Commander-Archive.digest.vol-cr
November 19, 2007 - December 12, 2007
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"Here's my strategy on the Cold War:=C2- We win, they lose." - Ronald Reag
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=C3=AF "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.
- Ronald Reagan
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's jus
t that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan=C2-
=C2-"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. Was
too strong. - Ronald Reagan=C2-
=C2-"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would have
looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress."- Ronald Reagan
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=C2-"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but
doesn't have to take the civil service examination. - Ronald Reagan
"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one e
nd and no sense of responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan
"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a gover
nment program." - Ronald Reagan
"I've laid down the law, though, to everyone from now on about anything that
happens: no matter what time it is, wake me, even if it's in the middle of
a Cabinet meeting." - Ronald Reagan
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have lear
ned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops movin
g, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if
you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." - Ronald Reagan
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as
the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation
gone under." - Ronald Reagan
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| Subject: | Re: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE! |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
AMEN, AMEN.=C2- Makes me want to cry.=C2- jb
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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 9:16 am
Subject: Commander-List: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE!
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Subject: Fw: SORRY HE'S GONE!
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:09:11 -0600
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----- Original Message -----
From: JWH
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:39 AM
Subject: Fw: SORRY HE'S GONE!
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Subject: SORRY HE'S GONE!
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"Here's my strategy on the Cold War:=C2- We win, they lose." - Ronald Reag
an
=C3=AF "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.
- Ronald Reagan
=C3=AF "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.
- Ronald Reagan
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's jus
t that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan=C2-
=C2-"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. Was
too strong. - Ronald Reagan=C2-
=C2-"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would have
looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress."- Ronald Reagan
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=C2-"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but
doesn't have to take the civil service examination. - Ronald Reagan
"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one e
nd and no sense of responsibility at the other." - Ronald Reagan
"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a gover
nment program." - Ronald Reagan
"I've laid down the law, though, to everyone from now on about anything that
happens: no matter what time it is, wake me, even if it's in the middle of
a Cabinet meeting." - Ronald Reagan
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have lear
ned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops movin
g, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many rewards, if
you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." - Ronald Reagan
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as
the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald Reagan
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation
gone under." - Ronald Reagan
IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE FORWARD.....IF NOT JUST DELETE.
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Great Commander day indeed, thank for sharing.? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 3:30 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Survey day
What a spectacular day in New England to be flying. I know there are some non-Commander
owners on the list. It's too bad they could not have been along today.
Pre-heat at 7:15 to get launched in time for good sunlight on the first job
site 250 miles away. The weather was a survey pilot's dream. Cyrstal clear, and
almost no wind. Mount Washington and the Presidentials in New Hampshire had
their tops covered with snow. Very unusual to be skimming 1000 feet over them
in smooth air. There were 4 sites in working areas of the Maine forests. Moose
country. Almost no wind, and no crab. Had budgeted 2 days effort and we got it
done in one with a half hour of gas and sunlight left. A hot cup of coffee,
a fill-up, and shooting the shit with the guys up in Millinocket. A great place
for gas, almost to the Canadian border, with Mount Katahdin in the background.
A nice local old-timer was being taught to work the pumps. Just had his first
airplane ride ever, in a Citabria.
?
Don't usually listen to music when flying, I don't need to be entertained, but
this far north there's no point in talking with anyone and we had some Van Morrison,
Lowell George and Little Feat through the Bose on the way home again through
the mountain ranges.
?
Some maple wood's in the stove, a good glass of wine at hand, and dinner's in the
oven.
?
A good day to fly.
?
Steve
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| Subject: | COMMANDER FLIGHTS |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS..
I had a couple of nice commander flights recently.? First, I went to MKE and was
then flown to Sheboygan (sp) to pick up a nice old 680E that belongs to a new
owner (and flight group member) Chris Bartnick.? The airplane had not flown
in several years but is in nice shape.? With the proper ferry permit in hand,
I launched for Kenosha.? You would never have known the airplane had sat for so
long.? She performed GREAT!!? Both engines ran like a Swiss watch.? The flight
was too short. only about twenty minutes along the west shore of the lake.?
The weather was gorgeous and the air smooth.? It was a great day to fly!!
Then Last week I flew to San Juan PR to do the annual insp. on Jimmy Rodriguez's
air conditioned?500B, S/N 1.? The annual went really well and we did several
projects like replacing all the rubber motor mounts, rebuilding the main gear
scissors and replacing a broken (by the avionics shop) landing light lenz.? I
was done a day early, so we test flew the airplane to Jimmy's island getaway
on Culabra.? It was a great flight over the Caribbean waters.? We had Jimmy's
family along and it was fun watching Mom and the kids playing games in the back
of the Commander, these airplanes really are a suburban with wings!!? I seldom
get to just ride and I really enjoyed just looking out the window.? The airport
at Culebra is has tricky approach and there have been a few accidents there.?
I landed a Commander there a couple of years ago so I was interested to watch
Jimmy's technique.? He did a masterful job with the Commander and flew a
perfect approach and a great landing.? We left for ho
me, Isla Grande airport, just as the sun was setting and had a great night flight
back.? It was a great end to my trip.? The bad news was that the next day?I
had a 16hr airline trip home (to Portland OR).? jb
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE! |
At least some of you guys still have a sense of humor.....
Group hug, or too soon?
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE!
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. unbelievable statement :-( jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bow <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 7:06 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE!
=9Ca close second to President Carter=9D
You mean the guy who gave away the Panama Canal?
You mean the guy who brought us 18% mortgage rates?
You mean the guy who threw the Shaw of Iran under the bus resulting in
Muslim situation we have today?
I guess that was a joke and I missed it, sorry.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:02 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE!
There were some things to quarrel with Reagan about, but he ended up
pretty good. A genuine conservative and I believe a decent man. While
totally different, a close second to President Carter.
Steve
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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: SORRY HE'S GONE!
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Subject: Fw: SORRY HE'S GONE!
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:09:11 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: JWH
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:39 AM
Subject: Fw: SORRY HE'S GONE!
Subject: SORRY HE'S GONE!
"Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose." -
Ronald Reagan
=C3=AF "The most terrifying words in the English language are:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
- Ronald Reagan
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're
ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald
Reagan
"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the
U.S. Was too strong. - Ronald Reagan
"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's
would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S.
Congress."- Ronald Reagan
"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal
government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination. -
Ronald Reagan
"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big
appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other." -
Ronald Reagan
"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this
earth is a government program." - Ronald Reagan
"I've laid down the law, though, to everyone from now on about
anything that happens: no matter what time it is, wake me, even if it's
in the middle of a Cabinet meeting." - Ronald Reagan
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest
profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the
first." - Ronald Reagan
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few
short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And
if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan
"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are
many rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." -
Ronald Reagan
"No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so
formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. - Ronald
Reagan
"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we
will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
IF YOU AGREE, PLEASE FORWARD.....IF NOT JUST DELETE.
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER FLIGHTS |
Lucky you, a Caribbean Vacation that involved Commanders! I need to
arrange something like that....
/J
yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
> HI KIDS..
> I had a couple of nice commander flights recently. First, I went to
> MKE and was then flown to Sheboygan (sp) to pick up a nice old 680E
> that belongs to a new owner (and flight group member) Chris Bartnick.
> The airplane had not flown in several years but is in nice shape.
> With the proper ferry permit in hand, I launched for Kenosha. You
> would never have known the airplane had sat for so long. She
> performed GREAT!! Both engines ran like a Swiss watch. The flight
> was too short. only about twenty minutes along the west shore of the
> lake. The weather was gorgeous and the air smooth. It was a great
> day to fly!!
>
> Then Last week I flew to San Juan PR to do the annual insp. on Jimmy
> Rodriguez's air conditioned 500B, S/N 1. The annual went really well
> and we did several projects like replacing all the rubber motor
> mounts, rebuilding the main gear scissors and replacing a broken (by
> the avionics shop) landing light lenz. I was done a day early, so we
> test flew the airplane to Jimmy's island getaway on Culabra. It was a
> great flight over the Caribbean waters. We had Jimmy's family along
> and it was fun watching Mom and the kids playing games in the back of
> the Commander, these airplanes really are a suburban with wings!! I
> seldom get to just ride and I really enjoyed just looking out the
> window. The airport at Culebra is has tricky approach and there have
> been a few accidents there. I landed a Commander there a couple of
> years ago so I was interested to watch Jimmy's technique. He did a
> masterful job with the Commander and flew a perfect approach and a
> great landing. We left for home, Isla Grande airport, just as the sun
> was setting and had a great night flight back. It was a great end to
> my trip. The bad news was that the next day I had a 16hr airline trip
> home (to Portland OR). jb
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: COMMANDER FLIGHTS |
I knew I had seen that Island name somewhere........ Just recently I had
been forwarded a link to a YouTube video by a buddy of landing on
Culebra. That is tricky! Guy does a beautiful job and handles the
aircraft really well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhjySesmcYo&feature=related
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: Commander-List: COMMANDER FLIGHTS
HI KIDS..
I had a couple of nice commander flights recently. First, I went to
MKE and was then flown to Sheboygan (sp) to pick up a nice old 680E that
belongs to a new owner (and flight group member) Chris Bartnick. The
airplane had not flown in several years but is in nice shape. With the
proper ferry permit in hand, I launched for Kenosha. You would never
have known the airplane had sat for so long. She performed GREAT!!
Both engines ran like a Swiss watch. The flight was too short. only
about twenty minutes along the west shore of the lake. The weather was
gorgeous and the air smooth. It was a great day to fly!!
Then Last week I flew to San Juan PR to do the annual insp. on Jimmy
Rodriguez's air conditioned 500B, S/N 1. The annual went really well
and we did several projects like replacing all the rubber motor mounts,
rebuilding the main gear scissors and replacing a broken (by the
avionics shop) landing light lenz. I was done a day early, so we test
flew the airplane to Jimmy's island getaway on Culabra. It was a great
flight over the Caribbean waters. We had Jimmy's family along and it
was fun watching Mom and the kids playing games in the back of the
Commander, these airplanes really are a suburban with wings!! I seldom
get to just ride and I really enjoyed just looking out the window. The
airport at Culebra is has tricky approach and there have been a few
accidents there. I landed a Commander there a couple of years ago so I
was interested to watch Jimmy's technique. He did a masterful job with
the Commander and flew a perfect approach and a great landing. We left
for home, Isla Grande airport, just as the sun was setting and had a
great night flight back. It was a great end to my trip. The bad news
was that the next day I had a 16hr airline trip home (to Portland OR).
jb
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Sorry to ask this on a Commander forum. A friend and I are looking at a (with
minimal interest) at a 1976 Cessna 340A with 310 hp. Does anyone know much about
them?
To the fellow who said my John Cranks harder because of my age --you are correct.
No my family did not own a JD dealership but I am aleast a 4th generation
farmer and multi generation Farmer.
dan farmer
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| Subject: | Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
Dan:
Why minimal interest? A 340 (just like all of them) is a great airplane
with a specific mission: 4 or 5 pax in pressurized, air-conditioned
comfort with unbeatable economy. A 340A is just stock with the
powerplants that every 340 needs in the first place.
Brock
-----Original Message--
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Dan Farmer
Sent: Tue 11/20/2007 5:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Sorry to ask this on a Commander forum. A friend and I are looking at a
(with minimal interest) at a 1976 Cessna 340A with 310 hp. Does anyone
know much about them?
To the fellow who said my John Cranks harder because of my age --you
are correct. No my family did not own a JD dealership but I am aleast a
4th generation farmer and multi generation Farmer.
dan farmer
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Gotcha Dan, I was a John Deere dealer for 19 years and another dealer whom I new
was Dan Farmer.
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:59:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Cessna 340A
Sorry to ask this on a Commander forum. A friend and I are looking at a (with
minimal interest) at a 1976 Cessna 340A with 310 hp. Does anyone know much about
them?
To the fellow who said my John Cranks harder because of my age --you are correct.
No my family did not own a JD dealership but I am aleast a 4th generation farmer
and multi generation Farmer.
dan farmer
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
Brock
My 685 will do that too!
If I could just get it out of the hangar.... :-p
Robert S. Randazzo
On Nov 20, 2007, at 9:18 PM, "Brock Lorber"
wrote:
> Dan:
>
> Why minimal interest? A 340 (just like all of them) is a great
> airplane with a specific mission: 4 or 5 pax in pressurized, air-
> conditioned comfort with unbeatable economy. A 340A is just stock
> with the powerplants that every 340 needs in the first place.
>
> Brock
>
> -----Original Message--
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Dan
> Farmer
> Sent: Tue 11/20/2007 5:59 PM
> To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
>
> Sorry to ask this on a Commander forum. A friend and I are looking
> at a (with minimal interest) at a 1976 Cessna 340A with 310 hp.
