Commander-Archive.digest.vol-cj
April 19, 2007 - May 24, 2007
Nico
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Obviously a mapping company similar to ours... compare at
www.aerialviewpoint.com
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Servo Failure |
Steve,
Thanks for the article, I downloaded it but haven't read it yet.
Sure hope you guys get some relief today...the last few days have been
rough! My 89-yr-old grandmother lives on the north coast of Long Island and
she had 18" of water in the basement on tuesday....
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Servo Failure
>
> John,
>
> If you're reading this, did you see the servo data is up on the web-site?
> www.col-east.com
>
> We got power back, but no email at home and I believe you had sent me mail
> interested in a copy. Just wanted to follow-up and I don't know when we'll
> have our phone back for the modem.
>
> Aside from the computer, we don't really miss the phone much.
>
> Steve Welebny
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Servo Failure
>
>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I've got a pretty good article on the Bendix servo. Monday I can scan the
>> thing and post it to our company's website.
>>
>> If the fuel boost pump pressure and the engine fuel pump pressure were
>> about the same, I can't see that the servo should care which one is
>> feeding it. (For the single speed IO-540 pumps).
>>
>>>From what I understand (and it's limited) the servo is set up on the
>>>bench
>> for normal aircraft fuel pressure.
>>
>> All things being equal, if you change the ship's fuel pressure, you
>> change the fuel flow. For example at W.O.T, setting the engine driven
>> fuel pump pressure up and down will have a direct relationship to the
>> fuel flow. The last 'rebuild' on our servo came back twice with a wide
>> open throttle fuel flow lower than what we hoped to see. The second time
>> was better, but we compensated somewhat by running slightly higher fuel
>> pressure on the right side.
>>
>> With this last rebuild it's finally right, but with us running the right
>> engine fuel pressure toward the high end of the green arc, the WOT fuel
>> flow was now too high, and the ship's fuel pressure was dropped back to
>> the middle of standard.
>>
>> On the IO-540's the 'fuel flow' isn't really a measure of flow, but
>> another measure of pressure, this time at the fuel distribution spider.
>> Plug an injector and it would appear you've got more flow, when all
>> you've got is really more pressure.
>>
>> Also keep in mind with these servos that with differential pressures
>> being used, some of the failure modes are fuel crossing to places it
>> shouldn't ought to be.
>>
>> I think everything I said is true.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> Also Robert, keep in mind that you're flying a Continental-powered
>> Commander, so you have low & high boost pump settings. Us Lyc-powered
>> guys
>> only have "on" and "off" :-).
>>
>> And Steve, the theories sound good. I wonder what effect the failure of
>> an
>> engine-driven pump would have on the fuel pressure? Is the servo
>> self-regulating or is the EDP always the first link in the fuel pressure
>> management process? Being just the guy who pushes the levers around in
>> the
>> cockpit, I'm probably light on the more esoteric points of the IO-540's
>> systems. Perhaps it's time to rectify that.
>>
>> I'm going to dig around and see if I can find any articles or other
>> documentation on boost-pump-related engine floodings on approach. I've
>> seen
>> ONE story along those lines related to Commanders, but I don't remember
>> which model the author was flying. I want to assume a 500A or 685 because
>> of
>> all the Bonanza-specific issues I've heard about with the hi/lo boost
>> pump
>> settings & engine floodings, but I don't know that the Lycs are immune to
>> similar occurence.
>>
>> /J
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Yes, it belongs to Steve Welebny, the guy who kindly posted the Bendix
pressure carb article for us!
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Is this anyone on the list's company?
www.col-east.com
Nico
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| From: | "Steve" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Yeah, it's us......
We run a 500B with a big hole in the bottom for the camera. I'm just
getting back this afternoon from NH and Burlington VT. Best photo of our
Commander on the web is by some 'plane spotter' that never answered my
email.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N6157X&distinct_
entry=true
Some time back, you and me Nico had a small difference of opinion on a
small political matter that I hoped you never took personally.
Steve
Steven T. Welebny, C.P.
Certified Photogrammetrist
Col-East, Inc.
Harriman & West Airport, North Adams MA 01247
800-FLY-TOPO x 209 (voice) 413-663-3489 (fax)
swelebny(AT)coleast.com www.coleast.com
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Is this anyone on the list's company?
www.col-east.com
Nico
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Commanders in business |
Heck, no, Steve, I don't remember, so I couldn't have taken it personally.
:-)
Back in the early 60's I worked in a cartography office when scribing on
stabelene was the thing to do. We worked off photogrammetary (?) plotters
where I was introduced to stereo photography, mapping, and the rest, so it
was quite a trip for me to see your and David Owens' sites.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Yeah, it's us......
We run a 500B with a big hole in the bottom for the camera. I'm just getting
back this afternoon from NH and Burlington VT. Best photo of our Commander
on the web is by some 'plane spotter' that never answered my email.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N6157X
<http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N6157X&distinct_entr
y=true> &distinct_entry=true
Some time back, you and me Nico had a small difference of opinion on a small
political matter that I hoped you never took personally.
Steve
Steven T. Welebny, C.P.
Certified Photogrammetrist
Col-East, Inc.
Harriman & West Airport, North Adams MA 01247
800-FLY-TOPO x 209 (voice) 413-663-3489 (fax)
swelebny
(AT)coleast.com <http://www.coleast.com/> www.coleast.com
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Is this anyone on the list's company?
www.col-east.com
Nico
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Go to http://www.pimaair.org/Acftdatapics/Sud%20Caravelle.htm to see
whats left of the fleet of the company we merged with in 96... A
dreadful shame...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Steve" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Well that's good Nico. Nobody right, left or center seems to be doing a
very good job of it.
In some ways the discipline of photogrammetry hasn't changed all that
much. It's the same science, the same math. But instead of those
beautiful old stereoplotters drawing onto mylar, or scribing onto media,
the images are now viewed on a computer screen with 3D glasses. The
lines and symbols are stored as computer drawing elements.
Imagine a contour map draped over a 3D image of the ground. Pretty neat
stuff. The camera nowadays is a about three quarters of a million bucks.
New digital ones go for a million. Gyro-stabilized mount, forward motion
compensation. We're scanning directly from the film at down to 8
microns. A color image at 12 microns is 1 gigabyte of information.
We get to play with some great stuff.
If you worked with this stuff in the 60's, I bet it wouldn't take long
at all to get back in the saddle once you got over being wowed by the
technology.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Heck, no, Steve, I don't remember, so I couldn't have taken it
personally. :-)
Back in the early 60's I worked in a cartography office when scribing
on stabelene was the thing to do. We worked off photogrammetary (?)
plotters where I was introduced to stereo photography, mapping, and the
rest, so it was quite a trip for me to see your and David Owens' sites.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:17 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Yeah, it's us......
We run a 500B with a big hole in the bottom for the camera. I'm just
getting back this afternoon from NH and Burlington VT. Best photo of our
Commander on the web is by some 'plane spotter' that never answered my
email.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N6157X&distinct_
entry=true
Some time back, you and me Nico had a small difference of opinion on a
small political matter that I hoped you never took personally.
Steve
Steven T. Welebny, C.P.
Certified Photogrammetrist
Col-East, Inc.
Harriman & West Airport, North Adams MA 01247
800-FLY-TOPO x 209 (voice) 413-663-3489 (fax)
swelebny(AT)coleast.com www.coleast.com
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Is this anyone on the list's company?
www.col-east.com
Nico
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Here Here... 1.2 gigs on the 12.5 micron scans... Fast computer and
really expensive software is a must. We use dual monitors and Leica
software for the orthos, and the Photoshop touch never hurts either :)
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
Found this in a google search of Orenda
http://www.epi-eng.com/CNV-at401.htm
600 HP a side ? 500 series commander might need a few addon's due to 600HP, maybee
the installation of a G meter.
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From: Deneal Schilmeister <deneals(at)deneals.com>
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/845-full.html#194933
Orenda Rises Again
A Midland, Texas, company has received FAA approval to take over the engine type
certificate for the Orenda OE600A, a Canadian-developed, 600-hp V-8 based on
a big-block Chevy engine. The granting of the type certificate transfer from
the former Canadian owners allows Trace Engines to begin shipping engines, including
the 10 finished mills it inherited in the takeover of the project. Two
engines were shipped, ironically, to Canada last week and are expected to be flying
by the end of the month. The Texas plant wont likely build its first engine
until September. "Because this is a start-up, we have the opportunity to do
things right the first time," spokesman Craig Hoover told the Midland Reporter-Telegram.
"We have an active research and development program. There are things
we want to improve on the engines even before we begin production." The big
recips are aimed at replacing far more expensive small turboprops on a variety
of light and business aircraft. They were develo
ped ab
out 20 years ago in Canada, but despite gaining certification were not widely installed.
Hoover said his company aims to change that and he expects a lot of
foreign orders. There are 12 people working at Trace now, but plans are to increase
that tenfold and incorporate a college training program into the factory.
Found this in a google search of Orenda
600 HP a side ? 500 series commander might need a few addon's due
to 600HP, maybee the installation of a G meter.
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Deneal Schilmeister <deneals@deneals.com> <BR><FONT size=4><FONT face="Lucida Grande"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><A href="http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/845-full.html#194933">http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/845-full.html#194933</A><BR><BR>Orenda Rises Again<BR><BR>A Midland, Texas, company has received FAA approval to take over the engine type certificate for the Orenda OE600A, a Canadian-developed, 600-hp V-8 based on a big-block Chevy engine. The granting of the type certificate transfer from the former Canadian owners allows Trace Engines to begin shipping engines, including the 10 finished mills it inherited in the takeover of the project. Two engines were shipped, ironically, to Canada last week and are expected to be flying by the end of the month. The Texas plant wont likely build its fir
st eng
ine until September. "Because this is a start-up, we have the opportunity to do
things right the first time," spokesman Craig Hoover told the Midland Reporter-Telegram.
"We have an active research and development program. There are things
we want to improve on the engines even before we begin production." The big
recips are aimed at replacing far more expensive small turboprops on a variety
of light and business aircraft. They were developed about 20 years ago in Canada,
but despite gaining certification were not widely installed. Hoover said
his company aims to change that and he expects a lot of foreign orders. There
are 12 people working at Trace now, but plans are to increase that tenfold and
incorporate a college training program into the factory.
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Commanders in business |
Good Afternoon David,
The caption on that photo says it is N1001U.
If that is the original registration number, I have flown that airplane many
enjoyable hours. I took my rating ride in N1009U and our company owned
N1001U through and including N1020U. We bought twenty of them and sold twenty of
them. Always a pleasure when that happens!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 4/19/2007 3:03:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com writes:
Go to _http://www.pimaair.org/Acftdatapics/Sud%20Caravelle.htm_
(http://www.pimaair.org/Acftdatapics/Sud%20Caravelle.htm) to see what's left of the
fleet of the company we merged with in 96... A dreadful shame...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Steven" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
No matter how hard we try we can't keep the color 12 micron scans clean
enough not to need Photoshop to clean a lot of dust bunnies from the
orthos. B&W is ok, but I have been discouraging flying the color orthos
such that we need 12 micron scans to do them. Been preferring to fly
them lower, and use more images. For the other folks, the scans of
images are looking at things so small that near microscopic dust
particles are a real pain.
Looks like a run of good weather is hitting New England, so we hope to
be airborne the next couple days. This looks to be shaping up to be one
of the shortest flying seasons on record around here.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: David Owens
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Here Here... 1.2 gigs on the 12.5 micron scans... Fast computer and
really expensive software is a must. We use dual monitors and Leica
software for the orthos, and the Photoshop touch never hurts either :)
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Orenda Rises Again |
Hey Nico!
