Commander-Archive.digest.vol-cz
April 17, 2008 - April 25, 2008
| Subject: | OK, Who IS this? |
|
| Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDNan_tbBss&NR=1
|
| It's a 9-min. video of Commanders....including pics taken from the
| copilot seat of N222JS!
|
| I know it's one of you guys! ...or someone who should be on the list.
| Especially considering that I'm pretty sure I know at least HALF the people in
this video!
|
| Jimbob, you're there...
| Chris & Dan, you're there too...
| Who is the upside-down red/white airplane? Crunk?
|
| I've seen many of these pics, but have never seen them assembled all in one
place.....seriously....who ARE you?
|
| Cheers,
|
| /John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
cs, would suspect John Towner or his crew would have one somewhere. gmc
From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE:
Commander-List: Blast from the past...Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:38:16 -0700
Well, well. It's good to hear from you again, Chris. 100 hour weeks? That's
rough, man.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 4
:54 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Commander-List: Blast from t
he past...
Howdy friends - both old and just not introduced yet. Chris Schuermann her
e. Haven't been on the list in many a year, but hopefully there's still a
few old faces around here who remember me. Still clinging to life in Okla
homa, working 100 hour weeks, and trying to fit a little flying and fun in
between large chunks of reality.Anyway, I received the following email and
figured JB or someone here would be much better suited to help these folks
out.cheers,Chris Schuermann-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
Aero commander SRM - 680, 690 , 500S
Date:
From:
Jess Smith
Dear Sir
I am writing on behalf of General Aviation Maintenance (GAM Group) ' Melb
ourne Australia, to kindly request your Assistance on below matter.
Currently we are operating 34 Aero Commander Aircrafts on our fleet, and we
are trying to get hold of a COPY Of Structural Repair Manual (SRM) for a 6
90, 680 or 500s Series.
We are more than happy to purchase a Copy if you have one in your organisat
ion and please contact me with a return mail, so I could organise necessary
arrangements ASAP.
Further more this copy DOES NOT have to be a current updated version, as we
are in the process of certifying repair solution through local Authorities
and this SRM will be serve only as a guide to prepare Engineering Document
ations.
Thank you In Advance,
Regards
Shaminda Chandrasena
Aeronautical Engineer.
PS- It would be greatly appreciated if you could direct me to some one who
hold a SRM, just in case you don=92t have a SRM In your organisation.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Chris neglected to mention he is flying an airplane with a wing on the bottom.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177380#177380
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander on E-bay |
Hi Barry,
Can you provide me with performance figures of a 680T?
Unable to find by internet.
Thanks,
Rgerads,
Frits Abbing
--- On Wed, 4/16/08, Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander on E-bay
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 7:52 PM
> Hello All,
>
> When it first came on the market, the 680T had TPE331-29A
> engines and a wing span of 49ft. 0.56 inches.
>
> The factory called all of these back and they were
> re-engined with TPE331-43 engines and had the wing span
> reduced to 44ft. 9.7 inches.
> They also had their original 84-inch diameter props
> replaced with 90-inch ones.
>
> As the Wing Commander points out, some Commanders that had
> the pre TPE331-5 series engines had them replaced with
> TPE-331-1-151K and were known as "Century
> Turbos".
>
> Regarding the TPE331-43BL, these were a factory standard
> installation introduced on the 680W "Turbo II"
> Commander, but the first Commander to utilise that engine
> with bleed air for the pressurization and environmental
> systems was the Model 681 "Hawk".
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith S. Gordon
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander on E-bay
>
>
> Anyone know WHAT this is? Is it a conversion or factory
> turbines... (pre Century) What does that mean? The small
> engines?
>
>
> The AC680T was the first production model Turbo
> Commander. All of the 680 Turbine series had the Garrett
> dash 43 engines, ranging from 43, 43A and 43BL.
>
> The Century series were any dash number at or above 100,
> such as TPE 331-151K.
>
> Saying this is a 680T with a -43A conversion means they
> put the later engine on the earlier airframe.
>
> The -43 series did not offer much more power than the
> piston engine on the AC680FL and were very temperature
> critical, meaning as soon as it was over 15C, you were
> losing power. Each upgrade dash number was slight
> improvement.
>
> An "interesting" aspect of this airplane is the
> "engines 200 SMOH by Garrett/1538 SMOH by
> AiResearch." I don't think Garrett/AiResearch has
> supported this engine in a long long time. Last facility I
> knew that supported this engine was Bob Hancock of Hancock
> Turbines outside of Nashville, TN., but then the airplane
> has not flown much at all, so the engine SMOH statement is
> probably right.
>
> The AC680T used a hydraulic (Skydrol) powered cabin
> supercharger. The AC680V and up used bleed air. The
> AC680W was the first all Weather model (certified known
> ice) and a Century Conversion that would place a flat-rated
> 525shp all the way to altitude is a scr eamer.
>
> The Achilles Heel of this model is actually the New York
> Airbrake 3000 psi hydraulic pump used to drive the cabin
> supercharger. The utility system is stepped down to the
> normal Commander hydraulic system pressures. This pump is
> damn near impossible to find. The two 680Ts I was involved
> with burned up these pumps within a few hours -- turned out
> they were lower output pumps field modified to make 3000
> psi, or so thought the fellow supplying us with them. Not
> so.
>
> If you remove the pressurization system, a lower output
> pump could be used. If used as an upressurized camera
> ship, this could be OK ... if being equipped with an
> orphaned engine is OK. To be fair, if you're not too
> far from Hancock's place, you'd have excellent
> support.
>
> This all off the top of my head ... or the more aptly,
> the bottom where all the facts are mixed in with all kinds
> of sediment. I trust Sir Barry to come up with the proper
> dash numbers, engine powers, etc.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions &
> More!
Be a better friend, newshound, and
know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AAInstalls(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander on E-bay |
Frits, I flew a 680T converted to a V in the the mid-seventies out of
Daytona Beach and Atlanta. With 575 SHP on each side it seemed like a rocket
to me
back then. I remember flying in the mid to high teens the most. I filed
high altitude airways quite frequently and flew below FL180 often. Plan on
200 to 250 pph each side (60-75 gph). I remember around 220ktas more often
than not. One word of advise on the ebay machine. The purchase price is not
a
concern. You'll need deep pockets to operate it. Be prepared for some big
expenses. Al Auger
In a message dated 4/17/2008 7:22:28 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: Frits Abbing
Hi Barry,
Can you provide me with performance figures of a 680T?
Unable to find by internet.
Thanks,
Rgerads,
Frits Abbing
--- On Wed, 4/16/08, Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander on E-bay
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 2008, 7:52 PM
> Hello All,
>
> When it first came on the market, the 680T had TPE331-29A
> engines and a wing span of 49ft. 0.56 inches.
>
> The factory called all of these back and they were
> re-engined with TPE331-43 engines and had the wing span
> reduced to 44ft. 9.7 inches.
> They also had their original 84-inch diameter props
> replaced with 90-inch ones.
>
> As the Wing Commander points out, some Commanders that had
> the pre TPE331-5 series engines had them replaced with
> TPE-331-1-151K and were known as "Century
> Turbos".
>
> Regarding the TPE331-43BL, these were a factory standard
> installation introduced on the 680W "Turbo II"
> Commander, but the first Commander to utilise that engine
> with bleed air for the pressurization and environmental
> systems was the Model 681 "Hawk".
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith S. Gordon
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander on E-bay
>
>
> Anyone know WHAT this is? Is it a conversion or factory
> turbines... (pre Century) What does that mean? The small
> engines?
>
>
> The AC680T was the first production model Turbo
> Commander. All of the 680 Turbine series had the Garrett
> dash 43 engines, ranging from 43, 43A and 43BL.
>
> The Century series were any dash number at or above 100,
> such as TPE 331-151K.
>
> Saying this is a 680T with a -43A conversion means they
> put the later engine on the earlier airframe.
>
> The -43 series did not offer much more power than the
> piston engine on the AC680FL and were very temperature
> critical, meaning as soon as it was over 15C, you were
> losing power. Each upgrade dash number was slight
> improvement.
>
> An "interesting" aspect of this airplane is the
> "engines 200 SMOH by Garrett/1538 SMOH by
> AiResearch." I don't think Garrett/AiResearch has
> supported this engine in a long long time. Last facility I
> knew that supported this engine was Bob Hancock of Hancock
> Turbines outside of Nashville, TN., but then the airplane
> has not flown much at all, so the engine SMOH statement is
> probably right.
>
> The AC680T used a hydraulic (Skydrol) powered cabin
> supercharger. The AC680V and up used bleed air. The
> AC680W was the first all Weather model (certified known
> ice) and a Century Conversion that would place a flat-rated
> 525shp all the way to altitude is a scr eamer.
>
> The Achilles Heel of this model is actually the New York
> Airbrake 3000 psi hydraulic pump used to drive the cabin
> supercharger. The utility system is stepped down to the
> normal Commander hydraulic system pressures. This pump is
> damn near impossible to find. The two 680Ts I was involved
> with burned up these pumps within a few hours -- turned out
> they were lower output pumps field modified to make 3000
> psi, or so thought the fellow supplying us with them. Not
> so.
>
> If you remove the pressurization system, a lower output
> pump could be used. If used as an upressurized camera
> ship, this could be OK ... if being equipped with an
> orphaned engine is OK. To be fair, if you're not too
> far from Hancock's place, you'd have excellent
> support.
>
> This all off the top of my head ... or the more aptly,
> the bottom where all the facts are mixed in with all kinds
> of sediment. I trust Sir Barry to come up with the proper
> dash numbers, engine powers, etc.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions &
> More!
Be a better friend, newshound, and
know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dan Brady" <westwind(at)hdiss.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Prop governor cable |
Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound right but the
old memory cells are starting to wear out.
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
it was the "song bird" gmc
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: westwind(at)hdiss.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:41:20 -0700
Hey old Bob!......Once again our past lives seem to share a common
thread. I also got my multi in a Bobcat based at MDW when it was listed
as the world's busiest airport. I think Cessna dubbed it the Bobcat to
give it a more macho sounding name for the military model which was the
T-50 I think. You left out the often used nickname for the civilian
model: Useless 78 (UC-78). If anyone remembers the old TV series Sky
King the original Skybird was a Bobcat. I enjoyed my time in ours & with
a light load & resonable altitude I was amazed at how much time you had
with one back at idle to pick out the site of your impact. Later, in the
midst of a hot & humid midwest summer, I found myself giving multi
instruction in an early Piper Apache for a school who's policy was to
put 3 students & an instructor in the aircraft on the theory that the
back seaters would absorb some of the training procedures before taking
their turns in the left front seat. One time when we landed to play
musical chairs, one of my back seaters jumped to the ground & vowed that
however long he lived he would never again allow his feet to be
separated from mother earth........for a minute or two I seriously
considered joining him. Fortunately our friendly FAA inspector convinced
the boss that this training procedure was not in the best interests of
aviation safety. Also I believe we were consuming more barfbags per hour
than fuel. I do believe that the old Bobcat with its "Shaky-Jakes" could
have pulled it off much better than the Apache with its "Little Lycs".
Keep 'em flyin' Old Bob....Dan the desert duck.
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Good Morning bobf,
I think I can qualify as a grey beard!
There are times when I would fly without the ability to feather
the propellor on a twin engine aircraft.
It all has to do with evaluation of the risk
Fact is, I received my multiengine rating in an airplane that was
not equipped with feathering propellors and that would not maintain
altitude with one engine shut down. That was a Cessna Bobcat more
commonly referred as a Bamboo Bomber. I also flew many Twin Beech Model
C18s that did not have feathering propellors installed. It was before my
time, but the first Douglas DC-3s were flown without full feathering
propellors.
So, the risk is just another one of those which we all have to
evaluate each time we fly. Lots of folks will never get in a single
engine airplane unless they have a parachute equipped ejection seat to
sit on!
However, in the case in question, I doubt if I would have flown
the airplane without getting a ferry permit and flying only in
compliance with the restrictions imposed by that permit.
In my book, the greatest danger would be in getting caught doing
something illegal.
The risk involved in flying without a feathering propellor can be
mitigated by good flight planning, but the risk of certificate action is
difficult to avoid.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/14/2008 2:39:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bobf(at)feldtman.com writes:
I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You
can use an automotive cable that will work until you get a commander
replacement. Are you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the
cable? (I just had both our prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what
the grey hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
4/14/2008 9:26 AM
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Checked by AVG.
4/15/2008 6:10 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Prop governor cable |
join the club.
From: westwind(at)hdiss.netTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Comman
der-List: Prop governor cableDate: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:13:25 -0700
Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound right but the ol
d memory cells are starting to wear out.
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
it was the "song bird" gmc
From: westwind(at)hdiss.netTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Comman
der-List: Prop governor cableDate: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:41:20 -0700
Hey old Bob!......Once again our past lives seem to share a common thread.
