Commander-Archive.digest.vol-dg

December 11, 2008 - January 31, 2009



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      N8885D  1964-1972
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From: "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Twin Commander parts wanted
Date: Dec 11, 2008
I may have what you need Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Svendsen To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Commander-List: Twin Commander parts wanted Hi , I need some parts for rebuilding my Twin Commander. It is a 680FL with Serial number 1355-34 The Twin commander will be for static display only , so the parts dont need to be in airworthy condition. I hope that someone in this group has some spare parts to sell or trade , or knows someone who have. Here is my most wanted items for my 1963 model 680FL ___________________________________________________ Nose landing light installation containing: 1 ea 5800005-9 Doubler ,LH 1 ea 5800005-10 Doubler ,RH 1ea 5800005-11 Glass ,LH 1ea 5800005-12 Glass ,RH 1ea 5800005-19 Housing assy ,LH 1ea 5800005-20 Housing assy ,RH ____________________________________________________ 1ea 5330117 Window Emergency exit 5330113 Window Emergency exit (Alternative Part number) ____________________________________________________ 1ea 5870571-23 Base panel (which is situated over the three instrument panels) 5870571-19 (Alternative Part number) ____________________________________________________ 10ea B4855-1 Light shield ,eyebrow 2ea B4752-1 Light shield ,eyebrow ____________________________________________________ 1ea 5530215-5 Cover , Medallion ____________________________________________________ 1ea ? ? Weather Radar indicator (which came with installation of Chamberlain 2001X nose Radome) Send me a mail tomsvendsen(at)hotmail.com Regards Tom Svendsen 680FL 1355-34 N6355U 1963-1964 N8885D 1964-1972 LN-LMM 1972-1992.wfu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Twin Commander parts wanted
Date: Dec 12, 2008
Tom, You might try Kristi Stelle (Jack Chappell's daughter). She has an unbelievable supply of old Commander parts. Her email is kstelle(at)sbcglobal.net. Moe N680RR 680Fo From: Tom Svendsen Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: Commander-List: Twin Commander parts wanted Hi , I need some parts for rebuilding my Twin Commander. It is a 680FL with Serial number 1355-34 The Twin commander will be for static display only , so the parts dont need to be in airworthy condition. I hope that someone in this group has some spare parts to sell or trade , or knows someone who have. Here is my most wanted items for my 1963 model 680FL ___________________________________________________ Nose landing light installation containing: 1 ea 5800005-9 Doubler ,LH 1 ea 5800005-10 Doubler ,RH 1ea 5800005-11 Glass ,LH 1ea 5800005-12 Glass ,RH 1ea 5800005-19 Housing assy ,LH 1ea 5800005-20 Housing assy ,RH ____________________________________________________ 1ea 5330117 Window Emergency exit 5330113 Window Emergency exit (Alternative Part number) ____________________________________________________ 1ea 5870571-23 Base panel (which is situated over the three instrument panels) 5870571-19 (Alternative Part number) ____________________________________________________ 10ea B4855-1 Light shield ,eyebrow 2ea B4752-1 Light shield ,eyebrow ____________________________________________________ 1ea 5530215-5 Cover , Medallion ____________________________________________________ 1ea ? ? Weather Radar indicator (which came with installation of Chamberlain 2001X nose Radome) Send me a mail tomsvendsen(at)hotmail.com Regards Tom Svendsen 680FL 1355-34 N6355U 1963-1964 N8885D 1964-1972 LN-LMM 1972-1992.wfu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Statue to flying?
Date: Dec 14, 2008
Statue to flying? I wonder if this thing would stay up in a storm. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Fw: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
Date: Dec 25, 2008
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone. (Even Milt.) Steve Welebny ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 25, 2008
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS.? I also want to remind everyone that this is a celibration of the birthday of?our risen savior, Praise GOD!!? Yes, I know he was not really?born in the winter and that many other?myths surround his birth.? But all of that aside, this is a time that we set aside to honor him.? God gave each of us an opportunity to have eternal life in the?presence of the creator?of the universe.? That plan has Jesus at its center and today we celibate his coming to earth as a baby.??My Christmas prayer is that where ever you are, what ever your beliefs are, that you will take a moment to reflect on?why the world?stops what it is doing and honored this day.??Merry Christmas to all!!? Remember that God created the guys who created the Aero Commander!!??Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 25, 2008
Merry Christmas to all and thank you for a real Christmas message. American needs to return to it's fundamental basic Christian values .Those values are the foundation of our free society . God bless America.N690DB From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. I also want to remind everyone that this is a celibration of the birthday of our risen savior, Praise GOD!! Yes, I know he was not really born in the winter and that many other myths surround his birth. But all of that aside, this is a time that we set aside to honor him. God gave each of us an opportunity to have eternal life in the presence of the creator of the universe. That plan has Jesus at its center and today we celibate his coming to earth as a baby. My Christmas prayer is that where ever you are, what ever your beliefs are, that you will take a moment to reflect on why the world stops what it is doing and honored this day. Merry Christmas to all!! Remember that God created the guys who created the Aero Commander!! Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations - including songs for the holidays - FREE while you browse. Start <http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013> Listening Now! Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 10:09 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 25, 2008
Cap'n JimBob.....I join you in wishing all a Happy Holiday to all including those poor souls who spent much of it stuck in airports or highway rest stops due to the crazy weather from coast to coast & border to border. I also concur that GOD must have created the men who created the Aero Commander.....but that begs the question: who created the men that created the FAA????? Dan the snow covered Desert Duck ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. I also want to remind everyone that this is a celibration of the birthday of our risen savior, Praise GOD!! Yes, I know he was not really born in the winter and that many other myths surround his birth. But all of that aside, this is a time that we set aside to honor him. God gave each of us an opportunity to have eternal life in the presence of the creator of the universe. That plan has Jesus at its center and today we celibate his coming to earth as a baby. My Christmas prayer is that where ever you are, what ever your beliefs are, that you will take a moment to reflect on why the world stops what it is doing and honored this day. Merry Christmas to all!! Remember that God created the guys who created the Aero Commander!! Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations - including songs for the holidays - FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 25, 2008
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!! jb -----Original Message----- From: nick(at)container.com Sent: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 9:12 am Subject: RE: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL Merry Christmas to all and thank you for a real Christmas message. American needs to return to it=99s fundamental basic Christian values .Those va lues are the foundation of our free society . God bless AmericaN690 DB =C2- =C2- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL =C2- I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS.=C2- I also want to remin d everyone that this is a celibration of the birthday of=C2-our risen savi or, Praise GOD!!=C2- Yes, I know he was not really=C2-born in the winter and that many other=C2-myths surround his birth.=C2- But all of that as ide, this is a time that we set aside to honor him.=C2- God gave each of u s an opportunity to have eternal life in the=C2-presence of the creator =C2-of the universe.=C2- That plan has Jesus at its center and today we celibate his coming to earth as a baby.=C2-=C2-My Christmas prayer is th at where ever you are, what ever your beliefs are, that you will take a mome nt to reflect on=C2-why the world=C2-stops what it is doing and honored this day.=C2-=C2-Merry Christmas to all!!=C2- Remember that God create d the guys who created the Aero Commander!!=C2-=C2-Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Grou p=C2- =C2- Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations =93 including song s for the holidays =93 FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com Internal Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 12/19/2008 10:09 AM - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= the Contribution link below to find out more about -= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! - -= List Contribution Web Site: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution - -= Thank you for your generous support! - -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - -======================== -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, - Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 25, 2008
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
OH MY!!!=C2- I can truly say that you have identified a=C2-significant b iblical mystery.=C2- I shall=C2-ponder this question for some time.=C2 - Merry Christmas.=C2- jb=C2- but that begs the question: who created the men that created the FAA????? -----Original Message----- From: Dan Brady <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net> Sent: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL Cap'n JimBob.....I join you in wishing all a Happy Holiday to all including those poor souls who spent much of it stuck in airports or highway rest stop s due to the crazy weather from coast to coast & border to border. I also co ncur that GOD must have created the men who created the Aero Commander.....b ut that begs the question: who created the men that created the FAA????? Dan the snow covered Desert Duck ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS.=C2- I also want to remin d everyone that this is a celibration of the birthday of=C2-our risen savi or, Praise GOD!!=C2- Yes, I know he was not really=C2-born in the winter and that many other=C2-myths surround his birth.=C2- But all of that as ide, this is a time that we set aside to honor him.=C2- God gave each of u s an opportunity to have eternal life in the=C2-presence of the creator =C2-of the universe.=C2- That plan has Jesus at its center and today we celibate his coming to earth as a baby.=C2-=C2-My Christmas prayer is that where ever you are, what ever your beliefs are, that you will take a moment to reflect on=C2-why the wor ld=C2-stops what it is doing and honored this day.=C2-=C2-Merry Christ mas to all!!=C2- Remember that God created the guys who created the Aero C ommander!!=C2-=C2-Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group=C2 - Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations =93 including song s for the holidays =93 FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chre f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Commander-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chre f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Commander-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - -= -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on -= the Contribution link below to find out more about -= this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts! - -= List Contribution Web Site: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contributi on - -= Thank you for your generous support! - -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - -======================== -= - The Commander-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 26, 2008
A merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year to you all. The celebrations of the former is over and the latter is a week away, but we celebrate the truth behind it all year round. Stay safe, everybody. When we put our shoes on in the morning, we cannot know who will take them off that day. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL OH MY!!! I can truly say that you have identified a significant biblical mystery. I shall ponder this question for some time. Merry Christmas. jb but that begs the question: who created the men that created the FAA????? -----Original Message----- From: Dan Brady <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net> Sent: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 4:51 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL Cap'n JimBob.....I join you in wishing all a Happy Holiday to all including those poor souls who spent much of it stuck in airports or highway rest stops due to the crazy weather from coast to coast & border to border. I also concur that GOD must have created the men who created the Aero Commander.....but that begs the question: who created the men that created the FAA????? Dan the snow covered Desert Duck ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Commander-List: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL I WANT TO WISH ALL OF YOU A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. I also want to remind everyone that this is a celibration of the birthday of our risen savior, Praise GOD!! Yes, I know he was not really born in the winter and that many other myths surround his birth. But all of that aside, this is a time that we set aside to honor him. God gave each of us an opportunity to have eternal life in the presence of the creator of the universe. That plan has Jesus at its center and today we celibate his coming to earth as a baby. My Christmas prayer is that where ever you are, what ever your beliefs are, that you will take a moment to reflect on why the world stops what it is doing and honored this day. Merry Christmas to all!! Remember that God created the guys who created the Aero Commander!! Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations - including songs for the holidays - FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now <http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013> ! http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com ">http://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================== target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ://forums.matronics.com _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations - including songs for the holidays - FREE while you browse. Start <http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000013> Listening Now! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2008
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: my retirement
Yesterday was two months since I last flew a B777 and I was at my local Wal -Mart buying a large bag of Purina Dog Chow for my loyal pet, Sheriff the Wonder Dog, and was in the checkout li ne when the woman behind me asked if I had a dog? What did she think I had, an elephant? So, since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the-Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward w ith tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IV's in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet and that the way it works is to load yo ur pants pockets full with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every ti me you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. - (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story) Horrified, she ask if I ended up in intensive care because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off the curb to sniff an Irish Setters-ass and a car hit us both. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Wal-Mart won't let me shop there anymore. Better watch what you ask retired people. They have all the time in the world to think of crazy things to say. N500DF =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: my retirement
Date: Dec 27, 2008
Hi Dan, Really funny - thanks so much. Here's wishing you a Happy & Peaceful 2009. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:25 PM Subject: Commander-List: my retirement Yesterday was two months since I last flew a B777 and I was at my local Wal-Mart buying a large bag of Purina Dog Chow for my loyal pet, Sheriff the Wonder Dog, and was in the checkout line when the woman behind me asked if I had a dog? What did she think I had, an elephant? So, since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IV's in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet and that the way it works is to load your pants pockets full with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story) Horrified, she ask if I ended up in intensive care because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off the curb to sniff an Irish Setters ass and a car hit us both. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Wal-Mart won't let me shop there anymore. Better watch what you ask retired people. They have all the time in the world to think of crazy things to say. N500DF 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: my retirement
From: john(at)vormbaum.com
Date: Dec 27, 2008
Dan, good boy! Woof! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:46:00 Subject: Re: Commander-List: my retirement This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 29, 2008
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Hoover
I hope this goes through and you can open it. It is long but extremely interesting. Jim A N444BD http://www.airportjournals.com/Display.cfm?varID=0702024 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Date: Dec 29, 2008
Commanders, I always dreamed to be around airplanes, I always thought I would be a pilot and do what my father was doing, somehow it did not work that way. After crossing my path with you, I have been paying much closer attention to aviation and at times wonder if I should just throw every thing over board and start all over again... At least, if I get more serious with it, I certainly know where I would start to ask for advice! It has been such a joy to meet you all, in person for those who came for the FLY IN, & through posts for the rest. Even if it is quite at times, I have also enjoyed reading the archives. I have already said this, but I just wish my father could have shared you all. I just came back from my Mom's, and I snagged a few pictures from the family album; it might help you understand my appreciation for the plane. Through you, I have revived family history and I am in a way "studying" my father and go through what he had to deal once upon a time. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and time; looking forward to seen you next year and hope that you all can survive these difficult times coming ahead. Stay Healthy! http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink Happy New Year 2009! p. -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221758#221758 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 29, 2008
Great photo-story, Peter. Thanks for sharing. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bichier Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL --> Commanders, I always dreamed to be around airplanes, I always thought I would be a pilot and do what my father was doing, somehow it did not work that way. After crossing my path with you, I have been paying much closer attention to aviation and at times wonder if I should just throw every thing over board and start all over again... At least, if I get more serious with it, I certainly know where I would start to ask for advice! It has been such a joy to meet you all, in person for those who came for the FLY IN, & through posts for the rest. Even if it is quite at times, I have also enjoyed reading the archives. I have already said this, but I just wish my father could have shared you all. I just came back from my Mom's, and I snagged a few pictures from the family album; it might help you understand my appreciation for the plane. Through you, I have revived family history and I am in a way "studying" my father and go through what he had to deal once upon a time. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and time; looking forward to seen you next year and hope that you all can survive these difficult times coming ahead. Stay Healthy! http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink Happy New Year 2009! p. -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221758#221758 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Date: Dec 30, 2008
Peter, However you do it, get yourself in the air. Go in as partners on an old Cub, Champ or T-Craft.... Join a local soaring club. Find a local EAA chapter and start putting together something that gives you what you want from aviation. Volunteer at a museum. See a rising dawn in your ultralight. Work part time for a busy mechanic. Work towards an instructor's ticket. It's all good. Don't live with such a regret. There's lots of different ways in. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:33 AM Subject: Commander-List: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL > > > Commanders, > > I always dreamed to be around airplanes, I always thought I would be a > pilot and do what my father was doing, somehow it did not work that way. > > After crossing my path with you, I have been paying much closer attention > to aviation and at times wonder if I should just throw every thing over > board and start all over again... > > At least, if I get more serious with it, I certainly know where I would > start to ask for advice! It has been such a joy to meet you all, in person > for those who came for the FLY IN, & through posts for the rest. Even if > it is quite at times, I have also enjoyed reading the archives. I have > already said this, but I just wish my father could have shared you all. > > I just came back from my Mom's, and I snagged a few pictures from the > family album; it might help you understand my appreciation for the plane. > > Through you, I have revived family history and I am in a way "studying" my > father and go through what he had to deal once upon a time. > > Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and time; looking forward to seen > you next year and hope that you all can survive these difficult times > coming ahead. Stay Healthy! > > http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink > > Happy New Year 2009! > > p. > > -------- > 560 Dreamer > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221758#221758 > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: "dongirod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
