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July 10, 2010 - November 17, 2010
Luckily mine was rebuildable and I was able to recover my core charge.
Good luck.
I still have half of a rear door hinge that cost me $950.00. I was able
to have the broken one welded but was unable to return the new 1/2 because 2
weeks had elapsed.
Don
-----Original Message-----
| From: | owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com |
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:39 AM
| Subject: | AC 680FLP Pressure reducer |
Hello,
I am in need of an overhaul of a pressure reducer from the hydraulic
system of an Aero Commander 680FLP, Mr. RPM conversion. The pump pressure is
about 3,000 psi and the aircraft system works around 1,000 psi. Had the
pressure go to 2,000 psi recently and broke a line. Most recent runup was OK
but I don't trust it now. Have had two complete hydraulic failures this
year, don't want any more.
Maintenance guys have found someone to overhaul, but it's around $5,500
(ripoff price) and 45-60 days. I can't believe a pressure reducer is that
complicated an item..
Does anyone have a pressure reducer for sale...sorry I don't have a part
number at the moment. Experienced Commander folks will probably know what I
need, but I can get the part #.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
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| From: | White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
Come on Bill,
Leave it for "maintenance"! Be nice to chat with a fellow 560F pilot/owner,
Craig
On Jul 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
Man, I can't believe it. I will be in Hillsboro for the Air show two weeks before!.
I will not be able to come back to the Fly in. Nuts!
Bill Leff
In a message dated 7/2/2010 12:39:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yourtcfg(at)aol.com
writes:
WILL DO. For those new to the list, Jimmy Rodriguez owns 500B, S/N 1 Yep, the
very first 500B.. It resides with him in SJ, P.R. I travel there each year
to do the annual inspection for him. He is a great guy and has a wonderful family.
We are looking forward to their visit. jb
"hi" to Jimmy for me. I haven't seen him in a few years.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN
Jim, put me on the list. I'm in for sure!
Since we're all ME (and high wing) pilots, do you think they'd let us take the
spruce goose for a spin? I'm sure that someone in the group has a seaplane rating...
Say "hi" to Jimmy for me. I haven't seen him in a few years.
Cheers,
John
PS: Wing Commander Gordon, your presence is required. The last time I saw you was
the original Aero Air fly-in a decade ago, I think. Hillsboro is what, 45 minutes
from Vegas in a Falcon?
sent by my DROID. Please pardon any typos.
On Jul 1, 2010 10:39 PM, wrote:
HI KIDS...Well, I can finally officially announce that the 2010 Twin Commander
fly-in will be held Sept 9-10-11, 2010 at Aero Air in Hillsboro Oregon. This
is the site of our first flyin and a great facility. We already have some great
speakers in mind and a fly out to the Evergreen museum in Mcminville OR, home
of the Spruce Goose!!. We are also planning a dinner on a stern wheeler (TBA)
and some other fun and informative stuff!!. Plan to be there. We will be
sending information on rooms and car rentals after the 4th. Hope to see you
there!! jb. PS Jimmy Rodriguez and family, from San Juan PR, are in rout to
visit Sue and I over the 4th, Can't wait to see them. jb
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| From: | White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
Come on Bill,
Leave it for "maintenance"! Be nice to chat with a fellow 560F pilot/owner,
Craig
On Jul 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
Man, I can't believe it. I will be in Hillsboro for the Air show two weeks before!.
I will not be able to come back to the Fly in. Nuts!
Bill Leff
In a message dated 7/2/2010 12:39:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yourtcfg(at)aol.com
writes:
WILL DO. For those new to the list, Jimmy Rodriguez owns 500B, S/N 1 Yep, the
very first 500B.. It resides with him in SJ, P.R. I travel there each year
to do the annual inspection for him. He is a great guy and has a wonderful family.
We are looking forward to their visit. jb
"hi" to Jimmy for me. I haven't seen him in a few years.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN
Jim, put me on the list. I'm in for sure!
Since we're all ME (and high wing) pilots, do you think they'd let us take the
spruce goose for a spin? I'm sure that someone in the group has a seaplane rating...
Say "hi" to Jimmy for me. I haven't seen him in a few years.
Cheers,
John
PS: Wing Commander Gordon, your presence is required. The last time I saw you was
the original Aero Air fly-in a decade ago, I think. Hillsboro is what, 45 minutes
from Vegas in a Falcon?
sent by my DROID. Please pardon any typos.
On Jul 1, 2010 10:39 PM, wrote:
HI KIDS...Well, I can finally officially announce that the 2010 Twin Commander
fly-in will be held Sept 9-10-11, 2010 at Aero Air in Hillsboro Oregon. This
is the site of our first flyin and a great facility. We already have some great
speakers in mind and a fly out to the Evergreen museum in Mcminville OR, home
of the Spruce Goose!!. We are also planning a dinner on a stern wheeler (TBA)
and some other fun and informative stuff!!. Plan to be there. We will be
sending information on rooms and car rentals after the 4th. Hope to see you
there!! jb. PS Jimmy Rodriguez and family, from San Juan PR, are in rout to
visit Sue and I over the 4th, Can't wait to see them. jb
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| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks, Bill, I feel very blessed to be able to take four months to help
someone who our country needs so badly. www.mullinsforcongress.com
Moe
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN
Fight the good fight Moe!
Bill Leff
In a message dated 7/4/2010 11:04:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com writes:
Moe,
Good luck and God speed!
We will certainly miss you =93 but your cause is worthy!
Regards,
Bob
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack B.
Mills
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 1:05 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN
J B and Group,
Regrettably, I will not be able to attend the fly in this year. Many
of you may agree that things have gone terribly wrong in our country in
the last 18 months. After a lot of thought I felt that it was time for
me to do more than just 'give my support' to someone who will help
change the way things are going in our country. Tom Mullins
(www.mullinsforcongress.com), a very conservative and Christian
gentlemen from here in Farmington, NM is running for the US House of
Representatives, and I am working full time (his only full time
volunteer) in the campaign. I feel a deep sense of dedication to what I
am doing.
Our opponent votes with Nancy Pelosi 98.5% of the time, receives heaps
of Union and PACT (including AOPA PACT) money and will probably outspend
us by over five to one. The latest Magellan poll shows 42% for Tom and
43% for the opposition. Tom won the Republican primary by 72% to 28%
even though the other Republican spent over twice as much on his
campaign.
The third congressional district here in New Mexico is larger than the
entire state of Pennsylvania, so the amount of travel is almost
unbelievable. Last week I drove over 2,500 miles in my truck with Tom,
and don't expect to be back home for a couple of weeks. Many of our days
start at 5:00 AM and end after 10:00 PM. Due to the lay out of the
district flying just don't work for us most of the time.
Certainly, it would be great to fly up there and be with all of my old
friends but there just will not be time.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:31 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN
WILL DO. For those new to the list, Jimmy Rodriguez owns 500B, S/N 1
Yep, the very first 500B.. It resides with him in SJ, P.R. I travel
there each year to do the annual inspection for him. He is a great guy
and has a wonderful family. We are looking forward to their visit. jb
"hi" to Jimmy for me. I haven't seen him in a few years.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FLY-IN
Jim, put me on the list. I'm in for sure!
Since we're all ME (and high wing) pilots, do you think they'd let us
take the spruce goose for a spin? I'm sure that someone in the group has
a seaplane rating...
Say "hi" to Jimmy for me. I haven't seen him in a few years.
Cheers,
John
PS: Wing Commander Gordon, your presence is required. The last time I
saw you was the original Aero Air fly-in a decade ago, I think.
Hillsboro is what, 45 minutes from Vegas in a Falcon?
sent by my DROID. Please pardon any typos.
On Jul 1, 2010 10:39 PM, wrote:
HI KIDS...Well, I can finally officially announce that the 2010 Twin
Commander fly-in will be held Sept 9-10-11, 2010 at Aero Air in
Hillsboro Oregon. This is the site of our first flyin and a great
facility. We already have some great speakers in mind and a fly out to
the Evergreen museum in Mcminville OR, home of the Spruce Goose!!. We
are also planning a dinner on a stern wheeler (TBA) and some other fun
and informative stuff!!. Plan to be there. We will be sending
information on rooms and car rentals after the 4th. Hope to see you
there!! jb. PS Jimmy Rodriguez and family, from San Juan PR, are in
rout to visit Sue and I over the 4th, Can't wait to see them. jb
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AC 680FLP Pressure reducer |
Hi Bill,
I've got a part #, it is: EA1563 Pressure Regulator.
There appears to be a small accumulator that is part of this mechanism,
so I want to be sure we got the right part. I asked my maintenance guy
about this and he assured me this was the right part #. Let me know
what you have.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC 680FLP Pressure reducer
What is the part number? I may have one.
Bill Leff
In a message dated 6/30/2010 8:04:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net writes:
Hi,
I needed a pressure regulator for my 500S 3 years ago and the only on
available was an overhauled one on a shelf in Indianna for $5000.00 PLUS
a $3000.00 core charge if mine was rebuildable.
Apparently there is only one place that rebuilds them and there are
some parts in there that are not available any more and have to be
"machined".
Luckily mine was rebuildable and I was able to recover my core charge.
Good luck.
I still have half of a rear door hinge that cost me $950.00. I was
able to have the broken one welded but was unable to return the new 1/2
because 2 weeks had elapsed.
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:39 AM
To: Commander List
Subject: Commander-List: AC 680FLP Pressure reducer
Hello,
I am in need of an overhaul of a pressure reducer from the
hydraulic system of an Aero Commander 680FLP, Mr. RPM conversion. The
pump pressure is about 3,000 psi and the aircraft system works around
1,000 psi. Had the pressure go to 2,000 psi recently and broke a line.
Most recent runup was OK but I don't trust it now. Have had two
complete hydraulic failures this year, don't want any more.
Maintenance guys have found someone to overhaul, but it's around
$5,500 (ripoff price) and 45-60 days. I can't believe a pressure
reducer is that complicated an item..
Does anyone have a pressure reducer for sale...sorry I don't have a
part number at the moment. Experienced Commander folks will probably
know what I need, but I can get the part #.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
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| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: AC 680FLP Pressure reducer |
Hi Harry,
I've got a part # for the pressure regulator, it is: EA1563 Pressure
Regulator.
There appears to be a small accumulator that is part of this mechanism,
so I want to be sure we got the right part. I asked my maintenance guy
about this and he assured me this was the right part #. Let me know
what you have and if we're talking about the same thing.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
From: Harry Merritt
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC 680FLP Pressure reducer
yes harry merritt
321 267-3141
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: Commander List
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:38 AM
Subject: Commander-List: AC 680FLP Pressure reducer
Hello,
I am in need of an overhaul of a pressure reducer from the hydraulic
system of an Aero Commander 680FLP, Mr. RPM conversion. The pump
pressure is about 3,000 psi and the aircraft system works around 1,000
psi. Had the pressure go to 2,000 psi recently and broke a line. Most
recent runup was OK but I don't trust it now. Have had two complete
hydraulic failures this year, don't want any more.
Maintenance guys have found someone to overhaul, but it's around
$5,500 (ripoff price) and 45-60 days. I can't believe a pressure
reducer is that complicated an item..
Does anyone have a pressure reducer for sale...sorry I don't have a
part number at the moment. Experienced Commander folks will probably
know what I need, but I can get the part #.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
Team,
Here is something we all need to know about and be part of.
http://100octaneformyplane.com/Home_Page.html
There are now two different unleaded AVGAS 100 octane products being developed.
AOPA and Cessna just paid a visit to GAMI in Ada, OK.
I just found web site, 100octaneformyplane.com.
It appears that TCFG is part of this. I seemed to miss that? I full support any
development of a new AVGAS with 100 octane and no lead.
More news on this is coming out on this.
Tylor Hall
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
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| Subject: | Fwd: NICE WEEKEND |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31 am
Subject: NICE WEEKEND
HI KIDS....I had a couple of really nice flights in" triple 2 Jim&Sue"
, our reliable old 608E. I just finished the annual insp and the weather
turned GREAT! Jimmy Rodriguez and his family were visiting as well as ou
r granddaughter, Jillian. We all decided to fly to Friday Harbor WA, in
the San Juan Islands. It seemed fitting since the Rodriguez family live
in San Juan PR! We filled every seat (7) and 170 gal of fuel and blasted
off from our 2700 ft strip. The old Commander went out of there like the
space shuttle and quickly climbed to 6500 ft, The air was silky smooth
and the visibility UNRESTRICTED! We passed by MY Adams, and St Helen (mo
re about that later). Then Mt Rainier. MT Jefferson was in the distance
to the north. All still have plenty of snow
We flew around the Naval facility at Bremerton WA and counted five aircraf
t carriers in port. Man, they are big. Even the small carriers look impr
essive. Next we flew past my old stomping grounds of Polsbo WA where I ma
de my living for many years flying my Bi plane /Float plane from the seapl
ane dock. Just past Polsbo, we got a look at the naval submarine base at
Bangor. it is a large facility and there was a "Boomer" at the dock, coo
l!! Then on to FHR . The approached is really scenic as you turn over th
e pictuest harbor. It is a short walk to town and a number of nice restau
rants. We picked one that gave us a view of the ferry dock and several ca
me and went during our stay.
After a great seafood lunch, we rented bikes and took a 6.5 mike ride. Th
e weather could not have been better with clear sky, light winds and 75 dr
g.
A short walk back to the airport and off for home. On the way I deviated
just a bit to the East to get a great look at Mt St. Helens. It has been
30 years since it erupted and is still an awe inspiring. There is no lon
ger a restricted area above the crater so we flew just next to it. Amazin
g, nothing like it.
We were back on the ground a short ten minutes later. It was a great day!
!
Jimmy and his family left for home the next day, we missed them! So we go
t back in the Commander and joined a small group from our airport heading
for the coast. This time I loaded six aboard and we headed for North bea
ch, but the fog was not lifting as predicted, so we diverted to Pacific Ci
ty. It is a great spot on the Oregon coast, a little south of Tillimook.
The strip is 1800 feet long with a restaurant at one end. The commander
handled it with no problems! It was a short walk to a restaurant named
"The Gratefully Bread" famous for their bakery. Had a great lunch and th
en back home in just 30 minutes. I had installed a new intercom system,
with music. It did not take long for my grand daughter and her friends
to figure out that if they talked to entire time, they could interrupt my
music. I guess they were not into Conway Twitty!! Two fun Commander tri
ps.
jb
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: NICE WEEKEND |
Hi JimBob,
"Nice weekend"?
I'd call that a GREAT weekend!
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
To: commander_list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2010 9:31 am
Subject: NICE WEEKEND
HI KIDS....I had a couple of really nice flights in" triple 2 Jim&Sue"
, our reliable old 608E. I just finished the annual insp and the
weather turned GREAT! Jimmy Rodriguez and his family were visiting as
well as our granddaughter, Jillian. We all decided to fly to Friday
Harbor WA, in the San Juan Islands. It seemed fitting since the
Rodriguez family live in San Juan PR! We filled every seat (7) and 170
gal of fuel and blasted off from our 2700 ft strip. The old Commander
went out of there like the space shuttle and quickly climbed to 6500 ft,
The air was silky smooth and the visibility UNRESTRICTED! We passed by
MY Adams, and St Helen (more about that later). Then Mt Rainier. MT
Jefferson was in the distance to the north. All still have plenty of
snow
We flew around the Naval facility at Bremerton WA and counted five
aircraft carriers in port. Man, they are big. Even the small carriers
look impressive. Next we flew past my old stomping grounds of Polsbo WA
where I made my living for many years flying my Bi plane /Float plane
from the seaplane dock. Just past Polsbo, we got a look at the naval
submarine base at Bangor. it is a large facility and there was a
"Boomer" at the dock, cool!! Then on to FHR . The approached is really
scenic as you turn over the pictuest harbor. It is a short walk to town
and a number of nice restaurants. We picked one that gave us a view of
the ferry dock and several came and went during our stay.
After a great seafood lunch, we rented bikes and took a 6.5 mike ride.
The weather could not have been better with clear sky, light winds and
75 drg.
A short walk back to the airport and off for home. On the way I
deviated just a bit to the East to get a great look at Mt St. Helens.
It has been 30 years since it erupted and is still an awe inspiring.
There is no longer a restricted area above the crater so we flew just
next to it. Amazing, nothing like it.
We were back on the ground a short ten minutes later. It was a great
day!!
Jimmy and his family left for home the next day, we missed them! So
we got back in the Commander and joined a small group from our airport
heading for the coast. This time I loaded six aboard and we headed for
North beach, but the fog was not lifting as predicted, so we diverted to
Pacific City. It is a great spot on the Oregon coast, a little south of
Tillimook. The strip is 1800 feet long with a restaurant at one end.
The commander handled it with no problems! It was a short walk to a
restaurant named "The Gratefully Bread" famous for their bakery. Had a
great lunch and then back home in just 30 minutes. I had installed a
new intercom system, with music. It did not take long for my grand
daughter and her friends to figure out that if they talked to entire
time, they could interrupt my music. I guess they were not into Conway
Twitty!! Two fun Commander trips.
jb
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| Subject: | 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
We've booked a block of rooms for the Fly-In at the Courtyard Marriott in
Hillsboro (just a few miles from the airport) at a rate of $79 for a sing
le king room or $89 for double/double room (plus taxes). Reservations can
be made by calling the hotel directly: (503)690-1800. Be sure to mentio
n you're with the Twin Commander Flight Group to get this rate. You can
check out the hotel at www.mariott.com/pdxhs.
These rates are only good through August 19th so be sure to book early.
The Pacific Northwest is beautiful this time of year and we recommend comi
ng early or staying after the fly-in to explore the incredible sights. Bo
th the Oregon Coast and Crater Lake are only a 2 hour's drive from Portlan
d, plus there are many great wineries and golf courses to explore. Portla
nd is a perfect place for "foodies" with an amazing selection of award win
ning restaurants.
Can't wait to see all of you and get caught up on what's been happening du
ring the last year.
~Jim & Sue
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Flyin Hillsboro, Oregon |
Folks,
The information for the flyin has been posted onto the website. Please check
it out and let me know if there are any errors, omissions or
recommendations.
Whether I'll be at the flying is still up in the air. It's time that I get
out to one of these things.
Thanks
Nico
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| Subject: | Hillsboro Courtyard by Marriott - Twin Commander Flight |
Group Reservation Link
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Hi Gang,
Here is a Reservation Link for the Twin Commander Flight Group. This is an
other option to make reservations, you can always call the hotel directly
@ 503-690-1800.
When calling the hotel, simply identify yourself with the Twin Commander
Flight Group, as well as provide your group code which is: TWI. In order
to guarantee rates and room availability, please reserve your room by Aug
ust 19th 2010. If anyone has any difficulties booking rooms, please contac
t Jenny Finn directly at 503-268-4414.
To reserve a room with a King-sized bed and a sleeper sofa, at the group
rate of $79 plus 10% rooming tax, please click the link below:
Courtyard Portland Hillsboro >>
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwia&app=resv
link&fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10
To reserve a room with two double-sized beds, at the group rate of $89 plu
s 10% rooming tax, please click the link below:
Courtyard Portland Hillsboro >>
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib&app=resv
link&fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Hillsboro Courtyard by Marriott - Twin Commander Flight |
Group Reservation Link
Folks,
I added an additional page to the fly-in menu with the information below. I
edited it a little bit to fit the overall style of the website. Please check
my meddling and report if you see anything that I missed.
I followed the links in the email and besides the dates being prepopulated
in the Marriott's website, the rates do not reflect the group rate. Just so
you know.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Hillsboro Courtyard by Marriott - Twin Commander
Flight Group Reservation Link
Hi Gang,
Here is a Reservation Link for the Twin Commander Flight Group. This is
another option to make reservations, you can always call the hotel directly
@ 503-690-1800.
When calling the hotel, simply identify yourself with the Twin Commander
Flight Group, as well as provide your group code which is: TWI. In order to
guarantee rates and room availability, please reserve your room by August
19th 2010. If anyone has any difficulties booking rooms, please contact
Jenny Finn directly at 503-268-4414.
To reserve a room with a King-sized bed and a sleeper sofa, at the group
rate of $79 plus 10% rooming tax, please click the link below:
Courtyard Portland
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwia&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10> Hillsboro >>
Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook
prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwia&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10>
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwia&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10>
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fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10>
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<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwia&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10> &app=resvlink&fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10
To reserve a room with two double-sized beds, at the group rate of $89 plus
10% rooming tax, please click the link below:
Courtyard Portland
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10> Hillsboro >>
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10>
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10>
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10>
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib
<http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pdxhs?groupCode=twitwib&app=resvlink&
fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10> &app=resvlink&fromDate=9/9/10&toDate=9/12/10
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue |
I've got an issue with my prop governor and oil pressure on my right engine, LYC
IO 720. The oil pressure was at the low end of the range in cruise, and there
was no more adjustment available, so a new spring was fitted, which brought
cruise oil pressure up to match the left engine in mid-range but idle is still
at the bottom of the range. The prop also won't come off the stops, staying at
high RPM. The only change during annual was that the unfeathering accumulator
was rebuilt.
