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society." Or Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead
with a baseball bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from
driving to the ball game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is
increasing, CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me
some reports that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported
psychotic behavior. So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean
there might be as many as 132,000 people ready to snap and do something
crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely
because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and
demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might
also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives.
Take the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use
rocks or their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking
the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns
haven't killed ANYONE.
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From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this
week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big
increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it
you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know
better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no
guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed
Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public
colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones.
Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who
pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who
complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their
right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit
a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying
handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a
dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they
would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed
to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge
them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments
not supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology
of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a
muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people.
But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people
faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does
this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't
have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing
is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat
has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it
was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and
my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
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From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white.
it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read
that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the
last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly
begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico
had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and
well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe
not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New
England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the
Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the
real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such
crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to
care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of
the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue
when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that
was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes
evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters
who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat
salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population
is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work
in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in
a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser.
In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books
on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or
a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are
merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into
a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react
to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years.
The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks
make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little
or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us
to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And
that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just
this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the
terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought
this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing
our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history,
and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why
we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial
that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one
woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges
to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free
fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in
its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we
are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people
of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with
real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you
have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders?
No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and
then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000
wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change.
Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I
am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has
never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign
the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming.
And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In
those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from
the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What
they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged
his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were
losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that
his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they
did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but
surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they
were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No
Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to
the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun
control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this
all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got
what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the
history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in
1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in
the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was
booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And
the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured
country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span
than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of
course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions,
I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence
tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope
I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at
me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our
vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
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From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Steve,
I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want to blame
someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't matter. As
long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments in weaponry,
we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding fathers weren't
thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's revolver, to use your
argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless ammunition weapons (which
exist now, and although unrefined, offer unprecedented individual firepower)
or the plasma rifles of science fiction. Increasing the lethality &
simplicity of weapns is the human constant, ever since David discovered that
a leather strap can do more than hold your pants up. The market will exist
for the equipment regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get
along" argument.
My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same equipment that
the people who can threaten me do. As far as availability, we already have
exceptional laws on the books to prevent criminals from getting guns. They
don't work. They never will. Just like the War on Drugs. Opiates are very
tightly controlled, and we spend billions and billions every year to combat
it; but you can still go to a street corner in any major American city and
get what you want...cheaply and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will
always remain ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem:
the 250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work,
for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it hasn't;
gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary turn-ins),
but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still absorbed
by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a killing. They're
inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun shooting victims live
if they're treated professionally within the first hour. I have a friend
that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in the early '90s. It got to
the point where they rarely went lights-and-sirens to a handgun
shooting...there's no hurry. Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to
be more lethal. They're not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far
superior killer, and why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of
a hollowpoint is to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to
kill the bad guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2
extra walls and hurting your children.
In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round magazines
or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people would have
died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality high-speed reload
practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever tried a laser sight on
a handgun? There's a reason they're still curiosities, and largely unused.
They respond to every bump of your heart and twitch of your muscles,
multiplied by the distance. At 15' all you realize is how likely you are to
miss. They're a distraction. You don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them
for a reason.
Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery slope. You
DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we should limit
everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high horsepower for a
single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for neighborhoods, less damage to
housing when they crash, and gee, you can still get the same enjoyment out
of it.
I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created a
HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have come
into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has decided that
it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a felony; the legal
system would collapse under its own weight, so they're making possession a
"public nuisance" which would result in confiscation and a $100 fine. Talk
about a self-defeating set of laws...
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always the
small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to fly
around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map with an
ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real need" for
a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary means it
should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very liberal) papers are
the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted because one resident with
a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was able to deter a gang of thugs
from entering his home. No shots fired, no harm done, everyone safely at
home that evening. Think he'd have done as well with the baseball bat? Or a
5-shot revolver?
I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on the
subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the higher
moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it. But I'm a
pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone easy to fill the
camps with first.
Now back to flying....
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble with
his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is the
approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use one with
care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted under the
Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I don't want to
disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is just 'benign
appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like baseball bats and
cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there are some
individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to themselves and
occasionally society. But because of the vast number of toasters on the
streets due to our fascination with making perfect toast, its all too easy
for the criminal and the incompetent to gain access to increasingly powerful
toasters. Because of the toaster's intended use and function, even in cases
of tragic neglect or willful misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of
course, a deranged or determined individual could probably kill one or two
men with a toaster before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old
chrome jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the right
hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the hundreds of
millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades there have been
surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who intend
harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were perpetrated
with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that the guns used
were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to acquire. The
specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these weapons will just
appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do anything about or
should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did look up to see what
firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also in Columbine and
Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the reminders of personal
tragedy and heroism is enough to break your heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta semi-auto
pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and laser sighting.
Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that has 52, 32 and 28
round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I suppose my point is, how
is it that these firearms are now becoming commonplace and easy to acquire?
What justification is there to own such a thing? Now I know everyone will
probably say they don't need a justification. It is their right to own such
a weapon. I'm not yet prepared to say it isn't their right because of the
constitutional implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is
correct and responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree of risk
to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to impose unjust
laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything they want. I would
submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible) that the exercising
the right to by any firearm you feel like may have consequences not much
thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an industry for them. So
many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't keep guns out of the hands
of the bad guys. But this seems to be ignoring the entire economy around
such firearms. Who is making them, who is buying them, how are they getting
to the streets. People can get off on owning these things, but they are
supporting the manufacturing of increasingly lethal weapons which will be a
around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a conversation
off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than my
shotgun.
Steve
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From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior
of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap
that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100%
illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of technology.
The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when they framed
the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the genie back in
the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance, still wouldn't
stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted. The Virginia
Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill handguns.
Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work out for
the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was
back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment
would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT
had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but
one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate
end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized. What if
the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have continued to
circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to manage their
"perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A well-prepared shooter
could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If a legally armed
teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as they started
shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe none. I'm also
aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense of
responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense of
responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or
Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball
bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball
game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing,
CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports
that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior.
So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as
132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is
fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been
proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take
the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or
their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns haven't
killed ANYONE.
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From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Subject: | Re: Past time... |
John,
Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation.
Thank you for the informative post from a different perspective. This
list has been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask
questions from, people with very different perspectives. I know we'll
never "just all get along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better
aware and prepared for that than most would think. It's not a bad idea
for anyone to stop and ask how they know that what they think is so, and
you've provided some facts I didn't have. I'm no more or less moral
than anybody, and I'm not the point. When people I come to respect feel
passionately about something, even when they don't particularly care for
me, I'm always interested to know why.
I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire season
out behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping projects
watching our company's president launch instead. Responsibility sucks.
S-
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From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve,
I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want to
blame someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't
matter. As long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments
in weaponry, we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding
fathers weren't thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's
revolver, to use your argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless
ammunition weapons (which exist now, and although unrefined, offer
unprecedented individual firepower) or the plasma rifles of science
fiction. Increasing the lethality & simplicity of weapns is the human
constant, ever since David discovered that a leather strap can do more
than hold your pants up. The market will exist for the equipment
regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get along"
argument.
My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same
equipment that the people who can threaten me do. As far as
availability, we already have exceptional laws on the books to prevent
criminals from getting guns. They don't work. They never will. Just like
the War on Drugs. Opiates are very tightly controlled, and we spend
billions and billions every year to combat it; but you can still go to a
street corner in any major American city and get what you want...cheaply
and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will always remain
ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem: the
250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work,
for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it
hasn't; gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary
turn-ins), but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still
absorbed by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a
killing. They're inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun
shooting victims live if they're treated professionally within the first
hour. I have a friend that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in
the early '90s. It got to the point where they rarely went
lights-and-sirens to a handgun shooting...there's no hurry.
Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to be more lethal. They're
not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far superior killer, and
why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of a hollowpoint is
to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to kill the bad
guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2 extra walls
and hurting your children.
