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July 30, 2008 - September 22, 2008
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We had a bad wind storm here in Delaware a few months back and the top skin of
my left elevator was slightly damaged near the outer leading edge. I've searched
around for a skin and/or replacement elevator, but little luck - only skin
I could find was rediculously priced. Complete new/salvage elevator was cheaper!
PN for skin is: 5440000-216
PN for elevator assembly is: 5440000-401
Damage is minor - does FAA allow repairs to control surfaces these days, or do
I need to replace?
Is this top skin a standard aircraft section? Looks like the control surface material
on Cessnas. If so, my A&P should be able to buy a stock sheet and replace?
Any other ideas?
Thanks,
Matt
N2760B
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
Nothing for you either Gil
In a message dated 7/29/2008 9:38:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com writes:
I have a 680 with GSO-480-B1A6(N-6819Q )Based @ MBT Murfreesboro, Tn.
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: (no subject) |
Your good to go too Ken,
Thanks,
Bert
In a message dated 7/29/2008 8:23:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
KenWHyde(at)aol.com writes:
N47AC 1974 500S #3200
Thanks,
Ken
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Members List with N-Numbers |
Nothing here for you either Lloyd
In a message dated 7/29/2008 8:22:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lloydsss(at)gmail.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "lloyd SILVERMAN"
N6290X 1962 500B (GETTING A MAJORED LEFT ENGINE & WORKOVER)
THANKS,LLOYD SILVERMAN
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:28 PM, wrote:
> No Sir, so far we have only had one winner, which is good you guys.
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2008 6:26:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
>
> I feel left out (no N number).
> C-GISS
> s/n:1497
> 1965
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Members List with N-Numbers
> I thought I had one for you Don, but there was another N2707B S/N 207, not
> yours.
>
> In a message dated 7/29/2008 4:31:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> dongirod(at)bellsouth.net writes:
>
> Bert;
>
> How about my 560E, N2707B, serial # 555, I believe it is a 1957 model.
>
> Thanks, Don
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> BertBerry1(at)aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:17 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Members List with N-Numbers
>
>
> Good Morning,
>
>
> I recently downloaded several hundred newspaper articles regarding Aero
> Commanders. Most of these date back to the 50's. With the help of Barry
> Collman, we were able to ID most of them.
>
>
> If there is a list of Members with their N-numbers available I would be
> willing to share this info with you guys.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bert Berry
>
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
Nothing Roland
In a message dated 7/29/2008 7:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
amg3636(at)hotmail.com writes:
Straight 500 N6291b
ROLAND GILLIAM
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:03:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 69PT
Nothing for you either Donnie
In a message dated 7/29/2008 3:32:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com writes:
I'm 69PT, a 1964 500B+
Donnie Rose
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| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks very much for your trouble!!
Roland
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.comDate: Wed=2C 30 Jul 2008 15:10:17 -0400Subject: Re:
Commander-List: 69PTTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Nothing Roland
In a message dated 7/29/2008 7:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time=2C amg3636@
hotmail.com writes:
Straight 500 N6291b ROLAND GILLIAM
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.comDate: Tue=2C 29 Jul 2008 19:03:36 -0400Subject: Re:
Commander-List: 69PTTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Nothing for you either Donnie
In a message dated 7/29/2008 3:32:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time=2C aquadive
r99(at)yahoo.com writes:
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| From: | <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Members List with N-Numbers |
My understanding that copyright runs out (in the US) after 25 years
unless it is renewed, but if it is a concern, check with someone who has
legal experience before taking my word for it. (I'm a data architect,
not a lawyer.)
God bless,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Members List with N-Numbers
We're not selling them. If they complain, we remove them.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 12:16 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Members List with N-Numbers
That would a good idea, not sure about copy violations having them on
the web.
The other problems is they are in .pdf format and they are about 4-5
megs each.
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From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:55:00 +0000
To:
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Members List with N-Numbers
Bert,
How about us loading these articles onto the website?
About stories. Has anyone read the article about a (southern) state
senator (I believe it was a senator) who flew his Commander around
campaigning and had an incident taking off through some trees? It was
published in Pacific Flyer here in the Lef Coast. I'll try to get an
electronic copy of it from the publisher and put it on the website.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com [mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 02:02 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Members List with N-Numbers
Nothing for you either Dave,
But that is a good thing. That means it wasn't involved in
something you didn't know about.
Bert
In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:05:11 P.M. Central Daylight
Time, dave@phifer-sys.com writes:
<dave@phifer-sys.com>
Hello, Bert:
My 500B Commander is N801DP, used to be N12LW, N4HG and
originally N6165X
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| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Sorry I missed you, we left Los Angeles on Thursday, and I didn't get your
email. I saw only one other Commander there, a 500 from Oklahoma. He was
not aware of our group, so I gave him my card and hopefully he will contact
us, and join.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
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From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:46 PM
Subject: Commander-List: oshkosh
>
> i am going to oshkosh commercially this year without the commander. i
> will be in the aopa tent at noon on tuesday with the legal panel ready to
> answer any legal questions you might have and will discuss commanders if
> you like. my commander is n628ah and is a straight 500. allan hoffman
>
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
We loaded up our commander 500B and went, but landed in Madison to avoid
the insanity of Oshkosh TFR. Saw some other commanders at Fondulac. Great
show. I saw only one commander there as well. We plan to make OKC in Sept
bobf
500GW
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Moe-rosspistons wrote:
> moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
>
> Sorry I missed you, we left Los Angeles on Thursday, and I didn't get your
> email. I saw only one other Commander there, a 500 from Oklahoma. He was
> not aware of our group, so I gave him my card and hopefully he will contact
> us, and join.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680Fp
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:46 PM
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: oshkosh
>
>>
>> i am going to oshkosh commercially this year without the commander. i
>> will be in the aopa tent at noon on tuesday with the legal panel ready to
>> answer any legal questions you might have and will discuss commanders if you
>> like. my commander is n628ah and is a straight 500. allan hoffman
>>
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>>
>>
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| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Matt,
The Cessna profile is not the same as the Commander, but quite a few control
surfaces have been re-skinned using the Cessna material with an engineering
approval/337.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:21 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Elevator Skin
All-
We had a bad wind storm here in Delaware a few months back and the top skin
of my left elevator was slightly damaged near the outer leading edge. I've
searched around for a skin and/or replacement elevator, but little luck -
only skin I could find was rediculously priced. Complete new/salvage
elevator was cheaper!
PN for skin is: 5440000-216
PN for elevator assembly is: 5440000-401
Damage is minor - does FAA allow repairs to control surfaces these days, or
do I need to replace?
Is this top skin a standard aircraft section? Looks like the control
surface material on Cessnas. If so, my A&P should be able to buy a stock
sheet and replace?
Any other ideas?
Thanks,
Matt
N2760B
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| From: | "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss(at)GMAIL.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Elevator Skin |
BILL, 27 YEARS AGO I HAD TO REPLCE VERTICLE FIN SKIN ON A 680. WE
PURCHASED AUTHENTIC (FACTORY DIRECT) SKIN FROM ROCKWELL . IT WAS
HORIBLE, GROOVES WERE BADLY MISALIGNED. FINALLY MADE THE SKIN OURSELVE
(PROBABLY ILLEAGLE) AND INSTALLED USING 337. NEVER A PROBLEM, BUT LOTS
OF WORK.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Bill Hamilton
wrote:
>
> Matt,
> The Cessna profile is not the same as the Commander, but quite a few control
> surfaces have been re-skinned using the Cessna material with an engineering
> approval/337.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
> Hawkins
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:21 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Elevator Skin
>
>
>
> All-
>
> We had a bad wind storm here in Delaware a few months back and the top skin
> of my left elevator was slightly damaged near the outer leading edge. I've
> searched around for a skin and/or replacement elevator, but little luck -
> only skin I could find was rediculously priced. Complete new/salvage
> elevator was cheaper!
>
> PN for skin is: 5440000-216
> PN for elevator assembly is: 5440000-401
>
> Damage is minor - does FAA allow repairs to control surfaces these days, or
> do I need to replace?
>
> Is this top skin a standard aircraft section? Looks like the control
> surface material on Cessnas. If so, my A&P should be able to buy a stock
> sheet and replace?
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
> N2760B
>
>
--
LLOYD
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| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Lloyd,
You are right about the amount of work involved, I have actually made my own
press dies (one rib at a time) to duplicate the proper profile, it's a slow
old job ---- but---- using a steel male die, and an "oil filled nylon"
female, I can get a very good profile, with no marks at all on the surface
of the skin.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
SILVERMAN
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Elevator Skin
BILL, 27 YEARS AGO I HAD TO REPLCE VERTICLE FIN SKIN ON A 680. WE
PURCHASED AUTHENTIC (FACTORY DIRECT) SKIN FROM ROCKWELL . IT WAS
HORIBLE, GROOVES WERE BADLY MISALIGNED. FINALLY MADE THE SKIN OURSELVE
(PROBABLY ILLEAGLE) AND INSTALLED USING 337. NEVER A PROBLEM, BUT LOTS
OF WORK.
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:46 AM, Bill Hamilton
wrote:
>
> Matt,
> The Cessna profile is not the same as the Commander, but quite a few
control
> surfaces have been re-skinned using the Cessna material with an
engineering
> approval/337.
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
>
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> ------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
> Hawkins
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:21 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Elevator Skin
>
>
>
> All-
>
> We had a bad wind storm here in Delaware a few months back and the top
skin
> of my left elevator was slightly damaged near the outer leading edge.
I've
> searched around for a skin and/or replacement elevator, but little luck -
> only skin I could find was rediculously priced. Complete new/salvage
> elevator was cheaper!
>
> PN for skin is: 5440000-216
> PN for elevator assembly is: 5440000-401
>
> Damage is minor - does FAA allow repairs to control surfaces these days,
or
> do I need to replace?
>
> Is this top skin a standard aircraft section? Looks like the control
> surface material on Cessnas. If so, my A&P should be able to buy a stock
> sheet and replace?
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
> N2760B
>
>
--
LLOYD
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| From: | "Matthew J. Hawkins" <hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu> |
Thanks, Bill - that can be out fall back plan. Just got a lead on some skins so
will follow up on that first. Nice to have a plan "B" though!
Matt
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton [wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:46 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Elevator Skin
Matt,
The Cessna profile is not the same as the Commander, but quite a few control
surfaces have been re-skinned using the Cessna material with an engineering
approval/337.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:21 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Elevator Skin
All-
We had a bad wind storm here in Delaware a few months back and the top skin
of my left elevator was slightly damaged near the outer leading edge. I've
searched around for a skin and/or replacement elevator, but little luck -
only skin I could find was rediculously priced. Complete new/salvage
elevator was cheaper!
PN for skin is: 5440000-216
PN for elevator assembly is: 5440000-401
Damage is minor - does FAA allow repairs to control surfaces these days, or
do I need to replace?
Is this top skin a standard aircraft section? Looks like the control
surface material on Cessnas. If so, my A&P should be able to buy a stock
sheet and replace?
Any other ideas?
Thanks,
Matt
N2760B
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| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello everyone=2C long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed the
opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to acquire
one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way to lock my
airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?
Thanks in advance.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
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| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Octavio,
I don't really want to broadcast this to a wide audience, but most Commander
owners already know this:=C2- Unless the lock has been changed previously
, any Commander or AeroStar key will work on any of the original locks.
If you're uncomfortable with that, do not buy another Aero Commander or Aero
Star door handle.=C2- Have a lock smith re-key your existing handle.
Saludos,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 3:57 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed the op
portunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to acquire one
with working key=C2-since I missed my keys and there is no way to lock my
airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?
=C2-
Thanks in advance.
=C2-
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
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r=C3=ADa fotogr=C3=A1fica de Windows Live
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| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was told
it was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you cannot
find one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key made for
you.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way
to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this
problem?
Thanks in advance.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
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8/6/2008 4:55 PM
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Don-
I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studabaker key stud
that
was used=85
They work fine on mine=85
Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few
made=85
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was told
it
was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you cannot find
one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key made for you.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval <mailto:tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
the
opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
acquire
one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way to lock
my
airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?
Thanks in advance.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Evening Robert,
I don't know much about Aero Commanders, but in the days of the Douglas
DC-3, all of the UAL ones used the same key. It was called the 100 key. I
was
told that every DC-3 built had the same key, but that may not have been tru
e. I
do know that all of ours used that one key. That key also unlocked almost
any door on any building that UAL wanted locked including the door on the
Stewardess "doghouse". And don't ask me how I know it worked!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:44:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:
Don-
I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studebaker key stud that
was used
They work fine on mine
Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few made
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Robert;
That is what I have been told and also what Commander Gordon says. Have
a friend that has a Widgeon and he had Aero Star door handles put on it
and my key worked great, in fact as I recall, he confiscated mine!
If Octavio needs one, that might be good, as I would have to go out and
get a copy made. But it is interesting, the locksmith told me it was an
OLD Chrysler blank, course it could have been used for both Chrysler and
Studabaker, or he could have been confused!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Door Handle
Don-
I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studabaker key stud
that was used.
They work fine on mine.
Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few
made.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:31 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was
told it was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you
cannot find one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key
made for you.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just
missed the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really
like to acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is
no way to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve
this problem?
Thanks in advance.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I heard this too so my locksmith changed that.
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was
told it was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you
cannot find one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key
made for you.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just
missed the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really
like to acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is
no way to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve
this problem?
Thanks in advance.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I just removed the lock and had a locksmith make a key.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way
to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this
problem?
Thanks in advance.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
Mexico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Commander-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/06/08 |
Thank you very much guys maybe I will have to bother one of you with a copy
of that key. Sometimes in Mexico is difficult to find anything. I visited
a locksmith already and he told me that he was unable to re-key the handle
=2C that he couldn't find a key that fit. That surprised me because he is a
n experienced man that has been in the business for decades=3B we used to f
ly RC together. I will tell him about the chrysler and the stud and see if
he can do something.
As always you have been very helpful.
Thank you very much.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
MEXICO> Date: Wed=2C 6 Aug 2008 23:55:46 -0700> From: commander-list@matron
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-----------> > 1. 03:59 PM - Door Handle (Octavio viveros sandoval)> 2. 04:
09 PM - Re: Door Handle (capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com)> 3. 06:33 PM - Re: Door
Handle (Keith S. Gordon)> 4. 06:33 PM - Re: Door Handle (Don)> 5. 08:43 PM
- Re: Door Handle (Robert S. Randazzo)> 6. 08:54 PM - Re: Door Handle (Bob
sV35B(at)aol.com)> 7. 09:16 PM - Re: Door Handle (Don)> 8. 09:32 PM - Re: Door
Handle (Tom Fisher)> 9. 09:32 PM - Re: Door Handle (Tom Fisher)> > > > ___
_____________________________ Message 1 ___________________________________
os(at)hotmail.com>> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle> > > Hello everyone
=2C long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed the> opportunit
y to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to acquire > one with
working key since I missed my keys and there is no way to lock my > airplan
e. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?> > Thanks in adv
ance.> > Octavio Viveros> XB-KSK> Mexico> _________________________________
________________________________> Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por M
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-List: Door Handle> From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>> > > Octav
io=2C> > I don't really want to broadcast this to a wide audience=2C but mo
st Commander> owners already know this:=C2- Unless the lock has been chan
ged previously> =2C any Commander or AeroStar key will work on any of the o
riginal locks.> > If you're uncomfortable with that=2C do not buy another A
ero Commander or Aero> Star door handle.=C2- Have a lock smith re-key you
r existing handle.> > Saludos=2C> > Wing Commander Gordon> > > Life is not
simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.> > > -----Original Message----
-> From: Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com>> Sent: Wed=2C 6
Aug 2008 3:57 pm> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle> > > Hello everyone
=2C long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed the op> portunity
to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to acquire one > with w
orking key=C2-since I missed my keys and there is no way to lock my > air
plane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?> > =C2-> >
Thanks in advance.> > =C2-> > Octavio Viveros> > XB-KSK> > Mexico> > >
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________________ Message 4 _____________________________________> > > Time:
mander-List: Door Handle> > It is my understanding that all Commanders use
the same key. I was told > it was an old Chrysler blank=2C but I have had s
ome made. If you cannot > find one=2C let me know and I will try and get a
copy of the key made for > you.> > Don> ----- Original Message ----- > From
: Octavio viveros sandoval > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wedne
sday=2C August 06=2C 2008 6:57 PM> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle> >
> Hello everyone=2C long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed >
the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to > ac
quire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way > to
lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this > problem?