I also got my multi in a Bobcat based at MDW when it was listed as the worl
d's busiest airport. I think Cessna dubbed it the Bobcat to give it a more
macho sounding name for the military model which was the T-50 I think. You
left out the often used nickname for the civilian model: Useless 78 (UC-78
). If anyone remembers the old TV series Sky King the original Skybird was
a Bobcat. I enjoyed my time in ours & with a light load & resonable altitud
e I was amazed at how much time you had with one back at idle to pick out t
he site of your impact. Later, in the midst of a hot & humid midwest summer
, I found myself giving multi instruction in an early Piper Apache for a sc
hool who's policy was to put 3 students & an instructor in the aircraft on
the theory that the back seaters would absorb some of the training procedur
es before taking their turns in the left front seat. One time when we lande
d to play musical chairs, one of my back seaters jumped to the ground & vow
ed that however long he lived he would never again allow his feet to be sep
arated from mother earth........for a minute or two I seriously considered
joining him. Fortunately our friendly FAA inspector convinced the boss that
this training procedure was not in the best interests of aviation safety.
Also I believe we were consuming more barfbags per hour than fuel. I do bel
ieve that the old Bobcat with its "Shaky-Jakes" could have pulled it off m
uch better than the Apache with its "Little Lycs". Keep 'em flyin' Old Bob.
...Dan the desert duck.
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Good Morning bobf,
I think I can qualify as a grey beard!
There are times when I would fly without the ability to feather the propell
or on a twin engine aircraft.
It all has to do with evaluation of the risk
Fact is, I received my multiengine rating in an airplane that was not equip
ped with feathering propellors and that would not maintain altitude with on
e engine shut down. That was a Cessna Bobcat more commonly referred as a Ba
mboo Bomber. I also flew many Twin Beech Model C18s that did not have feath
ering propellors installed. It was before my time, but the first Douglas DC
-3s were flown without full feathering propellors.
So, the risk is just another one of those which we all have to evaluate eac
h time we fly. Lots of folks will never get in a single engine airplane un
less they have a parachute equipped ejection seat to sit on!
However, in the case in question, I doubt if I would have flown the airplan
e without getting a ferry permit and flying only in compliance with the res
trictions imposed by that permit.
In my book, the greatest danger would be in getting caught doing something
illegal.
The risk involved in flying without a feathering propellor can be mitigated
by good flight planning, but the risk of certificate action is difficult t
o avoid.
Happy Skies,Old BobAKABob SiegfriedAncient Aviator628 West 86th StreetDowne
rs Grove, IL 60516630 985-8502 Stearman N3977ABrookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/14/2008 2:39:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bobf@feldt
man.com writes:
I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an au
tomotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are yo
u sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both o
ur prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey h
airs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
4/14/2008 9:26 AM
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
4/15/2008 6:10 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Prop governor cable |
You can still watch the series here
http://www.americanflyers.net/entertainment/skyking.asp
I don't know how long these guys will host them, but watch while you can.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brady
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound right but the old
memory cells are starting to wear out.
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <mailto:kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
it was the "song bird" gmc
_____
From: westwind(at)hdiss.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:41:20 -0700
Hey old Bob!......Once again our past lives seem to share a common thread. I
also got my multi in a Bobcat based at MDW when it was listed as the world's
busiest airport. I think Cessna dubbed it the Bobcat to give it a more macho
sounding name for the military model which was the T-50 I think. You left
out the often used nickname for the civilian model: Useless 78 (UC-78). If
anyone remembers the old TV series Sky King the original Skybird was a
Bobcat. I enjoyed my time in ours & with a light load & resonable altitude I
was amazed at how much time you had with one back at idle to pick out the
site of your impact. Later, in the midst of a hot & humid midwest summer, I
found myself giving multi instruction in an early Piper Apache for a school
who's policy was to put 3 students & an instructor in the aircraft on the
theory that the back seaters would absorb some of the training procedures
before taking their turns in the left front seat. One time when we landed to
play musical chairs, one of my back seaters jumped to the ground & vowed
that however long he lived he would never again allow his feet to be
separated from mother earth........for a minute or two I seriously
considered joining him. Fortunately our friendly FAA inspector convinced the
boss that this training procedure was not in the best interests of aviation
safety. Also I believe we were consuming more barfbags per hour than fuel. I
do believe that the old Bobcat with its "Shaky-Jakes" could have pulled it
off much better than the Apache with its "Little Lycs". Keep 'em flyin' Old
Bob....Dan the desert duck.
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Good Morning bobf,
I think I can qualify as a grey beard!
There are times when I would fly without the ability to feather the
propellor on a twin engine aircraft.
It all has to do with evaluation of the risk
Fact is, I received my multiengine rating in an airplane that was not
equipped with feathering propellors and that would not maintain altitude
with one engine shut down. That was a Cessna Bobcat more commonly referred
as a Bamboo Bomber. I also flew many Twin Beech Model C18s that did not have
feathering propellors installed. It was before my time, but the first
Douglas DC-3s were flown without full feathering propellors.
So, the risk is just another one of those which we all have to evaluate each
time we fly. Lots of folks will never get in a single engine airplane
unless they have a parachute equipped ejection seat to sit on!
However, in the case in question, I doubt if I would have flown the airplane
without getting a ferry permit and flying only in compliance with the
restrictions imposed by that permit.
In my book, the greatest danger would be in getting caught doing something
illegal.
The risk involved in flying without a feathering propellor can be mitigated
by good flight planning, but the risk of certificate action is difficult to
avoid.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/14/2008 2:39:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
bobf(at)feldtman.com writes:
I wouldn't have done that.... fly with no way to feather. You can use an
automotive cable that will work until you get a commander replacement. Are
you sure it wasn't the prop governor instead of the cable? (I just had both
our prop governors rebuilt in the last year).
Again - I wouldn't fly with no way to feather.....Let's see what the grey
hairs say (oh wait - I have grey hair)
bobf
_____
It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money
<http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850> & Finance.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_____
4/14/2008 9:26 AM
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_____
4/15/2008 6:10 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Keith S. Gordon wrote:
> *Chris!
> There's still a few of us left and lots of new talent has risen to
> fill the gaps left by those who have moved on to other, lesser,
> aviation products. ;-)*
Keith! Great to see you're still around. You realize that by now, you
pretty much qualify as a "greybeard" in the aviation world :-) Glad to
hear there is some new blood too. Seems to be a dwindling supply of
people foolish and dedicated enough to be the custodians of classic
aircraft. Guess I have to admit to qualifying under the "lesser
products" crowd. My current steed is an early short-nose Piper
Aztec. May be a little short on charisma compared to a Commander, but
I've enjoyed flying it a lot more than I expected I would and it's been
a pleasure to own and maintain. Nothing ever breaks on the darn thing.
Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't
help it. You can see a few before and after pix at:
http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/
cheers,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
nico css wrote:
> Well, well. It's good to hear from you again, Chris. 100 hour weeks?
> That's rough, man.
Howdy Nico! Good to see that you're still around too. Are you still
maintaining the web site? I'll have to go look at it. Havn't taken a
look in years....
Yeah, long hours seem to come with small business ownership. Strangely,
I've become a water treatment plant guru over the last decade and now
find myself fixing broken plants all over the midwest. It's turned into
a pretty lucrative business, but things only break in the middle of the
night and they're always critical. (people sure get grumpy when they
have no water!) I'd sure like to cut back on the hours, but I can't
seem to find really great people to hire.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Aero Commander 680,690, 500s SRM |
rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au wrote:
> Are you planning to get along to the Flyin at Wiley Post in September?
>
> Chris...has got to be close to your backyard??
Hey Russell! Starting to think there are more old-timers here than I
expected. Good to hear that the Oz contingent is still around. What's
your Commander situation these days? I seem to recall that you were
rebuilding one???
Didn't know the flyin was going to be in OKC this year. Maybe I'll buzz
down just to say howdy. Promise I'll park Pugly Piper out of site :-)
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister" <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
| Subject: | Prop governor cable |
Sky King - The 1950's Televsion Series
"From out of the clear blue of the western sky comes Sky King!" Yes,
AF.TV
has this 1950's television show available for your viewing enjoyment.
Click the links below and enjoy!
http://www.americanflyers.net/entertainment/skyking.asp
___________________________
Deneal Schilmeister, ATP LearJet
St. Louis - Cincinnati
1997 SL500
http://deneals.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Brady
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop governor cable
Mason, Songbird! you nailed it.I knew Skybird didn't sound right but the
old
memory cells are starting to wear out.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't
help it. You can see a few before and after pix at:?
Chris,
First off, I am not old.? I've just been 18 several times.? Next, after looking
at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings, I think you would be
well served by an intervention.
All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander.? That would have
been sane.? However ...
(Nice work, by the way!)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after
growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown
to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than
they should be. They don't need any kind of apology.
Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes.
And they look dorky with pointy noses.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S. Gordon
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process.....
couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at:
Chris,
First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next,
after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings,
I think you would be well served by an intervention.
All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ; That
would have been sane. However ...
(Nice work, by the way!)
Wing Commander Gordon
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scottmain2003(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Hi folks. speaking of vintage paint jobs on old planes, I am planning a
return to the original paint scheme as delivered on my 1955 L26A, serial number
55-4638. I have some nice info on the positioning of paint and graphics but
need the code or mix of the blue. I am under the impression it was a factory
scheme and color. Cobalt Blue was the name. I guess Ike liked the plane as Aero
Design delivered it and said leave it as it is. Hence the first Presidential
plane with the enduring Blue and White scheme we still see today. If anyone
has that info I would appreciate the help. Interior colors too.
Scott Main
_scottmain2003(at)aol.com_ (mailto:scottmain2003(at)aol.com)
In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:59:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing up
around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like 'em.
They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they should be. They
don't need any kind of apology.
Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes. And
they look dorky with pointy noses.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: _Keith S. Gordon_ (mailto:cloudcraft(at)aol.com)
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process..... couldn't help
it. You can see a few before and after pix at:
Chris,
First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next, after
looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings, I think you
would be well served by an intervention.
All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ; That would
have been sane. However ...
(Nice work, by the way!)
Wing Commander Gordon
____________________________________
Get the _MapQuest Toolbar_
(http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003) , Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Hey Chris!
Hope all's well with you... I can't believe it's been so many years since
you were here on Hooks visiting our facility. I still have your little book,
and show it to people if they have a Commander interest. Our Aztec is still
pounding away at it... We Just flew it 2 days ago. She still has the stubby
nose too! hehehe... Have a good one!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Hi Scott,
I'm not sure if this helps, but the factory names for the original paint
on your 560A (L-26B) were Polar White & Baltic Blue.
As to the paint manufacturer's code or colour, I would suggest
contacting either the Wright-Patterson Museum in Dayton, Ohio or Mr Bill
Duff, at J W Duff Aircraft Co., in Denver, Colorado.
The museum has one of the two Models 680 that Ike used and Mr Duff
restored it for them.
It was in his yard for parting out when someone pointed out the
significance of the aircraft.
I seem to recall that there was a very thin Gold trim between the Blue &
White and the tin of paint cost something like $400, with only a very
small amount actually being needed!
I cannot remember if I've sent you the history of your Commander.
If not, let me know and I'll email it to you.
One question:
It was built as a Model 560A, with Lycoming GO-480-D1A engines (275hp)
and Hartzell HC-83X20-2C/8433 propellers.
However, I have reason to believe that at some stage, probably after it
was transferred from the USAF to the US Army, it was converted to a
560A(HC), with Lycoming GO-480-G1B6 engines (295hp) and Hartzell
HC-83X20-2 propellers.
>From any paperwork you have, are you able to confirm this and if so, the
date the up-grade was signed-off as being completed?
If so, is the full designation of the propeller hub Hartzell
HC-83X20-2C?
Also, which propeller blades were then installed? Were they 8833-2?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Scottmain2003(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hi folks. speaking of vintage paint jobs on old planes, I am planning
a return to the original paint scheme as delivered on my 1955 L26A,
serial number 55-4638. I have some nice info on the positioning of paint
and graphics but need the code or mix of the blue. I am under the
impression it was a factory scheme and color. Cobalt Blue was the name.
I guess Ike liked the plane as Aero Design delivered it and said leave
it as it is. Hence the first Presidential plane with the enduring Blue
and White scheme we still see today. If anyone has that info I would
appreciate the help. Interior colors too.
Scott Main
scottmain2003(at)aol.com
In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:59:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after
growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown
to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than
they should be. They don't need any kind of apology.
Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage
schemes. And they look dorky with pointy noses.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S. Gordon
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process.....
couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at:
Chris,
First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times. Next,
after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with wings,
I think you would be well served by an intervention.
All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ;
That would have been sane. However ...
(Nice work, by the way!)
Wing Commander Gordon
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ron.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings
at AOL Autos.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
Chris,
I didn't have as much time to work on the website as I wanted, but, yes, I
still have the keys of the kingdom, so to speak. I started revamping the
site to include a members area where members in good standing could upload
stuff for publication, such as parts for sale or to buy, information and so
on. I still have good intentions and a vision for the site and will battle
forward to make this happen.
You know all about it; getting good people to hire is a dirty-job on its
own.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
nico css wrote:
> Well, well. It's good to hear from you again, Chris. 100 hour weeks?
> That's rough, man.
