizer and elevator missing. The King Air's
pilot, Sheldon Stone, said in early reports that the aircraft suffered a
shattered left windshield at altitude and he then depressurized the cabin to
prevent a blowout. According to the King Air pilot operating manual, the
"abnormal checklist" for a cracked windshield specifies a descent to 10,000
feet or other methods to reduce the pressure differential to less than 3 PSI
within 10 minutes. After depressurizing the cabin, Stone and his copilot
then donned their oxygen masks and turned on the valve, but no oxygen
appeared to be forthcoming. The sole-occupant pilots then passed out. Stone,
a 4,200 hour ATP-rated pilot, said he awoke at 7,000 feet and recovered the
aircraft.
According to the aircraft's flight track as provided by FlightAware, the
aircraft reached 27,000 feet just after 7:00 a.m. It cruised at that
altitude until 7:17 when it went to 25,900. At 7:18 the aircraft was at
25,400 but a minute later was back at 27,000 and had slowed from 417 to 104
knots ground speed, further slowing to 44 knots at 7:20, according to
FlightAware. At 7:22, the position report showed holding 27,000 feet and 102
knots. One minute later, the radar indicates 125 knots at 7,800. Aberrations
earlier in the minute-by-minute reporting (from 6:49 to 6:50, the aircraft
is shown to jump from 17,000 to 27,000 then back down) suggest the data may
not be entirely accurate. But the data seem to follow roughly with the
pilot's initial comments and damage suffered by the aircraft.
-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Happy Birthday JT! |
| From: | "Bob Steele" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
John,
Happy Birthday to you!
I guess it's happening, the first of the Baby Boomers are turning 60.
Oh well, you guys are going to lead the rest of to the age of 120. So
congratulations or reaching middle-age!
Your Friend!
Bob Steele
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Birthday Greetings |
A BIG birthday greeting to you John, from the California Central
Coast. Congratulations on making it to 60Im only a few years
behind you.
Now that you are only working half timehave some fun.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Prop spinner needed |
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
And if you can help him, can you help me on two props for a 520?
Bruce Campbell
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frits
Abbing
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
Harry,
Can you help me on two props for a 520?
I live in Crescent City, 32112 FL.
Frits Abbng
--- Harry Merritt wrote:
> Call Harry he has one.
> 321 267-3141
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Mansfield
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:27 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Prop spinner needed
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The Commander I fly decided to stress the
> R/prop spinner in an excessive manner and now it's
> not useable or repairable. Fortunately it was found
> with the 5-6" crack in the metal between the blades
> during a ground check. Been trying to get the props
> balanced but the nearest shop's balancing equipment
> is broke and out for repair...not back yet.
>
> I'm having difficulty locating a prop spinner,
> Part # C2531-5P. The plane is an AC-68, Commander
> 680FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion. Mr. RPM didn't
> even know where to get one, we called him. Have
> also checked about 10 places. The manufacturer said
> 4-6 weeks delivery. We have two more possibilities,
> but won't know for a couple days.
>
> Does anyone out there know where I can get the
> needed prop spinner. The two spinners on the plane
> are different...I don't know why. The one needed
> has 15 screws (not 100% sure of that number, it's
> close, but there are more than L/spinner) to hold
> it in place and it is a newer version than the
> spinner on the L/engine. It's a one-piece spinner.
>
>
> I've had help from you guys before and it's
> appreciated. My cell phone number is below. Call
> anytime. When I can't take calls I turn it
> off...which is usually around 10:30 PM at night.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> Ft. Walton Beach, FL
> 850-217-5185
>
>
> THE FOLLOWING IS TITLED "AVIATION WISDOM". SOME
> OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THIS GOOD STUFF BEFORE.
>
>
> AVIATION WISDOM....
>
> The scientific theory I like best is that the
> rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost
> airline baggage.
>
> An old pilot is one who can remember when flying
> was dangerous and sex was safe.
>
> Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the
> society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the
> pessimist the parachute.
>
> If helicopters are so safe, how come there are no
> vintage/classic helicopter fly-ins.
>
> Death is just nature's way of telling you to watch
> your airspeed (or rotor RPM).
>
> Real planes use only a single stick to fly. This
> is why bulldozers & helicopters -- in that order --
> need two.
>
> There are only three things the copilot should
> ever say:
> 1. Nice landing, Sir.
> 2. I'll buy the first round.
> 3. I'll take the ugly one.
>
> As a pilot, only two bad things can happen to you:
>
> a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft
> knowing that it is your last flight.
> b. One day you will walk out to the aircraft not
> knowing that it is your last flight.
>
> There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are
> made by men who think that they know better how to
> fly your airplane than you. Laws (of Physics) were
> made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes
> should, suspend the Rules, but you can never suspend
> the Laws.
>
> About Rules:
> a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't
> have a better idea and the talent to execute it.
> b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a
> flawless performance. (e.g., if you fly under a
> bridge, don't hit the bridge.)
>
> The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline
> and aggressiveness.
>
> The medical profession is the natural enemy of the
> aviation profession.
>
> Ever notice that the only experts who decree that
> "the age of the pilot is over" are people who have
> never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
> intensity of his or her feelings that the pilot's
> day is over, I know of no expert who has volunteered
> to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.
>
> Before each flight, make sure that your bladder is
> empty and your fuel tanks are full.
>
> He who demands everything that his aircraft can
> give him is a pilot; he who demands one iota more is
> a fool.
>
> There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be
> heard at night.
>
> The aircraft limits are only there in case there
> is another flight by that particular aircraft. If
> subsequent flights do not appear likely, there are
> no limits.
>
> Flying is a great way of life for men who want to
> feel like boys, but not for those who still are.
>
> Flying is a hard way to earn an easy living.
>
> Forget all that stuff about lift, gravity, thrust
> and drag. An airplane flies because of money. If God
> had meant man to fly, He'd have given him more
> money.
>
> If black boxes survive air crashes -- why don't
> they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
>
> If the Wright brothers were alive today, Wilbur
> would have to fire Orville to reduce costs. ---
> President, DELTA Airlines
>
> In the Alaska bush, I'd rather have a two hour
> bladder and three hours of gas than vice versa.
>
> It's not that all airplane pilots are
> good-looking. Just that good-looking people seem
> more capable of flying airplanes. Or so seasoned
> observers contend. A matter of self-confidence? No
> doubt, no doubt.
>
> I've flown in both pilot seats, can someone tell
> me why the other one is always occupied by an idiot?
>
> Son, you're going to have to make up your mind
> about growing up and becoming a pilot. You can't do
> both.
>
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters
> and targets.
>
> You define a good flight by negatives: you didn't
> get hijacked, you didn't crash, you didn't throw up,
> you weren't late, you weren't nauseated by the food.
> So you're grateful.
>
> You know they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA
> inspectors to walk on their hind legs.
>
> New FAA Motto: We're not happy till you're not
> happy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Birthday JT! |
Haha, that is retirement for you! I wish I was there for the party, it
sounds like you had a great day.
My father used to say (we ran our own business too), "I don't mind if
you only work half-days. Any 12 hours is fine."
Cheers & I hope to see you soon. I saw that you & Andrew are on the
curriculum at the Twin Commander University. I have a pregnant wife & a
crazy 2 year old, but if I can swing it, I'll come to the university.
All the best,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: John Towner
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Happy Birthday JT!
John,
Thank you very much, we had a 60th birthday lunch and semi-retirement
party for me with 15 old pilot friends and you can imagine the pilot
stories were pretty good. I told everyone I plan to go from 18 to 12
hour work days.
YOUR FRIEND,
JT :-)
John Vormbaum wrote:
To our esteemed friend John Towner,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! I hope you had blue skies and a tailwind (both ways)
today!
Best regards,
/John Vormbaum
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... |
In a message dated 2/7/2007 6:45:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
deneals(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
JOHN TOWNER!
HAPPY "B" DAY JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Even tho I couldn't be there today.... |
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY
>
> JOHN TOWNER!
>
> HAPPY "B" DAY JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I quit counting. I will not tell any one I am only a year behind you.
Tylor Hall
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | It may not be a Twin Commander but....................... |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
It sure flies like a Ted Smith design.
While many of you I am sure do not care those of you that wonder about where they
are and what they have been doing..
As retirement approached it was clear to me that retirement income and a 685 Commander
were not compatible.
Crunk got me hooked on homebuilts and I acquired an F1 Rocket (se avatar) a great
little fast aerobat. With Crunks help and guidance we modified it a good bit
and put 500 hrs of travel time in.
It was a bit small and with age comes aches and pains when cramped in small spaces.
So the search began for a 200+ knot plane that was economical, roomy and fun.
2 years ago I found it and started building my pride and joy an M14PF powered all
composite Radial Rocket.
Spent a lot of weekends at Schuermanns working on the panel and all my free time
in the hangar cutting, gluing, grinding and sanding.
below is the final result.
We have been going to the hangar hotel in Fredericksburg annually for the last
3 years so this year we are going to change the date to coincide with the TCFG
flyin so look for me in my baby, Crunk in his RV8, and Chris in his mint condition
newly restored Apache 235.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93894#93894
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: It may not be a Twin Commander but....................... |
Hi All,
GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING - FROM THE SURGEON GENERAL.
If Milt is going to attend this year's Fly-In, the use of very dark sunglasses
must surely be made mandatory and must be worn at all times.
THAT SHIRT is bound to be worn, so please, be prepared ;-)
JimBob will assume absolutely NO responsibility for those who do not take the
necessary precautions - you have been warned!
Actually, I'll bring mine too!!!
Look forward to seeing you All.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: It may not be a Twin Commander
but.......................
|
| It sure flies like a Ted Smith design.
|
| While many of you I am sure do not care those of you that wonder about where
they are and what they have been doing..
|
| As retirement approached it was clear to me that retirement income and a 685
Commander were not compatible.
|
| Crunk got me hooked on homebuilts and I acquired an F1 Rocket (se avatar) a
great little fast aerobat. With Crunks help and guidance we modified it a good
bit and put 500 hrs of travel time in.
|
| It was a bit small and with age comes aches and pains when cramped in small
spaces.
|
| So the search began for a 200+ knot plane that was economical, roomy and fun.
|
| 2 years ago I found it and started building my pride and joy an M14PF powered
all composite Radial Rocket.
|
| Spent a lot of weekends at Schuermanns working on the panel and all my free
time in the hangar cutting, gluing, grinding and sanding.
|
| below is the final result.
|
|
|
|
|
| We have been going to the hangar hotel in Fredericksburg annually for the
last 3 years so this year we are going to change the date to coincide with the
TCFG flyin so look for me in my baby, Crunk in his RV8, and Chris in his mint
condition newly restored Apache 235.
|
| --------
| Milt
| N395V
| F1 Rocket
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93894#93894
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | It may not be a Twin Commander but....................... |
Hi Milt,
Wow...what a pretty airplane. Congratulations on your achievement. Sure
looks like a fun plane to tool around in the sky.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:23 AM
Subject: Commander-List: It may not be a Twin Commander
but.......................
It sure flies like a Ted Smith design.
While many of you I am sure do not care those of you that wonder about where
they are and what they have been doing..
As retirement approached it was clear to me that retirement income and a 685
Commander were not compatible.
Crunk got me hooked on homebuilts and I acquired an F1 Rocket (se avatar) a
great little fast aerobat. With Crunks help and guidance we modified it a
good bit and put 500 hrs of travel time in.
It was a bit small and with age comes aches and pains when cramped in small
spaces.
So the search began for a 200+ knot plane that was economical, roomy and
fun.
2 years ago I found it and started building my pride and joy an M14PF
powered all composite Radial Rocket.
Spent a lot of weekends at Schuermanns working on the panel and all my free
time in the hangar cutting, gluing, grinding and sanding.
below is the final result.
We have been going to the hangar hotel in Fredericksburg annually for the
last 3 years so this year we are going to change the date to coincide with
the TCFG flyin so look for me in my baby, Crunk in his RV8, and Chris in his
mint condition newly restored Apache 235.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93894#93894
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | It may not be a Twin Commander but....................... |
Milt my Boy,
It will be great to see you there. Just make sure Crunk puts any filler caps
back on correctly.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Commander-List: It may not be a Twin Commander
but.......................
It sure flies like a Ted Smith design.
While many of you I am sure do not care those of you that wonder about where
they are and what they have been doing..
As retirement approached it was clear to me that retirement income and a 685
Commander were not compatible.
Crunk got me hooked on homebuilts and I acquired an F1 Rocket (se avatar) a
great little fast aerobat. With Crunks help and guidance we modified it a
good bit and put 500 hrs of travel time in.
It was a bit small and with age comes aches and pains when cramped in small
spaces.
So the search began for a 200+ knot plane that was economical, roomy and
fun.
2 years ago I found it and started building my pride and joy an M14PF
powered all composite Radial Rocket.
Spent a lot of weekends at Schuermanns working on the panel and all my free
time in the hangar cutting, gluing, grinding and sanding.
below is the final result.
We have been going to the hangar hotel in Fredericksburg annually for the
last 3 years so this year we are going to change the date to coincide with
the TCFG flyin so look for me in my baby, Crunk in his RV8, and Chris in his
mint condition newly restored Apache 235.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93894#93894
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: It may not be a Twin Commander but....................... |
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Milt,
That looks great! Can't wait to see it in person at the fly-in this year!
