Commander-Archive.digest.vol-dj
April 28, 2009 - May 11, 2009
when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
fun though.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington |
Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Robert,
I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they want.
I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim-
For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
mind....
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C <- nosehweel in the front
N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly it
from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would look
when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
fun though.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Jim, Thanks for sharing that.
I'm not a pilot yet, and most of you would call me "young" :) (I was born 10 years
after that video was made) but recognize well all the planes, specially the
good old 520! although I had never even heard of the "humming bird channel wing"...
did that thing really fly? (fail to see the connection w the birds Nico
posted recently...) but shows that even Dick Rutan's aircraft were inspired
from previous models...
My Dad started flying on the C170 and as you guys have recommended me I'm on the
look out to start flying as soon as the weather gets better around here, and
yes I've already scouted a grass trip (3hr drive...) where they mostly have taildraggers.
All that to tell you, that the good old fashion aviation still lingers on the heart
and blood of other generations!
560 Dreamer
EAA#879689
Subject: April EAA 582 Newsletter
Date: April 18, 2009 8:56:45 AM GMT-04:00
Hi Everyone,
Don't forget about our Member Meeting THIS Thursday at our hangar;
Members Meeting - All About Birds, with ornithologist Peter Bichier
Event Type: Members Meeting - Everyone is invited.
Where: 582 Hangar@ Toledo Metcalf Airport (KTDZ)
Description: All About Birds - Our Winged Friends (and sometimes unintended targets)
with well-known ornithologist (and new EAA 582 member) Peter Bichier. Bring
your questions, like "Can birds fly IFR?" and "How can I best avoid them?"
Peter is very interesting and also a very animated speaker, so this should be
loads of fun.
See you there!
Tony Kirk
EAA 582 Webmaster
http://www.eaa582.org
Subject: Commander-List:
Date: April 27, 2009 3:33:33 PM GMT-04:00
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_199609-1.html
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241739#241739
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Press 1 For English |
Subject: Press 1 For English
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
560 Dreamer just hang in there, every one had to start somewhere,and I
really do recommend starting in a tail wheel plane. If you do you will never
be afraid of one and it is easer to go to the nose wheel second.
Good luck
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Jim, Thanks for sharing that.
I'm not a pilot yet, and most of you would call me "young" :) (I was born 10
years after that video was made) but recognize well all the planes,
specially the good old 520! although I had never even heard of the "humming
bird channel wing"... did that thing really fly? (fail to see the connection
w the birds Nico posted recently...) but shows that even Dick Rutan's
aircraft were inspired from previous models...
My Dad started flying on the C170 and as you guys have recommended me I'm on
the look out to start flying as soon as the weather gets better around here,
and yes I've already scouted a grass trip (3hr drive...) where they mostly
have taildraggers.
All that to tell you, that the good old fashion aviation still lingers on
the heart and blood of other generations!
560 Dreamer
EAA#879689
Subject: April EAA 582 Newsletter
Date: April 18, 2009 8:56:45 AM GMT-04:00
Hi Everyone,
Don't forget about our Member Meeting THIS Thursday at our hangar;
Members Meeting - All About Birds, with ornithologist Peter Bichier
Event Type: Members Meeting - Everyone is invited.
Where: 582 Hangar@ Toledo Metcalf Airport (KTDZ)
Description: All About Birds - Our Winged Friends (and sometimes
unintended targets) with well-known ornithologist (and new EAA 582 member)
Peter Bichier. Bring your questions, like "Can birds fly IFR?" and "How can
I best avoid them?" Peter is very interesting and also a very animated
speaker, so this should be loads of fun.
See you there!
Tony Kirk
EAA 582 Webmaster
http://www.eaa582.org
Subject: Commander-List:
Date: April 27, 2009 3:33:33 PM GMT-04:00
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241739#241739
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
All success and happy skies to you, Peter.
You will always cherish the experience.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
-->
Jim, Thanks for sharing that.
I'm not a pilot yet, and most of you would call me "young" :) (I was born 10
years after that video was made) but recognize well all the planes,
specially the good old 520! although I had never even heard of the "humming
bird channel wing"... did that thing really fly? (fail to see the connection
w the birds Nico posted recently...) but shows that even Dick Rutan's
aircraft were inspired from previous models...
My Dad started flying on the C170 and as you guys have recommended me I'm on
the look out to start flying as soon as the weather gets better around here,
and yes I've already scouted a grass trip (3hr drive...) where they mostly
have taildraggers.
All that to tell you, that the good old fashion aviation still lingers on
the heart and blood of other generations!
560 Dreamer
EAA#879689
Subject: April EAA 582 Newsletter
Date: April 18, 2009 8:56:45 AM GMT-04:00
Hi Everyone,
Don't forget about our Member Meeting THIS Thursday at our hangar; Members
Meeting - All About Birds, with ornithologist Peter Bichier
Event Type: Members Meeting - Everyone is invited.
Where: 582 Hangar@ Toledo Metcalf Airport (KTDZ)
Description: All About Birds - Our Winged Friends (and sometimes
unintended targets) with well-known ornithologist (and new EAA 582 member)
Peter Bichier. Bring your questions, like "Can birds fly IFR?" and "How can
I best avoid them?" Peter is very interesting and also a very animated
speaker, so this should be loads of fun.
See you there!
Tony Kirk
EAA 582 Webmaster
http://www.eaa582.org
Subject: Commander-List:
Date: April 27, 2009 3:33:33 PM GMT-04:00
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241739#241739
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Jim-
Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many cases
where persistence pays.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Robert,
I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they want.
I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim-
For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
mind....
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C <- nosehweel in the front
N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly it
from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would look
when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
fun though.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with this
type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest pains
and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him. He
had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of stress
and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my private
license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is it
was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
Thanks
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim-
Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many cases
where persistence pays.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Robert,
I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they want.
I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim-
For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
mind....
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C <- nosehweel in the front
N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly it
from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would look
when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
fun though.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but at
least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
that didn't amount to squat.
I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
(serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval ends
up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
> this
> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
> pains
> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
> He
> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of stress
> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my private
> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
> it
> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
> Thanks
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Jim-
>
> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
> cases
> where persistence pays.
>
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Robert,
> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
> want.
> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Jim-
>
> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>
> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>
> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
> mind....
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
> it
> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
> look
> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
> fun though.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
> Lorber
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
> To: Jim Addington
> Subject: Commander-List:
>
> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
> 9-1.html
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
Commander Land;
I have a friend who lost his medical, when it looked like the light sports
flying was going to happen he went out and bought a Champ. When they passed
the new rule, he was denied the license because his medical had been
revoked. If he did not have a medical he would have been allowed to fly,
but because he had lost his medical, the drivers license bit did not apply,
so he sold the 'champ', a shame. He loved to go fly the Commander with me
and could give me a bi-annual as long as I was still current as he could not
be pilot in command. But he could still fly gliders! Crazy.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but
> at least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed
> so stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over
> things that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval
> ends up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>>
>>
>> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
>> this
>> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
>> pains
>> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
>> He
>> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of
>> stress
>> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my
>> private
>> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
>> it
>> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
>> Thanks
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
>> cases
>> where persistence pays.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
>> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
>> want.
>> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>>
>> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>>
>> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
>> mind....
>>
>> Robert S. Randazzo
>> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
>> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
>> it
>> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
>> look
>> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
>> fun though.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
>> Lorber
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
>> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
>> To: Jim Addington
>> Subject: Commander-List:
>>
>> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>>
>>
>> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
>> 9-1.html
>>
>>
>>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two Taylorcrafts,
a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three need
to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday and
still nothing.
Thanks for writing.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but at
least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
that didn't amount to squat.
I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
(serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval ends
up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
> this
> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
> pains
> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
> He
> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of stress
> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my private
> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
> it
> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
> Thanks
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Jim-
>
> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
> cases
> where persistence pays.
>
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Robert,
> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
> want.
> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Jim-
>
> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>
> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>
> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
> mind....
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
> it
> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
> look
> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
> fun though.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
> Lorber
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
> To: Jim Addington
> Subject: Commander-List:
>
> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
> 9-1.html
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
The stress those people put through if really well I better not say what I
really think about it. I will go ahead and see if I can get my CFI renewed
and can give BFRs and as long as the pilot is current in the aircraft I can
give some instruction.
I am going to call again tomorrow and see if I can find out what it is they
want. I think she told me she could not tell me though.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Commander Land;
I have a friend who lost his medical, when it looked like the light sports
flying was going to happen he went out and bought a Champ. When they passed
the new rule, he was denied the license because his medical had been
revoked. If he did not have a medical he would have been allowed to fly,
but because he had lost his medical, the drivers license bit did not apply,
so he sold the 'champ', a shame. He loved to go fly the Commander with me
and could give me a bi-annual as long as I was still current as he could not
be pilot in command. But he could still fly gliders! Crazy.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but
> at least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed
> so stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over
> things that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval
> ends up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>>
>>
>> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
>> this
>> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
>> pains
>> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
>> He
>> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of
>> stress
>> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my
>> private
>> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
>> it
>> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
>> Thanks
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
>> cases
>> where persistence pays.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
>> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
>> want.
>> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>>
>> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>>
>> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
>> mind....
>>
>> Robert S. Randazzo
>> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
>> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
>> it
>> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
>> look
>> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
>> fun though.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
>> Lorber
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
>> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
>> To: Jim Addington
>> Subject: Commander-List:
>>
>> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>>
>>
>>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
>> 9-1.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
A T-cart that needs rebuilding! I would love to do a Clip-T. I've spoken
with some guys that have glowing things to say about an 0-200 clip-T. So
many other projects have gotten in the way (money helps too.) But the Clip-T
has really appealed to me for years.
Have you seen the new Swick? http://www.swickt.com/
Yahoo!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two
> Taylorcrafts,
> a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three
> need
> to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
> had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
> He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday
> and
> still nothing.
> Thanks for writing.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but
> at
> least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
> stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
> that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval
> ends
>
> up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>>
>>
>> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
>> this
>> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
>> pains
>> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
>> He
>> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of
>> stress
>> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my
>> private
>> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
>> it
>> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
>> Thanks
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
>> cases
>> where persistence pays.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
>> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
>> want.
>> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>>
>> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>>
>> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
>> mind....
>>
>> Robert S. Randazzo
>> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
>> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
>> it
>> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
>> look
>> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
>> fun though.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
>> Lorber
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
>> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
>> To: Jim Addington
>> Subject: Commander-List:
>>
>> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
>> 9-1.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
Good Morning blorber,
Well, I don't know about the superhuman beings that were flight instructing
back then, but I had been instructing since 1949 and was doing so fairly
comfortably and with reasonable success.
Happy Skies
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 4/27/2009 3:35:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com writes:
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
**************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Other projects have gotten in the way of getting any of these rebuilt,
mainly money. I want to put an O-200 in the Champ primarily for the starter
and generator. The L-2 was a lot of fun and really a good flying plane. I
tore it down for recovering and had a guy that was supposed to do it and I
got taken for him not doing anything and he went to the Far East and I have
not heard from him since.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
A T-cart that needs rebuilding! I would love to do a Clip-T. I've spoken
with some guys that have glowing things to say about an 0-200 clip-T. So
many other projects have gotten in the way (money helps too.) But the Clip-T
has really appealed to me for years.