Steve; We are going to try and get Peter a little stick time next year. I fly my 560E to Van Wert, Ohio most every July for a family reunion, weather permitting and Peter is only about a hundred miles north or slightly less. We are hopping to get together next year and go flying. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL > > Peter, > > However you do it, get yourself in the air. Go in as partners on an old > Cub, Champ or T-Craft.... Join a local soaring club. Find a local EAA > chapter and start putting together something that gives you what you want > from aviation. Volunteer at a museum. See a rising dawn in your > ultralight. Work part time for a busy mechanic. Work towards an > instructor's ticket. It's all good. Don't live with such a regret. There's > lots of different ways in. > > Steve > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:33 AM > Subject: Commander-List: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL > > >> >> >> Commanders, >> >> I always dreamed to be around airplanes, I always thought I would be a >> pilot and do what my father was doing, somehow it did not work that way. >> >> After crossing my path with you, I have been paying much closer attention >> to aviation and at times wonder if I should just throw every thing over >> board and start all over again... >> >> At least, if I get more serious with it, I certainly know where I would >> start to ask for advice! It has been such a joy to meet you all, in >> person for those who came for the FLY IN, & through posts for the rest. >> Even if it is quite at times, I have also enjoyed reading the archives. I >> have already said this, but I just wish my father could have shared you >> all. >> >> I just came back from my Mom's, and I snagged a few pictures from the >> family album; it might help you understand my appreciation for the plane. >> >> Through you, I have revived family history and I am in a way "studying" >> my father and go through what he had to deal once upon a time. >> >> Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and time; looking forward to >> seen you next year and hope that you all can survive these difficult >> times coming ahead. Stay Healthy! >> >> http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink >> >> Happy New Year 2009! >> >> p. >> >> -------- >> 560 Dreamer >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=221758#221758 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Date: Dec 31, 2008
A very prosperous and blessed New Year to you all. Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
HI KIDS.. I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, Stockton CA (SCK)?to Hollywood FL, (HWO).? This is the same Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer.? That was a long day as well.? I did the entire trip in one day.? I departed the Portland Or (PDX)?airport on Alaska Airline early that morning.? Flew to Anchorage (ANC).? Took a cab to Merrill Field, the GA airport?serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip.? After a preflight, I flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel.? Then, non stop to Kechican AK.? Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across Canada,?to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight.? I slept in my own bed that same?night. Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 then "drifted up"?to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range.? Back down to 13.5Stayed just?South of Tonnapa (sp)?NV to keep clear of all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??)? Flew to Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month,?oops).? Landed at dusk.? Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi?(JAN) 4hr 45min.? Landed at midnight and spent? the night.? I love?flying at night. When? was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night and I miss it.? I dont get enough night time these days.? I?departed?Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark?and made a climbing right turn back over the airport and on course.? I was at 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace.? Climbed to 11.5 and easily cleared the mountain range east of ABQ.? Then, just a little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp)?clearly in view to the so uth.? Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX.? I was?40 or so miles north but the urban sprawl was amazing.? i like to use a flashlight to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, gear droop etc.? No need here.? The lights from the city below illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see.? Next came Shreveport? and then on the Jackson.? I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground.??The tower closed at midnight but the airport was well lit.? To well.? The high intensity lights were almost blinding on flair. The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO.? The old geared engine ran smooth as butter.? Caught an afternoon flight back and was home by 10pm.? just another day at the office!!? Hope everyone has a wonderful new year!!? jb?? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com>
Subject: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Date: Dec 31, 2008
Great read,,thank you and Happy New Yr _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: Commander-List: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT HI KIDS.. I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I slept in my own bed that same night. Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity lights were almost blinding on flair. The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone has a wonderful new year!! jb _____ Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> it Now. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:44 AM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Date: Dec 31, 2008
What a nice holiday wish! What a surprise, the perpetually angry white wealthy guys don't think anything is wrong except with everyone else. It must feel very good to know you're always right about everything, don't make mistakes, and that you hate all the right people. You're the only people who work hard, love their Country and love their Constitution. And God is behind only you. Anyone disagreeing with you is feared, hated, despised as a traitor, or insane. You guys need fear and hate..... Use it, or my gosh.... you might have to bear responsibility and actually have to work with people for solutions. Much easier to blame everything on the gays, or the blacks, or the jews, the democrats, the socialists, the commies..... Seems like we might need to tweak gument a little. Some things didn't work out so good. Though I spose if your main concern is putting gas into your twin-engined aircraft, everything probably looks just fine. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY NEW YEAR Shout it from the mountain tops--HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! Only 20 more days until utopia. The we can all sit on our asses. The gument will take care of all our needs, all we have to do is give it up to the gument, give everything up, our ambitions, our dreams, our liberties, and of course our money. That seems what 53% of this lazy citisionry wants. Please someone just take care of me. There Ive said it. Yes I am pissed that we are running towards European Socialism as they seem to try and reverse course towards more self sufficiency. God Help us from ourselves. df 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: "Robert Feldtman" <bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Subject: Re: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Actullay in Texas we call it Lubbock! Wish I could make a nice flight like this and sell our Commander 500B to someone! They are great to fly! Night or day for me. bobf On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:23 PM, wrote: > HI KIDS.. > I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, Stockton CA > (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same Commander I brought down > from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was a long day as well. I did the > entire trip in one day. I departed the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska > Airline early that morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill > Field, the GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a > Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I flew the > Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non stop to Kechican > AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across Canada, to my home near > Portland, arriving just before midnight. I slept in my own bed that > same night. > Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 then > "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back down to > 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of all the restricted > airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to Double Eagle airport in > Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is BRAND NEW control tower there, only > open about a month, oops). Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson > Mississippi (JAN) 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I > love flying at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a > night and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. > I departed Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a > climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at 9500 feet > and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 and easily cleared > the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a little south of Amarillo TX > with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the south. Next was the metropolis of > Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i > like to use a flashlight to look at the engine nacelles at night checking > for oil leaks, gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city > below illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was truly > awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and then on the > Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit of a tail wind, > 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at midnight but the airport > was well lit. To well. The high intensity lights were almost blinding on > flair. > The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared engine ran > smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and was home by 10pm. > just another day at the office!! Hope everyone has a wonderful new year!! > jb > ------------------------------ > Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now<http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020>. > > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Date: Dec 31, 2008
I'd like to chime in, politely, since many people are bent on this. Obama is now our president. I'll respect him for that. I believe the job molds the man, too. Some of his campaign rhetoric was just plain stupid and shame on the people for allowing any politician to dupe them in that manner. It's as if the people are clicking into idiot-mode when they listen to political campaign speeches. But there is nothing anyone can do about it now. Obama is our president and there is hope, too: Hope that the job will mold the man and that the ignorance he displayed during his campaign will be replaced by hard-core reality. He is already flip-flopping to the reality side on issues that will definitely irritate those who voted for him on socialist issues. He is already rethinking tax increases in this economy (which begs the question, if tax increases are bad in a bad economy, why would it be good in a good economy), he is already showing a hard stance on the Palestinian issue as opposed to his ignorant utterances on Georgia, and so on. So, I see positive moves and I route for him to make more such moves and not remain stuck on his positions expressed during the campaign. It is us who are in the accuser's box for allowing politicians to move all over the political spectrum buying in to that nonsense. But the process is what it is and it wasn't first tried here in the U.S. Even in Roman times 2,000 years ago people complained about the same things we do today. So, it's been around for a while. It is, however, healthy to analyze, self-audit and consider where we stand in terms of the manner in which we practice our politics and make corrections if we are found to be at fault. For instance, during Bush 43's term, hatred, wicked lies, and vile rhetoric did more damage to the country than anything the president ever did. The practitioners of these despicable acts acted without regard for this nation and they were ready to inflict damage beyond any measure. When the war, for which these same adulterers of the truth voted, turned difficult, as wars oftentimes do, the personal trade in misinformation and vitriol escalated beyond belief. What would have been the correct and less costly (in terms of dollars and lives) response? I believe it was Trent Lott (could be wrong about the name but it was a Republican senator) that said, "We are not going to criticize a sitting president in time of war" after Bill Clinton launched a war, far less justified than Iraq, for dubious reasons and fiercely criticized by Republicans. That was the right and mature thing to do when one has this nation's best interests at heart and consider the office of the president above one's own interests. Bush is now bending over backwards to mitigate the damage of a failing economy (a disaster which the operators of Obama's party created) for the new president and make his transition to power as smoothly as possible for the sake of the nation, not particularly for Obama the individual nor the Democratic Party. Compare that to Bill Clinton and his cronies who tried to cause as much damage as they could to make it as difficult as possible for Bush to transit to power. The petty crime of stealing all the W-keys off the keyboards was rather humorous, but it was an illustration of a much deeper resentment for this nation than what the deed demonstrated. We should not believe for a moment their attacks were against G.W. personally. It was and still is against this nation and its institutions. And that would cause emotions to flare up but we should refrain from becoming like them. My position has always been, honest and necessary opposition excluded, their acts and philosophy are anti-American and foreign to our culture, much like pathogens that consist of healthy tissue in their own right but they are lethal to the host in their purpose. We should also learn who we are opposing here. Many good, patriotic and loyal citizens are demagogued because they are Democrats, and we're wasting energy and resources that ought to be directed at the pathogens of our society -- those who wouldn't think twice to destroy the principles on which this unique and excellent nation was built. This cancer that already left Europe incapacitated, on life-support and in intensive care is already evident here. Two decades or so ago one could have made a case that the Democratic Party provided a safe haven for those pathogens, but that is not the case at all today; it is as rife and perhaps more dangerous in the Republican Party than anywhere else because we wouldn't expect to receive siren-songs from that corner. In my opinion that was more of a cause why so many conservatives voted for Obama than anything else. Even though he had nothing but rhetoric, he was basically an empty suit, but what he didn't have was what made him a more palatable choice than the Republican candidate, who was chosen by our opponents. Unfortunately, it will take a revolution in the Democratic and Republican parties for the new president to be fully molded to reality and that is where the rub lies. Will Obama be a realist and buck the objectives of the pathogens in his party? Will the Republicans have the courage to rid itself of the pathogens in its system? We have no choice but to wait and see. The captain will board the ship on the 20th of next month and he will set sail as he sees fit. We should not chop holes in the ship if we don't like him, like the pathogens did to Captain Bush. The Christian's position is that all authority is given by Christ as revealed in the Bible alone, not the Quran, or the Kama Sutra or some hieroglyphic stone-inscription. Unbelievers ought not to get all bent out of shape because of this, it is what the Christian doctrine teaches and you don't have to believe it to acknowledge it. If Obama is president because of the will of Christ, then we should show him the respect of the office he holds for the sake of Christ who put him there. It is, then, also unavoidable to conclude that there is a purpose for which Obama has been raised up to be our leader at this time. We cannot fully know what that purpose is, but we can certainly, respectfully, speculate. Perhaps the Democratic and Republican parties have to be split wide open separating the pathogens from the healthy tissue of our nation, much like a surgeon would cut cancerous cells away from healthy tissue to save the patient. I firmly believe that God retracted, for a time, the effective presence of the Holy Spirit from us as a nation, which allowed evil to do what it naturally does, flourishing wildly, resulting in the attack on 9/11 to come over us (speculating:) to reveal the evil among us as it became evident in the aftermath; (speculating:) to split the Muslims into two camps, those who are still functioning in a 7th century culture and those that tasted liberty, in the U.S.; (speculating:) to bring reality to those nations that would have supported terrorism believing it's politically correct to do so; (speculating:) to bring the issue of evil among us to the public forum. I don't believe that Obama has been called to inflict so much damage on our nation that there will be a second civil war required to heal our nation. There are too many believers that will be consumed in the process if we consider Abraham's petition before God regarding Sodom. Neither do I believe that Obama will be so far off reality that he will not diligently protect our nation, in the mold of President Bush, from terrorist attacks on home-soil. (There are already moves afoot to maintain the surveillance program that had the pathogens so up in arms when Bush practiced it.) What is certain, is that the next two- and four-year periods will be deciding watersheds for our nation, given to heal us; we should act accordingly, and decisively, without fear, but always honorably. If the surgeon hesitates, the patient is lost. That is my New Year's message to you all. Thank you all for being aviators, lovers of all things nautical and of the atmosphere which carries us aloft at great speeds with vistas unimaginable a mere century before. Thank you for being lovers of Aero Commanders, great ships that brought pleasure to so many. May God bless you all. Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Jim, Some friend you are, you probably came right over my house and you did not even say hello. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: Commander-List: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT HI KIDS.. I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I slept in my own bed that same night. Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity lights were almost blinding on flair. The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone has a wonderful new year!! jb _____ Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> it Now. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2009
Subject: Re: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
From: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
G=B9day Jimbob, Thanks for sharing...what a great way to =8Cusher out 2008=B9! Happy new year to all and may 2009 be the best yet...remember down here in Oz we have already survived 14 months of =8Cthe change=B9...just remember do no t be enveloped by the fear doctors! Hell...fuel is so cheap down here again I keep thinking the bowser has cracked up ;-) Cheers from Oz Russell On 1/1/09 4:53 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: > HI KIDS.. > I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, Stockton CA > (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same Commander I brought down from > Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was a long day as well. I did the enti re > trip in one day. I departed the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airl ine > early that morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Fiel d, > the GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a Maule and > flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I flew the Command er to > the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non stop to Kechican AK. Toppe d off > again, I flew nonstop, across Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just > before midnight. I slept in my own bed that same night. > Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 then "dri fted > up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back down to 13.5Stayed ju st > South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of all the restricted airspace nor th of > vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4h r 15 > min. (There is BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oo ps). > Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) 4hr 45m in. > Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying at night. When w as > crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night and I miss it. I dont ge t > enough night time these days. I departed Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late > but VERY dark and made a climbing right turn back over the airport and on > course. I was at 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Cli mbed > to 11.5 and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a > little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the south. Next > was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles north but the urba n > sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight to look at the engine nac elles > at night checking for oil leaks, gear droop etc. No need here. The ligh ts > from the city below illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully , it > was truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and the n on > the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit of a tail wind , > 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at midnight but the airport was > well lit. To well. The high intensity lights were almost blinding on fl air. > The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared engine r an > smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and was home by 10pm. just > another day at the office!! Hope everyone has a wonderful new year!! jb > > Get a free MP3 every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it Now > <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> . > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Russell....what's a bowser? On 12/31/2008 4:34 PM, Russell Legg wrote: > Gday Jimbob, > > Thanks for sharing...what a great way to usher out 2008! > > Happy new year to all and may 2009 be the best yet...remember down > here in Oz we have already survived 14 months of the change...just > remember do not be enveloped by the fear doctors! > > Hell...fuel is so cheap down here again I keep thinking the bowser has > cracked up ;-) > > Cheers from Oz > > Russell > > > On 1/1/09 4:53 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: > > HI KIDS.. > I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, > Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same > Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was > a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed > the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that > morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the > GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a > Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I > flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non > stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across > Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I > slept in my own bed that same night. > Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 > then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back > down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of > all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to > Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is > BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). > Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) > 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying > at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night > and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed > Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a > climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at > 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 > and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a > little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the > south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles > north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight > to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, > gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below > illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was > truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and > then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit > of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at > midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity > lights were almost blinding on flair. > The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared > engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and > was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone > has a wonderful new year!! jb > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it > Now > <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> > . > * > > onth -- > me AWESOME FREE Gifts!) > ://www.matronics.com/contribution > ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ist Email Forum - > r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > matronics.com > * > > > * > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2009