The governor is going out for a test and potential overhaul, but the oil
pressure has me concerned. The plane is new to me, so I don't have any trend
data on the oil pressure. The governor problem, however, is new.
Anyone familiar with common Lyc failure modes? I have some thoughts and
concerns, but thought I'd get a fresh set of eyes on the problem. I know a few
commanders are fitted with IO 720s.
Thanks
Phil
'60 Twin Bonanza Excalibur
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | More data on that IO 720 |
Oil looks clean with no chips in the filters or screens. Just starting oil
analysis, so no data there.
Thanks again,
PHil
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue |
Completely off-topic, but why does a T-Bone need an accumulator?
Maybe a question for the older heads? Were they used for training at
some point?
Brock
Philip Guziec wrote:
>
> I've got an issue with my prop governor and oil pressure on my right engine,
LYC
> IO 720. The oil pressure was at the low end of the range in cruise, and there
> was no more adjustment available, so a new spring was fitted, which brought
> cruise oil pressure up to match the left engine in mid-range but idle is still
> at the bottom of the range. The prop also won't come off the stops, staying
at
> high RPM. The only change during annual was that the unfeathering accumulator
> was rebuilt.
>
> The governor is going out for a test and potential overhaul, but the oil
> pressure has me concerned. The plane is new to me, so I don't have any trend
> data on the oil pressure. The governor problem, however, is new.
>
> Anyone familiar with common Lyc failure modes? I have some thoughts and
> concerns, but thought I'd get a fresh set of eyes on the problem. I know a few
> commanders are fitted with IO 720s.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
> '60 Twin Bonanza Excalibur
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue |
Brock,
Before you panic check the seat and plunger behind the oil relief spring.
Some time ago I had the same problem with one of my IGS540B1C engines. This
can be a real problem when the oil pressure goes below 35 PSI at hot idle,
as the injector goes full rich. After removing the oil pressure adjusting
nut, spring and piston there was a small piece which was preventing the oil
relief piston from seating. When the engine was at above about 2,800 RPM
the oil supply was great enough to overcome this "leak hole" and everything
was ok, however at low RPM when the pump volume was low too much of the oil
was bypassing and the pump was not pumping enough hot thin oil to overcome
the leak and consiquently the oil pressure was low. Fortunately, I had
suffered the same problem back in the '80s with my Chrysler powered dragster
and I just happened to remember it. Hopefully this is the problem because
it only takes about 15 minutes to fix and at no cost.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue
>
>
> Completely off-topic, but why does a T-Bone need an accumulator?
>
> Maybe a question for the older heads? Were they used for training at
> some point?
>
> Brock
>
> Philip Guziec wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've got an issue with my prop governor and oil pressure on my right
>> engine, LYC
>> IO 720. The oil pressure was at the low end of the range in cruise, and
>> there
>> was no more adjustment available, so a new spring was fitted, which
>> brought
>> cruise oil pressure up to match the left engine in mid-range but idle is
>> still
>> at the bottom of the range. The prop also won't come off the stops,
>> staying at
>> high RPM. The only change during annual was that the unfeathering
>> accumulator
>> was rebuilt.
>>
>> The governor is going out for a test and potential overhaul, but the oil
>> pressure has me concerned. The plane is new to me, so I don't have any
>> trend
>> data on the oil pressure. The governor problem, however, is new.
>>
>> Anyone familiar with common Lyc failure modes? I have some thoughts and
>> concerns, but thought I'd get a fresh set of eyes on the problem. I know
>> a few
>> commanders are fitted with IO 720s.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Phil
>> '60 Twin Bonanza Excalibur
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Flyin Hillsboro, Oregon |
nico StationeryNICO,
THANKS FOR THE WORK.
SINCE I CAN'T MAKE IT THIS YEAR, YOU ARE EXPECTED TO MAKE AN APPERANCE
TO KEEP THE HEAD COUNT UP.
REGARDS,
MOE MILLS
N680rr
680Fp
From: cybersuperstore
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:53 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flyin Hillsboro, Oregon
Folks,
The information for the flyin has been posted onto the website. Please
check it out and let me know if there are any errors, omissions or
recommendations.
Whether I'll be at the flying is still up in the air. It's time that I
get out to one of these things.
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue |
Phil:
What Moe said.
Moe:
At this point in my life, the only panic I have about a commander is
that a client may underestimate the cost of TLC. :-)
Brock
Jack B. Mills wrote:
>
>
> Brock,
>
> Before you panic check the seat and plunger behind the oil relief
> spring. Some time ago I had the same problem with one of my IGS540B1C
> engines. This can be a real problem when the oil pressure goes below 35
> PSI at hot idle, as the injector goes full rich. After removing the oil
> pressure adjusting nut, spring and piston there was a small piece which
> was preventing the oil relief piston from seating. When the engine was
> at above about 2,800 RPM the oil supply was great enough to overcome
> this "leak hole" and everything was ok, however at low RPM when the pump
> volume was low too much of the oil was bypassing and the pump was not
> pumping enough hot thin oil to overcome the leak and consiquently the
> oil pressure was low. Fortunately, I had suffered the same problem back
> in the '80s with my Chrysler powered dragster and I just happened to
> remember it. Hopefully this is the problem because it only takes about
> 15 minutes to fix and at no cost.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680Fp
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:27 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue
>
>>
>>
>> Completely off-topic, but why does a T-Bone need an accumulator?
>>
>> Maybe a question for the older heads? Were they used for training at
>> some point?
>>
>> Brock
>>
>> Philip Guziec wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got an issue with my prop governor and oil pressure on my right
>>> engine, LYC
>>> IO 720. The oil pressure was at the low end of the range in cruise,
>>> and there
>>> was no more adjustment available, so a new spring was fitted, which
>>> brought
>>> cruise oil pressure up to match the left engine in mid-range but idle
>>> is still
>>> at the bottom of the range. The prop also won't come off the stops,
>>> staying at
>>> high RPM. The only change during annual was that the unfeathering
>>> accumulator
>>> was rebuilt.
>>>
>>> The governor is going out for a test and potential overhaul, but the oil
>>> pressure has me concerned. The plane is new to me, so I don't have
>>> any trend
>>> data on the oil pressure. The governor problem, however, is new.
>>>
>>> Anyone familiar with common Lyc failure modes? I have some thoughts and
>>> concerns, but thought I'd get a fresh set of eyes on the problem. I
>>> know a few
>>> commanders are fitted with IO 720s.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Phil
>>> '60 Twin Bonanza Excalibur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: More data on that IO 720 |
I flew a commander, 680FLP with the IO-720s for 1,100 hrs. Oil pressure on
both engines was always at the bottom of the green at idle and at cruise
after it warmed up. Never had the prop problem, however the plane I flew
didn't have a prop accumulator. You might look there, and since the
accumulator was just overhauled seems that's what might be the culprit.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Philip Guziec" <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:53 PM
Subject: Commander-List: More data on that IO 720
>
>
> Oil looks clean with no chips in the filters or screens. Just starting
> oil
> analysis, so no data there.
>
> Thanks again,
> PHil
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue |
Brock,
Wait until you get old and are not IFR current, and talk to your insurance
company about an older pressurized Commander. Panic will set in.
Moe
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue
>
>
> Phil:
>
> What Moe said.
>
> Moe:
>
> At this point in my life, the only panic I have about a commander is
> that a client may underestimate the cost of TLC. :-)
>
> Brock
>
> Jack B. Mills wrote:
>>
>>
>> Brock,
>>
>> Before you panic check the seat and plunger behind the oil relief
>> spring. Some time ago I had the same problem with one of my IGS540B1C
>> engines. This can be a real problem when the oil pressure goes below 35
>> PSI at hot idle, as the injector goes full rich. After removing the oil
>> pressure adjusting nut, spring and piston there was a small piece which
>> was preventing the oil relief piston from seating. When the engine was
>> at above about 2,800 RPM the oil supply was great enough to overcome
>> this "leak hole" and everything was ok, however at low RPM when the pump
>> volume was low too much of the oil was bypassing and the pump was not
>> pumping enough hot thin oil to overcome the leak and consiquently the
>> oil pressure was low. Fortunately, I had suffered the same problem back
>> in the '80s with my Chrysler powered dragster and I just happened to
>> remember it. Hopefully this is the problem because it only takes about
>> 15 minutes to fix and at no cost.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Moe Mills
>> N680RR
>> 680Fp
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:27 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Completely off-topic, but why does a T-Bone need an accumulator?
>>>
>>> Maybe a question for the older heads? Were they used for training at
>>> some point?
>>>
>>> Brock
>>>
>>> Philip Guziec wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got an issue with my prop governor and oil pressure on my right
>>>> engine, LYC
>>>> IO 720. The oil pressure was at the low end of the range in cruise,
>>>> and there
>>>> was no more adjustment available, so a new spring was fitted, which
>>>> brought
>>>> cruise oil pressure up to match the left engine in mid-range but idle
>>>> is still
>>>> at the bottom of the range. The prop also won't come off the stops,
>>>> staying at
>>>> high RPM. The only change during annual was that the unfeathering
>>>> accumulator
>>>> was rebuilt.
>>>>
>>>> The governor is going out for a test and potential overhaul, but the
>>>> oil
>>>> pressure has me concerned. The plane is new to me, so I don't have
>>>> any trend
>>>> data on the oil pressure. The governor problem, however, is new.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone familiar with common Lyc failure modes? I have some thoughts
>>>> and
>>>> concerns, but thought I'd get a fresh set of eyes on the problem. I
>>>> know a few
>>>> commanders are fitted with IO 720s.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Phil
>>>> '60 Twin Bonanza Excalibur
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Completely off-topic, but why does a T-Bone need an accumulator?
Maybe a question for the older heads? Were they used for training at
some point?
Brock
Brock,
While not quite comfortable with being called one of the older heads, I gu
ess I am because I've flown AC680-F series that had accumulators. They we
ren't very effective but they were there to help with restarting the IGSO-
540s.
By the way, I had about a 50/50 success rate with restarting those beasts
after a shut-down. The IGSO-540s were certainly not engines recommended
for multi-engine flight training. I think the accumulators provided a fa
lse sense of security -- or -- they worked really well 40 years ago and no
t since.
Moe, that was some great information on the oil pressure setting for the
IO-720 our T-Bone brother was asking about. Thanks for posting that.
The 680F series Commanders and the Beech Twin Bonanzas were direct competi
tors at the time. Both had similar power plants (Lyc. xGSO-540 and Simmon
ds fuel injectors) and interestingly, both went through an engine / airfra
me upgrade program: The Mr. RPM for the Commanders and the Excalibur for
the T-Bones. There's lots of cross-over for these types when it comes to
owning and operating them now.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IO 720 Governor/Oil Pressure Issue
s.com>
Completely off-topic, but why does a T-Bone need an accumulator?
Maybe a question for the older heads? Were they used for training at
some point?
Brock
Philip Guziec wrote:
com>
>
> I've got an issue with my prop governor and oil pressure on my right eng
ine,
LYC
> IO 720. The oil pressure was at the low end of the range in cruise, an
d
there
> was no more adjustment available, so a new spring was fitted, which bro
ught
> cruise oil pressure up to match the left engine in mid-range but idle is
still
> at the bottom of the range. The prop also won't come off the stops, st
aying
at
> high RPM. The only change during annual was that the unfeathering
accumulator
> was rebuilt.
>
> The governor is going out for a test and potential overhaul, but the oil
> pressure has me concerned. The plane is new to me, so I don't have any
trend
> data on the oil pressure. The governor problem, however, is new.
>
> Anyone familiar with common Lyc failure modes? I have some thoughts and
> concerns, but thought I'd get a fresh set of eyes on the problem. I kno
w a
few
> commanders are fitted with IO 720s.
>
> Thanks
> Phil
> '60 Twin Bonanza Excalibur
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Thanks for the help. |
Moe, Brock, Keith, Ray and all. Thanks for the suggestions. I figured somebody
would have similar experience from the sister aircraft. I'll report back when
we nail down the problem.
Phil
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: More data on that IO 720 |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HELLO PHIL....There is nothing unique about the 720 oil system, it is the
same as most direct drive lycs. If the O.P. is low at idle (or any RPM)
and the adjustment spring cant compensate for it, The engine is bypassing
oil. Usually, the OP will be high (to high) when the oil is cold, and th
en drop off with the rise in temp. No good news here. Probably camshaft
bearing to engine case clearance?? How much TSOH? Could be the seat tha
t the op ball sits in. These can be changed fairly easily, or the ball it
self?? I have run GSO-480s many hours with this malady, I even used 120
weight oi to help outl, and the engine did not expire. My propeller did
work normally.
Assuming the propellers are steel clamp, counterweighted Hartzells, there
is a large spring that takes the blades to high pitch/ feather. If the
propeller does not get enough engine op, it cannot come out of high pitch
or feather. sorry, but it sounds like an engine problem to me.
jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com>
g.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: More data on that IO 720
m>
Oil looks clean with no chips in the filters or screens. Just starting oi
l
nalysis, so no data there.
Thanks again,
Hil
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| From: | craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information |
Hello gang,
Made my reservations. Looking forward to the visit. 747H is settling in
nicely!
Craig
________________________________
From: "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 3:56:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information
We've booked a block of rooms for the Fly-In at the Courtyard Marriott in
Hillsboro (just a few miles from the airport) at a rate of $79 for a single king
room or $89 for double/double room (plus taxes). Reservations can be made by
calling the hotel directly: (503)690-1800. Be sure to mention you're with the
Twin Commander Flight Group to get this rate. You can check out the hotel at
www.mariott.com/pdxhs.
These rates are only good through August 19th so be sure to book early.
The Pacific Northwest is beautiful this time of year and we recommend coming
early or staying after the fly-in to explore the incredible sights. Both the
Oregon Coast and Crater Lake are only a 2 hour's drive from Portland, plus there
are many great wineries and golf courses to explore. Portland is a perfect
place for "foodies" with an amazing selection of award winning restaurants.
Can't wait to see all of you and get caught up on what's been happening during
the last year.
~Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | [TruthByRushDelivery] Power Freak |
A bit of sentimental aviation recollection.
By Nico to TruthByRushDelivery
<http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2010/08/power-freak.html> at 8/06/2010
03:08:00 PM
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | ALMOST SILLY QUESTION TO 500B OWNERS |
I'VE HAD MY 500B FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE EXTERNAL
PART IS OR DOES. THERE IS A 3/16 INCH RAM AIR TUBE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF
THE AIRCRAFT ABOUT 1 INCH BELOW THE PITOT TUBE. ANY IDEAS? THANKS,LLOYD
(N6290X).
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ALMOST SILLY QUESTION TO 500B OWNERS |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Not so silly. None of us were born knowing everything about Commanders.
Well, except for one or two people.
I'm digging deep here, having forgotten most of what I know about Commande
rs. I believe that tube is for reference pressure for the fuel flow gauge
. In various aircraft I visited over the years fuel flow anomalies were
sometimes traced to that being plugged or disconnected.
By the way, it is not de or anti-iced. Flying in icing conditions will
play havoc with your fuel flow gauge ... just when you're worrying about
all kinds of other stuff.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 7:04 am
Subject: Commander-List: ALMOST SILLY QUESTION TO 500B OWNERS
I'VE HAD MY 500B FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE EXTERNAL PART
IS OR DOES. THERE IS A 3/16 INCH RAM AIR TUBE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE AI
RCRAFT ABOUT 1 INCH BELOW THE PITOT TUBE. ANY IDEAS? THANKS,LLOYD (N6290
X).
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| Subject: | Registration Packets |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Registration packets went out to members this week. If you did not receiv
e yours or would like us to send you the information send us an e-mail you
rtcfg(at)aol.com and we can get you the information.
We're getting excited about seeing all of you again and meeting new friend
s.
~Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: ALMOST SILLY QUESTION TO 500B OWNERS |
| From: | lloyd SILVERMAN <lloydsss(at)gmail.com> |
THANKS KEITH, THAT SOLVES THE SILLY QUESTION & MY FUEL FLOW PROBLEM.IT WAS
CLOGGED BY A MUD BUG,
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:04 AM, lloyd silverman wrote:
> I'VE HAD MY 500B FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE EXTERNAL
> PART IS OR DOES. THERE IS A 3/16 INCH RAM AIR TUBE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE
> AIRCRAFT ABOUT 1 INCH BELOW THE PITOT TUBE. ANY IDEAS? THANKS,LLOYD
> (N6290X).
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
LLOYD
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| Subject: | Re: ALMOST SILLY QUESTION TO 500B OWNERS |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
THANKS KEITH, THAT SOLVES THE SILLY QUESTION & MY FUEL FLOW PROBLEM.IT WAS
CLOGGED BY A MUD BUG,
There you go. Sometimes free advice is worth every penny. And, it shows
the value of the Twin Commander Flight Group. That's what it / we are al
l about.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd SILVERMAN <lloydsss(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: ALMOST SILLY QUESTION TO 500B OWNERS
THANKS KEITH, THAT SOLVES THE SILLY QUESTION & MY FUEL FLOW PROBLEM.IT WAS
CLOGGED BY A MUD BUG,
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 10:04 AM, lloyd silverman wrot
e:
I'VE HAD MY 500B FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS AND DON'T KNOW WHAT ONE EXTERNAL PART
IS OR DOES. THERE IS A 3/16 INCH RAM AIR TUBE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE AI
RCRAFT ABOUT 1 INCH BELOW THE PITOT TUBE. ANY IDEAS? THANKS,LLOYD (N6290
X).
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Hi Stan,
I hope you are keeping well, and busy!
I wondered whether you plan to attend the Fly-In at Hillsboro.
If so, would you be willing to bring Ron Smith with you again?
I'll be emailing Ron shortly regarding something else, but if you do
plan on attending and are willing to pick Ron up, I can ask him whether
he would like to attend.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: Avgas Matter -- Your Help is Needed |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I encourage all of you to send this letter. Feel free to personalize it
if you wish.
~jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Clean 100 Octane Coalition <avgas100now(at)100octaneformyplane.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 5:41 am
Subject: Avgas Matter -- Your Help is Needed
August 7, 2010
Dear Aero Commander owner,
Thank you for expressing your support for a 100 octane replacement fuel fo
r 100LL. Those of us at The Clean 100 Octane Coalition appreciate your su
pport, and request your further participation in an important letter-writi
ng campaign to the Environmental Protection Agency.
As you are probably aware, the EPA has issued an Advanced Notice of Propos
ed Rulemaking to remove tetra-ethyl lead from 100LL aviation fuel. Your
coalition is not fighting this action =93 it has been coming for a
long time, and we are certain the EPA will prevail. However, it is very
important that the implementation be closely coordinated with the FAA
=99s replacement fuel selection and certification process. Such coordi
nation is not assured and comments from both parties over the past months
have indicated that, in fact, it has not been occurring.
The EPA is currently in a listening mode {the ANPR comment period} which
ends August 27. And comments issued by EPA indicate they may be open to
revisiting their planned implementation program for the proposed action.
This is our opportunity to have influence, and we may not have another.
We need to send as many letters to EPA during this comment period as we ca
n. Your part, if you choose to help, is to send a letter which expresses
your concern that EPA coordinate its activities with the FAA process.
Toward that end, we have prepared a letter template which you can download
, customize if you wish, print, sign and mail. Please obtain this letter
by clicking, or pasting into your browser, the following link:
http://www.100octaneformyplane.com/uploads/EPA_Advanced_NPRM_Letter_Doc_Fi
nal.doc
Please do this now if you can. Don=99t put it off. And please tell
others. You may forward this email if you wish. We need letters
=93 lots of letters! They need to arrive on the EPA desk no later than 27
August!
Thanks for your help.
Your Friends at The Clean 100 Octane Coalition
www.100octaneformyplane.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Avgas Matter -- Your Help is Needed |
JB,
This is a very important subject to get us to a unleaded AVGAS.
This web site has all the latest news that is coming out very fast.
Lots was said and done at Oshkosh to move the process along to getting
us to a drop in replacement for 100LL.
I have been on the unleaded AVGAS committee and have been watching this
development process very closely.
If I can get to OR, i would love to talk about what is happening.