In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round
magazines or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people
would have died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality
high-speed reload practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever
tried a laser sight on a handgun? There's a reason they're still
curiosities, and largely unused. They respond to every bump of your
heart and twitch of your muscles, multiplied by the distance. At 15' all
you realize is how likely you are to miss. They're a distraction. You
don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them for a reason.
Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery slope.
You DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we should
limit everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high horsepower
for a single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for neighborhoods, less
damage to housing when they crash, and gee, you can still get the same
enjoyment out of it.
I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created
a HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have
come into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has
decided that it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a
felony; the legal system would collapse under its own weight, so they're
making possession a "public nuisance" which would result in confiscation
and a $100 fine. Talk about a self-defeating set of laws...
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for
a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always
the small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to
fly around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map
with an ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real
need" for
a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary means
it should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very liberal)
papers are the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted because
one resident with a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was able to
deter a gang of thugs from entering his home. No shots fired, no harm
done, everyone safely at home that evening. Think he'd have done as well
with the baseball bat? Or a 5-shot revolver?
I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on the
subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the
higher moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it.
But I'm a pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone
easy to fill the camps with first.
Now back to flying....
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble
with his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is
the approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use
one with care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted
under the Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I
don't want to disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is
just 'benign appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like
baseball bats and cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there
are some individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to
themselves and occasionally society. But because of the vast number of
toasters on the streets due to our fascination with making perfect
toast, its all too easy for the criminal and the incompetent to gain
access to increasingly powerful toasters. Because of the toaster's
intended use and function, even in cases of tragic neglect or willful
misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of course, a deranged or
determined individual could probably kill one or two men with a toaster
before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old chrome
jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the
right hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the
hundreds of millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades
there have been surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who
intend harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were
perpetrated with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that
the guns used were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to
acquire. The specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these
weapons will just appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do
anything about or should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did
look up to see what firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also
in Columbine and Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the
reminders of personal tragedy and heroism is enough to break your
heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta
semi-auto pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and
laser sighting. Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that
has 52, 32 and 28 round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I
suppose my point is, how is it that these firearms are now becoming
commonplace and easy to acquire? What justification is there to own such
a thing? Now I know everyone will probably say they don't need a
justification. It is their right to own such a weapon. I'm not yet
prepared to say it isn't their right because of the constitutional
implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is correct and
responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree
of risk to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to
impose unjust laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything
they want. I would submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible)
that the exercising the right to by any firearm you feel like may have
consequences not much thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an
industry for them. So many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't
keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. But this seems to be
ignoring the entire economy around such firearms. Who is making them,
who is buying them, how are they getting to the streets. People can get
off on owning these things, but they are supporting the manufacturing of
increasingly lethal weapons which will be a around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a
conversation off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than
my shotgun.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the
behavior of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate
logical leap that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's
make murder 100% illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of
technology. The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind
when they framed the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't
put the genie back in the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for
instance, still wouldn't stop a nutball from getting his hands on
anything he wanted. The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with a
couple of run-of-the-mill handguns. Carrying weapons on campus was
already illegal. How did that work out for the students that day? The
2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was back when it was first
put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment would have been more
clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT had his own
handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but one armed
student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate end,
and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized.
What if the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have
continued to circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to
manage their "perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A
well-prepared shooter could have taken many dozens more victims with
him. If a legally armed teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine
as soon as they started shooting, how many copycat shootings would have
ensued? Maybe none. I'm also aware of the other side of the issue; it
takes a strong sense of responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal
weapon. But the same sense of responsibility is assumed when a driver's
license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite
society." Or Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead
with a baseball bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from
driving to the ball game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is
increasing, CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me
some reports that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported
psychotic behavior. So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean
there might be as many as 132,000 people ready to snap and do something
crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely
because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and
demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might
also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use
knives. Take the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll
use rocks or their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by
taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns
haven't killed ANYONE.
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From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Subject: | Re: Past time... |
Steve;
There is a shooting school near Las Vegas, in California,
(www.frontsight.com) that is one of the best in the business. The owner
states that your first weapon of choice for self defense should be a
rapid fire rifle or shotgun, a pistol due to its inaccuracy and lower
firepower should only be considered for concealed carry purposes.
I live three blocks from a police station, it still takes them twenty
minutes to arrive, just in time to make out a police report. I truly
believe my first and main line of defense for myself and my family is
me.
Would you all please stop saying we don't need a twin engine cabin class
airplane, 'big brother' may be watching and reading this stuff and
agree!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve at Col-East
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
John,
Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation.
Thank you for the informative post from a different perspective. This
list has been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask
questions from, people with very different perspectives. I know we'll
never "just all get along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better
aware and prepared for that than most would think. It's not a bad idea
for anyone to stop and ask how they know that what they think is so, and
you've provided some facts I didn't have. I'm no more or less moral
than anybody, and I'm not the point. When people I come to respect feel
passionately about something, even when they don't particularly care for
me, I'm always interested to know why.
I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire
season out behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping
projects watching our company's president launch instead. Responsibility
sucks.
S-
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve,
I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want
to blame someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't
matter. As long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments
in weaponry, we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding
fathers weren't thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's
revolver, to use your argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless
ammunition weapons (which exist now, and although unrefined, offer
unprecedented individual firepower) or the plasma rifles of science
fiction. Increasing the lethality & simplicity of weapns is the human
constant, ever since David discovered that a leather strap can do more
than hold your pants up. The market will exist for the equipment
regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get along"
argument.
My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same
equipment that the people who can threaten me do. As far as
availability, we already have exceptional laws on the books to prevent
criminals from getting guns. They don't work. They never will. Just like
the War on Drugs. Opiates are very tightly controlled, and we spend
billions and billions every year to combat it; but you can still go to a
street corner in any major American city and get what you want...cheaply
and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will always remain
ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem: the
250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work,
for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it
hasn't; gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary
turn-ins), but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still
absorbed by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a
killing. They're inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun
shooting victims live if they're treated professionally within the first
hour. I have a friend that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in
the early '90s. It got to the point where they rarely went
lights-and-sirens to a handgun shooting...there's no hurry.
Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to be more lethal. They're
not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far superior killer, and
why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of a hollowpoint is
to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to kill the bad
guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2 extra walls
and hurting your children.
In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round
magazines or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people
would have died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality
high-speed reload practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever
tried a laser sight on a handgun? There's a reason they're still
curiosities, and largely unused. They respond to every bump of your
heart and twitch of your muscles, multiplied by the distance. At 15' all
you realize is how likely you are to miss. They're a distraction. You
don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them for a reason.
Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery
slope. You DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we
should limit everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high
horsepower for a single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for
neighborhoods, less damage to housing when they crash, and gee, you can
still get the same enjoyment out of it.
I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created
a HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have
come into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has
decided that it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a
felony; the legal system would collapse under its own weight, so they're
making possession a "public nuisance" which would result in confiscation
and a $100 fine. Talk about a self-defeating set of laws...
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust
for a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always
the small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to
fly around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map
with an ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real
need" for
a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary
means it should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very
liberal) papers are the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted
because one resident with a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was
able to deter a gang of thugs from entering his home. No shots fired, no
harm done, everyone safely at home that evening. Think he'd have done as
well with the baseball bat? Or a 5-shot revolver?
I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on
the subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the
higher moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it.
But I'm a pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone
easy to fill the camps with first.
Now back to flying....