> Does anyone know much about them?
>
> To the fellow who said my John Cranks harder because of my age --
> you are correct. No my family did not own a JD dealership but I am
> aleast a 4th generation farmer and multi generation Farmer.
>
> dan farmer
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
>
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| Subject: | Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
Why is it that the mechs seem to win on 30-40 year old rigs? I'm in
there somewhere and, while I'm starting to groan a bit while getting out
of bed in the morning, once I'm up I'm up! These pampered girls should
be thanking us!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Tue 11/20/2007 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Brock
My 685 will do that too!
If I could just get it out of the hangar.... :-p
Robert S. Randazzo
On Nov 20, 2007, at 9:18 PM, "Brock Lorber"
wrote:
> Dan:
>
> Why minimal interest? A 340 (just like all of them) is a great
> airplane with a specific mission: 4 or 5 pax in pressurized, air-
> conditioned comfort with unbeatable economy. A 340A is just stock
> with the powerplants that every 340 needs in the first place.
>
> Brock
>
> -----Original Message--
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Dan
> Farmer
> Sent: Tue 11/20/2007 5:59 PM
> To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Cessna 340A [bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
>
> Sorry to ask this on a Commander forum. A friend and I are looking
> at a (with minimal interest) at a 1976 Cessna 340A with 310 hp.
> Does anyone know much about them?
>
> To the fellow who said my John Cranks harder because of my age --
> you are correct. No my family did not own a JD dealership but I am
> aleast a 4th generation farmer and multi generation Farmer.
>
> dan farmer
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
>
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an |
Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
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ow to charge an Ipod with an Onion!So I was getting on Utube to watch a cou
ple of Wolfmother (awesome band, think Led Zeppelin meet Old Ozzy) videos,
and this was on the front page. I was intrigued, so I watched it and it re
ally is as easy as you think it is going to be. http://www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=GfPJeDssBOM-- George Chevaillier(206) 661-83392124 Fairmount Ave SWSe
attle, WA 98126
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| From: | "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in my
mobile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the outlet is
12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with
an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
_____
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:18 -0800
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clarke2(at)uthscsa.edu
Subject: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an Onion!
So I was getting on Utube to watch a couple of Wolfmother (awesome band,
think Led Zeppelin meet Old Ozzy) videos, and this was on the front page. I
was intrigued, so I watched it and it really is as easy as you think it is
going to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM
--
George Chevaillier
(206) 661-8339
2124 Fairmount Ave SW
Seattle, WA 98126
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Mine is definitely 24 volts as I cooked a DVD player that stated not to
plug into 24v.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Fitzgerald
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in
500S
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in
my mobile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the outlet
is 12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod
with an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
_____
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:18 -0800
From: george.chevaillier(at)gmail.com
aebessire(at)gmail.com; ashley.roessner(at)gmail.com; achampio(at)smu.edu;
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RWatson2165(at)aol.com; southworth.cole(at)gmail.com;
tylercornellsmith(at)gmail.com; clarke2(at)uthscsa.edu
Subject: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an Onion!
So I was getting on Utube to watch a couple of Wolfmother (awesome band,
think Led Zeppelin meet Old Ozzy) videos, and this was on the front
page. I was intrigued, so I watched it and it really is as easy as you
think it is going to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM
--
George Chevaillier
(206) 661-8339
2124 Fairmount Ave SW
Seattle, WA 98126
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
I fly an AC-68 (Commander 680 FLP) and have a cigarette plug extension
for the boss so he can use his phone charger from his seat. I don't
know if the lighter socket is 12 or 24 volts but I think phone chargers
adapt to a variety of voltages. We have no problem in our plane.
RM
----- Original Message -----
From: David Fitzgerald
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in
500S
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in
my mobile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the
outlet is 12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:51 AM
To: commander-list
Subject: Commander-List: FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod
with an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:18 -0800
From: george.chevaillier(at)gmail.com
To: alexandra.brock(at)gmail.com; andrewdowdy19(at)gmail.com;
aebessire(at)gmail.com; ashley.roessner(at)gmail.com; achampio(at)smu.edu;
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tylercornellsmith(at)gmail.com; clarke2(at)uthscsa.edu
Subject: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an Onion!
So I was getting on Utube to watch a couple of Wolfmother (awesome
band, think Led Zeppelin meet Old Ozzy) videos, and this was on the
front page. I was intrigued, so I watched it and it really is as easy
as you think it is going to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM
--
George Chevaillier
(206) 661-8339
2124 Fairmount Ave SW
Seattle, WA 98126
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?C
ommander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Try a heavy equipment dealer. Most equipment is 24 volt. I bought an adapto
r from 24 volts to 12 volts for my excavators.
Roland Gilliam
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.netTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Comm
ander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500SDate: Thu, 22
Mine is definitely 24 volts as I cooked a DVD player that stated not to plu
g into 24v.
-----Original Message-----From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Fitzge
raldSent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:10 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.c
omSubject: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 50
0S
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in my m
obile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the outlet is
12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIERSent: Thursday, Novem
ber 22, 2007 7:51 AMTo: commander-listSubject: Commander-List: FW: This is
Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:18 -0800From: george.chevaillier(at)gmail.comTo:
alexandra.brock(at)gmail.com; andrewdowdy19(at)gmail.com; aebessire(at)gmail.com; as
hley.roessner(at)gmail.com; achampio(at)smu.edu; r_schadeberg(at)hotmail.com; benjam
inriedesel(at)gmail.com; mulloy(at)uthscsa.edu; billratliffIV(at)hotmail.com; b_loud
ermilk(at)hotmail.com; bowie.holland(at)gmail.com; hurlbri1(at)yahoo.com; concaitlin
(at)gmail.com; calebmiller21(at)yahoo.com; cami.mccluer(at)gmail.com; Candice(at)tfgre.
com; charles.team(at)gmail.com; c.hagin(at)gmail.com; chris.naso(at)gmail.com; blond
ecac(at)hotmail.com; claysmit15(at)hotmail.com; claytonholland1(at)msn.com; fearnv@s
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om; joewhittaker(at)hotmail.com; john.mcdowell(at)gmail.com; johngreilly(at)gmail.co
m; kateaugustine(at)gmail.com; laurenstep(at)gmail.com; laurin.chevaillier(at)fwafa.
org; leesantamaria(at)hotmail.com; leigh.vanderhamm(at)gmail.com; LindseyWillis@g
mail.com; cloch(at)fhcrc.org; mark.t.gordon(at)gmail.com; kamala(at)msn.com; belewti
ful(at)hotmail.com; browngm1ut(at)gmail.com; Nathan.R.Poppink(at)uscg.mil; naveedmas
tan1(at)hotmail.com; paul(at)heycasey.com; pmabshire(at)gmail.com; ferguson.wr(at)gmail
.com; longrw(at)gmail.com; RWatson2165(at)aol.com; southworth.cole(at)gmail.com; tyl
ercornellsmith(at)gmail.com; clarke2(at)uthscsa.eduSubject: This is Crazy Cool. H
ow to charge an Ipod with an Onion!So I was getting on Utube to watch a cou
ple of Wolfmother (awesome band, think Led Zeppelin meet Old Ozzy) videos,
and this was on the front page. I was intrigued, so I watched it and it re
ally is as easy as you think it is going to be. http://www.youtube.com/watc
h?v=GfPJeDssBOM-- George Chevaillier(206) 661-83392124 Fairmount Ave SWSe
attle, WA 98126 http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matron
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| From: | "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Thanks guys. The adapter of my phone etc is 12V - I might not plug it in!
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in
500S
Mine is definitely 24 volts as I cooked a DVD player that stated not to plug
into 24v.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Fitzgerald
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in my
mobile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the outlet is
12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with
an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
_____
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:18 -0800
From: george.chevaillier(at)gmail.com
ashley.roessner(at)gmail.com; achampio(at)smu.edu; r_schadeberg(at)hotmail.com;
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clarke2(at)uthscsa.edu
Subject: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an Onion!
So I was getting on Utube to watch a couple of Wolfmother (awesome band,
think Led Zeppelin meet Old Ozzy) videos, and this was on the front page. I
was intrigued, so I watched it and it really is as easy as you think it is
going to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM
--
George Chevaillier
(206) 661-8339
2124 Fairmount Ave SW
Seattle, WA 98126
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your generous support!
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
That's one sure-fire way to check the voltage!
Robert S. Randazzo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in
500S
Mine is definitely 24 volts as I cooked a DVD player that stated not to plug
into 24v.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Fitzgerald
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in my
mobile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the outlet is
12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
mob 0438 312973
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with
an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
_____
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:37:18 -0800
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Good Evening Robert and anyone else who may have occasion to use a cigarette
lighter plug for powering other devices.
I have no idea how things are done in various Aero Commanders, but
Beechcraft has done a couple of things that could be confusing to a Baron pilot.
The early Barons had a large resistor in the cigarette lighter circuit that
was supposed to have about the same resistance as the lighter which was to be
heated. That allowed a twelve volt lighter to be used.
If you checked the voltage with no load, you would read twenty-four volts.
If you plugged in a twenty-four volt device that required a fair amount of
current, it would get much less voltage. The voltage, of course, being a balance
between the current required by the unit and the current shed by the larger
resistor.
Ohm's Law and all that stuff.
If you plugged in a very low draw device such as a phone charger, it
received almost the full twenty-eight volts that would be supplied by the
alternators or generators. On later airplanes, Beech has taken out the resistor
and
found a source for twenty-eight volt cigarette lighters.
Be careful what voltage IS available and be sure to check to see whether or
not AC ever tried to do the same thing Beech did with the early Barons!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/22/2007 10:35:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,
rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:
That's one sure-fire way to check the voltage!
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| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Check it with a volt meter, then you will know. I put a 24V to 12V converter
in my 500A and wired the socket to that, it works fine.
Jim Addington
N444BD
00A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Fitzgerald
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in
500S
Thanks guys. The adapter of my phone etc is 12V - I might not plug it in!
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in
500S
Mine is definitely 24 volts as I cooked a DVD player that stated not to plug
into 24v.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Fitzgerald
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S
Hi folks
Am wanting to use the cigarette lighter outlet in my shrike to plug in my
mobile phone adapter etc.
Anyone know off the top of their head whether the output from the outlet is
12 or 24 volts?
Dave
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago)
CASA Medical Officer
Designated Aviation Medical Examiner and Commercial Pilot, Tasair
Zinifex Hobart Smelter and Rosebery Mine Medical Officer
Registrar in Occupational Medicine
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Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with
an Onion!
to all have a safe and happy thanksgiving. mason
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Subject: This is Crazy Cool. How to charge an Ipod with an Onion!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Good Evening Jim,
In addition to using a voltmeter, you could check the feed line for
resistance. If there has been a dropping resistor installed, the voltage will
not be
a true indication. The other way to check would be to check with a
substantial load applied.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/22/2007 11:10:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jtaddington(at)verizon.net writes:
Check it with a volt meter, then you will know. I put a 24V to 12V converter
in my 500A and wired the socket to that, it works fine.
Jim Addington
N444BD
00A
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
I have just installed a 28VDC to 13.5VDC converter that will handle 18
amps. All five outlets in the cabin and cockpit will be supplied by
that unit.
Tom C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: voltage output of cigarette lighter
outlet in 500S
Good Evening Jim,
In addition to using a voltmeter, you could check the feed line for
resistance. If there has been a dropping resistor installed, the voltage
will not be a true indication. The other way to check would be to check
with a substantial load applied.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/22/2007 11:10:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jtaddington(at)verizon.net writes:
Check it with a volt meter, then you will know. I put a 24V to 12V
converter in my 500A and wired the socket to that, it works fine.
Jim Addington
N444BD
00A
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: voltage output of cigarette lighter outlet in 500S |
Good Morning Tom,
Since I have the same sort of unit in my twenty-four volt Bonanza, I think
that is a great idea!
It is probably a good idea to clearly label the outlets as to their voltage
though.
However, I have one twelve volt and one twenty-four volt outlet in the
cockpit area. Labeling may not be as important if all are the same.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
In a message dated 11/23/2007 12:00:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
I have just installed a 28VDC to 13.5VDC converter that will handle 18 amps.
All five outlets in the cabin and cockpit will be supplied by that unit.
Tom C-GISS
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| Subject: | fuel shutoff valve question |
| From: | "scottmain" <scottmain2003(at)aol.com> |
Should the wheel-well fuel shutoff valve completely stop fuel flow when closed
or only severely restrict it. I have a small amount coming through the valve when
it is in the closed position. Aircraft is a 560A. The same type of valve is
used for hydraulic and oil shutoff. I am opening the fuel drain valve with the
electric pump on and the valve closed to check the close position. Is this
a valid test? Thanks to anyone who checks their airplane and shares the results
with me.