Is anyone going to the meeting in OR from the SouthWest or going
throughout and have an empty seat???
I am in Albuquerque and would contribute to cost of fuel.
Dan Farmer, please give me a call.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Aug 9, 2010, at 9:22 PM, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> I encourage all of you to send this letter. Feel free to personalize
it if you wish.
>
> ~jb
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clean 100 Octane Coalition <avgas100now(at)100octaneformyplane.com>
> To: YOURTCFG(at)AOL.COM
> Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 5:41 am
> Subject: Avgas Matter -- Your Help is Needed
>
>
>
>
> August 7, 2010
>
>
>
> Dear Aero Commander owner,
>
> Thank you for expressing your support for a 100 octane replacement
fuel for 100LL. Those of us at The Clean 100 Octane Coalition
appreciate your support, and request your further participation in an
important letter-writing campaign to the Environmental Protection
Agency.
>
> As you are probably aware, the EPA has issued an Advanced Notice of
Proposed Rulemaking to remove tetra-ethyl lead from 100LL aviation fuel.
Your coalition is not fighting this action ' it has been coming for a
long time, and we are certain the EPA will prevail. However, it is very
important that the implementation be closely coordinated with the FAA=92s
replacement fuel selection and certification process. Such coordination
is not assured and comments from both parties over the past months have
indicated that, in fact, it has not been occurring.
>
> The EPA is currently in a listening mode {the ANPR comment period}
which ends August 27. And comments issued by EPA indicate they may be
open to revisiting their planned implementation program for the proposed
action. This is our opportunity to have influence, and we may not have
another.
>
> We need to send as many letters to EPA during this comment period as
we can. Your part, if you choose to help, is to send a letter which
expresses your concern that EPA coordinate its activities with the FAA
process.
>
> Toward that end, we have prepared a letter template which you can
download, customize if you wish, print, sign and mail. Please obtain
this letter by clicking, or pasting into your browser, the following
link:
>
>
http://www.100octaneformyplane.com/uploads/EPA_Advanced_NPRM_Letter_Doc_Fi
nal.doc
>
> Please do this now if you can. Don=92t put it off. And please tell
others. You may forward this email if you wish. We need letters '
lots of letters! They need to arrive on the EPA desk no later than 27
August!
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
> Your Friends at The Clean 100 Octane Coalition
> www.100octaneformyplane.com
>
>
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| Subject: | AC500B Crash, Burns, OR |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Twin Commanders,
An Aero Commander 500B crashed near Burns, Oregon, while en route from Red
ding, CA (KRDD) to Montana.
The news article I read is listed here:
http://www.ktvz.com/news/24607311/detail.html
I did some very quick and dirty research because the news report was full
of typical inaccuracies and I wrote the following comment for the article
but did not post it because I would have had to register on their web sit
e ... and I'm already registered on too many web sites.
So, for you gentlemen:
There are several inaccuracies in this report, which is to be expected fro
m the general news media. Aero Commanders do not have a history of wing
failures. There are a few instances of tail failure on the turbine power
ed models and there is a recurring inspection required on some models of
Twin Commanders for wing spar corrosion. The model 500B is exempt from
this inspection requirement. A search of FAA Airman's Records shows two
pilots with the name of the deceased pilot, (perhaps father and son) livi
ng in Bonsall, California. Neither are instrument rated; only one is list
ed as having a multi-engine rating. If there were clouds in the area as
reported by the witness, ("...Witnesses said the plane, a 1962 Aero Comma
nder Model 500-B, could be heard coming out of the clouds, straight for th
e ground...=9D) an instrument rating to be in those clouds would ha
ve been required. There is no record of an Instrument Flight Plan in the
ATC system for an Twin Commander 500B on Wednesday between Redding, CA (K
RDD) and Montana, nor anywhere else.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: AC500B Crash, Burns, OR |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Thanks Keith so much. I have not had a subscription to ANY news paper for
years. Every time they report ANYTHING about a subject I am intimate wit
h, they get it WRONG. Usually WAY WRONG. That means that all of the othe
r information they print is also wrong, we just don't know the subject mat
ter well enough to know what the errors are. It is therefor a waste of ti
me to read the paper. Thanks for your correction. Hope you can make it
to Hillsboro!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 9:04 pm
Subject: Commander-List: AC500B Crash, Burns, OR
Twin Commanders,
An Aero Commander 500B crashed near Burns, Oregon, while en route from Red
ding, CA (KRDD) to Montana.
The news article I read is listed here:
http://www.ktvz.com/news/24607311/detail.html
I did some very quick and dirty research because the news report was full
of typical inaccuracies and I wrote the following comment for the article
but did not post it because I would have had to register on their web sit
e ... and I'm already registered on too many web sites.
So, for you gentlemen:
There are several inaccuracies in this report, which is to be expected fro
m the general news media. Aero Commanders do not have a history of wing
failures. There are a few instances of tail failure on the turbine power
ed models and there is a recurring inspection required on some models of
Twin Commanders for wing spar corrosion. The model 500B is exempt from
this inspection requirement. A search of FAA Airman's Records shows two
pilots with the name of the deceased pilot, (perhaps father and son) livi
ng in Bonsall, California. Neither are instrument rated; only one is list
ed as having a multi-engine rating. If there were clouds in the area as
reported by the witness, ("...Witnesses said the plane, a 1962 Aero Comma
nder Model 500-B, could be heard coming out of the clouds, straight for th
e ground...=9D) an instrument rating to be in those clouds would hav
e been required. There is no record of an Instrument Flight Plan in the
ATC system for an Twin Commander 500B on Wednesday between Redding, CA (K
RDD) and Montana, nor anywhere else.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Re: AC500B Crash, Burns, OR |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Every time they report ANYTHING about a subject I am intimate with, they
get it WRONG. Usually WAY WRONG.
Capt. JimBob,
Until one is the subject (target) of a news article, or, as you say, it's
about a subject you're intimately familiar with, one can never appreciate
how bad the vast majority of news reporting is. Keep that in mind when
you read / watch / hear news of any kind.
I may have seemed harsh in my assessment of the the crash; I don't hold an
y anger towards the people who died in this crash. I can only begin to ima
gine what they felt when they came out the bottom of a cloud close to the
ground and realized their lives were over. Was it terror? Peace? We'll
never know. I also know the anguish their family and friends are experie
ncing now.
My reaction was to the reporting and the sense of drama the reporter was
trying to create with misplaced facts. OK. I am being protective of the
aircraft line. I admit that.
As for Hillsboro, it will be a last minute go / no go decision for me due
to my work "schedule" -- which is a word that can't be used in a sentence
describing corporate aviation.
Best to all,
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 13, 2010 8:14 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500B Crash, Burns, OR
Thanks Keith so much. I have not had a subscription to ANY news paper for
years. Every time they report ANYTHING about a subject I am intimate wit
h, they get it WRONG. Usually WAY WRONG. That means that all of the othe
r information they print is also wrong, we just don't know the subject mat
ter well enough to know what the errors are. It is therefor a waste of ti
me to read the paper. Thanks for your correction. Hope you can make it
to Hillsboro!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S. Gordon <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 12, 2010 9:04 pm
Subject: Commander-List: AC500B Crash, Burns, OR
Twin Commanders,
An Aero Commander 500B crashed near Burns, Oregon, while en route from Red
ding, CA (KRDD) to Montana.
The news article I read is listed here:
http://www.ktvz.com/news/24607311/detail.html
I did some very quick and dirty research because the news report was full
of typical inaccuracies and I wrote the following comment for the article
but did not post it because I would have had to register on their web sit
e ... and I'm already registered on too many web sites.
So, for you gentlemen:
There are several inaccuracies in this report, which is to be expected fro
m the general news media. Aero Commanders do not have a history of wing
failures. There are a few instances of tail failure on the turbine power
ed models and there is a recurring inspection required on some models of
Twin Commanders for wing spar corrosion. The model 500B is exempt from
this inspection requirement. A search of FAA Airman's Records shows two
pilots with the name of the deceased pilot, (perhaps father and son) livi
ng in Bonsall, California. Neither are instrument rated; only one is list
ed as having a multi-engine rating. If there were clouds in the area as
reported by the witness, ("...Witnesses said the plane, a 1962 Aero Comma
nder Model 500-B, could be heard coming out of the clouds, straight for th
e ground...=9D) an instrument rating to be in those clouds would hav
e been required. There is no record of an Instrument Flight Plan in the
ATC system for an Twin Commander 500B on Wednesday between Redding, CA (K
RDD) and Montana, nor anywhere else.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| Subject: | Hurry to get your Hotel Reservations |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
REMINDER:
The group rate for the Hotel at Hillsboro will expire August 19th so be su
re to get your reservations made by then to take advantage of a great rate
. Our group rate is $79 and the current room rate without discounts is $1
29!!!!
Can't wait to see you there!!!!
~Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information |
Hi Jim
Please accept this as registration for Imran and Matt from Australia.
If you are happy to take credit card details over the email I will provide -
otherwise they can pay you in cash on arrival in USA.
Kind Regards
David
Cost:
$150 per person for current members
$200 per person for non members
Please legibly complete this form in its entirety and return with your
registration fees to TCFG no later than SEPTEMBER 1ST. Pre-registration is
crucial to the success of this event!
NAME Imran Ismawi and Matthew Hooper
COMPANY NAME Tasair Pty Ltd
ADDRESS Hobart International Airport CITY CambridgeSTATE Tas ZIP CODE 7170
COUNTRY Australia PHONE +61 438 312973
EMAIL DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com ARRIVAL DATE 9 September NUMBER ATTENDING
2
(List all those in your party so we can prepare name tags)
AIRCRAFT INFORMATION:
Will you be flying your Commander? NOPE (bit far to bring it over from
Australia)
RETURN WITH REGISTRATION FEE TO: TCFG, 38205 SE 70TH ST, WASHOUGAL, WA 98671
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) DipAvMed(Otago) ACCAM(Monash) MHeathSci(OccMed)
FAFOEM(RACP)
Consultant Occupational Physician
Occupational, Legal and Aviation Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
Mob 0438 312973
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information
We've booked a block of rooms for the Fly-In at the Courtyard Marriott in
Hillsboro (just a few miles from the airport) at a rate of $79 for a single
king room or $89 for double/double room (plus taxes). Reservations can be
made by calling the hotel directly: (503)690-1800. Be sure to mention
you're with the Twin Commander Flight Group to get this rate. You can check
out the hotel at www.mariott.com/pdxhs.
These rates are only good through August 19th so be sure to book early.
The Pacific Northwest is beautiful this time of year and we recommend coming
early or staying after the fly-in to explore the incredible sights. Both
the Oregon Coast and Crater Lake are only a 2 hour's drive from Portland,
plus there are many great wineries and golf courses to explore. Portland is
a perfect place for "foodies" with an amazing selection of award winning
restaurants.
Can't wait to see all of you and get caught up on what's been happening
during the last year.
~Jim & Sue
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
04:34:00
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| From: | "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> |
| Subject: | 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information |
Sorry everyone. That was meant for Jimbob.
To quote the most revered American here in Australia.. DUH!!!
Must learn not to send emails at 3am Australian time.
Hope you enjoy the fly-in - sorry I can't be there - keep an eye on Imran
and Matt (don't let them get into too much trouble)
;)
David
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) DipAvMed(Otago) ACCAM(Monash) MHeathSci(OccMed)
FAFOEM(RACP)
Consultant Occupational Physician
Occupational, Legal and Aviation Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
Mob 0438 312973
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Fitzgerald
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 3:27 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information
Hi Jim
Please accept this as registration for Imran and Matt from Australia.
If you are happy to take credit card details over the email I will provide -
otherwise they can pay you in cash on arrival in USA.
Kind Regards
David
Cost:
$150 per person for current members
$200 per person for non members
Please legibly complete this form in its entirety and return with your
registration fees to TCFG no later than SEPTEMBER 1ST. Pre-registration is
crucial to the success of this event!
NAME Imran Ismawi and Matthew Hooper
COMPANY NAME Tasair Pty Ltd
ADDRESS Hobart International Airport CITY CambridgeSTATE Tas ZIP CODE 7170
COUNTRY Australia PHONE +61 438 312973
EMAIL DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com ARRIVAL DATE 9 September NUMBER ATTENDING
2
(List all those in your party so we can prepare name tags)
AIRCRAFT INFORMATION:
Will you be flying your Commander? NOPE (bit far to bring it over from
Australia)
RETURN WITH REGISTRATION FEE TO: TCFG, 38205 SE 70TH ST, WASHOUGAL, WA 98671
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) DipAvMed(Otago) ACCAM(Monash) MHeathSci(OccMed)
FAFOEM(RACP)
Consultant Occupational Physician
Occupational, Legal and Aviation Medicine
DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com
Mob 0438 312973
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:57 AM
Subject: Commander-List: 2010 Fly-in Hotel Information
We've booked a block of rooms for the Fly-In at the Courtyard Marriott in
Hillsboro (just a few miles from the airport) at a rate of $79 for a single
king room or $89 for double/double room (plus taxes). Reservations can be
made by calling the hotel directly: (503)690-1800. Be sure to mention
you're with the Twin Commander Flight Group to get this rate. You can check
out the hotel at www.mariott.com/pdxhs.
These rates are only good through August 19th so be sure to book early.
The Pacific Northwest is beautiful this time of year and we recommend coming
early or staying after the fly-in to explore the incredible sights. Both
the Oregon Coast and Crater Lake are only a 2 hour's drive from Portland,
plus there are many great wineries and golf courses to explore. Portland is
a perfect place for "foodies" with an amazing selection of award winning
restaurants.
Can't wait to see all of you and get caught up on what's been happening
during the last year.
~Jim & Sue
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
04:34:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
16:35:00
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| Subject: | Group Rates for Hotel |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Just another friendly reminder that the group rate at the Courtyard Marrio
tt expire tomorrow night at midnight. Be sure to make your reservations
to secure to rate!
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | TCFG Membership/Vendor Directory |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
It's that time of year to submit any changes to your data for the director
y or suggestions, changes, additions to the vendor portion. We need any
changes by September 1st.
Thanks!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
There is a nice news article in Aero-news.net from yesterday.
Brad Goldman flies a 500S for fire fighting out of Arlington, WA.
Always nice to see Good News for a change.
Tylor Hall
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Fw: Fwd: New Jeppesen Approach Chart |
----- Original Message -----
From: bill keating<mailto:res0y58p(at)verizon.net>
mbelleville(at)tampabay.rr.com ;
edmege(at)optonline.net ;
davidwojdac(at)yahoo.com ;
flyinggyros(at)verizon.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: New Jeppesen Approach Chart
Aug 23, 2010 07:26:47 PM,
63whiskey(at)gmail.com wrote:
Sent: 8/22/2010 3:37:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: FW: New LGA Jepp
Subject: New LGA Jepp
<http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=121371&filename=phpSVIaCy.j
peg>
--
Margaret Thatcher: "The trouble with Socialism is, sooner or later you
run out of other people's money."
"When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both."
=93 James Dale Davidson, National Taxpayers Union
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own."
- Unknown
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Hydraulic pressure regulator - again |
Hello,
I'm back looking for a hydraulic pressure regulator for a AC-680FLP, Mr
RPM Conversion again. The item we obtained was for an FL model, not the
FLP. If you have the following let me know if you would like to sell
same.
Here's the part number: 3790198-505
What I received before was a combined accumulator/pressure regulator.
The actual item I need is smaller and has no accumulator associated with
it.
Thanks,
Ray Mansfield
N91ES
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS....I have some great news!! Matt Isley , the President of Twin Co
mmander Aircraft will be attending this years fly-in!! He will be bringin
g with him Geoffery Pence, the Tech support expert and Mark Matheson. If
you have been vacillating on attending this year, I hope this will convin
ce you to attend. You will have a chance to meet with and get to know the
e great people!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
If you are planning on attending the fly-in please let us know so that we
can give the caterers the appropriate numbers for food. We would hate to
not have enough for everyone or conversely we don't want to have too much
either. If you haven't registered just send us an email at yourtcfg@aol.
com and let us know you plan to attend.
Looking forward to seeing you all in a few weeks.
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Fly-in Reminder |
| From: | white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com |
I've sent my registration. Can you confirm you've received
it.
Craig Kennedy
N747H
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:17:07
Reminder
If you are planning on attending the fly-in please let
us know so that we can give the caterers the appropriat
e numbers for food. We would hate to not have enough
for everyone or conversely we don't want to have too
much either. If you haven't registered just send us
an email at yourtcfg(at)aol.com and let us know you plan
to attend.
Looking forward to seeing you all in a few weeks.
~jb
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Please submit any changes for your personal information AND any suggestion
s or changes to the vendor portion to us by this Thursday. This includes
a picture of your airplane if we do not have one in the Directory.
You can email any changes to us at yourtcfg(at)aol.com.
Thanks!
~Jim & Sue
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Greetings TCFG Members,
I know you'll find this shocking, but we just returned from the Post Offic
e where mailed off a Flight Group Newsletter to TCFG members!!! Enjoy!!!
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| Subject: | COME ON, LETS GO TO THE FLY-IN!!!!!!! |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS....Well, here it is fly-in time again and what a shame so few want
to come!! We hear all the excuses. There are 4 (That is FOUR) people co
ming from Australia (about 24 hours travel time) and another arriving from
England, yet many of those living in California (one state away) simply
cant bring themselves to make time to attend!!!! Yes life is hectic and
the economy sucks. There will always be soccer games to attend or a ches
s match to watch or whatever. These events are planned for YOU, the Comma
nder enthusiast.
Sue and I always notice how quiet the chat list goes as the fly in appro
aches. Come on people, be spontaneous and COME OUT HERE. We can still ma
ke room and the motel will still give you a great rate. All of you who la
mented they missed last year's event, where Bob Hoover spoke at our dinner
and promised that next year they will get there no matter what, well, it
is next year. It is a great time with great people. We would love to se
e you, so jump in your airplane, airliner or car and come! jb
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | 2010 News Letter |
Guess what I just got!!!
I sat down and read it cover to cover.
JimBob, thank your for your wonderful service to this group.
Keep it up for many more years.
I want to thank you for having TCFG support 100octaneformyplane.com. Our group
and many other A/C type groups need to be informed on this issue as it moves
forward.
I will disagree with you on having a 92/94 octane fuel for the future. We need
a drop in unleaded aviation fuel that will directly replace the existing AVGAS
100LL. There are too many technical details like no ethanol and proper RVP
that would make a auto fuel not work in our or any other high power piston aircraft
engined aircraft. The value of our aircraft would drop to Zero if no proper
fuel was available.
I am watching the development very closely. I spoke with GAMI even today. There
is real progress being made.
There are two product under development for aviation. Sunoco is selling a 100
octane racing fuel that has no lead in it. I do not think they are concerned
about the aviation market. But the technology to make it is out there.
We need to keep the EPA nailed down until the product is available. We also need
to put pressure on the FAA to allow some production testing in many different
aircraft and in many different conditions,
I regret that I will not be able to be at the meeting this year. Have a Great
Meeting.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - |
Jacksonville News Stor...
----- Original Message -----
From: scott<mailto:sboyn(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Stor...
From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com<mailto:MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com>
Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Story - W
Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Story - WJXT
Jacksonville<http://www.news4jax.com/news/24925931/detail.html>
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a good
thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it turned around
the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scott
> To: lloyd silverman
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville
News Stor...
>
>
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>>
>>
>> From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com
>> Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
>> To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
>> Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News
Story - W
>>
>>
>> Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Story - WJXT Jacksonville
>
>
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF
PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON
BOARD.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES
OF BAD COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN
FLIGHT I EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO
ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION.
THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DIDN'T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL
YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall<mailto:tylorhall(at)mac.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is
a good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it
turned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: scott<mailto:sboyn(at)frontiernet.net>
To: lloyd silverman
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Stor...
From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com<mailto:MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com>
Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Story - W
Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Story -
WJXT Jacksonville<http://www.news4jax.com/news/24925931/detail.html>
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told
her to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to
fuel the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck
Bill Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get
mixing, the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and
both engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The
delivery truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out
when he hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced
manifold pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the
end of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
> TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT
OF PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON
BOARD.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES
OF BAD COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN
FLIGHT I EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO
ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION.
THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DIDN=92T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL
YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tylor Hall
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
>
> Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is
a good thing.
> Too bad you can't use the plane again.
> That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
> Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it
turned around the other quits?
