Commander-Archive.digest.vol-dn

July 20, 2009 - September 05, 2009



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From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: great idea!
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Big News GREAT IDEA Washington, DC -- July 9th, 2009 Congress today announced that the office of President of the United States of America will be outsourced to India as of September 1, 2009. The move is being made in order to save the President's $500,000 yearly salary, and also a record $750 billion in deficit expenditures and related overhead that his office has incurred during the last 3 months. It is anticipated that $7 trillion can be saved to the end of the President's term. "We believe this is a wise financial move. The cost savings are huge," stated Congressman Thomas Reynolds (R-WA). "We cannot remain competitive on the world stage with the current level of cash outlay," Reynolds noted. Obama was informed by email this morning of his termination. Preparations for the job move have been underway for some time. Gurvinder Singh, a tele-technician for Indus Teleservices, Mumbai India , will assume the office of President as of September 1, 2009. Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his Indian parents were vacationing at Niagara Falls , NY . Thus making him eligible for the position. He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) a month, but no health coverage or other benefits. It is believed that Mr. Singh will be able to handle his job responsibilities without a support staff. Due to the time difference between the US and India , he will be working primarily at night. "Working nights will allow me to keep my day job at the Dell Computer call center," stated Mr. Singh in an exclusive interview. "I am excited about this position. I always hoped I would be President." A Congressional spokesperson noted that while Mr. Singh may not be fully aware of all the issues involved in the office of President, this should not be a problem as Obama had never been familiar with the issues either. Mr. Singh will rely upon a script tree that will enable him to respond effectively to most topics of concern. Using these canned responses, he can address common concerns without having to understand the underlying issue at all. "We know these scripting tools work," stated the spokesperson. "Obama has used them successfully for years, with the result that some people actually thought he knew what he was talking about." Obama will receive health coverage, expenses, and salary until his final day of employment. Following a two-week waiting period, he will be eligible for $140 a week unemployment for 26 weeks. Unfortunately he will not be eligible for Medicaid, as his unemployment benefits will exceed the allowed limit. Obama has been provided with the outplacement services of Manpower, Inc. to help him write a resume and prepare for his upcoming job transition. According to Manpower, Obama may have difficulties in securing a new position due to a lack of any successful work experience during his lifetime. A greeter's position at WalMart was suggested, perhaps due to his extensive experience at shaking hands, as well as his special smile. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Playing the harmonica
Date: Jul 20, 2009
Not commander related, but this is pretty good for those who enjoy music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQ01MB8fzs God bless, Andrew ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Playing the harmonica
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Neat! If you have a couple minutes to waste you might enjoy this too. Another one man band..... Saw one of these fellows live and still couldn't believe what I saw! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoi8wz6WJs&feature=related steve ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew.bridget(at)telus.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: Commander-List: Playing the harmonica Not commander related, but this is pretty good for those who enjoy music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQ01MB8fzs God bless, Andrew ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Playing the harmonica
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Thanks Steve, it was awesome. I am always amazed at what the human mind is capable of. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of steven Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Playing the harmonica Neat! If you have a couple minutes to waste you might enjoy this too. Another one man band..... Saw one of these fellows live and still couldn't believe what I saw! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoi8wz6WJs <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoi8wz6WJs&feature=related> &feature=related steve ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew.bridget(at)telus.net Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: Commander-List: Playing the harmonica Not commander related, but this is pretty good for those who enjoy music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQ01MB8fzs God bless, Andrew href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Playing the harmonica
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Wow. Not commander related, but this is pretty good for those who enjoy music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQ01MB8fzs God bless, Andrew ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Playing the harmonica
Date: Jul 21, 2009
OK, I now want to see this in the cockpit while the horizon in the background does a roll. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Playing the harmonica Thanks Steve, it was awesome. I am always amazed at what the human mind is capable of. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of steven Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:00 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Playing the harmonica Neat! If you have a couple minutes to waste you might enjoy this too. Another one man band..... Saw one of these fellows live and still couldn't believe what I saw! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpoi8wz6WJs&feature=related steve ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew.bridget(at)telus.net To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:45 PM Subject: Commander-List: Playing the harmonica Not commander related, but this is pretty good for those who enjoy music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWQ01MB8fzs God bless, Andrew href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Subject: Aero Commander Parts needed
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Clear DayHello, Am in need of 3 exhaust wastegates, part number 1500-1 amd 1500-2, for a 680 FLP Commander with the Mr RPM Conversion. If you know of anyone who has such a part let me know. I've already talked to Paul Gendron who holds the Mr RPM STC...he's the one who said the parts sent to him for repair are beyond repair. Thanks for the help. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Aero Commander Parts needed
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Clear DayCall Harry, 321-267-3141. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander Parts needed Hello, Am in need of 3 exhaust wastegates, part number 1500-1 amd 1500-2, for a 680 FLP Commander with the Mr RPM Conversion. If you know of anyone who has such a part let me know. I've already talked to Paul Gendron who holds the Mr RPM STC...he's the one who said the parts sent to him for repair are beyond repair. Thanks for the help. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Then there was a blog
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Folks, I have started a blog and I promise to drastically cut down on the stuff that I forward to you. If I want you to see stuff, I'll publish it in my blog and then you can read it when and if you wish. It is the first of five blogs that would be interlinked. I'll add the others in good time and let you know. Sign up if you wish and leave a comment. Oh, by the way, if you find the content worthwhile, forward the blog to others; it's what blogging is all about. Spreading the word. I'd appreciate that. http://truth.byrushdelivery.com Thanks Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Then there was a blog
Date: Jul 21, 2009
Lets see now a blog....oh yes that is when my Skydrol leaks out of the steering servo, it leaves a blog that the airport hates. Tom. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: artandcarla(at)sbcglobal.net Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:56 PM Subject: Commander-List: Then there was a blog Folks, I have started a blog and I promise to drastically cut down on the stuff that I forward to you. If I want you to see stuff, I'll publish it in my blog and then you can read it when and if you wish. It is the first of five blogs that would be interlinked. I'll add the others in good time and let you know. Sign up if you wish and leave a comment. Oh, by the way, if you find the content worthwhile, forward the blog to others; it's what blogging is all about. Spreading the word. I'd appreciate that. http://truth.byrushdelivery.com Thanks Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Fw: Fwd: Colonoscopy
Date: Jul 25, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Gillman<mailto:r.gillman(at)verizon.net> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Fw: Fwd: Colonoscopy ----- Forwarded Message ---- Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 11:18:04 AM Subject: Fw: Fwd: Colonoscopy Have you experienced this? I have. Thank you Dave Barry. --- : Fwd: Colonoscopy This is from newshound Dave Barry's colonoscopy journal: I called my friend Andy Sable, a gastroenterologist, to make an appointment for a colonoscopy. A few days later, in his office, Andy showed me a color diagram of the colon, a lengthy organ that appears to go all over the place, at one point passing briefly through Minneapolis . Then Andy explained the colonoscopy procedure to me in a thorough, reassuring and patient manner. I nodded thoughtfully, but I didn't really hear anything he said, because my brain was shrieking, quote, 'HE'S GOING TO STICK A TUBE 17,000 FEET UP YOUR BEHIND!' I left Andy's office with some written instructions, and a prescription for a product called 'MoviPrep,' which comes in a box large enough to hold a microwave oven. I will discuss MoviPrep in detail later; for now suffice it to say that we must never allow it to fall into the hands of America 's enemies. I spent the next several days productively sitting around being nervous. Then, on the day before my colonoscopy, I began my preparation. In accordance with my instructions, I didn't eat any solid food that day; all I had was chicken broth, which is basically water, only with less flavor. Then, in the evening, I took the MoviPrep. You mix two packets of powder together in a one-liter plastic jug, then you fill it with lukewarm water. (For those unfamiliar with the metric system, a liter is about 32 gallons.) Then you have to drink the whole jug. This takes about an hour, because MoviPrep tastes - and here I am being kind - like a mixture of goat spit and urinal cleanser, with just a hint of lemon. The instructions for MoviPrep, clearly written by somebody with a great sense of humor, state that after you drink it, 'a loose, watery bowel movement may result.' This is kind of like saying that after you jump off your roof, you may experience contact with the ground. MoviPrep is a nuclear laxative. I don't want to be too graphic, here, but: Have you ever seen a space-shuttle launch? This is pretty much the MoviPrep experience, with you as the shuttle. There are times when you wish the commode had a seat belt. You spend several hours pretty much confined to the bathroom, spurting violently. You eliminate everything. And then, when you figure you must be totally empty, you have to drink another liter of MoviPrep, at which point, as far as I can tell, your bowels travel into the future and start eliminating food that you have not even eaten yet. After an action-packed evening, I finally got to sleep. The next morning my wife drove me to the clinic. I was very nervous.. Not only was I worried about the procedure, but I had been experiencing occasional return bouts of MoviPrep spurtage. I was thinking, 'What if I spurt on Andy?' How do you apologize to a friend for something like that? Flowers would not be enough. At the clinic I had to sign many forms acknowledging that I understood and totally agreed with whatever the heck the forms said. Then they led me to a room full of other colonoscopy people, where I went inside a little curtained space and took off my clothes and put on one of those hospital garments designed by sadist perverts, the kind that, when you put it on, makes you feel even more naked than when you are actually naked. Then a nurse named Eddie put a little needle in a vein in my left hand. Ordinarily I would have fainted, but Eddie was very good, and I was already lying down. Eddie also told me that some people put vodka in their MoviPrep. At first I was ticked off that I hadn't thought of this is, but then I pondered what would happen if you got yourself too tipsy to make it to the bathroom, so you were staggering around in full Fire Hose Mode. You would have no choice but to burn your house. When everything was ready, Eddie wheeled me into the procedure room, where Andy was waiting with a nurse and an anesthesiologist. I did not see the 17,000-foot tube, but I knew Andy had it hidden around there somewhere. I was seriously nervous at this point. Andy had me roll over on my left side, and the anesthesiologist began hooking something up to the needle in my hand. There was music playing in the room, and I realized that the song was 'Dancing Queen' by ABBA. I remarked to Andy that, of all the songs that could be playing during this particular procedure, 'Dancing Queen' had to be the least appropriate. 'You want me to turn it up?' said Andy, from somewhere behind me. 'Ha ha,' I said. And then it was time, the moment I had been dreading for more than a decade. If you are squeamish, prepare yourself, because I am going to tell you, in explicit detail, exactly what it was like. I have no idea. Really. I slept through it. One moment, ABBA was yelling 'Dancing Queen, feel the beat of the tambourine,' and the next moment, I was back in the other room, waking up in a very mellow mood. Andy was looking down at me and asking me how I felt. I felt excellent. I felt even more excellent when Andy told me that It was all over, and that my colon had passed with flying colors. I have never been prouder of an internal organ. ABOUT THE WRITER Dave Barry is a Pulitzer Prize-winning humor columnist for the Miami Herald. On the subject of Colonoscopies... Colonoscopies are no joke, but these comments during the exam were quite humorous..... A physician claimed that the following are actual comments made by his patients (predominately male) while he was performing their colonoscopies: 1. 'Take it easy, Doc. You're boldly going where no man has gone before! 2. 'Find Amelia Earhart yet?' 3. 'Can you hear me NOW?' 4. 'Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?' 5. 'You know, in Arkansas , we're now legally married.' 6. 'Any sign of the trapped miners, Chief?' 7. 'You put your left hand in, you take your left hand out...' 8. 'Hey! Now I know how a Muppet feels!' 9. 'If your hand doesn't fit, you must quit! 10. 'Hey Doc, let me know if you find my dignity.' 11. 'You used to be an executive at Enron, didn't you?' 12. 'God, now I know why I am not gay.' And the best one of all. 13. 'Could you write a note for my wife saying that my head is not up there?' ---------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: OSHKOSH
Date: Jul 27, 2009
Greetings from Commanderland, Anybody going to OSH..?? I am heading to Oshkosh tomorrow to spend a couple of days at the air show on Wednesday and Thursday. If any of you will be there (with your Commanders.or not) please give me a shout to touch base. It would be nice to say hello and share some CC ( "Commander Camaraderie" ). Cell phone is 805 459 0806. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: OSHKOSH
Date: Jul 27, 2009
Hi Randy, I'm not going this year...Morris is hanging my new engine tomorrow (yay!). I hope to see you in Carson City for the fly-in though. I just talked to Dave Phifer from Washington state, he's a super guy, and he's sitting under his wing at Oshkosh watching the thunder & lightning and trying to stay dry. He has a 500B with the Merlyn 320hp upgrade, and he flies it a ton. I'll email you his cell # directly in a moment. Look him up, I'm sure you guys have lots in common. Also stop by the Brightline bags booth http://www.brightlinebags.com/ while you're there and say hi to my close friend Bryan Smith. I have a bag from them and I think it's the best pilot bag ever made. Drop my name and Bry will probably give you a great discount! How's your airplane? Been flying much? Cheers, /J _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Greetings from Commanderland, Anybody going to OSH..?? I am heading to Oshkosh tomorrow to spend a couple of days at the air show on Wednesday and Thursday. If any of you will be there (with your Commanders.or not) please give me a shout to touch base. It would be nice to say hello and share some CC ( "Commander Camaraderie" ). Cell phone is 805 459 0806. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: OSHKOSH
Date: Jul 27, 2009
Hey John, Good to hear from you. New engine, huh.??? I know all about new engines. 53X is flying great, with new engines, props, JPI analyzer, and a bunch of other overhauled stuff. I have been flying quite a bit, with projects scattered throughout the state. The airplane really hums along, fast and smooth. I have located an excellent mechanic here at SBP. He went back to study Commanders with John Towner's operation. He is now getting experience with a 680F (mine). Thanks for the contact info on Dave Phifer. I'll stop by and say hello. Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Hi Randy, I'm not going this year...Morris is hanging my new engine tomorrow (yay!). I hope to see you in Carson City for the fly-in though. I just talked to Dave Phifer from Washington state, he's a super guy, and he's sitting under his wing at Oshkosh watching the thunder & lightning and trying to stay dry. He has a 500B with the Merlyn 320hp upgrade, and he flies it a ton. I'll email you his cell # directly in a moment. Look him up, I'm sure you guys have lots in common. Also stop by the Brightline bags booth http://www.brightlinebags.com/ while you're there and say hi to my close friend Bryan Smith. I have a bag from them and I think it's the best pilot bag ever made. Drop my name and Bry will probably give you a great discount! How's your airplane? Been flying much? Cheers, /J _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Greetings from Commanderland, Anybody going to OSH..?? I am heading to Oshkosh tomorrow to spend a couple of days at the air show on Wednesday and Thursday. If any of you will be there (with your Commanders.or not) please give me a shout to touch base. It would be nice to say hello and share some CC ( "Commander Camaraderie" ). Cell phone is 805 459 0806. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: OSHKOSH
Date: Jul 27, 2009
I got a bad tank of gas from a 50-yr-old fuel truck at the Jet Center in Scottsdale last May. I think it plugged the injectors on the #1 cylinder causing it to run hot (I noticed it a little hot on the JPI on the flight home, but by then it was too late I'm sure). The rings broke and that cylinder stopped making power. No big deal in itself, but when we went to change the cylinder Morris discovered that the case was cracked. So off to the overhaul shop. Business has been in the gutter so I chipped away at it slowly to conserve cash. I'll finally be flying by next week with a fresh annual and a new engine. Yay. Sort of. Unfortunately it was the "new" engine (~800 hrs) that died, so now I have a 0-time engine and one with 1,549 hours on a 1,600 hour TBO. Luckily the high-time engine runs like a swiss watch and has been flawless. I'm hoping to at least get it to 2k hours before I have to spring for that one too. It would be nice if I could make it last until the economy comes back a little bit anyway. Morris did give me a whole new engine mount (that entire large hanger assembly) and he rebuilt the bottom of the nacelle. He also plumbed it for the larger-style oil cooler, and had new exhausts built, so theoretically that side is good for another 40 years. It looks awesome. I just have the funny feeling that I'll be repeating this exercise in a year or two on the other side. We'll have to talk at some point. Morris is my friend and is very knowledgeable, but he's 75 years old now. I don't know how much longer he'll be doing this, and it'll be a very sad day for me when I have to look for another mechanic. I hope your guy works out well. Sending him to Towner University was a good idea...I hope you didn't foot the whole bill for that! Have fun in Oshkosh and watch out for all the 20hr/yr. yahoos that fly there. Based on Dave's comments, you might want to pack a lightning rod too. /J PS: I called the Jet Center and gave them hell, but they just said, "not our fault, our truck is fine. Sorry, can't help you." I'm never going there again, that's for sure.... _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Hey John, Good to hear from you. New engine, huh.??? I know all about new engines. 53X is flying great, with new engines, props, JPI analyzer, and a bunch of other overhauled stuff. I have been flying quite a bit, with projects scattered throughout the state. The airplane really hums along, fast and smooth. I have located an excellent mechanic here at SBP. He went back to study Commanders with John Towner's operation. He is now getting experience with a 680F (mine). Thanks for the contact info on Dave Phifer. I'll stop by and say hello. Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Hi Randy, I'm not going this year...Morris is hanging my new engine tomorrow (yay!). I hope to see you in Carson City for the fly-in though. I just talked to Dave Phifer from Washington state, he's a super guy, and he's sitting under his wing at Oshkosh watching the thunder & lightning and trying to stay dry. He has a 500B with the Merlyn 320hp upgrade, and he flies it a ton. I'll email you his cell # directly in a moment. Look him up, I'm sure you guys have lots in common. Also stop by the Brightline bags booth http://www.brightlinebags.com/ while you're there and say hi to my close friend Bryan Smith. I have a bag from them and I think it's the best pilot bag ever made. Drop my name and Bry will probably give you a great discount! How's your airplane? Been flying much? Cheers, /J _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Greetings from Commanderland, Anybody going to OSH..?? I am heading to Oshkosh tomorrow to spend a couple of days at the air show on Wednesday and Thursday. If any of you will be there (with your Commanders.or not) please give me a shout to touch base. It would be nice to say hello and share some CC ( "Commander Camaraderie" ). Cell phone is 805 459 0806. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 28, 2009