Have you seen the new Swick? http://www.swickt.com/
Yahoo!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:23 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two
> Taylorcrafts,
> a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three
> need
> to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
> had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
> He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday
> and
> still nothing.
> Thanks for writing.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but
> at
> least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
> stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
> that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval
> ends
>
> up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>>
>>
>> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
>> this
>> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
>> pains
>> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
>> He
>> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of
>> stress
>> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my
>> private
>> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
>> it
>> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
>> Thanks
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
>> cases
>> where persistence pays.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert,
>> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
>> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
>> want.
>> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
>> Jim A
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
>> Randazzo
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim-
>>
>> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>>
>> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>>
>> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
>> mind....
>>
>> Robert S. Randazzo
>> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
>> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
>> it
>> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
>> look
>> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
>> fun though.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
>> Lorber
>> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>>
>> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
>> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim
>> Addington
>> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
>> To: Jim Addington
>> Subject: Commander-List:
>>
>> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
>> Jim Addington
>> N444BD
>>
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>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
>> 9-1.html
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________________________________________________________________________________
You may contact www.virtualflightsurgeons.com I had a very good experience with them.
Kindest regards,
Bill
---- Jim Addington wrote:
>
> If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two Taylorcrafts,
> a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three need
> to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
> had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
> He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday and
> still nothing.
> Thanks for writing.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but at
> least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
> stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
> that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval ends
>
> up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> >
> >
> > They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
> > this
> > type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
> > pains
> > and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
> > He
> > had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of stress
> > and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my private
> > license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
> > it
> > was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
> > Thanks
> > Jim A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
> > cases
> > where persistence pays.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> > I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
> > November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
> > want.
> > I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
> > Jim A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
> >
> > Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
> >
> > Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
> > mind....
> >
> > Robert S. Randazzo
> > N414C <- nosehweel in the front
> > N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
> > it
> > from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
> > look
> > when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
> > fun though.
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
> > Lorber
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> > Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
> > superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
> > Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
> > To: Jim Addington
> > Subject: Commander-List:
> >
> > I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
> > 9-1.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| From: | "scottmain" <scottmain2003(at)aol.com> |
greeting everyone. I own one of the 560A birds used by the airforce in 1955 designated
l-26. SN# 55-4647. I am planning a return to original paint scheme and
here is the request. I want to find the REAL paint code for the Polar White
and Cobalt Blue paint used on the original scheme. I have spoken with the folks
currently operating contemporary aircraft in the USAF and I havn't been able
to get an answer. I have read though the Eisenhower library records and it appears
the original 520 sent for evaluation had the blue and white scheme. After
deciding to purchase them Eisenhower was asked how he wanted them painted. his
reply was to keep them as delivered. From this I deduce that the color and
scheme was a factory stock item in 1955. Does anyone out there have suggestions
where to look for this info? I have talked to the folks with the L-26 at Dayton.
I would like to get the real code from the original spec. There must be a
record out there somewhere with more than a generic name for the colors. I think
this will be the only original L-26 flying so I want to get it right and make
all of us proud. Any help appreciated.
Thanks in advance
scottmain2003(at)aol.com
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| From: | "scottmain" <scottmain2003(at)aol.com> |
Serial number is incorrect but email had already been sent out. my apologies.
scott
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
It has been a week since they were supposed to send me what information they
need. If I get something bad or an other delaying tactic I will get in touch
with them.
Thanks
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
n55bz(at)cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
You may contact www.virtualflightsurgeons.com I had a very good experience
with them.
Kindest regards,
Bill
---- Jim Addington wrote:
>
> If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two
Taylorcrafts,
> a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three
need
> to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
> had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
> He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday
and
> still nothing.
> Thanks for writing.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but
at
> least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
> stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
> that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval
ends
>
> up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> >
> >
> > They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
> > this
> > type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
> > pains
> > and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
> > He
> > had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of
stress
> > and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my
private
> > license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say
is
> > it
> > was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
> > Thanks
> > Jim A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
> > cases
> > where persistence pays.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> > I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
> > November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
> > want.
> > I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
> > Jim A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
> >
> > Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
> >
> > Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
> > mind....
> >
> > Robert S. Randazzo
> > N414C <- nosehweel in the front
> > N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to
fly
> > it
> > from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
> > look
> > when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure
were
> > fun though.
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
> > Lorber
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> > Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
> > superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim
Addington
> > Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
> > To: Jim Addington
> > Subject: Commander-List:
> >
> > I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
> > 9-1.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Scott-
Whilst restoring our USMC WWII Pacific Theater Veteran SNJ6, we found the
smithsonian's garber facility to be a HUGE resource for paint matching.
They went out of their way to help us- for no remuneration other than a
phone call to say thanks..
I'll dig around and see if I can find the number we called....
Robert Randazzo
N414C
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottmain
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Commander-List: l-26 paint
greeting everyone. I own one of the 560A birds used by the airforce in 1955
designated l-26. SN# 55-4647. I am planning a return to original paint
scheme and here is the request. I want to find the REAL paint code for the
Polar White and Cobalt Blue paint used on the original scheme. I have spoken
with the folks currently operating contemporary aircraft in the USAF and I
havn't been able to get an answer. I have read though the Eisenhower library
records and it appears the original 520 sent for evaluation had the blue and
white scheme. After deciding to purchase them Eisenhower was asked how he
wanted them painted. his reply was to keep them as delivered. From this I
deduce that the color and scheme was a factory stock item in 1955. Does
anyone out there have suggestions where to look for this info? I have talked
to the folks with the L-26 at Dayton. I would like to get the real code from
the original spec. There must be a record out there somewhere with more than
a generic!
name for the colors. I think this will be the only original L-26 flying so
I want to get it right and make all of us proud. Any help appreciated.
Thanks in advance
scottmain2003(at)aol.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scottmain2003(at)aol.com |
thanks robert. sounds like a good lead
scott
In a message dated 4/29/2009 3:09:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Robert S. Randazzo"
Scott-
Whilst restoring our USMC WWII Pacific Theater Veteran SNJ6, we found the
smithsonian's garber facility to be a HUGE resource for paint matching.
They went out of their way to help us- for no remuneration other than a
phone call to say thanks..
I'll dig around and see if I can find the number we called....
Robert Randazzo
N414C
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottmain
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Commander-List: l-26 paint
greeting everyone. I own one of the 560A birds used by the airforce in 1955
designated l-26. SN# 55-4647. I am planning a return to original paint
scheme and here is the request. I want to find the REAL paint code for the
Polar White and Cobalt Blue paint used on the original scheme. I have
spoken
with the folks currently operating contemporary aircraft in the USAF and I
havn't been able to get an answer. I have read though the Eisenhower
library
records and it appears the original 520 sent for evaluation had the blue
and
white scheme. After deciding to purchase them Eisenhower was asked how he
wanted them painted. his reply was to keep them as delivered. From this I
deduce that the color and scheme was a factory stock item in 1955. Does
anyone out there have suggestions where to look for this info? I have
talked
to the folks with the L-26 at Dayton. I would like to get the real code
from
the original spec. There must be a record out there somewhere with more
than
a generic!
name for the colors. I think this will be the only original L-26 flying so
I want to get it right and make all of us proud. Any help appreciated.
Thanks in advance
scottmain2003(at)aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
| From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
the risk is ----- if they deny all classes, you cannot do LSA. Sometime it
is best to just let it run out, that way you are not denied, and you can fly
with your driver's license.
bobf
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Jim Addington wrote:
> jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
>
> If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two Taylorcrafts,
> a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three
> need
> to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
> had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
> He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday and
> still nothing.
> Thanks for writing.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>
>
> I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but at
> least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
> stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
> that didn't amount to squat.
>
> I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
> T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
> (serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
> denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
>
> Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
> mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval
> ends
>
> up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> >
> >
> > They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
> > this
> > type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
> > pains
> > and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
> > He
> > had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of
> stress
> > and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my
> private
> > license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
> > it
> > was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
> > Thanks
> > Jim A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
> > cases
> > where persistence pays.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> > I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
> > November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
> > want.
> > I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
> > Jim A
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> S.
> > Randazzo
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim-
> >
> > For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
> >
> > Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
> >
> > Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
> > mind....
> >
> > Robert S. Randazzo
> > N414C <- nosehweel in the front
> > N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Addington
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
> > it
> > from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
> > look
> > when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
> > fun though.
> > Jim Addington
> > N444BD
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
> > Lorber
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List:
> >
> > Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
> > superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > Jim Addington
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
After I had 9 Dr.s not find anything I thought I would not have any problem.
What a joke that was and as long as I have dealt with that bunch I should
have know better. I called EAA and talked with a lady there that was a real
sweet heart gem and she is going to call and find out what is going on. She
doesn't know why they want some of the test they ask for. Some I can
understand but some make no sense at all and are totally unrelated as well
as very expensive. The stress they put you under is ridiculous all because
the Dr. does not have the back bone to say yes.
If I seem a bit bitter I am.
Jim A
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
the risk is ----- if they deny all classes, you cannot do LSA. Sometime it
is best to just let it run out, that way you are not denied, and you can fly
with your driver's license.
bobf
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Jim Addington
wrote:
If this effort fails I will try for a third class. I have two Taylorcrafts,
a 1941 BC65, an L-2M, and the 7CCM Champ I got my license in. All three need
to be rebuilt. They sent my records to a Dr. in FL on the 13 of March, he
had 30 days to do something. What he did was say he need more information.
He was supposed to have sent me a letter last Thursday, this is Tuesday and
still nothing.
Thanks for writing.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
I wish the Feds would back off on people when not flying heavy iron, but at
least the light sport class was step in the right direction. It seemed so
stupid over the decades to see folks forced out of the saddle over things
that didn't amount to squat.
I thought some before writing, but figured I'd do it anyway. Cubs, Champs,
T-carts and a ton of new craft are open to fly on a driver's license
(serving as medical). From what I understand, it may be better to not get
denied a medical and fly that class than lose the medical entirely.
Please sir, take no offense. I know that option won't suit everyone, but
mentioned it just in case it hadn't been thunk of and gettting approval ends
up looking even more cagey. Its kep a lot of folks in the air.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
> They sure are slow. I honestly think they have killed more pilots with
> this
> type of thing than they have saved. I know one for sure. He had chest
> pains
> and would not go to the Dr. because he was afraid they would ground him.
> He
> had a heart attack and died. This delay has sure caused me a lot of stress
> and I was planning to go fly on the 50th anniversary of getting my private
> license. That went by the way side on the 24th. Oh well, all I can say is
> it
> was really windy that day, like it was gusting over 40mph.
> Thanks
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:12 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Jim-
>
> Don't give up. They are slow and not always smart- but I've seen many
> cases
> where persistence pays.
>
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:53 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Robert,
> I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
> November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they
> want.
> I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
> Randazzo
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> Jim-
>
> For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
>
> Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
>
> Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
> mind....
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
> N414C <- nosehweel in the front
> N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Addington
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
>
>
> That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly
> it
> from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would
> look
> when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
> fun though.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock
> Lorber
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List:
>
> Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
> superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
> Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
> To: Jim Addington
> Subject: Commander-List:
>
> I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
> Jim Addington
> N444BD
>
>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
> 9-1.html
>
>
iption,
www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"
target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Jim,
Are you a member of AOPA, they have developed some useful assistance avenues
for members with medical disallowance problems.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:53 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Robert,
I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they want.