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of
trouble with his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true,
but his is the approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no
doubt use one with care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as
granted under the Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken
away. I don't want to disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the
firearm is just 'benign appliance' that can be used properly or
improperly like baseball bats and cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there
are some individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to
themselves and occasionally society. But because of the vast number of
toasters on the streets due to our fascination with making perfect
toast, its all too easy for the criminal and the incompetent to gain
access to increasingly powerful toasters. Because of the toaster's
intended use and function, even in cases of tragic neglect or willful
misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of course, a deranged or
determined individual could probably kill one or two men with a toaster
before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old chrome
jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the
right hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the
hundreds of millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades
there have been surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people
who intend harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings
were perpetrated with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was
that the guns used were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy
to acquire. The specific problem I have I think is the attitude that
these weapons will just appear on streets in a process we are powerless
to do anything about or should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I
did look up to see what firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it
also in Columbine and Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and
the reminders of personal tragedy and heroism is enough to break your
heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta
semi-auto pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and
laser sighting. Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that
has 52, 32 and 28 round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I
suppose my point is, how is it that these firearms are now becoming
commonplace and easy to acquire? What justification is there to own such
a thing? Now I know everyone will probably say they don't need a
justification. It is their right to own such a weapon. I'm not yet
prepared to say it isn't their right because of the constitutional
implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is correct and
responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree
of risk to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to
impose unjust laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything
they want. I would submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible)
that the exercising the right to by any firearm you feel like may have
consequences not much thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an
industry for them. So many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't
keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. But this seems to be
ignoring the entire economy around such firearms. Who is making them,
who is buying them, how are they getting to the streets. People can get
off on owning these things, but they are supporting the manufacturing of
increasingly lethal weapons which will be a around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for
a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a
conversation off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than
my shotgun.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the
behavior of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate
logical leap that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's
make murder 100% illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of
technology. The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind
when they framed the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't
put the genie back in the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for
instance, still wouldn't stop a nutball from getting his hands on
anything he wanted. The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with a
couple of run-of-the-mill handguns. Carrying weapons on campus was
already illegal. How did that work out for the students that day? The
2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was back when it was first
put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment would have been more
clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT had his own
handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but one armed
student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate end,
and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized.
What if the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have
continued to circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to
manage their "perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A
well-prepared shooter could have taken many dozens more victims with
him. If a legally armed teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine
as soon as they started shooting, how many copycat shootings would have
ensued? Maybe none. I'm also aware of the other side of the issue; it
takes a strong sense of responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal
weapon. But the same sense of responsibility is assumed when a driver's
license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite
society." Or Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead
with a baseball bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from
driving to the ball game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is
increasing, CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me
some reports that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported
psychotic behavior. So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean
there might be as many as 132,000 people ready to snap and do something
crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely
because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and
demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might
also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use
knives. Take the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll
use rocks or their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by
taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns
haven't killed ANYONE.
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From: | "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" <RnJThompson(at)aol.com> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lig
hter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a ser
vice
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the model
s they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 airc
raft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with
enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this
week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big incr
ease
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are
not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what yo
u can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are
telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Hand
gun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult stud
ents,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive
state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgu
n
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simp
ly
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university cam
pus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no stati
stical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to
the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urg
e them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropr
iate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have on
ly had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It
is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably de
fend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technolog
y of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a
muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now
it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virg
inia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or ele
ven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it
isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we
need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does
this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been complete
ly
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights,
yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe
from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Havin
g easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, whi
le at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of bein
g
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defe
nd
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't
have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is
fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been
proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor throu
gh
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country
music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, yo
u
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all
you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it
was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal
power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe,
but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rul
es
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a Presi
dent
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic
because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determ
ining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wond
er if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some fo
lks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the
time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe
it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and
my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slug
s, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his
house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and com
e to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up hom
e-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to st
op him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they'v
e got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own au
tonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NO
T a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that docu
ment.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last
three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to ca
rrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not
being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons wi
th
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the rea
l
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy
assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what
is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left ab
out
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to le
arn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming thro
ugh as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evi
dence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who wil
l
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear.
Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many
sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class mo
re
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice ever
ything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear bec
ause
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people
take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt
out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now
, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want
to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you
like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier an
d
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the populati
on is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work
in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in
a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell
little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
om>
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the worl
d. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumenta
lly
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are mer
ely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because
I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to
it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The
pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country
and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or
no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to
whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And
that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just
this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the
terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this
was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected le
aders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, an
d no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why
we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically
,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picke
ting,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close electi
on
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial
that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one wom
an.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxis
t
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fa
ll,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our
entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college
and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in it
s
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we
are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of
the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything
about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with rea
l
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you ha
ve
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders?
No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and
then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 ward
robe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change.
Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has neve
r,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divid
e us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And
when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to expe
rience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In th
ose
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged hi
s way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers"
read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were lo
sing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved
a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that hi
s
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they
did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throt
tled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but su
rely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, departme
nt by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizen
s were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they
were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No
Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industr
ial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun cont
rol,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-in
still
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world.
He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all
in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got wh
at
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the hist
ory
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933
and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinsto
n
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in th
e
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booe
d into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And th
e
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured co
untry
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratorie
s, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span tha
n just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens
,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents,
and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of cour
se.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions,
I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence
tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history
is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope
I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at
me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell
them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our
vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
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From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: Past time... |
Steve, You are entitled to your opinion but it is my job to show you the
light so you will change your opinion.
I know I could not find it but there is an email going around that has a
dozen reasons in favor of the right to carry. The one that stands out the
most to me is the one that says " I don't carry a gun to shoot someone, I
carry to keep someone from shooting my granddaughter, daughter, friends or
me. Go to Frontsight.com. They can explain it far better than I can.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
John,
Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation. Thank
you for the informative post from a different perspective. This list has
been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask questions from,
people with very different perspectives. I know we'll never "just all get
along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better aware and prepared for
that than most would think. It's not a bad idea for anyone to stop and ask
how they know that what they think is so, and you've provided some facts I
didn't have. I'm no more or less moral than anybody, and I'm not the point.
When people I come to respect feel passionately about something, even when
they don't particularly care for me, I'm always interested to know why.
I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire season out
behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping projects watching our
company's president launch instead. Responsibility sucks.
S-
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve,
I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want to blame
someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't matter. As
long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments in weaponry,
we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding fathers weren't
thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's revolver, to use your
argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless ammunition weapons (which
exist now, and although unrefined, offer unprecedented individual firepower)
or the plasma rifles of science fiction. Increasing the lethality &
simplicity of weapns is the human constant, ever since David discovered that
a leather strap can do more than hold your pants up. The market will exist
for the equipment regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get
along" argument.
My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same equipment that
the people who can threaten me do. As far as availability, we already have
exceptional laws on the books to prevent criminals from getting guns. They
don't work. They never will. Just like the War on Drugs. Opiates are very
tightly controlled, and we spend billions and billions every year to combat
it; but you can still go to a street corner in any major American city and
get what you want...cheaply and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will
always remain ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem:
the 250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work,
for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it hasn't;
gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary turn-ins),
but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still absorbed
by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a killing. They're
inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun shooting victims live
if they're treated professionally within the first hour. I have a friend
that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in the early '90s. It got to
the point where they rarely went lights-and-sirens to a handgun
shooting...there's no hurry. Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to
be more lethal. They're not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far
superior killer, and why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of
a hollowpoint is to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to
kill the bad guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2
extra walls and hurting your children.
In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round magazines
or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people would have
died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality high-speed reload
practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever tried a laser sight on
a handgun? There's a reason they're still curiosities, and largely unused.
They respond to every bump of your heart and twitch of your muscles,
multiplied by the distance. At 15' all you realize is how likely you are to
miss. They're a distraction. You don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them
for a reason.
Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery slope. You
DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we should limit
everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high horsepower for a
single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for neighborhoods, less damage to
housing when they crash, and gee, you can still get the same enjoyment out
of it.
I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created a
HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have come
into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has decided that
it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a felony; the legal
system would collapse under its own weight, so they're making possession a
"public nuisance" which would result in confiscation and a $100 fine. Talk
about a self-defeating set of laws...
