Commander-Archive.digest.vol-cx
February 14, 2008 - April 06, 2008
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| Subject: | Re: best place to post commander 500B? |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Bob,
I have found barnstormers gets a lot of lookers but Trade a plane and The Controller.
Also sent you an e mail
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)msn.com> |
rm, contact leslie in the parts dept @ commanderaero 800-881-5580. gmc
> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:19:42 -0800> From: john(at)vormbaum.com> To: comma
nder-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fuel cap> > --> Comma
nder-List message posted by: John Vormbaum > > Ray,> > H
aving been through a fuel cap replacement myself, you're looking at > about
$300 for the original-style replacement. For just a little bit > more than
that, you can get a modern, lift-and-turn fuel cap. That's > what I did an
d I'm extremely happy. The chance of it coming unlocked in > flight and sip
honing fuel overboard is remote, especially compared to > the original styl
e.> > There are probably several sources on the list for these new-style >
caps....I'm sure someone will chime in.> > Cheers,> > /John> > Ray Mansfiel
d wrote:> > I haven't inquired in quite a while, but I am still in need of
a fuel > > cap for a model 680FLP Commander. Does anyone have one available
at a > > reasonable price? It's about 3" in diameter, with a zeus fastner
type > > post in the center which secures to the anti-siphon flap with a fl
at > > head screwdriver. The flat spring which keeps tension on the post is
> > nearly worn out, and I have to be real careful in securing the cap. >
> > > Thanks,> > > > Ray Mansfield> > 850-217-5185> > Destin, FL> >> > > >>
===> > >
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| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Ray,
Jack Chappell (Commander Doc) phone 501.724.3152.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fuel cap
I haven't inquired in quite a while, but I am still in need of a fuel cap
for a model 680FLP Commander. Does anyone have one available at a
reasonable price? It's about 3" in diameter, with a zeus fastner type post
in the center which secures to the anti-siphon flap with a flat head
screwdriver. The flat spring which keeps tension on the post is nearly worn
out, and I have to be real careful in securing the cap.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
Destin, FL
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Redding Fire Assignment |
Good Afternoon,
I am looking for some help identifying these two Commanders. Could you
please take a look at these and see if remember seeing them before.
Thanks,
Bert
_http://image30.webshots.com/466/4/74/79/2476474790010811593QnHnzu_fs.jpg_
(http://image30.webshots.com/466/4/74/79/2476474790010811593QnHnzu_fs.jpg)
_http://image64.webshots.com/464/4/30/77/2303430770010811593hKkKxD_fs.jpg_
(http://image64.webshots.com/464/4/30/77/2303430770010811593hKkKxD_fs.jpg)
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Redding Fire Assignment |
I figured it out.
SN 11338 N222ME 690A
_http://image30.webshots.com/466/4/74/79/2476474790010811593QnHnzu_fs.jpg_
(http://image30.webshots.com/466/4/74/79/2476474790010811593QnHnzu_fs.jpg)
SN 1841-33 N210HD 500S
_http://image64.webshots.com/464/4/30/77/2303430770010811593hKkKxD_fs.jpg_
(http://image64.webshots.com/464/4/30/77/2303430770010811593hKkKxD_fs.jpg)
Asked to fast for help.
Have a Great weeked.
Bert
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
I was flying to Mozambique when I paid a visit to my brother and his family
vacationing at a lake.
You will see the left undercarraige drooping slightly on the one fly-past
when I pulled a bit of G's because the 500's gear doesn't lock in place but
is held in the up position with hydraulic pressure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA
It's not possible for you to enjoy this as much as I did back then. :-D
Thanks
Nico
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08 |
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| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
680 on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TWIN-COMMANDER-680_W0QQitemZ280201257300QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280201257300
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08 |
amazingly quiet! I wondered the same thing. enjoyed Nicos home video on you
tube the other night and went down the rabbit trail of watching a bunch of
commander videos, Hoover's being the best of course
bobf
500B
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay, 6217D |
6217D has been listed on Trade-a-plane for some time for $99,000.
I made an offer but it was rejected.
Tylor Hall
On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:05 AM, N395V wrote:
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> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08 |
Since I posted a video where I was doing a couple of fly-by's with my
Commander the list went eirily quiet. That wasn't that bad, folks. :-)
Nico
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Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08 |
It has been quiet.
Hillary for President! Ted Kennedy for Vice President! Jane Fonda for
Secretary of State!
There...... That should do it.
That was a pretty airplane you posted Nico. Hope you're feeling better.
Shaun my camerman was shooting some video Thursday from the back of the
airplane with his little digital camera and helped put a video up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_OMp9xsAo
Steve
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08 |
Awesome.
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Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/22/08
It has been quiet.
Hillary for President! Ted Kennedy for Vice President! Jane Fonda for
Secretary of State!
There...... That should do it.
That was a pretty airplane you posted Nico. Hope you're feeling better.
Shaun my camerman was shooting some video Thursday from the back of the
airplane with his little digital camera and helped put a video up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_OMp9xsAo
Steve
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay, 6217D |
Tylor i did most of the maintance on N6217B for 12 Years
Harry
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From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680 on e bay, 6217D
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> 6217D has been listed on Trade-a-plane for some time for $99,000.
> I made an offer but it was rejected.
> Tylor Hall
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>> Milt
>> 2003 F1 Rocket
>> 2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay, 6217D |
Might be time tocut your offer in half and bid. You never know...
Robert S. Randazzo
On Feb 23, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Tylor Hall
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> I made an offer but it was rejected.
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> On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:05 AM, N395V wrote:
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>> Milt
>> 2003 F1 Rocket
>> 2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Jim Metsger (JimBob) Please Call.... |
Gang
...sorry for the e-mail blast to all...but I need JimBob to call me...
Jim Carroll
Seattle WA
206 261 6565
Thanks!
JPC
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Has anyone else seen the gorgeous Boeing 40C that was restored out in
Spokane? Good grief the thing is beautiful. I've put a zip file with
photos on our website. Save the zip file of Boeing pics.......
http://www.col-east.com/download.php
(There's also a wonderful recording of big band jazz by the United
States Airmen if you like that sort of stuff. That will only be up for a
few more days......)
Steve
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Morning Steve,
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to see that
machine last summer.
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
Have you seen the time compressed video that shows it being assembled?
Truly an awesome sight and an awesome machine.
Incidentally, there is a 40B hanging in the Museum of Science And Industry
right next to a Boeing 727.
If you can't make it to Spokane, but do get forced into visiting mayor
idiot's city, make the best of a bad situation and take the opportunity to visit
the museum.
They also have a beautiful example of the Travel Air Mystery Ship. That was
the first airplane that Walter Beech built which was way ahead of it's time.
For those of you who might wonder what business this information has on a
Bonanza website, Walter Beech was one of the founders of the Travel Air
Corporation. The first airplane built under the Beechcraft name was the Model
17.
Why was the first effort named the Model 17?
Because it was originally the Travel Air Model 17.
When Curtiss Wright Corporation decided to get out of the smaller aircraft
business, they shut down the Travel Air Division. Walter was President of
that division and he asked permission to take the design with him to start a new
corporation called Beech Aircraft Corporation. Eighteen designs later, we got
the Bonanza.(That isn't precisely true because the numbers were played with
along the way, but that is how the model 35 number was chosen).
The last design built by the Travel Air Division of Curtiss Wright
Corporation was a large open cockpit bi-plane, the Model 16.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:04:09 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
Has anyone else seen the gorgeous Boeing 40C that was restored out in
Spokane? Good grief the thing is beautiful. I've put a zip file with photos on
our
website. Save the zip file of Boeing pics.......
_http://www.col-east.com/download.php_ (http://www.col-east.com/download.php)
(There's also a wonderful recording of big band jazz by the United States
Airmen if you like that sort of stuff. That will only be up for a few more
days......)
Steve
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Morning Steve2 and the rest of the Commander list,
My apologies for the previous dissertation about Beech when Steve mentioned
the 40C. There is a Steve2 on the Beech List and I thought I was replying to
that list.
Once again, sorry for the error, but the Boeing 40C is truly a marvelous
project.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:35:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
Good Morning Steve,
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to see that
machine last summer.
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain
oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the
Steve that's a pain in the ass on the Commander list.
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front
of the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my
favorite of the old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one
on the ground.
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was
something I didn't know.
Steve2
Steve Welebny
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve2 and the rest of the Commander list,
My apologies for the previous dissertation about Beech when Steve
mentioned the 40C. There is a Steve2 on the Beech List and I thought I
was replying to that list.
Once again, sorry for the error, but the Boeing 40C is truly a
marvelous project.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:35:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
Good Morning Steve,
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to
see that machine last summer.
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I have sat in the pilot seat!!? It is truly a work of art.? I delivered a Murphy
Moose to Libby Montana and we all stopped on the way back to look at it.? It
was ready to fly, but waiting on the FAA paperwork.? jb
Has anyone else seen the gorgeous Boeing 40C that was restored out in Spokane?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 5:02 am
Subject: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
?AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature"
Has anyone else seen the gorgeous Boeing 40C that was restored out in Spokane?
Good grief the thing is beautiful. I've put a zip file with photos on our website.
Save the zip file of Boeing pics.......
http://www.col-east.com/download.php
?
(There's also a wonderful recording of big band jazz by the United States Airmen
if you like that sort of stuff. That will only be up for a few more days......)
?
Steve
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Morning Steve,
As long as you have an interest in older flying machines, you should try to
make a trip to Tullahoma, Tennessee, to visit the Beechcraft Heritage Museum.
It has the very first Travel Air ever built. Serial number one Travel Air
1000. There a great examples of many other machines with which Walter was
associated.
Where are you located and what are you flying these days?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 8:05:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain
oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the Steve that's
a pain in the ass on the Commander list.
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front of
the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of
the old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one on the ground.
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was something
I didn't know.
Steve2
Steve Welebny
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Hi Bob,
The Beech museum is in Tennesee? I'll make a point of getting there.
I used to volunteer at an aviation museum out on Long Island as a kid.
We had Lindberg's Jenny, a Thomas Morse Scout, all sorts of cool stuff.
More important maybe was rubbing shoulders with some real pioneers
volunteering at the museum. In between flying as photographer for my
dad, I had a great backgound working on aircraft and getting some Cub
and Champ time, and other stuff. Live in Vermont now, and just flying
Col-East's 500B, although over Christmas I did get to fly a J-3 on skis.
(I still have my Hatz CB-1 plans though.....)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve,
As long as you have an interest in older flying machines, you should
try to make a trip to Tullahoma, Tennessee, to visit the Beechcraft
Heritage Museum. It has the very first Travel Air ever built. Serial
number one Travel Air 1000. There a great examples of many other
machines with which Walter was associated.
Where are you located and what are you flying these days?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 8:05:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to
attain oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it.
I'm the Steve that's a pain in the ass on the Commander list.
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in
front of the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000
is my favorite of the old bipes, though the most I've done is get close
to one on the ground.
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was
something I didn't know.
Steve2
Steve Welebny
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Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
Living.
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Lucky dog!
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
I have sat in the pilot seat!! It is truly a work of art. I
delivered a Murphy Moose to Libby Montana and we all stopped on the way
back to look at it. It was ready to fly, but waiting on the FAA
paperwork. jb
Has anyone else seen the gorgeous Boeing 40C that was restored out
in Spokane?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 5:02 am
Subject: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail Signature"
Has anyone else seen the gorgeous Boeing 40C that was restored out in
Spokane? Good grief the thing is beautiful. I've put a zip file with
photos on our website. Save the zip file of Boeing pics.......
http://www.col-east.com/download.php
(There's also a wonderful recording of big band jazz by the United
States Airmen if you like that sort of stuff. That will only be up for a
few more days......)
Steve
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Steve,
Although I'm a California boy now, I grew up on Long Island. My family
still has the summer home/private beach on the north shore, Northport. I
go back every year. I've been to the Cradle of Aviation Museum there,
and when I was young my winter home was about 10 minutes from
Farmingdale (Republic) Airport. All my childhood memories tend to be
filled with images of Republic Aircraft Co. airplanes....
Where on LI were you?
/J
Steve at Col-East wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> The Beech museum is in Tennesee? I'll make a point of getting there.
>
> I used to volunteer at an aviation museum out on Long Island as a kid.
> We had Lindberg's Jenny, a Thomas Morse Scout, all sorts of cool
> stuff. More important maybe was rubbing shoulders with some real
> pioneers volunteering at the museum. In between flying as photographer
> for my dad, I had a great backgound working on aircraft and getting
> some Cub and Champ time, and other stuff. Live in Vermont now, and
> just flying Col-East's 500B, although over Christmas I did get to fly
> a J-3 on skis. (I still have my Hatz CB-1 plans though.....)
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* BobsV35B(at)aol.com
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2008 11:56 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
>
> Good Morning Steve,
>
> As long as you have an interest in older flying machines, you
> should try to make a trip to Tullahoma, Tennessee, to visit the
> Beechcraft Heritage Museum. It has the very first Travel Air ever
> built. Serial number one Travel Air 1000. There a great examples
> of many other machines with which Walter was associated.
>
> Where are you located and what are you flying these days?
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> 628 West 86th Street
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8502
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
>
> In a message dated 2/25/2008 8:05:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> steve2(at)sover.net writes:
>
> Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to
> attain oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job
> of it. I'm the Steve that's a pain in the ass on the Commander
> list.
>
> You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship
> in front of the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The
> Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the old bipes, though the
> most I've done is get close to one on the ground.
>
> I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That
> was something I didn't know.
>
> Steve2
> Steve Welebny
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
> AOL Living.
> <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
John,
My gosh, how many times I remember hearing "Northport Stacks" coming home
from the north west. Cradle of Aviation was where I volunteered as a kid.
The museum was just getting started. A lot of Fairchild and Grumman guys and
gals volunteered, and there seemed to be a running battle as to how much
each manufacturer could 'donate' the most. So much aviation history took
place there. It's such a shame so many of those old airports lost out to
development. You must remember Zahn's?My dad got his start instructing
instructing there in Cub's. We've got a chunk of the old runway
somewhere......
I still like the North Shore, though I grew up out east and spent a lot of
time on Great South Bay, around the communities of Islip. Got older and
moved to the north shore out east, but it kept developing and getting silly
expensive. Last lived in Rocky Point before moving away. Used to walk down
to the Sound most nights... Remember watching nor'easters from up on top of
the bluffs. Have sailed a few times out of Mt. Sinai Harbor.....
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
>
> Steve,
>
> Although I'm a California boy now, I grew up on Long Island. My family
> still has the summer home/private beach on the north shore, Northport. I
> go back every year. I've been to the Cradle of Aviation Museum there, and
> when I was young my winter home was about 10 minutes from Farmingdale
> (Republic) Airport. All my childhood memories tend to be filled with
> images of Republic Aircraft Co. airplanes....
>
> Where on LI were you?
>
> /J
>
> Steve at Col-East wrote:
>> Hi Bob,
>> The Beech museum is in Tennesee? I'll make a point of getting there.
>> I used to volunteer at an aviation museum out on Long Island as a kid.
>> We had Lindberg's Jenny, a Thomas Morse Scout, all sorts of cool stuff.
>> More important maybe was rubbing shoulders with some real pioneers
>> volunteering at the museum. In between flying as photographer for my dad,
>> I had a great backgound working on aircraft and getting some Cub and
>> Champ time, and other stuff. Live in Vermont now, and just flying
>> Col-East's 500B, although over Christmas I did get to fly a J-3 on skis.
>> (I still have my Hatz CB-1 plans though.....)
>> Steve
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* BobsV35B(at)aol.com
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2008 11:56 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
>>
>> Good Morning Steve,
>> As long as you have an interest in older flying machines, you
>> should try to make a trip to Tullahoma, Tennessee, to visit the
>> Beechcraft Heritage Museum. It has the very first Travel Air ever
>> built. Serial number one Travel Air 1000. There a great examples
>> of many other machines with which Walter was associated.
>> Where are you located and what are you flying these days?
>> Happy Skies,
>>
>> Old Bob
>> AKA
>> Bob Siegfried
>> Ancient Aviator
>> 628 West 86th Street
>> Downers Grove, IL 60516
>> 630 985-8502
>> Stearman N3977A
>> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
>> In a message dated 2/25/2008 8:05:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>> steve2(at)sover.net writes:
>>
>> Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to
>> attain oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job
>> of it. I'm the Steve that's a pain in the ass on the Commander
>> list.
>> You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship
>> in front of the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The
>> Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the old bipes, though the
>> most I've done is get close to one on the ground.
>> I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That
>> was something I didn't know.
>> Steve2
>> Steve Welebny
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
>> AOL Living.
>>
>> <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I'm too young to remember Zahn's, I moved away from there at age 9, only
to return every summer.....but the Northport Stacks are visible across
the meadow from our house there, and there were only 3 when I was a kid
(now there are 4, but they scrapped the plan to build 2 more). I've
heard that LILCO is the most polluting utility in the US, but that might
just be some angry treehuggers complaining. I've never seen more than 2
turbines operating at any one time.
The COA Museum is a testament to why we need to protect our airports.
It's essentially still a beautiful airfield...but only the ramp and
hangar section. No runways or taxiways!
I love Long Island. Few places are as beautiful in the summer as eastern
LI. A bit of my heart will always be there, and I'm hoping to keep the
property in the family for a few more generations...or until global
warming puts the house under water ;-). For that matter, we've lost a
few decks to nor'easters. Those are storms never to be trifled with,
either in an airplane or on a boat.
I've played golf all over LI, I like the great south bay.
The ONE thing I haven't done is flown my Commander from CA to NY. One of
my goals is to do a fly-by of the beach. I've done no flying in small
aircraft on LI, and it's a shame....I bet it's beautiful. I usually go
back once in May and once in September. If I go in my airplane this
year, I might go a little later so I can head up to VT/NH for a scenic
flight when the leaves change color.
