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The 680F(p) is obviously supercharged and pressurized, however, it seems to like about 17,000 ft. unless the winds are really good at higher altitude, and remember it has that nasty little placard that reminds you to de-pressurize at 21,000 or 22,000 feet (forgot which one since I never go up that high). As far as speed it seems to be about the same. Perhaps the flap gap seals and winglets offset each other there? I am sure that the combination did slightly extend my takeoff run a little (100 to 150 feet). Moe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:57 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: winglets Moe, Several years back I talked to an aerodynamics person at the University of Texas at Arlington and was told that the winglets were designed for jets that fly at high altitudes in thin air and down close to stall speed. He said that at the lower altitudes and at speeds well above stall they would actually slow you down. They do look so cool though and with your pressurized plane may see some gain. I have forgotten what the percent in efficiency was on the B-727, but it was supposed to be enough to pay for themselves in a short time. Jim Addington N444BD ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: winglets Bill, Thanks much for the report. Did you install the winglets alone, or did you do them along with other changes. When I had them installed on my 680F(p) the flap gap seals were installed by Commander Aero at the same time, so it was impossible to know what changed what. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680F(p) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:03 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: winglets Just to set the record straight. The AeroDyne winglets were not developed by the Air Force engineers. However, the deign was evaluated by Air Force engineers, visually not in wind tunnels, and they felt that they could probably not be improved on in their present form. They felt that there would not be a reasonable return on investment if additional evaluation was done. The originals were Commander factory winglets for the 695 Jet Props. A set of those were installed on Av Fuel's 500S (N66AV). Basically those that followed were copies of the factory winglets. They were then modified (stretched) to fit the 690 wing. No flight test were conducted to certify any performance improvement because it was too expensive. I conducted some of the original flight test for Dick Wartinger. Most of the flight test for certification were to make sure that there were no adverse effects like vibration. My findings about performance were subjective but I found that they made a significant improvement in the following areas: Low Speed , high angle of attack operations. The aircraft lifts off easier Stalls are much cleaner and normally break straight ahead (stall speed my be lower but we never certified that. Aileron control at low speed is significantly improved so cross winds are easier to handle especially in short wing aircraft (520 560 680s and Turbos). Approach speeds can be lowered 5-10 kts because of better low speed characteristics. Single engine climb appears to be improved It is hard to ell about normal climb I have never noticed any increase in cruse speed. And Oh Yea... they look way cool!!!!!! I did buy one of the first sets to put on a 681. My employer also had a 695A (1000) as well and it came with factory winglets. Anyway, that is the story on the winglets. Bill Leff ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's free at AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 22, 2007
Subject: Re: winglets
In a message dated 6/22/2007 10:47:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, moe(at)rosspistons.com writes: I am sure that the combination did slightly extend my takeoff run a little (100 to 150 feet It is the gap seals that adversely affect the TO performance. I have flown a couple of airplanes before and after the installation and in both cases, the TO performance suffered noticeably. They do however seem to give the advertised increase in speed so unless one routinely operates from short strips, they probably make since jb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 23, 2007
Subject: Re: MoGas STC & LOP
Great info and accurate jb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 22, 2007
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: winglets
> > From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: winglets > > Just to set the record straight. The AeroDyne winglets were not > developed by > the Air Force engineers. However, the deign was evaluated by Air Force > engineers, visually not in wind tunnels, and they felt that they > could probably > > not be improved on in their present form. They felt that there > would not be a > > reasonable return on investment if additional evaluation was done. Bill, et. al., Anyone know an aerodynamic engineer that would be willing to help redesign wing tips on a 300 knot aircraft? Please forward information to me at bhancock(at)worldwidewarbirds.com Thanks! Barry PS Anyone heard from Morris lately? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 23, 2007
From: Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Aero-Commander-Twin-680-FL-P-Loaded-w-Options_W0QQitemZ130126726889QQihZ003QQcategoryZ63678QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Anyone know the background on this plane? Can you commander experts fill me in on the Mr RPM executive 800 conversion? Reputation, performance, etc. What is the max pressure differential on these? Seems like it'd be one hell of a capable airplane. Phil ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Date: Jun 23, 2007
Hello Phillip, I expect there are guys on the list who can give you a run-down on the performance of the Turbo 800 680FLP. What I can tell you is that only 36 680FLP's were built, with two of these subsequently converted to another Model (1 to 680FL, 1 to 680T). Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not sure. Serial Number is 1477-5 (the 1,477th Commander built, and the 5th Model 680FLP). Was first Certificated on December 27th 1964. I haven't traced any accident damage, but I think there was a Form 337 dated August 4th 2004 outlining repairs to lower right fuselage and belly. That might indicate a collapse of the Right MLG, so it may be prudent to ask. I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea what blade model is involved? Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Guziec" <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay | | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Aero-Commander-Twin-680-FL-P-Loaded-w -Options_W0QQitemZ130126726889QQihZ003QQcategoryZ63678QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m | | Anyone know the background on this plane? Can you commander experts fill me in on the Mr RPM executive 800 conversion? Reputation, performance, etc. What is the max pressure differential on these? | | Seems like it'd be one hell of a capable airplane. | | Phil | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Date: Jun 23, 2007
Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing some pretty in-depth work... ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay Hello Phillip, I expect there are guys on the list who can give you a run-down on the performance of the Turbo 800 680FLP. What I can tell you is that only 36 680FLP's were built, with two of these subsequently converted to another Model (1 to 680FL, 1 to 680T). Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not sure. Serial Number is 1477-5 (the 1,477th Commander built, and the 5th Model 680FLP). Was first Certificated on December 27th 1964. I haven't traced any accident damage, but I think there was a Form 337 dated August 4th 2004 outlining repairs to lower right fuselage and belly. That might indicate a collapse of the Right MLG, so it may be prudent to ask. I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea what blade model is involved? Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Guziec" <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> To: Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay | | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Aero-Commander-Twin-680-FL-P-Loaded-w -Options_W0QQitemZ130126726889QQihZ003QQcategoryZ63678QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m | | Anyone know the background on this plane? Can you commander experts fill me in on the Mr RPM executive 800 conversion? Reputation, performance, etc. What is the max pressure differential on these? | | Seems like it'd be one hell of a capable airplane. | | Phil | | | | ========== | Commander-List browse | Archive and much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | ========== | bsp; available via href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com | ========== | | | | __________ NOD32 2348 (20070623) Information __________ __________ NOD32 2348 (20070623) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Date: Jun 24, 2007
bc, 47RR was involved in a prop strike on the right side due to a mechanic hooking the hydraulic lines up backwards. the prop was borrowed off of 2001m and it was replaced with new, unfortunately the left one was illegal so now they are both new on 2001m. I suspicion that since the a/c had no props on its sale there may be more in its history. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay Hello Phillip, I expect there are guys on the list who can give you a run-down on the performance of the Turbo 800 680FLP. What I can tell you is that only 36 680FLP's were built, with two of these subsequently converted to another Model (1 to 680FL, 1 to 680T). Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not sure. Serial Number is 1477-5 (the 1,477th Commander built, and the 5th Model 680FLP). Was first Certificated on December 27th 1964. I haven't traced any accident damage, but I think there was a Form 337 dated August 4th 2004 outlining repairs to lower right fuselage and belly. That might indicate a collapse of the Right MLG, so it may be prudent to ask. I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea what blade model is involved? Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Guziec" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay > | | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Aero-Commander-Twin-680-FL-P-Loaded-w -Options_W0QQitemZ130126726889QQihZ003QQcategoryZ63678QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIte m<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1964-Aero-Commander-Twin-680-FL-P-Loaded -w-Options_W0QQitemZ130126726889QQihZ003QQcategoryZ63678QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem> | | Anyone know the background on this plane? Can you commander experts fill me in on the Mr RPM executive 800 conversion? Reputation, performance, etc. What is the max pressure differential on these? | | Seems like it'd be one hell of a capable airplane. | | Phil | | | | ========== | Commander-List browse | Archive and much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List | ========== | bsp; available via href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com | ========== | | | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 24, 2007
From: Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to 400 hp and supercharged to turbocharged. Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross. It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction? Phil >Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. >Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. >I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some >input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not >sure. >I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea >what blade model is involved? >Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the >pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the >engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing >some pretty in-depth work... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Date: Jun 24, 2007
pg,flp is a 8500lb a/c roc will depend on temp and alt. a/c has been a work in progress for appox.5 years. mason call me if you like 817-517-4977 ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Guziec<mailto:philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay > So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to 400 hp and supercharged to turbocharged. Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross. It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction? Phil >Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. >Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. >I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some >input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not >sure. >I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea >what blade model is involved? >Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the >pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the >engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing >some pretty in-depth work... http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Date: Jun 24, 2007
Hi Phillip, Yes, I forgot to mention that the Turbo 800 modification involved Rajay Turbochargers being installed on the IO-720s, under STC SE62WE. I too would like to know what the performance figures are for the Turbo 800. Presumable factory figures supplied to Jane's "All The World's Aircraft", the Single Engined ROC is stated to be 252fpm., although earlier editions quoted 215fpm. These were at Sea Level and no doubt "standard atmospheric conditions". Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Guziec" <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay | | So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to 400 hp and supercharged to turbocharged. | | Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross. | | It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction? | | Phil | | | >Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. | >Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. | | >I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some | >input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not | >sure. | | >I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea | >what blade model is involved? | | >Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the | >pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the | >engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing | >some pretty in-depth work... | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay
Date: Jun 24, 2007
So, at that configuration, it's also just hanging in the air waiting for a sky hook. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay Hi Phillip, Yes, I forgot to mention that the Turbo 800 modification involved Rajay Turbochargers being installed on the IO-720s, under STC SE62WE. I too would like to know what the performance figures are for the Turbo 800. Presumable factory figures supplied to Jane's "All The World's Aircraft", the Single Engined ROC is stated to be 252fpm., although earlier editions quoted 215fpm. These were at Sea Level and no doubt "standard atmospheric conditions". Best Regards, Barry Collman UK CommanderLand Rep. High Wycombe, England "Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Guziec" < <mailto:philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Commander-List: 1964 Aero Commander Twin 680 FL(P) on Ebay philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> | | So the turbo 800 is a reliability and high altitude bump, from 380 to 400 hp and supercharged to turbocharged. | | Wonder what the single engine ROC is at gross. | | It does look like it has been sitting a while. Bankruptcy auction? | | Phil | | | >Of the remaining 36, 13 have had the Mr RPM Turbo 800 conversion. | >Original engines were Lycoming IGSO-540-B1A or -B1C. | | >I think Tylor Hall knows this plane, so no doubt he will have some | >input. 'Wing Commander' Gordon may also have 'inspected' it, but I'm not | >sure. | | >I'd like to know what the "New Full Length Blades" are. Anyone any idea | >what blade model is involved? | | >Judging by the amount of rust visible on the brake rotor in the | >pictures, that airplane hasn't flown in a while. Also, where are the | >engine cowlings? You usually don't take them off unless you're doing | >some pretty in-depth work... | | | | | ========== | Commander-List browse | Archive and much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List | ========== | bsp; available via href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com | ========== | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: 680FL & 680W Commanders
Date: Jun 24, 2007
Hi All, John Towner cannot seem to post anything on the chatlist at the moment. He blames it on an old computer and not a very good computer operator, but I don't believe the last option for one second! Anyway, his message follows: Dear TCFG Group, We use to own 2 680FL's and 1 680W with the Garrett 331 dash ? engines making about 500 SHP. I think they were 8,500 gross aircraft. (all 3 of our 680 aircraft were the long fuselage aircraft) Basically none of the 3 would climb very well at gross weight and on one engine were really under powered. We had an engine failure on takeoff with one of our 680FL's off of ICT airport operating 1,500 lb. under gross and with an OAT around 50F. We almost did not make it but we got the aircraft to about 300 AGL and then came back around and landed safely. After that I told our cargo customer we could not operate the 680FL's for them any longer and we ran 2 500B on the route. One time taking off out of Colorado Springs on a hot summer day at gross weight in our 680W I made the comment to my dad if we lose an engine on this takeoff we better just hope we have some altitude below us for I don't think we can climb this aircraft on one engine today. I visited with several of the Rockwell engineers (primarily Pete Peterson) and I was told Rockwell was very interested in not building the 680FL's and 680 turbo's and that is how the 690 series research was started and the 690 was born. Basically Rockwell reworked the wing and put the engines farther away from the fuselage and lengthened the propellers and put dash 5 Garrett 331 power on the 690 700+ SHP and then in 1978 Bob Hoover broke the World climb record to FL310 in the 690B model. My opinion on all of the above, the 680's with the long fuselage are wonderful flying aircraft but are not the best on 1 engine and are under powered for their weight and wing loading. My reason for writing the above Central Air has been to the school of hard knocks with the above and maybe the above info will help one or some of the TCFG folks from a bad problem or can help avert a bad problem or prevent an accident. The other basic problem with the IO-540 supercharged/turbo-charged and then putting a gear box on the front you will only gain another 75-80 HP and now you are pulling 45 inches of MP on takeoff and this will help cause cylinder cracking. Also with the direct drive IO-720 (Mr RPM engine) you can get a little more HP but still at 500 SPH with the 680W it did not fix the climb problem. NOTE-the 680 series with the small fuselage does not have the problems the 680 series with the long fuselage seem to have. I flew a 680E 600 hours in the 1970's (small fuselage) with 340 HP engines and that aircraft went straight up on one engine. RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, John Towner Central Air MKC Kansas City ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 24, 2007
Subject: Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders
In a message dated 6/24/2007 1:19:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: NOTE-the 680 series with the small fuselage does not have the problems the 680 series with the long fuselage seem to have. I flew a 680E 600 hours in the 1970's (small fuselage) with 340 HP engines and that aircraft went straight up on one engine. I could not have said it better myself!! That is why I fly one. Thanks John for a great bit of empirical data!! jb ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders
Date: Jun 24, 2007
I sure like mine. mason 680Fp, mrrpm conversion 2001M ----- Original Message ----- From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com<mailto:YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680FL & 680W Commanders In a message dated 6/24/2007 1:19:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: NOTE-the 680 series with the small fuselage does not have the problems the 680 series with the long fuselage seem to have. I flew a 680E 600 hours in the 1970's (small fuselage) with 340 HP engines and that aircraft went straight up on one engine. I could not have said it better myself!! That is why I fly one. Thanks John for a great bit of empirical data!! jb ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com<http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Rudder Pedal Boots
Date: Jun 25, 2007
625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 $B!|(B Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) 536-0333 moe(at)rosspistons.com Fellow Commander Drivers: The last couple of flights, the pressurization in N680RR my 680F(p) has really been weak. The problem is the boots around the rudder pedals are cracked and leaking air big time. I had always assumed that they were made of a nice, thin, and flexible leather, however, when removed they appear to be cloth that has been coated (almost like an old oil cloth table cloth). Has anyone made or had made replacement rudder pedal boots, and if so, what did you use? Comments will be greatly appreciated. Moe ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 25, 2007
Subject: Re: Rudder Pedal Boots
From: Deneal Schilmeister <deneals(at)deneals.com>
On 6/25/07 11:09 AM, "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" wrote: > The last couple of flights, the pressurization in N680RR my 680F(p) has r eally > been weak. The problem is the boots around the rudder pedals are cracked and > leaking air big time. I had always assumed that they were made of a nice , > thin, and flexible leather, however, when removed they appear to be cloth that > has been coated (almost like an old oil cloth table cloth). Has anyone m ade > or had made replacement rudder pedal boots, and if so, what did you use? > > Comments will be greatly appreciated. > > Moe I have not had any experience with this, but your description reminds me of the shift boot I had in my 1986 Audi with manual transmission. I had always thought it was leather until I replaced it to find it was a plasticized or rubberized material over a cloth-like base. Just an idea for an =B3adaptation.=B2 -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://deneals.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Rudder Pedal Boots
Date: Jun 25, 2007
Those boots are readily available from TCAC part number is 860227-7 and 860227-9 Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 25, 2007
Subject: Re: 680FL & 680W Commanders
Excuse me for butting in but I have a 680 and it will out perform most medium twins out there . It has power to spare. Wingflyer 1(at)aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Rudder Pedal Boots
Date: Jun 25, 2007
At the Twin Commander University last March, TCAC passed around a few different prototypes for replacement boots they$B!G(Bve designed, built, and tested (the example they showed was for the control column, but the construction methods would be essentially the same for all six boots). The idea is to redesign the boots to make them significantly more durable and easier to replace. From what I saw, they looked very promising, especially compared to the original equipment. No time frame or cost estimates, though. I think that I$B!G(Bll be needing to replace mine soon enough, so I have a particular interest in this topic, too! Regards, Stan N681SP From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe - Ross Racing Pistons Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Commander-List: Rudder Pedal Boots 625 S. Douglas, El Segundo, CA 90245 $B!|(B Phone: (310) 536-0100 Fax: (310) 536-0333 moe(at)rosspistons.com Fellow Commander Drivers: The last couple of flights, the pressurization in N680RR my 680F(p) has really been weak. The problem is the boots around the rudder pedals are cracked and leaking air big time. I had always assumed that they were made of a nice, thin, and flexible leather, however, when removed they appear to be cloth that has been coated (almost like an old oil cloth table cloth). Has anyone made or had made replacement rudder pedal boots, and if so, what did you use? Comments will be greatly appreciated. Moe ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Descent Power Quandry...