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always the
small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to fly
around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map with an
ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real need" for
a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary means it
should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very liberal) papers are
the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted because one resident with
a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was able to deter a gang of thugs
from entering his home. No shots fired, no harm done, everyone safely at
home that evening. Think he'd have done as well with the baseball bat? Or a
5-shot revolver?
I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on the
subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the higher
moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it. But I'm a
pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone easy to fill the
camps with first.
Now back to flying....
/J
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble with
his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is the
approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use one with
care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted under the
Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I don't want to
disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is just 'benign
appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like baseball bats and
cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there are some
individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to themselves and
occasionally society. But because of the vast number of toasters on the
streets due to our fascination with making perfect toast, its all too easy
for the criminal and the incompetent to gain access to increasingly powerful
toasters. Because of the toaster's intended use and function, even in cases
of tragic neglect or willful misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of
course, a deranged or determined individual could probably kill one or two
men with a toaster before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old
chrome jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the right
hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the hundreds of
millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades there have been
surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who intend
harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were perpetrated
with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that the guns used
were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to acquire. The
specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these weapons will just
appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do anything about or
should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did look up to see what
firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also in Columbine and
Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the reminders of personal
tragedy and heroism is enough to break your heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta semi-auto
pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and laser sighting.
Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that has 52, 32 and 28
round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I suppose my point is, how
is it that these firearms are now becoming commonplace and easy to acquire?
What justification is there to own such a thing? Now I know everyone will
probably say they don't need a justification. It is their right to own such
a weapon. I'm not yet prepared to say it isn't their right because of the
constitutional implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is
correct and responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree of risk
to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to impose unjust
laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything they want. I would
submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible) that the exercising
the right to by any firearm you feel like may have consequences not much
thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an industry for them. So
many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't keep guns out of the hands
of the bad guys. But this seems to be ignoring the entire economy around
such firearms. Who is making them, who is buying them, how are they getting
to the streets. People can get off on owning these things, but they are
supporting the manufacturing of increasingly lethal weapons which will be a
around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a conversation
off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than my
shotgun.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior
of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap
that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100%
illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of technology.
The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when they framed
the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the genie back in
the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance, still wouldn't
stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted. The Virginia
Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill handguns.
Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work out for
the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was
back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment
would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT
had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but
one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate
end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized. What if
the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have continued to
circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to manage their
"perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A well-prepared shooter
could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If a legally armed
teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as they started
shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe none. I'm also
aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense of
responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense of
responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or
Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball
bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball
game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing,
CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports
that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior.
So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as
132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is
fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been
proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take
the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or
their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns haven't
killed ANYONE.
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Subject: | Re: It is time... |
From: | Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com> |
Sorry to jump in here as I am new to the mailing list...
I have a 560 and am trying to find the battery tray (last shop took it out
and "lost" mine). Additionally I'm trying to understand what you're looking
at doing with two G35s rather than the G50 battery...
Marcos
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Richard & Jacqui Thompson <
RnJThompson(at)aol.com> wrote:
> Jim & Moe,
>
> Whats the battery story?
>
> I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
>
> I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
> mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
> used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
>
> If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Addington
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Moe,
>
> I am not able to go but am glad you are.
>
> I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
> contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
> gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
> back bone to say yes.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe-rosspistons
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> *Folks,*
>
>
> *Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this
> week in **Phoenix**? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.*
>
>
> *Moe Mills*
>
> *N680RR*
>
> *Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award*
>
>
> *From:* Jim Addington
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
> in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
> going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
> do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
> the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
>
> Jim
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Feldtman
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> fyi ---
>
> State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
> Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
> universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
> faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
> and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
> training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
> because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
> CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
> everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no
> statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into
> irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university
> setting.
>
> This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
> anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
> state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
> to *SUPPORT HB 1893* on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
> supported by the bill sponsor.
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
>
> Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
> and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
> to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
> appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
> oneself.
>
>
> I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
> 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
> loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
> possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
> Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
> This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
> minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
> even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
> easier access to more lethal weapons.
>
>
> The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
> right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
> inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
> perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
> terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
> and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
> the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
> killed by them.
>
>
> You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
> yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
> answers, maybe only questions.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* nico css
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
> gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
> gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
> to be an instant sedative.
>
>
> You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
> other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country
> music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control,
> you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
> have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was
> so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
> cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
> It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
> no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
> were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
> you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
> the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
>
>
> I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
> how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
> all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
> figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
> this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
> was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
>
>
> Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
> neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
> pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
> 24 hours a day?
>
>
> Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
> get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
> anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
> dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
>
>
> Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
> their outhouse.
>
>
> It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've
> got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
>
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Robert Feldtman
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
> autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is
> NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that
> document.
> I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last
> three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
> The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
> carrying heat in the plane.
> bobf
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
>
>
> I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
> written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
> balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
> wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California?
> That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.)
>
> That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
> author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
> shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
> said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
> ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
> the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
> faxes.
>
> I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
> something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
> of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
> seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
>
> It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
> of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
> pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
> vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
> that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
> we're threatened.
>
> To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
> But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
> Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
> the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
> out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
> weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
> it.
>
> I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
> sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
> people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
> sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
> packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
> cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
> Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
>
> I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
> A little punchy.
>
> (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell
> little company I work for.)
>
> Please resume your regular programming.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>
>
> To:
>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
> fact,
> nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> Owens
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> -->
>
> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
> - Barack Obama
>
> History Unfolding
>
> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
> sharper focus.
>
> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
> within
> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>
> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>
>
> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>
>
> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
> is
> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was
> a
> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
> leaders.
> Apparently not.
>
> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
> economy. Why?
>
>
> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>
> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
> it
> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
> write
> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
> republic. To what purpose?
>
> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and
> I
> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>
> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
> about
> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
> Oh,
> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
> are more important.)
>
> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>
> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
>
> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
> pieces
> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>
> And that is only the beginning..
>
> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
> experience
> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
> it right now.
>
> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
> lot.
> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
> were
> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
> of
> course,
>
>
> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
> they voted for.
>
> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
> books.
>
> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
> into
> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>
> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
> and
> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
> just
> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>
> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
> me
> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
> transpiring around me..
>
> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
> perhaps
> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>
> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
> in
> the next elections.
>
> David Kaiser
>
> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>
> United States
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Subject: | Re: Past time... |
From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
I guarantee the liberal elitists, cap and trade thinking folks figure the
average joe six pack (although he might be a heart surgeon like me) doesn't
need a gas guzzling suburban, or twin commander! Only the chosen ones should
be allowed to fly in fancy cabin class jets (usually at the tax payers
expense - Pelosi?) so - enjoy as long as you/we can!
bobf
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM, L D GIROD wrote:
> Steve;
>
> There is a shooting school near Las Vegas, in California, (
> www.frontsight.com) that is one of the best in the business. The owner
> states that your first weapon of choice for self defense should be a rapid
> fire rifle or shotgun, a pistol due to its inaccuracy and lower firepower
> should only be considered for concealed carry purposes.
>
> I live three blocks from a police station, it still takes them twenty
> minutes to arrive, just in time to make out a police report. I truly
> believe my first and main line of defense for myself and my family is me.
>
> Would you all please stop saying we don't need a twin engine cabin class
> airplane, 'big brother' may be watching and reading this stuff and agree!
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve at Col-East
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 1:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
>
> John,
>
> Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation. Thank
> you for the informative post from a different perspective. This list has
> been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask questions from,
> people with very different perspectives. I know we'll never "just all get
> along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better aware and prepared for
> that than most would think. It's not a bad idea for anyone to stop and ask
> how they know that what they think is so, and you've provided some facts I
> didn't have. I'm no more or less moral than anybody, and I'm not the point.
> When people I come to respect feel passionately about something, even when
> they don't particularly care for me, I'm always interested to know why.