/John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94021#94021
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | F1 Rocket forSale |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
Don't need 2 airplanes
Photo's and Specs here
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94128#94128
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: F1 Rocket forSale |
Milt, is that your plane... It's beautiful, what is it?
Brent - N224HA
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
>
> Don't need 2 airplanes
>
>
> Photo's and Specs here
>
>
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
> www.excaliburaviation.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94128#94128
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Milt, is that your plane... It's beautiful, what is it?
Brent - N224HA
y Brow
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: F1 Rocket forSale |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
Which one?
The small one is an F1 Rocket
the large a Radial Rocket
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94175#94175
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello fellow Commanders! If anyone has it, I am in need for a switch (part
# AN3022-11) which is for the nose gear up indicator on my 500B. I believe
this switch is common to all model Commanders.=0AThank you for your help,
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
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r I would greatly appreciate it.=0AThank you,=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Lycombing GSO 480 B1J6 ORB1C6 |
Off topic but does anyone know anthing about the Lycoming GSO 480 B1J6, OR B1C6.
thanks
dan
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| Subject: | Re: Lycombing GSO 480 B1J6 or B1C6 |
Hi Dan,
I don't know what you need to know but if you go to.......
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library%5CrgMakeModel.n
sf/0/F5A16A0263D426FF8525670E0053B056/$FILE/E-284.pdf
........ it may, or may not help.
If that page doesn't load, go to:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf
/MainFrame?OpenFrameSet
and type "E-284" in the search box. This will display the Lycoming Type
Certificate for the GSO-480 series and the -B1C6 and -B1J6 are both
listed. Clicking on one of the displayed items should load the Type
Certificate Data Sheet summary. On that, you'll see a "E-284.pdf" icon.
Click on that and the complete data sheet will load via Adobe Acrobat
Reader.
I've not found any Model Commander with those engines on my database.
Sincere Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Farmer
To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:24 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Lycombing GSO 480 B1J6 ORB1C6
Off topic but does anyone know anthing about the Lycoming GSO 480
B1J6, OR B1C6.
thanks
dan
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lycombing GSO 480 B1J6 ORB1C6 |
In a message dated 2/14/2007 6:30:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com writes:
Off topic but does anyone know anthing about the Lycoming GSO 480 B1J6, OR
B1C6.
What do you need to know?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Lycoming GSO480 B1A6 |
Sorry for the confusion. I was having a brain f_ _t. I was thinking the geared
engines in commanders were continentals. So I am sure I will hear lots of info.
thanks again
dan
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming GSO480 B1A6 |
Dan,
The GSO480-B1A6 engine is the geared Lyc engine that is on the 680
and 680E.
680F has the bigger engine.
The 680's came with the A1A6, but the upgrade was to the B1A6. I am
not sure what the change is.
JB or Barry can give more details.
Why are you asking?
Tylor Hall
On Feb 14, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Dan Farmer wrote:
> Sorry for the confusion. I was having a brain f_ _t. I was
> thinking the geared engines in commanders were continentals. So I
> am sure I will hear lots of info.
> thanks again
> dan
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List _-
> ===========================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming GSO480 B1A6 |
There are two of them forsale on Ebay.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: F1 Rocket forSale |
Hey guys,
Anyone know a good A&P familiar & up to speed on AC-560E's, we need to finish up
our annual?
Thanks,
Brent - N224HA
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
>
> Which one?
>
> The small one is an F1 Rocket
>
> the large a Radial Rocket
>
> --------
> Milt
> N395V
> F1 Rocket
> www.excaliburaviation.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94175#94175
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hey guys,
Anyone know a good A&P familiar & up to speed on AC-560E's, we
need to finish up our annual?
Thanks,
Brent - N224HA
gt; _-
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: F1 Rocket forSale |
| From: | "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> |
Brent-
Not sure where you are, but Summit Aviation in Delaware has done a great
job with mine and the Delaware State Police's 560A's - virtually the
same plane I think. N2760B goes in for annual next week.
Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:31 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: F1 Rocket forSale
Hey guys,
Anyone know a good A&P familiar & up to speed on AC-560E's, we
need to finish up our annual?
Thanks,
Brent - N224HA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <DonGirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: F1 Rocket forSale |
Brent;
Chuck an ex Delta mechanic and pilot does my 560E, in GA. he lives on
Mallard's Landing a fly-in community. I have been well pleased with his
work, he has done mine for about 4 years now.
Don - N2707B
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: F1 Rocket forSale
Hey guys,
Anyone know a good A&P familiar & up to speed on AC-560E's, we need to
finish up our annual?
Thanks,
Brent - N224HA
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Chelton Glass Cockpit |
| From: | Steve N=?ISO-8859-1?B?+vE=?=ez <aerocommander(at)illation.com.sg> |
I was just browsing the Chelton website, and searched for an STC for
commanders. There=B9s a long list of twin commanders that they claim an STC
for.
I seem to recall some controversy recently about this not being available.
Something about the owners of the company being killed. (?)
Does anyone know differently? Essentially:
Are there any glass cockpits that can be installed into a twin-commande
r
and, if so, what are they?
Regards,
- Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: F1 Rocket forSale |
Thanks guys,
Hoping for someone closer to Mpls, MN...maybe a ferry permit will do the trick...anyone
ferried their Commander like this?
PS...who are these guys, looks like there off to a mach dog fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeDdTBQlgIg&mode=related&search
Brent - N224HA
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Don Girod" <DonGirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Brent;
Chuck an ex Delta mechanic and pilot does my 560E, in GA. he lives on Mallard's
Landing a fly-in community. I have been well pleased with his work, he has done
mine for about 4 years now.
Don - N2707B
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: F1 Rocket forSale
Hey guys,
Anyone know a good A&P familiar & up to speed on AC-560E's, we need to finish up
our annual?
Thanks,
Brent - N224HA
gt; _-
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
Thanks guys,
Hoping for someone closer to Mpls, MN...maybe a ferry permit will do the trick...anyone
ferried their Commander like this?
PS...who are these guys, looks like there off to a mach dog fight.
Brent - N224HA
Brent;
Chuck an ex Delta mechanic and pilot does my 560E,
in GA. he lives on Mallard's Landing a fly-in community. I have been well pleased
with his work, he has done mine for about 4 years now.
Don - N2707B
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: F1 Rocket
forSale
Hey guys,
Anyone know a good A&P familiar & up to speed on AC-560E's, we
need to finish up our annual?
Thanks,
Brent - N224HA
gt; _-
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Chelton Glass Cockpit |
Steve-
The issue that you are recalling is mine. Let's see if I cannot fill
you in
a bit here:
Chelton is a VERY large company with many different divisions. Their
Chelton Aviation Corporation division produced a new type of digital
autopilot- and it was this division that lost the primary principles an
an
airplane accident approximately a year ago. This division was absorbed
by
Wulfsberg (another Chelton company) and they have effectively ceased
development and sales of this digital autopilot.
Chelton Flight Systems is the manufacturer of the displays you are
looking
at- and they are alive, healthy and in business!
We are installing a set of Chelton EFIS displays on our 685- and they
are
absolutely fantastic! The folks at Chelton Flight Systems are very
customer
oriented, very friendly and constantly improving their product- I cannot
recommend them highly enough.
When it was obvious that our 90% completed autopilot installation was
not
going to be completed- Chelton Flight Systems became a strong advocate
our
our behalf to find a workable solution for everyone involved. In the
end,
Wulfsberg reimbursed us for all work accomplished in the effort to
replace
the autopilot on the airplane- and they were very helpful in assisting
us
with finding an alternate solution.
If you have any questions about the Chelton displays- let me know. Be
glad
to help out!
Robert Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve N
=FA=F1
ez
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:34
Subject: Commander-List: Chelton Glass Cockpit
I was just browsing the Chelton website, and searched for an STC for
commanders. There=92s a long list of twin commanders that they claim an
STC
for.
I seem to recall some controversy recently about this not being
available.
Something about the owners of the company being killed. (?)
Does anyone know differently? Essentially:
Are there any glass cockpits that can be installed into a
twin-commander
and, if so, what are they?
Regards,
- Steve
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Commanders-
Responding to Steve's email reminded me that I haven't let you all know that
we have succeeded in obtaining an STC to install the Stec-65 into our
Commander 685.
Our local FISDO was extremely helpful in getting this approval- and
installation work began this morning.
If anyone has a similar need- feel free to reach out- I'd be more than happy
to give you some advice on how to succeed with this process.
Robert Randazzo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joseph Menchetti" <menchettij(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming GSO480 B1A6 |
Dear Gentlemen , i have (2) Lycoming GSO-480-B1A6, complete for sale with
props, and some misc parts for the 680E, email me for more details, i can
send you pictures and a video of the engines running in our test bench
2007/2/14, Dan Farmer :
>
> Sorry for the confusion. I was having a brain f_ _t. I was thinking the
> geared engines in commanders were continentals. So I am sure I will hear
> lots of info.
> thanks again
> dan
>
> ------------------------------
> <http://%0a%3cpre%3e%3cb%3e%3cfont+size=2+color=/>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Joseph Menchetti" <menchettij(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Lycoming GSO480 B1A6 |
Dear Gentlemen , i have (2) Lycoming GSO-480-B1A6, complete for sale with
props, and some misc parts for the 680E, email me for more details, i can
send you pictures and a video of the engines running in our test bench
2007/2/14, Dan Farmer :
>
> Sorry for the confusion. I was having a brain f_ _t. I was thinking the
> geared engines in commanders were continentals. So I am sure I will hear
> lots of info.
> thanks again
> dan
>
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Donnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message ----=0AF
rom: Donnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:46:35 PM=0ASubject: O2=0A=0A=0AIf any
one has the Scott bayonet connectors for the O2 console on a commander I wo
uld greatly appreciate it.=0AThank you,=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444
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rom: Donnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:42:58 PM=0ASubject: Switch=0A=0A=0AHe
llo fellow Commanders! If anyone has it, I am in need for a switch (part #
AN3022-11) which is for the nose gear up indicator on my 500B. I believe th
is switch is common to all model Commanders.=0AThank you for your help,=0A
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| From: | "Don Girod" <DonGirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Donnie;
I am not at home so I cannot give you the address, but about three years
ago at Sun & Fun, I purchases several for my 560E with its Scott system.
I believe I still have the package they came in my Commander. Maybe
this will twitch someone else's memory, it was a California Company as I
recall.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Donnie Rose
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: O2
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:46:35 PM
Subject: O2
If anyone has the Scott bayonet connectors for the O2 console on a
commander I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Donnie, TEX-AIR Parts in Ft Worth had one two years ago but they really
wanted a high price for it. My mech found one surplus in San Antonio but
I don't have the address. I can't remember if we got the only one they
had or not either.
This getting old sure has some draw backs.
Good luck
----- Original Message -----
From: Donnie Rose
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Switch
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:42:58 PM
Subject: Switch
Hello fellow Commanders! If anyone has it, I am in need for a switch
(part # AN3022-11) which is for the nose gear up indicator on my 500B. I
believe this switch is common to all model Commanders.
Thank you for your help,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Donnie, I hit the send button before I was through.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: Donnie Rose
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Switch
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:42:58 PM
Subject: Switch
Hello fellow Commanders! If anyone has it, I am in need for a switch
(part # AN3022-11) which is for the nose gear up indicator on my 500B. I
believe this switch is common to all model Commanders.
Thank you for your help,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | Chelton Glass Cockpit |
Steve
I have the Chelton in my 690A . It is far superior to anything I have
seen
.Suggest you contact Chelton in Idaho 208 389 9959 ,and ask for the free
DVD
that explains their system . The system capabilities are incredible and
include TAWS , internal guidance, 3 D representation ,HSI , Fight
Director
,GPS , Flight computer,,,on and on=85.Nick Martin
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve N
=FA=F1
ez
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Chelton Glass Cockpit
I was just browsing the Chelton website, and searched for an STC for
commanders. There=92s a long list of twin commanders that they claim an
STC
for.
I seem to recall some controversy recently about this not being
available.
Something about the owners of the company being killed. (?)
Does anyone know differently? Essentially:
Are there any glass cockpits that can be installed into a
twin-commander
and, if so, what are they?
Regards,
- Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Chelton Glass Cockpit |
Nick,
Do you have a photo of your panel?
A friend has a 690A and is very interested in it.
You can send it to Nico or send it to me off line.
Thanks,
Tylor Hall
On Feb 16, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Nick Martin wrote:
> Steve
>
> I have the Chelton in my 690A . It is far superior to anything I
> have seen .Suggest you contact Chelton in Idaho 208 389 9959 ,and
> ask for the free DVD that explains their system . The system
> capabilities are incredible and include TAWS , internal guidance, 3
> D representation ,HSI , Fight Director ,GPS , Flight computer,,,on
> and on=85.Nick Martin
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve N =FA=F1 ez
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:34 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Chelton Glass Cockpit
>
>
> I was just browsing the Chelton website, and searched for an STC
> for commanders. There=92s a long list of twin commanders that they
> claim an STC for.
>
> I seem to recall some controversy recently about this not being
> available. Something about the owners of the company being killed. (?)