Not sure I'd agree with that 100%.... I say anyone who brings a new engine
to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is VERY
welcome to the party.
>From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great alternative for
lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about getting
upward of 450-600hp out of them yet.
Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower market.
So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely different market
segments. Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market (as
opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement with these
avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive. So I don't see that being a
common customer market for them.
Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90?
I hope they succeed- and I hope the diesel manufacturers start playing in
this field soon as well. I love my commander- but damn I'd like to have a
supported engine!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook
whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have invested in
it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would be a
tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the airframe, as
well as the interest in Commanders overall...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
Robert S. Randazzo
Precision Manuals Development Group
http://www.precisionmanuals.com
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
One of the big advantages of the Orenda is that it would burn 92
octane MOGAS that is available in most gas stations and not leaded.
The conversion will require that the fuel system be changed to put a
fuel pump in the fuel tank like in all cars.
This will solve the vapor lock problem that will happen with a
gasoline with a high RVP like we find in regular gasoline.
AVGAS has a RVP of 9 and some gasoline go as high as 15 and it
changes summer to winter. When the airplane goes to higher
altitudes, it vaporizes.
That is why a Commander with turbos, you turn on the fuel pump above
15,000'
There is my $0.02.
AOPA is reporting that the Cessna 206 has received an STC in europe
for the Centurion 4.0 V-8 Diesel Jet A engine.
Tylor Hall
On Apr 20, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Robert S. Randazzo wrote:
>
>
> Hey Nico!
>
> Not sure I'd agree with that 100%.... I say anyone who brings a
> new engine
> to the marketplace for those of us who have higher output needs is
> VERY
> welcome to the party.
>
>> From what I've seen thus far- the diesels look like a great
>> alternative for
> lower-to-mid horse-power requirement, but nobody is talking about
> getting
> upward of 450-600hp out of them yet.
>
> Orenda seems to be attempting to re-invigorate the high horsepower
> market.
> So for now these two alternatives are targeted at entirely
> different market
> segments. Where Orenda leaves me scratching my head in THIS market
> (as
> opposed to when it was developed) is that turboprop replacement
> with these
> avgas prices seems rather... Counterintuitive. So I don't see that
> being a
> common customer market for them.
>
> Can you imagine the difficulty trying to sell a piston powered C-90?
>
> I hope they succeed- and I hope the diesel manufacturers start
> playing in
> this field soon as well. I love my commander- but damn I'd like
> to have a
> supported engine!
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> N414C
>
>
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> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 14:22
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
>
>
> But I think it's perhaps too late for the Orenda. The diesels overtook
> whatever advantage they had in the marketplace. I wouldn't have
> invested in
> it if I had the money. It's a pity, but it's a fact.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ----
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> David Owens
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
>
>
> Yea, for us normally aspirated 300HP Continentals or Lycs, it would
> be a
> tremendous improvment, breathing much needed life back into the
> airframe, as
> well as the interest in Commanders overall...
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> Precision Manuals Development Group
> http://www.precisionmanuals.com
>
>
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
GEEZ... unbelievable . So, do you think Aero bought it from the guys
you were flying for?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Good luck on the flying... We have had a rash of mech problems in the
last few weeks, however I think they might be close to ironed out...
(crossed fingers). Right now the Nav is getting a cylinder installed,
while waiting on all new tops, since we can fly, cant put her down that
long. Clients are screaming. Do you ever do any out of town contract
stuff to take up the slack in the lean times? Sometimes its good to have
3 or more birds on the large blocks like we fly to take advantage of the
sun... Your 500 is a "B" model correct? (or a U)? Is it turbocharged?
Never know what might come of it. We have a pretty substantial backlog
on some of our projects... Who knows eh?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen
air, or ??? hehehe
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Orenda Rises Again |
David-
Hahahah.... When I first wrote that email I wrote, "Imagine how hard it
would be to sell a piston powered 690?"
Then right before hitting the send button I thought, "Hey- my 685 IS a
piston powered 690!"
So I decided to pick on the KingAir instead. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 11:37
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Orenda Rises Again
-->
Reply to "Piston Powered C-90"... So what is that like a Super -90 Queen
air, or ??? hehehe
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
hehehehehehheeee Thats brain fade... Happens every time I write an e-mail,
and then hit the "spell-check". Hey, A 690 is Garretts, SOOO you have a
685?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Orenda Rises Again |
Like I said... "BRAIN FADE" hehehee
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
In a message dated 4/20/2007 1:34:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com writes:
GEEZ... unbelievable . So, do you think Aero bought it from the guys you
were flying for?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
Good Afternoon David,
My WAG would be that it has gone through a bunch of owners since I flew the
airplane. I flew La Belle Caravelle from 1965 to 1968.
Made fabulous landings every time. I have never flown any other airplane
that was so gentle on ham handed aviators.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders in business |
Have a nice weekend all...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Commanders in business |
Thanks, you too.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Caravelles, Was: Commander-List: Commanders in business
Have a nice weekend all...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 685 Rockwell Commander |
Good Morning All,
I just noticed that there is a 685 forsale on Controller.com that has a grand
total of 830 hrs Total Time!!! This has to be a record.
Bert
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Engine RPM fluctuation |
Hello,
Have been having a strange and undiagnosed problem with my right
engine. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion to IO-720 engines.
Recently, primarily on takeoff and climb the left ending has been
randomly dropping 50, 100, and sometimes 300-400 RPM numerous times,
then returning to normal takeoff or climb RPM (2,650 Takeoff, 2,500
Climb). Manifold pressure goes up slightly in such instances. Have seen
it happen during high speed, full power taxi runs, then sometimes it
won't happen at all.
Have had the, prop governors bench tested with everything shown to
be working fine, fuel filter cleaned, new cylinders recently put on were
borescoped and appeared OK. The manual turbo mechanism was checked and
nothing was out of adjustment or loose. Currently the magneto (dual
magneto in one unit) was removed. There was a small amount of oil on
the bottom contacts, and the upper contact had carbon on them. The
magneto was sent off for inspection and overhaul...it was near
recommended overhaul time.
Anyone ever seen this happen to them. We've talked to prop
guys,...the props were recently overhauled. No one seems to have a
concrete idea as to what's going on. We are not even sure the oil in
the magneto contact is the problem, but will find out later this week if
that's it. We thought the problem was solved after a good number of
runs on the runway and one flight of 1.5 hrs with no problems. The next
flight the same thing happened again.
Anyone have any problems with water getting in a magneto...none was
found in our magneto.
Thanks. The amount of knowledge on this website is tremendous.
Folks here have helped me before. Thanks.
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Engine RPM fluctuation |
Ray,
Look at the upper deck reference lines they supply turbo boost pressure to
the fuel inj nozzles. Look for holes in them and the short hoses from them
to the nozzle shroud. I have seen them get plugged when they are repaired
and it restricts the airflow to a nozzle.
Also look the "P" leads over vey closely looking for the shield portion to
be touching the center conductor.
Mike
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Engine RPM fluctuation |
Hi Ray,
I hope this helps. It's not rocket science, but just checking a box for you
might be worth sharing this. If the manifold pressure goes up when the RPM
goes down, isn't that an indication that the engine is developing power and
that something external to the power plant itself is consuming power, such
as when one reduces RPM by setting a coarser pitch? Wouldn't the MP go down
and the RPM remain constant (at that power setting) if a fuel blockage
occurs?
Does the RPM variation disappear in cruise?
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:41 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Engine RPM fluctuation
Hello,
Have been having a strange and undiagnosed problem with my right engine.
I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion to IO-720 engines. Recently,
primarily on takeoff and climb the left ending has been randomly dropping
50, 100, and sometimes 300-400 RPM numerous times, then returning to normal
takeoff or climb RPM (2,650 Takeoff, 2,500 Climb). Manifold pressure goes
up slightly in such instances. Have seen it happen during high speed, full
power taxi runs, then sometimes it won't happen at all.
Have had the, prop governors bench tested with everything shown to be
working fine, fuel filter cleaned, new cylinders recently put on were
borescoped and appeared OK. The manual turbo mechanism was checked and
nothing was out of adjustment or loose. Currently the magneto (dual magneto
in one unit) was removed. There was a small amount of oil on the bottom
contacts, and the upper contact had carbon on them. The magneto was sent
off for inspection and overhaul...it was near recommended overhaul time.
Anyone ever seen this happen to them. We've talked to prop guys,...the
props were recently overhauled. No one seems to have a concrete idea as to
what's going on. We are not even sure the oil in the magneto contact is the
problem, but will find out later this week if that's it. We thought the
problem was solved after a good number of runs on the runway and one flight
of 1.5 hrs with no problems. The next flight the same thing happened again.
Anyone have any problems with water getting in a magneto...none was
found in our magneto.
Thanks. The amount of knowledge on this website is tremendous. Folks
here have helped me before. Thanks.
Ray Mansfield
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine RPM fluctuation |
I had to have my prop governor re-worked last year on the IO 540 in my
AC500B. Works fine now. I'd say if you have >1-2% RPM fluctuation you need
it fixed, certainly any more than 50RPM change. 300 is way too much. The
little centrifugal force thingy that spins around and changes a valve
position etc needed reworking - had id done in Dallas. Works fine now.
qualify that - I am NOT a mechanic. - just a surgeon.
bobf
On 5/2/07, Ray Mansfield wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Have been having a strange and undiagnosed problem with my right
> engine. I fly a 680 FLP with the Mr. RPM conversion to IO-720 engines.
> Recently, primarily on takeoff and climb the left ending has been randomly
> dropping 50, 100, and sometimes 300-400 RPM numerous times, then returning
> to normal takeoff or climb RPM (2,650 Takeoff, 2,500 Climb). Manifold
> pressure goes up slightly in such instances. Have seen it happen during high
> speed, full power taxi runs, then sometimes it won't happen at all.
>
> Have had the, prop governors bench tested with everything shown to be
> working fine, fuel filter cleaned, new cylinders recently put on were
> borescoped and appeared OK. The manual turbo mechanism was checked and
> nothing was out of adjustment or loose. Currently the magneto (dual magneto
> in one unit) was removed. There was a small amount of oil on the bottom
> contacts, and the upper contact had carbon on them. The magneto was sent
> off for inspection and overhaul...it was near recommended overhaul time.
>
> Anyone ever seen this happen to them. We've talked to prop
> guys,...the props were recently overhauled. No one seems to have a concrete
> idea as to what's going on. We are not even sure the oil in the magneto
> contact is the problem, but will find out later this week if that's it. We
> thought the problem was solved after a good number of runs on the runway and
> one flight of 1.5 hrs with no problems. The next flight the same thing
> happened again.
>
> Anyone have any problems with water getting in a magneto...none was
> found in our magneto.
>
> Thanks. The amount of knowledge on this website is tremendous. Folks
> here have helped me before. Thanks.
>
> Ray Mansfield
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Engine RPM fluctuation |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
I think it is a magneto, plug wire, or plug problem.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110492#110492
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <nypnx211(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine RPM fluctuation |
--Question ----Is your engine--Carburetor ed or Fuel Injected ? If you have a carburetor,
the throttle shaft bearings wear out and get loose. At high power
setting as on takeoff, this allows the fuel mixture to go lean and reduced power,
just when you need all the power the engine can produce. What takes place,
is the loose bearings allows air to be drawn into the carb Ventura ABOVE the
fuel level in the main nozzle, resulting in the lean mixture. You can easily
check for the loose throttle shaft bearings by moving the throttle arm up and
down and checking for any slop in the shaft. You can do this without dissemble
any thing, just reach in there and move the throttle arm up and down and
see if you have any loose- nesss. Hoe this is of some help for your problem.