>
> I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire season
> out behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping projects watching
> our company's president launch instead. Responsibility sucks.
>
> S-
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* John Vormbaum
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Steve,
>
> I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want to
> blame someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't
> matter. As long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments in
> weaponry, we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding fathers
> weren't thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's revolver, to
> use your argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless ammunition weapons
> (which exist now, and although unrefined, offer unprecedented individual
> firepower) or the plasma rifles of science fiction. Increasing the lethality
> & simplicity of weapns is the human constant, ever since David discovered
> that a leather strap can do more than hold your pants up. The market will
> exist for the equipment regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all
> just get along" argument.
>
> My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same equipment
> that the people who can threaten me do. As far as availability, we already
> have exceptional laws on the books to prevent criminals from getting guns.
> They don't work. They never will. Just like the War on Drugs. Opiates are
> very tightly controlled, and we spend billions and billions every year to
> combat it; but you can still go to a street corner in any major American
> city and get what you want...cheaply and within a couple of minutes. Gun
> control will always remain ineffective, because it can't address the
> Remainder Problem: the 250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the
> US. It may work, for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK
> (notice it hasn't; gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans &
> voluntary turn-ins), but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
>
> As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still
> absorbed by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a
> killing. They're inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun
> shooting victims live if they're treated professionally within the first
> hour. I have a friend that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in the
> early '90s. It got to the point where they rarely went lights-and-sirens to
> a handgun shooting...there's no hurry. Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT
> designed to be more lethal. They're not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball
> ammo) is a far superior killer, and why the military is so fond of it. The
> sole purpose of a hollowpoint is to expand quickly and prevent
> overpenetration. You want to kill the bad guy in your house; you don't want
> the bullet going through 2 extra walls and hurting your children.
>
> In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round magazines
> or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people would have
> died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality high-speed reload
> practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever tried a laser sight on
> a handgun? There's a reason they're still curiosities, and largely unused.
> They respond to every bump of your heart and twitch of your muscles,
> multiplied by the distance. At 15' all you realize is how likely you are to
> miss. They're a distraction. You don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them
> for a reason.
>
> Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery slope. You
> DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we should limit
> everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high horsepower for a
> single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for neighborhoods, less damage to
> housing when they crash, and gee, you can still get the same enjoyment out
> of it.
>
> I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
> characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created a
> HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have come
> into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has decided that
> it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a felony; the legal
> system would collapse under its own weight, so they're making possession a
> "public nuisance" which would result in confiscation and a $100 fine. Talk
> about a self-defeating set of laws...
>
> Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
> firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
> contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
> appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
> draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
> has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
>
>
> It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always the small
weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to fly around in the
Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you
> photo/
> map with an ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real need"
for
>
> a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary means it should
be banned?The stories that DON'T make the (very liberal) papers are the ones
where a
> home invasion robbery is thwarted because one resident with a high-capacity
> high-rate-of-fire firearm was able to deter a gang of thugs from entering
> his home. No shots fired, no harm done, everyone safely at home that
> evening. Think he'd have done as well with the baseball bat? Or a 5-shot
> revolver?
>
> I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on the
> subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the higher
> moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it. But I'm a
> pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone easy to fill the
> camps with first.
>
> Now back to flying....
>
> /J
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> John,
>
> I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble with
> his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is the
> approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use one with
> care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted under the
> Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I don't want to
> disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is just 'benign
> appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like baseball bats and
> cars.
>
> A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there
> are some individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to
> themselves and occasionally society. But because of the vast number of
> toasters on the streets due to our fascination with making perfect toast,
> its all too easy for the criminal and the incompetent to gain access to
> increasingly powerful toasters. Because of the toaster's intended use and
> function, even in cases of tragic neglect or willful misuse the casualties
> remain low in number. Of course, a deranged or determined individual could
> probably kill one or two men with a toaster before being subdued.
> (Particularly with one of those old chrome jobbies.) Still, society at large
> doesn't view the vast number of toasters available as a particular threat,
> as it can be argued in the right hands other appliances could be just as
> lethal. Considering the hundreds of millions of kitchen appliances produced
> over the decades there have been surprisingly few documented cases mass
> murder.
>
> I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who
> intend harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were
> perpetrated with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that the
> guns used were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to acquire.
> The specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these weapons will
> just appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do anything about or
> should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did look up to see what
> firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also in Columbine and
> Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the reminders of personal
> tragedy and heroism is enough to break your heart.)
>
> At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
> Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
> bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta semi-auto
> pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and laser sighting.
> Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that has 52, 32 and 28
> round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I suppose my point is, how
> is it that these firearms are now becoming commonplace and easy to acquire?
> What justification is there to own such a thing? Now I know everyone will
> probably say they don't need a justification. It is their right to own such
> a weapon. I'm not yet prepared to say it isn't their right because of the
> constitutional implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is
> correct and responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
>
> I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree of
> risk to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to impose
> unjust laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything they want. I
> would submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible) that the
> exercising the right to by any firearm you feel like may have consequences
> not much thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an industry for
> them. So many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't keep guns out of
> the hands of the bad guys. But this seems to be ignoring the entire economy
> around such firearms. Who is making them, who is buying them, how are they
> getting to the streets. People can get off on owning these things, but they
> are supporting the manufacturing of increasingly lethal weapons which will
> be a around for generations.
>
> Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
> firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
> contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
> appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
> draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
> has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
>
> I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a conversation
> off list.
>
> P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than my
> shotgun.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Vormbaum
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology
> of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a
> muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But
> now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster.
> Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or
> eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired
> in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it
> isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we
> need easier access to more lethal weapons.
>
> Steve,
>
> The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior
> of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap
> that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100%
> illegal! That'll fix it!
>
> The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of
> technology. The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when
> they framed the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the
> genie back in the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance,
> still wouldn't stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted.
> The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill
> handguns. Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work
> out for the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than
> it was back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd
> Amendment would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible
> student at VT had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been
> killed, but one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and
> appropriate end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student
> might have just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT
> mobilized. What if the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers
> would have continued to circle and the local SWAT team would have continued
> to manage their "perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A
> well-prepared shooter could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If
> a legally armed teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as
> they started shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe
> none. I'm also aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense
> of responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense
> of responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued.
>
> Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or
> Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball
> bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball
> game."
>
> In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing,
> CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports
> that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior.
> So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as
> 132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy?
>
> Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
> there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
> killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing
> heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
>
>
> Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take the
knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or their
bare hands. You can't legislate
> human nature by taking the guns.
>
> /John
>
> PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns haven't
> killed ANYONE.
>
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From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Marcos,
John Towner has an STC to put two light weight gel cell batteries in the
500B, Shrike, and 500U. The batteries are not aircraft batteries but are
sealed and do not leak acid. They are bottom to bottom and are on their
side. He got the STC back when the FAA still had a few people with some
common since. And the back bone to say yes if it worked and was safe. John
has been using this STC for something like 10 or 15 years with no problems
and a lot of good things. The only difference in the 500B and the 500A are
the engines. Some of the "A" models went out the back door and were run back
in the front door and made in to "B" models. John sent me the STC and we
took it to the FAA here in Fort Worth and he would not approve it.
For the Battery tray try Dallas Air Salvage. Several years back they had two
or three Commanders.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcos Della
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Sorry to jump in here as I am new to the mailing list...
I have a 560 and am trying to find the battery tray (last shop took it out
and "lost" mine). Additionally I'm trying to understand what you're looking
at doing with two G35s rather than the G50 battery...