>
> Does anyone know differently? Essentially:
>
> Are there any glass cockpits that can be installed into a twin-
> commander and, if so, what are they?
>
> Regards,
> - Steve
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Thank you Mr. Addington for you help.=0AKindest regards,=0AN69PT=0A=0A =0AD
onnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro
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om=0ASent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:36:05 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander
-List: Fw: Switch=0A=0A=0ADonnie, I hit the send button before I was throug
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=0ASent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:42:58 PM=0ASubject: Switch=0A=0A=0AHe
llo fellow Commanders! If anyone has it, I am in need for a switch (part #
AN3022-11) which is for the nose gear up indicator on my 500B. I believe th
is switch is common to all model Commanders.=0AThank you for your help,=0A
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Don, thank you for your help. If you happen to find that address, I would s
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e;=0A =0AI am not at home so I cannot give you the address, but about three
years ago at Sun & Fun, I purchases several for my 560E with its Scott sys
tem. I believe I still have the package they came in my Commander. Maybe
this will twitch someone else's memory, it was a California Company as I re
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commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:03 PM
=0ASubject: Commander-List: Fw: O2=0A=0A=0A=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-84
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| Subject: | Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net> |
At the risk of sounding elitist, my family owned quite a few aircraft over the
years (from the mid-60's) -- We're spread out over North America, coast to coast.
Oddly enough, of ALL the aircraft, our family liked the 685 Commander the
MOST. They found it simply the quietest, most comfortable, cabin for the majority
of our legs. I did most of the driving. (Like the rest of me, my memory
is beginning to fall apart, so some of these details might be "challenged")
In 1973/1974 we purchased a factory NEW 685 from Eagle Creek (IN) and had it interiored/avionics
in Columbus, OH. It was a pretty fine installation for both
front end and back end folks. The aircraft was based in IND (and later in BFI)
and numbered 685PE. For several years we used it extensively. It performed
flawlessly through all kinds of adverse conditions, Northern Canada to the
deserts of West Texas, having only a single failure -- #1 engine over RIC -- which
resulted in an uneventful single engined landing there. In the late 1970's,
the family sold the 685 and replaced it with a Merlin and subsequently several
other aircraft before the simple aging of the members and their geographic
dispersement made flying our own aircraft simply not feasible. But they never
forgot the 685. They have asked me to try to find it; see if it is for sale
and aquire it, or a similar aircraft, if possible. I have done some searching
but have run aground. Perhaps some of you all in the "Commander circles"
might cast some light on this quest. One caveat: I am relatively sure, but not
positive, the s/n was 12059. It might have been 12057. Any guidance, rumors,
suggestions, warnings, from this group would be most appreciated. Nick Thomas
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-723#95723
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
np, contact barry coleman in uk via this commander list. he knows it all
and sees all , hears all and will tell all. mason
>From: "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:06:54 -0800
>
>
>At the risk of sounding elitist, my family owned quite a few aircraft over
>the years (from the mid-60's) -- We're spread out over North America, coast
>to coast. Oddly enough, of ALL the aircraft, our family liked the 685
>Commander the MOST. They found it simply the quietest, most comfortable,
>cabin for the majority of our legs. I did most of the driving. (Like the
>rest of me, my memory is beginning to fall apart, so some of these details
>might be "challenged") In 1973/1974 we purchased a factory NEW 685 from
>Eagle Creek (IN) and had it interiored/avionics in Columbus, OH. It was a
>pretty fine installation for both front end and back end folks. The
>aircraft was based in IND (and later in BFI) and numbered 685PE. For
>several years we used it extensively. It performed flawlessly through all
>kinds of adverse conditions, Northern Canada to the deserts of West Texas,
>having only a single failure -- #1 engine over RIC -- which resulted in an
>uneventful single engined landin!
> g there. In the late 1970's, the family sold the 685 and replaced it
>with a Merlin and subsequently several other aircraft before the simple
>aging of the members and their geographic dispersement made flying our own
>aircraft simply not feasible. But they never forgot the 685. They have
>asked me to try to find it; see if it is for sale and aquire it, or a
>similar aircraft, if possible. I have done some searching but have run
>aground. Perhaps some of you all in the "Commander circles" might cast
>some light on this quest. One caveat: I am relatively sure, but not
>positive, the s/n was 12059. It might have been 12057. Any guidance,
>rumors, suggestions, warnings, from this group would be most appreciated.
>Nick Thomas
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p-723#95723
>
>
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
I have a really great 685 For sale. It is probably the best one around. It
has great equipment and superb maintenance. Give me a call 937-369-3334 or
email me at _BillLeff(at)aol.com_ (mailto:BillLeff(at)aol.com)
Bill Leff
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
Try Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know they
have AN3022-10's. They may have the -11's also. It is just a momentary contact
version of that series. The AN3022-10 is part of the throttle switch assembly
p/n 34A6066 on a T-6G
Their number is 800-752-4005
Bill Leff
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
thank you bill=0Aregards,=0A=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A
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7:27:46 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Switch=0A=0A=0ATry Lance Aircraft
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Donnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forwarded Message ----=0AF
rom: Donnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
=0ASent: Friday, February 16, 2007 6:58:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List
: Fw: O2=0A=0A=0ADon, thank you for your help. If you happen to find that a
ddress, I would sure appreciate it!=0ABest regards,=0AN69PT=0A=0A =0ADonnie
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Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:13:15 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Fw:
O2=0A=0A=0ADonnie;=0A =0AI am not at home so I cannot give you the address
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Hi Nick,
Firstly, I apologise for not responding to this before, but I've not been
feeling that well for a couple of days. Aching joints and 'flu-like symptoms
have kept me fairly quiet, but I feel a little bit better today.
Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980.
Sadly though, it was damaged beyond repair at Southern Pines-Moore County,North
Carolina (NTSB report ATL89LA121) on April 5th 1989 and has been parted out by
Atlanta Air Salvage, Griffin-Spalding County Airport, Georgia.
I'm sure others on the list will know of any 685's being offered for sale, but
surely Buddy Plaster has one, serial number 112043, N685TT.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
|
| At the risk of sounding elitist, my family owned quite a few aircraft over the
years (from the mid-60's) -- We're spread out over North America, coast to
coast. Oddly enough, of ALL the aircraft, our family liked the 685 Commander
the MOST. They found it simply the quietest, most comfortable, cabin for the
majority of our legs. I did most of the driving. (Like the rest of me, my
memory is beginning to fall apart, so some of these details might be
"challenged") In 1973/1974 we purchased a factory NEW 685 from Eagle Creek (IN)
and had it interiored/avionics in Columbus, OH. It was a pretty fine
installation for both front end and back end folks. The aircraft was based in
IND (and later in BFI) and numbered 685PE. For several years we used it
extensively. It performed flawlessly through all kinds of adverse conditions,
Northern Canada to the deserts of West Texas, having only a single failure -- #1
engine over RIC -- which resulted in an uneventful single engined landin!
| g there. In the late 1970's, the family sold the 685 and replaced it with a
Merlin and subsequently several other aircraft before the simple aging of the
members and their geographic dispersement made flying our own aircraft simply
not feasible. But they never forgot the 685. They have asked me to try to find
it; see if it is for sale and aquire it, or a similar aircraft, if possible. I
have done some searching but have run aground. Perhaps some of you all in the
"Commander circles" might cast some light on this quest. One caveat: I am
relatively sure, but not positive, the s/n was 12059. It might have been 12057.
Any guidance, rumors, suggestions, warnings, from this group would be most
appreciated. Nick Thomas
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| From: | Budplaster(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Barry,
We must have been on the "same flight", metaphorically speaking, because I,
too, have been feeling the same way. But, a couple of young guys like us will
get through this without harm.
I am very much willing to sell my 685-2100 hours TT, 125 hours on each
engine plus all the other neat stuff.
Also, I have folks looking at my 560E at a very fair price. Once these two
great machines are sold to two lucky some ones I am getting a 690A or B before
I am unable to fly without a "younger than I am right-seater"... a
not-so-nice subject with me.
Feel Better,
Buddy
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| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
I am looking for a parts manual for the Commander 690 A . Does anyone know
where I can buy one ? thanks, N690DB
Nicolas E. Martin
Martin Container, Inc.
1402 E. Lomita Blvd.
Wilmington, Ca 90748
Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562
_____
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
go to http://www.esscoaircraft.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2549
for the manual
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
| From: | "tothetop" <zzztothetop(at)MSN.COM> |
I have just bought a 1969 Commander 500S{N88CB} that the main gear failed on during
a hard landing. I bid on it and won it and now my wife is about to kill me.
I was considering selling it in Arizona at its present location or maybe selling
just half?? Also i will need some parts, one actuator on each main is broken,
plus Misc other stuff. Who can help me in finding Commander Parts? Any information
will be appreciated. Thanks
Rich Ziesmer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'091#96091
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
Getting a new wife might be easier.
Tom F.
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tothetop" <zzztothetop(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do????
>
> I have just bought a 1969 Commander 500S{N88CB} that the main gear failed
> on during a hard landing. I bid on it and won it and now my wife is about
> to kill me. I was considering selling it in Arizona at its present
> location or maybe selling just half?? Also i will need some parts, one
> actuator on each main is broken, plus Misc other stuff. Who can help me in
> finding Commander Parts? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks
> Rich Ziesmer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
Rich,
Commander Aero, in Oh has rebuilt actuators. Here is a link to their
web site.
They have parts and can fix stuff. Gary Kromer is their service
manager and has been doing Commander stuff for a long time.
http://www.commander-aero.com/hpump.htm
Sounds like a really hard landing. Is there a lot of belly damage?
Tylor Hall
ABQ, NM
On Feb 19, 2007, at 2:22 PM, tothetop wrote:
>
> I have just bought a 1969 Commander 500S{N88CB} that the main gear
> failed on during a hard landing. I bid on it and won it and now my
> wife is about to kill me. I was considering selling it in Arizona
> at its present location or maybe selling just half?? Also i will
> need some parts, one actuator on each main is broken, plus Misc
> other stuff. Who can help me in finding Commander Parts? Any
> information will be appreciated. Thanks
> Rich Ziesmer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'091#96091
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
Just get the Shrike in the air and she'll come around ending up loving it;
killing you again when you sell it.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of tothetop
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do????
I have just bought a 1969 Commander 500S{N88CB} that the main gear failed on
during a hard landing. I bid on it and won it and now my wife is about to
kill me. I was considering selling it in Arizona at its present location or
maybe selling just half?? Also i will need some parts, one actuator on each
main is broken, plus Misc other stuff. Who can help me in finding Commander
Parts? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks
Rich Ziesmer
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
Dallas air Salvage had two "B" model wrecks some time back 1/800/336-6399.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
----- Original Message -----
From: "tothetop" <zzztothetop(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do????
>
> I have just bought a 1969 Commander 500S{N88CB} that the main gear failed
> on during a hard landing. I bid on it and won it and now my wife is about
> to kill me. I was considering selling it in Arizona at its present
> location or maybe selling just half?? Also i will need some parts, one
> actuator on each main is broken, plus Misc other stuff. Who can help me in
> finding Commander Parts? Any information will be appreciated. Thanks
> Rich Ziesmer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'091#96091
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
| From: | "tothetop" <zzztothetop(at)MSN.COM> |
All the info you are giving me will prove to be helpful. When the gear failed it
slid about 100' on pavement and did wear a hole all the way through the skin
but that won't be bad to fix since the nose gear stayed down. The mains came
back hard and did some damage when that happened but nothing structural I hope.
Got to keep the old wife 'cause I would never find one to put up with as much
as she does, she will get over it I'm sure.
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
If it hit the fuselage near the baggage compartment be sure to check the
elevator and rudder cable tensions and look for damage around the pulley cluster.
Bill Leff
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
Get it from the factory so it is up to date.
Bill Leff
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| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
tothetop wrote:
> I have just bought a 1969 Commander 500S{N88CB} that the main gear failed on
during a hard landing. I bid on it and won it and now my wife is about to kill
me. I was considering selling it in Arizona at its present location or maybe
selling just half?? Also i will need some parts, one actuator on each main is
broken, plus Misc other stuff. Who can help me in finding Commander Parts? Any
information will be appreciated. Thanks
> Rich Ziesmer
Commander Services
Morris Kernick
Cell 321-403-8813
morkerni(at)aol.com
Andrew P Geraghty
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Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net> |
Barry:
"Much obliged" (Yank-ism thanks to Clint Eastwood). That settles the N685PE-where-abouts
issue for me.
Interesting job you have !
And thank you for the broker leads. Ignoring (for the moment) the good wisdom
imparted by several other forum members -- forget the Continental engines and
go with a 690 or equivalent -- I must continue to research the 685 possibilities,
including any re-engine programs which might have been available through
the years, before I go on to alternatives.
Again, your imformation, and insight, is much appreciated.
Nick Phelan
Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980.
Sadly though, it was damaged beyond repair at Southern Pines-Moore County,North
Carolina (NTSB report ATL89LA121) on April 5th 1989 and has been parted out by
Atlanta Air Salvage, Griffin-Spalding County Airport, Georgia.
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net> |
Barry:
BTW I rumaged through your photo collection but didn't find any of s/n 12059.
Did you ever get a picture of that 685?