HAPPY LANDINGS, and KEEP e,m FLYING,
arm N395V wrote:
>
> I think it is a magneto, plug wire, or plug problem.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
> website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110492#110492
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Engine RPM fluctuation |
Ignition problem would show up well on the EGT if you new what to look
for....... Look for a jump in EGT on a cylinder with a bad plug or
compromised ignition.
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Engine RPM fluctuation
>
> I think it is a magneto, plug wire, or plug problem.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
> website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=110492#110492
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Hi Guys,
I know, a massive longshot, but does anybody know the identity of a
"bronzy-coloured American-registered" Commander that has reportedly sat
on the apron at Vieux Fort/Hewanorra International airport "for some
time".
If so, I'll be grateful to know the 'N' number.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Any particular country?
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Hi Guys,
I know, a massive longshot, but does anybody know the identity of a
"bronzy-coloured American-registered" Commander that has reportedly sat on
the apron at Vieux Fort/Hewanorra International airport "for some time".
If so, I'll be grateful to know the 'N' number.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Country: St.Lucia
ICAO ID: TLPL
Latitude 13=B0 43' 59.50" N
Longitude 060=B0 57' 09.35" W
That should help you home in.
Wing Commander Gordon
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com
.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Hi Bilbo,
It's one of the Caribbean islands.
According to Wikipedia, I saw that St Lucia has eleven quarters. Before
the mathematicians go into meltdown, I think they are the equivalent of
Counties over here.
Thanks to Keith for the co-ordinates!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Country: St.Lucia
ICAO ID: TLPL
Latitude 13=B0 43' 59.50" N
Longitude 060=B0 57' 09.35" W
That should help you home in.
Wing Commander Gordon
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
See what's free at AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Thanks. The 74 doesn=92t go there and that=92s my excuse.:>)
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Country: St.Lucia
ICAO ID: TLPL
Latitude 13=B0 43' 59.50" N
Longitude 060=B0 57' 09.35" W
That should help you home in.
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
Bill,
Be very careful about giving out an account number. There have been
scams that suck money out of your account even if you think they are
going to send you money.
Set up a separate account to receive money into that has a 0 balance.
Never accept a check form overseas. Only wire transfer. Then wait
for 2 weeks to make sure it clears.
Nigeria has a very bad reputation for the Nigerian 914 scam. " I
have $25,000,000 dollars in this account and you can have 20% but you
need to send me $300,000 to pay the fees." If is sounds too good to
be true, it is a scam to separate you from your money.
Tylor Hall
On May 8, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Bill Bow wrote:
> I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person.
> I feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source available
> to check the validity of this individual.
>
> Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
>
> Capt Thomas Benson
> Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
> Abuja , Nigeria
>
> Thanks,
>
> bilbo
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
In a message dated 08-May-07 14:27:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Thanks. The 74 doesn=99t go there and that=99s my excuse.:>)
I knew that! I also figured you probably took an INS out of the dash of an
old Building 747 you used to fly and the co-ordinates would give you a beari
ng
and distance from home. ;-)
Wing Commander Gordon
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com
.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
This is where I refer the emails I get from Nigeria. Somehow, they never
contact me again...
_3rd Annual Nigerian EMail Conference_ (http://www.j-walk.com/other/conf/)
Wing Commander Gordon
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | DP <28bravo(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
Here is a url that describes scams on the scammers
http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/
Tylor Hall wrote:
> Bill,
> Be very careful about giving out an account number. There have been
> scams that suck money out of your account even if you think they are
> going to send you money.
> Set up a separate account to receive money into that has a 0 balance.
>
> Never accept a check form overseas. Only wire transfer. Then wait
> for 2 weeks to make sure it clears.
>
> Nigeria has a very bad reputation for the Nigerian 914 scam. " I have
> $25,000,000 dollars in this account and you can have 20% but you need
> to send me $300,000 to pay the fees." If is sounds too good to be
> true, it is a scam to separate you from your money.
> Tylor Hall
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Bill Bow wrote:
>
>> I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I
>> feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source available to
>> check the validity of this individual.
>>
>> Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
>>
>> Capt Thomas Benson
>> Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>> Abuja , Nigeria
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> bilbo
>>
>> *
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
Anyone know?Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I
remember something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when
you went to cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your
pocket before they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I
feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check
the validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
| From: | "captseth" <capt_seth(at)yahoo.com> |
Total scam.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=111702#111702
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Thanks, I found it. My apologies to the St. Lucia delegation.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Hi Bilbo,
It's one of the Caribbean islands.
According to Wikipedia, I saw that St Lucia has eleven quarters. Before
the
mathematicians go into meltdown, I think they are the equivalent of
Counties
over here.
Thanks to Keith for the co-ordinates!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Country: St.Lucia
ICAO ID: TLPL
Latitude 13=B0 43' 59.50" N
Longitude 060=B0 57' 09.35" W
That should help you home in.
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
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<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Thanks gents. That makes it easier.
I think the best thing for "the captain" to do is to take spelling lessons
and get an American broker.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill,
Be very careful about giving out an account number. There have been scams
that suck money out of your account even if you think they are going to send
you money.
Set up a separate account to receive money into that has a 0 balance.
Never accept a check form overseas. Only wire transfer. Then wait for 2
weeks to make sure it clears.
Nigeria has a very bad reputation for the Nigerian 914 scam. " I have
$25,000,000 dollars in this account and you can have 20% but you need to
send me $300,000 to pay the fees." If is sounds too good to be true, it is a
scam to separate you from your money.
Tylor Hall
On May 8, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Bill Bow wrote:
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Actually, I google earthed it. Should have done that to start with.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
In a message dated 08-May-07 14:27:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Thanks. The 74 doesn't go there and that's my excuse.:>)
I knew that! I also figured you probably took an INS out of the dash of an
old Building 747 you used to fly and the co-ordinates would give you a
bearing and distance from home. ;-)
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
I also google-earthed it but couldn't find it. There is only a large
trubo-prop on the tarmac. Is that it? I could've sworn that the AC wings are
wider than that. But who am I, after all, to claim to know that.
It appears as if the starboard stabilizer is gone.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Actually, I google earthed it. Should have done that to start with.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
In a message dated 08-May-07 14:27:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Thanks. The 74 doesn't go there and that's my excuse.:>)
I knew that! I also figured you probably took an INS out of the dash of an
old Building 747 you used to fly and the co-ordinates would give you a
bearing and distance from home. ;-)
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I suggested he get the services of a local crook oooaaa I mean broker. I
have no problem with a suit case full of cash delivered at the bank in front
of others.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
My Commander made it to Google Earth.
Go to N28=BA 31=92 29.46=94 W081=BA 52=92 30.55=94
There it is.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
I also google-earthed it but couldn=92t find it. There is only a large
trubo-prop on the tarmac. Is that it? I could=92ve sworn that the AC
wings are
wider than that. But who am I, after all, to claim to know that.
It appears as if the starboard stabilizer is gone.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Actually, I google earthed it. Should have done that to start with.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
In a message dated 08-May-07 14:27:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Thanks. The 74 doesn=92t go there and that=92s my excuse.:>)
I knew that! I also figured you probably took an INS out of the dash of
an
old Building 747 you used to fly and the co-ordinates would give you a
bearing and distance from home. ;-)
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
See what's free at AOL.com
<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Hewanorra airport, St Lucia |
Now that=92s what a Commander looks like. Nice pad!
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
My Commander made it to Google Earth.
Go to N28=BA 31=92 29.46=94 W081=BA 52=92 30.55=94
There it is.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
I also google-earthed it but couldn=92t find it. There is only a large
trubo-prop on the tarmac. Is that it? I could=92ve sworn that the AC
wings are
wider than that. But who am I, after all, to claim to know that.
It appears as if the starboard stabilizer is gone.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
Actually, I google earthed it. Should have done that to start with.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
In a message dated 08-May-07 14:27:36 Pacific Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Thanks. The 74 doesn=92t go there and that=92s my excuse.:>)
I knew that! I also figured you probably took an INS out of the dash of
an
old Building 747 you used to fly and the co-ordinates would give you a
bearing and distance from home. ;-)
Wing Commander Gordon
_____
See what's free at AOL.com
<http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Commanders on Google Earth |
Whaddya know=97here=92s mine!
32=B048'41.51"N, 117=B0 8'33.40"W
Stan
N681SP
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
My Commander made it to Google Earth.
Go to N28=BA 31=92 29.46=94 W081=BA 52=92 30.55=94
There it is.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Commanders on Google Earth |
Maybe I started something.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commanders on Google Earth
Whaddya know=97here=92s mine!
32=B048'41.51"N, 117=B0 8'33.40"W
Stan
N681SP
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
My Commander made it to Google Earth.
Go to N28=BA 31=92 29.46=94 W081=BA 52=92 30.55=94
There it is.
bilbo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commanders on Google Earth |
You did! Here's mine! (pre-paint job and
pre-fancy-new-taxi-in-parking-spot).
37 27'33.28"N, 122 6'51.88"W
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders on Google Earth
Maybe I started something.
bilbo
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:32 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commanders on Google Earth
Whaddya know-here's mine!
32=B048'41.51"N, 117=B0 8'33.40"W
Stan
N681SP
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:53 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
My Commander made it to Google Earth.
Go to N28=BA 31' 29.46" W081=BA 52' 30.55"
There it is.
bilbo
__________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________
__________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid
were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
__________ NOD32 2250 (20070508) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Commanders on Google Earth |
Well if I did start something, at least this time it came out nicer than
the
dreaded =93sump=92 thing did.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commanders on Google Earth
You did! Here's mine! (pre-paint job and
pre-fancy-new-taxi-in-parking-spot).
37 27'33.28"N, 122 6'51.88"W
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commanders on Google Earth
Maybe I started something.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commanders on Google Earth
Whaddya know=97here=92s mine!
32=B048'41.51"N, 117=B0 8'33.40"W
Stan
N681SP
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hewanorra airport, St Lucia
My Commander made it to Google Earth.
Go to N28=BA 31=92 29.46=94 W081=BA 52=92 30.55=94
There it is.
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
__________ NOD32 2248 (20070507) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson
Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid
were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
__________ NOD32 2250 (20070508) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the =8Cs=B9 discussion...we are approaching
the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don=B9t be fearful of all =8Coverseas cheques=B9...you will only get good ones
from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no
Google-earth coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
> Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson
> Avaitaion Inc.
>
> bilbo,
> Running for the hills
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
>
> Nico-
>
> Good advice on the intermediary...
>
> Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
> agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was pa
id
> were I in your shoes.....
>
> And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I'
ve
> just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
> Above all, don=B9t give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
> demands to pay for so-called taxes or =8Chand grease=B9. The scammers are
> oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your acco
unt
> and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don=B9t
want
> to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pur
sue
> this =B3Captain=B2, then solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable
> intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes through
> without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be an
> invaluable resource.
>
> Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the =B3capt
ain=B2
> would disappear off the face of the earth.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addin
gton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
>
>
> Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember somet
hing
> about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the
> check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they ge
t the
> plane.
>
>
>
> Jim Addington
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
>>
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
>>
>> Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
>>
>>
>> I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I fee
l I
>> would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
>> validity of this individual.
>>
>> Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
>>
>> Capt Thomas Benson
>> Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>> Abuja , Nigeria
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> bilbo
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr
onics
>> .com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.
> com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
> __________ NOD32 2250 (20070508) Information __________
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Well Russell,
This one needs a nice home http://home.earthlink.net/~bowing74/
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the 's' discussion...we are approaching
the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don't be fearful of all 'overseas cheques'...you will only get good ones
from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no
Google-earth coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson
Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid
were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?Hi All,
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder
here" is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our
convicts 'down under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the 's' discussion...we are
approaching the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don't be fearful of all 'overseas cheques'...you will only get good
ones from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no
Google-earth coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas
Benson Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an
escrow agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure
I was paid were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com
website.... I've just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that
is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small
fee demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers
are oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your
account and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something
you don't want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if
you wish to pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or
some other reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your
transaction goes through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in
Nigeria who could be an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went
to cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket
before they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person.