> > Thanks in advance.> > Octavio Viveros> XB-KSK> Mexico> > > ------------
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ndazzo" > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Doo
r Handle> > Don-> > > I just had some made- and they determined it was a St
udabaker key stud > that> was used=85> > > They work fine on mine=85> >
> Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few > mad
e=85> > > Robert S. Randazzo> > N414C> > > From: owner-commander-list-ser
ver(at)matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Be
half Of Don> Sent: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 6:31 PM> Subject: Re: Com
mander-List: Door Handle> > > It is my understanding that all Commanders us
e the same key. I was told > it> was an old Chrysler blank=2C but I have ha
d some made. If you cannot find> one=2C let me know and I will try and get
a copy of the key made for you.> > > Don> > ----- Original Message ----- >
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval <mailto:tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> > > > Sen
t: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 6:57 PM> > Subject: Commander-List: Door
Handle> > > Hello everyone=2C long time without posting on my behalf. I jus
t missed > the> opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really l
ike to > acquire> one with working key since I missed my keys and there is
no way to lock > my> airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve th
is problem?> > Thanks in advance.> > Octavio Viveros> XB-KSK> Mexico> > > _
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m> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle> > Good Evening Robert=2C> > I
don't know much about Aero Commanders=2C but in the days of the Douglas > D
C-3=2C all of the UAL ones used the same key. It was called the 100 key. I
> was > told that every DC-3 built had the same key=2C but that may not hav
e been tru> e. I > do know that all of ours used that one key. That key als
o unlocked almost > any door on any building that UAL wanted locked includi
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worked!> > Happy Skies=2C> > Old Bob> AKA> Bob Siegfried> Ancient Aviator>
628 West 86th Street> Downers Grove=2C IL 60516> 630 985-8502 > Stearman N3
977A> Brookeridge Air Park LL22> > > In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:44:29 P
.M. Central Daylight Time=2C > rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:> > D
on- > I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studebaker key stu
d that> > was used > They work fine on mine > Are all the locks the same? I
can send one also- I had quite a few made> > Robert S. Randazzo > N414C> >
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________ Message 7 _____________________________________> > > Time: 09:16:1
ist: Door Handle> > Robert=3B> > That is what I have been told and also wha
t Commander Gordon says. Have > a friend that has a Widgeon and he had Aero
Star door handles put on it > and my key worked great=2C in fact as I reca
ll=2C he confiscated mine!> > If Octavio needs one=2C that might be good=2C
as I would have to go out and > get a copy made. But it is interesting=2C
the locksmith told me it was an > OLD Chrysler blank=2C course it could hav
e been used for both Chrysler and > Studabaker=2C or he could have been con
fused!> > Don> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert S. Randazzo > To
: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 11:42
PM> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Door Handle> > > Don-> > > > I just had s
ome made- and they determined it was a Studabaker key stud > that was used.
> > > > They work fine on mine.> > > > Are all the locks the same? I can se
nd one also- I had quite a few > made.> > > > Robert S. Randazzo> > N414C>
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-comma
nder-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don> Sent: Wednesday=2C August
06=2C 2008 6:31 PM> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Command
er-List: Door Handle> > > > It is my understanding that all Commanders use
the same key. I was > told it was an old Chrysler blank=2C but I have had s
ome made. If you > cannot find one=2C let me know and I will try and get a
copy of the key > made for you.> > > > Don> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Octavio viveros sandoval > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >
Sent: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 6:57 PM> > Subject: Commander-List: D
oor Handle> > > > Hello everyone=2C long time without posting on my behalf.
I just > missed the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would rea
lly > like to acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there
is > no way to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve
> this problem?> > Thanks in advance.> > Octavio Viveros> XB-KSK> Mexico>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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----- > From: Don > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday=2C
August 06=2C 2008 6:30 PM> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle> > > It
is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was > told it
was an old Chrysler blank=2C but I have had some made. If you > cannot find
one=2C let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key > made for you
.> > Don> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Octavio viveros sandoval > T
o: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 6:57
PM> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle> > > Hello everyone=2C long time
without posting on my behalf. I just > missed the opportunity to buy a door
handle on E-bay. I would really > like to acquire one with working key sin
ce I missed my keys and there is > no way to lock my airplane. Does anybody
have an idea how can I solve > this problem?> > Thanks in advance.> > Octa
vio Viveros> XB-KSK> Mexico> > > ------------------------------------------
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> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle>
> I just removed the lock and had a locksmith make a key.> Tom> C-GISS> ---
-- Original Message ----- > From: Octavio viveros sandoval > To: commander-
list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday=2C August 06=2C 2008 3:57 PM> Subject:
Commander-List: Door Handle> > > Hello everyone=2C long time without posti
ng on my behalf. I just missed > the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-
bay. I would really like to > acquire one with working key since I missed m
y keys and there is no way > to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea
how can I solve this > problem?> > Thanks in advance.> > Octavio Viveros>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | RE: Commander-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/06/08 |
Ted Smith must have liked Chrysler, the paint colors on the original
logo
were Chrysler or Plymouth that is if my memory is right.
Jim Add
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Octavio
viveros sandoval
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/06/08
Thank you very much guys maybe I will have to bother one of you with a
copy
of that key. Sometimes in Mexico is difficult to find anything. I
visited a
locksmith already and he told me that he was unable to re-key the
handle,
that he couldn't find a key that fit. That surprised me because he is an
experienced man that has been in the business for decades; we used to
fly RC
together. I will tell him about the chrysler and the stud and see if he
can
do something.
As always you have been very helpful.
Thank you very much.
Octavio Viveros
XB-KSK
MEXICO
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:55:46 -0700
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> 1. 03:59 PM - Door Handle (Octavio viveros sandoval)
> 2. 04:09 PM - Re: Door Handle (capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com)
> 3. 06:33 PM - Re: Door Handle (Keith S. Gordon)
> 4. 06:33 PM - Re: Door Handle (Don)
> 5. 08:43 PM - Re: Door Handle (Robert S. Randazzo)
> 6. 08:54 PM - Re: Door Handle (BobsV35B(at)aol.com)
> 7. 09:16 PM - Re: Door Handle (Don)
> 8. 09:32 PM - Re: Door Handle (Tom Fisher)
> 9. 09:32 PM - Re: Door Handle (Tom Fisher)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Hello everyone=2C long time without posting on my behalf. I just
missed
the
> opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
acquire
> one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way to
lock my
> airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Octavio Viveros
> XB-KSK
> Mexico
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> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
> From: capnspray_611(at)hotmail.com
>
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> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
> From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
>
>
> Octavio,
>
> I don't really want to broadcast this to a wide audience, but most
Commander
> owners already know this:=C2- Unless the lock has been changed
previously
> , any Commander or AeroStar key will work on any of the original
locks.
>
> If you're uncomfortable with that, do not buy another Aero Commander
or
Aero
> Star door handle.=C2- Have a lock smith re-key your existing handle.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 3:57 pm
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
the
op
> portunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
acquire
one
> with working key=C2-since I missed my keys and there is no way to
lock my
> airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?
>
> =C2-
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> =C2-
>
> Octavio Viveros
>
> XB-KSK
>
> Mexico
>
>
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llama Gale
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>
> From: "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
> It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was
told
> it was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you cannot
> find one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key made
for
> you.
>
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
> the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
> acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no
way
> to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this
> problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Octavio Viveros
> XB-KSK
> Mexico
>
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
> Don-
>
>
> I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studabaker key stud
> that
> was used=85
>
>
> They work fine on mine=85
>
>
> Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few
> made=85
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> N414C
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was
told
> it
> was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you cannot
find
> one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key made for
you.
>
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval <mailto:tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com>
>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
> the
> opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
> acquire
> one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no way to
lock
> my
> airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Octavio Viveros
> XB-KSK
> Mexico
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
> Good Evening Robert,
>
> I don't know much about Aero Commanders, but in the days of the
Douglas
> DC-3, all of the UAL ones used the same key. It was called the 100
key. I
> was
> told that every DC-3 built had the same key, but that may not have
been
tru
> e. I
> do know that all of ours used that one key. That key also unlocked
almost
> any door on any building that UAL wanted locked including the door on
the
> Stewardess "doghouse". And don't ask me how I know it worked!
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
> AKA
> Bob Siegfried
> Ancient Aviator
> 628 West 86th Street
> Downers Grove, IL 60516
> 630 985-8502
> Stearman N3977A
> Brookeridge Air Park LL22
>
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:44:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:
>
> Don-
> I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studebaker key stud
that
>
> was used
> They work fine on mine
> Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few
made
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> N414C
>
>
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>
>
> From: "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
> Robert;
>
> That is what I have been told and also what Commander Gordon says.
Have
> a friend that has a Widgeon and he had Aero Star door handles put on
it
> and my key worked great, in fact as I recall, he confiscated mine!
>
> If Octavio needs one, that might be good, as I would have to go out
and
> get a copy made. But it is interesting, the locksmith told me it was
an
> OLD Chrysler blank, course it could have been used for both Chrysler
and
> Studabaker, or he could have been confused!
>
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert S. Randazzo
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:42 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Don-
>
>
>
> I just had some made- and they determined it was a Studabaker key stud
> that was used.
>
>
>
> They work fine on mine.
>
>
>
> Are all the locks the same? I can send one also- I had quite a few
> made.
>
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> N414C
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:31 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
>
> It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was
> told it was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you
> cannot find one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key
> made for you.
>
>
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval
>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
>
> Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just
> missed the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really
> like to acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there
is
> no way to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve
> this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Octavio Viveros
> XB-KSK
> Mexico
>
>
>
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>
>
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
> I heard this too so my locksmith changed that.
> C-GISS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> It is my understanding that all Commanders use the same key. I was
> told it was an old Chrysler blank, but I have had some made. If you
> cannot find one, let me know and I will try and get a copy of the key
> made for you.
>
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:57 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just
> missed the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really
> like to acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there
is
> no way to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve
> this problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Octavio Viveros
> XB-KSK
> Mexico
>
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
> I just removed the lock and had a locksmith make a key.
> Tom
> C-GISS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Octavio viveros sandoval
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:57 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Door Handle
>
>
> Hello everyone, long time without posting on my behalf. I just missed
> the opportunity to buy a door handle on E-bay. I would really like to
> acquire one with working key since I missed my keys and there is no
way
> to lock my airplane. Does anybody have an idea how can I solve this
> problem?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Octavio Viveros
> XB-KSK
> Mexico
>
>
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| Subject: | items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
Guys I am cleaning out the hangar & have two items if anyone is interested...
1) Pesco hydrolic pump in good working order for model 560E.
2) Aircraft covers hand made from ripstop or a tent like material for both tops
of wings, both tops of horizontal stabilizers, nose/windshield front door in
nice shape model 500B
Anyone interested make offer...
Thanks guys...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197270#197270
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | items for sale...500B / 560E |
bm=2C would be interested in the covers. pls call mason 817-517-4977 tnx
gmc
> Subject: Commander-List: items for sale...500B / 560E> From: aerocommande
r-560e(at)comcast.net> Date: Thu=2C 7 Aug 2008 21:38:33 -0700> To: commander-l
omcast.net" > > Guys I am cleaning out the
hangar & have two items if anyone is interested...> > 1) Pesco hydrolic pum
p in good working order for model 560E.> > 2) Aircraft covers hand made fro
m ripstop or a tent like material for both tops of wings=2C both tops of ho
rizontal stabilizers=2C nose/windshield front door in nice shape model 500B
> > Anyone interested make offer...> > Thanks guys...> > > > > Read this to
pic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197270#19
==============> > >
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | AC 23-27 material and parts subsitution for vintage aircraft |
I may have missed this but we only have until the 13th of this month to com
ment on this.- It seems very positive to me.- Go to http://www.faa.gov/
aircraft/draft_docs/display_docs/index.cfm?Doc_Type=AC- and scroll down
to AC 23-27 to make a comment--hopefully positive.
-
dan f=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | items for sale...500B / 560E |
Bm, I would be interested in the covers, do you want to put a price on them.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: items for sale...500B / 560E
bm, would be interested in the covers. pls call mason 817-517-4977 tnx gmc
_____
> Subject: Commander-List: items for sale...500B / 560E
> From: aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net
> Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:38:33 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Guys I am cleaning out the hangar & have two items if anyone is
interested...
>
> 1) Pesco hydrolic pump in good working order for model 560E.
>
> 2) Aircraft covers hand made from ripstop or a tent like material for both
tops of wings, both tops of horizontal stabilizers, nose/windshield front
door in nice shape model 500B
>
> Anyone interested make offer...
>
> Thanks guys...
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197270#197270
>
>
>
>
>
>
&g===============
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
Guys & Gals
Hello, one more thing available is a set of triple guages...
1) Aircraft cover
2) Pesco 1P349P Hydrolic Pump
3) one set triple guages
$1500 + S&H
Thanks...
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197771#197771
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| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
Hello,
Left phone message...
Thanks...
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197773#197773
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| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
how much for just the gauges??? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: brent-mueller(at)comcast.net <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 2:15 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: items for sale...500B / 560E
Guys & Gals
Hello, one more thing available is a set of triple guages...
1) Aircraft cover
2) Pesco 1P349P Hydrolic Pump
3) one set triple guages
$1500 + S&H
Thanks...
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197771#197771
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| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net |
I'll take all 3!
------Original Message------
From: brent-mueller(at)comcast.net
Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Aug 10, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: items for sale...500B / 560E
Guys & Gals
Hello, one more thing available is a set of triple guages...
1) Aircraft cover
2) Pesco 1P349P Hydrolic Pump
3) one set triple guages
$1500 + S&H
Thanks...
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197771#197771
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
dual needle EGT guage?
bobf
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:15 PM, brent-mueller(at)comcast.net <
aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> wrote:
> aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net>
>
> Guys & Gals
>
> Hello, one more thing available is a set of triple guages...
>
> 1) Aircraft cover
> 2) Pesco 1P349P Hydrolic Pump
> 3) one set triple guages
>
> $1500 + S&H
>
> Thanks...
> Brent
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197771#197771
>
>
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| From: | skyhawkc-172(at)comcast.net |
| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
Hello, You got em...
I'll check with UPS or Fed-EX, how soon do you need them, and whats your zip to
check S&H?
Please send funds to:
Thank You...
Take Care,
Brent Mueller
1831 111th Ave. NE
Blaine, MN 55449-5363
-------------- Original message --------------
From: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net
>
> I'll take all 3!
> ------Original Message------
> From: brent-mueller(at)comcast.net
> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Aug 10, 2008 2:15 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: items for sale...500B / 560E
>
>
>
> Guys & Gals
>
> Hello, one more thing available is a set of triple guages...
>
> 1) Aircraft cover
> 2) Pesco 1P349P Hydrolic Pump
> 3) one set triple guages
>
> $1500 + S&H
>
> Thanks...
> Brent
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197771#197771
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
>
>
Hello, You got em...
I'll check with UPS or Fed-EX, how soon do you need them, and whats your zip
to check S&H?
Please send funds to:
Thank You...
Take Care,
Brent Mueller
1831 111th Ave. NE
Blaine, MN 55449-5363
> --> Commander-List message posted by: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net
>
> I'll take all 3!
> ------Original Message------
<BR>> From: brent-mueller(at)comcast.net <BR>> Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Aug 10, 2008 2:15 PM
>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: items for sale...500B / 560E
>
>
--> Commander-List message posted by: "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net"
>
>
> Guys & Gals
>
> Hello, one more thing available is a set of triple guages...
>
> 1) Aircraft cover
> 2) Pesco 1P349P Hydrolic Pump
>
3) one set triple guages
>
> $1500 + S&
amp;H
t; htt
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| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
craigk391(at)sbcglobal.ne
You got em...
1) whats your zip so as to check S&H?
2) do you want over-nited or standard S&H
3) My address:
Brent Mueller
1831 111th Ave. NE
Blaine, MN 55449-5363
Thanks,
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197834#197834
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| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
Oooops...I replied twice.
Haveing a senior moment...
JB if able, could you remove my skyhawk address I rarely use it, but still enjoy
reading the posts from my other email address brent-mueller(at)comcast.net
Thanks everyone for your interest...