Nick Phelan
[quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Nick,
Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980.
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard Time,
nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:
I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine
programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on t
o
alternatives.
Nick,
I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your
interest, take a look at this:
MR. RPM=AE Aero Commander FOR SALE
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Hi Nick,
Nope, I never managed to get a shot of that one.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
|
| Barry:
|
| BTW I rumaged through your photo collection but didn't find any of s/n 12059.
Did you ever get a picture of that 685?
|
| Nick Phelan
|
|
| [quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Nick,
|
| Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May
1980.
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
[quote="CloudCraft(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard
Time, nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:
> I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs
which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives.
Nick,
I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your interest,
take a look at this:
MR. RPM? Aero Commander FOR SALE (http://www.mrrpm.com/)
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
> [b]
Keith,
What is the certification status of tht plane?
Is Orenda still making engines.
Too bad the whole concept didn't fly. Clearly seems it would have been superior
to the turbines.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net> |
Commander Gordon:
Many thanks. I think this would a tremendous aircraft but for two small issues:
(1) The need to carry non-flight-crew family member passengers, and (2) the
need to get insurance to carry those passengers at an annual rate less than the
acquisition cost of the 685 !
I wish these guys had had this mod way back when!
Nick Phelan
I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your interest,
take a look at this:
Wing Commander Gordon
> [b]
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Milt-
If they'd have certified them- I'd gladly have hung a set on 414C....
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 15:09
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
[quote="CloudCraft(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific
Standard Time, nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:
> I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine
programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on
to alternatives.
Nick,
I admire your devotion to the AC-685. If you have the money to match your
interest, take a look at this:
MR. RPM? Aero Commander FOR SALE (http://www.mrrpm.com/)
Enjoy!
Wing Commander Gordon
> [b]
Keith,
What is the certification status of tht plane?
Is Orenda still making engines.
Too bad the whole concept didn't fly. Clearly seems it would have been
superior to the turbines.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
In a message dated 20-Feb-07 15:23:55 Pacific Standard Time,
nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:
I think this would a tremendous aircraft but for two small issues: (1) The
need to carry non-flight-crew family member passengers, and (2) the need to get
insurance to carry those passengers at an annual rate less than the
acquisition cost of the 685 !
Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
As to Milt's question about certification status and production of the
engines, I think Bill Leff -- who flew the first prototype -- and Tylor Hall, who
keeps track of Mr. RPM might know the current status. Gentlemen?
Google "Orenda Engine" and you'll find lots of information, though I don't
know how current. The engine did go on some Ag aircraft and there was an
ambitious King Air 90 re-engine program based on the Orenda V8 running parallel
with
the Commander program. (Mr.RPM won the derby and flew way before the King
Air did.)
Last time I checked, the King Air flew, but the fleet-wide re-engine rush
never happened.
Sadly, too, because this was a most viable Commander engine retrofit program
-- Mr. RPM told me it would eventually apply to the 680F series Commanders as
well as the 685 and his first go at this was the "Thunder Engine" which flew
upon a Turbo Commander, demonstrating the range of airframes for the liquid
cooled V8 mod.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net> |
You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more money
into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely it
will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across North Carolina's
countryside, and all......
[2 pics attached]
Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
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| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
The 685 and the tooling for the engines were sold by Dick MaCoon to a
company in Texas.
The company in Texas wants to use the engine in the Automotive racing scene.
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
endaEngine/
Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely
it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
North Carolina's countryside, and all......
[2 pics attached]
Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
The url below has been chopped off by the email message. Just copy and paste
the whole thing up to "engine/" into your browser's address.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
endaEngine/
Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely
it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
North Carolina's countryside, and all......
[2 pics attached]
Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Engine |
I still could not get it to open
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Orenda Engine
>
>
> The url below has been chopped off by the email message. Just copy and
> paste
> the whole thing up to "engine/" into your browser's address.
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:35 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
I heard that Dick MacCoon flew the 685 to Texas to start the program up
again.
Bill Leff
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
The engine was certified by Orenda.
Bill Leff
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
nico(at)cybersuperstore.c wrote:
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
>
> --
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOrendaengine/
this link might work
APG
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Corona CA
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOrendaengine/Aero-Commander-320x240.WMV
nice video
APG
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Corona CA
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Anyone have any confirmation of this?
I've got about 400hrs before I'll even start thinking about engine
replacements- but I'd swap the GTSIOs off if the right opportunity presented
itself. ;-)
Robert Randazzo
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
I heard that Dick MacCoon flew the 685 to Texas to start the program up
again.
Bill Leff
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Nico-
The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
Leff's name.
The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
out there in easy reach.
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
-->
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
I Have the Switch
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Switch
Try Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know
they have AN3022-10's. They may have the -11's also. It is just a
momentary contact version of that series. The AN3022-10 is part of the
throttle switch assembly p/n 34A6066 on a T-6G
Their number is 800-752-4005
Bill Leff
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Engine |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
>
But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and kept
her.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'465#96465
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Exactly my thoughts.
It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
pulled the plug on the project and why.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
Nico-
The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
Leff's name.
The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
out there in easy reach.
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
-->
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
__________ NOD32 2072 (20070220) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Engine |
You know Milt- I was going to say that...
Hahahahah
Robert Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 05:21
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Orenda Engine
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the
> option was out there in easy reach.
>
>
But then you wouldn't have 414C cause I woulda slapped on the Orendas and
kept her.
--------
Milt
N395V
F1 Rocket
www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'465#96465
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
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Lance Aircraft in Dallas. They supply parts for AT-6's and I know they hav
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| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Nico,
This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
they faced and solved is most interesting.
Regards,
Moe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
Exactly my thoughts.
It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
pulled the plug on the project and why.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
Nico-
The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
Leff's name.
The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
out there in easy reach.
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
-->
I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
Jim Addington
N444BD
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> endaEngine/
> Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
>
> BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> unlikely
> it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> North Carolina's countryside, and all......
>
> [2 pics attached]
>
>
> Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Budplaster(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
When I purchased 685TT in January, 2006, in Midland, Tx. someone told me
that the Orenda Engine Project was being conducted in Midland. I can't remember
who told me, but it may have been Dick MacCoon.
Buddy
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Blue book question |
Hi All,
I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me
out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate
price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs
TT, Known Ice, loaded panel?
Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If
anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back
then, I'd be grateful for that info.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Blue book question |
Hi Andrew,
I trust the kids are doing well.
I hope this will help:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Cessna310/
Click on files and view some stats on the 310
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget(at)telus.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question
Hi All,
I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help me out
with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate price of a
1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs TT, Known Ice,
loaded panel?
Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If
anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back
then, I'd be grateful for that info.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blue book question |
Nico, you are a star! Thank you so much. Kids are well, thanks. Rebecca
has settled down well and the boys love their new little sister.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blue book question
Hi Andrew,
I trust the kids are doing well.
I hope this will help:
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Cessna310/
Click on files and view some stats on the 310
Thanks
Nico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget(at)telus.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:58 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Blue book question
Hi All,
I know this is a Commander list, but I was hoping somebody could help
me out with a Cessna price question... Does anybody know the approximate
price of a 1979 Cessna 310 R II Turbo in 1986/87 with about 400-500 hrs
TT, Known Ice, loaded panel?
Yes, yes, I know I shouldn't be swearing on the Commander list. :-) If
anybody has an old blue book, or if you remember some of the prices back
then, I'd be grateful for that info.
Thanks in advance.
God bless,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order
to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full
of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...
> --> Commander-List
message posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons"
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and
anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given
up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8
with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the
Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office
I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about
some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they
faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
>
Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
&
gt; From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM <BR>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <NICO(at)CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> <BR>> Exactly my thoughts. <BR>> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who <BR>> pulled the plug on the project and why. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. <BR>> Randazzo <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM <BR>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randaz
zo" http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp <BR>> Thanks <BR>> Nico <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----
-
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim <BR>> Addington <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM <BR>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com <BR>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <BR>> <JTADDINGTON(at)CHARTER.NET><BR>> <BR>> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. <BR>> <BR>> Jim Addington <BR>> N444BD <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "nico css" <NICO(at)CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> To: <COMMANDER-LIST(at)MATRONICS.COM><BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> > <NICO(at)CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM><BR>> > <BR>>
> I
have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: <BR>> > <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr <BR>> > endaEngine/ <BR>> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. <BR>> > Thanks <BR>> > Nico <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM <BR>> > To: commander-list@matronics.com <BR>> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> > <BR>> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "inphelan" <NICKPHELAN@QWEST.NET><BR>> > <BR>> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more <BR>> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a
n airc
raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
=====
=========
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they
really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly
reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret
anything? I am not holding my breath.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series
Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon
barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise)
that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option
was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Orenda Engine |
In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really
screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing
about the many lives they messed up.
I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the
former Fort Ord) around 1979. This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was using
to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine.
The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM was
using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours, if I'm
not mistaken on the interval.
Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender.
Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew. Dakota Aero was in
business to do the conversions. Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada where
the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran out and it
all came to a stop. Again.
I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the
closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685
Commanders.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Nico-
When the autopilot on N414C went Tango Uniform- I discovered that it was
goign to be as expensive to fix as it would be to replace with a modern new
autopilot. I started out on my quest to find a solution that would work for
me AND would get approved by FAA.
If my initial experience were a sitcom- the TV Guide synopsis would read
like this:
"Pilot interested to enhance the safety of a 685 Commander approaches the
FAA with proposal to remove 1960s vintage euipment and replace it with
modern technology capable of reducing pilot workload and improving safety of
flight for the airplane. Hilarity ensues."
It only took 17 months- but I was finally able to find a fellow (two
actually) at FAA who thought the idea had merit strictly from a safety
standpoint... These guys were open minded- heard my suggestion out- did
some research and then advocated on my behalf to the boss at the ACO. Now
THAT is how the relationship with FAA **SHOULD** work.
Robert Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 20:26
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they
really screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly
reminiscing about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret
anything? I am not holding my breath.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series
Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon
barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise)
that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option
was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
>
http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
__________ NOD32 2074 (20070221) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green into
somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot it
down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really
screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing
about the many lives they messed up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not
holding my breath.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order
to get it certified. Oh well...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> -----Original Message-----
& gt; From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Exactly my thoughts.
> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who
> pulled the plug on the project and why.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> Nico-
>
> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill
> Leff's name.
>
> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was
> out there in easy reach.
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
> -->
>
> I put a shortcut higher up in the hierarchy.
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message---- -
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
>
> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
>
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nico css"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:
> >
> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr
> > endaEngine/
> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
> >
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685cabin_833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump some green
into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the powers that be would shoot
it down qwicker than a flying man hole cover.
You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats
ever look back and think that they really screwed up or do they forever live
in their chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed up.
Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series Commanders?...unfortunately
it sounds like a guy would need a few 55 gallon barrols
full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh well...
> --> Commander-List message
posted by: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons"
>
>
> Nico,
>
> This was a long drawn out project, and
anyone with less drive and tenacity
> than Dick Macoon would have given
up in the very early stages. Trying to
> certify a water cooled V-8 with
the FAA is an almost insurmountable task.
> This was originally the
Thunder engine, and while I do not have the info.
> Here at my office I
believe that it started in about 1978? Listening to
> Dick talk about
some of the problems (both technical and business wise) that
> they faced
and solved is most interesting.
>
> Regards,
>
>
Moe
>
> -----Original Message----- &
; gt; From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list(at)matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR><NICO(at)CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> <BR>> Exactly my thoughts. <BR>> It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I wonder who <BR>> pulled the plug on the project and why. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. <BR>> Randazzo <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list(at)matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Or
enda E
ngine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randaz zo" <B R><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">> <BR><RSRANDAZZO(at)PRECISIONMANUALS.COM>> <BR>> Nico- <BR>> <BR>> The best part about that footage was being able to put a face with Bill <BR>> Leff's name. <BR>> <BR>> The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the option was <BR>> out there in easy reach. <BR>> <BR>> Robert S. Randazzo <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list(at)matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> --> <BR><NICO(at)CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> <BR>> I put a shortcut higher u
p in t
he hierarchy. <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp <BR>> Thanks <BR>> Nico <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message---- - <BR>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim <BR>> Addington <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM <BR>> To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Addington" <BR>> <BR><JTADDINGTON@CHARTER.NET>> <BR>> Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste. <BR>> <BR>> Jim Addington <BR>> N444BD <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "nico css" <BR><NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> To: <BR><COMMANDER-LIST@MATRONICS.COM>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM <BR>> Subject: RE:
Comman
der-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <BR>> > <BR><NICO@CYBERSUPERSTORE.COM>> > <BR>> > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying: <BR>> > <BR>> http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr <BR>> > endaEngine/ <BR>> > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material. <BR>> > Thanks <BR>> > Nico <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > -----Original Message----- <BR>> > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com <BR>> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of inphelan <BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM <BR>> > To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">commander-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName> <BR>> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... <BR>> >
&g
t; > --> Commander-List message posted by: "inphelan"
> >
> > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not dump more
> > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> >
> > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > unlikely
> > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across
> > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> >
> > [2 pics attached]
> >
> >
> > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685
cabin_
833.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ====== =========
>
>
>
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Orenda Engine |
I found this on the web. It gives a recap of the Orenda engine.