I feel I would be foolish if I did not use every source available to
check the validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
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| From: | "steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Russell,
Did you bid and/or look at this 685 that was up for auction down under a
week ago? My associate Michael Pont and I were interested but got into the
game too late to inspect. Do you know anything about this plane pros or
cons?
http://www.lexsimshauser.com.au/MaryboroughAircraftAuction/AeroCommander_VH-
FVJ.htm
Regards,
Steve G.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the 's' discussion...we are approaching
the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don't be fearful of all 'overseas cheques'...you will only get good ones
from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no
Google-earth coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson
Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid
were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
In a message dated 5/9/2007 7:49:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Well Russell,
This one needs a nice home _http://home.earthlink.net/~bowing74/_
(http://home.earthlink.net/~bowing74/)
bilbo
Good Morning Bilbo,
Does anyone have an STC to hang a couple of IO-550s on the 500 Commander?
Since those engines are generally the same or lighter weight than the 470s.
it would seem to be a win win situation.
We have found the 550 to be a tremendous engine when stuck in a Bonanza to
replace the 470. I would imagine they would make the 500 into a light weight
skyrocket. We regularly find that the 550 equipped airplanes will get there
faster and burn less fuel than they did with the 470s.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
I doubt Russell has any "shackle marks on his ankles".
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Hi All,
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here"
is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts
'down under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell <mailto:rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the 's' discussion...we are approaching
the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don't be fearful of all 'overseas cheques'...you will only get good ones
from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no
Google-earth coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson
Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid
were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
| From: | alexandc10(at)aol.com |
There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also of "ca
shier's-check" scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's
check worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was eno
ugh to cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund. The cashier's
check will clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few days
later when the bank figures out it's not legitimate. Also, as other's have
warned, do not give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers..
..once they have the account #, they are only one step away from clearing yo
u out.
Nigeria is world renowned for these scams....there's even a penal code for t
hem (can't remember...something like "614").
AD
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Hi All,
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here" i
s probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts 'dow
n under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the =98s=99 discussion...we
are approaching the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don=99t be fearful of all =98overseas cheques=99...you wil
l only get good ones from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-ear
th coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson Av
aitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow ag
ency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid we
re I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don=99t give them a bank account number or give in to small
fee demands to pay for so-called taxes or =98hand grease=99. Th
e scammers are oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear o
ut your account and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is someth
ing you don=99t want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead
, but if you wish to pursue this =9CCaptain=9D, then solicit the
services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary who has the clout to
make sure your transaction goes through without hiccups. AOPA may even have
members in Nigeria who could be an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
=9Ccaptain=9D would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember somethin
g about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the
check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they get t
he plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the validi
ty of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
The Colemill with IO-520 is the only one I'm aware of. There were not
enough 500As built to get any interest in an STC going.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
In a message dated 5/9/2007 7:49:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
Well Russell,
This one needs a nice home http://home.earthlink.net/~bowing74/
bilbo
Good Morning Bilbo,
Does anyone have an STC to hang a couple of IO-550s on the 500 Commander?
Since those engines are generally the same or lighter weight than the 470s.
it would seem to be a win win situation.
We have found the 550 to be a tremendous engine when stuck in a Bonanza to
replace the 470. I would imagine they would make the 500 into a light weight
skyrocket. We regularly find that the 550 equipped airplanes will get there
faster and burn less fuel than they did with the 470s.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
_____
See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
My wife is a faster "cleaner" than any Nigerian. :>)
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
alexandc10(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also of
"cashier's-check" scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number
cashier's check worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure
there was enough to cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund.
The cashier's check will clear in your account, then the funds will be
removed a few days later when the bank figures out it's not legitimate.
Also, as other's have warned, do not give bank-account details, even for
inbound wire-transfers....once they have the account #, they are only one
step away from clearing you out.
Nigeria is world renowned for these scams....there's even a penal code for
them (can't remember...something like "614").
AD
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Hi All,
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here"
is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts
'down under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell <mailto:rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the 's' discussion...we are approaching
the fifth birthday of that shameful outrage!
Don't be fearful of all 'overseas cheques'...you will only get good ones
from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no
Google-earth coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" > wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson
Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow
agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid
were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've
just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, don't give them a bank account number or give in to small fee
demands to pay for so-called taxes or 'hand grease'. The scammers are
oftentimes in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account
and then you have to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you don't
want to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to
pursue this "Captain", then solicit the services of AOPA or some other
reputable intermediary who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes
through without hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be
an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the
"captain" would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember
something about a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to
cash the check it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before
they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I
would be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the
validity of this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Anyone know? |
Thats how they spell it over there...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Aerial Pictures of storm damage |
This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures are taken from the
air. You won't believe the damage that storm din in just a few minutes.
http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Parting out N4186B? |
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
I'm not sure, but there is the possibility that 4186B might not be a
total. But it would be very near one at any event. With that said, I'm
still worried about repair cost, risk and insurance, and wondering if
the best route wouldn't be to sell as-is where is to someone who could
carry on the process of restoring it, or contribute its parts to the
continuation of some other 520 or 560.
Either way, does anyone have a clue what a "reasonable" value for the
plane would be. (Lets assume that the spar isn't bent. If it is, then
the plane will definitely be a total). It has new front seats, the
engines are high mid-time. The props are disassembled for inspection,
and all the blades are good (they need new clamps and hubs, though). The
paint isn't very pretty, but its not flaking. There is essentially no
corrosion. Pretty much all new flight instruments.
Of course, someone ran a fuel truck into the wing, which will require
new control surface, sheet metal work in the wing, at least a control
linkage inspection and probably replacement of the cable with possible
repair of the pulleys....
Hence I would not sell as an airplane, but as parts. But parts are
getting hard to come by..
Bruce
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Parting out N4186B? |
bc, i would be interested in the rear bench seat and the mounting hardware
(ie bolts and nuts) not the rails. PCAA mason
>From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Commander-List: Parting out N4186B?
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:21:36 -0700
>
>I'm not sure, but there is the possibility that 4186B might not be a
>total. But it would be very near one at any event. With that said, I'm
>still worried about repair cost, risk and insurance, and wondering if
>the best route wouldn't be to sell as-is where is to someone who could
>carry on the process of restoring it, or contribute its parts to the
>continuation of some other 520 or 560.
>
>
>Either way, does anyone have a clue what a "reasonable" value for the
>plane would be. (Lets assume that the spar isn't bent. If it is, then
>the plane will definitely be a total). It has new front seats, the
>engines are high mid-time. The props are disassembled for inspection,
>and all the blades are good (they need new clamps and hubs, though). The
>paint isn't very pretty, but its not flaking. There is essentially no
>corrosion. Pretty much all new flight instruments.
>
>
>Of course, someone ran a fuel truck into the wing, which will require
>new control surface, sheet metal work in the wing, at least a control
>linkage inspection and probably replacement of the cable with possible
>repair of the pulleys....
>
>
>Hence I would not sell as an airplane, but as parts. But parts are
>getting hard to come by..
>
>
> Bruce
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that
both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of
Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and
back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA,
was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and
also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
Barry,
There are a couple of RV pilos from Inyokern that hang out on either the Matronics RV chatlist or the www.vansairforce.net chatlist.
If the planes are outside they will have seen them. You might post a note asking
to talk to pilots from Inyokern on these lists.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112904#112904
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hi Milt,
Grateful thanks - I might try that route if nothing else turns up.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
|
| Barry,
|
| There are a couple of RV pilos from Inyokern that hang out on either the
Matronics RV chatlist or the www.vansairforce.net chatlist.
|
| If the planes are outside they will have seen them. You might post a note
asking to talk to pilots from Inyokern on these lists.
|
| --------
| Milt
| 2003 F1 Rocket
| 2006 Radial Rocket
| website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=112904#112904
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Aerial Pictures of storm damage |
Amazinging sad...
Brent N224HA
560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures are taken from the air. You
won't believe the damage that storm din in just a few minutes.
http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
Amazinging sad...
Brent N224HA
560E
This is not related to Commanders, but the pictures
are taken from the air. You won't believe the damage that storm din in just
a few minutes.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
Thats what you get for marrying a young lady Bill : )
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
My wife is a faster cleaner than any Nigerian. :>)
bilbo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alexandc10(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also of "cashier's-check"
scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's check
worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was enough to
cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund. The cashier's check will
clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few days later when
the bank figures out it's not legitimate. Also, as other's have warned, do not
give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers....once they have
the account #, they are only one step away from clearing you out.
Nigeria is world renowned for these scams....there's even a penal code for them
(can't remember...something like "614").
AD
-----Original Message-----
From: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Hi All,
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder here" is probably
true, but don't forget that we used to send all our convicts 'down under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously forgiven for the s discussion...we are approaching the fifth
birthday of that shameful outrage!
Dont be fearful of all overseas cheques...you will only get good ones from downunder
here.
Cheers
Russell
PS Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-earth
coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill Bow" wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation, in Thomas Benson Avaitaion
Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem using an escrow agency
to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure I was paid were I
in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website.... I've just
wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, dont give them a bank account number or give in to small fee demands
to pay for so-called taxes or hand grease. The scammers are oftentimes in cahoots
with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account and then you have
to pursue them in Nigeria, which is something you dont want to contemplate. I
would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pursue this Captain, then
solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary who has the
clout to make sure your transaction goes through without hiccups. AOPA may even
have members in Nigeria who could be an invaluable resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is introduced the captain would
disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Bill, I can't find it but and my memory is the worst but I remember something about
a scam where they would buy the plane and when you went to cash the check
it was no good. Be sure you have cash in your pocket before they get the plane.
Jim Addington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Anyone know?
I am selling my Commander and have been contacted by this person. I feel I would
be foolish if I did not use every source available to check the validity of
this individual.
Do any of you have any knowledge of is person or business entity.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Thanks,
bilbo
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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ist Email Forum -
r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
; - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
://forums.matronics.com
AOL at AOL.com.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
Thats what you get for marrying a young lady Bill : )
Brent
N224HA 560E
My wife is a faster cleaner than any Nigerian. :>)
bilbo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alexandc10(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:01 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Anyone know?
There is virtually no world in which this guy is legit. Be wary also
of "cashier's-check" scams, whereby the guy shows up with a round-number cashier's
check worth more than the transaction ("I wanted to make sure there was
enough to cover all possible fees") and asks for a cash refund. The cashier's
check will clear in your account, then the funds will be removed a few
days later when the bank figures out it's not legitimate. Also, as
other's have warned, do not give bank-account details, even for inbound wire-transfers....once
they have the account #, they are only one step away from clearing
you out.
Nigeria
is world renowned for these scams....there's
even a penal code for them (can't remember...something like "614").
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<BR>To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent:
Wed, 9 May 2007 8:51 AM
Subject: Re:
Commander-List: Anyone know?
Well, I suppose nowadays "you will only get good ones from downunder
here" is probably true, but don't forget that we used to send all our
convicts 'down under'.
Traits could still linger in the genes ;-)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007
1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Anyone know?
Dear Bilbo,
You were ceremoniously
forgiven for the s discussion...we are approaching the fifth birthday
of that shameful outrage!
Dont be fearful of all overseas cheques...you
will only get good ones from downunder here.
Cheers
Russell
PS
Still looking for the right Commander to buy...so currently no Google-earth
coordinates!
