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May 12, 2009 - May 27, 2009
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
| From: | nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Thanks again, I will look into that.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim,
Re. the last message, the batteries we are using in multiples, in US is the
Hawker Gates Genesis, 12v 16 A/hr, they run around US$ 95 a piece.
For an AC 500 with a 12v system, the cranking amps available from one of
the larger 12v, such as the 42 A/hr one, will give better starting
performance than a conventional Gill or Concorde wet battery.
One of the very useful things about these units is that they can be
transported by air, no dangerous goods limitations.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
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From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
They put out a lot of self advertising but they put out a lot of good
information too. I wouldlike to go to their school some time, but don't know
when.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Frontsight
Well Jim, I did go to Frontsight. I ordered their DVD. Ok, it looks
interesting. Edged weapons, martial arts, shooting, driving, and rock
climbing. What's not to like. Damn if it doesn't look like fun. I protect
and look after people with me with my life. Comfortable fighting with hands,
or even blunt weapons, but I'm screwed against someone packing.
But if talk turns to politics I'd probably get myself shot. (Maybe I could
sneak off and write poems or something.)
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:17 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
Steve, You are entitled to your opinion but it is my job to show you the
light so you will change your opinion.
I know I could not find it but there is an email going around that has a
dozen reasons in favor of the right to carry. The one that stands out the
most to me is the one that says " I don't carry a gun to shoot someone, I
carry to keep someone from shooting my granddaughter, daughter, friends or
me. Go to Frontsight.com. They can explain it far better than I can.
Jim A
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Col-East
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Past time...
John,
Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation. Thank
you for the informative post from a different perspective. This list has
been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask questions from,
people with very different perspectives. I know we'll never "just all get
along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better aware and prepared for
that than most would think. It's not a bad idea for anyone to stop and ask
how they know that what they think is so, and you've provided some facts I
didn't have. I'm no more or less moral than anybody, and I'm not the point.
When people I come to respect feel passionately about something, even when
they don't particularly care for me, I'm always interested to know why.
I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire season out
behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping projects watching our
company's president launch instead. Responsibility sucks.
S-
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve,
I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want to blame
someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't matter. As
long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments in weaponry,
we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding fathers weren't
thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's revolver, to use your
argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless ammunition weapons (which
exist now, and although unrefined, offer unprecedented individual firepower)
or the plasma rifles of science fiction. Increasing the lethality &
simplicity of weapns is the human constant, ever since David discovered that
a leather strap can do more than hold your pants up. The market will exist
for the equipment regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get
along" argument.
My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same equipment that
the people who can threaten me do. As far as availability, we already have
exceptional laws on the books to prevent criminals from getting guns. They
don't work. They never will. Just like the War on Drugs. Opiates are very
tightly controlled, and we spend billions and billions every year to combat
it; but you can still go to a street corner in any major American city and
get what you want...cheaply and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will
always remain ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem:
the 250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work,
for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it hasn't;
gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary turn-ins),
but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia.
As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still absorbed
by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a killing. They're
inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun shooting victims live
if they're treated professionally within the first hour. I have a friend
that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in the early '90s. It got to
the point where they rarely went lights-and-sirens to a handgun
shooting...there's no hurry. Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to
be more lethal. They're not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far
superior killer, and why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of
a hollowpoint is to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to
kill the bad guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2
extra walls and hurting your children.
In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round magazines
or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people would have
died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality high-speed reload
practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever tried a laser sight on
a handgun? There's a reason they're still curiosities, and largely unused.
They respond to every bump of your heart and twitch of your muscles,
multiplied by the distance. At 15' all you realize is how likely you are to
miss. They're a distraction. You don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them
for a reason.
Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery slope. You
DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we should limit
everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high horsepower for a
single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for neighborhoods, less damage to
housing when they crash, and gee, you can still get the same enjoyment out
of it.
I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by
characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created a
HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have come
into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has decided that
it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a felony; the legal
system would collapse under its own weight, so they're making possession a
"public nuisance" which would result in confiscation and a $100 fine. Talk
about a self-defeating set of laws...
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always the
small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to fly
around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map with an
ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real need" for
a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary means it
should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very liberal) papers are
the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted because one resident with
a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was able to deter a gang of thugs
from entering his home. No shots fired, no harm done, everyone safely at
home that evening. Think he'd have done as well with the baseball bat? Or a
5-shot revolver?
I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on the
subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the higher
moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it. But I'm a
pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone easy to fill the
camps with first.
Now back to flying....
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
John,
I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble with
his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is the
approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use one with
care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted under the
Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I don't want to
disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is just 'benign
appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like baseball bats and
cars.