Howdy Nico! Good to see that you're still around too. Are you still
maintaining the web site? I'll have to go look at it. Havn't taken a look
in years....
Yeah, long hours seem to come with small business ownership. Strangely,
I've become a water treatment plant guru over the last decade and now find
myself fixing broken plants all over the midwest. It's turned into a pretty
lucrative business, but things only break in the middle of the night and
they're always critical. (people sure get grumpy when they have no water!)
I'd sure like to cut back on the hours, but I can't seem to find really
great people to hire.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Steve at Col-East wrote:
> I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after
> growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown
> to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster
> than they should be. They don't need any kind of apology.
>
> Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes.
> And they look dorky with pointy noses.
>
> Steve
It's really amazing isn't it?!? First time I saw an Aztec, I just
assumed it would fly like a lumber wagon just by the way it looks but
they really are very pleasant. Much like Commanders, the early
short-nosed versions fly a lot nicer too. Lighter in pitch and a lot
less "wobble" in bumpy air. When I had my engines built, we upgraded to
high compression cylinders. I think that gives the same configuration
(bore, stroke, compression) as the 290hp Lycs but without fuel
injection. Sure does like to climb with those fat wings and extra
power. I can count on 190-195 mph cruise under most conditions - like
you said: faster than such a stubby airplane should be.
cheers,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Keith S. Gordon wrote:
> *
> All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander.
> *
To be perfectly honest Keith, when I bought this airplane, I'd just
finished several years of penniless misery paying off the huge loss
incurred after having been raped by an unscrupulous Commander dealer and
the last thing I ever wanted to see was another one. This airplane was
going to be a temporary steed bought on a budget, but I've grown to
appreciate it a lot. It's probably the last big restoration project
I'll ever do - just don't have another one in me. Besides, my wonderful
wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if
I wanted :-)
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
haha, I remember my first ride in a 'truck looking at the airspeed indicator
thinking it was busted. 190 what? This thing?
You got a real pretty airplane there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
>
> Steve at Col-East wrote:
>> I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after growing
>> up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown to like
>> 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than they
>> should be. They don't need any kind of apology.
>> Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage schemes.
>> And they look dorky with pointy noses.
>> Steve
>
> It's really amazing isn't it?!? First time I saw an Aztec, I just assumed
> it would fly like a lumber wagon just by the way it looks but they really
> are very pleasant. Much like Commanders, the early short-nosed versions
> fly a lot nicer too. Lighter in pitch and a lot less "wobble" in bumpy
> air. When I had my engines built, we upgraded to high compression
> cylinders. I think that gives the same configuration (bore, stroke,
> compression) as the 290hp Lycs but without fuel injection. Sure does like
> to climb with those fat wings and extra power. I can count on 190-195 mph
> cruise under most conditions - like you said: faster than such a stubby
> airplane should be.
>
> cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Besides, my wonderful
wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if
I wanted :-)?
Then you're doomed.? But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane.?
I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Kennedy <craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently
purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with
lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new
"baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal,
fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed
for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this
bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves
"Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your
airplane. I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
---------------------------------
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
ck, please tell me you did not buy it from a "aircraft broker" in TN? gmc
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:26 -0700From: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.netSubject:
Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...To: commander-list(at)matronics.comH
ello,My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel
cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to
bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home,
2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures ar
e of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife w
ill not be adopting this bird any time soon!Craig"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed
to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated you
r airplane. I've heard of that condition before.Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
I have a pair of engines for a 560F ( Last Factory Remains)
600 HRS
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Kennedy
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new
fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went
to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half
way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all
the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes
me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't
be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife
hated your airplane. I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Kennedy <craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
Nope. Corporation selling their 2 planes.
MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px
} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } ck, please tell
me you did not buy it from a "aircraft broker" in TN? gmc
---------------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:26 -0700
From: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently
purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with
lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new
"baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal,
fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed
for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this
bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote: Besides, my wonderful wife loves
"Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-) Then
you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane.
I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
---------------------------------
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
c, i am in fort worth, tx. if I can be of any help to you or your plane le
t me know. mason 680Fp.
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:50:15 -0700From: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.netSubject:
RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...To: commander-list(at)matronics.comN
ope. Corporation selling their 2 planes.MASON CHEVAILLIER
wrote:
ck, please tell me you did not buy it from a "aircraft broker" in TN? gmc
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:09:26 -0700From: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.netSubject:
Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...To: commander-list(at)matronics.comH
ello,My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel
cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to
bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home,
2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures ar
e of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife w
ill not be adopting this bird any time soon!Craig"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed
to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated you
r airplane. I've heard of that condition before.Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: OK, Who IS this? |
| From: | "dickpol" <dickpol(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi,
I'm Dick Polits (dickpol on youtube and yahoo). My brother, Russ, and I attended
the Aero Commander gathering in Hillsboro as non-members. It was a blast to
hang out with you commander die-hards.
Our Dad owned a 680E N3820C in the late 60's and swapped it for a 680FP N233W around
the mid 70's, both purchased from Swede Ralston. Dad donated N233W to Mercy
Flights in Medford (lost his medical) just before it's demise. I lost track
of N3820C but think it found it's way to Buddy Windham. Needless to say, my
brother and I bonded with the commanders and have been following them for years.
Dad's two commader pics on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/gp/96607407@N00/90Gae6
The video began life as a 300+ slideshow of commanders mostly. Since my brother
isn't computer savy I converted it to a 35 minute video burning it to DVD for
a birthday present. Uploading the video to youtube chopped it off at 9 minutes
and 59 seconds. Not a real problem as the first 10 minutes have the best
pictures and it does get boring watching them all.
The pictures were gathered from the sources mentioned. Also, I have a program
that sucks the pictures from the rec.pictures.aviation newsgroup that I skim off
a few pics a month. Educate me if I've violated some rules in my picture acquisition
adventure.
The only flying I do is with MS Flight Sim (has commanders!) and a RC plane (non-commander).
I'm not usually chatty and like to hear what's going on in the
commander world (lurk) and love the pictures. They take me back to happy memories
of family, friends, and fun revolving around "The Commander".
Boy, I've had a great time in commanderland!
Dick Polits
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177756#177756
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: OK, Who IS this? |
| From: | "=?utf-8?B?Sm9obiBWb3JtYmF1bQ==?=" <John(at)vormbaum.com> |
See, I knew it!
Dick,
I was at the gathering in hillsboro and I remember meeting you and hearing about
your family attachment to Commanders. Nice to see you still lurk in Commanderland!
Cheers,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: "dickpol" <dickpol(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:21:01
To:commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Re: OK, Who IS this?
Hi,
I'm Dick Polits (dickpol on youtube and yahoo). My brother, Russ, and I attended
the Aero Commander gathering in Hillsboro as non-members. It was a blast to
hang out with you commander die-hards.
Our Dad owned a 680E N3820C in the late 60's and swapped it for a 680FP N233W around
the mid 70's, both purchased from Swede Ralston. Dad donated N233W to Mercy
Flights in Medford (lost his medical) just before it's demise. I lost track
of N3820C but think it found it's way to Buddy Windham. Needless to say, my
brother and I bonded with the commanders and have been following them for years.
Dad's two commader pics on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/gp/96607407@N00/90Gae6
The video began life as a 300+ slideshow of commanders mostly. Since my brother
isn't computer savy I converted it to a 35 minute video burning it to DVD for
a birthday present. Uploading the video to youtube chopped it off at 9 minutes
and 59 seconds. Not a real problem as the first 10 minutes have the best
pictures and it does get boring watching them all.
The pictures were gathered from the sources mentioned. Also, I have a program
that sucks the pictures from the rec.pictures.aviation newsgroup that I skim off
a few pics a month. Educate me if I've violated some rules in my picture acquisition
adventure.
The only flying I do is with MS Flight Sim (has commanders!) and a RC plane (non-commander).
I'm not usually chatty and like to hear what's going on in the
commander world (lurk) and love the pictures. They take me back to happy memories
of family, friends, and fun revolving around "The Commander".
Boy, I've had a great time in commanderland!
Dick Polits
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177756#177756
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F.
Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of
oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one
engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal.
Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what
caused both your engines to make metal.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel
cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to
bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2
engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are
of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will
not be adopting this bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed
to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your
airplane. I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
_____
Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if
anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with
the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_________________________________________________________________
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr
esh_instantaccess_042008
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
| From: | craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net |
7 years of sitting, with I suspect a number of broken rings given the corrosion
inside the cracks.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:17:44
To:
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Two engines making metalwow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F. Both engines
were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of oil out the
breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one engine throwing
a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal. Had to overhaul
both engines. I would be very interested to know what caused both your engines
to make metal.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
----------------
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kennedy
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I recently
purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel cells, with lots
of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to bring the new "baby"
home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2 engines making metal,
fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are of parts being removed
for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will not be adopting this bird
any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed to
sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your airplane.
I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
----------------
Get the MapQuest
Toolbar <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003> , Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
Randy-
You up and flying again yet?
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F.
Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of
oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one
engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal.
Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what
caused both your engines to make metal.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel
cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to
bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2
engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are
of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will
not be adopting this bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed
to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your
airplane. I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
_____
Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
__________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
Had to get new propellers (as well as new engines) so, not flying yet. JPI
engine analyzer being installed now, along with many other replaced items
(vacuum pumps, generator, hoses, etc). Hopefully, we'll be flying in
another 3 weeks.
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Randy-
You up and flying again yet?
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F.
Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts of
oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual), with one
engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge amounts of metal.
Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very interested to know what
caused both your engines to make metal.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new fuel
cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went to TN to
bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half way home, 2
engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all the pictures are
of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes me think the wife will
not be adopting this bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be allowed
to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated your
airplane. I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
_____
Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
__________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Rolan;
I would like several in both white and navy blue. I would like them
in both white and navy blue, any chance we can get the 'bird do-do' on
the bill like the Captain or Field grade hats have. Just let me know
what I own you.
As I recall the white were in cotton and maybe the navy blue were in
wool, not sure, anyway they were heavier.
Depending on price, maybe six of each.
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my
airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to
order if anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball
cap with the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source
for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball
type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander
written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years
later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane
on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the
bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service
centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats
that have a head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Checked by AVG.
4/18/2008 9:30 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Don,
I'll get her to check it out first of the week and get back with you.
Thanks,
Roland
From: dongirod(at)bellsouth.netTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Co
mmander-List: HatsDate: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:30:22 -0400
Rolan;
I would like several in both white and navy blue. I would like them in bot
h white and navy blue, any chance we can get the 'bird do-do' on the bill l
ike the Captain or Field grade hats have. Just let me know what I own you.
As I recall the white were in cotton and maybe the navy blue were in wool,
not sure, anyway they were heavier.
Depending on price, maybe six of each.
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Co
mmander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price
range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head o
n view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6
291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
4/18/2008 9:30 AM
_________________________________________________________________
Pack up or back up'use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. L
earn how.
http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refre
sh_skydrive_packup_042008
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my
airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to
order if anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap
with the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for
them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball
type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander
written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years
later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane
on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the
bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service
centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that
have a head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Commander @ sunny Mexico |
Hello,
My name is Octavio Viveros, I recently joined the list a few days ago. I am
amazed with the amount of knowledge you guys have. My sincere respect for
the "grey hairs". I fly an Airbus319 on the left seat for living and to get
money to maintain a 500U. Recently we have been investing a lot of time on
the commander for its annual inspection. I have been in contact with this
aircraft for the last eight years but I have owned it only since 2006.
I am trying to make up my mind between keeping the aircraft or selling it.
I just bought a new apartment because I am planning to get married soon (ga
in a wife loose an aircraft, what a bad bad business!) but that's another s
tory.
I am glad to be part of the list as the only contributor located south of t
he border. I will post a picture of my commander as soon as I find the way
to do it.
Greetings.
Octavio Viveros
XA-KSK
AC500U sn 1668-17
_________________________________________________________________
Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert
http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Randy (and others),
When replacing the hoses be sure to replace the most important one on
the plane. This would be the hose that goes to the Hyd. Pressure
gageinside the plane. When I first purchased N680RR my former mechanic
was to change all of the hoses on the plane, however, he did not replace
that hose. Sometime, later it broke which ruined my favorite cowboy
boots, my girlfriend's purse, the carpet, and a large part of the
interior including the leather on some seats. Surprising how much
damage five gallons of Skydrol can do to the inside of a plane.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Had to get new propellers (as well as new engines) so, not flying yet.
JPI engine analyzer being installed now, along with many other replaced
items (vacuum pumps, generator, hoses, etc). Hopefully, we'll be flying
in another 3 weeks.
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Randy-
You up and flying again yet?
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Two engines making metal.wow. Reminds me of the experience on my 680F.
Both engines were pressurizing the crankcase and blowing massive amounts
of oil out the breather (at the same time, 5.5 hours out of annual),
with one engine throwing a rod in flight, and the other making huge
amounts of metal. Had to overhaul both engines. I would be very
interested to know what caused both your engines to make metal.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hello,
My name is Craig Kennedy. New here. This thread got me laughing as I
recently purchased a 65 560F. Months of supposed maintenance and new
fuel cells, with lots of pictures to show the wife on progress, I went
to TN to bring the new "baby" home. The baby is now sitting in TX, half
way home, 2 engines making metal, fuel dripping, and seeping, and all
the pictures are of parts being removed for overhaul. Something makes
me think the wife will not be adopting this bird any time soon!