/J
Steve at Col-East wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> My gosh, how many times I remember hearing "Northport Stacks" coming
> home from the north west. Cradle of Aviation was where I volunteered
> as a kid. The museum was just getting started. A lot of Fairchild and
> Grumman guys and gals volunteered, and there seemed to be a running
> battle as to how much each manufacturer could 'donate' the most. So
> much aviation history took place there. It's such a shame so many of
> those old airports lost out to development. You must remember
> Zahn's?My dad got his start instructing instructing there in Cub's.
> We've got a chunk of the old runway somewhere......
>
> I still like the North Shore, though I grew up out east and spent a
> lot of time on Great South Bay, around the communities of Islip. Got
> older and moved to the north shore out east, but it kept developing
> and getting silly expensive. Last lived in Rocky Point before moving
> away. Used to walk down to the Sound most nights... Remember watching
> nor'easters from up on top of the bluffs. Have sailed a few times out
> of Mt. Sinai Harbor.....
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
>
>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Although I'm a California boy now, I grew up on Long Island. My
>> family still has the summer home/private beach on the north shore,
>> Northport. I go back every year. I've been to the Cradle of Aviation
>> Museum there, and when I was young my winter home was about 10
>> minutes from Farmingdale (Republic) Airport. All my childhood
>> memories tend to be filled with images of Republic Aircraft Co.
>> airplanes....
>>
>> Where on LI were you?
>>
>> /J
>>
>> Steve at Col-East wrote:
>>> Hi Bob,
>>> The Beech museum is in Tennesee? I'll make a point of getting there.
>>> I used to volunteer at an aviation museum out on Long Island as a
>>> kid. We had Lindberg's Jenny, a Thomas Morse Scout, all sorts of
>>> cool stuff. More important maybe was rubbing shoulders with some
>>> real pioneers volunteering at the museum. In between flying as
>>> photographer for my dad, I had a great backgound working on aircraft
>>> and getting some Cub and Champ time, and other stuff. Live in
>>> Vermont now, and just flying Col-East's 500B, although over
>>> Christmas I did get to fly a J-3 on skis. (I still have my Hatz CB-1
>>> plans though.....)
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* BobsV35B(at)aol.com
>>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2008 11:56 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
>>>
>>> Good Morning Steve,
>>> As long as you have an interest in older flying machines, you
>>> should try to make a trip to Tullahoma, Tennessee, to visit the
>>> Beechcraft Heritage Museum. It has the very first Travel Air ever
>>> built. Serial number one Travel Air 1000. There a great examples
>>> of many other machines with which Walter was associated.
>>> Where are you located and what are you flying these days?
>>> Happy Skies,
>>>
>>> Old Bob
>>> AKA
>>> Bob Siegfried
>>> Ancient Aviator
>>> 628 West 86th Street
>>> Downers Grove, IL 60516
>>> 630 985-8502
>>> Stearman N3977A
>>> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
>>> In a message dated 2/25/2008 8:05:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> steve2(at)sover.net writes:
>>>
>>> Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to
>>> attain oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job
>>> of it. I'm the Steve that's a pain in the ass on the Commander
>>> list.
>>> You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship
>>> in front of the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The
>>> Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the old bipes, though the
>>> most I've done is get close to one on the ground.
>>> I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That
>>> was something I didn't know.
>>> Steve2
>>> Steve Welebny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on
>>> AOL Living.
>>>
>>> <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>>>
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>>> *
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Old Bob,
Where can one see the time-compressed video?
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain
oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the Steve
that's a pain in the ass on the Commander list.
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front of
the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my favorite
of the old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one on the
ground.
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was something
I didn't know.
Steve2
Steve Welebny
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve2 and the rest of the Commander list,
My apologies for the previous dissertation about Beech when Steve mentioned
the 40C. There is a Steve2 on the Beech List and I thought I was replying to
that list.
Once again, sorry for the error, but the Boeing 40C is truly a marvelous
project.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:35:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
Good Morning Steve,
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to see that
machine last summer.
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
_____
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
Living.
<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du
ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Steve, didn't you promise pictures of you and the J-3 on skis?
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Hi Bob,
The Beech museum is in Tennesee? I'll make a point of getting there.
I used to volunteer at an aviation museum out on Long Island as a kid. We
had Lindberg's Jenny, a Thomas Morse Scout, all sorts of cool stuff. More
important maybe was rubbing shoulders with some real pioneers volunteering
at the museum. In between flying as photographer for my dad, I had a great
backgound working on aircraft and getting some Cub and Champ time, and other
stuff. Live in Vermont now, and just flying Col-East's 500B, although over
Christmas I did get to fly a J-3 on skis. (I still have my Hatz CB-1 plans
though.....)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve,
As long as you have an interest in older flying machines, you should try to
make a trip to Tullahoma, Tennessee, to visit the Beechcraft Heritage
Museum. It has the very first Travel Air ever built. Serial number one
Travel Air 1000. There a great examples of many other machines with which
Walter was associated.
Where are you located and what are you flying these days?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 8:05:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain
oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the Steve
that's a pain in the ass on the Commander list.
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front of
the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my favorite
of the old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one on the
ground.
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was something
I didn't know.
Steve2
Steve Welebny
_____
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL
Living.
<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du
ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Evening Nico,
It was floating around the web a few weeks ago. Unfortunately, I did not
save it. If I can locate it, I will post it, but I will bet the builder has a
website. Unfortunately, I have misplaced that as well!
Happy Skies,
Do Not Archive
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 9:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
Old Bob,
Where can one see the time-compressed video?
Nico
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Evening Once Again Nico,
I believe the timed assembly shot is on the Pemberton's website, but I can't
seem to get it to work!
Give it a try yourself at: _www.pembertonandsons.com_
(http://www.pembertonandsons.com)
Hope it works for you!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 9:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
Old Bob,
Where can one see the time-compressed video?
Nico
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com |
| Subject: | Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
All,
I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
can't find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong
specs on the turbo Commanders.
Thanks for any help.
...still shopping....
Larry Olson
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I ave flown one.? Last summer I moved a Travel air 4000 from Oregon to Washington
state.? I got to fly it several additional times through the summer.? Not the
best flying old biplane I have flow?(I have flown several including a couple
UPF7s, a CK Bird and others)? The are really cool to look at.? If I could post
pix here I have some super shots flying it up the Columbia river.? jb
Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the old bipes,
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 6:03 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain oneness,
though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the Steve that's a pain
in the ass on the Commander list.
?
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front of the Travel
Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the
old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one on the ground.
?
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was something I
didn't know.
?
Steve2
Steve Welebny
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve2 and the rest of the Commander list,
?
My apologies for the previous dissertation about Beech when Steve mentioned the
40C. There is a Steve2 on the Beech List and I thought I was replying to that
list.
?
Once again, sorry for the error, but the Boeing 40C is truly a marvelous project.
?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
?
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:35:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, BobsV35B(at)aol.com
writes:
Good Morning Steve,
?
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to see that machine
last summer.
?
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a lot of
information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I am up at
4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal situation to
get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic schedule will end soon
and then I will pay attention to this.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
All,
I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I can't
find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong specs on the
turbo Commanders.
Thanks for any help.
...still shopping....
Larry Olson
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
Wow Nico, the mug business must be kicking butt!!!!!
nico css wrote:
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a lot of
> information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I am up at
> 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal situation to
> get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic schedule will end soon
> and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I can't
> find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong specs on the
> turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
JB, I'd love to see some shots of the Travel Air. The back side of the
Cascades have some beautiful country. I'd bet some others of the group
would enjoy them too. I could receive some emails to my work address
with attachments, and post some pics to our website for a couple
days.....
I know a number of old aircraft were great to look at, but not fly as
sweet as they looked. The 4000 would have been either an 'Elephant ear'
or speedwing?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
I ave flown one. Last summer I moved a Travel air 4000 from Oregon to
Washington state. I got to fly it several additional times through the
summer. Not the best flying old biplane I have flow (I have flown
several including a couple UPF7s, a CK Bird and others) The are really
cool to look at. If I could post pix here I have some super shots
flying it up the Columbia river. jb
Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the old bipes,
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 6:03 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain
oneness, though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the
Steve that's a pain in the ass on the Commander list.
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front
of the Travel Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my
favorite of the old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one
on the ground.
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was
something I didn't know.
Steve2
Steve Welebny
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve2 and the rest of the Commander list,
My apologies for the previous dissertation about Beech when Steve
mentioned the 40C. There is a Steve2 on the Beech List and I thought I
was replying to that list.
Once again, sorry for the error, but the Boeing 40C is truly a
marvelous project.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:35:31 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
Good Morning Steve,
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to
see that machine last summer.
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
I wish it would, John, but it's my computer business that is in a critical
phase right now, and that being what pays the bills, it gets every ounce of
my effort right now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
Wow Nico, the mug business must be kicking butt!!!!!
nico css wrote:
> -->
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a lot
> of information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> am up at 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> situation to get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic
> schedule will end soon and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> can't find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong
> specs on the turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
| From: | "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=" <John(at)vormbaum.com> |
Nico, I never actually knew what you did for a living. I also own a computer business
that keeps me on my toes. I hope things go well!
Sent from my CrackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:58:39
To:
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
I wish it would, John, but it's my computer business that is in a critical
phase right now, and that being what pays the bills, it gets every ounce of
my effort right now.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
Wow Nico, the mug business must be kicking butt!!!!!
nico css wrote:
> -->
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a lot
> of information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> am up at 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> situation to get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic
> schedule will end soon and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> can't find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong
> specs on the turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
It is an "Elephant Ear".? jb
'Elephant ear'
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 3:58 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
JB, I'd love to see some shots of the Travel Air. The back side of the Cascades
have some beautiful country. I'd bet some others of the group would enjoy them
too. I could receive some emails to my work address with attachments, and post
some pics to our website for a couple days.....
?
I know a number of old aircraft were great to look at, but not fly as sweet as
they looked. The 4000 would have been either an 'Elephant ear' or speedwing?
?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
I ave flown one.? Last summer I moved a Travel air 4000 from Oregon to Washington
state.? I got to fly it several additional times through the summer.? Not the
best flying old biplane I have flow?(I have flown several including a couple
UPF7s, a CK Bird and others)? The are really cool to look at.? If I could post
pix here I have some super shots flying it up the Columbia river.? jb
Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the old bipes,
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve at Col-East <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 6:03 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Aww that's ok Bob. I guess there's several Steve 2's trying to attain oneness,
though I don't think I'm doing a very good job of it. I'm the Steve that's a pain
in the ass on the Commander list.
?
You've got good taste. I've got a picture of the Mystery Ship in front of the Travel
Air factory on my office wall. The Travel Air 4000 is my favorite of the
old bipes, though the most I've done is get close to one on the ground.
?
I was glad to read about the numbering of Beech products. That was something I
didn't know.
?
Steve2
Steve Welebny
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Boeing 40C
Good Morning Steve2 and the rest of the Commander list,
?
My apologies for the previous dissertation about Beech when Steve mentioned the
40C. There is a Steve2 on the Beech List and I thought I was replying to that
list.
?
Once again, sorry for the error, but the Boeing 40C is truly a marvelous project.
?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
?
In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:35:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, BobsV35B(at)aol.com
writes:
Good Morning Steve,
?
Thelma Jean, Bob II, his wife Jessie, and I stopped at Spokane to see that machine
last summer.
?
It is even more impressive when seen in person.
Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather large
earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
Jim Addington
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Jim,
That's nice of you to enquire.
No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away,
about 165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs
when it happened.
She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at
some stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything
from them.
"They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it
happens. Look as if it's true!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: JTAddington
To: JTAddington
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather
large earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
Jim Addington
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Well, if my joints can predict the weather, then I suppose a bird can
predict a tremor.
:-D
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Hi Jim,
That's nice of you to enquire.
No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away, about
165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs when
it happened.
She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at some
stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything from
them.
"They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it
happens. Look as if it's true!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: JTAddington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather large
earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
Jim Addington
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Trainor, Todd (Storage Practice)" <Todd.Trainor(at)hp.com> |
6217D did not sell on eBay. Why do you suppose nobody wants that 680? It has
been in TAP for 3 months or so. I've heard good things about 680s, in general,
and a lot of good things about 6217D, specifically. Is he asking too much?
Is a 680 undesirable? Is there just no market for 680s? I'm not sure if I want
to offer a lower price for 17D and pay for a pre-purchase inspecition if I
am going to regret it later when I discover it is a hot potato.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 680 on e bay
-->
680 on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TWIN-COMMANDER-680_W0QQitemZ280201257300QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280201257300
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=165696#165696
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Barry, Glad to hear you are ok. That is interesting about the birds.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Hi Jim,
That's nice of you to enquire.
No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away, about
165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs when
it happened.
She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at some
stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything from
them.
"They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it
happens. Look as if it's true!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: JTAddington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather large
earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
Jim Addington
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Probably nothing wrong with the plane. Given fuel prices twins are just not selling
period. Add to that limited to no support for the engines and airframes it
is amazing that these planes sell at any price. You really gotta love em to
own one.
Call Harry Merrit in Florida, I think he used to maintain that particular plane.
Then decide to inspect it and make the guy an offer.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166604#166604
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay |
That's truly a pity that circumstances make certain things obsolete.
I am a 'don't fly a single engine plane over water, mountains, or large
cities' type of guy. There is just nowhere to land if one flies over the LA
met area, for instance, and some folks had to make do with a back yard, busy
freeway or a building's roof to get down. Should one trade the safety of a
spare fan for lower costs? I don't want to.
An additional engine would certainly double the chances of an engine failure
but it certainly cuts down on the probability of an unwanted landing.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: 680 on e bay
-->
Probably nothing wrong with the plane. Given fuel prices twins are just not
selling period. Add to that limited to no support for the engines and
airframes it is amazing that these planes sell at any price. You really
gotta love em to own one.
Call Harry Merrit in Florida, I think he used to maintain that particular
plane. Then decide to inspect it and make the guy an offer.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166604#166604
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay |
I own a 680 and have had it for a couple of years. Its a great airplane! I
also know Harry Merritt and if Harry tells you something you can take it to the
bank.(Good Guy) Don`t think you would be sorry at all for owning a good
680,more power than you will ever want and best all around performance of ANY
twin. Gil Walker
**************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
(http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/
2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
Glad you're all OK, Barry. Birds and other animals predicting earthquakes...
there was a National Geographic/Discovery Channel program on a while ago where
a couple of theories were put forward - one that the birds and animals hear
the 'infrasound' just before the 'quake, and another that there is a tremor in
the magnetic field that precedes the shock. All very interesting; things like
this make me wonder how life could have evolved by chance. There - that should
get the list active again! :-)
Regards,
Andrew
Quoting Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>:
> Hi Jim,
>
> That's nice of you to enquire.
>
> No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away, about
> 165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
> Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
>
> Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs when it
> happened.
> She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at some
> stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
> Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything from
> them.
> "They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it happens.
> Look as if it's true!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JTAddington
> To: JTAddington
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
>
>
> Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather large
> earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
>
> Jim Addington
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Andrew & Bridget... Life is no coincidence...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
It may get things started, but I think most will agree with you.
Jim Addington
500A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Glad you're all OK, Barry. Birds and other animals predicting earthquakes...
there was a National Geographic/Discovery Channel program on a while ago
where
a couple of theories were put forward - one that the birds and animals hear
the 'infrasound' just before the 'quake, and another that there is a tremor
in
the magnetic field that precedes the shock. All very interesting; things
like
this make me wonder how life could have evolved by chance. There - that
should
get the list active again! :-)
Regards,
Andrew
Quoting Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>:
> Hi Jim,
>
> That's nice of you to enquire.
>
> No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away,
about
> 165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
> Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
>
> Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs when
it
> happened.
> She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at some
> stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
> Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything
from
> them.
> "They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it
happens.
> Look as if it's true!
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JTAddington
> To: JTAddington
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
>
>
> Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather large
> earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
>
> Jim Addington
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
If there's a higher power guiding evolution, how do you explain professional
wrestling?
Or Milt?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Earth Quake
>
>
> It may get things started, but I think most will agree with you.
> Jim Addington
> 500A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
> Bridget Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:57 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Earth Quake
>
>
>
> Glad you're all OK, Barry. Birds and other animals predicting
> earthquakes...
>
> there was a National Geographic/Discovery Channel program on a while ago
> where
> a couple of theories were put forward - one that the birds and animals
> hear
> the 'infrasound' just before the 'quake, and another that there is a
> tremor
> in
> the magnetic field that precedes the shock. All very interesting; things
> like
> this make me wonder how life could have evolved by chance. There - that
> should
> get the list active again! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
> Quoting Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> That's nice of you to enquire.
>>
>> No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away,
> about
>> 165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
>> Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
>>
>> Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs
>> when
> it
>> happened.
>> She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at some
>> stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
>> Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything
> from
>> them.
>> "They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it
> happens.
>> Look as if it's true!
>>
>> Very Best Regards,
>> Barry
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: JTAddington
>> To: JTAddington
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
>>
>>
>> Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather large
>> earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
>>
>> Jim Addington
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
Let's just say the evolutionists are the only ones who deny the second law
of thermodynamics. (See we are more of a physics crowd here).
i.e. they believe things evolve into more complex, arranged, better systems.
- I don't believe that. I do believe that my garage ends up dirtier and more
messed up every weekend without my input!
There is a theory about homing pigeons using magnetic flux lines to find
home (my dad use to race them). and thus birds/ migration may be related.
Certainly I could see how a tremblor, or actual quake could disrupt the
magnetic flux briefly. now that makes sense to me. But we don't understand
that any better than we do genomics (which I am working on in the carotid
bifurcation in man).
bobf
500B
On 2/27/08, Andrew & Bridget Watson wrote:
>
> andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
>
> Glad you're all OK, Barry. Birds and other animals predicting
> earthquakes...
> there was a National Geographic/Discovery Channel program on a while ago
> where
> a couple of theories were put forward - one that the birds and animals
> hear
> the 'infrasound' just before the 'quake, and another that there is a
> tremor in
> the magnetic field that precedes the shock. All very interesting; things
> like
> this make me wonder how life could have evolved by chance. There - that
> should
> get the list active again! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Andrew
>
> Quoting Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > That's nice of you to enquire.