A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there are some
individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to themselves and
occasionally society. But because of the vast number of toasters on the
streets due to our fascination with making perfect toast, its all too easy
for the criminal and the incompetent to gain access to increasingly powerful
toasters. Because of the toaster's intended use and function, even in cases
of tragic neglect or willful misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of
course, a deranged or determined individual could probably kill one or two
men with a toaster before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old
chrome jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of
toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the right
hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the hundreds of
millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades there have been
surprisingly few documented cases mass murder.
I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who intend
harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were perpetrated
with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that the guns used
were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to acquire. The
specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these weapons will just
appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do anything about or
should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did look up to see what
firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also in Columbine and
Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the reminders of personal
tragedy and heroism is enough to break your heart.)
At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a
Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a
bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta semi-auto
pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and laser sighting.
Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that has 52, 32 and 28
round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I suppose my point is, how
is it that these firearms are now becoming commonplace and easy to acquire?
What justification is there to own such a thing? Now I know everyone will
probably say they don't need a justification. It is their right to own such
a weapon. I'm not yet prepared to say it isn't their right because of the
constitutional implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is
correct and responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm.
I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree of risk
to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to impose unjust
laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything they want. I would
submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible) that the exercising
the right to by any firearm you feel like may have consequences not much
thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an industry for them. So
many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't keep guns out of the hands
of the bad guys. But this seems to be ignoring the entire economy around
such firearms. Who is making them, who is buying them, how are they getting
to the streets. People can get off on owning these things, but they are
supporting the manufacturing of increasingly lethal weapons which will be a
around for generations.
Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a
firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for
contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal
appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with
draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community
has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility.
I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a conversation
off list.
P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than my
shotgun.
Steve
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From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
Steve,
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior
of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap
that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100%
illegal! That'll fix it!
The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of technology.
The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when they framed
the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the genie back in
the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance, still wouldn't
stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted. The Virginia
Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill handguns.
Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work out for
the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was
back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment
would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT
had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but
one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate
end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have
just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized. What if
the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have continued to
circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to manage their
"perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A well-prepared shooter
could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If a legally armed
teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as they started
shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe none. I'm also
aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense of
responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense of
responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued.
Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or
Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball
bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball
game."
In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing,
CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports
that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior.
So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as
132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy?
Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there
is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is
fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been
proven to be an instant sedative.
Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take
the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or
their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking the guns.
/John
PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. Incidentally, my guns haven't
killed ANYONE.
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the
real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys
have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the
Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave
me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings
so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success
to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular
batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It
was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I
remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got
until I gave up.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| Subject: | Aero Commander - Winglets... |
| From: | Marcos Della <mdella(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list
:-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
setup/STC/whatever for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for
a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be
considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the
real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys
have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the
Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave
me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings
so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success
to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular
batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It
was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I
remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got
until I gave up.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as w
ell please!
Craig
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote:
From: Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list
:-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commande
r?- That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever
for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for
a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be consi
dered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
Hi Marcos,
Of the 80 Model 560s built, I haven't traced any that have had winglets
installed.
Commander Aero, in Dayton, Ohio (http://www.commander-aero.com/) have
three STC's for winglets:
SA1359GL covers Models 520, 560 & 560A (All T.C. 6A1 Models) & 680,
680T, 680V, 680W, 681, 685, 690, 690A & 690B (All T.C. 2A4 Models).
SA1381GL covers Models 680E, 720, 560F, 680F, 680FL & 680FLP (All T.C.
2A4 Models).
SA1158GL covers Models 500, 500A, 500B, 500U & 500S (All T.C. 6A1
Models).
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
(Aero Commander historian)
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcos Della
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing
list :-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
setup/STC/whatever for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have
been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that
might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
Marcos;
Sometimes this is a health list, you know, whatever gets the blood
pressure raising!
I have a 560E that has winglets on it, they were on it when I purchased
the airplane, so cannot give you any performance figures. They do
include strobes in the wingtip and besides, I think they look especially
cool.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcos Della
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:51 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing
list :-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
setup/STC/whatever for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have
been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that
might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| From: | "Steve at Col-East" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable
service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country.....
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and
the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy
attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up
most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion
gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the
Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried
without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of
its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would
make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the
details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do
it" responses I got until I gave up.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
& Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something
lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a
service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the
models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12
aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have
anyone with enough back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this
week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big
increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it
you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know
better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no
guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed
Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public
colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones.
Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who
pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who
complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their
right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit
a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying
handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a
dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they
would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed
to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge
them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments
not supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does
this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe
defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I
don't have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
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From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be
packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why
it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger
and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed
in their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's
own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and
white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all
re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the
last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly
begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back
to carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico
had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and
well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe
not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New
England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the
Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the
real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such
crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to
care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of
the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue
when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that
was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks
in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books
on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are
merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years.