Craig
"Keith S. Gordon" wrote:
Besides, my wonderful wife loves "Pugly", so I probably wouldn't be
allowed to sell it even if I wanted :-)
Then you're doomed. But that's a better doomed than if your wife hated
your airplane. I've heard of that condition before.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
__________ NOD32 3039 (20080418) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander @ sunny Mexico |
Hi Octavio. Welcome aboard. Don't be too amazed. Some of us know very
little!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander @ sunny Mexico
Hello,
My name is Octavio Viveros, I recently joined the list a few days ago.
I am amazed with the amount of knowledge you guys have. My sincere
respect for the "grey hairs". I fly an Airbus319 on the left seat for
living and to get money to maintain a 500U. Recently we have been
investing a lot of time on the commander for its annual inspection. I
have been in contact with this aircraft for the last eight years but I
have owned it only since 2006.
I am trying to make up my mind between keeping the aircraft or selling
it. I just bought a new apartment because I am planning to get married
soon (gain a wife loose an aircraft, what a bad bad business!) but
that's another story.
I am glad to be part of the list as the only contributor located south
of the border. I will post a picture of my commander as soon as I find
the way to do it.
Greetings.
Octavio Viveros
XA-KSK
AC500U sn 1668-17
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Adivina qu=E9 servicios NUNCA se cobrar=E1n =A1Obviamente! Hotmail,
Messenger y todos los servicios de Windows Live
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks, Roland
Maybe when you get them you can post a picture and other maybe
interested.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:39 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Don,
I'll get her to check it out first of the week and get back with
you.
Thanks,
Roland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:30:22 -0400
Rolan;
I would like several in both white and navy blue. I would like
them in both white and navy blue, any chance we can get the 'bird do-do'
on the bill like the Captain or Field grade hats have. Just let me know
what I own you.
As I recall the white were in cotton and maybe the navy blue
were in wool, not sure, anyway they were heavier.
Depending on price, maybe six of each.
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at
my airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made
to order if anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered
baseball cap with the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the
source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some
baseball type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words
AeroCommander written above it I think, they had them in white and blue,
several years later I order some more and they no longer had the picture
of the plane on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird
do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or
whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander
service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander
hats that have a head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
----------------------------------------------------------------------
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows
Live Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
----------------------------------------------------------------------
4/18/2008 9:30 AM
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Pack up or back up'use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra
copies. Learn how.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Checked by AVG.
4/19/2008 11:31 AM
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander @ sunny Mexico |
Hello Octavio,
Welcome on board!
I am an aviation historian, specialising in the history of each of the
Commanders ever built.
My database currently comprises over 92,500 records.
The last I knew of 500U-1668-17 was as XA-TMW, registered to Taxi Aereo
De Morelia SAdeCV., in Morelia, Michoacan.
To help keep me up-to-date, would you please be kind enough to let me
know who your Commander is now registered to, and the date of
registration.
Your help will, of course, be very much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
UK CommanderLand Rep.
High Wycombe, England
"Live life on the edge - if you don't take up too much space"
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander @ sunny Mexico
Hello,
My name is Octavio Viveros, I recently joined the list a few days ago.
I am amazed with the amount of knowledge you guys have. My sincere
respect for the "grey hairs". I fly an Airbus319 on the left seat for
living and to get money to maintain a 500U. Recently we have been
investing a lot of time on the commander for its annual inspection. I
have been in contact with this aircraft for the last eight years but I
have owned it only since 2006.
I am trying to make up my mind between keeping the aircraft or selling
it. I just bought a new apartment because I am planning to get married
soon (gain a wife loose an aircraft, what a bad bad business!) but
that's another story.
I am glad to be part of the list as the only contributor located south
of the border. I will post a picture of my commander as soon as I find
the way to do it.
Greetings.
Octavio Viveros
XA-KSK
AC500U sn 1668-17
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Adivina qu=E9 servicios NUNCA se cobrar=E1n =A1Obviamente! Hotmail,
Messenger y todos los servicios de Windows Live
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Commanders-
I thought I'd run this one by the group to see if anyone has any answers- or
knows where to look for answers.
Our 685 was in California for a wing spar inspection- and upon return we
have found that the flaps will not travel beyond half while in flight. On
the ground, full range of travel is available, but no matter how slowly I
fly- they will not move beyond half travel in flight.
The hydraulic system is producing about 1100PSI and both EDPs are able to
maintain that pressure independently- so I don't think it is a system load
issue. (Gear operates fine- etc. )
This airplane does not like to slow down without the extra drag when coming
down the chute- so I'm hoping someone has some hints or pointers. My shop
hasn't found anything obvious.
Anyone have any ideas?
Robert S. Randazzo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Robert,
I'd have two guys, one at each flap, pushing up and backwards against the
flap, simulating aerodynamic pressure, and then lower the flaps. If the
track is worn, out of alignment (if that's possible), or loose that it
prevents the flap from traveling all the way down, it might show up during
this exercise. It's a wild guess but that's what would worry me most.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:34 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Flaps Half...
Commanders-
I thought I'd run this one by the group to see if anyone has any answers- or
knows where to look for answers.
Our 685 was in California for a wing spar inspection- and upon return we
have found that the flaps will not travel beyond half while in flight. On
the ground, full range of travel is available, but no matter how slowly I
fly- they will not move beyond half travel in flight.
The hydraulic system is producing about 1100PSI and both EDPs are able to
maintain that pressure independently- so I don't think it is a system load
issue. (Gear operates fine- etc. )
This airplane does not like to slow down without the extra drag when coming
down the chute- so I'm hoping someone has some hints or pointers. My shop
hasn't found anything obvious.
Anyone have any ideas?
Robert S. Randazzo
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Some data to Barry. |
That is correct Barry, AC500U 1668-17 was registered to Taxi Aereo de Morel
ia where I used to be a shareholder untill few months ago. As a part of the
agreement I took XA-TMW and registered it under my name. The tail number t
hen changed to XB-KSK (switching from XA commercial airplane to XB private
airplane) which was assigned only a few weeks ago. Just FYI I haven't even
painted the new tail number. Right now the airplane is under annual inspect
ion where we are putting the props down to zero time, installing new turboc
hragers and couple of things more including the painting of the new tail nu
mber.
I will gladly provide you with a copy of the document where the airplane wa
s deleted from the Air Taxi fleet as well as the document that states the c
hange of owner just for your records.
I am still in the process of knowing how to use correctly the mail list wit
h out bothering you guys with heavy files, so I will be sending them direct
ly to your personal e-mail Barry.
I have located three other commanders abandoned in differenet mexican aripo
rts where I fly. I will get their serial numbers and send them to you as we
ll.
Thank you very much and nice to meet you.
Greetings.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
AC500U sn 1668-17
_________________________________________________________________
Juega y gana, tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana.
http://club.prodigymsn.com/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BillLeff1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Flaps Half... |
Do they go to full after you land? If so, check the actuator for bypassing
do to a failed O-ring.
Bill Leff
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Some data to Barry. |
Hi Octavio,
Thank you for helping!
I will certainly be most interested in getting up-to-date information on
any other Commanders that you see in your travels.
As you will no doubt appreciate, it is quite difficult to get reliable
information from most countries south of the USA!
I'm sure the rest of the guys on the list will join me in wishing you
every happiness flying your Commander.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: Commander List
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Some data to Barry.
That is correct Barry, AC500U 1668-17 was registered to Taxi Aereo de
Morelia where I used to be a shareholder untill few months ago. As a
part of the agreement I took XA-TMW and registered it under my name. The
tail number then changed to XB-KSK (switching from XA commercial
airplane to XB private airplane) which was assigned only a few weeks
ago. Just FYI I haven't even painted the new tail number. Right now the
airplane is under annual inspection where we are putting the props down
to zero time, installing new turbochragers and couple of things more
including the painting of the new tail number.
I will gladly provide you with a copy of the document where the
airplane was deleted from the Air Taxi fleet as well as the document
that states the change of owner just for your records.
I am still in the process of knowing how to use correctly the mail
list with out bothering you guys with heavy files, so I will be sending
them directly to your personal e-mail Barry.
I have located three other commanders abandoned in differenet mexican
ariports where I fly. I will get their serial numbers and send them to
you as well.
Thank you very much and nice to meet you.
Greetings.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
AC500U sn 1668-17
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Ya tienes tu espacio? Windows Live Spaces
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
I would buy five or six
bobf
500B
On 4/19/08, Tom Fisher wrote:
>
> I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
> Tom
> C-GISS
> 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Nancy Gilliam
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Hats
>
> My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport.
> (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
>
>
> be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if
> anyone is interested.
>
>
> What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap
> with the head on view and Aero
>
>
> Commander over the picture??
>
>
> Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
>
> I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
> Tom
> C-GISS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Don Girod
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Hats
>
> Commanderland
>
> When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
> with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
> it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order
> some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I
> really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's
> hat or military field grade or whatever.
>
> I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
>
> Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a
> head on view of the airplane?
>
> Don
>
> * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c *
>
> * " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
>
> ------------------------------
> More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
> Messenger.<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008>
>
> * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c *
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can
all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them the
re this fall. gmc
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Co
mmander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price
range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head o
n view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6
291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON
THE INTERNET.
Roland
From: kamala(at)MSN.COMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-
List: HatsDate: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can
all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them the
re this fall. gmc
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Co
mmander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price
range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head o
n view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6
291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_________________________________________________________________
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr
esh_getintouch_042008
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Boelte" <n55bz(at)cox.net> |
I would like two. I would wear one while drinking coffee out of my
Commander
mug.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport.
(The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order
if
anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap
with
the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for
them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod <mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written
above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order
some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I
really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a
Captain's
hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have
a
head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_R
efres
h_instantaccess_042008>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
I found one!!
Roland
From: amg3636(at)hotmail.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Comma
nder-List: HatsDate: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:50:24 -0400
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON
THE INTERNET. Roland
From: kamala(at)MSN.COMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-
List: HatsDate: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can
all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them the
re this fall. gmc
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Co
mmander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price
range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head o
n view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6
291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
_________________________________________________________________
Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger.
http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM
_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Roland,
Attached is Twin Commanders logo which includes a head on outline. I am with
new laptop and no editing software so am sending it directly to you. Cut
and paste should work nicely.
Regards,
Steve Gilson
_____
From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON
THE INTERNET.
Roland
_____
From: kamala(at)MSN.COM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can
all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them there
this fall. gmc
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam <mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport.
(The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if
anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with
the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod <mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order
some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I
really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's
hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a
head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_instantaccess_042008>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_getintouch_042008>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | forgotten attachment |
_____
From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON
THE INTERNET.
Roland
_____
From: kamala(at)MSN.COM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can
all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them there
this fall. gmc
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam <mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport.
(The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if
anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with
the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod <mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order
some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I
really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's
hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a
head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_instantaccess_042008>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_getintouch_042008>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: forgotten attachment |
Steve;
I don't think you can put an attachment on thise site. There are
other ways, ask Nico.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: forgotten attachment
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:50 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY
LUCK ON THE INTERNET.
Roland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: kamala(at)MSN.COM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together
we can all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell
them there this fall. gmc
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my
airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to
order if anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball
cap with the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source
for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball
type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander
written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years
later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane
on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the
bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service
centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats
that have a head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Checked by AVG.
4/20/2008 3:01 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
| Subject: | forgotten attachment |
Nico,
Thanks, I guess so, however my suggestion is for Roland to go to the twin
commander llc site. Logo consist of an outline of head on commander. Cut
and paste would work.
Regards,
Steve
_____
From: Don Girod [mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: forgotten attachment
Steve;
I don't think you can put an attachment on thise site. There are other
ways, ask Nico.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <mailto:steveg(at)nternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: forgotten attachment
_____
From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON
THE INTERNET.
Roland
_____
From: kamala(at)MSN.COM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban together we can
all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in and sell them there
this fall. gmc
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam <mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport.
(The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if
anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with
the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod <mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order
some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I
really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's
hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a
head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_instantaccess_042008>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_getintouch_042008>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
4/20/2008 3:01 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Nice to here from you Steve, I could'nt open this, but I also found the log
o on Google.
Thanks ,
Roland
From: steveg(at)nternet.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Comman
der-List: HatsDate: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:19:54 -0500
Roland,
Attached is Twin Commanders logo which includes a head on outline. I am wit
h new laptop and no editing software so am sending it directly to you. Cut
and paste should work nicely.