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197836#197836
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| Subject: | Another one bites the dust |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Another one bites the dust. Probably some good parts here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Vehicles-Trailers_Aircraft__PARTS-680-AEROCOMANDER-COMPLETE-SUPER-CHEAP_W0QQitemZ110278167591QQddnZOtherQ20VehiclesQ20Q26Q20TrailersQQadnZAircraftQQddiZ2828QQadiZ2829QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110278167591&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198007#198007
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| From: | "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Another one bites the dust |
Gentlemen:
I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has
become
intermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get the
light
to stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing this to
occur.
Our local shop looked at this but has not been able to run down the
problem.
As always, I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll can provide on the
subject.
I am learning as I go along.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Another one bites the dust |
dirty micro switch till proven otherwise - are your bungee cords fresh?
bobf
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tommy Mathieu wrote:
> Gentlemen:
>
> I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has become
> intermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get the light
> to stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing this to occur.
> Our local shop looked at this but has not been able to run down the problem.
> As always, I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll can provide on the subject.
> I am learning as I go along.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tommy Mathieu
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I have a new snag, when I push the Volt/Amp button the needle goes left
instead of displaying the Volts.
Both Alternators are still putting out Voltage so it might be just the
gauge.
Any opinions?
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust
dirty micro switch till proven otherwise - are your bungee cords
fresh?
bobf
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tommy Mathieu
wrote:
Gentlemen:
I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has
become intermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get
the light to stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing
this to occur. Our local shop looked at this but has not been able to
run down the problem. As always, I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll
can provide on the subject. I am learning as I go along.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | mike floyd <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> |
Voltmeter fuse in the fuse block mounted in the master power panel has a lo
ose clip that holds the fuse in place.
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject:
Commander-List: Volt/Amp meterDate: Tue=2C 12 Aug 2008 09:38:31 -0700
I have a new snag=2C when I push the Volt/Amp button the needle goes left i
nstead of displaying the Volts.
Both Alternators are still putting out Voltage so it might be just the gaug
e.
Any opinions?
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
Sent: Tuesday=2C August 12=2C 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust
dirty micro switch till proven otherwise - are your bungee cords fresh?bobf
On Tue=2C Aug 12=2C 2008 at 9:26 AM=2C Tommy Mathieu wro
te:
Gentlemen:
I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has become i
ntermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get the light t
o stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing this to occur. Ou
r local shop looked at this but has not been able to run down the problem.
As always=2C I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll can provide on the subje
ct. I am learning as I go along.
Sincerely=2C
Tommy Mathieu
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| From: | KenWHyde(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 500S Pilot Door Placard |
Gentlemen!
Anyone know where I can find the 2.5" X 3.5 pilot door placard from the El
Cid interior that warns not to open cockpit door with the engine running???
They lost mine during rework...now I just have 4 screw holes in pilot door
interior panel.
Thanks,
Ken Hyde
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Volt/Amp meter |
Wow, what service and pointed too!
I'll check it out, thanks ever so much.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: mike floyd
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Volt/Amp meter
Voltmeter fuse in the fuse block mounted in the master power panel has
a loose clip that holds the fuse in place.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Volt/Amp meter
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:38:31 -0700
I have a new snag, when I push the Volt/Amp button the needle goes
left instead of displaying the Volts.
Both Alternators are still putting out Voltage so it might be just the
gauge.
Any opinions?
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust
dirty micro switch till proven otherwise - are your bungee cords
fresh?
bobf
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tommy Mathieu
wrote:
Gentlemen:
I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has
become intermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get
the light to stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing
this to occur. Our local shop looked at this but has not been able to
run down the problem. As always, I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll
can provide on the subject. I am learning as I go along.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
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| From: | "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Another one bites the dust |
My 560 has a similar problem - on the 560 gear the micro switch is
triggered by the down lock plunger gets gummed up with hydraulic fluid.
It eventually makes contact but on a delayed basis. All I've done is
clean it (replaced the metal diving board that activates the
micro-switch once) and it works just fine.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust
dirty micro switch till proven otherwise - are your bungee cords
fresh?
bobf
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tommy Mathieu
wrote:
Gentlemen:
I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has
become intermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get
the light to stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing
this to occur. Our local shop looked at this but has not been able to
run down the problem. As always, I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll
can provide on the subject. I am learning as I go along.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lloyd SILVERMAN" <lloydsss(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 500S Pilot Door Placard |
G&M nameplate co. in new rochelle,NY can make one for you. phone # 914 576 0408
On 8/12/08, KenWHyde(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Gentlemen!
>
> Anyone know where I can find the 2.5" X 3.5 pilot door placard from the El
> Cid interior that warns not to open cockpit door with the engine running???
> They lost mine during rework...now I just have 4 screw holes in pilot door
> interior panel.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken Hyde
>
>
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
The Fly-In is just around the corner and we're sure getting excited to see everyone.?
Just want to remind everyone that the deadline for getting the group rate
at the Marriott is August 28th so be sure to make your reservations.? Also
be sure to register with us for the Fly-In so we can give the caterers the proper
headcount.?
See You in Oklahoma City!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hi Jim,
I still want to make it to the fly-in, but I've had a rough start to my
week. Morris found that the case on my right engine is cracked...pretty
badly. So I have no airplane for the moment. Sadly this is my "new"
engine (800hrs. TTSO).
I'll know more by next week, in time to make the deadline.
Cheers,
/John
yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> The Fly-In is just around the corner and we're sure getting excited to
> see everyone. Just want to remind everyone that the deadline for
> getting the group rate at the Marriott is August 28th so be sure to
> make your reservations. Also be sure to register with us for the
> Fly-In so we can give the caterers the proper headcount.
>
> See You in Oklahoma City!!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that
> make the grade on AOL Shopping
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>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
John,
Sorry to hear about your engine. Believe me, I feel your pain. As you
know, my engines made it to 700 hours. Hope that you will be back in the
air soon.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
Hi Jim,
I still want to make it to the fly-in, but I've had a rough start to my
week. Morris found that the case on my right engine is cracked...pretty
badly. So I have no airplane for the moment. Sadly this is my "new"
engine (800hrs. TTSO).
I'll know more by next week, in time to make the deadline.
Cheers,
/John
yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> The Fly-In is just around the corner and we're sure getting excited to
> see everyone. Just want to remind everyone that the deadline for
> getting the group rate at the Marriott is August 28th so be sure to
> make your reservations. Also be sure to register with us for the
> Fly-In so we can give the caterers the proper headcount.
>
> See You in Oklahoma City!!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that
> make the grade on AOL Shopping
> <http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007>.
> *
>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Ouch.....
Narrow case engine? Those cases are starting to get tough to find?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I still want to make it to the fly-in, but I've had a rough start to my
> week. Morris found that the case on my right engine is cracked...pretty
> badly. So I have no airplane for the moment. Sadly this is my "new"
> engine (800hrs. TTSO).
>
> I'll know more by next week, in time to make the deadline.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /John
>
> yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> The Fly-In is just around the corner and we're sure getting excited to
>> see everyone. Just want to remind everyone that the deadline for
>> getting the group rate at the Marriott is August 28th so be sure to
>> make your reservations. Also be sure to register with us for the
>> Fly-In so we can give the caterers the proper headcount.
>>
>> See You in Oklahoma City!!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that
>> make the grade on AOL Shopping
>> <http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007>.
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines. What
say you, Dan Farmer? I remember I liked the way your airplane flew!
/John
Steve at Col-East wrote:
>
>
> Ouch.....
>
> Narrow case engine? Those cases are starting to get tough to find?
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:30 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
>
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I still want to make it to the fly-in, but I've had a rough start to
>> my week. Morris found that the case on my right engine is
>> cracked...pretty badly. So I have no airplane for the moment. Sadly
>> this is my "new" engine (800hrs. TTSO).
>>
>> I'll know more by next week, in time to make the deadline.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> /John
>>
>> yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> The Fly-In is just around the corner and we're sure getting excited
>>> to see everyone. Just want to remind everyone that the deadline for
>>> getting the group rate at the Marriott is August 28th so be sure to
>>> make your reservations. Also be sure to register with us for the
>>> Fly-In so we can give the caterers the proper headcount.
>>> See You in Oklahoma City!!
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets
>>> that make the grade on AOL Shopping
>>> <http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007>.
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>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
John Vormbaum wrote:
>
> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and is
going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good engine
too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I haven't seen it,
but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case repairs and they
really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity, have you had your
engines/props balanced? A really smoothly balanced engine will have a
lot fewer problems with case cracks and fretting.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Chris,
John Towner also recommended Divco. I'll check them out.
The case is probably repairable; it's just that we have to split it,
which means new bearings, and then why not top it.....but then why not
just do a complete overhaul? And if I'm going to pay for that and my
other engine is past TBO, why not get the wide decks?
I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is good.
If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could be. My
other engine has >1,600 SMOH and runs like a swiss watch. I just have a
good engine on that side. This engine has ~800 hours and has been
responsible for 70% of my engine difficulties in the near decade I've
owned my airplane.
/J
Chris wrote:
>
> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>
>> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
>
> Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and is
> going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
> certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good
> engine too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I haven't
> seen it, but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case repairs
> and they really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity, have you had
> your engines/props balanced? A really smoothly balanced engine will
> have a lot fewer problems with case cracks and fretting.
>
>
> chris
>
>
> .
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
I think we'd second or third Divco.
Sure as heck not an 'authority', but a couple sweet running narrow case
engines have started wearing the cam lobes that are pulling double duty,
somewhere around >1750 or so for us.
Guess I'm geeky enough to be real interested in a teardown report on both
your good and bad mill.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
> Chris,
>
> John Towner also recommended Divco. I'll check them out.
>
> The case is probably repairable; it's just that we have to split it, which
> means new bearings, and then why not top it.....but then why not just do a
> complete overhaul? And if I'm going to pay for that and my other engine is
> past TBO, why not get the wide decks?
>
> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case cracks
> are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is good. If it
> does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could be. My other
> engine has >1,600 SMOH and runs like a swiss watch. I just have a good
> engine on that side. This engine has ~800 hours and has been responsible
> for 70% of my engine difficulties in the near decade I've owned my
> airplane.
>
> /J
>
> Chris wrote:
>>
>> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
>>
>> Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and is
>> going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
>> certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good engine
>> too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I haven't seen it,
>> but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case repairs and they
>> really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity, have you had your
>> engines/props balanced? A really smoothly balanced engine will have a
>> lot fewer problems with case cracks and fretting.
>>
>>
>> chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Steve, I'll share what I find with the group.
/John
Steve at Col-East wrote:
>
>
> I think we'd second or third Divco.
>
> Sure as heck not an 'authority', but a couple sweet running narrow
> case engines have started wearing the cam lobes that are pulling
> double duty, somewhere around >1750 or so for us.
>
> Guess I'm geeky enough to be real interested in a teardown report on
> both your good and bad mill.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
>
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> John Towner also recommended Divco. I'll check them out.
>>
>> The case is probably repairable; it's just that we have to split it,
>> which means new bearings, and then why not top it.....but then why
>> not just do a complete overhaul? And if I'm going to pay for that and
>> my other engine is past TBO, why not get the wide decks?
>>
>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could
>> be. My other engine has >1,600 SMOH and runs like a swiss watch. I
>> just have a good engine on that side. This engine has ~800 hours and
>> has been responsible for 70% of my engine difficulties in the near
>> decade I've owned my airplane.
>>
>> /J
>>
>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and
>>> is going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
>>> certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good
>>> engine too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I
>>> haven't seen it, but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case
>>> repairs and they really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity,
>>> have you had your engines/props balanced? A really smoothly
>>> balanced engine will have a lot fewer problems with case cracks and
>>> fretting.
>>>
>>>
>>> chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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N-6819-Q (680)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could
>> be.
There are some pretty significant quality differences between a typical
field overhaul and one done by a true expert. A precision builder will
match the con rod weights then balance both the big and small ends.
Carefully matched counterweights with good, true bushings will help
significantly as well. The crank can be spin balanced with
counterweights in place for a final bottom end check. A really careful
builder will sort through many new pistons to find parts that are
closely matched, then install them opposite of each other. If all of
these steps are taken, you'll have an incredibly smooth engine that will
be highly unlikely to develop cracks. Accessory, instrument, and
airframe problems associated with vibration are all also minimized.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as science!
Chris wrote:
>
>
>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it
>>> could be.
>
> There are some pretty significant quality differences between a
> typical field overhaul and one done by a true expert. A precision
> builder will match the con rod weights then balance both the big and
> small ends. Carefully matched counterweights with good, true bushings
> will help significantly as well. The crank can be spin balanced with
> counterweights in place for a final bottom end check. A really
> careful builder will sort through many new pistons to find parts that
> are closely matched, then install them opposite of each other. If all
> of these steps are taken, you'll have an incredibly smooth engine that
> will be highly unlikely to develop cracks. Accessory, instrument,
> and airframe problems associated with vibration are all also minimized.
> chris
>
>
> .
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
John Vormbaum wrote:
>
> Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as science!
There's a little art for sure - but quality and experience are key. Any
turkey with a toolbox and a manual can bolt one together that will run,
but a craftsman can build an engine that will run to TBO and beyond
without needing to be touched. When you have your engines done, go with
a quality builder and I'd strongly suggest factory new cylinders.
Factory Lyc jugs are good for a trouble-free TBO run. By the time
they've accumulated 2000hrs, they almost all have significant metal
fatigue and a good inspection will usually find small cracks beginning
to form. Sure, they can be welded up and re-worked, but it's unlikely
that you'll have another reliable run to TBO. Out of my 12 cylinders
with 2000 hrs since new, we found cracks in 10 of them at teardown.
I'll let someone else re-use them then have to top one or two every few
hundred hours. Spend a few minutes looking at trade-a-plane to prove my
point. You'll find tons of 800 SMOH, 200 STOP engines out there.
ya tend to get what you pay for.....
chris
or.... "it all depends".... :-)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
John, I
If you have not gone through an engine shop you should see one.
Victor Engines right on the Palo Alto shop is a very high end engine
shop. Get them to give you a tour.
It is an experience.
They do not have a tolerance on weight of parts. They will go thought
a bunch of pistons to match 6 just alike.
Same goes for piston rods, and other things.
I went through their shop over 10 years ago.
I understand Lyc has roller cam lifters now.
Tylor Hall
On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:11 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>
> Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as
> science!
>
> Chris wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that
>>>> case cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your
>>>> crank is good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well
>>>> balanced as it could be.
>>
>> There are some pretty significant quality differences between a
>> typical field overhaul and one done by a true expert. A precision
>> builder will match the con rod weights then balance both the big
>> and small ends. Carefully matched counterweights with good, true
>> bushings will help significantly as well. The crank can be spin
>> balanced with counterweights in place for a final bottom end
>> check. A really careful builder will sort through many new pistons
>> to find parts that are closely matched, then install them opposite
>> of each other. If all of these steps are taken, you'll have an
>> incredibly smooth engine that will be highly unlikely to develop
>> cracks. Accessory, instrument, and airframe problems associated
>> with vibration are all also minimized.
>> chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Tylor,
I'll have to check Victor out. I've walked past their shop about 700
times in the last decade, but have never stopped in. I did detour over
there once to look at the Hoover Hornet, which was parked in front of
the shop for engine work. Got a good closeup look at that well used yoke
& throttle quadrant. "Yeah, I touched Hoover's airplane."
Roller motors for my airplane sound like a sweet idea. If they work
anywhere near as well as the '60s-era Mustangs me & my friends built
back in the 80's (think roller 351, 390 and 428) it should work pretty
well, and be the envy of all my friends....
/J
Tylor Hall wrote:
>
>
> John, I
> If you have not gone through an engine shop you should see one.
>
> Victor Engines right on the Palo Alto shop is a very high end engine
> shop. Get them to give you a tour.
> It is an experience.
> They do not have a tolerance on weight of parts. They will go thought
> a bunch of pistons to match 6 just alike.
> Same goes for piston rods, and other things.
>
> I went through their shop over 10 years ago.
>
> I understand Lyc has roller cam lifters now.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:11 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>>
>> Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as
>> science!
>>
>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that
>>>>> case cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your
>>>>> crank is good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced
>>>>> as it could be.
>>>
>>> There are some pretty significant quality differences between a
>>> typical field overhaul and one done by a true expert. A precision
>>> builder will match the con rod weights then balance both the big and
>>> small ends. Carefully matched counterweights with good, true
>>> bushings will help significantly as well. The crank can be spin
>>> balanced with counterweights in place for a final bottom end check.