Scott Main
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Tom
Where did you get your 28v to 13.5 converter?
dan farmer
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| Subject: | Re: fuel shutoff valve question |
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It should completely close it off.? JB
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 6:41 am
Subject: Commander-List: fuel shutoff valve question
Should the wheel-well fuel shutoff valve completely stop fuel flow when closed
or only severely restrict it. I have a small amount coming through the valve
when it is in the closed position. Aircraft is a 560A. The same type of valve is
used for hydraulic and oil shutoff. I am opening the fuel drain valve with the
electric pump on and the valve closed to check the close position. Is this a
valid test? Thanks to anyone who checks their airplane and shares the results
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | FW: The Golden Compass |
From: fwitt4(at)sbcglobal.netTo: sabrabrown(at)cox.net; RPetrarrussell(at)aol.com; k
amala(at)msn.com; holleytowle(at)bellsouth.net; herbmax11(at)aol.com; gjones25@tampa
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mSubject: Fw: The Golden CompassDate: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:49:08 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Peggy McMindes
Mayberry ; Carolyn Jackson ; Barbara Finholt
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Fw: The Golden Compass
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Brox
Brownell ; Melissa Brox ; Peggy McMindes ; Sandy Smith ; Susan Hidy
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Fw: The Golden Compass
We all need to take note of this & pass on to our kids & Grandkids, as well
as any other children we might be able to influence. This is dreadful!! Th
ese are a couple E-mails I copied from Snopes (which says they are true) th
at are circulating about this movie coming out in December and the books th
e movie is taken from. Thought you would find them thought provoking. http:
//www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp There will be a new Children
's movie out in December called THE GOLDEN COMPASS. It is written by Philli
p Pullman, a proud athiest who belongs to secular humanist societies. He ha
tes C. S. Lewis's Chronical's of Narnia and has written a trilogy to show t
he other side. The movie has been dumbed down to fool kids and their parent
s in the hope that they will buy his trilogy where in the end the children
kill God and everyone can do as they please. Nicole Kidman stars in the mov
ie so it will probably be advertised a lot. This is just a friendly warning
that you sure won't hear on the regular TV.
[Collected via e-mail, October 2007] I don't just generally dismiss a movie
or book just because someone 'says' it's meant to be something else...but
this is worth knowing if you plan to see it (or plan to take your kids). "H
i! I just wanted to inform you what I just learned about a movie that is co
ming out December 7, during the Christmas season, which is entitled THE GOL
DEN COMPASS. It stars Nicole Kidman and it is directed toward children. Wha
t is disturbing to me is that this movie is based on the first of a trilogy
of books for children called HIS DARK MATERIALS written by Philip Pullman
of England. He's an atheist and his objective is to bash Christianity and p
romote atheism. I heard that he has made remarks that he wants to kill God
in the minds of children, and that's what his books are all about. He despi
ses C.S. Lewis and Narnia, etc. An article written about him said "this is
the most dangerous author in Britain" and that Pullman would be the writer
"the atheists would be praying for, if atheists prayed." Pullman said he do
esn't think it is possible that there is a God and he has great difficulty
understanding the words "spiritual" and "spirituality." What I thought was
important to communicate is what part of the agenda is for making this pict
ure. This movie is a watered down version of the first book, which is the l
east offensive of the three books. The second book of the trilogy is THE SU
BTLE KNIFE and the third book is THE AMBER SPYGLASS. Each book gets worse a
nd worse regarding Pullman's hatred of God. In the trilogy, a young girl be
comes enmeshed in an epic struggle against a nefarious Church known as the
Magisterium. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity as "a ver
y powerful and convincing mistake." As I understand it, in the last book, a
boy and girl are depicted representing Adam and Eve and they kill God, who
at times is called YAHWEH (which is definitely not Allah). Since the movie
would seem mild if you viewed it, that's been done on purpose. They are ho
ping that unsuspecting parents will take their children to See the movie, t
hat they will enjoy the movie and then the children will want the books for
Christmas. That's the hook. Pullman says he wants the children to read the
books and decide against God and the kingdom of heaven. If you decide that
you do not want to support something like this, I suggest that you boycott
the movie and the books. I googled a synopsis of THE GOLDEN COMPASS. As I
skimmed it, I couldn't believe that in a children's book part of the story
is about castration and female circumcision.
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: fuel shutoff valve question |
It should completely shut off.If t does not it needs overhauled.
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: The Golden Compass |
Exactly what I have heard!
awful
bobf
500GW
On 11/26/07, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: fwitt4(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: sabrabrown(at)cox.net; RPetrarrussell(at)aol.com; kamala(at)msn.com;
> holleytowle(at)bellsouth.net; herbmax11(at)aol.com; gjones25(at)tampabay.rr.com;
> djb(at)ratc.com; thesquaredancer(at)sbcglobal.net; baba09460(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: Fw: The Golden Compass
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:49:08 -0600
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Peggy McMindes
> *To:* Florence Witt ; Ren=E9 White; Jody
> Price ; Bill & Emily O'Grady; Joan
> Mayberry ; Carolyn Jackson ;
Barbara
> Finholt
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2007 12:08 PM
> *Subject:* Fw: The Golden Compass
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Mary Brox
> *To:* Carrie Brox ; Cheryl Buss; Frances
> Betterman ; Georgia Hanwell; Jean
> Brownell ; Melissa Brox ; Pegg
y
> McMindes ; Sandy Smith ; Susan
> Hidy
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:29 PM
> *Subject:* Fw: The Golden Compass
>
>
> We all need to take note of this & pass on to our kids & Grandkids, as
> well as any other children we might be able to influence. This is dreadfu
l!!
>
> These are a couple E-mails I copied from Snopes (which says they are true
)
> that are circulating about this movie coming out in December and the book
s
> the movie is taken from. Thought you would find them thought provoking.
>
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
>
> There will be a new Children's movie out in December called THE GOLDEN
> COMPASS. It is written by Phillip Pullman, a proud athiest who belongs to
> secular humanist societies. He hates C. S. Lewis's Chronical's of Narnia
and
> has written a trilogy to show the other side. The movie has been dumbed d
own
> to fool kids and their parents in the hope that they will buy his trilogy
> where in the end the children kill God and everyone can do as they please
.
> Nicole Kidman stars in the movie so it will probably be advertised a lot.
> This is just a friendly warning that you sure won't hear on the regular T
V.
>
> ------------------------------
> *
> [Collected via e-mail, October 2007]*
>
> I don't just generally dismiss a movie or book just because someone 'says
'
> it's meant to be something else...but this is worth knowing if you plan t
o
> see it (or plan to take your kids).
>
> "Hi! I just wanted to inform you what I just learned about a movie that i
s
> coming out December 7, during the Christmas season, which is entitled THE
> GOLDEN COMPASS. It stars Nicole Kidman and it is directed toward children
.
> What is disturbing to me is that this movie is based on the first of a
> trilogy of books for children called HIS DARK MATERIALS written by Philip
> Pullman of England.
>
> He's an atheist and his objective is to bash Christianity and promote
> atheism. I heard that he has made remarks that he wants to kill God in th
e
> minds of children, and that's what his books are all about. He despises
> C.S. Lewis and Narnia, etc. An article written about him said "this is th
e
> most dangerous author in Britain" and that Pullman would be the writer "t
he
> atheists would be praying for, if atheists prayed." Pullman said he doesn
't
> think it is possible that there is a God and he has great difficulty
> understanding the words "spiritual" and "spirituality." What I thought wa
s
> important to communicate is what part of the agenda is for making this
> picture. This movie is a watered down version of the first book, which is
> the least offensive of the three books. The second book of the trilogy is
> THE SUBTLE KNIFE and the third book is THE AMBER SPYGLASS. Each book gets
> worse and worse regarding Pullman's hatred of God. In the trilogy, a youn
g
> girl becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle against a nefarious Church know
n
> as the Magisterium. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity
as
> "a very powerful and convincing mistake." As I understand it, in the last
> book, a boy and girl are depicted representing Adam and Eve and they kill
> God, who at times is called YAHWEH (which is definitely not Allah). Since
> the movie would seem mild if you viewed it, that's been done on purpose.
>
> They are hoping that unsuspecting parents will take their children to See
> the movie, that they will enjoy the movie and then the children will want
> the books for Christmas. That's the hook. Pullman says he wants the child
ren
> to read the books and decide against God and the kingdom of heaven.
>
> If you decide that you do not want to support something like this, I
> suggest that you boycott the movie and the books. I googled a synopsis of
> THE GOLDEN COMPASS. As I skimmed it, I couldn't believe that in a childre
n's
> book part of the story is about castration and female circumcision.
>
======================== *
>
>
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| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: The Golden Compass |
I got this some time back and was very disappointed in Nicole Kidman. I
had
just gotten an email with her singing that was beautiful.
Jim A
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:12 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: The Golden Compass
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Subject: Fw: The Golden Compass
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:49:08 -0600
----- Original Message -----
From: Peggy <mailto:pomcmindes(at)charter.net> McMindes
White ; Jody
Price ; Bill
& Emily O'Grady ; Joan Mayberry ;
Carolyn
Jackson ; Barbara
Finholt
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Fw: The Golden Compass
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Brox <mailto:emmie12(at)msn.com>
; Frances
Betterman ; Georgia
Hanwell ; Jean
Brownell ; Melissa Brox ; Peggy McMindes
; Sandy Smith
;
Susan Hidy
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Fw: The Golden Compass
We all need to take note of this & pass on to our kids & Grandkids, as
well
as any other children we might be able to influence. This is dreadful!!
These are a couple E-mails I copied from Snopes (which says they are
true)
that are circulating about this movie coming out in December and the
books
the movie is taken from. Thought you would find them thought provoking.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
There will be a new Children's movie out in December called THE GOLDEN
COMPASS. It is written by Phillip Pullman, a proud athiest who belongs
to
secular humanist societies. He hates C. S. Lewis's Chronical's of Narnia
and
has written a trilogy to show the other side. The movie has been dumbed
down
to fool kids and their parents in the hope that they will buy his
trilogy
where in the end the children kill God and everyone can do as they
please.
Nicole Kidman stars in the movie so it will probably be advertised a
lot.
This is just a friendly warning that you sure won't hear on the regular
TV.
_____
[Collected via e-mail, October 2007]
I don't just generally dismiss a movie or book just because someone
'says'
it's meant to be something else...but this is worth knowing if you plan
to
see it (or plan to take your kids).
"Hi! I just wanted to inform you what I just learned about a movie that
is
coming out December 7, during the Christmas season, which is entitled
THE
GOLDEN COMPASS. It stars Nicole Kidman and it is directed toward
children.
What is disturbing to me is that this movie is based on the first of a
trilogy of books for children called HIS DARK MATERIALS written by
Philip
Pullman of England.
He's an atheist and his objective is to bash Christianity and promote
atheism. I heard that he has made remarks that he wants to kill God in
the
minds of children, and that's what his books are all about. He despises
C.S.
Lewis and Narnia, etc. An article written about him said "this is the
most
dangerous author in Britain" and that Pullman would be the writer "the
atheists would be praying for, if atheists prayed." Pullman said he
doesn't
think it is possible that there is a God and he has great difficulty
understanding the words "spiritual" and "spirituality." What I thought
was
important to communicate is what part of the agenda is for making this
picture. This movie is a watered down version of the first book, which
is
the least offensive of the three books. The second book of the trilogy
is
THE SUBTLE KNIFE and the third book is THE AMBER SPYGLASS. Each book
gets
worse and worse regarding Pullman's hatred of God. In the trilogy, a
young
girl becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle against a nefarious Church
known
as the Magisterium. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity
as
"a very powerful and convincing mistake." As I understand it, in the
last
book, a boy and girl are depicted representing Adam and Eve and they
kill
God, who at times is called YAHWEH (which is definitely not Allah).
Since
the movie would seem mild if you viewed it, that's been done on purpose.
They are hoping that unsuspecting parents will take their children to
See
the movie, that they will enjoy the movie and then the children will
want
the books for Christmas. That's the hook. Pullman says he wants the
children
to read the books and decide against God and the kingdom of heaven.
If you decide that you do not want to support something like this, I
suggest
that you boycott the movie and the books. I googled a synopsis of THE
GOLDEN
COMPASS. As I skimmed it, I couldn't believe that in a children's book
part
of the story is about castration and female circumcision.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt |
Dralle?
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
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Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
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Please make a Contribution today!
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
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If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
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I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
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er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
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| Subject: | Re: Swede Ralston |
| From: | "srataero" <srataero(at)hotmail.com> |
I just stumbled across this site looking for stuff to create a website for Swede.