Marcos
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Richard & Jacqui Thompson
wrote:
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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Subject: | Re: It is time... |
From: | Robert Feldtman <bobf(at)feldtman.com> |
FAA is amazing in being Jurassic - I put a marine Odyssey battery in my
homebuilt and it is WAY better than any aviation battery I have used. Towne
r
is a smart guy.. If we love how the FAA does things......... (oh no, I won'
t
go back down that road)
bobf
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jim Addington wro
te:
> Marcos,
>
> John Towner has an STC to put two light weight gel cell batteries in the
> 500B, Shrike, and 500U. The batteries are not aircraft batteries but are
> sealed and do not leak acid. They are bottom to bottom and are on their
> side. He got the STC back when the FAA still had a few people with some
> common since. And the back bone to say yes if it worked and was safe. Joh
n
> has been using this STC for something like 10 or 15 years with no problem
s
> and a lot of good things. The only difference in the 500B and the 500A ar
e
> the engines. Some of the =93A=94 models went out the back door and were r
un back
> in the front door and made in to =93B=94 models. John sent me the STC and
we
> took it to the FAA here in Fort Worth and he would not approve it.
>
> For the Battery tray try Dallas Air Salvage. Several years back they had
> two or three Commanders.
>
> Jim A
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Marcos Della
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 5:34 PM
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Sorry to jump in here as I am new to the mailing list...
>
> I have a 560 and am trying to find the battery tray (last shop took it ou
t
> and "lost" mine). Additionally I'm trying to understand what you're look
ing
> at doing with two G35s rather than the G50 battery...
>
> Marcos
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Richard & Jacqui Thompson <
> RnJThompson(at)aol.com> wrote:
>
> Jim & Moe,
>
> Whats the battery story?
>
> I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighte
r.
>
> I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a servic
e
> mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models t
hey
> used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
>
> If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Addington
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Moe,
>
> I am not able to go but am glad you are.
>
> I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
> contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraf
t
> gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with eno
ugh
> back bone to say yes.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe-rosspistons
> *Sent:* Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> *Folks,*
>
>
> *Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this
> week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.*
>
>
> *Moe Mills*
>
> *N680RR*
>
> *Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award*
>
>
> *From:* Jim Addington
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increas
e
> in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
> going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you c
an
> do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are tell
ing
> the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
>
> Jim
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Feldtman
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> fyi ---
>
> State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
> Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
> universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult student
s,
> faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive st
ate
> and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
> training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
> because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus
.
> CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
> everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statisti
cal
> data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
> criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
>
> This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
> anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
> state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge t
hem
> to *SUPPORT HB 1893* on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
> supported by the bill sponsor.
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
>
> Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriat
e,
> and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only
had
> to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
> appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defen
d
> oneself.
>
>
> I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology o
f
> 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muz
zle
> loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it
is
> possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virgini
a
> Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven
?
> This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
> minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it is
n't
> even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
> easier access to more lethal weapons.
>
>
> The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does thi
s
> right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
> inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, ye
t
> perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe fro
m
> terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having e
asy
> and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while
at
> the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
> killed by them.
>
>
> You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
> yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't hav
e
> answers, maybe only questions.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* nico css
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
>
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is
a
> gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fix
ed,
> gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been pro
ven
> to be an instant sedative.
>
>
> You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
> other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country
> music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control
,
> you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all
you
> have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve W
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was
> so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
> cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal powe
r.
> It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, bu
t
> no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
> were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a Presiden
t
> you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic beca
use
> the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
>
>
> I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determini
ng
> how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder
if
> all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
> figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
> this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
> was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
>
>
> Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
> neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs,
the
> pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his hous
e
> 24 hours a day?
>
>
> Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come t
o
> get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-m
ade
> anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop
him
> dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
>
>
> Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in
> their outhouse.
>
>
> It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've g
ot
> the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
>
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Robert Feldtman
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own
> autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it
is
> NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that
> document.
> I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last
> three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
> The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to
> carrying heat in the plane.
> bobf
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
>
>
> I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
> written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
> balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not bein
g
> wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
> California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
> Baywatch.)
>
> That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
> author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy as
sed
> shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
> said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
> ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
> the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through
as
> faxes.
>
> I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
> something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes eviden
ce
> of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
> seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
>
> It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fea
r
> of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sour
ces
> pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
> vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everyth
ing
> that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear becaus
e
> we're threatened.
>
> To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people tak
e.
> But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out
of
> Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, i
f
> the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to o
pt
> out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
> weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you li
ke
> it.
>
> I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
> sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
> people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
> sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population
is
> packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
> cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
> Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
>
> I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a ro
w.
> A little punchy.
>
> (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell
> little company I work for.)
>
> Please resume your regular programming.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
>
>
> To:
>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
>
> As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
> fact,
> nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> Owens
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
>
> -->
>
> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I
> hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
> - Barack Obama
>
> History Unfolding
>
> I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
> history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
> history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
> large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
> mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
> single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
> sharper focus.
>
> Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
> know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it
..
> Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening
> within
> our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pa
ce
> has dramatically quickened in the past two.
>
> We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
> massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
>
>
> (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
> our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
>
>
> We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
> real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
> $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to who
m
> or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that
> is
> three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
> past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the term
s
> unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this wa
s
> a
> government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected
> leaders.
> Apparently not.
>
> We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
> economy. Why?
>
>
> We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and n
o
> longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we a
re
> worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
> read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketin
g,
> school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
>
> We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
> (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that
> it
> simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
> Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
> corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
> write
> laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
> groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
> republic. To what purpose?
>
> Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
> major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
> collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our enti
re
> government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college an
d
> I
> know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
> length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are
at
> war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
> same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
> children if they have the opportunity to do so.
>
> And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything abou
t,
> who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
> asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
> radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn
> about
> him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
> heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
> defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No?
> Oh,
> of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
> demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrob
e
> are more important.)
>
> Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
>
> I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am no
w.
>
> This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
> ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide u
s
> along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the
> pieces
> into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And wh
en
> it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
>
> And that is only the beginning..
>
> As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
> experience
> what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
> times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
> streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
> should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
> shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his w
ay
> onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" rea
d
> it right now.
>
> And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losin
g
> jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a
> lot.
> And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
> "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did
-
> regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttle
d
> economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surel
y
> he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department
by
> department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens
> were
> at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
> taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews
> of
> course,
>
>
> How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
> jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
> complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control
,
> health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-insti
ll
> pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
> did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
> the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
> they voted for.
>
> If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
> books.
>
> So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 an
d
> were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
> Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
> House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed
> into
> his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
> world came to regret that he was not listened to.
>
> Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured count
ry
> in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories,
> and
> universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than
> just
> two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
> killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, an
d
> neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
> The road to Hell is paved with them.
>
> As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I ha
ve
> a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell
> me
> (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
> shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
> wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
> transpiring around me..
>
> I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
> others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree,
> perhaps
> I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell the
m
> exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
>
> I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote
> in
> the next elections.
>
> David Kaiser
>
> Jamestown , Rhode Island
>
> United States
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From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Marcos, I meant to tell you don't hesitate to jump in here with a question
about your plane, that is what this site is all about.
Jim A
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
FAA is amazing in being Jurassic - I put a marine Odyssey battery in my
homebuilt and it is WAY better than any aviation battery I have used. Towner
is a smart guy.. If we love how the FAA does things......... (oh no, I won't
go back down that road)
bobf
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jim Addington
wrote:
Marcos,
John Towner has an STC to put two light weight gel cell batteries in the
500B, Shrike, and 500U. The batteries are not aircraft batteries but are
sealed and do not leak acid. They are bottom to bottom and are on their
side. He got the STC back when the FAA still had a few people with some
common since. And the back bone to say yes if it worked and was safe. John
has been using this STC for something like 10 or 15 years with no problems
and a lot of good things. The only difference in the 500B and the 500A are
the engines. Some of the "A" models went out the back door and were run back
in the front door and made in to "B" models. John sent me the STC and we
took it to the FAA here in Fort Worth and he would not approve it.
For the Battery tray try Dallas Air Salvage. Several years back they had two
or three Commanders.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcos Della
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Sorry to jump in here as I am new to the mailing list...