> I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
>
> Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: scott
>> To: lloyd silverman
>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Stor...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com
>>> Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
>>> To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
>>> Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Story - W
>>>
>>>
>>> Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Story -
WJXT Jacksonville
>>
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onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=92T QUIT AND IM
STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY
REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO
COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall<mailto:tylorhall(at)mac.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told
her to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to
fuel the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that
Duck Bill Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get
mixing, the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and
both engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The
delivery truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out
when he hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced
manifold pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw
the end of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT
OF PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON
BOARD.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES
OF BAD COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN
FLIGHT I EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO
ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION.
THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DIDN=92T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL
YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall<mailto:tylorhall(at)mac.com>
To:
commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines
quit is a good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you
have it turned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: scott<mailto:sboyn(at)frontiernet.net>
To: lloyd silverman
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Stor...
From:
MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com
Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Story - W
Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News
Story - WJXT
Jacksonville<http://www.news4jax.com/news/24925931/detail.html>
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| From: | craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing
heavy =0Aback smoke... Fuel your own plane.=0A=0ACraig=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____
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=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On =0AI-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...=0A=0A =0ATYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL L
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=0ACOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Tyl
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, 2010 9:22 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report:
Co-Pilot Landed Plane On =0A>I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...=0A>=0A>LLoyd,
=0A>It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.=0A>I stopped a new line gir
l from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her to =0A>go get the jet
truck.=0A>I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the lin
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to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bill =0A>Jet n
ozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.=0A>=0A>=0A>With a Commander
and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing, the =0A>Jet A
being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.=0A>Then each engine gets almos
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=0A>On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:=0A>=0A>TYLOR, ABOUT
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THE 80% 100 OCT IS =0A>WHY WE DIDN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATC
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
We should have been at the fly-in. But, I guess we are keeping the home
fires burning while the others are holding the Group's flag high in
Hillsboro.
I wrote about this a while ago, but I had my 500's tanks filled with Jet
fuel when I wasn't looking. I had to rush into town in a smaller city
because I was already latish, and it was taken care of by the FBO. What I
didn't know (and it wouldn't have changed the outcome either) was that
turbine Commanders were flying in and out of this airport at night doing
freight runs. So, the linesman did what he was used to and filled her up
with avtur. I don't know how the nozzles business worked for the poor guy,
but when I got back and was handed the bill for the fuel, it was about 100
bucks less than I expected. If I had been a greedy guy, I might have taken
off thinking I got a bargain, but I complained. That's when they checked the
receipt and verified that the amount was correct and that's what avtur
costs.
So, the FBO drained the contaminated fuel, filled the tanks with avgas, let
it sit for a weekend, drained it again and filled it one more time with
fresh gas. Then he took samples of the fuel and sent them to the oil company
for verification that the fuel is clean. It took more than a week before I
got back to my Charlie and took her home. The FBO picked up the tab and paid
for my commercial flight tickets to boot. All I had to pay was for the
difference between avtur and avgas.
The local DCA (the equivalent of the FAA in South Africa back then) sent me
a letter of reprimand because I didn't supervise my refueling operation
personally.
I firmly believe that I would have crashed on that short runway when the
engines would have quit as I hung a couple of hundred feet above the
neighborhood.
It pays not to be greedy.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On
I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing
heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
_____
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On
I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN'T QUIT AND IM STILL
HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY
REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO
COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On
I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her
to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel
the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bill
Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing,
the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and both
engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The
delivery truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when
he hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced
manifold pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the end
of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF
PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE
IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD
COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I
EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER
WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY
WE DIDN'T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On
I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a
good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it
turned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: scott <mailto:sboyn(at)frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville
News Stor...
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Amen!
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11=2C 2010=2C at 12:09 AM=2C "cybersuperstore" wrote:
> We should have been at the fly-in. But=2C I guess we are keeping the home
fires burning while the others are holding the Group's flag high in Hillsb
oro.
>
> I wrote about this a while ago=2C but I had my 500's tanks filled with Je
t fuel when I wasn't looking. I had to rush into town in a smaller city bec
ause I was already latish=2C and it was taken care of by the FBO. What I di
dn't know (and it wouldn't have changed the outcome either) was that turbin
e Commanders were flying in and out of this airport at night doing freight
runs. So=2C the linesman did what he was used to and filled her up with avt
ur. I don't know how the nozzles business worked for the poor guy=2C but wh
en I got back and was handed the bill for the fuel=2C it was about 100 buck
s less than I expected. If I had been a greedy guy=2C I might have taken of
f thinking I got a bargain=2C but I complained. That's when they checked th
e receipt and verified that the amount was correct and that's what avtur co
sts.
>
> So=2C the FBO drained the contaminated fuel=2C filled the tanks with avga
s=2C let it sit for a weekend=2C drained it again and filled it one more ti
me with fresh gas. Then he took samples of the fuel and sent them to the oi
l company for verification that the fuel is clean. It took more than a week
before I got back to my Charlie and took her home. The FBO picked up the t
ab and paid for my commercial flight tickets to boot. All I had to pay was
for the difference between avtur and avgas.
>
> The local DCA (the equivalent of the FAA in South Africa back then) sent
me a letter of reprimand because I didn't supervise my refueling operation
personally.
>
> I firmly believe that I would have crashed on that short runway when the
engines would have quit as I hung a couple of hundred feet above the neighb
orhood.
>
> It pays not to be greedy.
>
> Nico
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-l
ist-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy
> Sent: Friday=2C September 10=2C 2010 9:40 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
>
> Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailin
g heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
>
> Craig
>
> From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri=2C September 10=2C 2010 6:51:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
>
> TYLOR=2C I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=99T QUIT AND
IM STILL HERE.
> BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY R
EPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER
. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tylor Hall
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday=2C September 10=2C 2010 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
>
> LLoyd=2C
> It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
> I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told he
r to go get the jet truck.
> I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel
the aircraft or there will be a problem.
> It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck B
ill Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
>
> With a Commander and the single main fuel tank=2C if you do not get mixin
g=2C the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
> Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and bot
h engines quit.
>
> I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The del
ivery truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when he
hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
> We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced mani
fold pressures.
> That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the e
nd of runway lights and did a missed.
> Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Sep 10=2C 2010=2C at 6:52 PM=2C lloyd silverman wrote:
>
>
> TYLOR=2C ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT=2C OUT
OF PORTLAND MAINE=2C I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD
.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD
COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERI
ENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH
COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE
DIDN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tylor Hall
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Friday=2C September 10=2C 2010 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
>
> Wow=2C getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is
a good thing.
> Too bad you can't use the plane again.
> That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
> Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it tu
rned around the other quits?
> I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
>
> Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Sep 10=2C 2010=2C at 5:54 PM=2C lloyd silverman wrote:
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scott
> To: lloyd silverman
> Sent: Friday=2C September 10=2C 2010 10:57 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvi
lle News Stor...
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com
>> Date: September 9=2C 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
>> To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
>> Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville
News Story - W
>>
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acksonville
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| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
I read about Mr Hoover's Jet fuel experience in his book...what amazed
me was he sought out the line-boy (just a teenager) and told him that in
the future he wanted him, and him only to fuel his aircraft. Gave the
kid back some pride, and for sure that young man wasn't going to mess up
again. Bob Hoover is not only an excellent pilot, but also a true
gentleman.
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: craig kennedy
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off
trailing heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=99T QUIT AND
IM STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY
TEMPORARILY REPLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED
ATURBO COMMANDER. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed
Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and
told her to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to
fuel the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that
Duck Bill Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get
mixing, the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground
and both engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel.
The delivery truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed
out when he hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced
manifold pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw
the end of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT,
OUT OF PORTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON
BOARD.THERE IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES
OF BAD COINCIDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN
FLIGHT I EXPERIENCED HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO
ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COWL FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION.
THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DIDN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM
FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot
Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines
quit is a good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you
have it turned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: scott
To: lloyd silverman
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10
- Jacksonville News Stor...
From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com
Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
To: MonicaBobb24(at)aol.com
Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 -
Jacksonville News Story - W
Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville News
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
AMEN jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 10, 2010 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
I read about Mr Hoover's Jet fuel experience in his book...what amazed me
was he sought out the line-boy (just a teenager) and told him that in the
future he wanted him, and him only to fuel his aircraft. Gave the kid bac
k some pride, and for sure that young man wasn't going to mess up again.
Bob Hoover is not only an excellent pilot, but also a true gentleman.
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: craig kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing
heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=99T QUIT AND IM
STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY RE
PLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER
. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her
to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel
the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bi
ll Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing,
the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and both
engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The deli
very truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when he
hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced manif
old pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the en
d of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF PO
RTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE
IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD COINC
IDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERIENCE
D HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COW
L FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DI
DN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a
good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it tur
ned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: scott
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvil
le News Stor...
From: MidSouthSailingH(at)aol.com
Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
Subject: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonville Ne
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Yes you should have been there!! At the flyin I took three quart jars and
filled one with 100LL, another with Jet A and the last one 1/2 of each.
Ii was always told that if you mixed fuel grades, the dye would disappear
. NOT SO!!!!! Had you come to the flyin you would have seen that is is
nearly impossible to tell the difference between the 1/2 jet and all 100
LL. Very sobering!
We should have been at the fly-in
-----Original Message-----
From: cybersuperstore <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 10, 2010 10:09 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
We should have been at the fly-in. But, I guess we are keeping the home fi
res burning while the others are holding the Group's flag high in Hillsbor
o.
I wrote about this a while ago, but I had my 500's tanks filled with Jet
fuel when I wasn't looking. I had to rush into town in a smaller city bec
ause I was already latish, and it was taken care of by the FBO. What I did
n't know (and it wouldn't have changed the outcome either) was that turbin
e Commanders were flying in and out of this airport at night doing freight
runs. So, the linesman did what he was used to and filled her up with avt
ur. I don't know how the nozzles business worked for the poor guy, but whe
n I got back and was handed the bill for the fuel, it was about 100 bucks
less than I expected. If I had been a greedy guy, I might have taken off
thinking I got a bargain, but I complained. That's when they checked the
receipt and verified that the amount was correct and that's what avtur co
sts.
So, the FBO drained the contaminated fuel, filled the tanks with avgas, le
t it sit for a weekend, drained it again and filled it one more time with
fresh gas. Then he took samples of the fuel and sent them to the oil comp
any for verification that the fuel is clean. It took more than a week befo
re I got back to my Charlie and took her home. The FBO picked up the tab
and paid for my commercial flight tickets to boot. All I had to pay was
for the difference between avtur and avgas.
The local DCA (the equivalent of the FAA in South Africa back then) sent
me a letter of reprimand because I didn't supervise my refueling operatio
n personally.
I firmly believe that I would have crashed on that short runway when the
engines would have quit as I hung a couple of hundred feet above the neig
hborhood.
It pays not to be greedy.
Nico
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing
heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=99T QUIT AND IM
STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY RE
PLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER
. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her
to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel
the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bi
ll Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing,
the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and both
engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The deli
very truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when he
hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced manif
old pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the en
d of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF PO
RTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE
IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD COINC
IDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERIENCE
D HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COW
L FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DI
DN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a
good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it tur
ned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvil
le News Stor...
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Date: September 9, 2010 3:51:31 PM EDT
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Hillsboro TCFG Fly-In |
My dad and I had a great time at the fly-in this year! I want to thank Aero
Air for hosting us, Matt Isley and Geoffrey Pence for their participation
and support, and especially Sue and Jimbob for the incredible job they did
to pull this all together and make it an enjoyable and memorable event.
We're looking forward to next year!
Thanks again to everyone,
Stan
N681SP
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| Subject: | Fwd: Update from The Clean 100 Octane Coalition |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: The Clean 100 Octane Coalition <avgas100now(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2010 1:33 pm
Subject: Update from The Clean 100 Octane Coalition
Sunday, September 12, 2010
Dear Aero Commander 680E Owner,
The Clean 100 Octane Coalition has much activity and some progress to repo
rt since Air Venture. Here is a quick bullet summary, details of which ca
n be seen at www.100octaneformyplane.com.
=C2=B7 Air Venture:
o The campaign to gain agreement for the STC fuel discovery and qual
ification process {AC20-24B} appeared successful with high level FAA offic
ials agreeing that this process is worthy of pursuit. {Although, see belo
w.}
o In particular, meetings were held with FAA authorities and other
influential persons {thanks to Jon Sisk, Curt Sanford, Bob Thomason and
John Millner} in which Coalition concerns and points of view were discuss
ed, understood and well received. Additionally, folks turned up in large
numbers at the FAA Administrator=99s session wearing the =9CG
reen Button=9D which identified wearers as supporters of the STC pro
cess for qualifying fuels. Several hundred of these buttons were distribu
ted throughout the grounds during Air Venture.
o AvWeb published a barrage of very useful articles during the event
, including a podcast interview of Jon Sisk, speaking on behalf of The Cle
an 100 Octane Coalition.
o 200 additional pilots signed up as supporters of the Clean 100 Oct
ane Coalition mission, with over 700 =9CBlue Buttons=9D being
distributed.
o Able assistance with all of this was provided by Trey Hughes of MA
PA, Jim Cavanaugh of Piper Magazine, Tom Turner of ABS, Larry Gaines and
Elliott Schiffman of Bonanzas to Oshkosh, Glenn Mores of COG, and Dave Pi
ehler of the Mooney Caravan.
=C2=B7 EPA Comment Campaign:
o EPA extended the comment period for EPA=99s Advanced Notice
of Proposed Rulemaking regarding lead in avgas. With letter templates
generously provided by the Aerostar Owners Association, the Clean 100 Oct
ane Coalition invited individuals and type club members to send their comm
ents. The Clean 100 website experienced over 850 downloads of the offered
templates.
o Based upon comments from type club representatives, and emails rec
eived at the Clean 100 email addresses, there appear to have been roughly
100 individual letters sent. So far EPA has tallied 450+ letters from al
l sources and the counting continues.
o Below is a list of the type clubs which issued letters on behalf
of their membership:
=C2=A7 The Aerostar Owners Association
=C2=A7 The Alaska Air Carriers Association
=C2=A7 The American Bonanza Society
=C2=A7 The Malibu/Mirage Owners and Pilots Association
=C2=A7 The Twin Cessna Flyer
=C2=A7 The Commander Owners Group
o Thanks to all of you who took the time to participate.
=C2=B7 The level of awareness of the avgas issue has risen dramatic
ally over the past several months, partly due to Clean 100 activities, but
primarily due to the prominent and widespread coverage provided by the av
iation press {eg., AvWeb}, AOPA and the type organizations.
=C2=B7 Website Reorganization =93 The Clean 100 Octane Coalit
ion website has undergone a facelift to reflect the large volume of materi
al that=99s been released over the past couple of months. We now ha
ve the following new pages:
o Aviation Press =93 blogs, articles, videocasts and podcasts
o Alphabets =93 FAA, AOPA and EAA releases, and more from othe
r organizations whenever we find it
o The Type Clubs =93 each type club member has a subheading;
not all have yet submitted material
o Candidate Solutions =93 a page dedicated to the potential so
lutions; so far this only includes Swift and GAMI =93 we know more
{like Petersen} are out there..
o Clean 100 Reports =93 stuff that the Coalition has been up
to.
A potential problem =93 the progress we thought had been made at Air
Venture, gaining agreement to promote innovation through use of the STC
process, may have been a mirage. There are renewed rumblings of FAA relu
ctance to proceed with the STC process. And, of course, to this date, no
STC has been awarded to any candidate fuels developer though applications
have been made.
Finally, we are just beginning another letter writing campaign, this time
to legislators. Our letter will briefly explain the avgas issue and enco
urage support for the FAA reauthorization bill that includes the annual $2
Mm funding requested for the replacement fuel search and certification.
We might be bold enough to include a pitch explaining the need for an FAA
-led process of discovery innovation =93 i.e., the STC process. We
=99ll see about that one. A template will be provided on the websit
e, and a separate email inviting participation will be sent. Be looking
for it in the next several weeks..
Thanks for your concern about this issue, and your willingness to support
these efforts.
Continuing to tilt at that windmill,
Lee Buechler/Clean 100 Octane Coalition
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| Subject: | Re: Hillsboro TCFG Fly-In |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Thank You Stan. We had a wonderul time too and always enjoy seeing you an
d your Dad. Your airplane is looking as beautiful as ever.
~Jim & Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:55 am
Subject: Commander-List: Hillsboro TCFG Fly-In
My dad and I had a great time at the fly-in this year! I want to thank Aer
o Air for hosting us, Matt Isley and Geoffrey Pence for their participatio
n and support, and especially Sue and Jimbob for the incredible job they
did to pull this all together and make it an enjoyable and memorable even
t. We=99re looking forward to next year!
Thanks again to everyone,
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: Hillsboro TCFG Fly-In |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
I will post at some point a selection of the 100s of pictures I took.
Meanwhile, I will extend you attention and will post a link to my steps becoming
a Commander driver; I have shared my adventure learning to fly with several
of you during the Fly-In so I'll share it with you all.
Jim & Sue, really what a GRAND time, it's a pleasure to see you both and to be
submerged in Commander land for four days, thanks also to the rest of the attendees
Bob & Sandy I'm putting these especially for you and adding a comment from
none but Martha Lunken! (she knows very well another Commander driver by the
way: Catherine Chagnot).
The Ozies as usual are a great gang and enjoyed shaping up our future Commander
drivers too, Russell, Richard, Graham what a blast! Barry thanks for sharing
your stories, always learning something, just like Morris who never stops impressing
me on his knowledge of the plane inside and out. Stan, I hope I get to
be as smiley and up spirited as your Dad, best regards to both. It was also an
honor to share our Commander enthusiasm with Matt Isley (Twin Commander LLC prez)
and if they consider and remember a bit more piston Commanders it's because
JimBob has done his part sharing the importance of keeping these birds flying.
Thanks to you all and see you next year! Enjoy :)
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/14AugSelect10?feat=directlink
Begin forwarded message:
From: martha lunken
Date: September 10, 2010 5:48:13 PM GMT-04:00
Cc: , 'Andre Abreu' , 'Peter Bichier' , 'Joe Deaton' , 'Richard Martin'
Subject: RE: Ratings
...and they both did magnificent jobs. I was pleased to be asked to give
the rides...but really think it was because I weight 100 lbs. and the
temperature was slightly under 100 degrees.
Martha
-----Original Message-----
From: William J. David [mailto:wjdavid582(at)embarqmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:26 AM
Cc: taildragger@go-concepts.com; Andre Abreu; Peter Bichier; Marth Lunken
Lunken; Joe Deaton; Richard Martin
Subject: Ratings
To Whom it may concern,
On the morning of August 14, at Red Stewart Airport in Waynesville, Ohio,
Andre Abreu and Peter Bichier of the Toledo Buzzards Light Sport Aircraft
Club (TBLSACI) successfully completed their check rides for a Sport Pilot
Certificate in a Pietenpol Aircamper N6186L. The evaluations were given by
Martha Lunken and TBLSACI is based out of Toledo Executive Airport, TDZ,
formerly Toledo Metcalf. After a little investigation we believe that they
are the first persons to do so in a Pietenpol and are laying claim to this
feat at this time. Anyone disputing this should contact me with evidence
that shows otherwise. Other points of interest on these two guys are that
they have never touched a starter button, they hand prop. They have never
flown anything with a nose wheel, and they don't even know how to spell GPS
let alone use one. Peter is an Ornithologist and researcher, and Andy Is a
mechanical engineer for the automobile industry.
William J. David
President TBLSACI
20526 Caris Road
Bowling Green, Ohio 43402
419-494-5843
wjdavid582(at)embarqmail.com
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312703#312703
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts&feature=player_embedded>
&feature=player_embedded
Nico
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: 'nico.nicsysco.com'
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts&feature=player_embedded
Nico
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
I sure agree with that. I got the willies just watching.
Jim
N444BD
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts&feature=player_embedded>
&feature=player_embedded
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| Subject: | Re: You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
Egad!!! I have trouble with my 12 ft. extension ladder... I nearly
tossed it on that one... My heart is still in my mouth!
I went up in the 101 and my wife made me go to the outside observation
area... Same kind of panic... I'll fly circles around it and over it
ALL DAY! but NOT this!
Victor :P
From: Tom Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: 'nico.nicsysco.com'
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts&feature=player_embedded
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| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Folks,
A big thankyou to Jim & Sue for organising and presenting another great Flyin (the
tenth...hard to believe where time has flown)! Congratulations to Jim and
Sue on recieving their achievement awards!!
It was fabulous to catch up with Commander folks and talk Commanders for days on
end.
Thankyou to Matt Isley for finding the time to come and visit with the TCFG and
talk-up the future of the TCAC...thanks Matt!
