Commander-Archive.digest.vol-dt
November 17, 2010 - December 06, 2010
B-727.
Deadheading in First Class.
The Canarsie approach into JFK.
The Eiffel Tower Max Gross Weight Takeoffs.
Cross-wind landings at 29 Kts/90 degrees.
Good Co-pilots.
Man-sized rudder pedals as big as pie plates.
Leak-checking your eyelids on a long night flight.
And, as one friend so perceptively pointed out, "Payday"!
Making an aural null range approach.
Watching Venus coming up before the sun in the Eastern sky,
giving the horizon a light show like no other.
Your first T-38 afterburner takeoff.
Drinking beer at Barney's Beach house on Tumon Bay in Guam.
Flying the 767-500 on the EXPRESSWAY VISUAL to RWY 31 at LGA.
Kobe Beef in Kadena.
Listening to the controllers work Atlanta Approach on a busy
summer thunderstorm day.
Landing the first Saturday after 9-11.
Watching the sunset and sunrise on the same leg.
Playing golf at Clark.
Sailing in the lagoon at Diego Garcia.
The C-141 at 200' across the desert.
C-150 spins with new students.
Flying an NDB circle to minimums in Korea.
New Years Eve at the Rocks in Sydney.
Manila, Moncton, Tokyo, Shanwick, Honolulu, New York, San
Francisco radio.
Eating Banana Fritters at Pago Pago waiting on fuel.
Getting an "OK" grade (the best) from the LSO, after a night,
3-wire trap onto a pitching deck at the aircraft carrier.
Enjoying the great apple pies at the Sitka, Alaska airport.
Finding an accommodating hotel bartender who will open up the
bar just for you and your crew at 5 am, after flying all night.
Your first trip as a newly-minted airline Captain.
Watching Sumo wrestlers in Kyoto.
The treasures you find at the Shannon, Ireland Duty Free Shop.
Seeing your flight attendants all stripped down to their tiny
bikinis at the hotel pool.
Enjoying a Guinness - the way it should be drunk - at "Durtee
Nellie's" bar in Limerick, Ireland. (Established in 1611)
Seeing the looks of thanks and admiration in the eyes of
departing passengers, after you brought them safely through a
harrowing, turbulent thunderstorm enroute.
Watching the glee in a young child's eyes as he is met by the
grandparents at the airport gate.
Getting a soft touchdown and keeping it on centerline, despite
35-knot crosswinds on an ice-covered runway.
A good flight attendant in First Class who keeps you supplied
with rich, hot coffee.
24-hour layovers in Puerto Vallarta. (or Mazatlan or Zijhua
Tanejo or Manzanio.)
Trying to "catch the wire" (before you end up in the swimming
pool) at the NAS Cubi Point Officer's Club.
The view from Victoria Peak Restaurant in Kowloon.
"Window shopping" in Amsterdam.
Getting a body massage in Bangkok.
Rick's Cafe on the cliff in Jamaica.
Doing the River Approach (visual) to Rwy 19 at DCA.
Hearing the "Call To Prayer" from the nearest mosque in Rihyad.
ANY Runway 8 takeoff or landing at Juneau.
Navigating "The Metro" in and under Paris.
And MOST OF ALL, flying for 37 years and NEVER ONCE appearing on
the 11 o'clock news.
Listening to the early call to prayer on while sipping coffee on
your hotel balcony in Istanbul.
Snow covered Red Square at midnight under a full moon.
The hustle of converting feet to meters on an approach into
Moscow.
The unusual and exotic qualities of Mumbai.
Visiting the street of chocolatiers in Brussels.
The sky on a clear night at 30 West.
The Milky Way on a clear night over the Pacific.
A Cat 3 snow storm landing.
Heavy fog taxi and take-off in the pre-dawn hours.
Lilting voices of Scottish controllers.
Female British controllers conducting a GCA.
Range approaches...that actually worked.
Watching the moon-rise over the ocean and beach in St. Croix
after a long day of fighting weather.
Seeing the world from a cockpit 5 to 6 miles up.
Small family restaurants in the back streets of Rome.
Visiting a flight attendant's father's olive orchard in Greece.
Paris.
Dublin and singing in a pub.
First carrier landing.
Flames from the stacks of a B-25 at night.
Just you, the ocean, the moon and that big old radial...all
alone.
Seeing a carrier at the pier for the first time.
Picking up the ball for the first time
Last carrier landing.
Last simulator check.
Being fortunate enough to learn from my mistakes and survive.
Joking with your fellow pilots in operations.
Last flight and going home.
Not bending any aluminum and staying out of the news for 36
years.
Unpacking my suitcase for the last time.
On short final to Ascension Island hoping the other half of the
runway is still there.
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
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| Subject: | Fwd: last flight |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:24 am
Subject: last flight
Jim,
I just found the TCFG news letter that was mailed 2 Sept. It made me real
ize
hat I had not keep up with you as to our not coming to the fly-in.
eresa's father and one of my best friends passed away Oct 9th from congest
ive
eart failure. Bob and Sonnie Murdock's telling of their Commander trip to
heir grandson's graduation brought joys and sadness of my last trip with
6369U
someday to be 500DF).
Dick, Teresa's Dad, was a great man to be around, he had a thousand storie
s that
people loved to hear him tell and he was the happiest man I ever knew. He
loved
mechanics and there was nothing that he could not fix. In addition to bei
ng a
rofessional mechanic his whole life he loved to help friends with their
aintenance problems. He enjoyed helping me and my A & I work on my planes
.
ven though he had no formal training an airplane was just another piece of
quipment and he was of great help with "crop duster maintenance".
eresa's mother moved to Colorado several years ago but Dick wanted to stay
on
is farm near his numerous friends, his cattle, his dog, his deer and his
wild
ogs. He would visit four to five times a year and I would go visit him ab
out
s often. I knew he was really slowing down and a few times I would ask if
he
elt okay and he would just grin and say "OK for 85". He never had much us
e for
doctors until that last few weeks of his life. He liked to say that docto
rs
ere like mechanics and if they did not know what they were doing you could
sure
get "rickadooed".
ick wanted to drive his truck to Colorado in August so I met him at the
irport DFW and drove back to Oklahoma with him where he stayed a week with
me
hile we were very busy 15-18 hour days scheduling, figuring loads spraying
and
leaning up. I would try to get him to go to my place and rest but he ins
isted
on being there all day, that kind of bothers me now. He drove on to Color
ado
lone and started to have heart problems in just a few days. He had to go
to
he hospital in the end of August for 4 or 5 days and they released him.
He was
really depressed because he had a yearly "dove hunt" on his farm, labor da
y
eekend, for the last 28 years and he knew he was not going to be there and
he
nstinctively knew it would be his last. I told him that if doctors would
agree
hat I would fly him down on Friday and back on Sunday. That he should tel
l the
doctors that within 15 minutes after take off that we would constantly be
going
o a lower altitude than where he lived in Colorado. They said great and
he was
like a child going to Disney Land.
ost people do not know how most Texans feel about there beloved State. Th
ey
eel a closer bond to Texas than most Americans feel about the US of A.
ick loved to fly with me and knew the route home quite well. When he saw
errick, Tx go by he turned to me with an ear to ear grin and stated "We ar
e in
exas", I knew instantly that making the trip was the right decision. I ha
d
een a little nervous about his well being and what I had gotten into.
He loved the hunting party. Sunday he started going down hill and I took
him to
the hospital where he stayed for nine days one time they had to
ecessitate him and I was not sure about what I had done. I stayed with hi
m
very day until they released him and gave us a green light to fly home.
We
ent to the airport and I told Dick to wait in the car with his best friend
of
orty years while I got the plane ready. The right engine on 69U is genera
lly a
little cantankerous and I knew I had a weak battery so I started the left
and it
took over thirty minutes to get the right started. I had tried everything
I
new or ever heard of and the starter in spite of giving it rest between
ttempts was really hot. I carry an extra starter with me but fortunately
I did
not need it. Finally it fired off and we got under way. We "had" to do
a fly
y for his friends seeing him off at the airport and a circle or two over
his
arm before we heading North. As always he loved the flight. We stopped
at
oise City, OK (17K) where I spray out of to refuel and relieve. The right
ngine started right up even though it was hot. I have never had that much
rouble starting a plane engine. In hind sight I think God was giving Dick
and
is friend a little extra time together. I did not realize it at the time
but
hile I was trying to start the engine Dick and Bubba had a real good heart
to
eart visit.
Dick, went up and down health wise and I really thought he was going to be
round for another year or two, but that was not to be. One of the best th
ings
ick ever did for me was to tell me how much he enjoyed going to Texas for
the
eekend and that he wanted to thank me for making it possible to be with hi
s
riends for the last time.