From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: OSHKOSH
John, You have noted a critical problem we all face.=C2- Aging airframes are on e thing, aging parts, reduced inventories of spares are worrisome as well. =C2- Aging expertise among mechanics, A&P's, and IA's is far worse in my mind as the learning curve is very expensive to us all.=C2- As folks like Morris leave the business, the space is partly filled by a second tier of "apprentice" resources.=C2- However, lots of shops just bill time and lab or as they learn/relearn these airplanes!=C2- At least in your case, you were able to ship the engine to Morris.=C2- In my case, my guru (Richard Cam), had to spend several weeks in the middle of nowhere making sure the a irplane was safe to fly, even with 2 rebuilt engines and props!=C2- That is tough work (I know, I was there).=C2- It's my experience that less and less people actually have the experience to work in the field like this. =C2- All this just adds time and money to the "bill".=C2- Just a few th oughts.... Craig --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John Vormbaum wrote: From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:16 PM =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A _filtered #yiv80491104 {=0A font-family:Tahoma;}=0A _filtered #yiv80491104 {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1 .25in;}=0A#yiv80491104 P.MsoNormal {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Time s New Roman";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yiv80491104 LI.MsoNormal {=0AMARGIN:0in 0i n 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yiv80491104 DIV.Mso Normal {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";FONT-SIZE:12pt; }=0A#yiv80491104 A:link {=0ACOLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv80 491104 SPAN.MsoHyperlink {=0ACOLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv8 0491104 A:visited {=0ACOLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv804911 04 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {=0ACOLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} =0A#yiv80491104 P.MsoAutoSig {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yiv80491104 LI.MsoAutoSig {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt ;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yiv80491104 DIV.MsoAutoS ig {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A #yiv80491104 SPAN.EmailStyle18 {=0AFONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:windowtext;}=0A# yiv80491104 SPAN.EmailStyle19 {=0AFONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:navy;}=0A#yiv8049 1104 DIV.Section1 {=0A}=0A=0AI got a bad tank of gas from a 50-yr-old fuel truck at the Jet =0ACenter in Scottsdale last May. I think it plugged the i njectors on the #1 =0Acylinder causing it to run hot (I noticed it a little hot on the JPI on the =0Aflight home, but by then it was too late I'm sure ). The rings broke and that =0Acylinder stopped making power. No big deal i n itself, but when we went to change =0Athe cylinder Morris discovered that the case was cracked. So off to the overhaul =0Ashop.=0A=C2-=0ABusiness has been in the gutter so I chipped away at it slowly =0Ato conserve cash. I'll finally be flying by next week with a fresh annual and a =0Anew engine . Yay. Sort of. Unfortunately it was the "new" engine (~800 hrs) that =0Adi ed, so now I have a 0-time engine and one with 1,549 hours on a 1,600 hour =0ATBO. Luckily the high-time engine runs like a swiss watch and has been f lawless. =0AI'm hoping to at least get it to 2k hours before I have to spri ng for that one =0Atoo. It would be nice if I could make it last until the economy comes back a =0Alittle bit anyway.=0A=C2-=0AMorris did give me a whole new engine mount (that entire large =0Ahanger assembly) and he rebuil t the bottom of the nacelle. He also plumbed it =0Afor the larger-style oil cooler, and had new exhausts built, so theoretically =0Athat side is good for another 40 years. It looks awesome.=C2-I just have the =0Afunny feeli ng that I'll be repeating this exercise in a year or two on the other =0Asi de.=0A=C2-=0AWe'll have to talk at some point. Morris is my friend and is =0Avery knowledgeable, but he's 75 years old now. I don't know how much lo nger =0Ahe'll be doing this, and it'll be a very sad day for me when I have to look for =0Aanother mechanic. I hope your guy works out well. Sending h im to Towner =0AUniversity was a good idea...I hope you didn't foot the who le bill for =0Athat!=0A=C2-=0AHave fun in Oshkosh and watch out for all t he 20hr/yr. yahoos =0Athat fly there. Based on Dave's comments, you might w ant to pack a lightning rod =0Atoo.=0A=C2-=0A/J PS: I called the Jet Center and gave them hell, but =0Athey just said, "not our fault, our truck is fine. Sorry, can't help you." I'm =0Anever going t here again, that's for sure.... =0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-c ommander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy =0ADettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:28 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: =0AOSHKOSH =0A=0A=0AHey =0AJohn, =0AGood to hear from =0Ayou.=C2- New engine, huh ???=C2- I know all about new engines.=C2- 53X is =0Aflying great, with new engines, props, JPI analyzer, and a bunch of other =0Aoverhauled stuff.=C2- I have been flying quite a bit, with projects scattered =0Athr oughout the state.=C2- The airplane really hums along, fast and =0Asmooth .=C2- I have located an excellent mechanic here at SBP.=C2- He went =0A back to study Commanders with John Towner=99s operation.=C2- He is now getting =0Aexperience with a 680F (mine).=C2- Thanks for the contact info on Dave =0APhifer.=C2- I=99ll stop by and say hello. =0A =C2 - =0ARandy =0A =C2- =0A=0A =0A =C2- =0ADettmer =0AArchitecture =0A663 =0AHill Street =0ASan =0ALuis Obispo, =0A CA =C2-=0A 93405 =0A805 =0A541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 =0Awww.dettmerarchitecture.com =0A =C2- =0A=0A =0A=0A=0AFrom: =0Aowner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owne r-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:15 =0APM Subject: RE: Commander-List:=0A=0A OSHKOSH =0A =C2- =0AHi =0ARandy, =0A =C2- =0AI'm not going this =0Ayear...Morris is hanging my new engine tomo rrow (yay!). I hope to see you in =0A Carson City for =0Athe fly-in though. =0A=C2- =0AI just talked to Dave =0APhifer from Washington state, he's a super guy, =0Aand he's sitting under his wing at=0A Oshkosh watching the t hunder & lightning =0Aand trying to stay dry. He has a 500B with the Merlyn 320hp upgrade, and he =0Aflies it a ton. I'll email you his cell # directl y in a moment. Look him up, I'm =0Asure you guys have lots in common. =0A =C2- =0AAlso stop by the =0ABrightline bags booth http://www.brightlineba gs.com/=C2-while =0Ayou're there and say hi to my close friend Bryan Smit h. I have a bag from them =0Aand I think it's the best pilot bag ever made. Drop my name and Bry will =0Aprobably give you a great discount! =0A=C2- =0AHow's your airplane? =0ABeen flying much? =0A=C2- =0ACheers, =0A=C2 - =0A/J =0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: =0Aowner-commander-list-server@matro nics.com =0A[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:05 =0APM Subject: Commander-List:=0A=0A OSHKOSH =0AGreetings from =0ACommanderland, =0AAnybody going to=0A OSH ..??=C2- I am heading =0Ato Oshkosh =0Atomorro w to spend a couple of days at the air show on Wednesday and =0AThursday. =C2- If any of you will be there (with your Commandersor not) pl ease =0Agive me a shout to touch base.=C2- It would be nice to say hello and share =0Asome CC ( =9CCommander Camaraderie=9D ).=C2- Cel l phone is 805 459 =0A0806. =0A =C2- =0ARandy Dettmer, =0AAIA =0A680F / =0AN6253X =0A =C2- =0A =0A =C2- =0ADettmer =0AArchitecture =0A663 =0AHi ll Street =0ASan =0ALuis Obispo, =0A CA =C2-=0A 93405 =0A805 =0A541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 =0Awww.dettmerarchitecture.com =0A =C2-=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: OSHKOSH
Date: Jul 28, 2009
Craig et al, Amen to all your comments. There is also the "bucket" principle which has to do with the mechanics having a bucket to fill to survive. With fewer of us flying and using the mechanics, they use us more to fill their buckets. An example is the recent $23.5K annual on my 500S. This was after a $14.5K annual the year before by the same mechanic. This year he decided that all the hydraulic hoses were unairworthy. These were the same hoses that were on the plane new when I bought it 5 years ago. It passed 5 annuals. Now he felt that the gap was not with in FAA specifications and all had to be changed. I don't think it is the price of fuel that is driving people away from general aviation but all the factors stated associated with the maintanance issues. I am trying to sell my 500S only because I lost my local mechanic/friend and it is a financial nightmare whenever another unfamiliar mechanic works on the plane. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of craig kennedy Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:14 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH John, You have noted a critical problem we all face. Aging airframes are one thing, aging parts, reduced inventories of spares are worrisome as well. Aging expertise among mechanics, A&P's, and IA's is far worse in my mind as the learning curve is very expensive to us all. As folks like Morris leave the business, the space is partly filled by a second tier of "apprentice" resources. However, lots of shops just bill time and labor as they learn/relearn these airplanes! At least in your case, you were able to ship the engine to Morris. In my case, my guru (Richard Cam), had to spend several weeks in the middle of nowhere making sure the airplane was safe to fly, even with 2 rebuilt engines and props! That is tough work (I know, I was there). It's my experience that less and less people actually have the experience to work in the field like this. All this just adds time and money to the "bill". Just a few thoughts.... Craig --- On Mon, 7/27/09, John Vormbaum wrote: From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 5:16 PM I got a bad tank of gas from a 50-yr-old fuel truck at the Jet Center in Scottsdale last May. I think it plugged the injectors on the #1 cylinder causing it to run hot (I noticed it a little hot on the JPI on the flight home, but by then it was too late I'm sure). The rings broke and that cylinder stopped making power. No big deal in itself, but when we went to change the cylinder Morris discovered that the case was cracked. So off to the overhaul shop. Business has been in the gutter so I chipped away at it slowly to conserve cash. I'll finally be flying by next week with a fresh annual and a new engine. Yay. Sort of. Unfortunately it was the "new" engine (~800 hrs) that died, so now I have a 0-time engine and one with 1,549 hours on a 1,600 hour TBO. Luckily the high-time engine runs like a swiss watch and has been flawless. I'm hoping to at least get it to 2k hours before I have to spring for that one too. It would be nice if I could make it last until the economy comes back a little bit anyway. Morris did give me a whole new engine mount (that entire large hanger assembly) and he rebuilt the bottom of the nacelle. He also plumbed it for the larger-style oil cooler, and had new exhausts built, so theoretically that side is good for another 40 years. It looks awesome. I just have the funny feeling that I'll be repeating this exercise in a year or two on the other side. We'll have to talk at some point. Morris is my friend and is very knowledgeable, but he's 75 years old now. I don't know how much longer he'll be doing this, and it'll be a very sad day for me when I have to look for another mechanic. I hope your guy works out well. Sending him to Towner University was a good idea...I hope you didn't foot the whole bill for that! Have fun in Oshkosh and watch out for all the 20hr/yr. yahoos that fly there. Based on Dave's comments, you might want to pack a lightning rod too. /J PS: I called the Jet Center and gave them hell, but they just said, "not our fault, our truck is fine. Sorry, can't help you." I'm never going there again, that's for sure.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:28 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Hey John, Good to hear from you. New engine, huh??? I know all about new engines. 53X is flying great, with new engines, props, JPI analyzer, and a bunch of other overhauled stuff. I have been flying quite a bit, with projects scattered throughout the state. The airplane really hums along, fast and smooth. I have located an excellent mechanic here at SBP. He went back to study Commanders with John Towner=99s operation. He is now getting experience with a 680F (mine). Thanks for the contact info on Dave Phifer. I=99ll stop by and say hello. Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:15 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Hi Randy, I'm not going this year...Morris is hanging my new engine tomorrow (yay!). I hope to see you in Carson City for the fly-in though. I just talked to Dave Phifer from Washington state, he's a super guy, and he's sitting under his wing at Oshkosh watching the thunder & lightning and trying to stay dry. He has a 500B with the Merlyn 320hp upgrade, and he flies it a ton. I'll email you his cell # directly in a moment. Look him up, I'm sure you guys have lots in common. Also stop by the Brightline bags booth http://www.brightlinebags.com/ while you're there and say hi to my close friend Bryan Smith. I have a bag from them and I think it's the best pilot bag ever made. Drop my name and Bry will probably give you a great discount! How's your airplane? Been flying much? Cheers, /J ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:05 PM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: OSHKOSH Greetings from Commanderland, Anybody going to OSH ..?? I am heading to Oshkosh tomorrow to spend a couple of days at the air show on Wednesday and Thursday. If any of you will be there (with your Commandersor not) please give me a shout to touch base. It would be nice to say hello and share some CC ( =9CCommander Camaraderie=9D ). Cell phone is 805 459 0806. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Fw: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH
Date: Jul 31, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: scott<mailto:sboyn(at)frontiernet.net> Boynton Cc: edmege(at)optonline.net Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Fwd: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH Begin forwarded message: From: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com<mailto:MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com> Date: July 31, 2009 9:32:09 AM EDT To: junior.anderson(at)att.net Subject: Fwd: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Nevanish(at)aol.com<mailto:Nevanish(at)aol.com> Date: July 31, 2009 2:24:42 AM EDT To: bucandry(at)bellsouth.net, dcbarr(at)telusplanet.net, webmaster@C-7ACaribou.com, justin.blessinger(at)gmail.com, leovip(at)bellsouth.net, GSBREM(at)aol.com, jppolitico(at)cox.net, Bowieriver(at)netzero.net, mabyrd1(at)att.net, JCarney835(at)aol.com, WCartwrigh(at)aol.com, coffinicus(at)yahoo.com, bluemax2(at)comcast.net, CORSAIRPI(at)aol.com, JohnsD(at)aol.com, deady30758(at)aol.com, Dtsv180(at)aol.com, patd(at)bwoodtx.com, dells(at)roadrunner.com, jellsworth77(at)gmail.com, robertandamy(at)pgtc.com, howfarrout(at)sbcglobal.net, chemdet(at)erols.com, FSchaumbur(at)aol.com, frankgidus(at)aol.com, donindfw(at)verizon.net, TalHaas(at)aol.com, JHanna8096(at)aol.com, Cdrdickhansen(at)aol.com, Oddville50(at)aol.com, turbohart(at)yahoo.com, whiggins(at)satx.rr.com, HIATC(at)aim.com, delcar(at)zoominternet.net, PrintHut(at)aol.com, clarekeiser(at)sbcglobal.net, skobelas(at)comcast.net, MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com, R5ThRCT(at)aol.com, mpliberto(at)cableone.net, markhambob(at)juno.com, MCCARDELLJE(at)aol.com, jmoertel(at)usatek.net, george(at)moertel.com, f.murphy(at)harrison.lib.ms.us, MANassr(at)aol.com, epetrovay(at)consultant.com, R.portzer(at)cox.net, province(at)cableone.net, jonbrivera(at)bellsouth.net, roup66(at)hotmail.com, Rustythreerd(at)aol.com, jeseward(at)cableone.net, kdauten(at)hotmail.com, shotgen222(at)verizon.net, skmetta(at)yahoo.com, Jerose936(at)aol.com, Mstallone(at)cableone.net, BTgk2000(at)aol.com, ottoet1(at)windstream.net, ovthames(at)bellsouth.net, vanman(at)windstream.net, Tvarble1(at)bellsouth.net, marilyn55(at)tampabay.rr.com, wheeler1165(at)roadrunner.com, jwheeles001(at)cfl.rr.com, fjw(at)datasync.com, DICKWILSON2(at)aol.com, jswohio(at)woh.rr.com Subject: Fwd: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: c190guy(at)yahoo.com<mailto:c190guy(at)yahoo.com> To: c190guy(at)yahoo.com Sent: 7/29/2009 9:45:32 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH .Dan Gryder is a Griffin Ga. guy (Delta F/O) that fly's a DC-3 around & gives some type of "type rating" on it along with a lot of PR stuff. Took over the AOPA airport (6A2) volunteer from me when I went to Jet Airways. Subject: A380 Slams On To Runway At Oshkosh Show Tuesday - Video Wow, some PR crew Airbus had on this very poorly executed landing=85not very good in front of millions of people watching. And look at the vertical fin where he is using all that rudder to save it=85this is an Airbus where the vertical stabilizers tend to come unglued and go bye-bye from the airframe when using too much rudder=85and the wings are flapping like a bird. Close to scratching a $380M aircraft. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/EAAAirVenture2009_AirbusA38 0_HardLanding_200850-1.html<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids /EAAAirVenture2009_AirbusA380_HardLanding_200850-1.html> ------------------------------------------------ <http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=109094&rui=96994228> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fw: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH
Date: Jul 31, 2009
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
So, in the estimation of a Boeing bus driver the Airbus driver fracked the landing, causing all sorts of fracked-up stress on the trucks and wings, then danced on the rudder pedals like Fred Astair causing even more stress on the tail and trucks, but the aircraft is OK for another mission. Sounds like an endorsement to me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of lloyd silverman Sent: Fri 7/31/2009 5:18 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fw: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH ----- Original Message ----- From: scott<mailto:sboyn(at)frontiernet.net> Boynton Cc: edmege(at)optonline.net Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:37 AM Subject: Fwd: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH Begin forwarded message: From: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com<mailto:MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com> Date: July 31, 2009 9:32:09 AM EDT To: junior.anderson(at)att.net Subject: Fwd: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Nevanish(at)aol.com<mailto:Nevanish(at)aol.com> Date: July 31, 2009 2:24:42 AM EDT To: bucandry(at)bellsouth.net, dcbarr(at)telusplanet.net, webmaster@C-7ACaribou.com, justin.blessinger(at)gmail.com, leovip(at)bellsouth.net, GSBREM(at)aol.com, jppolitico(at)cox.net, Bowieriver(at)netzero.net, mabyrd1(at)att.net, JCarney835(at)aol.com, WCartwrigh(at)aol.com, coffinicus(at)yahoo.com, bluemax2(at)comcast.net, CORSAIRPI(at)aol.com, JohnsD(at)aol.com, deady30758(at)aol.com, Dtsv180(at)aol.com, patd(at)bwoodtx.com, dells(at)roadrunner.com, jellsworth77(at)gmail.com, robertandamy(at)pgtc.com, howfarrout(at)sbcglobal.net, chemdet(at)erols.com, FSchaumbur(at)aol.com, frankgidus(at)aol.com, donindfw(at)verizon.net, TalHaas(at)aol.com, JHanna8096(at)aol.com, Cdrdickhansen(at)aol.com, Oddville50(at)aol.com, turbohart(at)yahoo.com, whiggins(at)satx.rr.com, HIATC(at)aim.com, delcar(at)zoominternet.net, PrintHut(at)aol.com, clarekeiser(at)sbcglobal.net, skobelas(at)comcast.net, MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com, R5ThRCT(at)aol.com, mpliberto(at)cableone.net, markhambob(at)juno.com, MCCARDELLJE(at)aol.com, jmoertel(at)usatek.net, george(at)moertel.com, f.murphy(at)harrison.lib.ms.us, MANassr(at)aol.com, epetrovay(at)consultant.com, R.portzer(at)cox.net, province(at)cableone.net, jonbrivera(at)bellsouth.net, roup66(at)hotmail.com, Rustythreerd(at)aol.com, jeseward(at)cableone.net, kdauten(at)hotmail.com, shotgen222(at)verizon.net, skmetta(at)yahoo.com, Jerose936(at)aol.com, Mstallone(at)cableone.net, BTgk2000(at)aol.com, ottoet1(at)windstream.net, ovthames(at)bellsouth.net, vanman(at)windstream.net, Tvarble1(at)bellsouth.net, marilyn55(at)tampabay.rr.com, wheeler1165(at)roadrunner.com, jwheeles001(at)cfl.rr.com, fjw(at)datasync.com, DICKWILSON2(at)aol.com, jswohio(at)woh.rr.com Subject: Fwd: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: c190guy(at)yahoo.com<mailto:c190guy(at)yahoo.com> To: c190guy(at)yahoo.com Sent: 7/29/2009 9:45:32 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Hard Landing for an A-380 @ OSH .Dan Gryder is a Griffin Ga. guy (Delta F/O) that fly's a DC-3 around & gives some type of "type rating" on it along with a lot of PR stuff. Took over the AOPA airport (6A2) volunteer from me when I went to Jet Airways. Subject: A380 Slams On To Runway At Oshkosh Show Tuesday - Video Wow, some PR crew Airbus had on this very poorly executed landing.not very good in front of millions of people watching. And look at the vertical fin where he is using all that rudder to save it.this is an Airbus where the vertical stabilizers tend to come unglued and go bye-bye from the airframe when using too much rudder.and the wings are flapping like a bird. Close to scratching a $380M aircraft. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/EAAAirVenture2009_AirbusA38 0_HardLanding_200850-1.html<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids /EAAAirVenture2009_AirbusA380_HardLanding_200850-1.html> ------------------------------------------------ <http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=109094&rui=96994228> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Cylinder bolts for the GO-480-B ? Where to find?