Date: Jun 25, 2007
Commanders! As we prepare to put N414C back in service- I've started reviewing the manuals and documents to ensure I have good data on various power settings. I've run into a quandary that I thought some of you (milt!) might have some experience with- and could thus provide some advice! In the AFM- the originally published "descent power" called for setting the props to 2800 RPM and selecting either 28" or 25" depending upon whether you wanted to come down at 1000 or 2000 fpm respectively. Tucked in the back of the AFM- I've found a bulletin from Teledyne Continental dated 07DEC88 (thus post-dating the AFM, obviously) that suggests avoiding high RPM and low MP, while also avoiding low RPM and high MP combinations in order to avoid torsional vibration to the gearing/drive train. All of this makes perfect sense- except that there are hand written notes on the bulletin that leave me scratching my head as to the "correct" method to use for descent power.... (The note reads: "For descent reduce RPM between 1700 + 1400") I called TCM seeking guidance- and they wouldn't even acknowledge that they'd ever made my engines- never mind trying to help me find someone who could help me. I called RAM- and their guy was nervous about giving me any specific power settings (obviously- the 520L/N/M is quite different) but he was able to tell me that on RAM engines they generally recommend that the pilot slow the RPM considerably below cruise RPM before descending.... So- you 685 drivers (and geared engine guru's)- help me interpret what I should be doing to manage these engines appropriately during a normal descent? I'm an airline guy- so I'm used to engine and energy management- and I'm not a chop+drop guy. I'm very comfortable managing engines that are "procedural" by nature- but in order to succeed I really need to know which procedure to use! :-) Thanks, everyone! Looking forward to some feedback! Robert S. Randazzo N414C's current custodian... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 26, 2007
Subject: Re: Descent Power Quandry...
In a message dated 25-Jun-07 20:55:00 Pacific Daylight Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes: In the AFM- the originally published "descent power" called for setting the props to 2800 RPM and selecting either 28" or 25" depending upon whether you wanted to come down at 1000 or 2000 fpm respectively. Dear Current Custodian of N414C, The above power settings for descent look pretty good, but it's been so long since I was the custodian of N414C that I don't recall. I will say that 2800 RPM and 25" is not unreasonable as far as a MAP/RPM combination for a this engine. I bet that you'll find that the current state of N414C's pressure vessel will help determine what MAP you use on descent: you may need the higher power at altitude to hold the cabin, so any other theories will be out the window ... or outflow valve to be more correct. I used to just hold cruise power and reduce MAP one inch per 5000' if coming down from the high teens, planning the descent with a decceleration segment to slow and configure for further descent. The Reno basin may not give you that luxury and you may have to "dirty up" to get down after crossing the ridge lines. ____________________________________ Now, Robert, if you'll excuse me and if I can wander off course for a moment to the discussion about the AC-680FL(P) O.E.I. performance, the -FLs were never scary to me with one engine inoperative. The FL(P)s due to their higher weights, were. However, I seldom operated at maximum weights because I was not flying cargo. The MR. RPM conversions certainly provided some fuel economy and freedom from gear boxes but I and many others felt that the potential of the IO-720 never made it to the prop -- or the prop never produced the potential thrust. Was because of the need for inter-coolers? Were the props poorly matched to the engine? I don't know but I was always disappointed in teh O.E.I. performance of the long body MR RPM conversions. I still think they're a terrific airplane and I'd still buy one if I were foolish enough to own an airplane. ;-) ____________________________________ N47RR has been discussed on this net many times and I would hope that Harry Merritt would log in with his comments -- I think Harry was the last one on this list who had it before it went to eBay. It has damage history. It's been repaired. I was impressed with the airplane when I looked at it a few years ago here in Las Vegas, before it got dropped on the floor. I thought it was one of the better MR RPM ships I'd seen. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Descent Power Quandry... [bcc][faked-from][bayes][html-rem]
Date: Jun 26, 2007
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
-----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Tue 6/26/2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Descent Power Quandry... [bcc][faked-from][bayes][html-rem] I used to just hold cruise power and reduce MAP one inch per 5000' if coming down from the high teens, planning the descent with a decceleration segment to slow and configure for further descent. The Reno basin may not give you that luxury and you may have to "dirty up" to get down after crossing the ridge lines. ____________________________________ At Reno you can take that decceleration segment and move it up to the ridge line. That way, when you clear the hill you can push the nose over while hanging out gear and boards and make a continuous descent to the blocks without building up a bunch of speed. In effect, you're just delaying a portion of the descent until later in the approach. Brock ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Descent Power Quandry... [bcc][faked-from][bayes][html-rem]
Date: Jun 26, 2007
Gents- Yeah- we have ridge lines- but nothing that prevents a sound energy management plan. The airports that are so topographically challenged that you can't find a decel point aren't the kinds of places I'll be visiting. ;-) Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 09:27 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Descent Power Quandry... [bcc][faked-from][bayes][html-rem] -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Tue 6/26/2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Descent Power Quandry... [bcc][faked-from][bayes][html-rem] I used to just hold cruise power and reduce MAP one inch per 5000' if coming down from the high teens, planning the descent with a decceleration segment to slow and configure for further descent. The Reno basin may not give you that luxury and you may have to "dirty up" to get down after crossing the ridge lines. ____________________________________ At Reno you can take that decceleration segment and move it up to the ridge line. That way, when you clear the hill you can push the nose over while hanging out gear and boards and make a continuous descent to the blocks without building up a bunch of speed. In effect, you're just delaying a portion of the descent until later in the approach. Brock __________ NOD32 2355 (20070626) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Descent Power Quandry...
Date: Jun 26, 2007
WCG- Ah- now did I know N414C was in your stable as well as Milt's? Maybe you mentioned that and I've since forgotten. (uh oh...) I flew J-32s for a thousand plus hours- I learned to be very wary of negative torque loading- so I don't find the 520Ks to be a mystery- and I was comfortably using 28"25" and 2800RPM without sensing any torque loading... I think I'll stick with that unless I find compelling evidence otherwise. Energy management around here just means having to do some of that piloting sh*t. I can mitigate having to use my piloting skills by planning ahead, however! Or sometimes coercing ATC by using the phrase "unable." (They love that one, don't they?) I'm expecting we'll see 414C back in the air in mid-July... Just in time for the seasonal high in fuel prices... Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 21:16 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Descent Power Quandry... In a message dated 25-Jun-07 20:55:00 Pacific Daylight Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes: In the AFM- the originally published "descent power" called for setting the props to 2800 RPM and selecting either 28" or 25" depending upon whether you wanted to come down at 1000 or 2000 fpm respectively. Dear Current Custodian of N414C, The above power settings for descent look pretty good, but it's been so long since I was the custodian of N414C that I don't recall. I will say that 2800 RPM and 25" is not unreasonable as far as a MAP/RPM combination for a this engine. I bet that you'll find that the current state of N414C's pressure vessel will help determine what MAP you use on descent: you may need the higher power at altitude to hold the cabin, so any other theories will be out the window ... or outflow valve to be more correct. I used to just hold cruise power and reduce MAP one inch per 5000' if coming down from the high teens, planning the descent with a decceleration segment to slow and configure for further descent. The Reno basin may not give you that luxury and you may have to "dirty up" to get down after crossing the ridge lines. _____ Now, Robert, if you'll excuse me and if I can wander off course for a moment to the discussion about the AC-680FL(P) O.E.I. performance, the -FLs were never scary to me with one engine inoperative. The FL(P)s due to their higher weights, were. However, I seldom operated at maximum weights because I was not flying cargo. The MR. RPM conversions certainly provided some fuel economy and freedom from gear boxes but I and many others felt that the potential of the IO-720 never made it to the prop -- or the prop never produced the potential thrust. Was because of the need for inter-coolers? Were the props poorly matched to the engine? I don't know but I was always disappointed in teh O.E.I. performance of the long body MR RPM conversions. I still think they're a terrific airplane and I'd still buy one if I were foolish enough to own an airplane. ;-) _____ N47RR has been discussed on this net many times and I would hope that Harry Merritt would log in with his comments -- I think Harry was the last one on this list who had it before it went to eBay. It has damage history. It's been repaired. I was impressed with the airplane when I looked at it a few years ago here in Las Vegas, before it got dropped on the floor. I thought it was one of the better MR RPM ships I'd seen. Wing Commander Gordon _____ See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> . __________ NOD32 2355 (20070626) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 26, 2007
Subject: Re: Descent Power Quandry...
In a message dated 26-Jun-07 10:51:10 Pacific Daylight Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes: I'm expecting we'll see 414C back in the air in mid-July... Just in time for the seasonal high in fuel prices... You won't want to miss the Summer fuel gouge! I.O.U. the trend monitors from N414C. I've given up the storage locker, moved all the junk into my garage and am buying gasoline with the money I'm saving. Next I have to do some box diving and find the trends. I will scan to .pdf files and send you a sampling of the engine / flight data from my time in your airplane. BTW, I flew it in 1997/1998, based at Lee's Summit, MO in the summer and Richards Gebaur (now closed) in the winter. It was leased by McKinley Communications in Blue Springs, MO, who was the P.R. firm Twin Commander hired to start and run an owners' association. They hired me full time to fly them on their business trips and to run the Twin Commander Flight Group. Dick MacCoon (MR RPM) owned the airplane and it was to be the conformity article for the Orenda conversion program. The Orenda program flopped, MR RPM put the airplane(s) up for sale and McKinley Communications had a going away party for me. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Descent Power Quandry...
Date: Jun 26, 2007
WCG- Now- see? I DO remember that now.... Must need more memory. Mine is getting full. Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:03 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Descent Power Quandry... In a message dated 26-Jun-07 10:51:10 Pacific Daylight Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes: I'm expecting we'll see 414C back in the air in mid-July... Just in time for the seasonal high in fuel prices... You won't want to miss the Summer fuel gouge! I.O.U. the trend monitors from N414C. I've given up the storage locker, moved all the junk into my garage and am buying gasoline with the money I'm saving. Next I have to do some box diving and find the trends. I will scan to .pdf files and send you a sampling of the engine / flight data from my time in your airplane. BTW, I flew it in 1997/1998, based at Lee's Summit, MO in the summer and Richards Gebaur (now closed) in the winter. It was leased by McKinley Communications in Blue Springs, MO, who was the P.R. firm Twin Commander hired to start and run an owners' association. They hired me full time to fly them on their business trips and to run the Twin Commander Flight Group. Dick MacCoon (MR RPM) owned the airplane and it was to be the conformity article for the Orenda conversion program. The Orenda program flopped, MR RPM put the airplane(s) up for sale and McKinley Communications had a going away party for me. _____ See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> . __________ NOD32 2355 (20070626) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Years
Date: Jun 29, 2007
It's not often you receive such wisdom in a short email. > > On the fifth day, God said, "Let the land produce living creatures > according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the > ground, and wild animals." > > God created the cow and said, "You must go into the field with the > farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves, and give > milk to support the farmer's family. For this, I will give you a life > span of sixty years." > > The cow said: "That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for > sixty years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?" > > So God agreed. > > God created the dog and said, "Sit all day by the door of your house > and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. For this, I will give > you a life span of twenty years." > > The dog said: "That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten > years and I'll give you back the other ten like the cow did?" > > And God agreed. > > Then God created the monkey and said, "Entertain people, do tricks, > and make them laugh. For this, I'll give you a twenty-year life span." > > The monkey said: "Monkey tricks for twenty years? That's a pretty long > time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the dog did?" > > And God agreed again. > > Then God said, "Let us make man in our image...." And He said to Adam, > "Eat, sleep, play, marry, and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you > twenty years." > > But Adam said: "Only twenty years? I'll never even figure out Eve in > that time! Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow > gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave > back; that makes eighty, okay?" > > "Okay," said God, "It shall be as you've asked." > > So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play, and > enjoy ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to > support our family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to > entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the > front porch and bark at everyone. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Years
From: <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2007
Bravo!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Years
Date: Jun 30, 2007
I'm 41. So when exactly do we figure out Eve? (My profoundest apologies to the women on the list.) Steve @ Col-East ----- Original Message ----- From: David Owens To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Commander-List: Years It's not often you receive such wisdom in a short email. > > On the fifth day, God said, "Let the land produce living creatures > according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the > ground, and wild animals." > > God created the cow and said, "You must go into the field with the > farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves, and give > milk to support the farmer's family. For this, I will give you a life > span of sixty years." > > The cow said: "That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for > sixty years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?" > > So God agreed. > > God created the dog and said, "Sit all day by the door of your house > and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. For this, I will give > you a life span of twenty years." > > The dog said: "That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten > years and I'll give you back the other ten like the cow did?" > > And God agreed. > > Then God created the monkey and said, "Entertain people, do tricks, > and make them laugh. For this, I'll give you a twenty-year life span." > > The monkey said: "Monkey tricks for twenty years? That's a pretty long > time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the dog did?" > > And God agreed again. > > Then God said, "Let us make man in our image...." And He said to Adam, > "Eat, sleep, play, marry, and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you > twenty years." > > But Adam said: "Only twenty years? I'll never even figure out Eve in > that time! Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow > gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave > back; that makes eighty, okay?" > > "Okay," said God, "It shall be as you've asked." > > So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play, and > enjoy ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to > support our family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to > entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the > front porch and bark at everyone. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Years
Date: Jun 30, 2007
Apologies...Why? bilbo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve @ Col-East Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Years I'm 41. So when exactly do we figure out Eve? (My profoundest apologies to the women on the list.) Steve @ Col-East ----- Original Message ----- From: David <mailto:dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> Owens Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Commander-List: Years It's not often you receive such wisdom in a short email. > > On the fifth day, God said, "Let the land produce living creatures > according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the > ground, and wild animals." > > God created the cow and said, "You must go into the field with the > farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves, and give > milk to support the farmer's family. For this, I will give you a life > span of sixty years." > > The cow said: "That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for > sixty years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?" > > So God agreed. > > God created the dog and said, "Sit all day by the door of your house > and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. For this, I will give > you a life span of twenty years." > > The dog said: "That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten > years and I'll give you back the other ten like the cow did?" > > And God agreed. > > Then God created the monkey and said, "Entertain people, do tricks, > and make them laugh. For this, I'll give you a twenty-year life span." > > The monkey said: "Monkey tricks for twenty years? That's a pretty long > time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the dog did?" > > And God agreed again. > > Then God said, "Let us make man in our image...." And He said to Adam, > "Eat, sleep, play, marry, and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you > twenty years." > > But Adam said: "Only twenty years? I'll never even figure out Eve in > that time! Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow > gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave > back; that makes eighty, okay?" > > "Okay," said God, "It shall be as you've asked." > > So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play, and > enjoy ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to > support our family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to > entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the > front porch and bark at everyone. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Twin vs Single engine
Date: Jul 01, 2007
This is a report I picked up form avWebFlash news. My rant has nothing to do with the circumstances that killed Bruce Kennedy. Once again, I am astonished that folks would fly single engine planes over hazardous terrain, such as heavily populated areas, mountains or water. I usually get into an argument about multi vs single engine planes, and they never end with my counterparts seeing the light. Even though the chances of getting an in-flight engine failure are doubled in a twin, the chances of having to contend with an unscheduled landing aren't doubled. More often than not, an engine failure in a twin would get you to an airport where you can walk to the local FBO's offices for coffee. Shaken, perhaps, but nothing more than what a good dose of caffeine wouldn't fix. In the usual argument, at this point, I have to respond with "don't get yourself worked up about more training to stay proficient in a twin" because if the pilot is not proficient, don't fly. That goes for anything that leaves terra firma. Any number of hours in one's logbook won't save one when the choices have been reduced to a landing either on a rooftop or in a parking lot. My most sincere condolences with Bruce's family. Nico Quest Aircraft Chairman Killed In Crash Bruce Kennedy, 68, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Quest Aircraft, died in the crash of his Cessna 182 near the Cashmere (Wash.) Airport on Thursday. Kennedy had a long career with Alaska Airlines and retired as its CEO in 1991. He was on his way to Wenatchee to see his grandchildren when the plane went down in a high school parking lot while attempting to land. The airplane hit a truck and a tree before catching fire next to a house. No one on the ground was hurt. Weather was reported to be mostly clear with light winds at the time of the crash. Kennedy worked for Alaska Airlines and its predecessor for 32 years and is credited with the modern expansion that turned it into an international carrier. He took early retirement in 1991 to pursue humanitarian causes. According to a news release from his family, he was especially fond of his involvement with Quest Aircraft, which is on the cusp of certification for its turboprop Kodiak bush plane. The Kodiak will be sold in the general market and profits from those sales will be used to donate aircraft to humanitarian organizations flying into remote areas around the world. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Twin vs Single engine
Date: Jul 02, 2007