Subject: Re: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
From: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Hey John...that's what we call the 'box' that pumps the fuel out! Happy new year! On 1/1/09 10:30 AM, "John Vormbaum" wrote: > > > Russell....what's a bowser? > > On 12/31/2008 4:34 PM, Russell Legg wrote: >> Gday Jimbob, >> >> Thanks for sharing...what a great way to usher out 2008! >> >> Happy new year to all and may 2009 be the best yet...remember down >> here in Oz we have already survived 14 months of the change...just >> remember do not be enveloped by the fear doctors! >> >> Hell...fuel is so cheap down here again I keep thinking the bowser has >> cracked up ;-) >> >> Cheers from Oz >> >> Russell >> >> >> On 1/1/09 4:53 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: >> >> HI KIDS.. >> I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, >> Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same >> Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was >> a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed >> the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that >> morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the >> GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a >> Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I >> flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non >> stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across >> Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I >> slept in my own bed that same night. >> Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 >> then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back >> down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of >> all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to >> Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is >> BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). >> Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) >> 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying >> at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night >> and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed >> Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a >> climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at >> 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 >> and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a >> little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the >> south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles >> north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight >> to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, >> gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below >> illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was >> truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and >> then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit >> of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at >> midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity >> lights were almost blinding on flair. >> The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared >> engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and >> was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone >> has a wonderful new year!! jb >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it >> Now >> <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> >> . >> * >> >> onth -- >> me AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> ://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ist Email Forum - >> r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> matronics.com >> * >> >> >> * >> >> * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Date: Dec 31, 2008
It has wheels and are either tugged around or driven around, looking for aircraft that needs fuel. Where does the word come from? Certainly British, but where in that corner? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT --> Hey John...that's what we call the 'box' that pumps the fuel out! Happy new year! On 1/1/09 10:30 AM, "John Vormbaum" wrote: > --> > > > Russell....what's a bowser? > > On 12/31/2008 4:34 PM, Russell Legg wrote: >> Gday Jimbob, >> >> Thanks for sharing...what a great way to usher out 2008! >> >> Happy new year to all and may 2009 be the best yet...remember down >> here in Oz we have already survived 14 months of the change...just >> remember do not be enveloped by the fear doctors! >> >> Hell...fuel is so cheap down here again I keep thinking the bowser >> has cracked up ;-) >> >> Cheers from Oz >> >> Russell >> >> >> On 1/1/09 4:53 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: >> >> HI KIDS.. >> I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, >> Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same >> Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was >> a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed >> the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that >> morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the >> GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a >> Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I >> flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non >> stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across >> Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I >> slept in my own bed that same night. >> Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 >> then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back >> down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of >> all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to >> Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is >> BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). >> Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) >> 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying >> at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night >> and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed >> Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a >> climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at >> 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 >> and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a >> little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the >> south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles >> north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight >> to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, >> gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below >> illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was >> truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and >> then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit >> of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at >> midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity >> lights were almost blinding on flair. >> The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared >> engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and >> was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone >> has a wonderful new year!! jb >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it >> Now >> <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> >> . >> * >> >> onth -- >> me AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> ://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ist Email Forum - >> r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> matronics.com >> * >> >> >> * >> >> * > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: HAPPY NEW YEAR
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
So well said, Thank you so much? jb -----Original Message----- From: nico css <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:56 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY NEW YEAR I'd like to chime in, politely, since many people are bent on this. ? Obama is now our president. I'll respect him for that. I believe the job molds the man, too. Some of his campaign rhetoric was just plain stupid and shame on the people for allowing?any politician to dupe them?in that manner. It's as if the people are clicking into idiot-mode when they listen to political campaign speeches. ? But there is nothing?anyone can do about it now.?Obama?is our president and there is hope, too:?Hope that the job will mold the?man and that the ignorance he displayed during his campaign will be replaced by hard-core reality. He is already flip-flopping?to the reality side on issues that will?definitely irritate those who voted for him on socialist issues. He is already rethinking tax increases in this economy (which begs the question, if tax increases are bad in a bad economy, why would it be good in a good economy), he is already showing a hard stance on the Palestinian issue as opposed to his ignorant utterances on Georgia,?and so on. So, I see positive moves and I route for him to make more such moves and not remain stuck on his positions expressed during the campaign. ? It is us who are in the accuser's box for allowing politicians to move all over the political spectrum buying in to that nonsense. But the process is what it is and it wasn't first tried here in the U.S. Even in Roman times 2,000 years ago people complained about the same things we do today. So, it's been around for a while. It is, however, healthy to analyze, self-audit?and?consider where we stand in terms of the manner in which we practice our politics and make corrections if we are found to be?at fault. ? For instance, during Bush 43's term, hatred, wicked lies, and vile rhetoric did more damage to the country than anything the president ever did. The practitioners of these despicable acts acted without regard for this nation and they were ready to inflict damage beyond any measure. When the war, for which these same adulterers of the truth voted, turned difficult, as wars oftentimes do, the personal trade in misinformation and vitriol escalated beyond belief. What would have been the correct and less costly (in terms of dollars and lives) response? I believe it was Trent Lott (could be wrong about the name but it was a Republican senator) that said, "We are not going to criticize a sitting president in time of war" after Bill Clinton launched a war, far less justified than Iraq, for dubious reasons and fiercely criticized by Republicans. That was the right and mature thing to do when one has this nation's best interests at heart and consider the?office of the president above one's own interests. Bush is now bending over backwards to mitigate the damage of a failing economy (a disaster which the operators of Obama's party created) for the new president and make his transition to power as smoothly as possible for the sake of the nation, not particularly for Obama the individual nor the Democratic Party. Compare that to Bill Clinton and his cronies who tried to cause as much damage as they could to make it as difficult as possible for Bush to transit to power. The petty crime of stealing all the W-keys off the keyboards was rather humorous, but it was an illustration of a much deeper resentment for this nation than what the deed demonstrated. We should not believe for a moment their attacks were against G.W. personally. It?was and still is?against this nation and its institutions. And that would cause emotions to flare up but we should refrain from becoming like them. My position has always been, honest and necessary opposition excluded, their acts and philosophy are anti-American and foreign to our culture, much l ike pathogens that consist of healthy tissue in their own right but they are lethal to the host in their purpose. ? We should also learn who we are opposing here. Many good, patriotic and loyal citizens are demagogued because they are Democrats, and we're wasting energy and resources that ought to be directed at the pathogens of our society --?those who wouldn't think twice to destroy the principles on which this unique and excellent nation was built. This cancer?that already left Europe incapacitated, on life-support and in intensive care is already evident here. ? Two decades or so ago one could have made a case that the Democratic Party provided a safe haven for those pathogens, but that is not the case at all today; it is as rife and perhaps more dangerous in the Republican Party than anywhere else because we wouldn't expect to receive siren-songs from that corner. In my opinion that was more of a cause why so many conservatives voted for Obama than anything else.?Even though he had nothing but rhetoric, he was basically an empty suit, but what he didn't have was what made him a more palatable choice than the Republican candidate,?who was chosen by our opponents. Unfortunately, it will take a revolution in the Democratic?and Republican?parties for the?new president to be fully molded to reality and that is where the rub lies. Will?Obama be a realist and buck the objectives of the pathogens in his party??Will the Republicans have the courage to rid itself of the pathogens in its system? We have no choice but to wait and see. The capta in will board the ship on the 20th of next month and he will set sail as he sees fit. We should not chop holes in the ship if we don't like him, like the pathogens did to Captain Bush. ? The Christian's position is that all authority is given by Christ as revealed in the Bible alone, not the Quran, or the Kama Sutra or some hieroglyphic stone-inscription. Unbelievers ought not to get all bent out of shape because of this, it is what the Christian doctrine teaches and you don't have to believe it to acknowledge it. If Obama is president because of the will of Christ, then we should show?him the respect of the office he holds for the sake of Christ who put him there. It is, then, also unavoidable to conclude that there is a purpose for which Obama has been raised up to be our leader at this time. We cannot fully know what that purpose is, but we can certainly, respectfully, speculate. Perhaps the Democratic and Republican parties have to be split wide open separating the pathogens from the healthy tissue of our nation, much like a surgeon would cut cancerous cells away from healthy tissue to save the patient.?I firmly believe that God retracted, for a time,?the effective presence of the Holy Spirit from us as a nation, which allowed evil to do what it naturally does, flourishing wildly, resulting in the attack on 9/11 to come over us (speculating:) to reveal the evil among us as it became evident in the aftermath;??(speculating:) to split the Muslims into two camps, those who are still functioning in a 7th century culture and those that tasted liberty, in the U.S.; (speculating:) to?bring reality to those nations that would have supported terrorism believing it's politically correct to do so; (speculating:) to bring the issue of evil among us to the public forum. ? ? I don't believe that Obama has been called to inflict so much damage on our nation that there will be a second civil war required to heal our nation. There are too many?believers that will be consumed in the process if we consider Abraham's petition before God regarding Sodom. Neither do I believe that Obama will be so far off reality that he will not diligently protect our nation, in the mold of President Bush, from terrorist attacks?on home-soil. (There are already moves afoot to maintain the surveillance program that had the pathogens so up in arms when Bush practiced it.) What is certain, is that the next two- and four-year periods will be deciding watersheds for our nation, given to heal us; we should act accordingly, and decisively, without fear, but always honorably.?If the surgeon hesitates, the patient is lost. ? That is my New Year's message to you all. Thank you all for being aviators, lovers?of all things nautical and of the atmosphere which carries us aloft at great speeds with vistas unimaginable a mere century before. Thank you for being lovers of Aero Commanders, great ships that brought pleasure to so many. ? May God bless you all. ? Nico ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2008
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Aha, now I understand. Happy New Year to you! It's still 2008 up here on top...well, for 4.25 more hours.... On 12/31/2008 5:06 PM, Russell Legg wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg > > Hey John...that's what we call the 'box' that pumps the fuel out! Happy new > year! > > On 1/1/09 10:30 AM, "John Vormbaum" wrote: > > >> --> Commander-List message posted by: John Vormbaum >> >> >> Russell....what's a bowser? >> >> On 12/31/2008 4:34 PM, Russell Legg wrote: >> >>> Gday Jimbob, >>> >>> Thanks for sharing...what a great way to usher out 2008! >>> >>> Happy new year to all and may 2009 be the best yet...remember down >>> here in Oz we have already survived 14 months of the change...just >>> remember do not be enveloped by the fear doctors! >>> >>> Hell...fuel is so cheap down here again I keep thinking the bowser has >>> cracked up ;-) >>> >>> Cheers from Oz >>> >>> Russell >>> >>> >>> On 1/1/09 4:53 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: >>> >>> HI KIDS.. >>> I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, >>> Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same >>> Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was >>> a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed >>> the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that >>> morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the >>> GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a >>> Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I >>> flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non >>> stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across >>> Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I >>> slept in my own bed that same night. >>> Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 >>> then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back >>> down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of >>> all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to >>> Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is >>> BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). >>> Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) >>> 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying >>> at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night >>> and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed >>> Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a >>> climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at >>> 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 >>> and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a >>> little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the >>> south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles >>> north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight >>> to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, >>> gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below >>> illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was >>> truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and >>> then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit >>> of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at >>> midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity >>> lights were almost blinding on flair. >>> The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared >>> engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and >>> was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone >>> has a wonderful new year!! jb >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it >>> Now >>> <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> >>> . >>> * >>> >>> onth -- >>> me AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >>> ://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> ist Email Forum - >>> r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >>> ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> matronics.com >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: I made it!