I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim-
For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
mind....
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C <- nosehweel in the front
N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly it
from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would look
when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
fun though.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Bill,
Thanks they are on the list to call if EAA is not able to help.
How are things down under good I hope?
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim,
Are you a member of AOPA, they have developed some useful assistance avenues
for members with medical disallowance problems.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:53 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Robert,
I do too when I can but have been fighting with the FAA medical since
November and am waiting for them to send me what more information they want.
I have a Citabria as well as my Commander. They are both fun.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Jim-
For those of us who still fly'em- they still are fun!
Once I discovered tailwheel- there was no looking back.
Oh- there's a joke in there someplace... never looking back? Never
mind....
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C <- nosehweel in the front
N4RC <- nosewheel in the back
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
That was back when the nose wheel was back on the tail and you had to fly it
from the chocks and all the way back to the chocks. Those planes would look
when you looked and would sometimes look when you did not. They sure were
fun though.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 3:24 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List:
Understanding, courtesy, AND airplane knowledge? Sheesh! What kind of
superhuman beings taught aviation back then?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Jim Addington
Sent: Mon 4/27/2009 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List:
I think you all will enjoy this one especially you older pilots.
Jim Addington
N444BD
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/votw/VideoOfTheWeek_LearningToFly_1953_19960
9-1.html
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Scott,
The Factory paint names for your Commander were "Polar White & Baltic
Blue".
I cannot recall if the paint reference codes were ever shown in the
paperwork I've been able to trawl through, where they were the standard
Factory colours.
I do recall some non-standard colours where a reference was shown in
Factory records.
It might be worth trying Bill Duff at J W Duff Aircraft Co., in Denver,
Colorado.
It was he who restored the Commander that is now at the USAF museum at
Wright-Patterson.
I'm certain that he would have traced the exact colour match.
I remember him telling us at the Fly-In in July 1998, when the USAF
museum one was officially dedicated, that the Gold paint used for the
very thin stripes between the White & Blue cost $700 and they hardly
used any of it!
Now, I'm hoping you can help the accuracy of my database with regard to
the history of your 560A, s/n 247.
My understanding is that it was modified from a 560A to a 560A(HC),
whereby the original GO-480-D1A engines and HC-83X20-2C/8433 were
up-graded to a combination of GO-480-G1B6 with Hartzell HC-83X20-2 hubs.
Firstly, is there anything in the logs etc that you have to confirm this
and, if so, the date this was signed-off?
Secondly, if the change was made, what blades were on the HC-83X20-2
hubs?
I suspect they were 8833-2, but confirmation will be most welcome.
Lastly, do you have any paperwork for the time it was with the USAF and
the US Army?
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "scottmain" <scottmain2003(at)aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Commander-List: l-26 paint
|
| greeting everyone. I own one of the 560A birds used by the airforce in
1955 designated l-26. SN# 55-4647. I am planning a return to original
paint scheme and here is the request. I want to find the REAL paint code
for the Polar White and Cobalt Blue paint used on the original scheme. I
have spoken with the folks currently operating contemporary aircraft in
the USAF and I havn't been able to get an answer. I have read though the
Eisenhower library records and it appears the original 520 sent for
evaluation had the blue and white scheme. After deciding to purchase
them Eisenhower was asked how he wanted them painted. his reply was to
keep them as delivered. From this I deduce that the color and scheme was
a factory stock item in 1955. Does anyone out there have suggestions
where to look for this info? I have talked to the folks with the L-26 at
Dayton. I would like to get the real code from the original spec. There
must be a record out there somewhere with more than a generic!
| name for the colors. I think this will be the only original L-26
flying so I want to get it right and make all of us proud. Any help
appreciated.
| Thanks in advance
| scottmain2003(at)aol.com
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Wow, I guess us agnostics, atheists, Buddhist and absurdists are completely
doomed. 9,000,000 Muslims in America? That's 2.8%. Yeah...perhaps we should
restart the Crusades. After all, it did such wonderful things for all
parties the first time around. Plus, things are going great in Iraq &
Afghanistan. Why not expand? That's sarcasm, by the way.
The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the
original generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a
wonderful way of making all their children American. It becomes very very
hard to convince them that they're better off shrugging off western culture
& moving back to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids
would probably die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: It is time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
John,
There is a lot of truth in what you are saying. No one can deny that. But,
if the doctrine that made this country great, practiced by agnostics,
atheists, Buddhists, and all others who wanted to pursue the American dream,
is threatened by a theocratic model, all should be very worried. And that is
what this article was about. The Judeo/Christian economic model is the only
doctrine in the history of man that provides liberty and general wealth for
all who practice it. Never, ever has there been such a successful model.
Does that mean one has to be a Christian or a Jew to practice it? No,
emphatically, no. Demanding that one has to be a Christian or a Jew to be an
American is the injustice perpetrated against the people of this country,
and around the world, that would in the end cost us that liberty and general
wealth. Many of the founding fathers were luke-warm (if at all) Christians,
but they recognized the value of the Judeo/Christian doctrine. This
principle of doctrines is no different than the laws of the land, which is a
doctrine which has its believers and its practitioners-without-belief. The
law doesn't care whether one believes it or not, it will punish its
transgressors. Oppose that to the Judeo/Christian model who has threats and
rewards embedded in it, but the unbelievers do not believe in that model's
God anyway, so the threats are meaningless to them; but the material rewards
are real and measurable for those who practice it, contrary to Islam.
I, for one, practice the California Vehicle Code-doctrine, but I don't
believe that driving slower on the freeway is necessarily safer, so I don't
- in a manner that evades prosecution. If I said I believe it and drive the
way I do, I'll be rightly called a hypocrite. Practicing the Judeo/Christian
economic model is no different. You don't have to believe in it; all you
have to do is believe that it is what it says it is. Do the same with Islam,
believe what it says it is and it will scare you out of your wits.
Agnostics, atheists, and other non-Christians may practice the virtues of
the Judeo/Christian doctrine, but it is not required that they believe in
the law of Moses or that Jesus Christ is their personal savior to reap the
benefits inherent in its practice.
However, when a doctrine becomes as popular as Islam has, and that by
misleading prospects, and by the threat of violence or death upon
dissention, which is clearly pitted against the virtues of the
Judeo/Christian doctrine; and which has its roots in having their believers
living in nothing more than a sandbox by the grace of the clerics who reap
the rewards, then you and I have to be extremely concerned.
You mention the Crusades. You could also cite the Inquisition. To understand
what happened there, you have to look at the doctrine which those folks
followed. They were not adhering to the Judeo/Christian model. Similarly,
Roman Catholics have their own doctrines alongside the Bible, church
tradition and the Magisterium; not saying that believers in the RC doctrine
are not Christians. That means they found ways in which to exercise veto
power over the doctrine that is known as the Judeo/Christian economic model
and it's clear in their elitist hierarchy that the wealth is intended to be
removed from the 'layety' and passed on to the elitists, acting as pseudo
deities. The rights and property of the people are usurped for the
sustenance of the elitist class, which destroys liberty and general wealth.
That's not according to the Judeo/Christian doctrine which is found in the
Bible alone, without any qualifications or additions. Anyone, believer and
unbeliever in any doctrine, should be able to look at a doctrine and
distinguish between the believers and the practitioners. The practitioners
of Islam that have become westernized, are not real muslims. It is the
believers who will come and kill them for their dissent and it is this group
that is growing more rapidly than any other. It is all in the doctrine.
Just my take on it.
Thanks for indulging me.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: It is time...
Wow, I guess us agnostics, atheists, Buddhist and absurdists are completely
doomed. 9,000,000 Muslims in America? That's 2.8%. Yeah...perhaps we should
restart the Crusades. After all, it did such wonderful things for all
parties the first time around. Plus, things are going great in Iraq &
Afghanistan. Why not expand? That's sarcasm, by the way.
The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the
original generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a
wonderful way of making all their children American. It becomes very very
hard to convince them that they're better off shrugging off western culture
& moving back to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids
would probably die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: It is time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
| From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
perfect explanation.
bobf
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:01 AM, nico css wrote:
> John,
>
> There is a lot of truth in what you are saying. No one can deny that. But,
> if the doctrine that made this country great, practiced by agnostics,
> atheists, Buddhists, and all others who wanted to pursue the American dream,
> is threatened by a theocratic model, all should be very worried. And that is
> what this article was about. The Judeo/Christian economic model is the only
> doctrine in the history of man that provides liberty and general wealth for
> all who practice it. Never, ever has there been such a successful model.
> Does that mean one has to be a Christian or a Jew to practice it? No,
> emphatically, no. Demanding that one has to be a Christian or a Jew to be an
> American is the injustice perpetrated against the people of this country,
> and around the world, that would in the end cost us that liberty and general
> wealth. Many of the founding fathers were luke-warm (if at all) Christians,
> but they recognized the value of the Judeo/Christian doctrine. This
> principle of doctrines is no different than the laws of the land, which is a
> doctrine which has its believers and its practitioners-without-belief. The
> law doesn't care whether one believes it or not, it will punish its
> transgressors. Oppose that to the Judeo/Christian model who has threats and
> rewards embedded in it, but the unbelievers do not believe in that model's
> God anyway, so the threats are meaningless to them; but the material rewards
> are real and measurable for those who practice it, contrary to Islam.
>
> I, for one, practice the California Vehicle Code-doctrine, but I don't
> believe that driving slower on the freeway is necessarily safer, so I don't
> - in a manner that evades prosecution. If I said I believe it and drive the
> way I do, I'll be rightly called a hypocrite. Practicing the Judeo/Christian
> economic model is no different. You don't have to believe in it; all you
> have to do is believe that it is what it says it is. Do the same with Islam,
> believe what it says it is and it will scare you out of your wits. Agnostics,
> atheists, and other non-Christians may practice the virtues of
> the Judeo/Christian doctrine, but it is not required that they believe in
> the law of Moses or that Jesus Christ is their personal savior to reap the
> benefits inherent in its practice.
>
> However, when a doctrine becomes as popular as Islam has, and that by
> misleading prospects, and by the threat of violence or death upon
> dissention, which is clearly pitted against the virtues of the
> Judeo/Christian doctrine; and which has its roots in having their believers
> living in nothing more than a sandbox by the grace of the clerics who reap
> the rewards, then you and I have to be extremely concerned.
>
> You mention the Crusades. You could also cite the Inquisition. To
> understand what happened there, you have to look at the doctrine which those
> folks followed. They were not adhering to the Judeo/Christian model.
> Similarly, Roman Catholics have their own doctrines alongside the Bible,
> church tradition and the Magisterium; not saying that believers in the RC
> doctrine are not Christians. That means they found ways in which to exercise
> veto power over the doctrine that is known as the Judeo/Christian economic
> model and it's clear in their elitist hierarchy that the wealth is intended
> to be removed from the 'layety' and passed on to the elitists, acting as
> pseudo deities. The rights and property of the people are usurped for the
> sustenance of the elitist class, which destroys liberty and general wealth.
> That's not according to the Judeo/Christian doctrine which is found in the
> Bible alone, without any qualifications or additions. Anyone, believer and
> unbeliever in any doctrine, should be able to look at a doctrine and
> distinguish between the believers and the practitioners. The practitioners
> of Islam that have become westernized, are not real muslims. It is the
> believers who will come and kill them for their dissent and it is this group
> that is growing more rapidly than any other. It is all in the doctrine.