I have to say that I'm truly touched by what everyone has to say about my
grandpa. He was an incredible man and we will miss him dearly. Thank you.
If anyone has a story or picture that are interested in sharing I'd love to add
it to my website (swederalstoncom) which I hope to have up in the next week or
so. In the meantime you can just e-mail me with it.
Thanks-
-Sarah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149808#149808
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
dan f
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| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:13:18 -0800From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.comSubject: C
ommander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07To: commander-li
st(at)matronics.com
Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
dan fCommander-List Digest Server wrote:
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
Dan Farmer wrote:
> Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
>
> dan f
>
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> Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
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> editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Me either....
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
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Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:13:18 -0800
From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
dan f
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Nope. Didn't get a thing. I thought maybe Steve and I have been sanctioned.
Good to hear folks are still out there flying.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
very cute, john
Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
Dan Farmer wrote:
> Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
>
> dan f
>
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> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version
> of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
> editor
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| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines and
is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single. All of
you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank the lord for
putting Ted Smith among us.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
very cute, john
John Vormbaum wrote:
Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
Dan Farmer wrote:
> Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
>
> dan f
>
> */Commander-List Digest Server /* wrote:
>
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>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
I'll chime in with a report. My new engines are complete, have
been test run with about 1.5 hours on each engine, and will ship
out today from Omaha, NE for Salinas, CA. I am sure it will take
the better part of a month to get them back on the airplane and
ready to fly. I am installing a JPI EDM-760 engine analyzer as
well. Can't wait to have my wonderful Commander back home and
flying. Have a great holiday everyone..!!
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Richard & Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
12/02/07
We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I
have officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on
two engines and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a
twin engined single. All of you go out today and give your
Commander a big hug and thank the lord for putting Ted Smith
among us.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dan Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
12/02/07
very cute, john
John Vormbaum wrote:
Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in
their
Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue
states...
Dan Farmer wrote:
> Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of
postings?
>
> dan f
>
> */Commander-List Digest Server /* wrote:
>
> *
>
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>
> Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in
either
> of
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Ha! A Twingle! That one will certainly end up in the permanent Aviation
Lexicon. Well done!
Perhaps if you feed the hamsters some higher calorie foods, they'll run
faster and the props will turn harder?
/J
Richard & Jacqui Thompson wrote:
>
> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>
> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> Farmer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
>
>
> very cute, john
>
> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>
> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Randy, that's great news. I'm excited that you'll be back in the air
soon. So who is in Omaha? Is it Columbia? I've heard they have more
IGSO-540 experience than anyone in the world.
I know you'll love your JPI, and on engines as delicate as yours,
there's a strong chance that the JPI will add great life to your
engines, or at the very least, give you plenty of warning so that you
don't have another expensive catastrophe.
Cheers,
/John
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
> Ill chime in with a report. My new engines are complete, have been
> test run with about 1.5 hours on each engine, and will ship out today
> from Omaha, NE for Salinas, CA. I am sure it will take the better part
> of a month to get them back on the airplane and ready to fly. I am
> installing a JPI EDM-760 engine analyzer as well. Cant wait to have
> my wonderful Commander back home and flying. Have a great holiday
> everyone..!!
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
> 680F/N6253X
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/***
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
> *Richard & Jacqui Thompson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:23 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>
> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> Farmer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
> very cute, john
>
> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>
> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>
> Dan Farmer wrote:
> > Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
> >
> > dan f
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Hey John,
I believe Columbia is in PA. Central Cylinder Service built my engines in
Omaha. They are excellent, and have acquired most of the inventory from
Lycoming for geared engines, so have a good supply of parts. They do all of
the Commanders operated by Suburban Air Freight, most of which are IGSO
540's. I have to take exception to your characterizing my engines as
"delicate". Super-charged engines that growl and put out 380 HP per side
are not "delicate". More like fire breathing monsters. They just take a
fine touch. I always like to think that "too much power is just about
right".
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
Randy, that's great news. I'm excited that you'll be back in the air
soon. So who is in Omaha? Is it Columbia? I've heard they have more
IGSO-540 experience than anyone in the world.
I know you'll love your JPI, and on engines as delicate as yours,
there's a strong chance that the JPI will add great life to your
engines, or at the very least, give you plenty of warning so that you
don't have another expensive catastrophe.
Cheers,
/John
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
> I'll chime in with a report. My new engines are complete, have been
> test run with about 1.5 hours on each engine, and will ship out today
> from Omaha, NE for Salinas, CA. I am sure it will take the better part
> of a month to get them back on the airplane and ready to fly. I am
> installing a JPI EDM-760 engine analyzer as well. Can't wait to have
> my wonderful Commander back home and flying. Have a great holiday
> everyone..!!
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
> 680F/N6253X
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/***
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
> *Richard & Jacqui Thompson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:23 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>
> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> Farmer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
> very cute, john
>
> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>
> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>
> Dan Farmer wrote:
> > Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
> >
> > dan f
> >
> > */Commander-List Digest Server /* wrote:
> >
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs
with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message
of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later
found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom'
mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order,
being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start
any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug
with a Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Hey Randy,
Great news. How many hamsters on high energy food do you need to make 380 hp
(Johns power measurement on Seminole engines)
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
Hey John,
I believe Columbia is in PA. Central Cylinder Service built my engines in
Omaha. They are excellent, and have acquired most of the inventory from
Lycoming for geared engines, so have a good supply of parts. They do all of
the Commanders operated by Suburban Air Freight, most of which are IGSO
540's. I have to take exception to your characterizing my engines as
"delicate". Super-charged engines that growl and put out 380 HP per side
are not "delicate". More like fire breathing monsters. They just take a
fine touch. I always like to think that "too much power is just about
right".
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
Randy, that's great news. I'm excited that you'll be back in the air
soon. So who is in Omaha? Is it Columbia? I've heard they have more
IGSO-540 experience than anyone in the world.
I know you'll love your JPI, and on engines as delicate as yours,
there's a strong chance that the JPI will add great life to your
engines, or at the very least, give you plenty of warning so that you
don't have another expensive catastrophe.
Cheers,
/John
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
> I'll chime in with a report. My new engines are complete, have been
> test run with about 1.5 hours on each engine, and will ship out today
> from Omaha, NE for Salinas, CA. I am sure it will take the better part
> of a month to get them back on the airplane and ready to fly. I am
> installing a JPI EDM-760 engine analyzer as well. Can't wait to have
> my wonderful Commander back home and flying. Have a great holiday
> everyone..!!
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
> 680F/N6253X
>
> *Dettmer Architecture*
>
> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>
> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>
> *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/***
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
> *Richard & Jacqui Thompson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:23 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>
> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> Farmer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
> very cute, john
>
> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>
> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>
> Dan Farmer wrote:
> > Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
> >
> > dan f
> >
> > */Commander-List Digest Server /* wrote:
> >
> > *
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| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Hamsters!
I like that.
Maybe Ill put a tiger in each tank to keep the rodents running. An old Esso
petrol ad PUT A TIGER IN YOUR TANK. Don't know if you had it in the States.
Pleased to report that the well traveled, lost, sold, don't know, fuel tanks
are actually in OZ and will be in my grubby paws soon. Now I have no more
plausible excuses for not finishing the 680E. saw something a while back
about a 680 in Germany that was named Donder Vogel (Thunder Bird). Seems
that as I am giving all my birds names Twingle,Swamp Rat,WIGUIWTBAC (when I
grow up I want to be a commander)Super Cub, Thunder Bird would be good
considering the fine green qualities that 680's have. Quiet, fuel efficient
and generally environmentally friendly.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
Ha! A Twingle! That one will certainly end up in the permanent Aviation
Lexicon. Well done!
Perhaps if you feed the hamsters some higher calorie foods, they'll run
faster and the props will turn harder?
/J
Richard & Jacqui Thompson wrote:
>
> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>
> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
> Farmer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
> 12/02/07
>
>
>
> very cute, john
>
> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>
> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>
> Dan Farmer wrote:
> > Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
> >
> > dan f
> >
> > */Commander-List Digest Server /* wrote:
> >
> > *
> >
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> > ========================
> >
> > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either
> > of
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Be a better pen pal.
>
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> * *
> **
> ****
> ******
> ************
> ****************
> ******************
> *********
> ****
> *********http://forums.matronics.com*********
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> *******************
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
LOL, nice, Richard. My Commander is also quiet, efficient and
environmentally friendly. Compared to the space shuttle. Oh, and
compared to the space shuttle, mine has low mileage on it too.
Glad to hear your fuel cells made the long trip.
/J
PS: We actually did have the "Put a Tiger in Your Tank" ads here in the
US, but I can't remember if it was Esso or another company (Sunoco?
Texaco?).
Richard & Jacqui Thompson wrote:
>
> Hamsters!
> I like that.
> Maybe Ill put a tiger in each tank to keep the rodents running. An old Esso
> petrol ad PUT A TIGER IN YOUR TANK. Don't know if you had it in the States.
>
> Pleased to report that the well traveled, lost, sold, don't know, fuel tanks
> are actually in OZ and will be in my grubby paws soon. Now I have no more
> plausible excuses for not finishing the 680E. saw something a while back
> about a 680 in Germany that was named Donder Vogel (Thunder Bird). Seems
> that as I am giving all my birds names Twingle,Swamp Rat,WIGUIWTBAC (when I
> grow up I want to be a commander)Super Cub, Thunder Bird would be good
> considering the fine green qualities that 680's have. Quiet, fuel efficient
> and generally environmentally friendly.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 8:43 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
>
>
> Ha! A Twingle! That one will certainly end up in the permanent Aviation
> Lexicon. Well done!
>
> Perhaps if you feed the hamsters some higher calorie foods, they'll run
> faster and the props will turn harder?
>
> /J
>
> Richard & Jacqui Thompson wrote:
>
>> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>>
>> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
>> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
>> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
>> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
>> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
>> Farmer
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
>> 12/02/07
>>
>>
>>
>> very cute, john
>>
>> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>>
>> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
>> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>>
>> Dan Farmer wrote:
>>
>>> Is anyone besides me getting "0" messages for the last week of postings?
>>>
>>> dan f
>>>
>>> */Commander-List Digest Server /* wrote:
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> ========================
>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>> ========================
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>>> of
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>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>>
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>> ******
>> ************
>> ****************
>> ******************
>> *********
>> ****
>> *********http://forums.matronics.com*********
>> ********** *******************
>> *******************
>>
>>
>> *******************
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
Randy,
Perhaps "delicate" was the wrong word. They absolutely are fire
breathing monsters. I guess I meant that the pilot must have a deft
touch, or at least not be as ham-fisted as us direct-drive guys. I think
I would be pretty nervous, managing my first descent & approach in an
IGSO-540-powered airplane if someone gave me one.
I didn't realize that there were freight companies still operating the
IGSO-540's. I was under the impression that parts were dwindling and
replacements of any kind are getting hard to come by. I sort of imagined
that the IGSO-series engines would be gone within the next 10-15 years
(I sure hope that DOESN'T happen!).
I agree with your "too much power" comment. I just saw a Military
Channel special on the McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom. They stated that
it is the heaviest fighter the US has ever produced. One of the
engineers who was interviewed stated that "the F-4 is proof that with
enough thrust, you can make anything fly." That's something that my
seniors have been telling me for years, and it gave me a good laugh to
see it on TV.
/J
PS: On the F-4, they pointed out its vicious & predatory appearance,
with the cantilevered wingtips & drooping horizontal stabilizers, and
mentioned that those were both band-aids on an aerodynamically miserable
airframe. The things you learn, 40 years past when it really matters....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
> Dettmer, AIA
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:54 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
>
>
>
> Hey John,
> I believe Columbia is in PA. Central Cylinder Service built my engines in
> Omaha. They are excellent, and have acquired most of the inventory from
> Lycoming for geared engines, so have a good supply of parts. They do all of
> the Commanders operated by Suburban Air Freight, most of which are IGSO
> 540's. I have to take exception to your characterizing my engines as
> "delicate". Super-charged engines that growl and put out 380 HP per side
> are not "delicate". More like fire breathing monsters. They just take a
> fine touch. I always like to think that "too much power is just about
> right".
>
> Randy
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:35 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07
>
>
> Randy, that's great news. I'm excited that you'll be back in the air
> soon. So who is in Omaha? Is it Columbia? I've heard they have more
> IGSO-540 experience than anyone in the world.
>
> I know you'll love your JPI, and on engines as delicate as yours,
> there's a strong chance that the JPI will add great life to your
> engines, or at the very least, give you plenty of warning so that you
> don't have another expensive catastrophe.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
>> I'll chime in with a report. My new engines are complete, have been
>> test run with about 1.5 hours on each engine, and will ship out today
>> from Omaha, NE for Salinas, CA. I am sure it will take the better part
>> of a month to get them back on the airplane and ready to fly. I am
>> installing a JPI EDM-760 engine analyzer as well. Can't wait to have
>> my wonderful Commander back home and flying. Have a great holiday
>> everyone..!!