Nico- Ouch... That's tragic. And to think of all the people in the world NOT contributing to the greater good- we really could use keeping people like him around on this rock of ours. All of aviation is about risk management. I've had five engine failures while flying twin engine airplanes- and non flying a single engine airplane. To the uninitiated- that should tell you that twins are far less dependable. :-) When flying my wife and daughter around- I much prefer to fly them in a twin. I'm a competent multi pilot- so my risk factors are properly mitigated- and if one quits- I have lots more time to plan a safe resolution of the flight than I do in a single. The single engine advocates ask all kinds of questions about loss of control if an engine quits on rotation, or during a go around... But my answer sounds much like yours. Proficiency, training and GOOD JUDGMENT. A competent pilot puts quite a bit of effort into making sure that an engine failure within 500' AGL won't result in a twin that won't climb... You plan that out of the flight IN ADVANCE. In the T-6, if the engine quits anywhere in flight- I don't have the option of "planning it out of the flight." Robert S. Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 23:32 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Twin vs Single engine --> This is a report I picked up form avWebFlash news. My rant has nothing to do with the circumstances that killed Bruce Kennedy. Once again, I am astonished that folks would fly single engine planes over hazardous terrain, such as heavily populated areas, mountains or water. I usually get into an argument about multi vs single engine planes, and they never end with my counterparts seeing the light. Even though the chances of getting an in-flight engine failure are doubled in a twin, the chances of having to contend with an unscheduled landing aren't doubled. More often than not, an engine failure in a twin would get you to an airport where you can walk to the local FBO's offices for coffee. Shaken, perhaps, but nothing more than what a good dose of caffeine wouldn't fix. In the usual argument, at this point, I have to respond with "don't get yourself worked up about more training to stay proficient in a twin" because if the pilot is not proficient, don't fly. That goes for anything that leaves terra firma. Any number of hours in one's logbook won't save one when the choices have been reduced to a landing either on a rooftop or in a parking lot. My most sincere condolences with Bruce's family. Nico Quest Aircraft Chairman Killed In Crash Bruce Kennedy, 68, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Quest Aircraft, died in the crash of his Cessna 182 near the Cashmere (Wash.) Airport on Thursday. Kennedy had a long career with Alaska Airlines and retired as its CEO in 1991. He was on his way to Wenatchee to see his grandchildren when the plane went down in a high school parking lot while attempting to land. The airplane hit a truck and a tree before catching fire next to a house. No one on the ground was hurt. Weather was reported to be mostly clear with light winds at the time of the crash. Kennedy worked for Alaska Airlines and its predecessor for 32 years and is credited with the modern expansion that turned it into an international carrier. He took early retirement in 1991 to pursue humanitarian causes. According to a news release from his family, he was especially fond of his involvement with Quest Aircraft, which is on the cusp of certification for its turboprop Kodiak bush plane. The Kodiak will be sold in the general market and profits from those sales will be used to donate aircraft to humanitarian organizations flying into remote areas around the world. __________ NOD32 2368 (20070701) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: 9th Fighter Squadron
Date: Jul 03, 2007
Does this article ring a bell with anyone? It was given to me by John F. Harper (81) a couple of years ago, who suffered a stroke recently. I would like to see if there are more recollections surrounding this event. Thanks Nico http://www.teletuition.org/documents/9thFighterSqn/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 03, 2007
Subject: Nacelle top skins
Anyone know where I can find the aft-top nacelle skins for 500S Ser 3200? Part No 260019-65 or -205 skin,LH inboard and Part No. 260019-66 or -206 skin, RH inboard. In the parts manual page 2-198 figure 2-49 index no. 40. Appreciate any leads. Thanks Ken Hyde N47AC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Wright" <blbarron(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Nacelle top skins
Date: Jul 03, 2007
To All I have a GO480 G2D6 ( 1200 hrs ) FWF for sale being removed for an upgrade in two weeks. The conversion will be done in Nebraska. The prop is a Hartzell MV. ( No AD ) Anyone interested can contact me at blbarron(at)bellsouth.net for more info. Paul _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of KenWHyde(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Commander-List: Nacelle top skins Anyone know where I can find the aft-top nacelle skins for 500S Ser 3200? Part No 260019-65 or -205 skin,LH inboard and Part No. 260019-66 or -206 skin, RH inboard. In the parts manual page 2-198 figure 2-49 index no. 40. Appreciate any leads. Thanks Ken Hyde N47AC _____ See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Descent Power Quandry...
From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
Date: Jul 07, 2007
Start with 25/2800 then adjust as need/conditions feel/dictate. You will feel or hear it if it ain't right and soon will get to know what settings not to use. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122638#122638 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Re: Descent Power Quandry...
Date: Jul 08, 2007
Milt- Thanks- that was what I was hoping to hear. How's your airplane search going? Rob -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Descent Power Quandry... --> Start with 25/2800 then adjust as need/conditions feel/dictate. You will feel or hear it if it ain't right and soon will get to know what settings not to use. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=122638#122638 __________ NOD32 2382 (20070706) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Subject: Engine Cough?
All- We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. Doesn't happen when increasing power. All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on final! Any thoughts? Matt ******************** Matthew Hawkins Director, Marine Ops R/V HUGH R. SHARP 302-645-4341 FAX: 302-645-4006 hawkins(at)udel.edu ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cough?
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Induction leak? Loose induction tube (not seated right), or cracked flange on a tube? I'll quit speculating. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? > > > All- > > We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. > They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. > > When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" > of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. > > Doesn't happen when increasing power. > > All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. > > About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during > first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen > every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on > final! > > Any thoughts? > > Matt > > ******************** > Matthew Hawkins > Director, Marine Ops > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > 302-645-4341 > FAX: 302-645-4006 > hawkins(at)udel.edu > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Runaway trim is pretty scary. The Monday morning quarterbacking session yielded a solid response; instead of pulling breakers, shutting off the master evidently disables all trim function and the airplane can still be flown. I really wish it had worked out for that medical team, it's a double tragedy to lose a team of lifesavers like that... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Engine Cough? [bcc][faked-from]
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Too rich? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve at Col-East Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Cough? [bcc][faked-from] Induction leak? Loose induction tube (not seated right), or cracked flange on a tube? I'll quit speculating. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? > > > All- > > We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. > They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. > > When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" > of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. > > Doesn't happen when increasing power. > > All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. > > About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during > first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen > every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on > final! > > Any thoughts? > > Matt > > ******************** > Matthew Hawkins > Director, Marine Ops > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > 302-645-4341 > FAX: 302-645-4006 > hawkins(at)udel.edu > > > 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Subject: Engine Cough? [bcc][faked-from]
Maybe - thanks, we'll check that too - as well as for induction leaks again. Glad you're all at least suggesting minor things so far! That was our hope. Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Engine Cough? [bcc][faked-from] Too rich? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Steve at Col-East Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Cough? [bcc][faked-from] --> Induction leak? Loose induction tube (not seated right), or cracked flange on a tube? I'll quit speculating. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? > > > All- > > We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of > N2760B. They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure > carburetors. > > When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's > 21" of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit > rough. > > Doesn't happen when increasing power. > > All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. > > About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen > during first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't > happen every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little > disconcerting on final! > > Any thoughts? > > Matt > > ******************** > Matthew Hawkins > Director, Marine Ops > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > 302-645-4341 > FAX: 302-645-4006 > hawkins(at)udel.edu > > 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= 3D======================== 3D========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
How would you know you would remember shutting off the master when there are only a few seconds left? Training for such an emergency in a simulator would be a good starting point, I guess. You still wouldn't know, would you? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash Runaway trim is pretty scary. The Monday morning quarterbacking session yielded a solid response; instead of pulling breakers, shutting off the master evidently disables all trim function and the airplane can still be flown. I really wish it had worked out for that medical team, it's a double tragedy to lose a team of lifesavers like that... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
How would you know you would remember shutting off the master when there are only a few seconds left? Training for such an emergency in a simulator would be a good starting point, I guess. You still wouldn't know, would you? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash Runaway trim is pretty scary. The Monday morning quarterbacking session yielded a solid response; instead of pulling breakers, shutting off the master evidently disables all trim function and the airplane can still be flown. I really wish it had worked out for that medical team, it's a double tragedy to lose a team of lifesavers like that... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
All the commercial aircraft I have flown that had an electric trim also had a 'brake', pull the yoke in the opposite direction of the run away trim and the brake engages, then turn off the electric trim. A maneuver that you get every simulator session. But I never had one in real life, which is good. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash How would you know you would remember shutting off the master when there are only a few seconds left? Training for such an emergency in a simulator would be a good starting point, I guess. You still wouldn't know, would you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:19 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash Runaway trim is pretty scary. The Monday morning quarterbacking session yielded a solid response; instead of pulling breakers, shutting off the master evidently disables all trim function and the airplane can still be flown. I really wish it had worked out for that medical team, it's a double tragedy to lose a team of lifesavers like that... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/8/2007 6:32 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
I don't know that I would remember. That's a failure mode that's hard to survive under any circumstances, having an airplane you're suddenly unable to control.... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash How would you know you would remember shutting off the master when there are only a few seconds left? Training for such an emergency in a simulator would be a good starting point, I guess. You still wouldn't know, would you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:19 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash Runaway trim is pretty scary. The Monday morning quarterbacking session yielded a solid response; instead of pulling breakers, shutting off the master evidently disables all trim function and the airplane can still be flown. I really wish it had worked out for that medical team, it's a double tragedy to lose a team of lifesavers like that... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ __________ NOD32 2385 (20070709) Information __________ __________ NOD32 2385 (20070709) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: RE: Craziest Cessna crash (Correct link now, sorry about
that)
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Sorry, Folks. This is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Yf6_MVTck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Craziest Cessna crash (Correct link now, sorry
about that)
Date: Jul 09, 2007
That's a different wreck. bb _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Commander-List: RE: Craziest Cessna crash (Correct link now, sorry about that) Sorry, Folks. This is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Yf6_MVTck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cough?
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Matt, Wouldn't happen to have a 6 probe EGT aboard? Be interesting to see what it said when the engine burps. I've seen now several tubes crack underneath the clamp in the flange. Plus they are a little tricky to seat. But I don't want to send you on a wild goose chase. Rich wasn't a bad suggestion either. Couple months back I posted about having an injector servo go WAY rich when reducing power. You're running a pressure carburetor, different from our rig and outside my experience, but a similar situation seems concievable. This might be a goofy idea, but have you pulled the plugs yet to see how they're doing cylinder by cylinder? Right after you had the condition might be informative. Ok, now I'll really stop speculating. Honest. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? > > > All- > > We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. > They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. > > When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" > of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. > > Doesn't happen when increasing power. > > All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. > > About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during > first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen > every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on > final! > > Any thoughts? > > Matt > > ******************** > Matthew Hawkins > Director, Marine Ops > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > 302-645-4341 > FAX: 302-645-4006 > hawkins(at)udel.edu > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Cough?
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Make sure your (aluminum) fuel lines don't have any pin holes - sometimes they're nearly impossible to see! They were on my 560. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? > > > All- > > We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. > They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. > > When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" > of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. > > Doesn't happen when increasing power. > > All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. > > About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during > first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen > every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on > final! > > Any thoughts? > > Matt > > ******************** > Matthew Hawkins > Director, Marine Ops > R/V HUGH R. SHARP > 302-645-4341 > FAX: 302-645-4006 > hawkins(at)udel.edu > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: fly in
Hello fellow Commanders! I seem to have lost my info, can someone kindly forward the info for the Fly-In for I plan on attending. Thank you, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: Hangar Hotel update
Date: Jul 09, 2007
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com> Cc: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 6:32 pm Subject: Hangar Hotel update Cpt Jim, Just a little info on the Hangar Hotel.? One of the pilots for Sanborn Mapping that we trained last year (insurance training), has returned this week for re-current.? Sanborn has a 500S that they do mapping with.? You might see if you go to "Google Earth" to the right it will say Sanborn.? Sanborn was at the "Hangar Hotel airport several weeks ago doing a mapping assignment and their pilot said the Hangar Hotel is really "cool" and the mechanic at the airport did some work on their 500S and is good too.? He said the Hangar Hotel decor and the "Officer's Club" etc is really a fun experience.? I told the Sanborn fellows they need to join the TCFG and come this year to our get together and they said they will try.? Also Sanborn has purchased a 2nd Commander because the 1st one has worked out so well for mapping. YOUR FRIEND, John Towner ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Craziest Cessna crash
Date: Jul 09, 2007
Standard procedure training event at a part 121 air carrier.... they throw a runaway at you (almost always a nose down event in close proximity to the ground) just to see how quickly you can grab the master disconnect.... If these guys were hunting for circuit breakers- and they'd been professionally trained (which I'm assuming is the case) then maybe the problem wasn't so simple as all of us quarter backs would hope.... Rob _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash How would you know you would remember shutting off the master when there are only a few seconds left? Training for such an emergency in a simulator would be a good starting point, I guess. You still wouldn't know, would you? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash Runaway trim is pretty scary. The Monday morning quarterbacking session yielded a solid response; instead of pulling breakers, shutting off the master evidently disables all trim function and the airplane can still be flown. I really wish it had worked out for that medical team, it's a double tragedy to lose a team of lifesavers like that... /John ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 AM Subject: Commander-List: Craziest Cessna crash This is the craziest I've ever seen. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/903-full.html#195584 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________ NOD32 2384 (20070708) Information __________ __________ NOD32 2386 (20070709) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Engine Cough?
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
?After checking the other suggestions, It is probably an adjustment to the pressure carb.? Try this.? While it is acting?jacking up, manually lean the carb and see if it clears up.? If it does, it is rich, if not, most likely lean.? There are two adjustment on the carb.? One for idle mix, the other for "off idle"? It is probably the off -idle but both will need touched up.? If you have a manual for the engine it will cover this procedure, if not let me know and I can walk you through it.? One last thing, make certain the carb heat is not on.? Sometimes the linkage will allow the carb to pull in hot air and with the temps rising it could just now be showing up.? If the engine has?had a backfiring incident recently, if could have bent the little carb heat butterfly doors in the carb heat box.? I have seen several of these over the years and they too will let hot air into the carbs causing them to stumble.? Conversely, an exhaust leak in the?cowling can overheat the ambient air in there and trick the carb into thinking it is really hot outside and it will try to compensate by leaning.?jb 360-903-6901 pressure carburetors -----Original Message----- From: Matthew J. Hawkins <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 9:07 am Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? All- We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. They are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. Doesn't happen when increasing power. All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on final! Any thoughts? Matt ******************** Matthew Hawkins Director, Marine Ops R/V HUGH R. SHARP 302-645-4341 FAX: 302-645-4006 hawkins(at)udel.edu ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 10, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: fly in
Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 7:30:06 PM Subject: fly in Hello fellow Commanders! I seem to have lost my info, can someone kindly forward the info for the Fly-In for I plan on attending. Thank you, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
The Flyin at Fredericksburg Texas will be held September 20-23rd. Looking forward to seeing a record number of Commanders and Commander enthusiasts there. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
The Hangar Hotel which is actually on the airport has been booked for the event. Check out their website: www.hangarhotel.com. We'll be sending more details on the event by the end of this month. But mark your calendars now so you'll be able to attend. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: fly in
Is anyone receiving this message? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:14:34 PM Subject: Fw: fly in Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 7:30:06 PM Subject: fly in Hello fellow Commanders! I seem to have lost my info, can someone kindly forward the info for the Fly-In for I plan on attending. Thank you, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I am... Note: the other messages I just sent were in reply to youre last, and were copied from previous ones I received... Have a good one! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
Thanks David, I did not recv any messages until today. See yall there! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: David Owens <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:06:13 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: fly in I am... Note: the other messages I just sent were in reply to youre last, and were copied from previous ones I received... Have a good one! David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Gilson" <steveg(at)nternet.com>
Subject: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