I have a 560 and am trying to find the battery tray (last shop took it out
and "lost" mine). Additionally I'm trying to understand what you're looking
at doing with two G35s rather than the G50 battery...
Marcos
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Richard & Jacqui Thompson
wrote:
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
-->
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
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From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave
me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings
so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success
to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular
batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It
was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I
remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got
until I gave up.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
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From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
Well Jim, I did go to Frontsight. I ordered their DVD. Ok, it looks
interesting. Edged weapons, martial arts, shooting, driving, and rock
climbing. What's not to like. Damn if it doesn't look like fun. I
protect and look after people with me with my life. Comfortable fighting
with hands, or even blunt weapons, but I'm screwed against someone
packing.
But if talk turns to politics I'd probably get myself shot. (Maybe I
could sneak off and write poems or something.)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
Steve, You are entitled to your opinion but it is my job to show you
the light so you will change your opinion.
I know I could not find it but there is an email going around that has
a dozen reasons in favor of the right to carry. The one that stands out
the most to me is the one that says " I don't carry a gun to shoot
someone, I carry to keep someone from shooting my granddaughter,
daughter, friends or me. Go to Frontsight.com. They can explain it far
better than I can.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:20 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
John,
Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation.
Thank you for the informative post from a different perspective. This
list has been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask
questions from, people with very different perspectives. I know we'll
never "just all get along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better
aware and prepared for that than most would think. It's not a bad idea
for anyone to stop and ask how they know that what they think is so, and
you've provided some facts I didn't have. I'm no more or less moral
than anybody, and I'm not the point. When people I come to respect feel
passionately about something, even when they don't particularly care for
me, I'm always interested to know why.
I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire
season out behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping
projects watching our company's president launch instead. Responsibility
sucks.
S-
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve,
I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want
to blame someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't
matter. As long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments
in weaponry, we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding
fathers weren't thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's
revolver, to use your argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless
ammunition weapons (which exist now, and although unrefined, offer
unprecedented individual firepower) or the plasma rifles of science
fiction. Increasing the lethality & simplicity of weapns is the human
constant, ever since David discovered that a leather strap can do more
than hold your pants up. The market will exist for the equipment
regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get along"
argument.
My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same
equipment that the people who can threaten me do. As far as
availability, we already have exceptional laws on the books to prevent
criminals from getting guns. They don't work. They never will. Just like
the War on Drugs. Opiates are very tightly controlled, and we spend
billions and billions every year to combat it; but you can still go to a
street corner in any major American city and get what you want...cheaply
and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will always remain
ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem: the
250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work,
for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it
hasn't; gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary
turn-ins), but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still
absorbed by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a
killing. They're inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun
shooting victims live if they're treated professionally within the first
hour. I have a friend that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in
the early '90s. It got to the point where they rarely went
lights-and-sirens to a handgun shooting...there's no hurry.
Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to be more lethal. They're
not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far superior killer, and
why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of a hollowpoint is
to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to kill the bad
guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2 extra walls
and hurting your children.
In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round
magazines or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people
would have died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality
high-speed reload practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever
tried a laser sight on a handgun? There's a reason they're still
curiosities, and largely unused. They respond to every bump of your
heart and twitch of your muscles, multiplied by the distance. At 15' all
you realize is how likely you are to miss. They're a distraction. You
don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them for a reason.
Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery
slope. You DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we
should limit everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high
horsepower for a single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for
neighborhoods, less damage to housing when they crash, and gee, you can
still get the same enjoyment out of it.
I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created
a HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have
come into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has
decided that it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a
felony; the legal system would collapse under its own weight, so they're
making possession a "public nuisance" which would result in confiscation
and a $100 fine. Talk about a self-defeating set of laws...
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust
for a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always
the small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to
fly around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map
with an ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real
need" for
a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary
means it should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very
liberal) papers are the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted
because one resident with a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was
able to deter a gang of thugs from entering his home. No shots fired, no
harm done, everyone safely at home that evening. Think he'd have done as
well with the baseball bat? Or a 5-shot revolver?
I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on
the subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the
higher moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it.
But I'm a pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone
easy to fill the camps with first.
Now back to flying....
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of
trouble with his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true,
but his is the approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no
doubt use one with care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as
granted under the Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken
away. I don't want to disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the
firearm is just 'benign appliance' that can be used properly or
improperly like baseball bats and cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there
are some individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to
themselves and occasionally society. But because of the vast number of
toasters on the streets due to our fascination with making perfect
toast, its all too easy for the criminal and the incompetent to gain
access to increasingly powerful toasters. Because of the toaster's
intended use and function, even in cases of tragic neglect or willful
misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of course, a deranged or
determined individual could probably kill one or two men with a toaster
before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old chrome
jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the
right hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the
hundreds of millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades
there have been surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people
who intend harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings
were perpetrated with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was
that the guns used were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy
to acquire. The specific problem I have I think is the attitude that
these weapons will just appear on streets in a process we are powerless
to do anything about or should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I
did look up to see what firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it
also in Columbine and Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and
the reminders of personal tragedy and heroism is enough to break your
heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta
semi-auto pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and
laser sighting. Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that
has 52, 32 and 28 round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I
suppose my point is, how is it that these firearms are now becoming
commonplace and easy to acquire? What justification is there to own such
a thing? Now I know everyone will probably say they don't need a
justification. It is their right to own such a weapon. I'm not yet
prepared to say it isn't their right because of the constitutional
implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is correct and
responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree
of risk to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to
impose unjust laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything
they want. I would submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible)
that the exercising the right to by any firearm you feel like may have
consequences not much thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an
industry for them. So many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't
keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. But this seems to be
ignoring the entire economy around such firearms. Who is making them,
who is buying them, how are they getting to the streets. People can get
off on owning these things, but they are supporting the manufacturing of
increasingly lethal weapons which will be a around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for
a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning
community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger
responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a
conversation off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than
my shotgun.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the
behavior of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate
logical leap that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's
make murder 100% illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of
technology. The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind
when they framed the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't
put the genie back in the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for
instance, still wouldn't stop a nutball from getting his hands on
anything he wanted. The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with a
couple of run-of-the-mill handguns. Carrying weapons on campus was
already illegal. How did that work out for the students that day? The
2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was back when it was first
put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment would have been more
clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT had his own
handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but one armed
student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate end,
and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized.
What if the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have
continued to circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to
manage their "perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A
well-prepared shooter could have taken many dozens more victims with
him. If a legally armed teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine
as soon as they started shooting, how many copycat shootings would have
ensued? Maybe none. I'm also aware of the other side of the issue; it
takes a strong sense of responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal
weapon. But the same sense of responsibility is assumed when a driver's
license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite
society." Or Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead
with a baseball bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from
driving to the ball game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is
increasing, CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me
some reports that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported
psychotic behavior. So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean
there might be as many as 132,000 people ready to snap and do something
crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely
because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and
demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might
also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use
knives. Take the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll
use rocks or their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by
taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns
haven't killed ANYONE.
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From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Jim,
It shouldn't be too much of a problem, down here most of the small
turbo-props have ditched NiCad's or lead acid wet batteries - big Gills, for
Hawker Energy cells, they are cheaper per unit, comparing like for like,
better starting current and capacity, and more starts per battery, and now
their use is spreading to smaller GA aircraft.
In something like a Metro, the weight saving is quite significant, and
nobody with a little turbo-prop wants hot starts from a geriatric battery.
One big Gill (AUD $1800) is replaced by 4 Hawker cells (AUD$ 800) and you
have all the other benefits, particularly the cool starts.
In my 500A, I will be using two 12V Hawker cells for the 24v system,
compared to the Gills that were there, about 50% more capacity, but given
the battery weights, it will be interesting when we weigh the aeroplane. All
I will need is our equivalent of a Form 337, but given the "approvals" of
the Hawker Energy cells, you might not have to, it is almost "substituting
brands".