Date: Aug 03, 2009
My email has been down for a couple of months: I have a set for one engine. Gary (616) 748-1705 ----- Original Message ----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Cylinder bolts for the GO-480-B ? Where to find? Any one know where I can find sump drain Part#V-104 and a gasket to go with it , part #2630080 . I need two sets to replace leaking out-board Aux fuel drains. Can`t get them to stop leaking . This is for a 680. Thanks for any help. Gil Walker In a message dated 6/9/2009 10:20:23 A.M. Central America Standard T, mdella(at)gmail.com writes: Ok, I'm having problems finding the knurled nuts that hold the cylinder flanges down on the GO-480-B engine. The few sources I've talked to say that you need to convert the studs, etc to handle the nuts with the interior knurled edges rather than the externals like the original nuts (how do you explain that one. I had to actually see the nuts to understand the difference). Anyway, I need quite a few of them and can't find a source. Any pointers? Marcos t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Aug 04, 2009
Hi All, Well, my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa Application has been approved. So, I'm all set to go! Who else will be attending? Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Aug 04, 2009
Barry- I live right up the road from Carson City (Sparks, NV) so you will technically be a guest of those of us who live here. I'm not sure what your schedule is like- but if you have time you really should get up to Reno to see the US National Championship Air Races at KRTS (formerly 4SD) airport. The races will be taking place at the same time as the fly-in so it conflicts a bit- but the theme is similar! If you'd like any suggestions for other things to do while visiting the Great State of Nevada, please let me know! I'm going to make every effort to get down to Carson to see you all face to face finally- but I own a team that races each September- and I tend to be "busy as a one legged man in an ***-kicking contest" during that week of the year. I will try to bring N414C down to Carson so you guys can see the refit she came through. They close KRTS for traffic during the races so it will take some pre-planning. I'll keep you posted. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi All, Well, my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa Application has been approved. So, I'm all set to go! Who else will be attending? Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 04, 2009
Hi Robert, Well, the Fly-In dates, 16-19 September, were deliberately chosen for to coincide with the Reno Air Races! I think several days have been earmarked as being free of any talks etc., so that people can attend. Hopefully, we'll all have the opportunity to meet you at some stage. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In Barry- I live right up the road from Carson City (Sparks, NV) so you will technically be a guest of those of us who live here. I'm not sure what your schedule is like- but if you have time you really should get up to Reno to see the US National Championship Air Races at KRTS (formerly 4SD) airport. The races will be taking place at the same time as the fly-in so it conflicts a bit- but the theme is similar! If you'd like any suggestions for other things to do while visiting the Great State of Nevada, please let me know! I'm going to make every effort to get down to Carson to see you all face to face finally- but I own a team that races each September- and I tend to be "busy as a one legged man in an ***-kicking contest" during that week of the year. I will try to bring N414C down to Carson so you guys can see the refit she came through. They close KRTS for traffic during the races so it will take some pre-planning. I'll keep you posted. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:49 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi All, Well, my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa Application has been approved. So, I'm all set to go! Who else will be attending? Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2009
From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Fly-In
Robert, By chance did you record the upgrade/refit in photo form to share? Craig --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Robert S. Randazzo wr ote: From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 10:23 AM =0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABarry- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI live right up the road from Carson City (Sparks, NV) so you=0Awill technically be a gu est of those of us who live here.=C2- I=99m not=0Asure what your sc hedule is like- but if you have time you really should get up=0Ato Reno to see the US National Championship Air Races at KRTS (formerly 4SD)=0Aairport .=C2- The races will be taking place at the same time as the fly-in so=0A it conflicts a bit- but the theme is similar!=C2- If you=99d like a ny=0Asuggestions for other things to do while visiting the Great State of N evada,=0Aplease let me know! =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI=99m going to make every effort to get down to Carson to=0Asee you all face to face finally- b ut I own a team that races each September-=0Aand I tend to be =9Cbusy as a one legged man in an ***-kicking contest=9D=0Aduring that week of the year=C2- =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI will try to bring N414C d own to Carson so you guys can see the=0Arefit she came through.=C2- They close KRTS for traffic during the races so=0Ait will take some pre-planning I=99ll keep you posted =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0ARobert S. Randazzo =0A=0AN414C =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom:=0Aowner-comma nder-list-server(at)matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of Barry=0ACollman =0ASent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:49 AM =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: Commander-List: Fly-In =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0AHi All, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AWell, my flights, car rent al and hotel are all booked and my=0Aon-line US Visa Application has been a pproved. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ASo,=0AI'm all set to go! =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2 - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AWho=0Aelse will be attending? =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=C2 - =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABest=0ARegards, =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABarry =0A=0A=0A=0A =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums .matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 04, 2009
My internet has been down for a few months and I didn't get the date of this years fly in? ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In Barry- I live right up the road from Carson City (Sparks, NV) so you will technically be a guest of those of us who live here. I'm not sure what your schedule is like- but if you have time you really should get up to Reno to see the US National Championship Air Races at KRTS (formerly 4SD) airport. The races will be taking place at the same time as the fly-in so it conflicts a bit- but the theme is similar! If you'd like any suggestions for other things to do while visiting the Great State of Nevada, please let me know! I'm going to make every effort to get down to Carson to see you all face to face finally- but I own a team that races each September- and I tend to be "busy as a one legged man in an ***-kicking contest" during that week of the year. I will try to bring N414C down to Carson so you guys can see the refit she came through. They close KRTS for traffic during the races so it will take some pre-planning. I'll keep you posted. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:49 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi All, Well, my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa Application has been approved. So, I'm all set to go! Who else will be attending? Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 04, 2009
From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Gang, Booked my room today.=C2- Sept 16, leaving the 18th as I can't stay for t he races.=C2- Hampton Inn still has rooms.=C2- Enterprise has a 3 day m inimum at 99/day for cars.=C2- Only 25 allocated to CXP so don't delay. Craig --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Gary Moshluk wrote: From: Gary Moshluk <gmosh(at)charter.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:39 PM =0A=0A =0A =0A _filtered #yiv22398232 {=0Afont-family:Cambria Math;}=0A _fi ltered #yiv22398232 {=0Afont-family:Calibri;}=0A _filtered #yiv22398232 { =0Afont-family:Tahoma;}=0A _filtered #yiv22398232 {=0Afont-family:Verdana;} =0A _filtered #yiv22398232 {=0Afont-family:Consolas;}=0A _filtered #yiv2239 8232 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}=0A#yiv22398232 P.MsoNormal {=0AMARGI N:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yi v22398232 LI.MsoNormal {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman" , "serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yiv22398232 DIV.MsoNormal {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman", "serif";FONT-SIZE:12pt;}=0A#yiv22398232 A:link {=0ACOLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv22398232 SPAN.MsoHy perlink {=0ACOLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv22398232 A:visited {=0ACOLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv22398232 SPAN.MsoHyperl inkFollowed {=0ACOLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}=0A#yiv22398232 PRE {=0AMARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Courier New";FONT-SIZE:10pt;}=0A#yiv22 398232 SPAN.HTMLPreformattedChar {=0AFONT-FAMILY:"Consolas", "serif";}=0A#y iv22398232 SPAN.EmailStyle19 {=0AFONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";COLOR: #1f497d;}=0A#yiv22398232 .MsoChpDefault {=0AFONT-SIZE:10pt;}=0A#yiv22398232 DIV.Section1 {=0A}=0A=0AMy internet has been down for a few months and I d idn't get the date of =0Athis years fly in?=0A=0A ----- Original Message - ---- =0A From: =0A Robert S. Randazzo =0A To: commander-list(at)matronics.c om =0A =0A Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:23 =0A PM=0A Subject: RE: C ommander-List: Fly-In=0A =0A =0A Barry- =0A =C2- =0A I =0A live right up the road from Carso n City (Sparks, NV) so you will technically =0A be a guest of those of us who live here.=C2- I=99m not sure what your schedule =0A is like- but if you have time you really should get up to Reno to see the US =0A Na tional Championship Air Races at KRTS (formerly 4SD) airport.=C2- The =0A races will be taking place at the same time as the fly-in so it conflicts a =0A bit- but the theme is similar!=C2- If you=99d like any sugg estions for other =0A things to do while visiting the Great State of Nevad a, please let me =0A know! =0A =C2- =0A I=99m =0A going to mak e every effort to get down to Carson to see you all face to face =0A final ly- but I own a team that races each September- and I tend to be =9Cb usy as =0A a one legged man in an ***-kicking contest=9D during that week of the =0A year=C2- =0A =C2- =0A I =0A will try to bring N414C down to Carson so you guys can see the refit she came =0A thr ough.=C2- They close KRTS for traffic during the races so it will take =0A some pre-planning I=99ll keep you posted =0A =C2- =0A Robert =0A S. Randazzo =0A N414C =0A =C2- =0A =0A =0A From: =0A owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A [mailto:owner-co mmander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry =0A Collman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: Commander-List: =0A Fly-In =0A =C2- =0A =0A Hi =0A All, =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A Well, =0A my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa =0A Application has been approved. =0A =0A So, I'm all set =0A to go! =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A Who else will b e =0A attending? =0A =0A =C2- =0A =0A Best =0A Regards, =0A =0A B arry =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://f orums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 05, 2009
Hi Barry, Look forward to catching up in September!! Ryan and I will be attending...bookings and flights locked in. Buddy Wyndham will also be attending, and asked me to pass on advanced notice of his intentions! (Buddy no longer monitors this email string). Cheers from Oz Russell ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: West Jet Airlines
Date: Aug 04, 2009
You've got to love the Canadian sense of humour. West Jet is based in Calgary, Alberta. It's flight attendants are famous for trying to make the in-flight safety lecture and pre-flight announcements more entertaining. Here are recent examples: On West Jet flights there's no assigned seating. You sit where you want. Passengers were having a hard time choosing seats when a flight attendant announced, "People, people we're not picking out furniture here. Find a seat and get in it!" ----------------------- On another flight featuring a senior crew of attendants, the pilot announced, "Ladies and gentlemen, we've reached cruising altitude. We'll be turning down the lights both for your comfort and to enhance the appearance of the cabin crew." ------------------------ On landing, an attendant said, "Please be sure to take all of your belongings with you. If you're going to leave anything, make sure it's something we'd like to have." ------------------------ "There may be 50 ways to leave your lover, but there are only 4 ways out of this airplane." ----------------------- "Thank you for flying West Jet Express. We hope you enjoyed giving us the business as much as we enjoyed taking you for a ride." --------------------------- As the plane landed and was coming to a stop at the Vancouver airport, a lone voice came over the loudspeaker: "Whoa, big fella. WHOA!" ------------------------- After a particularly rough landing during thunderstorms in Ontario, a flight attendant on a West Jet flight announced, "Please take care when opening the overhead compartments. After a landing like that, everything sure as hell shifted." ----------------------- From a West Jet employee: "Welcome aboard West Jet Flight 245 to Calgary. To operate your seat belt, insert the metal tab into the buckle and pull it tight. You'll find that it works just like every other seat belt. However, if you don't know how to operate one, you probably shouldn't be out in public unsupervised." --------------------- "In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, masks will descend from the ceiling. Stop screaming, grab the mask, and pull it over your face. If you're traveling with a small child, secure your mask before assisting with theirs. If you're traveling with more than one child, pick your favorite." ----------------------- "The weather at our destination is 50 degrees with broken clouds. We'll try to have them fixed before we arrive. Remember, nobody loves you or your money more than West Jet Airlines." ------------------------ "Your seat cushions can be used for flotation. In the event of an emergency landing, please paddle to shore and take them with our compliments." ----------------------- "As you exit the plane, make sure to gather all of your belongings. Anything left behind will be distributed evenly among the flight attendants. Please do not leave children or spouses." --------------------------- And from the pilot during his welcome message: "West Jet Airlines is pleased to announce that we have some of the best flight attendants in the industry. Unfortunately, none of them are on this flight!" ----------------------------- Heard on West Jet Airlines just after a very hard landing in Edmonton; The flight attendant came on the intercom and said, "That was quite a bump, and I know what y'all are thinking. I'm here to tell you it wasn't the airline's fault, it wasn't the pilot's fault, it wasn't the flight attendant's fault, it was the asphalt." ------------------------------ Overheard on a West Jet Airlines flight into Regina on a particularly windy and bumpy day: During the final approach, the Captain was really having to fight it. After an extremely hard landing, the Flight Attendant said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Regina. Please remain in your seats with your seat belts fastened while the Captain taxis what's left of our airplane to the gate!" ------------------------------ Another flight attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing: "We ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the terminal." --------------------- An airline pilot wrote that on this particular flight he had hammered his ship into the runway really hard. The airline had a policy which required the first officer to stand at the door while the Passengers exited, smile, and give them a "Thanks for flying our airline." He said that, in light of his bad landing, he had a hard time looking the passengers in the eye, thinking that someone would have a smart comment. Finally everyone had gotten off except for a little old lady walking with a cane. She said, "Sir, do you mind if I ask you a question?" "Why, no, Ma'am," said the pilot. "What is it?" The little old lady said, "Did we land, or were we shot down?" ------------------- After a real crusher of a landing in Halifax, the attendant came on with, "Ladies and Gentlemen, please remain in your seats until Captain Crash and the Crew have brought the aircraft to a screeching halt against the gate. And, once the tire smoke has cleared and the warning bells are silenced, we will open the door and you can pick your way through the wreckage to the terminal." ----------------------- Part of a flight attendant's arrival announcement: "We'd like to thank you folks for flying with us today. And, the next time you get the insane urge to go blasting through the skies in a pressurized metal tube, we hope you'll think of West Jet Airways." ----------------------- Heard on a West Jet Airline flight. "Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to smoke, the smoking section on this airplane is on the wing. If you can light 'em, you can smoke 'em." ----------------------- A plane was taking off from the Winnipeg airport. After it reached a comfortable cruising altitude, the captain made this announcement. "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Flight Number 293, nonstop from Winnipeg to Montreal. The weather ahead is good and we should have a smooth and uneventful flight. Now sit back and relax... OH, MY GOD!!" Silence followed. Moments later, the captain returned to the radio and said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm sorry if I scared you earlier. While I was talking to you, the flight attendant spilled hot coffee on my lap. You should see the front of my pants!" A passenger yelled, "That's nothing! You should see the back of mine."-- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 05, 2009
Hi Gary, The Fly-In is September 16-20 at Carson City. A block of Rooms have been reserved at the Hampton Inn under the Twin Commander Flight Group ref TWI. Tel: (775) 885-8800. Also see http://204.8.124.244/index2.asp Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Moshluk To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:39 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In My internet has been down for a few months and I didn't get the date of this years fly in? ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fly-In Barry- I live right up the road from Carson City (Sparks, NV) so you will technically be a guest of those of us who live here. I'm not sure what your schedule is like- but if you have time you really should get up to Reno to see the US National Championship Air Races at KRTS (formerly 4SD) airport. The races will be taking place at the same time as the fly-in so it conflicts a bit- but the theme is similar! If you'd like any suggestions for other things to do while visiting the Great State of Nevada, please let me know! I'm going to make every effort to get down to Carson to see you all face to face finally- but I own a team that races each September- and I tend to be "busy as a one legged man in an ***-kicking contest" during that week of the year. I will try to bring N414C down to Carson so you guys can see the refit she came through. They close KRTS for traffic during the races so it will take some pre-planning. I'll keep you posted. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:49 AM To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi All, Well, my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa Application has been approved. So, I'm all set to go! Who else will be attending? Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 05, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
HI BARRY? I cant wait to see you at the flyin!!!!? On a biz note, the following airplanes have made their final flight.? A/C 560A, N2751B, S/N 251,.....? 560A N29MZ,..... 680, N1099V,...... 680, N87YA, S/N 515-184 AND 680E, N8489C, S/N 863-81.? Morris Kernick and I have moved these airplanes to their final resting place, the Ozark/Enterprise Community College.? They now have seven complete Aero Commanders in their A&P training program.? Only N8489C?and N29MZ were airframes that could ever have been returned to service.? The others had airframe issues that would have never allowed them to be restored.? N1099V used 47 (forty seven) quarts of oil in the 10.5 hour ferry flight!!? The last fueling stop took 19 quarts!!? It arrived safely.? You just got to love those old geared Lycs!!? jb? -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:48 am Subject: Commander-List: Fly-In Hi All, ? Well, my flights, car rental and hotel are all booked and my on-line US Visa Application has been approved. So, I'm all set to go! ? Who else will be attending? ? Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Mid-Air collusion Today
Date: Aug 08, 2009
I comment on my blog on this today. <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/mid-air-collusion.html> TruthByRushDelivery ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: [TruthByRushDelivery] Space Video
Date: Aug 08, 2009
I watched a lot of NASA's video feed from Space Shuttle Endeavour and the International Space Station last week and edited some of the feed into a short video. I am a fool for speed, power, energy, altitude, and a vista of creation. TruthByRushDelivery <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/space-video_08.html> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: [TruthByRushDelivery] Space Video
Date: Aug 09, 2009
Thanks Nico for the putting the video together. Really festinating to watch..!! Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:23 PM Subject: Commander-List: [TruthByRushDelivery] Space Video I watched a lot of NASA's video feed from Space Shuttle Endeavour and the International Space Station last week and edited some of the feed into a short video. I am a fool for speed, power, energy, altitude, and a vista of creation. TruthByRushDelivery <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/space-video_08.html> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "steven" <steve2(at)sover.net>
Subject: Re: Mid-Air collusion Today
Date: Aug 10, 2009
Nico! The blog is a great idea! I must have missed you posting about it. I've got to thin all the junk email I receive. I'm looking forward to reading what you've said. I can argue there, instead of here, but from the little bit I did read there wasn't 'nuthin to argue about yet! People die and are crippled right and left in our neighborhoods, but some poor shmuck goes splat in a Cherokee somewhere and its national news for days. Been like that for as long as I can remember. That corridor requires a very high level of attention. You self-announce position reports, but if you're not familiar with the area you don't know where the copter pilots are talking about. I always get a kick out of the copters calling out at the tunnel! Our traffic scope looks like a game of asteroids through there. steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list(at)matronics.com ; rocket-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Mid-Air collusion Today I comment on my blog on this today. TruthByRushDelivery ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Shuttling the Shuttle
Date: Aug 10, 2009
Today's post on my blog. TruthByRushDelivery <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/shuttling-shuttle.html> Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot. Forwarded by Tyler Hall. Thanks, Tyler. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 10, 2009
Subject: Re: Shuttling the Shuttle
Good Morning All, I have read this one before. I do not believe it is a true statement of fact. I cannot believe that any responsible party would plan a flight with as little margin as is stated by the author. Either he enjoys pulling people's legs or he is lying through his teeth! The 747 shuttle carrier is a draggy machine, but it still obeys the laws of physics. Anything that was as critical as he has stated would be considered a careless and/or reckless operation. Even in the fog of war, aviators do not cut things that close and I am certain the space program would have much better safety margins than were used during that big war. Sounds exciting, but it smells bad to me! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/10/2009 3:35:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot. Forwarded by Tyler Hall. Thanks, Tyler. ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Aug 10, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Hi Folks, We're getting REALLY excited about this year's fly-in ad hopefully you are too.? Wanted to bring up a few items in preparation for the Fly-In.? 1.? The August 17th deadline for booking your hotel room is fast approaching so if you're planning on attending please make sure you get your room reserved.? Also, they only have a small number of rental cars availble so you should also make your reservation with Enterprise.? 2.? In addition, we have heard several people mention they are attending, but we have not received registration forms from everyone.? This is also important as it helps us plan the numbers to give to the caterers to insure we have the right amount of food.? 3.? If you have any recommended changes to the Membership/Vendor directory please get those to us immediately so we can make revisions for this year's printing.? Can't wait to hear everyone's Commander tails.? I have several to tell myself having just finished delivering 5 AeroCommanders (most of them had not flown for several years) to an A&P school in Alabama.? Definitely some drama involved including hitting a deer on a landing in Arkansas and?damaging the nose gear (YeeHaw!!!!!!).? Way glad I was in a Commander rather than some small airplane or I might not be here to tell the story and the airplane definitely would have ended up in a scrap heap somewhere rather than being fixed and flown on to the final destination.??? Good to know that airpanes that may have been parted out will now live on to teach young students for many years how to maintain airplanes, especially about hydraulics which is why they wanted Commanders.? ~jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com>