Date: Jan 01, 2009
Thank you Lord for getting me through another year & say hi to those who didn't. I hope all of us survivers make '09 a better world to live in. Dan the desert duck 77B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT
Date: Jan 01, 2009
It's a "Kleenex" vs. "tissue" sort of thing - a trade name has been incorporated into the everyday term for the object regardless of manufacturer. ("Hoover" vs. "vacuum cleaner" for those in the UK) Collins has the definition of: bowser (n) 1. a tanker containing fuel aircraft, military vehicles, etc. 2. Austral. and N.Z. a petrol pump at a filling station. [originally a U.S. proprietary name, from S.F. Bowser, American inventor, who made the first one in 1885] Now the definition of 'petrol' is... no, just kidding. Happy New Year, everyone. May this year be much better than last! God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT It has wheels and are either tugged around or driven around, looking for aircraft that needs fuel. Where does the word come from? Certainly British, but where in that corner? -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Legg Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: NICE (LONG) COMMANDER FLIGHT --> Hey John...that's what we call the 'box' that pumps the fuel out! Happy new year! On 1/1/09 10:30 AM, "John Vormbaum" wrote: > --> > > > Russell....what's a bowser? > > On 12/31/2008 4:34 PM, Russell Legg wrote: >> Gday Jimbob, >> >> Thanks for sharing...what a great way to usher out 2008! >> >> Happy new year to all and may 2009 be the best yet...remember down >> here in Oz we have already survived 14 months of the change...just >> remember do not be enveloped by the fear doctors! >> >> Hell...fuel is so cheap down here again I keep thinking the bowser >> has cracked up ;-) >> >> Cheers from Oz >> >> Russell >> >> >> On 1/1/09 4:53 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: >> >> HI KIDS.. >> I just returned from delivering a 560E from Commander Services, >> Stockton CA (SCK) to Hollywood FL, (HWO). This is the same >> Commander I brought down from Wasilla Alaska last summer. That was >> a long day as well. I did the entire trip in one day. I departed >> the Portland Or (PDX) airport on Alaska Airline early that >> morning. Flew to Anchorage (ANC). Took a cab to Merrill Field, the >> GA airport serving Anchorage where the seller picked me up in a >> Maule and flew me to his private dirt strip. After a preflight, I >> flew the Commander to the main Wasilla airport for fuel. Then, non >> stop to Kechican AK. Topped off again, I flew nonstop, across >> Canada, to my home near Portland, arriving just before midnight. I >> slept in my own bed that same night. >> Anyway, I left Stockton about noon last Monday, climbed to 11.5 >> then "drifted up" to 14.5 to cross the Sierra Nevada range. Back >> down to 13.5Stayed just South of Tonnapa (sp) NV to keep clear of >> all the restricted airspace north of vas Vegas (area 51??) Flew to >> Double Eagle airport in Albuquerque NM, 4hr 15 min. (There is >> BRAND NEW control tower there, only open about a month, oops). >> Landed at dusk. Topped off and flew to Jackson Mississippi (JAN) >> 4hr 45min. Landed at midnight and spent the night. I love flying >> at night. When was crop dusting, almost all the flying was a night >> and I miss it. I dont get enough night time these days. I departed >> Double Eagle at 5:15, not very late but VERY dark and made a >> climbing right turn back over the airport and on course. I was at >> 9500 feet and able to climb over the ABQ airspace. Climbed to 11.5 >> and easily cleared the mount ain range east of ABQ. Then, just a >> little south of Amarillo TX with Lubic(sp) clearly in view to the >> south. Next was the metropolis of Dallas TX. I was 40 or so miles >> north but the urban sprawl was amazing. i like to use a flashlight >> to look at the engine nacelles at night checking for oil leaks, >> gear droop etc. No need here. The lights from the city below >> illuminated the underside of the airplane beautifully, it was >> truly awe inspiring, wonderful to see. Next came Shreveport and >> then on the Jackson. I stayed a 11.5 and had smooth air and a bit >> of a tail wind, 180-185kts over the ground. The tower closed at >> midnight but the airport was well lit. To well. The high intensity >> lights were almost blinding on flair. >> The next day it was more fuel a 4.0 hors to HWO. The old geared >> engine ran smooth as butter. Caught an afternoon flight back and >> was home by 10pm. just another day at the office!! Hope everyone >> has a wonderful new year!! jb >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get a *free MP3* every day with the Spinner.com Toolbar. Get it >> Now >> <http://toolbar.aol.com/spinner/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000020> >> . >> * >> >> onth -- >> me AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> ://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> ist Email Forum - >> r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> matronics.com >> * >> >> >> * >> >> * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 01, 2009
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Happy New Year II
It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posti ng.- That was not my intention.- In fact I was surprised at some of the responses.- So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have ov erstated my thinking.- I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of h and out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country.- Why would I think that?- Because that is wha t they are generally whaling about.- Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think.- Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with esta te issues-like death taxes.- Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life.- From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities- and expect ations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fiel ds to be worked.- Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the f amily worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone.- It i s not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike.- Including most of the latest bailouts.- (Bush is no conservative)- It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to some one who has not earned it.- I do not understand.- It seems to me when y ou tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and mor e contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid t he left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are- use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and publ ic television in their court for most of our lives.- They hate fox news a nd shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education.- All the while railing about the lack of free speech.- Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host.- I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one- w ho calls me "the perpetually- angry white wealthy guy". - I confess I a m white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppos e to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be exp ected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there i s equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it)- I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush ha s done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard.- Even though he might have violated the en emies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema- on oxygen whi le smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw: Happy New Year II
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 02, 2009
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Subject: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 01, 2009
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Dan, Obviously the ATP Lear Jet and the Col-East type folks were offended. Apparently you should not have shared your "vast knowledge" and revealed to all you are a wealthy white guy who is angry (perpetual at that) and blaming everyone except for your fellow angry white guy buddies. (The ability to discern someone's race, sustainability, sexual orientation, net worth, and temperament from an e-mail posting is a gift some liberals have. Contumely comes easy for some.) Hopefully these two have helped you realize you should dumb it down a little or at least wake up? It will help if you can adopt a new mantra, "each according to his need". Just keep saying that over and over and over again. Eventually you will feel better. Hang in there - because those of us who know you - really like you! And most of us agree with you! Happy New Year! Bob AC-50, F1- Rocket, AX-8 Commercial Pilot Past Golden Rudder Pedal Recipient Currently searching for John Galt, $ Fellow proud conservative ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 01, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: Steele, Bob To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Dan, Obviously the ATP Lear Jet and the Col-East type folks were offended. Apparently you should not have shared your "vast knowledge" and revealed to all you are a wealthy white guy who is angry (perpetual at that) and blaming everyone except for your fellow angry white guy buddies. (The ability to discern someone's race, sustainability, sexual orientation, net worth, and temperament from an e-mail posting is a gift some liberals have. Contumely comes easy for some.) Hopefully these two have helped you realize you should dumb it down a little or at least wake up? It will help if you can adopt a new mantra, "each according to his need". Just keep saying that over and over and over again. Eventually you will feel better. Hang in there - because those of us who know you - really like you! And most of us agree with you! Happy New Year! Bob AC-50, F1- Rocket, AX-8 Commercial Pilot Past Golden Rudder Pedal Recipient Currently searching for John Galt, $ Fellow proud conservative ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Some serious fun for the new year...
Date: Jan 01, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P_ryJqM8-U <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P_ryJqM8-U&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0CO8BX24dg <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0CO8BX24dg&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hs6gviE0oY <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hs6gviE0oY&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpdAvcxbsTI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpdAvcxbsTI&NR=1> &NR=1 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 02, 2009
Aww beans..... Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a patio. Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused you offense. As a farmer since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many people wealthy, sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this is all the evil Democrats fault? Ridiculus. Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble. Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh are both entertainers who manipulate facts and create caricatures of an opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually look at the facts. Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush is evil'. Each side and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving the listener of responsibility. The extremes are unable to ackowledge a rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far right has become more politically correct than left. It's not anyone's business, but I voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able to govern competantly. (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run it's course.) (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and believe.) You may not want it from me, but I genuinely wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. Steven Welebny (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work for.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 02, 2009
Mr. Bob Steele, My opinions are my own and not that of the company I work for. That's important. They are good folks and we're actually quite conservative and careful. (The area has its share of liberals, some more so than others. These old mill and company towns really seemed to breed a working class that thinks of companies as us and them.... Something of a union mentality......Oops....Hehe.) I am not nearly as liberal as you think. You wouldn't know a real one if they bit you in the butt. Most of the off topic political posts here are 'angry' and blame everyone else for the country's ills. I've never seen one that says, 'boy was that dumb!' I actually like Dan. Milt too. (Thought hopefully we won't have to fight first, before I can give him a hug.) Have a happy and good New Year. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Steele, Bob To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Dan, Obviously the ATP Lear Jet and the Col-East type folks were offended. Apparently you should not have shared your "vast knowledge" and revealed to all you are a wealthy white guy who is angry (perpetual at that) and blaming everyone except for your fellow angry white guy buddies. (The ability to discern someone's race, sustainability, sexual orientation, net worth, and temperament from an e-mail posting is a gift some liberals have. Contumely comes easy for some.) Hopefully these two have helped you realize you should dumb it down a little or at least wake up? It will help if you can adopt a new mantra, "each according to his need". Just keep saying that over and over and over again. Eventually you will feel better. Hang in there - because those of us who know you - really like you! And most of us agree with you! Happy New Year! Bob AC-50, F1- Rocket, AX-8 Commercial Pilot Past Golden Rudder Pedal Recipient Currently searching for John Galt, $ Fellow proud conservative ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 02, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Somebody finally got it right!!!!!? Finally!!? jb 'Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown' -----Original Message----- From: Steve W <steve2(at)sover.net> Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 8:01 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Aww beans..... ? Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a patio. ? Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused you offense. As a farmer?since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many people wealthy,?sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this is all the evil D emocrats fault? Ridiculus. ? Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble. Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh are both entertainers who manipulate?facts and create caricatures of an opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually look at the facts.?Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush is evil'. Each si de and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving the listener of responsibility. The extremes are?unable to ackowledge a rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far right has become more politically correct than left. ? It's not anyone's business, but I voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able to govern competantly. ? (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run it's course.) ? (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and believe.) ? You may not?want it from me, but I genuinely wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. ? Steven Welebny ? (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work for.) ? ? ? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting.? That was not my intention.? In fact I was surprised at some of the responses.? So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking.? I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country.? Why would I think that?? Because that is what they are generally whaling about.? Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think.? Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes.? Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life.? From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities? and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked.? Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone.? It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike.? Including most of the latest bailouts.? (Bush is no conservative)? It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it.? I do not understand.? It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize cont entment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are? use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives.? They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education.? All the while railing about the lack of free speech.? Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host.? I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one? who calls me "the perpetually? angry white wealthy guy". ? I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it)? I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard.? Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema? on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer 3D============================================= href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D============================================= href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'http://forums.matronics.com 3D============================================= href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D============================================= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 02, 2009
Hi Steve, It was quite a revelation for me to realize that you are a conservative at heart. We need you in the conservative camp, then, man. You will notice I didn't say Republican camp, which should address many of the things you raised. Evil Democrats? That would be a grossly unfair statement. Evil liberals? Yes, that would be more accurate and they are found in all of our institutions. If you correct your perception in that respect you will see the difference between Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. The latter is more than 98% factually accurate in his utterances, independently verified. I don't know anyone (who matters) who said, "Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist..." (a quotation of yours), so perhaps you are lending your ears to hearsay. "Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown" is more accurate although he wasn't alone in it. Your quotation lacks the names of Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Franklin Raines, and so on. If you can describe their forcing banks to provide loans to people who cannot pay it back as anything other than socialism, I'd certainly like to hear what it is. Just now legislators are considering increasing gasoline taxes because the lower consumption caused lower tax revenues. Now, answer me this: Did any of the agitators of lower gasoline usage consider the impact of lower tax revenues when they agitated that SUV's should be banned because they are gas-guzzlers? Or when they imposed a gas-guzzler tax on larger automobiles? Or when they introduced CAFE standards which imposed crippling costs on manufacturers? If they didn't they ought to be tarred and feathered and run out of town for shear stupidity or incompetence. But these folks have degrees from top notch schools, so it cannot be stupidity. Realistic people conclude that there must be another motive for their actions. If you can name another than a planned, deliberate move to bankrupt the economy so that it can be brought under government guardianship and eventually socialism, it would be interesting to hear it. Perhaps Obama's comment that we should "spread it [the wealth] around" should give one a clue. Perhaps Barbara Boxer's comment to socialize the economy is a clue. Perhaps Lyndon Johnson's "great society" which consumed trillions of dollars with more people in poverty than before is a clue. Perhaps Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and other liberals defending Freddy Mac and Fanny May just before the crash, full-well knowing they are sitting on trillions of dollars of toxic assets, is a clue; utterances that caused many CEO's to go to jail for misrepresenting their company's true state. One can go on and on about the deception, and the bill for all of this has been paid with your hard work, Steve; and you and I both probably will never have the luxury of retirement to pay for the deceptions of the past, too. Go and look at the taxes you pay and not only at the bottom figure that you net each month. See if $16,000 per child per year in education as opposed to less than $10,000 per year for a private school, is a good bang for your buck. See if paying under $2 per gallon for your gasoline is worse than $5, which is what we are being told today. See if you believe it's correct that all the gasoline taxes are funneled into the general fund and then you are asked to pay additional taxes for the infrastructure. See if our automobile industry can compete if they are saddled with a million retirees that earn full benefits adding $1,500 per car to the bottom line (as opposed to Toyota's $120). One shouldn't cry that one is a hard-working individual when one partakes (actively or passively) in the destruction of the institutions that made this country great - institutions that honor and reward hard work. One cannot categorize the evils that befall us in Republican and Democratic camps; they are liberal versus conservative - socialism versus capitalism - pathogen versus host. You are a conservative; you need to see that difference. And that, my friend, is how I read Dan's ire. Nico PS. I am still envious that you get to fly Commanders for a living. N _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Aww beans..... Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a patio. Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused you offense. As a farmer since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many people wealthy, sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this is all the evil Democrats fault? Ridiculus. Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble. Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh are both entertainers who manipulate facts and create caricatures of an opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually look at the facts. Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush is evil'. Each side and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving the listener of responsibility. The extremes are unable to ackowledge a rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far right has become more politically correct than left. It's not anyone's business, but I voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able to govern competantly. (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run it's course.) (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and believe.) You may not want it from me, but I genuinely wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. Steven Welebny (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work for.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan <mailto:daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution 3D=========================3 D=================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 02, 2009
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
If that is true, you wouldn't have gone off Dan like you did. We are all about to get bit in the butt, get ready. ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Mr. Bob Steele, My opinions are my own and not that of the company I work for. That's important. They are good folks and we're actually quite conservative and careful. (The area has its share of liberals, some more so than others. These old mill and company towns really seemed to breed a working class that thinks of companies as us and them.... Something of a union mentality......Oops....Hehe.) I am not nearly as liberal as you think. You wouldn't know a real one if they bit you in the butt. Most of the off topic political posts here are 'angry' and blame everyone else for the country's ills. I've never seen one that says, 'boy was that dumb!' I actually like Dan. Milt too. (Thought hopefully we won't have to fight first, before I can give him a hug.) Have a happy and good New Year. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Steele, Bob <mailto:Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Dan, Obviously the ATP Lear Jet and the Col-East type folks were offended. Apparently you should not have shared your "vast knowledge" and revealed to all you are a wealthy white guy who is angry (perpetual at that) and blaming everyone except for your fellow angry white guy buddies. (The ability to discern someone's race, sustainability, sexual orientation, net worth, and temperament from an e-mail posting is a gift some liberals have. Contumely comes easy for some.) Hopefully these two have helped you realize you should dumb it down a little or at least wake up? It will help if you can adopt a new mantra, "each according to his need". Just keep saying that over and over and over again. Eventually you will feel better. Hang in there - because those of us who know you - really like you! And most of us agree with you! Happy New Year! Bob AC-50, F1- Rocket, AX-8 Commercial Pilot Past Golden Rudder Pedal Recipient Currently searching for John Galt, $ Fellow proud conservative ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com>
Subject: Fw: Happy New Year II
Date: Jan 03, 2009
To all my mates, hope you have a great new year. Now to wade into this discussion. We are now a year and a bit into our own change. Our illustrious leader Kevin Rudd a.k.a KRUDD, Kevin747 , Dudd , Kevin07-mistake08 and disaster09. The way he won power is scarily similar to Obamas rise. Making promises to the great unwashed, offering something for nothing, going to change the world for the better etc. Well it seems as we all know that it is a lot easier to sit in the peanut gallery shouting about how things should be done than actually doing it yourself. One suddenly gets to realize that thing don't really change. Policies that work in fashion carry on working, slowly those that don't change into something that does. We now have a government that is living off the policies of the previous government. Rehashed and proudly touted as their own, but still the policies of old. Everthing he said he was going to change is still the same if not worse. I can not name one person I know who will admit to voting for this dope, even though in the media he is the GREATEST. The Unions financed his rise and were about to get back a lot of their power. Now it seems that they might have been wrong as well. We swapped a Statesman for a public servant. OH BOY ARE WE GOING TO PAY. Regards Richard Owner of a quick rebuild (8 years later) Owner of numerous Piper products Previous recipient of the Golden Pedal Award (now in the hands of Moe) P.S. Dan my boy Forget the politics it will only Pee you off and concentrate on your true calling. Giving retired people a bad name . That story about the dog food was a classic. Up there with the plastic Poo and forgetting to release the brakes at OKC. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 5:38 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II If that is true, you wouldn't have gone off Dan like you did. We are all about to get bit in the butt, get ready. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Mr. Bob Steele, My opinions are my own and not that of the company I work for. That's important. They are good folks and we're actually quite conservative and careful. (The area has its share of liberals, some more so than others. These old mill and company towns really seemed to breed a working class that thinks of companies as us and them.... Something of a union mentality......Oops....Hehe.) I am not nearly as liberal as you think. You wouldn't know a real one if they bit you in the butt. Most of the off topic political posts here are 'angry' and blame everyone else for the country's ills. I've never seen one that says, 'boy was that dumb!' I actually like Dan. Milt too. (Thought hopefully we won't have to fight first, before I can give him a hug.) Have a happy and good New Year. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Steele, Bob <mailto:Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Dan, Obviously the ATP Lear Jet and the Col-East type folks were offended. Apparently you should not have shared your "vast knowledge" and revealed to all you are a wealthy white guy who is angry (perpetual at that) and blaming everyone except for your fellow angry white guy buddies. (The ability to discern someone's race, sustainability, sexual orientation, net worth, and temperament from an e-mail posting is a gift some liberals have. Contumely comes easy for some.) Hopefully these two have helped you realize you should dumb it down a little or at least wake up? It will help if you can adopt a new mantra, "each according to his need". Just keep saying that over and over and over again. Eventually you will feel better. Hang in there - because those of us who know you - really like you! And most of us agree with you! Happy New Year! Bob AC-50, F1- Rocket, AX-8 Commercial Pilot Past Golden Rudder Pedal Recipient Currently searching for John Galt, $ Fellow proud conservative _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron ic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Group Hug? Too soon?