We really hope to make next years fly-in. If you are near the pan handle
of
klahoma (17K) drop in for the cheapest fuel you'll find.
an
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: last flight |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: last flight
Thanks for the great story!!!! Hope to see you next year. There is no be
tter way to see the places you love than from the front seat of a Commande
r!! I know just what it looks like to watch that beautiful country slip
under the nose. Sorry for you loss, but glad you could share you Command
er with him. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:24 am
Subject: last flight
Jim,
I just found the TCFG news letter that was mailed 2 Sept. It made me real
ize
hat I had not keep up with you as to our not coming to the fly-in.
eresa's father and one of my best friends passed away Oct 9th from congest
ive
eart failure. Bob and Sonnie Murdock's telling of their Commander trip to
heir grandson's graduation brought joys and sadness of my last trip with
6369U
someday to be 500DF).
Dick, Teresa's Dad, was a great man to be around, he had a thousand storie
s that
people loved to hear him tell and he was the happiest man I ever knew. He
loved
mechanics and there was nothing that he could not fix. In addition to bei
ng a
rofessional mechanic his whole life he loved to help friends with their
aintenance problems. He enjoyed helping me and my A & I work on my planes
.
ven though he had no formal training an airplane was just another piece of
quipment and he was of great help with "crop duster maintenance".
eresa's mother moved to Colorado several years ago but Dick wanted to stay
on
is farm near his numerous friends, his cattle, his dog, his deer and his
wild
ogs. He would visit four to five times a year and I would go visit him ab
out
s often. I knew he was really slowing down and a few times I would ask if
he
elt okay and he would just grin and say "OK for 85". He never had much us
e for
doctors until that last few weeks of his life. He liked to say that docto
rs
ere like mechanics and if they did not know what they were doing you could
sure
get "rickadooed".
ick wanted to drive his truck to Colorado in August so I met him at the
irport DFW and drove back to Oklahoma with him where he stayed a week with
me
hile we were very busy 15-18 hour days scheduling, figuring loads spraying
and
leaning up. I would try to get him to go to my place and rest but he ins
isted
on being there all day, that kind of bothers me now. He drove on to Color
ado
lone and started to have heart problems in just a few days. He had to go
to
he hospital in the end of August for 4 or 5 days and they released him.
He was
really depressed because he had a yearly "dove hunt" on his farm, labor da
y
eekend, for the last 28 years and he knew he was not going to be there and
he
nstinctively knew it would be his last. I told him that if doctors would
agree
hat I would fly him down on Friday and back on Sunday. That he should tel
l the
doctors that within 15 minutes after take off that we would constantly be
going
o a lower altitude than where he lived in Colorado. They said great and
he was
like a child going to Disney Land.
ost people do not know how most Texans feel about there beloved State. Th
ey
eel a closer bond to Texas than most Americans feel about the US of A.
ick loved to fly with me and knew the route home quite well. When he saw
errick, Tx go by he turned to me with an ear to ear grin and stated "We ar
e in
exas", I knew instantly that making the trip was the right decision. I ha
d
een a little nervous about his well being and what I had gotten into.
He loved the hunting party. Sunday he started going down hill and I took
him to
the hospital where he stayed for nine days one time they had to
ecessitate him and I was not sure about what I had done. I stayed with hi
m
very day until they released him and gave us a green light to fly home.
We
ent to the airport and I told Dick to wait in the car with his best friend
of
orty years while I got the plane ready. The right engine on 69U is genera
lly a
little cantankerous and I knew I had a weak battery so I started the left
and it
took over thirty minutes to get the right started. I had tried everything
I
new or ever heard of and the starter in spite of giving it rest between
ttempts was really hot. I carry an extra starter with me but fortunately
I did
not need it. Finally it fired off and we got under way. We "had" to do
a fly
y for his friends seeing him off at the airport and a circle or two over
his
arm before we heading North. As always he loved the flight. We stopped
at
oise City, OK (17K) where I spray out of to refuel and relieve. The right
ngine started right up even though it was hot. I have never had that much
rouble starting a plane engine. In hind sight I think God was giving Dick
and
is friend a little extra time together. I did not realize it at the time
but
hile I was trying to start the engine Dick and Bubba had a real good heart
to
eart visit.
Dick, went up and down health wise and I really thought he was going to be
round for another year or two, but that was not to be. One of the best th
ings
ick ever did for me was to tell me how much he enjoyed going to Texas for
the
eekend and that he wanted to thank me for making it possible to be with hi
s
riends for the last time.
We really hope to make next years fly-in. If you are near the pan handle
of
klahoma (17K) drop in for the cheapest fuel you'll find.
an
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Fwd: last flight |
Thank you for sharing the story, Dan. It really got to me. Our condolences
from my family to you all.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: last flight
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:24 am
Subject: last flight
Jim,
I just found the TCFG news letter that was mailed 2 Sept. It made me
realize
that I had not keep up with you as to our not coming to the fly-in.
Teresa's father and one of my best friends passed away Oct 9th from
congestive
heart failure. Bob and Sonnie Murdock's telling of their Commander trip to
their grandson's graduation brought joys and sadness of my last trip with
6369U
(someday to be 500DF).
Dick, Teresa's Dad, was a great man to be around, he had a thousand stories
that
people loved to hear him tell and he was the happiest man I ever knew. He
loved
mechanics and there was nothing that he could not fix. In addition to being
a
professional mechanic his whole life he loved to help friends with their
maintenance problems. He enjoyed helping me and my A & I work on my planes.
Even though he had no formal training an airplane was just another piece of
equipment and he was of great help with "crop duster maintenance".
Teresa's mother moved to Colorado several years ago but Dick wanted to stay
on
his farm near his numerous friends, his cattle, his dog, his deer and his
wild
hogs. He would visit four to five times a year and I would go visit him
about
as often. I knew he was really slowing down and a few times I would ask if
he
felt okay and he would just grin and say "OK for 85". He never had much use
for
doctors until that last few weeks of his life. He liked to say that doctors
were like mechanics and if they did not know what they were doing you could
sure
get "rickadooed".
Dick wanted to drive his truck to Colorado in August so I met him at the
airport DFW and drove back to Oklahoma with him where he stayed a week with
me
while we were very busy 15-18 hour days scheduling, figuring loads spraying
and
cleaning up. I would try to get him to go to my place and rest but he
insisted
on being there all day, that kind of bothers me now. He drove on to
Colorado
alone and started to have heart problems in just a few days. He had to go
to
the hospital in the end of August for 4 or 5 days and they released him. He
was
really depressed because he had a yearly "dove hunt" on his farm, labor day
weekend, for the last 28 years and he knew he was not going to be there and
he
instinctively knew it would be his last. I told him that if doctors would
agree
that I would fly him down on Friday and back on Sunday. That he should tell
the
doctors that within 15 minutes after take off that we would constantly be
going
to a lower altitude than where he lived in Colorado. They said great and he
was
like a child going to Disney Land.
Most people do not know how most Texans feel about there beloved State.
They
feel a closer bond to Texas than most Americans feel about the US of A.
Dick loved to fly with me and knew the route home quite well. When he saw
Kerrick, Tx go by he turned to me with an ear to ear grin and stated "We are
in
Texas", I knew instantly that making the trip was the right decision. I had
been a little nervous about his well being and what I had gotten into.
He loved the hunting party. Sunday he started going down hill and I took
him to
the hospital where he stayed for nine days one time they had to
recessitate him and I was not sure about what I had done. I stayed with him
every day until they released him and gave us a green light to fly home. We
went to the airport and I told Dick to wait in the car with his best friend
of
forty years while I got the plane ready. The right engine on 69U is
generally a
little cantankerous and I knew I had a weak battery so I started the left
and it
took over thirty minutes to get the right started. I had tried everything I
knew or ever heard of and the starter in spite of giving it rest between
attempts was really hot. I carry an extra starter with me but fortunately I
did
not need it. Finally it fired off and we got under way. We "had" to do a
fly
by for his friends seeing him off at the airport and a circle or two over
his
farm before we heading North. As always he loved the flight. We stopped at
Boise City, OK (17K) where I spray out of to refuel and relieve. The right
engine started right up even though it was hot. I have never had that much
trouble starting a plane engine. In hind sight I think God was giving Dick
and
his friend a little extra time together. I did not realize it at the time
but
while I was trying to start the engine Dick and Bubba had a real good heart
to
heart visit.
Dick, went up and down health wise and I really thought he was going to be
around for another year or two, but that was not to be. One of the best
things
Dick ever did for me was to tell me how much he enjoyed going to Texas for
the
weekend and that he wanted to thank me for making it possible to be with his
friends for the last time.
We really hope to make next years fly-in. If you are near the pan handle of
Oklahoma (17K) drop in for the cheapest fuel you'll find.
dan
=
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| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published |
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I am terribly sad to report that TCFG member Susan Lutz lost her battle wi
th cancer last month (http://www.thomaegarza.com/index.cfm). For those of
you lucky enough to have met Susan she was a very special lady. Our thou
ghts and prayers go out to Paul as he deals with this loss.
~Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Jim & Sue,
Thankyou for passing on this very sad news.
Susan infected us all with her absolute love of life and will always be in our
hearts.