Subject: Shuttling the Shuttle
Date: Aug 10, 2009
Ol' Bob- Boy am I glad to see this didn't pass your sniff test either. Puts me in good company. It struck me as if this fellow was a "guest pilot" on the shuttle carrier- which would be impossibly foolish from a risk mitigation standpoint. His wonderment at the small margins and the heft of things just doesn't "ring true" to my ears. The empty weight of Shuttle Endeavor is 151,207lbs. so I'm figuring that the shuttle carrier winds up with a zero fuel weight of around 500,000lbs. I know they make fuel stops to conserve on weight- but if you figure they loaded enough fuel in the airplane just to run it Tank-To-Engine you'd only be pushing about 600,000lbs- well below the certificated max takeoff weight. Granted- you have quite a bit of extra drag to overcome- but the orbiter is not deadweight because it has a lifting wing- so you'd just have phenomenal fuel burn but not much of a weight problem. Perhaps we're both all wet- but my sniff on this smelled like something was rotten. Makes for an entertaining read, however! Robert Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shuttling the Shuttle Good Morning All, I have read this one before. I do not believe it is a true statement of fact. I cannot believe that any responsible party would plan a flight with as little margin as is stated by the author. Either he enjoys pulling people's legs or he is lying through his teeth! The 747 shuttle carrier is a draggy machine, but it still obeys the laws of physics. Anything that was as critical as he has stated would be considered a careless and/or reckless operation. Even in the fog of war, aviators do not cut things that close and I am certain the space program would have much better safety margins than were used during that big war. Sounds exciting, but it smells bad to me! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/10/2009 3:35:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes: Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot. Forwarded by Tyler Hall. Thanks, Tyler. _____ ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Date: Aug 12, 2009
Commanders, Yeah! also getting really excited to see you all, I have my hotel reservation and have sent my registration (with sweet spot for a box at Reno) through the snail mail (I was in Portland a couple of weeks ago, but could not escape to Washougal...) so expect my letter soon; however, for the car & plane reservations I'm not quite sure what to do. The usual dilemma: I'd rather of course get there hopping a ride on a AC ANYTIME! but I realize it's also a hauler... and IF I am able to do this dream flight on a Commander (of course helping with the gas and OIL!) but I know my chances are very slim... well I would rent a car from Carson City and not from Reno or even considering Sacramento... SO: do any of you east coaster or mid wester are considering flying in with your tough birds? if so, would you be willing to pick up a passenger at KTDZ? that's Toledo, Ohio...? I can also drive towards Michigan, Cleveland, or Philli, or Chicago and catch the ride there, I'm up for ANYTHING, as long as I have a slim chance to hop on a Commander and revive my childhood... Anyways, just like I said a year ago, no matter how I'll get there, I'll be there! I had such a blast, I won't miss for nothing! I'm glad I'm recognizing those threatening to show up! we'll bring the camera! saludos, p. -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257430#257430 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: [TruthByRushDelivery] We, the prophets
Date: Aug 13, 2009
A Speech I gave to a Toastmasters Club on Tuesday. TruthByRushDelivery <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/we-prophets.html> Thanks Nico ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Fw: FAASafety.gov - Fly The New York VFR Corridor Safely!
Date: Aug 13, 2009
----- Original Message ----- From: FAASafety.gov<mailto:announce(at)faasafety.gov> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: FAASafety.gov - Fly The New York VFR Corridor Safely! A new event has been scheduled that meets your notification criteria on FAASafety.gov<http://faasafety.gov/>. Following is a brief overview of the event: "Fly The New York VFR Corridor Safely!" Topic: Rules and Best Practices for Navigating the NY VFR Corridor On Tuesday, August 18, 2009 at 7:30 PM Location: Three Wing Flying Service 400 Great Meadow Rd. Stratford, CT 06615 Select Number: EA6326834 Description: FAASTeam Rep. Doug Stewart, with the support of FAASTeam Reps. David Faile and Jared Gowlis present this timely program. Whether it's you're first time flying the NY VFR corridor, or you've flown it many times, this presentation will enlighten you on the risks and the beautiful sights along the way. Learn all the important reporting points, safe altitudes, where and how the helicopters operate, and proper frequencies. To view further details and registration information for this event, click here<http://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/event_details.aspx?eid=26834>. The sponsor for this event is: FAASTeam and EA63 FSDO The following credit(s) are available for the WINGS/AMT Programs: KEB 1.00 Click here to view the WINGS help page<http://www.faasafety.gov/WINGS/pub/icon_legend_help.aspx> Start FAASTeam CFI Workshops any time! Find Workshop #4 in SPANS. FAASafety.gov<http://www.faasafety.gov/> | Email Preferences<http://www.faasafety.gov/Users/pub/preferences.aspx> | Opt Out<http://www.faasafety.gov/users/pub/optout.aspx?uuid=C451B30D-462F-4 464-982F-92EEE3D41430> Do not reply to this email as it is an unmonitored mailbox. Contact us<http://www.faasafety.gov/about/contact.aspx> for comments or questions. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FW: [TruthByRushDelivery] Liberal Activism?
Date: Aug 15, 2009
Interesting video clip I found. TruthByRushDelivery <http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/liberal-activism.html> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: wet pump vs. dry
Date: Aug 16, 2009
Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speaking, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the right engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Extreme Golf: requires a helicopter to play all holes
Date: Aug 16, 2009
I haven't been there (yet) although I know the area fairly well (before 1993). This will be on our agenda the next time we go to South Africa. See my blog at http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/extreme-golf.html> TruthByRushDelivery ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: wet pump vs. dry
Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Stay with the wet pump.? They are much more reliable and last much longer.? Also, there is no approved replacement for your application.? On another note, what propellers do you have??? I have a pair of "MV" propellers that I believe will fit your airplane.? No AD inspection.? They are like new and have about 200hr since O/H with new hubs, clamps and bearings.? ? jb -----Original Message----- From: Gary Moshluk <gmosh(at)charter.net> Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:38 am Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety.? A rebuild of?my recently failed?wet pump was quoted at $800.00.??Relatively speaking, a?brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain?@ $500.00 ? My?vac unit?for the left engine is mounted?on the bottom end of a?"T"?which also drives?the hydraulic pump.??I'm considering?swapping the wet pump?off the right engine?-which is mounted directly to the accessory case -?and replace that pump with the dry unit.? By mounting the dry pump on the right engine it would?attach to the back of the engine?in the conventional manner. ? Comments? Recommendations...My?Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines ? Gary? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: wet pump vs. dry
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens when shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Gary Moshluk Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speaking, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the right engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject:
Date: Aug 17, 2009
all=2C i have parts left over. tach cable=2C full set of kennon sun shiel ds=2C kennon cockpit cover=2C strow away tray table=2C turbo hose set=2Clua l belt pully=2C set of jack pads=2C main gear seal/gasket set p/n 400-139. fairly priced (ie make offer) fob fort worth. gmc ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: mander-List:
Date: Aug 17, 2009
What is happening to the airplane? Tylor Hall On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:17 PM, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote: > all, i have parts left over. tach cable, full set of kennon sun > shields, kennon cockpit cover, strow away tray table, turbo hose > set,lual belt pully, set of jack pads, main gear seal/gasket set p/n > 400-139. fairly priced (ie make offer) fob fort worth. gmc > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "L D Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Mason; I'm not sure will the kennon sun shields and the strow away tray table work in my 560E, if so what are you asking for these. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: MASON CHEVAILLIER To: commander-list Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Commander-List: all, i have parts left over. tach cable, full set of kennon sun shields, kennon cockpit cover, strow away tray table, turbo hose set,lual belt pully, set of jack pads, main gear seal/gasket set p/n 400-139. fairly priced (ie make offer) fob fort worth. gmc ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/17/09 06:08:00 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Marine humor
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Enjoy a little lightheartedness to perk up your day. :-) TruthByRushDelivery http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/bit-of-marine-humor.html> ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Aug 17, 2009
tt=2C salvage. gmc From: tylorhall(at)mac.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Date: Mon=2C 17 Aug 2009 15:14:45 -0600 What is happening to the airplane? Tylor Hall On Aug 17=2C 2009=2C at 2:17 PM=2C MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote: all=2C i have parts left over. tach cable=2C full set of kennon sun shiel ds=2C kennon cockpit cover=2C strow away tray table=2C turbo hose set=2Clua l belt pully=2C set of jack pads=2C main gear seal/gasket set p/n 400-139. fairly priced (ie make offer) fob fort worth. gmc href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject:
Date: Aug 17, 2009
Hello All, Well it looks like unless a real miracle comes along I will need to sell N444BD. I really hate to because I have had it since 01APR1981. We have been through a lot together and it has always gotten me out of any trouble I got it into. Jim Addington 940 382 3150 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 17, 2009
From: willis robison <drwer2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: STC's for IO-540
Has anyone STC'd- IO-540's onto a 560 or 680?- Are there any companies capable? - thanks - bud=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: PROPS
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers.? I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!!? Good condition.? I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N)?and clamps.? Like new.? They are all?for sale.? Interested??? jb@360-903-6901.? See ya at the fly-in!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re:
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sorry to hear that Jim!!!? Praying for that miracle for you.? Any chance you'll be coming to the Fly-In this year?? Best Regards, ~Jim & Sue -----Original Message----- From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 5:56 pm Subject: Commander-List: Hello All, Well it looks like unless a real miracle comes along I will need to sell N444BD. I really hate to because I have had it since 01APR1981. We have been through a lot together and it has always gotten me out of any trouble I got it into. Jim Addington 940 382 3150 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: mander-List:
Date: Aug 18, 2009
I wish I could but right now I don't see any way. I always take all the prayers I can get, thanks. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sorry to hear that Jim!!! Praying for that miracle for you. Any chance you'll be coming to the Fly-In this year?? Best Regards, ~Jim & Sue -----Original Message----- From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 5:56 pm Subject: Commander-List: Hello All, Well it looks like unless a real miracle comes along I will need to sell N444BD. I really hate to because I have had it since 01APR1981. We have been through a lot together and it has always gotten me out of any trouble I got it into. Jim Addington 940 382 3150 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 18, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: STC's for IO-540
willis robison wrote: > Has anyone STC'd IO-540's onto a 560 or 680? > Unfortunately, no. Looked into this topic at length back when I was a Commander owner. Actually had an IO-540K 300hp mounted up to a 560 nacelle for a test fit. It requires a custom dynafocal mount to be fabricated and you'd need a compact hub Hartzel with the hub extension (like an Aztec uses) to make it work. I did a little market research back then and couldn't find enough interested people to justify the expense of producing a package. cs ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: wet pump vs. dry
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Garry, I can only echo Moe's recommendation 110%, stay as far away from carbon vane dry pumps as you can, not only a high propensity to failure, but they "fail hard", seemingly at random, no gradual loss of vacuum. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens when shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Gary Moshluk <mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speaking, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the right engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 18, 2009
Subject: Re: wet pump vs. dry
Good Evening Bill, Interesting conversation concerning vacuum pumps. Personally, I like the dry pumps. They are lighter cheaper, and do not throw oil all over the bel ly or nacelle as the case may be. Properly set up wet pumps with a good oil separator can run reasonably clean, but most are rather dirty. The dry pumps can be monitored and, if changed when they start to throw carbon, can have quite high reliability numbers. When mounted on a twin, the reliability is excellent. If you need a pneumatic system to operate boots, that is another story, but I really lik e being all electric! On my own airplane, I have eliminated all of the pneumatic instruments and gone all electric. Vacuum instruments are, very truthfully, World War One technology. They were bordering on antiquity by WWII. I do not have any knowledge about certification problems with Commanders, but, for most aircraft, going all electric is easy. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Downers Grove, Illinois LL22 In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes: Garry, I can only echo Moe=99s recommendation 110%, stay as far away from carbon vane dry pumps as you can, not only a high propensity to failure, but the y =9C fail hard=9D, seemingly at random, no gradual loss of vacuum. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rossp istons Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens wh en shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: _Gary Moshluk_ (mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net) Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speakin g, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the rig ht engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: wet pump vs. dry
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Hello, Bob, I certainly agree about dirty bellies (free corrosion proofing) and if it was a one very careful owner/operator, maybe, but our stats. are pretty conclusive. At least with any Commander, not too much of a problem getting at the underside of the engine cowls. I have oil/air separators, and the modified breathers, because of the Cleveland brakes. As for your other comments, more than a grain of truth, and on my 500A, I have done serious surgery on the instruments, so that I have a split between electric and vacuum instruments. The main AI is 115/400 from a large inverter, with a standby inverter just big enough to run the AI only, there is a 2.5 inch standby AI on 28v dc from a hot battery bus (only a cb, not through the electrical master) and a 28v DC turn and slip, off a main bus. The CDI is a Collins PN 101, also running the RMI and the A/P heading. On the right side, the vacuum AI is connected to the Century 111, so I=99m not normally looking at the same attitude indication as the auto-pilot, and there is a vacuum DG for anybody flying from the right seat --- which has full panel except for the bat and ball. Bottom line, I have to lose both alternators, both vacuum pumps and run the batteries (Hawker Power Cells) flat to not have at least one AI. I am really looking forward to getting the old girl back in the air. Cheers, Bill Hamilton PS: I am hoping to be able to mount the main inverter, a big sod, weights about 28 lbs., far enough back that I can fly two up without ballast in the baggage locker, they all go better if you can keep close to the aft CG. I am also looking at a field mod to use auto HID lights for the landing lights, then I can have real flamethrowers, without temperature/overheating worries ------ you never know what wildlife =93 two or four legs --- you are likely to find, some of the place I go. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Good Evening Bill, Interesting conversation concerning vacuum pumps. Personally, I like the dry pumps. They are lighter cheaper, and do not throw oil all over the belly or nacelle as the case may be. Properly set up wet pumps with a good oil separator can run reasonably clean, but most are rather dirty. The dry pumps can be monitored and, if changed when they start to throw carbon, can have quite high reliability numbers. When mounted on a twin, the reliability is excellent. If you need a pneumatic system to operate boots, that is another story, but I really like being all electric! On my own airplane, I have eliminated all of the pneumatic instruments and gone all electric. Vacuum instruments are, very truthfully, World War One technology. They were bordering on antiquity by WWII. I do not have any knowledge about certification problems with Commanders, but, for most aircraft, going all electric is easy. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Downers Grove, Illinois LL22 In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes: Garry, I can only echo Moe=99s recommendation 110%, stay as far away from carbon vane dry pumps as you can, not only a high propensity to failure, but they =9Cfail hard=9D, seemingly at random, no gradual loss of vacuum. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens when shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Gary Moshluk <mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speaking, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the right engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n _____ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: wet pump vs. dry
Date: Aug 18, 2009
A very interesting conversation. I would love to go all electric, although I have boots on my 500B. They're shot, and I need new ones. I will get them, as I consider them valuable emergency equipment. I don't have much problem with oil on the nacelles etc. and would keep my wet pumps anyway since they rarely (and almost never catastrophically) fail. Actually, though, what this tells me is that I REALLY need to meet Old Bob & Bill Hamilton sometime soon and really keep my ears open. At 41, I will certainly be finished flying before I learn all the things that you two have forgotten already. It would be quite a treat to listen to the two of you having a conversation. Any chance you can make it to Reno, CA USA for the Commander fly-in? I'll have cold beer waiting! Ilinois is close enough....Bill, you're in Australia, right? Perhaps Russell or Richard can pack you with them when they come? Cheers, /John _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Hello, Bob, I certainly agree about dirty bellies (free corrosion proofing) and if it was a one very careful owner/operator, maybe, but our stats. are pretty conclusive. At least with any Commander, not too much of a problem getting at the underside of the engine cowls. I have oil/air separators, and the modified breathers, because of the Cleveland brakes. As for your other comments, more than a grain of truth, and on my 500A, I have done serious surgery on the instruments, so that I have a split between electric and vacuum instruments. The main AI is 115/400 from a large inverter, with a standby inverter just big enough to run the AI only, there is a 2.5 inch standby AI on 28v dc from a hot battery bus (only a cb, not through the electrical master) and a 28v DC turn and slip, off a main bus. The CDI is a Collins PN 101, also running the RMI and the A/P heading. On the right side, the vacuum AI is connected to the Century 111, so I'm not normally looking at the same attitude indication as the auto-pilot, and there is a vacuum DG for anybody flying from the right seat --- which has full panel except for the bat and ball. Bottom line, I have to lose both alternators, both vacuum pumps and run the batteries (Hawker Power Cells) flat to not have at least one AI. I am really looking forward to getting the old girl back in the air. Cheers, Bill Hamilton PS: I am hoping to be able to mount the main inverter, a big sod, weights about 28 lbs., far enough back that I can fly two up without ballast in the baggage locker, they all go better if you can keep close to the aft CG. I am also looking at a field mod to use auto HID lights for the landing lights, then I can have real flamethrowers, without temperature/overheating worries ------ you never know what wildlife - two or four legs --- you are likely to find, some of the place I go. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Good Evening Bill, Interesting conversation concerning vacuum pumps. Personally, I like the dry pumps. They are lighter cheaper, and do not throw oil all over the belly or nacelle as the case may be. Properly set up wet pumps with a good oil separator can run reasonably clean, but most are rather dirty. The dry pumps can be monitored and, if changed when they start to throw carbon, can have quite high reliability numbers. When mounted on a twin, the reliability is excellent. If you need a pneumatic system to operate boots, that is another story, but I really like being all electric! On my own airplane, I have eliminated all of the pneumatic instruments and gone all electric. Vacuum instruments are, very truthfully, World War One technology. They were bordering on antiquity by WWII. I do not have any knowledge about certification problems with Commanders, but, for most aircraft, going all electric is easy. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Downers Grove, Illinois LL22 In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes: Garry, I can only echo Moe's recommendation 110%, stay as far away from carbon vane dry pumps as you can, not only a high propensity to failure, but they "fail hard", seemingly at random, no gradual loss of vacuum. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens when shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Gary <mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net> Moshluk Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speaking, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the right engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== _____ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: willis robison <drwer2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: STC for IO-540 conversion
Thanks Chris, - Well, we may have to consider it if we ever lose the IGO-540s.- Although I wouldnt go into producing the mounts, I would provide the drawings, grati s for those who also needed a conversion. - wer=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
willis robison wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > Well, we may have to consider it if we ever lose the IGO-540s. > Although I wouldnt go into producing the mounts, I would provide the > drawings, gratis for those who also needed a conversion. > A good starting point might be to find a Cherokee-6/300 in a bone yard. You'd at least have the correct engine and a mount that could be modified. There was also a company that had an stc to put TIO-540-J2BD 350hp engines on the flat nacelle Commanders. I assume they built their own mount and it might be closer to what's needed. Anyone know for sure how much the firewall mount points differ between a bathtub and streamline Commander? chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Subject: Re: wet pump vs. dry