Date: Jan 02, 2009
Nico, I appreciate your taking the time to write, and I read carefully. I'll have some comments and questions to you I'll take off list in the next day or so. It seems silly to blame the world's financial collapse on the 'gay' guy. It was a team effort. But I'll listen to what you have to say. I'm extremely lucky to drive a Commander some for work. But if the mapping doesn't stop all going to India, I won't have a job or house let alone be flying anymore. You can ride with me anytime. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Hi Steve, It was quite a revelation for me to realize that you are a conservative at heart. We need you in the conservative camp, then, man. You will notice I didn't say Republican camp, which should address many of the things you raised. Evil Democrats? That would be a grossly unfair statement. Evil liberals? Yes, that would be more accurate and they are found in all of our institutions. If you correct your perception in that respect you will see the difference between Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. The latter is more than 98% factually accurate in his utterances, independently verified. I don't know anyone (who matters) who said, "Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist..." (a quotation of yours), so perhaps you are lending your ears to hearsay. "Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown" is more accurate although he wasn't alone in it. Your quotation lacks the names of Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Franklin Raines, and so on. If you can describe their forcing banks to provide loans to people who cannot pay it back as anything other than socialism, I'd certainly like to hear what it is. Just now legislators are considering increasing gasoline taxes because the lower consumption caused lower tax revenues. Now, answer me this: Did any of the agitators of lower gasoline usage consider the impact of lower tax revenues when they agitated that SUV's should be banned because they are gas-guzzlers? Or when they imposed a gas-guzzler tax on larger automobiles? Or when they introduced CAFE standards which imposed crippling costs on manufacturers? If they didn't they ought to be tarred and feathered and run out of town for shear stupidity or incompetence. But these folks have degrees from top notch schools, so it cannot be stupidity. Realistic people conclude that there must be another motive for their actions. If you can name another than a planned, deliberate move to bankrupt the economy so that it can be brought under government guardianship and eventually socialism, it would be interesting to hear it. Perhaps Obama's comment that we should "spread it [the wealth] around" should give one a clue. Perhaps Barbara Boxer's comment to socialize the economy is a clue. Perhaps Lyndon Johnson's "great society" which consumed trillions of dollars with more people in poverty than before is a clue. Perhaps Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and other liberals defending Freddy Mac and Fanny May just before the crash, full-well knowing they are sitting on trillions of dollars of toxic assets, is a clue; utterances that caused many CEO's to go to jail for misrepresenting their company's true state. One can go on and on about the deception, and the bill for all of this has been paid with your hard work, Steve; and you and I both probably will never have the luxury of retirement to pay for the deceptions of the past, too. Go and look at the taxes you pay and not only at the bottom figure that you net each month. See if $16,000 per child per year in education as opposed to less than $10,000 per year for a private school, is a good bang for your buck. See if paying under $2 per gallon for your gasoline is worse than $5, which is what we are being told today. See if you believe it's correct that all the gasoline taxes are funneled into the general fund and then you are asked to pay additional taxes for the infrastructure. See if our automobile industry can compete if they are saddled with a million retirees that earn full benefits adding $1,500 per car to the bottom line (as opposed to Toyota's $120). One shouldn't cry that one is a hard-working individual when one partakes (actively or passively) in the destruction of the institutions that made this country great - institutions that honor and reward hard work. One cannot categorize the evils that befall us in Republican and Democratic camps; they are liberal versus conservative - socialism versus capitalism - pathogen versus host. You are a conservative; you need to see that difference. And that, my friend, is how I read Dan's ire. Nico PS. I am still envious that you get to fly Commanders for a living. N ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:01 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Aww beans..... Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a patio. Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused you offense. As a farmer since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many people wealthy, sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this is all the evil Democrats fault? Ridiculus. Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble. Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh are both entertainers who manipulate facts and create caricatures of an opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually look at the facts. Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush is evil'. Each side and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving the listener of responsibility. The extremes are unable to ackowledge a rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far right has become more politically correct than left. It's not anyone's business, but I voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able to govern competantly. (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run it's course.) (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and believe.) You may not want it from me, but I genuinely wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. Steven Welebny (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work for.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. 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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Group Hug? Too soon?
Date: Jan 02, 2009
Thanks, Steve. I am looking forward to our off-list discussion. 'Gay guy?' Who brought that up? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Commander-List: Group Hug? Too soon? Nico, I appreciate your taking the time to write, and I read carefully. I'll have some comments and questions to you I'll take off list in the next day or so. It seems silly to blame the world's financial collapse on the 'gay' guy. It was a team effort. But I'll listen to what you have to say. I'm extremely lucky to drive a Commander some for work. But if the mapping doesn't stop all going to India, I won't have a job or house let alone be flying anymore. You can ride with me anytime. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Hi Steve, It was quite a revelation for me to realize that you are a conservative at heart. We need you in the conservative camp, then, man. You will notice I didn't say Republican camp, which should address many of the things you raised. Evil Democrats? That would be a grossly unfair statement. Evil liberals? Yes, that would be more accurate and they are found in all of our institutions. If you correct your perception in that respect you will see the difference between Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh. The latter is more than 98% factually accurate in his utterances, independently verified. I don't know anyone (who matters) who said, "Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist..." (a quotation of yours), so perhaps you are lending your ears to hearsay. "Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown" is more accurate although he wasn't alone in it. Your quotation lacks the names of Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Franklin Raines, and so on. If you can describe their forcing banks to provide loans to people who cannot pay it back as anything other than socialism, I'd certainly like to hear what it is. Just now legislators are considering increasing gasoline taxes because the lower consumption caused lower tax revenues. Now, answer me this: Did any of the agitators of lower gasoline usage consider the impact of lower tax revenues when they agitated that SUV's should be banned because they are gas-guzzlers? Or when they imposed a gas-guzzler tax on larger automobiles? Or when they introduced CAFE standards which imposed crippling costs on manufacturers? If they didn't they ought to be tarred and feathered and run out of town for shear stupidity or incompetence. But these folks have degrees from top notch schools, so it cannot be stupidity. Realistic people conclude that there must be another motive for their actions. If you can name another than a planned, deliberate move to bankrupt the economy so that it can be brought under government guardianship and eventually socialism, it would be interesting to hear it. Perhaps Obama's comment that we should "spread it [the wealth] around" should give one a clue. Perhaps Barbara Boxer's comment to socialize the economy is a clue. Perhaps Lyndon Johnson's "great society" which consumed trillions of dollars with more people in poverty than before is a clue. Perhaps Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi and other liberals defending Freddy Mac and Fanny May just before the crash, full-well knowing they are sitting on trillions of dollars of toxic assets, is a clue; utterances that caused many CEO's to go to jail for misrepresenting their company's true state. One can go on and on about the deception, and the bill for all of this has been paid with your hard work, Steve; and you and I both probably will never have the luxury of retirement to pay for the deceptions of the past, too. Go and look at the taxes you pay and not only at the bottom figure that you net each month. See if $16,000 per child per year in education as opposed to less than $10,000 per year for a private school, is a good bang for your buck. See if paying under $2 per gallon for your gasoline is worse than $5, which is what we are being told today. See if you believe it's correct that all the gasoline taxes are funneled into the general fund and then you are asked to pay additional taxes for the infrastructure. See if our automobile industry can compete if they are saddled with a million retirees that earn full benefits adding $1,500 per car to the bottom line (as opposed to Toyota's $120). One shouldn't cry that one is a hard-working individual when one partakes (actively or passively) in the destruction of the institutions that made this country great - institutions that honor and reward hard work. One cannot categorize the evils that befall us in Republican and Democratic camps; they are liberal versus conservative - socialism versus capitalism - pathogen versus host. You are a conservative; you need to see that difference. And that, my friend, is how I read Dan's ire. Nico PS. I am still envious that you get to fly Commanders for a living. N _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II Aww beans..... Dan I know enough farmers who were land poor to know what you're talking about. When Kathie and I did our market gardening we used some land of a friend of mine in New Hampshire who was a fifth generation dairy farmer. The town was going to try to tax the manure composting pad as a patio. Dan this is to you personally since now I've caused you offense. As a farmer since a kid, you've worked harder than I have. But nobody has ever handed me anything either. I helped out in my Dad's small struggling company since 11 or so. I've never stopped working. The house we built is on land I cleared. I was up late last night to feed the wood-fired oven I built for my wife's little business so she could go to bed early and wake up at 3:00am... I've just about finished adapting an old plow to put on the newer truck because I can't afford a new one......Etc.. I work my ass off. That's exactly how I took your posting...... I'm logging on to a Commander list and here's a post telling me how I want a handout and how lazy I am. I'll likely never see retirement. The policies that enrichened portfolios and made many people wealthy, sold our manufacturing and now our white-collar work overseas. The Republicans held the House and Senate for how many years? And this is all the evil Democrats fault? Ridiculus. Since I've said it I've got explain it. And I personally apologize to you. But there's millions of our own people in trouble. Some of the poor work damned hard. It just seems like some of the people who have it best, who have had every advantage the country could offer are the angriest of people. Propaganda cuts both ways. Michael Moore and Rush Limbaugh are both entertainers who manipulate facts and create caricatures of an opposite 'side' to stir passions and sell air time. A steady diet of either has one coming to despise this 'other side'. Both of them start with some grain of truth, but are often full of shit and vastly over-simplistic if you actually look at the facts. Everything can only exist as polar opposites. 'Obama is an insane baby eating radical muslim terrorist'.... 'Barney Frank is responsible for our country's financial meltdown'. I've seen Fox news putting on the kookiest far lefties to knock down. The far left press is just as goofy. 'Bush is evil'. Each side and each performer relies on demonizing others and relieving the listener of responsibility. The extremes are unable to ackowledge a rational center. The far left might seek to silence the far right, but the far right has become more politically correct than left. It's not anyone's business, but I voted for Democrats, Republicans and Independents in this last election because in each case I thought they were the best for (at) the job. I would welcome genuine conservatism. How these last eight years could be called conservative in almost any respect is way beyond me. People mostly voted for Obama because he acquited himself well through the campain, was intelligent, and appeared he might be able to govern competantly. (P.S. I ain't Snow White. I watched my Father's business struggle while others were eliglble for grants he couldn't get. I never finshed school as others were given money and I was working full-time. The company I work for is still competing unfairly against competant 'diasadvantaged' businesses. I think this stuff has run it's course.) (P.P.S. I still ain't Snow White. I'm no better than anyone else. I genuinely don't understand how those that claim to be religious, square the tenants and teachings with what they do and believe.) You may not want it from me, but I genuinely wish you sir a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year. Steven Welebny (Opinions are mine, and not of the company I work for.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan <mailto:daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> Farmer Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Happy New Year II It seems I might have offended a few individuals in my Happy New Year posting. That was not my intention. In fact I was surprised at some of the responses. So I reread my own posting and realized that I might have overstated my thinking. I really should not have implied that everyone who voted for the O is lazy, although I do believe most do want some type of hand out or make the rich pay or tax the corporations or feel this is just a mean and unfair country. Why would I think that? Because that is what they are generally whaling about. Or perhaps someone, even me, is just misguided. I think that it might be possible that since I gave up my airline job that I have too much time to think. Or possibly since my Dad passed away and we are dealing with estate issues-like death taxes. Or maybe it is that I have worked on this family farm with my dad, mother, and two brothers most of my life. From the age of 5 I have had responsibilities and expectations from my parents as to chores with calves to feed, cows to milk, fields to be worked. Do not think I am feeling sorry for myself as all the family worked hard and quite honestly I would not trade with anyone. It is not that I mind liberals throwing their money at ghost, feeling sorry for every person and supporting every wacky cause that comes down the pike. Including most of the latest bailouts. (Bush is no conservative) It is when they want to take my property-at 55 percent and transfer it to someone who has not earned it. I do not understand. It seems to me when you tax production and subsidize contentment you get less production and more contentment. I have tried not to assail any particular person but as usual I am afraid the left does not like anyone to speak but them. They are use to having the major net works and CNN and public radio and public television in their court for most of our lives. They hate fox news and shout down opposite views in many forums particularly in areas of higher education. All the while railing about the lack of free speech. Now watch as the left tries to bring back the "fairness" doctrine because they cannot seem to bring forth a successful liberal talk show host. I am sorry that I cannot speak with the same amount of love as the one who calls me "the perpetually angry white wealthy guy". I confess I am white and a guy and in this day of modern liberalism I probably am suppose to apologize for that and if I were wealthy I would most certainly be expected to apologize. This is really going to piss them off, "I think there is equal amounts of scientific evidence on both sides of man made global warming. I will only say two more things.(sorry about the strike through but I cant seem to get rid of it) I do not agree with many of the things GW Bush has done but it has been 2665 days since we were attacked and I think he has done very well in that regard. Even though he might have violated the enemies privacy. Finally, I have several liberal friends (ok 2) but my understanding of your thinking is similar to looking at a person with emphasema on oxygen while smoking a cigerrett Proud to be conservative!! dan farmer 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution 3D=========================3 D=================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: ATM fraud - watch out!