On 9/5/07 9:49 PM, "Bill
Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
wrote:
Did anybody notice that he misspelled the word Aviation,
in Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
bilbo,
Running for the hills
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:12 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Nico-
Good advice on the intermediary...
Bill: If this fellow is legit- he won't have any problem
using an escrow agency to handle the transaction. I'd take that avenue to ensure
I was paid were I in your shoes.....
And to whomever it was that sent over the ebolamonkey.com website....
I've just wasted two hours laughing my arsa off.... that is very
funny!
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:23
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Anyone know?
Above all, dont give them a bank account number or give in to small
fee demands to pay for so-called taxes or hand grease. The scammers are oftentimes
in cahoots with corrupt bank officials who clear out your account and
then you have to pursue them in Nigeria,
which is something you dont want
to contemplate. I would seriously doubt this lead, but if you wish to pursue
this Captain, then solicit the services of AOPA or some other reputable intermediary
who has the clout to make sure your transaction goes through without
hiccups. AOPA may even have members in Nigeria who could be an invaluable
resource.
Chances are when a strong contingent of your team is
introduced the captain would disappear off the face of the earth.
Nico
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both appear
to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa 1978.
Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back without
the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona
on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield,
but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been submitted and
mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also wonder
whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders
and find that both appear to have ended their days with
a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD
was sold to him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown
down to the USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit,
from Canada to the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird
Aviation Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised
the FAA of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these
for parting out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature
of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hi Brent,
I found nothing either, but thanks for trying!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA
and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the
USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out
and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Barry,
Here is a long shot!
If you go to Inyokem CA via Google satellite you will zoom down on runway
33...parked right out on the dirt close to the threshold is what looks like
a bathtub Commander!! Looks like you had better contact the airport folks to
find out about this airframe.
Might just be a match!
Cheers
Russell
On 16/5/07 8:05 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Brent,
>
> I found nothing either, but thanks for trying!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
>>
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
>>
>>
>>
>> Barry,
>>
>>
>>
>> I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> N224HA 560E
>>
>>
>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both
>>> appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of
>>> Inyokern, California.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
>>> 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
>>>
>>> At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back
>>> without the benefit of a CofA.
>>>
>>> After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA,
>>> was issued.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
>>> Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to
>>> Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever
>>> been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also
>>> wonder whether he bought any others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Barry Collman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.
> com/Navigator?Commander-List barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
Barry,
Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern.
> N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I am not
mistaken.
>
> N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a while.
>
> I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out.
> __________________
>
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113118#113118
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Re: Commander-List: Ben WhitfieldHi Russell,
Thanks! I'll take a look later on, but it might be one of those that
Milt's guys sent details for, possibly the second one.
And, don't forget that the two I listed were transactions from about 30
years ago!
I really wanted to find out more about Ben Whitfield and what the nature
of his business was.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi Barry,
Here is a long shot!
If you go to Inyokem CA via Google satellite you will zoom down on
runway 33...parked right out on the dirt close to the threshold is what
looks like a bathtub Commander!! Looks like you had better contact the
airport folks to find out about this airframe.
Might just be a match!
Cheers
Russell
On 16/5/07 8:05 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi Brent,
I found nothing either, but thanks for trying!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
I searched & found nothing, maybe someone else will have better
luck.
Regards,
Brent
N224HA 560E
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and
find that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to
him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the
USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation
Inc., of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA
of a sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting
out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his
business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
ist Email Forum -
r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hi Milt!
Grateful thanks. Neither of these is the ones I asked about, but I was looking
back about 30 years!
But, I understood N541M, which is 680FL-1512-96, was being parted out by United
Airparts. It had previously been purchased on 10Oct90 by AC Enterprises, of
Payson, AZ, the partners being George A Armstrong & 'our' Jack Chappell.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
|
| Barry,
|
| Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern.
|
|
| > N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I am
not mistaken.
| >
| > N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a while.
| >
| > I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out.
| > __________________
| >
|
|
| --------
| Milt
| 2003 F1 Rocket
| 2006 Radial Rocket
| website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113118#113118
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Barry,
Contact Jack Chappell. He and I spoke about the Inyokern plane about a year
ago, however, I can't remember the details. Jack doesn't do email so if you
want I can call him.
Sorry that I didn't give you this info. earlier, but I have been so tied up
lately that I haven't been reading the Commander List.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Milt!
Grateful thanks. Neither of these is the ones I asked about, but I was
looking
back about 30 years!
But, I understood N541M, which is 680FL-1512-96, was being parted out by
United
Airparts. It had previously been purchased on 10Oct90 by AC Enterprises, of
Payson, AZ, the partners being George A Armstrong & 'our' Jack Chappell.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Ben Whitfield
|
| Barry,
|
| Received the following by e mail from an RV pilot out of Inyokern.
|
|
| > N4136B. No paint just unpolished alum. The guy does Angels flights if I
am
not mistaken.
| >
| > N541M White with blue and red trim. Looks like it has not flown in a
while.
| >
| > I don't know much more than that. Hope that helped your buddy out.
| > __________________
| >
|
|
| --------
| Milt
| 2003 F1 Rocket
| 2006 Radial Rocket
| website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113118#113118
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a
bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the
names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that
both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of
Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and
back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the
USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and
also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to
it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother
or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell
rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names
"Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben
Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold
back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft
Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions
involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" &
"Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some
local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both
appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern,
California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back
without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was
issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix,
Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben
Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been
submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also
wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in my
book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the bottom
of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice), let's
just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been exported
to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of the rest
seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one is
with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang
a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the
names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA
and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the
USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of
Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale
to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration
has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out
and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Budplaster(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Barry,
You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected in the
past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person in
Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a great deal
on
barely flyable junk with bullet holes.
While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we found
many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the
airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were ignored, countless
letters from the FAA, notices from the City of Compton to pay or vacate the
airport and a cutout behind the rear seat where a window air conditioner for
a house had been installed. In asking some old timers familiar with the
airplane about this I was told it worked very well but it was a little too
cold...No Joke!!!
I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it enough.
It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to return home
without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not so kind beginning ,
but
it sure is living the good life now.
Buddy
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to
take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
Captain Benson's approach was.
bilbo
=======
ACT ONE 5/5/07
we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben(at)yahoo.es
ACT TWO 5/6/07
Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's
you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that
the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Tel: +2348038378073
ACT THREE 5/8/07
Hello Sir,
I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we
go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad
to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
company to do that.
1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
have given out to me.
2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to
sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
Best Regards.
Capt Thomas Benson
Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
Abuja , Nigeria
Tel: +2348038378073
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Engine RPM fluctuation |
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
And have we found the cause yet?
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=113238#113238
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between
this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa?
And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA)
no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to
manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326
made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of
the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok
(a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the
Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct
me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified
in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't
know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course,
means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if
it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in
my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the
bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice),
let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been
exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of
the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one
is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name
rang a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the
names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB,
whose history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him
circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA
and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc.,
of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a
sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out
and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
Andrew,
Atlas Aircraft was part of Armscor and then became part of Denel. Since the
demise of the pale Africans the business has gone downhill. They attempted
to sell the Rooivalk on the world market. One was tested here in Oz. The
only people to buy a couple were the SANDF themselves. From once being the
largest earner of foreign income into SA they don=92t even feature anymore.
On the subject of Atlas in the US it seems that vacuuming some of their
aircraft could lead to a substantial windfall and possibly prison.
What happened to your book?
I still have a photo of your old mans .30cal Bonanza in Rhodesia.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget(at)telus.net
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between this
Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa? And if so,
is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA) no longer exists
- it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to manufactured the Atlas
Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326 made under licence, the
Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of the Mirage III), an armed
version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok (a spotter aircraft, made und
er
licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the Kudu, a light medivac piston single
of their own design. Nico, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall
that the Kudu was also certified in the US. They also made the Rooivalk
attack helicopter, but I don't know if it progressed past the prototype
stage. All this, of course, means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps
are not connected. So, if it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the
issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection in my
book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the bottom of
your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that virtually
confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice), let's just
say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been exported to
Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of the rest seem to
have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one is with
our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is with our
very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW). Neither, of
course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons <mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest thing to
it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and the Mother
or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name rang a bell
rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across the names
"Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search found "Ben
Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then sold
back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB, whose
history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas Aircraft
Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29 transactions
involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July 1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield", "Widtfeld" &
"Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out there' with some
local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find that both
appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield, seemingly of Inyokern,
California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to him circa
1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the USA and back
without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to the USA, was
issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc., of Phoenix,
Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a sale to Ben
Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for Registration has ever been
submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting out and also
wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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ic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hi Andrew,
No, I don't think they are connected at all, but thanks for mentioning
the other Atlas as a possible link.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: andrew.bridget(at)telus.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between
this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa?
And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA)
no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to
manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326
made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of
the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok
(a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the
Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct
me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified
in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't
know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course,
means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if
it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection
in my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the
bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice),
let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been
exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of
the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one
is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name
rang a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across
the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB,
whose history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to
him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the
USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc.,
of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a
sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting
out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.com
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ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Buddy,
By any chance your bird painted gun metal gray when you purchased it?
Moe
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Budplaster(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected in the
past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person in
Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a great
deal on barely flyable junk with bullet holes.
While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we found
many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the
airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were ignored,
countless letters from the FAA, notices from the City of Compton to pay or
vacate the airport and a cutout behind the rear seat where a window air
conditioner for a house had been installed. In asking some old timers
familiar with the airplane about this I was told it worked very well but it
was a little too cold...No Joke!!!
I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it enough.
It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to return home
without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not so kind beginning
, but it sure is living the good life now.
Buddy
_____
See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> .
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Good question Moe - No doubt this will *trigger* Buddy to now *rifle*
through the aircraft's paperwork to check ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:54 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Buddy,
By any chance your bird painted gun metal gray when you purchased it?
Moe
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Budplaster(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:36 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
You are very correct about my 560E and Atlas Aviation being connected
in the past. As you no doubt know I purchased the airplane from a person
in Compton, California, just 10 miles from Long Beach Airport. I made a
great deal on barely flyable junk with bullet holes.
While the airplane was being taken apart to see how bad off it was, we
found many items attesting to Atlas Aviation having had some roll in the
airplane's history----10 or 12 noise abatement violations that were
ignored, countless letters from the FAA, notices from the City of
Compton to pay or vacate the airport and a cutout behind the rear seat
where a window air conditioner for a house had been installed. In asking
some old timers familiar with the airplane about this I was told it
worked very well but it was a little too cold...No Joke!!!
I could research my machine further, but I think I have picked on it
enough. It always starts, gets me where I'm going and allows me to
return home without problems. It may have had a questionable and a not
so kind beginning , but it sure is living the good life now.
Buddy
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
See what's free at AOL.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Budplaster(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders
colors......fuselage was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San Diego
Chargers
fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I
will say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am
ever needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one
needs to do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and
parts) about Commanders that have some Southern California history, as well as
elsewhere; especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have been to
Inyokern, Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the
Commander that appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I saw the
machine, probably 15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but had one
engine that had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information about the
airplane from the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think it was because
Inyokern is located within five hundreds miles of Area 51. Truly, no one would
act
like there was even airplane parked in the weeds on the south end of the
airport.
Buddy
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Any info on the Commander (680 ?) auctioned off April 15th this year at the US
Marshall's auction.
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Budplaster(at)aol.com
Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders colors......fuselage
was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San Diego Chargers fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I will
say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am ever
needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one needs to
do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and parts)
about Commanders that have some Southern California history, as well as elsewhere;
especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have been to Inyokern,
Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the Commander that
appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I saw the machine, probably
15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but had one engine that
had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information about the airplane from
the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think it was because Inyokern is located
within five hundreds miles of Area 51. Truly, no one would act like there
was even airplane parked in the weeds on the south end of the airport.