Good Morning John, Thank you for the very kind words. I have tried to fit a Commander meeting into my schedule. So far, other commitments have kept me away. Haven't flown a Commander for over forty years, but I really enjoyed the early ones. Being a Beech dealer in the sixties and seventies cut into my Commander flying, but the memories have always held tight to my heart. Thanks again and I am sure you will have a blast. Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 12:17:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, john(at)vormbaum.com writes: A very interesting conversation. I would love to go all electric, althoug h I have boots on my 500B. They're shot, and I need new ones. I will get them, as I consider them valuable emergency equipment. I don't have much problem with oil on the nacelles etc. and would keep my wet pumps anyway since they rarely (and almost never catastrophically) fail. Actually, though, what this tells me is that I REALLY need to meet Old Bo b & Bill Hamilton sometime soon and really keep my ears open. At 41, I will certainly be finished flying before I learn all the things that you two have forgotten already. It would be quite a treat to listen to the two of you having a conversation. Any chance you can make it to Reno, CA USA for the Commander fly-in? I'll have cold beer waiting! Ilinois is close enough....Bill, you're in Australia, right? Perhaps Russell or Richard can pack you with them when they come? Cheers, /John ____________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hami lton Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Hello, Bob, I certainly agree about dirty bellies (free corrosion proofing) and if it was a one very careful owner/operator, maybe, but our stats. are pretty conclusive. At least with any Commander, not too much of a problem gettin g at the underside of the engine cowls. I have oil/air separators, and the modified breathers, because of the Cleveland brakes. As for your other comments, more than a grain of truth, and on my 500A, I have done serious surgery on the instruments, so that I have a split between electric and vacuum instruments. The main AI is 115/400 from a large inverter, with a standby inverter jus t big enough to run the AI only, there is a 2.5 inch standby AI on 28v dc from a hot battery bus (only a cb, not through the electrical master) and a 28v DC turn and slip, off a main bus. The CDI is a Collins PN 101, also running the RMI and the A/P heading. On the right side, the vacuum AI is connected to the Century 111, so I=99m not normally looking at the same attitude indication as the auto-pilot, and there is a vacuum DG for anybody flying from the right seat --- which has full panel except for the bat and ball . Bottom line, I have to lose both alternators, both vacuum pumps and run the batteries (Hawker Power Cells) flat to not have at least one AI. I am really looking forward to getting the old girl back in the air. Cheers, Bill Hamilton PS: I am hoping to be able to mount the main inverter, a big sod, weights about 28 lbs., far enough back that I can fly two up without ballast in the baggage locker, they all go better if you can keep close to the aft CG. I am also looking at a field mod to use auto HID lights for the landing lights, then I can have real flamethrowers, without temperature/overheati ng worries ------ you never know what wildlife =93 two or four legs -- - you are likely to find, some of the place I go. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@ aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Good Evening Bill, Interesting conversation concerning vacuum pumps. Personally, I like the dry pumps. They are lighter cheaper, and do not throw oil all over the be lly or nacelle as the case may be. Properly set up wet pumps with a good oil separator can run reasonably clean, but most are rather dirty. The dry pumps can be monitored and, if changed when they start to throw carbon, can have quite high reliability numbers. When mounted on a twin, the reliability is excellent. If you nee d a pneumatic system to operate boots, that is another story, but I really li ke being all electric! On my own airplane, I have eliminated all of the pneumatic instruments an d gone all electric. Vacuum instruments are, very truthfully, World War One technology. They were bordering on antiquity by WWII. I do not have any knowledge about certification problems with Commanders, but, for most aircraft, going all electric is easy. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Downers Grove, Illinois LL22 In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes: Garry, I can only echo Moe=99s recommendation 110%, stay as far away from carbon vane dry pumps as you can, not only a high propensity to failure, but the y =9C fail hard=9D, seemingly at random, no gradual loss of vacuum. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rossp istons Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens whe n shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: _Gary Moshluk_ (mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net) Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speakin g, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the rig ht engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? Recommendations...My Commander is a straight 560 with GO-480B engines Gary href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ======================== =========== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ======================== =========== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======================== =========== ____________________________________ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ======================== ============ ======================== ============ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ======================== ============ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: STC's for IO-540
Date: Aug 19, 2009
I found no STC'd examples of a 560 series or 680 series Commanders with IO-540's. I did find that the factory tested a fuel-injected GSO-480 on a 680 and an IGSO-540 on it after conversion to a 680E. Later, on another 680E, STC SA439WE was granted for installation of IGSO-480's. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: willis robison To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:13 AM Subject: Commander-List: STC's for IO-540 Has anyone STC'd IO-540's onto a 560 or 680? Are there any companies capable? thanks bud ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
Good Morning Chris, You already know I am an unabashed lover of the Continental IO-550-B. I have always thought that the 550 would be a natural to replace the Continentals that were used in a few Commander 500-A's many years ago. How much difference is there between the mounts for Commanders with IO-470-M Continentals and the ones with Lycomings? I am not at all familiar with how the IO-470-M mounts. Is it the same as most 470s? If so, the 550 should be a drop in replacement. Always nice to have an engine with many users that is also in current production. Just musing, but that IS always fun. Now, if we could just get rid of the FAA ---?--- Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 7:55:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris willis robison wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > Well, we may have to consider it if we ever lose the IGO-540s. > Although I wouldnt go into producing the mounts, I would provide the > drawings, gratis for those who also needed a conversion. > A good starting point might be to find a Cherokee-6/300 in a bone yard. You'd at least have the correct engine and a mount that could be modified. There was also a company that had an stc to put TIO-540-J2BD 350hp engines on the flat nacelle Commanders. I assume they built their own mount and it might be closer to what's needed. Anyone know for sure how much the firewall mount points differ between a bathtub and streamline Commander? chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Subject: Re: wet pump vs. dry
Good Morning John, Another thought! Where are you located? You might consider flying your Commander to the Beech Party held each fall at Tullahoma, Tennessee. This year it is between the seventh and the eleventh of October. It is the yearly gathering of the flock for the Beech craft Heritage Museum. One of the prime movers of our group flys a Turbo Command er so you would not be all alone! Love to see you there. Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 12:17:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, john(at)vormbaum.com writes: A very interesting conversation. I would love to go all electric, althoug h I have boots on my 500B. They're shot, and I need new ones. I will get them, as I consider them valuable emergency equipment. I don't have much problem with oil on the nacelles etc. and would keep my wet pumps anyway since they rarely (and almost never catastrophically) fail. Actually, though, what this tells me is that I REALLY need to meet Old Bo b & Bill Hamilton sometime soon and really keep my ears open. At 41, I will certainly be finished flying before I learn all the things that you two have forgotten already. It would be quite a treat to listen to the two of you having a conversation. Any chance you can make it to Reno, CA USA for the Commander fly-in? I'll have cold beer waiting! Ilinois is close enough....Bill, you're in Australia, right? Perhaps Russell or Richard can pack you with them when they come? Cheers, /John ____________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hami lton Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Hello, Bob, I certainly agree about dirty bellies (free corrosion proofing) and if it was a one very careful owner/operator, maybe, but our stats. are pretty conclusive. At least with any Commander, not too much of a problem gettin g at the underside of the engine cowls. I have oil/air separators, and the modified breathers, because of the Cleveland brakes. As for your other comments, more than a grain of truth, and on my 500A, I have done serious surgery on the instruments, so that I have a split between electric and vacuum instruments. The main AI is 115/400 from a large inverter, with a standby inverter jus t big enough to run the AI only, there is a 2.5 inch standby AI on 28v dc from a hot battery bus (only a cb, not through the electrical master) and a 28v DC turn and slip, off a main bus. The CDI is a Collins PN 101, also running the RMI and the A/P heading. On the right side, the vacuum AI is connected to the Century 111, so I=99m not normally looking at the same attitude indication as the auto-pilot, and there is a vacuum DG for anybody flying from the right seat --- which has full panel except for the bat and ball . Bottom line, I have to lose both alternators, both vacuum pumps and run the batteries (Hawker Power Cells) flat to not have at least one AI. I am really looking forward to getting the old girl back in the air. Cheers, Bill Hamilton PS: I am hoping to be able to mount the main inverter, a big sod, weights about 28 lbs., far enough back that I can fly two up without ballast in the baggage locker, they all go better if you can keep close to the aft CG. I am also looking at a field mod to use auto HID lights for the landing lights, then I can have real flamethrowers, without temperature/overheati ng worries ------ you never know what wildlife =93 two or four legs -- - you are likely to find, some of the place I go. From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@ aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Good Evening Bill, Interesting conversation concerning vacuum pumps. Personally, I like the dry pumps. They are lighter cheaper, and do not throw oil all over the be lly or nacelle as the case may be. Properly set up wet pumps with a good oil separator can run reasonably clean, but most are rather dirty. The dry pumps can be monitored and, if changed when they start to throw carbon, can have quite high reliability numbers. When mounted on a twin, the reliability is excellent. If you nee d a pneumatic system to operate boots, that is another story, but I really li ke being all electric! On my own airplane, I have eliminated all of the pneumatic instruments an d gone all electric. Vacuum instruments are, very truthfully, World War One technology. They were bordering on antiquity by WWII. I do not have any knowledge about certification problems with Commanders, but, for most aircraft, going all electric is easy. Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Downers Grove, Illinois LL22 In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes: Garry, I can only echo Moe=99s recommendation 110%, stay as far away from carbon vane dry pumps as you can, not only a high propensity to failure, but the y =9C fail hard=9D, seemingly at random, no gradual loss of vacuum. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rossp istons Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Gary, Please stay with the wet pump. The dry pumps have a very high failure rate, whereas the wet pumps seem to last almost indefinitely. With the dry pumps you should never turn the prop backward (which sometimes happens whe n shutting the engine down) whereas, with the wet pumps it makes no difference. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: _Gary Moshluk_ (mailto:gmosh(at)charter.net) Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: wet pump vs. dry Has anyone switched from wet vacuum pumps to the dry variety. A rebuild of my recently failed wet pump was quoted at $800.00. Relatively speakin g, a brand new dry pump looks to be a bargain @ $500.00 My vac unit for the left engine is mounted on the bottom end of a "T" which also drives the hydraulic pump. I'm considering swapping the wet pump off the right engine -which is mounted directly to the accessory case - and replace that pump with the dry unit. By mounting the dry pump on the rig ht engine it would attach to the back of the engine in the conventional manner. Comments? 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Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: > How much difference is there between the mounts for Commanders with > IO-470-M Continentals and the ones with Lycomings? Howdy Bob. Actually, we're dealing with two different issues. The Commanders that had the 470's were 500A's. There is an existing STC (Colemill) to replace that with a 520, so the 550 should be trivial and would indeed make a fine airplane out of the A. Some A models were converted to B models with the 290hp 540's. They use the same mount points on the firewall, but a different bed mount of course. The big problem is the earlier bathtub nacelle commanders which all had geared lycomings. Totally different firewall, mount points, etc. Since the geared Lyc's are longer due to the gearbox, even the basic physical fit poses a problem. Since it's pretty much a "from scratch" install, there would be little difference in the effort required to put on either a 540 or a 550. I concur that the 550 would be an excellent choice although I would personally lean towards the 350hp 540-j2bd as a best fit for the commander. That airframe needs all the power you can bolt on it. (I bet we both agree on that :-) Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
Good Morning Chris, As usual, you have it all well thought through. That j2bd had me scared for a while, but since you AND George consider it a good engine, I would certainly agree. Just gotta run it right! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 9:10:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: > How much difference is there between the mounts for Commanders with > IO-470-M Continentals and the ones with Lycomings? Howdy Bob. Actually, we're dealing with two different issues. The Commanders that had the 470's were 500A's. There is an existing STC (Colemill) to replace that with a 520, so the 550 should be trivial and would indeed make a fine airplane out of the A. Some A models were converted to B models with the 290hp 540's. They use the same mount points on the firewall, but a different bed mount of course. The big problem is the earlier bathtub nacelle commanders which all had geared lycomings. Totally different firewall, mount points, etc. Since the geared Lyc's are longer due to the gearbox, even the basic physical fit poses a problem. Since it's pretty much a "from scratch" install, there would be little difference in the effort required to put on either a 540 or a 550. I concur that the 550 would be an excellent choice although I would personally lean towards the 350hp as a best 540-j2bd fit for the commander. That airframe needs all the power you can bolt on it. (I bet we both agree on that :-) Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 19, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: > That j2bd had me scared for a while, but since you AND George consider > it a good engine, I would certainly agree. Just gotta run it right! Yup, when they start pushing 300+hp out of a flat six, they do require a bit more attention from the operator and are far less tolerant of abuse. I've heard of of j2bd's run a full 2000 hours though and I think that's pretty impressive. Maybe I should hang a pair of 'em on my Aztruk :-) Bet it would go almost straight up! I'd love to hear your opinion of the TSIO-520K engines. I've had the opportunity to spend some time behind them, but the thought of 435hp out of 520 cid just makes me woozy.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 19, 2009
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
Good Afternoon Chris, I have never operated a pair of those engines, but we made a point of never buying an airplane for stock that was so equipped. No good data, just a bit afraid of the whole thing. Having said that, I keep dreaming about having a 550 cubic inch engine that was as efficient and RELIABLE as were our wonderful Turbo Compound Curtiss Wright 3350s. We pulled a very conservative 3250 HP out of them for takeoff, but I think some military versions took out as much as 3500 HP. That is OVER one HP per cubic inch. They were geared. My recollection is that the engine RPM was not over twenty-nine hundred. The weight was just over one pound per cubic inch. About 3550 if I recall correctly. Wouldn't it be nice to have a 550 cubic inch engine that weighed no more than 550 pounds and developed 500 HP. Seems like if those 1953 engineers could make it work, equally competent young folks should be able to do as well! The engine has a bad reputation, but I think the reputation is undeserved. When it was a first line engine, it was very reliable. When it was taken off the long hauls and moved to short range operations, reliability went to the dogs. We who flew it when it was new had the benefit of close scrutiny, guidance, and thorough training by Curtiss Wright's top engineers. When that engine was relegated to short haul, the pilots and flight engineers only got a three bounce check out and were on their way. Not fair to the engine or the crews at all! Heavily boosted and geared, I think we should be able to have a 550 to 600 pound engine that would deliver at least 500 HP. Unfortunately, the market does not seem big enough to attract the top line engineering talent it would require to make such an engine practical! Way off the subject I know, but I still dream! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 10:48:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: > That j2bd had me scared for a while, but since you AND George consider > it a good engine, I would certainly agree. Just gotta run it right! Yup, when they start pushing 300+hp out of a flat six, they do require a bit more attention from the operator and are far less tolerant of abuse. I've heard of of j2bd's run a full 2000 hours though and I think that's pretty impressive. Maybe I should hang a pair of 'em on my Aztruk :-) Bet it would go almost straight up! I'd love to hear your opinion of the TSIO-520K engines. I've had the opportunity to spend some time behind them, but the thought of 435hp out of 520 cid just makes me woozy.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: STC for IO-540 conversion
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Bob, I know of at least one 500A where IO-520s have been dropped in to replace the IO-470Ms. The change includes a three blade prop. I have been trying to get a straight answer from Hartzell as to whether I can run the extra 30hp through my existing two blade props. Two blades might not be as sexy as three, but the fewer the blades the greater efficiency, all else being equal, as a number of early C 310 owners have found, to their great expense. Spend all that money, and the aeroplane goes slower. Likewise, the potential for vibration couples from going to three blade props, again as some C310 owners have found out ---- in this case having to ditch the three blade props. As far as I can see, the IO-550 will drop in, with very minor modifications to the cowl for clearance. Our experience with the 520 is that cooling is no problem, the cowl gills have enough "latitude" to accommodate the small increase in high power cooling demand. A mate of mine is about to do a turbo-prop conversion to a C340A, which will leave a pair of TSIO-520 looking for a good home, I will be easily tempted. A ripper conversion is an IO-550 in a C-182, gives a whole meaning to "get up and go", and the conversion was easy. These have all been done to our equivalent of a filed mod., with a DER signoff. I note there is a AC680FPL with STC 400hp Lycomings on eBay right now. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B(at)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: STC for IO-540 conversion Good Morning Chris, You already know I am an unabashed lover of the Continental IO-550-B. I have always thought that the 550 would be a natural to replace the Continentals that were used in a few Commander 500-A's many years ago. How much difference is there between the mounts for Commanders with IO-470-M Continentals and the ones with Lycomings? I am not at all familiar with how the IO-470-M mounts. Is it the same as most 470s? If so, the 550 should be a drop in replacement. Always nice to have an engine with many users that is also in current production. Just musing, but that IS always fun. Now, if we could just get rid of the FAA ---?--- Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 7:55:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: willis robison wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > Well, we may have to consider it if we ever lose the IGO-540s. > Although I wouldnt go into producing the mounts, I would provide the > drawings, gratis for those who also needed a conversion. > A good starting point might be to find a Cherokee-6/300 in a bone yard. You'd at least have the correct engine and a mount that could be modified. There was also a company that had an stc to put TIO-540-J2BD 350hp engines on the flat nacelle Commanders. I assume they built their own mount and it might be closer to what's needed. Anyone know for sure how much the firewall mount points differ between a bathtub and streamline ============================================== - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS =============================================== - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== _____ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Subject: Re: STC for IO-540 conversion
Good Morning Bill, Totally agree about the two blade issue. I tried to get a two blade for my Bonanza when I installed my first IO-550-B. I was told by both Hartzell and McCauley that there was plenty of room on the Bonanza to swing a two blade that could easily absorb the three hundred plus horsepower. They didn't have any two blades approved for the installation because no one had asked for it. They told me (this was in 1996) that the minimum cha rge to run the certification data would be one hundred thousand dollars and that the test propellor would be junk. If something came up that had to be modified to get the approval, another one hundred thousand dollar test ru n would be needed. Obviously I am struggling along with three blade propell ors on all our 550s. An example of how well a two blade works at those horsepowers is the Malib u and Mirage. Piper kept testing various propellors and that relatively short, fat, two blade always made the best compromise between speed and climb performance. It wasn't until after the little German composite four blade became ubiquitous on the Malibu that Piper succumbed to getting a three blade approved. The only reason we are stuck with three blade props on the thre e to four hundred horsepower range is because people think they look sexy. You are probably aware that the Bonanza that is running around the country using a Duke engine sports a two blade much like the one on an early Malibu. That particular engine installation was done by Darryl Greenamyer with the after hour assistance of a team of Lockheed Skunk Works engineers. I think they knew what they were doing! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/20/2009 3:26:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes: Bob, I know of at least one 500A where IO-520s have been dropped in to replace the IO-470Ms. The change includes a three blade prop. I have been trying to get a straight answer from Hartzell as to whether I can run the extra 30h p through my existing two blade props. Two blades might not be as sexy as three, but the fewer the blades the greater efficiency, all else being eq ual, as a number of early C 310 owners have found, to their great expense. Spend all that money, and the aeroplane goes slower. Likewise, the potential for vibration couples from going to three blade props, again as some C310 owners have found out ---- in this case having to ditch the three blade props. As far as I can see, the IO-550 will drop in, with very minor modifications to the cowl for clearance. Our experience with the 520 is that cooling is no problem, the cowl gills have enough =9Clatitude=9D to acco mmodate the small increase in high power cooling demand. A mate of mine is about to do a turbo-prop conversion to a C340A, which will leave a pair of TSIO-520 look ing for a good home, I will be easily tempted. A ripper conversion is an IO-550 in a C-182, gives a whole meaning to =9Cget up and go=9D, and the conversion was easy. These have all been done to our equivalent of a filed mod., with a DER signoff. I note there is a AC680FPL with STC 400hp Lycomings on eBay right now. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@ aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:46 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: STC for IO-540 conversion Good Morning Chris, You already know I am an unabashed lover of the Continental IO-550-B. I have always thought that the 550 would be a natural to replace the Continentals that were used in a few Commander 500-A's many years ago. How much difference is there between the mounts for Commanders with IO-470-M Continentals and the ones with Lycomings? I am not at all familiar with how the IO-470-M mounts. Is it the same as most 470s? If so, the 550 should be a drop in replacement. Always nice to have an engine with many users that is also in current production. Just musing, but that IS always fun. Now, if we could just get rid of the FAA ---?--- Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/19/2009 7:55:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris willis robison wrote: > Thanks Chris, > > Well, we may have to consider it if we ever lose the IGO-540s. > Although I wouldnt go into producing the mounts, I would provide the > drawings, gratis for those who also needed a conversion. > A good starting point might be to find a Cherokee-6/300 in a bone yard. You'd at least have the correct engine and a mount that could be modified. There was also a company that had an stc to put TIO-540-J2BD 350hp engines on the flat nacelle Commanders. I assume they built their own mount and it might be closer to what's needed. 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From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject:
Date: Aug 20, 2009
jim addington please call mason 817-877-4977 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 20, 2009
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