The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks
make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that
is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us
to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought
this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing
our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one
woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And
we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people
of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with
real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000
wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as
I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has
never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign
the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming.
And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to
experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from
the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What
they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so.
No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to
the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun
control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this
all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the
history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in
1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was
booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span
than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of
course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what
is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff
at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
hehehe. Thanks, Steve. I always knew you were a very considerate guy.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service
the ACLU lawyers perform for our country.....
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the
real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys
have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the
Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave
me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings
so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success
to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular
batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It
was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I
remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got
until I gave up.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and come
see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more harm to
this country than can ever be corrected.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service
the ACLU lawyers perform for our country.....
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the
real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys
have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the
Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave
me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings
so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success
to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular
batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It
was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I
remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got
until I gave up.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | Aero Commander - Winglets... |
I got both done at the same time on my 500S and together they got me 10
knots extra TAS
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2009 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as
well please!
Craig
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote:
From: Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list
:-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
setup/STC/whatever for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for
a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be
considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| From: | "Steve W" <steve2(at)sover.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
It was a joke Jim. And you shouldn't bring a baseball bat to a gun
fight. But when you do come with the posse, do me a favor and approach
the house slowly. We'll first be using the 2" potato canon because I
don't want to hurt anyone. This thing takes a really long time to
reload.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and
come see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more
harm to this country than can ever be corrected.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable
service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country.....
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and
the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy
attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up
most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a
Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it
cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before.
I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or
even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the
sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have
some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be
done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a
general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it
seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
& Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something
lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a
service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the
models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost
his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12
aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have
anyone with enough back bone to say yes.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention
this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big
increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it
you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know
better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no
guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed
Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public
colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones.
Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who
pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who
complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their
right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit
a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying
handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a
dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they
would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed
to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before
the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to
the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and
urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any
amendments not supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms,
does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe
defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I
don't have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be
packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why
it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger
and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing
weed in their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's
own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and
white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all
re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in
the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus
quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back
to carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W
wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And
Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart
and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys
maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And
New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of
the Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and
the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is
such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems
to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch
of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming
issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap
that was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many
weeks in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS".
Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of
the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15
books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they
are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen
years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our
banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars
(that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell
us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I
thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally
de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and
one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...
And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending
people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are
with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and
$150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children
as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he
has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to
realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come
to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser
from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing.
What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do
so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs
to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating
gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did
this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in
the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected
in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he
was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time
span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions,
of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring
what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will
scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Steve, I hope you took what I said as a joke about coming over, I do believe
the ACLU has hone this country harm.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
It was a joke Jim. And you shouldn't bring a baseball bat to a gun fight.
But when you do come with the posse, do me a favor and approach the house
slowly. We'll first be using the 2" potato canon because I don't want to
hurt anyone. This thing takes a really long time to reload.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and come
see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more harm to
this country than can ever be corrected.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service
the ACLU lawyers perform for our country.....
----- Original Message -----
From: nico <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> css
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the
real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys
have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the
Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave
me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings
so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success
to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular
batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It
was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I
remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got
until I gave up.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general
provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me
that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard &
Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service
mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they
used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his
contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft
gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough
back bone to say yes.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week
in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase
in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not
going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can
do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling
the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun
Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and
universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students,
faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state
and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun
training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply
because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus.
CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually
everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical
data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible
criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the
anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the
state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them
to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not
supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate,
and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had
to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is
appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend
oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of
'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle
loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is
possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia
Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven?
This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in
minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't
even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need
easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this
right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely
inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet
perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from
terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy
and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at
the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being
killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend
yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have
answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a
gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed,
gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven
to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through
other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music,
if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you
never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you
have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so
odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives
cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power.
It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but
no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules
were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President
you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because
the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining
how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if
all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks
figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time
this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it
was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my
neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the
pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house
24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to
get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made
anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him
dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their
outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got
the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert <mailto:bobf(at)feldtman.com> Feldtman
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy
- except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a
living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three
months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying
heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had
written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well
balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being
wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and
California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with
Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real
author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed
shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is
said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about
ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn
the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as
faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing
something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence
of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will
seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear
of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources
pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more
vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything
that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because
we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take.
But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of
Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if
the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt
out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic
weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like
it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural
sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and
people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more
sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is
packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in
cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them.
Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row.
A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little
company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
Bill,
Thanks. My 680Fp came with a NiCad battery and was changed to a lead
acid battery. In reading the early log books it appears that the NiCad
was very problematic.
Moe
From: Steve W
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
It was a joke Jim. And you shouldn't bring a baseball bat to a gun
fight. But when you do come with the posse, do me a favor and approach
the house slowly. We'll first be using the 2" potato canon because I
don't want to hurt anyone. This thing takes a really long time to
reload.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and
come see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more
harm to this country than can ever be corrected.
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable
service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country.....
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and
the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy
attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up
most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a
Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it
cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before.
I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or
even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the
sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have
some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be
done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Bill,
I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with.
Jim A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a
general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it
seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval.
About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
& Jacqui Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something
lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a
service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the
models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost
his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12
aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have
anyone with enough back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention
this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big
increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it
you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know
better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no
guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed
Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public
colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones.
Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who
pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who
complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their
right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit
a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying
handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a
dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they
would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed
to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before
the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to
the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and
urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any
amendments not supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms,
does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe
defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I
don't have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be
packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why
it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger
and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing
weed in their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's
own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and
white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all
re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in
the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus
quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back
to carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W
wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And
Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart
and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys
maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And
New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of
the Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and
the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is
such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems
to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch
of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming
issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap
that was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many
weeks in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS".
Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of
the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15
books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they
are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen
years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our
banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars
(that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell
us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I
thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally
de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and
one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...
And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending
people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are
with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and
$150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children
as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he
has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to
realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come
to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser
from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing.
What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do
so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs
to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating
gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did
this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in
the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected
in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he
was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time
span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions,
of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring
what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will
scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
I had both the flap gap seals and winglets done at the same time. The
flap gap seals will increase your take off roll (as I remember about 150
feet). One sage told me that if the winglets were to be installed then
the flap gap seals were a must as they would make up for the loss in
airspeed that the winglets would cause. This seems about right. Having
said this, if I had it to do over again I would have both installed
because the winglets sure do improve the ramp presence of the plane.
They are so cool that you almost don't notice that a large portion of
the paint job is missing.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
Proud holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: David Fitzgerald
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
I got both done at the same time on my 500S and together they got me 10
knots extra TAS
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2009 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap
seals as well please!
Craig
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote:
From: Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite
mailing list :-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
setup/STC/whatever for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have
been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that
might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Winglets look great, but an no performance gain, maybe a very small loss.? I have
them on my Commander 680E and love the way they look.? Gap seals on the other
hand do work as advertised.? The will improve the cruse about 3-5 kts.? The
down side is they hurt the short field performance some, noticeably.? I would
still install them.? Even from the short (1700) fields I fly from, the airplanes
work fine.? What model 560 do you fly??? I am not certain that either upgrade
is available on the straight 560.? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:00 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as well
please!
Craig
--- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote:
From: Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM
Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-)
Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander??
That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification...
I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple
of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual
for the older Aero Commanders...
Marcos
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
| From: | white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com |
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the large
(very expensive) G-50C.? There is an old Commander?service letter (#52), from
1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry.? I found this gem about
2 months after I replaced the G-50C?($750.00) IN MY OWN AIRPLANE!!!!!!? Oh
well.? If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.? The substitution of
PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log entry.? jb
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| From: | wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
JB,
I would appreciate a copy, please.
I have a AC 500A, a copy of the service letter could prove very useful.
eMail would be the easy way to send it, or let me know if you want to post a copy.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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> yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
HI KIDS.
There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the large
(very
expensive) G-50C.? There is an old Commander?service letter (#52), from 1962, that
allows
that change with only a logbook entry.? I found this gem about 2 months after I
replaced the
G-50C?($750.00) IN MY OWN AIRPLANE!!!!!!? Oh well.? If you are a TCFG member, I
will get you
a copy.? The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond
a log entry.?
jb
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| Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
| From: | Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com> |
Well I could use a copy. I'm trying to replace the tray at the moment while
rebuilding the instrument panel and some other avionics. Being able to put
in two 12V in series rather than a single 28V would be nice.... Also to see
what was done to secure the batteries
mrd
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, wrote:
> HI KIDS.
> There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the
> large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service letter
> (#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry. I
> found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C ($750.00) IN MY OWN
> AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.
> The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log
> entry. jb
> ------------------------------
> We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will
> you find? Explore *WhereItsAt.com*<http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000001>
> .