> >
> > No damage here, but I think the centre was a reasonable distance away,
> about
> > 165 miles by road, but probably less as the crow flies.
> > Was evidently 5.2 magnitude.
> >
> > Strangely, my wife Elaine couldn't get to sleep so she was downstairs
> when it
> > happened.
> > She remarked this morning that our two budgerigars were going ape at
> some
> > stage and it turns out that it was just before the tremor.
> > Normally, once they're covered up for the night, we never hear anything
> from
> > them.
> > "They" say that some animals can 'predict' the tremor just before it
> happens.
> > Look as if it's true!
> >
> > Very Best Regards,
> > Barry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: JTAddington
> > To: JTAddington
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:32 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: Earth Quake
> >
> >
> > Barry, I saw on the news this morning that you folks had a rather
> large
> > earth quake over there. Did you have any damage where you are?
> >
> > Jim Addington
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 680 on e bay |
i owned one 28 years ago. great great aircraft, but fuel consumption
will kill you. Engines and airframe never a serious problem. hope you
hit the lottery,you'll need it. lloyd
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:17 AM, N395V wrote:
>
> Probably nothing wrong with the plane. Given fuel prices twins are just not selling
period. Add to that limited to no support for the engines and airframes
it is amazing that these planes sell at any price. You really gotta love em to
own one.
>
> Call Harry Merrit in Florida, I think he used to maintain that particular plane.
Then decide to inspect it and make the guy an offer.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166604#166604
>
>
--
LLOYD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Roger Iverin <roger(at)iverin.com> |
| Subject: | TO360C1A6D for sale! |
Dear commanders I have a new overhauled *TO360C1A6D sale !*
May anyone on the list let me know about I have come to the right place
for this engine ?
Best regards
Roger Iverin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Robert...
We quantified the mean of the IMT for 12 sites of the extracranial
carotid arteries (common carotid, bifurcation, internal carotid, near
and far walls, and left and right sides [mean aggregate]) as well as for
various combinations of sites (eg, segment-specific means, far walls
only, maximum of any site) with or free of coronary artery disease.
Models including age and all the indexes of IMT identified the mean
aggregate as the only variable independently associated with the status
of coronary atherosclerosis for the group as a whole. Next most strongly
correlated was the mean common plus bifurcation. When classification
algorithms were tested for ability to correctly classify case patients
and control subjects, the mean bifurcation, mean common plus
bifurcation, and mean aggregate were most strongly related to
case-control status; however, the predictive power of the mean common
was also strong.
Conclusions These data support use of the mean aggregate extracranial
carotid IMT for correlation with the status of coronary atherosclerosis;
however, the data also support use of the mean common plus bifurcation,
since there is little increase in predictive power of the mean aggregate
over this index. Use of the common carotid alone is also justifiable and
may be preferable for certain analyses.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
See? Aerial survey pilots are better rounded than you might think.......
David, you don't write poetry also, do you?
----- Original Message -----
From: David Owens
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Robert...
We quantified the mean of the IMT for 12 sites of the extracranial
carotid arteries (common carotid, bifurcation, internal carotid, near
and far walls, and left and right sides [mean aggregate]) as well as for
various combinations of sites (eg, segment-specific means, far walls
only, maximum of any site) with or free of coronary artery disease.
Models including age and all the indexes of IMT identified the mean
aggregate as the only variable independently associated with the status
of coronary atherosclerosis for the group as a whole. Next most strongly
correlated was the mean common plus bifurcation. When classification
algorithms were tested for ability to correctly classify case patients
and control subjects, the mean bifurcation, mean common plus
bifurcation, and mean aggregate were most strongly related to
case-control status; however, the predictive power of the mean common
was also strong.
Conclusions These data support use of the mean aggregate extracranial
carotid IMT for correlation with the status of coronary atherosclerosis;
however, the data also support use of the mean common plus bifurcation,
since there is little increase in predictive power of the mean aggregate
over this index. Use of the common carotid alone is also justifiable and
may be preferable for certain analyses.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | FW: In Memoriam - 62 years later...... |
62 years after the second World War
Please read the little cartoon carefully, it's powerful. Then read the
comments at the end, and please - forward it! We cannot, we must not, ever
forget what happened in Europe over 60 years ago, because it could happen
again. Anyone, any group, could be the target. It has been said that those
who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it. In this case, those
who are attempting to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it!
The hatred is already there, in place, taught to the children from infancy,
with promises of glory and honor to those who carry out the plans.
Forewarned is forearmed, and I'm doing my small part by forwarding this
message. I hope you'll do the same.
In Memoriam
cid:4BAE6364D7264331937FB000A50EF770@VinniePC
It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million
Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests
who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the
German and Russia peoples looking the other way!
Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be
"a myth," it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets, because
there are others who would like to do it again.
The Islamic extremists are bent on the same thing that Hitler and Stalin
were. The conquest of the world and the destruction of anyone who doesn't
believe the way they do. The rest of the Muslims who say or do nothing
about them are as guilty as the extremist.
This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!
Join us and be a link in the memorial chain and help us distribute it around
the world.
Please send this e-mail to 10 people (or more) you know and ask them to
continue the memorial chain.
Please don't just delete it. It will only take you a minute to pass this
along - Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
This afternoon American Airlines Flight 229, a Boeing 777 bound from MIA to LAX,
had the left engine hang up on approach to LAX at approximately 2,000 feet.
The auto throttles were on and the left engine hung at approach idle as the right
engine accelerated normally. It is believed that the left engine would not
respond to throttle inputs for 10-15 seconds before finally responding and accelerating
to the commanded thrust. The right engine performed normally. Maintenance
has downloaded the DFDR data and Maintenance action to be taken (ATBT)
will be to sump the fuel tanks, pull the engine fuel filters and check for contamination,
BITE check the EEC and check the MAT for any existing faults.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
Certainly not commander airplane stuff - but shows that commander pilots and
buffs are smart well rounded people! Yep - familiar with IMT - we are
studying IMT in pediatrics - and related to the flow divider and shear
stress areas, are doing the genomics looking at up and downregulation of the
genes (genespring array about 24,000 genes). We indeed are fearfully and
wonderfully made!
Not nearly as exciting as flying my 500B down to 250ft with my new 400W WAAS
coupled to my new STEC autopilot!
I wish some of our politicians were better rounded! Oops shouldn't have put
that, that'll really spin this off the bearings! Oh well, people were
complaining the commander list was too quiet. chuckle.
bobf
On 2/28/08, David Owens wrote:
>
> Robert...
>
> We quantified the mean of the IMT for 12 sites of the extracranial carotid
> arteries (common carotid, bifurcation, internal carotid, near and far
> walls, and left and right sides [mean aggregate]) as well as for various
> combinations of sites (eg, segment-specific means, far walls only, maximum
> of any site) with or free of coronary artery disease. Models including age
> and all the indexes of IMT identified the mean aggregate as the only
> variable independently associated with the status of coronary atherosclerosis
> for the group as a whole. Next most strongly correlated was the mean
> common plus bifurcation. When classification algorithms were tested for
> ability to correctly classify case patients and control subjects, the mean
> bifurcation, mean common plus bifurcation, and mean aggregate were most
> strongly related to case-control status; however, the predictive power of
> the mean common was also strong.
>
> *Conclusions *These data support use of the mean aggregate extracranial carotid
> IMT for correlation with the status of coronary atherosclerosis; however,
> the data also support use of the mean common plus bifurcation, since there
> is little increase in predictive power of the mean aggregate over this
> index. Use of the common carotid alone is also justifiable and may be
> preferable for certain analyses.
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
Dan
Thanks for this info. It will be interesting to see if there is anything
in
common between this incident and the one at LHR. Does American operate
the
GE or the Trent?
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Farmer
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 777 issues
This afternoon American Airlines Flight 229, a Boeing 777 bound from MIA
to
LAX, had the left engine hang up on approach to LAX at approximately
2,000
feet. The auto throttles were on and the left engine hung at approach
idle
as the right engine accelerated normally. It is believed that the left
engine would not respond to throttle inputs for 10-15 seconds before
finally
responding and accelerating to the commanded thrust. The right engine
performed normally. Maintenance has downloaded the DFDR data and
Maintenance
action to be taken (ATBT) will be to sump the fuel tanks, pull the
engine
fuel filters and check for contamination, BITE check the EEC and check
the
MAT for any existing faults.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | FW: In Memoriam - 62 years later...... |
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
Ha! The irony of following a cartoon named "Non-Sequitor" with a
non-sequitor is classic.
Thanks, Nico. You probably should have labeled it as logical humor,
though, so no one accidentally takes it seriously.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of nico css
Sent: Thu 2/28/2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: In Memoriam - 62 years later......
62 years after the second World War
Please read the little cartoon carefully, it's powerful. Then read the
comments at the end, and please - forward it! We cannot, we must not,
ever
forget what happened in Europe over 60 years ago, because it could
happen
again. Anyone, any group, could be the target. It has been said that
those
who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it. In this case,
those
who are attempting to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat
it!
The hatred is already there, in place, taught to the children from
infancy,
with promises of glory and honor to those who carry out the plans.
Forewarned is forearmed, and I'm doing my small part by forwarding this
message. I hope you'll do the same.
In Memoriam
cid:4BAE6364D7264331937FB000A50EF770@VinniePC
It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six
million
Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic
priests
who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with
the
German and Russia peoples looking the other way!
Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to
be
"a myth," it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets, because
there are others who would like to do it again.
The Islamic extremists are bent on the same thing that Hitler and Stalin
were. The conquest of the world and the destruction of anyone who
doesn't
believe the way they do. The rest of the Muslims who say or do nothing
about them are as guilty as the extremist.
This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!
Join us and be a link in the memorial chain and help us distribute it
around
the world.
Please send this e-mail to 10 people (or more) you know and ask them to
continue the memorial chain.
Please don't just delete it. It will only take you a minute to pass
this
along - Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Dan-
Where'd you pick this tid-bit up? How old is the information?
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 777 issues
This afternoon American Airlines Flight 229, a Boeing 777 bound from MIA to
LAX, had the left engine hang up on approach to LAX at approximately 2,000
feet. The auto throttles were on and the left engine hung at approach idle
as the right engine accelerated normally. It is believed that the left
engine would not respond to throttle inputs for 10-15 seconds before finally
responding and accelerating to the commanded thrust. The right engine
performed normally. Maintenance has downloaded the DFDR data and Maintenance
action to be taken (ATBT) will be to sump the fuel tanks, pull the engine
fuel filters and check for contamination, BITE check the EEC and check the
MAT for any existing faults.
__________ NOD32 2910 (20080228) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | FW: In Memoriam - 62 years later...... |
Sheez. I sent this to the list again by accident.
I'll pay better attention.
But, it lasts only so long.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: In Memoriam - 62 years later......
Ha! The irony of following a cartoon named "Non-Sequitor" with a
non-sequitor is classic.
Thanks, Nico. You probably should have labeled it as logical humor, though,
so no one accidentally takes it seriously.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of nico css
Sent: Thu 2/28/2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: In Memoriam - 62 years later......
62 years after the second World War
Please read the little cartoon carefully, it's powerful. Then read the
comments at the end, and please - forward it! We cannot, we must not, ever
forget what happened in Europe over 60 years ago, because it could happen
again. Anyone, any group, could be the target. It has been said that those
who refuse to study history are doomed to repeat it. In this case, those
who are attempting to rewrite history are probably planning to repeat it!
The hatred is already there, in place, taught to the children from infancy,
with promises of glory and honor to those who carry out the plans.
Forewarned is forearmed, and I'm doing my small part by forwarding this
message. I hope you'll do the same.
In Memoriam
cid:4BAE6364D7264331937FB000A50EF770@VinniePC
It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.
This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million
Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic priests
who were murdered, massacred, raped, burned, starved and humiliated with the
German and Russia peoples looking the other way!
Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be
"a myth," it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets, because
there are others who would like to do it again.
The Islamic extremists are bent on the same thing that Hitler and Stalin
were. The conquest of the world and the destruction of anyone who doesn't
believe the way they do. The rest of the Muslims who say or do nothing
about them are as guilty as the extremist.
This e-mail is intended to reach 40 million people worldwide!
Join us and be a link in the memorial chain and help us distribute it around
the world.
Please send this e-mail to 10 people (or more) you know and ask them to
continue the memorial chain.
Please don't just delete it. It will only take you a minute to pass this
along - Thanks
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Dean
AA uses the Rolls trent on our current fleet. When rumors float about buying
777-300er they talk about GE or Pratts for more thrust. The trent is very fuel
efficient but I don't believe it will produce the thrust for more weight.
It "only" produces 90,000 lbs. It has been a great engine.
dan f
---------------------------------
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Steve...
Mary had a little lamb... his fleas were white as snow...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
| Subject: | Fuel Vent and Stall Warning Heaters |
Fellow Commander Drivers:
Some time ago I posted expressing concern that when I checked my stall
warning and fuel vent heaters they did not seem to be very hot, especially
when compared to the air speed petot tubes, which get so hot that you can
not keep your hand on them. Someone else (sorry I can't remember who)
advised that their stall warning heater did not feel very warm either. As
it turns out (you can't find this out in the POH or repair manual) both fuel
vent heaters and the stall warning (aka lift detector) heater all have heat
sensing switches attached, which seems to bring them up to only about 80'F.
Just one thing less to worry about, if you can't get them to work on the
ramp when the ambient temperature is hig?.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
Did anybody see/hear of this? I would have loved to have seen it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7263007.stm
God bless,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Robert...
Sorry, thought you were discussing ??? hehehe
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Mary had a little lamb and the doctor fainted.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Earth Quake
Steve...
Mary had a little lamb... his fleas were white as snow...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Victor Fernandez" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfmfd5zwkXk
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
andrew.bridget(at)telus.net
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 777 Fly-by
Did anybody see/hear of this? I would have loved to have seen it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7263007.stm
God bless,
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe - Ross Racing Pistons" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> |
Hi Folks,
While on the subject of fuel vent ice, if anyone has a 500 series and is
interested, John Towner at Central has an STC for very simple and effective
anti fuel vent ice prevention. They are plastic pieces that are tear drop
shaped and simply fasten onto the wing in front of the fuel vents.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
This article in AVwebFlash.
Fired Pilot's Boss In Cockpit During Fly-By
As we reported last week, Ian Wilkinson, a senior Cathay Pacific
captain, was fired three weeks after he did a high-speed, low-level pass
over a Seattle-area airport in a new Boeing 777 he was delivering from
the factory. It wasn't the stunt that got him fired, it was the fact
that he didn't have permission to perform the fly-by, something the
airline occasionally allows for airshows. But a story in Sunday's Asian
World News, reprinted by The Earth Times, raises the question of just
how much authority Wilkinson needed, since the chairman of the airline,
Christopher Pratt, was in a cockpit jumpseat for the whole performance.
The airline confirmed that fact but said Pratt, who runs one of the
biggest airlines in Asia, couldn't be expected to know that the stunt
wasn't "authorized," "The chairman is not an aviator and he was fully
aware that the captain was in full command of the flight," an
unidentified spokeswoman said. "There was no request or suggestion from
anyone in Cathay Pacific for the fly-by to take place. The decision was
entirely that of the captain in command." The spokeswoman also denied
that Wilkinson's firing had more to do with the publicity surrounding
the stunt, which was featured on YouTube, than company protocol. "The
YouTube video only confirmed what was already becoming known. The
internal investigation was well underway prior to the video appearing
online," she claimed. However, an unidentified source reportedly told a
German magazine that it was felt the incident "makes our airline look
like a bunch of cowboys." Wilkinson was paid three months' severance and
keeps his company pension. He has not been available for comment. His
maid reportedly told the newspaper he's on holiday in Thailand.
I agree, how much authority do you need if the CEO isn't enough?
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Gee wizz guys, it worked in TOP GUN.
Then there was the Admiral daughter.
"pattern is Full".
Tylor Hall
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Don wrote:
> This article in AVwebFlash.
>
> Fired Pilot's Boss In Cockpit During Fly-By
>
> As we reported last week, Ian Wilkinson, a senior Cathay Pacific
> captain, was fired three weeks after he did a high-speed, low-level
> pass over a Seattle-area airport in a new Boeing 777 he was
> delivering from the factory. It wasn=92t the stunt that got him fired,
> it was the fact that he didn=92t have permission to perform the fly-
> by, something the airline occasionally allows for airshows. But a
> story in Sunday=92s Asian World News, reprinted by The Earth Times,
> raises the question of just how much authority Wilkinson needed,
> since the chairman of the airline, Christopher Pratt, was in a
> cockpit jumpseat for the whole performance. The airline confirmed
> that fact but said Pratt, who runs one of the biggest airlines in
> Asia, couldn=92t be expected to know that the stunt wasn=92t
> =93authorized,=94 "The chairman is not an aviator and he was fully
aware
> that the captain was in full command of the flight," an unidentified
> spokeswoman said. "There was no request or suggestion from anyone in
> Cathay Pacific for the fly-by to take place. The decision was
> entirely that of the captain in command." The spokeswoman also
> denied that Wilkinson=92s firing had more to do with the publicity
> surrounding the stunt, which was featured on YouTube, than company
> protocol. =93The YouTube video only confirmed what was already
> becoming known. The internal investigation was well underway prior
> to the video appearing online,=94 she claimed. However, an
> unidentified source reportedly told a German magazine that it was
> felt the incident =93makes our airline look like a bunch of cowboys.=94
> Wilkinson was paid three months=92 severance and keeps his company
> pension. He has not been available for comment. His maid reportedly
> told the newspaper he=92s on holiday in Thailand.
>
>
> I agree, how much authority do you need if the CEO isn't enough?
>
>
> Don
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/03/08 |
If you call it a go-around-- it is legal :-)))
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1. 10:26 AM - 777 Fly-by (Don)
2. 11:05 AM - Re: 777 Fly-by (Tylor Hall)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
From: "Don"
Subject: Commander-List: 777 Fly-by
This article in AVwebFlash.