What? Steve G _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: fly in Is anyone receiving this message? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:14:34 PM Subject: Fw: fly in Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 7:30:06 PM Subject: fly in Hello fellow Commanders! I seem to have lost my info, can someone kindly forward the info for the Fly-In for I plan on attending. Thank you, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48225/*http:/new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/featu res/mail/index.php> wherever you're surfing. _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http:/farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFic DJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20-> with Yahoo! FareChase. _____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49936/*http:/videogames.yahoo.com> PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Donnie- No. ;-) Robert Randazzo _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:05 Subject: Commander-List: Fw: fly in Is anyone receiving this message? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:14:34 PM Subject: Fw: fly in Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 7:30:06 PM Subject: fly in Hello fellow Commanders! I seem to have lost my info, can someone kindly forward the info for the Fly-In for I plan on attending. Thank you, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48225/*http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat ures/mail/index.php> wherever you're surfing. _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http://farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFi cDJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20-> with Yahoo! FareChase. _____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49936/*http://videogames.yahoo.com> PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. __________ NOD32 2396 (20070712) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
David the correct ID is T82, correct? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: David Owens <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:57:25 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: fly in The Flyin at Fredericksburg Texas will be held September 20-23rd. Looking forward to seeing a record number of Commanders and Commander enthusiasts there. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
>From the website... Fredericksburg FBO offers full line services at T82-Gillespie County Airport-in Fredericksburg, Texas. We provide both Avgas 100LL and Jet A, either full-serve or self-serve (24 hours a day) at competitive prices. We also have a Fuel Club program for pilots who buy fuel frequently. We accept most major credit cards. Our recently completed expansion project features a brand-new services facility with a comfortable lobby, concierge service, on-site car rentals, and pilot-only amenities like a dedicated flight planning area. Plus, we've added a 12,000 square foot insulated hangar, as well as 1.5 acres of dedicated outdoor aircraft parking space. Fredericksburg FBO is next door to dining and lodging at the Hangar Hotel and Airport Diner. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
the url... http://www.fredericksburgfbo.com/index.html David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: 3 Marines Need Help, Don't Let Them Down
Date: Jul 12, 2007
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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Fw: fly in
Date: Jul 12, 2007
I GOT IT, DONNIE. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: fly in Is anyone receiving this message? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:14:34 PM Subject: Fw: fly in Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 7:30:06 PM Subject: fly in Hello fellow Commanders! I seem to have lost my info, can someone kindly forward the info for the Fly-In for I plan on attending. Thank you, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48225/*http:/new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/featu res/mail/index.php> wherever you're surfing. _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=47094/*http:/farechase.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTFic DJoNDllBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BHBvcwMxMwRzZWMDZ3JvdXBzBHNsawNlbWFpbC1uY20-> with Yahoo! FareChase. _____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49936/*http:/videogames.yahoo.com> PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2007
Subject: Re: Fw: fly in
In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:06:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com writes: Is anyone receiving this message? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 I received it load and clear! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 12, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: thaanks
Thanks David, Nico, Bob and Robert. See you at T82! N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
Date: Jul 13, 2007
Subject: Engine Cough?
JB- Looks like you might have nailed it on this one! We found the carb heat li nkage maladjusted - we'll let you know if that solves the problem. Many thanks! Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Engine Cough? After checking the other suggestions, It is probably an adjustment to the pressure carb. Try this. While it is acting jacking up, manually lean the carb and see if it clears up. If it does, it is rich, if not, most likely lean. There are two adjustment on the carb. One for idle mix, the other for "off idle" It is probably the off -idle but both will need touched up. If you have a manual for the engine it will cover this procedure, if not let me know and I can walk you through it. One last thing, make certain th e carb heat is not on. Sometimes the linkage will allow the carb to pull i n hot air and with the temps rising it could just now be showing up. If th e engine has had a backfiring incident recently, if could have bent the lit tle carb heat butterfly doors in the carb heat box. I have seen several of these over the years and they too will let hot air into the carbs causing them to stumble . Conversely, an exhaust leak in the cowling can overheat the ambient air in there and trick the carb into thinking it is really hot outside and it will try to compensate by leaning. jb 360-903-6901 pressure carburetors -----Original Message----- From: Matthew J. Hawkins <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 9:07 am Subject: Commander-List: Engine Cough? l.edu> All- We're having a minor intermittent problem on the left engine of N2760B. Th ey are Lycoming G0-480-DIA's. Geared engine with pressure carburetors. When reducing power, the engine will cough/sputter as soon as it hit's 21" of manifold pressure. Doesn't quit - just skips and runs a bit rough. Doesn't happen when increasing power. All gauge reading in the green - nothing obvious. About 15 hours on the engines since major overhaul. Did not happen during first 10-12hrs - started during past couple of flights. Won't happen every time - but about 75% of the time. Just a little disconcerting on final! Any thoughts? Matt ******************** Matthew Hawkins Director, Marine Ops R/V HUGH R. SHARP 302-645-4341 FAX: 302-645-4006 hawkins(at)udel.edu ________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
Date: Jul 14, 2007
Has anyone come up with a clean up for the engine cooling drag on the older Aero Commanders? (Mine is a 560E). I see mods for airframe clean up, but it seems to me that the really glaring drag comes from engine cooling. Has work been done on this? Was it successful? Has it been published? Has anyone come up with an STC? Any information would be helpful. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
Date: Jul 15, 2007
The short answer is no, in particular to an STC. The correct terminology is bathtub comander as opposed to fat cowled or Pensui which is hinese for fat jowls. I suspect you could do a lot inside the cowl (where it can't be seen with a bit of sheet aluminum and fiberglass. Thaere ain't enough of them to make an STC economically feasible. Best speed mod available is the flap gap seal. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123899#123899 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Lots more power. bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? The short answer is no, in particular to an STC. The correct terminology is bathtub comander as opposed to fat cowled or Pensui which is hinese for fat jowls. I suspect you could do a lot inside the cowl (where it can't be seen with a bit of sheet aluminum and fiberglass. Thaere ain't enough of them to make an STC economically feasible. Best speed mod available is the flap gap seal. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123899#123899 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Is that as in "JATO" Bilbo? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? > > Lots more power. > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:37 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? > > > > The short answer is no, in particular to an STC. > > The correct terminology is bathtub comander as opposed to fat cowled or > Pensui which is hinese for fat jowls. > > I suspect you could do a lot inside the cowl (where it can't be seen with > a > bit of sheet aluminum and fiberglass. > > Thaere ain't enough of them to make an STC economically feasible. > > Best speed mod available is the flap gap seal. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123899#123899 > > > -- > 2:21 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Maybe Saturn 5!!!! bilbo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Girod Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? Is that as in "JATO" Bilbo? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? > > Lots more power. > > bilbo > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:37 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? > > > > The short answer is no, in particular to an STC. > > The correct terminology is bathtub comander as opposed to fat cowled or > Pensui which is hinese for fat jowls. > > I suspect you could do a lot inside the cowl (where it can't be seen with > a > bit of sheet aluminum and fiberglass. > > Thaere ain't enough of them to make an STC economically feasible. > > Best speed mod available is the flap gap seal. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123899#123899 > > > -- > 2:21 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Subject: P-366-D Aux Hyd pump
All, Looking for overhauled P-366-D aux hyd (5606 fluid) pump or source for doing overhaul??? Thanks, Ken Hyde N47AC ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: P-366-D Aux Hyd pump
Date: Jul 15, 2007
kh, there are two in tulsa, I will try to look them up. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com<mailto:KenWHyde(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Commander-List: P-366-D Aux Hyd pump All, Looking for overhauled P-366-D aux hyd (5606 fluid) pump or source for doing overhaul??? Thanks, Ken Hyde N47AC ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000 000982>. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: P-366-D Aux Hyd pump
Date: Jul 15, 2007
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
HI KEN.? Try Quality A/C Accessories Tulsa 877-833-6948? jb -----Original Message----- From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com Sent: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 2:14 pm Subject: Commander-List: P-366-D Aux Hyd pump All, ? Looking for overhauled P-366-D aux hyd (5606 fluid) pump or source for doing overhaul??? ? Thanks, Ken Hyde N47AC ? Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 15, 2007
Hi Jorge The link changed as we try to remove all spaces from the URLs http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/N461JB/ Will you be at the fly-in? I hope to make it this year. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Paint schemes In a message dated 8/26/2006 3:47:28 PM Mountain Standard Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/Aero%20Commanders/N461JB/ IT IS SUCH A PLEASURE TO SEE N461JB ON THIS SITE.... THE PAINT SCHEME OF WHITE...BLUE AND GOLD TRIM IS A UTOPIA... I JUST FINISHED BUFFING EVERY BIT OF IT AS N261JG GREETING JORGE GONZALEZ SANDIA AIRPARK NORTH..(COMING SOON) 320 DAYS OF NO... IFR SANDIA AIRPARK.COM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Absolutely Beautiful! who did the paint work and what is the paint? Ken Hyde N47AC ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Commanderland; I have just a curious question on this subject. Are there any identical airframes with the same engines only one is 'bathtub' and the other is 'streamlined'. I wonder with the same engines what the difference in cruise speeds would be between the different 'engine pods'. Anyone have any information better than a WAG or SWAG on this subject? The frontal area does not look that much larger, although the cowling does curve around a larger area. Just curious. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders? > > > The short answer is no, in particular to an STC. > > The correct terminology is bathtub comander as opposed to fat cowled or > Pensui which is hinese for fat jowls. > > I suspect you could do a lot inside the cowl (where it can't be seen with > a bit of sheet aluminum and fiberglass. > > Thaere ain't enough of them to make an STC economically feasible. > > Best speed mod available is the flap gap seal. > > -------- > Milt > 2003 F1 Rocket > 2006 Radial Rocket > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123899#123899 > > > -- > 2:21 PM > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
In a message dated 16-Jul-07 08:52:08 Pacific Daylight Time, dongirod(at)bellsouth.net writes: Are there any identical airframes with the same engines only one is 'bathtub' and the other is 'streamlined'. Don, Sir Barry will most certainly have any information on experimental mods at the factory. The bathtub nacelles are all associated with geared engines with three exceptions. The AC-500 was a transition/trainer model with direct dirive Lycomings. The 680-F series does have the Speedline nacelles but with the Lycoming IGSO-540 engine. The 685 has flat nacelles (can we call those "Speedline?") with Continental GTSIO-520 engines. If one was really bored and had just too damn much money, I'd suggest they study the nacelle design of the Orenda conversion on the AC-685. That's probably the best way to streamline the bathtubs -- and most of the trail has been blazed. Photo courtesey of _http://www.mrrpm.com/_ (http://www.mrrpm.com/) Go take a look at what Mr. RPM is offering! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
Date: Jul 16, 2007
I think the cowl size is dictated more by the style of main landing gear than by the engine. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124156#124156 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Thanks Nico for the info.. As you may know I changed the N# to N261JG.... The fly-in is not on the schedule yet, I need to get Tylor Hall to convince me... I had to remove the Bendix fuel Injector Servo from L/E and have it O/H now at a shop. Soon as I get some aerial photos will send them over. Jorge ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Subject: Re: Speed Mod for fat cowl Commanders?
In a message dated 16-Jul-07 13:45:57 Pacific Daylight Time, airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com writes: I think the cowl size is dictated more by the style of main landing gear than by the engine. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket You know, that's a really good point. The front end may be available for closing in and using NACA scoops for cooling flow (ala Orenda) but it's gonna be a bulbous nacelle no matter what, isn't it? Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Interior
From: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Heys Guys, Looking for New Leather interior to replace the old interior, anyone have recommendations as to how they did theirs and what if anything you may have done differently? Thanks guys! Brent - N224HA[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124214#124214 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: P-366-D Aux Hyd pump
From: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 16, 2007
KEN. I had mine done at Quality A/C Accessories Tulsa 877-833-6948 I recommend them also Brent - N224HA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124218#124218 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 16, 2007
Jorge, I can make you an offer you can't refuse. I can also send up Nunzio and Guido to make the offer. It just would not look right to show up a TCFG in a C-182. My wife wants to came as well. I have a customer at a near by airport in need to see. It would be fun. What kind convincing do you need? Get the airplane fixed. Tylor Hall On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:52 PM, AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com wrote: > Thanks Nico for the info.. > > As you may know I changed the N# to N261JG.... The fly-in is not > on the schedule yet, I need to get Tylor Hall to convince me... I > had to remove the Bendix fuel Injector Servo from L/E and have it O/ > H now at a shop. > > Soon as I get some aerial photos will send them over. > > Jorge > > > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 16, 2007
That'll be great Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Paint schemes Thanks Nico for the info.. As you may know I changed the N# to N261JG.... The fly-in is not on the schedule yet, I need to get Tylor Hall to convince me... I had to remove the Bendix fuel Injector Servo from L/E and have it O/H now at a shop. Soon as I get some aerial photos will send them over. Jorge _____ Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: New Interior
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Brent, Do you plan on sewing this up yourself or will you have a shop do it? If you do it yourself Mayfield has some really good skins at a fairly reasonable price, and they are good to deal with. Moe N680RR -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skyhawkc-172 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: Commander-List: New Interior Heys Guys, Looking for New Leather interior to replace the old interior, anyone have recommendations as to how they did theirs and what if anything you may have done differently? Thanks guys! Brent - N224HA[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124214#124214 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Hi Tylor: For sure I have to convince my other half.... when is the fly-in and what is the airport ID? How long does it usually last? JG ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Hi JG, The Fly-In is at Fredericksburg, Texas this year, from 20th to 23rd September. Fredericksburg is Gillespie County Airport (T82) and we'll be using the Hangar Hotel, which is right on the ramp (www.hangarhotel.com) I'm fairly sure there will be a ladies shopping day somewhere on the itinerary, so "her indoors" shouldn't need too much convincing! I haven't missed a single TCFG Fly-In yet and I travel from the UK. And, there's nearly always two or three who manage the trip from Australia. If that doesn't tell you that you should be there .......... Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Paint schemes Hi Tylor: For sure I have to convince my other half.... when is the fly-in and what is the airport ID? How long does it usually last? JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: FLY-IN - Fredericksburg, Texas, 20-23 September 2007
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Hi All, Just a repeat of my last message, now with a Subject header that is more suitable! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Paint schemes Hi JG, The Fly-In is at Fredericksburg, Texas this year, from 20th to 23rd September. Fredericksburg is Gillespie County Airport (T82) and we'll be using the Hangar Hotel, which is right on the ramp (www.hangarhotel.com) I'm fairly sure there will be a ladies shopping day somewhere on the itinerary, so "her indoors" shouldn't need too much convincing! I haven't missed a single TCFG Fly-In yet and I travel from the UK. And, there's nearly always two or three who manage the trip from Australia. If that doesn't tell you that you should be there .......... Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: AEROCOMAND(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Paint schemes Hi Tylor: For sure I have to convince my other half.... when is the fly-in and what is the airport ID? How long does it usually last? JG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Interior
From: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 17, 2007
Thanks for the info, no I don't think we'll do any of the work ourselfes. Brent - N224HA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124444#124444 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: New Interior
Date: Jul 18, 2007
fullers upolstry wataga, tx. > Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Interior> From: Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:32:20 -0700> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com> t.net>> > Thanks for the info, no I don't think we'll do any of the work ou rselfes.> > Brent - N224HA> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http:// ============> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 18, 2007
Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 18, 2007
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance ? Folks,? ? Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt?? ? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated.? ? Steve ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 18, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets!=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloud craft(at)aol.com>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 1 8, 2007 9:13:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0A Steve,=0A=0AWhen I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sh eet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purpo ses.=0A=0AIt is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do si mple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there.=0A=0A I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0A=0AWing Commander Gordon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-l ist(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm=0ASubject: Commander-Lis Col-East" =0A =0AFolks, =0A =0ABefore I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadshee t I can adapt? =0A =0AIf not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scena =========================0A =0A=0A =0A___________________________________________________________ _________________________=0AGot a little couch potato? =0ACheck out fun sum mer activities for kids.=0Ahttp://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail& p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 19, 2007
I don't know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve _____ Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: cloudcraft(at)aol.com
Donnie, Steve, All, I'll be uploading a rather clumsy Word.doc with a bunch of too-high density .bmp images embedded.?? I made these back in 1995 and my equipment (brains and computer gear) was not used as efficiently as it could have been. Still, they'll be fairly universal across platforms and will be easy to edit/customize. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 8:58 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! ? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ? ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance ? Folks,? ? Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt?? ? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated.? ? Steve ? ? ? Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 19, 2007
David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don't know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Join our Network Research Panel today! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: New Interior
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Mason, Thanxs, we'll check em out. Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> fullers upolstry wataga, tx. > Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Interior > From: Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:32:20 -0700 > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > Thanks for the info, no I don't think we'll do any of the work ourselfes. > > Brent - N224HA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124444#124444 > > > > > > > >
Mason,