Jim,Sue , Can you give me some info on the Fly=Inn reservations. I just may be able to get their this year. Thanks Gil In a message dated 6/12/2009 11:16:07 A.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi Kids, The registration packets for the Fly-In will be mailed to members this weekend. If you don't receive one and would like one, let us know and we'll be glad to mail it to you. As mentioned previously we will be in Carson City Nevada this year and will combine our Fly-in with the Reno Air Races. Because of this it is important that you book early as rooms and cars will go fast and if you wait until the last minute there may not be anything available. Tentative schedule for the event is as follows: Wednesday Arrival Day and Welcome Dinner Thursday Seminars and Awards Banquet Fri, Sat & Sun Attend Reno Air Races We have booked a box seat on the flght line at the races. Cost will be $325 per person for the entire race event and in addition to the box seat this includes daily parking, daily pit passes and allows us to bring in a couple of coolers each day. The box seat holds up to 15 people so we will need to have you reserve early so if needed we can obtain another box seat. You would also have the option of buying general admission or reserved bleacher seating. Looking forward to seeing you all at this event. Jim & Sue ____________________________________ Make your summer sizzle with _fast and easy recipes_ (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000003) for the grill. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: [TruthByRushDelivery] The Things We Know
Date: Aug 22, 2009
After almost a week of no-chance-to-write, I needed to share this with you all. Thanks Nico TruthByRushDelivery http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/i-havent-written-to-my-blo g-in-couple.html> ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Photo from CPS forum
From: "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Aug 24, 2009
***************************************************** -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259308#259308 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/13196_imgp3335small_576.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/13196_imgp3335small_945.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala(at)MSN.COM>
Subject:
Date: Aug 25, 2009
all=2C from 70QT I have two executive seats in grey leather. 7 place oxy gen units. 7 mae west life preservers. bendix king protable nav/com. mak e offer. gmc ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Photo from CPS forum
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Date: Aug 26, 2009
Hum... CPS forum... Cyber-Physical Systems? in SF? for some reasons all those Commanders lined up like that remind me more of Central Air Southwest in KS... what is/was it? -------- 560 Dreamer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259893#259893 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Fly-In
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Hi Guys, John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the following on his behalf. Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too! Best Regards, Barry Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage, I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he would get a chuckle. Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him. PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks. Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too. YOUR FRIEND, John Towner :-) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Guys, John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the following on his behalf. Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too! Best Regards, Barry Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage, I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he would get a chuckle. Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him. PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks. Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too. YOUR FRIEND, John Towner :-) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Hi Gil, Capt JimBob had reserved a block of rooms at the Hampton Inn, in Carson City (775) 885-8800, but a room had to be booked before August 17th, after which date they will have been released for general bookings. If you try to get the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) rate, quote them reference # TWI. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Guys, John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the following on his behalf. Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too! Best Regards, Barry Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage, I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he would get a chuckle. Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him. PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks. Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too. YOUR FRIEND, John Towner :-) t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 27, 2009
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Thanks Barry, I`ll give it a try. Gil In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:40:28 A.M. Central America Standard T, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Gil, Capt JimBob had reserved a block of rooms at the Hampton Inn, in Carson City (775) 885-8800, but a room had to be booked before August 17th, after which date they will have been released for general bookings. If you try to get the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) rate, quote them reference # TWI. Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: _WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com) Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T, _barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk_ (mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk) writes: Hi Guys, John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the following on his behalf. Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too! Best Regards, Barry Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage, I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he would get a chuckle. Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him. PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks. Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too. YOUR FRIEND, John Towner :-) t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: LFST
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
READ THIS FOLKS, AND RESPOND!!!!! jb -----Original Message----- From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36 pm Subject: Fwd: LFST Jim: Have you read about this? I received from Ken Hyde a series of articles regarding the government's intent to dismantle this historic & valuable Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel at great cost to the taxpayers. Maybe we should publish this on the Commander chat list to help get some support to oppose tearing down such a valuable asset? not only to aviation, but many other industries. Let me know what you think.? Morris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <KenWHyde(at)aol.com> Date: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM Subject: LFST ? The time has come for action! ? The Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel (LFST) is slated for destruction by NASA in 33 days, yet this national asset has valuable contributions to make to energy conservation at a time when this has become a pressing national priority. ? It does not have to be this way.? The wind tunnel belongs to the United States and its citizens.? We, the taxpayers, can have a say about the future of the tunnel.? ? Write or email your Congressmen and Senators today.?Write your thoughts to the WSJ Editor via web link.?Tell them that tearing down the tunnel now, while it is still operational, makes no sense and is a waste of taxpayer dollars.? ? Tell them American science and technology still needs the research the tunnel provides today and in the future.? ? Tell them that the educational training and hands on experience for the Old Dominion University and other aerospace engineering students that help keep the tunnel running is a resource we do not want to lose.? Students are attracted to the university precisely because of its access to this unique research facility. ? Tell them extensive and ongoing research conducted in this tunnel has pinpointed practical, affordable energy savings efforts totaling more than 1.5 billion gallons of petroleum fuels per year. And that's just the beginning. ? There is no pressing reason to destroy this incomparable research tool at this time.. There is every reason to keep it operating. ? Your actions can make a difference.? Forward this email to everyone you know.? Forward this link (page 1 Wall Street Journal article, video, and slideshow written by Barry Newman about the LFST on August 26, 2009). http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125124533797458837.html ? Help save the Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel! Please forward to all...we all lose if we cannot stop this! ? Ken W. Hyde, President The Wright Experience, Warrenton, VA 540/347-1909 ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Fwd: LFST
Date: Aug 27, 2009
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
I'm wondering how unvalued, unowned property that "produces" unowned, unvalued results with no competition or incentives to do it better can be described as "valuable". Are there other wind tunnels? Do they produce more or less value per data point? What is the bright line where $/data point goes from "valuable" to "waste of money?" Are the data points salable? Do they produce a profit or loss? Is there too much profit per data point? Too much loss? 1.5 billion gallons of petroleum per year seems significant. Is there some reason the beneficiaries of that savings aren't willing to fund their own savings? Is there some reason 1.5 billion gallons wouldn't be expressed in the normal 3.6 million barrels? That still seems significant. What is special about Old Dominion students vs. any other university or lab? Do the other students have to pay Old Dominion for access? Do discoveries belong to Old Dominion, their students, Langley, other students, their universities, or sponsoring organizations? Do they profit? Are they unwilling to pay? Will Old Dominion fail without this tunnel? Have they pursued other means of attracting students? How many students will go uneducated because they don't attend Old Dominion? Are there other alternatives? Who determines "pinpointed, practical, and affordable"? Is there a committee? Who is on the committee, and what are their qualifications, biases, and fiduciary responsibilities? How does one know that "American science and technology still needs the research the tunnel provides today and in the future"? If the outcome is known, doesn't it pretty much negate the point of research? Isn't it just as possible that American science and technology would be better off without the tunnel? If we can declare the relativity, can't we also just declare the result? Does historic = valuable? Many questions, Brock -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Thu 8/27/2009 7:09 PM Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: LFST READ THIS FOLKS, AND RESPOND!!!!! jb -----Original Message----- From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36 pm Subject: Fwd: LFST Jim: Have you read about this? I received from Ken Hyde a series of articles regarding the government's intent to dismantle this historic & valuable Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel at great cost to the taxpayers. Maybe we should publish this on the Commander chat list to help get some support to oppose tearing down such a valuable asset? not only to aviation, but many other industries. Let me know what you think.? Morris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <KenWHyde(at)aol.com> Date: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM Subject: LFST ? The time has come for action! ? The Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel (LFST) is slated for destruction by NASA in 33 days, yet this national asset has valuable contributions to make to energy conservation at a time when this has become a pressing national priority. ? It does not have to be this way.? The wind tunnel belongs to the United States and its citizens.? We, the taxpayers, can have a say about the future of the tunnel.? ? Write or email your Congressmen and Senators today.?Write your thoughts to the WSJ Editor via web link.?Tell them that tearing down the tunnel now, while it is still operational, makes no sense and is a waste of taxpayer dollars.? ? Tell them American science and technology still needs the research the tunnel provides today and in the future.? ? Tell them that the educational training and hands on experience for the Old Dominion University and other aerospace engineering students that help keep the tunnel running is a resource we do not want to lose.? Students are attracted to the university precisely because of its access to this unique research facility. ? Tell them extensive and ongoing research conducted in this tunnel has pinpointed practical, affordable energy savings efforts totaling more than 1.5 billion gallons of petroleum fuels per year. And that's just the beginning. ? There is no pressing reason to destroy this incomparable research tool at this time.. There is every reason to keep it operating. ? Your actions can make a difference.? Forward this email to everyone you know.? Forward this link (page 1 Wall Street Journal article, video, and slideshow written by Barry Newman about the LFST on August 26, 2009). http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125124533797458837.html ? Help save the Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel! Please forward to all...we all lose if we cannot stop this! ? Ken W. Hyde, President The Wright Experience, Warrenton, VA 540/347-1909 ? ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Photo from CPS forum
From: "N395V" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Aug 28, 2009
KC -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=260196#260196 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
The hotel is full, but if you call and speak with Stu Wexler he will get you on a waiting list or may be able to work something out.? If not, there is a Holiday Inn? (877-863-4780) right across the street from the Hampton that may have room.? ~jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In Thanks Barry, I`ll give it a try. Gil ? In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:40:28 A.M. Central America Standard T, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Gil, ? Capt JimBob had reserved a block of rooms at the Hampton Inn, in Carson City (775) 885-8800, but a room had to be booked before August 17th, after which date they will have been released for general bookings. If you try to get the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) rate, quote them reference # TWI. ? Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil ? In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: Hi Guys, ? John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the following on his behalf. ? Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too! ? Best Regards, Barry ? Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage, I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the crazy Commander people he has heard about.? You might run your historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian.? I know he would get a chuckle.? Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him. PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news.? He was enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the TCFG get together.? You know my computer will not let me on the chat page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks.? Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too. YOUR FRIEND, John Towner? :-) t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 28, 2009
From: willis robison <drwer2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: : LFST: LFSTLFST
I remember the Langley Wind tunnel.- My father worked at one operated by the defence department in tullahoma Tenn.- He transfered to Hampton and w orked on the NASA tunnel for a few years. - The Langley tunnel was outdated even in the 60's when Dad worked there.- They had already transitioned from subsonic to transonic studies.-Now the latest tunnel studies are done using "water-Tunnels".- Much less expensi ve, can simulate sub-sonic and trans-sonic conditions. - the Gift of the tunnel to ODC was a great gesture.- Thier engineering Dep artment may get some use from it.- However, It is far more likely that OD C will gain much more from the Property it sits on, which is orders of magn itude more valuable.- And the land doesnt require thousands of dollars to maintain. - wer=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Simulated single-engine settings
Date: Aug 29, 2009
Folks, I'm going to do some single-engine work but I am not sure what the numbers should be for MAP & RPM that I should use to simulate a feathered engine environement. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Simulated single-engine settings
Date: Aug 29, 2009
I remember 17" and 2300 on a direct drive engine. Could be wrong. I don't know if those settings will keep a geared motor out of trouble, though. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Commander-List: Simulated single-engine settings Folks, I'm going to do some single-engine work but I am not sure what the numbers should be for MAP & RPM that I should use to simulate a feathered engine environement. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Simulated single-engine settings
Date: Aug 29, 2009
I thought I used around 13" and 2300 or so on my 500B direct-drive engines. I don't know if those settings will yield zero-thrust on an IO-720 though... _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Simulated single-engine settings I remember 17" and 2300 on a direct drive engine. Could be wrong. I don't know if those settings will keep a geared motor out of trouble, though. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Commander-List: Simulated single-engine settings Folks, I'm going to do some single-engine work but I am not sure what the numbers should be for MAP & RPM that I should use to simulate a feathered engine environement. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
From: white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com
Date: Aug 29, 2009
I use 18" and 2600 rpm on my IGO 540's Craig Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:31:01 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Simulated single-engine settings This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2009
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
I use 22" and 2300 rpm thereabouts=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Vormbaum <john (at)vormbaum.com>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:47:20 PM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Simulated single-engine settings=0A=0A=0AI thought I used around 13" and 2300 or so on my 500B dire ct-drive engines. I don't know if those settings will yield zero-thrust on an IO-720 though...=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: owner- commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css=0ASent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 12:31 P M=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Simulat ed single-engine settings=0A=0A=0AI remember 17" and 2300 on a direct drive engine. Could be wrong. I don't know if those settings will keep a geared motor out of trouble, though. =0A-=0A=0A=0A______________________________ __=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commande r-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher=0ASent: Saturday, Augu st 29, 2009 10:33 AM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASubject: Commande r-List: Simulated single-engine settings=0A=0A=0AFolks,=0A-=0AI'm going t o do some single-engine work but I am not sure what the numbers should be f or MAP & RPM-that I should use to simulate a feathered engine environemen t.=0A-=0ATom=0AC-GISS=0A680FLP (Mr.RPM)=0A-=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics. com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c om/c=0A=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List"> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0Ahref="http://forums.m atronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.co ===========0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
Donnie Rose wrote: > I use 22" and 2300 rpm thereabouts For simulated zero thrust?!? That's a LOT more than zero thrust on most direct drive engines. Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 29, 2009
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
Good Evening Chris and All, I agree with Chris in that 22' and 2300 sounds way high to me. However, I do not think there is a canned number that can be used. Too many variables. What I would suggest is that you set the RPM at a low number that feels smooth. Somewhere between 2000 and 2300 RPM. Then, throttle back until the RPM drops out of the governing range. Follow that by adding enough MP to make the RPM get back up to the governing range. Choose a MP that is about an inch below what it took to get to the governing range. That will be close enough to zero thrust for the particular weight, configuration, and speed at which the airplane is flying. Still just a WAG, but close enough for anyone's purpose. There ARE valid reasons to use a higher power for a few training purposes just as there are valid reasons to use a lower power. Once again, too many variables to discuss in this forum, but the method described previously will get awfully close to whatever performance would be available with the propellor actually feathered. If someone tells you that you must use such and such a number, all they are telling you is that they do NOT know what they are talking about!! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park, Downers Grove, Illinois In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:33:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris Donnie Rose wrote: > I use 22" and 2300 rpm thereabouts For simulated zero thrust?!? That's a LOT more than zero thrust on most direct drive engines. Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
Date: Aug 29, 2009
Thanks Bob, that was a flurry of answers, I like your method. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Simulated single-engine settings Good Evening Chris and All, I agree with Chris in that 22' and 2300 sounds way high to me. However, I do not think there is a canned number that can be used. Too many variables. What I would suggest is that you set the RPM at a low number that feels smooth. Somewhere between 2000 and 2300 RPM. Then, throttle back until the RPM drops out of the governing range. Follow that by adding enough MP to make the RPM get back up to the governing range. Choose a MP that is about an inch below what it took to get to the governing range. That will be close enough to zero thrust for the particular weight, configuration, and speed at which the airplane is flying. Still just a WAG, but close enough for anyone's purpose. There ARE valid reasons to use a higher power for a few training purposes just as there are valid reasons to use a lower power. Once again, too many variables to discuss in this forum, but the method described previously will get awfully close to whatever performance would be available with the propellor actually feathered. If someone tells you that you must use such and such a number, all they are telling you is that they do NOT know what they are talking about!! Happy Skies, Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park, Downers Grove, Illinois In a message dated 8/29/2009 8:33:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: Donnie Rose wrote: > I use 22" and 2300 rpm thereabouts For simulated zero thrust?!? That's a LOT more than zero thrust on most direct drive ===================== ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 29, 2009
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: basics
I know this will draw critcism,-but pilotage based on circumstance is how you do it.=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Fly-In
Date: Aug 31, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Hi Barry, et al: Good questions and ones that others on the chatlist may want to know, so we're putting the info out for all to see. 1.? There ARE a couple of seats left in box seating and yes, the price is $325 for the entire event. 2.? Commanders will be parking at Sterling Air.? There is some construction going on at the airport which may require some back taxiing.? I will be there all day Wednesday with a hand held radio to direct the Commanders.? The physical address for Sterling Air is 2640 College Parkway, Carson City, Nevada.? There IS a small tie down fee so be sure to pay before departing.? There is both full?and self-service fuel at the airport with full service being arranged through El Aero.? We are in the process of negotiating with?El Aero to give the same price for full service fuel truck as the self serve and will keep you apprised.? ? 3.? For thos of you renting cars at the Carson City Airport they can be picked up at El Aero which is right next to the Terminal Bldg.? Be sure to let Enterprise know you want to pick up your car at El Aero's southside location as they have a couple of locations on the airport.? 4.? Wednesday night's welcome dinner and Thursday's seminars will be held in the terminal bldg right next door to Sterling Air and the physical address is 2600 E College Parkway.? 5.? The address for Hampton Inn is 10 Hospitality Way (although our GPS didn't recognize this address.? However it is right off of 395 so pretty easy to find.? If anyone has additional questions, don't hesitate to ask.? Looking forward to seeing everyone again and meeting new friends.? ~Jim & Sue Metzger -----Original Message----- From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:53 am Subject: Fly-In Hi JimBob, ? I've got a few questions about the Fly-In. ? 1. Are any seats still available in "the box" and am I right in thinking they're $325? ? 2. Where will the Commanders be parking at Carson City? ? 3. Can you let me know the name of the organisation whose facility they'll be parked at? Their address?will be useful to key into my SatNav. ? Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 31, 2009
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: > Choose a MP that is about an inch below what it took to get to the > governing range. I've used that technique as well Bob. I've compared carefully measured performance with one actually feathered (which I do occasionally for practice) to your method and the numbers are certainly close enough to provide valid simulation. For my two cents, I think some practice with one engine at idle (more drag then actually feathered) is valuable too. Dragging one around in that configuration for a while makes the real thing feel a lot easier. I also do occasionally make landings (under safe conditions of course) with one actually feathered. Landings ARE different with an actual feathered engine versus simulated zero thrust. chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 31, 2009
Subject: Re: Simulated single-engine settings