Date: Jan 02, 2009
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Date: Jan 03, 2009
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: opinions
Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end.- I will try never to pos t a political thought on this web page.- I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about.- So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leav es this site over a difference of opinion.- Most have heard about opinion s--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-))- I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining sho es and driving cabs".- Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: opinions
Date: Jan 03, 2009
Wow. You remember the Studebakers, Larks, and others. Hudson also had a Commander, no? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Re: opinions
Date: Jan 03, 2009
Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Passion politics & Commander
Date: Jan 03, 2009
I bought my 1954 Aero Commander 560 in 1988 for just less than $10,000.00. No props*, the logs showed 300 smoh on the left and 700 smoh on the right - the interior had been gutted; pink fiberglass insulation was falling off the ceiling and sidewalls - absolutely nothing for radios. The mechanic I befriended years earlier that let me rebuild my first airplane in his hangar a 150 I bought from him originally had plans to buy it but unfortunately after an accident while testing a Cassutt Racer for one of his customers ended up a paraplegic. Prior to the Commander purchase, I had since traded the 150 for a Cessna Cardinal out of Wisconsin; flew it for a few years and sold the Cardinal to purchase the Commander. *The Commander props ended up on one of the defunct partners Widgeon - after too many beers, he tried to taxi his Widgeon into the hangar...arrg! My Commander was located in Tecumseh, Michigan which was two plus hours from my home in Holland, Michigan. I used to spend weekends camping out in the fuselage in order to have the bulk of the weekend to work on it. I had a small kerosene heater for the Michigan winter in the back corner of the cabin; kept a coffee pot on it and went to the local McDonalds for whatever meals I didn't pack. I worked on the Commander for more weekends than I can count and during the week repaired parts or fabricated new - like a new panel to accept a used King stack I saved from the Cardinal. After crawling all through the Commanders bowels, lugging flaps home to clean out the birds nests; I questioned what I had gotten myself into. Compared to the Cessna's I refurbished previously, it felt like I had taken on repairing an airliner. Eventually I got over its size, for the most part it was a simple straight forward airplane. I persisted though and in the following summer she was finally ready to at least ferry to Pontiac where I intended to base the plane as I was now working in the Detroit area and commuting back home to Holland on the weekends. There was still plenty to do but enough work had been accomplished to make her ferryable. By then I fabricated a new panel with a modern 6 pack instrument arrangement that put the engine gages over the throttle quadrant. I had placed the King stack to the right of the throttle/prop/mixture pod and a Telex intercom made communication between pilot and copilot sweet on the ears. When the airplane was safe to fly luckily I had found and befriended a great guy in Pontiac, Charlie Williamson who owned a 520. We became fast Commander friends and Charlie agreed to help me get my 560 to Pontiac for an annual. The day finally arrived - Charlie and I got dropped off in Tecumseh for the ferry ride. We fired up my prize and after quickly realizing during the taxi process that we forgot to release the parking brakes - we headed to the end of the grass strip humorously referred to as Merrilat International. When the gear was tucked away and as Charlie put it, "she climbs out like a "Homesick Angel -we made a short uneventful trip to my tie down spot in Pontiac. Over these many years I have worked on this bird tirelessly; I don't think there is one thing that one could put his hand on that I haven't touched on my Commander. If I had to pay for the labor out of my pocket I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it'd have come to a million bucks. But that's not the point. To borrow a phrase it's been my 'magnificent obsession'; a labor of love which I almost never considered work except when I had to remake the MLG/motor mount trusses over twice (if you don't anodize 7075-T6, it corrodes like you'd watch paint dry). Recently I've been through both engines - new cams, new bearings, 1/2" valves etc, etc!. What I thought were low time engines were the product of an overhaul consisting of scraping every barely serviceable part off the bench and cobbling the engines together. Twenty some years later I'm still at it keeping 560 # 173 in one flyable piece as best I can. Haven't lost the faith yet. What I've tried to relate in the paragraphs above is about passion. I think anyone who gets bit in the a$$ by aviation, then attached to specific airplane along the way (think Bonanza snob - I wave my genitals at those bums) or for that matter us "Commander" guys (I think there's a Sheila out there too) is a passionate soul. The recent political banter found here I think testifies to that fact and every truly died in the wool American at the least wants the very best for this country. I'm not offended and I for one don't mind reading about your thoughts in this forum. An honest debate free of acrimony is what we need more of, not less. If anything at least consider what is being presented in the light of what should not be so difficult to recognize as right and true. As for my two cents, I'm of the opinion that the current cast of political characters in Washington is an abomination to anyone with a mustard seed worth of honest moral values. In one way or another, save a few, they're all responsible for the mess this nation is in, morally, spiritually, financially and none have the guts to do the right thing - what we as Americans hunger for is simply the truth coupled with honest action. Isn't it amazing no politician can figure that he/she could stand out without pandering. It's laughable that they who have the audacity (what book was that again) to call the US car maker CEO's on the carpet for mismanagement need look no further than the mirror for the real culprits in this sad opera. Those pathetic deluded liars all deserve to be stripped of their pensions, lifetime perks and thrown out of work just like they've done to the citizens in this country. Who among us isn't fed up with the political diarrhea that continually accomplishes nothing! We aren't getting what we're paying so dearly for - only excuses instead of results. With the same passion I've let my knuckles be bruised on my Commander over these years with, I sincerely desire this nation to survive and prosper as our founding fathers so brilliantly designed it to. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Passion politics & Commander
Date: Jan 03, 2009
Hi Gary, The first thing that came to mind when I read your work about the Commander was "now that's passion". I bet it will be hard to part with her if that day should be in your future, which I hope it is not. I'm going to keep this in my collection of pilot stories. (Website, one day). If you have pictures as you progressed, it'd be very nice to attach them to the story. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Commander-List: Passion politics & Commander I bought my 1954 Aero Commander 560 in 1988 for just less than $10,000.00. No props*, the logs showed 300 smoh on the left and 700 smoh on the right - the interior had been gutted; pink fiberglass insulation was falling off the ceiling and sidewalls - absolutely nothing for radios. The mechanic I befriended years earlier that let me rebuild my first airplane in his hangar a 150 I bought from him originally had plans to buy it but unfortunately after an accident while testing a Cassutt Racer for one of his customers ended up a paraplegic. Prior to the Commander purchase, I had since traded the 150 for a Cessna Cardinal out of Wisconsin; flew it for a few years and sold the Cardinal to purchase the Commander. *The Commander props ended up on one of the defunct partners Widgeon - after too many beers, he tried to taxi his Widgeon into the hangar...arrg! My Commander was located in Tecumseh, Michigan which was two plus hours from my home in Holland, Michigan. I used to spend weekends camping out in the fuselage in order to have the bulk of the weekend to work on it. I had a small kerosene heater for the Michigan winter in the back corner of the cabin; kept a coffee pot on it and went to the local McDonalds for whatever meals I didn't pack. I worked on the Commander for more weekends than I can count and during the week repaired parts or fabricated new - like a new panel to accept a used King stack I saved from the Cardinal. After crawling all through the Commanders bowels, lugging flaps home to clean out the birds nests; I questioned what I had gotten myself into. Compared to the Cessna's I refurbished previously, it felt like I had taken on repairing an airliner. Eventually I got over its size, for the most part it was a simple straight forward airplane. I persisted though and in the following summer she was finally ready to at least ferry to Pontiac where I intended to base the plane as I was now working in the Detroit area and commuting back home to Holland on the weekends. There was still plenty to do but enough work had been accomplished to make her ferryable. By then I fabricated a new panel with a modern 6 pack instrument arrangement that put the engine gages over the throttle quadrant. I had placed the King stack to the right of the throttle/prop/mixture pod and a Telex intercom made communication between pilot and copilot sweet on the ears. When the airplane was safe to fly luckily I had found and befriended a great guy in Pontiac, Charlie Williamson who owned a 520. We became fast Commander friends and Charlie agreed to help me get my 560 to Pontiac for an annual. The day finally arrived - Charlie and I got dropped off in Tecumseh for the ferry ride. We fired up my prize and after quickly realizing during the taxi process that we forgot to release the parking brakes - we headed to the end of the grass strip humorously referred to as Merrilat International. When the gear was tucked away and as Charlie put it, "she climbs out like a "Homesick Angel -we made a short uneventful trip to my tie down spot in Pontiac. Over these many years I have worked on this bird tirelessly; I don't think there is one thing that one could put his hand on that I haven't touched on my Commander. If I had to pay for the labor out of my pocket I'd bet dollars to doughnuts it'd have come to a million bucks. But that's not the point. To borrow a phrase it's been my 'magnificent obsession'; a labor of love which I almost never considered work except when I had to remake the MLG/motor mount trusses over twice (if you don't anodize 7075-T6, it corrodes like you'd watch paint dry). Recently I've been through both engines - new cams, new bearings, 1/2" valves etc, etc!. What I thought were low time engines were the product of an overhaul consisting of scraping every barely serviceable part off the bench and cobbling the engines together. Twenty some years later I'm still at it keeping 560 # 173 in one flyable piece as best I can. Haven't lost the faith yet. What I've tried to relate in the paragraphs above is about passion. I think anyone who gets bit in the a$$ by aviation, then attached to specific airplane along the way (think Bonanza snob - I wave my genitals at those bums) or for that matter us "Commander" guys (I think there's a Sheila out there too) is a passionate soul. The recent political banter found here I think testifies to that fact and every truly died in the wool American at the least wants the very best for this country. I'm not offended and I for one don't mind reading about your thoughts in this forum. An honest debate free of acrimony is what we need more of, not less. If anything at least consider what is being presented in the light of what should not be so difficult to recognize as right and true. As for my two cents, I'm of the opinion that the current cast of political characters in Washington is an abomination to anyone with a mustard seed worth of honest moral values. In one way or another, save a few, they're all responsible for the mess this nation is in, morally, spiritually, financially and none have the guts to do the right thing - what we as Americans hunger for is simply the truth coupled with honest action. Isn't it amazing no politician can figure that he/she could stand out without pandering. It's laughable that they who have the audacity (what book was that again) to call the US car maker CEO's on the carpet for mismanagement need look no further than the mirror for the real culprits in this sad opera. Those pathetic deluded liars all deserve to be stripped of their pensions, lifetime perks and thrown out of work just like they've done to the citizens in this country. Who among us isn't fed up with the political diarrhea that continually accomplishes nothing! We aren't getting what we're paying so dearly for - only excuses instead of results. With the same passion I've let my knuckles be bruised on my Commander over these years with, I sincerely desire this nation to survive and prosper as our founding fathers so brilliantly designed it to. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com>
Subject: Commander Pics
Date: Jan 04, 2009
Hi folks. If anyone has any good commander pics you'd like to post, I've created a Twin Commander Facebook site. So far it's dominated by Australians. needs a bit of USA flavour I think. The link is: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=38090073191 Cheers Dave Dr David Fitzgerald BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) ACCAM DipAvMed(Otago) DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com mob 0438 312973 _____ 2:14 PM ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: opinions
Date: Jan 03, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: opinions
Date: Jan 04, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions Dan Farmer my brother, Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 04, 2009
Subject: Re: Passion politics & Commander
Could not have said it better! You are right on target with the politics and I`m in the process of getting my 680 up to speed but don`t have to do as much work as you have done. I to share the passion and my bird is going to be one fine machine. Just had a new interior completed and the paint shop is next. Good luck with your commander. Gil **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Dan Brady" <westwindaero(at)clearwire.net>
Subject: Re: opinions
Date: Jan 04, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions Dan Farmer my brother, Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: opinions
Date: Jan 05, 2009
Hi Folks, A couple of more questions about cold weather operati From: Dan Brady Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions Dan Farmer my brother, Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 05, 2009
Subject: Re: Passion politics & Commander
Anybody knows of a decent paint shop in Florida? for a 560f Thanks: Andy **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 05, 2009
Subject: Re: Passion politics & Commander
I heard that their is a shop in DeLand and they use bakeing soda to strip and clean the aircraft. Sorry , Don`t have a name but they are located on the airport. Gil **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Commander that belong to Hannay Reels.
Date: Jan 06, 2009
The new year is a time to receive new calendars. I just received the 2009 Calendar from Hannay Reels. I have used their reels in all of my Aviation Fuel Systems and Refueler trucks for the last 16 years. Hannay has been around since 1933. www.hannay.com In the calendar they show several Aero Commanders they have owned. Including a 680 or 560 pre 1960, and a 500A-N444H. It appears that they kept the N444H and it was on a 320 and 310Q. Their most recent aircraft is a Premier 1A Jet, N81HR. Tylor Hall First Fueling Systems. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Commander that belong to Hannay Reels.
Date: Jan 06, 2009
Hi Tylor, I cannot find anything for Hannay Reels, but do find a Clifford B Hannay & Son Inc (Albany, NY., then Westerloo, NY). He had: 560 s/n 203 500A s/n 1113-55 The 560 was bought in March 1955 as N444H, then re-registered N4448 in March 1959 and sold the following month. The 500A was bought in March 1962 as N444H, then re-registered as N4441 in July 1962 and sold the same month. Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander that belong to Hannay Reels. | | The new year is a time to receive new calendars. | | I just received the 2009 Calendar from Hannay Reels. I have used | their reels in all of my Aviation Fuel Systems and Refueler trucks for | the last 16 years. Hannay has been around since 1933. www.hannay.com | | In the calendar they show several Aero Commanders they have owned. | Including a 680 or 560 pre 1960, and a 500A-N444H. | | It appears that they kept the N444H and it was on a 320 and 310Q. | | Their most recent aircraft is a Premier 1A Jet, N81HR. | | Tylor Hall | First Fueling Systems. | | | | | | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Commander that belong to Hannay Reels.