Regards,
Steve Gilson
From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 20
08 8:50 AMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING ANY LUCK ON
THE INTERNET. Roland
From: kamala(at)MSN.COMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-
List: HatsDate: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500please to sign me up for a c
ouple of hats. guess if we ban together we can all get a good price. poss
ible bring them to the fly in and sell them there this fall. gmc
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Co
mmander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price
range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head o
n view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6
291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.
matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">
http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">h
ttp://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navig
ator?Commander-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/c
ontribution
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">ht
tp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">htt
p://www.matronics.com/c " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat
or?Commander-Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/con
tribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-
Listp://forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.ma
tronics.com/contribution
_________________________________________________________________
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr
esh_instantaccess_042008
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: forgotten attachment |
Don Girod wrote:
>
>
> I don't think you can put an attachment on thise site.
>
Ah.... good to know things are still the same here and that nobody ever
reads the instructions.... :-)
BTW, while digging through vast mountains of airplane stuff, I can
across a 520 air filter. I assume these are still rare as hens teeth.
Anyone need it? I'll give it to the first person who brings me a beer.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I never got a Commander mug even though I voted for them.
Tom.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: William Boelte
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
I would like two. I would wear one while drinking coffee out of my
Commander mug.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gilliam
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:43 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my
airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to
order if anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap
with the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for
them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type
hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander
written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years
later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane
on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the
bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that
have a head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Aero Commander Graphic |
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Large-Aero-Commander-Decal-Sticker-5-h-by-11-5
-w_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ016QQitemZ260232504037QQrdZ1QQsspagena
meZWDVW_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Large-Aero-Commander-Decal-Sticker-5-h-by-11-5-w_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ016QQitemZ260232504037QQrdZ1Q
QsspagenameZWDVW)
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Kennedy <craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I would like 4. Let me know how to pay her for them.
Thanks,
Craig
Nancy Gilliam wrote: .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px
} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } My wife Nancy
has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (The Pilot's Wife
Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if anyone
is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the
head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
---------------------------------
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats with
a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above it I think,
they had them in white and blue, several years later I order some more and
they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I really would have
like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat or military field
grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a head
on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
---------------------------------
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Roland;
I am hopeful of getting a picture of one of my hats. If I am
successful, can you give me your email address and I will send an
attachment directly to you since we can't do it on this website.
Don
dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Nice to here from you Steve, I could'nt open this, but I also found
the logo on Google.
Thanks ,
Roland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: steveg(at)nternet.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:19:54 -0500
Roland,
Attached is Twin Commanders logo which includes a head on outline.
I am with new laptop and no editing software so am sending it directly
to you. Cut and paste should work nicely.
Regards,
Steve Gilson
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: Nancy Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:50 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A HEAD ON PICTURE?, i'm NOT HAVING
ANY LUCK ON THE INTERNET.
Roland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: kamala(at)MSN.COM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:15:33 -0500
please to sign me up for a couple of hats. guess if we ban
together we can all get a good price. possible bring them to the fly in
and sell them there this fall. gmc
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:31:06 -0800
I would be interested in 3 or 4 hats.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Nancy Gilliam
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my
airport. (The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made
to order if anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered
baseball cap with the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source
for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball
type hats with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander
written above it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years
later I order some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane
on the hat. I really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the
bill like a Captain's hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service
centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats
that have a head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
------------------------------------------------------------------------
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution "
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listp://foru
ms.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live
Messenger.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Checked by AVG.
4/20/2008 3:01 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Barry,
I own serial # 173, a 1954 model straight 560. The logs show it flying
out of New York I believe. I found a small patch of fabric stuck to one
of the re-upholstered seats - black and white with turquoise and some
black leather. It's been repainted but I did find some robins egg blue
in spots where the repaint peeled.
I'd appreciate any history you might have on this bird?
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hi Scott,
I'm not sure if this helps, but the factory names for the original
paint on your 560A (L-26B) were Polar White & Baltic Blue.
As to the paint manufacturer's code or colour, I would suggest
contacting either the Wright-Patterson Museum in Dayton, Ohio or Mr Bill
Duff, at J W Duff Aircraft Co., in Denver, Colorado.
The museum has one of the two Models 680 that Ike used and Mr Duff
restored it for them.
It was in his yard for parting out when someone pointed out the
significance of the aircraft.
I seem to recall that there was a very thin Gold trim between the Blue
& White and the tin of paint cost something like $400, with only a very
small amount actually being needed!
I cannot remember if I've sent you the history of your Commander.
If not, let me know and I'll email it to you.
One question:
It was built as a Model 560A, with Lycoming GO-480-D1A engines (275hp)
and Hartzell HC-83X20-2C/8433 propellers.
However, I have reason to believe that at some stage, probably after
it was transferred from the USAF to the US Army, it was converted to a
560A(HC), with Lycoming GO-480-G1B6 engines (295hp) and Hartzell
HC-83X20-2 propellers.
From any paperwork you have, are you able to confirm this and if so,
the date the up-grade was signed-off as being completed?
If so, is the full designation of the propeller hub Hartzell
HC-83X20-2C?
Also, which propeller blades were then installed? Were they 8833-2?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Scottmain2003(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Hi folks. speaking of vintage paint jobs on old planes, I am
planning a return to the original paint scheme as delivered on my 1955
L26A, serial number 55-4638. I have some nice info on the positioning of
paint and graphics but need the code or mix of the blue. I am under the
impression it was a factory scheme and color. Cobalt Blue was the name.
I guess Ike liked the plane as Aero Design delivered it and said leave
it as it is. Hence the first Presidential plane with the enduring Blue
and White scheme we still see today. If anyone has that info I would
appreciate the help. Interior colors too.
Scott Main
scottmain2003(at)aol.com
In a message dated 4/18/2008 9:59:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steve2(at)sover.net writes:
I never thought I'd be leaping to the defense of an Aztruck after
growing up around Commanders and C-310s and C320s, etc, but I've grown
to like 'em. They fly nice, haul a load, are comfy, and way faster than
they should be. They don't need any kind of apology.
Nice paint scheme. Old round airplanes look good with vintage
schemes. And they look dorky with pointy noses.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith S. Gordon
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Of course, it did receive the Schuermannization process.....
couldn't help it. You can see a few before and after pix at:
Chris,
First off, I am not old. I've just been 18 several times.
Next, after looking at the Schuermannization of that sweet potato with
wings, I think you would be well served by an intervention.
All that incredible effort should have gone into a Commander. ;
That would have been sane. However ...
(Nice work, by the way!)
Wing Commander Gordon
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ron.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
I would take a couple of hats. I have a 680. Gil
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
Steve, I have an Aztec and have owned it for 10 years. Really a great
airplane. I also own a 680 as well. Love em both. Gil
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Aero Commander Graphic |
Folks,
I have one of the graphics shown on eBay below, they seem to be very good
quality, and the art work is good.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
AC 500A ZK-DCF
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:55 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Graphic
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Large-Aero-Commander-Decal-Sticker-5-h-by-11-
5-w_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26439QQihZ016QQitemZ260232504037QQrdZ1QQsspag
enameZWDVW
_____
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at
AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851> .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Blast from the past... |
I still have the Apache 150's that I got my multi rating in. It is a
vintage 1957 and it is a blast to fly. It serves as a spare for when
the 500S is in service. My wife especially likes the Apache because the
"tube" is an excellent "OH-SHIT" handle as she is not the most avid
flyer. The tube is a carry over from the preceding tube and fabric
structure.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Blast from the past...
Steve, I have an Aztec and have owned it for 10 years. Really a great
airplane. I also own a 680 as well. Love em both. Gil
_____
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings
at AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851> .
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Morning, Bill!
The flaps do go full travel as the airplane slows after landing. (To test
this I landed at 130knots and had my eyeballing them so he could call out
when they started to move again.it happened around 90 knots.)
You happen to know of a good procedure to check the actuator for bypassing?
Spent some time in the maintenance manual- and the only way I could envision
was to remove and send it for overhaul. Obviously I'd prefer to do it
locally if possible.
Thanks, Bill
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flaps Half...
Do they go to full after you land? If so, check the actuator for bypassing
do to a failed O-ring.
Bill Leff
_____
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at
AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851> .
__________ NOD32 3041 (20080419) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Blast from the past... |
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> I still have the Apache 150s that I got my multi rating in. It is a
> vintage 1957 and it is a blast to fly.
>
There really should be a PA23 club, but there never will be. Near as I
can tell, an apache is like a fat girl. Almost everyone has had a great
experience with one in the past, but nobody is willing to admit it.
:-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Nancy,
I would also like a couple of the caps, but I am in Australia.
Do you have a PayPal account, or do you have a fax that I could send a Visa
authorisation?
My email is wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:05 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hats
I would like 4. Let me know how to pay her for them.
Thanks,
Craig
Nancy Gilliam wrote:
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport.
(The Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would
be more than happy to have some Commander hats or shirts made to order if
anyone is interested.
What price range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with
the head on view and Aero
Commander over the picture??
Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6291B
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod <mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats
with a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order
some more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I
really would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's
hat or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a
head on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refres
h_instantaccess_042008>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Don Girod's commander and hat |
Don asked me to publish this picture.
Here it is.
Thanks
Nico
http://www.aerocommander.com/media/dongirod001.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | kenwhyde(at)aol.com |
I will take 4 hats!
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
I would take a couple of hats. I have a 680. Gil
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Bill,
We are working on the logo,colors, etc. Watch the list and we will get a pi
cture of one so everyone knows
what they are getting, also pricing and methods of payment.
Thanks,
Roland and Nancy
From: wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.auTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: R
E: Commander-List: HatsDate: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:40:17 +1000
Nancy,
I would also like a couple of the caps, but I am in Australia.
Do you have a PayPal account, or do you have a fax that I could send a Visa
authorisation?
My email is wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig KennedySent: Tuesday, April 22,
2008 2:05 AMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: Ha
ts
I would like 4. Let me know how to pay her for them.Thanks,CraigNancy Gill
iam wrote:
My wife Nancy has a gift shop next door to the restaurant at my airport. (T
he Pilot's Wife Gift Shop) She would be more than happy to have some Co
mmander hats or shirts made to order if anyone is interested. What price
range should they be in for a nice embroidered baseball cap with the head o
n view and Aero Commander over the picture?? Roland Gilliam AC 500 N6
291B
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Re: Commander-List: HatsDate: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:50:29 -0800
I have a couple signed by Bob Hoover but do not know the source for them.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Girod
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hats
Commanderland
When I first bought my Commander (2000) I bought some baseball type hats wi
th a head on view of a commander and the words AeroCommander written above
it I think, they had them in white and blue, several years later I order so
me more and they no longer had the picture of the plane on the hat. I real
ly would have like to had the 'bird do-do' on the bill like a Captain's hat
or military field grade or whatever.
I ordered these I believe from one of the Commander service centers.
Does anyone know where you can still order the Commander hats that have a h
ead on view of the airplane?
Don
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics
.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
_________________________________________________________________
Make i'm yours.- Create a custom banner to support your cause.
MSN_Make_IM_Yours
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve" <steveg(at)nternet.com> |
Roland
Two hats for me
Steve Gilson
_____
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com [mailto:kenwhyde(at)aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
I will take 4 hats!
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hats
I would take a couple of hats. I have a 680. Gil
_____
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at
AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851> .
_____
Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flaps Half... |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
It sounds like the "O" ring in the flap actuating cylinder is bypassing flui
d.=C2- It is an easy fix.=C2- The "O" ring is std and the labor should b
e a couple of hours or less.=C2- jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:21 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flaps Half...
Morning, Bill!
=C2-
The flaps do go full travel as the airplane slows after landing. =C2-=C2
-(To test this I landed at 130knots and had my eyeballing them so he could
call out when they started to move againit happened around 90 knot
s)
=C2-
You happen to know of a good procedure to check the actuator for bypassing?
=C2- Spent some time in the maintenance manual- and the only way I could e
nvision was to remove and send it for overhaul=C2-=C2- Obviousl
y I=99d prefer to do it locally if possible
=C2-
Thanks, Bill
=C2-
=C2-
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flaps Half...
=C2-
Do they go to full after you land? If so, check the actuator for bypassing d
o to a failed O-ring.
=C2-
Bill Leff
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AO
L Autos.
=C2-
=C2-
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=C2-
__________ NOD32 3041 (20080419) Information __________
-= - The Commander-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
-========================
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-========================
-= - List Contribution Web Site -
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-========================
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
-========================
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-========================
-= - List Contribution Web Site -
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-========================
-= - The Commander-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
-========================
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-========================
-= - List Contribution Web Site -
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-========================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander at work |
Anyone here have Janitrol Ingition Unit # 11C30 for sale? Our's seems to
have disappeared from someplace other than here. Please let me know if
anyone might be able to help. Thanks!
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on |
Commanders
| From: | kenwhyde(at)aol.com |
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Try one these outfits
Mike
Advanced Aircraft Co.
CA, United States
P: 714-373-6081 F: 714-373-2383
Part Number: 164-06306
Qty:
17
Description : BRAKE DISC
CC:
FN
04/22/2008
ULTIMATE AVIATION SOLUTIONS
FL, United States
P: 1-305-394-9458 F: 1-305-591-5872
Part Number: 164-06300
Qty:
1004
Alt Part Num: 164-06306
CC:
NE
Description : DISC BRAKE, WHEEL
04/22/2008
ULTIMATE AVIATION SOLUTIONS
FL, United States
P: 1-305-394-9458 F: 1-305-591-5872
Part Number: 164-06306
Qty:
1005
Description : SLOT DISC
CC:
NE
04/22/2008
Southern Cross Aviation Inc.