TCFG flyins and auctions will never be the same,
We will always remember Susan's proud arrival at Fredericksburg in her C90
Kingair saying...."I used all that runway, just coz I could"!
I will personally make contact with Paul.
Cheers
Russell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Truly sad, truly.
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:13 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Sad News
I am terribly sad to report that TCFG member Susan Lutz lost her battle
with cancer last month (http://www.thomaegarza.com/index.cfm). For
those of you lucky enough to have met Susan she was a very special lady.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Paul as he deals with this loss.
~Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | What Commander was involved ? |
Hi JimBob,
I've tried emailing you using yourtcfg(at)aol.com regarding this, but for some
reason I'm getting messages back saying that the messages are undeliverable.
They are telling me:
"The following message to was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 554-'5.2.1 : (HVU:B2)
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421hvub2.html '"
Anyway, what Commander were you delivering when that deer ran out in front
of you?
The web link is:
http://www.monticellolive.com/plane-hits-deer-at-airport/
Very Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: What Commander was involved ? |
JimBob,
What happened to the deer? Is it meatloaf yet?
Glad you were not hurt. It is always a good landing when you can use
the airplane again, even with some repair.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 23, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Barry Collman wrote:
> Hi JimBob,
>
> I=92ve tried emailing you using yourtcfg(at)aol.com regarding this, but
for some reason I=92m getting messages back saying that the messages are
undeliverable.
> They are telling me:
>
> =93The following message to was undeliverable.
> The reason for the problem:
> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 554-'5.2.1 : (HVU:B2)
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421hvub2.html '=94
>
> Anyway, what Commander were you delivering when that deer ran out in
front of you?
> The web link is:
> http://www.monticellolive.com/plane-hits-deer-at-airport/
>
> Very Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
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| Subject: | Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution... |
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | FW: Damn right I'll forward it. |
I checked and this is true.
Nico van Niekerk
Courage.
You're a 19 year old kid.
You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle somewhere in the Central
Highlands of Viet Nam .
It's November 11, 1967. LZ (landing zone) X-ray.
Your unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100
yards away, that your CO (commanding officer) has ordered the MedEvac
helicopters to stop coming in.
You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're
not getting out.
Your family is half way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll
never see them again.
As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day.
Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound of a
helicopter.
You look up to see a Huey coming in. But ... It doesn't seem real because
no MedEvac markings are on it.
Captain Ed Freeman is coming in for you.
He's not MedEvac so it's not his job, but he heard the radio call and
decided he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway.
Even after the MedEvacs were ordered not to come. He's coming anyway.
And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 3 of
you at a time on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses
and safety.
And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!! Until all the wounded were
out. No one knew until the mission was over that the Captain had been hit 4
times in the legs and left arm.
He took 29 of you and your buddies out that day. Some would not have made it
without the Captain and his Huey.
Medal of Honor Recipient, Captain Ed Freeman, United States Air Force,
died August 20, 2008 at the age of 80, in Boise, Idaho ..
May God Bless and Rest His Soul.
I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure seen a
whole bunch about Michael Jackson, Tiger Woods and the bickering of
congress.
Medal of Honor Winner Captain Ed Freeman
Shame on the American media !!!
Honor this real American.
Please.
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| Subject: | No "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser... |
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| Subject: | Commander 685 for sale. |
Hi All,
There's a 685 for sale, with details at:
http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out
<http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272> &id=272
A few points though.
Firstly, it isn't a "1975" example, having been Certificated as N9205N on
01Nov72.
Secondly, the Serial Number isn't "11272" (a 690A!), but is 12014.
Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been cancelled
from the FAA Register.
Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be
presented as YV2448, not "YV-2448".
Seems as though the price it's available for sale at is US$60,000.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Commander 685 for sale. |
Eish. That looks like it requires a serious investment. It seems more like a
deal to take it away at no cost to clean up the airport.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Hi All,
There's a 685 for sale, with details at:
http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out
<http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272> &id=272
A few points though.
Firstly, it isn't a "1975" example, having been Certificated as N9205N on
01Nov72.
Secondly, the Serial Number isn't "11272" (a 690A!), but is 12014.
Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been cancelled
from the FAA Register.
Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be
presented as YV2448, not "YV-2448".
Seems as though the price it's available for sale at is US$60,000.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
Thanks Barry, nice to know that there are still some bargains to be had.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Hi All,
There's a 685 for sale, with details at:
http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272
A few points though.
Firstly, it isn't a "1975" example, having been Certificated as N9205N
on 01Nov72.
Secondly, the Serial Number isn't "11272" (a 690A!), but is 12014.
Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been
cancelled from the FAA Register.
Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be
presented as YV2448, not "YV-2448".
Seems as though the price it's available for sale at is US$60,000.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Wow, the fuel cell have been removed (open panels on top of the wing). Th
at alone would cost about 20K!!! I think I'll pass. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 1:19 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Hi All,
There=99s a 685 for sale, with details at:
http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272
A few points though.
Firstly, it isn=99t a =9C1975=9D example, having been Ce
rtificated as N9205N on 01Nov72.
Secondly, the Serial Number isn=99t =9C11272=9D (a 690A!
), but is 12014.
Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been cancelled
from the FAA Register.
Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be pres
ented as YV2448, not =9CYV-2448=9D.
Seems as though the price it=99s available for sale at is US$60,000.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
Did you notice it is also missing an engine, two props, all those
inspection plates, fuel cells, and tail feathers?
Also notice it is in Venezuela. No US Citizen would be able to go
there? What about shipping the needed parts to get it out again?
:)
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Nov 27, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Jack B. Mills wrote:
> Thanks Barry, nice to know that there are still some bargains to be
had.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680Fp
>
>
> From: Barry Collman
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
>
> Hi All,
>
> There=92s a 685 for sale, with details at:
>
> http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272
>
> A few points though.
> Firstly, it isn=92t a =931975=94 example, having been Certificated as
N9205N on 01Nov72.
> Secondly, the Serial Number isn=92t =9311272=94 (a 690A!), but is
12014.
> Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been
cancelled from the FAA Register.
> Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be
presented as YV2448, not =93YV-2448=94.
>
> Seems as though the price it=92s available for sale at is US$60,000.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
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| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
Tylor,
Reliable sources have informed me that all of the referenced parts are
locked safely inside the plane, and are included in the purchase price.
Kindly foreword your cash, check, or money order to the seller.
Moe
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Did you notice it is also missing an engine, two props, all those
inspection plates, fuel cells, and tail feathers?
Also notice it is in Venezuela. No US Citizen would be able to go
there? What about shipping the needed parts to get it out again?
:)
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Nov 27, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Jack B. Mills wrote:
Thanks Barry, nice to know that there are still some bargains to be
had.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Hi All,
There=92s a 685 for sale, with details at:
http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272
A few points though.
Firstly, it isn=92t a =931975=94 example, having been Certificated as
N9205N on 01Nov72.
Secondly, the Serial Number isn=92t =9311272=94 (a 690A!), but is
12014.
Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been
cancelled from the FAA Register.
Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be
presented as YV2448, not =93YV-2448=94.
Seems as though the price it=92s available for sale at is US$60,000.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Tylor. You can send the check or money order to me and I will take care
of it:-) jb
Kindly foreword your cash, check, or money order to
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack B. Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Tylor,
Reliable sources have informed me that all of the referenced parts are loc
ked safely inside the plane, and are included in the purchase price. Kind
ly foreword your cash, check, or money order to the seller.
Moe
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Did you notice it is also missing an engine, two props, all those inspecti
on plates, fuel cells, and tail feathers?
Also notice it is in Venezuela. No US Citizen would be able to go there?
What about shipping the needed parts to get it out again?
:)
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Nov 27, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Jack B. Mills wrote:
Thanks Barry, nice to know that there are still some bargains to be had.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
Hi All,
There=99s a 685 for sale, with details at:
http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272
A few points though.
Firstly, it isn=99t a =9C1975=9D example, having been Ce
rtificated as N9205N on 01Nov72.
Secondly, the Serial Number isn=99t =9C11272=9D (a 690A!
), but is 12014.
Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been cancelled
from the FAA Register.
Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be pres
ented as YV2448, not =9CYV-2448=9D.
Seems as though the price it=99s available for sale at is US$60,000.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? Th
ese engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr in
spection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I th
ink they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? These
engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr inspection.
$8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I think they are
OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
>
> Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I've asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to be out
of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings and
vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up your
excellent "hobby", as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, that
are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I've asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to be out
of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (MacbookPro)" <deneals(at)deneals.com> |
On 11/28/10 9:48 AM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" wrote:
> Hi Barry,
> I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings a
nd
> vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up y
our
> excellent =B3hobby=B2, as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, tha
t are
> appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Ditto!