>>> A really careful builder will sort through many new pistons to find
>>> parts that are closely matched, then install them opposite of each
>>> other. If all of these steps are taken, you'll have an incredibly
>>> smooth engine that will be highly unlikely to develop cracks.
>>> Accessory, instrument, and airframe problems associated with
>>> vibration are all also minimized.
>>> chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I hear that....
Chris wrote:
>
> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>
>> Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as
>> science!
>
> There's a little art for sure - but quality and experience are key.
> Any turkey with a toolbox and a manual can bolt one together that will
> run, but a craftsman can build an engine that will run to TBO and
> beyond without needing to be touched. When you have your engines
> done, go with a quality builder and I'd strongly suggest factory new
> cylinders. Factory Lyc jugs are good for a trouble-free TBO run. By
> the time they've accumulated 2000hrs, they almost all have significant
> metal fatigue and a good inspection will usually find small cracks
> beginning to form. Sure, they can be welded up and re-worked, but
> it's unlikely that you'll have another reliable run to TBO. Out of my
> 12 cylinders with 2000 hrs since new, we found cracks in 10 of them at
> teardown. I'll let someone else re-use them then have to top one or
> two every few hundred hours. Spend a few minutes looking at
> trade-a-plane to prove my point. You'll find tons of 800 SMOH, 200
> STOP engines out there.
> ya tend to get what you pay for.....
> chris
>
> or.... "it all depends".... :-)
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
I wouldn't do Victor's. I've seen *big* problems with customer service. If you
are in the NorCal area, you could solicit some advice from the folks at sacramento
sky ranch. OR, probably best, get a reman from the factory, which accrues
to value of the aircraft.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
John, I
If you have not gone through an engine shop you should see one.
Victor Engines right on the Palo Alto shop is a very high end engine
shop. Get them to give you a tour.
It is an experience.
They do not have a tolerance on weight of parts. They will go thought
a bunch of pistons to match 6 just alike.
Same goes for piston rods, and other things.
I went through their shop over 10 years ago.
I understand Lyc has roller cam lifters now.
Tylor Hall
On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:11 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>
> Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as
> science!
>
> Chris wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that
>>>> case cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your
>>>> crank is good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well
>>>> balanced as it could be.
>>
>> There are some pretty significant quality differences between a
>> typical field overhaul and one done by a true expert. A precision
>> builder will match the con rod weights then balance both the big
>> and small ends. Carefully matched counterweights with good, true
>> bushings will help significantly as well. The crank can be spin
>> balanced with counterweights in place for a final bottom end
>> check. A really careful builder will sort through many new pistons
>> to find parts that are closely matched, then install them opposite
>> of each other. If all of these steps are taken, you'll have an
>> incredibly smooth engine that will be highly unlikely to develop
>> cracks. Accessory, instrument, and airframe problems associated
>> with vibration are all also minimized.
>> chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Tylor,
How can they not have a tolerance on weight or parts? There is always a
tolerance on balance jobs, just as there must be a tolerance on all machined
objects. Do you remember what there tolerance is? As I remember Victor
consulted with the late Keith Black of Keith Black Racing Engines back in
the 80's when balancing became an issue for them (Victor). At that time
Keith was using Gary Thompson of Automotive Balance Service for his
balancing and their standard tolerance was plus or minus one gram.
Also, while I heartily concur that it is generally a good idea to replace
the cylinders with Lycoming new, this certainly does not guarantee a trouble
free engine. I have had the top portion of three exhaust valve guides fail
(they brake into many small pieces and you find them in the oil screen, the
valve cover and the oil filter) for no apparent reason when they had between
400 and 600 hours on them in my IGSO540B1A engines.
Regards,
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
>
> John, I
> If you have not gone through an engine shop you should see one.
>
> Victor Engines right on the Palo Alto shop is a very high end engine
> shop. Get them to give you a tour.
> It is an experience.
> They do not have a tolerance on weight of parts. They will go thought a
> bunch of pistons to match 6 just alike.
> Same goes for piston rods, and other things.
>
> I went through their shop over 10 years ago.
>
> I understand Lyc has roller cam lifters now.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 6:11 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
>
>>
>> Chris, sounds like assembling airplane engines is as much art as
>> science!
>>
>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>>>>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>>>>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could
>>>>> be.
>>>
>>> There are some pretty significant quality differences between a typical
>>> field overhaul and one done by a true expert. A precision builder will
>>> match the con rod weights then balance both the big and small ends.
>>> Carefully matched counterweights with good, true bushings will help
>>> significantly as well. The crank can be spin balanced with
>>> counterweights in place for a final bottom end check. A really careful
>>> builder will sort through many new pistons to find parts that are
>>> closely matched, then install them opposite of each other. If all of
>>> these steps are taken, you'll have an incredibly smooth engine that
>>> will be highly unlikely to develop cracks. Accessory, instrument, and
>>> airframe problems associated with vibration are all also minimized.
>>> chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
If you don't object, I'd like to put that on the website.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
Steve, I'll share what I find with the group.
/John
Steve at Col-East wrote:
>
>
> I think we'd second or third Divco.
>
> Sure as heck not an 'authority', but a couple sweet running narrow
> case engines have started wearing the cam lobes that are pulling
> double duty, somewhere around >1750 or so for us.
>
> Guess I'm geeky enough to be real interested in a teardown report on
> both your good and bad mill.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
>
>> -->
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> John Towner also recommended Divco. I'll check them out.
>>
>> The case is probably repairable; it's just that we have to split it,
>> which means new bearings, and then why not top it.....but then why
>> not just do a complete overhaul? And if I'm going to pay for that and
>> my other engine is past TBO, why not get the wide decks?
>>
>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could
>> be. My other engine has >1,600 SMOH and runs like a swiss watch. I
>> just have a good engine on that side. This engine has ~800 hours and
>> has been responsible for 70% of my engine difficulties in the near
>> decade I've owned my airplane.
>>
>> /J
>>
>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and
>>> is going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
>>> certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good
>>> engine too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I
>>> haven't seen it, but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case
>>> repairs and they really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity,
>>> have you had your engines/props balanced? A really smoothly
>>> balanced engine will have a lot fewer problems with case cracks and
>>> fretting.
>>>
>>>
>>> chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Absolutely....as soon as I hear.
/J
nico css wrote:
>
> If you don't object, I'd like to put that on the website.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:19 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
>
> Steve, I'll share what I find with the group.
>
> /John
>
> Steve at Col-East wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I think we'd second or third Divco.
>>
>> Sure as heck not an 'authority', but a couple sweet running narrow
>> case engines have started wearing the cam lobes that are pulling
>> double duty, somewhere around >1750 or so for us.
>>
>> Guess I'm geeky enough to be real interested in a teardown report on
>> both your good and bad mill.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>>
>>
>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> John Towner also recommended Divco. I'll check them out.
>>>
>>> The case is probably repairable; it's just that we have to split it,
>>> which means new bearings, and then why not top it.....but then why
>>> not just do a complete overhaul? And if I'm going to pay for that and
>>> my other engine is past TBO, why not get the wide decks?
>>>
>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could
>>> be. My other engine has >1,600 SMOH and runs like a swiss watch. I
>>> just have a good engine on that side. This engine has ~800 hours and
>>> has been responsible for 70% of my engine difficulties in the near
>>> decade I've owned my airplane.
>>>
>>> /J
>>>
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and
>>>> is going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
>>>> certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good
>>>> engine too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I
>>>> haven't seen it, but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case
>>>> repairs and they really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity,
>>>> have you had your engines/props balanced? A really smoothly
>>>> balanced engine will have a lot fewer problems with case cracks and
>>>> fretting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
John-
Sorry to hear about your cracked case. That is a lousy way to wind up the
summer- especially given how little of it was flyable on account of the fact
that California decided to immolate itself this year...
I was amazed to see you've owned your commander for nearly a decade! For
some reason I thought you were more recently acquainted than this!
Hope you get back in the air soon!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
Absolutely....as soon as I hear.
/J
nico css wrote:
>
> If you don't object, I'd like to put that on the website.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Vormbaum
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:19 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>
>
> Steve, I'll share what I find with the group.
>
> /John
>
> Steve at Col-East wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I think we'd second or third Divco.
>>
>> Sure as heck not an 'authority', but a couple sweet running narrow
>> case engines have started wearing the cam lobes that are pulling
>> double duty, somewhere around >1750 or so for us.
>>
>> Guess I'm geeky enough to be real interested in a teardown report on
>> both your good and bad mill.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Fly-in
>>
>>
>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>>
>>> John Towner also recommended Divco. I'll check them out.
>>>
>>> The case is probably repairable; it's just that we have to split it,
>>> which means new bearings, and then why not top it.....but then why
>>> not just do a complete overhaul? And if I'm going to pay for that and
>>> my other engine is past TBO, why not get the wide decks?
>>>
>>> I didn't do the dynamic prop balancing. I sort of imagine that case
>>> cracks are due to the crank....if it doesn't crack, your crank is
>>> good. If it does crack, your crank isn't as well balanced as it could
>>> be. My other engine has >1,600 SMOH and runs like a swiss watch. I
>>> just have a good engine on that side. This engine has ~800 hours and
>>> has been responsible for 70% of my engine difficulties in the near
>>> decade I've owned my airplane.
>>>
>>> /J
>>>
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> John Vormbaum wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey, maybe this is my opportunity to step up to wide-deck engines.
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear about your trauma John. That's certainly no fun and
>>>> is going to cost some money to deal with. The wide-deck engines are
>>>> certainly more desirable, but a well-built narrow-deck is a good
>>>> engine too. No idea if your case is repairable or not since I
>>>> haven't seen it, but Divco in Tulsa, OK does a LOT of Lycoming case
>>>> repairs and they really know their stuff. Just out of curiosity,
>>>> have you had your engines/props balanced? A really smoothly
>>>> balanced engine will have a lot fewer problems with case cracks and
>>>> fretting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | DISCOVERY CHANNEL AUGUST 22, 2008 9:00PM EASTERN |
Hey Guys,
I happen to see a Turbo Commander in a preview for a show on the Discovery
Channel 08/22 9pm Eastern if anyone is interested.
I'm pretty sure it was SN 11248 ZS-JRB 690A, but we will have to see.
Have a great weekend,
Bert
Aug 22, 9:00 pm
(60 minutes)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | DISCOVERY CHANNEL AUGUST 22, 2008 9:00PM EASTERN |
That's a South African ship. I might even have a picture of it somewhere.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: DISCOVERY CHANNEL AUGUST 22, 2008 9:00PM EASTERN
Hey Guys,
I happen to see a Turbo Commander in a preview for a show on the Discovery
Channel 08/22 9pm Eastern if anyone is interested.
I'm pretty sure it was SN 11248 ZS-JRB 690A, but we will have to see.
Have a great weekend,
Bert
Aug 22, 9:00 pm
(60 minutes)
Remind Me
Discovery Project Earth
Engineering the Future
TV-PG
Climate change is the greatest crisis humanity has ever faced. Now a group
of scientists and engineers have radical plans to save the planet. In a
series of epic experiements, the Discovery Channel puts their ideas to the
test.
_____
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | DISCOVERY CHANNEL AUGUST 22, 2008 9:00PM EASTERN |
Pity, though it's for such a hoax.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Commander-List: DISCOVERY CHANNEL AUGUST 22, 2008 9:00PM EASTERN
Hey Guys,
I happen to see a Turbo Commander in a preview for a show on the Discovery
Channel 08/22 9pm Eastern if anyone is interested.
I'm pretty sure it was SN 11248 ZS-JRB 690A, but we will have to see.
Have a great weekend,
Bert
Aug 22, 9:00 pm
(60 minutes)
Remind Me
Discovery Project Earth
Engineering the Future
TV-PG
Climate change is the greatest crisis humanity has ever faced. Now a group
of scientists and engineers have radical plans to save the planet. In a
series of epic experiements, the Discovery Channel puts their ideas to the
test.
_____
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on AOL Autos
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Volt/Amp meter |
Well, you were on the money, I repositioned and tested all the fuses in
the Power panel and the Volt meter now functions, thanks very much.
I just noticed my LED beacon is not functioning so now I have to hunt
that down.
Thanks again.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: mike floyd
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Volt/Amp meter
Voltmeter fuse in the fuse block mounted in the master power panel has
a loose clip that holds the fuse in place.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Volt/Amp meter
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:38:31 -0700
I have a new snag, when I push the Volt/Amp button the needle goes
left instead of displaying the Volts.
Both Alternators are still putting out Voltage so it might be just the
gauge.
Any opinions?
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another one bites the dust
dirty micro switch till proven otherwise - are your bungee cords
fresh?
bobf
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Tommy Mathieu
wrote:
Gentlemen:
I am having a problem with a right main gear landing light. It has
become intermittent and the gear must be put down more than once to get
the light to stay illuminated. Any thoughts on what might be causing
this to occur. Our local shop looked at this but has not been able to
run down the problem. As always, I greatly appreciate any advice ya'll
can provide on the subject. I am learning as I go along.
Sincerely,
Tommy Mathieu
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Hi Guys,
"We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in California.
I can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they can
trace a 'phone number for either of these.
Being a new owner of a Commander, they could well be interested in
joining the Flight Group and possibly in attending the Fly-In.
The 680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years ago!
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Craig Kennedy <craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net> |
The guy who bought the FL got it from Richard Cam. I'll see if I can get his number.
Craig
Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote: Hi Guys,
"We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in California.
I can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they can trace
a 'phone number for either of these.
Being a new owner of a Commander, they could well be interested in joining the
Flight Group and possibly in attending the Fly-In.
The 680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years ago!
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Sir Barry,
Would the 680FL be the one I flew to and operated in Pago Pago by any chance??
What was it ... s/n 1572 or something like that?? I know it ended up back in Hayward,
California (KHWD) at Morris Kernick's some years ago.
View full size
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:58 am
Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
Hi Guys,
?
"We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and
a 680FL in California.
?
I can supply a name and address if anybody is
willing to see if they can trace a 'phone number for either of
these.
?
Being a new owner of a Commander, they could well
be interested in joining the Flight Group and possibly in attending the
Fly-In.
?
The 680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years
ago!
?
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Keith,
I didn't know you lived/worked in American Samoa. Isn't that about as
far as you can get from Las Vegas without leaving the planet? You're an
interesting guy. Flying & living in one of the wettest environments on
Earth, and now one of the driest. There's a happy medium ya know....
/J
Keith S. Gordon wrote:
> *Sir Barry,
>
> Would the 680FL be the one I flew to and operated in Pago Pago by any
> chance? What was it ... s/n 1572 or something like that? I know it
> ended up back in Hayward, California (KHWD) at Morris Kernick's some
> years ago.
>
> *
> View full size
> <http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=e410*dColDp5L4bGvbBgwpmLJVl5PM2uj-Eov4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D>
>
>
> *
> Wing Commander Gordon
> *
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:58 am
> Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> "We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in California.
>
> I can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they
> can trace a 'phone number for either of these.
>
> Being a new owner of a Commander, they could well be interested in
> joining the Flight Group and possibly in attending the Fly-In.
>
> The 680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years ago!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
> *
>
>
> *
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Keith, according to Commander Tales on the website, the one you flew to Pago
Pago (if you didn't fly more than one) was s/n 1541. Close enough?
http://www.aerocommander.com/tales.asp?m=08
<http://www.aerocommander.com/tales.asp?m=08&lid=01&mtitle=Tales>
&lid=01&mtitle=Tales
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Owners
Sir Barry,
Would the 680FL be the one I flew to and operated in Pago Pago by any
chance? What was it ... s/n 1572 or something like that? I know it ended
up back in Hayward, California (KHWD) at Morris Kernick's some years ago.
<http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=e410*dColDp5L4bGvbBgwpmLJVl5P
M2uj-Eov4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D>
View full size
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:58 am
Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
Hi Guys,
"We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in California.
I can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they can
trace a 'phone number for either of these.
Being a new owner of a Commander, they could well be interested in joining
the Flight Group and possibly in attending the Fly-In.
The 680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years ago!
Best Regards,
Barry
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________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Craig,
The name "Cam" isn't reflected at all in my database.
The 680FL that's recently changed hands is N316KW, s/n 1753-146.
It's now Registered to Christopher J & Christine A Petrikas, in
Riverside, CA.
The 500B is one converted from a 500A in August 1964 and is N9383R, s/n
905.
Formerly with an owner for almost 32 years, it's now Registered to JASC
LLC., in Fort Smith, Arkansas.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Kennedy
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Owners
The guy who bought the FL got it from Richard Cam. I'll see if I can
get his number.