I use a "worn out" ex-Metro one for my 12v soldering iron, an added bonus of
"free" power.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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From: | Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I would be interested in the paperwork for sure. I'm about due for a batter
y.
Roland Gilliam (AC 500 6291B)
From: RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Date: Tue=2C 12 May 2009 07:59:50 +1000
Jim & Moe=2C
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models the
y used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday=2C 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe=2C
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his conta
cts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell
cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough bac
k bone to say yes.
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday=2C May 11=2C 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks=2C
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday=2C May 10=2C 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city=2C state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increas
e in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it=2C plus=2C you know better what you
can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are t
elling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman
Sent: Sunday=2C May 10=2C 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun L
icensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and unive
rsities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students=2C fa
culty=2C staff and visitors who are 21 or older=2C who pass an extensive st
ate and federal criminal records check=2C and who complete a rigorous handg
un training course=2C should not be denied their right to self-defense simp
ly because they study=2C live=2C work on or visit a college or university c
ampus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually e
verywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years=2C and there is no statistic
al data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible c
riminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year=2C before the an
ti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the stat
e level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to
SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not suppor
ted by the bill sponsor.
On Sat=2C May 9=2C 2009 at 11:47 AM=2C Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate
=2C and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have onl
y had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It
is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably def
end oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents=2C one man with a muz
zle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now
it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Vir
ginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13=2C Alabama was 10 or
eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired
in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it i
sn't even registering=2C or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we
need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico=2C is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms=2C does t
his right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completel
y inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights=2C
yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe f
rom terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again=2C maybe. Havi
ng easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer
=2C while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood
of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special=2C or maybe defend
yourself=2C but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't hav
e answers=2C maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
Sent: Saturday=2C May 09=2C 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on=2C Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is
a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor=2C a killing is f
ixed=2C gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has be
en proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through ot
her means=2C even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music
=2C if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control=2C y
ou never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday=2C May 09=2C 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was s
o odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheer
leading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's
a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe=2C but no
one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were
set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you
like=2C allow him to bypass rule of law and courts=2C and then panic becaus
e the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder i
f all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many=2C and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my n
eighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs=2C t
he pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his hou
se 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first=2C I've been mixing up home-m
ade anthrax=2C with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to s
top him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in thei
r outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
Sent: Friday=2C May 08=2C 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonom
y - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document
.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last thre
e months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carryin
g heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri=2C May 8=2C 2009 at 6:05 PM=2C Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had writt
en a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced
one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. T
hey are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? Th
at's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion=2C anger and fear=3B and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy ass
ed shit being said on all sides=2C but hardly anyone seems to care if what
is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left abou
t ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through
as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing somethi
ng they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an
evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize pow
er and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss=2C fear for safety=2C and the constant warnings now from so many so
urces pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder=2C are pilots as a class
more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice eve
rything that's best about us=2C pervert my values and live in perpetual fea
r because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really=2C really stupid ideas and opt out
of Federal laws and programs=2C I think they should be allowed to. Like no
w=2C if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and wan
t to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys=2C and aut
omatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if y
ou like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibi
lities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people wer
e spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With yo
u people breeding like rabbits=2C too much of the population is packed toge
ther like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities=2C and
I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in
the sticks=2C I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell littl
e company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday=2C May 07=2C 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this=2C alas=2C it wasn't written by Kaiser. In
fact=2C
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday=2C May 06=2C 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends=2C we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally=2C I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages=2C and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot=2C and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis=2C or a
mortgage crisis=2C or a credit crisis. Yes these exist=2C but they are mere
ly
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels=2C smells=2C what it looks like=2C and how people react t
o it..
Yes=2C a perfect storm may be brewing=2C but there is something happening w
ithin
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below=2C I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy=2C and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve=2C which has little or no
real oversight by anyone=2C has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2=2C000=2C000=2C000=2C000) over the past few months=2C but will not tell u
s to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that i
s
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was
a
government of "we the people=2C" who loaned our powers to our elected leade
rs.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools=2C ignored our history=2C and
no
longer teach our founding documents=2C why we are exceptional=2C and why we
are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write=2C think critically=2C
read=2C or articulate. Parents are not revolting=2C teachers are not picket
ing=2C
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that i
t
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to writ
e
laws that radically change our way of life=2C and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing=2C housing prices are in free fall
=2C
major industries are failing=2C our banking system is on the verge of
collapse=2C social security is nearly bankrupt=2C as is medicare and our en
tire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and
I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length=2C breadth=2C and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we ar
e at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion=2C who=2C in turn=2C cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally=2C we have elected a man that no one really knows anything abou
t=2C
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen=2C let alone a town as big
asWasilla=2C Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment=2C and everything we learn ab
out
him=2C drip by drip=2C is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you hav
e
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh
=2C
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150=2C000 wardrob
e
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together=2C something he has never
=2C
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment=2C Obama will divide u
s
along philosophical lines=2C push us apart=2C and then try to realign the p
ieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes=2C you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history=2C I thought I would never come to experie
nce
what the ordinary=2C moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times=2C the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets=2C about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted=2C
shoved=2C and pushed around people with whom they disagreed=3B he edged his
way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough=2C people were losin
g
jobs=2C and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a l
ot.
And people=2C even newspapers=2C were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then=2C he was duly elected to office=2C while a full-thrott
led
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly=2C but surel
y
he seized the controls of government power=2C person by person=2C departmen
t by
department=2C bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens w
ere
at first=2C encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later=2C they were required to do so. No Jews
of
course=2C
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless=2C money to the money-less=2C and rewards for the military-industri
al
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children=2C advocating gun control
=2C
health care for all=2C better wages=2C better jobs=2C and promising to re-i
nstill
pride once again in the country=2C across Europe =2C and across the world.
He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating=2C look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down=2C called names=2C laughed at=2C and ridiculed. WhenWinst
on
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister)=2C he was booed i
nto
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right=2C though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated=2C the most cultured count
ry
in Europe . It was full of music=2C art=2C museums=2C hospitals=2C laborato
ries=2C and
universities. And yet=2C in less than six years (a shorter time span than j
ust
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens=2C
killing others=2C abrogating its laws=2C turning children against parents
=2C and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions=2C of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker=2C one not overly prone to emotional decisions=2C I
have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell m
e
(even if they make me cringe with disgust)=3B I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades=3B or I can hope I am
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From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Jim,
Re. the last message, the batteries we are using in multiples, in US is the
Hawker Gates Genesis, 12v 16 A/hr, they run around US$ 95 a piece.
For an AC 500 with a 12v system, the cranking amps available from one of
the larger 12v, such as the 42 A/hr one, will give better starting
performance than a conventional Gill or Concorde wet battery.
One of the very useful things about these units is that they can be
transported by air, no dangerous goods limitations.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Thanks bill I will look into that.
Jim
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Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim,
It shouldn't be too much of a problem, down here most of the small
turbo-props have ditched NiCad's or lead acid wet batteries - big Gills, for
Hawker Energy cells, they are cheaper per unit, comparing like for like,
better starting current and capacity, and more starts per battery, and now
their use is spreading to smaller GA aircraft.
In something like a Metro, the weight saving is quite significant, and
nobody with a little turbo-prop wants hot starts from a geriatric battery.
One big Gill (AUD $1800) is replaced by 4 Hawker cells (AUD$ 800) and you
have all the other benefits, particularly the cool starts.
In my 500A, I will be using two 12V Hawker cells for the 24v system,
compared to the Gills that were there, about 50% more capacity, but given
the battery weights, it will be interesting when we weigh the aeroplane. All
I will need is our equivalent of a Form 337, but given the "approvals" of
the Hawker Energy cells, you might not have to, it is almost "substituting
brands".
I use a "worn out" ex-Metro one for my 12v soldering iron, an added bonus of
"free" power.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
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