--
>
> http://deneals.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
I am so sorry Barry. I will send you some pix of N6000N as she looked aft
er I removed the engines. I so look forward to reading your posts. I am
going to check out a 520 Commander in Hillsboro again. I looked at her
a few years ago and passed on buying her. Since then I have acquired a
pair of great propellers that would put her back into service. I will ta
ke some pix of her if I can run her down again. Now that my phone takes
pix, it should be easy. PLEASE keep up the wonderful work. You are the
world expert on Commanders! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:48 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings
and vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep
up your excellent =9Chobby=9D, as I am sure there many more
out there, beside me, that are appreciative (and impressed) with your har
d work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I=99ve asked for sightings of Commanders that seem
to be out of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 year
s.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? Th
ese engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr in
spection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I th
ink they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I'm sitting, it most certainly
doesn't seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there's no reply. That's zilch, zero, rien,
nichts, nada - whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I've asked that if anybody sees a Commander,
please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, "what's the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to identify
Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of the World.
Little point in trying if we haven't got up-to-date shots to compare them
with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings and
vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up your
excellent "hobby", as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, that
are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I've asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to be out
of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kitepilot(at)kitepilot.com" <kitepilot(at)kitepilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
If anyone is interested on this, I still have (heavily involved in aviation)
family in Venezuela.
I don't know neither the plane nor the seller, but I landed in that airport
while lost in my second solo flight in 1984. :)
ET
cybersuperstore writes:
> Eish. That looks like it requires a serious investment. It seems more like a
> deal to take it away at no cost to clean up the airport.
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
> Collman
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 685 for sale.
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> There's a 685 for sale, with details at:
>
>
>
> http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out
> <http://clasificados.volarenvenezuela.com/index.php?page=out&id=272> &id=272
>
>
>
> A few points though.
>
> Firstly, it isn't a "1975" example, having been Certificated as N9205N on
> 01Nov72.
>
> Secondly, the Serial Number isn't "11272" (a 690A!), but is 12014.
>
> Thirdly, It was exported to Venezuela in May76, but has not been cancelled
> from the FAA Register.
>
> Lastly, the present Registration mark in Venezuela should strictly be
> presented as YV2448, not "YV-2448".
>
>
>
> Seems as though the price it's available for sale at is US$60,000.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
Great job Barry ! I didn`t know you were collecting photo`s of commanders
.What is your postal address . I`ll send you a picture of N-6418-Q a 680
commander based in Murfreesboro , Tn .I bought it in Sept. 2005 . It is a
fine
airplane . I`m trying to find a good painter , if you have any suggestion
s
let me know . I have put a new interior in and now need to paint the
exterior .The engines have about 425 hours and runs great . Thanks Gil Wa
lker
In a message dated 11/28/2010 10:10:05 A.M. Central America Standard,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I=99m sitting, it most
certainly
doesn=99t seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there=99s no reply. That=99s
zilch, zero,
rien, nichts, nada =93 whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I=99ve asked that if anybody sees a Comm
ander,
please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, =9Cwhat=99s the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to identif
y
Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of the World
.
Little point in trying if we haven=99t got up-to-date shots to comp
are them
with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Det
tmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings
and vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep
up
your excellent =9Chobby=9D, as I am sure there many more out
there, beside me,
that are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very
much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
_www.dettmerarchitecture.com_ (http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/)
____________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Col
lman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I=99ve asked for sightings of Commanders that seem
to be
out of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hal
l
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5
years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, _yourtcfg(at)aol.com_ (mailto:yourtcfg(at)aol.com)
wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history.
I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
_www.buildersbooks.com_ (http://www.buildersbooks.com/)
_http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List_
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List)
_http://forums.matronics.com_ (http://forums.matronics.com/)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | budplaster(at)aol.com |
Barry,
Positive Influences and their force upon others is never revealed totally
and are accurately unknown as to how much good they are sharing . Of cour
se, I can only speak for myself when I tell you I became a commander owner
partly because of information I obtained from you (1994). Without that in
formation I may still be an owner of one of the lesser machines. I have no
w owned three commanders and still have the 1957 560E I purchased in 1994.
I attended the 2004 Fly-In, Kansas City, to meet you, show my commander
and tell you how grateful I was for your contributions in helping me obta
in my airplane. Even though our contact may not be on a daily basis, knowi
ng you are "there" is a tremendous source of information unequaled.
Buddy A. Plaster, Ph.D.
Apple Valley, Ca.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:23 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I=99ve asked for sightings of Commanders that seem
to be out of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 year
s.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? Th
ese engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr in
spection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I th
ink they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
Berry,
N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. There are photos
of the interior on his web site.
http://www.barronthomas.com/
It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at the French Valley
Airport, CA.
The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed.
http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0
You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos.
JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo?
More photos later.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
Berry,
I was in CA last week with Moe. We tried to move his 680FP back to NM
but weather stopped us.
I had to fly back on SWA.
I did stop in at 4 different airports.
I will post a gallery on line so you can see and down load them.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Barry Collman wrote:
> Hi Randy,
>
> Well, that may be the case, but from where I=92m sitting, it most
certainly doesn=92t seem to be.
> Quite often I ask questions and there=92s no reply. That=92s zilch,
zero, rien, nichts, nada ' whatever language is used.
>
> On more than one occasion, I=92ve asked that if anybody sees a
Commander, please photograph it and send it to me.
> Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
> So, as I said, =93what=92s the point?
>
> Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to
identify Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of
the World.
> Little point in trying if we haven=92t got up-to-date shots to compare
them with.
>
> Regards,
> Barry
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
> Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
>
> Hi Barry,
> I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your
postings and vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there.
Please keep up your excellent =93hobby=94, as I am sure there many more
out there, beside me, that are appreciative (and impressed) with your
hard work. Thanks very much.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
>
> Hello All,
>
> Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
> I feel sure that I=92ve asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to
be out of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
>
> Barry
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
> Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
>
> JB,
> NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
> I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5
years.
> The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the
tanks.
> I have a bunch of photos.
> Tylor
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a
100hr inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a
history. I think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
>
> Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
>
>
>
>
>
>
> www.buildersbooks.com
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
Barry the very backbone of the group. No doubt.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings and
vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up your
excellent "hobby", as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, that
are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I've asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to be out
of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
BARRY...........You should have the pix of N6000N, if not, let me know and
I will forward them again. Sue will send a pix of each of the 5 Commande
rs I took to the A&P school last year. They are in the slide show we show
each year at dinner, but I don't think I sent them to you, sorry.
N6000N last flew about 12-2009 and was removed from service on Oct 12-2010
. The remains of the airframe and paperwork were transferred to Northeast
Air (A Twin Commander service center) in Portland Maine. Don't know why
they wanted her????
There is a straight 680 rotting in Nampa Idaho (N985RA I think). It has
been grounded by the FAA and will likely never fly again. I shouldl be
there next week on a delivery and snap some pix and send them. XOXOXO
Love, jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 8:29 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Berry,
I was in CA last week with Moe. We tried to move his 680FP back to NM but
weather stopped us.
I had to fly back on SWA.
I did stop in at 4 different airports.
I will post a gallery on line so you can see and down load them.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Barry Collman wrote:
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I=99m sitting, it most ce
rtainly doesn=99t seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there=99s no reply. That=99s
zilch, zero, rien, nichts, nada =93 whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I=99ve asked that if anybody sees a Comma
nder, please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, =9Cwhat=99s the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to identify
Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of the World.
Little point in trying if we haven=99t got up-to-date shots to compa
re them with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings
and vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep
up your excellent =9Chobby=9D, as I am sure there many more
out there, beside me, that are appreciative (and impressed) with your har
d work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I=99ve asked for sightings of Commanders that seem
to be out of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 year
s.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? Th
ese engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr in
spection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I th
ink they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
Barry, I agree with Randy, please keep up the good work as we would be lost
with out you and your knowledge.
Jim Addington
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings and
vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up your
excellent "hobby", as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, that
are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I've asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to be out
of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.homebuilthelp.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
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| From: | White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
Jim,
What plane did they come off of?
Craig
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? Th
ese engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr insp
ection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I think t
hey are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
>
> Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
They were removed from a 560E, N6000N. The engines were in regular use un
til Dec of 09. I ground ran them in Oct and they ran great. I have done
a 100 hr insp on them. Call me at 360-903-6901
-----Original Message-----
From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Jim,
What plane did they come off of?
Craig
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? Th
ese engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr in
spection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I th
ink they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
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Folks,
I just started an Aero Commander Facebook page and started uploading some of
the photos and images that I received over the years. Check back regularly
as I'll be uploading more stuff.
Please visit and let me know what you think. Most of the pics do not have
captions, but there I need to rely on others to help fill in the blanks.
There is another Aero Commander Page (identical name) but there's nothing on
it.
We'll get more intuitive as we go along...
This is the URL:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Thanks
Nico van Niekerk
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| From: | BertBerry1(at)aol.com |
Has anyone ever run across this one in the Phoenix Arizona area???
_http://www.flickr.com/photos/debbie_hahn/433826434/_
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/debbie_hahn/433826434/)
In a message dated 11/29/2010 1:13:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
Folks,
I just started an Aero Commander Facebook page and started uploading some
of the photos and images that I received over the years. Check back
regularly as I'll be uploading more stuff.