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> *
>
> *
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
| From: | Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com> |
Just spent some time on the phone the last few days. Turns out that the 680
winglet modification has the same setup for the 560 (and the STC covers the
560 although apparently none have ever been installed). As for the gap
seals, it turns out they had a typo on the STC when it went for improvement
(it had the 560A,B,F I think) but forgot to put the 560 straight. They are
in the process of checking with the authorizing office to see if this was a
mistake or intent (again, since no one has asked for the 560s it never came
up before as far as they knew).
Just my luck eh?
Anyway, turns out that one without the other doesn't sound like a good
combination so I'm waiting for then to talk to the FSDO as well to see if a
337 for the gap seals will be covered or if its going to be a long paperwork
trail to do...
Apparently there is no difference between the 560 and 560A wings when it
comes to the gap seals, where they mount, etc.
sigh
Marcos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM, wrote:
> Winglets look great, but an no performance gain, maybe a very small loss.
> I have them on my Commander 680E and love the way they look. Gap seals on
> the other hand do work as advertised. The will improve the cruse about 3-5
> kts. The down side is they hurt the short field performance some,
> noticeably. I would still install them. Even from the short (1700) fields
> I fly from, the airplanes work fine. What model 560 do you fly?? I am not
> certain that either upgrade is available on the straight 560. jb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:00 am
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
>
> If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals
> as well please!
>
> Craig
>
> --- On *Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della * wrote:
>
> From: Marcos Della <mdella(at)gmail.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM
>
> Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list
> :-)
>
> Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
> Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
> setup/STC/whatever for justification...
>
> I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for
> a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be
> considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
>
> Marcos
>
> *htt -->
>
> <http://forums.matro==========/>*
>
>
> ------------------------------
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I have the roll out tray
Harry
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcos Della
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Sorry to jump in here as I am new to the mailing list...
I have a 560 and am trying to find the battery tray (last shop took it
out and "lost" mine). Additionally I'm trying to understand what you're
looking at doing with two G35s rather than the G50 battery...
Marcos
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Richard & Jacqui Thompson
wrote:
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something
lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a
service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the
models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost
his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12
aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have
anyone with enough back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention
this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big
increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it
you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know
better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no
guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed
Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public
colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones.
Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who
pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who
complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their
right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit
a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying
handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a
dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they
would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed
to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before
the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to
the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and
urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any
amendments not supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms,
does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe
defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I
don't have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be
packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why
it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger
and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing
weed in their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's
own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and
white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all
re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in
the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus
quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back
to carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W
wrote:
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And
Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart
and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys
maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And
New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of
the Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and
the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is
such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems
to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch
of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming
issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap
that was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many
weeks in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS".
Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
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"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of
the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15
books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they
are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen
years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our
banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars
(that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell
us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I
thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally
de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and
one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...
And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending
people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are
with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and
$150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children
as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he
has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to
realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come
to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser
from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing.
What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do
so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs
to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating
gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did
this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in
the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected
in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he
was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time
span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions,
of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring
what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will
scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo(at)cfl.rr.com> |
I have one
harry
321 267-3141
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo(at)cfl.rr.com> |
I can not post a message
Harry
321 267-3141
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| Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
| From: | lloyd SILVERMAN <lloydsss(at)gmail.com> |
*if you have service bulletin #52 i would greatly appreciate a copy .
thanks,lloyd email to lloydsss(at)gmail.com or fax # 914 667 2221*
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM, wrote:
> HI KIDS.
> There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the
> large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service letter
> (#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry. I
> found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C ($750.00) IN MY OWN
> AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.
> The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log
> entry. jb
> ------------------------------
> We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will
> you find? Explore *WhereItsAt.com*<http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000001>
> .
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
LLOYD
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| From: | "L D GIROD" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
Harry;
I am getting your messages.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Merritt
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help
I can not post a message
Harry
321 267-3141
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| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hey Harry,
Getting you loud and clear right here downunder!
Cheers
Russell
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo(at)cfl.rr.com> |
thanks
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: L D GIROD
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help
Harry;
I am getting your messages.
Don
----- Original Message -----
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To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help
I can not post a message
Harry
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| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
JB,
Please send me a copy of old Commander service letter # 52.
moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Thanks!
Moe Mills
Member in Good Standing & Proud Holder of The
Golden Pedal Award.
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 2 12V BATTERIES
HI KIDS.
There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of
the large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service
letter (#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook
entry. I found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C
($750.00) IN MY OWN AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member,
I will get you a copy. The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not
require anything beyond a log entry. jb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will
you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.
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| From: | "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
http://www.batterymart.com/p-hawker-sbs-J16-aircraft-battery.html
Folks,
The above shows a Hawker Odyssey battery described as an "aircraft battery",
they are similar to the Hawker Genesis we mostly use down here.