FL, United States
P: 954-377-0320 F: 954-377-0300
377-0320 (Sales office only)*** All calls are welcome ***
Part Number: 164-06306
Qty:
1
Description : BRAKE DISC
CC:
NE
04/21/2008
Avparts Inc.
GA, United States
P: 770-252-4646 F: 770-252-1968
Factory Parts without Factory Prices Check our inventory on-line at www.av-
parts.com
Part Number: 164-06306
Qty:
1
Alt Part Num: 164-63
CC:
NS
Description : DISC
04/15/2008
Saywell International
FL, United States
P: 954-920-9797 F: 954-920-2353
Pls call/fax for quote all UK & USA inventory lists together. If in UK we h
ave a 3-4 Day lead time from UK to Florida and quotes are FOB Florida 3-4 d
ays. Europe customers pls call UK 44 1903 705700 fx 44 1903705701. $50 min
order $150 AOG call out.
Part Number: 164-06306
Qty:
1
Description : BRAKE DISC
CC:
NE
04/09/2008
Air investments
FL, United States
P: 954-925-2566 F: 954-671-6305
Part Number: RA164-06306
Qty:
6
Alt Part Num: 164-06306
CC:
NE
Description : DISC
04/09/2008
Mid State Aviation Parts
NE, United States
P: 308-537-3534 F: 308-537-3255
Please call 800-658-4393 or 308-537-3534 for quantity available.You may als
o e-mail or fax at 308-537-3255.
Part Number: 164-06306
Qty:
51400
Description : DISC BRAKE, WHEEL
CC:
OR
03/10/2008
CTG / Crestwood Technology Group
NY, United States
P: 914-779-2901 F: 914-375-4508
Woman Owned - Small Business --- ISO 9001:2000 Certified ----AS9120:2002 Ae
rospace Certified----- ANSI/ESD-S20.20-1999 CERTIFIED - Govt Credit Cards a
ccepted ---- Cage Code 1S5X8 ALL PARTS IN STOCK, SAME DAY SHIPPING--- Rapid
Quotes www.CTG123.com -----
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
36
Description : CTG STOCK SHIP TODAY
CC:
OR
04/22/2008
Advanced Aircraft Co.
CA, United States
P: 714-373-6081 F: 714-373-2383
Part Number: 30-99
Qty:
10
Description : BRAKE ASSEMBLY
CC:
FN
04/22/2008
ULTIMATE AVIATION SOLUTIONS
FL, United States
P: 1-305-394-9458 F: 1-305-591-5872
*******LEAD TIME VARIES BY PART********** PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF OUR NEW PHONE
NUMBERS PHONE 1+(305)394-9458 FAX 1+(305)591-5872 MSN MESSENGER:ULTIMATE-S
OLUTIONS(at)HOTMAIL.COM) IF NO RESPONSE WITHIN 48 HOURS THEN CONSIDER "NO QUOT
E"
Part Number: 030-09900
Qty:
1006
Alt Part Num: 30-99
CC:
NE
Description : BRAKE AY
04/22/2008
ULTIMATE AVIATION SOLUTIONS
FL, United States
P: 1-305-394-9458 F: 1-305-591-5872
*******LEAD TIME VARIES BY PART********** PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF OUR NEW PHONE
NUMBERS PHONE 1+(305)394-9458 FAX 1+(305)591-5872 MSN MESSENGER:ULTIMATE-S
OLUTIONS(at)HOTMAIL.COM) IF NO RESPONSE WITHIN 48 HOURS THEN CONSIDER "NO QUOT
E"
Part Number: 30-99
Qty:
1004
Description : BRAKE AY
CC:
NE
04/22/2008
ULTIMATE AVIATION SOLUTIONS
FL, United States
P: 1-305-394-9458 F: 1-305-591-5872
*******LEAD TIME VARIES BY PART********** PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF OUR NEW PHONE
NUMBERS PHONE 1+(305)394-9458 FAX 1+(305)591-5872 MSN MESSENGER:ULTIMATE-S
OLUTIONS(at)HOTMAIL.COM) IF NO RESPONSE WITHIN 48 HOURS THEN CONSIDER "NO QUOT
E"
Part Number: 309-9
Qty:
1000
Description : PRES PLATE
CC:
NE
04/22/2008
Electronics Supply Co. Inc.
MO, United States
P: 816-931-0250 F:
Our business model allows us to conduct business only within the Continenta
l United States.
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
2
Description : Photofact
CC:
FN
04/22/2008
Dodson International
KS, United States
P: 785-878-4000 F: 785-878-4444
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
48
Alt Part Num:
CC:
NS
Description : LATCH
04/22/2008
Milcom Supply
TX, United States
P: 817-439-3560 F: 817-439-3561
$75.00 MIN ORDER ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED PLEASE FAX OR EMAIL
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
390
Description :
CC:
NE
04/22/2008
Brown Helicopter
FL, United States
P: 850-455-0971 F: 850-456-8231
V/MC *MIN PO 50US/150INTL* IF NO REPLY IN 72 HRS THEN NO QUOTE
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
1
Alt Part Num: 3020/00/877/0226
CC:
NS
Description : GEAR
04/21/2008
Southern Cross Aviation Inc.
FL, United States
P: 954-377-0320 F: 954-377-0300
377-0320 (Sales office only)*** All calls are welcome ***
Part Number: 30-99
Qty:
1
Description : BRAKE ASSEMBLY
CC:
NE
04/21/2008
JARRDD (J.A.R.R.D.D.), Inc
NJ, United States
P: Fax OR e-Mail RFQ F: 856-310-0022
Manufacturer and Distributor of Defense Spare Parts Mechanical and Electro-
Mechanical Components for the Air Force, Army, Marine Corp, Navy and variou
s OEMS . CAGE: 1B6X2
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
1
Alt Part Num:
CC:
OR
Description : BUSHING
04/18/2008
Dixie Air Parts Supply Inc.
TX, United States
P: Fax or email F: 210-924-4901
Please fax or e-mail all requests. If no response in 48 hours, consider no
quote. Minimum order $50, mimimum line $10. We accept Visa, MC, AMEX. Cage
2B816
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
60
Alt Part Num: 6210-00-295-2622
CC:
NS
Description : LENS,LIGHT
04/15/2008
Select Air Parts
VA, United States
P: 540-564-0010 F: 540-432-0193
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
1
Description : SIM TACHOMETER TURBIEA
CC:
NE
04/14/2008
AVIATION-EXCESS INC
FL, United States
P: 305-921-9244 F: 305-479-2517
THOUSANDS OF AIRLINES TRACE UNITS AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR REASONABLE PRICE. MO
ST OF THE UNITS IN STOCK. CALL US TODAY
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
30
Description : STUD
CC:
NS
04/14/2008
CTG / Crestwood Technology Group
NY, United States
P: 914-779-3500 F: 914-375-4508
Woman Owned - Small Business --- ISO 9001:2000 Certified ----AS9120:2002 Ae
rospace Certified----- ANSI/ESD-S20.20-1999 CERTIFIED - Govt Credit Cards a
ccepted ---- Cage Code 1S5X8 ALL PARTS IN STOCK, SAME DAY SHIPPING--- Rapid
Quotes www.CTG123.com -----
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
1087
Description : ELECTROMECHANICAL
CC:
NS
04/11/2008
Saywell International
FL, United States
P: 954-920-9797 F: 954-920-2353
Pls call/fax for quote all UK & USA inventory lists together. If in UK we h
ave a 3-4 Day lead time from UK to Florida and quotes are FOB Florida 3-4 d
ays. Europe customers pls call UK 44 1903 705700 fx 44 1903705701. $50 min
order $150 AOG call out.
Part Number: 30-99
Qty:
OR
Description : BRAKE ASSEMBLY
CC:
OR
04/09/2008
Aircraft Heating & Elec., Inc.
CA, United States
P: 1-800-409-4328 F: 1-530-246-4371
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
2
Description : 89D22-2 COMBUSTION BLOWER ...
CC:
OR
04/08/2008
One Source Aerospace
FL, United States
P: 305-949-4644 F: 305-949-9906
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
1
Description : Sensor
CC:
AR
03/26/2008
One Source Aerospace
FL, United States
P: 305-949-4644 F: 305-949-9906
Part Number: 3099
Qty:
1
Description : Sensor
CC:
OH
03/26/2008
Mid State Aviation Parts
NE, United States
P: 308-537-3534 F: 308-537-3255
Please call 800-658-4393 or 308-537-3534 for quantity available.You may als
o e-mail or fax at 308-537-3255.
Part Number: 30-99
Qty:
175400
Description : BRAKE AY
CC:
OR
03/10/2008
rake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on CommandersDate: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:01
9-88 in stock that we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone h
ave a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Di
sc are probably the most important!Thanks Guy's...Ken HydeN47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
_________________________________________________________________
Make i'm yours.- Create a custom banner to support your cause.
MSN_Make_IM_Yours
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Commander at work |
Try one of these outfits
Mike
Consolidated Aircraft Supply
Premier Vendor
P: 631-981-7700 F: 631-981-7706
NY, United States
Part Number: 11C30
Qty:
6
Alt Part Num: 11C30-1
CC:
OH
Description : IGNITOR
4/8/2008
Professional Aviation Associate
GA, United States
P: 404-767-0282 F: 404-767-1467
Part Number: 11C30
Qty:
10
Description : IGNITION UNIT
CC:
AR
04/23/2008
Aviation Instrument Services
FL, United States
P: 305-251-7200 F: 305-251-2300
Part Number: 11C30
Qty:
2
Description : IGNITION UNIT ASSEMB
CC:
RP
04/23/2008
International Helicopter Parts
CA, United States
P: 951-359-5457 F: 951-359-5019
MIN ORDER $100.00. We only sale to Companys in the USA
Part Number: 11C30
Qty:
4
Description : IGNITION
CC:
OR
04/23/2008
AN Aviation
FL, United States
P: 561-337-6029 F: 561-459-8086
Part Number: 11C30
Qty:
73
Alt Part Num: 1660003081052
CC:
SV
Description : IGNITION UNIT
04/23/2008
ULTIMATE AVIATION SOLUTIONS
FL, United States
P: 1-305-394-9458 F: 1-305-591-5872
*******LEAD TIME VARIES BY PART********** PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF OUR NEW PHONE
NUMBERS PHONE 1+(305)394-9458 FAX 1+(305)591-5872 MSN MESSENGER:ULTIMATE-S
OLUTIONS(at)HOTMAIL.COM) IF NO RESPONSE WITHIN 48 HOURS THEN CONSIDER "NO QUOT
E"
Part Number: 11C30
Qty:
1000
Description : IGNITION
CC:
NE
04/22/2008
_________________________________________________________________
Back to work after baby'how do you know when you=92re ready?
http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=
5797498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
The kit 199-88 from me 3900.00 FOB Titusville
164-06306 380.00
all new, Two weeks delivery
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:01 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Chris
I did not know that Bill Clinton flew an apache:-))
dan
---------------------------------
Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Don't give up guys, We are working hard to get the prices for the hats. Her
regular
price for hats is $ 15.00. My hold up is for the "scrambled eggs" on the bi
ll. (All of you may not want that) Will be in touch soon.
Roland
From: steveg(at)nternet.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Comman
der-List: HatsDate: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:55:51 -0500
Roland
Two hats for me
Steve Gilson
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com [mailto:kenwhyde(at)aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2
008 4:10 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: Hat
s
I will take 4 hats!Ken HydeN47AC-----Original Message-----From: WINGFLYER1@
aol.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 9:00 pmSubjec
t: Re: Commander-List: Hats
I would take a couple of hats. I have a 680. Gil
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at A
OL Autos.
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More! http://www.ma
tronics.com/contribution
_________________________________________________________________
Make i'm yours.- Create a custom banner to support your cause.
MSN_Make_IM_Yours
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Ken,
Rapco have PMA disks that fit my Cleveland's, and they are about 60% of the
Parker price.
Cheers,
Bill hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not
been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If
this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's
part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most
important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
_____
Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Survey Commanders |
Hi Guys,
Some years ago now, I had some email correspondence with somebody whose
father flew Commanders in the aerial survey role and we covered the
subject of wing spars.
Some while ago, while Outlook Express was compacting my emails, a bunch
of them was lost.
So, if that person remembers the exchange of emails, will you please be
kind enough to email me again!
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
| From: | kenwhyde(at)aol.com |
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
?
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the
time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had
seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains
making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although
this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with
the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting
to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more
along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Ken,
Glad to hear that you found the set of discs. You are, of course, very
welcome.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Gary,
The single caliper set was on my 680Fp when I purchased it, and
according to the logs had been on it a long time. My plane has a max
gross weight of 8,000 lbs., and is close to gross most of the time. I
have been very happy with the brake system and it stops very well.
Moe
From: Gary Moshluk
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the
time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had
seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains
making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although
this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with
the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting
to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more
along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" =
bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied
costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.