Please visit and let me know what you think. Most of the pics do not have
captions, but there I need to rely on others to help fill in the blanks.
There is another Aero Commander Page (identical name) but there's nothing
on it.
We'll get more intuitive as we go along...
This is the URL:
_http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884_ (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884)
Thanks
Nico van Niekerk
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/)
(http://www.buildersbooks.com/)
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List)
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| Subject: | Re: GO-480s FOR SALE |
| From: | Bertberry1 <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
Or this one? Don't know where this was taken.
http://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5264&hilit=
aero+commander&start=40
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
They were removed from a 560E, N6000N. The engines were in regular use unt
il Dec of 09. I ground ran them in Oct and they ran great. I have done a
100 hr insp on them. Call me at 360-903-6901
-----Original Message-----
From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Jim,
What plane did they come off of?
Craig
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 27, 2010, at 10:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH????? The
se engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr insp
ection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I think
they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
It breaks one's heart to think that someone walked away from it without
trying to find some use for it.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Website
Has anyone ever run across this one in the Phoenix Arizona area???
http://www.flickr.com/photos/debbie_hahn/433826434/
In a message dated 11/29/2010 1:13:52 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
Folks,
I just started an Aero Commander Facebook page and started uploading some of
the photos and images that I received over the years. Check back regularly
as I'll be uploading more stuff.
Please visit and let me know what you think. Most of the pics do not have
captions, but there I need to rely on others to help fill in the blanks.
There is another Aero Commander Page (identical name) but there's nothing on
it.
We'll get more intuitive as we go along...
This is the URL:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Thanks
Nico van Niekerk
tp://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com
/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com
p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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| From: | "David Fitzgerald" <DavidFitzgerald(at)bigpond.com> |
There is also this one I created some time ago
http://www.facebook.com/?sk=2361831622#!/group.php?gid=38090073191
Dr David Fitzgerald
BMedSci(Hons) MBBS(Hons) DipAvMed(Otago) ACCAM(Monash) MHeathSci(OccMed)
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Website
Folks,
I just started an Aero Commander Facebook page and started uploading some of
the photos and images that I received over the years. Check back regularly
as I'll be uploading more stuff.
Please visit and let me know what you think. Most of the pics do not have
captions, but there I need to rely on others to help fill in the blanks.
There is another Aero Commander Page (identical name) but there's nothing on
it.
We'll get more intuitive as we go along...
This is the URL:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Thanks
Nico van Niekerk
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| Subject: | Re: Commander 685 for sale. |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hello All,
Just in case someone is REALLY CURIOUS ... on remarks you'll see:
"El avion se encuentra en face de overhaul total, tanto helice como motores, como
estructura."
"The plane is in the process of been overhauled, props as well as engines, and
structure."
Venezuela is filled (Barry would know how many) with Turbo Commanders and few pistons
as well. Twin Commander has a dealership just a few miles up the road (SVCS)
which has been recognized for its excellent business in a recent Commander
Newsletter...
http://www.aerocentro.com/index_1024.html
Don't pay too much attention to the media frenzy about Venezuela, as a US citizen
you can go there without a Visa (unlike Brazil for example). I was there on
business on April of last year, great country to fly: cheap avgas!
The only issue is the 685 which as we all know is really under powered as far as
piston Commanders.
May be one day when reliable 400 HP engines come out there it will be again a hot
item...
Meanwhile, you can toss the dice for 60K! & bring some extra goodies to make the
trip worth...
Nos vemos!
Peter
PS. have been gone to Panama, I thought I was going to post some pictures from
the FLY IN... may be this next week end!
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=321679#321679
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
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| Subject: | Commander photographic material |
Hi Gil & All,
I do indeed collect photos of Commanders!
My collection of prints, negatives and slides numbers just over 9,300.
All of the negatives have been scanned (approx. 2,300) and I=99m
in the process of scanning the color slides (approx. 2,200 scanned;
approx. 900 still to do).
Additionally, I have approx. 17,000 digital images, not including those
already mentioned.
Bert Berry also has a vast collection, which comprises over 10,000.
Included in our coverage are a number of unidentified Commanders that we
are unable to identify from shots that we have in our collections.
These include a good number of Commanders that have probably been
confiscated South of the Texas border and the aircraft s/n plates have,
in most cases, probably been removed.
The photographer was there unable to check the s/n, or was perhaps not
allowed to inspect the plate, if indeed it was a genuine factory
example.
Some shots enable us to at least identify the correct Model, thereby
narrowing down the list of possible candidates.
They also enable us to possibly note any modifications that have been
made over the years, thereby providing yet further clues.
Therefore, any shots received will always be extremely useful to us.
Even shots of active examples in the USA help, as they will at least
enable us to eliminate them as a =98suspect=99.
So, if anybody has any shots, albeit active, derelict, or whatever, then
*please* send them in.
They date and location are helpful items of info too, if known.
So, if you=99re visiting any new airports, taking a camera with
you in case any Commanders are around will be a good idea!
I cannot recommend a good paint shop, but I know there are guys on the
chatlist who can help.
Any shots of your 680, whether it=99s as N6220D, N96KY, N710TK or
N6819Q, will be very welcome as a quick check reveals that I=99ve
got no shots whatsoever of s/n 680-448-159!
My postal address is:
179 Penn Road
Hazlemere
HIGH WYCOMBE
Buckinghamshire
HP15 7NE
England
Thanks Gil!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: 28 November 2010 16:34
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Great job Barry ! I didn`t know you were collecting photo`s of
commanders .What is your postal address . I`ll send you a picture of
N-6418-Q a 680 commander based in Murfreesboro , Tn .I bought it in
Sept. 2005 . It is a fine airplane . I`m trying to find a good painter ,
if you have any suggestions let me know . I have put a new interior in
and now need to paint the exterior .The engines have about 425 hours and
runs great . Thanks Gil Walker
In a message dated 11/28/2010 10:10:05 A.M. Central America Standard,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I=99m sitting, it most
certainly doesn=99t seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there=99s no reply. That=99s
zilch, zero, rien, nichts, nada =93 whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I=99ve asked that if anybody sees a
Commander, please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, =9Cwhat=99s the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to
identify Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of
the World.
Little point in trying if we haven=99t got up-to-date shots to
compare them with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings
and vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep
up your excellent =9Chobby=9D, as I am sure there many more
out there, beside me, that are appreciative (and impressed) with your
hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
Tylor,
Bert and I will be interested in any photos.
Why not submit them to Nico for either the Aero Commander website or the
Facebook page he's just created?
So long as we can download good-sized .jpg images, it should work just fine.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 16:30
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Berry,
I was in CA last week with Moe. We tried to move his 680FP back to NM but
weather stopped us.
I had to fly back on SWA.
I did stop in at 4 different airports.
I will post a gallery on line so you can see and down load them.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Barry Collman wrote:
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I'm sitting, it most certainly
doesn't seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there's no reply. That's zilch, zero, rien,
nichts, nada - whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I've asked that if anybody sees a Commander,
please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, "what's the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to identify
Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of the World.
Little point in trying if we haven't got up-to-date shots to compare them
with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings and
vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up your
excellent "hobby", as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, that
are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I've asked for sightings of Commanders that seem to be out
of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5 years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a 100hr
inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a history. I
think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.buildersbooks.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GO-480s FOR SALE |
JimBob,
No images have been received of N6000N.
I do have a B&W image of it when it was with DEC Aviation Corp., way
back in 1962/3.
If Sue can forward them again, plus any of the 5 you ferried to the A&P
school, I=99ll be most grateful and I can then forward them to
Bert.
Which one of those was involved in the =9Cdeer-strike=9D ?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 28 November 2010 17:58
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
BARRY...........You should have the pix of N6000N, if not, let me know
and I will forward them again. Sue will send a pix of each of the 5
Commanders I took to the A&P school last year. They are in the slide
show we show each year at dinner, but I don't think I sent them to you,
sorry.
N6000N last flew about 12-2009 and was removed from service on Oct
12-2010. The remains of the airframe and paperwork were transferred to
Northeast Air (A Twin Commander service center) in Portland Maine.
Don't know why they wanted her????
There is a straight 680 rotting in Nampa Idaho (N985RA I think). It has
been grounded by the FAA and will likely never fly again. I shouldl be
there next week on a delivery and snap some pix and send them. XOXOXO
Love, jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 28, 2010 8:29 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Berry,
I was in CA last week with Moe. We tried to move his 680FP back to NM
but weather stopped us.
I had to fly back on SWA.
I did stop in at 4 different airports.
I will post a gallery on line so you can see and down load them.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 28, 2010, at 9:06 AM, Barry Collman wrote:
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I=99m sitting, it most
certainly doesn=99t seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there=99s no reply. That=99s
zilch, zero, rien, nichts, nada =93 whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I=99ve asked that if anybody sees a
Commander, please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, =9Cwhat=99s the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to
identify Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of
the World.