Craig
Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Guys,
"We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in
California.
I can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they
can trace a 'phone number for either of these.
http://forums.matronics.com
===========
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
I didn't know you lived/worked in American Samoa. Isn't that about as
far as you can get from Las Vegas without leaving the planet? You're an
interesting guy. Flying & living in one of the wettest environments on
Earth, and now one of the driest. There's a happy medium ya know....?
I also lived in Pt. Barrow, Alaska, flying the North Slope for a while.? If you
plot the distance and climates my life starts to look really weird.? Oh well
... life is a study in contrasts.??
Nico, thanks for the reminder -- I should have referred to my own scribblings for
the 680FL serial number.? I did fly only one Commander to Pago Pago, but a
680E preceded me and that was the one we operated more than the -FL.? (Long story)??
Sadly, the 680E was sold some years later and ended up wrecked in a landing
accident in the Philippines.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Owners
?
Keith,?
?
I didn't know you lived/worked in American Samoa. Isn't that about as
far as you can get from Las Vegas without leaving the planet? You're an
interesting guy. Flying & living in one of the wettest environments on
Earth, and now one of the driest. There's a happy medium ya know....?
?
/J?
?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
That Pago Pago trip is still one of my favorite stories to read.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Owners
I didn't know you lived/worked in American Samoa. Isn't that about as far as
you can get from Las Vegas without leaving the planet? You're an interesting
guy. Flying & living in one of the wettest environments on Earth, and now
one of the driest. There's a happy medium ya know....
I also lived in Pt. Barrow, Alaska, flying the North Slope for a while. If
you plot the distance and climates my life starts to look really weird. Oh
well ... life is a study in contrasts.
Nico, thanks for the reminder -- I should have referred to my own
scribblings for the 680FL serial number. I did fly only one Commander to
Pago Pago, but a 680E preceded me and that was the one we operated more than
the -FL. (Long story) Sadly, the 680E was sold some years later and ended
up wrecked in a landing accident in the Philippines.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Owners
Keith,
I didn't know you lived/worked in American Samoa. Isn't that about as far as
you can get from Las Vegas without leaving the planet? You're an interesting
guy. Flying & living in one of the wettest environments on Earth, and now
one of the driest. There's a happy medium ya know....
/J
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________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
Hey guys...
no $ received and no response from the buyer that showed interest so...
anyone wanting these items make me an offer...
I will take $2000 first come first serve. Good stuff in nice condition.
Brent Mueller
1831 111th Ave NE
Blaine MN 55449
Thanks Guys...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199596#199596
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net |
Did you get my email saying the check was sent yesterday?
Craig
------Original Message------
From: brent-mueller(at)comcast.net
Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Aug 19, 2008 11:25 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: items for sale...500B / 560E
Hey guys...
no $ received and no response from the buyer that showed interest so...
anyone wanting these items make me an offer...
I will take $2000 first come first serve. Good stuff in nice condition.
Brent Mueller
1831 111th Ave NE
Blaine MN 55449
Thanks Guys...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199596#199596
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: items for sale...500B / 560E |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
craigk391(at)sbcglobal.ne wrote:
> Did you get my email saying the check was sent yesterday?
>
> Craig
> ---
------------------Hello, I just did here...so our sale is still pending all, sorry
for the confusion-----------------------------------------------------------------
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199828#199828
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | One case AEROSHELL W100 oil $50 + S&H |
| From: | "brent-mueller(at)comcast.net" <aerocommander-560e(at)comcast.net> |
Cleaning out the hangar...
ONE CASE AEROSHELL W100 $50 + S&H
Thanks,
Brent
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199849#199849
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million
pounds! Using every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE
CONVERSATION FROM THE TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.w
mv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.
wmv
Quite something to see.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million pounds! Using
every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION FROM THE
TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.wmv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
WCG-
That is one of the best "Getting in Done in GA" stories I've read in a long
time.
I realize it's been up for some time- but if Nico hadn't posted it here I
might have missed it.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New Owners
Keith, according to Commander Tales on the website, the one you flew to Pago
Pago (if you didn't fly more than one) was s/n 1541. Close enough?
http://www.aerocommander.com/tales.asp?m=08
<http://www.aerocommander.com/tales.asp?m=08&lid=01&mtitle=Tales>
&lid=01&mtitle=Tales
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Owners
Sir Barry,
Would the 680FL be the one I flew to and operated in Pago Pago by any
chance? What was it ... s/n 1572 or something like that? I know it ended
up back in Hayward, California (KHWD) at Morris Kernick's some years ago.
<http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=e410*dColDp5L4bGvbBgwpmLJVl5P
M2uj-Eov4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D>
<http://pictures.aol.com/ap/singleImage.do?pid=e410*dColDp5L4bGvbBgwpmLJVl5P
M2uj-Eov4xQp5Fd3Ig%3D> View full size
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:58 am
Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
Hi Guys,
"We" have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in California.
I can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they can
trace a 'phone number for either of these.
Being a new owner of a Commander, they could well be interested in joining
the Flight Group and possibly in attending the Fly-In.
The 680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years ago!
Best Regards,
Barry
_____
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Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More!
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Heavy lifter |
Thanks for that, I feel like that sometimes at Chilliwack.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: Don
To: Don Girod
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million
pounds! Using every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE
CONVERSATION FROM THE TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.w
mv
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Thank you, Sir!=C2- Glad you enjoyed it.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New Owners
WCG-
=C2-
That is one of the best =9CGetting in Done in GA=9D stories I
=99ve
read in a long time.
=C2-
I realize it=99s been up for some time- but if Nico hadn=99t pos
ted
it here I might have missed it.
=C2-
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New Owners
=C2-
Keith, according to Commander Tales on the website, the one you
flew to Pago Pago (if=C2-you didn't fly more than one) was s/n 1541. Close
enough?
=C2-
http://www.aerocommander.com/tales.asp?m=08&lid=01&mtitle=Tales
=C2-
Thanks
=C2-
Nico
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New=2
0Owners
Sir Barry,
Would the 680FL be the one I flew to and operated in Pago Pago by any
chance?=C2- What was it ... s/n 1572 or something like that?=C2- I know
it
ended up back in Hayward, California (KHWD) at Morris Kernick's some years a
go.
View full size
=C2-
=C2-
Wing Commander Gordon
=C2-
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
=C2-
=C2-
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 7:58 am
Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
Hi
Guys,
=C2-
"We"
have a new owner for a 500B in Arkansas and a 680FL in California.
=C2-
I
can supply a name and address if anybody is willing to see if they can trace
a
'phone number for either of these.
=C2-
Being
a new owner of a Commander, they could well be interested in joining the Fli
ght
Group and possibly in attending the Fly-In.
=C2-
The
680FL owner used to own a 500B about 19 years ago!
=C2-
Best
Regards,
Barry
Get the MapQuest
Tool
bar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More!
=C2-
=C2-
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=C2-
=C2-
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
=C2-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Craig,
The name "Cam" isn't reflected at all in my database.
The 680FL that's recently changed hands is N316KW, s/n 1753-146.
It's now Registered to Christopher J & Christine A Petrikas, in Riverside, CA.
Best Regards,
Barry
> ---
This airplane was at Chino today KCNO
APG
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0219#200219
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
Somebody removed the heater in this airplane-to install a radar antenna somebody
know the STC for this work (Done overseas) we need to re-install the heater
system and oxygen system,
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0220#200220
________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Andrew!
----- Original Message -----
From: "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners
|
| [quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Craig,
|
| The name "Cam" isn't reflected at all in my database.
|
| The 680FL that's recently changed hands is N316KW, s/n 1753-146.
| It's now Registered to Christopher J & Christine A Petrikas, in Riverside,
CA.
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry
|
| > ---
|
|
| This airplane was at Chino today KCNO
|
| APG
|
| --------
| Andrew P Geraghty
| Corona CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
Anyone go look at that 680F in Tn? Just wondering how bad it really
is. I can't tell from the gearwell pic what's corrosion and what's bird
droppings. Sure would be a shame to see yet another airframe chopped up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PARTS-680F-AERO-COMMANDER-COMPLETE-SUPER-CHEAP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63678QQihZ001QQitemZ110282269165QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Folks,
This clip has recently generated a lot of comment.
The video was taken from the tower in Canberra, the Australian capital; it
was on charter to an Australian operator, doing military lift for the
Australian Department of Defence.
The performance displayed is typical of first generation jets, I can well
remember getting airborne in a B707-320, and not hearing the click of the
gear lever unlock solenoid (meaning the main gear squat switches had just
released after the weight had come off the gear) until the "piano keys" had
passed my peripheral vision.
There is much less to this than meets the eye.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.
wmv
Quite something to see.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million pounds! Using
every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION FROM THE
TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.wmv
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Thanks Andrew!
>
> ---
your are welcome, also is a 680F S# 969-27 N680PL
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0260#200260
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Andrew,
OK - thanks.
What's the Serial Number, or 'N' number, of your one?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners
|
|
| barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
| > Thanks Andrew!
| >
| > ---
|
| your are welcome, also is a 680F S# 969-27 N680PL
|
| --------
| Andrew P Geraghty
| Corona CA
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0260#200260
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> OK - thanks.
>
> What's the Serial Number, or 'N' number, of your one?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
Next I will take better picture
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0322#200322
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p8241181_154.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> OK - thanks.
>
> What's the Serial Number, or 'N' number, of your one?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
Is a690A S#11200 N921ST
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0323#200323
Attachments:
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3280778_134.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> OK - thanks.
>
> What's the Serial Number, or 'N' number, of your one?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
680F S# 969-27 N680PL
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0324#200324
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/pb280205_152.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
There is a 680F on Ebay for parts.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Don" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Heavy lifter |
Bill
Now you have me confused. I am the one that posted this, got it from an
old Air Force friend. I flew some pretty early jets and only in the AF
in Viet Nam did I ever get that good of a look at the other end of the
runway.
Also do not understand the 'much less to this than meets the eye' if
you want off line dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Folks,
This clip has recently generated a lot of comment.
The video was taken from the tower in Canberra, the Australian
capital; it was on charter to an Australian operator, doing military
lift for the Australian Department of Defence.
The performance displayed is typical of first generation jets, I can
well remember getting airborne in a B707-320, and not hearing the click
of the gear lever unlock solenoid (meaning the main gear squat switches
had just released after the weight had come off the gear) until the
"piano keys" had passed my peripheral vision.
There is much less to this than meets the eye.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Austral
ia.wmv
Quite something to see.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
To: Don Girod
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million
pounds! Using every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE
CONVERSATION FROM THE TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.w
mv
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
8/24/2008 12:15 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Don, we had a ground sniffer on the nose of the B-47. When you got to then
end of the runway and it smelled dirt we rotated. That plane was designed
for a max gross weight of 125,000 pounds, we were flying them at 221,000 and
the 509th was flying them at 225,000 with the pods.
Jim Addington
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Bill
Now you have me confused. I am the one that posted this, got it from an old
Air Force friend. I flew some pretty early jets and only in the AF in Viet
Nam did I ever get that good of a look at the other end of the runway.
Also do not understand the 'much less to this than meets the eye' if you
want off line dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> Hamilton
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Folks,
This clip has recently generated a lot of comment.
The video was taken from the tower in Canberra, the Australian capital; it
was on charter to an Australian operator, doing military lift for the
Australian Department of Defence.
The performance displayed is typical of first generation jets, I can well
remember getting airborne in a B707-320, and not hearing the click of the
gear lever unlock solenoid (meaning the main gear squat switches had just
released after the weight had come off the gear) until the "piano keys" had
passed my peripheral vision.
There is much less to this than meets the eye.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.
wmv
Quite something to see.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million pounds! Using
every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION FROM THE
TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.wmv
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
8/24/2008 12:15 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Please don't take it offline, guys. We need to hear the end of this story,
too.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Bill
Now you have me confused. I am the one that posted this, got it from an old
Air Force friend. I flew some pretty early jets and only in the AF in Viet
Nam did I ever get that good of a look at the other end of the runway.
Also do not understand the 'much less to this than meets the eye' if you
want off line dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton <mailto:wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Folks,
This clip has recently generated a lot of comment.
The video was taken from the tower in Canberra, the Australian capital; it
was on charter to an Australian operator, doing military lift for the
Australian Department of Defence.
The performance displayed is typical of first generation jets, I can well
remember getting airborne in a B707-320, and not hearing the click of the
gear lever unlock solenoid (meaning the main gear squat switches had just
released after the weight had come off the gear) until the "piano keys" had
passed my peripheral vision.
There is much less to this than meets the eye.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.
wmv
Quite something to see.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million pounds! Using
every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION FROM THE
TOWER.
http
://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.wmv
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
8/24/2008 12:15 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Andrew,
Thanks!
So, you're 'involved' with both N921ST (690A-11200) and N680PL
(680F-969-27) ?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:33 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners
|
|
| barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
| > Hi Andrew,
| >
| > OK - thanks.
| >
| > What's the Serial Number, or 'N' number, of your one?
| >
| > Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| > ---
|
| 680F S# 969-27 N680PL
|
| --------
| Andrew P Geraghty
| Corona CA
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0324#200324
|
|
|
|
| Attachments:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com//files/pb280205_152.jpg
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Thanks!
>
> So, you're 'involved' with both N921ST (690A-11200) and N680PL (680F-969-27)
?
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
Yes
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0485#200485
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Andrew,
OK - that's neat!
When you're next with the 680F, could you make a note of the
Manufacturer's Aircraft Association Plate Number?
This will be a six-digit number at the foot of the Serial Number plate.
I already have this number for the 690A, being 479331.
Your help will be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners
|
|
| barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
| > Hi Andrew,
| >
| > Thanks!
| >
| > So, you're 'involved' with both N921ST (690A-11200) and N680PL
(680F-969-27) ?
| >
| > Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| > ---
|
|
| Yes
|
| --------
| Andrew P Geraghty
| Corona CA
|
|
|
|
| Read this topic online here:
|
| http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0485#200485
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland brakes |
Hello Guys=2C
I need some advice on the brakes matter=2C I know it has been discussed in
this forum before but I am not able to find where=2C so I better rise the q
uestion again. I am wishing to install Cleveland brakes and wheels on my ai
rcraft but I am not sure what kit to install. Some people say I need the 19
9-22 kit other say it is the 199-88. I don't know if I need the double cal
iper or the single one. And who is the best supplier. I know you will be ab
le to help as always.
Thank you in advance.
PS. My key porblem was solved now I am able to lock my ariplane=2C thanks a
lot.
Octavio Viveros
AC500U XB-KSK
1668-17
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| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland brakes |
Octavio-
Did you elect not to sell your airplane?
I seem to recall something about a woman=85and airplane=85and a for-sale
sign.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Octavio
viveros sandoval
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland brakes
Hello Guys,
I need some advice on the brakes matter, I know it has been discussed in
this forum before but I am not able to find where, so I better rise the
question again. I am wishing to install Cleveland brakes and wheels on
my
aircraft but I am not sure what kit to install. Some people say I need
the
199-22 kit other say it is the 199-88. I don't know if I need the
double
caliper or the single one. And who is the best supplier. I know you will
be
able to help as always.
Thank you in advance.
PS. My key porblem was solved now I am able to lock my ariplane, thanks
a
lot.
Octavio Viveros
AC500U XB-KSK
1668-17
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| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Don,
Throughout the old British Commonwealth (sounds better than Empire, doesn't
it) we had few runways longer than 8500', many only 7900/8100 --- the
standard RAF/RAAF runway, in the late 50's-early 70's.
Only when we got to US did we have decent runway lengths. If my memory
serves me correctly, even the original runways at London/Heathrow EGLL, were
less than 9000'.
Hickham/Honolulu was paradise with about 13,000 ft.
Three places on Australia where 1 degree or 1 knot of headwind was critical
in a B707, Brisbane, Perth or Cairns. Even in Sydney, the "long" runway in
1966 was only 8900, it is now shorter, due ICAO RESA requirements.
A place like RAF Muharraq, better known now as Bahrain, with a temp. of 45
degree and 8500', got very interesting.
Until all the runways were extended for the B747, we has few operations that
were 2nd segment limited, rather than runway accelerate/stop limited. In
those days, FAJS, Johannesburg was our only exception, at 8000', the JT3D-3B
was a large hair dryer, only the SAA JT3D-7 gave a half way decent
range/payload at those elevations.