Orenda in Canada shut down the V-8 engine several years ago and sold
off the engine to someone in TX.
Read the last paragraph about Texas Recip and the President being
sentenced to 3 years and 5 months for defrauding investors.
Another story of aviation progress.
Tylor Hall
On Feb 22, 2007, at 12:12 AM, skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net wrote:
> I do know via a friend a Powerball winner, maybe she would pump
> some green into somthing like this...Unfortunately I suppose the
> powers that be would shoot it down qwicker than a flying man hole
> cover.
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> You know, I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think
> that they really screwed up or do they forever live in their
> chicken-heaven proudly reminiscing about the many lives they messed
> up. Do they ever regret anything? I am not holding my breath.
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:39 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
>
>
> V8 liquid cooled Commander motor...This is ground breaking material!
>
> maybe a liquid cooled 300 hp V6 for the 500 series
> Commanders?...unfortunately it sounds like a guy would need a few
> 55 gallon barrols full of red ink in order to get it certified. Oh
> well...
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
>
> >
> >
> > Nico,
> >
> > This was a long drawn out project, and anyone with less drive and
> tenacity
> > than Dick Macoon would have given up in the very early stages.
> Trying to
> > certify a water cooled V-8 with the FAA is an almost
> insurmountable task.
> > This was originally the Thunder engine, and while I do not have
> the info.
> > Here at my office I believe that it started in about 1978?
> Listening to
> > Dick talk about some of the problems (both technical and business
> wise) that
> > they faced and solved is most interesting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Moe
> >
> > -----Original Message----- & ; gt; From: owner-commander-list-
> server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> nico css
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:35 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
> >
> >
> > Exactly my thoughts.
> > It sounds like a good engine and a good reason to do it, but I
> wonder who
> > pulled the plug on the project and why.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:36 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: RE: Or enda E ngine
> >
> >
> > Nico-
> >
> > The best part about that footage was being able to put a face
> with Bill
> > Leff's name.
> >
> > The worst part about that footage was that it makes you wish the
> option was
> > out there in easy reach.
> >
> > Robert S. Randazzo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> nico css
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:07 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
> >
> > -->
> >
> > I put a shortcut higher u p in t he hierarchy.
> > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/orendaengine.asp
> > Thanks
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message---- -
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 6:02 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost
> track of....
> >
> >
> >
> > Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "nico css"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: Comman der-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost
> track of....
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander
> flying:
> > >
> > http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/
> AeroCommanderOr
> > > endaEngine/
> > > Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.
> > > Thanks
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> inphelan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:32 PM
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track
> of....
> > >
> > >
> > > You're right! Lost my perspective there for a moment. Why not
> dump more
> > > money into that great big hole-in-the-air called a n airc raft !
> > >
> > > BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is
> > > unlikely
> > > it will be ever photographed again, what with it being
> scattered across
> > > North Carolina's countryside, and all......
> > >
> > > [2 pics attached]
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh! So now you want to be practical!???!!! ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p'381#96381
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Attachments:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685 cabin_ 833.jpg
> > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/685ramp_112.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ====== ========
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
David thank you for the source info,,,Nick
Nicolas E. Martin
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Need a Parts Manual for 690A
go to http://www.esscoaircraft.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2549 for
the manual
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Orenda Engine |
Wing Commander,
Do you remember who all you talked to while you were at the UPO Shadow Group
seven establishment? Was Lee Muher (spelling) still with the project then/
Regards,
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: RE: Orenda Engine
In a message dated 21-Feb-07 20:29:27 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
I always wonder if bureaucrats ever look back and think that they really
screwed up or do they forever live in their chicken-heaven proudly
reminiscing about the many lives they messed up.
I visited the Shadow Race Team facilities in Marina, California (near the
former Fort Ord) around 1979. This was the test cell facility Mr. RPM was
using to run and Dynamo the Thunder Engine.
The FAA could not comprehend the ideas, technology nor the alloys Mr. RPM
was using in this engine and thus made them do a tear down every 50 hours,
if I'm not mistaken on the interval.
Lots of red tape, resulting in red ink and finally they had to surrender.
Then, almost 20 years later the Orenda Engine flew. Dakota Aero was in
business to do the conversions. Somewhere between North Dakota and Canada
where the engines were to be built, money, patients and relationships ran
out and it all came to a stop. Again.
I'm kind of excited to hear there may be one more swing at this -- it's the
closest and most realistic engine retrofit for the 680F series and 685
Commanders.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: RE: Orenda Engine |
Moe,
A friend of mine (since gone West - so I can't reach back and ask) was
friends with a technician named Tony who was running the test cell.
Tony also has an aviation background and is/was a principal in an aircraft
maintenance facility at Salinas, CA (KSNS), lived in Pacific Grove, but beyond
that, I can't remember his details.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Need a Parts Manual for 690A |
You are welcome. I haft to finad all kinds of stuff for our planes, and
some of it pretty hard to get. These guys here helped me greatly in my
time of need, and I would like to return the favor...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Panel gauge needed |
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part. Thank
you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Have you tried the overhaul method? We have had ours done many times.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Panel gauge needed |
rm, you might call commander aero and talk to gary, he may have the old
ones from my plane when we re did the panel. mason
>From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
>Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:29:16 -0600
>
>Hello,
>
> Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
>pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
>gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
>AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
>then drip on the floor.
>
> Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part. Thank
>you.
>
>Ray Mansfield
>hcourier(at)cox.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Thanks for the info David. We checked and overhaul time was 2-3 weeks
and we're real busy flying right now. The gauge is leaking fuel real bad
now and it's not safe to fly it as it is.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: David Owens
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Have you tried the overhaul method? We have had ours done many times.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a couple
of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a couple of
years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I discovered
it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and generally
feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the airplane so I
searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the leak. Glad to hear
that you discovered it before having a similar (or worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could smell
much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made me sick
or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a couple
of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a couple of
years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I discovered
it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and generally
feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the airplane so I
searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the leak. Glad to hear
that you discovered it before having a similar (or worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure, oil
pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in one
gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the instrument:
AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into the casing and
then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "DP" <28bravo(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Ray:
I had a similar occurrence with my 500B. The gage's fuel chamber is
plumbed to an overboard drain, when the aneroid inside the gage develops
a leak fuel is supposed to drain to the outside. Trouble is that the
gasket in the fuel chamber usually dries up and shrinks allowing fuel to
get in the cabin. In my case fuel was leaking down into an energized
Hoskins fuel totalizer. No matter how much you like that 100LL smell
this particular situation can be disconcerning while operating in the
clouds. As you know, the Commander has oil, fuel and hydraulic fluid
all coming into the cabin. This makes a strong case for remote sensing
gages thus eliminating flammables from entering the cabin altogether.
Century Instruments can overhaul the gages, they advised that some of
the aneroids are becoming unobtanium these days in which case you may
have to settle for a different full scale range for the fuel segment.
DP
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could
smell much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made
me sick or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a
couple of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a
couple of years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I
discovered it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and
generally feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the
airplane so I searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the
leak. Glad to hear that you discovered it before having a similar (or
worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure,
oil pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in
one gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the
instrument: AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into
the casing and then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Thanks DP, interesting.
RM
----- Original Message -----
From: DP
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Ray:
I had a similar occurrence with my 500B. The gage's fuel chamber is
plumbed to an overboard drain, when the aneroid inside the gage develops
a leak fuel is supposed to drain to the outside. Trouble is that the
gasket in the fuel chamber usually dries up and shrinks allowing fuel to
get in the cabin. In my case fuel was leaking down into an energized
Hoskins fuel totalizer. No matter how much you like that 100LL smell
this particular situation can be disconcerning while operating in the
clouds. As you know, the Commander has oil, fuel and hydraulic fluid
all coming into the cabin. This makes a strong case for remote sensing
gages thus eliminating flammables from entering the cabin altogether.
Century Instruments can overhaul the gages, they advised that some of
the aneroids are becoming unobtanium these days in which case you may
have to settle for a different full scale range for the fuel segment.
DP
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could
smell much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made
me sick or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a
couple of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a
couple of years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I
discovered it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and
generally feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the
airplane so I searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the
leak. Glad to hear that you discovered it before having a similar (or
worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure,
oil pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in
one gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the
instrument: AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into
the casing and then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the
part. Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
What was weird about my gauge leak was that it wasn't leaking enough to
smell fumes or see anything, but there was plenty of vapor enough to
make both me & my copilot friend very ill. I would've been better off
with a worse leak I think, because I would have immediately noticed it
and gotten the airplane down.
Cheers,
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello John,
Thanks for the information, I'll call Morris.
I had a feeling the gauge was leaking as there was an almost
unnoticeable film of blue/green below unit. I had actually told
maintenance to look at the gauge when I returned from the next flight.
Well, during the next flight it started visibly dripping from the bottom
of the gauge and I could see about 1/8" accumulated in the gauge itself
at about the half-way point of the flight. Was glad to get on the
ground.
Sounds like yours was really putting out the fuel. I never could
smell much in the way of fumes...don't know whether it would have made
me sick or not.
Ray Mansfield
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hi Ray,
You might call Morris Kernick at 321-403-8813, he usually has a
couple of overhauled units in stock. I had the same kind of leak a
couple of years ago, so slow that it was very hard to detect. The way I
discovered it was after a 3-hr. flight, I spent 12 hours throwing up and
generally feeling very ill. I knew it had something to do with the
airplane so I searched the cockpit/panel very carefully & found the
leak. Glad to hear that you discovered it before having a similar (or
worse) experience.
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Panel gauge needed
Hello,
Looking for parts again. I'm in need of the fuel pressure,
oil pressure, oil temperature "triple gauge"...all three indicators in
one gauge. Part # 10640-A. There's also another number of the
instrument: AN2773-1. The one in the plane decided to leak fuel into
the casing and then drip on the floor.
Please email me or call at 850-217-5185 if you have the part.
Thank you.
Ray Mansfield
hcourier(at)cox.net
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| From: | "DP" <28bravo(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
DP, now that's really small.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
He probably meant this little fella here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their
certificate revoked on general principle ;-).
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
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| From: | "Nancy Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
Mine too!!
Roland
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>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
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>So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
>
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Try John owner in KC. He keeps some in stock. .816-472-7711 JB
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Call Sam Cambell At Air Capital Instruments in Wichita 316-942-8668. He has
a lot of old equipment or can repair a lot of it.
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel gauge needed |
Thanks Bill. Will call him in the morning.
RM
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:31 PM
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Call Sam Cambell At Air Capital Instruments in Wichita 316-942-8668.
He has a lot of old equipment or can repair a lot of it.
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| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
Flying lawnmowers should be illegal.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
He probably meant this little fella here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their certificate
revoked on general principle ;-).
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
Look at the bright side, if he messes up, there's little to clean up and
the collateral damage will be negligible.
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He probably meant this little fella here:
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Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
Had a rather exciting Thursday last week on a business trip in
N6253X (my beloved 680F). First leg of the trip was from SBP
(San Luis Obispo, CA) to SQL (San Carlos, CA) to visit two
projects in the bay area. Upon arrival at SQL we observed the
right main gear / wheel, lower engine nacelle and wheel well
coated with oil. Checked the oil reservoir, and it showed one
gallon on the dipstick. We started out with approximately 4
gallons, so must have lost 2-3 gallons during the one hour
flight. Nothing could be observed on the outside of the engine
that would account for this oil loss. I was able to get a local
engine shop to tow the plane to their facility to look it over
while we conducted business in the bay area. Upon return from
business around 3 PM, the engine shop had not been able to look
at the plane, nor would they be able to look at it until the next
day. Upon considerable discussion, we decided to top off the oil
at 5 gallons and fly the plane home to SBP. It would be a short
trip (about 45 minutes with strong tail winds). We planned to
monitor the right engine carefully, and if it showed signs of
trouble (loss of oil pressure, high CHT, etc) we would shut it
down and proceed home on one engine. About 20 minutes into the
flight, level at 11,500, the right engine is running fine,
however we noticed that the left engine is showing drop in oil
pressure with CHTs going up. We are thinking whats going on
here..??. My co-pilot (and associate) Doug looks at the left
engine and it is spewing oil out from under the engine nacelle.
I immediately pull power back to about 20 inches on both engines,
announce to Norcal Approach that we are making an immediate
landing at SNS (Salinas) and point the nose down. The left CHT
is staying in the green, and the oil pressure is down to about 15
to 20 lbs. I am hoping to make it down without losing the left
engine. No such luckabout a minute later the left engine seizes
with a shudder, and I feather it. With the right engine still
suspect, I declare an emergency and we land without further
incident at SNS. I was actually able to taxi in to parking on
one enginenot easy in a Commander. Until the left engine
seized, the CHT never left the green, and the oil pressure
remained at about 20 lbs.
The folks at SNS were great, along with Norcal approach and the
tower in handling our emergency. Checked oil levels in both
engines5 gals in the right (no loss of oil in the 20 minute
flight), empty in the left. Turns out that the left engine threw
a rod on the No. 6 cylinder, and blew a 5 diameter hole in the
top of the case. The airplane is now in the good hands of Dave
Teeters and Airmotive Specialties at SNS. Dave Teeters, Morris
Kernick (my Commander guru from Stockton) and I spent the better
part of Saturday in SNS poking around the airplane trying to
determine the cause(s) of the problems experienced on both
engines. The airplane just came out of annual (performed by
Morris 5.5 hours ago) where 2 cylinders were replaced on the
right engine, and one cylinder was replaced on the left engine.