Little point in trying if we haven=99t got up-to-date shots to
compare them with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings
and vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep
up your excellent =9Chobby=9D, as I am sure there many more
out there, beside me, that are appreciative (and impressed) with your
hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:24 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hello All,
Sometimes, I really do wonder why I bother with my hobby.
I feel sure that I=99ve asked for sightings of Commanders that
seem to be out of use, and photographs, but nobody seems to care.
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:02
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
JB,
NO, I have not found a phone number to contact him.
I looked at 8468C that is sitting at French Valley, Ca for the last 5
years.
The oil has drained into the engine since there is no oil in the tanks.
I have a bunch of photos.
Tylor
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11:09 PM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
HI KIDS.I have a pair of GO-480 G1B6s for sale. Logs say 750SMOH?????
These engines were removed from 560E N6000N and I have given them a
100hr inspection. $8000 for the pair. Call me, they have, well, a
history. I think they are OK engines. I flew them about 40hrs. jb
Tylor.Were you able to reach Jerry Kent?? Did you buy the GSO-480s???
www.buildersbooks.com <http://www.buildersbooks.com/>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Thompson" <richard(at)flycorp.com.au> |
| Subject: | Commander photographic material |
Barry,
If one gets close enough to the airframe, have a look at the serial number
tags on the major components, flaps, elevator, rudder and engine trusses.
The serial number of the aircraft is part of the part serial number. This is
how we indentified CAX for the issue of a new data plate.
Cheers
Richard
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photographic material
Hi Gil & All,
I do indeed collect photos of Commanders!
My collection of prints, negatives and slides numbers just over 9,300.
All of the negatives have been scanned (approx. 2,300) and I'm in the
process of scanning the color slides (approx. 2,200 scanned; approx. 900
still to do).
Additionally, I have approx. 17,000 digital images, not including those
already mentioned.
Bert Berry also has a vast collection, which comprises over 10,000.
Included in our coverage are a number of unidentified Commanders that we are
unable to identify from shots that we have in our collections.
These include a good number of Commanders that have probably been
confiscated South of the Texas border and the aircraft s/n plates have, in
most cases, probably been removed.
The photographer was there unable to check the s/n, or was perhaps not
allowed to inspect the plate, if indeed it was a genuine factory example.
Some shots enable us to at least identify the correct Model, thereby
narrowing down the list of possible candidates.
They also enable us to possibly note any modifications that have been made
over the years, thereby providing yet further clues.
Therefore, any shots received will always be extremely useful to us.
Even shots of active examples in the USA help, as they will at least enable
us to eliminate them as a 'suspect'.
So, if anybody has any shots, albeit active, derelict, or whatever, then
*please* send them in.
They date and location are helpful items of info too, if known.
So, if you're visiting any new airports, taking a camera with you in case
any Commanders are around will be a good idea!
I cannot recommend a good paint shop, but I know there are guys on the
chatlist who can help.
Any shots of your 680, whether it's as N6220D, N96KY, N710TK or N6819Q, will
be very welcome as a quick check reveals that I've got no shots whatsoever
of s/n 680-448-159!
My postal address is:
179 Penn Road
Hazlemere
HIGH WYCOMBE
Buckinghamshire
HP15 7NE
England
Thanks Gil!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: 28 November 2010 16:34
Subject: Re: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Great job Barry ! I didn`t know you were collecting photo`s of commanders
.What is your postal address . I`ll send you a picture of N-6418-Q a 680
commander based in Murfreesboro , Tn .I bought it in Sept. 2005 . It is a
fine airplane . I`m trying to find a good painter , if you have any
suggestions let me know . I have put a new interior in and now need to paint
the exterior .The engines have about 425 hours and runs great . Thanks Gil
Walker
In a message dated 11/28/2010 10:10:05 A.M. Central America Standard,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Randy,
Well, that may be the case, but from where I'm sitting, it most certainly
doesn't seem to be.
Quite often I ask questions and there's no reply. That's zilch, zero, rien,
nichts, nada - whatever language is used.
On more than one occasion, I've asked that if anybody sees a Commander,
please photograph it and send it to me.
Probably had less than 10 in all these years.
So, as I said, "what's the point?
Bert Berry and myself spend countless hundreds of hours trying to identify
Commanders from photographs that we garner from all corners of the World.
Little point in trying if we haven't got up-to-date shots to compare them
with.
Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Dettmer, AIA
Sent: 28 November 2010 15:49
Subject: RE: Commander-List: GO-480s FOR SALE
Hi Barry,
I am pretty quiet on the chat list. However, always enjoy your postings and
vast knowledge about the fleet of Commanders out there. Please keep up your
excellent "hobby", as I am sure there many more out there, beside me, that
are appreciative (and impressed) with your hard work. Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Barry,
I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
all who are reading will follow how's that?
First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
(YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
(YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
#1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
and everyone else's Commander stories,
Peter
PS. I am working on your other request as well.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
| From: | Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
Thank You Peter so much. Anything at all that you can send us would be so
Appreciated.
Bert
On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking for MORE
Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this group... but HEY it's
not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow
how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211 (YV-T-ABE)
I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If you two want
those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S #1817-23 N590DR
taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 March 2010.
I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was not embarking
on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in there... So I parked
the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture from the roof of
my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just landed
(you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours and everyone
else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
> <500A-B'62 N37CK VI22'10.jpg>
>
>
> <500S'68 N590DR VI22'10.jpg>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
these were taken after I sold it.
________________________________
From: Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>
; bertberrry(at)aol.com
Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 5:18:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Barry,
I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking for MORE
Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this group... but HEY it's
not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow
how's that?
First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211 (YV-T-ABE)
I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If you two want
those again, let me know.
Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S #1817-23
N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 March 2010.
I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was not
embarking on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in there... So I
parked the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture from the
roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just landed
(you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours and
everyone else's Commander stories,
Peter
PS. I am working on your other request as well.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
This is my old commander taken the last year that I owned it.-- I have
another =0Apic. after it was sold=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0AFrom: Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>=0ATo: commander-lis
t(at)matronics.com; Barry Collman =0A; bertbe
rrry(at)aol.com=0ASent: Wed, December 1, 2010 5:18:33 PM=0ASubject: Commander-
List: Commander photos=0A=0AHi Barry,=0A=0AI must admit it wasn't very clea
r to me either that you were looking for MORE =0ACommander pictures; grante
d I'm relatively "new" to this group... but HEY it's =0Anot too late. So I'
ll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow =0Ahow's that
?=0A=0AFirst I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
(YV-T-ABE) =0AI'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P)
. If you two want =0Athose again, let me know.=0A=0AHere are two pictures o
f 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S #1817-23 =0AN590DR taken both at
St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 March 2010. =0AI tried to
get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was not =0Aembarking
on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in there... So I =0Aparke
d the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture from the =0A
roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)=0A
=0ADoesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just l
anded =0A(you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).=0A=0ALet
me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours and =0A
everyone else's Commander stories,=0A=0APeter=0A=0APS. I am working on your
other request as well.=0A=0A=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
| From: | Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)gmail.com> |
Peter: On examination of the pictures of N37CK, it was produced as a 500A,
but was converted to a 500B, which is Lycoming IO540B1A5 powered. Just some
useless information. Do you jhave the pictures posted of the fly-in &
Evergreen museum? I lost my camera with them, before I could download them.
Best regards, Morris kernick
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking for
> MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this group... but
> HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are
> reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If
> you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S #1817-23
> N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 March
> 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was
> not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in there...
> So I parked the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture
> from the roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking
> WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours and
> everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hello "sr14572",
More thanks!
These were 'obviously' now taken after many more mods (all recorded) were
installed by the Aircenter Inc.
Now a "Shrike-Alike" 500B!!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Sent: 02 December 2010 01:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
these were taken after I sold it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Morris,
N37CK was converted from a 500A to a 500B on July 13th 1964 and, to be a bit
nit-picky, the engines were IO-540-E1A5.
And in CommanderLand, no information is "useless information" ;-)
Not visible in Peter's shot, but it has also had a forward cabin door
installed.
Another mod. Is the Miller nose, but that's fairly obvious!!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Morris
Kernick
Sent: 02 December 2010 07:39
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Peter: On examination of the pictures of N37CK, it was produced as a 500A,
but was converted to a 500B, which is Lycoming IO540B1A5 powered. Just some
useless information.
Do you have the pictures posted of the fly-in & Evergreen museum? I lost my
camera with them, before I could download them. Best regards, Morris
kernick
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Attention of: Bert Berry |
Hi Bert,
Not sure if you're getting the chatlist emails, but my last two email to
your own address have not been delivered.
The message back says:
"The following message to was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 : Recipient
address rejected: aol.com'
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: 02 December 2010 12:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hello "sr14572",
More thanks!
These were 'obviously' now taken after many more mods (all recorded) were
installed by the Aircenter Inc.