Fired Pilot's Boss In Cockpit During Fly-By
As we reported last week, Ian Wilkinson, a senior Cathay Pacific
captain, was fired three weeks after he did a high-speed, low-level pass
over a Seattle-area airport in a new Boeing 777 he was delivering from
the factory. It wasn't the stunt that got him fired, it was the fact
that he didn't have permission to perform the fly-by, something the
airline occasionally allows for airshows. But a story in Sunday's Asian
World News, reprinted by The Earth Times, raises the question of just
how much authority Wilkinson needed, since the chairman of the airline,
Christopher Pratt, was in a cockpit jumpseat for the whole performance.
The airline confirmed that fact but said Pratt, who runs one of the
biggest airlines in Asia, couldn't be expected to know that the stunt
wasn't "authorized," "The chairman is not an aviator and he was fully
aware that the captain was in full command of the flight," an
unidentified spokeswoman said. "There was no request or suggestion from
anyone in Cathay Pacific for the fly-by to take place. The decision was
entirely that of the captain in command." The spokeswoman also denied
that Wilkinson's firing had more to do with the publicity surrounding
the stunt, which was featured on YouTube, than company protocol. "The
YouTube video only confirmed what was already becoming known. The
internal investigation was well underway prior to the video appearing
online," she claimed. However, an unidentified source reportedly told a
German magazine that it was felt the incident "makes our airline look
like a bunch of cowboys." Wilkinson was paid three months' severance and
keeps his company pension. He has not been available for comment. His
maid reportedly told the newspaper he's on holiday in Thailand.
I agree, how much authority do you need if the CEO isn't enough?
Don
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
From: Tylor Hall
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 777 Fly-by
Gee wizz guys, it worked in TOP GUN.
Then there was the Admiral daughter.
"pattern is Full".
Tylor Hall
On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Don wrote:
> This article in AVwebFlash.
>
> Fired Pilot's Boss In Cockpit During Fly-By
>
> As we reported last week, Ian Wilkinson, a senior Cathay Pacific
> captain, was fired three weeks after he did a high-speed, low-level
> pass over a Seattle-area airport in a new Boeing 777 he was
> delivering from the factory. It wasn=92t the stunt that got him fired,
> it was the fact that he didn=92t have permission to perform the fly-
> by, something the airline occasionally allows for airshows. But a
> story in Sunday=92s Asian World News, reprinted by The Earth Times,
> raises the question of just how much authority Wilkinson needed,
> since the chairman of the airline, Christopher Pratt, was in a
> cockpit jumpseat for the whole performance. The airline confirmed
> that fact but said Pratt, who runs one of the biggest airlines in
> Asia, couldn=92t be expected to know that the stunt wasn=92t
> =93authorized,=94 "The chairman is not an aviator and he was fully
aware
> that the captain was in full command of the flight," an unidentified
> spokeswoman said. "There was no request or suggestion from anyone in
> Cathay Pacific for the fly-by to take place. The decision was
> entirely that of the captain in command." The spokeswoman also
> denied that Wilkinson=92s firing had more to do with the publicity
> surrounding the stunt, which was featured on YouTube, than company
> protocol. =93The YouTube video only confirmed what was already
> becoming known. The internal investigation was well underway prior
> to the video appearing online,=94 she claimed. However, an
> unidentified source reportedly told a German magazine that it was
> felt the incident =93makes our airline look like a bunch of cowboys.=94
> Wilkinson was paid three months=92 severance and keeps his company
> pension. He has not been available for comment. His maid reportedly
> told the newspaper he=92s on holiday in Thailand.
>
>
> I agree, how much authority do you need if the CEO isn't enough?
>
>
> Don
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com |
| Subject: | Re: Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
Thanks for the response and will check back later.....
You're working too hard... quit.
Larry Olson
On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, nico css wrote:
>
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a
> lot of
> information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> am up at
> 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> situation to
> get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic schedule will
> end soon
> and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> can't
> find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong specs
> on the
> turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
as I sip coffee from my wonderful Biblical verse cup - from Nico - I agree
(partly) with Larry - more like - slow down and smell the coffee. My brother
keeps that kinda of schedule in Houston - I don't know how he does it.
except he does it five days a week not six.
Nico - thanks again - the cups are wonderful - we use them every day.
bobf
On 3/7/08, asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the response and will check back later.....
>
> You're working too hard... quit.
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, nico css wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a
> > lot of
> > information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> > am up at
> > 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> > situation to
> > get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic schedule will
> > end soon
> > and then I will pay attention to this.
> >
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> > 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
> >
> > I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> > can't
> > find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong specs
> > on the
> > turbo Commanders.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > ...still shopping....
> >
> > Larry Olson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | NICOI - COMMANDER MUGS |
NICO, WHEN ARE THE COMMANDER MUGS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE,WE'RE ANXIOUS.
--
LLOYD
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: NICOI - COMMANDER MUGS |
Me too.
Tom.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Commander-List: NICOI - COMMANDER MUGS
>
>
> NICO, WHEN ARE THE COMMANDER MUGS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE,WE'RE ANXIOUS.
>
> --
> LLOYD
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
I wish I could. But to fire the CEO is tough. :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
Thanks for the response and will check back later.....
You're working too hard... quit.
Larry Olson
On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, nico css wrote:
>
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a lot
> of information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> am up at 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> situation to get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic
> schedule will end soon and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> can't find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong
> specs on the turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Info and Specs on turbine commanders |
Thanks, Bob.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
as I sip coffee from my wonderful Biblical verse cup - from Nico - I agree
(partly) with Larry - more like - slow down and smell the coffee. My brother
keeps that kinda of schedule in Houston - I don't know how he does it.
except he does it five days a week not six.
Nico - thanks again - the cups are wonderful - we use them every day.
bobf
On 3/7/08, asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Thanks for the response and will check back later.....
You're working too hard... quit.
Larry Olson
On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, nico css wrote:
>
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a
> lot of
> information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> am up at
> 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> situation to
> get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic schedule will
> end soon
> and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> can't
> find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong specs
> on the
> turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Concerning the Boeing 777 that crashed |
Have any of you 777 guys gotten anything on this.
Jim
_____
_______________________________________________
Concerning the Boeing 777 that crashed short of the runway in London a few
weeks ago.
BOEING 777 Crash
Well, the British aircraft accident investigation board has finally
come around to the conclusion that I made several weeks ago: The event was
RF( Radio Frequency )-induced.
Prime Minister Dr. Gordon Brown's motorcade was passing under the
approach path of BA038. His security system utilized an RF transmitter to
block out
any cell-phone triggered devices. Apparently this system has a two mile
range, and it caused the Boeing 777 EEC's (electronic engine controls) to
sense a
"overboost" situation, thereby commanding a reduced-thrust situation for
the engines, simultaneously. Most interesting.
We'll see how Boeing and the BAA handle this one. This could be
potentially bad, in view of the simplicity of technology that the bad guys
could use to bring down an airliner.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | 690A/B Headrests |
Dear Commander Owners/pilots:
I am looking for headrests for the pilot and copilot seats for my 690A. Does
anyone have a source or idea ? Thank you,Nick N690DB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
Thanks for the response and will check back later.....
You're working too hard... quit.
Larry Olson
On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:33 AM, nico css wrote:
>
>
> Which, of course, is still on my slate to fix. I have received a lot
> of information to move over to the aerocommander website, but since I
> am up at 4am till about 10pm, six days a week, it's not been an ideal
> situation to get to fix the website. I apologize but this hectic
> schedule will end soon and then I will pay attention to this.
>
> Nico
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> asgroup(at)tampabay.rr.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:49 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Info and Specs on turbine commanders
>
>
> All,
>
> I'm looking for a good source on specs for the turbine Commanders,
> 681 and later. Would also be nice to have mods, and upgrade options.
>
> I thought there was a web site, similar to aerocommander.com but I
> can't find it. Also aerocommander.com has bad info, with the wrong
> specs on the turbo Commanders.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> ...still shopping....
>
> Larry Olson
>
>
Checked by AVG.
12:17 PM
Checked by AVG.
7:27 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
anyone with any info on a citation II that went down in tulsa?? mason
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 690A/B Headrests |
Nick;
I have several pair of the Lightspeed ANR headsets that I am well pleased
with, think they are the ANR 20, they do a good job of blocking the
Commander noise and are comfortable. Started out with two and liked them so
much bought two more, have a couple pairs of regular headsets but whoever
sits up by the props wear the ANR set. This is for my 560E.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
>
> Dear Commander Owners/pilots:
>
> I am looking for headrests for the pilot and copilot seats for my 690A.
Does
> anyone have a source or idea ? Thank you,Nick N690DB
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | 690A/B Headrests |
i think it was headREST not head sets.
> From: dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com> Subject:
Re: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:21:41 -0500
Nick;> > I have several pair of the Lightspeed ANR headsets that I am well
pleased> with, think they are the ANR 20, they do a good job of blocking t
he> Commander noise and are comfortable. Started out with two and liked the
m so> much bought two more, have a couple pairs of regular headsets but who
ever> sits up by the props wear the ANR set. This is for my 560E.> > Don> >
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>>
To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:15 AM>
Subject: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests> > > > --> Commander-List messag
e posted by: "Nick Martin" > >> > Dear Commander Owners
/pilots:> >> > I am looking for headrests for the pilot and copilot seats f
or my 690A.> Does> > anyone have a source or idea ? Thank you,Nick N690DB>
====> > >
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | New Fuel Servo AD? |
New Emergency AD.
RSA-5 and RSA-10 servos....... Precision Airmotive (They holding the
certificate for the servos now?)
No flight until compliance.
The way the AD is written, it would seem repetitive every 50 hours with
no means of terminating the inspection requirement.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/2321ADE8B90
25A138625740A00622E71?OpenDocument
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Fuel Servo AD? |
Ok, P.S.......
Here's the Service Bulletin. It has a picture of the affected part.
Our servo doesn't even have the affected hex plug in the regulator
cover........
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve at Col-East
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:59 AM
Subject: Commander-List: New Fuel Servo AD?
New Emergency AD.
RSA-5 and RSA-10 servos....... Precision Airmotive (They holding the
certificate for the servos now?)
No flight until compliance.
The way the AD is written, it would seem repetitive every 50 hours
with no means of terminating the inspection requirement.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/2321ADE8B90
25A138625740A00622E71?OpenDocument
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | New Fuel Servo AD? |
which servo is this? gmc
From: steve2(at)sover.netTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Commander-Li
st: New Fuel Servo AD?Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:59:26 -0400
New Emergency AD.
RSA-5 and RSA-10 servos....... Precision Airmotive (They holding the certif
icate for the servos now?)
No flight until compliance.
The way the AD is written, it would seem repetitive every 50 hours with no
means of terminating the inspection requirement.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/2321ADE8B9025
A138625740A00622E71?OpenDocument
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Fuel Servo AD? |
In our application its an IO-540. As far as I know, these things are
everywhere...... An awful lot of stuff runs on RSA-5 and -10 Bendix
servos........ But we don't even have the plug they're talking about.
I did find the spreadsheet that lists the individual servos the 'Service
Bulletin' refers to. I'll read the AD to see if the Service Bulletin
list applies, but the short of it is this......
"The listing in this column shows all RSA-5 and RSA-10 model fuel
injection servos manufactured or rebuilt by Precision Airmotive between
8/22/06 and 3/7/08. Please note that there may be other servos that are
affected by service bulletin PRS-107 if they were overhauled or repaired
after 8/22/06"
But I've got to get some work done before I can look at this stuff
again......
The good news is it appears to be restricted to a couple year window
when the servos were rebuilt or repaired.........
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New Fuel Servo AD?
which servo is this? gmc
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From: steve2(at)sover.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: New Fuel Servo AD?
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:59:26 -0400
New Emergency AD.
RSA-5 and RSA-10 servos....... Precision Airmotive (They holding the
certificate for the servos now?)
No flight until compliance.
The way the AD is written, it would seem repetitive every 50 hours
with no means of terminating the inspection requirement.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAD.nsf/0/2321ADE8B90
25A138625740A00622E71?OpenDocument
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 690A/B Headrests |
Don, rest hehehe... However, you might be able to use them to prop your
head up if used the right way...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 690A/B Headrests |
I didn't know there was going to be a quiz!
I will try and READ better.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
i think it was headREST not head sets.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> From: dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:21:41 -0500
>
>
> Nick;
>
> I have several pair of the Lightspeed ANR headsets that I am well
pleased
> with, think they are the ANR 20, they do a good job of blocking the
> Commander noise and are comfortable. Started out with two and liked
them so
> much bought two more, have a couple pairs of regular headsets but
whoever
> sits up by the props wear the ANR set. This is for my 560E.
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:15 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
>
>
> >
> > Dear Commander Owners/pilots:
> >
> > I am looking for headrests for the pilot and copilot seats for my
690A.
> Does
> > anyone have a source or idea ? Thank you,Nick N690DB
> >
>
> >
>
>
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-----
Checked by AVG.
3/13/2008 11:31 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Propeller Clamps |
Well the prop is ready to pick up.
total cost to you by the prop shop is $868.56 they take credit cards.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Hi Guys,
I am in need of six Propeller clamps for the props on my 680F. The
part number is Hartzell #C-1301-S. Please let me know if you can help
out. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | 690A/B Headrests |
Thanks for the response...we are looking for pilot and co pilot head rests
for 690A ,,,,,
Nicolas E. Martin
Martin Container, Inc.
1402 E. Lomita Blvd.
Wilmington, Ca 90748
Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
I didn't know there was going to be a quiz!
I will try and READ better.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <mailto:kamala(at)msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
i think it was headREST not head sets.
_____
> From: dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:21:41 -0500
>
>
> Nick;
>
> I have several pair of the Lightspeed ANR headsets that I am well pleased
> with, think they are the ANR 20, they do a good job of blocking the
> Commander noise and are comfortable. Started out with two and liked them
so
> much bought two more, have a couple pairs of regular headsets but whoever
> sits up by the props wear the ANR set. This is for my 560E.
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To:
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> Subject: Commander-List: 690A/B Headrests
>
>
> >
> > Dear Commander Owners/pilots:
> >
> > I am looking for headrests for the pilot and copilot seats for my 690A.
> Does
> > anyone have a source or idea ? Thank you,Nick N690DB
> >
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Propeller Clamps |
Thanks Harry,
I will be contacting them first thing in the morning for the
Yellow Tag fax & payment for services. I will also be
transferring $3000 into your account tomorrow for the clamps.
Can you email an invoice for the propeller..?? Thanks for you
help.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
Harry Merritt
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Well the prop is ready to pick up.
total cost to you by the prop shop is $868.56 they take credit
cards.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Hi Guys,
I am in need of six Propeller clamps for the props on my 680F.
The part number is Hartzell #C-1301-S. Please let me know if you
can help out. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New Fuel Servo AD? |
Steve...
Invaluable information as always guys... Thanks for the heads up... It
applied to our Navajo... No problem this time... we'll see the next 50
hrs... Thanks again!!!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel
pump for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series???
IS there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a
rumor from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel
hose off the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the
nose gear well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to run
the heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of STC or
what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Victor Fernandez" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> |
Is this just me, or is everyone receiving 3 emails each time one comes in?
Thanks
Victor
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777
Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel pump
for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series??? IS there a
replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a rumor from a guy
that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel hose off the left engine
pressure guage to the existing lines in the nose gear well, and use the
existing switches and pressure device to run the heater... Anyone ever heard
of this one? Is it some sort of STC or what? H E L P!!! Calling all
cars!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Looks like just you Victor,
Cheers
Russell
On 19/3/08 11:10 PM, "Victor Fernandez" wrote:
> Is this just me, or is everyone receiving 3 emails each time one comes in?
> Thanks
> Victor
>
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777
>
>
> Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel pump for
> the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series??? IS there a
> replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a rumor from a guy
> that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel hose off the left engine
> pressure guage to the existing lines in the nose gear well, and use the
> existing switches and pressure device to run the heater... Anyone ever heard
> of this one? Is it some sort of STC or what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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Re: Commander-List: BA38-777Hi Victor,
It's probably because you're paying three times as much as the rest of
us and they want to give you value for money ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777
Looks like just you Victor,
Cheers
Russell
On 19/3/08 11:10 PM, "Victor Fernandez"
wrote:
Is this just me, or is everyone receiving 3 emails each time one
comes in?
Thanks
Victor
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Owens
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:04 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777
Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel
pump for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series???
IS there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a
rumor from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel
hose off the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the
nose gear well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to run
the heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of STC or
what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Victor,
Only got one of yours...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Victor Fernandez" <vfc(at)fernandezgonzalez.com> |
Thanks
I'll look into the matter as I'm still getting 3 of each
Victor
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: BA38-777
Victor,
Only got one of yours...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
The Commander does not use a Weldon pump for the heater. The fuel supply
comes from the left engine fuel pump or boost pump from the fuel gage. If it is
not that way, it has been changed.
Bill Leff
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
Bill
Our Commander is a 500-A, 1960 Model. Our manual actually shows and
depicts the fuel pump located in the wheel well nose gear area. The
part number that lists is weldon pump # 4031-A, and the pump assembly
(motor and pump) number is 3880121. The difference in the pump is that
it has a pressure relief valve on the pump body next to the in and out
fittings. I have been told by C & D that this valve was required because
the heater that we have uses 14 psi to operate. The newer style heater
that C & D sells is 7 psi, supposedly eliminating the need for the
pressure relief . That's what I have been told anyway. I am interested
in trying the conversion to the engine fuel pressure guage, but have no
paperwork on this series aircraft that relates to it. If I am wrong, I
would really apreciate a correction slap. Thank you so much for the
reply. Still looking for answers.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Janitrol Heater Pump |
Bill
Our Commander is a 500-A, 1960 Model. Our manual actually shows and
depicts the fuel pump located in the wheel well nose gear area. The
part number that lists is weldon pump # 4031-A, and the pump assembly
(motor and pump) number is 3880121. The difference in the pump is that
it has a pressure relief valve on the pump body next to the in and out
fittings. I have been told by C & D that this valve was required because
the heater that we have uses 14 psi to operate. The newer style heater
that C & D sells is 7 psi, supposedly eliminating the need for the
pressure relief . That's what I have been told anyway. I am interested
in trying the conversion to the engine fuel pressure guage, but have no
paperwork on this series aircraft that relates to it. If I am wrong, I
would really apreciate a correction slap. Thank you so much for the
reply. Still looking for answers.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Propeller Clamps |
Well did the prop arrive, are you happy, I will check on the clamps and
let you know.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Hi Guys,
I am in need of six Propeller clamps for the props on my 680F. The
part number is Hartzell #C-1301-S. Please let me know if you can help
out. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | HELP! Anybody out there? |
Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel
pump for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series???