Date: Jan 06, 2009
Clifford B Hannay was the inventor of fuel hose reel in 1933. Not sure of the exact linage, but there was a Dwight, George, Robert, and now Roger Hannay is CEO of the still family owned company. Interesting history. The 500A did not last long. Tylor Hall On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Barry Collman wrote: > Hi Tylor, > > I cannot find anything for Hannay Reels, but do find a Clifford B > Hannay & Son Inc (Albany, NY., then Westerloo, NY). > > He had: > 560 s/n 203 > 500A s/n 1113-55 > > The 560 was bought in March 1955 as N444H, then re-registered N4448 > in March 1959 and sold the following month. > > The 500A was bought in March 1962 as N444H, then re-registered as > N4441 in July 1962 and sold the same month. > > Very Best Regards, > Barry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:34 PM > Subject: Commander-List: Commander that belong to Hannay Reels. > > > > | > | The new year is a time to receive new calendars. > | > | I just received the 2009 Calendar from Hannay Reels. I have used > | their reels in all of my Aviation Fuel Systems and Refueler trucks > for > | the last 16 years. Hannay has been around since 1933. www.hannay.com > | > | In the calendar they show several Aero Commanders they have owned. > | Including a 680 or 560 pre 1960, and a 500A-N444H. > | > | It appears that they kept the N444H and it was on a 320 and 310Q. > | > | Their most recent aircraft is a Premier 1A Jet, N81HR. > | > | Tylor Hall > | First Fueling Systems. > | > | > | > | > | ========== > | Commander-List browse > | Archive and much href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > | bsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > | ========== > | bsp; - generous support! > | bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > | ========== > | > | > | > | > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2009
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Calenders
Tylor, You may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspaper-we sc rounge them.- We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side because o f such antics.- Of course that thought generally comes from flight attend ants because they buy anything and are generally broke.- But I digress. -- What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THESE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-))) dan =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Calenders
Date: Jan 07, 2009
Well I heard there were going to be mugs available, I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since, maybe they can't be shipped to Canada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor, You may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspaper-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side because of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight attendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THESE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-))) dan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Calenders
Date: Jan 07, 2009
Hi Tom, The mugs issue is my fault. I have not gotten around to getting all the pieces (artwork, ceramics etc) together. After 16 or 18 hour days, it gets pushed down the road. Hopefully, my stress will subside a little bit in the year then I will get to doing it. I'll holler as soon as it's happening. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Calenders Well I heard there were going to be mugs available, I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since, maybe they can't be shipped to Canada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan <mailto:daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> Farmer Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor, You may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspaper-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side because of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight attendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THESE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-))) dan 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution 3D=========================3 D=================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Calenders
Date: Jan 08, 2009
Speaking of back burner=2C the hats I talked about months ago are now avail able. Don Girod has 4 of them and might be able to post a picture. How abou t it Don?? The black hat with the "scrambled eggs" is $20.00=2C the others are $17.00. Don=2C if you ca'nt do it I will try. My computer skills are n ot very good. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: CalendersDate: Wed=2C 7 Jan 2009 21:51:39 -0800 Hi Tom=2C The mugs issue is my fault. I have not gotten around to getting all the pie ces (artwork=2C ceramics etc) together. After 16 or 18 hour days=2C it gets pushed down the road. Hopefully=2C my stress will subside a little bit in the year then I will get to doing it. I'll holler as soon as it's happening . Thanks Nico From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom FisherSent: Wednesday=2C January 0 7=2C 2009 7:35 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-Lis t: Calenders Well I heard there were going to be mugs available=2C I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since=2C maybe they can't be shipped to C anada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer Sent: Wednesday=2C January 07=2C 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor=2CYou may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspap er-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side bec ause of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight at tendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THE SE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-)))dan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com /contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_h owitworks_012009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Calenders
Date: Jan 08, 2009
Thanks Nico, I thought I missed the opportunity, carry on at your pace. T... C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders Hi Tom, The mugs issue is my fault. I have not gotten around to getting all the pieces (artwork, ceramics etc) together. After 16 or 18 hour days, it gets pushed down the road. Hopefully, my stress will subside a little bit in the year then I will get to doing it. I'll holler as soon as it's happening. Thanks Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:35 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Calenders Well I heard there were going to be mugs available, I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since, maybe they can't be shipped to Canada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor, You may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspaper-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side because of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight attendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THESE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-))) dan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Calenders
Date: Jan 08, 2009
Yes I know, I purchased eight of them unless this is a new batch you are referring too. T... C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam To: x x Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders Speaking of back burner, the hats I talked about months ago are now available. Don Girod has 4 of them and might be able to post a picture. How about it Don?? The black hat with the "scrambled eggs" is $20.00, the others are $17.00. Don, if you ca'nt do it I will try. My computer skills are not very good. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:51:39 -0800 Hi Tom, The mugs issue is my fault. I have not gotten around to getting all the pieces (artwork, ceramics etc) together. After 16 or 18 hour days, it gets pushed down the road. Hopefully, my stress will subside a little bit in the year then I will get to doing it. I'll holler as soon as it's happening. Thanks Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:35 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Calenders Well I heard there were going to be mugs available, I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since, maybe they can't be shipped to Canada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor, You may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspaper-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side because of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight attendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THESE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-))) dan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. See how it works. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Nancy Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Calenders
Date: Jan 08, 2009
This is a new hat that is black=2C with gold braid=2C and Twin Commander wi th the head on view. Don Girod is the only one that has them. I tried to se nd a picture=2C but it has'nt worked so far. I will try to send a picture to your email address. Roland From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.caTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-List: CalendersDate: Thu=2C 8 Jan 2009 06:24:29 -0800 Yes I know=2C I purchased eight of them unless this is a new batch you are referring too. T... C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam Sent: Thursday=2C January 08=2C 2009 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders Speaking of back burner=2C the hats I talked about months ago are now avail able. Don Girod has 4 of them and might be able to post a picture. How abou t it Don?? The black hat with the "scrambled eggs" is $20.00=2C the others are $17.00. Don=2C if you ca'nt do it I will try. My computer skills are n ot very good. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: RE: Commander-List: CalendersDate: Wed=2C 7 Jan 2009 21:51:39 -0800 Hi Tom=2C The mugs issue is my fault. I have not gotten around to getting all the pie ces (artwork=2C ceramics etc) together. After 16 or 18 hour days=2C it gets pushed down the road. Hopefully=2C my stress will subside a little bit in the year then I will get to doing it. I'll holler as soon as it's happening . Thanks Nico From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom FisherSent: Wednesday=2C January 0 7=2C 2009 7:35 PMTo: commander-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Commander-Lis t: Calenders Well I heard there were going to be mugs available=2C I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since=2C maybe they can't be shipped to C anada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer Sent: Wednesday=2C January 07=2C 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor=2CYou may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspap er-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side bec ause of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight at tendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THE SE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-)))dan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com /contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. See how it works. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_expl ore_012009 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Calenders
Date: Jan 08, 2009
I received the image thanks. T... C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam To: x x Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:57 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders This is a new hat that is black, with gold braid, and Twin Commander with the head on view. Don Girod is the only one that has them. I tried to send a picture, but it has'nt worked so far. I will try to send a picture to your email address. Roland ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Calenders Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 06:24:29 -0800 Yes I know, I purchased eight of them unless this is a new batch you are referring too. T... C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Gilliam To: x x Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders Speaking of back burner, the hats I talked about months ago are now available. Don Girod has 4 of them and might be able to post a picture. How about it Don?? The black hat with the "scrambled eggs" is $20.00, the others are $17.00. Don, if you ca'nt do it I will try. My computer skills are not very good. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Calenders Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:51:39 -0800 Hi Tom, The mugs issue is my fault. I have not gotten around to getting all the pieces (artwork, ceramics etc) together. After 16 or 18 hour days, it gets pushed down the road. Hopefully, my stress will subside a little bit in the year then I will get to doing it. I'll holler as soon as it's happening. Thanks Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:35 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Calenders Well I heard there were going to be mugs available, I requested at least four but have never heard a thing since, maybe they can't be shipped to Canada. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Commander-List: Calenders Tylor, You may or may not be aware that airline pilots never buy a newspaper-we scrounge them. We are also thought of as to be on the cheap side because of such antics. Of course that thought generally comes from flight attendants because they buy anything and are generally broke. But I digress. What I am getting around to here is WHERE ARE OUR CALENDERS WITH ALL THESE COMMANDERS ON THEM?:-))) dan 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. See how it works. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. Check it out. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 08, 2009
From: "dongirod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Commander hat
Roland & Nico Here is the picture of the hat, since it is an attachment, I don't think it will go on the email site, but maybe Nico can put it on his site so it can be viewed. I am well pleased with both my hats. While I am making compliments, let me also say, last year Nico made up some special coffee mug that June and I designed for our Church group doing a Bible study, they are beautiful and everyone in the group were very pleased. The mugs contained the name of the book we studied, "Simply Christian" and a prayer by Bishop John Cosin. Since it is in N. VA. with lots of military and retired military the mugs were done in red, white and blue. Wish I could post a picture of it. Only thing I can say is, if anyone is in need of some special mugs, please check out what Nico has or can do for you. Thanks Nico. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: ANOTHER KIND OF COMMANDER
Date: Jan 10, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
HI KIDS I just got back from another delivery.? i moved a Commander 114 from Stockton (SKC) TO ALN near St Louis.? left about 11am and flew direct to Tonnapah TPH NV.? There was no 100 oct fuel available at Stockton, can you believe it????????????????? Anyway, landed at TPH to find no one home here ether.? The place was open but mo one around.? I cleared the fuel meter and tried the on off switch, it worked!!? So, I topped off and left a note with my CC info taped to the cash register.? They called later to thank me for the biz. Crossed the Sierras at 13.5 then let back down.? Climbed to 9.5 after TPH then finally to 14.5 to cross the Rockies just south of Denver. Flew direct to Goodland KS (GLD) and landed after dark.? Topped off again and made it to ALN.? I crossed John Towners place at about 9:45 @9.5 and had a wonderful view of all of KC.? it is a beautiful city at night.? Had 45-50 Knot ?tailwinds for a ground speed of 190-195 KTS!!!? The airplane is a 148Knot normal?cruse.? Touched down about 11PM.? I have a couple more deliveries lined up, but next week it will be of to the Barrett Jackson car auction in Scottsdale.for some R&R.? jb??????? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: ANOTHER KIND OF COMMANDER
Date: Jan 10, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
-----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 6:41 pm Subject: ANOTHER KIND OF COMMANDER HI KIDS I just got back from another delivery.? i moved a Commander 114 from Stockton (SKC) TO ALN near St Louis.? left about 11am and flew direct to Tonnapah TPH NV.? There was no 100 oct fuel available at Stockton, can you believe it????????????????? Anyway, landed at TPH to find no one home here ether.? The place was open but mo one around.? I cleared the fuel meter and tried the on off switch, it worked!!? So, I topped off and left a note with my CC info taped to the cash register.? They called later to thank me for the biz. Crossed the Sierras at 13.5 then let back down.? Climbed to 9.5 after TPH then finally to 14.5 to cross the Rockies just south of Denver. Flew direct to Goodland KS (GLD) and landed after dark.? Topped off again and made it to ALN.? I crossed John Towners place at about 9:45 @9.5 and had a wonderful view of all of KC.? it is a beautiful city at night.? Had 45-50 Knot ?tailwinds for a ground speed of 190-195 KTS!!!? The airplane is a 148Knot normal?cruse.? Touched down about 11PM.? I have a couple more deliveries lined up, but next week it will be of to the Barrett Jackson car auction in Scottsdale.for some R&R.? jb??????? A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: ANOTHER KIND OF COMMANDER
Date: Jan 10, 2009
JB, I was not in town the last time you came through New Mexico. I put a self service unit in at Montrose, CO and in Pullman, WA recently. Let me know when you come through next time. Tylor Hall First Fueling Systems. On Jan 10, 2009, at 8:29 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 6:41 pm > Subject: ANOTHER KIND OF COMMANDER > > HI KIDS > I just got back from another delivery. i moved a Commander 114 from > Stockton (SKC) TO ALN near St Louis. left about 11am and flew > direct to Tonnapah TPH NV. There was no 100 oct fuel available at > Stockton, can you believe it???????????????? Anyway, landed at TPH > to find no one home here ether. The place was open but mo one > around. I cleared the fuel meter and tried the on off switch, it > worked!! So, I topped off and left a note with my CC info taped to > the cash register. They called later to thank me for the biz. > Crossed the Sierras at 13.5 then let back down. Climbed to 9.5 > after TPH then finally to 14.5 to cross the Rockies just south of > Denver. > Flew direct to Goodland KS (GLD) and landed after dark. Topped off > again and made it to ALN. I crossed John Towners place at about > 9:45 @9.5 and had a wonderful view of all of KC. it is a beautiful > city at night. Had 45-50 Knot tailwinds for a ground speed of > 190-195 KTS!!! The airplane is a 148Knot normal cruse. Touched > down about 11PM. I have a couple more deliveries lined up, but next > week it will be of to the Barrett Jackson car auction in > Scottsdale.for some R&R. jb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Real Flying
Date: Jan 12, 2009
http://www.vimeo.com/1778399 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 16, 2009
Subject: Another Commander Lost
****************************************************************************** ** ** Report created 1/16/2009 Record 1 ** ****************************************************************************** ** IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 840NK Make/Model: AC90 Description: 690 Turbo Commander 690 Date: 01/15/2009 Time: 1400 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: WRAY State: CO Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED, NEAR WRAY, CO INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2 # Crew: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: NOT REPORTED OTHER DATA Activity: Unknown Phase: Approach Operation: OTHER FAA FSDO: DENVER, CO (NM03) Entry date: 01/16/2009 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Another Commander Lost
Date: Jan 16, 2009
Hi Bert, Oh heck - not a good start to 2009. ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Commander-List: Another Commander Lost ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 1/16/2009 Record 1 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 840NK Make/Model: AC90 Description: 690 Turbo Commander 690 Date: 01/15/2009 Time: 1400 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: WRAY State: CO Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED, NEAR WRAY, CO INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2 # Crew: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: NOT REPORTED OTHER DATA Activity: Unknown Phase: Approach Operation: OTHER FAA FSDO: DENVER, CO (NM03) Entry date: 01/16/2009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A Good Credit Score is 700 o28747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=6 68072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62"> See yours in just 2 easy steps! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another Commander Lost
Date: Jan 16, 2009
Hi Folks, More bad news. On another topic, does anyone have a fairly quick and easy method of heating the five gallons of oil in each rubber bladder on a 680Fp (or similar) in cold weather. Draining all 10 gallons and heating it takes for ever. I have a dual engine heater, however the oil supply is still cold. Regards, Moe N680RR Proud holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Barry Collman Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Another Commander Lost Hi Bert, Oh heck - not a good start to 2009. ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: Commander-List: Another Commander Lost ************************************************************************* ******* ** Report created 1/16/2009 Record 1 ** ************************************************************************* ******* IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 840NK Make/Model: AC90 Description: 690 Turbo Commander 690 Date: 01/15/2009 Time: 1400 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: WRAY State: CO Country: US DESCRIPTION AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE TWO PERSONS ON BOARD WERE FATALLY INJURED, NEAR WRAY, CO INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2 # Crew: 2 Fat: 2 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: NOT REPORTED OTHER DATA Activity: Unknown Phase: Approach Operation: OTHER FAA FSDO: DENVER, CO (NM03) Entry date: 01/16/2009 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A Good Credit Score is 700 o28747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=6 68072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO62"> See yours in just 2 easy steps! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: How much is a trillion dollars?
Date: Jan 17, 2009
A dollar bill is 6 1/8th inches long and 2 5/8 inches wide. If we lay $1 bills longways end to end, one trillion dollars would stretch about 96.6 million miles or 3,866 times around the earth. That's 3 million miles beyond the sun. And not a dime of it has been or will be spent by you. Congress alone is responsible for burning that money. You alone can change it. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: How much is a trillion dollars?
Date: Jan 17, 2009
That's pretty shocking. Not meaning to detract from Nico's message, but the terms dollars and billion struck a chord, so I thought I'd share this: When I went to school in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia) and later South Africa, we used the long scale, so a billion was a million million (12 zeroes) and a trillion was a million million million (18 zeroes). Today's short-scale billion (1,000,000,000) was called a milliard. But what is interesting is that Zimbabwe has recently released a $100-trillion dollar note. See here: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=84&art_id=nw200901 16083851567C343497 Note though: this is *after* they lopped off ten zeroes from the currency in August last year. The note is worth about US$300. Sad. God bless, Andrew A dollar bill is 6 1/8th inches long and 2 5/8 inches wide. If we lay $1 bills longways end to end, one trillion dollars would stretch about 96.6 million miles or 3,866 times around the earth. That's 3 million miles beyond the sun. And not a dime of it has been or will be spent by you. Congress alone is responsible for burning that money. You alone can change it. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 18, 2009
Subject: Re: How much is a trillion dollars?