Seems to me that a conversion from old fashioned Gill/Concorde wet lead acid
shouldn't be too much problem.
There are a string of STCs for the more "up market" 24 volt Hawker batteries
for Commanders, 680/690, but they are probably priced similarly to the
dinosaur batteries.
CASA ( Campaign Against Sustainable Aviation) in Australia is generally
regarded as far more difficult to get along with, compared to FAA, so a 337
conversion should not represent too much of a problem, with a copy of SL 52
in hand, and the price/performance/life/zero-zilch-nil maintenance is very
attractive.
Two 12v Genesis as above will run maybe $300, two of the above around $300.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2 12V BATTERIES
JB,
Please send me a copy of old Commander service letter # 52.
moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Thanks!
Moe Mills
Member in Good Standing & Proud Holder of The
Golden Pedal Award.
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 2 12V BATTERIES
HI KIDS.
There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the
large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service letter
(#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry. I
found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C ($750.00) IN MY OWN
AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.
The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log
entry. jb
_____
We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you
find? Explore <http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000001>
WhereItsAt.com.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| Subject: | Winglets for Straight 560 |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Folks,
Commander Aero has the necessary approval for fitting Aerodyne Winglets to
the Straight 560 model.
As recently as last year they fitted a set to a much modified Straight 560.
Visit their website or contact Gary Kromer.
Cheers
Russell
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
All=2C Please be advisd that N70QT (formerlly 2001M) 680Fp w/ MrRPM convers
ion=2C is for sale. If interested please contact me at 817-877-4977 or mob
817-517-4977. Mason
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Bill, is that CASA business an activist group bent on sabotaging aviation?
Their name sounds ambiguous.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2 12V BATTERIES
http://www.batterymart.com/p-hawker-sbs-J16-aircraft-battery.html
Folks,
The above shows a Hawker Odyssey battery described as an "aircraft battery",
they are similar to the Hawker Genesis we mostly use down here.
Seems to me that a conversion from old fashioned Gill/Concorde wet lead acid
shouldn't be too much problem.
There are a string of STCs for the more "up market" 24 volt Hawker batteries
for Commanders, 680/690, but they are probably priced similarly to the
dinosaur batteries.
CASA ( Campaign Against Sustainable Aviation) in Australia is generally
regarded as far more difficult to get along with, compared to FAA, so a 337
conversion should not represent too much of a problem, with a copy of SL 52
in hand, and the price/performance/life/zero-zilch-nil maintenance is very
attractive.
Two 12v Genesis as above will run maybe $300, two of the above around $300.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 2 12V BATTERIES
JB,
Please send me a copy of old Commander service letter # 52.
moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Thanks!
Moe Mills
Member in Good Standing & Proud Holder of The
Golden Pedal Award.
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 2 12V BATTERIES
HI KIDS.
There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the
large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service letter
(#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry. I
found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C ($750.00) IN MY OWN
AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.
The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log
entry. jb
_____
We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you
find? Explore <http://www.whereitsat.com/?ncid=emlwenew00000001>
WhereItsAt.com.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
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| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
MC, Are you ok?
RL
On 19/5/09 4:03 AM, "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
> All, Please be advisd that N70QT (formerlly 2001M) 680Fp w/ MrRPM conversion,
> is for sale. If interested please contact me at 817-877-4977 or mob
> 817-517-4977. Mason
>
>
>
>
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
rl=2C yes=2C ok. just not using the plane and i hate to see it sit. Just
running cancer patients is all the workout she is getting. tnx ur concern.
gmc
Date: Tue=2C 19 May 2009 18:53:19 +0930
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
MC=2C Are you ok?
RL
On 19/5/09 4:03 AM=2C "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
All=2C Please be advisd that N70QT (formerlly 2001M) 680Fp w/ MrRPM convers
ion=2C is for sale. If interested please contact me at 817-877-4977 or mob
817-517-4977. Mason
ist Email Forum -
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| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
gmc, ok good to know...commercial tenancies ok? rl
On 19/5/09 9:32 PM, "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
> rl, yes, ok. just not using the plane and i hate to see it sit. Just running
> cancer patients is all the workout she is getting. tnx ur concern. gmc
>
>
> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:53:19 +0930
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
> From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> MC, Are you ok?
>
> RL
>
> On 19/5/09 4:03 AM, "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
>
>> All, Please be advisd that N70QT (formerlly 2001M) 680Fp w/ MrRPM conversion,
>> is for sale. If interested please contact me at 817-877-4977 or mob
>> 817-517-4977. Mason
>>
>>
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| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
rl=2C by the way there is a nice ranch for sale at Koolburra. gmc
Date: Tue=2C 19 May 2009 22:03:29 +0930
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
gmc=2C ok good to know...commercial tenancies ok? rl
On 19/5/09 9:32 PM=2C "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
rl=2C yes=2C ok. just not using the plane and i hate to see it sit. Just
running cancer patients is all the workout she is getting. tnx ur concern.
gmc
Date: Tue=2C 19 May 2009 18:53:19 +0930
Subject: Re: Commander-List:
From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
MC=2C Are you ok?