IS there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a
rumor from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel
hose off the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the
nose gear well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to run
the heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of STC or
what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
David, have you checked with the guys at C&D? They have new STC'd
AD-free replacement heaters for Commanders, and may carry parts too:
http://www.aircraftheater.com/
Cheers,
/John
David Owens wrote:
> Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel
> pump for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series???
> IS there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a
> rumor from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel
> hose off the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the
> nose gear well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to
> run the heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of
> STC or what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
>
>
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | HELP! Anybody out there? |
Hey John,
Happened to be driving by the Bermuda Dunes Airport last week while down at
the Pacific Life Open, and saw a Commander tail sticking up above the fence.
Was that your plane..?? Also talked to one of the line judges at the
tournament who we know, and he had very nice things to say about your mom as
Director of Officials. 53X is still in the shop, so I had the pleasure of a
5 hour drive down to Indian Wells. Sure miss my Commander.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there?
David, have you checked with the guys at C&D? They have new STC'd
AD-free replacement heaters for Commanders, and may carry parts too:
http://www.aircraftheater.com/
Cheers,
/John
David Owens wrote:
> Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel
> pump for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series???
> IS there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a
> rumor from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel
> hose off the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the
> nose gear well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to
> run the heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of
> STC or what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
John,
Yes, Those guys are the ones that just OH'ed our heater, as we discussed
before. I don't know all the details, but our pump assy was sent along with
the heater to be overhauled and tagged, and the guys there supposedly
seperated the pump from the motor, sending the pump body one way for a check
out or whatever they do, and the motor another direction for their
electrical checks... The motor was found to be in need of overhaul, but the
pump body could not be found anywhere. Here lies the delimma... We have the
O\H motor now, without the pump body. The heater is returned,and ready for
service, BUT no pump. ??? As is my quest for a new pump Body! Part
number Weldon 4031-A... HELP! Our Overhaul cost for the heater and the
little motor to run the pump was a little over 900 dollars... (thats less a
20% discount I guess for the loss of the pump). I have called all the
obvious places... to no avail. Thank you for your reply...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
You need aircraft heat in Houston? Why back in the day as camerman, I
remember cans of Coke freezing in the C-180 & 206......
David, this one is obvious..... you talk yet to Aircraft Accesories of OK?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there?
>
>
> John,
>
>
> Yes, Those guys are the ones that just OH'ed our heater, as we discussed
> before. I don't know all the details, but our pump assy was sent along
> with
> the heater to be overhauled and tagged, and the guys there supposedly
> seperated the pump from the motor, sending the pump body one way for a
> check
> out or whatever they do, and the motor another direction for their
> electrical checks... The motor was found to be in need of overhaul, but
> the
> pump body could not be found anywhere. Here lies the delimma... We have
> the
> O\H motor now, without the pump body. The heater is returned,and ready for
> service, BUT no pump. ??? As is my quest for a new pump Body! Part
> number Weldon 4031-A... HELP! Our Overhaul cost for the heater and the
> little motor to run the pump was a little over 900 dollars... (thats less
> a
> 20% discount I guess for the loss of the pump). I have called all the
> obvious places... to no avail. Thank you for your reply...
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | HELP! Anybody out there? |
David here are the results from a PartsBase search maybe that will help.
Mike
Atlanta Air Exchange
GA, United States
P: 770-227-3226 F: 770-227-4073
Part Number: 4031A
Qty:
1
Alt Part Num:
CC:
AR
Description : FUEL PUMP
03/18/2008
Basiceparts.com
VT, United States
P: 802-425-5800 F: 802-425-3664
BASICePARTS Call 1-802-425-5800 We stock over 43,000 lines 225,000 line ite
ms in 24 hours ! We Ship Worldwide
Part Number: 4031A
Qty:
27
Description : IC 38510-05705BEA
CC:
OR
03/15/2008
Aircraft Accessories of Oklaho
OK, United States
P: 800-255-9924 F: 918-835-3681
Part Number: 4031-A
Qty:
1
Alt Part Num: IS13907-79587
CC:
OH
Description : METRNG PS
02/22/2008
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
Randy,
That was Randy Dunn's airplane....I was supposed to be there but my
airplane wasn't ready until the following Monday. We found a HUGE
exhaust leak that was in a totally inaccessible spot, thanks to the
rayjay turbos. Anyway, I'm flying again...
You should have called, my mom got Randy D some GREAT seats. Remember
next time (same with the SJ Open up here) so I can set you up!
I hope your props go together soon!
/J
Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:
>
> Hey John,
> Happened to be driving by the Bermuda Dunes Airport last week while down at
> the Pacific Life Open, and saw a Commander tail sticking up above the fence.
> Was that your plane..?? Also talked to one of the line judges at the
> tournament who we know, and he had very nice things to say about your mom as
> Director of Officials. 53X is still in the shop, so I had the pleasure of a
> 5 hour drive down to Indian Wells. Sure miss my Commander.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
> 680F/N6253X
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:47 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there?
>
>
> David, have you checked with the guys at C&D? They have new STC'd
> AD-free replacement heaters for Commanders, and may carry parts too:
> http://www.aircraftheater.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
> David Owens wrote:
>
>> Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel
>> pump for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series???
>> IS there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a
>> rumor from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel
>> hose off the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the
>> nose gear well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to
>> run the heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of
>> STC or what? H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Owens
>> Aerial Viewpoint
>> N14AV
>> AC-500A-Colemill
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
Sorry David, didn't realize you knew of them....I must not have read
enough of the original thread!
/J
David Owens wrote:
>
> John,
>
>
> Yes, Those guys are the ones that just OH'ed our heater, as we discussed
> before. I don't know all the details, but our pump assy was sent along with
> the heater to be overhauled and tagged, and the guys there supposedly
> seperated the pump from the motor, sending the pump body one way for a check
> out or whatever they do, and the motor another direction for their
> electrical checks... The motor was found to be in need of overhaul, but the
> pump body could not be found anywhere. Here lies the delimma... We have the
> O\H motor now, without the pump body. The heater is returned,and ready for
> service, BUT no pump. ??? As is my quest for a new pump Body! Part
> number Weldon 4031-A... HELP! Our Overhaul cost for the heater and the
> little motor to run the pump was a little over 900 dollars... (thats less a
> 20% discount I guess for the loss of the pump). I have called all the
> obvious places... to no avail. Thank you for your reply...
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
This company have shipped me three, (count them....3), heaters all of which
were meant to fit, none of which did.
They say they have the design issue resolved but I have been waiting for
months and am still waiting.
Only game in town? oh well, good luck.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there?
>
> David, have you checked with the guys at C&D? They have new STC'd AD-free
> replacement heaters for Commanders, and may carry parts too:
> http://www.aircraftheater.com/
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
> David Owens wrote:
>> Hey Guys & Gals... Anyone know anything about a new replacement fuel pump
>> for the Janitrol heater located in the nose of the 500 series??? IS
>> there a replacement for the old DC-3 style Weldon unit? I heard a rumor
>> from a guy that has O\H'ed our heater that we can route a fuel hose off
>> the left engine pressure guage to the existing lines in the nose gear
>> well, and use the existing switches and pressure device to run the
>> heater... Anyone ever heard of this one? Is it some sort of STC or what?
>> H E L P!!! Calling all cars!!!
>> David Owens
>> Aerial Viewpoint
>> N14AV
>> AC-500A-Colemill
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
Steve...
AC of Ok had the part number listed on their site, but when I called to
confirm, the guys told me it was discontinued some years back (20 or so) and
had none, and didn't know where to find one...
As far as Houston weather, some years back in the 206 Cessna, my brother
and Uncle went out to do some custom photography at 30K feet, and they told
me when they got back, it was IFR INSIDE the cabin! Also, the controller
asked them several times to verify their alt and aircraft type... Pretty
funny.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
MIKE!!!
Thank you for the help. I will let you know what they say right now. I
guess I need to get the info on what you used to do that... How much
money, etc. Who to call... etc. THANK YOU!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
TOM...
I have delt with these guys for at least 10 years, and have never had any
problems... I have a new Co. I might start dealing with... CJ Aviation...
305-378-1469...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Mike,
Called all those places... No luck. The one guy did have 27 of them in
stock, but as I suspected, they were integrated circuits... hehehe...
This must be a rare animal. Mabey thats the reason they "lost" mine...
hmmm... a new heater in the future that doesn't require the press.
relief valve... Thanks allot anyway!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
Thanks, I will call them if this last one, which has yet to be shipped, does
not fit.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there?
>
>
> TOM...
>
> I have delt with these guys for at least 10 years, and have never had any
> problems... I have a new Co. I might start dealing with... CJ Aviation...
> 305-378-1469...
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
>
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| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
David,
My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field approv
al to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using the part
s manual as your substantiating data.
You will need the filter, hose, fittings, and shutoff valve for the heater
. Get the FAA's Instructions for continued airworthiness work sheet and fil
l it out also. Then without putting a signature on the 337 submit it to the
Feds and see what happens. Include a letter with this application saying s
omething like parts are no longer available to support your aircraft.
Good luck and hope you are not in a big hurry.
Cheers
Mike
From: dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Co
mmander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15
Mike,
Called all those places... No luck. The one guy did have 27 of them in st
ock, but as I suspected, they were integrated circuits... hehehe... This mu
st be a rare animal. Mabey thats the reason they "lost" mine... hmmm... a n
ew heater in the future that doesn't require the press. relief valve... Tha
nks allot anyway!!!
David OwensAerial ViewpointN14AVAC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
I think the TU-206 was the worst.... When I did ride in the back of the bus
on camera, I spent a good part of the flight stuffing tissues and paper
towels into the door frame to slow the breeze down. It wasn't much warmer,
but keeps you busy. It was pretty funny stopping anywhere for gas, opening
the back cargo door and having paper towels, and pee bottles, and all sorts
of crap fall onto the ramp. Especially the time the line guys in Connecticut
brought out a little red carpet......
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HELP! Anybody out there?
>
>
> Steve...
>
> AC of Ok had the part number listed on their site, but when I called to
> confirm, the guys told me it was discontinued some years back (20 or so)
> and
> had none, and didn't know where to find one...
> As far as Houston weather, some years back in the 206 Cessna, my brother
> and Uncle went out to do some custom photography at 30K feet, and they
> told
> me when they got back, it was IFR INSIDE the cabin! Also, the controller
> asked them several times to verify their alt and aircraft type... Pretty
> funny.
>
>
> David Owens
> Aerial Viewpoint
> N14AV
> AC-500A-Colemill
>
>
>
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
"SIR" BARRY....
I have a guy on my airport that swears John Wayne, the great actor (and my hero)
owned a Turbo Commander, the nN number ended in JW.? He was not a pilot so he
had it flown.? Ever hear this??? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I believe that you could do it as a minor modification.? Several 500As were converted
to "B"s and I believe the work could be done with a logbook entry.? jb
My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field approval to
modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using the parts manual
as your substantiating data.
-----Original Message-----
From: mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 2:24 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
David,
?My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field approval to
modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using the parts manual
as your substantiating data.
?You will need the filter, hose, fittings, and shutoff valve for the heater. Get
the FAA's Instructions for continued airworthiness work sheet and fill it out
also. Then without putting a signature on the 337 submit it to the Feds and
see what happens. Include a letter with this application saying something like
parts are no longer available to support your aircraft.
?Good luck and hope you are not in a big hurry.
?
Cheers
Mike
From: dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:07 -0600
Mike,
?
? Called all those places... No luck. The one guy did have 27 of them in stock,
but as I suspected, they were integrated circuits... hehehe... This must be a
rare animal. Mabey thats the reason they "lost" mine... hmmm... a new heater
in the future that doesn't require the press. relief valve... Thanks allot anyway!!!
?
?
?
?
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena
Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October
1971, when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van
Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:39 AM
Subject: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
"SIR" BARRY....
I have a guy on my airport that swears John Wayne, the great actor
(and my hero) owned a Turbo Commander, the nN number ended in JW. He
was not a pilot so he had it flown. Ever hear this?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Hello All,
21 of the Model 500A were converted to 500B.
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of these were accomplished by The
ServiCenter at Bethany and they raised a Form 337 detailing the
conversion.
20 of these were accomplished under the authority of factory Engineering
Report No. G10-134, with one under an STC, No. SA459EA.
Interestingly, of the 99 Model 500A built, the first was also converted,
to become the first 680F and a further 31 were converted to Colemill
"Super 300" under STC Nos. SA340SO & SA366SO. The latter one authorised
an increase in MTOW to 6,530lb.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
I believe that you could do it as a minor modification. Several 500As
were converted to "B"s and I believe the work could be done with a
logbook entry. jb
My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field
approval to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using
the parts manual as your substantiating data.
-----Original Message-----
From: mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 2:24 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
David,
My only other suggestion is to draft a form 337 and request a field
approval to modify the aircraft to the configuration of say a 500B using
the parts manual as your substantiating data.
You will need the filter, hose, fittings, and shutoff valve for the
heater. Get the FAA's Instructions for continued airworthiness work
sheet and fill it out also. Then without putting a signature on the 337
submit it to the Feds and see what happens. Include a letter with this
application saying something like parts are no longer available to
support your aircraft.
Good luck and hope you are not in a big hurry.
Cheers
Mike
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:09:07 -0600
Mike,
Called all those places... No luck. The one guy did have 27 of them
in stock, but as I suspected, they were integrated circuits... hehehe...
This must be a rare animal. Mabey thats the reason they "lost" mine...
hmmm... a new heater in the future that doesn't require the press.
relief valve... Thanks allot anyway!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook entry.
The questions/concerns would be ....
Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of
a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage
it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your reasoning
for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut off
fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands of homebuilts
out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs more complex than
we are discussing here.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
David as you probably remember, our B started life as an 'A'. We've got
extensive documentation whereas every single part that made the airframe an
'A', was replaced with 'B' parts. Everything, down to the tiniest detail is
documented. Nothing that made the airframe an A remained.
If you decided to go down this route, I can dig into the paperwork and
photocopy whatever seemed pertinent.... Or maybe just photocopy or scan the
whole STC?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
>
>
> I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook
> entry.
>
> The questions/concerns would be ....
>
> Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the
> innards of a TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
>
> Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or
> damage it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in
> your reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
>
> Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut
> off fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands
> of homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs
> more complex than we are discussing here.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991
>
>
>
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Propeller Clamps |
Good morning Randy.
Clamps are in orlando, Will be shiped to day by fedex
to American Propeller. I will sent tracking number when recieved.
The paper work was sent with the propeller. If lost will replace and
over night to you, per Mid florida propeller.
thank
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Thanks Harry,
I will be contacting them first thing in the morning for the Yellow
Tag fax & payment for services. I will also be transferring $3000 into
your account tomorrow for the clamps. Can you email an invoice for the
propeller..?? Thanks for you help.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry
Merritt
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:47 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Well the prop is ready to pick up.
total cost to you by the prop shop is $868.56 they take credit cards.
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: Commander Chat
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Propeller Clamps
Hi Guys,
I am in need of six Propeller clamps for the props on my 680F. The
part number is Hartzell #C-1301-S. Please let me know if you can help
out. Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Mike...
A glimmer of hope arrived from an in-op pump that may be overhauled with
luck... I might give C-D a chance to reconcile this situation with this
unit. Not sure if legal action is necessary... The 337 is something I am
trying to avoid just for the reason of time. The guys are bugging us
pretty bad about it. (WA_WA)...
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | TOMMY MATHIEU <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Commander-List Help also |
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande
r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563
0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so
on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide.
Tommy Mathieu
N4XR
AC-500S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HELP! Anybody out there? |
Steve...
Steve..
About the only time they got the "Red Carpet" treatment was by the Customs
guys after flying a mission photographing the cable pulled by a seismic ship
for hours... They were in constant radio contact with ATC during the
mission, and landed in Corpus Christi for fuel, when up came this Navajo
full of flack jackets and M-16's... all pointed at them... hehehe... that's
another story. My uncle had to piss, and went right there on the ramp, of
the dismay of the agents... Whats really bad was these guys were based right
here at our little airport!!!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
Sir Barry...
Thank you for this valuable information... Will keep it!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Commander-List Help also |
Floats and Fuel Cells or TCAC.
http://www.ffcfuelcells.com/otheraircraft.html
Mike
From: tmathieu(at)msn.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Commander-Li
st: Commander-List Help alsoDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:33:41 -0500
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande
r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563
0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so
on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy
MathieuN4XRAC-500S
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| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
I hope it works for you.
On the 337 you can submit it before performing the mod and wait for it to
be approved. Then mod the A/C.
Mike
From: dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re
: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?Date: Thu, 27 Mar 200
Mike...
A glimmer of hope arrived from an in-op pump that may be overhauled with lu
ck... I might give C-D a chance to reconcile this situation with this unit.
Not sure if legal action is necessary... The 337 is something I am trying
to avoid just for the reason of time. The guys are bugging us pretty bad ab
out it. (WA_WA)...
David OwensAerial ViewpointN14AVAC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Call Aro Tech services, 800-842-9387, jb
-----Original Message-----
From: TOMMY MATHIEU <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 8:33 am
Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Does? anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commander 500S.?
I am needing the center and right wing tank.? Part numbers are 5630062-507
for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing.? I need these as soon as possible,
I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide.