The theory on the table at this time is that we have a problem
with the rings in the new cylinders. Since we have found no
sources of oil leaks on the engines (blown out seals, broken
hoses, loose clamps, etc) the only way for the oil to leave the
engine is through the breather. If the crankcase is pressurized
with combustion gases blown by the rings, the oil could be pushed
out the breather..?? The right engine has been cleaned and run,
with no loss of oil or oil leaks. The screens have been pulled
and show lots of metal. The left engine was removed from the
airplane yesterday, and cylinders will be pulled on Monday. We
are very interested to see what the rings and cylinders look
like.
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation. It is
certainly curious that I did not experience any problems until
5.5 hours after the annual. The facts are that both engines
received new cylinders, both engines experienced a major oil
event, and both events occurred at the same time. Any thoughts
you may have will be appreciated. Ill keep you all informed of
what we find in the coming days.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Failure in N6253X |
In a message dated 24-Feb-07 08:56:00 Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation.
That's an uderstatement! Good job on the O.E.I. approach, landing -- and the
really hard part -- taxi!
Between Morris and Dave Teeters, you're in good hands and the common
denominator does seem to be the new cylinders.
You didn't say if the rod failure was with one of the new jugs.
I've had bad piston rings on an IGSO-540 pressurize the case and blow oil, so
I'm going to vote for that theory -- but do let us know.
Tell Morris I say hello as I know you'll be in close contact with him the
next few days.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
The new cylinder was the outboard middle cylinder. The failed
rod was on the aft outboard cylinder (next to the new cylinder).
Thanks for your input.
RD
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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In a message dated 24-Feb-07 08:56:00 Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation.
That's an uderstatement! Good job on the O.E.I. approach,
landing -- and the really hard part -- taxi!
Between Morris and Dave Teeters, you're in good hands and the
common denominator does seem to be the new cylinders.
You didn't say if the rod failure was with one of the new jugs.
I've had bad piston rings on an IGSO-540 pressurize the case and
blow oil, so I'm going to vote for that theory -- but do let us
know.
Tell Morris I say hello as I know you'll be in close contact with
him the next few days.
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| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Failure in N6253X |
Randy,
You are not at all alone on this one, as I have had a strange Oil
disappearing act on my 680, it happened two times on the left side and
we found the Oil separator was full of gunk, cleaned and it was again
OK. I have just put a new Engine on that side which Morris found for me.
I just flew it yesterday for the first time to break-in and after about
:20 Minutes Oil Pres went down to 30 PSI, and the Simmonds started
acting up so I feathered it and landed, I had dropped 17 quarts of Oil.
We cleaned it up and did a ground run this morning and found a broken
High Pressure Oil line to the OP Gage that was cracked, It made me feel
a lot better knowing the reason for the loss of oil. I was able to taxi
all the way back to the Hanger only because I was able to keep my speed
up.
I hope you find out about yours, keep us posted.
Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Had a rather exciting Thursday last week on a business trip in N6253X
(my beloved 680F). First leg of the trip was from SBP (San Luis Obispo,
CA) to SQL (San Carlos, CA) to visit two projects in the bay area. Upon
arrival at SQL we observed the right main gear / wheel, lower engine
nacelle and wheel well coated with oil. Checked the oil reservoir, and
it showed one gallon on the dipstick. We started out with approximately
4 gallons, so must have lost 2-3 gallons during the one hour flight.
Nothing could be observed on the outside of the engine that would
account for this oil loss. I was able to get a local engine shop to tow
the plane to their facility to look it over while we conducted business
in the bay area. Upon return from business around 3 PM, the engine shop
had not been able to look at the plane, nor would they be able to look
at it until the next day. Upon considerable discussion, we decided to
top off the oil at 5 gallons and fly the plane home to SBP. It would be
a short trip (about 45 minutes with strong tail winds). We planned to
monitor the right engine carefully, and if it showed signs of trouble
(loss of oil pressure, high CHT, etc) we would shut it down and proceed
home on one engine. About 20 minutes into the flight, level at 11,500,
the right engine is running fine, however we noticed that the "left"
engine is showing drop in oil pressure with CHT's going up. We are
thinking "what's going on here..??". My co-pilot (and associate) Doug
looks at the left engine and it is spewing oil out from under the engine
nacelle. I immediately pull power back to about 20 inches on both
engines, announce to Norcal Approach that we are making an immediate
landing at SNS (Salinas) and point the nose down. The left CHT is
staying in the green, and the oil pressure is down to about 15 to 20
lbs. I am hoping to make it down without losing the left engine. No
such luck.about a minute later the left engine seizes with a shudder,
and I feather it. With the right engine still suspect, I declare an
emergency and we land without further incident at SNS. I was actually
able to taxi in to parking on one engine.not easy in a Commander. Until
the left engine seized, the CHT never left the green, and the oil
pressure remained at about 20 lbs.
The folks at SNS were great, along with Norcal approach and the tower
in handling our emergency. Checked oil levels in both engines.5 gals in
the right (no loss of oil in the 20 minute flight), empty in the left.
Turns out that the left engine threw a rod on the No. 6 cylinder, and
blew a 5" diameter hole in the top of the case. The airplane is now in
the good hands of Dave Teeters and Airmotive Specialties at SNS. Dave
Teeters, Morris Kernick (my Commander guru from Stockton) and I spent
the better part of Saturday in SNS poking around the airplane trying to
determine the cause(s) of the problems experienced on both engines. The
airplane just came out of annual (performed by Morris 5.5 hours ago)
where 2 cylinders were replaced on the right engine, and one cylinder
was replaced on the left engine. The theory on the table at this time
is that we have a problem with the rings in the new cylinders. Since we
have found no sources of oil leaks on the engines (blown out seals,
broken hoses, loose clamps, etc) the only way for the oil to leave the
engine is through the breather. If the crankcase is pressurized with
combustion gases blown by the rings, the oil could be pushed out the
breather..?? The right engine has been cleaned and run, with no loss of
oil or oil leaks. The screens have been pulled and show lots of metal.
The left engine was removed from the airplane yesterday, and cylinders
will be pulled on Monday. We are very interested to see what the rings
and cylinders look like.
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation. It is certainly
curious that I did not experience any problems until 5.5 hours after the
annual. The facts are that "both" engines received new cylinders,
"both" engines experienced a major oil event, and both events occurred
at the "same time". Any thoughts you may have will be appreciated.
I'll keep you all informed of what we find in the coming days.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
If the Airline Transport Associate and the FAA get their way- that's about
all we'll all be able to afford to fly...
Robert S. Randazzo
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Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
Look at the bright side, if he messes up, there's little to clean up and the
collateral damage will be negligible.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
Flying lawnmowers should be illegal.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
He probably meant this little fella here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their certificate
revoked on general principle ;-).
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Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Failure in N6253X |
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Randy,
I heard about your adventures from Morris last week....I was going to call but
figured you'd be in mourning for a while. I know I would.
I'm glad you got down safely, and managed to keep the right one turning. Hopefully
Dave & Morris can get you back flying quickly!
/John
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| Subject: | Speaking of weird engine issues... |
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
There seems to be a rash of engine weirdness going around. I blew both oil coolers,
at idle, 5 sec. apart after startup one day. We replaced the coolers, checked
everything, started up again on a nice, sunny, 63-deg. day, and blew the
left one again. Turns out the filters that are on it (don't remember the name)
have fewer oil return holes than the Champions we normally use....which built
the pressure in the cooler loop up to 650psi! It looks like the Champions will
return the airplane to its normal behavior.
The coolers are bench tested to 400psi, and we've discovered that normal pressure
for that part of the oil system is about 200-250psi.
Oh, and the $2k environmental cleanup charge (to recover the 14 quarts of oil spilled
on the ramp), courtesy of Marin County Airports, was a real drag too.
/John
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Speaking of weird engine issues... |
I'll trade your $2K clean-up for my $$$ engine replacement.
RD
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Speaking of weird engine issues...
There seems to be a rash of engine weirdness going around. I blew both oil
coolers, at idle, 5 sec. apart after startup one day. We replaced the
coolers, checked everything, started up again on a nice, sunny, 63-deg. day,
and blew the left one again. Turns out the filters that are on it (don't
remember the name) have fewer oil return holes than the Champions we
normally use....which built the pressure in the cooler loop up to 650psi! It
looks like the Champions will return the airplane to its normal behavior.
The coolers are bench tested to 400psi, and we've discovered that normal
pressure for that part of the oil system is about 200-250psi.
Oh, and the $2k environmental cleanup charge (to recover the 14 quarts of
oil spilled on the ramp), courtesy of Marin County Airports, was a real drag
too.
/John
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Speaking of weird engine issues... |
John-
Are you SERIOUS??? $2000??????
I'm not sure I'd want to live in a place like that....
Robert S. Randazzo
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:04
Subject: Commander-List: Speaking of weird engine issues...
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There seems to be a rash of engine weirdness going around. I blew both oil
coolers, at idle, 5 sec. apart after startup one day. We replaced the
coolers, checked everything, started up again on a nice, sunny, 63-deg. day,
and blew the left one again. Turns out the filters that are on it (don't
remember the name) have fewer oil return holes than the Champions we
normally use....which built the pressure in the cooler loop up to 650psi! It
looks like the Champions will return the airplane to its normal behavior.
The coolers are bench tested to 400psi, and we've discovered that normal
pressure for that part of the oil system is about 200-250psi.
Oh, and the $2k environmental cleanup charge (to recover the 14 quarts of
oil spilled on the ramp), courtesy of Marin County Airports, was a real drag
too.
/John
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
Randy,
I went on line and found a IGSO-504 at Dodson if you need it.
http://www.dodson.com/engines_piston_lycoming.htm
What kind of cylinders did Morris use? New, rebuilt Lyc, or the new Superior
or EIC?
Tylor Hall
"Randy Dettmer, AIA" wrote:
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The new cylinder was the outboard middle cylinder. The failed rod was
on the aft outboard cylinder (next to the new cylinder).
Thanks for your input.
RD
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
In a message dated 24-Feb-07 08:56:00 Pacific Standard Time, rcdettmer(at)charter.net
writes:
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation.
That's an uderstatement! Good job on the O.E.I. approach, landing -- and the
really hard part -- taxi!
Between Morris and Dave Teeters, you're in good hands and the common denominator
does seem to be the new cylinders.
You didn't say if the rod failure was with one of the new jugs.
I've had bad piston rings on an IGSO-540 pressurize the case and blow oil, so
I'm going to vote for that theory -- but do let us know.
Tell Morris I say hello as I know you'll be in close contact with him the next
few days.
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: worlds smallest airplane |
If the FAA user-fees kick in, one would have one of few laughs by sending a
check for $0.02, huh?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
If the Airline Transport Associate and the FAA get their way- that's about
all we'll all be able to afford to fly...
Robert S. Randazzo
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 23:54
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
Look at the bright side, if he messes up, there's little to clean up and the
collateral damage will be negligible.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 11:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
Flying lawnmowers should be illegal.
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: worlds smallest airplane
He probably meant this little fella here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlV8WJ6N3nU
Of course, anyone willing to fly that should probably have their certificate
revoked on general principle ;-).
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So small, it's invisible! (At least via my email server.)
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
Sorry to hear about your engines, Randy.
My hair stood on end imagining what I would think when the right engine is
the suspect one and the left one fails.
I bet the guys at SQL could kick themselves for having lost a bit of work
there, don't you think? But it's better that you are in good hands now.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Had a rather exciting Thursday last week on a business trip in N6253X (my
beloved 680F). First leg of the trip was from SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) to
SQL (San Carlos, CA) to visit two projects in the bay area. Upon arrival at
SQL we observed the right main gear / wheel, lower engine nacelle and wheel
well coated with oil. Checked the oil reservoir, and it showed one gallon
on the dipstick. We started out with approximately 4 gallons, so must have
lost 2-3 gallons during the one hour flight. Nothing could be observed on
the outside of the engine that would account for this oil loss. I was able
to get a local engine shop to tow the plane to their facility to look it
over while we conducted business in the bay area. Upon return from business
around 3 PM, the engine shop had not been able to look at the plane, nor
would they be able to look at it until the next day. Upon considerable
discussion, we decided to top off the oil at 5 gallons and fly the plane
home to SBP. It would be a short trip (about 45 minutes with strong tail
winds). We planned to monitor the right engine carefully, and if it showed
signs of trouble (loss of oil pressure, high CHT, etc) we would shut it down
and proceed home on one engine. About 20 minutes into the flight, level at
11,500, the right engine is running fine, however we noticed that the "left"
engine is showing drop in oil pressure with CHT's going up. We are thinking
"what's going on here..??". My co-pilot (and associate) Doug looks at the
left engine and it is spewing oil out from under the engine nacelle. I
immediately pull power back to about 20 inches on both engines, announce to
Norcal Approach that we are making an immediate landing at SNS (Salinas) and
point the nose down. The left CHT is staying in the green, and the oil
pressure is down to about 15 to 20 lbs. I am hoping to make it down without
losing the left engine. No such luck.about a minute later the left engine
seizes with a shudder, and I feather it. With the right engine still
suspect, I declare an emergency and we land without further incident at SNS.