Thanxs, we'll check em out.

Brent - N224HA

fullers upolstry wataga, tx.

> Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Interior > From: Skyhawkc-172@comcast.net > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:32:20 -0700 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > --> Commander-List message posted by: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172@comcast.net> > > Thanks for the info, no I don't think we'll do any of the work ourselfes. > > Brent - N224HA > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124444#124444 > > > > > = > > > <PRE>

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Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment.=0AThanks, =0AN69PT=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Me ssage ----=0AFrom: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-li st(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0ADavid,=0A =0AThe attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the grap hics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it.......=0A =0AI look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here.=0A =0AThanks guys,=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFro m: David Fitzgerald =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0A=0AI don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one=0A =0AC heers=0A =0A =0A =0ADr David Fitzgerald=0ABMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM Di pAvMed(Otago)=0ACASA Medical Officer=0ADesignated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair=0AZinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Me dical Officer=0ARegistrar in Occupational Medicine=0ADavidFitzgerald@bigpon d.com=0Amob 0438 312973=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server@matron ics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don nie Rose=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM=0ATo: commander-list@matro nics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AWCG, I lok f wd to seeing the sheets!=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>=0AT o: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM =0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0ASteve,=0A=0AWhen I was a t Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & B alance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.=0A=0AIt is not a sp read sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- a nd have the C.G. envelope tables right there.=0A=0AI'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0A=0AWi ng Commander Gordon=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Steve at C ol-East =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A--> Comma nder-List message posted by: "Steve at Col-East" =0A =0A Folks, =0A =0ABefore I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 se ries, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? =0A =0AIf not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the e nd results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. =0A =0ASteve =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AJoin our Network Research Panel today!=0A =0A =0A =============0A=0A=0A =0A____________________ ________________________________________________________________Ready for t he edge of your seat? =0ACheck out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. =0Ahtt p://tv.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Join our Network Research Panel today! vigator?Commander-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.============ = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Yes Steve, I would like a tweaked copy, my metric is a little rusty!=0A =0A Donnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFr om: Steve at Col-East =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10:16 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0ADonnie,=0A =0AThat spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I 'll send it along.....=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Donnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0AHey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment.=0AThanks,=0AN69 PT=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM=0ASubject: Re: Comman der-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0ADavid,=0A =0AThe attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics o n my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it.......=0A =0AI lo ok forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. =0A =0AThanks guys,=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Dav id Fitzgerald =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 1 9, 2007 12:04 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0AI don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one=0A =0ACheers=0A =0A =0A =0ADr David Fitzgerald=0ABMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(O tago)=0ACASA Medical Officer=0ADesignated Aviation Medical Examiner and Com mercial Pilot, Tasair=0AZinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Of ficer=0ARegistrar in Occupational Medicine=0ADavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com=0A mob 0438 312973=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AWCG, I lok fwd to se eing the sheets!=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>=0ATo: comma nder-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM=0ASubje ct: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0ASteve,=0A=0AWhen I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.=0A=0AIt is not a spread she et but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there.=0A=0AI'm on a trip for a few days; wh en I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0A=0AWing Comma nder Gordon=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Steve at Col-East =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2 007 1:24 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A--> Commander-Lis t message posted by: "Steve at Col-East" =0A =0AFolks, =0A =0ABefore I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, o r Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? =0A =0AIf not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end resu lts with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. =0A =0ASteve =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AJoin our Network Research Panel today!=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0Avigator?Commander-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow> http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http ://forums.matronics.===============0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!' s user panel and lay it on us. =0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List =0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A ======0A=0A=0A _____________________________________________ _______________________________________=0AShape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/y ahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 =0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Hi Gang, I have a slide of a NASA Commander taken in December 1968, at "LAT" airport. This doesn't seem to be a current code. My memory is saying Los Angeles Air Terminal, but that source of data just cannot be relied upon. Any 'old -timers' out there who can help? Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Hi Gang, Ah! Memory recall - a rare event nowadays ;-0 I think "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal, at Burbank. If I'm wrong, no doubt somebody well let me know. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Collman To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT Hi Gang, I have a slide of a NASA Commander taken in December 1968, at "LAT" airport. This doesn't seem to be a current code. My memory is saying Los Angeles Air Terminal, but that source of data just cannot be relied upon. Any 'old -timers' out there who can help? Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 19, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 500B
Gentlemen, I am in desperate immediate need for two door handles for my 500 B. The part number is 5330009. If anyone has them I would greatly appreciat e a timely response.=0ABest Regards,=0AN69PT=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8 444=0A=0A=0A =0A_____________________________________________________ _______________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? =0ACheck ou t tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. =0Ahttp://tv.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 19, 2007
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:04:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Gang, I have a slide of a NASA Commander taken in December 1968, at "LAT" airport. This doesn't seem to be a current code. My memory is saying Los Angeles Air Terminal, but that source of data just cannot be relied upon. Any 'old -timers' out there who can help? Very Best Regards, Barry How About Lockheed Air Terminal? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Hi Bob, Yep! That's what I finally deduced too! ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT In a message dated 7/19/2007 1:04:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Gang, I have a slide of a NASA Commander taken in December 1968, at "LAT" airport. This doesn't seem to be a current code. My memory is saying Los Angeles Air Terminal, but that source of data just cannot be relied upon. Any 'old -timers' out there who can help? Very Best Regards, Barry How About Lockheed Air Terminal? Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8503 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: 500B
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Does the Aero-Star also have the same handles as the Commanders ? Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Gentlemen, I am in desperate immediate need for two door handles for my 500B. The part number is 5330009. If anyone has them I would greatly appreciate a timely response. Best Regards, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
Does the Aero-Star also have the same handles as the Commanders ?

Brent - N224HA

Gentlemen, I am in desperate immediate need for two door handles for my 500B. The part number is 5330009. If anyone has them I would greatly appreciate a timely response.

Best Regards,

N69PT

Donnie Rose
205/492-8444

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

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Subject: Re: New Interior
From: "dphifer" <dave@phifer-sys.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Brent: I used Boyd Interiors of Mena, AR (contact info below) and thought they did a very nice job. Not only that, they worked with me on several custom features and truly took pride in their work. I'll try to post some pictures here, but if that doesn't work (and your interested) you can email me at dave(at)phifersysytems.com All the best, -Dave --------------------------- Boyd Interiors 104 Airport lane Mena, Arkansas 71953 Office: 479-243-0151 Fax: 479-243-0355 Cell: 479-234-0223 boydinteriors(at)yahoo.com -------- All the best, -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124929#124929 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_rear_bench_1_478.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_copilot_armrest_455.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_forward_look_head_liner_163.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_inside_by_door_914.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: New Interior
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Dave, Great! hope your pics make it. If they don't my email is skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net Thanks Brent - N224HA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "dphifer" <dave@phifer-sys.com> > > Brent: > > I used Boyd Interiors of Mena, AR (contact info below) and thought they did a > very nice job. Not only that, they worked with me on several custom features > and truly took pride in their work. > > I'll try to post some pictures here, but if that doesn't work (and your > interested) you can email me at dave(at)phifersysytems.com > > All the best, > > -Dave > > --------------------------- > > Boyd Interiors > 104 Airport lane > Mena, Arkansas 71953 > Office: 479-243-0151 > Fax: 479-243-0355 > Cell: 479-234-0223 > boydinteriors(at)yahoo.com > > -------- > All the best, > > -Dave > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124929#124929 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_rear_bench_1_478.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_copilot_armrest_455.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_forward_look_head_liner_163.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_inside_by_door_914.jpg > > > > > > >

Dave,

Great! hope your pics make it. If they don't my email is skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net