Me Too Chris! That's why I said higher and lower powers are often handy for training purposes. As Always, It All Depends! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/31/2009 10:52:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: --> Commander-List message posted by: Chris BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: > Choose a MP that is about an inch below what it took to get to the > governing range. I've used that technique as well Bob. I've compared carefully measured performance with one actually feathered (which I do occasionally for practice) to your method and the numbers are certainly close enough to provide valid simulation. For my two cents, I think some practice with one engine at idle (more drag then actually feathered) is valuable too. Dragging one around in that configuration for a while makes the real thing feel a lot easier. I also do occasionally make landings (under safe conditions of course) with one actually feathered. Landings ARE different with an actual feathered engine versus simulated zero thrust. chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: PROPS
Date: Aug 31, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note).? They are ready to ship complete with log books.? I also have spinners if interested.? Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers.? I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!!? Good condition.? I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N)?and clamps.? Like new.? They are all?for sale.? Interested??? jb@360-903-6901.? See ya at the fly-in!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Aug 31, 2009
Subject: Re: PROPS
Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propel I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? _jb@360-903-6901_ (mailto:jb@360-903-6901) . See ya at the fly-in!!! (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gary Moshluk" <gmosh(at)charter.net>
Subject: low suction mystery
Date: Aug 31, 2009
To all Commander aficionados, Having an issue with low suction specifically when running the left engine alone. The right engine system is operating normally without the left engine running producing about 4.2 Hg of suction. The left engine alone will only produce 2.2 to 2.3 Hg max even at higher RPM settings. I have a straight 560 fitted with dual wet suction pumps. The engine driven vac pumps are piped to bulkhead fittings on each firewall into the nacelle. The bulkhead fitting is connected to the regulator (via hose and clamps). The regulator is "T"'d for attaching the low vacuum switch and check valve, thence to the hardline forward to the instrument panel. Ostensibly the dual check valves protect the operating vacuum source from an open leak on the opposite side When I rebuilt the instrument panel I relocated the engine gages, centering them over/above the throttle pedestal to allow for a panel mounted radio stack AND I added an artificial horizon, DG (airspeed and altimeter) to the co-pilot side. Harry Merrit sent me a used vacuum pump and regulator; both of which I installed today. Best I can get off the left side vacuum pump is 2.2 HG of suction. The regulator adjustments so far have had a negligible effect on the suction pressure. I had thought up until today the problem resided with the (engine driven) pump and/or regulator ahead of the check valve in the left nacelle but the pump and regulator still won't get me the required suction off the left side. Anyone out there with a theory as to what I should be looking for? Gary (c.s "Blaster") ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Aug 31, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sadly, no.? The "heavy Hartzell"? requires the larger spinners.? i may know where there is a pair of those.? I'll check.? jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop?converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil ? In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, ? The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note).? They are ready to ship complete with log books.? I also have spinners if interested.? ? Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ? ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers.? I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!!? Good condition.? I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N)?and clamps.? Like new.? They are all?for sale.? Interested??? jb@360-903-6901.? See ya at the fly-in!!! =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: low suction mystery
Date: Sep 01, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sounds like a bad "used" pump??? Need a greaaaaat pair of props for your 560??? jb -----Original Message----- From: Gary Moshluk <gmosh(at)charter.net> Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:26 pm Subject: Commander-List: low suction mystery To all Commander aficionados, ? Having an issue with low suction specifically?when running the?left engine alone.? The right engine system is operating normally without the left engine running producing about 4.2 Hg of suction.? The left engine alone will only produce 2.2 to 2.3 Hg max?even at higher?RPM settings. ? I have a straight 560 fitted with dual?wet suction pumps.?? The?engine driven vac pumps?are piped to bulkhead fittings on?each firewall into the nacelle.? The bulkhead fitting is connected?to the regulator (via hose and clamps).? The regulator?is "T"'d??for attaching?the?low vacuum switch?and?check valve, thence to the hardline forward?to the instrument panel.? Ostensibly the dual check valves protect the operating vacuum source from an open leak on the opposite side ? When I rebuilt the instrument panel I?relocated the engine gages, centering them?over/above the throttle pedestal to allow for a panel mounted radio?stack AND I added an artificial horizon, DG (airspeed and altimeter) to the co-pilot side.? ? ??? ? Harry Merrit?sent me?a used vacuum pump and regulator; both of which I installed today.? Best I can get off the left side vacuum pump is 2.2 HG of suction.? The regulator?adjustments so far have had a negligible effect on the suction pressure.? I had thought up until today the problem resided with the (engine driven) pump and/or regulator ahead of the check valve in the left nacelle but the pump and regulator still won't get me the required suction off the left side.? ? Anyone out there with a theory?as to?what I should be looking for? ? Gary (c.s "Blaster")??? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo(at)cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: low suction mystery
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Move the pump from the good side and see if it corrects the problem Harry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Moshluk To: Commander Chat Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: low suction mystery To all Commander aficionados, Having an issue with low suction specifically when running the left engine alone. The right engine system is operating normally without the left engine running producing about 4.2 Hg of suction. The left engine alone will only produce 2.2 to 2.3 Hg max even at higher RPM settings. I have a straight 560 fitted with dual wet suction pumps. The engine driven vac pumps are piped to bulkhead fittings on each firewall into the nacelle. The bulkhead fitting is connected to the regulator (via hose and clamps). The regulator is "T"'d for attaching the low vacuum switch and check valve, thence to the hardline forward to the instrument panel. Ostensibly the dual check valves protect the operating vacuum source from an open leak on the opposite side When I rebuilt the instrument panel I relocated the engine gages, centering them over/above the throttle pedestal to allow for a panel mounted radio stack AND I added an artificial horizon, DG (airspeed and altimeter) to the co-pilot side. Harry Merrit sent me a used vacuum pump and regulator; both of which I installed today. Best I can get off the left side vacuum pump is 2.2 HG of suction. The regulator adjustments so far have had a negligible effect on the suction pressure. I had thought up until today the problem resided with the (engine driven) pump and/or regulator ahead of the check valve in the left nacelle but the pump and regulator still won't get me the required suction off the left side. Anyone out there with a theory as to what I should be looking for? Gary (c.s "Blaster") ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Subject: Re: PROPS
Thanks. Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:20:02 P.M. Central America Standard T, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propel I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? _jb@360-903-6901_ (mailto:jb@360-903-6901) . See ya at the fly-in!!! =================================== t href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==================================== tp://_www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== ____________________________________ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: low suction mystery
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Gary, Have you tested the pump alone by connecting a hose directly to the pump with the remainder of the system not in the loop? Moe N680RR 680Fp From: Gary Moshluk Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Commander-List: low suction mystery To all Commander aficionados, Having an issue with low suction specifically when running the left engine alone. The right engine system is operating normally without the left engine running producing about 4.2 Hg of suction. The left engine alone will only produce 2.2 to 2.3 Hg max even at higher RPM settings. I have a straight 560 fitted with dual wet suction pumps. The engine driven vac pumps are piped to bulkhead fittings on each firewall into the nacelle. The bulkhead fitting is connected to the regulator (via hose and clamps). The regulator is "T"'d for attaching the low vacuum switch and check valve, thence to the hardline forward to the instrument panel. Ostensibly the dual check valves protect the operating vacuum source from an open leak on the opposite side When I rebuilt the instrument panel I relocated the engine gages, centering them over/above the throttle pedestal to allow for a panel mounted radio stack AND I added an artificial horizon, DG (airspeed and altimeter) to the co-pilot side. Harry Merrit sent me a used vacuum pump and regulator; both of which I installed today. Best I can get off the left side vacuum pump is 2.2 HG of suction. The regulator adjustments so far have had a negligible effect on the suction pressure. I had thought up until today the problem resided with the (engine driven) pump and/or regulator ahead of the check valve in the left nacelle but the pump and regulator still won't get me the required suction off the left side. Anyone out there with a theory as to what I should be looking for? Gary (c.s "Blaster") ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Hi Moe, Will your spinners fit on my 680F..?? Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Moe/Randy/Gil/Others Your spinners will fit the 680F.?? The spinner domes should fit the heavy hartzel, but the spinner backplates will not.? The 680F uses a #30 spline prop shaft (the same as a Pratt & Whitney R985).? The heavy hartzel (HH modification) uses a #20 spline which is smaller.? ~jb -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, ? When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp?? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, ? Regards, ? Moe N680RR 680Fp ? From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no.? The "heavy Hartzell"? requires the larger spinners.? i may know where there is a pair of those.? I'll check.? jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop?converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil ? In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, ? The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note).? They are ready to ship complete with log books.? I also have spinners if interested.? ? Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ? ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers.? I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!!? Good condition.? I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N)?and clamps.? Like new.? They are all?for sale.? Interested??? jb@360-903-6901.? See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
By the way, Does anyone have extra backplates for the 30 spline....may be in the market for one soon. Moe N680RR 680Fp Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award (which I fear I shall be forced to relinquish soon) From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Moe/Randy/Gil/Others Your spinners will fit the 680F. The spinner domes should fit the heavy hartzel, but the spinner backplates will not. The 680F uses a #30 spline prop shaft (the same as a Pratt & Whitney R985). The heavy hartzel (HH modification) uses a #20 spline which is smaller. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:01 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Randy, I believe so. Which props do you have? If you are coming to Reno I could bring some. Do you want anodized, polished or painted? Regards, Moe From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PROPS Hi Moe, Will your spinners fit on my 680F..?? Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matro nics.comtp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 01, 2009
From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PROPS
While we are on the prop subject, I have a IGO-540-B1A and need the backplate and de-ice ring. I understand it's the old-style. Do you happen to have one of those? Craig ________________________________ From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:18:12 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Randy, I believe so. Which props do you have? If you are coming to Reno I could bring some. Do you want anodized, polished or painted? Regards, Moe From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PROPS Hi Moe, Will your spinners fit on my 680F..?? Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________ From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From:yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent:Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM To:commander-list(at)matronics.com Subject:Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, > > >The 680 props have > been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit > either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship > complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. > > >Give me a call > 360-903-6901 if interested. > >~jb > > >-----Original > Message----- >From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com >To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >Sent: > Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm >Subject: Commander-List: > PROPS >HI KIDS... I am in > Alabama > picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c > propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good > condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV > 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs > (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for > sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the > fly-in!!! > > > > > >t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com/ >tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Moe, I've got the HC-B3Z30-2B hubs with 84" 9349-6.5 props. I don't need a spinner right now. Just curious if you've got my size. I won't make it to Reno this year. Thanks. Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Randy, I believe so. Which props do you have? If you are coming to Reno I could bring some. Do you want anodized, polished or painted? Regards, Moe From: Randy <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net> Dettmer, AIA Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PROPS Hi Moe, Will your spinners fit on my 680F..?? Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com/> tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 01, 2009
From: willis robison <drwer2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Spar Cap Kit
Would a spar cap kit No. SC81-B, -issued by Aero Commander and installed per SB-81B satisfy the AD 94-04-13?- Does it require recurrent inspection s once installed? - Willis Robison=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Randy, These are the same hubs & spinners that are on N680RR. I will continue to floor the inventory for you. Regards, Moe From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PROPS Moe, I've got the HC-B3Z30-2B hubs with 84" 9349-6.5 props. I don't need a spinner right now. Just curious if you've got my size. I won't make it to Reno this year. Thanks. Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Randy, I believe so. Which props do you have? If you are coming to Reno I could bring some. Do you want anodized, polished or painted? Regards, Moe From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PROPS Hi Moe, Will your spinners fit on my 680F..?? Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matro nics.comtp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 01, 2009
Sorry to say no. If you need one be prepared to pay about $ 800.00 for a used servicabe one. They seem to be rare because they crack, and if you let the brushes wear down too small they turn sideways and kill the copper contact rings. Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: craig kennedy Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS While we are on the prop subject, I have a IGO-540-B1A and need the backplate and de-ice ring. I understand it's the old-style. Do you happen to have one of those? Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:18:12 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Randy, I believe so. Which props do you have? If you are coming to Reno I could bring some. Do you want anodized, polished or painted? Regards, Moe From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: PROPS Hi Moe, Will your spinners fit on my 680F..?? Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS JB/All, When you say the larger spinners are you referring to the type that are on a680Fp? If so I have some available, as I went into a fit of buying a while back, Regards, Moe N680RR 680Fp From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers. I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? jb@360-903-6901. See ya at the fly-in!!! t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matro nics.com/tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: PROPS
Date: Sep 02, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Gill.? I have located a pair of NEW spinner domes for the Heavy Hartzells.? $1200.00 for the pair.? jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Thanks. Gil ? In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:20:02 P.M. Central America Standard T, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Sadly, no.? The "heavy Hartzell"? requires the larger spinners.? i may know where there is a pair of those.? I'll check.? jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop?converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil ? In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Hi All, ? The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note).? They are ready to ship complete with log books.? I also have spinners if interested.? ? Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ? ~jb -----Original Message----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propellers.? I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!!? Good condition.? I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N)?and clamps.? Like new.? They are all?for sale.? Interested??? jb@360-903-6901.? See ya at the fly-in!!! =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== =================================== t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 02, 2009
Subject: Re: PROPS
In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:56:04 A.M. Central America Standard T, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Gill. I have located a pair of NEW spinner domes for the Heavy Hartzells. $1200.00 for the pair. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Thanks. Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:20:02 P.M. Central America Standard T, _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) writes: Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: _WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com) Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propel I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? _jb@360-903-6901_ (mailto:jb@360-903-6901) . See ya at the fly-in!!! =================================== t href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ======== =========================== tp://_www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== ____________________________________ =================================== t href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==================================== tp://_www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== ____________________________________ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 02, 2009
Subject: Re: PROPS
I will measure the backing plates on my bird and get back to you. Just want to make sure they fit. I had bought two awhile back and they fit to taught and couldn`t use them .Are these Zero/ Really New spinners? In a message dated 9/2/2009 10:56:04 A.M. Central America Standard T, yourtcfg(at)aol.com writes: Gill. I have located a pair of NEW spinner domes for the Heavy Hartzells. $1200.00 for the pair. jb -----Original Message----- From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com Sent: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Thanks. Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 8:20:02 P.M. Central America Standard T, _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) writes: Sadly, no. The "heavy Hartzell" requires the larger spinners. i may know where there is a pair of those. I'll check. jb -----Original Message----- From: _WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com) Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 2:12 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: PROPS Will your spinners fit a 680 with the Metzger prop converson ?If so how much for two spinners. Thanks Gil In a message dated 8/31/2009 12:25:09 P.M. Central America Standard , _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) writes: Hi All, The 680 props have been sold and delivered, but I still have a set of beautiful props that fit either a 520, 560 or 56A (no recurring AD note). They are ready to ship complete with log books. I also have spinners if interested. Give me a call 360-903-6901 if interested. ~jb -----Original Message----- From: _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21 pm Subject: Commander-List: PROPS HI KIDS... I am in Alabama picking up some really nice propel I have a pair of HC-MV20c propellers for a 680 with less than 100 hrs SINCE NEW!!!!!! Good condition. I also have a pair of "MV" (no reoccurring AD) props with MV 8433 blades for the 560/560A with less than 410hr since new blades, hubs (consecutive S/N) and clamps. Like new. They are all for sale. Interested?? _jb@360-903-6901_ (mailto:jb@360-903-6901) . See ya at the fly-in!!! =================================== t href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==================================== tp://_www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== ____________________________________ =================================== t href="_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ">_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) ==================================== ms.matronics.com/">_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/) ==================================== tp://_www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ">_http://www.matronics.com/contribution_ (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ==================================== ____________________________________ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: spar cap kit No. SC81-B
From: "drwer2" <drwer2(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 02, 2009
I'm researching a 560F which had a spar cap kit No. SC81-B installed just after leaving the factory. Iv read the AD94-03-13, but its not clear if the Kit cleared the AD or if recurrent inspections are required. I know its prudent to do the inspections. I'm just wondering if the AD demands an inspection. Are there other commanders out there with this kit installed? thanks. Bud -------- No Generality is worth a damn....including this one. cogito ergo aero-geek Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=261071#261071 ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: TCFG Directory
Date: Sep 04, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In.? What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet.? See ya in a couple of weeks.? ~jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 04, 2009
There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 04, 2009
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Hey Tom, Sorry to hear about your loss, glad your ok. Bert In a message dated 9/4/2009 3:34:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 04, 2009
Thanks Bert, damaged shines because of the instrument panel for both pilots passenger behind co-pilot bruised arm from window ledge. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Hey Tom, Sorry to hear about your loss, glad your ok. Bert In a message dated 9/4/2009 3:34:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributio n ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 04, 2009
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
That is a shame, I know you put a lot of time and hard work into that plane. But, thanks to a lot of good people, there is another waiting for you out there somewhere!!! In a message dated 9/4/2009 6:31:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: Thanks Bert, damaged shines because of the instrument panel for both pilots passenger behind co-pilot bruised arm from window ledge. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: _BertBerry1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:BertBerry1(at)aol.com) Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Hey Tom, Sorry to hear about your loss, glad your ok. Bert In a message dated 9/4/2009 3:34:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, _tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca_ (mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca) writes: There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com) Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ____________________________________ href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 04, 2009
From: budplaster(at)aol.com