It is very clear that Commanders will continue to recieve strong support well into
the future, and it is exciting to be part of the journey.
Please find time in 2011 to participate in the Flyin (whatever form it takes) and
thus help ensure the future of this great network of Commander folk.
Cheers and regards
Russell
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
I went to a very small country school where we ran around and partied with
the kids two or three classes in front of and behind our class. After the
class in front of our class graduated that morning that afternoon we got
together and went romping and stomping across the country side and down the
river bottom and swimming in the lake. One of the things we did was climb up
an oil derrick. You can not imagine how much farther down it was than it was
going up.
This may be a little incoherent; I just got in from driving a little over
310 miles to go to the grave side service of one of our teachers
Jim Addington
N444BD
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor C.
Rupert
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Egad!!! I have trouble with my 12 ft. extension ladder... I nearly tossed
it on that one... My heart is still in my mouth!
I went up in the 101 and my wife made me go to the outside observation
area... Same kind of panic... I'll fly circles around it and over it ALL
DAY! but NOT this!
Victor :P
From: Tom <mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dae7DdfJ1ts&feature=player_embedded>
&feature=player_embedded
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| From: | "dongirod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
Jim;
As a teenager they were building a high voltage line through our farm.
A friend and I got the bright idea to climb one of the steel towers
before they put the lines on it, think it was a little less than two
hundred feet high. The other guy had on a leather jacket and took it
off at the top and threw it. It opened up and spiraled down drifting
about a quarter of a mile in the process. It was quite windy at that
height which is one reason they now want to build wind powered turbines
now in N.W. Ohio, has a constant wind of something like 15 mph. average.
But I agree, was a lot further down than up, and once was enough!
Don Girod
N2707B
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
I went to a very small country school where we ran around and partied
with the kids two or three classes in front of and behind our class.
After the class in front of our class graduated that morning that
afternoon we got together and went romping and stomping across the
country side and down the river bottom and swimming in the lake. One of
the things we did was climb up an oil derrick. You can not imagine how
much farther down it was than it was going up.
This may be a little incoherent; I just got in from driving a little
over 310 miles to go to the grave side service of one of our teachers
Jim Addington
N444BD
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Egad!!! I have trouble with my 12 ft. extension ladder... I nearly
tossed it on that one... My heart is still in my mouth!
I went up in the 101 and my wife made me go to the outside observation
area... Same kind of panic... I'll fly circles around it and over it
ALL DAY! but NOT this!
Victor :P
From: Tom Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:37 PM
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
I have to agree that once was enough. I don't know if that was where I got
my fear of heights or not but I don't have any desire to go near the edge of
any thing over 10 feet.
They are talking about putting wind generators on the oil platforms in the
gulf. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Jim
N444BD
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:54 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Jim;
As a teenager they were building a high voltage line through our farm. A
friend and I got the bright idea to climb one of the steel towers before
they put the lines on it, think it was a little less than two hundred feet
high. The other guy had on a leather jacket and took it off at the top and
threw it. It opened up and spiraled down drifting about a quarter of a mile
in the process. It was quite windy at that height which is one reason they
now want to build wind powered turbines now in N.W. Ohio, has a constant
wind of something like 15 mph. average. But I agree, was a lot further down
than up, and once was enough!
Don Girod
N2707B
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
I went to a very small country school where we ran around and partied with
the kids two or three classes in front of and behind our class. After the
class in front of our class graduated that morning that afternoon we got
together and went romping and stomping across the country side and down the
river bottom and swimming in the lake. One of the things we did was climb up
an oil derrick. You can not imagine how much farther down it was than it was
going up.
This may be a little incoherent; I just got in from driving a little over
310 miles to go to the grave side service of one of our teachers
Jim Addington
N444BD
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor C.
Rupert
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Egad!!! I have trouble with my 12 ft. extension ladder... I nearly tossed
it on that one... My heart is still in my mouth!
I went up in the 101 and my wife made me go to the outside observation
area... Same kind of panic... I'll fly circles around it and over it ALL
DAY! but NOT this!
Victor :P
From: Tom <mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | You can keep your stinking job, Dude. |
As a pilot, I'm not scared of heights. I have no problem flying in a helo
with the doors off. But I hate ladders. It was weird; after 45 seconds of
watching that guy climb, my hands started to sweat. I couldn't control it!
/J
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
I have to agree that once was enough. I don't know if that was where I got
my fear of heights or not but I don't have any desire to go near the edge of
any thing over 10 feet.
They are talking about putting wind generators on the oil platforms in the
gulf. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Jim
N444BD
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:54 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Jim;
As a teenager they were building a high voltage line through our farm. A
friend and I got the bright idea to climb one of the steel towers before
they put the lines on it, think it was a little less than two hundred feet
high. The other guy had on a leather jacket and took it off at the top and
threw it. It opened up and spiraled down drifting about a quarter of a mile
in the process. It was quite windy at that height which is one reason they
now want to build wind powered turbines now in N.W. Ohio, has a constant
wind of something like 15 mph. average. But I agree, was a lot further down
than up, and once was enough!
Don Girod
N2707B
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
I went to a very small country school where we ran around and partied with
the kids two or three classes in front of and behind our class. After the
class in front of our class graduated that morning that afternoon we got
together and went romping and stomping across the country side and down the
river bottom and swimming in the lake. One of the things we did was climb up
an oil derrick. You can not imagine how much farther down it was than it was
going up.
This may be a little incoherent; I just got in from driving a little over
310 miles to go to the grave side service of one of our teachers
Jim Addington
N444BD
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor C.
Rupert
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Egad!!! I have trouble with my 12 ft. extension ladder... I nearly tossed
it on that one... My heart is still in my mouth!
I went up in the 101 and my wife made me go to the outside observation
area... Same kind of panic... I'll fly circles around it and over it ALL
DAY! but NOT this!
Victor :P
From: Tom <mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Then I am weird too!! jb
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From: John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:20 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
As a pilot, I=99m not scared of heights. I have no problem flying in
a helo with the doors off. But I hate ladders. It was weird; after 45 sec
onds of watching that guy climb, my hands started to sweat. I couldn
=99t control it!
/J
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st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
I have to agree that once was enough. I don=99t know if that was whe
re I got my fear of heights or not but I don=99t have any desire to
go near the edge of any thing over 10 feet.
They are talking about putting wind generators on the oil platforms in the
gulf. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Jim
N444BD
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st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of dongirod
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:54 PM
Subject: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Jim;
As a teenager they were building a high voltage line through our farm. A
friend and I got the bright idea to climb one of the steel towers before
they put the lines on it, think it was a little less than two hundred fee
t high. The other guy had on a leather jacket and took it off at the top
and threw it. It opened up and spiraled down drifting about a quarter of
a mile in the process. It was quite windy at that height which is one re
ason they now want to build wind powered turbines now in N.W. Ohio, has a
constant wind of something like 15 mph. average. But I agree, was a lot
further down than up, and once was enough!
Don Girod
N2707B
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
I went to a very small country school where we ran around and partied with
the kids two or three classes in front of and behind our class. After the
class in front of our class graduated that morning that afternoon we got
together and went romping and stomping across the country side and down
the river bottom and swimming in the lake. One of the things we did was
climb up an oil derrick. You can not imagine how much farther down it was
than it was going up.
This may be a little incoherent; I just got in from driving a little over
310 miles to go to the grave side service of one of our teachers
Jim Addington
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Victor C. Rupert
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
Egad!!! I have trouble with my 12 ft. extension ladder... I nearly tosse
d it on that one... My heart is still in my mouth!
I went up in the 101 and my wife made me go to the outside observation are
a... Same kind of panic... I'll fly circles around it and over it ALL DA
Y! but NOT this!
Victor :P
From: Tom Fisher
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: You can keep your stinking job, Dude.
No thank you, I'd rather fly a helicopter with no doors.
Tom (formally 680FLP).
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a 500 commander went down in the Dominican republic on 9/24/2010. the
news story is on google at dominican republic news. no fatalities. b
ased in miami, flying from puerto rico to dominican republic crashed sho
rt of field. allan hoffman
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Thank you Russell for making the effort to attend!!!
And thanks to all for the special awards you presented us on our 10 year
anniversary. We are humbled and honored!! What a wonderful group of peo
ple the TCFG are!!!!
~Jim & Sue
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Sent: Mon, Sep 20, 2010 10:36 pm
Subject: Commander-List: 2010 Flyin
Hi Folks,
A big thankyou to Jim & Sue for organising and presenting another great Fl
yin
the tenth...hard to believe where time has flown)! Congratulations to Jim
and
ue on recieving their achievement awards!!
It was fabulous to catch up with Commander folks and talk Commanders for
days on
nd.
Thankyou to Matt Isley for finding the time to come and visit with the TCF
G and
alk-up the future of the TCAC...thanks Matt!
It is very clear that Commanders will continue to recieve strong support
well
nto the future, and it is exciting to be part of the journey.
Please find time in 2011 to participate in the Flyin (whatever form it tak
es)
nd thus help ensure the future of this great network of Commander folk.
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| From: | "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com> |
sorry about the wrong n number. the correct number according to the new
spaper article is N100PV.
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| From: | Zac Armstrong <transam403(at)hotmail.com> |
We had actually looked at purchasing that aircraft last year=2C but due to
disuse=2C being parked outside=2C and in questionable condition=2C we passe
d on it. I wonder what the specifics were behind the crash. Good to know
that no one was killed.
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bonda
ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to
liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f
rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy
to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc
eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r
emember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa
ntayana.
From: alh1(at)juno.com
Date: Fri=2C 24 Sep 2010 22:02:34 +0000
Subject: Commander-List: n100pv
sorry about the wrong n number. the correct number according to the newspa
per article is N100PV.
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http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/9/23/37072/Twin-engine-plane-cra
sh-near-Las-Americas-Airport-injures-4
in foreign English.
As if I am one to judge.
Good news nobody was killed.
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
alh1(at)juno.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: Commander-List: n1007pv
a 500 commander went down in the Dominican republic on 9/24/2010. the news
story is on google at dominican republic news. no fatalities. based in
miami, flying from puerto rico to dominican republic crashed short of field.
allan hoffman
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Folks,
Sound suspiciously like a lack of motion lotion.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2010 12:12
Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/9/23/37072/Twin-engine-plane-cra
sh-near-Las-Americas-Airport-injures-4
in foreign English.
As if I am one to judge.
Good news nobody was killed.
_____
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alh1(at)juno.com
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: Commander-List: n1007pv
a 500 commander went down in the Dominican republic on 9/24/2010. the news
story is on google at dominican republic news. no fatalities. based in
miami, flying from puerto rico to dominican republic crashed short of field.
allan hoffman
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My thoughts exactly
Patrick
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Hamilton
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv
Folks,
Sound suspiciously like a lack of motion lotion.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/9/23/37072/Twin-engine-plane-cra
sh-near-Las-Americas-Airport-injures-4
in foreign English.
As if I am one to judge.
Good news nobody was killed.
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Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:55 PM
Subject: Commander-List: n1007pv
a 500 commander went down in the Dominican republic on 9/24/2010. the news
story is on google at dominican republic news. no fatalities. based in
miami, flying from puerto rico to dominican republic crashed short of field.
allan hoffman
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | anatomy of stupidity |
Running out of fuel is seldom an accident. This reconstruction gives a rare
insight into the bizarre things that some pilots do. One cannot over
emphasize the importance of a humility check before takeoff.
http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot
<http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot&WT.mc_sec
t=tts> &WT.mc_sect=tts
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| From: | William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: anatomy of stupidity |
Folks,
We have some interesting exprience with fule exhaustion accidents in Australia.
Traditionally, Australia is the greatest creator of "rules" for aviation safety,
whether by weight, volume or word count, we lead the world.
Unfortunately, that has not resulted in the world's best air safety outcomes, despite
nationalistic claims to the contrary.
In abou 1996, the very prescriptive rules for fuel reserves were repealed and
CAAP ( AC) was published outlining all the things to take into consideration in
fuel flight planning.
However, the totally prescriptive rules were maintained for "commercial" operations,
via Operations Manual/ Ops. Spec requirements, so the change really only
effected private flights.
The results ( and the value of prescriptive rules versus outcome based rules) were
instructive.
Over the sunsequent 5 years, as a result of a post implimentation review of the
regulations;
(1 ) Private flight fuel exhaustion accidents dropped by about 60%.
(2) Commercial fuel exhaustion accidents showed no change, and have slightly increased
in more recent years.
Ergo, thinking pilots are safer pilots than those who blindly "comply" with prescriptive
regulations.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
> cybersuperstore wrote:
>
> Running out of fuel is seldom an accident. This reconstruction gives a
> rare
> insight into the bizarre things that some pilots do. One cannot over
> emphasize the importance of a humility check before takeoff.
>
>
>
> http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot
> <http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot&WT.mc_
> sec
> t=tts> &WT.mc_sect=tts
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Airborne A/C repair |
Airborne A/C repair
anyone afraid of heights ? NO parachute just a wheel and some time on her
hands.
_____
A little bit before "our time" but you've got to admire
"barnstorming aviation stunts."
( Please notice: No safety wire or harness..! )
In case any mechs out there want to complain about hangar working
conditions...note the tail skid ect. ect..
Airborne A/C repair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAzdbd0J2A
So many FAA violations ....... no seat belts, no parachute, and I bet she
doesn't have an A&P license
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Airborne A/C repair |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
So many FAA violations ......
Right. I did not see a yellow tag on the wheel. No traceability on the
nut installed to hold the wheel in place. No log book entry. Terrifyin
g, isn't it?
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 7:24 pm
Subject: Commander-List: FW: Airborne A/C repair
Airborne A/C repair
In case any mechs out there want to complain about hangar working con
ditions...note the tail skid ect. ect..
Airborne A/C repair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAzdbd0J2A
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| From: | Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Airborne A/C repair |
Please, please, please somebody splice a section into that film where
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: FAA Requirement to Re-register Aircraft |
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From: Sumner, Andrea E. [mailto:Andrea.Sumner(at)cityofdenton.com]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:47 PM
Cc: Hix, Quentin D; Mullins, Julie A.
Subject: FAA Requirement to Re-register Aircraft
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_reg
istry/reregistration/
Andrea Sumner
Operations Coordinator
Denton Airport
(940) 349-7738
(940) 349-7289 fax
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| From: | Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: FAA Requirement to Re-register Aircraft |
Folks, this is very, VERY important to our survival as a nation and the
future of our children.
Every time you move without updating your aircraft registration, the
terrorists win. Without the proper database, there is no way to know
which aircraft on the ramp are based, and which are terrorist. This
registration renewal will allow the line boys to deviate their
meticulous attention to detail without compromising national security.
Additionally, it is a well-known fact that an aircraft cannot fly
without proper registration with the FAA. A quick glance at the FARs
will prove this as scientific fact. A registration that does not
correctly capture all current details of the owner may (and frequently
has) resulted in loss of lift, usually over a school.
Speaking of kids, scientific studies have documented the lowering of
academic achievement attributed directly to the out-of-date FAA
registry. So, you see, this is really for the children.
Now, there may be some nay-sayers out there who might notice that data
aggregation is a complex, expensive endeavor that, nevertheless, funds
itself if the data is worth collecting. To those Cassandras I say, this
is in no way, shape, or form related to property tax rolls and any
insinuation otherwise is off-base.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
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| From: | "Patrick Harris" <pfh(at)aeromation.com> |
| Subject: | FW: FAA Requirement to Re-register Aircraft |
You are so right, at first I thought this was a bureaucracy building revenue
grab without fully understanding the wider safety and security issues you so
wisely identified.
After some thought it seems the economic benefit may have been overlooked.
I suggest that the economic benefit is substantial. Persistently high
unemployment can be eliminated bit by bit through the use of thoughtful
government programs such as this. I predict that 100 or more skilled
information worker positions will be created, some at the FAA + homeland
security and within each state as well. This will help create private sector
positions, as the program can be contracted out to Lockheed Martin or IBM at
a significant cost savings to the government.
Note that this is certainly an interim solution at best. Putting a chip in
your pilot certificate and connecting it to a mode S transponders will go a
long way to towards ensuring the level data aggregation necessary for an
acceptable level public safety. It seems the technology was not available in
time for previously proposes implementation date of 1984.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: FAA Requirement to Re-register Aircraft
Folks, this is very, VERY important to our survival as a nation and the
future of our children.
Every time you move without updating your aircraft registration, the
terrorists win. Without the proper database, there is no way to know
which aircraft on the ramp are based, and which are terrorist. This
registration renewal will allow the line boys to deviate their
meticulous attention to detail without compromising national security.
Additionally, it is a well-known fact that an aircraft cannot fly
without proper registration with the FAA. A quick glance at the FARs
will prove this as scientific fact. A registration that does not
correctly capture all current details of the owner may (and frequently
has) resulted in loss of lift, usually over a school.
Speaking of kids, scientific studies have documented the lowering of
academic achievement attributed directly to the out-of-date FAA
registry. So, you see, this is really for the children.
Now, there may be some nay-sayers out there who might notice that data
aggregation is a complex, expensive endeavor that, nevertheless, funds
itself if the data is worth collecting. To those Cassandras I say, this
is in no way, shape, or form related to property tax rolls and any
insinuation otherwise is off-base.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
Jim Addington wrote:
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Warning!! Really |
Subject: Warning!! Really
Beware of Haloween!!
This is real, friends. How sad - that such really smart people can use
their intelligence so destructively!! Please read and forward.
Warning: Use CAUTION
Kids are putting Drano, tin foil, and a little water in soda
bottles and capping it up - leaving it on lawns. When you go to pick up the
trash, and the bottle is shaken just a little - in about 30 seconds or less
it builds up a gas and explodes with enough force to remove some of your
extremities. The liquid that comes out is boiling hot as well.
Don't pick up any plastic bottles that may be lying in your
yards or in the gutter, etc.
Pay attention to this.
No fingers left and other serious effects to your face, eyes,
etc.
People are finding these "bombs" in mailboxes and in their
yards, just waiting for you to pick it up intending to put it in the trash.
But, you'll never make it!!! It takes about 30 seconds to blow after you
move the thing.
See "SNOPES" below...it's true.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/bottlebomb.asp
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Fwd: Last Flight! ! ! |
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Last Flight! ! !
Read this to the end, and you won't be able to speak normally for a few
minutes, even if you weren't an aviator. What a great story of another WWII
vet; and closer to home, a combat experienced Naval Aviator!
Semper Fi,
Mike
This is an unbelievably well written story involving a "Warbird" that I know
you will enjoy!
<http://thecommunitypaper.com/archive/2010/09_09/index.php>
http://thecommunitypaper.com/archive/2010/09_09/index.php
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| From: | "dongirod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: FW: Fwd: Last Flight! ! ! |
Thanks Jim, that was great.
I kind of felt that way when I took my favorite teacher and let him fly
my Commander, a few years ago, he had been trained to fly B-25 to knock
out Japanese gun emplacements, but fortunately it never happened. Had
not flown in 40 years but made a great landing in about an 8 or 9 knot
direct crosswind. Made all that money spent that year well worth it. He
now has Parkinson's so that was his last flight. But we still
correspond by snail mail.
God Bless, Don
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:17 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: Fwd: Last Flight! ! !
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Last Flight! ! !
Read this to the end, and you won't be able to
speak normally for a few minutes, even if you weren't an aviator. What
a great story of another WWII vet; and closer to home, a combat
experienced Naval Aviator!
Semper Fi,
Mike
This is an unbelievably well written story
involving a "Warbird" that I know you will enjoy!
http://thecommunitypaper.com/archive/2010/09_09/index.php
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| Subject: | SO OTHERS MAY LIVE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS...Sue and I just returned from a 12 day road trip from Portland Ma
ine to Portland OR!! The trip was a blast stopping at Nigeria Fall, The
Ford museum and MT Rushmore. The reason for the trip was to end the life
of an old Commander with dignity. N6000N, a 560E, has made her last flig
ht. My evolvement with her began a couple of years ago when Morris Kernic
k and I used her to venture to Galena Alaska to rescue a 680 Commander for
m years of neglect and fly it to a new home at an A&P school in south AL.
Then, last year N6000N was purchased by a corp in New Jersey. It is a
bit of a sad story. The old gal had deteriorated from years of "Alaska
Maintenance" to the point of no real return. Sadly, the N.J. Corp dumped
many thousands of dollars into her in all the wrong places. In the end,
she was flown to Northeast air, a Commander service center, for an annual
inspection. During her stay she caught the eye of an FAA rep and was gro
unded (I still have the tag on the door handle). With no hope of saving
her now, the N.J. Corp (they now own a Citation) donated her to Wings of
Hope. W.O.H. placed her on ebay and the rest is history. But not to wor
ry!! While as an airplane she had no value, as parts she will live on!!!