I was actually able to taxi in to parking on one engine.not easy in a
Commander. Until the left engine seized, the CHT never left the green, and
the oil pressure remained at about 20 lbs.
The folks at SNS were great, along with Norcal approach and the tower in
handling our emergency. Checked oil levels in both engines.5 gals in the
right (no loss of oil in the 20 minute flight), empty in the left. Turns
out that the left engine threw a rod on the No. 6 cylinder, and blew a 5"
diameter hole in the top of the case. The airplane is now in the good hands
of Dave Teeters and Airmotive Specialties at SNS. Dave Teeters, Morris
Kernick (my Commander guru from Stockton) and I spent the better part of
Saturday in SNS poking around the airplane trying to determine the cause(s)
of the problems experienced on both engines. The airplane just came out of
annual (performed by Morris 5.5 hours ago) where 2 cylinders were replaced
on the right engine, and one cylinder was replaced on the left engine. The
theory on the table at this time is that we have a problem with the rings in
the new cylinders. Since we have found no sources of oil leaks on the
engines (blown out seals, broken hoses, loose clamps, etc) the only way for
the oil to leave the engine is through the breather. If the crankcase is
pressurized with combustion gases blown by the rings, the oil could be
pushed out the breather..?? The right engine has been cleaned and run, with
no loss of oil or oil leaks. The screens have been pulled and show lots of
metal. The left engine was removed from the airplane yesterday, and
cylinders will be pulled on Monday. We are very interested to see what the
rings and cylinders look like.
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation. It is certainly
curious that I did not experience any problems until 5.5 hours after the
annual. The facts are that "both" engines received new cylinders, "both"
engines experienced a major oil event, and both events occurred at the "same
time". Any thoughts you may have will be appreciated. I'll keep you all
informed of what we find in the coming days.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
Thanks for the thought Nico. The shop in SNS is top notch. I am
lucky to have dropped out of the sky into such a capable
facility.
RD
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
nico css
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Sorry to hear about your engines, Randy.
My hair stood on end imagining what I would think when the right
engine is the suspect one and the left one fails.
I bet the guys at SQL could kick themselves for having lost a bit
of work there, don't you think? But it's better that you are in
good hands now.
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Had a rather exciting Thursday last week on a business trip in
N6253X (my beloved 680F). First leg of the trip was from SBP
(San Luis Obispo, CA) to SQL (San Carlos, CA) to visit two
projects in the bay area. Upon arrival at SQL we observed the
right main gear / wheel, lower engine nacelle and wheel well
coated with oil. Checked the oil reservoir, and it showed one
gallon on the dipstick. We started out with approximately 4
gallons, so must have lost 2-3 gallons during the one hour
flight. Nothing could be observed on the outside of the engine
that would account for this oil loss. I was able to get a local
engine shop to tow the plane to their facility to look it over
while we conducted business in the bay area. Upon return from
business around 3 PM, the engine shop had not been able to look
at the plane, nor would they be able to look at it until the next
day. Upon considerable discussion, we decided to top off the oil
at 5 gallons and fly the plane home to SBP. It would be a short
trip (about 45 minutes with strong tail winds). We planned to
monitor the right engine carefully, and if it showed signs of
trouble (loss of oil pressure, high CHT, etc) we would shut it
down and proceed home on one engine. About 20 minutes into the
flight, level at 11,500, the right engine is running fine,
however we noticed that the "left" engine is showing drop in oil
pressure with CHT's going up. We are thinking "what's going on
here..??". My co-pilot (and associate) Doug looks at the left
engine and it is spewing oil out from under the engine nacelle.
I immediately pull power back to about 20 inches on both engines,
announce to Norcal Approach that we are making an immediate
landing at SNS (Salinas) and point the nose down. The left CHT
is staying in the green, and the oil pressure is down to about 15
to 20 lbs. I am hoping to make it down without losing the left
engine. No such luck.about a minute later the left engine seizes
with a shudder, and I feather it. With the right engine still
suspect, I declare an emergency and we land without further
incident at SNS. I was actually able to taxi in to parking on
one engine.not easy in a Commander. Until the left engine
seized, the CHT never left the green, and the oil pressure
remained at about 20 lbs.
The folks at SNS were great, along with Norcal approach and the
tower in handling our emergency. Checked oil levels in both
engines.5 gals in the right (no loss of oil in the 20 minute
flight), empty in the left. Turns out that the left engine threw
a rod on the No. 6 cylinder, and blew a 5" diameter hole in the
top of the case. The airplane is now in the good hands of Dave
Teeters and Airmotive Specialties at SNS. Dave Teeters, Morris
Kernick (my Commander guru from Stockton) and I spent the better
part of Saturday in SNS poking around the airplane trying to
determine the cause(s) of the problems experienced on both
engines. The airplane just came out of annual (performed by
Morris 5.5 hours ago) where 2 cylinders were replaced on the
right engine, and one cylinder was replaced on the left engine.
The theory on the table at this time is that we have a problem
with the rings in the new cylinders. Since we have found no
sources of oil leaks on the engines (blown out seals, broken
hoses, loose clamps, etc) the only way for the oil to leave the
engine is through the breather. If the crankcase is pressurized
with combustion gases blown by the rings, the oil could be pushed
out the breather..?? The right engine has been cleaned and run,
with no loss of oil or oil leaks. The screens have been pulled
and show lots of metal. The left engine was removed from the
airplane yesterday, and cylinders will be pulled on Monday. We
are very interested to see what the rings and cylinders look
like.
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation. It is
certainly curious that I did not experience any problems until
5.5 hours after the annual. The facts are that "both" engines
received new cylinders, "both" engines experienced a major oil
event, and both events occurred at the "same time". Any thoughts
you may have will be appreciated. I'll keep you all informed of
what we find in the coming days.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
rcdettmer(at)charter.net wrote:
> I'll trade your $2K clean-up for my $$$ engine replacement.
>
> RD
>
> DettmerArchitecture
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> --
Ha, compared to you Randy, I got off easy, both in the financial and adrenaline
departments.
Robert, Marin County Airport (Gnoss Field) is surrounded on 3 sides by protected
wetlands and 4 sides by tree-hugging hippies. I'm as green as the next guy,
but $2,200 seems a little excessive for some Pig Blankets & Simple Green. I'll
do my best in the future to have any of these issues in the desert, where some
kid would come throw kitty litter on the spill & that's the last I'd hear of
it.
/John
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
I don't want to drift into unpleasant territory here with that cross-wind,
but if folks would vote and vote right we might stop this nonsense. Ordinary
folks do not have the time or inclination to be activists, so it takes time
for them to realize that they got bamboozled.
>-----------------------
Ha, compared to you Randy, I got off easy, both in the financial and
adrenaline departments.
Robert, Marin County Airport (Gnoss Field) is surrounded on 3 sides by
protected wetlands and 4 sides by tree-hugging hippies. I'm as green as the
next guy, but $2,200 seems a little excessive for some Pig Blankets & Simple
Green. I'll do my best in the future to have any of these issues in the
desert, where some kid would come throw kitty litter on the spill & that's
the last I'd hear of it.
/John
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| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
A few years ago some guys that I know did crash a Metro Liner out in the
Desert (everyone walked away), and as I remember the clean up costs were
about $ 40,000.00....federal land don't you know.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
rcdettmer(at)charter.net wrote:
> I'll trade your $2K clean-up for my $$$ engine replacement.
>
> RD
>
> DettmerArchitecture
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> --
Ha, compared to you Randy, I got off easy, both in the financial and
adrenaline departments.
Robert, Marin County Airport (Gnoss Field) is surrounded on 3 sides by
protected wetlands and 4 sides by tree-hugging hippies. I'm as green as the
next guy, but $2,200 seems a little excessive for some Pig Blankets & Simple
Green. I'll do my best in the future to have any of these issues in the
desert, where some kid would come throw kitty litter on the spill & that's
the last I'd hear of it.
/John
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
In a message dated 2/24/2007 12:33:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:
I'm not sure I'd want to live in a place like that....
Im sure I DONT WANT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. jb
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
Nice job Randy.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Had a rather exciting Thursday last week on a business trip in N6253X (my
beloved 680F). First leg of the trip was from SBP (San Luis Obispo, CA) to
SQL (San Carlos, CA) to visit two projects in the bay area. Upon arrival at
SQL we observed the right main gear / wheel, lower engine nacelle and wheel
well coated with oil. Checked the oil reservoir, and it showed one gallon
on the dipstick. We started out with approximately 4 gallons, so must have
lost 2-3 gallons during the one hour flight. Nothing could be observed on
the outside of the engine that would account for this oil loss. I was able
to get a local engine shop to tow the plane to their facility to look it
over while we conducted business in the bay area. Upon return from business
around 3 PM, the engine shop had not been able to look at the plane, nor
would they be able to look at it until the next day. Upon considerable
discussion, we decided to top off the oil at 5 gallons and fly the plane
home to SBP. It would be a short trip (about 45 minutes with strong tail
winds). We planned to monitor the right engine carefully, and if it showed
signs of trouble (loss of oil pressure, high CHT, etc) we would shut it down
and proceed home on one engine. About 20 minutes into the flight, level at
11,500, the right engine is running fine, however we noticed that the "left"
engine is showing drop in oil pressure with CHT's going up. We are thinking
"what's going on here..??". My co-pilot (and associate) Doug looks at the
left engine and it is spewing oil out from under the engine nacelle. I
immediately pull power back to about 20 inches on both engines, announce to
Norcal Approach that we are making an immediate landing at SNS (Salinas) and
point the nose down. The left CHT is staying in the green, and the oil
pressure is down to about 15 to 20 lbs. I am hoping to make it down without
losing the left engine. No such luck.about a minute later the left engine
seizes with a shudder, and I feather it. With the right engine still
suspect, I declare an emergency and we land without further incident at SNS.
I was actually able to taxi in to parking on one engine.not easy in a
Commander. Until the left engine seized, the CHT never left the green, and
the oil pressure remained at about 20 lbs.
The folks at SNS were great, along with Norcal approach and the tower in
handling our emergency. Checked oil levels in both engines.5 gals in the
right (no loss of oil in the 20 minute flight), empty in the left. Turns
out that the left engine threw a rod on the No. 6 cylinder, and blew a 5"
diameter hole in the top of the case. The airplane is now in the good hands
of Dave Teeters and Airmotive Specialties at SNS. Dave Teeters, Morris
Kernick (my Commander guru from Stockton) and I spent the better part of
Saturday in SNS poking around the airplane trying to determine the cause(s)
of the problems experienced on both engines. The airplane just came out of
annual (performed by Morris 5.5 hours ago) where 2 cylinders were replaced
on the right engine, and one cylinder was replaced on the left engine. The
theory on the table at this time is that we have a problem with the rings in
the new cylinders. Since we have found no sources of oil leaks on the
engines (blown out seals, broken hoses, loose clamps, etc) the only way for
the oil to leave the engine is through the breather. If the crankcase is
pressurized with combustion gases blown by the rings, the oil could be
pushed out the breather..?? The right engine has been cleaned and run, with
no loss of oil or oil leaks. The screens have been pulled and show lots of
metal. The left engine was removed from the airplane yesterday, and
cylinders will be pulled on Monday. We are very interested to see what the
rings and cylinders look like.
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation. It is certainly
curious that I did not experience any problems until 5.5 hours after the
annual. The facts are that "both" engines received new cylinders, "both"
engines experienced a major oil event, and both events occurred at the "same
time". Any thoughts you may have will be appreciated. I'll keep you all
informed of what we find in the coming days.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
The joys of living in the country of California.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
I don't want to drift into unpleasant territory here with that cross-wind,
but if folks would vote and vote right we might stop this nonsense. Ordinary
folks do not have the time or inclination to be activists, so it takes time
for them to realize that they got bamboozled.
>-----------------------
Ha, compared to you Randy, I got off easy, both in the financial and
adrenaline departments.
Robert, Marin County Airport (Gnoss Field) is surrounded on 3 sides by
protected wetlands and 4 sides by tree-hugging hippies. I'm as green as the
next guy, but $2,200 seems a little excessive for some Pig Blankets & Simple
Green. I'll do my best in the future to have any of these issues in the
desert, where some kid would come throw kitty litter on the spill & that's
the last I'd hear of it.
/John
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Failure in N6253X |
you just have to love these planes. mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Nice job Randy.
bilbo
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Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Commander Chat
Subject: Commander-List: Engine Failure in N6253X
Had a rather exciting Thursday last week on a business trip in N6253X
(my beloved 680F). First leg of the trip was from SBP (San Luis Obispo,
CA) to SQL (San Carlos, CA) to visit two projects in the bay area. Upon
arrival at SQL we observed the right main gear / wheel, lower engine
nacelle and wheel well coated with oil. Checked the oil reservoir, and
it showed one gallon on the dipstick. We started out with approximately
4 gallons, so must have lost 2-3 gallons during the one hour flight.