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>
>> 680F/N6253X
>>
>> *Dettmer Architecture*
>>
>> *663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405*
>>
>> *805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865*
>>
>> *http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/***
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]*On Behalf Of
>> *Richard & Jacqui Thompson
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:23 PM
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
>> 12/02/07
>>
>> We are all awaiting the time to be merry.
>>
>> On the subject of airplanes. Seminoles are gutless wonders. I have
>> officially christened mine TWINGLE. Does not go so well on two engines
>> and is absolutely hopeless on one. So basically a twin engined single.
>> All of you go out today and give your Commander a big hug and thank
>> the lord for putting Ted Smith among us.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dan
>> Farmer
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 December 2007 7:38 AM
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs -
>> 12/02/07
>>
>> very cute, john
>>
>> */John Vormbaum /* wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah, where is everybody? Nobody has anything to say?
>>
>> I guess after the last political discussion, everyone hopped in their
>> Commanders and flew back to their respective red or blue states...
>>
>> Dan Farmer wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/02/07 |
I have not received any.
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I have not received any.
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
empire building' by George Bush. He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the
United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril
to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have
ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.' It
became very quiet in the room. Then there was a conference in France where a
number of International engineers were taking part, including French and
American. during a break one of the French engineers came back into the room
saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an
aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he
intended to do, bomb them?' A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly:
'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred
people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power
to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed
3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of
fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters
for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck..
We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?' Once again, dead
silence. A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At
a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of
Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was
chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral
suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans
learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak
English in these conferences rather than speaking French?' Without
hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it s because the Brits,
Canadians, Aussies and Americans Arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak
German.' You could have heard a pin drop
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it
is about and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know
anything about this?
MUST GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF MAINE?
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots are
wondering about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax bills in
the thousands of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an investment
advisor who lives in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22 frequently into
Maine to visit a summer home and other destinations, and as a volunteer
with Angel Flight. He's been doing that since 2003, but this year, he
got a tax bill from the state of Maine saying he owes them a "use tax"
that totals over $26,000 with interest. Kahn says he had no way of
knowing that flying in Maine would trigger the tax until he got the
bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he says.
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought the a/
c in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax (sales tax)
on *anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is discriminatory
, as I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars. (That would be gre
at for the tourist industry in maine if they charged each car owner $3-10k
to cross the border.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it is a
bout and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know anything about
this?
MUST GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF MAINE?<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avf
lash/1010-full.html#196716>
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots are wonderin
g about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax bills in the thousa
nds of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an investment advisor who l
ives in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22 frequently into Maine to visit a sum
mer home and other destinations, and as a volunteer with Angel Flight. He's
been doing that since 2003, but this year, he got a tax bill from the stat
e of Maine saying he owes them a "use tax" that totals over $26,000 with in
terest. Kahn says he had no way of knowing that flying in Maine would trigg
er the tax until he got the bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he say
s.
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Maine Aviation Use Tax |
I wondered if they did this to everyone that flies into Maine or only
because he owns a Summer home there? Any ideas. Just curious in case I
would fly into Maine sometime.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Campbell
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought
the a/c in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax
(sales tax) on *anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is
discriminatory, as I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars.
(That would be great for the tourist industry in maine if they charged
each car owner $3-10k to cross the border.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it
is about and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know
anything about this?
MUST GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF MAINE?
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots
are wondering about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax
bills in the thousands of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an
investment advisor who lives in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22
frequently into Maine to visit a summer home and other destinations, and
as a volunteer with Angel Flight. He's been doing that since 2003, but
this year, he got a tax bill from the state of Maine saying he owes them
a "use tax" that totals over $26,000 with interest. Kahn says he had no
way of knowing that flying in Maine would trigger the tax until he got
the bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he says.
Don
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
Isn't Maine one of those states we could just give back to Canada and nobody
would notice?
Robert Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought the a/c
in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax (sales tax) on
*anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is discriminatory, as
I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars. (That would be great for
the tourist industry in maine if they charged each car owner $3-10k to cross
the border.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it is
about and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know anything about
this?
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1010-full.html#196716> MUST
GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF MAINE?
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots are wondering
about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax bills in the thousands
of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an investment advisor who lives
in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22 frequently into Maine to visit a summer
home and other destinations, and as a volunteer with Angel Flight. He's been
doing that since 2003, but this year, he got a tax bill from the state of
Maine saying he owes them a "use tax" that totals over $26,000 with
interest. Kahn says he had no way of knowing that flying in Maine would
trigger the tax until he got the bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he
says.
Don
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| From: | "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
I was thinking the same thing. I'm from Maine originally and my brother/family
still lives there. I'm going to forward this note to see if he can find out
the "skinny" on this. There must be some connection with the "residence" issue.
Pretty shocking. Maine is pretty brutal on property taxes though (especially compared
to Delaware), so wouldn't be at all surprised.
When my father was living with us, he quickly changed his address (and registration
on N2760B) to Delaware for this very reason.
Matt
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Don [dongirod(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
I wondered if they did this to everyone that flies into Maine or only because he
owns a Summer home there? Any ideas. Just curious in case I would fly into
Maine sometime.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Campbell<mailto:brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought the a/c in
Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax (sales tax) on *anyone*
who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is discriminatory, as I doubt
they enfore the same policy on, say, cars. (That would be great for the tourist
industry in maine if they charged each car owner $3-10k to cross the border.
Bruce
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax [bcc][faked-from][html-rem] |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
There was an NBAA article on this a couple of years ago. From what I
recall, this is a common thing to happen to jet owners, however, the
initial bill is for the entire use tax. The actual tax owed is a
percentage of that tax equal to the fraction of time the plane actually
spends in the state in question. For example, if the guy spends a month
a year in Maine, then the tax bill would be 1/12 of the $26,000 bill.
Then, that amount is reduced by 1/12 of the sales or use tax he paid in
his home state, so he may end up owing nothing.
It's not surprising that governments would actively seek things they
haven't taxed and go all-out to tax them (even at the detriment of the
state).
Brock
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Bruce
Campbell
Sent: Thu 12/6/2007 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
[bcc][faked-from][html-rem]
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought the
a/c in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax (sales
tax) on *anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is
discriminatory, as I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars.
(That would be great for the tourist industry in maine if they charged
each car owner $3-10k to cross the border.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it
is about and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know
anything about this?
MUST GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF
MAINE?<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1010-full.html#19671
6>
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots are
wondering about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax bills in
the thousands of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an investment
advisor who lives in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22 frequently into
Maine to visit a summer home and other destinations, and as a volunteer
with Angel Flight. He's been doing that since 2003, but this year, he
got a tax bill from the state of Maine saying he owes them a "use tax"
that totals over $26,000 with interest. Kahn says he had no way of
knowing that flying in Maine would trigger the tax until he got the
bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he says.
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Maine Aviation Use Tax |
I don't think we'd want it...
Blessings,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Isn't Maine one of those states we could just give back to Canada and
nobody would notice?
Robert Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:59 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought
the a/c in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax
(sales tax) on *anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is
discriminatory, as I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars.
(That would be great for the tourist industry in maine if they charged
each car owner $3-10k to cross the border.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it
is about and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know
anything about this?
MUST GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF MAINE?
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots
are wondering about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax
bills in the thousands of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an
investment advisor who lives in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22
frequently into Maine to visit a summer home and other destinations, and
as a volunteer with Angel Flight. He's been doing that since 2003, but
this year, he got a tax bill from the state of Maine saying he owes them
a "use tax" that totals over $26,000 with interest. Kahn says he had no
way of knowing that flying in Maine would trigger the tax until he got
the bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he says.
Don
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
David,
Good one, David, I'm going to use that.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
At 03:30 7/12/2007, you wrote:
>
>
> When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
>the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
>empire building' by George Bush. He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the
>United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril
>to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have
>ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.' It
>became very quiet in the room. Then there was a conference in France where a
>number of International engineers were taking part, including French and
>American. during a break one of the French engineers came back into the room
>saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an
>aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he
>intended to do, bomb them?' A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly:
>'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred
>people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power
>to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed
>3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of
>fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters
>for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck..
>We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?' Once again, dead
>silence. A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included
>Admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At
>a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of
>Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was
>chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral
>suddenly complained that, 'whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans
>learn only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak
>English in these conferences rather than speaking French?' Without
>hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe it s because the Brits,
>Canadians, Aussies and Americans Arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak
>German.' You could have heard a pin drop
>
>
>David Owens
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| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
Careful, now! There's folks from Maine on this list! :)
Matt
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On Behalf Of andrew.bridget(at)telus.net [andrew.bridget(at)telus.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
I don't think we'd want it...
Blessings,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo<mailto:rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Isnt Maine one of those states we could just give back to Canada and nobody would
notice?
Robert Randazzo
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| Subject: | Negative Gs and Barf Bags Don't Mix |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
It's not as bad as it could be, but it's pretty bad (and yet, still
funny):
http://www.shoutfile.com/v/jrmLh49P/Barf_Bags_Dont_Work_at_0_Gs
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
If any of them run into my mom in law- it wasn't me that suggested it. :-p
Robert Randazzo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Careful, now! There's folks from Maine on this list! :)
Matt
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[owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget(at)telus.net [andrew.bridget(at)telus.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
I don't think we'd want it...
Blessings,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo<mailto:rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Isn't Maine one of those states we could just give back to Canada and nobody
would notice?
Robert Randazzo
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| Subject: | Re: Maine Aviation Use Tax |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
>
>
> Careful, now! There's folks from Maine on this list! :)
>
> Matt
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> [owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> andrew.bridget(at)telus.net [andrew.bridget(at)telus.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:16 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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>
> I don't think we'd want it...
>
> Blessings,
> Andrew
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert S. Randazzo<mailto:rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
>
> Isnt Maine one of those states we could just give back to Canada and
> nobody would notice?
>
> Robert Randazzo
>
>
>
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| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
When I was based in NH, either NH or Maine had it so that you had to have a
state pilot's license or they would fine you heavily.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
I was thinking the same thing. I'm from Maine originally and my
brother/family still lives there. I'm going to forward this note to see if
he can find out the "skinny" on this. There must be some connection with
the "residence" issue.
Pretty shocking. Maine is pretty brutal on property taxes though
(especially compared to Delaware), so wouldn't be at all surprised.
When my father was living with us, he quickly changed his address (and
registration on N2760B) to Delaware for this very reason.
Matt
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[owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
[dongirod(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
I wondered if they did this to everyone that flies into Maine or only
because he owns a Summer home there? Any ideas. Just curious in case I
would fly into Maine sometime.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Campbell<mailto:brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought the a/c
in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax (sales tax) on
*anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is discriminatory, as
I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars. (That would be great for
the tourist industry in maine if they charged each car owner $3-10k to cross
the border.
Bruce
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com <http://www.faithmugs.com/>
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
I don't know who put it together, but it hits the nail... Merry
Christmas all :)
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Maine Aviation Use Tax |
I think we should give it to Mexico.
bilbo
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Isn't Maine one of those states we could just give back to Canada and nobody
would notice?
Robert Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
Seems to me that would be a good one to litigate.
The $26,000 is what he would have paid as sales tax if he had bought the a/c
in Maine. What they are saying is that they can levy use tax (sales tax) on
*anyone* who flys an a/c into maine. I presume this is discriminatory, as
I doubt they enfore the same policy on, say, cars. (That would be great for
the tourist industry in maine if they charged each car owner $3-10k to cross
the border.
Bruce
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Maine Aviation Use Tax
This was in an AVweb Flash email I got. I am interested as to what it is
about and how they figure out the tax bill. Anyone else know anything about
this?
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1010-full.html#196716> MUST
GA PILOTS STAY OUT OF MAINE?
That's the question that Steve Kahn and dozens of other pilots are wondering
about, after being hit by the state of Maine with tax bills in the thousands
of dollars for flying into the state. Kahn, an investment advisor who lives
in Boston, flies his Cirrus SR-22 frequently into Maine to visit a summer
home and other destinations, and as a volunteer with Angel Flight. He's been
doing that since 2003, but this year, he got a tax bill from the state of
Maine saying he owes them a "use tax" that totals over $26,000 with
interest. Kahn says he had no way of knowing that flying in Maine would
trigger the tax until he got the bill. "It's so unreasonable and unfair," he
says.
Don
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AMEN!!? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: David Owens <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 7:43 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pin Drop...
I don't know who put it together, but it hits the nail... Merry Christmas all?