>
> Just my take on it.
>
> Thanks for indulging me.
>
> Nico
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *John Vormbaum
> *Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2009 5:00 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: It is time...
>
> Wow, I guess us agnostics, atheists, Buddhist and absurdists are
> completely doomed. 9,000,000 Muslims in America? That's 2.8%.
> Yeah...perhaps we should restart the Crusades. After all, it did such
> wonderful things for all parties the first time around. Plus, things are
> going great in Iraq & Afghanistan. Why not expand? That's sarcasm, by the
> way.
>
> The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the
> original generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a
> wonderful way of making all their children American. It becomes very very
> hard to convince them that they're better off shrugging off western culture
> & moving back to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids
> would probably die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
>
> ------------------------------
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> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *nico css
> *Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2009 4:47 PM
> *To:* 'art la combe'
> *Subject:* Commander-List: It is time...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
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| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the original
generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a wonderful way
of making all their children American. It becomes very very hard to convince them
that they're better off shrugging off western culture & moving back to the
sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids would probably die if
they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
That has historically been true. The experience in several Europeon countries,
however, has been the oppositte.
The Muslim enclaves have grown and remained separate for several generations to
the opoint where governments are promulgatin laws to accommodate strictly Muslim
needs and wants into their society.
The American Muslim population is not, however, the greatest and most imminent
threat to the United States.
The most imminent threat to our way of life is the United States Government itself,
the elected officials, the lifetime civil servants etc.
I am not talking Repub vs Democrat here. For much of our history the 2 party system
has worked well with most citizens and elected officials being slightly left
or right of center.
Today we find both parties controlled by the extreme left or extreme right.
The current dem government if left unchecked will turn the US into a socialist
state by the end of obamas second term.
The GOP is paralyzed by the agenda of its far right wing nut jobs. Given the current
attitudes in the GOP it is unlikely they will be able to gain enough power
to stop the current government. Iam not so sure life under them would be any
better. Socialism is probably preferable to an intolerant tyranny.
We need a Crusade all right but it needs to be a Crusade against our elected officials
fo9r they are the true enemy of our way of life.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
amen. gmc
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
> From: Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com
> Date: Tue=2C 5 May 2009 06:11:49 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
m>
>
> The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the o
riginal generation. Fashion clothing=2C the Mall=2C and capitalism have a w
onderful way of making all their children American. It becomes very very ha
rd to convince them that they're better off shrugging off western culture &
moving back to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids
would probably die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
>
>
>
> That has historically been true. The experience in several Europeon count
ries=2C however=2C has been the oppositte.
>
> The Muslim enclaves have grown and remained separate for several generati
ons to the opoint where governments are promulgatin laws to accommodate str
ictly Muslim needs and wants into their society.
>
> The American Muslim population is not=2C however=2C the greatest and most
imminent threat to the United States.
>
> The most imminent threat to our way of life is the United States Governme
nt itself=2C the elected officials=2C the lifetime civil servants etc.
>
> I am not talking Repub vs Democrat here. For much of our history the 2 pa
rty system has worked well with most citizens and elected officials being s
lightly left or right of center.
>
> Today we find both parties controlled by the extreme left or extreme righ
t.
>
> The current dem government if left unchecked will turn the US into a soci
alist state by the end of obamas second term.
>
> The GOP is paralyzed by the agenda of its far right wing nut jobs. Given
the current attitudes in the GOP it is unlikely they will be able to gain e
nough power to stop the current government. Iam not so sure life under them
would be any better. Socialism is probably preferable to an intolerant tyr
anny.
>
> We need a Crusade all right but it needs to be a Crusade against our elec
ted officials fo9r they are the true enemy of our way of life.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242774#242774
>
>
>
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| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Milt , You are right about the biggest threat being our government! We need
to vote ALL of them out and start over. If they have been in congress more
than eight years,vote them out. My biggest concern, is that our population
of those that want entitlements, has exceeded we that want "Common Sense"
government. Even if we vote them out, that population now out number us. WE
have become the MINORITY and will NOT be able to vote them out. So , what
is the solution to save this country short of a revelotion? If the current
Administration has their way , they will try to get our guns and control
all of the financial institutions as well.I have always been optomistic but I
don`t feel that way anymore.What the government has done to this country ,
is CRIMINAL! Gil
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| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I think you have to make a distinction between Islam the religion and Islam
the political movement, or Islamism. Remember the most people killed so f
ar by the Islamists have been other Muslims. The thing that makes a large
Muslim population frightening is that so far, for a variety of reasons, "m
oderate muslims" have chosen (for their own safety) not to publicly do bat
tle with the Islamists.
The probable solution is to encourage the mainstreaming of muslims in our
society in the same way that jews (or mormons for that matter) are welcomed
, by and large. The US and western society in general, isn't about a nati
onal or religious identify, so much as a set of principles that we all adhe
re to (play fair, respect the other kids property, no hitting, do unto othe
rs, etc). But in order to do so we need confidently offer our own vision.
The problem *does* come from within, but the Obamunistas are just a side ef
fect. I don't think it is the government per se, so much as the "culture".
We have, as a society allowed ourselves to be propagandized into abandon
ing the idea that we are the Good Guys. Its an irony that while the people
of Iraq and Afghanistan are singing our praises as liberators, even though
they were suspicious of our motives, (they could imagine why we were doing
what we were doing, and couldn't believe we were fighting for right and l
iberty until later they realized we were serious.) that this society movie
s and TV live on a nonstop diet of "evil CIA men", "insane, sadistic, soldi
ers", "psychopathic abusive fathers", etc. that in no way represent even u
nusual examples of our society, confronting pure noble terrorist who just w
ant Goodness to win (Goodness isn't, us, BTW).
Our schools teach a curriculum that could be described as "America: Bad Ide
a, or Horrible Mistake". Apparently as soon as we got independent, we del
iberately gave the Indians blankets infected with smallpox to kill them. Ev
en though we didn't know about what caused smallpox until the 1860's. The
n industrialization caused America to enslave all the workers who labored w
ith their children without pay in coal mines while starving. This continu
ed until we started all of the wars, and then there was a beautiful growth
of socialism ("caring") that started when Franklin Rooseveldt freed the sla
ves, and continued until Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan and George Bush st
arted all the wars again (they were Republicans, and you know they love to
do that). Of course, they were opposed by peace-loving people everywhere i
Insert picture of Jane Fonda with Ho Chi Minh).
In these books, we only hear a little bit about what America stands for, an
d usually in a very distorted way. For example "All men are created Equal"
is usually described as saying "it isn't right that some people get more t
han others", and the Constitution is only referenced as a source of "rights
" that it guarantees for example, the right to free TV and free health care
. Free speech means pornography is protected, but not that you can say any
thing "mean" about people in office, that just wouldn't be right unless the
y are "evil war mongers" , ie Republicans.
When we can get things like that under control, it will be relatively stra
ightforward to fix the government and live in harmony with whatever religio
us minority.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Milt , You are right about the biggest threat being our government! We need
to vote ALL of them out and start over. If they have been in congress more
than eight years,vote them out. My biggest concern, is that our population
of those that want entitlements, has exceeded we that want "Common Sense"
government. Even if we vote them out, that population now out number us. WE
have become the MINORITY and will NOT be able to vote them out. So , what
is the solution to save this country short of a revelotion? If the current
Administration has their way , they will try to get our guns and control al
l of the financial institutions as well.I have always been optomistic but I
don`t feel that way anymore.What the government has done to this country ,
is CRIMINAL! Gil
________________________________
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hi Nico,
That's a compelling take on things. You are far more versed in the various
religions than I am. Raised in an agnostic household (but baptized
Presbyterian and growing up under the basic Judeo/Christian tenets that you
mention) I had very little focused exposure to religious studies. My post
was essentially a knee-jerk reaction to more propaganda. I'm pro-2nd
Amendment in a big way; I could probably be labeled a lightweight
paranoid...but I don't advocate war or genocide. The next few years are
going to be very interesting, I think (isn't that a Buddhist curse, may you
live in interesting times?). I find myself unable to predict a resolution.
Thanks for clarifying your point of view. As much as this is a forum for
Commanders, I continually find myself exposed to other very interesting
material
Cheers,
/John
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:01 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: It is time...
John,
There is a lot of truth in what you are saying. No one can deny that. But,
if the doctrine that made this country great, practiced by agnostics,
atheists, Buddhists, and all others who wanted to pursue the American dream,
is threatened by a theocratic model, all should be very worried. And that is
what this article was about. The Judeo/Christian economic model is the only
doctrine in the history of man that provides liberty and general wealth for
all who practice it. Never, ever has there been such a successful model.
Does that mean one has to be a Christian or a Jew to practice it? No,
emphatically, no. Demanding that one has to be a Christian or a Jew to be an
American is the injustice perpetrated against the people of this country,
and around the world, that would in the end cost us that liberty and general
wealth. Many of the founding fathers were luke-warm (if at all) Christians,
but they recognized the value of the Judeo/Christian doctrine. This
principle of doctrines is no different than the laws of the land, which is a
doctrine which has its believers and its practitioners-without-belief. The
law doesn't care whether one believes it or not, it will punish its
transgressors. Oppose that to the Judeo/Christian model who has threats and
rewards embedded in it, but the unbelievers do not believe in that model's
God anyway, so the threats are meaningless to them; but the material rewards
are real and measurable for those who practice it, contrary to Islam.
I, for one, practice the California Vehicle Code-doctrine, but I don't
believe that driving slower on the freeway is necessarily safer, so I don't
- in a manner that evades prosecution. If I said I believe it and drive the
way I do, I'll be rightly called a hypocrite. Practicing the Judeo/Christian
economic model is no different. You don't have to believe in it; all you
have to do is believe that it is what it says it is. Do the same with Islam,
believe what it says it is and it will scare you out of your wits.
Agnostics, atheists, and other non-Christians may practice the virtues of
the Judeo/Christian doctrine, but it is not required that they believe in
the law of Moses or that Jesus Christ is their personal savior to reap the
benefits inherent in its practice.
However, when a doctrine becomes as popular as Islam has, and that by
misleading prospects, and by the threat of violence or death upon
dissention, which is clearly pitted against the virtues of the
Judeo/Christian doctrine; and which has its roots in having their believers
living in nothing more than a sandbox by the grace of the clerics who reap
the rewards, then you and I have to be extremely concerned.
You mention the Crusades. You could also cite the Inquisition. To understand
what happened there, you have to look at the doctrine which those folks
followed. They were not adhering to the Judeo/Christian model. Similarly,
Roman Catholics have their own doctrines alongside the Bible, church
tradition and the Magisterium; not saying that believers in the RC doctrine
are not Christians. That means they found ways in which to exercise veto
power over the doctrine that is known as the Judeo/Christian economic model
and it's clear in their elitist hierarchy that the wealth is intended to be
removed from the 'layety' and passed on to the elitists, acting as pseudo
deities. The rights and property of the people are usurped for the
sustenance of the elitist class, which destroys liberty and general wealth.
That's not according to the Judeo/Christian doctrine which is found in the
Bible alone, without any qualifications or additions. Anyone, believer and
unbeliever in any doctrine, should be able to look at a doctrine and
distinguish between the believers and the practitioners. The practitioners
of Islam that have become westernized, are not real muslims. It is the
believers who will come and kill them for their dissent and it is this group
that is growing more rapidly than any other. It is all in the doctrine.