Buddy
See what's free at AOL.com.
Any info on the Commander (680 ?) auctioned off April 15th this
year at the US Marshall's auction.
Brent
<DIV>-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Budplaster(at)aol.com
Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders colors......fuselage
was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San Diego
Chargers fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I
will say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am
ever needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one
needs to do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and
parts) about Commanders that have some Southern California history,
as well as elsewhere; especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have
been to Inyokern, Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the
Commander that appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I
saw the machine, probably 15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but
had one engine that had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information about
the airplane from the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think
it was because Inyokern is located within five hundreds miles of Area 51.
Truly, no one would act like there was even airplane parked in the
weeds on the south end of the airport.
Buddy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Cory Emberson <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
Well, that's a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
(If you toy with him a little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
scam someone less astute than you...)
best, Cory
Bill Bow wrote:
>Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to
>take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
>correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
>Captain Benson's approach was.
>
>bilbo
>=======
>
>ACT ONE 5/5/07
>
>we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
>maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
>paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
>ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben(at)yahoo.es
>
>ACT TWO 5/6/07
>
>Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
>immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
>be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's
>you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
>price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that
>the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
>documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
>
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>ACT THREE 5/8/07
>
>Hello Sir,
> I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
>confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
>this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
>Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
>intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
>start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we
>go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad
>to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
>trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
>company to do that.
> 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
>have given out to me.
> 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to
>sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
>the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
>
> When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
>course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
>informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
> Best Regards.
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
Bill,
Thanks for posting, I recieved the same Act from Capt Thomas Benson or as I like
to call him...Mr. I want your $, I don't speak very good english, I am from
a foriegn country far far away, so please just give me your Bank account info
and signature & I will dissapear forever guy : )
this posting may be a good candidate for scam.com or perhaps listed to all the
other lists aircraft owners.
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Cory Emberson <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
>
> Well, that's a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
>
> Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
>
> (If you toy with him a little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
> scam someone less astute than you...)
>
> best, Cory
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
>
> >Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker to
> >take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
> >correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
> >Captain Benson's approach was.
> >
> >bilbo
> >========
> >
> >ACT ONE 5/5/07
> >
> >we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
> >maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
> >paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
> >ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben(at)yahoo.es
> >
> >ACT TWO 5/6/07
> >
> >Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
> >immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
> >be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the spec's
> >you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
> >price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure that
> >the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
> >documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
> >
> >Capt Thomas Benson
> >
> >Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
> >Abuja , Nigeria
> >
> >Tel: +2348038378073
> >
> >ACT THREE 5/8/07
> >
> >Hello Sir,
> > I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
> >confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
> >this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
> >Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
> >intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
> >start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if we
> >go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so glad
> >to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
> >trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
> >company to do that.
> > 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
> >have given out to me.
> > 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need to
> >sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
> >the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
> >
> > When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
> >course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
> >informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
> > Best Regards.
> >Capt Thomas Benson
> >
> >Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
> >Abuja , Nigeria
> >
> >Tel: +2348038378073
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Bill,
Thanks for posting, I recieved the same Act from Capt Thomas Benson or
as I like to call him...Mr. I want your $, I don't speak very good english,
I am from a foriegn country far far away, so please just give me your Bank
account info and signature & I will dissapear forever guy : )
this posting may be a good candidate for scam.com or perhaps listed to all
the other lists aircraft owners.
Brent
> --> Commander-List message posted
by: Cory Emberson
>
> Well, that's
a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
>
>
Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
>
> (If you toy with him a
little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
> scam someone less astute
than you...)
>
> best, Cory
>
> Bill Bow wrote:
>
> >Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he
get a local broker to
> >take care of the transaction. I have cut and
pasted all of his
> >correspondence below. I thought some of you guys
might like to see what
> >Captain Benson's approach was.
>
>
> >bilbo
> >========
&
gt; &g
t;
> >ACT ONE 5/5/07
> >
> >we want to arrange for
inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
> >maintenance schedule
required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
> >paint?Does it need
C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
> >ASAP.email is
capt_thomas_ben(at)yahoo.es
> >
> >ACT TWO 5/6/07
> >
> >Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate
your
> >immediate response.I have looked at all what you have
sent to me and i will
> >be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied
on the view and all the spec's
> >you have sent me.I will like to
know if you can send me your proposal on
> >price for documentation
and other related informations.Please make sure that
> >the selling
price is well stated so i can have a complete
> >documentation..Thanks
for your co-operation.
> >
> >
;Capt
Thomas Benson
> >
> >Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>
>Abuja , Nigeria
> >
> >Tel: +2348038378073
> >
> >ACT THREE 5/8/07
> >
> >Hello Sir,
>
> I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
> >confess
to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
> >this
aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
> >Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am
so
> >intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am
out here to
> >start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly
confess that if we
> >go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully,
My Company would be so glad
> >to continue to do business with
you because like i said earlier on, am
> >trying to get my Inventory
stocked up and it would be nice getting your
> &
=====
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Wow, astute! That's a first.
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory
Emberson
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: The scam
Well, that's a new approach to the Nigerian scam! Thanks for posting that.
Maybe his caps lock key was broken.
(If you toy with him a little, he'll be too busy dealing with you to
scam someone less astute than you...)
best, Cory
Bill Bow wrote:
>Captain Benson has not responded to my request that he get a local broker
to
>take care of the transaction. I have cut and pasted all of his
>correspondence below. I thought some of you guys might like to see what
>Captain Benson's approach was.
>
>bilbo
>=======
>
>ACT ONE 5/5/07
>
>we want to arrange for inspection and purchase of ur aircraft.send
>maintenance schedule required to operate the aircraft.Does it need
>paint?Does it need C-Check?send photos.We are ready to make an ofer
>ASAP.email is capt_thomas_ben(at)yahoo.es
>
>ACT TWO 5/6/07
>
>Thanks for the immediate response to my message.I really appreciate your
>immediate response.I have looked at all what you have sent to me and i will
>be getting back to you as soon as i satisfied on the view and all the
spec's
>you have sent me.I will like to know if you can send me your proposal on
>price for documentation and other related informations.Please make sure
that
>the selling price is well stated so i can have a complete
>documentation..Thanks for your co-operation.
>
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>ACT THREE 5/8/07
>
>Hello Sir,
> I am so happy to hear from you and i will like to
>confess to you that i would not be able to waste anymore time on purchasing
>this aircraft. So i will just lay down my terms below and if you accept my
>Offer, We can proceed in the sales of your aircraft because i am so
>intrested in getting your aircraft in my Inventory because am out here to
>start it Big in the Aviation Business and i must sincerly confess that if
we
>go about the sales of this aircraft sucessfully, My Company would be so
glad
>to continue to do business with you because like i said earlier on, am
>trying to get my Inventory stocked up and it would be nice getting your
>company to do that.
> 1: I will be needing the Last Asking Price From You Which am happy you
>have given out to me.
> 2: I will be needing the Letter of Proposal From You Which i will need
to
>sign in order for us to seal the Contract between My Company and Yours. In
>the proposal which you know about must include your signature.
>
> When all this has been done and sent, We can then proceed to the main
>course of th Contract; Payment Details but first the above Outlined
>informations should be sent to My email before we can go further.
> Best Regards.
>Capt Thomas Benson
>
>Thomas Benson Avaitaion Inc.
>Abuja , Nigeria
>
>Tel: +2348038378073
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Several years ago I was at Compton (next airport over from HHR my home base)
on a cloudy day with low lying stratus (remember CPM has no instrument
approach and is directly beneath the LAX TCA) and suddenly a gray commander
popped through the clouds going downwind (maybe he made a sharp right turn
at the NDB?) turned short base and landed. A middle aged couple that was
all dressed up got out of the plane ahead of the pilot and got into a Jaguar
4 door sedan. I asked the mechanic who was working on my Skymaster what the
deal was, and he said that if I ever wanted to fly to Las Vegas in "Cheap
Luxury" that I should go over and talk to the pilot. It was "sort of like a
charter service, but not really".
I decided to continue to fly my Skymaster to Las Vegas and land at HHR where
there was a localizer approach.
Moe
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Budplaster(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Moe,
Yes, it was painted in the Oakland, Los Angeles, Oakland Raiders
colors......fuselage was gray with black trim ( very depressing for a San
Diego Chargers fan)
While I am sending this with the knowledge that Barry reads all postings I
will say that I have all the log books for 50BP from it's beginning. If I am
ever needed to consult the logs for a specific bit of information all one
needs to do is ask.
Also, I would advise anyone to contact Jack Chappell for information (and
parts) about Commanders that have some Southern California history, as well
as elsewhere; especially, if they are of the older lineage. And, I have been
to Inyokern, Ca. and spent much time attempting to get information on the
Commander that appears now to have become a derelict. The first time I saw
the machine, probably 15-20 years ago, it was really a neat machine, but had
one engine that had leaked some oil. I was unable to get any information
about the airplane from the folks at Inyokern, which led me to think it was
because Inyokern is located within five hundreds miles of Area 51. Truly, no
one would act like there was even airplane parked in the weeds on the south
end of the airport.
Buddy
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| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Ben Whitfield |
Hi Richard,
That's pretty sad to hear they've gone down the tubes. The book could be
doing better but it is hard to do the marketing, hold down a full time
plus job, and spend time with the family. On and off I've been writing a
sequel... but most of the time I go back and read what I've read and
wonder how I could have written such drivel... delete and start again.
Had one draft that I thought I liked - 287,000 words - left it for a
month, came back to it and... you guessed it, didn't like it. Some parts
can be resurrected, so it's not all garbage. I have fun trying to write
the sequel, so all is not lost. :-)
Which photo do you have of the old man's Bonanza? Is it the same one
that's on the Matronics Beechcraft gallery? If it's a different one, I'd
appreciate a copy of it.
Keep well,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:28 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Andrew,
Atlas Aircraft was part of Armscor and then became part of Denel.
Since the demise of the pale Africans the business has gone downhill.
They attempted to sell the Rooivalk on the world market. One was tested
here in Oz. The only people to buy a couple were the SANDF themselves.
>From once being the largest earner of foreign income into SA they don't
even feature anymore.
On the subject of Atlas in the US it seems that vacuuming some of
their aircraft could lead to a substantial windfall and possibly prison.
What happened to your book?
I still have a photo of your old mans .30cal Bonanza in Rhodesia.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget(at)telus.net
Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2007 12:37 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello Barry,
Atlas Aircraft Corp. got me thinking - is there a connection Between
this Atlas Aircraft Corp (US) to Atlas Aircraft Corp. in South Africa?
And if so, is that possibly where your Commanders ended up? Atlas (SA)
no longer exists - it was swallowed up by Armscor. Atlas used to
manufactured the Atlas Impala, which was basically an Aermacchi MB-326
made under licence, the Atlas Cheetah (which was a complete rework of
the Mirage III), an armed version of the A=E9rospatiale Puma, the Bosbok
(a spotter aircraft, made under licence from Aermacchi, I think) and the
Kudu, a light medivac piston single of their own design. Nico, correct
me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall that the Kudu was also certified
in the US. They also made the Rooivalk attack helicopter, but I don't
know if it progressed past the prototype stage. All this, of course,
means nothing if the two Atlas Aircraft Corps are not connected. So, if
it helps, good - if not, sorry for clouding the issue.
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Thanks Moe! Close enough to possibly confirm a possible connection
in my book. Over here, 125 miles is a long way, but it's sort of at the
bottom of your back yard over there, isn't it?