:)
?
?
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?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Ill=C2- take a couple.=C2- jb
-----Original Message-----
From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 7:07 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I=99ll m
ake a couple. I=99d like to have an idea of quantity because there are
fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
=C2-
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
=C2-
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
=C2-
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site loo
king for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with say
ings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
=C2-
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of pe
ace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised Christia
n. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or evil secula
r humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found out the Beati
tudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had some good st
uff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy that he is.
=C2-
I'd like to=C2-give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start a
ny political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
=C2-
Happy Hanukkah!
=C2-
Steve
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
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| Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
It still takes energy to charge the stinking?things, and since we get most (75%)
from burning?coal, what is the difference? If they would let us build new nuke
power plants to charge them, maybe.? Na, I dont think even then? :-)? jb
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime
soon. That's my opinion anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
?
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & Detroit quashing
electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no air filters, no spark
plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires essentially, maybe with the occasional
motor or battery being replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts,
would essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going
all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get
there, so your piston business would be healthy for years to come.?
?
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric Car" special
about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran them through a crusher
despite the best efforts of the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was
GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great
car didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some
issues including crappy range.?
?
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime
soon. That's my opinion anyway.?
?
/J?
?
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:?
>?
> John,?
>?
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance??
>?
> Moe?
> N680RR?
> 680F(p)?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John?
> Vormbaum?
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM?
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com?
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream?
>?
>?
> Steve,?
>?
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That?
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto?
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in?
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto?
> industry.?
>?
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be?
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to?
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the?
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just?
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and?
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very?
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.?
>?
> /John?
>?
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun?
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a?
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes?
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Read this topic online here:?
>?
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> ?
?
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| Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
AMEN BROTHER, Long live my 1967 SS 427 El Camino!!? jb
the hot
rodding spirit is still alive.
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe - Ross Racing Pistons <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:59 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
John,
Our industry, much like the tobacco industry is in a slow decline, and has
been for some time. Several years ago nearly every car at the race track or
strip had eight pistons, eight spark plugs and on and on. Now most have
only four. Over one half of our customers who once owned independent
garages have bit the dust in the last 10 years. Since I am retiring next
month I am not as concerned as I once was. The hybrids will be very high
maintenance as they get older. They will require a different skill set than
the average mechanic has today. Try doing a brake job on a car that uses
alternators as a part of the braking system. Battery disposal will be
challenging.
In 1964 (my first year in the racing business) the death of the internal
combustion engine was announced. Andy Granatelli had almost won Indy with
the Novi and Chrysler was driving the turbines around and loaning them to
people. Forty three years later........
My understanding is that GM called in the EV1 cars for much the same reasons
that the Starship planes were purchased quietly and shredded.
If you want to feel some good honest acceleration ride in a Pious that has
the electrical (instant torque with a slider clutch installed)and gasoline
engine both running at the same time (a minor modification) ...the hot
rodding spirit is still alive.
Moe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil &
Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no
air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires
essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being replaced.
A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone.
Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going all electric
overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get there, so
your piston business would be healthy for years to come.
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric
Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran
them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all
lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all
conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the
world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including crappy
range.
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered
cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
/J
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
>
> John,
>
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance?
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches.
That
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor
in
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto
> industry.
>
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.
>
> /John
>
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for
a
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
>
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
I'll buy two.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Ill take a couple. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 7:07 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs,
I=99ll make a couple. I=99d like to have an idea of quantity
because there are fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's
site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made
mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message
of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later
found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom'
mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order,
being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start
any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug
with a Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?C
ommander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Same here!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Ill take a couple. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 7:07 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs,
I=99ll make a couple. I=99d like to have an idea of quantity
because there are fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's
site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made
mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message
of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later
found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom'
mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order,
being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start
any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug
with a Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?C
ommander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
Their argument is that emissions are much easier to control when emitted
from a few central locations (think coal burning plants) vs. 100 million
mini-emitters (think combustion cars). I don't know if that's true, but
it IS probably easier to clean up one giant coal plant than 25,000,000
cars...
yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
> It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we get
> most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they would
> let us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe. Na, I dont
> think even then :-) jb
>
> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> >
>
> Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil &
> Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no
> air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires
> essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being
> replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would
> essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining
> going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+
> years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy for years
> to come.
>
> The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric
> Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran
> them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all
> lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all
> conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the
> world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including
> crappy range.
>
> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered
> cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
>
> /J
>
> Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me.
> Resistance?
> >
> > Moe
> > N680RR
> > 680F(p)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of John
> > Vormbaum
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning
> wrenches. That
> > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The
> auto
> > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one
> factor in
> > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto
> > industry.
> >
> > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be
> > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's
> not to
> > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the
> > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I
> just
> > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the
> track, and
> > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very
> > exciting electric cars on the horizon.
> >
> > /John
> >
> > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all
> the gun
> > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political
> party for a
> > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which
> makes
> > me welcome on neither side of the fence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
I think we should be putting a small nuke plant under each Quickie Mart.
You can pay your electric bill while you get gas. And a couple of Twinkies
for the road.
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we get most
(75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they would let us build
new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe. Na, I dont think even then
:-) jb
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars
anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & Detroit
quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no air filters,
no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires essentially, maybe with
the occasional motor or battery being replaced. A whole sub-industry,
maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy
nuts are imagining going all electric overnight. In reality it would
probably take 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be
healthy for years to come.
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric Car"
special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran them through
a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all lessees) to keep them.
It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that
this great car didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car,
but had some issues including crappy range.
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars
anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
/J
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
>
> John,
>
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance?
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches.
That
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor
in
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto
> industry.
>
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.
>
> /John
>
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for
a
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Nico,
Do you still have a link to that Orenda video. The link above no longer works.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151159#151159
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| From: | "Myron Ashley" <mashley2(at)kc.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll
make a couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are
fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's
site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made
mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message
of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later
found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom'
mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order,
being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start
any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug
with a Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?C
ommander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
Sure, Milt.
Go to www.aerocommander.com click on STC Holders which will open the page
dealing with the Orenda and the video can be viewed from there.
Let me know if you have problems.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:51 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....
-->
Nico,
Do you still have a link to that Orenda video. The link above no longer
works.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151159#151159
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some requested
to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be prudent,
so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best (perhaps a
competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells me they should
be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictures, what do you
say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. Just a thought.
So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on a coffee mug
(mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the product. Say
a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Myron Ashley
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Put me down for two mugs.
Ga
ry Giesler
N5
00RX
From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE:
Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:07:20 -0800
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I=92ll make a
couple. I=92d like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed cos
ts etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve WSent: Tuesday, December 04, 200
7 4:16 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Commander-List: Off Topic
: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site lo
oking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with s
ayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of p
eace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised Christ
ian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or evil sec
ular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found out the B
eatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had some go
od stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy that he
is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any p
olitical debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a Co
mmander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?
Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
You can put me down for two as well.
Bert
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:39:03
To:
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Put me down for two mugs.
Gary Giesler
N500RX
----------------
From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:07:20 -0800
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, Ill make a couple.
Id like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs etc. Let me
know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com <http://www.faithmugs.com/>
----------------
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site looking
for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with sayings
on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of peace,
justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised Christian. But
I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or evil secular humanist;
it's hard to argue with the message. I later found out the Beatitudes are
among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had some good stuff on it.
Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like togive a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any political
debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a Commander
on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Nico;
How do you suggest we send you our photo's
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some
requested to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that
would be prudent, so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick
the best (perhaps a competition?) and then we will burn those. My
gut-feel tells me they should be of original design, so perhaps we could
use our own pictures, what do you say? We can manufacture one-offs, too,
and personalize them. Just a thought. So, if you have a favorite picture
you would like to see on a coffee mug (mug on a mug?) send them to me,
so we can start evaluating the product. Say a generic range and one-offs
for personalized ones.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Myron
Ashley
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll
make a couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are
fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's
site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made
mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a
message of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was
not raised Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian,
Muslim, Jew, or evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the
message. I later found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites.
The 'Wisdom' mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into
my order, being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to
start any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a
mug with a Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
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12/8/2007 11:59 AM
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
Jim,
I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the
electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas
powered cousin. True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a
given distance the thing should just use a lot less of it wherever that
energy comes from. I don't imagine it can be as rewarding as a 427
sucking through the secondaries, or even a hyper-four coming on cam, but
I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride in something other than a
stock Pious.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we get
most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they would let
us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe. Na, I dont think
even then :-) jb
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil &
Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no
air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires
essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being replaced.
A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone.
Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going all electric
overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get there, so
your piston business would be healthy for years to come.
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric
Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran
them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all
lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all
conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the
world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including crappy
range.
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered
cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
/J
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
>
> John,
>
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me.
Resistance?
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning
wrenches. That
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The
auto
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one
factor in
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the
auto
> industry.
>
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should
be
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's
not to
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out
the
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I
just
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the
track, and
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some
very
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.
>
> /John
>
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all
the gun
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political
party for a
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which
makes
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Three or four anyway.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll
make a couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are
fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's
site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made
mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message
of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later
found out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom'
mug, also had some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order,
being the decent guy that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start
any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug
with a Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?C
ommander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
This is a good air show site.
http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=022754bc
Jim A
N444BD
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of.... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Thanks Nico.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151201#151201
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Nico,
Put me down for at least two "generic" mugs --- what size are they going to be?
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
ZK-DCF
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At 05:17 9/12/2007, you wrote:
>Three or four anyway.
>
>Steve
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>nico css
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:07 PM
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
>If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll
>make a couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there
>are fixed costs etc. Let me know, guys.
>
>Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
>
>Nico
><http://www.faithmugs.com>www.faithmugs.com
>
>
>----------
>From:
>owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
>Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
>After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's
>site looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he
>made mugs with sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
>
>The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a
>message of peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and
>was not raised Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether
>Christian, Muslim, Jew, or evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue
>with the message. I later found out the Beatitudes are among my
>wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had some good stuff on it.
>Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy that he is.
>
>I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to
>start any political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we
>get a mug with a Commander on them?
>
>Happy Hanukkah!
>
>Steve
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
>
>http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Well that took about 2 hours..LOL
bilbo
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of JTAddington
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: air show
This is a good air show site.
http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=022754bc
Jim A
N444BD
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| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello,
Is there an stc for new amp/volt gauges for a straight 500? Or does anyone
have 2 for sale and if so how much?? It has Delco Remy Generators.
Thanks,
Roland Gilliam ( nico, put me down for at least 2 mugs)
_________________________________________________________________
Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120
07
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| Subject: | Re: Premium dollar for the right cream |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I wonder if that is really true?? It is rare that you can create energy (burning
coal, combustion),? transfer it to another location (hi tention lines),?? Change
the basic foundation (A-C to D-C) then load it into a storage battery, and
use the energy.? Maby, but ill bet it is not?s effecient as a moden gas engine,
(not my 427!!)?? jb
All things being equal, the electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient
than its gas powered cousin.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:15 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Jim,
?
I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the electric
powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas powered cousin.
True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a given distance the thing
should just use a lot less of it wherever that energy comes from. I don't imagine
it can be as rewarding as a 427 sucking through the secondaries, or even a
hyper-four coming on cam, but I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride
in something other than a stock Pious.
?
Steve
?
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
It still takes energy to charge the stinking?things, and since we get most (75%)
from burning?coal, what is the difference? If they would let us build new nuke
power plants to charge them, maybe.? Na, I dont think even then? :-)? jb
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime
soon. That's my opinion anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
?
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & Detroit quashing
electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no air filters, no spark
plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires essentially, maybe with the occasional
motor or battery being replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts,
would essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going
all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get
there, so your piston business would be healthy for years to come.?
?
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric Car" special
about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran them through a crusher
despite the best efforts of the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was
GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great
car didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some
issues including crappy range.?
?
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime
soon. That's my opinion anyway.?
?
/J?
?
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:?
>?
> John,?
>?
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance??
>?
> Moe?
> N680RR?
> 680F(p)?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John?
> Vormbaum?
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM?
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com?
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream?
>?
>?
> Steve,?
>?
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That?
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto?
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in?
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto?
> industry.?
>?
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be?
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to?
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the?
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just?
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and?
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very?
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.?
>?
> /John?
>?
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun?
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a?
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes?
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Read this topic online here:?
>?
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> ?
?
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If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill your
pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4 race
cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes )
http://www.teslamotors.com/
Check it out,
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve W
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Jim,
I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the
electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas
powered cousin. True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a
given distance the thing should just use a lot less of it wherever that
energy comes from. I don't imagine it can be as rewarding as a 427
sucking through the secondaries, or even a hyper-four coming on cam, but
I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride in something other than a
stock Pious.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we get
most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they would let
us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe. Na, I dont think
even then :-) jb
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil &
Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no
air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires
essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being replaced.