Now a "Shrike-Alike" 500B!!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
sr14572(at)yahoo.com
Sent: 02 December 2010 01:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
these were taken after I sold it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
yes. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Barry Collman
=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0ASent
: Thu, December 2, 2010 7:48:03 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander
photos=0A=0A=0AHello =9Csr14572=9D,=0A=C2-=0AMore thanks!=0A
These were =98obviously=99 now taken after many more mods (all
recorded) were =0Ainstalled by the Aircenter Inc.=0ANow a =9CShrike-A
like=9D 500B!!=0A=C2-=0ABest Regards,=0ABarry=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner
-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-commander-list-server
(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0Asr14572(at)yahoo.com=0ASent: 02 December 2010
01:16=0ATo: commander-list(at)matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry(at)aol.com
=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos=0A=C2-=0Athese were take
================== =0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Attention of: Bert Berry |
| From: | Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
Thanks Barry,
I'm getting them now. Must have been a late night glitch.
Bert
On Dec 2, 2010, at 6:58 AM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
> wrote:
> Hi Bert,
>
>
>
> Not sure if you=99re getting the chatlist emails, but my last two em
ail to your own address have not been delivered.
>
> The message back says:
>
> =9CThe following message to was undeliverable.
>
> The reason for the problem:
>
> 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 : Recipient a
ddress rejected: aol.com'
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
> Sent: 02 December 2010 12:48
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
>
>
>
> Hello =9Csr14572=9D,
>
>
>
> More thanks!
>
> These were =98obviously=99 now taken after many more mods (all
recorded) were installed by the Aircenter Inc.
>
> Now a =9CShrike-Alike=9D 500B!!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of sr14572(at)yahoo.com
> Sent: 02 December 2010 01:16
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
>
>
>
> these were taken after I sold it.
>
>
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.buildersbooks.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| From: | Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com> |
This is a pretty good read. I hope it is accurate.
Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B
From: jpurner(at)100dollarhamburger.com
Subject: RE: B52
Date: Thu=2C 2 Dec 2010 12:08:16 -0500
Glad too. Heck I=92m flattered you asked!!!!
B-52 and You!
The B-52 is the most enduring example of an actively flying war machine. It
came online in 1952 and has played a major role in every war or skirmish U
ncle Sam has been involved in since it first taxied down the flight line. S
ome serial numbers are today being crewed by the great-grandchildren of the
men who first flew them. Oddly=2C these old birds are today among the most
advanced weapon systems in the skies. The airframe has undergone only slig
ht modification since 1952 - beefed up spars and advanced wing tips mostly.
The propulsion systems have been upgraded several times to increase speed
and range. The avionics and instrumentation bear no resemblance at all to t
he =91when new=92 panel. All of the weapons systems=2C both offensive ad de
fensive have been upgraded many=2C many times. What remains constant is the
B-52=92s airframe=3B it really hasn=92t changed much at all.
The result for Uncle Sam has been a huge cost savings. Rather than phasing
in a new bomber every few years and sending the old one to the aluminum shr
edder=2C the B-52 has simply been upgraded=2C modified and improved by addi
ng new propulsion=2C avionics and weapon systems. The savings from this app
roach have been enormous and come at no loss of air superiority. The B-52 i
s a state of the art weapon today just as it was in 1952.
Amazing!
The story of the B-52 relates directly to the buyers market we are seeing i
n general aviation in the current economy. Airplanes are merely huge basket
s of parts glued together to make a machine that flies. Each part plays a u
nique role in one of the aircraft=92s three major elements: the airframe=2C
the propulsion system and the avionics/instrumentation panel. They are equ
ally important but not equally costly. The most expensive of the three is t
he airframe. It is also the most static. High engineering and development c
osts are offset by long production runs. When you have a winning airframe y
ou stay with it and put your R&D money into powerplants=2C avionics and ins
trumentation.
The top selling aircraft that roll out of the Beechcraft=2C Cessna and Pipe
r factories today were first offered for sale more than fifty years ago. Th
e reason is simple. It is hard=2C sometimes impossible to improve on a near
perfect airframe. Just as the B-58 =91Hustler=92 failed to replace the B-5
2 =91BUFF=92 nothing has come along to replace the venerable Cessna 172. It
is a near perfect design for a four place trainer that also serves as a gr
eat short range cross country aircraft. The powerplant has been upgraded as
has the panel and the creature comforts of the cabin but the airframe is b
asically the same one that first climbed into the air in 1958. If you need
a little more speed and no more than four seats=2C think 182. The Bonanza h
as long been the first choice for those needing six seats=2C good speed and
acceptable range. What about a Cherokee 6 or Saratoga or Mooney? They are
all great airframes that have each reached their design peak. My point is t
hat the really great airframe solutions designed for YOUR mission have been
around for a long time and nothing is likely to appear soon to replace the
m. So buy one with confidence but=85=85=85=85=85.
Used is a MUCH better deal than new. If you currently own a Cessna 172 it m
akes perfect sense to invest in upgrading its engine=2C avionics and instru
mentation. On the other hand=2C it would be an odd use of money to buy a ne
w 172 as a replacement for the one you currently own. That is why Cessna is
able to sell only a handful of brand new ones each month. There is no diff
erence in the airframe of today and those of yesterday=3B even many=2C many
yesterdays. The same is true of the Bonanza. The A-36 airframe is identica
l to that of the current production G-36. What is different is a fresh coat
of paint=2C a new interior and a glass panel. That=92s it! The airframe is
identical!!!! The same is true in the Piper world. A great example is the
Saratoga. Why buy a new one? Makes no sense!
If you are thinking of changing out your airframe for something bigger or f
aster=2C the problem you=92ll face is selling your old bird. Today is just
not a great time to be a seller. By the time your airplane is salable once
again the prices of what you=92d like to own will also have gone up. It=92s
the rising tide problem. All boats get lifted=2C so you remain in the same
relative position=2C at least on a percentage basis. On a dollar basis you
lose=2C as 20% of a bigger number is a much bigger number. When the 172 yo
u want to sell gains $10=2C000 in value=2C the Bonanza you want to buy will
climb by $30=2C000. Waiting to upgrade causes your dream to drift further
and further away.
What I am about to write will seem strange (very strange=2C actually) but t
hink about it a while before you send me a =93John=2C you=92re as dumb as a
rock=94 email.
This is the best time to become a TWO aircraft owner. If you currently own
a Cessna 172 (for instance) and need a faster cross country machine=2C keep
your 172 and buy a used Baron B55 (for instance).
You=92ll make money twice. A few years from today the price you get for tha
t 172 will really make you smile but not nearly as widely as you will when
you get around to pricing Barons a few years from now.
Try to buy your dream machine with a nearly run out engine and later replac
e or overhaul it when the FAA finally decides the fuel issue. You=92ll want
to change to a power plant that burns whatever the world will then be sell
ing. Keep things glued together until you know. DO NOT upgrade the panel an
d DO NOT look for a ship with an updated panel. You=92ll have to throw it a
ll away very soon.
The world of avionics is about to change as the FAA brings ADS-B online. Wi
th it comes a REQUIREMENT for at least a transponder capable of transmittin
g your aircraft=92s information to the FAA=92s NextGEN equipment. The new s
ystem promises to replace radar and ILS. Your new transponder will constan
tly transmit your aircraft=92s information package including altitude and p
osition. To do that=2C it must talk to your ship=92s GPS. The ADS-B system
will return to you the location of nearby aircraft and weather information
for graphic and textual display. Hence=2C you will also need an ADS-B recei
ver and a multifunction display capable of using the data it gathers. What
would be heartbreaking would be to invest in currently acceptable boxes onl
y to have to pull them in a short time and throw them away. WAIT on the pan
el upgrade.
Short version:
You will be able to sell your current airplane in a couple of years for twi
ce what you will get today=3B conversely you can buy an airplane today for
half what it will cost in a couple of years. You can put your stack of chip
s into the stock market or real estate and watch it dwindle or you can buy
a popular aircraft and watch its value grow.
There is no doubt that the demand for GA aircraft will increase as more and
more business people make the switch from the strip search=2C pat down lin
e to the pleasure of personal air travel. You can take that to the bank.
What if you don=92t own an aircraft today? Buy one! Whatever you can afford
and plan to do what the Air Force has done with the B-52. Keep it forever
and upgrade its power plant and panel when necessary as your budget allows.
Even a Cessna 150 can be a great travel solution for trips of less than 30
0 miles. I bought one of those in 1990 for $7=2C500. Today the same plane g
oes for twice that in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depressio
n. You can=92t lose money investing in an airplane=2C especially if you tim
e your purchase and plan on keeping it for the long haul.
To quote Warren Buffett=2C =93Buy when others are scared and sell when they
=92re greedy.=94
Now is the time buy an airplane!!!!!
The best deals are on twins and fire breathing=2C fuel gobbling high perfor
mance singles but the sales (not asking) prices of 172=92s=2C 150=92s Chero
kee=92s and V-tailed Bonanza=92s are also amazingly low. Find the ship you
want and make an offer you can afford. You=92ll be very happy with the outc
ome.
Great airframes never die=3B they just get new powerplants=2C paint jobs=2C
interiors=2C avionics and instrumentation.