Nothing could be observed on the outside of the engine that would
account for this oil loss. I was able to get a local engine shop to tow
the plane to their facility to look it over while we conducted business
in the bay area. Upon return from business around 3 PM, the engine shop
had not been able to look at the plane, nor would they be able to look
at it until the next day. Upon considerable discussion, we decided to
top off the oil at 5 gallons and fly the plane home to SBP. It would be
a short trip (about 45 minutes with strong tail winds). We planned to
monitor the right engine carefully, and if it showed signs of trouble
(loss of oil pressure, high CHT, etc) we would shut it down and proceed
home on one engine. About 20 minutes into the flight, level at 11,500,
the right engine is running fine, however we noticed that the "left"
engine is showing drop in oil pressure with CHT's going up. We are
thinking "what's going on here..??". My co-pilot (and associate) Doug
looks at the left engine and it is spewing oil out from under the engine
nacelle. I immediately pull power back to about 20 inches on both
engines, announce to Norcal Approach that we are making an immediate
landing at SNS (Salinas) and point the nose down. The left CHT is
staying in the green, and the oil pressure is down to about 15 to 20
lbs. I am hoping to make it down without losing the left engine. No
such luck.about a minute later the left engine seizes with a shudder,
and I feather it. With the right engine still suspect, I declare an
emergency and we land without further incident at SNS. I was actually
able to taxi in to parking on one engine.not easy in a Commander. Until
the left engine seized, the CHT never left the green, and the oil
pressure remained at about 20 lbs.
The folks at SNS were great, along with Norcal approach and the tower
in handling our emergency. Checked oil levels in both engines.5 gals in
the right (no loss of oil in the 20 minute flight), empty in the left.
Turns out that the left engine threw a rod on the No. 6 cylinder, and
blew a 5" diameter hole in the top of the case. The airplane is now in
the good hands of Dave Teeters and Airmotive Specialties at SNS. Dave
Teeters, Morris Kernick (my Commander guru from Stockton) and I spent
the better part of Saturday in SNS poking around the airplane trying to
determine the cause(s) of the problems experienced on both engines. The
airplane just came out of annual (performed by Morris 5.5 hours ago)
where 2 cylinders were replaced on the right engine, and one cylinder
was replaced on the left engine. The theory on the table at this time
is that we have a problem with the rings in the new cylinders. Since we
have found no sources of oil leaks on the engines (blown out seals,
broken hoses, loose clamps, etc) the only way for the oil to leave the
engine is through the breather. If the crankcase is pressurized with
combustion gases blown by the rings, the oil could be pushed out the
breather..?? The right engine has been cleaned and run, with no loss of
oil or oil leaks. The screens have been pulled and show lots of metal.
The left engine was removed from the airplane yesterday, and cylinders
will be pulled on Monday. We are very interested to see what the rings
and cylinders look like.
Thought you guys might be interested in my situation. It is certainly
curious that I did not experience any problems until 5.5 hours after the
annual. The facts are that "both" engines received new cylinders,
"both" engines experienced a major oil event, and both events occurred
at the "same time". Any thoughts you may have will be appreciated.
I'll keep you all informed of what we find in the coming days.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
m/Navigator?Commander-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
| From: | <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
As the saying goes, you only need three things for a true oil spill.
1. Oil
2. Earth/Water
3. Daylight
Without all three, it probably didn't happen.
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
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| From: | "Jerry Sprayberry" <capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com> |
Donnie,
Commander Aero is the Place to take it for a good Annual.
Gary Kramer 888-881-5580
----- Original Message -----
From: Donnie Rose
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: annuals
Hello fellow Commanders! What in every ones opinion is the best site
to get a thorough annual? I have been told Commander Aero, You opinions
are greatly appreciated.
N69PT, 500B
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
Interstingly, there was no daylight involved. It was a night startup. So
your saying is flawed :-).
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
>
> As the saying goes, you only need three things for a true oil spill.
>
> 1. Oil
> 2. Earth/Water
> 3. Daylight
>
> Without all three, it probably didn't happen.
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
Perhaps '3. witness' would be more accurate?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
Interstingly, there was no daylight involved. It was a night startup. So
your saying is flawed :-).
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
>
> As the saying goes, you only need three things for a true oil spill.
>
> 1. Oil
> 2. Earth/Water
> 3. Daylight
>
> Without all three, it probably didn't happen.
>
>
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>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
Yes, "witness" is definitely what really caused the problems.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
>
>
> Perhaps '3. witness' would be more accurate?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 4:19 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
>
>
> Interstingly, there was no daylight involved. It was a night startup. So
> your saying is flawed :-).
>
> /John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...
>
>
>>
>> As the saying goes, you only need three things for a true oil spill.
>>
>> 1. Oil
>> 2. Earth/Water
>> 3. Daylight
>>
>> Without all three, it probably didn't happen.
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
Donnie, My mechanic is still looking for the gear switch. Gil
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
Donnie, If my mechanic finds the switch , you can have it for free. Gil I
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Speaking of weird engine issues... |
Guys, Been out of town. Did anyone find out what kind of cylinders were on
the failed engines? If so please drop me an e-mail /Thanks Gil
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Failure in N6253X |
Randy, What brand of cylinders did you install? Thanks Gil p.s. Glad you
were able to get it on the ground.
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Engine Failure in N6253X |
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine Failure in N6253X |
OK
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,
Just noticed this triple gauge on eBay, item no.200084103104
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YOURTCFG(at)aol.com writes:
Not to long ago somebody said they had a couple of GSO-480s. Please
contact me at n700pf(at)ao.com Thanks!! jb
I ment n700pf(at)aol.com, sorry. jb
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| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
| From: | "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net> |
Rich:
Is this the aircraft parked northeast of the tower at Chandler Municipal in Arizona?
I just noticed this one showed up this week.
Nick Phelan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=98752#98752
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide" sp
eed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was common
knowledge yet, not publicized?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Mine says nothing about it, but I think BROG speeds weren't required for
twins. I would imagine it's somewhere between Vx & Vy, but that might
just be misfiring memory neurons from flying singles...
/J
----- Original Message -----
From: Donnie Rose
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 500B
Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day,
this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| From: | John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com> |
*Donnie,
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 +
or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot think of
needing best glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure
and hopefully you will never need to use it. Take care and fly safe.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner
Central Air
Kansas City
*
Donnie Rose wrote:
> Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
> Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day,
> this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
>
> *Donnie Rose
> 205/492-8444*
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
I was thinking about "best glide speed" two weeks ago, when I
lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the "right"
engine. Imagine that.problems with "both" engines at the same
time. (That's why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like
the left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod
bolt). Even though the engine ran out of oil, there is no
evidence of a seizure due to lack of oil. We are still working
on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders were replaced in both
engines during the annual. It turns out that "old" rings were
installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine. We
will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to
look at those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn
more.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
John Towner
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
Donnie,
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is
120 + or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot
think of needing best glide speed only if you would have a double
engine failure and hopefully you will never need to use it. Take
care and fly safe.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner
Central Air
Kansas City
Donnie Rose wrote:
Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the
day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Yes sir Mr. Towner, double failure would take the prize! I was doing a litt
le mental exercise the other night when my engines went to "Automatic Rough
". They (or my mind) must need the sun up!=0AI was thinking that around 120
would be the mark.=0AThank you very much for your help.=0ABest regards,=0A
=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message --
--=0AFrom: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>=0ATo: commander-lis
t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:55:32 AM=0ASubject: RE: Com
mander-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AI was thinking about =93best glide speed=94 two w
eeks ago, when I lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the
=93right=94 engine. Imagine that=85problems with =93both=94 engines at the
same time. (That=92s why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like t
he left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod bolt). Even tho
ugh the engine ran out of oil, there is no evidence of a seizure due to lac
k of oil. We are still working on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders w
ere replaced in both engines during the annual. It turns out that =93old
=94 rings were installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine
. We will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to look at
those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn more.=0A =0ARandy
Dettmer, AIA=0A680F/N6253X=0A =0ADettmerArchitecture=0A663 Hill Street, San
Luis Obispo, CA 93405=0A805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865=0Awww.dettmerarch
itecture.com=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-
server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On B
ehalf Of John Towner=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM=0ATo: commander
-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: 500B=0A =0ADonnie,=0A=0A
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 + or -
for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot think of needing be
st glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure and hopefully
you will never need to use it. Take care and fly safe.=0A=0ARESPECTFULLY,
=0A=0AJohn Towner=0ACentral Air=0AKansas City=0A=0ADonnie Rose wrote:=0A=0A
=0AFellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide"
speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was com
mon knowledge yet, not publicized?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Randy, sorry to hear of your failure. I am sure glad you fellows got down w
/o harm!=0AI believe Mr. Towner is right on with the BGS of 120 +/-.=0A=0A
=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----
=0AFrom: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>=0ATo: commander-list@
matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, March 5, 2007 8:55:32 AM=0ASubject: RE: Comma
nder-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AI was thinking about =93best glide speed=94 two wee
ks ago, when I lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the
=93right=94 engine. Imagine that=85problems with =93both=94 engines at the
same time. (That=92s why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like t
he left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod bolt). Even tho
ugh the engine ran out of oil, there is no evidence of a seizure due to lac
k of oil. We are still working on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders w
ere replaced in both engines during the annual. It turns out that =93old
=94 rings were installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine
. We will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to look at
those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn more.=0A =0ARandy
Dettmer, AIA=0A680F/N6253X=0A =0ADettmerArchitecture=0A663 Hill Street, San
Luis Obispo, CA 93405=0A805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865=0Awww.dettmerarch
itecture.com=0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-
server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On B
ehalf Of John Towner=0ASent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM=0ATo: commander
-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: 500B=0A =0ADonnie,=0A=0A
(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 + or -
for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot think of needing be
st glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure and hopefully
you will never need to use it. Take care and fly safe.=0A=0ARESPECTFULLY,
=0A=0AJohn Towner=0ACentral Air=0AKansas City=0A=0ADonnie Rose wrote:=0A=0A
=0AFellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide"
speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was com
mon knowledge yet, not publicized?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Good morning John and thanks for the reply. It looks like around 120 mph is
the best glide speed.=0ARegards,=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.c
om>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:00:
22 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AMine says nothing about i
t, but I think BROG speeds weren't required for twins. I would imagine it's
somewhere between Vx & Vy, but that might just be misfiring memory neurons
from flying singles...=0A =0A/J=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Do
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07 7:42 PM=0ASubject: Commander-List: 500B=0A=0A=0AFellow Commanders, does
anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide" speed for a 500 series Com
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you near Death
experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings may not have been
installed correctly on the new cylinders thus allowing the blow by. He also said
that on Millinium and eci cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct
rings in the correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help Gil
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Thanks Gil for the input. We have definitely considered that
possibility. It's still on the table for discussion. The fact
that "both" engines experienced similar symptoms at the same
time, after having cylinders replaced sure raises some eyebrows.
RD
DettmerArchitecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you
near Death experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings
may not have been installed correctly on the new cylinders thus
allowing the blow by. He also said that on Millinium and eci
cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct rings in
the correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help
Gil Walker
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
rd, i sure hope you have a mechanic that "owns" his work. so far i have
found very very few who do. mason
>From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: 500B
>Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 06:55:32 -0800
>
>I was thinking about "best glide speed" two weeks ago, when I
>lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the "right"
>engine. Imagine that.problems with "both" engines at the same
>time. (That's why I declared an emergency) So far, it looks like
>the left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod
>bolt). Even though the engine ran out of oil, there is no
>evidence of a seizure due to lack of oil. We are still working
>on a cause. As you may recall, cylinders were replaced in both
>engines during the annual. It turns out that "old" rings were
>installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine. We
>will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to
>look at those rings. I will keep you guys informed as we learn
>more.
>
>Randy Dettmer, AIA
>680F/N6253X
>
>DettmerArchitecture
>663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
>John Towner
>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:53 AM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
>
>Donnie,
>
>(Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is
>120 + or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft. I cannot
>think of needing best glide speed only if you would have a double
>engine failure and hopefully you will never need to use it. Take
>care and fly safe.
>
>RESPECTFULLY,
>
>John Towner
>Central Air
>Kansas City
>
>Donnie Rose wrote:
>
>
>Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of
>Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the
>day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?
>
>Donnie Rose
>205/492-8444
>
>
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>
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Randy,
Just a short question. I was taught when in a single engine
approach, I was to hold putting the landing gear down until I had the
landing made. When did you put your landing gear down?
Tylor Hall
On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
> Thanks Gil for the input. We have definitely considered that
> possibility. It=92s still on the table for discussion. The fact
> that =93both=94 engines experienced similar symptoms at the same time,
> after having cylinders replaced sure raises some eyebrows.
>
>
> RD
>
>
> DettmerArchitecture
>
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
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> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:25 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500B
>
>
> Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you
> near Death experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings
> may not have been installed correctly on the new cylinders thus
> allowing the blow by. He also said that on Millinium and eci
> cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct rings in the
> correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help Gil Walker
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 03/05/07 |
Donnie, Sorry but my mechanic could not find the nose gear switch. Gil
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 03/05/07 |
Thanks for trying Gil!=0A=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 1969 Shrike 500S, What to do???? |
| From: | "tothetop" <zzztothetop(at)MSN.COM> |
Nick,
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