Incidentally, I have now found another record on my database that
virtually confirms "Ben Widtfeldt" was indeed the president of Atlas
Aircraft Corp.
Of the 25 Commanders I find them involved with (4 of them twice),
let's just say for now that a good number (10) have definitely been
exported to Colombia, a further 5 possibly went there too and most of
the rest seem to have had a "chequered" career.
Amazingly, of the very few that have emerged with a clean sheet, one
is with our very own Buddy Plaster (560E-552, now N50BP) and another is
with our very own John Towner's Central Air (500B-1235-106, now N662MW).
Neither, of course, was bought from Atlas Aircraft Corp.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Barry,
Inyokern is about 125 air miles north of Long Beach. The closest
thing to it is Edwards Air Force Base or Mohave, home of Burt Rutan, and
the Mother or all big airline aircraft salvage yards.
Moe
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:01 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hi All,
When I first posted this, I had a nagging feeling that this name
rang a bell rather more loudly.
While looking at another Commander's history, I stumbled across
the names "Ben Widtfeld, dba: Atlas Aircraft", and then a related search
found "Ben Widtfeldt", both of them being at Long Beach, California.
At one time, "Widtfeld" was the owner of a Model 680, s/n 446-117,
registered in Colombia as HK-868P. It was seemingly bought from, then
sold back to, a Humberto Escobar Velez.
"Widtfeldt" was also seemingly the owner of 680E-873-86, N799SB,
whose history ends in unresolved paperwork.
I'm also wondering if "Widtfeld" turned his "dba" name into Atlas
Aircraft Corp., who were also domiciled in Long Beach. I can trace 29
transactions involving Commanders by them, between April 1974 & July
1981.
I've got a gut feeling that Atlas Aircraft Corp., "Whitfield",
"Widtfeld" & "Widtfeldt" are all connected, but is there anybody 'out
there' with some local knowledge. Is Inyokern anywhere near Long Beach?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Ben Whitfield
Hello All,
I'm trying to trace the fates of a couple of Commanders and find
that both appear to have ended their days with a Ben Whitfield,
seemingly of Inyokern, California.
560E-586, which was registered in Canada as CF-LBD was sold to
him circa 1978. Nothing further is known from then on.
At one point though, CF-LBD is known to have flown down to the
USA and back without the benefit of a CofA.
After that was settled in Court, a Ferry Permit, from Canada to
the USA, was issued.
680E-757-42, N8111G, was purchased by Thunderbird Aviation Inc.,
of Phoenix, Arizona on 25Mar77. On 13Jun85, they advised the FAA of a
sale to Ben Whitfield, but no Bill of Sale or Application for
Registration has ever been submitted and mail remains unanswered.
I have a gut feeling that he bought both of these for parting
out and also wonder whether he bought any others.
Do any of our guys know the name and the nature of his business?
Any kind of leads or information will be most welcome.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650) for
the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)msn.com> |
kh, there are two in tulsa, ok. i will get names and numbers. mason
>From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
>Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:53:09 EDT
>
>Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650) for
>the 500S???
>
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Hyde
>N47AC
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
kh, try mid continent airmotive 405-354-6632 or jet services 800-765-0665.
mason
>From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
>Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:53:09 EDT
>
>Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650) for
>the 500S???
>
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Hyde
>N47AC
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
These guys did my Pesco. http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com
<http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com/>
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650) for
the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Aux Hyd Pump |
kh, they also did one for me mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
These guys did my Pesco.
http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com
com/>
bilbo
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Behalf Of KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650)
for the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
You do need to specify "overhaul" or "repair". They are different.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
kh, they also did one for me mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
These guys did my Pesco. http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650) for
the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| From: | "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Aux Hyd Pump |
bb,overhaul mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
You do need to specify "overhaul" or "repair". They are different.
bilbo
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Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:21 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
kh, they also did one for me mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
These guys did my Pesco.
http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com
com/>
bilbo
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Behalf Of KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM
To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump
(64650) for the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aux Hyd Pump |
Thanks Guys, I appreciate the help.
Ken Hyde
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aux Hyd Pump |
Thanks Mason
Ken Hyde
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I have two old hyd. Pumps of the P-366-1(64650) variety that were taken
off and replaced with Pesco's. These never seem to last "long" before
needing overhaul/repair due to leaks. It seems that every year (app.
300 hrs.) they need some type of attention. Is this normal or just my
misfortune?
Should I have the old ones (mfr. Date of 1965) overhauled and put on a
shelf? The plane is a 1970 500S.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
bb,overhaul mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Bow
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
You do need to specify "overhaul" or "repair". They are different.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
kh, they also did one for me mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Bow
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
These guys did my Pesco. http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump (64650)
for the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| Subject: | Re: Aux Hyd Pump |
Hi All,
I haven't seen any other comments about this posting, but this is
literally about the 50th time I've received it.
Anyone else had the same "problem"?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:10 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
I have two old hyd. Pumps of the P-366-1(64650) variety that were
taken off and replaced with Pesco's. These never seem to last "long"
before needing overhaul/repair due to leaks. It seems that every year
(app. 300 hrs.) they need some type of attention. Is this normal or
just my misfortune?
Should I have the old ones (mfr. Date of 1965) overhauled and put on a
shelf? The plane is a 1970 500S.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:10 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
bb,overhaul mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
You do need to specify "overhaul" or "repair". They are different.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:21 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
kh, they also did one for me mason
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
These guys did my Pesco. http://www.aircraftaccessoriesofok.com
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:53 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Aux Hyd Pump
Anyone know who does the overhaul on the P-366-1 Aux Hyd Pump
(64650) for the 500S???
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
N47AC
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the help |
Hello Everyone,
I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM problem
with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having problems with
the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM particularly during
climb, in a random fashion. I had about six different replies and
suggestions as to the problem. Prior to finding the problem maintenance
had checked out some of the suggestions to no avail; prop governor and
magneto were #1 suspect but were not the problem.
Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck air
line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber hose
portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the maintenance
guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line may not have been
completely removed and the crack couldn't be seen. Anyway, the crack
was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked since.
Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the comments to
our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas as for a while
we were really baffled.
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
Aero Commander 680 FLP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aux Hyd Pump |
In a message dated 21-May-07 04:45:49 Pacific Daylight Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
I haven't seen any other comments about this posting, but this is literally
about the 50th time I've received it.
Anyone else had the same "problem"?
Sir Barry,
Since you bring it up ... I was wondering if it's the pump that's leaking, or
is it the Garlock seal where the pump attaches?
In my experience, it was always the seal that leaked and that was due to low
aircraft utilization and the seal drying, or, the seal being damaged during
installation.
If the pump is leaking, where does it leak?
Wing Commander Gordon
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Gary Tillman News story |
TCFG,
There is a news article on Gary Tillman on www.aero-news.net this am.
Gary was a much loved member of the list and died flying his 195 with
his daughter.
Tylor Hall
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the help |
Ray,
Those upper deck lines are small and often overlooked on the Rajay
Turbo conversions, both 8 cylinder and 6 cylinder. A little crack
will cause funny problems.
The upper deck lines do not exist on Supercharger or normally
aspirated aircraft.
Happy flying.
Tylor Hall
On May 21, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Ray Mansfield wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM
> problem with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having
> problems with the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM
> particularly during climb, in a random fashion. I had about six
> different replies and suggestions as to the problem. Prior to
> finding the problem maintenance had checked out some of the
> suggestions to no avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect
> but were not the problem.
>
> Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck
> air line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber
> hose portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the
> maintenance guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line
> may not have been completely removed and the crack couldn't be
> seen. Anyway, the crack was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked
> since.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the
> comments to our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas
> as for a while we were really baffled.
>
> Ray Mansfield
> N91ES
> Aero Commander 680 FLP
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_-
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> forums.matronics.com_-
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>
Tylor Hall
tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the help |
I'll bet it was a pricey crack too.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Thanks for the help
Hello Everyone,
I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM problem with
the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having problems with the
engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM particularly during climb, in a
random fashion. I had about six different replies and suggestions as to the
problem. Prior to finding the problem maintenance had checked out some of
the suggestions to no avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect but
were not the problem.
Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck air line.
That particular line had been removed and the rubber hose portions had been
replaced during the annual. Evidently the maintenance guy didn't look at
the line close enough or the line may not have been completely removed and
the crack couldn't be seen. Anyway, the crack was repaired and the engine
hasn't blinked since.
Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the comments to our
maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas as for a while we were
really baffled.
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
Aero Commander 680 FLP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Charles Lindbergh |
Gentlemen,
While not Commander-specific, let's stand in appreciation that it was 80
years ago today the Charles Lindbergh completed his Trans-Atlantic flight.
Godspeed, Mr. Lindbergh! And in this age of Flight Management Systems and
GPS, let's keep in mind that a watch, a compass and an airspeed indicator can
get you somewhere!
Wing Commander Gordon
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the help |
With MR RPM's blessing we have fabricated ours from 302 seamless tubing. I
would provide a set of drawings if you would like.
Mike Floyd
Northern Commanders LLC
_________________________________________________________________
Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Charles Lindbergh |
AMEN...
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Thanks for the help |
Yes, if you consider all the things we did prior to finding the crack.
RM
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bow
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Thanks for the help
I'll bet it was a pricey crack too.
bilbo
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:44 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Thanks for the help
Hello Everyone,
I recently posted a message seeking help with an engine RPM
problem with the Aero Commander 680 FLP that I fly. I was having
problems with the engine RPM dropping 100, 200, 300 or so RPM
particularly during climb, in a random fashion. I had about six
different replies and suggestions as to the problem. Prior to finding
the problem maintenance had checked out some of the suggestions to no
avail; prop governor and magneto were #1 suspect but were not the
problem.
Well, the problem turned out to be a crack in the upper deck air
line. That particular line had been removed and the rubber hose
portions had been replaced during the annual. Evidently the maintenance
guy didn't look at the line close enough or the line may not have been
completely removed and the crack couldn't be seen. Anyway, the crack
was repaired and the engine hasn't blinked since.
Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I relayed all of the comments
to our maintenance people. They appreciated all the ideas as for a
while we were really baffled.
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
Aero Commander 680 FLP
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net> |
Here is my most recent e mail from Sammy Lammy wanting to purchase all of my planes.
Hello,
Am interested in purchased your item without
no delay of purchased the item , i will mind
purchasing the item with the final prices of the
item and get back to me if the item price is firm.
So i want you to know that the item will be
purchased at a final price and before i proceeding to
purchase the item , i will like to ask you little
question about the item .
[1.] Do you accept a ( Cashier Check / Money Order )
as a mode of payment?
[ 2. ] What is the final asking prize you can go at
last?
[3] Will you let our shipping company to come to you
house for the pick up of the item cos we don't want
you to worry yourself about the shipping of the item
.
[4 ] You are to send your NAME,ADDRESS,TEL # to mail
out the payment today.
[ 5. ] Will you be able to send the excess fund back
to the shipping company via western union money
transfer same day you recieve and cash the check for
the arrangement of the home pick up from your house
down to my client.shippment. i'll like this
transaction to be kept in utmost trust
Thanks
NB: if you have sold the item you can get back to me
with another item which i will purchase it with out
any further delay.
I replied with 12 megabytes of smut videos.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114143#114143
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Sounds like he doesn't even know which "item" he is wanting to buy!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Handled as only you can do Milt1 You da man!
bilbo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:31 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: The scam
Here is my most recent e mail from Sammy Lammy wanting to purchase all of my
planes.
Hello,
Am interested in purchased your item without
no delay of purchased the item , i will mind
purchasing the item with the final prices of the
item and get back to me if the item price is firm.
So i want you to know that the item will be
purchased at a final price and before i proceeding to
purchase the item , i will like to ask you little
question about the item .