From: Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com>
As a professor of surgery I try to make a visual comparison as I teach medical students. I ask "how much do we spend on health care inn USA?" they don't know - it is 2.2 trillion. so then I give the visual - a stack of fresh 1000 dollar bills is 8 inches high - billion is 300 feet high, trillion is 23 miles high. bobf On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 9:44 PM, nico css wrote: > A dollar bill is 6 1/8th inches long and 2 5/8 inches wide. If we lay $1 > bills longways end to end, one trillion dollars would stretch about 96.6 > million miles or 3,866 times around the earth. That's 3 million miles beyond > the sun. > > And not a dime of it has been or will be spent by you. Congress alone is > responsible for burning that money. You alone can change it. > > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 19, 2009
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: CASH DEMO
I found the verbal demonstrations of how much cash a billion and trillion b ucks quite enlightening.- I thought I would make an impression on my wife as to our retirement income, so I lined up our monthly income in 100 dolla r bills.- I laid out a foot and went to get Teresa.- Buy the time we go t back from the den- the revenue department came by and took 9". dan f =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: CASH DEMO
Date: Jan 19, 2009
Ouch. That's 75%?!!? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Commander-List: CASH DEMO I found the verbal demonstrations of how much cash a billion and trillion bucks quite enlightening. I thought I would make an impression on my wife as to our retirement income, so I lined up our monthly income in 100 dollar bills. I laid out a foot and went to get Teresa. Buy the time we got back from the den the revenue department came by and took 9". dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2009
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due?=0A-=0AD onnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>=0ATo: commander-l ist(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM=0ASubject: C ommander-List: Flight Group website=0A=0A=0AHi Guys,=0A-=0AWhat's happene d to the www.aerocommander.com website?=0A-=0AIt's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommand er.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion".=0A-=0AB ===0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
No it does not. Looks like the web site administrator didn't renew. Bert In a message dated 1/20/2009 9:23:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: _Donnie Rose_ (mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com) Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ____________________________________ From: Barry Collman <_barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk_ (mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk) > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the _www.aerocommander.com_ (http://www.aerocommander.com/) website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "_aerocommander.com_ (http://aerocommander.com/) expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D============================================ href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D========================= 3D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D================================== ========== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D===================================== ======= (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! cemailfooterNO62) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
I'll take a look right away... Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Don Barry" <don.barry(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
What we're talking about is the registration for the domain name "aerocommander.com". It has to go through a registrant, who charges are annual fee for managing the domain names. Our "subscription" to manage aerocommander.com has expired. Don _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com <http://aerocommander.com/> expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution 3D=========================3 D=================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2009
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Flight Group website
Barry, I got the same thing. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Hi Jim, OK - thanks. Thanks too, to Don for explaining what's wrong and to Nico for looking into it. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website Barry, I got the same thing. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:59 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
From: Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com>
you need to renew it right away - someone can snatch it up and it wouldn't be available to you - I have about a dozen domains registered - should run about 9 or 10 bucks a year. I have mine registered at gkg.net. I'll take a look using whois and see who is the administrator bobf On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:27 AM, nico css wrote: > I'll take a look right away... > Nico > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry Collman > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:59 AM > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Flight Group website > > Hi Guys, > > What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? > > It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting > a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending > renewal or deletion". > > Best Regards, > Barry > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
From: Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Nico - here is the output bobf Visit AboutUs.org for more information about AEROCOMMANDER.COM AboutUs: AEROCOMMANDER.COM <http://www.aboutus.org/AEROCOMMANDER.COM> Registrant: Pending Renewal or Deletion P.O. Box 430 Herndon, VA. US 20172-0447 Domain Name: AEROCOMMANDER.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Promote your business to millions of viewers for only $1 a month Learn how you can get an Enhanced Business Listing here for your domain name. Learn more at http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Administrative Contact: Pending Renewal or Deletion pendingrenewalordeletion(at)networksolutions.com P.O. Box 430 Herndon, VA 20172-0447 US 570-708-8786 Technical Contact: Pending Renewal or Deletion pendingrenewalordeletion(at)networksolutions.com P.O. Box 430 Herndon, VA 20172-0447 US 570-708-8786 Record expires on 12-Jan-2009. Record created on 12-Jan-2000. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM 205.178.190.51 NS2.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM 205.178.144.51 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:27 AM, nico css wrote: > I'll take a look right away... > Nico > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Barry Collman > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:59 AM > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Flight Group website > > Hi Guys, > > What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? > > It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting > a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending > renewal or deletion". > > Best Regards, > Barry > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
My company has a VIP account with networksolutions and they graciously offered to give us a 15-day extension on aerocommander.com until we can sort this out. Our site should be back up in a couple of hours. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, guys. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Nico - here is the output bobf Visit AboutUs.org for more information about AEROCOMMANDER.COM AboutUs: AEROCOMMANDER.COM <http://www.aboutus.org/AEROCOMMANDER.COM> Registrant: Pending Renewal or Deletion P.O. Box 430 Herndon, VA. US 20172-0447 Domain Name: AEROCOMMANDER.COM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Promote your business to millions of viewers for only $1 a month Learn how you can get an Enhanced Business Listing here for your domain name. Learn more at http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Administrative Contact: Pending Renewal or Deletion pendingrenewalordeletion(at)networksolutions.com P.O. Box 430 Herndon, VA 20172-0447 US 570-708-8786 Technical Contact: Pending Renewal or Deletion pendingrenewalordeletion(at)networksolutions.com P.O. Box 430 Herndon, VA 20172-0447 US 570-708-8786 Record expires on 12-Jan-2009. Record created on 12-Jan-2000. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM 205.178.190.51 NS2.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM 205.178.144.51 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:27 AM, nico css wrote: I'll take a look right away... Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2009
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on su ccessfully to your site. Have you already fixed it?=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A 205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Barr y Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>=0ATo: commander-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-L ist: Flight Group website=0A=0A=0AHi Donnie,=0A-=0ANot sure what you mean !=0AI've never paid any kind of subscription for any website!=0A-=0ADoes the 'normal' page load OK at your end?=0A-=0ABest Regards,=0ABarry=0A---- - Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Donnie Rose =0ATo: commander-list@matroni cs.com =0ASent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander- List: Flight Group website=0A=0AMorning Barry, could it be that your websit e subscription is due?=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: Barry Collman <barry.collman@ai r-britain.co.uk>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, Januar y 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Flight Group website=0A=0A =0AHi Guys,=0A-=0AWhat's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? =0A-=0AIt's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pen ding renewal or deletion".=0A-=0ABest Regards,=0ABarry =0A=0A 3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://forums.mat ronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://www.matron ics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =0A ========== =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Hi Donnie, It's not my website. If it was - it probably wouldn't work ;-) Nico is sorting it out now. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on successfully to your site. Have you already fixed it? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D" 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com>
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Subject: Ok. so its not *exactly* a commander q, but.. seeking
advice So, I'm almost to the point where I can refurb the other airplane, an IAR82 3. It has been sitting for awhile, and the engine ran sort-of high oil tem ps before anyway. So I think I want to overhaul its (Lycoming IO540 G2D5) engine. I want a good job, but mainly am interested in keeping the cost down, but q uality up. If cost was no object I could go with one of those gold-plated victor rebuilds, but I'd rather go for plain but good. Does anyone have a engine shop they would recommend? Bruce ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
The site's back up, folks, even though it's only for the next two weeks. Chris and I will work on getting it renewed. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on successfully to your site. Have you already fixed it? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com/> website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com <http://aerocommander.com/> expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D==================== href <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List3D======= 3D===========href=> '3D" <http://forums.matronics.com/> D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Hi Nico, Well, no effect over here yet, but I'll check again tomorrow morning! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website The site's back up, folks, even though it's only for the next two weeks. Chris and I will work on getting it renewed. Thanks Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on successfully to your site. Have you already fixed it? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D" 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Ok. so its not *exactly* a commander q, but.. seeking
advice
Date: Jan 20, 2009
The flying club that I was in used Signature Engines, Inc. at Lunken Airport, Cincinnati, OH 513-871-9966, See adv inTrade-a- plane. They stock a IO-540-E1B5 engine that is on the 500B,U or S with the up exhausts. Not sure what a G2D5 is? The club used the Lyc on the Cessna 172 and put a pair of Cont IO-520 on a Baron. That was about $25-26K each. Only problem was one oil dip stick was not marked correctly. it showed 10 Quarts but there was only 7 quarts in it. It would drop oil pressure at odd times as the oil unported the pickup. They found it the problem and all was well. Some one did not count the quarts going in and only looked at the dip stick. Tylor Hall On Jan 20, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Bruce Campbell wrote: > So, I=92m almost to the point where I can refurb the other airplane, > an IAR823. It has been sitting for awhile, and the engine ran sort- > of high oil temps before anyway. So I think I want to overhaul its > (Lycoming IO540 G2D5) engine. > > I want a good job, but mainly am interested in keeping the cost > down, but quality up. If cost was no object I could go with one of > those gold-plated victor rebuilds, but I=92d rather go for plain but > good. Does anyone have a engine shop they would recommend? > > Bruce > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 20, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Barry Collman wrote: > Hi Guys, > > What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com > <http://www.aerocommander.com> website? Hi Barry. Apparently the registration has expired. I still own the domain and had been letting the 560 kids (Chris and ???) renew it. Forwarded the renew info to Nico several weeks ago, but I guess it hasn't been tended to yet. I'll try to help getting it sorted out. chris schuermann ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Hold the Ctrl key down while pressing F5, which should reload the page and clearing the cache. Let me know if that helps. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Nico, Well, no effect over here yet, but I'll check again tomorrow morning! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website The site's back up, folks, even though it's only for the next two weeks. Chris and I will work on getting it renewed. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on successfully to your site. Have you already fixed it? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com/> website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com <http://aerocommander.com/> expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D==================== href <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List3D======= 3D===========href=> '3D" <http://forums.matronics.com/> 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution 3D=========================3 D=================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: A Meal To Die For
Date: Jan 20, 2009
This is how it ought to be. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4632991n ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 20, 2009
Update: The domain has been transferred to my account at networksolutions and renewed for a year. I will transfer the website soon and then we should be good to go. It'll make life a lot easier for me, too, working on the site. Sorry for the interruption. Thanks Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 21, 2009
Hi Nico, No effect yet. I'll keep checking over the next few days. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hold the Ctrl key down while pressing F5, which should reload the page and clearing the cache. Let me know if that helps. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:12 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Nico, Well, no effect over here yet, but I'll check again tomorrow morning! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website The site's back up, folks, even though it's only for the next two weeks. Chris and I will work on getting it renewed. Thanks Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on successfully to your site. Have you already fixed it? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie Rose To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D" 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.c om/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Flight Group website
Date: Jan 21, 2009
You should have the site coming up by now, Barry. Delete your temporary internet files and try again. It could be that your browser is holding on to the error message in its cache. Let me know. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:21 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Nico, No effect yet. I'll keep checking over the next few days. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hold the Ctrl key down while pressing F5, which should reload the page and clearing the cache. Let me know if that helps. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Nico, Well, no effect over here yet, but I'll check again tomorrow morning! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flight Group website The site's back up, folks, even though it's only for the next two weeks. Chris and I will work on getting it renewed. Thanks Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Barry, I see you have gotten the reqd info, however, I just logged on successfully to your site. Have you already fixed it? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22:53 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Donnie, Not sure what you mean! I've never paid any kind of subscription for any website! Does the 'normal' page load OK at your end? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Donnie <mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Rose Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flight Group website Morning Barry, could it be that your website subscription is due? Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _____ From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:58:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group website Hi Guys, What's happened to the www.aerocommander.com <http://www.aerocommander.com/> website? It's my Home Page, but when I went onto the Internet just now, I'm getting a message that "aerocommander.com <http://aerocommander.com/> expired on 01/12/2009 and is pending renewal or deletion". Best Regards, Barry 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D==================== href <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List3D======= 3D===========href=> '3D" <http://forums.matronics.com/> 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"'>http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=========================3 D=================== href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution 3D=========================3 D=================== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Some nice flying footage
Date: Jan 25, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uzpDy3n3Vs <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uzpDy3n3Vs&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FegjhEpR_U <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FegjhEpR_U&NR=1> &NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVNOmP0QIAQ <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVNOmP0QIAQ&NR=1> &NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBmm5YnoKsk <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBmm5YnoKsk&feature=related> &feature=related French fighters: I didn't know at that speed there was so much stick movement. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: Amazing video
Date: Jan 29, 2009
BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE _____ This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal _____ = _____ Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get <http://toolbar.aol.com/popeater/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000027> Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 29, 2009
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE _____ This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal _____ = _____ Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get <http://toolbar.aol.com/popeater/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000027> Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "dongirod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
Date: Jan 30, 2009
Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
Date: Jan 30, 2009
I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall > Australian Gun Law Update > Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts > > From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia > > Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data > from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun > owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 > personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program > cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. > > The first year results are now available: > > Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; > > Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; > > Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); > > In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up > 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private > ownership of a firearm was legal. > > (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, > the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still > possess their guns.) > > While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately > owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, > this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as > criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. > > There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of > the elderly, while the resident is at home. > > Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety > has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended > in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' > > This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights > of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in > the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If > President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there > will not be any reporting any of this to you. > > But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands > of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control > laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. > > Americans may want to take note before it's too late! > > FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. > > DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. > > BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT > HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: > Amen! > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Addington > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this > country are going to do there dead level best to do here. > I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a > sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. > I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. > Jim Addington > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM > To: 'art la combe' > Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > > BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! > > > The British called - They want their rights back! > http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE > > > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and > cleared by MailMarshal > > > > > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. > > > - The Commander-List Email Forum - > <>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
Date: Jan 30, 2009
Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late! FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum -<>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Depressurizing a Commander
Date: Jan 30, 2009
Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Depressurizing a Commander
Date: Jan 30, 2009
Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Depressurizing a Commander
Date: Jan 30, 2009
Tom, I will keep you updated. Sorry, but I have forgotten what model Commander you fly. Please advise. Regards, Moe From: Tom Fisher Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Depressurizing a Commander
Date: Jan 30, 2009
Thanks. 680FLP (Mr.RPM) C-GISS is not currently pressurized as this was a survey aircraft for 19 years. In time I want to get a COOL AIR as well. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Tom, I will keep you updated. Sorry, but I have forgotten what model Commander you fly. Please advise. Regards, Moe From: Tom Fisher Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:58 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 31, 2009
Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
From: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely =8Cover the top=B9 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" wrote: > Tyler, > > Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time fin ding > it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. > > Regards, > > Moe > > From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > I just received this from a friend. > Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? > Tylor Hall > >> >> Australian Gun Law Update >> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts >> >> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia >> >> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data fr om >> Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in >> Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firear ms to >> be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpa yers >> more than $500 million dollars. >> >> The first year results are now available: >> >> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; >> >> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; >> >> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); >> >> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 >> percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownershi p of >> a firearm was legal. >> >> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the >> criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their >> guns.) >> >> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately own ed >> guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has >> changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are >> assured their victims will be unarmed. >> >> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of th e >> elderly, while the resident is at home. >> >> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has >> decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in >> 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' >> >> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of >> lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the >> mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama >> advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any repor ting >> any of this to you. >> >> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of >> honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affe ct >> only the law-abiding citizens. >> >> Americans may want to take note before it's too late! >> >> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. >> >> DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. >> >> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAP PENED >> IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! > On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: > >> >> >> Amen! >> >> >> >> Don >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> >>> >>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM >>> >>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are >>> going to do there dead level best to do here. >>> >>> I got an email that had a clip that said =B3A fear of weapons is a sign of >>> retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=B2 Sigmund Freud. >>> >>> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. >>> >>> Jim Addington >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico cs s >>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM >>> To: 'art la combe' >>> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The British called - They want their rights back! >>> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE >>> <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and clear ed by >>> MailMarshal >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood ne ws, >>> celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar >>> <http://toolbar.aol.com/popeater/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000027 > . >>> >>> >>> - The Commander-List Email Forum - >>> <>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> - List Contribution Web Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronic >>> s.com/Navigator?Commander-List >>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> http://forums.matronics.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; >> ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics. > com/Navigator?Commander-List <http://www.matronics.com/c> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://www.matronics.com/c> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
Date: Jan 31, 2009
After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out. Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are > mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a > massacre that killed 17 people. > > I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this > was an absolutely =91over the top=92 reaction to a very unfortunate > incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the > estimate of number of weapons destroyed. > > The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple > of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania. > > And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out > screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of > limelight. > > Cheers from Oz > > Russell > > > On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" > wrote: > > Tyler, > > Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard > time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. > > Regards, > > Moe > > From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > I just received this from a friend. > Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? > Tylor Hall > > > Australian Gun Law Update > Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts > > From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia > > Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available > data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since > gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender > 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a > program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million > dollars. > > The first year results are now available: > > Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; > > Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; > > Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); > > In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up > 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private > ownership of a firearm was legal. > > (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, > the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still > possess their guns.) > > While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately > owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, > this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as > criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. > > There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults > of the elderly, while the resident is at home. > > Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety > has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was > expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' > > This story of well intentioned government intervention in the > rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be > seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If > President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there > will not be any reporting any of this to you. > > But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands > of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control > laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. > > Americans may want to take note before it's too late! > > FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. > > DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. > > BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT > HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! > > On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: > > > Amen! > > > Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > > That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this > country are going to do there dead level best to do here. > > I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a > sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. > > I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. > > Jim Addington > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM > To: 'art la combe' > Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > > BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! > > > The British called - They want their rights back! > http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE > > > > > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and > cleared by MailMarshal > > > > > > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
Date: Jan 31, 2009
Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing videoRussell, Do you have any idea of how long it took for the armed robbery rate to accelerate to the approximate number quoted? This email is not new. I seem to remember seeing it quite some time ago. Is it possible that it was originally written about nine or ten years ago? Cheers! Moe Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Russell Legg Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:20 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely 'over the top' reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.


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