A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would essentially be gone.
Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going all electric
overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get there, so
your piston business would be healthy for years to come.
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric
Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran
them through a crusher despite the best efforts of the owners (all
lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all
conspiring to make sure that this great car didn't revolutionize the
world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some issues including crappy
range.
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered
cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
/J
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
>
> John,
>
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me.
Resistance?
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning
wrenches. That
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The
auto
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one
factor in
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the
auto
> industry.
>
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should
be
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's
not to
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out
the
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I
just
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the
track, and
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some
very
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.
>
> /John
>
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all
the gun
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political
party for a
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which
makes
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
Tesla is right up the road from me, and let me tell you, those cars RIP.
Torque curve is constant, so the 0-60 in 4 sec. also translates to
70-130 in 4 sec. Pretty scary, eh? If they are actually good for 250
miles between charges, they'll probably sell quite a few.
/J
Victor C. Rupert wrote:
> If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill
> your pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4
> race cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes )
>
> http://www.teslamotors.com/
>
> Check it out,
>
> Victor
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve W
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> Jim,
>
> I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the
> electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas
> powered cousin. True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a
> given distance the thing should just use a lot less of it wherever
> that energy comes from. I don't imagine it can be as rewarding as a
> 427 sucking through the secondaries, or even a hyper-four coming on
> cam, but I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride in something
> other than a stock Pious.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we
> get most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they
> would let us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe.
> Na, I dont think even then :-) jb
>
> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> >
>
> Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil &
> Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes,
> no air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires
> essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being
> replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would
> essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining
> going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take
> 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy
> for years to come.
>
> The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the
> Electric Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them
> back and ran them through a crusher despite the best efforts of
> the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron,
> plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great car
> didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but
> had some issues including crappy range.
>
> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
>
> /J
>
> Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
> Pistons" >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me.
> Resistance?
> >
> > Moe
> > N680RR
> > 680F(p)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of
> John
> > Vormbaum
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning
> wrenches. That
> > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over.
> The auto
> > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably
> one factor in
> > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from
> the auto
> > industry.
> >
> > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you
> should be
> > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/
> What's not to
> > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check
> out the
> > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept
> car, I just
> > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the
> track, and
> > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are
> some very
> > exciting electric cars on the horizon.
> >
> > /John
> >
> > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on
> all the gun
> > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political
> party for a
> > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice,
> which makes
> > me welcome on neither side of the fence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
> >
> >
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Please send your pictures to nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Three or four anyway.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
I am thinking about doing them in two sizes, the 11 oz and 15 oz and
perhaps
on travel mugs. We'll play it by ear and see what gives us the best
product
mix. I'll keep you guys posted on the development. The first order of
business would be to get the designs going. Getting them onto the mugs
is
the easy part.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico,
Put me down for at least two "generic" mugs --- what size are they going
to
be?
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
ZK-DCF
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At 05:17 9/12/2007, you wrote:
Three or four anyway.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I=12ll
make a
couple. I=12d like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed
costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Steve
W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs
with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message
of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later
found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also
had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent
guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start
any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with
a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Email them to me at nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico;
How do you suggest we send you our photo's
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some requested
to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be prudent,
so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best (perhaps a
competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells me they should
be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictures, what do you
say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. Just a thought.
So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on a coffee mug
(mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the product. Say
a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Myron Ashley
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Release Date: 12/8/2007 11:59 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
Folks,
Interestingly, the Toyota Prius has about the same fuel consumption
as the small Audi and VW 1.5lt TDI diesels, both city, country and
combined cycle fuel consumption tests.
For any vehicle, the on road costs are only part of the story, the
power source for the recharging, and the battery
material/cost/life/disposal is seldom included in the assessment of
electric vehicles. What will make a difference is if natural gas
powered power cells to produce the charge mature as a technology.
Rechargeable (with methanol, I think) power cells are already
available in small sized for things like laptop computers. Natural
gas powered power cells are available here (in non-commercial
quantity and quality) to recharge electric powered car batteries.
An interesting substitute for petroleum based fuels is hydrogen, BMW
is already selling H powered cars in Germany, the exhaust is water.
If the H comes from solar powered electrolysis, the cycle pollution
load is effectively nil, from nuclear almost nil, and no CO/CO2/Methane at all.
It won't be in my time, but expect aircraft to be one of the last
forms of transport to use liquid petroleum fuels, however the liquid
fuel is produced.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
ZK-DCF
----------
At 15:48 9/12/2007, you wrote:
>
>Tesla is right up the road from me, and let me tell you, those cars
>RIP. Torque curve is constant, so the 0-60 in 4 sec. also translates
>to 70-130 in 4 sec. Pretty scary, eh? If they are actually good for
>250 miles between charges, they'll probably sell quite a few.
>
>/J
>
>Victor C. Rupert wrote:
>>If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill
>>your pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a
>>3/4 race cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes
>>) http://www.teslamotors.com/
>>
>>Check it out,
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Nico - I plan to order 6 of the faith mugs - and would want some commander
mugs, but first things first. I showed them to my wife and she asked if the
y
were "dishwasher safe?" I had some cool Desert Storm mugs that are now just
plaine ol white mugs - chuckle. They got white like my hair did in the
interim.
LEt me know about the dishwasher issue and we'll do the faith order thru th
e
site and I'll email you about additional commander mugs.
thanks for your inspirational product!
bobf
N500GW
On 12/8/07, nico css wrote:
>
> Email them to me at nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:45 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> Nico;
>
> How do you suggest we send you our photo's
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some
> requested to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would
be
> prudent, so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best
> (perhaps a competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells m
e
> they should be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictur
es,
> what do you say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them.
> Just a thought. So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see
on
> a coffee mug (mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating
the
> product. Say a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Myron Ashley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> I would take 6.
> Myron Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
> couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed cost
s
> etc. Let me know, guys.
>
>
> Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
>
>
> Nico
>
> www.faithmugs.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
>
> After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
> looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs wi
th
> sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
>
>
> The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
> peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
> Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
> evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
> out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also
had
> some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent gu
y
> that he is.
>
>
> I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
> political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
> Commander on them?
>
>
> Happy Hanukkah!
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Nico - one other ting - Microwave safe? we drink a lot of coffee and warm i
t
up in the nucklear machine!
bobf
On 12/8/07, nico css wrote:
>
> Email them to me at nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Don
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:45 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> Nico;
>
> How do you suggest we send you our photo's
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some
> requested to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would
be
> prudent, so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best
> (perhaps a competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells m
e
> they should be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictur
es,
> what do you say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them.
> Just a thought. So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see
on
> a coffee mug (mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating
the
> product. Say a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Myron Ashley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> I would take 6.
> Myron Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
> couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed cost
s
> etc. Let me know, guys.
>
>
> Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
>
>
> Nico
>
> www.faithmugs.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
>
> After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
> looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs wi
th
> sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
>
>
> The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
> peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
> Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
> evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
> out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also
had
> some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent gu
y
> that he is.
>
>
> I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
> political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
> Commander on them?
>
>
> Happy Hanukkah!
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Yup, that too. The nucklear machine makes no impression on them. :-)
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico - one other ting - Microwave safe? we drink a lot of coffee and warm it
up in the nucklear machine!
bobf
On 12/8/07, nico css < nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
> wrote:
Email them to me at nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico;
How do you suggest we send you our photo's
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some requested
to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be prudent,
so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best (perhaps a
competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells me they should
be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictures, what do you
say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. Just a thought.
So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on a coffee mug
(mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the product. Say
a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Myron
Ashley
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Yes, Bob, they are dishwasher safe. We have been using them for over a year
and they are still as crisp as when they were new.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico - I plan to order 6 of the faith mugs - and would want some commander
mugs, but first things first. I showed them to my wife and she asked if they
were "dishwasher safe?" I had some cool Desert Storm mugs that are now just
plaine ol white mugs - chuckle. They got white like my hair did in the
interim.
LEt me know about the dishwasher issue and we'll do the faith order thru the
site and I'll email you about additional commander mugs.
thanks for your inspirational product!
bobf
N500GW
On 12/8/07, nico css wrote:
Email them to me at nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Thanks
Nico
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] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico;
How do you suggest we send you our photo's
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some requested
to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be prudent,
so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best (perhaps a
competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells me they should
be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictures, what do you
say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. Just a thought.
So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on a coffee mug
(mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the product. Say
a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Myron
Ashley
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: electric car |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Cool!!!? I have a 1979, 4sp survivor, it is Corvette #13 for me, and the newest
one I have owned.? jb
And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4 race cam for fun
-----Original Message-----
From: Victor C. Rupert <V-Man@V-Man.net>
Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 8:18 pm
Subject: Commander-List: electric car
If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill your pants off...?
And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4 race cam for fun.? (
I like Vettes that look like Vettes )?
?
http://www.teslamotors.com/
?
Check it out,
?
Victor
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve W
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
Jim,
?
I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the electric
powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas powered cousin.
True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a given distance the thing
should just use a lot less of it wherever that energy comes from. I don't imagine
it can be as rewarding as a 427 sucking through the secondaries, or even a
hyper-four coming on cam, but I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride
in something other than a stock Pious.
?
Steve
?
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
It still takes energy to charge the stinking?things, and since we get most (75%)
from burning?coal, what is the difference? If they would let us build new nuke
power plants to charge them, maybe.? Na, I dont think even then? :-)? jb
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime
soon. That's my opinion anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
?
Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil & Detroit quashing
electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes, no air filters, no spark
plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires essentially, maybe with the occasional
motor or battery being replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts,
would essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining going
all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take 30+ years to get
there, so your piston business would be healthy for years to come.?
?
The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the Electric Car" special
about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them back and ran them through a crusher
despite the best efforts of the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was
GM, plus Chevron, plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great
car didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but had some
issues including crappy range.?
?
Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas powered cars anytime
soon. That's my opinion anyway.?
?
/J?
?
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:?
>?
> John,?
>?
> As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me. Resistance??
>?
> Moe?
> N680RR?
> 680F(p)?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com?
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John?
> Vormbaum?
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM?
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com?
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream?
>?
>?
> Steve,?
>?
> I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning wrenches. That?
> opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over. The auto?
> maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably one factor in?
> the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from the auto?
> industry.?
>?
> If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you should be?
> looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/ What's not to?
> like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check out the?
> ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept car, I just?
> saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the track, and?
> its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are some very?
> exciting electric cars on the horizon.?
>?
> /John?
>?
> PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on all the gun?
> boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political party for a?
> libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice, which makes?
> me welcome on neither side of the fence.?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> Read this topic online here:?
>?
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958?
>?
>?
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
Bill, I agree with you that MPG is only part of the story. The carbon
footprint of manufacturing Priuses is far larger, I think, than you
would expect. Especially considering that as you mentioned, you can get
far better performance while sacrificing none of the efficiency by
buying the little Audi or VW.
Hydrogen in my mind will be a long time coming as a mass-consumed fuel,
simply due to the difficulty of creating the new infrastructure. That
and the fact that in the short run at least, solar-powered electrolysis
and dedicated nuke-powered electrolysis is a long time away; which means
that hydrogen will be produced using electricity produced from
petroleum-burning powerplants.....so you end up with the same
environmental problems, although at a higher efficiency.
Methanol fuel cells sound better; methanol by itself as a fuel is a
stopgap measure at best, as CO2 is still a byproduct (or is it CO) of
its combustion, and you have all the power/range problems that oil cured.
Just my $0.02, and worth every bit of what you all paid for it :-).
/J
W J R HAMILTON wrote:
> Folks,
> Interestingly, the Toyota Prius has about the same fuel consumption as
> the small Audi and VW 1.5lt TDI diesels, both city, country and
> combined cycle fuel consumption tests.
> For any vehicle, the on road costs are only part of the story, the
> power source for the recharging, and the battery
> material/cost/life/disposal is seldom included in the assessment of
> electric vehicles. What will make a difference is if natural gas
> powered power cells to produce the charge mature as a technology.
> Rechargeable (with methanol, I think) power cells are already
> available in small sized for things like laptop computers. Natural gas
> powered power cells are available here (in non-commercial quantity and
> quality) to recharge electric powered car batteries.
> An interesting substitute for petroleum based fuels is hydrogen, BMW
> is already selling H powered cars in Germany, the exhaust is water. If
> the H comes from solar powered electrolysis, the cycle pollution load
> is effectively nil, from nuclear almost nil, and no CO/CO2/Methane at all.