Just my take on it.
Thanks for indulging me.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: It is time...
Wow, I guess us agnostics, atheists, Buddhist and absurdists are completely
doomed. 9,000,000 Muslims in America? That's 2.8%. Yeah...perhaps we should
restart the Crusades. After all, it did such wonderful things for all
parties the first time around. Plus, things are going great in Iraq &
Afghanistan. Why not expand? That's sarcasm, by the way.
The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the
original generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a
wonderful way of making all their children American. It becomes very very
hard to convince them that they're better off shrugging off western culture
& moving back to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids
would probably die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: It is time...
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| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
> what is the solution to save this country short of a revolotion?
I used to think the Northwest militia movement were nutjobs but now I understand
where they are coming from. I think you are correct in that the entitled outnumber
the workers and innovators.
I think if Texas ever really secedes from the union I will move there.
I vision one day the US consisting of New England and California while the remaining
states become the new Confederacy.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Milt,
I agree completely. The last 16 years have seen unprecedented growth in
government, which is surprising given that there have been both rep & dem
administrations. I am a true Federalist; I think gov't. should be kept as
small as possible. We are indeed outnumbered by those feeling entitled.
I notice the common thread in my posts is that I am unable to offer
solutions. I don't know that both parties moving more to the center will
solve it. I know for sure that staying to the far right or left won't. I
have to assume that public opinion is like a pendulum, swinging with
regularity between poles. WWI, Roaring 20's, FDR, WWII, McCarthyism, Free
Love, etc. etc. I guess we're in a far left phase now, although there are
some peculiarities (like how gun control has become a no-start for the
dems). I imagine that pendulum will stay to the left for at least another 3
years.
/J
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:12 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
The beauty of America is that immigrants are only what they are for the
original generation. Fashion clothing, the Mall, and capitalism have a
wonderful way of making all their children American. It becomes very very
hard to convince them that they're better off shrugging off western culture
& moving back to the sandbox and living in stone-age conditions. Those kids
would probably die if they weren't within walking distance of a Starbucks.
That has historically been true. The experience in several Europeon
countries, however, has been the oppositte.
The Muslim enclaves have grown and remained separate for several generations
to the opoint where governments are promulgatin laws to accommodate strictly
Muslim needs and wants into their society.
The American Muslim population is not, however, the greatest and most
imminent threat to the United States.
The most imminent threat to our way of life is the United States Government
itself, the elected officials, the lifetime civil servants etc.
I am not talking Repub vs Democrat here. For much of our history the 2 party
system has worked well with most citizens and elected officials being
slightly left or right of center.
Today we find both parties controlled by the extreme left or extreme right.
The current dem government if left unchecked will turn the US into a
socialist state by the end of obamas second term.
The GOP is paralyzed by the agenda of its far right wing nut jobs. Given the
current attitudes in the GOP it is unlikely they will be able to gain enough
power to stop the current government. Iam not so sure life under them would
be any better. Socialism is probably preferable to an intolerant tyranny.
We need a Crusade all right but it needs to be a Crusade against our elected
officials fo9r they are the true enemy of our way of life.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242774#242774
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Wow, great posts this morning. I've never seen this much typing out of the
Commander-list membership ever!
usually in a very distorted way. For example "All men are created Equal" is
usually described as saying "it isn't right that some people get more than
others"
Bruce, your above quote absolutely nails the current problem with the views
of the American public at present. It appears to me that many think there is
actually an amendment guaranteeing the right to a large flatscreen TV.
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I think you have to make a distinction between Islam the religion and Islam
the political movement, or Islamism. Remember the most people killed so far
by the Islamists have been other Muslims. The thing that makes a large
Muslim population frightening is that so far, for a variety of reasons,
"moderate muslims" have chosen (for their own safety) not to publicly do
battle with the Islamists.
The probable solution is to encourage the mainstreaming of muslims in our
society in the same way that jews (or mormons for that matter) are welcomed,
by and large. The US and western society in general, isn't about a
national or religious identify, so much as a set of principles that we all
adhere to (play fair, respect the other kids property, no hitting, do unto
others, etc). But in order to do so we need confidently offer our own
vision.
The problem *does* come from within, but the Obamunistas are just a side
effect. I don't think it is the government per se, so much as the
"culture". We have, as a society allowed ourselves to be propagandized
into abandoning the idea that we are the Good Guys. Its an irony that while
the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are singing our praises as liberators,
even though they were suspicious of our motives, (they could imagine why we
were doing what we were doing, and couldn't believe we were fighting for
right and liberty until later they realized we were serious.) that this
society movies and TV live on a nonstop diet of "evil CIA men", "insane,
sadistic, soldiers", "psychopathic abusive fathers", etc. that in no way
represent even unusual examples of our society, confronting pure noble
terrorist who just want Goodness to win (Goodness isn't, us, BTW).
Our schools teach a curriculum that could be described as "America: Bad
Idea, or Horrible Mistake". Apparently as soon as we got independent, we
deliberately gave the Indians blankets infected with smallpox to kill them.
Even though we didn't know about what caused smallpox until the 1860's.
Then industrialization caused America to enslave all the workers who labored
with their children without pay in coal mines while starving. This
continued until we started all of the wars, and then there was a beautiful
growth of socialism ("caring") that started when Franklin Rooseveldt freed
the slaves, and continued until Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan and George
Bush started all the wars again (they were Republicans, and you know they
love to do that). Of course, they were opposed by peace-loving people
everywhere iInsert picture of Jane Fonda with Ho Chi Minh).
In these books, we only hear a little bit about what America stands for, and
usually in a very distorted way. For example "All men are created Equal" is
usually described as saying "it isn't right that some people get more than
others", and the Constitution is only referenced as a source of "rights"
that it guarantees for example, the right to free TV and free health care.
Free speech means pornography is protected, but not that you can say
anything "mean" about people in office, that just wouldn't be right unless
they are "evil war mongers" , ie Republicans.
When we can get things like that under control, it will be relatively
straightforward to fix the government and live in harmony with whatever
religious minority.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Milt , You are right about the biggest threat being our government! We need
to vote ALL of them out and start over. If they have been in congress more
than eight years,vote them out. My biggest concern, is that our population
of those that want entitlements, has exceeded we that want "Common Sense"
government. Even if we vote them out, that population now out number us. WE
have become the MINORITY and will NOT be able to vote them out. So , what is
the solution to save this country short of a revelotion? If the current
Administration has their way , they will try to get our guns and control all
of the financial institutions as well.I have always been optomistic but I
don`t feel that way anymore.What the government has done to this country ,
is CRIMINAL! Gil
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| From: | "Calvin D. Alston" <alsmgt(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi Guys;
I am new to the list. I am the owner of two commander 500a's N-152K and
N-1260B. I'm glad Al Hoffman showed me where to find all the commander
aficionados. I have heard that Sir Barry is the history guy and was
wondering if he knows anything about my birds. If any of you guys have any
questions about me or the planes please feel free to let me know and I'll do
my best.
Look forward to some feedback.
Dale Alston
Whitehouse Aviation Inc.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Hi Dale, welcome to the board! TWO Commanders, wow, you must be truly
mentally unbalanced :-). Hope to see you at our yearly fly-in in Sept.
Standby and I'm sure you'll get an interesting email from Sir Barry!
Cheers,
/John
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Calvin D.
Alston
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Commander-List: N-152K
Hi Guys;
I am new to the list. I am the owner of two commander 500a's N-152K and
N-1260B. I'm glad Al Hoffman showed me where to find all the commander
aficionados. I have heard that Sir Barry is the history guy and was
wondering if he knows anything about my birds. If any of you guys have any
questions about me or the planes please feel free to let me know and I'll do
my best.
Look forward to some feedback.
Dale Alston
Whitehouse Aviation Inc.
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| From: | "Calvin D. Alston" <alsmgt(at)bellsouth.net> |
Hi John,
Mentally unbalanced is an understatement. What happened is the commander I
wanted was out of my reach, or overpriced depending on whether you're the
seller or buyer. Anyway I bought a lesser quality airplane and 6 months
later the one I REALLY wanted came back on the market at 40K less than my
last offer so I jumped and ended up with two. My wife agrees with you about
the unbalanced state of my mind. But I tell her if one is good two has to be
better, right?
Dale
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: N-152K
Hi Dale, welcome to the board! TWO Commanders, wow, you must be truly
mentally unbalanced :-). Hope to see you at our yearly fly-in in Sept.
Standby and I'm sure you'll get an interesting email from Sir Barry!
Cheers,
/John
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Calvin D.
Alston
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:54 PM
Subject: Commander-List: N-152K
Hi Guys;
I am new to the list. I am the owner of two commander 500a's N-152K and
N-1260B. I'm glad Al Hoffman showed me where to find all the commander
aficionados. I have heard that Sir Barry is the history guy and was
wondering if he knows anything about my birds. If any of you guys have any
questions about me or the planes please feel free to let me know and I'll do
my best.
Look forward to some feedback.
Dale Alston
Whitehouse Aviation Inc.
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Milt,
Go to this site, you may want to move here any way.
Jim A
> A friend, look at this, has sent you an e-mail link to a story on the
> Tyler Paper's Web site.
>
> Your friend says,
>
> http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20090428/NEWS01/904280322
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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:52 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
> what is the solution to save this country short of a revolotion?
I used to think the Northwest militia movement were nutjobs but now I
understand where they are coming from. I think you are correct in that the
entitled outnumber the workers and innovators.
I think if Texas ever really secedes from the union I will move there.
I vision one day the US consisting of New England and California while the
remaining states become the new Confederacy.
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I always heard that God created man and Smith & Wesson made them equal.
Pardon my insert.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Wow, great posts this morning. I've never seen this much typing out of the
Commander-list membership ever!
usually in a very distorted way. For example "All men are created Equal" is
usually described as saying "it isn't right that some people get more than
others"
Bruce, your above quote absolutely nails the current problem with the views
of the American public at present. It appears to me that many think there is
actually an amendment guaranteeing the right to a large flatscreen TV.
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I think you have to make a distinction between Islam the religion and Islam
the political movement, or Islamism. Remember the most people killed so far
by the Islamists have been other Muslims. The thing that makes a large
Muslim population frightening is that so far, for a variety of reasons,
"moderate muslims" have chosen (for their own safety) not to publicly do
battle with the Islamists.
The probable solution is to encourage the mainstreaming of muslims in our
society in the same way that jews (or mormons for that matter) are welcomed,
by and large. The US and western society in general, isn't about a
national or religious identify, so much as a set of principles that we all
adhere to (play fair, respect the other kids property, no hitting, do unto
others, etc). But in order to do so we need confidently offer our own
vision.
The problem *does* come from within, but the Obamunistas are just a side
effect. I don't think it is the government per se, so much as the
"culture". We have, as a society allowed ourselves to be propagandized
into abandoning the idea that we are the Good Guys. Its an irony that while
the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are singing our praises as liberators,
even though they were suspicious of our motives, (they could imagine why we
were doing what we were doing, and couldn't believe we were fighting for
right and liberty until later they realized we were serious.) that this
society movies and TV live on a nonstop diet of "evil CIA men", "insane,
sadistic, soldiers", "psychopathic abusive fathers", etc. that in no way
represent even unusual examples of our society, confronting pure noble
terrorist who just want Goodness to win (Goodness isn't, us, BTW).