Her propellers, spinners and many other small parts are already installe
d on a 680E, N4278S, owned by a TCFG member from Ohio. I then loaded all
the rest of the "Good Stuff" into the rented truck, and Sue and I brought
it home where it will all eventually make its way into other Commanders.
I still have the engines, Cleveland brakes, all control surfaces, landin
g gear and many other bits available. She will see that many other Comman
ders live on!! jb
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| Subject: | SO OTHERS MAY LIVE |
Hi JimBob,
Sad to see another Commander 'bite the dust', but good to know that parts
from s/n 531 will keep others flying.
Any chance you rescued the s/n plate for me?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 25 October 2010 03:58
Subject: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
HI KIDS...Sue and I just returned from a 12 day road trip from Portland
Maine to Portland OR!! The trip was a blast stopping at Nigeria Fall, The
Ford museum and MT Rushmore. The reason for the trip was to end the life of
an old Commander with dignity. N6000N, a 560E, has made her last flight.
My evolvement with her began a couple of years ago when Morris Kernick and I
used her to venture to Galena Alaska to rescue a 680 Commander form years of
neglect and fly it to a new home at an A&P school in south AL. Then, last
year N6000N was purchased by a corp in New Jersey. It is a bit of a sad
story. The old gal had deteriorated from years of "Alaska Maintenance" to
the point of no real return. Sadly, the N.J. Corp dumped many thousands of
dollars into her in all the wrong places. In the end, she was flown to
Northeast air, a Commander service center, for an annual inspection. During
her stay she caught the eye of an FAA rep and was grounded (I still have the
tag on the door handle). With no hope of saving her now, the N.J. Corp
(they now own a Citation) donated her to Wings of Hope. W.O.H. placed her
on ebay and the rest is history. But not to worry!! While as an airplane
she had no value, as parts she will live on!!! Her propellers, spinners and
many other small parts are already installed on a 680E, N4278S, owned by a
TCFG member from Ohio. I then loaded all the rest of the "Good Stuff" into
the rented truck, and Sue and I brought it home where it will all eventually
make its way into other Commanders. I still have the engines, Cleveland
brakes, all control surfaces, landing gear and many other bits available.
She will see that many other Commanders live on!! jb
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| Subject: | Commander 520, N4175B |
Hello All,
Commander 520, s/n 81, N4175B was repossessed by the Coast National Bank, of
San Luis Obispo, California in April 2009 from an owner in Bradley,
California.
Registration was cancelled by the FAA last week so presumably it is in the
process of being scrapped.
If anybody banks with them, please close your account immediately, in
protest.
But, does anybody know this Commander and can verify its current whereabouts
and status?
Best Regards,
Barry
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| From: | "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 520, N4175B |
You would probably get more mileage if you file a complaint against that ba
nk =0Awith the comptroller of the currency, or the FDIC.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0AFrom: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-brita
in.co.uk>=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, October 25, 2010
10:33:00 AM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B=0A=0A=0AHello
All,=0A-=0ACommander 520, s/n 81, N4175B was repossessed by the Coast Nat
ional Bank, of San =0ALuis Obispo, California in April 2009 from an owner i
n Bradley, California.=0ARegistration was cancelled by the FAA last week so
presumably it is in the =0Aprocess of being scrapped.=0AIf anybody banks w
ith them, please close your account immediately, in protest.=0A-=0ABut, d
oes anybody know this Commander and can verify its current whereabouts and
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| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 520, N4175B |
Based on previous experience (non aircraft) the comptroller of the
currency is deaf, blind and doesn't give a damn.
Moe Mills
N680RR
From: sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B
You would probably get more mileage if you file a complaint against that
bank with the comptroller of the currency, or the FDIC.
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From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 10:33:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B
Hello All,
Commander 520, s/n 81, N4175B was repossessed by the Coast National
Bank, of San Luis Obispo, California in April 2009 from an owner in
Bradley, California.
Registration was cancelled by the FAA last week so presumably it is in
the process of being scrapped.
If anybody banks with them, please close your account immediately, in
protest.
But, does anybody know this Commander and can verify its current
whereabouts and status?
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 520, N4175B |
I agree, but a complaint starts the wheels turning, lawyers get involved, a
nd if =0Athe bank.....that did the dirty deed, has any dirt under its finge
rnails, its =0Aone more complaint they have to deal with.- If I knew all
the particulars, I =0Acould draft one and once polished up, we can all mail
one in?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack B. Mil
ls =0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent:
Mon, October 25, 2010 2:25:52 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander
520, N4175B=0A=0A=0ABased-on previous experience (non aircraft) the compt
roller of the currency is =0Adeaf, blind and doesn't give a damn.=0A-=0A
-=0AMoe Mills=0AN680RR=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: sr14572(at)yahoo.com =0ASent: Monday
, October 25, 2010 8:14 AM=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com =0ASubject: R
e: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B=0A=0AYou would probably get more m
ileage if you file a complaint against that bank =0Awith the comptroller of
the currency, or the FDIC.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>=0ATo: commander-li
st(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, October 25, 2010 10:33:00 AM=0ASubject: Comma
nder-List: Commander 520, N4175B=0A=0A=0AHello All,=0A-=0ACommander 520,
s/n 81, N4175B was repossessed by the Coast National Bank, of San =0ALuis O
bispo, California in April 2009 from an owner in Bradley, California.=0AReg
istration was cancelled by the FAA last week so presumably it is in the =0A
process of being scrapped.=0AIf anybody banks with them, please close your
account immediately, in protest.=0A-=0ABut, does anybody know this Comman
der and can verify its current whereabouts and =0Astatus?=0A-=0ABest Rega
rds,=0ABarry=0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Li
st">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.
matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A href="http://www.matronics.
======= =0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Commander 520, N4175B |
Hey Guys,
My comments were made very much with tongue in cheek :-)
No need to actually take any action!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Sent: 25 October 2010 19:41
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B
I agree, but a complaint starts the wheels turning, lawyers get involved,
and if the bank.....that did the dirty deed, has any dirt under its
fingernails, its one more complaint they have to deal with. If I knew all
the particulars, I could draft one and once polished up, we can all mail one
in?
_____
From: Jack B. Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 2:25:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B
Based on previous experience (non aircraft) the comptroller of the currency
is deaf, blind and doesn't give a damn.
Moe Mills
N680RR
From: sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B
You would probably get more mileage if you file a complaint against that
bank with the comptroller of the currency, or the FDIC.
_____
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, October 25, 2010 10:33:00 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 520, N4175B
Hello All,
Commander 520, s/n 81, N4175B was repossessed by the Coast National Bank, of
San Luis Obispo, California in April 2009 from an owner in Bradley,
California.
Registration was cancelled by the FAA last week so presumably it is in the
process of being scrapped.
If anybody banks with them, please close your account immediately, in
protest.
But, does anybody know this Commander and can verify its current whereabouts
and status?
Best Regards,
Barry
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE |
JB, I OWN A 500B (N6290X) THAT LACKS TWO THINGS; A NEW PANEL & OF COURSE
CLEVELAND BRAKES. I BELIEVE THE 560 & 500B brakes are identical. if so
how much will it take to pry them loose . by the way I flew to Portland
& parked at northeast Air this august for 5 days. we saw N6000N rotting
on the pavement. I'M BASED AT ORANGE COUNTY AIRPORT 60 MILES NORTH OF
N.Y.C. THANKS,LLOYD SILVERMAN
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com<mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
HI KIDS...Sue and I just returned from a 12 day road trip from
Portland Maine to Portland OR!! The trip was a blast stopping at
Nigeria Fall, The Ford museum and MT Rushmore. The reason for the trip
was to end the life of an old Commander with dignity. N6000N, a 560E,
has made her last flight. My evolvement with her began a couple of
years ago when Morris Kernick and I used her to venture to Galena Alaska
to rescue a 680 Commander form years of neglect and fly it to a new home
at an A&P school in south AL. Then, last year N6000N was purchased by a
corp in New Jersey. It is a bit of a sad story. The old gal had
deteriorated from years of "Alaska Maintenance" to the point of no real
return. Sadly, the N.J. Corp dumped many thousands of dollars into her
in all the wrong places. In the end, she was flown to Northeast air, a
Commander service center, for an annual inspection. During her stay she
caught the eye of an FAA rep and was grounded (I still have the tag on
the door handle). With no hope of saving her now, the N.J. Corp (they
now own a Citation) donated her to Wings of Hope. W.O.H. placed her on
ebay and the rest is history. But not to worry!! While as an airplane
she had no value, as parts she will live on!!! Her propellers, spinners
and many other small parts are already installed on a 680E, N4278S,
owned by a TCFG member from Ohio. I then loaded all the rest of the
"Good Stuff" into the rented truck, and Sue and I brought it home where
it will all eventually make its way into other Commanders. I still have
the engines, Cleveland brakes, all control surfaces, landing gear and
many other bits available. She will see that many other Commanders live
on!! jb
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
m/Navigator?Commander-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | ANOTHER ONE LIVES |
Hi Folks,
Some great news from downunder in relation to RP-C621 500U s/n 1706-24.
This airframe has languished in Manilla for the past few years, after spending
almost its entire life in the Phillipines (ex factory in 1967).
As we speak a small team from Oz [including Graeme Thom (TCFG Member)] is replacing
hoses, doing engine runs and generally bringing it back to life.
All being well the aircraft will be ferried back to Australia (via Darwin) in early
November where it is likely to be used on fire-spotting activities.
This is great news and ensures the ongoing 'well-being' of another Twin Commander
downunder!
Cheers
Russell
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| Subject: | Re: ANOTHER ONE LIVES |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
GREAT NEWS!!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2010 11:30 pm
Subject: Commander-List: ANOTHER ONE LIVES
Hi Folks,
Some great news from downunder in relation to RP-C621 500U s/n 1706-24.
his airframe has languished in Manilla for the past few years, after spend
ing
lmost its entire life in the Phillipines (ex factory in 1967).
As we speak a small team from Oz [including Graeme Thom (TCFG Member)] is
eplacing hoses, doing engine runs and generally bringing it back to life.
All being well the aircraft will be ferried back to Australia (via Darwin)
in
arly November where it is likely to be used on fire-spotting activities.
This is great news and ensures the ongoing 'well-being' of another Twin
ommander downunder!
Cheers
Russell
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| Subject: | Re: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI LLOYD.
Yes, they are the same. These brakes are in great condition with fewer th
an 200 hours since new. They will include EVERYTHING to install them incl
uding the STC and installation instructions. I am asking $3000.00, includ
ing shipping (about 1/2 of new price). You will love them!! Give e a cal
l at 360-903-6901. Thanks!!!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
JB, I OWN A 500B (N6290X) THAT LACKS TWO THINGS; A NEW PANEL & OF COURSE
CLEVELAND BRAKES. I BELIEVE THE 560 & 500B brakes are identical. if so ho
w much will it take to pry them loose . by the way I flew to Portland &
parked at northeast Air this august for 5 days. we saw N6000N rotting on
the pavement. I'M BASED AT ORANGE COUNTY AIRPORT 60 MILES NORTH OF N.Y.C.
THANKS,LLOYD SILVERMAN
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:58 PM
Subject: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
HI KIDS...Sue and I just returned from a 12 day road trip from Portland Ma
ine to Portland OR!! The trip was a blast stopping at Nigeria Fall, The
Ford museum and MT Rushmore. The reason for the trip was to end the life
of an old Commander with dignity. N6000N, a 560E, has made her last flig
ht. My evolvement with her began a couple of years ago when Morris Kernic
k and I used her to venture to Galena Alaska to rescue a 680 Commander for
m years of neglect and fly it to a new home at an A&P school in south AL.
Then, last year N6000N was purchased by a corp in New Jersey. It is a
bit of a sad story. The old gal had deteriorated from years of "Alaska
Maintenance" to the point of no real return. Sadly, the N.J. Corp dumped
many thousands of dollars into her in all the wrong places. In the end,
she was flown to Northeast air, a Commander service center, for an annual
inspection. During her stay she caught the eye of an FAA rep and was gro
unded (I still have the tag on the door handle). With no hope of saving
her now, the N.J. Corp (they now own a Citation) donated her to Wings of
Hope. W.O.H. placed her on ebay and the rest is history. But not to wor
ry!! While as an airplane she had no value, as parts she will live on!!!
Her propellers, spinners and many other small parts are already installe
d on a 680E, N4278S, owned by a TCFG member from Ohio. I then loaded all
the rest of the "Good Stuff" into the rented truck, and Sue and I brought
it home where it will all eventually make its way into other Commanders.
I still have the engines, Cleveland brakes, all control surfaces, landin
g gear and many other bits available. She will see that many other Comman
ders live on!! jb
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| Subject: | Re: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Sorry Barry, no. NE Air bought what I didn't want from me and needed the
data plate??? jb
Hi JimBob,
Sad to see another Commander =98bite the dust=99, but good to
know that parts from s/n 531 will keep others flying.
Any chance you rescued the s/n plate for me?
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
Hi JimBob,
Sad to see another Commander =98bite the dust=99, but good to
know that parts from s/n 531 will keep others flying.
Any chance you rescued the s/n plate for me?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 25 October 2010 03:58
Subject: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
HI KIDS...Sue and I just returned from a 12 day road trip from Portland Ma
ine to Portland OR!! The trip was a blast stopping at Nigeria Fall, The
Ford museum and MT Rushmore. The reason for the trip was to end the life
of an old Commander with dignity. N6000N, a 560E, has made her last flig
ht. My evolvement with her began a couple of years ago when Morris Kernic
k and I used her to venture to Galena Alaska to rescue a 680 Commander for
m years of neglect and fly it to a new home at an A&P school in south AL.
Then, last year N6000N was purchased by a corp in New Jersey. It is a
bit of a sad story. The old gal had deteriorated from years of "Alaska
Maintenance" to the point of no real return. Sadly, the N.J. Corp dumped
many thousands of dollars into her in all the wrong places. In the end,
she was flown to Northeast air, a Commander service center, for an annual
inspection. During her stay she caught the eye of an FAA rep and was gro
unded (I still have the tag on the door handle). With no hope of saving
her now, the N.J. Corp (they now own a Citation) donated her to Wings of
Hope. W.O.H. placed her on ebay and the rest is history. But not to wor
ry!! While as an airplane she had no value, as parts she will live on!!!
Her propellers, spinners and many other small parts are already installe
d on a 680E, N4278S, owned by a TCFG member from Ohio. I then loaded all
the rest of the "Good Stuff" into the rented truck, and Sue and I brought
it home where it will all eventually make its way into other Commanders.
I still have the engines, Cleveland brakes, all control surfaces, landin
g gear and many other bits available. She will see that many other Comman
ders live on!! jb
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| Subject: | SO OTHERS MAY LIVE |
Hi JimBob,
Ah! OK =93 thanks for letting me know.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 27 October 2010 15:56
Subject: Re: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
Sorry Barry, no. NE Air bought what I didn't want from me and needed
the data plate??? jb
Hi JimBob,
Sad to see another Commander =98bite the dust=99, but good
to know that parts from s/n 531 will keep others flying.
Any chance you rescued the s/n plate for me?
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:27 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
Hi JimBob,
Sad to see another Commander =98bite the dust=99, but good
to know that parts from s/n 531 will keep others flying.
Any chance you rescued the s/n plate for me?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: <mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com>
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 25 October 2010 03:58
Subject: Commander-List: SO OTHERS MAY LIVE
HI KIDS...Sue and I just returned from a 12 day road trip from Portland
Maine to Portland OR!! The trip was a blast stopping at Nigeria Fall,
The Ford museum and MT Rushmore. The reason for the trip was to end the
life of an old Commander with dignity. N6000N, a 560E, has made her
last flight. My evolvement with her began a couple of years ago when
Morris Kernick and I used her to venture to Galena Alaska to rescue a
680 Commander form years of neglect and fly it to a new home at an A&P
school in south AL. Then, last year N6000N was purchased by a corp in
New Jersey. It is a bit of a sad story. The old gal had deteriorated
from years of "Alaska Maintenance" to the point of no real return.
Sadly, the N.J. Corp dumped many thousands of dollars into her in all
the wrong places. In the end, she was flown to Northeast air, a
Commander service center, for an annual inspection. During her stay she
caught the eye of an FAA rep and was grounded (I still have the tag on
the door handle). With no hope of saving her now, the N.J. Corp (they
now own a Citation) donated her to Wings of Hope. W.O.H. placed her on
ebay and the rest is history. But not to worry!! While as an airplane
she had no value, as parts she will live on!!! Her propellers, spinners
and many other small parts are already installed on a 680E, N4278S,
owned by a TCFG member from Ohio. I then loaded all the rest of the
"Good Stuff" into the rented truck, and Sue and I brought it home where
it will all eventually make its way into other Commanders. I still have
the engines, Cleveland brakes, all control surfaces, landing gear and
many other bits available. She will see that many other Commanders live
on!! jb
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS. Some other parts are making there way to other Commanders from
N6000N. A TCFG member in San Juan PR has already installed a main gear
retract cylinder and the brackett air filters are will also fly again.
I still have a bunch of great stuff including a great set of Cleveland br
akes. Best condition I have seen. They wee manufactured in late 2005!!
I have then listed on ebay if you know anybody that needs them. Also,
I wrote an article that appeared in the current Flight Levels magazine,
from TCAC. If you are a Commander owner, you should have your copy. It
is on miss fueling. Hope all is well with all of you! jb
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
jb, Looked on ebay for the brakes but couldn't find them. You must have
them hidden, where, how are they listed. thanks, Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com<mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:28 AM
Subject: Commander-List: parts
HI KIDS. Some other parts are making there way to other Commanders
from N6000N. A TCFG member in San Juan PR has already installed a main
gear retract cylinder and the brackett air filters are will also fly
again. I still have a bunch of great stuff including a great set of
Cleveland brakes. Best condition I have seen. They wee manufactured in
late 2005!! I have then listed on ebay if you know anybody that needs
them. Also, I wrote an article that appeared in the current Flight
Levels magazine, from TCAC. If you are a Commander owner, you should
have your copy. It is on miss fueling. Hope all is well with all of
you! jb
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI LLOYD..They already sold!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2010 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: parts
jb, Looked on ebay for the brakes but couldn't find them. You must have th
em hidden, where, how are they listed. thanks, Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:28 AM
Subject: Commander-List: parts
HI KIDS. Some other parts are making there way to other Commanders from
N6000N. A TCFG member in San Juan PR has already installed a main gear
retract cylinder and the brackett air filters are will also fly again.
I still have a bunch of great stuff including a great set of Cleveland br
akes. Best condition I have seen. They wee manufactured in late 2005!!
I have then listed on ebay if you know anybody that needs them. Also,
I wrote an article that appeared in the current Flight Levels magazine,
from TCAC. If you are a Commander owner, you should have your copy. It
is on miss fueling. Hope all is well with all of you! jb
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Turbo Commander at Pennsylvania College of Technology |
In the latest issue of Avionics News (November 2010), I read an article
written by an instructor at the Pennsylvania College of Technology about
less-than-ideal avionics installations and the problems they cause. One
of the photos of an instrument panel looked very familiar, and I found
out after a bit of online research that it is a 1968 Turbo Commander
680W, N5RE, s/n 1818-32, that was donated to the school for training
purposes. Does anyone (Barry?) know the history of this plane? Does it
still have a valid airworthiness certificate?
The photo brought back fond memories of my dad=99s 680W (N680W,
s/n 1776-14) which, by the way, had much nicer avionics!
Regards,
Stan
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| Subject: | Turbo Commander at Pennsylvania College of Technology |
Hi Stan,
N5RE was bought by the Pennsylvania College of Technology, in
Williamsport, PA in June 2000.
It has been withdrawn from use and is now a maintenance training aid
airframe.
Although still listed as a current aircraft on the FAA database, it will
be interesting to see whether it will fall foul of the new FAA
registration policy and be cancelled during the next three years.
N5RE was formerly C-GKMV, N3RA, N15ES, N1NR & N5418.
As N5418, Certificated on October 17th 1968, and N1NR it was owned by
the Corporate HQ of North American Rockwell, in Pittsburgh, PA.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: 12 November 2010 01:40
Subject: Commander-List: Turbo Commander at Pennsylvania College of
Technology
In the latest issue of Avionics News (November 2010), I read an article
written by an instructor at the Pennsylvania College of Technology about
less-than-ideal avionics installations and the problems they cause. One
of the photos of an instrument panel looked very familiar, and I found
out after a bit of online research that it is a 1968 Turbo Commander
680W, N5RE, s/n 1818-32, that was donated to the school for training
purposes. Does anyone (Barry?) know the history of this plane? Does it
still have a valid airworthiness certificate?