At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of course
I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders
over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned
out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite
rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560
was originally fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders.
The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure
there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up was
superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held reservations
on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland
folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the
mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the
lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that
is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his
well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.
Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style
I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were
of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston
- single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically
a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with.
I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The originally
fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making
sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set
up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the
Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing
the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubishi
MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along
the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88
brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
<DIV><BR></DIV><WBR>Thanks Moe,<BR><BR>Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.<BR><BR>Ken<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Moe-rosspistons <<A href="mailto:moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com">moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com</A>><BR>To: <A href="mailto:commander-list(at)matronics.com">commander-list(at)matronics.com</A><BR>Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm<BR>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders<BR><BR>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am
clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this
board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various fly-ins.
Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time in the
penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if you
spew venom in public.
I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" doesn't
give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your experience
on this list.
Cheers,
/John
skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
>
> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
>
> Brent
>
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for
> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal
> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper
> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I
> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a
> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the
> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured
> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear
> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
>
> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well
> structure. Although this set up was superior to the
> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
> reservations on this installation.
>
> After some further investigation some time later and consultation
> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the
> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were
> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
>
> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
> more along the lines of what I might have.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* kenwhyde(at)aol.com
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>
> Thanks Moe,
>
> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
> >
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>
> Ken,
>
> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however,
> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a
> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310)
> 350-4594.
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680Fp
>
>
> *From:* kenwhyde(at)aol.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>
> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that
> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a
> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part #
> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
>
> Thanks Guy's...
>
> Ken Hyde
> N47AC
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get the MapQuest Toolbar
> <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>,
> Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
> <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004>:
> America's #1 Mapping Site.
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not a
single caliper 4 piston installation can potentially be 337'd on a
Commander. As I indicated, for me this arrangement is far better
(ultimately safer in my opinion) than the original Goodyear brake
system. Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland setup on my 560 while not
perfectly kosher should be permitted as its simply modern technology.
What I was trying to clear up - is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd
Cleveland set up a single caliper version, or the more common twin
caliper style?
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for
my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at
the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I
had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure.
Although this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided
performance I have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation
with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels
when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for
fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
more along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they
have not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of
about .463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
STC,d for used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we
can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping
Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Single caliper
What I was trying to clear up -?is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set
up?a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style??
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Moshluk <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not?a single caliper?4
piston?installation?can potentially be 337'd on a Commander.? As I indicated,
for me this arrangement is far better (ultimately safer in my opinion)
than the original Goodyear brake system.? Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland
setup on my 560 while not perfectly kosher should be permitted as its simply modern
technology.
?
What I was trying to clear up -?is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland set
up?a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style??
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" =
bad egg via personal experience.? Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied
costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
?
sorry Harry,?what comes around?goes around...
?
Brent
?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of?"Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.?
At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.? Of course
I assumed?I'd be getting?the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders
over the years.??What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned
out to be?a set?of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite
rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560
was originally fitted with.? I was assured these were proper?for Commanders.?
The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
?
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure
there was clearance to the wheel well structure.??Although this?set up was
superior to the Goodyear's?and provided performance I have always held reservations
on this installation.
?
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland
folks?(upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the
mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting?to?Mitsubishi MU-2's.
?
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the
lines of what I might have.??????
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
?
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
John
I have no idea who "ex-con" is but I got new props from Harry and except
for some delays that I do not believe were Harry's fault, you know he get
yanked around like everyone else. But the bottom line is Harry offered me
my money back and I said no I wants the props, and I got the props, fresh
from the prop shop Zero Time. And I was happy with Harry's work.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
>
> Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am
> clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this
> board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various fly-ins.
> Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time in the
> penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if you
> spew venom in public.
>
> I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172" doesn't
> give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your experience
> on this list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
>
>
> skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net wrote:
>> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
>> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
>> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
>>
>> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
>>
>> Brent
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
>> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for
>> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal
>> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper
>> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I
>> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a
>> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the
>> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
>> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured
>> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear
>> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
>>
>> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
>> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well
>> structure. Although this set up was superior to the
>> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
>> reservations on this installation.
>>
>> After some further investigation some time later and consultation
>> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the
>> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were
>> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
>>
>> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
>> more along the lines of what I might have.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* kenwhyde(at)aol.com
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
>> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>>
>> Thanks Moe,
>>
>> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
>> >
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
>> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however,
>> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a
>> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell (310)
>> 350-4594.
>>
>> Moe
>> N680RR
>> 680Fp
>>
>>
>> *From:* kenwhyde(at)aol.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
>> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
>> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
>>
>> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that
>> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a
>> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part #
>> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
>>
>> Thanks Guy's...
>>
>> Ken Hyde
>> N47AC
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Get the MapQuest Toolbar
>> <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>,
>> Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
>>
>> *
>>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com/>">http://forums.matronics.com
<http://forums.matronics.com/>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
>> <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004>:
>> America's #1 Mapping Site.
>>
>> *
>>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
4/24/2008 7:24 AM
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Funny, when I got my new compact hub Hartzells from the factory back in
'99 when they were running their special, we waited weeks for them.
Hartzell slowed down my project more than any other item!
Cheers,
/John
Don Girod wrote:
>
>
> John
>
> I have no idea who "ex-con" is but I got new props from Harry and
> except for some delays that I do not believe were Harry's fault, you
> know he get yanked around like everyone else. But the bottom line is
> Harry offered me my money back and I said no I wants the props, and I
> got the props, fresh from the prop shop Zero Time. And I was happy
> with Harry's work.
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50)
> STC,d for used on Commanders
>
>
>
> >
> > Who the hell is "ex-con"? I've been on this board for 9 years and am
> > clueless on this. I've done business with many of the people on this
> > board, and have met pretty much all the regulars at the various
> fly-ins.
> > Even Harry. I don't know any offhand that have spent quality time
> in the
> > penitentiary system. You're going to have to provide some detail if
> you
> > spew venom in public.
> >
> > I'm also curious about your Commander background. "skyhawkc-172"
> doesn't
> > give me much insight into your Commander experience, or your
> experience
> > on this list.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
> >
> > skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net wrote:
> >> Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
> >> that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
> >> and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
> >>
> >> sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
> >>
> >> Brent
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
> >> I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000
> for
> >> my '54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great
> deal
> >> at the time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper
> >> style I had seen on other Commanders over the years. What I
> >> received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to
> be a
> >> set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the
> >> requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
> >> Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured
> >> these were proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear
> >> brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
> >>
> >> After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the
> >> mains making sure there was clearance to the wheel well
> >> structure. Although this set up was superior to the
> >> Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
> >> reservations on this installation.
> >>
> >> After some further investigation some time later and consultation
> >> with the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the
> >> wheels when refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were
> >> intended for fitting to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
> >>
> >> So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps
> >> more along the lines of what I might have.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> *From:* kenwhyde(at)aol.com
> >> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
> >> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
> >>
> >> Thanks Moe,
> >>
> >> Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
> >>
> >> Ken
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
> >> >
> >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
> >> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
> >>
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however,
> >> they have not been used since the discs were remachined to a
> >> thickness of about .463. If this will help call my cell
> (310)
> >> 350-4594.
> >>
> >> Moe
> >> N680RR
> >> 680Fp
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* kenwhyde(at)aol.com
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
> >> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit
> >> (Beech50) STC,d for used on Commanders
> >>
> >> HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock
> that
> >> we can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a
> >> spare set of disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part #
> >> 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
> >>
> >> Thanks Guy's...
> >>
> >> Ken Hyde
> >> N47AC
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Get the MapQuest Toolbar
> >> <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>,
> >> Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>">http://forums.matronics.com
> <http://forums.matronics.com/>
> >>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> >> *
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
> >> <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004>:
> >> America's #1 Mapping Site.
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> >>
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> >>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
> >> *
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- > Checked by AVG.
> 4/24/2008 7:24 AM
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
The original kit supplied by Cleveland was the 199-74 kit which had the
single caliper for the 500 to 680F models. This was replaced about 18 years
ago by the 199-80 kit which has the two calipers.
The 199-88 is for the T-Bone and is the same kit as the original -74 kit. I
believe that if you want to fit this kit the STC can still be arranged from
Cleveland through our fearless leader JB. This was the arrangement a couple
of years ago. The 74/88 kit is good on the short bodied commanders as it is
not quite as harsh as the 80 kit which is great on the long bodies. I have
heard that some people have used the 80 kit but removed one of the calipers.
Banking I think on the fact that the FAA dope does not know what he is
looking at anyway.
Just a little wisdom from Down Under.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, 25 April 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Single caliper
What I was trying to clear up - is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland
set up a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Moshluk <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
My intent was not to disparage Harry only to clear up whether or not a
single caliper 4 piston installation can potentially be 337'd on a
Commander. As I indicated, for me this arrangement is far better
(ultimately safer in my opinion) than the original Goodyear brake system.
Legal or no this ersatz Cleveland setup on my 560 while not perfectly kosher
should be permitted as its simply modern technology.
What I was trying to clear up - is the Beech 50 (aka 199-88) STC'd Cleveland
set up a single caliper version, or the more common twin caliper style?
----- Original Message -----
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that
is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his
well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54
560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of
course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other
Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture
but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and
included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were
proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop
a wheel barrow on a good day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making
sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up
was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the
Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to
Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along
the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not
been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If
this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's
part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most
important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
_____
Get the MapQuest Toolbar
<http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003> , Maps, Traffi
c,
Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
ic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com
">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mappin
g
Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
ic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com
">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
ic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com
">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mappin
g
Site.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
by the way brent you still owe me $20 for the key i forwarded to you. gmc
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.netTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re:
Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Comm
andersDate: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:49 +0000
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that
is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his
well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh@
charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 5
60. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of
course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other
Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture
but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and in
cluded the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were pr
oper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a
wheel barrow on a good day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains makin
g sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set
up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always he
ld reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the
Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbish
ing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to Mitsubish
i MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more alon
g the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.Ken---
--Original Message-----From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>T
o: commander-list(at)matronics.comSent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pmSubject: Re: C
ommander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on Comma
nders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not b
een used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If
this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for use
d on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can repla
ce in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part
# 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most import
ant!Thanks Guy's...Ken HydeN47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Survey Commanders |
Barry,
That was my Dad, Ronald Welebny. ron(at)melking.com
He flew Commanders and DC-3's worldwide doing magnetometer surveys in
the sixties and seventies. A couple 680E's were lost, and a couple broke
spars. They had the interiors stripped out when working from jungle
strips in southeast Asia, and did dye penetrant checks after every
flight. (Espcially after the weekly beer-run, is my suspicion.)
Send him a message. He's always happy to talk about Commanders and had
some dealings with the factory engineers working on the survey mod.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Survey Commanders
Hi Guys,
Some years ago now, I had some email correspondence with somebody
whose father flew Commanders in the aerial survey role and we covered
the subject of wing spars.
Some while ago, while Outlook Express was compacting my emails, a
bunch of them was lost.
So, if that person remembers the exchange of emails, will you please
be kind enough to email me again!
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Survey Commanders |
Hi Steve,
Grateful thanks!
Now I'm aware again of the names 'involved', let me do another trawl
through my messages to see if yours made it through the "cull" that
Outlook Express decided to execute whilst performing a "compact"
routine.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve at Col-East
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Survey Commanders
Barry,
That was my Dad, Ronald Welebny. ron(at)melking.com
He flew Commanders and DC-3's worldwide doing magnetometer surveys in
the sixties and seventies. A couple 680E's were lost, and a couple broke
spars. They had the interiors stripped out when working from jungle
strips in southeast Asia, and did dye penetrant checks after every
flight. (Espcially after the weekly beer-run, is my suspicion.)
Send him a message. He's always happy to talk about Commanders and had
some dealings with the factory engineers working on the survey mod.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Survey Commanders
Hi Guys,
Some years ago now, I had some email correspondence with somebody
whose father flew Commanders in the aerial survey role and we covered
the subject of wing spars.
Some while ago, while Outlook Express was compacting my emails, a
bunch of them was lost.
So, if that person remembers the exchange of emails, will you please
be kind enough to email me again!
Very Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
| From: | kenwhyde(at)aol.com |
Hey Guys,
This web site , in my opinion is about new good friends who know a great airplane
when they see one...the Aero-Commander and keeping them in the air. Finding
the parts and help that I needed came from these gentleman on this web site and
their willingness to take the time to help.?I take strong exception to using
my call for help or this web site as a form to vent anger and name calling as
I see on these e-mails. Got a problem, look in the yellow page under "Lawyers".
But an even better answer is to do as? Abe Lincoln once said "I don't like
that guy...guess I should get to know him better". This from a Virginian where
we never forget that War!
Ken Hyde N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
by the way brent you still owe me $20 for the key i forwarded to you. gmc
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:49 +0000
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" =
bad egg via personal experience.? Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied
costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
?
sorry Harry,?what comes around?goes around...
?
Brent
?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of?"Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.?
At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.? Of course
I assumed?I'd be getting?the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders
over the years.??What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned
out to be?a set?of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite
rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560
was originally fitted with.? I was assured these were proper?for Commanders.?