Re."Much less than---", the IL-76 was operating out of Canberra quite
normally, it's just that the tower crew were quite unfamiliar with the
expected performance, they were used to seeing only modern short range
aircraft, and the occasional RAAF B707-320 (most were ex-QANTAS). A company
operated by a good mate of mine was the local operator of the IL-76, so I
know quite a bit about the detail.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Don, we had a ground sniffer on the nose of the B-47. When you got to then
end of the runway and it smelled dirt we rotated. That plane was designed
for a max gross weight of 125,000 pounds, we were flying them at 221,000 and
the 509th was flying them at 225,000 with the pods.
Jim Addington
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Bill
Now you have me confused. I am the one that posted this, got it from an old
Air Force friend. I flew some pretty early jets and only in the AF in Viet
Nam did I ever get that good of a look at the other end of the runway.
Also do not understand the 'much less to this than meets the eye' if you
want off line dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
Thanks, Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton <mailto:wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
Folks,
This clip has recently generated a lot of comment.
The video was taken from the tower in Canberra, the Australian capital; it
was on charter to an Australian operator, doing military lift for the
Australian Department of Defence.
The performance displayed is typical of first generation jets, I can well
remember getting airborne in a B707-320, and not hearing the click of the
gear lever unlock solenoid (meaning the main gear squat switches had just
released after the weight had come off the gear) until the "piano keys" had
passed my peripheral vision.
There is much less to this than meets the eye.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:29 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
The URL got corrupted, Don. Here it is.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2008-2-9-Il76-in-Australia.
wmv
Quite something to see.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Heavy lifter
I wonder how you say "WHEW!" in Russian?
A fully loaded Russian IL-76 cargo plane... payload 1 million pounds! Using
every inch of runway.
Listen to the "controllers" in the tower, who are Australian
WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO.. TURN THE SOUND UP TO HEAR THE CONVERSATION FROM THE
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| Subject: | Re: Cleveland brakes |
Hi Octavio,
I have an old listing of STC's and this shows two numbers seem to be
applicable to the Model 500U for a "Cleveland brake conversion kit".
SA303GL is for kit number 199-74, covering Models 500, 500A, 500B, 500S,
500U, 560A and 560E.
SA706GL is for kit number 199-122, covering Models 500, 500A, 500B, 500S
& 500U.
A little more detail on these STC numbers can be found at:
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgSTC.nsf/MainF
rame?OpenFrameSet
and then search on the STC numbers.
Of course, it may be better to wait for an answer from somebody who has
accomplished the change on their 500U!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Octavio viveros sandoval
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Cleveland brakes
Hello Guys,
I need some advice on the brakes matter, I know it has been discussed
in this forum before but I am not able to find where, so I better rise
the question again. I am wishing to install Cleveland brakes and wheels
on my aircraft but I am not sure what kit to install. Some people say I
need the 199-22 kit other say it is the 199-88. I don't know if I need
the double caliper or the single one. And who is the best supplier. I
know you will be able to help as always.
Thank you in advance.
PS. My key porblem was solved now I am able to lock my ariplane,
thanks a lot.
Octavio Viveros
AC500U XB-KSK
1668-17
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| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
Hello Robert=2C
The airplane is still for sale in case somebody is interested but I haven't
had any serious offer yet. In the meantime I am enojoying working on it. I
plan to install the brakes an maybe get some new paint.
Octavio
AC500U XB-KSK
1668-17
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
tylor hall=2C do you have the new holder of the MR RPM stc. ?? need turbo
ducts. tnx gmc
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Mason,
I thought is was Fire Truck Aviation. 1-866-270-2631
http://www.ftaaviation.com/
They have taken the Mr RPM stuff off their web site. Don't know what
is going on.
Tylor
On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:05 AM, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
> tylor hall, do you have the new holder of the MR RPM stc. ?? need
> turbo ducts. tnx gmc
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Mason,
Your 680F(P) is covered by STC SA2891WE for the Mr RPM "Turbo 800"
modification.
According to the FAA's STC website, this STC is now owned by:
RPM Commander LLC
1401 North Riverside Drive, Suite 607
Pompano Beach
FL 33062
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
tylor hall, do you have the new holder of the MR RPM stc. ?? need
turbo ducts. tnx gmc
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| From: | Tom Svendsen <tomsvendsen(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | 680FL Grand Commander , US reg. |
Hello =2C Im new to this group and im from Norway=2CEurope.
This is my first posting.
I was wondering about these questions.
All questions refer to Grand Commander 680FL =2C construction number 1355-3
4 only.
When was this aircraft delivered from factory ? (Date/Year)
Was this 1963 or 1964 ?
This aircraft was delivered to US with reg N6355U =2C(1963 or 1964) which c
ompany owned/operated it ?
At a later time pre 1972 it got US reg N8885D =2C What year? =2C which co
mpany owned/operated it ?
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Further (fate) regarding the same aircraft (1355-34) which i possess (Dont
need answers on these ones )
Registered 22.march.1972 LN-LMM in Norway owner/operator Nor-Fly A/S =2CHon
efoss
New owner 22.jan.1983 " " owner/operator Fjellan
ger-Wideroe =2COslo
30.june 1992 certificate of airworthiness expires.
1993-1998 Used as an instructional airfram
e =2C aircraft mechanics =2COslo
1998 Private owned
18.july.2008 Cockpit/cabin section 17.7 feet (5=2C4M)
bought and owned by me. (east of Oslo )
Regards
Tom S
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| From: | "Don Barry Home" <don.barry(at)sbcglobal.net> |
http://www.rpmcommander.com/
Don
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Hi Mason,
Your 680F(P) is covered by STC SA2891WE for the Mr RPM "Turbo 800"
modification.
According to the FAA's STC website, this STC is now owned by:
RPM Commander LLC
1401 North Riverside Drive, Suite 607
Pompano Beach
FL 33062
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <mailto:kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
tylor hall, do you have the new holder of the MR RPM stc. ?? need turbo
ducts. tnx gmc
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| Subject: | Re: 680FL Grand Commander , US reg. |
Hi Tom,
I'm Barry Collman, an aviation historian, specialising in the Twin
Commanders.
Currently, my database comprises some 92,900 records.
My records have mostly been gleaned from the FAA and Factory files.
680FL-1355-34 was first Certificated as N6335U on 25th October 1963.
It was bought by Distributor, Executive Aircraft Corp., of Indianapolis,
Indiana, on 5th November 1963 and they sold it to Northside Chevrolet
Inc., also of Indianapolis, Indiana. That Bill of Sale was not dated
though, but both Bills of Sale were Registered on 9th July 1964.
However, before that, Northside Chevrolet had requested a new 'N' number
and N8885D was Assigned on 19th June 1964 and the change was also
registered at the same time as the two Bills of Sale, on 9th July.
After a sale to Broad Ripple Investments Inc., of Indianapolis, Indiana
on 10th October 1966, they then sold it to Norronafly A/S., of
Oslo-Fornebu, Norway on 31st January 1972 and Registration N8885D was
cancelled on 6th March 1972.
I have the date of Registration to Fjellanger-Wideroe A/S as 21st
January 1983.
I'm going to send you an Excel .xls spreadsheet, giving the complete
history as I know it.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Svendsen
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 680FL Grand Commander , US reg.
Hello , Im new to this group and im from Norway,Europe.
This is my first posting.
I was wondering about these questions.
All questions refer to Grand Commander 680FL , construction number
1355-34 only.
When was this aircraft delivered from factory ? (Date/Year)
Was this 1963 or 1964 ?
This aircraft was delivered to US with reg N6355U ,(1963 or 1964)
which company owned/operated it ?
At a later time pre 1972 it got US reg N8885D , What year? , which
company owned/operated it ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
Further (fate) regarding the same aircraft (1355-34) which i possess
(Dont need answers on these ones )
Registered 22.march.1972 LN-LMM in Norway owner/operator Nor-Fly A/S
,Honefoss
New owner 22.jan.1983 " " owner/operator
Fjellanger-Wideroe ,Oslo
30.june 1992 certificate of airworthiness expires.
1993-1998 Used as an instructional
airframe , aircraft mechanics ,Oslo
1998 Private owned
18.july.2008 Cockpit/cabin section 17.7 feet
(5,4M) bought and owned by me. (east of Oslo )
Regards
Tom S
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | 680FL Grand Commander , US reg. |
Norway is in Europe?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Svendsen
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 680FL Grand Commander , US reg.
Hello , Im new to this group and im from Norway,Europe.
This is my first posting.
I was wondering about these questions.
All questions refer to Grand Commander 680FL , construction number 1355-34
only.
When was this aircraft delivered from factory ? (Date/Year)
Was this 1963 or 1964 ?
This aircraft was delivered to US with reg N6355U ,(1963 or 1964) which
company owned/operated it ?
At a later time pre 1972 it got US reg N8885D , What year? , which company
owned/operated it ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------
Further (fate) regarding the same aircraft (1355-34) which i possess (Dont
need answers on these ones )
Registered 22.march.1972 LN-LMM in Norway owner/operator Nor-Fly A/S
,Honefoss
New owner 22.jan.1983 " " owner/operator
Fjellanger-Wideroe ,Oslo
30.june 1992 certificate of airworthiness expires.
1993-1998 Used as an instructional airframe
, aircraft mechanics ,Oslo
1998 Private owned
18.july.2008 Cockpit/cabin section 17.7 feet (5,4M)
bought and owned by me. (east of Oslo )
Regards
Tom S
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| Subject: | FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK! |
| From: | "Bichier, Peter" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hello all,
I am also new to the group and asking a lot on my 1st post!
my love for Commanders started when my father replaced his Turbo Apache
for a 560 in the 70s in Venezuela. He had a ranch in the Amazon and
would fly there for long vacations. He also used it for charters all
over the country & Caribbeans, but specially south of the Orinoco on
dirt strips. He claimed that wherever you could put a C206, his YV-ABE
(later YV-515P) would make it too.
now I'm in Toledo, OH. I'm a avian biologist that mostly work in the
tropics; I guess those great youth times have not quite dissipated!
I came across your GREAT TCFG web page and also found this space.
I am glad to see that those planes are still flying and wish my father
had access to such a great maintenance/flight exchange. (Although this
year has been tragic as well...)
It would be a great experience and kind of a dream come true to attend
the Fly In, specially at this historical reasons and place!
On that note, how can I join the TCFG and get the newsletter? (specially
the latest issue!)
(I sent a couple of emails to the group)
I have noticed that some of you are based in Ohio or Michigan area.
If by any chance there would be one of those rare birds flying by (or
taking off) on their way to WPA and willing to pick up a light (150lbs)
passenger to help with costs... I'll be willing to drive at least 200mls
or more! (Indiana or illinois too!)
at least it will be a joy to hear and read your life with the planes of
my dreams!
truly yours,
Peter Bichier
cell 734-355-4820
Department of Environmental Sciences
University of Toledo, OH 43606
(419) 530-4576
-----Original Message-----
From: Bichier, Peter
Sent: Thu 8/21/2008 4:58 PM
Subject: interested in Membership
From: Bichier, Peter
Sent: Mon 8/18/2008 7:37 PM
Subject: interested in Membership
Dear Jim Metzger and the Twin Commander Flight Group,
First let me thank you all for such a GREAT site!
My father had a 560 and I use to fly on it as a kid... my dream always
has been to own one, but it won't happen in this lifetime... however
your site has brought up my enthusiasm about those great tough old birds
and in a way made me dream again!
so here are my questions:
1. how much is your membership and how can I find the application form?
2. can I join even if I am not a pilot?
3. I am studying the possibility to go to your annual Fly in, is that
possible for a person in my case?
thank you again for opening a web site on such a great airplane and hope
to hear from you soon,
sincerely,
Peter Bichier
Department of Environmental Sciences
University of Toledo, OH 43606
(419) 530-4576
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| Subject: | Re: 680FL Grand Commander , US reg. |
Yep!
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 680FL Grand Commander , US reg.
Norway is in Europe?
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Svendsen
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:48 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: 680FL Grand Commander , US reg.
Hello , Im new to this group and im from Norway,Europe.
This is my first posting.
I was wondering about these questions.
All questions refer to Grand Commander 680FL , construction number
1355-34 only.
When was this aircraft delivered from factory ? (Date/Year)
Was this 1963 or 1964 ?
This aircraft was delivered to US with reg N6355U ,(1963 or 1964)
which company owned/operated it ?
At a later time pre 1972 it got US reg N8885D , What year? , which
company owned/operated it ?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------
Further (fate) regarding the same aircraft (1355-34) which i possess
(Dont need answers on these ones )
Registered 22.march.1972 LN-LMM in Norway owner/operator Nor-Fly A/S
,Honefoss
New owner 22.jan.1983 " " owner/operator
Fjellanger-Wideroe ,Oslo
30.june 1992 certificate of airworthiness expires.
1993-1998 Used as an instructional
airframe , aircraft mechanics ,Oslo
1998 Private owned
18.july.2008 Cockpit/cabin section 17.7 feet
(5,4M) bought and owned by me. (east of Oslo )
Regards
Tom S
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
db=2C tnx. gmc
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ommander-List: Date: Tue=2C 26 Aug 2008 15:40:46 -0500
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry CollmanSent: Tuesday=2C August 2
6=2C 2008 12:47 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-Li
st:
Hi Mason=2C
Your 680F(P) is covered by STC SA2891WE for the Mr RPM "Turbo 800" modifica
tion.
According to the FAA's STC website=2C this STC is now owned by:
RPM Commander LLC
1401 North Riverside Drive=2C Suite 607
Pompano Beach
FL 33062
Best Regards=2C
Barry
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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Tuesday=2C August 26=2C 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
tylor hall=2C do you have the new holder of the MR RPM stc. ?? need turbo
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK! |
Peter, About ten years ago I had the pleasure of visiting your country on a
fishing trip. We fished on the orinoco and ventura rivers and caught a lot of
different fish including peacock bass ,Parinah and others. Had a great
time,beautiful country! I have a 680 but it may not be ready to go to the fly
in,still working the kinks out. Hope you can get to Tulsa. Gil
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Re: FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK! |
Hi All,
Just so that there's no confusion, Peter needs to get to Bethany-Wiley
Post (PWA), not Tulsa!
I'd hate for anyone to miss the festivities ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK!
Peter, About ten years ago I had the pleasure of visiting your country
on a fishing trip. We fished on the orinoco and ventura rivers and
caught a lot of different fish including peacock bass ,Parinah and
others. Had a great time,beautiful country! I have a 680 but it may not
be ready to go to the fly in,still working the kinks out. Hope you can
get to Tulsa. Gil
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| From: | Octavio viveros sandoval <tatoviveros(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Cleveland Wheels and Brakes v2 |
Mr=2C Barry.
As always you provide helpful information=2C thanks a lot.
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| From: | peter bichier <peter.bichier(at)utoledo.edu> |
| Subject: | FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK! |
ouuuups! that's right... a mixing of letters can be dread full in
this business!
thanks for the correction Barry... are you crossing the atlantic for
THE fly in?
how can I get a hold of your newletter? should I send a direct email
to someone? or is it too late...
Thank you, and some day we'll have to discuss the history of YV-ABE,
later on YV-515P, wich eventually was empounded by US authorities in
Miami in 1982 or 83... (a long story) I also remember that he bought
it in Oklahoma early 70's. My father past away last year and I'm
still sorting through his stuff...
Peter Bichier
On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Barry Collman wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just so that there's no confusion, Peter needs to get to Bethany-
> Wiley Post (PWA), not Tulsa!
>
> I'd hate for anyone to miss the festivities ;-)
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK! |
Hi Peter,
Yes, I'll most certainly be in Oklahoma City.
I haven't yet missed a TCFG Fly-In since they started in June 1995 and
don't intend to for a good while yet!
I will send you the history of your father's 560, which was serial
number 211.
I knew it returned to the USA as N5462Z in 1984, but didn't know it was
impounded in 1982 or 1983.
Mind you, although there was a Bill of Sale as YV-515P to Page Avjet
Corp., in Miami, Florida on March 15th 1984, the Venezuelan registration
wasn't cancelled until August 9th that year and it wasn't registered as
N5462Z until November 16th 1984.
Hopefully, you can help further with that 'oddity' regarding the dates
and provide some background information.
N5462Z was later seized by the Metro-Dade Police Department on April
12th 1985 though, with a Court "Final Judgement of Default" issued in
their favour on September 9th 1985.