I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. FIRM. IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND PHOTOGRAPHS. BUDDY PLASTER -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. 0D Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 04, 2009
Oh, Jeepers, Tom. I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're OK. Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 04, 2009
Thanks Buddy, I am old friends with the 680FLP but I should keep my mind open to different models, I would like too peruse the data. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: <budplaster(at)aol.com> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST > TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. FIRM. > IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND > PHOTOGRAPHS. > > BUDDY PLASTER > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm > Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > There is a change all right. > > > C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the > starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or > steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and > tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right > side of the belly. > > My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". > > > Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? > > > Tom Fisher > > formally C-GISS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM > > Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory > > > Hi TCFG members, > > > We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would > appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal > information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. > > 0D > > Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend > our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > > > ~jb > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro > nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 06, 2009
From: "W.J.R. Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Tom, Right now there is one on eBay item #180402519493 Current price about 100k less than first listing. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180402519493&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT Cheers, Bill Hamilton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andrew.bridget(at)telus.net wrote: > Oh, Jeepers, Tom. I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're OK. > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Fisher > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > There is a change all right. > > C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in > the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, > brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent > the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded > to a stop on the right side of the belly. > My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as > is". > > Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? > > Tom Fisher > formally C-GISS > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* yourtcfg(at)aol.com > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM > *Subject:* Commander-List: TCFG Directory > > Hi TCFG members, > > We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory > and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any > changes to your personal information or additions/changes to > the Vendor listing. > > Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have > Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > > ~jb > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 04, 2009
Hi Tom. Sorry about the loss. This is the second one you lost, right? The first was a lot more traumatic if I remember correctly. However, I had a similar situation in my 500, but, fortunately, there were very wide "side burns" on the runway and I managed to roll to a stop in the rough without any other damage than the broken hydraulic lines. Hope to see you in Carson City. Nico -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) --> Thanks Buddy, I am old friends with the 680FLP but I should keep my mind open to different models, I would like too peruse the data. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: <budplaster(at)aol.com> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST > TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. FIRM. > IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND > PHOTOGRAPHS. > > BUDDY PLASTER > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm > Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > There is a change all right. > > > C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the > starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or > steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and > tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right > side of the belly. > > My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". > > > Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? > > > Tom Fisher > > formally C-GISS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM > > Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory > > > Hi TCFG members, > > > We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would > appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal > information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. > > 0D > > Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend > our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > > > ~jb > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro > nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2009
Subject: Re: TCFG Directory
From: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
Hi Jim & Sue, Please update membership details for Ryan Postal Address: 20 Roney Court, Katherine Northern Territory Australia 0835 Cell phone: 0408 693 985 Cheers from Oz Russell On 5/9/09 2:17 AM, "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" wrote: > Hi TCFG members, > > We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would > appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal > information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. > > Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our > awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > > ~jb > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Wow, that looks familiar! Peel off the new paint and N-number you got yourself a sweet old girl that used to be named 400CH. She sure looks purty on the outside now, too! -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of W.J.R. Hamilton Sent: Sat 9/5/2009 9:51 PM Subject: [BULK] Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Tom, Right now there is one on eBay item #180402519493 Current price about 100k less than first listing. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180402519 493&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT Cheers, Bill Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- andrew.bridget(at)telus.net wrote: > Oh, Jeepers, Tom. I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're OK. > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Fisher > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > There is a change all right. > > C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in > the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, > brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent > the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded > to a stop on the right side of the belly. > My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as > is". > > Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? > > Tom Fisher > formally C-GISS > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* yourtcfg(at)aol.com > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM > *Subject:* Commander-List: TCFG Directory > > Hi TCFG members, > > We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory > and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any > changes to your personal information or additions/changes to > the Vendor listing. > > Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have > Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > > ~jb > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
And, it's got cockpit overhead (eyebrow) windows! Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [BULK] Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Wow, that looks familiar! Peel off the new paint and N-number you got yourself a sweet old girl that used to be named 400CH. She sure looks purty on the outside now, too! -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of W.J.R. Hamilton Sent: Sat 9/5/2009 9:51 PM Subject: [BULK] Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Tom, Right now there is one on eBay item #180402519493 Current price about 100k less than first listing. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180402519493&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT Cheers, Bill Hamilton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andrew.bridget(at)telus.net wrote: > Oh, Jeepers, Tom. I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you're OK. > > Andrew > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Fisher > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > There is a change all right. > > C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in > the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, > brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent > the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded > to a stop on the right side of the belly. > My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as > is". > > Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? > > Tom Fisher > formally C-GISS > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* yourtcfg(at)aol.com > *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM > *Subject:* Commander-List: TCFG Directory > > Hi TCFG members, > > We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory > and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any > changes to your personal information or additions/changes to > the Vendor listing. > > Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have > Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > > ~jb > > * > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: TCFG Directory
Date: Sep 05, 2009
Hi Jim, Please add my cell phone number to my personal information: (619) 987-4321. Thanks, Stan N681SP From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2009
From: Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
I still have my 1970 500S for sale and after a $24K annual it is even bette r shape that previously.- The previous annual was $14K so I was surprised at the last annual.- =0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0AFrom: "budplaster(at)aol.com" <budplaster(at)aol.com>=0ATo: commander-lis t(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, September 4, 2009 7:30:40 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)=0A=0A--> Commander-List message posted by: budplaster(at)aol.com=0A=0AI AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 W HICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. FIRM.- IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COM PLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND PHOTOGRAPHS.=0A=0ABUDDY PLASTER=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message-----=0AFrom: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>=0AT o: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)=0A=0A=0A=0AThere is a c hange all right.=0A=0A-=0A=0AC-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total h ydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent th e main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly.=0A=0AMy insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is".=0A=0A-=0A=0ADoes anyone know of a 680FL P (Mr.RPM) available for sale?=0A=0A-=0A=0ATom Fisher=0A=0Aformally C-GIS S=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A=0AFrom: yourtcfg(at)aol.com=0A=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A=0ASent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM =0A=0ASubject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi TCFG members ,=0A=0A-=0A=0AWe're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Director y and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your p ersonal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing.=0A=0A-0D =0A=0ALooking forward to the Fly-In.- What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet.- See ya in a couple of weeks.-=0A=0A-=0A =0A~jb=0A=0A=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">h ttp://www.matro=0Anics.com/Navigator?Commander-List=0Ahref="http://forums .matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics. com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=0A=0A=0A=0A- - - -Matt D = ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Tom? I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad you were not injured!!?? Hope you find anouther Commander soon.?THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS.? NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!! ? jb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) There is a change all right. ? C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". ? Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? ? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, ? We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. ? Looking forward to the Fly-In.? What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet.? See ya in a couple of weeks.? ? ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
From: white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com
Date: Sep 05, 2009
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
Thanks Nico, I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now! Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > Hi Tom. > > Sorry about the loss. This is the second one you lost, right? The first > was > a lot more traumatic if I remember correctly. > However, I had a similar situation in my 500, but, fortunately, there were > very wide "side burns" on the runway and I managed to roll to a stop in > the > rough without any other damage than the broken hydraulic lines. > > Hope to see you in Carson City. > > Nico > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 5:30 PM > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > --> > > Thanks Buddy, I am old friends with the 680FLP but I should keep my mind > open to different models, I would like too peruse the data. > > Tom. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <budplaster(at)aol.com> > To: > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:30 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > >> >> I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST >> TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS, ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200,000. >> FIRM. > >> IF INTERESTED, I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND >> PHOTOGRAPHS. >> >> BUDDY PLASTER >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm >> Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) >> >> >> >> There is a change all right. >> >> >> >> C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the >> starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or >> steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and >> tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right >> side of the belly. >> >> My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". >> >> >> >> Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? >> >> >> >> Tom Fisher >> >> formally C-GISS >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com >> >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com >> >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM >> >> Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory >> >> >> >> >> Hi TCFG members, >> >> >> >> We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would >> appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal >> information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. >> >> 0D >> >> Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend >> our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. >> >> >> ~jb >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro >> nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c >> >> >> >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
The break was in the last flex line on the way to the Cleveland brakes. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Tom I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad you were not injured!! Hope you find anouther Commander soon. THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS. NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!! jb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) There is a change all right. C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. ~jb href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "8eastbaystreet.com Gilliam" <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
Nico=2C Can you elaborate on your incident with your 500? I have a 500 and would be interested to know the problem. Thanks in advance=2C Roland Gilliam > From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > Date: Sat=2C 5 Sep 2009 17:54:16 -0700 > p.bc.ca> > > Thanks Nico=2C I will be unable to attend Carson city especially now! > Tom. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > To: > Sent: Friday=2C September 04=2C 2009 10:25 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. > > > > Sorry about the loss. This is the second one you lost=2C right? The fir st > > was > > a lot more traumatic if I remember correctly. > > However=2C I had a similar situation in my 500=2C but=2C fortunately=2C there were > > very wide "side burns" on the runway and I managed to roll to a stop in > > the > > rough without any other damage than the broken hydraulic lines. > > > > Hope to see you in Carson City. > > > > Nico > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fis her > > Sent: Friday=2C September 04=2C 2009 5:30 PM > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > --> > > > > Thanks Buddy=2C I am old friends with the 680FLP but I should keep my m ind > > open to different models=2C I would like too peruse the data. > > > > Tom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <budplaster(at)aol.com> > > To: > > Sent: Friday=2C September 04=2C 2009 4:30 PM > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > > > > >> > >> I AM PREPARING TO SELL MY 685 WHICH MAY BE THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST > >> TIMES-----TT 2100 HRS=2C ENGINES 125 HRS. AND LOWEST PRICE...$200=2C00 0. > >> FIRM. > > > >> IF INTERESTED=2C I WILL SEND YOU A COMPLETE SPECIFICATION SHEET AND > >> PHOTOGRAPHS. > >> > >> BUDDY PLASTER > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >> Sent: Fri=2C Sep 4=2C 2009 1:33 pm > >> Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > >> > >> > >> > >> There is a change all right. > >> > >> > >> > >> C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more=2C total hydraulic failure in the > >> starboard brake line=2C landed by the numbers without flaps=2C brakes or > >> steering=2C ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and > >> tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the righ t > >> side of the belly. > >> > >> My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is=2C as i s". > >> > >> > >> > >> Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom Fisher > >> > >> formally C-GISS > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com > >> > >> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > >> > >> Sent: Friday=2C September 04=2C 2009 9:47 AM > >> > >> Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi TCFG members=2C > >> > >> > >> > >> We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would > >> appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your personal > >> information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. > >> > >> 0D > >> > >> Looking forward to the Fly-In. What a special treat to have Hoover att end > >> our awards Banquet. See ya in a couple of weeks. > >> > >> > >> ~jb > >> > >> > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www. matro > >> nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.co m/c > >> > >> > >> > >> -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you=92re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 05, 2009
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
the flex line is connected directly to the caliper piston causing immediate failure=0A=C2-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: "white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com" <white_rhino_ps@y ahoo.com>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:58:36 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP ( Mr.RPM)=0A=0ASorry, just a dumb question. Would it have mattered with a rup tured line. Or is the point he would have had a few seconds worth of flap o r left brake before the emergency supply pumped out the remaining fluid. =0A=0ACraig =0ASent via BlackBerry by AT&T=0A______________________________ __=0AFrom: yourtcfg(at)aol.com=0ADate: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:56:56 -0400=0ATo: < commander-list(at)matronics.com>=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purcha se a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)=0ATom=C2- I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad y ou were not injured!!=C2-=C2- Hope you find anouther Commander soon.=C2 -THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS.=C2 - NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!! =C2- jb=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Tom Fisher <t fisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Fri , Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)=0A=0A=0AThere is a change all right.=0A=C2-=0AC-GISS (680FLP (Mr .RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starboard brake line, lan ded by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening ac ross a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing g ear and skidded to a stop on the right side of the belly.=0AMy insurance co mpany will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is".=0A=C2-=0ADoes an yone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale?=0A=C2-=0ATom Fisher=0A formally C-GISS=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com =0A>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9 :47 AM=0A>Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi TCFG member s, =0A>=0A>We're working on this year's Membership and Vendor Directory and would appreciate it if you would let us know of any changes to your person al information or additions/changes to the Vendor listing. =0A>=0A>Looking forward to the Fly-In.=C2- What a special treat to have Hoover attend our awards Banquet.=C2- See ya in a couple of weeks.=C2- =0A>=0A>~jb=0A> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">htt p://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">htt ============ =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9Eg(=93=C5-=C3=93M 4=C3=93G=C3=9Aq=C3=BC=C2=A2=C3=AA=C3=A2z=C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2=AE'=C2 =AB8^ =B0=C2jw^=C2=AC=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4I=C5=A1=C5-Qh=C2=AE=C3=A9 R=C3=87=C2=AD=C3=A3=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=C5-=C3=8BEy=C2 =ABn=C2=AD=C3=AB j=C3=B8=C2-j=C3=9A+=C2=B6-=C3=AB=C2=A3=C3=98^ =84=A2=C2=A9=C3=B2.+-=C2=BA=C3=98=C2=A5=C5-=C3=98=C5=BE=C2=B2=C3=8B=C5=93 =C2=AB=C5-=C3=8BT=C5=B8=C3=B4=C2=AEn=C3=87+=C5-=BAb=C2 =A2p=C2=AD=C3=88b=C2=BD=C3=A4=C5=BEj=C2=B7!=C5=92'=93-=EF =BD=C3=AC6=C2=B2=C2=BA0=C2=B1=C3-=C2=A1j=C3=91@C=C3=A1=C2=A2=C3=9A, =C2=AA=C3=9Ejwf=C2=B9=C3=88f=C2=B9=C3=88f=C2=A2=C2=B7=EF=BD=C2=A8ky =C3=B1=C2=B6=C3=9A=C30=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BC =C3'=C2=AF=C5-=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=B0=C2=A8=C5=A1f=C2=A7u=C3=AA=C3=8B=C5- =C3=8Ba=C2=B6=C3=9A=C30=84=A2=C2=ABk=C2=A2x=C5=93=C2=B1=C3=8A&=C3=BC =C3'=C2=AF=C5-=C2=AD=C2=A2=C2=B0=C2=A8=C5=A1f=C2=A7u=C3=AA=C3=8B=C5- =C3=8Bl4N4=82=AC=99X@E9L=C5=A1=84=A2=C3=A8+y=C2=AB\=C2=A2{^=C5 =BE=C3'=C2=A5=C2=B2-=C2=AFj)ZnW=C2=AF=B0=C2=ABayg=BA =C5-=C3=AE=C5=A1j=C3=9E|m=C2=B6=C5=B8=C3~=C5-=C3=AE=C5=A1=C3=89=C5 =A1=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=C2=A2hm=C2=B6=C5=B8=C3~=C5-=C3=AE=C5 =A1=C3=89=C5=A1=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=C2=A2o=C3=9A=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=90 =C2=A8=C5=BE=C3=9A=C3=A2n=C3=ABb=C2=A2u=C5=BEm(=C2=AD|=C3=A1jy2=C2=A2=C3=A7 =C3=A8=C2=AF*.=C2=AE=C2=A7z=C2=BA.=C2=B2=C3=8B=C2=A9=C2=C5-=C3=AD=0A =0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
Date: Sep 05, 2009
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Even with a ruptured line, there should easily be enough fluid to control the airplane until it stops.=C2- The breaker should not be pushed in un til the mains are on the ground.=C2- There is about 2 pints of fluid in the reservoir below the stand pipe.=C2- Of course the offending line wo uld render that brake useless, but the steering would work.=C2- It=C2- would still be an emergency for sure!!=C2- jb=C2- -----Original Message----- From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 5, 2009 7:14 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) the flex line is connected directly to the caliper piston causing immediat e failure =C2- Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 =C2- From: "white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com" <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 6:58:36 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Sorry, just a dumb question. Would it have mattered with a ruptured line. Or is the point he would have had a few seconds worth of flap or left bra ke before the emergency supply pumped out the remaining fluid. Craig Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:56:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) Tom=C2- I am sorry to hear of your loss but glad you were not injured!! =C2-=C2- Hope you find anouther Commander soon.=C2-THIS SHOULD BE A REMINDER TO ALL THE FLAT NACELLED COMMANDER DRIVERS.=C2- NEVER LEAVE THE GROUND WITH THE AUX HYD PUMP CIRCUIT BREAKER IN, NEVER, EVER!!! =C2- jb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33 pm Subject: Commander-List: Want to purchase a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) There is a change all right. =C2- C-GISS (680FLP (Mr.RPM)) is no more, total hydraulic failure in the starbo ard brake line, landed by the numbers without flaps, brakes or steering, ended up careening across a ditch which bent the main spar and tore off the right main landing gear and skidded to a stop on the right side of th e belly. My insurance company will be offering it up for sale "where is, as is". =C2- Does anyone know of a 680FLP (Mr.RPM) available for sale? =C2- Tom Fisher formally C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:47 AM Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Directory Hi TCFG members, =C2-


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