Thanks

Brent - N224HA

dave@phifer-sys.com>

> --> Commander-List message posted by: "dphifer" <DAVE@PHIFER-SYS.COM>
>
> Brent:
>
> I used Boyd Interiors of Mena, AR (contact info below) and thought they did a
> very nice job. Not only that, they worked with me on several custom features
> and truly took pride in their work.
>
> I'll try to post some pictures here, but if that doesn't work (and your
> interested) you can email me at dave(at)phifersysytems.com
>
> All the best,
>
> -Dave
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Boyd Interiors
> 104 Airport lane
> Mena, Arkansas 71953
> Office: 479-243-0151
> Fax: 479-243-0355
> Cell: 479-234-0223
> boydinteriors(at)yahoo.com
&g t;
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Subject: Re: Paint schemes
From: "dphifer" <dave@phifer-sys.com>
Date: Jul 20, 2007
I haven't posted much at all on this site, but hope to meet many of you in the future as I a relatively new Commander owner. I've spent the last year getting my 500B in shape. The attached pictures show the new paint scheme of N801DP. It was painted at Crider Aircraft Painting in Mena, AR. I was very pleased with their work and enjoyed doing the project with them. -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124931#124931 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5b_approach_2_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_taxi_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bank_right_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/801dp_kc_2_144.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
In a message dated 19-Jul-07 12:09:44 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: I think "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal, at Burbank. If I'm wrong, no doubt somebody well let me know. Sir Barry, Can you scan the photo and upload it? I bet one or two of us would actually recognize the field! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Dave- Very nice looking airplane! Robert Randazzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dphifer Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Paint schemes I haven't posted much at all on this site, but hope to meet many of you in the future as I a relatively new Commander owner. I've spent the last year getting my 500B in shape. The attached pictures show the new paint scheme of N801DP. It was painted at Crider Aircraft Painting in Mena, AR. I was very pleased with their work and enjoyed doing the project with them. -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124931#124931 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5b_approach_2_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_taxi_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bank_right_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/801dp_kc_2_144.jpg __________ NOD32 2409 (20070720) Information __________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 20, 2007
This is just soooo damn sexy... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dphifer Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Paint schemes I haven't posted much at all on this site, but hope to meet many of you in the future as I a relatively new Commander owner. I've spent the last year getting my 500B in shape. The attached pictures show the new paint scheme of N801DP. It was painted at Crider Aircraft Painting in Mena, AR. I was very pleased with their work and enjoyed doing the project with them. -Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=124931#124931 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5b_approach_2_193.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/8_taxi_203.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_bank_right_119.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/801dp_kc_2_144.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Hi Keith, I've attached a scan of the color slide in question. As you'll see, there isn't much to go on in the way detail in the background. I'm sure though now that "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal and this had its name changed in 1975, to "Burbank Glendale-Pasadena Airport". Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT In a message dated 19-Jul-07 12:09:44 Pacific Daylight Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: I think "LAT" is Lockheed Air Terminal, at Burbank. If I'm wrong, no doubt somebody well let me know. Sir Barry, Can you scan the photo and upload it? I bet one or two of us would actually recognize the field! Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Was it Old Bob, Ancient Aviator, that called it Lockheed Air Terminal? I grew up down there. From the ridge line and the small hill to the right of the tail, the vegetation (lack of) and smog layer, I'd say it looks like the area for sure. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: Re: 500B
In a message dated 19-Jul-07 17:20:11 Pacific Daylight Time, skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net writes: Does the Aero-Star also have the same handles as the Commanders ? Yes, at least on the outside. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Dave, I am a new 680 owner and also looking forward to meeting other commander owners. I also need a paint job. Not trying to be personel but what price range was your pain job / Thanks Gil ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Not to mention the smog! Looks like Burbank to me. Moe N680RR _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT Was it Old Bob, Ancient Aviator, that called it Lockheed Air Terminal? I grew up down there. From the ridge line and the small hill to the right of the tail, the vegetation (lack of) and smog layer, I'd say it looks like the area for sure. Wing Commander Gordon _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Date: Jul 20, 2007
g, quote on my 680Fp @ texas aerocolor is $15,000. mason From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.comDate: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:45:19 -0400Subject: Re: C ommander-List: Re: Paint schemesTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com Dave, I am a new 680 owner and also looking forward to meeting other comman der owners. I also need a paint job. Not trying to be personel but what pri ce range was your pain job / Thanks Gil Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 20, 2007
From: Dave Phifer <dave@phifer-sys.com>
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
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From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Not in answer to your LAT question, but at least some trivia about the Lockheed Airport(s) beginnings... go to http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Airfields_CA_SanFernan.htm#lockheedb1 to view these "ghost-airfields" of the day... very cool. David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 20, 2007
"The Lockheed factory airstrip was in use until about 1941, when the P-38 came out. The P-38s were towed down Empire Street in the middle of the night to the newly acquired Burbank (Union) Air Terminal, which was renamed 'Lockheed Air Terminal'". David Owens Aerial Viewpoint N14AV AC-500A-Colemill ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: AC680E Weight & Balance Form
OK, Lads, Here's the first of a few of the Weight & Balance forms I created for Inter Island Air (a FAR 135 operation in Pago Pago). Not sophisicated like Dr David Fitzgerald's automated forms, but intended to meet the FARs that require a hard copy of pax manifest and W&B to be left at point of departure. They were a 2 part NCR form when produced. Operating as an air carrier is all about paper work and little to do with flying an airplane ... Anway, the top row needs to be filled out with your empty weight / arm / moment. >From there, you add weights, subtotal, find C.G. As you work the form, you can see your C.G. shift with pax loading (running forward, fast!) and then you can see the C.G. pull aft with cargo and fuel. I will upload an example form. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: Sample AC680E W&B form
Here is an example of how this form was used; it should give you an idea of how the form operates. It represents a fairly typical flight I would do between Samoan islands in the AC-680E. Wing Commander Gordon. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: AC-680-FL W&B form
OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Balance work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: AC-680-FL W&B form
Date: Jul 20, 2007
kg, how about a 680Fp? mason From: CloudCraft(at)aol.comDate: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:12:03 -0400Subject: Comma nder-List: AC-680-FL W&B formTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Bala nce work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
Date: Jul 20, 2007
When I had my 560E painted a couple of years ago, it started out at 12K but by the time I had the skin joints sealed then a few leading edge dints filled etc, it was $ 15K, and that was a couple years ago, they did a nice job, stripped and treated the skin. In Griffin, GA. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form kg, how about a 680Fp? mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:12:03 -0400 Subject: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form To: commander-list(at)matronics.com OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Balance work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 7/19/2007 6:10 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Airport Code: LAT
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Hi Guys! Thanks! Lockheed Air Terminal (later Burbank) it is then ;-) Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Airport Code: LAT Was it Old Bob, Ancient Aviator, that called it Lockheed Air Terminal? I grew up down there. From the ridge line and the small hill to the right of the tail, the vegetation (lack of) and smog layer, I'd say it looks like the area for sure. Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
In a message dated 20-Jul-07 12:42:49 Pacific Daylight Time, kamala(at)MSN.COM writes: kg, how about a 680Fp? mason Mason, Sadly, I never built one for the AC-680-F(P). There are just too few of you guys! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
Date: Jul 20, 2007
This is good information. If Dr. David doesn't mind, after I'm finished I can post a spreadsheet that could probably be easily adapted to any of the Commanders. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form In a message dated 20-Jul-07 12:42:49 Pacific Daylight Time, kamala(at)MSN.COM writes: kg, how about a 680Fp? mason Mason, Sadly, I never built one for the AC-680-F(P). There are just too few of you guys! Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Aero Commander 500 shot down
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Hi Guys, While browsing the Internet recently, I found that the website: http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_167.shtml is reporting that an "Aerocommander 500" was shot down while drug-running on April 14th 2003 by a Honduran AT-27, which is a light attack version of the Embraer EMB312 Tucano. Does anyone know anything more? Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form
Gentlemen, I have to apologize. I've been rummaging around looking for the 12 year old disc with the AC-500 series Weight & Balance work sheet. I cannot find it. My hope was to upload this document so anyone who wanted to, could jigger it to fit their own needs. But as my Third Grade teacher used to say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." In its stead, I offer up a scan of the last hard copy I have of this form. The Weight/Moment table is microscopic and difficult to read. I'm sorry. My eyes were better suited to this size print in 1995. So there you have it. Do what you will with it. By the way, these were part of the hand-outs I'd give after my lesson on Commander Weight & Balance, as the tidal wave of avionics retrofits were happening in the early 1990s. The heavy tube fired radios that the airplane was balanced upon (on racks just aft of the rear baggage bulkhead) were being yanked out and panel mount gizmos were going in -- to the detriment of the Commander's balance. I was on a campaign to get weights hung on the tail stringers to pull the C.G. back to where it should be. Gary Gadberry announced at an early TCFG Fly-In that we would do that with his mods from then on. As more and more avionics migrate to the front, please keep in mind what that will do to your typical pilot & 1 passenger, low fuel, no cargo, C.G. Ted Smith designs are the only piston twins (that I'm aware of) that have C.G. move forward with fuel burn. This is to your advantage, but you don't want too much of a good thing! Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 2:32 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC-500 A/B/U/S W&B form Gentlemen, I have to apologize. I've been rummaging around looking for the 12 year old disc with the AC-500 series Weight & Balance work sheet. I cannot find it. My hope was to upload this document so anyone who wanted to, could jigger it to fit their own needs. But as my Third Grade teacher used to say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." In its stead, I offer up a scan of the last hard copy I have of this form. The Weight/Moment table is microscopic and difficult to read. I'm sorry. My eyes were better suited to this size print in 1995. So there you have it. Do what you will with it. By the way, these were part of the hand-outs I'd give after my lesson on Commander Weight & Balance, as the tidal wave of avionics retrofits were happening in the early 1990s. The heavy tube fired radios that the airplane was balanced upon (on racks just aft of the rear baggage bulkhead) were being yanked out and panel mount gizmos were going in -- to the detriment of the Commander's balance. I was on a campaign to get weights hung on the tail stringers to pull the C.G. back to where it should be. Gary Gadberry announced at an early TCFG Fly-In that we would do that with his mods from then on. As more and more avionics migrate to the front, please keep in mind what that will do to your typical pilot & 1 passenger, low fuel, no cargo, C.G. Ted Smith designs are the only piston twins (that I'm aware of) that have C.G. move forward with fuel burn. This is to your advantage, but you don't want too much of a good thing! Wing Commander Gordon _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: New Interior
From: "Skyhawkc-172" <Skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net>
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Dave, one of the nicest interiors I've seen. thanks for the pics, looks like an A1 quality job. Brent - N224HA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125038#125038 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Subject: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? _http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls_ (http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls) Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
Date: Jul 20, 2007
I must plead innocence here. This was uploaded some years ago by someone whose name I cannot remember. I believe it's for the 500 series but should be easily adaptable to any other model if the constants and formulas are adjusted. Anyone remember who put this together? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CloudCraft(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs.xls Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon _____ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com <http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000982> . ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
Date: Jul 20, 2007
Nice sheet. I can maybe roll that into a W&B so data is entered only once. Most (?) PDA's should run spreadsheets. I think? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs. xls Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
Date: Jul 20, 2007
I know there is a spreadsheet version for Palm that allows one to work with Excel spreadsheets. I have a pretty old Palm and looked at buying the software at one time, but decided to get a notebook instead. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve @ Col-East To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet Nice sheet. I can maybe roll that into a W&B so data is entered only once. Most (?) PDA's should run spreadsheets. I think? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Commander-List: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet In a message dated 20-Jul-07 15:49:21 Pacific Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Is this useful? http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/ACPerfCalcs. xls Nico, What a delightful gizmo! Tell us, what is it based on -- you don't mention a model, or, if you did, I didn't see it. Did you take the tabular data from the P.O.H. and extrapolate it? For the hopelessly geeky, will it run on a PDA? Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 21, 2007
Subject: Re: Paint schemes
Dave, Thanks. Gil ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: T.O.L.D. Spreadsheet
From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2007
The spread sheet above is for the 685 Commander specifically N414C. I developed it using a modified linear regression. If you have ever read a 685 manual you understand that it would take a team of mathemeticians 5 years in comfortable chairs sitting around a table to determine landing and TO distance for a 685 based on Temp press and gross weight. The same method can be used for developing a spread sheet for any plane. In Cessnas and Pipers you can use straight linear regression models. y=(mx)+b If you select the cells you can see the formulas for calculated values. The spreadsheet will calculate thee numbers quickly and is usually within 5% of the numbers derived using the POH except at the extreme high and low ends of temp where you have no business flying anyway. Bear in mind numbers don't mean sh*t if you do not fly the plane correctly. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125082#125082 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Sample AC680E W&B form
From: "N395V" <airboss(at)excaliburaviation.com>
Date: Jul 21, 2007
Attached is a W&B spreadsheet for my current plane. You can modify it for any plane by just changing the titles, arm and weights or adding in items as needed. The principle is the same for all aircraft. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=125083#125083 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n91tx_weight_and_balance_calc_640.xls ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: AC-680-FL W&B form
Date: Jul 22, 2007
I would like to see it. Tom... ----- Original Message ----- From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Commander-List: AC-680-FL W&B form OK. The email server just told me my upload of the AC-680-FL Weight & Balance work form is too large and was rejected. If you operate an -FL or FL(P) and want this form, email me and I'll upload to you direclty. Still looking for the AC-500 series forms. Wing Commander Gordon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Well I goofed around a little with Excel and came up with a simplified W&B spreadsheet based off the original from David. Give it a test run and see if it works. I did find that with our Commander, there are loading scenarios that have us go too far forward in C.G with small quantities of fuel just like Cmd Gordon said. I'll have to stop poking fun at our cameraman's weight, because we apparently need the ballast. I did a couple test runs with generic values of a Commander that doesn't have 300 pounds of gear in the middle row, and it is harder to get a 500 out of sorts. The sheet is generic enough to where it should be easily modified to fit many models. The sheet is 'Protected' so the fumble-fingered among us can't hurt it, but there is no password so anyone can modify the cells. Just go up to Tools, Protection, to protect and unprotect sheet. So enter you empty weight and C.G. in blue once. Then just modify yellow cells. It should print out nice also...... For the spreadsheet challenged, I could enter stuff for you, but really, it's easy. If you haven't messed with these things before, try it. They're neat..... I'm just scratching the surface, so if any of you fellows are better, go ahead and make this a better thing...... Hope the attachment makes it. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Yes Steve, I would like a tweaked copy, my metric is a little rusty! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10:16 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? 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Subject: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Hi Gang, The TCFG Flyin and Convention is less than two months away and we can't wait to see all of you again.? Hope you are all making plans to attend.? The Hangar Hotel at the Gillespie County Airport (T82) in Fredericksburg, Texas will be the site of this year's event.? Fredericksburg is one of the most popular destinations in Texas and is located in the very heart of the beautiful Texas Hill country with a blend of German heritage and Texas hospitality.? Adjoining the airport is the beautiful Lady Bird Johnson Park with several water features, nature trails, picnic spots and all types of sporting facilities.? The park is also home to an eighteen-hole championship golf course.? You can board carts at the Hangar Hotel and be at the course within a few minutes.? ?Some of the local sites of interest (just to name a few) include the National Museum of the Pacific War, the Nimitz museum, and numerous art galleries.? ? The airport is located only 2 miles from historic Main Street which is host to unique shops and restaurants.? Many of the buildings are representative of a German/bavarian village.? ? Fredericksburg is located 1 hour and 15 minutes east of Austin and 1 hour south of San Antonio.? There is so much to do and see in this area of Texas that you will want to come early or stay after the Fly-In to go exploring.? A great program is being finalized including a visit to San Antonio being arranged by our own Buddy Windham, ?a Fly-out and/or field trip, ladies shopping excursion and a good line-up of speakers.?? The cost will be $150 for members and $200 for non-members.? Registration packes will be sent this week to current TCFG members.? If you are not a current member, let us know and we would be happy to send you the information.? CAR RENTAL INFORMATION:? The Motor Pool Auto Group serves the Gillespie County Airport and they have a small fleet of cars.? Please call 866-990-0562 to reserve.? If you are arriving after 6:00pm arrangements can be made to pick up your car at the Hangar Hotel.? Enterprise Rental Car provides rental cars to the airport if the Motor Pool does not have any available.? Call 830-997-1745 to reserve.? ? ? HOTEL RESERVATIONS The Hangar Hotel is a very unique and fun hotel located right on the airport (www.hangarhotel.com) ?A block of rooms has been reserved for this event at the following rates (taxes not included):? ? ??????????? Thursday Night???????????????????????? $ 99 ??????????? Friday-Saturday Nights????????????? $145 ? When making reservations let them know that you are with the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG), group confirmation #L259010.? In order to receive this rate rooms must be booked no later than August 20th.? After that the rooms will be released for general booking at regular rates.? Book ASAP as rooms will go fast.? ? Other hotels in the area include: ? Cotton Gin Lodging??????????????????????????????? 830-990-5734 (provides free shuttle to airport) Best Western??????????????????????????????????????? 830-992-2929 Super 8???????????????????????????????????????????????? 830-997-6568 Sunday House Inn???????????????????????????????? 830-997-4484 COME JOIN US.? YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH WONDERFUL AND FUN COMMANDER ENTHUSIASTS!!? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Additional Fly-In Information