I'll send you the history of s/n 211 in the form of an Excel .xls file
tomorrow.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: peter bichier
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FLY IN and looking for a ride to OK!
ouuuups! that's right... a mixing of letters can be dread full in this
business!
thanks for the correction Barry... are you crossing the atlantic for
THE fly in?
how can I get a hold of your newletter? should I send a direct email
to someone? or is it too late...
Thank you, and some day we'll have to discuss the history of YV-ABE,
later on YV-515P, wich eventually was empounded by US authorities in
Miami in 1982 or 83... (a long story) I also remember that he bought it
in Oklahoma early 70's. My father past away last year and I'm still
sorting through his stuff...
Peter Bichier
On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Barry Collman wrote:
Hi All,
Just so that there's no confusion, Peter needs to get to
Bethany-Wiley Post (PWA), not Tulsa!
I'd hate for anyone to miss the festivities ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
as jb mentioned the Marriott rooms are going fast! I just booked my room and they
claimed only 2 rooms left for the TCFG. I did get the 109 rate!
as I have also mentioned I'm not a member, but hopefully I'll catch up there. The
link for membership doesn't work from this end...
really looking forward to see and hear those tough birds and all you guys behind
it!
May be some of the newsletters could be brought for the newcomers [Wink]
If the commercial flights get on time, I should be in OKC around 13:00 and hopefully
sharp for registration and more to see some of those birds landing!
I'll have a rental with me, and since I should be alone, I'll be glad to share
it w. those coming the right way 8)
Peter Bichier (734) 355-4820
Now, I can say N5462Z (560) ex owner's son :?
--------
Peter 560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1108#201108
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Barry, I just discovered the former US registration for my Canadian
GISS, it was N77WD, what history do you have on it?
Tom.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Information from one of our members.? The meetings will be held in the CE Cage
Bldg.? and information on where to park will be sent in a separate email.?
By the way, today is the deadline for booking rooms at the Marriott and there are
only 2 more rooms left under the group rate of $109.? After that the price
ranges from $150-$199/night.?
Also, we need to get your registrations so we can let the caterers know.
Looking forward to seeing y'all in Oklahoma next month.
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Hudgins <mike(at)genesisaircraft.com>
Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:47 am
Subject: OKC
Hiya Jim Bob!
?
Might want to inform the members that the Servicenter has (2) locations at KWPA.
I am assuming that the event will be held at the North facility which is also
the FBO. It's the old Single Engine Commander factory and is a nice facility
with a huge ramp area.?You are probably aware of all this already..just thought
I'd bring it up.? One more thing...the Servicenter fuel prices average about
$1.00 a gallon LESS than Atlantic Aviation, the other FBO. We base our Westwind
there and at 230 gph it adds up!
?
Wondered why it says that Wiley Post is an uncontrolled airport? Perhaps you were
referring to uncontrolled gossip, rumors, innuendo, etc. that seem to exist
at most airports!? HA!?
?
If you haven't been to the Waterford Marriott it is the finest hotel for $109.00
you'll ever visit. A huge bargain and only 12 minutes from the airport.
?
Hope to see you here. Bricktown is a big entertainment district downtown? has all
the usual restaurants, theaters bars and of course more bars.
?
Mike
?
?
Michael Hudgins
Genesis Aircraft Marketing
5909 NW Expressway? Suite 102
Oklahoma City, OK? 73132
405.470.1871/1872 fax
405.834.2975 cell
www.genesisaircraft.com?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Membership/Vendor Directory |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the
Membership and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes, additions or
suggestions please let us know by September 1st.
Thanks,
~jb
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-----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Membership/Vendor Directory |
jb=2C hope you can get a new picture of N70QT (formally 2001M). tnx gmc
DirectoryDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 11:11:48 -0400From: yourtcfg(at)aol.comHi Al
l=2C We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membe
rship and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes=2C additions or sugges
tions please let us know by September 1st. Thanks=2C~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Tom,
Send us a picture and we'll be sure to include.?
thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Mason,
Barry took some shots last year so hopefully we have a good one of your plane.?
But you could always send us one to include.?
Thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:53 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
jb, hope you can get a new picture of N70QT (formally 2001M). tnx gmc
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:11:48 -0400
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
Did already, I guess I want you to confirm that you still have it and in
fact are going to use it.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Tom,
Send us a picture and we'll be sure to include.
thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the
Membership and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes, additions or
suggestions please let us know by September 1st.
Thanks,
~jb
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Tom,
Would you mind resending.? We had our laptop stolen and lost a lot of our pictures
-- guess that's a lesson in needing to back up everything.?
Thanks,
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:46 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Did already, I guess I want you to confirm that you still have it and in fact are
going to use it.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Tom,
Send us a picture and we'll be sure to include.?
thanks!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 8:19 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
I hope you get the image of GISS in there this year.
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:11 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Membership/Vendor Directory
Hi All,
We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membership and
Vendor Directory.? If you have any changes, additions or suggestions please let
us know by September 1st.?
Thanks,
~jb
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Membership/Vendor Directory |
just got it out of paint shop.
dor DirectoryDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 13:36:09 -0400From: yourtcfg(at)aol.comM
ason=2C Barry took some shots last year so hopefully we have a good one of
your plane. But you could always send us one to include. Thanks!-----Orig
inal Message-----From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>To: commander-list
@matronics.comSent: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 8:53 amSubject: RE: Commander-List:
Membership/Vendor Directory
jb=2C hope you can get a new picture of N70QT (formally 2001M). tnx gmc
DirectoryDate: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 11:11:48 -0400From: yourtcfg(at)aol.comHi Al
l=2C We're preparing to update and publish this year's version of the Membe
rship and Vendor Directory. If you have any changes=2C additions or sugges
tions please let us know by September 1st. Thanks=2C~jb
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Membership/Vendor Directory |
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Membership/Vendor Directory |
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Which shop? Mine needs paint! I will miss the fly in this year=2C but will
make the next one for sure.Craig
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| Subject: | Flight Levels magazine |
Hi Guys,
Just a word of "warning".
I've just received my copy of "Flight Levels", the Summer 2008, Volume
13 No.3 and one of the first things I've looked for in recent issues has
been the piece on Commander history.
Quite some while ago, I was asked if I'd help with this planned series
of short articles and, of course, I agreed.
In return, I was to be sent a CD-ROM with a good number of photos,
presumably taken by Bill Thompson.
The CD-ROM never arrived and I've never been asked for help.
A couple of subsequent emails to the guy editing this section have gone
totally unanswered.
In the absence of any definite reason, I can only assume that Bill
Thompson, the supplier of the photos, has placed an embargo on me
getting a copy of the disk and is relying on his "knowledge" to tell you
all about Commander history.
Why? Goodness knows.
However, although his photos are of real quality, I regret I cannot say
the same about his knowledge of Commander history.
Frankly, I'm not impressed.
Was the prototype really called the "IL-3805"? I think not.
Was the first Model 520 Certificated some 8 months before it was
completed? I think not.
Although the GO-435-C2B was used, it was not until later in production.
First examples had the GO-435-C2.
The 520 isn't "distinguished by its large curved engine nacelles ... and
exhaust augmenters", but by its fin not being swept.
What a pity that such a historical photo, the 520 taking off on its
first flight, is sized just a tad bigger than a postage stamp.
Might be best to cut this section out before these errors are treated as
gospel ;-)
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Flight Levels magazine |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
The CD-ROM never arrived and I've never been asked for
help.
A couple of subsequent emails to the guy editing this
section have gone totally unanswered.
In the absence of any definite reason, I can only assume
that Bill Thompson, the supplier of the photos, has placed an embargo on me
getting a copy of the disk and is relying on his "knowledge" to tell you all
about Commander history.
Why? Goodness knows.
Sir Barry,
I presume you're asking a rhetorical question, or, you're using your refined British
understatement for diplomatic effect.
The reason they did not ask your help is horribly obvious ... as it the result
of TCAC's policy of ignoring any resource outside of their kingdom walls.
Wing Commander Gordon,
Banished since 1996
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 2:34 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Flight Levels magazine
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| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> OK - that's neat!
>
> When you're next with the 680F, could you make a note of the Manufacturer's
Aircraft Association Plate Number?
> This will be a six-digit number at the foot of the Serial Number plate.
>
> I already have this number for the 690A, being 479331.
>
> Your help will be much appreciated.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
the number under the serial number is 203 in serial #680F-969-27
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1474#201474
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Hi Andrew,
I really don't want to put you to too much trouble here, but I think "203" is
the Production Certificate number.
The number I'm after is the 6-digit one at the very bottom of the plate.
If the surrounding examples I've recorded already are anything to go by, the
first three digits could well be "270".
However, that is by no means certain!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Owners
|
|
| barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
| > Hi Andrew,
| >
| > OK - that's neat!
| >
| > When you're next with the 680F, could you make a note of the
Manufacturer's Aircraft Association Plate Number?
| > This will be a six-digit number at the foot of the Serial Number plate.
| >
| > I already have this number for the 690A, being 479331.
| >
| > Your help will be much appreciated.
| >
| > Best Regards,
| > Barry
| >
| > ---
|
|
| the number under the serial number is 203 in serial #680F-969-27
|
| --------
| Andrew P Geraghty
| Corona CA
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I really don't want to put you to too much trouble here, but I think "203" is
> the Production Certificate number.
>
> The number I'm after is the 6-digit one at the very bottom of the plate.
>
> If the surrounding examples I've recorded already are anything to go by, the
> first three digits could well be "270".
> However, that is by no means certain!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
I will try to find that number for you
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1566#201566
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I really don't want to put you to too much trouble here, but I think "203" is
> the Production Certificate number.
>
> The number I'm after is the 6-digit one at the very bottom of the plate.
>
> If the surrounding examples I've recorded already are anything to go by, the
> first three digits could well be "270".
> However, that is by no means certain!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
I will try to find that number for you
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1567#201567
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "apg86" <apg86(at)hotmail.com> |
[quote="apg86"]
barry.collman(at)air-brit wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I really don't want to put you to too much trouble here, but I think "203" is
> the Production Certificate number.
>
> The number I'm after is the 6-digit one at the very bottom of the plate.
>
> If the surrounding examples I've recorded already are anything to go by, the
> first three digits could well be "270".
> However, that is by no means certain!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> ---
I took the pictures at Riverside airport KRAL looks like could be airplane Jack
Chapell is involved with
--------
Andrew P Geraghty
Corona CA
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2072#202072
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello everyone, I plan to be at the flyin this year and will be traveling i
n my 500B (N69PT) which is for sale. Anyone interested just give me a call.
=0ASee you there,=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
Could I get the specifics?
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: N69PT
Hello everyone, I plan to be at the flyin this year and will be traveling i
n my 500B (N69PT) which is for sale. Anyone interested just give me a call.
See you there,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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| Subject: | looking for N5462Z pictures: 560 straight s/n 211 |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hello every one,
I recently introduced myself to the group, and looking forward to seen you all
at this great anniversary :D
I have interchanged few emails with some of you and in just a couple of weeks I
have learn quite a bit.
My brother and I are looking for pictures of N5462Z, a 560 straight s#211.
My father flew with it commercially in Venezuela & the Caribbean from '72 to '84.
a few years ago (as of feb'03) Chris Wall, Frits Abbing, & Harry Merritt interchanged
parts and pictures of the carcass.
Would you by any chance still have those pictures somewhere? you'll make two sentimental
fools happy if you are able to swing them our way again!
thanks a lot in advance and if you could even share with us what happened to the
project N5462Z, we would also appreciate it.
How much of her is still in Dallas?
Muchas Gracias,
en memoria del Capt. JJB (Cachimbo Bravo)
--------
Peter 560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2159#202159
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: looking for N5462Z pictures: 560 straight s/n 211 |
Peter,
I checked my previous emails but no pictures of the N5462Z and/or other details.
Sorry.
Frits Abbing
N2782B
--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Peter Bichier wrote:
> From: Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
> Subject: Commander-List: looking for N5462Z pictures: 560 straight s/n 211
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 6:40 PM
> Bichier"
>
> Hello every one,
>
> I recently introduced myself to the group, and looking
> forward to seen you all at this great anniversary :D
>
> I have interchanged few emails with some of you and in just
> a couple of weeks I have learn quite a bit.
>
> My brother and I are looking for pictures of N5462Z, a 560
> straight s#211.
> My father flew with it commercially in Venezuela & the
> Caribbean from '72 to '84.
>
> a few years ago (as of feb'03) Chris Wall, Frits
> Abbing, & Harry Merritt interchanged parts and pictures
> of the carcass.
>
> Would you by any chance still have those pictures
> somewhere? you'll make two sentimental fools happy if
> you are able to swing them our way again!
>
> thanks a lot in advance and if you could even share with us
> what happened to the project N5462Z, we would also
> appreciate it.
>
> How much of her is still in Dallas?
>
> Muchas Gracias,
>
> en memoria del Capt. JJB (Cachimbo Bravo)
>
> --------
> Peter 560 Dreamer
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2159#202159
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Flight Levels magazine |
Just send them a herd of Camels or goats!!!
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
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get the specifics?=0A-=0AFrom:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
=0ASent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:53 AM=0ATo: commander-list@matronics
.com=0ASubject: Commander-List: N69PT=0A-=0AHello everyone, I plan to be
at the flyin this year and will be traveling in my 500B (N69PT) which is fo
r sale. Anyone interested just give me a call.=0ASee you there,=0A-=0ADon
nie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A-=0A-=0A -=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.c
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Who is "8AJ"?
He came through (CYVR)here but I did not get to him in time.
Tom
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "tjyak50" <tomjohnson(at)cox.net> |
By any chance does anybody have a scanned copy of a POH for a 690 or similar variant
that can be emailed?
I have a friend considering a purchase and we wanted to review the POH.
tomjohnson(at)cox.net
Thanks in advance.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3075#203075
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Hi Tom,
I cannot be certain, but am reasonably sure that your "8AJ" is a Model
690B, s/n 11458.
This is currently owned by Cascadian I LLC., of Bellevue, Washington so
not a million miles away from you!
I cannot trace another Commander with "8AJ" as the last three of what
would be the call sign.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 8AJ
Who is "8AJ"?
He came through (CYVR)here but I did not get to him in time.
Tom
C-GISS
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
Well, I tried to get to the flyin, but my mom is celebrating her 90th
birthday in Cape Town and we are flying out on the very weekend of the flyin
to be with her. If I may quote her, "there aren't going to be many of those
left for me, so you better get your butt over here."
Next year will have to do.
Thanks
Nico
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
Nico, Had the pleasure to visit Cape Town and South Africa earlier this year
and just was amazed at how beautiful that area is. The people were friendly
and Cape point was just Awsome! Hope to go back again someday. Also went to
Kruger National Park and again was just amazed at the animals and the beauty.
Gil
**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog,
plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Ah, it is indeed a lovely place. Pity communism is wrecking the
infrastructure. But, not much of the people's warmth has been damaged.
Thanks for sharing.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flyin
Nico, Had the pleasure to visit Cape Town and South Africa earlier this year
and just was amazed at how beautiful that area is. The people were friendly
and Cape point was just Awsome! Hope to go back again someday. Also went to
Kruger National Park and again was just amazed at the animals and the
beauty. Gil
_____
Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the
latest fall trends and hair
<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014> styles at
StyleList.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Thanks Barry, as always you have the info.
I am still going to send you images of my data plate, I took the picture
awhile ago but lost it in my computer.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Hi Tom,
I cannot be certain, but am reasonably sure that your "8AJ" is a Model
690B, s/n 11458.
This is currently owned by Cascadian I LLC., of Bellevue, Washington
so not a million miles away from you!
I cannot trace another Commander with "8AJ" as the last three of what
would be the call sign.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 8AJ
Who is "8AJ"?
He came through (CYVR)here but I did not get to him in time.
Tom
C-GISS
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
OK Tom - thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Thanks Barry, as always you have the info.
I am still going to send you images of my data plate, I took the
picture awhile ago but lost it in my computer.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Hi Tom,
I cannot be certain, but am reasonably sure that your "8AJ" is a
Model 690B, s/n 11458.
This is currently owned by Cascadian I LLC., of Bellevue, Washington
so not a million miles away from you!
I cannot trace another Commander with "8AJ" as the last three of
what would be the call sign.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 8AJ
Who is "8AJ"?
He came through (CYVR)here but I did not get to him in time.
Tom
C-GISS
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Barry-
Are you looking for photo's of all dataplates?
The dataplate is about the only original part left on our commander. I'll
take a pic if you want it.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
OK Tom - thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom <mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Thanks Barry, as always you have the info.