Our schools teach a curriculum that could be described as "America: Bad
Idea, or Horrible Mistake". Apparently as soon as we got independent, we
deliberately gave the Indians blankets infected with smallpox to kill them.
Even though we didn't know about what caused smallpox until the 1860's.
Then industrialization caused America to enslave all the workers who labored
with their children without pay in coal mines while starving. This
continued until we started all of the wars, and then there was a beautiful
growth of socialism ("caring") that started when Franklin Rooseveldt freed
the slaves, and continued until Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan and George
Bush started all the wars again (they were Republicans, and you know they
love to do that). Of course, they were opposed by peace-loving people
everywhere iInsert picture of Jane Fonda with Ho Chi Minh).
In these books, we only hear a little bit about what America stands for, and
usually in a very distorted way. For example "All men are created Equal" is
usually described as saying "it isn't right that some people get more than
others", and the Constitution is only referenced as a source of "rights"
that it guarantees for example, the right to free TV and free health care.
Free speech means pornography is protected, but not that you can say
anything "mean" about people in office, that just wouldn't be right unless
they are "evil war mongers" , ie Republicans.
When we can get things like that under control, it will be relatively
straightforward to fix the government and live in harmony with whatever
religious minority.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Milt , You are right about the biggest threat being our government! We need
to vote ALL of them out and start over. If they have been in congress more
than eight years,vote them out. My biggest concern, is that our population
of those that want entitlements, has exceeded we that want "Common Sense"
government. Even if we vote them out, that population now out number us. WE
have become the MINORITY and will NOT be able to vote them out. So , what is
the solution to save this country short of a revelotion? If the current
Administration has their way , they will try to get our guns and control all
of the financial institutions as well.I have always been optomistic but I
don`t feel that way anymore.What the government has done to this country ,
is CRIMINAL! Gil
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| From: | "Neal George" <n8zg(at)mchsi.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Close, Jim -
God created all men; Sam Colt made them equal.
Neal
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I always heard that God created man and Smith & Wesson made them equal.
Pardon my insert.
Jim A
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I knew it was one of those guys but a good Smith & Wesson will sure help.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Close, Jim -
God created all men; Sam Colt made them equal.
Neal
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I always heard that God created man and Smith & Wesson made them equal.
Pardon my insert.
Jim A
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
"My airplane is protected by Smith and Wesson"
Bumper sticker
Tylor Hall
On May 5, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Jim Addington wrote:
> I knew it was one of those guys but a good Smith & Wesson will sure
> help.
> Jim
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ]On Behalf Of Neal George
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:58 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Close, Jim '
>
> God created all men; Sam Colt made them equal.
>
> Neal
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> ]On Behalf Of Jim Addington
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:19 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> I always heard that God created man and Smith & Wesson made them
> equal.
> Pardon my insert.
> Jim A
>
>
> - The Commander-List Email Forum -
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> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
> - List Contribution Web Site -
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>
>
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| From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I have always heard that Mr. Colt made all men equal, BUT, that my
insurances agents are Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I knew it was one of those guys but a good Smith & Wesson will sure
help.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal
George
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:58 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Close, Jim -
God created all men; Sam Colt made them equal.
Neal
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:19 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I always heard that God created man and Smith & Wesson made them
equal.
Pardon my insert.
Jim A
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
John V.
I have been told that just because you are paranoid does not mean that some
one is not out to get you.- And whacumean abouts no rights to a flat scre
en.- Hell I think we need two more amendments.- #28 Every citizen shall
be entitled to one Aero Commander. #29. Every Aero Commander owner is enti
tled to gas and parts at guvment expense.- Then may I could fly mine more
:-))))
dan f
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Dale,
Welcome to the gaggle.- Please keep both commanders.- The rest of us ar
e always looking for spare parts.
dan f
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| From: | "Don Barry" <don.barry(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | aerocommander.com has been hacked |
All,
I was surfing the aerocommander.com site for updates and noticed that the
site's been hacked. You can see this at the Media Gallery page.
I'm in I.T. professionally and would be happy to help clean up the website.
Regards,
Don Barry
Houston TX
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
Hi JimBob!
Quite a while since I sent one of these updates, but nothing much has been
happening!
Here's few new Owners & Addresses:
520-93, N4186B
Bruce Campbell has changed address to 804 216th PL (Place?) NE., Sammamish,
Washington, 98074-6809
His 520 was hit by a fuel truck at Seattle-Boeing Field on 15Mar07 and I
thought it had been declared a write-off?
680E-777-49, N8445C
Now with Jody S Maddox, PO Box 246, Paterson, Washington, 99345-0246
HIs 'phone number is possibly 206 887 4829
There's some kind of problem with the FAA paperwok though - they list it as
"Registration Pending".
He also has had 680E-380 (a converted 680) N6863S since March 1993, but this
one is still listed by the FAA as domiciled at Ridgefield WA as they need a
physical address rather than the PO Box number he quoted on his Application
for Registration.
At one time, he also owned 680FLP-1483-8, N136HL, from February 1993 to
October 1994.
680E-802-57, N8468C
Now with Barron Thomas Southwest Inc., with a convenience address at 3511
Silverside Road, Suite 102, Wilmington, Delaware
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
I have always heard that "a paranoid is simply someone in possession of all
the facts." I agree with you about Amendments 28 & 29. Now is the time, too.
I'm guessing Obama will interpret the Constitution as a "living document" so
he can mess with it. Might as well get some Commander stuff on there.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: dissent
John V.
I have been told that just because you are paranoid does not mean that
someone is not out to get you. And whacumean abouts no rights to a flat
screen. Hell I think we need two more amendments. #28 Every citizen shall
be entitled to one Aero Commander. #29. Every Aero Commander owner is
entitled to gas and parts at guvment expense. Then may I could fly mine
more:-))))
dan f
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| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | Bruce Campbell <brcamp(at)windows.microsoft.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Considering Mr Obama's $600 million in untraceable fraudulent campaign contributions,
from "somewhere", the fact that a similar sum was detected showing up in
the Argentine presidential elections tracable to Hugo Chavez, and the warm embrace
and general yucking-it-up Mr Obama did with Mr Chavez at the OAS conference
week before last, I suspect you may have a good point. But not Hitlerian
some much as "Bolivarian".
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
David please cll me
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
> - Barack Obama
>
> History Unfolding
>
> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
> sharper focus.
>
> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to
> it..
> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
> within
> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The
> pace
> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>
> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>
>
> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>
>
> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
> is
> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was
> a
> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
> leaders.
> Apparently not.
>
> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
> economy. Why?
>
>
> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we
> are
> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
> picketing,
> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>
> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
> it
> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
> write
> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
> republic. To what purpose?
>
> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
> entire
> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and
> I
> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are
> at
> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>
> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
> about,
> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
> about
> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
> Oh,
> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
> are more important.)
>
> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>
> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
> now.
>
> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
> pieces
> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And
> when
> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>
> And that is only the beginning..
>
> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
> experience
> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his
> way
> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
> it right now.
>
> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
> lot.
> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department
> by
> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
> were
> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
> of
> course,
>
>
> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
> re-instill
> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
> they voted for.
>
> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
> books.
>
> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
> into
> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>
> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured
> country
> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
> and
> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
> just
> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>
> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I
> have
> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
> me
> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
> transpiring around me..
>
> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
> perhaps
> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>
> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
> in
> the next elections.
>
> David Kaiser
>
> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>
> United States
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
WHAT ONLY ONE COMMANDER!!! What about the Turbo Commander we all want
with the free gas and part?
Must be a Socialist plot!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Farmer
To: commander-list-digest(at)matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Commander-List: dissent
John V.
I have been told that just because you are paranoid does not
mean that someone is not out to get you. And whacumean abouts no rights
to a flat screen. Hell I think we need two more amendments. #28 Every
citizen shall be entitled to one Aero Commander. #29. Every Aero
Commander owner is entitled to gas and parts at guvment expense. Then
may I could fly mine more:-))))
dan f
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
| From: | "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
A recent poll taken in Canada (see attached)
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242957#242957
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/canada_poll_187.jpg
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | aerocommander.com has been hacked |
Thanks for letting us know, Don.
I am the webmaster and will have it fixed. Thanks for your offer; I'll
holler if I need help. Good to know there are skills out there.
Thanks again.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Barry
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: aerocommander.com has been hacked
All,
I was surfing the aerocommander.com site for updates and noticed that the
site's been hacked. You can see this at the Media Gallery page.
I'm in I.T. professionally and would be happy to help clean up the website.
Regards,
Don Barry
Houston TX
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Commander-List: New Owners
Hi JimBob!
Quite a while since I sent one of these updates, but nothing much has been
happening!
Here's few new Owners & Addresses:
520-93, N4186B
Bruce Campbell has changed address to 804 216th PL (Place?) NE., Sammamish,
Washington, 98074-6809
His 520 was hit by a fuel truck at Seattle-Boeing Field on 15Mar07 and I
thought it had been declared a write-off?
680E-777-49, N8445C
Now with Jody S Maddox, PO Box 246, Paterson, Washington, 99345-0246
HIs 'phone number is possibly 206 887 4829
There's some kind of problem with the FAA paperwok though - they list it as
"Registration Pending".
He also has had 680E-380 (a converted 680) N6863S since March 1993, but this
one is still listed by the FAA as domiciled at Ridgefield WA as they need a
physical address rather than the PO Box number he quoted on his Application
for Registration.
At one time, he also owned 680FLP-1483-8, N136HL, from February 1993 to
October 1994.
680E-802-57, N8468C
Now with Barron Thomas Southwest Inc., with a convenience address at 3511
Silverside Road, Suite 102, Wilmington, Delaware
Very Best Regards,
Barry
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA.- I am flyin
g for an operation for a couple of months this summer.- It is just for th
e summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of ap
artments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room.- He called me
and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport rec
eived federal funds that no one could sleep there.- This flies in the fac
e of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life.- I think the man
is blowing smoke out his ---.- Has anyone ever encountered such a thing?
- If so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
dan
=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hi Dan,
I have designed and constructed numerous hangars & projects at airports that
receive federal funds. We have always been able to provide "crew quarters"
for pilots to live and sleep while working. This situation has always been
under the jurisdiction of the local authority (County, or City and Airport
Manager), not the FSDO.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F/N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help
I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am flying
for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just for the
summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of
apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called me
and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport
received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the
face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man
is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If
so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
dan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> |
Dan
We have been given this same feedback at our airport.
Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email.
Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask
him for the background details?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer wrote:
> I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am
> flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is
> just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he
> had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get
> a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO
> said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could
> sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the
> last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his
> ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If so please email
> me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
>
> dan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
We had a local political situation regarding the drain commisioner allowing
an engineer working on the project to stay in a house that was on some
property that was part of the drain improvement. The issue was providing
something of value (free lodging) on property that was purchased with
government money. The local county wanted property taxes for the house as
it was being used as "rental" property.
I can understand that if you are given free lodging instead of paying to
stay in a motel, it could be a sticky issue if in fact the premises were
procured with government money. If you can stay there for free so should
anyone else.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:12 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help
Dan
We have been given this same feedback at our airport.
Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email.
Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask him
for the background details?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer wrote:
I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I
am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just
for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple
of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called
me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport
received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the
face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man
is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If
so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
dan
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
bution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
Four issues:
A) the airport has taken AIP funds and has contractual obligations a la
the FAA - absolutely immaterial
B) the airport has an access agreement with the land and hangar owner -
either it contains habitation restrictions or not
C) the airport has a ground lease agreement with the hangar owner -
either it contains habitation restrictions or not
D) the land and/or hangar owner does not want you to habitate on their
property - absolutely material
The local bureaucrat at the FSDO has no bearing on the situation unless
he/she is a signatory to a contract regarding the property.
Now, your permission to operate may be contingent on satisfying the
whims of the bureaucrat. It's not my money to say, but if it were I
wouldn't invest time or money in any scheme that involved government,
let alone one that involved bureaucrat whimsy.
Of course, regime uncertainty pretty much precludes any appeal to
contract these days.
(don't bother, I've been singing this song long before 20 Jan 2009)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net
Sent: Wed 5/6/2009 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help
We had a local political situation regarding the drain commisioner
allowing
an engineer working on the project to stay in a house that was on some
property that was part of the drain improvement. The issue was
providing
something of value (free lodging) on property that was purchased with
government money. The local county wanted property taxes for the house
as
it was being used as "rental" property.
I can understand that if you are given free lodging instead of paying to
stay in a motel, it could be a sticky issue if in fact the premises were
procured with government money. If you can stay there for free so
should
anyone else.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:12 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help
Dan
We have been given this same feedback at our airport.
Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email.
Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask
him
for the background details?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer
wrote:
I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA.
I
am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is
just
for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a
couple
of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He
called
me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the
airport
received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the
face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the
man
is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing?
If
so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else.
dan
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
> fact,
> nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> Owens
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> -->
>
> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
> - Barack Obama
>
> History Unfolding
>
> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
> sharper focus.
>
> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to
> it..
> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
> within
> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The
> pace
> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>
> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>
>
> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>
>
> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
> is
> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was
> a
> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
> leaders.
> Apparently not.
>
> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
> economy. Why?
>
>
> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we
> are
> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
> picketing,
> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>
> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
> it
> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
> write
> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
> republic. To what purpose?
>
> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
> entire
> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and
> I
> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are
> at
> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>
> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
> about,
> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
> about
> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
> Oh,
> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
> are more important.)
>
> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>
> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
> now.
>
> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
> pieces
> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And
> when
> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>
> And that is only the beginning..
>
> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
> experience
> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his
> way
> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
> it right now.
>
> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
> lot.
> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department
> by
> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
> were
> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
> of
> course,
>
>
> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
> re-instill
> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
> they voted for.
>
> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
> books.
>
> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
> into
> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>
> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured
> country
> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
> and
> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
> just
> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>
> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I
> have
> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
> me
> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
> transpiring around me..
>
> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
> perhaps
> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>
> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
> in
> the next elections.
>
> David Kaiser
>
> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>
> United States
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
| From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
>
> I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
> written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
> balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
> wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
> California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
> Baywatch.)
>
> That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
> author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
> shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
> said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
> ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
> the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
> faxes.
>
> I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
> something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
> of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
> seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
>
> It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
> of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
> pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
> vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
> that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
> we're threatened.
>
> To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
> But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
> Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
> the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
> out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
> weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
> it.
>
> I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
> sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
> people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
> sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
> packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
> cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
> Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
>
> I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
> A little punchy.
>
> (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell
> little company I work for.)
>
> Please resume your regular programming.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
>>
>> As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
>> fact,
>> nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
>> Owens
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>>
>> -->
>>
>> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
>> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
>> - Barack Obama
>>
>> History Unfolding
>>
>> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
>> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
>> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
>> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
>> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
>> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
>> sharper focus.
>>
>> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
>> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to
>> it..
>> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
>> within
>> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The
>> pace
>> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>>
>> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
>> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>>
>>
>>
>> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
>> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>>
>>
>> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
>> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
>> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
>> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
>> is
>> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
>> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
>> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was
>> a
>> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
>> leaders.
>> Apparently not.
>>
>> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
>> economy. Why?
>>
>>
>> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
>> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we
>> are
>> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
>> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
>> picketing,
>> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>>
>> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
>> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
>> it
>> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
>> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
>> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
>> write
>> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
>> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
>> republic. To what purpose?
>>
>> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
>> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
>> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
>> entire
>> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and
>> I
>> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
>> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are
>> at
>> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
>> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
>> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>>
>> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
>> about,
>> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
>> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
>> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
>> about
>> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
>> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
>> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
>> Oh,
>> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
>> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
>> are more important.)
>>
>> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>>
>> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
>> now.
>>
>> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
>> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
>> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
>> pieces
>> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And
>> when
>> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>>
>> And that is only the beginning..
>>
>> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
>> experience
>> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
>> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
>> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
>> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
>> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his
>> way
>> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
>> it right now.
>>
>> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
>> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
>> lot.
>> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
>> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
>> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
>> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
>> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department
>> by
>> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
>> were
>> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
>> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
>> of
>> course,
>>
>>
>>
>> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
>> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
>> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
>> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
>> re-instill
>> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
>> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
>> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
>> they voted for.
>>
>> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
>> books.
>>
>> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
>> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
>> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
>> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
>> into
>> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
>> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>>
>> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured
>> country
>> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
>> and
>> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
>> just
>> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
>> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
>> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
>> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>>
>> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I
>> have
>> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
>> me
>> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
>> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
>> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
>> transpiring around me..
>>
>> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
>> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
>> perhaps
>> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
>> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>>
>> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
>> in
>> the next elections.
>>
>> David Kaiser
>>
>> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>>
>> United States
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it
was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and
my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come
to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up
home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've
got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white.
it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read
that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last
three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico
had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and
well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe
not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New
England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the
Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the
real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such
crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to
care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of
the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue
when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that
was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes
evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters
who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat
salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population
is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work
in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in
a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books
on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are
merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years.
The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks
make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that
is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us
to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought
this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing
our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one
woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And
we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people
of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with
real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000
wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as
I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has
never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign
the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming.
And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from
the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What
they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so.
No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to
the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun
control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this
all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the
history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in
1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was
booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span
than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of
course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what
is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff
at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology
of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a
muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people.
But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people
faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does
this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't
have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing
is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat
has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it
was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and
my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white.
it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read
that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the
last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly
begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico
had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and
well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe
not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New
England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the
Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the
real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such
crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to
care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of
the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue
when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that
was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks
in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS".
Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of
the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15
books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they
are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen
years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our
banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars
(that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell
us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I
thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally
de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and
one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...
And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending
people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are
with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and
$150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children
as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he
has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to
realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come
to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser
from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing.
What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do
so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs
to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating
gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did
this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in
the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected
in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he
was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time
span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions,
of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring
what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will
scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
| From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
FYI - Texas is in the process of passing a right to carry for concealed
handgun license holders to pack heat on campus in Universities (there are
some requirements - age etc)........ but it will give pause to a potential
university shooter to pull out a weapon - he might get the same treatment as
the nut job at the Colorado Springs church who never expected someone (a
woman) to charge into the gunfire....... and stop him with well placed
shots.
bobf
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
> Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
> appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both
> have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do
> harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to
> reasonably defend oneself.
>
> I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
> 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
> loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
> possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
> Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
> This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
> minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it
> isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we
> need easier access to more lethal weapons.
>
> The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
> right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
> inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
> perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
> terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
> and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
> the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
> killed by them.
>
> You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
> yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
> answers, maybe only questions.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
> gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
> gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
> to be an instant sedative.
>
> You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
> other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country
> music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control,
> you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
> have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was
> so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
> cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
> It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
> no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
> were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
> you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
> the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
>
> I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
> how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
> all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
> figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
> this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
> was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
>
> Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
> neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
> pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
> 24 hours a day?
>
> Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
> get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
> anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
> dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
>
> Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
> their outhouse.
>
> It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
> the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Feldtman
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
> autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is
> NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that
> document.
> I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last
> three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
> The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
> carrying heat in the plane.
> bobf
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
>
>>
>> I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
>> written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
>> balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
>> wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
>> California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
>> Baywatch.)
>>
>> That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
>> author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
>> shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
>> said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
>> ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
>> the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
>> faxes.
>>
>> I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
>> something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
>> of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
>> seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
>>
>> It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
>> of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
>> pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
>> vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
>> that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
>> we're threatened.
>>
>> To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people
>> take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt
>> out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like
>> now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want
>> to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and
>> automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if
>> you like it.
>>
>> I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
>> sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
>> people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
>> sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
>> packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
>> cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
>> Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
>>
>> I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a
>> row. A little punchy.
>>
>> (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell
>> little company I work for.)
>>
>> Please resume your regular programming.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
>>> fact,
>>> nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
>>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
>>> Owens
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
>>> I
>>> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
>>> - Barack Obama
>>>
>>> History Unfolding
>>>
>>> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
>>> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
>>> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
>>> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
>>> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
>>> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
>>> sharper focus.
>>>
>>> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
>>> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to
>>> it..
>>> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
>>> within
>>> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The
>>> pace
>>> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>>>
>>> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
>>> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
>>> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>>>
>>>
>>> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
>>> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
>>> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to
>>> whom
>>> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
>>> is
>>> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
>>> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the
>>> terms
>>> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this
>>> was a
>>> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
>>> leaders.
>>> Apparently not.
>>>
>>> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
>>> economy. Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and
>>> no
>>> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we
>>> are
>>> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
>>> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
>>> picketing,
>>> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>>>
>>> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
>>> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
>>> it
>>> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
>>> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
>>> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
>>> write
>>> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
>>> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
>>> republic. To what purpose?
>>>
>>> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
>>> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
>>> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
>>> entire
>>> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college
>>> and I
>>> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
>>> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are
>>> at
>>> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
>>> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
>>> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>>>
>>> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
>>> about,
>>> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
>>> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
>>> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
>>> about
>>> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
>>> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
>>> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
>>> Oh,
>>> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
>>> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000
>>> wardrobe
>>> are more important.)
>>>
>>> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>>>
>>> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
>>> now.
>>>
>>> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
>>> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide
>>> us
>>> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
>>> pieces
>>> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And
>>> when
>>> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>>>
>>> And that is only the beginning..
>>>
>>> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
>>> experience
>>> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
>>> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
>>> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
>>> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
>>> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his
>>> way
>>> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers"
>>> read
>>> it right now.
>>>
>>> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were
>>> losing
>>> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
>>> lot.
>>> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
>>> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did
>>> -
>>> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
>>> full-throttled
>>> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but
>>> surely
>>> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department
>>> by
>>> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
>>> were
>>> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
>>> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
>>> of
>>> course,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
>>> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
>>> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun
>>> control,
>>> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
>>> re-instill
>>> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
>>> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
>>> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
>>> they voted for.
>>>
>>> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
>>> books.
>>>
>>> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933
>>> and
>>> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
>>> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
>>> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
>>> into
>>> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
>>> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>>>
>>> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured
>>> country
>>> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
>>> and
>>> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
>>> just
>>> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
>>> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents,
>>> and
>>> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
>>> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>>>
>>> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I
>>> have
>>> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
>>> me
>>> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
>>> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
>>> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
>>> transpiring around me..