?
Tommy Mathieu
N4XR
AC-500S
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there? |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
As an IA, I have come to realize that not EVERYTHING is a MAJOR change.? The mere
fact that the 337 form says "Major repair or alteration" indicates?to me?that
there must also be?MINOR changes.? I feel the FAA has brow beaten most IAs
into submission and everyone is scared to death to change anything.? In my shop,
this would be a minor modification.? It still complies with the type certificate
data sheet ("A"s &"Bs" were built on the same tcds), all the pats are approved
from the mfg for there intended use and no major changes were required
to re plumb it.? "removed existing heater fuel pump, installed heater plumbing
I.A.W. Aerocommander parts & maintenance manual for model 500B airframe.? Operation
check normal, A/C is returned to service this date".? But hey, I am not
the FAA, soooooooooo.? jb
Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of
a
TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage
it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your
reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
-----Original Message-----
From: N395V <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 5:37 am
Subject: Commander-List: Re: MIKE... HELP! Anybody out there?
I would follow JBs advice and do it as a minor change with a logbook entry.
The questions/concerns would be ....
Violation of FARs? Not many FAA types have any idea as to what the innards of
a
TC looks like so I doubt it would ever be noticed.
Insurance coverage? As long as the mod is not a cause of an accident or damage
it is not an issue. Even if it is and you exhibit due diligence in your
reasoning for doing it as a logbook entry you will be OK.
Safety? As long as your design and install are sound and allow you to shut off
fuel flow at the source you should be OK. There are 10s of thousands of
homebuilts out there flying safely every day with fuel system designs more
complex than we are discussing here.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=172991#172991
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Commander-List Help also |
jb, sounds like a lot of these guys need to come to the fly in and get the
"support booklet". gmc
Help alsoDate: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:43:28 -0400From: yourtcfg(at)aol.comCall A
ro Tech services, 800-842-9387, jb-----Original Message-----From: TOMMY MAT
HIEU To: commander-list(at)matronics.comSent: Thu, 27 Mar 20
08 8:33 amSubject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commande
r 500S. I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 563
0062-507 for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as so
on as possible, I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide. Tommy
MathieuN4XRAC-500S
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Mason,
I really wanted to go to the last fly in... Already had plans to do so,
as well as play some golf at the Ladybird course, as well as have some
drinks for "medicinal purposes only" with the rest of you guys...
Really hope this years will be possible for us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Tommy, I have an outboard and center fuel cell (new) for a 500B if it is the same.
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Original Message ----
From: TOMMY MATHIEU <tmathieu(at)msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:33:41 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Does anyone happen to know where I can find two fuel tanks for my Commander 500S.
I am needing the center and right wing tank. Part numbers are 5630062-507
for Center and 5630061-2RH for the right wing. I need these as soon as possible,
I greatly appreciate any assistance you cab provide.
Tommy Mathieu
N4XR
AC-500S
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Help also |
Have we discussed (and I've subsequently forgotten) when/where this year's
fly-in will be held?
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:22 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Mason,
I really wanted to go to the last fly in... Already had plans to do so, as
well as play some golf at the Ladybird course, as well as have some drinks
for "medicinal purposes only" with the rest of you guys... Really hope this
years will be possible for us.
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Fly-In 2008 - The SPECIAL one |
Hello All,
Hopefully, Capt JimBob will give us all the low-down on this year's
Fly-In before too long, but I'm pretty sure that the plan is that it
will be held at the Birthplace of all the production Commander Models,
Bethany-Wiley Post, Oklahoma (PWA).
The Flight Group really do need to make this one the BIGGEST event yet,
as it will mark the 60th Anniversary of the prototype Commander's First
Flight, which took place on April 23rd, 1948.
I'm pretty sure too that arrangements can be made for us all to go and
visit the prototype, the L-3805.
So please everyone, give your Commander the chance to be back at its
birthplace and meet dozens and dozens of its brothers (sisters?).
No doubt JimBob will confirm this and outline the dates soon.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Commander-List: Commander-List Help also
Have we discussed (and I've subsequently forgotten) when/where this
year's fly-in will be held?
Robert S. Randazzo
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Fitna - From the Netherlands - About Islam |
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| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
Wouldn't John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County, use his real
name, Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents?
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena
Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October 1971,
when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=" <John(at)vormbaum.com> |
Deneal,
Not to cast any aspersions on the Duke, but is "Marion" really a tough enough name
for a Commander Man? If you're going to own a Commander, you oughtta have
a name like John Wayne!
Heck, every time I climb into the left seat of my 500B, I feel a little bit tougher
than the average Joe.
Can't say I blame him for using his pseudonym. "Better put on your seat belt, pilgrim!"
/John
-----Original Message-----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:23:38
To:
Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Wouldnt John Wayne the = actor, who lived in Orange County, use his real name,
Marion Michael = Morrison, on any legal documents?
___________________________
Deneal = Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati=
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry = Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, = 2008 6:02 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.co= m
Subject: Re: = Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi = JimBob,
Yes, it's = true!
Jointly with a Ken = Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Park,
CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, = from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when
it was sold to distributor = Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of = these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best = Regards,
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Deneal,
That's an interesting point.
But, the question I'd like to ask is whether an FAA Bill of Sale is
actually a legal document?
When Conway Twitty bought his Commander, it was admittedly in the name
of Harold L Jenkins, doing business as Conway Twitty Enterprises.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Deneal Schilmeister
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Wouldn't John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County, use his
real name, Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents?
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:02 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of
Buena Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to
October 1971, when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of
Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
I believe John Wayne actually had his name legally changed to John Wayne
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173234#173234
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
"Well, into each life a little rain must fall"=C2- Marion, really!!=C2-
jb
"Better put on your seat belt,
ilgrim!"
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <John(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
="
John(at)vormbaum.com>
Deneal,
Not to cast any aspersions on the Duke, but is "Marion" really a tough enoug
h
ame for a Commander Man? If you're going to own a Commander, you oughtta hav
e a
ame like John Wayne!
Heck, every time I climb into the left seat of my 500B, I feel a little bit
ougher than the average Joe.
Can't say I blame him for using his pseudonym. "Better put on your seat belt
,
ilgrim!"
/John
-----Original Message-----
rom: "Deneal Schilmeister"
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:23:38
o:
ubject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
ouldn=99t John Wayne the = actor, who lived in Orange County, use hi
s real name,
arion Michael = Morrison, on any legal documents?
__________________________
eneal = Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
t. Louis - Cincinnati=
997 SL500
ttp://deneals.com <http://deneals.com/>
----Original = Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com]
n Behalf Of Barry = Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, = 2008 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: = Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
i = JimBob,
es, it's = true!
ointly with a Ken = Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena
Park,
A) owned 681-6016, N126JW, = from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when
it
as sold to distributor = Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
erhaps one or both of = these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
ery Best = Regards,
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I dont think I would give up any other name for Conway Twitty!!=C2- I am h
owever a great fan of his music.=C2- I sat in his Commander 500 once, wher
e is it now??=C2-=C2-=C2- jb
Harold L Jenkins, doing business as Conway Twitty Enterprises.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 4:51 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi Deneal,
=C2-
That's an interesting point.
But, the question I'd like to ask=C2-is whether=C2-an FAA Bill of Sale i
s actually a legal document?
=C2-
When Conway Twitty bought his Commander, it was admittedly in the name of Ha
rold L Jenkins, doing business as Conway Twitty Enterprises.
=C2-
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Deneal Schilmeister
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Wouldn=99t John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County, use his r
eal name, Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents?
=C2-
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
=C2-
Hi JimBob,
=C2-
Yes, it's true!
=C2-
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Par
k, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when
it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
=C2-
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
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-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| From: | "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=" <John(at)vormbaum.com> |
I remember that airplane, I sat in it once also. The airplane was named "Mean Mary",
supposedly after Conway's wife!
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:41:42
To:commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
I dont think I would give up any other name for Conway Twitty!! I= am however a
great fan of his music. I sat in his Commander 500 once,= where is it now?? jb
Harold = L Jenkins, doing business as Conway Twitty Enterprises.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 4:51 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi Deneal,
That's an interesting point.
But, the question I'd like to askis= whetheran FAA Bill of Sale is actually a legal
document?
When Conway Twitty bought his Commander, = it was admittedly in the name of Harold
L Jenkins, doing business as Conway = Twitty Enterprises.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
F= rom:
Deneal Schilmeister
.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAY= NE
Wouldn=99t John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County, use his= real name,
Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents?
=
______________________= _____
Deneal Schil= meister,= ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
=
-----Original Mess= age-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics
.com [mail
to:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 20= 08 6:02 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=
Subject: Re: Commander-List:= JOHM WAYNE
Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a K= en Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of Buena Park,
CA) owned 681= -6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to October 1971, when
it was sold to = distributor Western Commander Inc., of Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or b= oth of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regard= s,
Barry target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
----------------
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Hi JimBob,
Well, I might sit in Conway Twitty's Model 500 in June, as it's
currently owned over here in the UK!
It is owned by Robert Barnett, who runs an aerial photography business
called Centerline Aerospace.
It's actually still registered as N3596T (ex N359CT) to Centerline
Aerospace Inc., in Clermont, FL.
I have been in email contact with Rob and he might bring the Commander
to the Air-Britain Fly-In to be held at North Weald airfield in June.
He tells me there is a plaque in the cockpit covering the fact that it
was once Conway Twitty's Commander.
He also has a 690A and may, if the company schedule permits, bring that
one along too.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
I dont think I would give up any other name for Conway Twitty!! I am
however a great fan of his music.
I sat in his Commander 500 once, where is it now?? jb
Harold L Jenkins, doing business as Conway Twitty Enterprises.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 4:51 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi Deneal,
That's an interesting point.
But, the question I'd like to ask is whether an FAA Bill of Sale is
actually a legal document?
When Conway Twitty bought his Commander, it was admittedly in the name
of Harold L Jenkins, doing business as Conway Twitty Enterprises.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Deneal Schilmeister
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 4:23 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Wouldn=99t John Wayne the actor, who lived in Orange County,
use his real name, Marion Michael Morrison, on any legal documents?
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:02 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: JOHM WAYNE
Hi JimBob,
Yes, it's true!
Jointly with a Ken Reafsnyder and a Clement Hirsch, John Wayne (of
Buena Park, CA) owned 681-6016, N126JW, from new in August 1969 to
October 1971, when it was sold to distributor Western Commander Inc., of
Van Nuys, CA.
Perhaps one or both of these co-owners flew the Commander for him.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
://forums.matronics.com
lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Ponderosa Aviation |
I was flying around AZ yesterday calling on several of my customers
and I landed at Saffard, AZ.
As I landed, I saw 4 Twin Commanders sitting there. What to my
surprise, there were 4 more in the Hangar.
I meet the nicest brothers, Mikel and Russell Hardy. They own 7 500S
and one B. They fly for the forest service during fire season
spotting fires. They have been flying TC for a long time.
Their fleet is top shape. The also have Ponderosa Avionics and do all
their own avionics work. The have installed air conditioning in all
their aircraft and new panels with lots of new goodies. They do good
work.
They recovered several TC form Alaska. In 2004, I saw these aircraft
for sale. 999GB has a new paint job and new avionics and will be
working fire this year. 6114X just arrived and needs work to get it
flying. The Australian 500U coast watch plane was also purchased but
the seller cut the wings off it to move it. Mikel wanted to fly it
home, but...
They also bought another TC from an insurance company to rebuild.
They need to sell an Aztec and a C-320 to make room.
It is a pleasure to see such nice aircraft and they are working for a
living.
Tylor Hall
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! |
Dear Listers,
I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These
include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List
Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
to you:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.
Rans-List:
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RV12-List
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Best regards,
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Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
Hello All,
A friend in Switzerland has kindly researched the history of 560E s/n
843 while it was registered there as HB-GEU.
On looking at the overall history of s/n 843, I note it was sold as
N2985F to Blue Heron Corporation, in Auburn, Washington on November 11th
1978 and has been registered to them ever since.
I am always 'suspicious' of Commanders that are registered to the same
owner for over 20 years and as this one is fast approaching 30 years, I
really do wonder what its current status is.
If anyone knows anything about it, I'd be very grateful for a
'heads-up'!
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Interesting.? I dont know of any Commanders residing at the Auburn??? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 4:58 am
Subject: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Hello All,
?
A friend in Switzerland has kindly researched the history of 560E s/n 843 while
it was registered there as HB-GEU.
?
On looking at the overall history of s/n 843, I note it was sold as N2985F to Blue
Heron Corporation, in Auburn, Washington on November 11th 1978 and has been
registered to them ever since.
?
I am always 'suspicious' of Commanders that are registered to the same owner for
over 20 years and as?this one is fast approaching 30 years, I really do wonder
what its current status is.
?
If anyone knows anything about it, I'd be very grateful for a 'heads-up'!
?
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
Barry,
My feelings are hurt; I have had N444BD 27 years today.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:58 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Hello All,
A friend in Switzerland has kindly researched the history of 560E s/n 843
while it was registered there as HB-GEU.
On looking at the overall history of s/n 843, I note it was sold as N2985F
to Blue Heron Corporation, in Auburn, Washington on November 11th 1978 and
has been registered to them ever since.
I am always 'suspicious' of Commanders that are registered to the same owner
for over 20 years and as this one is fast approaching 30 years, I really do
wonder what its current status is.
If anyone knows anything about it, I'd be very grateful for a 'heads-up'!
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
Hi Jim,
Goodness me, so you have!
Happy Anniversary!!
I should, perhaps, have made it clear that I'm only 'suspicious' when I
have not received any reports as to the Commander's well-being.
I know, of course, that N444BD is in good health and is with a caring
owner ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: JTAddington
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Barry,
My feelings are hurt; I have had N444BD 27 years today.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
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-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:58 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Hello All,
A friend in Switzerland has kindly researched the history of 560E s/n
843 while it was registered there as HB-GEU.
On looking at the overall history of s/n 843, I note it was sold as
N2985F to Blue Heron Corporation, in Auburn, Washington on November 11th
1978 and has been registered to them ever since.
I am always 'suspicious' of Commanders that are registered to the same
owner for over 20 years and as this one is fast approaching 30 years, I
really do wonder what its current status is.
If anyone knows anything about it, I'd be very grateful for a
'heads-up'!
Best Regards,
Barry
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
My feelings are hurt; I have had N444BD 27 years today.
Gee Jim, two more payments and it should be 'all yours', at least that
is what I tell people about my forty year old pickup. Some things are
just worth keeping!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
Ok Barry,
I guess I will let you off the hook this time.
Jim and N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Hi Jim,
Goodness me, so you have!
Happy Anniversary!!
I should, perhaps, have made it clear that I'm only 'suspicious' when I have
not received any reports as to the Commander's well-being.
I know, of course, that N444BD is in good health and is with a caring owner
;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: JTAddington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Barry,
My feelings are hurt; I have had N444BD 27 years today.
Jim Addington
N444BD
500A
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:58 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
Hello All,
A friend in Switzerland has kindly researched the history of 560E s/n 843
while it was registered there as HB-GEU.
On looking at the overall history of s/n 843, I note it was sold as N2985F
to Blue Heron Corporation, in Auburn, Washington on November 11th 1978 and
has been registered to them ever since.
I am always 'suspicious' of Commanders that are registered to the same owner
for over 20 years and as this one is fast approaching 30 years, I really do
wonder what its current status is.
If anyone knows anything about it, I'd be very grateful for a 'heads-up'!
Best Regards,
Barry
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "JTAddington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
I agree, I got my jeep pickup and my John Deere tractor at the same time
too. When you get it right the first time you don't have to do it over.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
My feelings are hurt; I have had N444BD 27 years today.
Gee Jim, two more payments and it should be 'all yours', at least that is
what I tell people about my forty year old pickup. Some things are just
worth keeping!
Don
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 560E s/n 843, N2985F |
Ricardo Otaola has had is 680F for a very long time, SN 1214-112.
I have had several emails from him recently.
His 680F has a new paint job and is for sale on Controller.
Tylor Hall
On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:53 PM, JTAddington wrote:
> I agree, I got my jeep pickup and my John Deere tractor at the same
> time too. When you get it right the first time you don't have to do
> it over.
> Jim
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:35 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 560E s/n 843, N2985F
>
> My feelings are hurt; I have had N444BD 27 years today.
>
> Gee Jim, two more payments and it should be 'all yours', at least
> that is what I tell people about my forty year old pickup. Some
> things are just worth keeping!
>
> Don
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Joens <cjoens(at)gci.net> |
Howdy Harry,
So this is where you hang out!
Thought I'd post these props to see if they would work for anybody.
Got a couple of complete HC-B3Z30-2's, with 10151-8R blades, and logbooks. A little
over 400 hours on a 1993 major, so obviously they should be inspected.
The props were pulled around 2003 and placed in warm storage since.
So if someone had a couple of 20 spline hubs, they could make a nice set for a
680,E.
And I may be wrong about this, but don't the 30 spline hubs fit the 560F/680F,L,P?
I may have one of them canabalized for the clamps I need on another prop I'm having
built up, so however it all works out it'll be OK.
Thanks in advance,
Chris
cjoens(at)gci.net
907-223-1841
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Electric fuel pump cycling |
Question
Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking that co
ntinues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure needle is
twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on the brakes th
e pump will work continuous untill just short of redline. After the brakes
are released the pressure drops back to six hundred and the clicking relay
sound comes back. Have I just never noticed this untill now, I have owned 5
00RX for a year, or is this a problem ?
Gary
500RX--1974 500S
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| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Electric fuel pump cycling |
Gary,
I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 =BD years. It
is
the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain the 600
lbs. in the system prior to the start of an engine. At that time, the
engine driven pump produces around 1000 lbs. If the engine is running
and the gauge only shows 600 then it indicates a major loss of hydraulic
fluid or both pumps are not working.
It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had the
same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to feel
the total off position of the flap handle as the detent is not that
noticeable.
I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an we
will all learn from it.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Giesler
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
Question
Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking that
continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure
needle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on
the brakes the pump will work continuous untill just short of redline.