[1.] Do you accept a ( Cashier Check / Money Order )
as a mode of payment?
[ 2. ] What is the final asking prize you can go at
last?
[3] Will you let our shipping company to come to you
house for the pick up of the item cos we don't want
you to worry yourself about the shipping of the item
.
[4 ] You are to send your NAME,ADDRESS,TEL # to mail
out the payment today.
[ 5. ] Will you be able to send the excess fund back
to the shipping company via western union money
transfer same day you recieve and cash the check for
the arrangement of the home pick up from your house
down to my client.shippment. i'll like this
transaction to be kept in utmost trust
Thanks
NB: if you have sold the item you can get back to me
with another item which i will purchase it with out
any further delay.
I replied with 12 megabytes of smut videos.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114143#114143
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
LOL, perfect responce Milt.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "N395V" <n395v(at)hughes.net>
>
> Here is my most recent e mail from Sammy Lammy wanting to purchase all of my
> planes.
>
> Hello,
> Am interested in purchased your item without
> no delay of purchased the item , i will mind
> purchasing the item with the final prices of the
> item and get back to me if the item price is firm.
> So i want you to know that the item will be
> purchased at a final price and before i proceeding to
> purchase the item , i will like to ask you little
> question about the item .
>
>
> [1.] Do you accept a ( Cashier Check / Money Order )
> as a mode of payment?
>
> [ 2. ] What is the final asking prize you can go at
> last?
>
> [3] Will you let our shipping company to come to you
> house for the pick up of the item cos we don't want
> you to worry yourself about the shipping of the item
> .
>
> [4 ] You are to send your NAME,ADDRESS,TEL # to mail
> out the payment today.
>
> [ 5. ] Will you be able to send the excess fund back
> to the shipping company via western union money
> transfer same day you recieve and cash the check for
> the arrangement of the home pick up from your house
> down to my client.shippment. i'll like this
> transaction to be kept in utmost trust
> Thanks
>
> NB: if you have sold the item you can get back to me
> with another item which i will purchase it with out
> any further delay.
>
>
>
>
> I replied with 12 megabytes of smut videos.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
> website http://www.excaliburaviation.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114143#114143
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
LOL, perfect responce Milt.
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "N395V"
>
> Here is my most recent e mail from Sammy
Lammy wanting to purchase all of my
> planes.
>
> Hello,
> Am interested in purchased your item without
> no delay of
purchased the item , i will mind
> purchasing the item with the final
prices of the
> item and get back to me if the item price is firm.
>
So i want you to know that the item will be
> purchased at a final
price and before i proceeding to
> purchase the item , i will like to
ask you little
> question about the item .
>
>
> [1.]
Do you accept a ( Cashier Check / Money Order )
> as a mode of payment?
>
> [ 2. ] What is the final askin
g priz
e you can go at
> last?
>
> [3] Will you let our shipping
company to come to you
> house for the pick up of the item cos we don't
want
> you to worry yourself about the shipping of the item
> .
>
> [4 ] You are to send your NAME,ADDRESS,TEL # to mail
>
out the payment today.
>
> [ 5. ] Will you be able to send the
excess fund back
> to the shipping company via western union money
>
transfer same day you recieve and cash the check for
> the arrangement
of the home pick up from your house
> down to my client.shippment.
i'll like this
> transaction to be kept in utmost trust
> Thanks
>
> NB: if you have sold the item you can get back to me
>
with another item which i will purchase it with out
> any further
delay.
>
>
>
>
> I replied with 12 megabytes
of smut videos.
>
> --------
>
; Milt
>>
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
I guess I'm lucky you guys didn't make it down there. I bid by mail.
We ferried it back from Texas a few weeks ago. I was away on business so it sat
in Midland for awhile. did a gear check in Midland and it swung just fine. Flew
great all the way home.
It's in great shape. Made it through annual with only needing new bungees, wingtip
lens, accumulator bladder. O2 bottles. Passed hydro test. It had new tires,
44 hours on props........Someone put a lot of money into putting this 680E into
top shape.
I've owned a Skywagon for 7 years and am not selling it. Still fly it for those
shorter STOL flights and use the Commander for longer trips.
Cate
8)
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
Hi Cate,
So, that's 680E s/n 813-60, N4278S then?
Say "Yes" and I'll send you the history of it.
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: US Marshall's
|
| I guess I'm lucky you guys didn't make it down there. I bid by mail.
|
| We ferried it back from Texas a few weeks ago. I was away on business
so it sat in Midland for awhile. did a gear check in Midland and it
swung just fine. Flew great all the way home.
|
| It's in great shape. Made it through annual with only needing new
bungees, wingtip lens, accumulator bladder. O2 bottles. Passed hydro
test. It had new tires, 44 hours on props........Someone put a lot of
money into putting this 680E into top shape.
|
| I've owned a Skywagon for 7 years and am not selling it. Still fly it
for those shorter STOL flights and use the Commander for longer trips.
|
| Cate
|
| 8)
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114504#114504
|
|
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "captseth" <capt_seth(at)yahoo.com> |
I think I'm going to cry.
Well, I'm glad someone who appreciates it and will take care of it got the airplane.
Congrats.
Now excuse me while I strangle my accountant.
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Barry,
YES!
I'd be very interested in knowing it's history and very grateful for the info.
I'm thrilled to have it. Rest assured that it's in good hands. It will be flown,
it will be kept in great shape. I've been flying for 34 years and have owned
a number of good planes (moving up bit by bit) The C-180 Skywagon I've have is
a 1970 180H and over the years I've owned it I've put it into fantastic shapeand
flown it about 800 hours. Just put a GNS 530W in it and plan to put one in
the Commander.
Cate
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Captseth,
If I ever asked my accountant to calculate what I spend on planes and flying he'd
have me commited. I just go for it and then try to figure out how to pay the
bills. Why do you think all my shoes have holes in the bottoms?
Cate
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| From: | "MASON Chevaillier" <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
cc,welcome aboard the commander owner "wagon". mason 680Fp 2001M
>From: "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com>
>Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Re: US Marshall's
>Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 01:38:59 -0700
>
>
>
>I guess I'm lucky you guys didn't make it down there. I bid by mail.
>
>We ferried it back from Texas a few weeks ago. I was away on business so it
>sat in Midland for awhile. did a gear check in Midland and it swung just
>fine. Flew great all the way home.
>
>It's in great shape. Made it through annual with only needing new bungees,
>wingtip lens, accumulator bladder. O2 bottles. Passed hydro test. It had
>new tires, 44 hours on props........Someone put a lot of money into putting
>this 680E into top shape.
>
>I've owned a Skywagon for 7 years and am not selling it. Still fly it for
>those shorter STOL flights and use the Commander for longer trips.
>
>Cate
>
> 8)
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114504#114504
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Thanks,
I'm going to join the Commander Association group. Hoping I can be at the flyin
in Fredericksberg. The Skywagon Owners assoc. has been great in helping know
as much as possible about the type. I plan to do the same with my 680E.
Cate
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Thanks,
I'm going to join the Commander Association group. Hoping I can be at the flyin
in Fredericksberg. The Skywagon Owners assoc. has been great in helping know
as much as possible about the type. I plan to do the same with my 680E.
Cate
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Barry,
Thank You1
I can't get to my regular email to send right now but will later reply directly
to the emails you've sent.
Cate
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
| From: | "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Barry,
Thank You1
I can't get to my regular email to send right now but will later reply directly
to the emails you've sent.
Cate
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Blow Down Bottle |
Any ideas or suggestions on WHO or Where to send the blow down bottle
for "overhaul"??? Thanks in advance for any response... Got a leaking
fill valve...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blow Down Bottle |
call your local welding shop and see where they get their bottles serviced
bobf
On 5/24/07, David Owens wrote:
>
> Any ideas or suggestions on WHO or Where to send the blow down bottle for
> "overhaul"??? Thanks in advance for any response... Got a leaking fill
> valve...
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
Fredericksberg Texas? when
bobf
N500GW
On 5/24/07, skywagongirl wrote:
>
> cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com>
>
> Thanks,
>
> I'm going to join the Commander Association group. Hoping I can be at
> the flyin in Fredericksberg. The Skywagon Owners assoc. has been great in
> helping know as much as possible about the type. I plan to do the same with
> my 680E.
>
> Cate
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114524#114524
>
>
> Attachments:
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/acommanderhanger01_195.jpg
>
>
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
That was my question as well...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | BertBerry1 <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
Is there a web site where the U.S. Marshal advertises what their going to auction?
Thanks,
Bert
In a message dated 05/24/07 07:48:12 Central Daylight Time, cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com
writes:
Barry,
Thank You1
I can't get to my regular email to send right now but will later reply directly
to the emails you've sent.
Cate
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blow Down Bottle |
I guess that would be an idea, I use a gas service for the nitrogen and
O2, they might know... BUT does it need to be y-tagged etc.?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
Hi,
I think this is the link you're looking for:
http://www.aeromodservices.com/
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Marshall's
Is there a web site where the U.S. Marshal advertises what their going
to auction?
Thanks,
Bert
In a message dated 05/24/07 07:48:12 Central Daylight Time,
cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com writes:
Barry,
Thank You1
I can't get to my regular email to send right now but will later
reply directly to the emails you've sent.
Cate
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
There are no aircraft listed here... Hmmm... must of sold 'em all :)
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
Congrats Cate!!!
I had my eye on it. spoke with the individual that ferried it to the auction.
He said it was a good plane and he understood it may have been involved in a
cash purchase from drug runners.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "skywagongirl" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com>
>
> I guess I'm lucky you guys didn't make it down there. I bid by mail.
>
> We ferried it back from Texas a few weeks ago. I was away on business so it sat
> in Midland for awhile. did a gear check in Midland and it swung just fine. Flew
> great all the way home.
>
> It's in great shape. Made it through annual with only needing new bungees,
> wingtip lens, accumulator bladder. O2 bottles. Passed hydro test. It had new
> tires, 44 hours on props........Someone put a lot of money into putting this
> 680E into top shape.
>
> I've owned a Skywagon for 7 years and am not selling it. Still fly it for those
> shorter STOL flights and use the Commander for longer trips.
>
> Cate
>
> 8)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114504#114504
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Congrats Cate!!!
I had my eye on it. spoke with the individual that ferried it to the
auction. He said it was a good plane and he understood it may have been
involved in a cash purchase from drug runners.
> --> Commander-List message
posted by: "skywagongirl"
>
> I guess
I'm lucky you guys didn't make it down there. I bid by mail.
>
>
We ferried it back from Texas a few weeks ago. I was away on business so it
sat
> in Midland for awhile. did a gear check in Midland and it swung just
fine. Flew
> great all the way home.
>
> It's in great
shape. Made it through annual with only needing new bungees,
> wingtip
lens, accumulator bladder. O2 bottles. Passed hydro test. It had new
>
tires, 44 hours on props........Someone put a lot of money into putting this
> 680E into top shape.
>
> I've owned a Skywagon for 7 years
and am not selling it. Still fly it for those >
&g
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: US Marshall's |
Thats the outfit Barry, I check it from time to time.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi,
I think this is the link you're looking for:
http://www.aeromodservices.com/
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Marshall's
Is there a web site where the U.S. Marshal advertises what their going to auction?
Thanks,
Bert
In a message dated 05/24/07 07:48:12 Central Daylight Time, cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com
writes:
Barry,
Thank You1
I can't get to my regular email to send right now but will later reply directly
to the emails you've sent.
Cate
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=114528#114528
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Thats the outfit Barry, I check it from time to time.
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
>
Hi,
I think this is the link you're looking for:
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: US Marshall's
Is there a web site where the U.S. Marshal advertises what their going to
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