>>>
>>> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
>>> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
>>> perhaps
>>> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell
>>> them
>>> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>>>
>>> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
>>> in
>>> the next elections.
>>>
>>> David Kaiser
>>>
>>> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>>>
>>> United States
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Steve;
I have a lot of mixed emotions on this, but, as near as I can figure
out, when the Second Amendment was adopted, the citizen could own and
carry the same weapons the military could, in like manner, concealed or
in plain sight. Maybe that was to protect against all enemies, foreign
and domestic. And remember, the oath I took was to "protect and defend
the Constitution" period.
I believe it is Vermont has the correct interpretation, if you are legal
to buy it you are legal to carry it, period.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve W
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does
this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe
defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I
don't have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be
packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why
it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger
and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed
in their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's
own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and
white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all
re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the
last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly
begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back
to carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And
Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart
and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys
maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And
New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of
the Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and
the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is
such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems
to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch
of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming
issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap
that was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many
weeks in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS".
Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of
the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15
books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking
crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they
are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen
years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our
banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars
(that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not
tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and
mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so
strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why
are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I
thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally
de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional,
and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are
not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every
close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and
one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?)
We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then
mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the
verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare
and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is
staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...
And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending
people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats
of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town
as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are
with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything
we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary
(Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and
over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and
$150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children
as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he
has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama
will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to
realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come
to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the
mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser
from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing.
What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned
and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission.
Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression.
Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name
where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do
so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs
to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating
gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising
to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across
the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did
this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people
surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in
the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected
in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while
seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he
was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right,
though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time
span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions,
of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I
can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring
what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will
scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye
and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope
is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Cate Chagnot" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Dale,
Welcome to the 'formation'! Are you outta your mind? Two? And now you're going
to find that it will hurt too much to use one and strip it for parts. How can
one let one of these beautiful Birds not fly?
I owned (and still do) a Cessna 180 Skywagon when I bought my 680E from a US Marshall's
sale. Every time I think about the fact that I should sell one to be
able to pay for the other (and food), I just can't even think about it.
I just get out my trusty gun and go shoot a deer, nail a retread to my feat and
just keep 'em flying. We should rename this group as "Commander Nuts Anonymous".
:-)
Again. Welcome to the club!
Cate
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior
of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap
that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100%
illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of technology.
The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when they framed
the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the genie back in
the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance, still wouldn't
stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted. The Virginia
Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill handguns.
Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work out for
the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was
back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment
would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT
had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but
one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate
end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized. What if
the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have continued to
circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to manage their
"perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A well-prepared shooter
could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If a legally armed
teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as they started
shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe none. I'm also
aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense of
responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense of
responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or
Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball
bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball
game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing,
CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports
that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior.
So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as
132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is
fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been
proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take
the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or
their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns haven't
killed ANYONE.
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
John,
You have hit it on the head. Any one that thinks the criminals are going to
run down and turn in their gun is certainly not thinking clearly, these are
people that don't obey the law to start with. They will just sit back and
laugh their heads off. Being unarmed just makes their job easer. I saw a
program on TV 20 years ago where they were interviewing a felon and he said
he was not supposed to own a gun but if you tell him what you want he can
get it within 24 hours and this was single shot to full automatic. The
reason fire power has increased over the years is because the fire power the
bad guys have has improved. If every one went through the CHL class and
found out the laws, got over the fear of guns and what the bad guys are
doing it would be better, even if they did not intend to carry. I think they
would be afraid not to carry when they found out what is really going on.
I learned a lot and it is scary what some of the bad guys do such as
bringing a battery powered drill and threaten to drill holes in your knee
caps if you don't tell them where things are they ask for.
It boils down to a matter of when second's count the police are only minutes
away. I may be wrong but I think there is one police officer per 1200
people.
I am such a red neck gun nut I was reluctant to add my two cents but her it
is.
Jim A
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior
of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap
that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100%
illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of technology.
The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when they framed
the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the genie back in
the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance, still wouldn't
stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted. The Virginia
Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill handguns.
Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work out for
the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was
back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment
would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT
had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but
one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate
end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized. What if
the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have continued to
circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to manage their
"perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A well-prepared shooter
could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If a legally armed
teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as they started
shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe none. I'm also
aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense of
responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense of
responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or
Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball
bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball
game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing,
CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports
that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior.
So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as
132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is
fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been
proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take
the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or
their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns haven't
killed ANYONE.
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| From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
> Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
> appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both
> have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do
> harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to
> reasonably defend oneself.
>
> I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
> 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
> loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
> possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
> Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
> This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
> minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it
> isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we
> need easier access to more lethal weapons.
>
> The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
> right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
> inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
> perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
> terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
> and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
> the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
> killed by them.
>
> You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
> yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
> answers, maybe only questions.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* nico css
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
> gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
> gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
> to be an instant sedative.
>
> You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
> other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country
> music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control,
> you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
> have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was
> so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
> cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
> It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
> no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
> were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
> you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
> the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
>
> I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
> how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
> all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
> figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
> this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
> was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
>
> Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
> neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
> pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
> 24 hours a day?
>
> Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
> get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
> anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
> dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
>
> Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
> their outhouse.
>
> It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
> the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robert Feldtman
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
> autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is
> NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that
> document.
> I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last
> three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
> The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
> carrying heat in the plane.
> bobf
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
>
>>
>> I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
>> written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
>> balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
>> wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
>> California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
>> Baywatch.)
>>
>> That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
>> author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
>> shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
>> said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
>> ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
>> the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
>> faxes.
>>
>> I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
>> something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
>> of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
>> seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
>>
>> It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
>> of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
>> pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
>> vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
>> that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
>> we're threatened.
>>
>> To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people
>> take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt
>> out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like
>> now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want
>> to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and
>> automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if
>> you like it.
>>
>> I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
>> sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
>> people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
>> sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
>> packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
>> cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
>> Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
>>
>> I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a
>> row. A little punchy.
>>
>> (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell
>> little company I work for.)
>>
>> Please resume your regular programming.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
>>> fact,
>>> nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
>>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
>>> Owens
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
>>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>>>
>>> -->
>>>
>>> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
>>> I
>>> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
>>> - Barack Obama
>>>
>>> History Unfolding
>>>
>>> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
>>> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
>>> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
>>> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
>>> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
>>> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
>>> sharper focus.
>>>
>>> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
>>> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to
>>> it..
>>> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
>>> within
>>> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The
>>> pace
>>> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>>>
>>> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
>>> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
>>> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>>>
>>>
>>> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
>>> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
>>> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to
>>> whom
>>> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
>>> is
>>> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
>>> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the
>>> terms
>>> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this
>>> was a
>>> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
>>> leaders.
>>> Apparently not.
>>>
>>> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
>>> economy. Why?
>>>
>>>
>>> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and
>>> no
>>> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we
>>> are
>>> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
>>> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
>>> picketing,
>>> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>>>
>>> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
>>> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
>>> it
>>> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
>>> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
>>> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
>>> write
>>> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
>>> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
>>> republic. To what purpose?
>>>
>>> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
>>> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
>>> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
>>> entire
>>> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college
>>> and I
>>> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
>>> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are
>>> at
>>> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
>>> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
>>> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>>>
>>> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
>>> about,
>>> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
>>> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
>>> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
>>> about
>>> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
>>> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
>>> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
>>> Oh,
>>> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
>>> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000
>>> wardrobe
>>> are more important.)
>>>
>>> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>>>
>>> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
>>> now.
>>>
>>> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
>>> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide
>>> us
>>> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
>>> pieces
>>> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And
>>> when
>>> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>>>
>>> And that is only the beginning..
>>>
>>> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
>>> experience
>>> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
>>> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
>>> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
>>> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
>>> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his
>>> way
>>> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers"
>>> read
>>> it right now.
>>>
>>> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were
>>> losing
>>> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
>>> lot.
>>> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
>>> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did
>>> -
>>> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
>>> full-throttled
>>> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but
>>> surely
>>> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department
>>> by
>>> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
>>> were
>>> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
>>> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
>>> of
>>> course,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
>>> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
>>> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun
>>> control,
>>> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
>>> re-instill
>>> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
>>> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
>>> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
>>> they voted for.
>>>
>>> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
>>> books.
>>>
>>> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933
>>> and
>>> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
>>> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
>>> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
>>> into
>>> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
>>> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>>>
>>> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured
>>> country
>>> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
>>> and
>>> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
>>> just
>>> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
>>> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents,
>>> and
>>> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
>>> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>>>
>>> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I
>>> have
>>> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
>>> me
>>> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
>>> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
>>> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
>>> transpiring around me..
>>>
>>> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
>>> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
>>> perhaps
>>> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell
>>> them
>>> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>>>
>>> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
>>> in
>>> the next elections.
>>>
>>> David Kaiser
>>>
>>> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>>>
>>> United States
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble
with his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is
the approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use
one with care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted
under the Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I
don't want to disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is
just 'benign appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like
baseball bats and cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there are
some individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to
themselves and occasionally society. But because of the vast number of
toasters on the streets due to our fascination with making perfect
toast, its all too easy for the criminal and the incompetent to gain
access to increasingly powerful toasters. Because of the toaster's
intended use and function, even in cases of tragic neglect or willful
misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of course, a deranged or
determined individual could probably kill one or two men with a toaster
before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old chrome
jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the
right hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the
hundreds of millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades
there have been surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who
intend harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were
perpetrated with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that
the guns used were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to
acquire. The specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these
weapons will just appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do
anything about or should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did
look up to see what firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also
in Columbine and Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the
reminders of personal tragedy and heroism is enough to break your
heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta
semi-auto pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and
laser sighting. Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that
has 52, 32 and 28 round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I
suppose my point is, how is it that these firearms are now becoming
commonplace and easy to acquire? What justification is there to own such
a thing? Now I know everyone will probably say they don't need a
justification. It is their right to own such a weapon. I'm not yet
prepared to say it isn't their right because of the constitutional
implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is correct and
responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree of
risk to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to impose
unjust laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything they want.
I would submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible) that the
exercising the right to by any firearm you feel like may have
consequences not much thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an
industry for them. So many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't
keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. But this seems to be
ignoring the entire economy around such firearms. Who is making them,
who is buying them, how are they getting to the streets. People can get
off on owning these things, but they are supporting the manufacturing of
increasingly lethal weapons which will be a around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a
conversation off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than my
shotgun.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the
behavior of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate
logical leap that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's
make murder 100% illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of
technology. The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind
when they framed the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't
put the genie back in the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for
instance, still wouldn't stop a nutball from getting his hands on
anything he wanted. The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with a
couple of run-of-the-mill handguns. Carrying weapons on campus was
already illegal. How did that work out for the students that day? The
2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was back when it was first
put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment would have been more
clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT had his own
handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but one armed
student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate end,
and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized.
What if the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have
continued to circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to
manage their "perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A
well-prepared shooter could have taken many dozens more victims with
him. If a legally armed teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine
as soon as they started shooting, how many copycat shootings would have
ensued? Maybe none. I'm also aware of the other side of the issue; it
takes a strong sense of responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal
weapon. But the same sense of responsibility is assumed when a driver's
license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite
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