After the brakes are released the pressure drops back to six hundred and
the clicking relay sound comes back. Have I just never noticed this
untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year, or is this a problem ?
Gary
500RX--1974 500S
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| From: | Gary Giesler <gjgiesler(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Electric fuel pump cycling |
Don.
When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around 1000. And the
needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking relay sound is there or
not because of the noise. I will experiment with finding the flap " OFF" detent......didn't
know there was one.
Thanks
Gary
500RX
________________________________
> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400
>
>
> Gary,
>
>
>
> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 years. It is the electric
hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain the 600 lbs. in the
system prior to the start of an engine. At that time, the engine driven pump
produces around 1000 lbs. If the engine is running and the gauge only shows
600 then it indicates a major loss of hydraulic fluid or both pumps are not working.
>
>
>
> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had the same
symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to feel the total off
position of the flap handle as the detent is not that noticeable.
>
>
>
> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an we will
all learn from it.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Giesler
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
>
>
> Question
>
> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking that continues
even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure needle is twitching
around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on the brakes the pump will
work continuous untill just short of redline. After the brakes are released
the pressure drops back to six hundred and the clicking relay sound comes back.
Have I just never noticed this untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year,
or is this a problem ?
>
>
Gary
>
500RX--1974 500S
>
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump cycling |
Gary,
You want to hear the hydraulic pump and see 600 psi on the gauge
before you start the engines. If the engine starts and you have no
pressure, it will roll forward unit the engine driven pump can pump up
enough pressure to make the breaks work. Rolling forward when you do
not want to can be a problem of running into something.
In the older 560/680, there is a hand pump that needs to be pumped up
to set the breaks.
Are you aware that you can pull the circuit breaker on the electric
hydraulic pump after you take off?
If you have a hose failure in flight, the electric pump will attempt
to keep the pressure up and pump all the hydraulic oil through the
broken hose? There is a reserve amount in the hydraulic tank that
would allow you to stop the aircraft is you land and push in the
circuit breaker to make the breaks work. It would be a no flap landing.
When was the last time you inspected all the hydraulic hoses? It is a
problem of aging aircraft.
Just a thought.
Tylor Hall
On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Gary Giesler wrote:
> >
>
>
> Don.
> When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around
> 1000. And the needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking
> relay sound is there or not because of the noise. I will experiment
> with finding the flap " OFF" detent......didn't know there was one.
> Thanks
> Gary
> 500RX
> ________________________________
>> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400
>>
>>
>> Gary,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 years.
>> It is the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot
>> maintain the 600 lbs. in the system prior to the start of an
>> engine. At that time, the engine driven pump produces around 1000
>> lbs. If the engine is running and the gauge only shows 600 then it
>> indicates a major loss of hydraulic fluid or both pumps are not
>> working.
>>
>>
>>
>> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have
>> had the same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is
>> difficult to feel the total off position of the flap handle as the
>> detent is not that noticeable.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in
>> an we will all learn from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Gary Giesler
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>>
>>
>>
>> Question
>>
>> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking
>> that continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic
>> pressure needle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise.
>> If I step on the brakes the pump will work continuous untill just
>> short of redline. After the brakes are released the pressure drops
>> back to six hundred and the clicking relay sound comes back. Have I
>> just never noticed this untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year,
>> or is this a problem ?
>>
>>
Gary
>>
500RX
>> --1974 500S
>>
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump cycling |
Gary,
Tylor's input has merit, and Don is on the right track. The noise you
hear is your aux hyd. pump running. You probably don't have a hose or
line problem (unless you're losing hyd. fluid) because you're
making/maintaining the correct 1,000 psi with the engine-driven pumps
and ~5-600 psi with the aux pump....and you didn't mention any red
racing stripes on the outside of the airplane in your original post.
What you have is an excessively bypassing valve in your hyd. system. My
memory is not clear enough to know if there is a way to determine if
it's a flap or steering actuator (does putting the flap handle in
neutral completely isolate the flap system from the hyd. pumps?), but
you DO have a valve that is bypassing.
This has happened to me in my 500B on occasion, the last was a few years
ago and it seemed to heal by itself.....I must have hit a big bump in a
taxiway that freed up the offending valve :-).
Tylor's comments about pulling the aux pump breaker after takeoff are on
the money. The hydraulic reservoir has a standpipe in it that limits the
amount of fluid available to the engine-driven pumps. Theoretically, in
the event of a hydraulic leak, with the aux pump off you will have fluid
left in the reservoir for brakes on landing (remember to push the
breaker in on final).
If you fail to pull the breaker after takeoff, and have a major leak,
once the standpipe level is reached, the aux pump will happily continue
to pump your valuable fluid overboard until the reservoir is dry. Ask me
how I know. Even a slow, gentle nosegear collapse can get pricey....
/John
Tylor Hall wrote:
>
>
> Gary,
> You want to hear the hydraulic pump and see 600 psi on the gauge
> before you start the engines. If the engine starts and you have no
> pressure, it will roll forward unit the engine driven pump can pump up
> enough pressure to make the breaks work. Rolling forward when you do
> not want to can be a problem of running into something.
>
> In the older 560/680, there is a hand pump that needs to be pumped up
> to set the breaks.
>
> Are you aware that you can pull the circuit breaker on the electric
> hydraulic pump after you take off?
>
> If you have a hose failure in flight, the electric pump will attempt
> to keep the pressure up and pump all the hydraulic oil through the
> broken hose? There is a reserve amount in the hydraulic tank that
> would allow you to stop the aircraft is you land and push in the
> circuit breaker to make the breaks work. It would be a no flap landing.
>
> When was the last time you inspected all the hydraulic hoses? It is a
> problem of aging aircraft.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Gary Giesler wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don.
>> When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around
>> 1000. And the needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking
>> relay sound is there or not because of the noise. I will experiment
>> with finding the flap " OFF" detent......didn't know there was one.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Gary 500RX
>> ________________________________
>>> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 years. It
>>> is the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain
>>> the 600 lbs. in the system prior to the start of an engine. At that
>>> time, the engine driven pump produces around 1000 lbs. If the
>>> engine is running and the gauge only shows 600 then it indicates a
>>> major loss of hydraulic fluid or both pumps are not working.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had
>>> the same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to
>>> feel the total off position of the flap handle as the detent is not
>>> that noticeable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an
>>> we will all learn from it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>>> Giesler
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Question
>>>
>>> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking
>>> that continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic
>>> pressure needle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise.
>>> If I step on the brakes the pump will work continuous untill just
>>> short of redline. After the brakes are released the pressure drops
>>> back to six hundred and the clicking relay sound comes back. Have I
>>> just never noticed this untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year,
>>> or is this a problem ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> 500RX--1974 500S
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
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>>> Messenger. Get started!
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| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump cycling |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
My free opinion -- and worth every penny -- is that if your flap handle is
in the neutral detent and your aux hydraulic pump is cycling quickly you sho
uld (in order of expense):
Check the nitrogen charge on the hydraulic accumulator.=C2- If just 50 psi
low, it will cause cycling.=C2- The hydraulic accumulator is high up in t
he left nacelle and has a Schraeder valve on it.=C2- When you taxi or oper
ate the flaps, do you have a hydraulic "slam?"=C2- If so, that's also a sy
mptom of low accumulator pressure.
High pressure out-put from the engine hydraulic
pumps is routed to a pressure regulator.=C2-
This pressure regulator is commonly called the accumulator=C2-by pilots.
=C2-
You should know that it is an accumulator, as well as a =9Cloading &
unloading valve=9D that keeps hydraulic system pressure even and dampe
ns pressure
surges while operating any of the hydraulically actuated components.
An
important operating tip; when is the hydraulic accumulator low?
=C2-
If you feel or hear a =9Cslam=9D during steering the
Aero Commander on the ground, the nitrogen charge=C2-in this
accumulator has dropped below the 600 psi required for normal system
operation.=C2-
If a few dollars'
squirt of nitrogen doesn't stop the cycling, the seals in the flap
& landing gear control valve assembly need to be replaced.=C2- That
really means overhaul it. =C2- That control valve assembly is under the
center pedestal, floor.
By the way, Tylor is correct about the electric aux hydraulic c/b.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
=C2-
=C2-
Gary,=C2-
You want to hear the hydraulic pump and see 600 psi on the gauge before you
start the engines. If the engine starts and you have no pressure, it will r
oll forward unit the engine driven pump can pump up enough pressure to make
the breaks work. Rolling forward when you do not want to can be a problem o
f running into something.=C2-
=C2-
In the older 560/680, there is a hand pump that needs to be pumped up to set
the breaks.=C2-
=C2-
Are you aware that you can pull the circuit breaker on the electric hydrauli
c pump after you take off?=C2-
=C2-
If you have a hose failure in flight, the electric pump will attempt to keep
the pressure up and pump all the hydraulic oil through the broken hose? Th
ere is a reserve amount in the hydraulic tank that would allow you to stop t
he aircraft is you land and push in the circuit breaker to make the breaks w
ork. It would be a no flap landing.=C2-
=C2-
When was the last time you inspected all the hydraulic hoses? It is a probl
em of aging aircraft.=C2-
=C2-
Just a thought.=C2-
=C2-
Tylor Hall=C2-
=C2-
On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Gary Giesler wrote:=C2-
=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
>=C2-
> Don.=C2-
> When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around > 1000.
And the needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking > relay sound
is there or not because of the noise. I will experiment > with finding the f
lap " OFF" detent......didn't know there was one.=C2-
> Thanks=C2
-
>
Gary> 500RX=C2-
> ________________________________=C2-
>> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net=C2-
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=C2-
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling=C2-
>> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> Gary,=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 =C2=BD years. >>
It is the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot >> maintain t
he 600 lbs. in the system prior to the start of an >> engine. At that time,
the engine driven pump produces around 1000 >> lbs. If the engine is runni
ng and the gauge only shows 600 then it >> indicates a major loss of hydraul
ic fluid or both pumps are not >> working.=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have >> had t
he same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is >> difficult to feel
the total off position of the flap handle as the >> detent is not that notic
eable.=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in >> an w
e will all learn from it.=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> Don=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> -----Original Message-----=C2-
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com>> ] On Behalf Of Gary Giesler=C2-
>> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM=C2-
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=C2-
>> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>>=C2-
>> Question=C2-
>>=C2-
>> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking >> tha
t continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic >> pressure nee
dle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. >> If I step on the b
rakes the pump will work continuous untill just >> short of redline. After t
he brakes are released the pressure drops >> back to six hundred and the cli
cking relay sound comes back. Have I >> just never noticed this untill now,
I have owned 500RX for a year, >> or is this a problem ?=C2-
>>=C2-
>>
Gary=C2-
>>
500RX>> --1974 500S=C2-
>>=C2-
>> ________________________________=C2-
>>=C2-
>> Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live >> Messenge
r. Get started!=C2-
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51N1653A=C2-
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=C2-
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============C2-
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump cycling |
Keith, nice! I forgot all about the accumulator....
/John
Keith S. Gordon wrote:
> *My free opinion -- and worth every penny -- is that if your flap
> handle is in the neutral detent and your aux hydraulic pump is cycling
> quickly you should (in order of expense):
>
> Check the nitrogen charge on the hydraulic accumulator. If just 50
> psi low, it will cause cycling. The hydraulic accumulator is high up
> in the left nacelle and has a Schraeder valve on it. When you taxi or
> operate the flaps, do you have a hydraulic "slam?" If so, that's also
> a symptom of low accumulator pressure.
>
>
> *
> High pressure out-put from the engine hydraulic pumps is routed to a
> pressure regulator. This pressure regulator is commonly called the
> accumulator by pilots. You should know that it is an accumulator, as
> well as a loading & unloading valve that keeps hydraulic system
> pressure even and dampens pressure surges while operating any of the
> hydraulically actuated components.
>
>
> An important operating tip; when is the hydraulic accumulator low?
>
>
> If you feel or hear a slam during steering the Aero Commander on the
> ground, the nitrogen charge in this accumulator has dropped below the
> 600 psi required for normal system operation.
>
> *
> If a few dollars' squirt of nitrogen doesn't stop the cycling, the
> seals in the flap & landing gear control valve assembly need to be
> replaced. That really means overhaul it. That control valve
> assembly is under the center pedestal, floor.
>
> By the way, Tylor is correct about the electric aux hydraulic c/b.
> **
> Wing Commander Gordon
> *
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 8:09 pm
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
> >
>
> Gary,
> You want to hear the hydraulic pump and see 600 psi on the gauge
> before you start the engines. If the engine starts and you have no
> pressure, it will roll forward unit the engine driven pump can pump up
> enough pressure to make the breaks work. Rolling forward when you do
> not want to can be a problem of running into something.
>
> In the older 560/680, there is a hand pump that needs to be pumped up
> to set the breaks.
>
> Are you aware that you can pull the circuit breaker on the electric
> hydraulic pump after you take off?
>
> If you have a hose failure in flight, the electric pump will attempt
> to keep the pressure up and pump all the hydraulic oil through the
> broken hose? There is a reserve amount in the hydraulic tank that
> would allow you to stop the aircraft is you land and push in the
> circuit breaker to make the breaks work. It would be a no flap landing.
>
> When was the last time you inspected all the hydraulic hoses? It is a
> problem of aging aircraft.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Gary Giesler wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > Don.
> > When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around > 1000.
> And the needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking > relay
> sound is there or not because of the noise. I will experiment > with
> finding the flap " OFF" detent......didn't know there was one.
> > Thanks
> > Gary> 500RX
> > ________________________________
> >> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net <mailto:dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
> >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
> >> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 years. >>
> It is the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot >>
> maintain the 600 lbs. in the system prior to the start of an >>
> engine. At that time, the engine driven pump produces around 1000 >>
> lbs. If the engine is running and the gauge only shows 600 then it >>
> indicates a major loss of hydraulic fluid or both pumps are not >>
> working.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have >>
> had the same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is >>
> difficult to feel the total off position of the flap handle as the >>
> detent is not that noticeable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in
> >> an we will all learn from it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> >> ] On Behalf Of
> Gary Giesler
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
> >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Question
> >>
> >> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking
> >> that continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic >>
> pressure needle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. >>
> If I step on the brakes the pump will work continuous untill just >>
> short of redline. After the brakes are released the pressure drops >>
> back to six hundred and the clicking relay sound comes back. Have I >>
> just never noticed this untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year, >>
> or is this a problem ?
> >>
> >> Gary
> >> 500RX>> --1974 500S
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric fuel pump cycling |
I know this is an entirely dirrent string. but--
the commander is wonderful it has three hydraulic pumps one elec and two
engine. if all three fail and or the fluid pumps out (shouldn't if you
follow directions as noted wrt cir brker)
then you CAN get all the gear down - first with the N2 blow down bottle
assuming it is topped off. if it is too low, just slow down to right above
stall, pop the nose up and the gravity will pull down the gear as you put
the gear handle down. the bungee cords on the mainlys will lock them over
TDC and they will latch.. and the nose should lock too. three green will
confirm it. a nicely pollished spinner on the props will allow you to look
at the nose gear to see it is down. So I don't plan to have a nose gear
collapse in my 500B!
Now - reverse steering with a blown o ring in the nose gear steering is
another topic!
bobf
500B
On 4/5/08, dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
>
> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 =BD years. It is
> the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain the 600
> lbs. in the system prior to the start of an engine. At that time, the
> engine driven pump produces around 1000 lbs. If the engine is running an
d
> the gauge only shows 600 then it indicates a major loss of hydraulic flui
d
> or both pumps are not working.
>
>
> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had the
> same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to feel the
> total off position of the flap handle as the detent is not that noticeabl
e.
>
>
> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an we
> will all learn from it.
>
>
> Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary Giesler
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
>
> Question
>
> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking that
> continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure needl
e
> is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on the brake
s
> the pump will work continuous untill just short of redline. After the bra
kes
> are released the pressure drops back to six hundred and the clicking rela
y
> sound comes back. Have I just never noticed this untill now, I have owned
> 500RX for a year, or is this a problem ?
>
>
> Gary
>
500RX--1974
> 500S
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| Subject: | Electric fuel pump cycling |
All,
Just to share:
In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
to remember before landing. With the catastrophic loss of fluid the
landings again were a non issue. The first time the line was in the
baggage area with the unpleasant result obvious. The second time it was
fitting between two sections of line but this time it was in a wing root
with the fluid running down the side of the fuselage.
Recently, within the last 3 months, I had another issue where after
start up the hydraulic pressure didn't register above 600 and I assumed
it was failure of the engine driven pumps (again). It turned out to be
the accumulator/regulator. Apparently something in the regulator wears
and needs to be overhauled. There is only one place in the country that
does it and the overhauled part is sold through commander service
centers. It is a $4900.00 item with a $4000.00 core charge to assure
them that your part is able to be overhauled. Replacing the part solved
the problem and luckily my core charge was returned to me a month or so
later.
Again, this is just to share experiences and I am always open to other
more knowledgeable comments.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Giesler
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
Don.
When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around 1000.
And the needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking relay
sound is there or not because of the noise. I will experiment with
finding the flap " OFF" detent......didn't know there was one.
Thanks
Gary 500RX
________________________________
> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400
>
>
> Gary,
>
>
>
> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 years. It
is the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain the
600 lbs. in the system prior to the start of an engine. At that time,
the engine driven pump produces around 1000 lbs. If the engine is
running and the gauge only shows 600 then it indicates a major loss of
hydraulic fluid or both pumps are not working.
>
>
>
> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had
the same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to
feel the total off position of the flap handle as the detent is not that
noticeable.
>
>
>
> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an
we will all learn from it.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Giesler
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
>
>
> Question
>
> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking
that continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure
needle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on
the brakes the pump will work continuous untill just short of redline.
After the brakes are released the pressure drops back to six hundred and
the clicking relay sound comes back. Have I just never noticed this
untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year, or is this a problem ?