> It won't be in my time, but expect aircraft to be one of the last
> forms of transport to use liquid petroleum fuels, however the liquid
> fuel is produced.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
> ZK-DCF
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> At 15:48 9/12/2007, you wrote:
>>
>> Tesla is right up the road from me, and let me tell you, those cars
>> RIP. Torque curve is constant, so the 0-60 in 4 sec. also translates
>> to 70-130 in 4 sec. Pretty scary, eh? If they are actually good for
>> 250 miles between charges, they'll probably sell quite a few.
>>
>> /J
>>
>> Victor C. Rupert wrote:
>>> If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill
>>> your pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a
>>> 3/4 race cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes )
>>> http://www.teslamotors.com/
>>>
>>> Check it out,
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: electric car |
| From: | "Cate Chagnot" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Hi Guys,
I made a presentation last Thursday in Cheonju, South Korea at a renewable energy
conference. One of the presenters was from a lab in Germany that has really
advanced development of direct methane fuel cells.
>From what I can remember about the presentation the cost is running around $8000/kilowatt
for 1 to 2 kilowatt models and they're still having problems with
life of the fuel cell with recent versions running around 2000 hours before the
cell has to be replaced. Advancements are bound to come but they weren't addressing
the cost of fuel production, nor it's distribution. I can't remember exactly
what the efficiencies were but I think they're in the low 20% range if
that. I think it'll be awhile before we see practical fuel cells powering vehicles.
Solar cells have bottomed out around $3 /watt and once you add the installation
and electronics cost it's around $6/watt.
The argument for electric cars has to take in to account how the electricity is
produced and at what cost. The cars themselves are non polluting but if you're
using a coal fired plant to produce the electricity then you're just shifting
the pollution elsewhere (out of sight, out of mind?). If you use smaller, localized
biomass burning power plants to produce the electricity then not only
do you have 'net-zero' CO2 production (what you put into the atmosphere comes
out to grow the plant material) but you can take advantage of the reject heat
of power production in a CHP cycle to increase your overall efficiency of energy
usage.
--------
Cate
N4278S 680E
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
I'll take 6
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| Subject: | Re: electric car |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
That is exactly what I was eluding to in my post.? I don't think you ca gain any
real round unless you produce the electricity from a non polluting nuke plant.?
jb
The argument for electric cars has to take in to account how the electricity is
produced and at what cost. The cars themselves are non polluting but if you're
using a coal fired plant to produce the electricity then you're just shifting
the pollution elsewhere (out of sight, out of mind?).
-----Original Message-----
From: Cate Chagnot <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com>
Sent: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 8:45 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: electric car
Hi Guys,
I made a presentation last Thursday in Cheonju, South Korea at a renewable
energy conference. One of the presenters was from a lab in Germany that has
really advanced development of direct methane fuel cells.
>From what I can remember about the presentation the cost is running around
$8000/kilowatt for 1 to 2 kilowatt models and they're still having problems with
life of the fuel cell with recent versions running around 2000 hours before the
cell has to be replaced. Advancements are bound to come but they weren't
addressing the cost of fuel production, nor it's distribution. I can't remember
exactly what the efficiencies were but I think they're in the low 20% range if
that. I think it'll be awhile before we see practical fuel cells powering
vehicles. Solar cells have bottomed out around $3 /watt and once you add the
installation and electronics cost it's around $6/watt.
The argument for electric cars has to take in to account how the electricity is
produced and at what cost. The cars themselves are non polluting but if you're
using a coal fired plant to produce the electricity then you're just shifting
the pollution elsewhere (out of sight, out of mind?). If you use smaller,
localized biomass burning power plants to produce the electricity then not only
do you have 'net-zero' CO2 production (what you put into the atmosphere comes
out to grow the plant material) but you can take advantage of the reject heat of
power production in a CHP cycle to increase your overall efficiency of energy
usage.
--------
Cate
N4278S 680E
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151404#151404
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Nico - Just ordered your 6 mug faith set. Plan on my ordering 4 commander
mugs. Probably the genereic. Let us know and how to order when they are
ready.
thanks
bobf
On 12/8/07, nico css wrote:
>
> I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some
> requested to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would
be
> prudent, so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best
> (perhaps a competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells m
e
> they should be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictur
es,
> what do you say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them.
> Just a thought. So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see
on
> a coffee mug (mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating
the
> product. Say a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
>
> Thanks
> Nico
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Myron Ashley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> I would take 6.
> Myron Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
> If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
> couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed cost
s
> etc. Let me know, guys.
>
>
> Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
>
>
> Nico
>
> www.faithmugs.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
>
>
> After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
> looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs wi
th
> sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
>
>
> The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
> peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
> Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
> evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
> out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also
had
> some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent gu
y
> that he is.
>
>
> I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
> political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
> Commander on them?
>
>
> Happy Hanukkah!
>
>
> Steve
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Off Topic: Nico's Mugs |
Thanks, Bob. I'll let you all know when that's ready.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
Nico - Just ordered your 6 mug faith set. Plan on my ordering 4 commander
mugs. Probably the genereic. Let us know and how to order when they are
ready.
thanks
bobf
On 12/8/07, nico css wrote:
I had a fairly good response for Commander mugs, thanks guys. Some requested
to see them before we put them into a kiln - I think that would be prudent,
so I'll mock up some designs and have you folks pick the best (perhaps a
competition?) and then we will burn those. My gut-feel tells me they should
be of original design, so perhaps we could use our own pictures, what do you
say? We can manufacture one-offs, too, and personalize them. Just a thought.
So, if you have a favorite picture you would like to see on a coffee mug
(mug on a mug?) send them to me, so we can start evaluating the product. Say
a generic range and one-offs for personalized ones.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Myron
Ashley
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
I would take 6.
Myron Ashley
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
If you guys would be interested in purchasing Commander Mugs, I'll make a
couple. I'd like to have an idea of quantity because there are fixed costs
etc. Let me know, guys.
Thanks for the plug, Steve. They are really nice.
Nico
www.faithmugs.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Off Topic: Nico's Mugs
After all the political hooey of a week or so ago, I went to Nico's site
looking for clues as to what makes the right tick. I knew he made mugs with
sayings on them, and seemed one of the more thoughtful.
The first coffee mug I clicked on was the Beatitudes. I read a message of
peace, justice and mercy. I'm not a religious man, and was not raised
Christian. But I bought a mug anyway. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, or
evil secular humanist; it's hard to argue with the message. I later found
out the Beatitudes are among my wife's favorites. The 'Wisdom' mug, also had
some good stuff on it. Nico tossed one into my order, being the decent guy
that he is.
I'd like to give a plug to his company. (I REALLY DON'T want to start any
political debate here.) The mugs make nice gifts. Can we get a mug with a
Commander on them?
Happy Hanukkah!
Steve
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
I bet if you put about 2000 onions in the trunk, it could give a
semi-charge in case of emergency... :)... Of course then if you had a
need you would just haft to add some gatorade . If everyone drove golf
carts, it would cut down on the global warming fallacy...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
Also... Joe Horn For President.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
Also... Remember
Dr. John Christy, professor of Atmospheric Science at the University of
Alabama at Huntsville said: "I remember as a college student at the
first Earth Day being told it was a certainty that by the year 2000, the
world would be starving and out of energy. Such doomsday prophecies
grabbed headlines, but have proven to be completely false." "Similar
pronouncements today about catastrophes due to human-induced climate
change," he continued, "sound all too familiar and all too exaggerated
to me as someone who actually produces and analyzes climate
information."
The media, of course, like the exaggerated claims. Most are based on
computer models that purport to predict future climates. But computer
models are lousy at predicting climate because water vapor and cloud
effects cause changes that computers fail to predict. In the mid-1970s,
computer models told us we should prepare for global cooling.
Scientists tell reporters that computer models should "be viewed with
great skepticism." Well, why aren't they?
The fundamentalist doom mongers also ignore scientists who say the
effects of global warming may be benign. Harvard astrophysicist Sallie
Baliunas said added CO2 in the atmosphere may actually benefit the world
because more CO2 helps plants grow. Warmer winters would give farmers a
longer harvest season, and might end the droughts in the Sahara Desert.
Why don't we hear about this part of the global warming argument? "It's
the money!" said Dr. Baliunas. "Twenty-five billion dollars in
government funding has been spent since 1990 to research global warming.
If scientists and researchers were coming out releasing reports that
global warming has little to do with man, and most to do with just how
the planet works, there wouldn't be as much money to study it."
By JOHN STOSSEL
April 20, 2007
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| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Gents,
Since the start of the motor car slightly over 3,000 companies have been
established in the United States to manufacture automobiles. The three that
remain (Ford, GM, and Chrysler) are all a little shakey now. Telsa doesn't
have a very good chance.
Regards,
Moe
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: electric car
Tesla is right up the road from me, and let me tell you, those cars RIP.
Torque curve is constant, so the 0-60 in 4 sec. also translates to
70-130 in 4 sec. Pretty scary, eh? If they are actually good for 250
miles between charges, they'll probably sell quite a few.
/J
Victor C. Rupert wrote:
> If you are really interested in a decent electric this will thrill
> your pants off... And I drive an frame off resto '81Vette with a 3/4
> race cam for fun. ( I like Vettes that look like Vettes )
>
> http://www.teslamotors.com/
>
> Check it out,
>
> Victor
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve W
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> Jim,
>
> I don't think it's a one to one trade-off. All things being equal, the
> electric powered vehicle should be vastly more efficient than its gas
> powered cousin. True, you still need energy to drive them, but for a
> given distance the thing should just use a lot less of it wherever
> that energy comes from. I don't imagine it can be as rewarding as a
> 427 sucking through the secondaries, or even a hyper-four coming on
> cam, but I guess I should reserve judgement till I ride in something
> other than a stock Pious.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 08, 2007 12:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> It still takes energy to charge the stinking things, and since we
> get most (75%) from burning coal, what is the difference If they
> would let us build new nuke power plants to charge them, maybe.
> Na, I dont think even then :-) jb
>
> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 9:52 am
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
>
> >
>
> Well, the auto websites are rife with conspiracies about big oil &
> Detroit quashing electric cars. Electric cars mean no oil changes,
> no air filters, no spark plugs, etc....just wheel bearings & tires
> essentially, maybe with the occasional motor or battery being
> replaced. A whole sub-industry, maintenance and parts, would
> essentially be gone. Of course, the conspiracy nuts are imagining
> going all electric overnight. In reality it would probably take
> 30+ years to get there, so your piston business would be healthy
> for years to come.
>
> The wackiest thing I've seen on that is the "Who Killed the
> Electric Car" special about the Buick EV1. GM bought ALL of them
> back and ran them through a crusher despite the best efforts of
> the owners (all lessees) to keep them. It was GM, plus Chevron,
> plus the US Gov't. all conspiring to make sure that this great car
> didn't revolutionize the world. In truth, it was a good car, but
> had some issues including crappy range.
>
> Electric cars are coming. But they're not going to replace gas
> powered cars anytime soon. That's my opinion anyway.
>
> /J
>
> Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
> Pistons" >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > As a piston manufacturer that thought had not occurred to me.
> Resistance?
> >
> > Moe
> > N680RR
> > 680F(p)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of
> John
> > Vormbaum
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Premium dollar for the right cream
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'm with you! Luckily for me it's a hobby, so I enjoy turning
> wrenches. That
> > opportunity will be all but gone if the electric car takes over.
> The auto
> > maintenance industry would essentially end, which is probably
> one factor in
> > the amount of resistance (ha!) electric cars are getting from
> the auto
> > industry.
> >
> > If you're looking for excitement, the Prius is NOT where you
> should be
> > looking. Try the Tesla Roadster http://www.teslamotors.com/
> What's not to
> > like about 0-60 in 3.6 seconds and 130+ MPH top speed? Or check
> out the
> > ELIICA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliica Although a concept
> car, I just
> > saw a special on it on Discovery Channel. It did 320 kph on the
> track, and
> > its acceleration was far better than a Subaru WRX. There are
> some very
> > exciting electric cars on the horizon.
> >
> > /John
> >
> > PS: Incidentally, I'm a gun-totin' pilot as well. In fact, on
> all the gun
> > boards, my sigline is "Armed Pilot!" Sadly there is no political
> party for a
> > libertarian like myself. I'm adamantly pro-gun AND pro-choice,
> which makes
> > me welcome on neither side of the fence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=145958#145958
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: electric car |
At $98k/each, they'll sell about 100 of them to local venture
capitalists and wealthy tree-huggers, and that'll probably be it. If it
starts looking good for them, the big 3 & the oil companies will
probably find a way to put them out of business.
Moe - Ross Racing Pistons wrote:
>
> Gents,
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