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
By the way, the phone number for the Hangar Hotel to make reservations is *830)997-9990.? Be sure to book early! jb ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Subject: Re: Commander multiengine examiner
i need to get an faa examiner or designee who is qualified to give check rides in a 500 commander. i live in south florida. anyone know of anyone so qualified? thanks, al hoffman ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander multiengine examiner
Hi Al, the way I recvd mine was by letter of temporary permission from the local FSDO authorizing my (specific) designated examiner.=0AN69PT=0A =0ADon nie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "alh1(at)juno.com" =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:30:57 PM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Re: Commander no.com" =0A=0Ai need to get an faa examiner or designee who is qualified to give=0Acheck rides in a 500 commander. i live in south flo rida. anyone know=0Aof anyone so qualified? thanks, al hoffman=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________________________________________________ =0ASave hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access.=0APlans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today!=0Ahttp://track.juno.com/s/lc?u ========================0A=0A =0A =0A______________________________________________________________ ahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander multiengine examiner
Date: Jul 23, 2007
Al, Just mail me your log book and 50 dollar bill and I take care of it. Bilbo :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of alh1(at)juno.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander multiengine examiner i need to get an faa examiner or designee who is qualified to give check rides in a 500 commander. i live in south florida. anyone know of anyone so qualified? thanks, al hoffman ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention
Date: Jul 23, 2007
jm, booked over a month ago, looking forward to it. if I can be of any help let me know. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com<mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention Hi Gang, The TCFG Flyin and Convention is less than two months away and we can't wait to see all of you again. Hope you are all making plans to attend. The Hangar Hotel at the Gillespie County Airport (T82) in Fredericksburg, Texas will be the site of this year's event. Fredericksburg is one of the most popular destinations in Texas and is located in the very heart of the beautiful Texas Hill country with a blend of German heritage and Texas hospitality. Adjoining the airport is the beautiful Lady Bird Johnson Park with several water features, nature trails, picnic spots and all types of sporting facilities. The park is also home to an eighteen-hole championship golf course. You can board carts at the Hangar Hotel and be at the course within a few minutes. Some of the local sites of interest (just to name a few) include the National Museum of the Pacific War, the Nimitz museum, and numerous art galleries. The airport is located only 2 miles from historic Main Street which is host to unique shops and restaurants. Many of the buildings are representative of a German/bavarian village. Fredericksburg is located 1 hour and 15 minutes east of Austin and 1 hour south of San Antonio. There is so much to do and see in this area of Texas that you will want to come early or stay after the Fly-In to go exploring. A great program is being finalized including a visit to San Antonio being arranged by our own Buddy Windham, a Fly-out and/or field trip, ladies shopping excursion and a good line-up of speakers. The cost will be $150 for members and $200 for non-members. Registration packes will be sent this week to current TCFG members. If you are not a current member, let us know and we would be happy to send you the information. CAR RENTAL INFORMATION: The Motor Pool Auto Group serves the Gillespie County Airport and they have a small fleet of cars. Please call 866-990-0562 to reserve. If you are arriving after 6:00pm arrangements can be made to pick up your car at the Hangar Hotel. Enterprise Rental Car provides rental cars to the airport if the Motor Pool does not have any available. Call 830-997-1745 to reserve. HOTEL RESERVATIONS The Hangar Hotel is a very unique and fun hotel located right on the airport (www.hangarhotel.com<http://www.hangarhotel.com/>) A block of rooms has been reserved for this event at the following rates (taxes not included): Thursday Night $ 99 Friday-Saturday Nights $145 When making reservations let them know that you are with the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG), group confirmation #L259010. In order to receive this rate rooms must be booked no later than August 20th. After that the rooms will be released for general booking at regular rates. Book ASAP as rooms will go fast. Other hotels in the area include: Cotton Gin Lodging 830-990-5734 (provides free shuttle to airport) Best Western 830-992-2929 Super 8 830-997-6568 Sunday House Inn 830-997-4484 COME JOIN US. YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH WONDERFUL AND FUN COMMANDER ENTHUSIASTS!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List m/Navigator?Commander-List> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention
Date: Jul 23, 2007
I know I am getting blind but I can't see an actual date of the event in the body of this message. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention jm, booked over a month ago, looking forward to it. if I can be of any help let me know. mason ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention Hi Gang, The TCFG Flyin and Convention is less than two months away and we can't wait to see all of you again. Hope you are all making plans to attend. The Hangar Hotel at the Gillespie County Airport (T82) in Fredericksburg, Texas will be the site of this year's event. Fredericksburg is one of the most popular destinations in Texas and is located in the very heart of the beautiful Texas Hill country with a blend of German heritage and Texas hospitality. Adjoining the airport is the beautiful Lady Bird Johnson Park with several water features, nature trails, picnic spots and all types of sporting facilities. The park is also home to an eighteen-hole championship golf course. You can board carts at the Hangar Hotel and be at the course within a few minutes. Some of the local sites of interest (just to name a few) include the National Museum of the Pacific War, the Nimitz museum, and numerous art galleries. The airport is located only 2 miles from historic Main Street which is host to unique shops and restaurants. Many of the buildings are representative of a German/bavarian village. Fredericksburg is located 1 hour and 15 minutes east of Austin and 1 hour south of San Antonio. There is so much to do and see in this area of Texas that you will want to come early or stay after the Fly-In to go exploring. A great program is being finalized including a visit to San Antonio being arranged by our own Buddy Windham, a Fly-out and/or field trip, ladies shopping excursion and a good line-up of speakers. The cost will be $150 for members and $200 for non-members. Registration packes will be sent this week to current TCFG members. If you are not a current member, let us know and we would be happy to send you the information. CAR RENTAL INFORMATION: The Motor Pool Auto Group serves the Gillespie County Airport and they have a small fleet of cars. Please call 866-990-0562 to reserve. If you are arriving after 6:00pm arrangements can be made to pick up your car at the Hangar Hotel. Enterprise Rental Car provides rental cars to the airport if the Motor Pool does not have any available. Call 830-997-1745 to reserve. HOTEL RESERVATIONS The Hangar Hotel is a very unique and fun hotel located right on the airport (www.hangarhotel.com) A block of rooms has been reserved for this event at the following rates (taxes not included): Thursday Night $ 99 Friday-Saturday Nights $145 When making reservations let them know that you are with the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG), group confirmation #L259010. In order to receive this rate rooms must be booked no later than August 20th. After that the rooms will be released for general booking at regular rates. Book ASAP as rooms will go fast. Other hotels in the area include: Cotton Gin Lodging 830-990-5734 (provides free shuttle to airport) Best Western 830-992-2929 Super 8 830-997-6568 Sunday House Inn 830-997-4484 COME JOIN US. YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH WONDERFUL AND FUN COMMANDER ENTHUSIASTS!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention
Date: Jul 23, 2007
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
The dates of the event are Thursday, September 20 throught Sunday, September 23rd.? Hope to see y'all there! jb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sent: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 7:41 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention I know I am getting blind but I can't see an actual date of the event in the body of this message. Tom ? ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention jm, booked over a month ago, looking forward to it. if I can be of any help let me know.? mason ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Annual Fly-In and Convention Hi Gang, The TCFG Flyin and Convention is less than two months away and we can't wait to see all of you again.? Hope you are all making plans to attend.? The Hangar Hotel at the Gillespie County Airport (T82) in Fredericksburg, Texas will be the site of this year's event.? Fredericksburg is one of the most popular destinations in Texas and is located in the very heart of the beautiful Texas Hill country with a blend of German heritage and Texas hospitality.? Adjoining the airport is the beautiful Lady Bird Johnson Park with several water features, nature trails, picnic spots and all types of sporting facilities.? The park is also home to an eighteen-hole championship golf course.? You can board carts at the Hangar Hotel and be at the course within a few minutes.? ?Some of the local sites of interest (just to name a few) include the National Museum of the Pacific War, the Nimitz museum, and numerous art galleries.? ? The airport is located only 2 miles from historic Main Street which is host to unique shops and restaurants.? Many of the buildings are representative of a German/bavarian village.? ? Fredericksburg is located 1 hour and 15 minutes east of Austin and 1 hour south of San Antonio.? There is so much to do and see in this area of Texas that you will want to come early or stay after the Fly-In to go exploring.? A great program is being finalized including a visit to San Antonio being arranged by our own Buddy Windham, ?a Fly-out and/or field trip, ladies shopping excursion and a good line-up of speakers.?? The cost will be $150 for members and $200 for non-members.? Registration packes will be sent this week to current TCFG members.? If you are not a current member, let us know and we would be happy to send you the information.? CAR RENTAL INFORMATION:? The Motor Pool Auto Group serves the Gillespie County Airport and they have a small fleet of cars.? Please call 866-990-0562 to reserve.? If you are arriving after 6:00pm arrangements can be made to pick up your car at the Hangar Hotel.? Enterprise Rental Car provides rental cars to the airport if the Motor Pool does not have any available.? Call 830-997-1745 to reserve.? ? ? HOTEL RESERVATIONS The Hangar Hotel is a very unique and fun hotel located right on the airport (www.hangarhotel.com) ?A block of rooms has been reserved for this event at the following rates (taxes not included):? ? ??????????? Thursday Night???????????????????????? $ 99 ??????????? Friday-Saturday Nights????????????? $145 ? When making reservations let them know that you are with the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG), group confirmation #L259010.? In order to receive this rate rooms must be booked no later than August 20th.? After that the rooms will be released for general booking at regular rates.? Book ASAP as rooms will go fast.? ? Other hotels in the area include: ? Cotton Gin Lodging??????????????????????????????? 830-990-5734 (provides free shuttle to airport) Best Western??????????????????????????????????????? 830-992-2929 Super 8???????????????????????????????????????????????? 830-997-6568 Sunday House Inn???????????????????????????????? 830-997-4484 COME JOIN US.? YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH WONDERFUL AND FUN COMMANDER ENTHUSIASTS!!? title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ? HOTEL RESERVATIONS The Hangar Hotel is a very unique and fun hotel located right on the airport (www.hangarhotel.com) ?A block of rooms has been reserved for this event at the following rates (taxes not included):? ? ??????????? Thursday Night???????????????????????? $ 99 ??????????? Friday-Saturday Nights????????????? $145 ? When making reservations let them know that you are with the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG), group confirmation #L259010.? In order to receive this rate rooms must be booked no later than August 20th.? After that the rooms will be released for general booking at regular rates.? Book ASAP as rooms will go fast.? ? Other hotels in the area include: ? Cotton Gin Lodging??????????????????????????????? 830-990-5734 (provides free shuttle to airport) Best Western??????????????????????????????????????? 830-992-2929 Super 8???????????????????????????????????????????????? 830-997-6568 Sunday House Inn???????????????????????????????? 830-997-4484 COME JOIN US.? YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS OUT ON HAVING A GREAT TIME WITH WONDERFUL AND FUN COMMANDER ENTHUSIASTS!!? title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com>
Subject: Bill Leff needs a ride to OSH
Date: Jul 24, 2007
The Enquirer <http://enquirer.com> > News <http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=NEWS> > Dayton man lands plane on highway * Last Updated: 9:11 pm | Monday, July 23, 2007 Dayton man lands plane on highway THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FOND DU LAC, Wis. - An Ohio man flying a World War II-era plane made an emergency landing on a Wisconsin highway after experiencing engine trouble, snarling traffic for hours as authorities worked to move the aircraft. No injuries were reported after the plane landed on U.S. Highway 41 near Fond du Lac County Airport about 7:45 p.m. Sunday, authorities said. . Raw <http://video.ap.org/vws/search/aspx/ap.aspx?t=s60&p=ENAPus_ENAPus&g= 0723dv_ wi_plane_highway&f=OHCIN> Video: Plane Lands on Wisconsin Highway William J. Leff, of Dayton, was flying a 1946 North American T-6G plane with his son to the Experimental Aircraft Association's AirVenture show in Oshkosh when the engine problems arose, the Wisconsin State Patrol said in a statement. The plane touched down momentarily and regained altitude, banking briefly before landing and coming to a stop in the northbound lanes, the statement said. The right wing was damaged after it hit several highway signs. The highway was closed for hours in both directions until authorities managed to move the plane to the nearby airport. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 24, 2007
Donnie, I would like a copy in lbs and inches also. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald <mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don?t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve _____ Join our Network Research Panel today! vigator?Commander-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.============= _____ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join el_invite.asp?a=7%20> Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Donnie, Likewise. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ---------- At 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote: >Donnie, >I would like a copy in lbs and inches also. >Thanks >Jim Addington >N444BD > > >---------- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] >On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance > >Donnie, > >That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David >down-under. I'll send the copy I received to >your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs >and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... > >Steve >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>Donnie Rose >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance > >Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. >Thanks, >N69PT > >Donnie Rose >205/492-8444 > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "Steve @ Col-East" <<mailto:steve2(at)sover.net>steve2(at)sover.net> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance >David, > >The attachment worked fine. This is a really >nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the >graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... > >I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. > >Thanks guys, > >Steve >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>David Fitzgerald >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM >Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance > >I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one > >Cheers > > >Dr David Fitzgerald >BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) >CASA Medical Officer >Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair >Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer >Registrar in Occupational Medicine >DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com >mob 0438 312973 > >---------- >From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance > >WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! > >Donnie Rose >205/492-8444 > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM >Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance >Steve, > >When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an >(almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / >Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. > >It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there >and one can do simple math on the go -- and have >the C.G. envelope tables right there. > >I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home >I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. > >Wing Commander Gordon > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm >Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance >Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> > >Folks, > >Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone >built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? > >If not, a good generic sheet would work just >fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end >results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. > >Steve > > >---------- > >Join our Network Research Panel today! > > >vigator?Commander-List" target=_blank >rel=nofollow>http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/" >target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.====== ======= > > >Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? >Perfect. =========== >the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse ><http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List =========== >content now also available via the Web Forums! ><http://forums.matronics.com>http://forums.matronics.com > > >CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE >W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group >Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and >Warbirds.Net. & > This message >is intended for and should only be used by the >addressee. It is confidential and may contain >legally privileged information.If you are not >the intended recipient any use >distribution,disclosure or copying of this >message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality >and legal privilege attached to this >communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery. >If you have received this message in error, >please notify us immediately to: Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 >Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Cheers back at you big guy!=0ABy the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>=0ATo: co mmander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM=0ASu bject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0ADonnie,=0ALikewise.=0AChee rs,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0AAt 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote:=0A=0ADonnie,=0AI would like a copy in lbs and inches also.=0AThanks =0AJim Addington=0AN444BD=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFro m: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list- server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Comman der-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0ADonnie,=0A =0AThat spreadsheet was sent co urtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mai l. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along.....=0A =0ASteve=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A=0AFrom: Donnie Rose =0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0A=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM=0A=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A =0A=0AHey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the a ttachment.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AN69PT=0A=0A =0A=0ADonnie Rose =0A=0A205/492-84 44=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A=0AFrom: "Steve @ Col-E ast" =0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ASent: Th ursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM=0A=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0ADavid,=0A=0A =0A=0AThe attachment worked fine. This is a real ly nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I' m glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it.......=0A=0A =0A=0AI look forwar d to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here.=0A=0A =0A =0AThanks guys,=0A=0A =0A=0ASteve=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A=0AF rom: David Fitzgerald =0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0A=0ASent: Th ursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM=0A=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & B alance=0A=0A =0A=0AI don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemad e one=0A=0A =0A=0ACheers=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0ADr David Fitzgerald=0A =0ABMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)=0A=0ACASA Medical Officer =0A=0ADesignated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair=0A =0AZinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer=0A=0ARegistrar in Occupational Medicine=0A=0ADavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com=0A=0Amob 0438 312 973=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:own er-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0A=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM=0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A =0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A =0A=0AWCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets!=0A=0A =0A=0ADonnie Rose =0A=0A205/492-8444=0A=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A=0AFrom: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <clou dcraft(at)aol.com>=0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM=0A=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balanc e=0A=0ASteve,=0A=0A=0AWhen I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almos t) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.=0A=0A=0AIt is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there.=0A=0A=0AI'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload t he template for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0A=0A=0AWing Commander Gordon=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A=0AFrom: Steve at Col-East <steve2@sove r.net>=0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1: 24 pm=0A=0ASubject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A--> Commander-Lis t message posted by: "Steve at Col-East" =0A=0A =0A=0AFo lks, =0A=0A =0A=0ABefore I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 50 0 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? =0A=0A =0A=0AIf no t, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. 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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Check it out on the website, Donnie. www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com/> Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Cheers back at you big guy! By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, Likewise. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote: Donnie, I would like a copy in lbs and inches also. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald <mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve Join our Network Research Panel today! vigator?Commander-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.============ = Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com =========== CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery. 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Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Thanks Nico, my naive arse didn't know there was such!=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: nico css =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wedn esday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Bal ance=0A=0A=0ACheck it out on the website, Donnie.=0A =0Awww.aerocommander.c om=0A =0ANico=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server@matronic s.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donni e Rose=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM=0ATo: commander-list@matron ics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0ACheers back a t you big guy!=0ABy the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in? =0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0A From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>=0ATo: commander-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM=0ASubject: RE: Comma nder-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0ADonnie,=0ALikewise.=0ACheers,=0ABill Hamil ton=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AAt 05:39 AM 25/07/2 007, you wrote:=0A=0A=0ADonnie,=0AI would like a copy in lbs and inches als o.=0AThanks =0AJim Addington=0AN444BD=0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM=0AT o: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Bal ance=0A =0ADonnie,=0A =0AThat spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-u nder. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it alo ng.....=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Donnie Rose =0A =0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AHey Steve, can you p lease re-send, I didn't get the attachment.=0AThanks,=0AN69PT=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "Steve @ Col-East" =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Th ursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Ba lance=0ADavid,=0A =0AThe attachment worked fine. This is a really nice shee t! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to ha ve them. Thanks for sharing it.......=0A =0AI look forward to getting Gordo n's work so I can rejigger it for our use here.=0A =0AThanks guys,=0A =0ASt eve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: David Fitzgerald =0ATo: command er-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AI don=A2t know if attachments wo rk but this is a homemade one=0A =0ACheers=0A =0A =0A =0ADr David Fitzgeral d=0ABMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)=0ACASA Medical Officer =0ADesignated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair=0AZini fex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer=0ARegistrar in Occupat ional Medicine=0ADavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com=0Amob 0438 312973=0A=0A=0AFrom : owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-s erver(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 20 07 1:58 PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List : Weight & Balance=0A =0AWCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets!=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "cloudcr aft(at)aol.com" =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent : Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0ASteve,=0AWhen I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almos t) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.=0AIt is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one ca n do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there .=0AI'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0AWing Commander Gordon=0A =0A =0A-----Original Messag e-----=0AFrom: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-list@ma tronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Wei steve2(at)sover.net> =0A =0AFolks, =0A =0ABefore I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adap t? =0A =0AIf not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. 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Date: Jul 25, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one?=0ABy the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride. =0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -- --=0AFrom: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>=0ATo: commander-list@matroni cs.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: Commander -List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0ACheck it out on the website, Donnie.=0A =0A www.aerocommander.com=0A =0ANico=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-l ist-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM=0ATo: co mmander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance =0A =0ACheers back at you big guy!=0ABy the way, has anyone seen an itenera ry for the fly-in?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Origin al Message ----=0AFrom: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM=0A Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0ADonnie,=0ALikewise.=0ACh eers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AA t 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote:=0A=0A=0ADonnie,=0AI would like a copy in lbs and inches also.=0AThanks =0AJim Addington=0AN444BD=0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: o wner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-serv er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander- List: Weight & Balance=0A =0ADonnie,=0A =0AThat spreadsheet was sent courte sy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I 'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm don e I'll send it along.....=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFro m: Donnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AHey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment.=0AThanks,=0AN6 9PT=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ---- =0AFrom: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-list@matroni cs.com=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander- List: Weight & Balance=0ADavid,=0A =0AThe attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it.......=0A =0AI look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here.=0A =0AThan ks guys,=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: David Fitzgera ld =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12: 04 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AI don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one=0A =0ACheers=0A =0A =0A =0AD r David Fitzgerald=0ABMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)=0ACASA Medical Officer=0ADesignated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot , Tasair=0AZinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer=0ARegis trar in Occupational Medicine=0ADavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com=0Amob 0438 3129 73=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-c ommander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Thursd ay, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AWCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets !=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ---- =0AFrom: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>=0ATo: commander-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Comma nder-List: Weight & Balance=0ASteve,=0AWhen I was at Inter Island Air, I de veloped an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispa tch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.=0AIt is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope t ables right there.=0AI'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upl oad the template for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0AWing Commander Gordon=0A =0A =0A--- --Original Message-----=0AFrom: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm=0ASubject: Co ve at Col-East" =0A =0AFolks, =0A =0ABefore I go and rei nvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific sprea dsheet I can adapt? =0A =0AIf not, a good generic sheet would work just fin e as a beginning point. 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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 25, 2007
Jim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick this up and take care of it for you. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one? By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride. Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Check it out on the website, Donnie. www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com/> Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Cheers back at you big guy! By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, Likewise. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote: Donnie, I would like a copy in lbs and inches also. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald <mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. 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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 26, 2007
all, we could make hand outs at the fly in of the w & b info and any others of interest. mason From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & BalanceDate: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:58:42 -0700 Jim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick this up and take care of it for you. Nico From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie RoseSent: Wednesday, July 25, 2 007 7:10 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: Wei ght & Balance Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one? By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride. Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ----From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>To: com mander-list(at)matronics.comSent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PMSubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Check it out on the website, Donnie. www.aerocommander.com Nico From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie RoseSent: Wednesday, July 25, 2 007 5:54 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: Wei ght & Balance Cheers back at you big guy! By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ----From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.a u>To: commander-list(at)matronics.comSent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & BalanceDonnie,Likewise.Cheers,Bill Ha miltonAt 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote: Donnie,I would like a copy in lbs and inches also.Thanks Jim AddingtonN444B D From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-EastSent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-Li st: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David do wn-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn' t have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for s haring it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use he re. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-li st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all " Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance > Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Comma nder specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. 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From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
Date: Jul 26, 2007
Fellers, I'm glad to see the W&B spreadhseet taking on a life of its own. I found the results very interesting. Just keep in mind I wrote it up as a quick draft after swiping stuff from the TasAir sheet. But it isn't exactly the same sheet anymore. It isn't a complicated sheet, but before this gets a lot of circulation, how about reporting back after you've verified that it's producing the results you expect. That way I can tweak it if need be before finalizing. I had also though about trying to integrate the TO&L distances calculator, and or a data entry page for multiple models. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance all, we could make hand outs at the fly in of the w & b info and any others of interest. mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:58:42 -0700 Jim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick this up and take care of it for you. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:10 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one? By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride. Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Check it out on the website, Donnie. www.aerocommander.com Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Cheers back at you big guy! By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, Likewise. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote: Donnie, I would like a copy in lbs and inches also. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve Join our NetworkResearch Paneltoday! vigator?Commander-List" target=_blankrel=nofollow>http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/"targ et=_blankrel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.======== ===== Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com =========== CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. 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Date: Jul 26, 2007
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Weight & Balance
???=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>=0ATo: commander-list@matr onics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:58:42 PM=0ASubject: RE: Comma nder-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0A=0AJim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick thi s up and take care of it for you.=0ANico=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-com mander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:10 PM =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AHey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "mem ber", how do I become one?=0ABy the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride.=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Me ssage ----=0AFrom: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>=0ATo: commander-list @matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM=0ASubject: RE: C ommander-List: Weight & Balance=0ACheck it out on the website, Donnie.=0A =0Awww.aerocommander.com=0A =0ANico=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commande r-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.c om] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balan ce=0A =0ACheers back at you big guy!=0ABy the way, has anyone seen an itene rary for the fly-in?=0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Orig inal Message ----=0AFrom: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>=0ATo : commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM =0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A=0ADonnie,=0ALikewise. =0ACheers,=0ABill Hamilton=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0AAt 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote:=0ADonnie,=0AI would like a copy in lbs and inches also.=0AThanks =0AJim Addington=0AN444BD=0A =0AFrom: owner- commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0ADonnie,=0A =0AThat spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tw eaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'l l send it along.....=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Do nnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2 007 10:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AHey Stev e, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment.=0AThanks,=0AN69PT =0A =0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0A From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics. com=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-Lis t: Weight & Balance=0ADavid,=0A =0AThe attachment worked fine. This is a re ally nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it.......=0A =0AI look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here.=0A =0AThanks guys,=0A =0ASteve=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: David Fitzgerald =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AI don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one=0A =0ACheers=0A =0A =0A =0ADr D avid Fitzgerald=0ABMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)=0ACASA Med ical Officer=0ADesignated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, T asair=0AZinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer=0ARegistra r in Occupational Medicine=0ADavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com=0Amob 0438 312973 =0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander -list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Command er-List: Weight & Balance=0A =0AWCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets!=0A =0A Donnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: " cloudcraft(at)aol.com" =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance=0ASteve,=0AWhen I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes.=0AIt is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables righ t there.=0AI'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the te mplate for the 500 A/B/U/S.=0AWing Commander Gordon=0A =0A =0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>=0ATo: commander- list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm=0ASubject: Commander-Li East" =0A =0AFolks, =0A =0ABefore I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I c an adapt? =0A =0AIf not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beg inning point. 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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: TCFG membership
Date: Jul 26, 2007
I forwarded your request for membership directly to Jim, Donnie. Could you give me more info about the empty seats, I would like to put it up on the website if you are OK with that. If your seats are filled, we can take it off again. Helpful info would be type of aircraft, number of seats, from which airfield would you be departing and time of departure; when you would be returning with time; and finally the matter of cost contribution. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance ??? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:58:42 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Jim Metzger (Capt Jimbob) will pick this up and take care of it for you. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Nico, I was about to register but it has a slot for "member", how do I become one? By the way, I will have empty seats if anyone needs a ride. Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:17:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Check it out on the website, Donnie. www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com/> Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Cheers back at you big guy! By the way, has anyone seen an itenerary for the fly-in? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 6:51:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, Likewise. Cheers, Bill Hamilton At 05:39 AM 25/07/2007, you wrote: Donnie, I would like a copy in lbs and inches also. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Donnie, That spreadsheet was sent courtesy of David down-under. I'll send the copy I received to your Yahoo mail. I'm tweaking it to read in lbs and inches...... If you want one when I'm done I'll send it along..... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Hey Steve, can you please re-send, I didn't get the attachment. Thanks, N69PT Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "Steve @ Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:35:47 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance David, The attachment worked fine. This is a really nice sheet! I probably wouldn't have built the graphics on my own, so I'm glad to have them. Thanks for sharing it....... I look forward to getting Gordon's work so I can rejigger it for our use here. Thanks guys, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: David Fitzgerald <mailto:DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Weight & Balance I don=A2t know if attachments work but this is a homemade one Cheers Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) CASA Medical Officer Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer Registrar in Occupational Medicine DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [ mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance WCG, I lok fwd to seeing the sheets! Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Original Message ---- From: "cloudcraft(at)aol.com" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:13:51 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Steve, When I was at Inter Island Air, I developed an (almost) "one sheet does all" Weight & Balance / Manifest/ Dispatch sheet for FAR 135 purposes. It is not a spread sheet but the arms are there and one can do simple math on the go -- and have the C.G. envelope tables right there. I'm on a trip for a few days; when I get home I'll upload the template for the 500 A/B/U/S. Wing Commander Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 1:24 pm Subject: Commander-List: Weight & Balance Folks, Before I go and reinvent the wheel, has anyone built a 500 series, or Commander specific spreadsheet I can adapt? If not, a good generic sheet would work just fine as a beginning point. I'll compare the end results with numerous loading scenarios we have calculated. Steve Join our Network Research Panel today! vigator?Commander-List" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronicsums.matronics.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.============ =

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