>
>
Gary
>
500RX--1974 500S
>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Electric fuel pump cycling |
Thanks for the excellent discussion regarding hydraulic systems. That's
what makes this forum so valuable and helpful to Commander owners. I am
getting all new hydraulic hoses with the new engines in my 680F. I have
added the "pull the hydraulic pump switch" to my climb-out check list, and
of course try to remember to push it back in prior to landing. Thanks again
for the great comments.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
All,
Just to share:
In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
to remember before landing. With the catastrophic loss of fluid the
landings again were a non issue. The first time the line was in the
baggage area with the unpleasant result obvious. The second time it was
fitting between two sections of line but this time it was in a wing root
with the fluid running down the side of the fuselage.
Recently, within the last 3 months, I had another issue where after
start up the hydraulic pressure didn't register above 600 and I assumed
it was failure of the engine driven pumps (again). It turned out to be
the accumulator/regulator. Apparently something in the regulator wears
and needs to be overhauled. There is only one place in the country that
does it and the overhauled part is sold through commander service
centers. It is a $4900.00 item with a $4000.00 core charge to assure
them that your part is able to be overhauled. Replacing the part solved
the problem and luckily my core charge was returned to me a month or so
later.
Again, this is just to share experiences and I am always open to other
more knowledgeable comments.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Giesler
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:25 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
Don.
When the engines are driving their pumps the psi is around 1000.
And the needle is not twitching , I cant tell if the clicking relay
sound is there or not because of the noise. I will experiment with
finding the flap " OFF" detent......didn't know there was one.
Thanks
Gary 500RX
________________________________
> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:51:19 -0400
>
>
> Gary,
>
>
>
> I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 years. It
is the electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain the
600 lbs. in the system prior to the start of an engine. At that time,
the engine driven pump produces around 1000 lbs. If the engine is
running and the gauge only shows 600 then it indicates a major loss of
hydraulic fluid or both pumps are not working.
>
>
>
> It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had
the same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to
feel the total off position of the flap handle as the detent is not that
noticeable.
>
>
>
> I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an
we will all learn from it.
>
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Giesler
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
>
>
> Question
>
> Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking
that continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure
needle is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on
the brakes the pump will work continuous untill just short of redline.
After the brakes are released the pressure drops back to six hundred and
the clicking relay sound comes back. Have I just never noticed this
untill now, I have owned 500RX for a year, or is this a problem ?
>
>
Gary
>
500RX--1974 500S
>
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| Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
As the French say, "Each to his own fish."? At least I've been told they say that.
I always taught a flow pattern that linked the gear handle movement with the aux
hydraulic c/b.?
Gear up, pull the c/b.?
Gear down (after verifying stable hydraulic pressure) aux hydraulic c/b set.
I know there is a school of thought that says c/b's are not switches.? There is
a school of thought that says a c/b can take thousands of resets.
My suggestion has always been to replace the aux hydraulic c/b with a breaker switch.?
I really like that idea because you can install the switch so that up
is off.?? (If this were not such a public place, I'd suggest moving this switch
next to the gear handle.)
In normal ops, gear handle and switch position are the same: Gear up / switch up
= aux hydraulic pump disabled.
Gear handle down / switch down (on) =? aux pump enabled.
With a hydraulic abnormal, the pump stays disabled until just prior to touchdown,
possibly restoring brakes, the most important appliance at that moment.
This may be a bit much for some Commander owners to wrap their minds around but
with a bit of time in type and a practiced flow pattern, I'm convinced it's the
way to go.?
I've been through 3 catastrophic hydraulic failures and the fact that I disable
the aux pump gave me brakes and nose wheel steering 2 out of the 3 times.
But then, I prefer salmon to flounder.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:04 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
All,
Just to share:
In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
to remember before landing.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Gear up, breaker out / gear down, breaker in. I like that. Thanks.
RD
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
As the French say, "Each to his own fish." At least I've been told they say
that.
I always taught a flow pattern that linked the gear handle movement with the
aux hydraulic c/b.
Gear up, pull the c/b.
Gear down (after verifying stable hydraulic pressure) aux hydraulic c/b set.
I know there is a school of thought that says c/b's are not switches. There
is a school of thought that says a c/b can take thousands of resets.
My suggestion has always been to replace the aux hydraulic c/b with a
breaker switch. I really like that idea because you can install the switch
so that up is off. (If this were not such a public place, I'd suggest
moving this switch next to the gear handle.)
In normal ops, gear handle and switch position are the same: Gear up /
switch up = aux hydraulic pump disabled.
Gear handle down / switch down (on) = aux pump enabled.
With a hydraulic abnormal, the pump stays disabled until just prior to
touchdown, possibly restoring brakes, the most important appliance at that
moment.
This may be a bit much for some Commander owners to wrap their minds around
but with a bit of time in type and a practiced flow pattern, I'm convinced
it's the way to go.
I've been through 3 catastrophic hydraulic failures a n d the fact that I
disable the aux pump gave me brakes and nose wheel steering 2 out of the 3
times.
But then, I prefer salmon to flounder.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:04 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
All,
Just to share:
In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
to remember before landing.
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Let's see now....gear out and ahhh cb up?
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Gear up, breaker out / gear down, breaker in. I like that. Thanks.
RD
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:15 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
As the French say, "Each to his own fish." At least I've been told
they say that.
I always taught a flow pattern that linked the gear handle movement
with the aux hydraulic c/b.
Gear up, pull the c/b.
Gear down (after verifying stable hydraulic pressure) aux hydraulic
c/b set.
I know there is a school of thought that says c/b's are not switches.
There is a school of thought that says a c/b can take thousands of
resets.
My suggestion has always been to replace the aux hydraulic c/b with a
breaker switch. I really like that idea because you can install the
switch so that up is off. (If this were not such a public place, I'd
suggest moving this switch next to the gear handle.)
In normal ops, gear handle and switch position are the same: Gear up /
switch up = aux hydraulic pump disabled.
Gear handle down / switch down (on) = aux pump enabled.
With a hydraulic abnormal, the pump stays disabled until just prior to
touchdown, possibly restoring brakes, the most important appliance at
that moment.
This may be a bit much for some Commander owners to wrap their minds
around but with a bit of time in type and a practiced flow pattern, I'm
convinced it's the way to go.
I've been through 3 catastrophic hydraulic failures a n d the fact
that I disable the aux pump gave me brakes and nose wheel steering 2 out
of the 3 times.
But then, I prefer salmon to flounder.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:04 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
All,
Just to share:
In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
to remember before landing.
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Electric fuel pump cycling |
I wrote earlier about a total hydraulic loss in my straight 500 a number
of
years ago and slowing down to just above stall-speed popped the gear
down
and locked without any hesitation. After an uneventful landing (I
believe I
feathered both engines on short final just in case), without hydraulics,
the
plane stayed on the center line and as it slowed down it slowly castered
off
the runway into the rough where it came to a halt. The fire truck picked
me
up and I had the FBO tow it back to the shop. It wasn't a non-event but
the
in-flight hydraulic failure was more of a heart-stopper than the
landing.
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
I know this is an entirely dirrent string. but--
the commander is wonderful it has three hydraulic pumps one elec and two
engine. if all three fail and or the fluid pumps out (shouldn't if you
follow directions as noted wrt cir brker)
then you CAN get all the gear down - first with the N2 blow down bottle
assuming it is topped off. if it is too low, just slow down to right
above
stall, pop the nose up and the gravity will pull down the gear as you
put
the gear handle down. the bungee cords on the mainlys will lock them
over
TDC and they will latch.. and the nose should lock too. three green will
confirm it. a nicely pollished spinner on the props will allow you to
look
at the nose gear to see it is down. So I don't plan to have a nose gear
collapse in my 500B!
Now - reverse steering with a blown o ring in the nose gear steering is
another topic!
bobf
500B
On 4/5/08, dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
Gary,
I am certainly no expert, but I have owned a 500S for 3 =BD years. It
is the
electric hydraulic pump that you hear as it try sot maintain the 600
lbs. in
the system prior to the start of an engine. At that time, the engine
driven
pump produces around 1000 lbs. If the engine is running and the gauge
only
shows 600 then it indicates a major loss of hydraulic fluid or both
pumps
are not working.
It the flap lever is not in the totally off position then I have had the
same symptoms that you are having. Sometimes it is difficult to feel
the
total off position of the flap handle as the detent is not that
noticeable.
I am sure others with many more years of experience will chime in an we
will
all learn from it.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Giesler
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
Question
Before starting the engines i am hearing a pulsing relay clicking that
continues even after the flaps are retracted.The hydraulic pressure
needle
is twitching around 600psi as it makes this noise. If I step on the
brakes
the pump will work continuous untill just short of redline. After the
brakes
are released the pressure drops back to six hundred and the clicking
relay
sound comes back. Have I just never noticed this untill now, I have
owned
500RX for a year, or is this a problem ?
Gary
500RX--1974 500S
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| Subject: | RE: Strap yourself in. |
Only in the beginning. After a while of practice, one gets the knack of it
and learns to fly straight and level. :-D
Is this the way you fly??? =-O
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
WCG, that's absolutely right since a Hyd. rupture would cause the aux pump to pump
everything above the sump overboard.
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
----- Original Message ----
From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:15:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
As the French say, "Each to his own fish." At least I've been told they say that.
I always taught a flow pattern that linked the gear handle movement with the aux
hydraulic c/b.
Gear up, pull the c/b.
Gear down (after verifying stable hydraulic pressure) aux hydraulic c/b set.
I know there is a school of thought that says c/b's are not switches. There is
a school of thought that says a c/b can take thousands of resets.
My suggestion has always been to replace the aux hydraulic c/b with a breaker switch.
I really like that idea because you can install the switch so that up
is off. (If this were not such a public place, I'd suggest moving this switch
next to the gear handle.)
In normal ops, gear handle and switch position are the same: Gear up / switch up
= aux hydraulic pump disabled.
Gear handle down / switch down (on) = aux pump enabled.
With a hydraulic abnormal, the pump stays disabled until just prior to touchdown,
possibly restoring brakes, the most important appliance at that moment.
This may be a bit much for some Commander owners to wrap their minds around but
with a bit of time in type and a practiced flow pattern, I'm convinced it's the
way to go.
I've been through 3 catastrophic hydraulic failures a n d the fact that I disable
the aux pump gave me brakes and nose wheel steering 2 out of the 3 times.
But then, I prefer salmon to flounder.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:04 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
All,
Just to share:
In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
to remember before landing.
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Donnie, do you mean it would pump everything above the standpipe in the
hydraulic fluid reservoir out? The standpipe is for the engine-driven
pumps IIRC....the aux pump runs from a drain at the bottom of the
reservoir. That's so you always have a little fluid in reserve for the
aux pump to use for steering & brakes in a hydraulic failure event....so
in a properly functioning hydraulic system (in a 500B anyway), the aux
pump would pump EVERY DROP overboard if you had a hose rupture.
Again....ask me how I know :-).
With my total hydraulic failure, I went to an airport with an 8,000 foot
runway (OK, it was Morris' home base :-), landed normally & held the
nose off until the last taxiway, when I reduced power until I lost
elevator authority. The nose settled slowly, I rolled a few feet, and
the nose gear gently folded. I broke a bellcrank and damaged one gear
door. No fuselage skin damage at all. Could have been worse. At least I
didn't block the runway!
After that I pulled the tail down, we locked the nose gear down, and
towed it to Morris' hangar where he fixed it with a minimum of difficulty.
I would be very reluctant to feather both engines on short final or
after landing, after a hydraulic failure; I would rather retain some
directional control. In a truly life-threatening situation I think I
would still be able to use asymmetrical power & rudder to intentionally
ground-loop the airplane. I've also found that windmilling props are
quite a set of brakes on their own. The airplane feels much more slick
with one feathered...and I think Bob Hoover's routine shows how slick
the airframe is with two feathered!
/J
Donnie Rose wrote:
> WCG, that's absolutely right since a Hyd. rupture would cause the aux
> pump to pump everything above the sump overboard.
>
>
> *Donnie Rose
> 205/492-8444*
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:15:09 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
>
> *As the French say, "Each to his own fish." At least I've been told
> they say that.
>
> I always taught a flow pattern that linked the gear handle movement
> with the aux hydraulic c/b.
>
> Gear up, pull the c/b.
>
> Gear down (after verifying stable hydraulic pressure) aux hydraulic
> c/b set.
>
> I know there is a school of thought that says c/b's are not switches.
> There is a school of thought that says a c/b can take thousands of resets.
>
> My suggestion has always been to replace the aux hydraulic c/b with a
> breaker switch. I really like that idea because you can install the
> switch so that up is off. (If this were not such a public place, I'd
> suggest moving this switch next to the gear handle.)
>
> In normal ops, gear handle and switch position are the same: Gear up /
> switch up = aux hydraulic pump disabled.
>
> Gear handle down / switch down (on) = aux pump enabled.
>
> With a hydraulic abnormal, the pump stays disabled until just prior to
> touchdown, possibly restoring brakes, the most important appliance at
> that moment.
>
> This may be a bit much for some Commander owners to wrap their minds
> around but with a bit of time in type and a practiced flow pattern,
> I'm convinced it's the way to go.
>
> I've been through 3 catastrophic hydraulic failures a n d the fact
> that I disable the aux pump gave me brakes and nose wheel steering 2
> out of the 3 times.
>
> But then, I prefer salmon to flounder.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
> *
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:04 pm
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
>
> All,
>
>
> Just to share:
>
>
> In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
>
> Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
>
> airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the remaining
>
> fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
>
> hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another thing
>
> to remember before landing.
>
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
I thought a lot after the incident whether feathering both engines was a
good move or not. At the time I was more concerned about collapsing gear and
the expense of a prop strike (I didn't think it was a good time to find out
whether the prop would hit the ground after a gear-collapse) than
directional control, with the runway being more than a mile, slightly uphill
and the rough on the side smooth enough for a couple of hundred feet either
side. It turned out OK. If there had been drainage ditches, a prop strike
would have been the least of my troubles, I guess.
N.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
Donnie, do you mean it would pump everything above the standpipe in the
hydraulic fluid reservoir out? The standpipe is for the engine-driven pumps
IIRC....the aux pump runs from a drain at the bottom of the reservoir.
That's so you always have a little fluid in reserve for the aux pump to use
for steering & brakes in a hydraulic failure event....so in a properly
functioning hydraulic system (in a 500B anyway), the aux pump would pump
EVERY DROP overboard if you had a hose rupture.
Again....ask me how I know :-).
With my total hydraulic failure, I went to an airport with an 8,000 foot
runway (OK, it was Morris' home base :-), landed normally & held the nose
off until the last taxiway, when I reduced power until I lost elevator
authority. The nose settled slowly, I rolled a few feet, and the nose gear
gently folded. I broke a bellcrank and damaged one gear door. No fuselage
skin damage at all. Could have been worse. At least I didn't block the
runway!
After that I pulled the tail down, we locked the nose gear down, and towed
it to Morris' hangar where he fixed it with a minimum of difficulty.
I would be very reluctant to feather both engines on short final or after
landing, after a hydraulic failure; I would rather retain some directional
control. In a truly life-threatening situation I think I would still be able
to use asymmetrical power & rudder to intentionally ground-loop the
airplane. I've also found that windmilling props are quite a set of brakes
on their own. The airplane feels much more slick with one feathered...and I
think Bob Hoover's routine shows how slick the airframe is with two
feathered!
/J
Donnie Rose wrote:
> WCG, that's absolutely right since a Hyd. rupture would cause the aux
> pump to pump everything above the sump overboard.
>
>
> *Donnie Rose
> 205/492-8444*
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 5:15:09 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas
>
> *As the French say, "Each to his own fish." At least I've been told
> they say that.
>
> I always taught a flow pattern that linked the gear handle movement
> with the aux hydraulic c/b.
>
> Gear up, pull the c/b.
>
> Gear down (after verifying stable hydraulic pressure) aux hydraulic
> c/b set.
>
> I know there is a school of thought that says c/b's are not switches.
> There is a school of thought that says a c/b can take thousands of resets.
>
> My suggestion has always been to replace the aux hydraulic c/b with a
> breaker switch. I really like that idea because you can install the
> switch so that up is off. (If this were not such a public place, I'd
> suggest moving this switch next to the gear handle.)
>
> In normal ops, gear handle and switch position are the same: Gear up /
> switch up = aux hydraulic pump disabled.
>
> Gear handle down / switch down (on) = aux pump enabled.
>
> With a hydraulic abnormal, the pump stays disabled until just prior to
> touchdown, possibly restoring brakes, the most important appliance at
> that moment.
>
> This may be a bit much for some Commander owners to wrap their minds
> around but with a bit of time in type and a practiced flow pattern,
> I'm convinced it's the way to go.
>
> I've been through 3 catastrophic hydraulic failures a n d the fact
> that I disable the aux pump gave me brakes and nose wheel steering 2
> out of the 3 times.
>
> But then, I prefer salmon to flounder.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
> *
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:04 pm
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Electric fuel pump cycling
>
> --> >
>
>
> All,
>
>
> Just to share:
>
>
> In the last year, I have had two occasions of loss of all hyd.
>
> Pressure/fluid due to holes in the hydraulic lines. Each time I was
>
> airborne and the landing and roll out was no issue due to the
> remaining
>
> fluid in the reservoir and the electric hyd. Pump. I would be real
>
> hesitant to pull the breaker after take off and then have another
> thing
>
> to remember before landing.
>
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Hydraulic Pump Ideas |
Good Evening Gentlemen,
Just a comment from a non current Commander type.
It is pretty basic, but do you teach the use of adverse aileron drag to aid
in directional control on the ground?
If you are getting down to low speed and the nose starts to swing to the
left, full left aileron will help it come back toward the center. Those ailerons
are pretty effective even with the nose on the ground. The drag of a down
aileron will help even at very low speeds.
It is certainly not intuitive to use left aileron when the nose is swinging
to the left, but it will help bring it back to the right!
And, of course, the same principle works if the nose is heading to the right
when you do not want it to.
Right aileron will bring the nose to the left.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
February 14, 2008 - April 06, 2008
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