RL
On 19/5/09 4:03 AM=2C "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
All=2C Please be advisd that N70QT (formerlly 2001M) 680Fp w/ MrRPM convers
ion=2C is for sale. If interested please contact me at 817-877-4977 or mob
817-517-4977. Mason
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| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
The US troops in Afghanistan proved they have retained their sense of humor
by creating this.
"YOU MAY BE A TALIBAN IF..."
1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer.
2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't
afford shoes.
3. You have more wives than teeth.
4. You wipe your butt with your bare hand, but consider bacon "unclean."
5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
6. You can't think of anyone you haven't declared Jihad against.
7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your
clothing.
8. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting
off roadside bombs.
9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least
one.
10. You've always had a crush on your neighbor's goat
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Owens" <dowens(at)aerialviewpoint.com> |
| Subject: | Save the Skyraider link... |
Just in case you guys didn't know about it from AVWEB or other source,
here's the link... Interesting... Not a Commander, but still a good
animal... go to http://www.savetheskyraider.com/site/Welcome.html to
check it out. Have a Great Day!
William D. Owens, GISP
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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| Subject: | Re: mander-List: |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
gmc, can you point me to an appropriate website for the ranch.rjl
On 19/5/09 11:48 PM, "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
> rl, by the way there is a nice ranch for sale at Koolburra. gmc
>
>
> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 22:03:29 +0930
> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
> From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> gmc, ok good to know...commercial tenancies ok? rl
>
> On 19/5/09 9:32 PM, "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
>
>> rl, yes, ok. just not using the plane and i hate to see it sit. Just
>> running cancer patients is all the workout she is getting. tnx ur concern.
>> gmc
>>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:53:19 +0930
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List:
>> From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>> MC, Are you ok?
>>
>> RL
>>
>> On 19/5/09 4:03 AM, "MASON CHEVAILLIER" wrote:
>>
>>> All, Please be advisd that N70QT (formerlly 2001M) 680Fp w/ MrRPM
>>> conversion, is for sale. If interested please contact me at 817-877-4977 or
>>> mob 817-517-4977. Mason
>>>
>>>
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Sump Drain valve for 680F |
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not
close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and
closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve
since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this
situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it
the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have
one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F |
Randy,
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under
the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut
off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early
Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus.
Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts
book, which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did
not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After
opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not
opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody
experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my
parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a
replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Sump Drain valve for 680F |
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve
removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place.
And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the
tank..??
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Randy,
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the
wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the
fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn
Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely
the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book,
which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Randy <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net> Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not
close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and
closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve
since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this
situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it
the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have
one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Scottmain2003(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F |
That sump is the low spot in the system. get a bunch of gerry cans and
drain it dry. I know........someone stole all my gas one night. wasn't a drop
left.
In a message dated 5/24/2009 10:39:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve
removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place.
And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the
tank..??
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
____________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Randy,
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under
the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off
the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn
Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the
valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book,
which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: _Randy Dettmer, AIA_ (mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net)
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not
close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and
closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve
since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this
situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it
the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have
one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F |
Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under
your loved possession.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the
valve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the
place. And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling
the tank..??
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Randy,
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door
under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to
shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early
Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus.
Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts
book, which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did
not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After
opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not
opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody
experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my
parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a
replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Sump Drain valve for 680F |
Thanks guys. Good reason to go for a flight to burn up most of the fuel
from the center tank before draining in to jugs. Randy.
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your
loved possession.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net> Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve
removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place.
And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the
tank..??
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Randy,
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the
wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the
fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn
Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely
the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book,
which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Randy <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net> Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not
close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and
closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve
since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this
situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it
the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have
one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | In the spirit of this holiday |
I thought I'd share this with you all.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls
and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms,
dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -
Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
One of the serious problems in planning the fight against American doctrine,
is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any
obligation to follow their doctrine...- From a Soviet Junior Lt's Notebook
"The best tank terrain is that without anti-tank weapons." -Russian military
doctrine.
..At a prewar diplomatic conference, the Nazi Foreign Minister Ribbentrop
"sniffed" to Eden and Churchill that if there was another war, the Italians
would be on Germany's side! To which Churchill supposedly replied: "that
seems only fair, we had them last time!"...