The photo brought back fond memories of my dad=99s 680W (N680W,
s/n 1776-14) which, by the way, had much nicer avionics!
Regards,
Stan
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Turbo Commander at Pennsylvania College of Technology |
Thanks Barry!
Regards,
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 3:33 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Turbo Commander at Pennsylvania College of
Technology
Hi Stan,
N5RE was bought by the Pennsylvania College of Technology, in
Williamsport, PA in June 2000.
It has been withdrawn from use and is now a maintenance training aid
airframe.
Although still listed as a current aircraft on the FAA database, it will
be interesting to see whether it will fall foul of the new FAA
registration policy and be cancelled during the next three years.
N5RE was formerly C-GKMV, N3RA, N15ES, N1NR & N5418.
As N5418, Certificated on October 17th 1968, and N1NR it was owned by
the Corporate HQ of North American Rockwell, in Pittsburgh, PA.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: 12 November 2010 01:40
Subject: Commander-List: Turbo Commander at Pennsylvania College of
Technology
In the latest issue of Avionics News (November 2010), I read an article
written by an instructor at the Pennsylvania College of Technology about
less-than-ideal avionics installations and the problems they cause. One
of the photos of an instrument panel looked very familiar, and I found
out after a bit of online research that it is a 1968 Turbo Commander
680W, N5RE, s/n 1818-32, that was donated to the school for training
purposes. Does anyone (Barry?) know the history of this plane? Does it
still have a valid airworthiness certificate?
The photo brought back fond memories of my dad=99s 680W (N680W,
s/n 1776-14) which, by the way, had much nicer avionics!
Regards,
Stan
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WOW, great memories ! Forwarded from a friend. Long but good.
FE
=EF=BB You see them at airport terminals around the world.
They come neatly uniformed and, sleeves striped; wings over
their
left pocket.
They show up looking fresh. There's a brisk, young-old
look of
efficiency about them.
They arrive fresh from home, from hotels, carrying
suitcases,
battered briefcases, bulging, with a wealth of technical
information, data; filled with regulations and rules.
They know the new, harsh sheen of Chicago's O'Hare.
They know the cluttered approaches to Newark; they know
the
tricky shuttle that is Rio; they know, but do not relish,
the
intricate instrument approaches to various foreign
airports;
they know the volcanoes all around Guatemala.
They respect foggy San Francisco.
They know the up-and-down walk to the gates at Dallas, the
Texas
sparseness of Abilene, New Orleans' sparkling terminal,
the
milling crowds at Washington.
They know Butte, Boston, and Beirut.
They appreciate the perfect weather in Phoenix; they
recognize
the danger of an ice-slick runway at JFK.
They understand short runways, antiquated fire equipment,
inadequate approach lighting, but there is one thing they
will
never comprehend: Complacency.
They marvel at the exquisite good taste of hot coffee in
Anchorage and a cold beer in Guam.
They vaguely remember the workhorse efficiency of the
DC-3's,
the reliability of the DC- 4's and DC- 6's, the troubles
with
the DC-7 and the propellers on Boeing 377's. They discuss
the
beauty of an old gal named Connie.
They recognize the high shrill whine of a Viscount, the
rumbling
thrust of a DC-8 or 707 on a clearway takeoff from Haneda.
The roominess of the 747 cockpit, and the snug fit of a
737.
They speak a language unknown to Webster. They discuss
ALPA,
EPR's, fans, mach and bogie swivels. And, strangely, such
things
as bugs, thumpers, crickets, and CAT's, but they are
inclined to
change the subject when the uninitiated approaches.
They remember flying before GPS; low freq ranges, VOR, ILS
and ADF.
They have tasted the characteristic loneliness of the sky,
and
occasionally feel the adrenaline of danger.
They respect the unseen thing called turbulence; they know
what
it means to fight for self-control, to discipline one's
senses.
They buy life insurance, but make no concession to the
possibility of complete disaster, for they have uncommon
faith
in themselves and what they are doing.
They concede the glamour is gone from flying.
They deny a pilot is through at sixty.
They know tomorrow, or the following night, something will
come
along they have never met before; they know flying
requires
perseverance and vigilance.
They know they must practice, lest they retrograde.
They realize why some wit once quipped: "Flying is year
after
year of monotony punctuated by seconds of stark terror."
As a
group, they defy mortality tables yet approach semi-annual
physical examinations with trepidation.
They are individualistic, yet bonded together.
They are family people.
They are reputedly overpaid, yet entrusted with equipment
worth
millions. And entrusted with lives, countless
lives.
At times they are reverent: They have watched the Pacific
sky
turn purple at dusk and the stark beauty of sunrise over
Iceland
at the end of a polar crossing.
They know the twinkling, jeweled beauty of Los Angeles at
night;
they have seen snow on the Rockies.
They remember the vast unending mat of green Amazon
jungle, the
twisting Silver road that is the Father of Waters, an ice
cream
cone called Fujiyama.
Who can forget Everest from 100 miles away, or the ice fog
in
Fairbanks in January?
They have watched a satellite streak across a starry sky,
seen
the clear, deep blue of the stratosphere, felt the
incalculable
force of the heavens.
They have marveled at sun streaked evenings, dappled
earth,
velvet night, and spun silver clouds, sculptured cumulus:
God's
weather.
They have viewed the Northern Lights, a wilderness of sky,
a
pilot's halo, a bomber's moon, horizontal rain, contrails
and
St. Elmo's Fire. Only a pilot experiences all this.
Flying close fingertip formation in a flight of four.
Stopping the lumbering beast on a short, icy, slick
runway.
Sunrises seen from the high flight levels that make the
heart
soar.
The patchwork quilt of the great plains of Kansas from
37,000'
on a day when you can see forever.
Cruising mere feet above a billiard-table-flat cloud deck
at
Mach .86 with your chin on the glare shield and your face
as
close as you can get to the windshield.
Punching out the top of a low overcast into the bright
sunlight.
The majesty and grandeur of towering cumulus.
Rotating at VR and feeling 800,000 plus pounds of Airplane
come
alive as she lifts off.
The delicate threads of St. Elmo's Fire dancing on the
windshield at night.
The twinkle of lights on the Japanese fishing fleet far
below on
a night crossing of the North Pacific.
Cloud formations that are beautiful beyond description.
'Ice fog' in Anchorage on a cold winter morning.
Seeing the approach strobes appear through the fog on a
'Must do' zero-zero
approach when there is no other place to go.
Seeing geologic formations that no ground-pounder will
ever see.
The chaotic, non-stop babble of radio transmissions at
O'Hare
during the afternoon rush.
The quietness of center frequency at night during a
"Transcontinental flight" ... or over the Amazon at any
time.
Lightning storms at night over the Midwest.
Picking your way through a line of huge thunderstorms that
seemed to go all the way from Chicago to New Orleans
The soft glow of the instrument panel in a dark cockpit.
The dancing curtains of colored light of the "Aurora
Borealis=9D.
The taxiway names at O'Hare before they were renamed:
'The
Bridge', 'Lakeshore Drive', 'Old Scenic', 'New Scenic',
'Outer',
'The Bypass', 'Inner', 'Cargo', 'North-South', 'The Stub',
and
'Hangar Alley'!
The majestic panorama of an entire mountain range
stretched out
beneath you from horizon to horizon.
Lenticular clouds over the Sierras.
The brief, yet tempting, glimpse of runway lights after
you've
already committed to the missed approach.
The Alps in winter.
The South China Sea so smooth that you leave waves in the
water
from 75 feet above the sea as you fly over it.
BEFORE GPS: Talking to Ocean station, "November" for a fix
between the coast and Hickam to find out where in the hell
we
were.
The lights of London or Paris at night from FL 350.
Squall lines that run as far as you can see.
Exotic lands with exotic food.
Maneuvering the airplane through "canyons" - between
towering
Cumulus Clouds.
The deep blue-gray of the sky at FL 430.
The hustle and bustle of Hong Kong Harbor.
The softness of a touchdown on a snow-covered runway.
Hearing the nose wheel spin down against the snubber in
the
wheel well after takeoff. A delightful sound signaling
that you
were on your way!
Old Chinatown in Singapore before it was torn down,
modernized,
and sterilized.
Watching the lightning show while crossing the ITCZ at
night.
Long-tail boats speeding along the kalongs in Thailand.
The quietly turning paddle fans in the lobby and the "Long
Bar"
at the "Raffles Hotel" in Singapore.
Dodging colored splotches of red and yellow light on the
radar
screen at night.
The sound of foreign accents on the radio.
Luxury hotels.
To paraphrase the eloquent aviation writer, Ernie Gann,
"The
allure of the slit in a China Girl's skirt".
Sunsets of every color imaginable.
The tantalizing glow of the flashing strobe lights just
before
you break out of the clouds on the approach.
Yosemite Valley from above.
The almost blindingly-brilliant-white of a towering
cumulus
cloud.
A cold San Miguel in Angeles City after a long day's
flying.
The taxiway sentry (with his flag & machine gun) at the
old
Taipei (downtown) airport.
Seventy-thousand-foot-high thunderstorm clouds in the
tropics.
Sipping Pina Coladas in a luxury hotel bar, while a
Typhoon
rages outside.
Seeing the Chinese Junks bobbing in Aberdeen harbor,
during a
takeoff from Kai-Tak Airport.
The smell of Winter kimchee in Korea.
Watching the latitude count down to zero on the INS, and
seeing
it switch from "N" to "S" as you cross the equator.
Wake Island at sunrise.
Oslo Harbor at dusk.
Icebergs in the North Atlantic.
Contrails.
Pago Harbor framed by puffy cumulus clouds in the late
afternoon.
The camaraderie of a good crew.
Ferryboat races in Sydney Harbor.
Experiencing all the lines from the old Jo Stafford tune:
See the pyramids along the Nile.
See the sunrise on a tropic isle.
See the market place in old Algiers
Send home photographs and souvenirs.
Fly the ocean in a silver plane.
See the jungle when it's wet with rain.
White picket fences in Auckland.
White sandy beaches lined with swaying palms.
Double-decker buses in London.
The endless expanse of white on a Polar Crossing.
The "Star Ferry" in Hong Kong.
Bangkok after a tropical rain.
Mono Lake and the steep wall of the Sierra Nevada range
when
approached from the east.
The bus ride to Stanley ... on the upper deck front seat
of the
double-decker bus.
Heavy takeoffs from the "Cliff" runway at Guam.
Landings in the B-767 when the only way you knew you had
touched
down was the movement of the spoiler handle.
The deafening sound of tropical raindrops slamming angrily
against the windshield, accompanied by the hurried slap,
slap,
slap of the windshield wipers while landing in a
torrential
downpour in Manila.
Endless ripples of sand dunes across the trackless miles
of the
Sahara desert.
German beer.
The pounding pride, joy, and excitement as your carrier
slowly
returns to port after a combat cruise.
Oktoberfest.
The white cliffs of Dover.
Oom-pa-pa music at Meyer Gustels in 'Frankfurt' or
sweinhauzen
at Gert's.
Fjords in Norway.
The aimless compass, not knowing where to point as you
near the
top of the world on a polar crossing.
The whiskey compass on a steep tilt.
The old Charlie-Charlie NDB approach into Kai Tak.
Brain bags crammed with charts to exotic places.
The Peak tram in Hong Kong.
Breaking out of the clouds on the IGS approach to runway
13 at
Kai Tak, and seeing a windshield full of checkerboard.
An empty weight takeoff in a B-757.
The bustle of Nathan Road on a summer day.
Sliding in over Crystal Springs reservoir for a visual
approach
and landing on 1R in SFO.
The smell of tropical blooms when you step off the plane
in
Fiji.
The rush of a full-speed-brakes descent at barber pole in
a
B-727.
Deadheading in First Class.
The Canarsie approach into JFK.
The Eiffel Tower Max Gross Weight Takeoffs.
Cross-wind landings at 29 Kts/90 degrees.
Good Co-pilots.
Man-sized rudder pedals as big as pie plates.
Leak-checking your eyelids on a long night flight.
And, as one friend so perceptively pointed out, "Payday"!
Making an aural null range approach.
Watching Venus coming up before the sun in the Eastern
sky,
giving the horizon a light show like no other.
Your first T-38 afterburner takeoff.
Drinking beer at Barney's Beach house on Tumon Bay in
Guam.
Flying the 767-500 on the EXPRESSWAY VISUAL to RWY 31 at
LGA.
Kobe Beef in Kadena.
Listening to the controllers work Atlanta Approach on a
busy
summer thunderstorm day.
Landing the first Saturday after 9-11.
Watching the sunset and sunrise on the same leg.
Playing golf at Clark.
Sailing in the lagoon at Diego Garcia.
The C-141 at 200' across the desert.
C-150 spins with new students.
Flying an NDB circle to minimums in Korea.
New Years Eve at the Rocks in Sydney.
Manila, Moncton, Tokyo, Shanwick, Honolulu, New York, San
Francisco radio.
Eating Banana Fritters at Pago Pago waiting on fuel.
Getting an "OK" grade (the best) from the LSO, after a
night,
3-wire trap onto a pitching deck at the aircraft carrier.
Enjoying the great apple pies at the Sitka, Alaska
airport.
Finding an accommodating hotel bartender who will open up
the
bar just for you and your crew at 5 am, after flying all
night.
Your first trip as a newly-minted airline Captain.
Watching Sumo wrestlers in Kyoto.
The treasures you find at the Shannon, Ireland Duty Free
Shop.
Seeing your flight attendants all stripped down to their
tiny
bikinis at the hotel pool.
Enjoying a Guinness - the way it should be drunk - at
"Durtee
Nellie's" bar in Limerick, Ireland. (Established in 1611)
Seeing the looks of thanks and admiration in the eyes of
departing passengers, after you brought them safely
through a
harrowing, turbulent thunderstorm enroute.
Watching the glee in a young child's eyes as he is met by
the
grandparents at the airport gate.
Getting a soft touchdown and keeping it on centerline,
despite
35-knot crosswinds on an ice-covered runway.
A good flight attendant in First Class who keeps you
supplied
with rich, hot coffee.
24-hour layovers in Puerto Vallarta. (or Mazatlan or
Zijhua
Tanejo or Manzanio.)
Trying to "catch the wire" (before you end up in the
swimming
pool) at the NAS Cubi Point Officer's Club.
The view from Victoria Peak Restaurant in Kowloon.
"Window shopping" in Amsterdam.
Getting a body massage in Bangkok.
Rick's Cafe on the cliff in Jamaica.
Doing the River Approach (visual) to Rwy 19 at DCA.
Hearing the "Call To Prayer" from the nearest mosque in
Rihyad.
ANY Runway 8 takeoff or landing at Juneau.
Navigating "The Metro" in and under Paris.
And MOST OF ALL, flying for 37 years and NEVER ONCE
appearing on
the 11 o'clock news.
Listening to the early call to prayer on while sipping
coffee on
your hotel balcony in Istanbul.
Snow covered Red Square at midnight under a full moon.
The hustle of converting feet to meters on an approach
into
Moscow.
The unusual and exotic qualities of Mumbai.
Visiting the street of chocolatiers in Brussels.
The sky on a clear night at 30 West.
The Milky Way on a clear night over the Pacific.
A Cat 3 snow storm landing.
Heavy fog taxi and take-off in the pre-dawn hours.
Lilting voices of Scottish controllers.
Female British controllers conducting a GCA.
Range approaches...that actually worked.
Watching the moon-rise over the ocean and beach in St.
Croix
after a long day of fighting weather.
Seeing the world from a cockpit 5 to 6 miles up.
Small family restaurants in the back streets of Rome.
Visiting a flight attendant's father's olive orchard in
Greece.
Paris.
Dublin and singing in a pub.
First carrier landing.
Flames from the stacks of a B-25 at night.
Just you, the ocean, the moon and that big old
radial...all
alone.
Seeing a carrier at the pier for the first time.
Picking up the ball for the first time
Last carrier landing.
Last simulator check.
Being fortunate enough to learn from my mistakes and
survive.
Joking with your fellow pilots in operations.
Last flight and going home.
Not bending any aluminum and staying out of the news for
36
years.
Unpacking my suitcase for the last time.
On short final to Ascension Island hoping the other half
of the
runway is still there.
It is their world. And once was mine...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Gee, Don, thanks for pointing out that I definitely chose the wrong career
path. I'm sure there are negatives too, but I'm guessing that everything on
this list makes them worth it!
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:14 PM, dongirod wrote:
WOW, great memories ! Forwarded from a friend. Long but good. FE
=EF=BB You see them at airport terminals around the world.
They come neatly uniformed and, sleeves striped; wings over their
left pocket.
They show up looking fresh. There's a brisk, young-old look of
efficiency about them.
They arrive fresh from home, from hotels, carrying suitcases,
battered briefcases, bulging, with a wealth of technical
information, data; filled with regulations and rules.
They know the new, harsh sheen of Chicago's O'Hare.
They know the cluttered approaches to Newark; they know the
tricky shuttle that is Rio; they know, but do not relish, the
intricate instrument approaches to various foreign airports;
they know the volcanoes all around Guatemala.
They respect foggy San Francisco.
They know the up-and-down walk to the gates at Dallas, the Texas
sparseness of Abilene, New Orleans' sparkling terminal, the
milling crowds at Washington.
They know Butte, Boston, and Beirut.
They appreciate the perfect weather in Phoenix; they recognize
the danger of an ice-slick runway at JFK.
They understand short runways, antiquated fire equipment,
inadequate approach lighting, but there is one thing they will
never comprehend: Complacency.
They marvel at the exquisite good taste of hot coffee in
Anchorage and a cold beer in Guam.
They vaguely remember the workhorse efficiency of the DC-3's,
the reliability of the DC- 4's and DC- 6's, the troubles with
the DC-7 and the propellers on Boeing 377's. They discuss the
beauty of an old gal named Connie.
They recognize the high shrill whine of a Viscount, the rumbling
thrust of a DC-8 or 707 on a clearway takeoff from Haneda.
The roominess of the 747 cockpit, and the snug fit of a 737.
They speak a language unknown to Webster. They discuss ALPA,
EPR's, fans, mach and bogie swivels. And, strangely, such things
as bugs, thumpers, crickets, and CAT's, but they are inclined to
change the subject when the uninitiated approaches.
They remember flying *before* GPS; low freq ranges, VOR, ILS
and ADF.
They have tasted the characteristic loneliness of the sky, and
occasionally feel the adrenaline of danger.
They respect the unseen thing called turbulence; they know what
it means to fight for self-control, to discipline one's senses.
They buy life insurance, but make no concession to the
possibility of complete disaster, for they have uncommon faith
in themselves and what they are doing.
They concede the glamour is gone from flying.
They deny a pilot is through at sixty.
They know tomorrow, or the following night, something will come
along they have never met before; they know flying requires
perseverance and vigilance.
They know they must practice, lest they retrograde.
They realize why some wit once quipped: "Flying is year after
year of monotony punctuated by seconds of stark terror." As a
group, they defy mortality tables yet approach semi-annual
physical examinations with trepidation.
They are individualistic, yet bonded together.
They are family people.
They are reputedly overpaid, yet entrusted with equipment worth
millions. And entrusted with lives, *countless
lives*.
At times they are reverent: They have watched the Pacific sky
turn purple at dusk and the stark beauty of sunrise over Iceland
at the end of a polar crossing.
They know the twinkling, jeweled beauty of Los Angeles at night;
they have seen snow on the Rockies.
They remember the vast unending mat of green Amazon jungle, the
twisting Silver road that is the Father of Waters, an ice cream
cone called Fujiyama.
Who can forget Everest from 100 miles away, or the ice fog in
Fairbanks in January?
They have watched a satellite streak across a starry sky, seen
the clear, deep blue of the stratosphere, felt the incalculable
force of the heavens.
They have marveled at sun streaked evenings, dappled earth,
velvet night, and spun silver clouds, sculptured cumulus: God's
weather.
They have viewed the Northern Lights, a wilderness of sky, a
pilot's halo, a bomber's moon, horizontal rain, contrails and
St. Elmo's Fire. Only a pilot experiences all this.
Flying close fingertip formation in a flight of four.
Stopping the lumbering beast on a short, icy, slick runway.
Sunrises seen from the high flight levels that make the heart
soar.
The patchwork quilt of the great plains of Kansas from 37,000'
on a day when you can see forever.
Cruising mere feet above a billiard-table-flat cloud deck at
Mach .86 with your chin on the glare shield and your face as
close as you can get to the windshield.