I am still going to send you images of my data plate, I took the picture
awhile ago but lost it in my computer.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Hi Tom,
I cannot be certain, but am reasonably sure that your "8AJ" is a Model 690B,
s/n 11458.
This is currently owned by Cascadian I LLC., of Bellevue, Washington so not
a million miles away from you!
I cannot trace another Commander with "8AJ" as the last three of what would
be the call sign.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom <mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Fisher
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 8AJ
Who is "8AJ"?
He came through (CYVR)here but I did not get to him in time.
Tom
C-GISS
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Robert,
Yes, I'm trying to gather as much info as possible on the Plate Number.
This is the 6-digit number at the very bottom of the plate.
However, although I already know the plate number of your 685, being
414012, but if you can find time to take a shot and send it to me, then
I'll be most grateful.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:55 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 8AJ
Barry-
Are you looking for photo's of all dataplates?
The dataplate is about the only original part left on our commander.
I'll take a pic if you want it.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:13 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
OK Tom - thanks!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Thanks Barry, as always you have the info.
I am still going to send you images of my data plate, I took the
picture awhile ago but lost it in my computer.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 8AJ
Hi Tom,
I cannot be certain, but am reasonably sure that your "8AJ" is a
Model 690B, s/n 11458.
This is currently owned by Cascadian I LLC., of Bellevue,
Washington so not a million miles away from you!
I cannot trace another Commander with "8AJ" as the last three of
what would be the call sign.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 8AJ
Who is "8AJ"?
He came through (CYVR)here but I did not get to him in time.
Tom
C-GISS
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comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Useful tool for some Commander pilots |
Hi all,
I realize that this tool is specific to the auto industry, but I'm sure
with minor effort we can get it certified for aviation. I know that it
would certainly fix a few yoke-related problems at my home airport:
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_reviews_info&products_id=12&reviews_id=7
/John
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
The flyin is only about a week away.? I want to invite all of you on the list to
attend.?Most of you are not members of the TCFG and this is a great opportunity
for you to meet all of us.? The seminars are great.? Sue will be posting the
speaker list soon.? We really want to meet?you.? Make it a priority to carve?out
a 60 hour block of time and come to OK where it all began!!!!!!!? It will
be a great history lesson.? We will be making a trip to visit the proto?type
Commander, the one that started it all!!? Lots of great fun, important information,
and FOOD!!!!? We do this flyin FOR YOU!!!??Lets make this one the best
yet.? jb?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
G=B9day Folks,
To echo Captain JIMBOB=B9S challenge to us all...get along...what a great
opportunity to meet list contributors at the birthplace of the Twin
Commander.
Come on and join in the fun...all of us should make it a priority this
year...change your programs around and bring your Commanders.
Jim and Sue put a heck of an effort into what always turns out to be a most
informative and fun event!!...great value for what you get...
I will be bringing my son Ryan this year...he will be my partner in our
first Commander purchase.
See you there
Cheers
Russell
On 10/9/08 2:42 PM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote:
> HI KIDS.
>
> The flyin is only about a week away. I want to invite all of you on the
list
> to attend. Most of you are not members of the TCFG and this is a great
> opportunity for you to meet all of us. The seminars are great. Sue will
be
> posting the speaker list soon. We really want to meet you. Make it a
> priority to carve out a 60 hour block of time and come to OK where it all
> began!!!!!!! It will be a great history lesson. We will be making a tri
p to
> visit the proto type Commander, the one that started it all!! Lots of gr
eat
> fun, important information, and FOOD!!!! We do this flyin FOR YOU!!! Le
ts
> make this one the best yet. jb
>
> Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate
> guide to fall TV
> <http://television.aol.com/feature/fall_tv?ncid=aoletv00050000000037> .
>
>
>
>
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
here=2C here! gmc
nly about a week away. I want to invite all of you on the list to attend.
Most of you are not members of the TCFG and this is a great opportunity for
you to meet all of us. The seminars are great. Sue will be posting the s
peaker list soon. We really want to meet you. Make it a priority to carve
out a 60 hour block of time and come to OK where it all began!!!!!!! It w
ill be a great history lesson. We will be making a trip to visit the proto
type Commander=2C the one that started it all!! Lots of great fun=2C impo
rtant information=2C and FOOD!!!! We do this flyin FOR YOU!!! Lets make t
his one the best yet. jb
Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate g
uide to fall TV.
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| Subject: | Re: Useful tool for some Commander pilots |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
I'm ordering my 5 right now!
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 6:58 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Useful tool for some Commander pilots
?
Hi all,?
?
I realize that this tool is specific to the auto industry, but I'm sure
with minor effort we can get it certified for aviation. I know that it
would certainly fix a few yoke-related problems at my home airport:?
?
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_reviews_info&products_id=12&reviews_id=7?
?
/John?
?
?
?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Hey Commander Enthusiasts
Here's the schedule for the upcoming Fly-In next week (subject to change of
course).=C2- As you can see we have a great mix of speakers and some fun a
ctivities.=C2- Plus the people you get to meet are awesome!!!=C2- Anyway
, if you haven't made plans to come, rearrange your schedule and join us for
tons of fun!!!!
=C2-
Thursday, Septemer 18, 2008
3:00 =93 8:30pm=C2- Registration
6:30 =93 8:30pm=C2- Welcome BBQ Dinner
=C2-
FRIDAY, September 19, 2008
=C2-8:30 =93 9:00am=C2-=C2- =C2-Breakfast
=C2-9:00 =93 9:15am=C2-=C2- =C2-Welcome/Announcements
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2- Jim Metzger
9:15 =93 10:00am=C2- =C2-=C2-Exhaust Systems
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2- John McCreay, Wall Colmono
y Corp
10:00 =93 10:15am=C2- Break
10:15 =93 11:00am=C2- Commander Aero Update
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- John Bosch
11:00 =93 11:45am=C2- Commander Parts & Vendors
=C2-=C2- Dennis Snow, Legacy Aviation
12:00 =93 1:00pm=C2-=C2-=C2- Lunch
1:00 =93 1:45pm=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Aircraft Titles, Escrows
and International Reg
istration
=C2-=C2- Kim Thompson, Powell Aircraft Title Services
1:45 =93 2:45pm=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Q&A=C2- Maintenance Pa
nel
3:00pm=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Leave for Bricktown
4:00 =93 5:00pm=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-Canal Boat Ride tour
5:00 -=C2- ???=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2- =C2-Explore Bricktown and Dinner on your own
=C2-
Saturday, September 20, 2008
8:30 =93 9:00am=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-Breakfast
9:00 =93 10:00am=C2-=C2- Fuel Issues
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2- John Towner, Central Air
10:00 =93 10:15am=C2- Break
10:15 =93 11:00am=C2- New FAA Proposal re Obsolete Parts & Orphan Ty
pe Certs
=C2-=C2- Morris Kernick, Commander Services
11:00 =93 11:45am=C2- Turbine Commander Maintenance & Upgrades
=C2-=C2- Russ Hampton, The Servicenter
12:00 =93 12:45pm=C2- Lunch
12:45 =93 2:00pm=C2-=C2-=C2- Aero Commander History =93 60
Years
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2- Bill McGinnis
2:15pm=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-Leave to visit Prototype
=C2-
6:30-10:00=C2- Dinner & Auction
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2- =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Featuring Ron Smith (Te
d Smith=E
2s son) as guest speaker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | willis robison <drwer2(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Useful tool for some Commander pilots |
I got mine last week and lost 4 of them on the cockpit floor on short final
.
-
--------------
" Just show up"
-
drwer2
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Keith S. Gordon wrote:
From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Useful tool for some Commander pilots
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 8:27 AM
I'm ordering my 5 right now!
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 6:58 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Useful tool for some Commander pilots
-
Hi all,-
-
I realize that this tool is specific to the auto industry, but I'm sure wit
h minor effort we can get it certified for aviation. I know that it would c
ertainly fix a few yoke-related problems at my home airport:-
-
http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main_page=product_reviews_info&products_i
d=12&reviews_id=7-
-
/John-
-
-
-
Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate g
uide to fall TV.
=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Good thing the fly in isn't this weekend
>From AOPA:
==> ATTENTION PILOTS TFR DETAILS
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3798#203798
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| From: | Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> |
Bruce, did you recv my email? =0A=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows
.microsoft.com>=0ATo: "commander-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 10:33:48 AM=0ASubject: RE: Comm
ander-List: N69PT=0A=0A=0ACould I get the specifics?=0A-=0AFrom:owner-com
mander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matron
ics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose=0ASent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 7:53
AM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Commander-List: N69PT=0A
-=0AHello everyone, I plan to be at the flyin this year and will be trave
ling in my 500B (N69PT) which is for sale. Anyone interested just give me a
call.=0ASee you there,=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A-=0A-=0A
-=0A -=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0Ahttp://for
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Only a few more days until our big Fly-In.? Can't wait to see all you Commander
Enthusiasts again as we celebrate the 60th Anniversary of the Aero Commander.?
Looks like we'll have perfect weather so hop in your Commander, your car, a
commercial flight, bus or train and come join us.?
Remember to bring an item for our Auction Saturday night.?
~Capt Jim Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
I have ended up with an extra room for the fly in.- If anyone wants it be
fore I let it go back please let me know.- The room is $109 plus taxes.
- I will hold it until Wednesday night.
-
dan farmer
719 332 5601=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Can't get to the flyin=2C but I'm trying to see if my email will go through
using the reply feature. I'v sent 2 emails=2C one yesterday=2C and one tod
ay and they have'nt
come through on my server as yet.
Roland Gilliam
Date: Mon=2C 15 Sep 2008 19:25:03 -0700From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.comSubject
: Commander-List: TCFG hotel roomTo: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
I have ended up with an extra room for the fly in. If anyone wants it befo
re I let it go back please let me know. The room is $109 plus taxes. I wi
ll hold it until Wednesday night.
dan farmer
719 332 5601
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| From: | willis robison <drwer2(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Registration and Owner history |
Im trying to research the ownership history of a particular aircraft. Is th
is information available through the FAA? Is it accessible to the public? I
f so, can anyone explain how to research this.
-
thanks in advance.
-
drwer2=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Registration and Owner history |
| From: | craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net |
The faa provides all ownership as public records.
Craig
------Original Message------
From: willis robison
Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sep 18, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Registration and Owner history
Im trying to research the ownership history of a particular aircraft. Is this information
available through the FAA? Is it accessible to the public? If so, can
anyone explain how to research this.
thanks in advance.
drwer2
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Registration and Owner history |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
True, but Sir Barry Collman has probably already done the complete historical research
on your desired serial number.? That's what he does.? Currently, he's
in the U.S., visiting from England, attending the Twin Commander Fly-In.
Wing Commander Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: craigk391(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Registration and Owner history
The faa provides all ownership as public records.
Craig
------Original Message------
From: willis robison
Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sep 18, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Registration and Owner history
Im trying to research the ownership history of a particular aircraft. Is this
information available through the FAA? Is it accessible to the public? If so,
can anyone explain how to research this.
?
thanks in advance.
?
drwer2
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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| Subject: | Re: Registration and Owner history |
| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
Which aircraft?
------Original Message------
From: willis robison
Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
ReplyTo: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sep 18, 2008 10:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Registration and Owner history
Im trying to research the ownership history of a particular aircraft. Is this information
available through the FAA? Is it accessible to the public? If so, can
anyone explain how to research this.
thanks in advance.
drwer2
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH, I need to start
cranking in right rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder itself.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aerodynamics |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Tom,
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim, both roll and yaw trim
is done via rudder.?
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny correction since
you only notice what I think is left roll at high speed).?? Aileron rigging
would then be the next and more difficult thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be trying
to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and flight planning
-- which I must do right now.?
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 9:11 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH, I need to
start cranking in right rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder
itself.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aerodynamics |
Dear Commander Folks:
As always the event was most enjoyable. Also, as could be expected my
Commander got me home safe and sound.
While speaking to Jack Chappell's daughter, I failed to get her contact
information. Could anyone please help me in this regard.
A special big thanks to JB for presenting me with the Golden Pedal
Award. As I was driving back from N19 to my house I saw my neighbor out
in his yard. You can't believe how impressed he, his wife, and two
daughters were when I explained to them that in order to get the award
that:
A. I had to have the best paint job and ramp appearance of any Commander
there
B. That I won the 20 mile pylon race
C. I won the Commander knowledge contest
D. Ditto the ground handling contest
E. Ditto the beer drinking contest at The Wormy Dog
Our fearless leaders presentation of this award to me has elevated my
standing in our new community an almost immeasurable amount. Later
today, my neighbors wife is calling The Farmington Daily News to insist
that they do a human interest article on me including a photo of me and
the Golden Pedal.
Again, thanks!
Moe Mills
Current holder of the Golden Pedal Award
N680RR
680Fp
From: Keith S. Gordon
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
Tom,
Since the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim, both roll and
yaw trim is done via rudder.
I'd check the fixed trim tab on the aileron first (making a tiny
correction since you only notice what I think is left roll at high
speed). Aileron rigging would then be the next and more difficult
thing to do.
If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early and should not be
trying to answer aerodynamics questions instead of checking weather and
flight planning -- which I must do right now.
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 9:11 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH, I need to start
cranking in right rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder itself.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
ditto to all involved w/ the get together @ PWA. thank you. gmc
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: R
e: Commander-List: AerodynamicsDate: Mon=2C 22 Sep 2008 06:08:06 -0700
Dear Commander Folks:
As always the event was most enjoyable. Also=2C as could be expected my Co
mmander got me home safe and sound.
While speaking to Jack Chappell's daughter=2C I failed to get her contact i
nformation. Could anyone please help me in this regard.
A special big thanks to JB for presenting me with the Golden Pedal Award. A
s I was driving back from N19 to my house I saw my neighbor out in his yard
. You can't believe how impressed he=2C his wife=2C and two daughters were
when I explained to them that in order to get the award that:
A. I had to have the best paint job and ramp appearance of any Commander th
ere
B. That I won the 20 mile pylon race
C. I won the Commander knowledge contest
D. Ditto the ground handling contest
E. Ditto the beer drinking contest at The Wormy Dog
Our fearless leaders presentation of this award to me has elevated my stan
ding in our new community an almost immeasurable amount. Later today=2C my
neighbors wife is calling The Farmington Daily News to insist that they do
a human interest article on me including a photo of me and the Golden Peda
l.
Again=2C thanks!
Moe Mills
Current holder of the Golden Pedal Award
N680RR
680Fp
From: Keith S. Gordon
Sent: Monday=2C September 22=2C 2008 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
Tom=2CSince the models 680 and below do not have aileron trim=2C both roll
and yaw trim is done via rudder. I'd check the fixed trim tab on the ailer
on first (making a tiny correction since you only notice what I think is le
ft roll at high speed). Aileron rigging would then be the next and more d
ifficult thing to do.If that doesn't work I can claim that I'm up too early
and should not be trying to answer aerodynamics questions instead of check
ing weather and flight planning -- which I must do right now. Best=2CWing
Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>To
: commander-list(at)matronics.comSent: Sun=2C 21 Sep 2008 9:11 pmSubject: Comm
ander-List: Aerodynamics
An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH=2C I need to start cranking
in right rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder itself.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | left leaning commanders |
Tom, -I think you-may have one of the few democrat commanders- as you g
o faster and faster consuming more and more fuel ie, money the air craft te
nds to veer more and more to the left and it will take quite a lot more rig
ht rudder to bring the aircraft back to true.-
-
ANOTHER GREAT FLY IN--Thanks to Jim and Sue and all the wonder people at WP
A and the "OLD" commander factory folks.- Very very interesting.- I wis
h all could attend.
Thanks to every one that makes it possible and again the Metzgers are terri
fic--even if- 222JS does have a dirty tail:-))))))))))))))
-
dan farmer
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1. 09:10 PM - Aerodynamics (Tom Fisher)
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Commander-List: Aerodynamics
An aerodynamic question.
As I push the speed over 180MPH to 200 - 250MPH, I need to start
cranking in right rudder to keep trimmed.
I cannot see any asymmetrical issues with the rudder itself.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
I sure had a good time as always. I did learn that you really have to watch
your six O'clock though. People will steal your chicken and well it can end
up a smelly situation, and they will put chocks in front of your wheels when
your back is turned after your preflight. The guys from down under and up
north do things in Hooters you can't believe but I love you all to death
anyway and hope everyone made and make it home safe.
Jim Addington
July 30, 2008 - September 22, 2008
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