The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
?
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure
there was clearance to the wheel well structure.??Although this?set up was
superior to the Goodyear's?and provided performance I have always held reservations
on this installation.
?
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland
folks?(upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the
mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting?to?Mitsubishi MU-2's.
?
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the
lines of what I might have.??????
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
?
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 7:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Hey Guys,
?
This web site , in my opinion is about new good friends who know a great airplane
when they see one...the Aero-Commander and keeping them in the air. Finding
the parts and help that I needed came from these gentleman on this web site and
their willingness to take the time to help.?I take strong exception to using
my call for help or this web site as a form to vent anger and name calling as
I see on these e-mails. Got a problem, look in the yellow page under "Lawyers".
But an even better answer is to do as? Abe Lincoln once said "I don't like
that guy...guess I should get to know him better". This from a Virginian where
we never forget that War!
Ken Hyde N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
by the way brent you still owe me $20 for the key i forwarded to you. gmc
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:49 +0000
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that is" =
bad egg via personal experience.? Want more info ask Harry and his well disatisfied
costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
?
sorry Harry,?what comes around?goes around...
?
Brent
?
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of?"Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54 560.?
At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time.? Of course
I assumed?I'd be getting?the twin caliper style I had seen on other Commanders
over the years.??What I received were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned
out to be?a set?of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite
rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560
was originally fitted with.? I was assured these were proper?for Commanders.?
The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good day.
?
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making sure
there was clearance to the wheel well structure.??Although this?set up was
superior to the Goodyear's?and provided performance I have always held reservations
on this installation.
?
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the Cleveland
folks?(upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurbishing the
mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting?to?Mitsubishi MU-2's.
?
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along the
lines of what I might have.??????
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of? new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
Ken,
?
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not been
used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.? If this will
help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
?
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
?
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used on
Commanders
HELP!? HELP!? Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can replace in
4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's part # 164-06306
or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Ken-
Where in Virginia?
We've been out in Nevada the past few years but we're looking to be back in
Good ol' Virginia by year end.
Will raise the state's commander population by one..
Robert S. Randazzo
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Hey Guys,
This web site , in my opinion is about new good friends who know a great
airplane when they see one...the Aero-Commander and keeping them in the air.
Finding the parts and help that I needed came from these gentleman on this
web site and their willingness to take the time to help. I take strong
exception to using my call for help or this web site as a form to vent anger
and name calling as I see on these e-mails. Got a problem, look in the
yellow page under "Lawyers". But an even better answer is to do as Abe
Lincoln once said "I don't like that guy...guess I should get to know him
better". This from a Virginian where we never forget that War!
Ken Hyde N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
by the way brent you still owe me $20 for the key i forwarded to you. gmc
_____
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:49 +0000
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that
is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry and his
well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '54
560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the time. Of
course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had seen on other
Commanders over the years. What I received were of Cleveland manufacture
but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston - single caliper brakes, and
included the requisite rotors and wheels - basically a modern version of the
Goodyear's the 560 was originally fitted with. I was assured these were
proper for Commanders. The originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop
a wheel barrow on a good day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making
sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although this set up
was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I have always held
reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the
Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting to
Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along
the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not
been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463. If
this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc's
part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most
important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
_____
Get the MapQuest <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com
">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping
Site.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com
">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping
Site.
__________ NOD32 3055 (20080425) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
| From: | kenwhyde(at)aol.com |
Robert,
I am just North of Warrenton which is 55 miles West of Washington DC. I have
a hanger at HWY or old W66. Nice place to live...they have not messed it up
yet. Glad to show you the area...If you would like the local papers, I will
be glad to mail you copies.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:41 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Ken-
=C2-
Where in Virginia?
=C2-
We=99ve been out in Nevada the past few years but we=99re lookin
g to be back in Good ol=99 Virginia by year end
=C2-
Will raise the state=99s commander population by one.
=C2-
Robert S. Randazzo
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list
-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
=C2-
Hey Guys,
=C2-
This web site , in my opinion is about new good friends who know a great air
plane when they see one...the Aero-Commander and keeping them in the air. Fi
nding the parts and help that I needed came from these gentleman on this web
site and their willingness to take the time to help.=C2-I take strong exc
eption to using my call for help or this web site as a form to vent anger an
d name calling as I see on these e-mails. Got a problem, look in the yellow
page under "Lawyers". But an even better answer is to do as=C2- Abe Lincol
n once said "I don't like that guy...guess I should get to know him better".
This from a Virginian where we never forget that War!
Ken Hyde N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
by the way brent you still owe me $20 for the key i forwarded to you. gmc
From: skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:49 +0000
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom that
is" = bad egg via personal experience.=C2- Want more info ask Harry and
his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
=C2-
sorry Harry,=C2-what comes around=C2-goes around...
=C2-
Brent
=C2-
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of=C2-"Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my '
54 560.=C2- At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the t
ime.=C2- Of course I assumed=C2-I'd be getting=C2-the twin caliper sty
le I had seen on other Commanders over the years.=C2-=C2-What I received
were of Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be=C2-a set=C2-of
4 piston - single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and whee
ls - basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally fit
ted with.=C2- I was assured these were proper=C2-for Commanders.=C2- T
he originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
=C2-
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains making
sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure.=C2-=C2-Although t
his=C2-set up was superior to the Goodyear's=C2-and provided performance
I have always held reservations on this installation.
=C2-
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with the C
leveland folks=C2-(upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when refurb
ishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting=C2-to
=C2-Mitsubishi MU-2's.
=C2-
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more along
the lines of what I might have.=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
=C2-
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of=C2- new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
Ken,
=C2-
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have not be
en used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about .463.=C2-
If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
=C2-
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
=C2-
=C2-
From: kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used
on Commanders
=C2-
HELP!=C2- HELP!=C2- Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we
can replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of disc
's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably the most
important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
=C2-
=C2-
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
=C2-
=C2-
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com: America's #1 Mapping Site.
=C2-
=C2-
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=C2-
__________ NOD32 3055 (20080425) Information __________
-= - The Commander-List Email Forum -
-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse
-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,
-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,
-= Photoshare, and much much more:
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
-========================
-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!
-= --> http://forums.matronics.com
-========================
-= - List Contribution Web Site -
-= Thank you for your generous support!
-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
-========================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for used |
on Commanders
Ken-
Thanks for the offer. I know the area very well- as I lived in
Alexandria for a dozen years prior to 2005. My wife=99s work is
taking us back in that direction- and while I=99m not excited
about the traffic- I am looking forward to reconnecting with many old
friends there. W66 was the first place I every practiced touch
n=99 goes oh many years ago. I didn=99t realize
that they gave the field an ICAO- does that mean it=99s growing?
I=99ll probably be looking to hangar the Commander and the SNJ at
RMN. I=99ll give you a shout via this list when we get back-
maybe we can meet up for a $300 cup of coffee. (and they
think starbucks is expensive)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Robert,
I am just North of Warrenton which is 55 miles West of Washington DC. I
have a hanger at HWY or old W66. Nice place to live...they have not
messed it up yet. Glad to show you the area...If you would like the
local papers, I will be glad to mail you copies.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:41 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Ken-
Where in Virginia?
We=99ve been out in Nevada the past few years but we=99re
looking to be back in Good ol=99 Virginia by year end
Will raise the state=99s commander population by one.
Robert S. Randazzo
From: <mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Hey Guys,
This web site , in my opinion is about new good friends who know a great
airplane when they see one...the Aero-Commander and keeping them in the
air. Finding the parts and help that I needed came from these gentleman
on this web site and their willingness to take the time to help. I take
strong exception to using my call for help or this web site as a form to
vent anger and name calling as I see on these e-mails. Got a problem,
look in the yellow page under "Lawyers". But an even better answer is to
do as Abe Lincoln once said "I don't like that guy...guess I should get
to know him better". This from a Virginian where we never forget that
War!
Ken Hyde N47AC
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER < <mailto:kamala(at)MSN.COM> kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 8:02 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
by the way brent you still owe me $20 for the key i forwarded to you.
gmc
_____
From: <mailto:skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net> skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:49 +0000
Harry Merrit = good friend of ex-con "everyone here should know whom
that is" = bad egg via personal experience. Want more info ask Harry
and his well disatisfied costumers. or his good friend. AKA ex-con.
sorry Harry, what comes around goes around...
Brent
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Gary Moshluk" < <mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net> gmosh(at)charter.net>
I bought a set of "Cleveland's" from Harry Merrit back in 2000 for my
'54 560. At a cost of $1500.00 bucks I thought it a great deal at the
time. Of course I assumed I'd be getting the twin caliper style I had
seen on other Commanders over the years. What I received were of
Cleveland manufacture but they turned out to be a set of 4 piston -
single caliper brakes, and included the requisite rotors and wheels -
basically a modern version of the Goodyear's the 560 was originally
fitted with. I was assured these were proper for Commanders. The
originally fitted Goodyear brakes couldn't stop a wheel barrow on a good
day.
After a bit of jury rigging I was able to fit this style to the mains
making sure there was clearance to the wheel well structure. Although
this set up was superior to the Goodyear's and provided performance I
have always held reservations on this installation.
After some further investigation some time later and consultation with
the Cleveland folks (upon finding a sticker on one of the wheels when
refurbishing the mains) - these "Cleveland's" were intended for fitting
to Mitsubishi MU-2's.
So now I'm curious is the 199-88 the twin caliper type or perhaps more
along the lines of what I might have.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:kenwhyde(at)aol.com> kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Thanks Moe,
Greatly appreciate your offer, I found a set of new disc.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons < <mailto:moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d
for used on Commanders
Ken,
I have a set of Cleveland discs, that are not new, however, they have
not been used since the discs were remachined to a thickness of about
.463. If this will help call my cell (310) 350-4594.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: <mailto:kenwhyde(at)aol.com> kenwhyde(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland 199-88 brake kit (Beech50) STC,d for
used on Commanders
HELP! HELP! Anyone have a Cleveland Kit 199-88 in stock that we can
replace in 4 -6 weeks from Cleveland. Or anyone have a spare set of
disc's part # 164-06306 or brake assy part # 30-99??? Disc are probably
the most important!
Thanks Guy's...
Ken Hyde
N47AC
_____
Get the <http://www.mapquest.com/toolbar?NCID=mpqmap00030000000003>
MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions & More!
href="
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href=" http://forums.matronics.com">
<http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com
href="
http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> MapQuest.com:
America's #1 Mapping Site.
href="
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href=" http://forums.matronics.com">
<http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com
href="
http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c
" target=_blank> <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank> <http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> MapQuest.com:
America's #1 Mapping Site.
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
<http://forums.matronics.com/> http://forums.matronics.com
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
__________ NOD32 3055 (20080425) Information __________
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
://forums.matronics.com
lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
_____
Plan your next roadtrip with
<http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> MapQuest.com:
America's #1 Mapping Site.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
__________ NOD32 3055 (20080425) Information __________
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Good afternoon Ladies and-Gents,=0A--- Does anyone know the beat (a
nd least expensive place to get Cleveland pads # 66-90?=0AThanks in advance
,=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A _______________________
_____________________________________________________________=0ABe a better
friend, newshound, and =0Aknow-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ht
tp://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Survey Commanders |
I have a 680. What caused the spars to break?
**************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car
listings at AOL Autos.
(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Survey Commanders |
Read this:
http://www.casa.gov.au/airworth/papers/aerocommander.pdf
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.comDate: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:49:25 -0400Subject: Re: C
ommander-List: Survey CommandersTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
I have a 680. What caused the spars to break?
Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at A
OL Autos.
_________________________________________________________________
Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize!
http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale
=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Survey Commanders |
Just getting back from flying. Don't panic!
The lower cap of the spars were raduised where they enter the cabin,
(and again in the nacelle on the bathtubs).
The real short story is the spars developed cracks at those (radia?
radiuses? Too tired to think) in the lower cap. Which can end up
shortening your day considerably.
The fix was the great honking strap riveted to the lower cap. I haven't
been around a bathtub in a dog's age or two, but believe the strap on
bathtubs extended outboard past the lower cap radius in the nacelle.
The spar continues to be the Achille's Heel of sorts for Commanders, as
we're still dealing with the repercusions of the factory's decision to
radius the caps way back when because of corrosion. The 500B I now fly
used an aluminum strap, and is not as subject to electrolysis in the
dissimilar metals causing corrosion as in other models. The straps made
of stainless steel are another matter.
By AD, the caps are checked yearly. We operate a little heavy and its
often bumpy, so we are maybe extra attentive.
I don't know that there have been any airframes lost once they were
strapped. Commanders are not falling out of the sky.
The Commander spar is a fascinating engineering study, and has been
managed.
I ain't an engineer. I don't want to pretend to be one. I tried to be
careful with facts. I'm writing quick, going out to eat with the wife.
Going to have a beer, some food, and a nap. Maybe all at the same time.
The others in the group can correct any errors, I'm sure!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:49 PM
April 17, 2008 - April 25, 2008
Commander-Archive.digest.vol-cz