"The reason the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos,
and the American Army practices it on a daily basis." - from a post-war
debriefing of a German General
Memorial Day Toasts & Quotes
"To her we drink, for her we pray, our voices silent never.
For her we'll fight -- let come what may, The Stars and Stripes forever."
"Here's to the Army and Navy, and the battles they have won. Here's to
America's colors-- The colors that never run!"
"May the tree of liberty flourish round the globe, and every human being
partake of its fruits."
"May noise never excite us to battle, or confusions reduce us to defeat."
EULOGY FOR A VETERAN
Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the Gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the mornings hush,
I am the swift uplifting rush
of quiet birds in circled flight,
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there, I did not die.
(Author unknown)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I have removed several with the airplane fueled, you need to be careful, well organized
and fast!!? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Sun, 24 May 2009 8:27 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your loved
possession.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the response.? I think the challenge will be to get the valve removed
and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place.? And then
re-installing it.? Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the tank..??
?
Randy
?
?
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA? 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
?
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
?
Randy,
?
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing)
looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in
my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors?in about
1972.? Meaning that it was military surplus.??Most likely?the valve needs to
be?removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which
is a very good thing..........................
?
Regards.
?
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
?
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
?
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close
completely and fuel continued to drip overboard.? After opening and closing several
times, the dripping stopped.? I have not opened the valve since, for fear
of it sticking open again.? Has anybody experienced this situation..??? I was
unable to identify the valve in my parts manual.? Is it the same in all Commanders..???
I may need a replacement valve.? Anyone have one..??? Thanks.
?
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
?
?
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA? 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Sump Drain valve for 680F |
I have replaced the drain valves in 70QT w/ the easy and rebuildable cessna
drains. they work very well. Ck w/ gary Kromer at commander aero for par
ts and paper work. gmc
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Date: Tue=2C 26 May 2009 00:42:17 -0400
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
I have removed several with the airplane fueled=2C you need to be careful
=2C well organized and fast!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Sun=2C 24 May 2009 8:27 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Drain the tank=2C you don't want to fool around with combustibles under you
r loved possession.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer=2C AIA
Sent: Sunday=2C May 24=2C 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Hi Moe=2C
Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve re
moved and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. An
d then re-installing it. Any suggestions=2C short of de-fueling the tank..
??
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo=2C CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday=2C May 23=2C 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Randy=2C
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under th
e wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the
fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Inject
ors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the
valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book=2C
which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Randy Dettmer=2C AIA
Sent: Saturday=2C May 23=2C 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump=2C the valve did not
close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and
closing several times=2C the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve
since=2C for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this
situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is
it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone
have one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer=2C AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo=2C CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | "Nick Martin" <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | Prop Locks on 690 Commander |
Has anyone out there had a prop lock string retainer come off with engine
running ? This happened to my TPE 331 -10 . It appears that the spring
pressure and centrifugal force of the retainer was all pressing against the
cotter pin .The pin sheared off and the spring and retain fell out of my
spinner as the engine ran down ..cotter pin was cad plated ,should it be
stainless??? N674NM
Nicolas E. Martin
Martin Container, Inc.
1402 E. Lomita Blvd.
Wilmington, Ca 90748
Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Thanks guys. Good reason to go for a flight to burn up most of the fuel
from the center tank before draining in to jugs. Randy.
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your
loved possession.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net> Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Hi Moe,
Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve
removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place.
And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the
tank..??
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
Randy,
This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the
wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the
fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn
Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely
the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed.
You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book,
which is a very good thing..........................
Regards.
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Randy <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net> Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not
close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and
closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve
since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this
situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it
the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have
one..?? Thanks.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
4:35 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Locks on 690 Commander |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Nope, I have however had the springs beak and the pins stick.=C2- In eth
er case the propeller will feather.=C2- jb
Has anyone out there had a prop lock string retainer come off with engine
running ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Martin <nick(at)container.com>
Sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 9:59 am
Subject: Commander-List: Prop Locks on 690 Commander
Has anyone out there had a prop lock string retainer come off with engine
running ? This happened to my TPE 331 -10 . It appears that the spring pr
essure and centrifugal force of the retainer was all pressing against the
cotter pin .The pin sheared off and the spring and retain fell out of my
spinner as the engine ran down .cotter pin was cad plated ,shoul
d it be stainless??? N674NM
=C2-
Nicolas E. Martin
Martin Container, Inc.
1402 E. Lomita Blvd.
Wilmington, Ca 90748
Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
=C2-
Thanks guys.=C2- Good reason to go for a flight to burn up most of the
fuel from the center tank before draining in to jugs.=C2- Randy.
=C2-
=C2-
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA=C2- 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
=C2-
From: owner-commande
r-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.
com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
=C2-
Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your
loved possession.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F
=C2-
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