Punching out the top of a low overcast into the bright sunlight.
The majesty and grandeur of towering cumulus.
Rotating at VR and feeling 800,000 plus pounds of Airplane come
alive as she lifts off.
The delicate threads of St. Elmo's Fire dancing on the
windshield at night.
The twinkle of lights on the Japanese fishing fleet far below on
a night crossing of the North Pacific.
Cloud formations that are beautiful beyond description.
'Ice fog' in Anchorage on a cold winter morning.
Seeing the approach strobes appear through the fog on a *'Must
do'*zero-zero
approach when there is no other place to go.
Seeing geologic formations that no ground-pounder will ever see.
The chaotic, non-stop babble of radio transmissions at O'Hare
during the afternoon rush.
The quietness of center frequency at night during a
"Transcontinental flight" ... or over the Amazon at any time.
Lightning storms at night over the Midwest.
Picking your way through a line of huge thunderstorms that
seemed to go all the way from Chicago to New Orleans
The soft glow of the instrument panel in a dark cockpit.
The dancing curtains of colored light of the "Aurora Borealis
=9D.
The taxiway names at O'Hare before they were renamed: 'The
Bridge', 'Lakeshore Drive', 'Old Scenic', 'New Scenic', 'Outer',
'The Bypass', 'Inner', 'Cargo', 'North-South', 'The Stub', and
'Hangar Alley'!
The majestic panorama of an entire mountain range stretched out
beneath you from horizon to horizon.
Lenticular clouds over the Sierras.
The brief, yet tempting, glimpse of runway lights after you've
already committed to the missed approach.
The Alps in winter.
The South China Sea so smooth that you leave waves in the water
from 75 feet above the sea as you fly over it.
BEFORE GPS: Talking to Ocean station, "November" for a fix
between the coast and Hickam to find out where in the hell we
were.
The lights of London or Paris at night from FL 350.
Squall lines that run as far as you can see.
Exotic lands with exotic food.
Maneuvering the airplane through "canyons" - between towering
Cumulus Clouds.
The deep blue-gray of the sky at FL 430.
The hustle and bustle of Hong Kong Harbor.
The softness of a touchdown on a snow-covered runway.
Hearing the nose wheel spin down against the snubber in the
wheel well after takeoff. A delightful sound signaling that you
were on your way!
Old Chinatown in Singapore before it was torn down, modernized,
and sterilized.
Watching the lightning show while crossing the ITCZ at night.
Long-tail boats speeding along the kalongs in Thailand.
The quietly turning paddle fans in the lobby and the "Long Bar"
at the "Raffles Hotel" in Singapore.
Dodging colored splotches of red and yellow light on the radar
screen at night.
The sound of foreign accents on the radio.
Luxury hotels.
To paraphrase the eloquent aviation writer, Ernie Gann, "The
allure of the slit in a China Girl's skirt".
Sunsets of every color imaginable.
The tantalizing glow of the flashing strobe lights just before
you break out of the clouds on the approach.
Yosemite Valley from above.
The almost blindingly-brilliant-white of a towering cumulus
cloud.
A cold San Miguel in Angeles City after a long day's flying.
The taxiway sentry (with his flag & machine gun) at the old
Taipei (downtown) airport.
Seventy-thousand-foot-high thunderstorm clouds in the tropics.
Sipping Pina Coladas in a luxury hotel bar, while a Typhoon
rages outside.
Seeing the Chinese Junks bobbing in Aberdeen harbor, during a
takeoff from Kai-Tak Airport.
The smell of Winter kimchee in Korea.
Watching the latitude count down to zero on the INS, and seeing
it switch from "N" to "S" as you cross the equator.
Wake Island at sunrise.
Oslo Harbor at dusk.
Icebergs in the North Atlantic.
Contrails.
Pago Harbor framed by puffy cumulus clouds in the late
afternoon.
The camaraderie of a good crew.
Ferryboat races in Sydney Harbor.
Experiencing all the lines from the old Jo Stafford tune:
See the pyramids along the Nile.
See the sunrise on a tropic isle.
See the market place in old Algiers
Send home photographs and souvenirs.
Fly the ocean in a silver plane.
See the jungle when it's wet with rain.
White picket fences in Auckland.
White sandy beaches lined with swaying palms.
Double-decker buses in London.
The endless expanse of white on a Polar Crossing.
The "Star Ferry" in Hong Kong.
Bangkok after a tropical rain.
Mono Lake and the steep wall of the Sierra Nevada range when
approached from the east.
The bus ride to Stanley ... on the upper deck front seat of the
double-decker bus.
Heavy takeoffs from the "Cliff" runway at Guam.
Landings in the B-767 when the only way you knew you had touched
down was the movement of the spoiler handle.
The deafening sound of tropical raindrops slamming angrily
against the windshield, accompanied by the hurried slap, slap,
slap of the windshield wipers while landing in a torrential
downpour in Manila.
Endless ripples of sand dunes across the trackless miles of the
Sahara desert.
German beer.
The pounding pride, joy, and excitement as your carrier slowly
returns to port after a combat cruise.
Oktoberfest.
The white cliffs of Dover.
Oom-pa-pa music at Meyer Gustels in 'Frankfurt' or sweinhauzen
at Gert's.
Fjords in Norway.
The aimless compass, not knowing where to point as you near the
top of the world on a polar crossing.
The whiskey compass on a steep tilt.
The old Charlie-Charlie NDB approach into Kai Tak.
Brain bags crammed with charts to exotic places.
The Peak tram in Hong Kong.
Breaking out of the clouds on the IGS approach to runway 13 at
Kai Tak, and seeing a windshield full of checkerboard.
An empty weight takeoff in a B-757.
The bustle of Nathan Road on a summer day.
Sliding in over Crystal Springs reservoir for a visual approach
and landing on 1R in SFO.
The smell of tropical blooms when you step off the plane in
Fiji.
The rush of a full-speed-brakes descent at barber pole in a
B-727.
Deadheading in First Class.
The Canarsie approach into JFK.
The Eiffel Tower Max Gross Weight Takeoffs.
Cross-wind landings at 29 Kts/90 degrees.
Good Co-pilots.
Man-sized rudder pedals as big as pie plates.
Leak-checking your eyelids on a long night flight.
And, as one friend so perceptively pointed out, "Payday"!
Making an aural null range approach.
Watching Venus coming up before the sun in the Eastern sky,
giving the horizon a light show like no other.
Your first T-38 afterburner takeoff.
Drinking beer at Barney's Beach house on Tumon Bay in Guam.
Flying the 767-500 on the EXPRESSWAY VISUAL to RWY 31 at LGA.
Kobe Beef in Kadena.
Listening to the controllers work Atlanta Approach on a busy
summer thunderstorm day.
Landing the first Saturday after 9-11.
Watching the sunset and sunrise on the same leg.
Playing golf at Clark.
Sailing in the lagoon at Diego Garcia.
The C-141 at 200' across the desert.
C-150 spins with new students.
Flying an NDB circle to minimums in Korea.
New Years Eve at the Rocks in Sydney.
Manila, Moncton, Tokyo, Shanwick, Honolulu, New York, San
Francisco radio.
Eating Banana Fritters at Pago Pago waiting on fuel.
Getting an "OK" grade (the best) from the LSO, after a night,
3-wire trap onto a pitching deck at the aircraft carrier.
Enjoying the great apple pies at the Sitka, Alaska airport.
Finding an accommodating hotel bartender who will open up the
bar just for you and your crew at 5 am, after flying all night.
Your first trip as a newly-minted airline Captain.
Watching Sumo wrestlers in Kyoto.
The treasures you find at the Shannon, Ireland Duty Free Shop.
Seeing your flight attendants all stripped down to their tiny
bikinis at the hotel pool.
Enjoying a Guinness - the way it should be drunk - at "Durtee
Nellie's" bar in Limerick, Ireland. (Established in 1611)
Seeing the looks of thanks and admiration in the eyes of
departing passengers, after you brought them safely through a
harrowing, turbulent thunderstorm enroute.
Watching the glee in a young child's eyes as he is met by the
grandparents at the airport gate.
Getting a soft touchdown and keeping it on centerline, despite
35-knot crosswinds on an ice-covered runway.
A good flight attendant in First Class who keeps you supplied
with rich, hot coffee.
24-hour layovers in Puerto Vallarta. (or Mazatlan or Zijhua
Tanejo or Manzanio.)
Trying to "catch the wire" (before you end up in the swimming
pool) at the NAS Cubi Point Officer's Club.
The view from Victoria Peak Restaurant in Kowloon.
"Window shopping" in Amsterdam.
Getting a body massage in Bangkok.
Rick's Cafe on the cliff in Jamaica.
Doing the River Approach (visual) to Rwy 19 at DCA.
Hearing the "Call To Prayer" from the nearest mosque in Rihyad.
ANY Runway 8 takeoff or landing at Juneau.
Navigating "The Metro" in and under Paris.
And MOST OF ALL, flying for 37 years and NEVER ONCE appearing on
the 11 o'clock news.
Listening to the early call to prayer on while sipping coffee on
your hotel balcony in Istanbul.
Snow covered Red Square at midnight under a full moon.
The hustle of converting feet to meters on an approach into
Moscow.
The unusual and exotic qualities of Mumbai.
Visiting the street of chocolatiers in Brussels.
The sky on a clear night at 30 West.
The Milky Way on a clear night over the Pacific.
A Cat 3 snow storm landing.
Heavy fog taxi and take-off in the pre-dawn hours.
Lilting voices of Scottish controllers.
Female British controllers conducting a GCA.
Range approaches...that actually worked.
Watching the moon-rise over the ocean and beach in St. Croix
after a long day of fighting weather.
Seeing the world from a cockpit 5 to 6 miles up.
Small family restaurants in the back streets of Rome.
Visiting a flight attendant's father's olive orchard in Greece.
Paris.
Dublin and singing in a pub.
First carrier landing.
Flames from the stacks of a B-25 at night.
Just you, the ocean, the moon and that big old radial...all
alone.
Seeing a carrier at the pier for the first time.
Picking up the ball for the first time
Last carrier landing.
Last simulator check.
Being fortunate enough to learn from my mistakes and survive.
Joking with your fellow pilots in operations.
Last flight and going home.
Not bending any aluminum and staying out of the news for 36
years.
Unpacking my suitcase for the last time.
On short final to Ascension Island hoping the other half of the
runway is still there.
It is their world. *And once was mine...*
*
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
It really was a fun job (sigh).
Here is to the new guys, just hope they enjoy it too.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 11/16/2010 1:42:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
john(at)vormbaum.com writes:
Gee, Don, thanks for pointing out that I definitely chose the wrong caree
r
path. I'm sure there are negatives too, but I'm guessing that everything
on this list makes them worth it!
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 15, 2010, at 6:14 PM, dongirod <_dongirod(at)bellsouth.net_
(mailto:dongirod(at)bellsouth.net) > wrote:
WOW, great memories ! Forwarded from a friend. Long but good. FE
=EF=BB You see them at airport terminals around the world.
They come neatly uniformed and, sleeves striped; wings over their
left pocket.
They show up looking fresh. There's a brisk, young-old look of
efficiency about them.
They arrive fresh from home, from hotels, carrying suitcases,
battered briefcases, bulging, with a wealth of technical
information, data; filled with regulations and rules.
They know the new, harsh sheen of Chicago's O'Hare.
They know the cluttered approaches to Newark; they know the
tricky shuttle that is Rio; they know, but do not relish, the
intricate instrument approaches to various foreign airports;
they know the volcanoes all around Guatemala.
They respect foggy San Francisco.
They know the up-and-down walk to the gates at Dallas, the Texas
sparseness of Abilene, New Orleans' sparkling terminal, the
milling crowds at Washington.
They know Butte, Boston, and Beirut.
They appreciate the perfect weather in Phoenix; they recognize
the danger of an ice-slick runway at JFK.
They understand short runways, antiquated fire equipment,
inadequate approach lighting, but there is one thing they will
never comprehend: Complacency.
They marvel at the exquisite good taste of hot coffee in
Anchorage and a cold beer in Guam.
They vaguely remember the workhorse efficiency of the DC-3's,
the reliability of the DC- 4's and DC- 6's, the troubles with
the DC-7 and the propellers on Boeing 377's. They discuss the
beauty of an old gal named Connie.
They recognize the high shrill whine of a Viscount, the rumbling
thrust of a DC-8 or 707 on a clearway takeoff from Haneda.
The roominess of the 747 cockpit, and the snug fit of a 737.
They speak a language unknown to Webster. They discuss ALPA,
EPR's, fans, mach and bogie swivels. And, strangely, such things
as bugs, thumpers, crickets, and CAT's, but they are inclined to
change the subject when the uninitiated approaches.
They remember flying before GPS; low freq ranges, VOR, ILS
and ADF.
They have tasted the characteristic loneliness of the sky, and
occasionally feel the adrenaline of danger.
They respect the unseen thing called turbulence; they know what
it means to fight for self-control, to discipline one's senses.
They buy life insurance, but make no concession to the
possibility of complete disaster, for they have uncommon faith
in themselves and what they are doing.
They concede the glamour is gone from flying.
They deny a pilot is through at sixty.
They know tomorrow, or the following night, something will come
along they have never met before; they know flying requires
perseverance and vigilance.
They know they must practice, lest they retrograde.
They realize why some wit once quipped: "Flying is year after
year of monotony punctuated by seconds of stark terror." As a
group, they defy mortality tables yet approach semi-annual
physical examinations with trepidation.
They are individualistic, yet bonded together.
They are family people.
They are reputedly overpaid, yet entrusted with equipment worth
millions. And entrusted with lives, countless
lives.
At times they are reverent: They have watched the Pacific sky
turn purple at dusk and the stark beauty of sunrise over Iceland
at the end of a polar crossing.
They know the twinkling, jeweled beauty of Los Angeles at night;
they have seen snow on the Rockies.
They remember the vast unending mat of green Amazon jungle, the
twisting Silver road that is the Father of Waters, an ice cream
cone called Fujiyama.
Who can forget Everest from 100 miles away, or the ice fog in
Fairbanks in January?
They have watched a satellite streak across a starry sky, seen
the clear, deep blue of the stratosphere, felt the incalculable
force of the heavens.
They have marveled at sun streaked evenings, dappled earth,
velvet night, and spun silver clouds, sculptured cumulus: God's
weather.
They have viewed the Northern Lights, a wilderness of sky, a
pilot's halo, a bomber's moon, horizontal rain, contrails and
St. Elmo's Fire. Only a pilot experiences all this.
Flying close fingertip formation in a flight of four.
Stopping the lumbering beast on a short, icy, slick runway.
Sunrises seen from the high flight levels that make the heart
soar.
The patchwork quilt of the great plains of Kansas from 37,000'
on a day when you can see forever.
Cruising mere feet above a billiard-table-flat cloud deck at
Mach .86 with your chin on the glare shield and your face as
close as you can get to the windshield.
Punching out the top of a low overcast into the bright sunlight.
The majesty and grandeur of towering cumulus.
Rotating at VR and feeling 800,000 plus pounds of Airplane come
alive as she lifts off.
The delicate threads of St. Elmo's Fire dancing on the
windshield at night.
The twinkle of lights on the Japanese fishing fleet far below on
a night crossing of the North Pacific.
Cloud formations that are beautiful beyond description.
'Ice fog' in Anchorage on a cold winter morning.
Seeing the approach strobes appear through the fog on a 'Must do'
zero-zero
approach when there is no other place to go.
Seeing geologic formations that no ground-pounder will ever see.
The chaotic, non-stop babble of radio transmissions at O'Hare
during the afternoon rush.
The quietness of center frequency at night during a
"Transcontinental flight" ... or over the Amazon at any time.
Lightning storms at night over the Midwest.
Picking your way through a line of huge thunderstorms that
seemed to go all the way from Chicago to New Orleans
The soft glow of the instrument panel in a dark cockpit.
The dancing curtains of colored light of the "Aurora Borealis=9D.
The taxiway names at O'Hare before they were renamed: 'The
Bridge', 'Lakeshore Drive', 'Old Scenic', 'New Scenic', 'Outer',
'The Bypass', 'Inner', 'Cargo', 'North-South', 'The Stub', and
'Hangar Alley'!
The majestic panorama of an entire mountain range stretched out
beneath you from horizon to horizon.
Lenticular clouds over the Sierras.
The brief, yet tempting, glimpse of runway lights after you've
already committed to the missed approach.
The Alps in winter.
The South China Sea so smooth that you leave waves in the water
from 75 feet above the sea as you fly over it.
BEFORE GPS: Talking to Ocean station, "November" for a fix
between the coast and Hickam to find out where in the hell we
were.
The lights of London or Paris at night from FL 350.
Squall lines that run as far as you can see.
Exotic lands with exotic food.
Maneuvering the airplane through "canyons" - between towering
Cumulus Clouds.
The deep blue-gray of the sky at FL 430.
The hustle and bustle of Hong Kong Harbor.
The softness of a touchdown on a snow-covered runway.
Hearing the nose wheel spin down against the snubber in the
wheel well after takeoff. A delightful sound signaling that you
were on your way!
Old Chinatown in Singapore before it was torn down, modernized,
and sterilized.
Watching the lightning show while crossing the ITCZ at night.
Long-tail boats speeding along the kalongs in Thailand.
The quietly turning paddle fans in the lobby and the "Long Bar"
at the "Raffles Hotel" in Singapore.
Dodging colored splotches of red and yellow light on the radar
screen at night.
The sound of foreign accents on the radio.
Luxury hotels.
To paraphrase the eloquent aviation writer, Ernie Gann, "The
allure of the slit in a China Girl's skirt".
Sunsets of every color imaginable.
The tantalizing glow of the flashing strobe lights just before
you break out of the clouds on the approach.
Yosemite Valley from above.
The almost blindingly-brilliant-white of a towering cumulus
cloud.
A cold San Miguel in Angeles City after a long day's flying.
The taxiway sentry (with his flag & machine gun) at the old
Taipei (downtown) airport.
Seventy-thousand-foot-high thunderstorm clouds in the tropics.
Sipping Pina Coladas in a luxury hotel bar, while a Typhoon
rages outside.
Seeing the Chinese Junks bobbing in Aberdeen harbor, during a
takeoff from Kai-Tak Airport.
The smell of Winter kimchee in Korea.
Watching the latitude count down to zero on the INS, and seeing
it switch from "N" to "S" as you cross the equator.
Wake Island at sunrise.
Oslo Harbor at dusk.
Icebergs in the North Atlantic.
Contrails.
Pago Harbor framed by puffy cumulus clouds in the late
afternoon.
The camaraderie of a good crew.
Ferryboat races in Sydney Harbor.
Experiencing all the lines from the old Jo Stafford tune:
See the pyramids along the Nile.
See the sunrise on a tropic isle.
See the market place in old Algiers
Send home photographs and souvenirs.
Fly the ocean in a silver plane.
See the jungle when it's wet with rain.
White picket fences in Auckland.
White sandy beaches lined with swaying palms.
Double-decker buses in London.
The endless expanse of white on a Polar Crossing.
The "Star Ferry" in Hong Kong.
Bangkok after a tropical rain.
Mono Lake and the steep wall of the Sierra Nevada range when
approached from the east.
The bus ride to Stanley ... on the upper deck front seat of the
double-decker bus.
Heavy takeoffs from the "Cliff" runway at Guam.
Landings in the B-767 when the only way you knew you had touched
down was the movement of the spoiler handle.
The deafening sound of tropical raindrops slamming angrily
against the windshield, accompanied by the hurried slap, slap,
slap of the windshield wipers while landing in a torrential
downpour in Manila.
Endless ripples of sand dunes across the trackless miles of the
Sahara desert.
German beer.
The pounding pride, joy, and excitement as your carrier slowly
returns to port after a combat cruise.
Oktoberfest.
The white cliffs of Dover.
Oom-pa-pa music at Meyer Gustels in 'Frankfurt' or sweinhauzen
at Gert's.
Fjords in Norway.
The aimless compass, not knowing where to point as you near the
top of the world on a polar crossing.
The whiskey compass on a steep tilt.
The old Charlie-Charlie NDB approach into Kai Tak.
Brain bags crammed with charts to exotic places.
The Peak tram in Hong Kong.
Breaking out of the clouds on the IGS approach to runway 13 at
Kai Tak, and seeing a windshield full of checkerboard.
An empty weight takeoff in a B-757.
The bustle of Nathan Road on a summer day.
Sliding in over Crystal Springs reservoir for a visual approach
and landing on 1R in SFO.
The smell of tropical blooms when you step off the plane in
Fiji.
The rush of a full-speed-brakes descent at barber pole in a
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