Fly some place today ' you=92ve earned it!
To comment on this eBurger simply send me an email or go to the bottom of t
his article n the Burger Blog and click on Reply to this Post.
I look forward to reading your thoughts.
John Purner
John Purner
Publisher - www.100dollarhamburger.com
jpurner(at)100dollarhamburger.com
From: Roland Gilliam [mailto:amg3636(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday=2C December 02=2C 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: B52
John=2C
Would you please resend the B52 email to me. I accidently deleted it.
Roland Gilliam
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hey Bert,
I am on to this one, I signed up to the "backcountrypilot.org" list (a
process that took 2 days) and I've dropped a line to the guy who took
the photo... meanwhile I received an answer from a total different guy
about another abandoned Commander in Alaska (I've also asked for a
photo) we'll keep you posted.
Here is his response: Sent: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:12 pm
... I thought I'd mention an Aero Commander that's parked in
Talkeetna, Alaska (PATK). Not sure the registration or model- sorry.
But I've seen it there over the years. The other place I've seen a few
of them is in Canadian fire-fighting operations. In Dryden, Ontario,
specifically (CYHD).
Cheers,
Denalipilot
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bertberry1 wrote:
>
> Or this one? Don't know where this was taken.
>
> http://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5264&hilit=aero+commander&start=40
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: ramp mummies |
Thanks Peter!
On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Peter Bichier wrote
:
> Hey Bert,
>
> I am on to this one, I signed up to the "backcountrypilot.org" list (a pro
cess that took 2 days) and I've dropped a line to the guy who took the photo
... meanwhile I received an answer from a total different guy about another a
bandoned Commander in Alaska (I've also asked for a photo) we'll keep you po
sted.
>
> Here is his response: Sent: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:12 pm
>
> ... I thought I'd mention an Aero Commander that's parked in Talkeetna, Al
aska (PATK). Not sure the registration or model- sorry. But I've seen it the
re over the years. The other place I've seen a few of them is in Canadian fi
re-fighting operations. In Dryden, Ontario, specifically (CYHD).
> Cheers,
> Denalipilot
> On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bertberry1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Or this one? Don't know where this was taken.
>>
>> http://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5264&hilit=
aero+commander&start=40
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
| Subject: | Commander photos |
Bert, Thanks for your Denali 560E, good to know it's still
"certified"... may be it'll be resurrected one of these days!
Barry thanks for the original photos of #211 you sent them to me a
couple of years ago but it's always a pleasure to look at them again.
The funny thing is that one of the owners posing under the back wing
just looks like my Dad!... I guess Commander owners have something in
common in a surreal way...
I am resending my Dad's straight 560 and I'm also putting up a link
with other random photos taken at the time (poor quality since they
are all from prints) but also you should be able to read the comments.
This Christmas I am going to see my Mother and will check more family
albums and boxes to see if I can find a picture of YV-515P. From
Picasa you can all download anything that you want and I'm pretty sure
it's the same quality as my originals; if you have problems let me
know and I'll attach at least an original as well.
Hasta Luego,
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink
On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Barry Collman wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for the two shots.
> Hope you didn't scratch the roof of the rental car ;-)
>
> Could you re-send the shots of your Dad's 560 YV-T-ABE?
> I will then send them on to Bert.
> I don't have any shots of it as YV-515P either, nor of it when later
> N5462Z.
>
> However, I have scanned a B&W negative of it when Regd N2711B, taken
> on
> 28Jan65 at Santa Monica CA., possibly by Jay Sherlock.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Bichier [mailto:pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu]
> Sent: 01 December 2010 22:19
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry(at)aol.com
> Subject: Commander photos
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for
> MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but
> HEY it's not too late.
> So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow
> how's
> that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE).
> I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If you
> two
> want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23
> N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10
> March
> 2010.
> I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was
> not
> embarking on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in
> there... So I
> parked the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture
> from the
> roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir.
> Always a pleasure to hear yours and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
> <00211 - 560-211 - N2711B - B&W - 1.jpg>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hi Tylor,
Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the Cleveland
Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least...
Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the
"Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the story? do
you know any of these people or was this an original for publicity?
I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers?
thanks!
p.
For those who have not seen it:
On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
> Berry,
> N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. There
> are photos of the interior on his web site.
> http://www.barronthomas.com/
>
> It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at the
> French Valley Airport, CA.
> The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed.
>
> http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0
>
> You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos.
> JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo?
>
> More photos later.
> Tylor Hall
> tylorhall(at)mac.com
> First Fueling Systems, Inc.
> 100 Iron Ave. SE
> Albuquerque, NM 87102
> 505-400-8373 Cell
> 505-247-3001
> 505-247-3005 FAX
> www.firstfueling.com
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
Thanks Peter
On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
> Bert, Thanks for your Denali 560E, good to know it's still "certified"... may
be it'll be resurrected one of these days!
> Barry thanks for the original photos of #211 you sent them to me a couple of
years ago but it's always a pleasure to look at them again. The funny thing is
that one of the owners posing under the back wing just looks like my Dad!...
I guess Commander owners have something in common in a surreal way...
>
> I am resending my Dad's straight 560 and I'm also putting up a link with other
random photos taken at the time (poor quality since they are all from prints)
but also you should be able to read the comments.
>
> This Christmas I am going to see my Mother and will check more family albums
and boxes to see if I can find a picture of YV-515P. From Picasa you can all download
anything that you want and I'm pretty sure it's the same quality as my
originals; if you have problems let me know and I'll attach at least an original
as well.
>
> Hasta Luego,
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Barry Collman wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Thanks for the two shots.
>> Hope you didn't scratch the roof of the rental car ;-)
>>
>> Could you re-send the shots of your Dad's 560 YV-T-ABE?
>> I will then send them on to Bert.
>> I don't have any shots of it as YV-515P either, nor of it when later N5462Z.
>>
>> However, I have scanned a B&W negative of it when Regd N2711B, taken on
>> 28Jan65 at Santa Monica CA., possibly by Jay Sherlock.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Bichier [mailto:pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu]
>> Sent: 01 December 2010 22:19
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry(at)aol.com
>> Subject: Commander photos
>>
>> Hi Barry,
>>
>> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking for
>> MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this group... but
>> HEY it's not too late.
>> So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow how's
>> that?
>>
>> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
>> (YV-T-ABE).
>> I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If you two
>> want those again, let me know.
>>
>> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S #1817-23
>> N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 March
>> 2010.
>> I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was not
>> embarking on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in there... So I
>> parked the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture from the
>> roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>>
>> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
>> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>>
>> Let me know when you receive them Sir.
>> Always a pleasure to hear yours and everyone else's Commander stories,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>> <00211 - 560-211 - N2711B - B&W - 1.jpg>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Peter,
It is indeed a straight 560, s/n 203, N444H.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: 02 December 2010 21:41
Subject: Commander-List: Photos to Berry
Hi Tylor,
Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the Cleveland Brakes,
hard to tell from the photo for me at least...
Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the
"Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the story? do you
know any of these people or was this an original for publicity?
I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers?
thanks!
p.
For those who have not seen it:
On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
Berry,
N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. There are
photos of the interior on his web site.
http://www.barronthomas.com/
It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at the French
Valley Airport, CA.
The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed.
http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518
<http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0>
&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0
You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos.
JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo?
More photos later.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Peter Bichier <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Tylor,
I will share this one with the rest of the gang and specially if
Ricardo is somewhere "listening" on the chat or any of the Otaola. I
met what I think is the patriarch, not sure though, but Francisco
Otaola is the one who knew my Dad.
I suspect Ricardo is the son and he would not remember me since we
were both young at the time. His father? Francisco Otaola knew my Dad
and flew together and as Commander owners kept on sharing mechanics
and notes (I tagged along a couple of times) on YV-T-JTO (later
YV-1611P), a '62 680F #1214-112 now is YV1611 and correctly so has
been owned by the family since new and now unfortunately is on the
market for $300K...
My pilot buddy down there (I usually fly to my research sites) was
going to introduce them to me again, but YV-1611 was flying when we
look for them; tragically my friend died in a motorcycle accident and
we never made contact.
It seems to be in great shape, (has changed paint scheme since I knew
it of course). By the way, in this site you'll see that there are 9
Turbo Commanders based in Venezuela for sale... just to show that if
you want you can properly maintain a Commander down there as well.
Thanks for bringing back fond memories Commanders! and sorry to see
her go...
http://www.tuavion.com/es/indices/turboprop.html
(you have to scroll down to Twincommander 680F 62 Charallave, Venezuela)
On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
> Peter,
> Do you know Ricardo Otaola from Venezuela. His family has owned
> several Aero Commanders. I meet him in the Island of Bonaire in
> 2003. He was flying a 680F that they had owned since new.
> He was on the Commander list.
> Tylor
>
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
>
>> Hum... I don't know if I would change an Aero Commander for a
>> Saratoga... but hey I'm not the one with deep pockets either! at
>> least I did get it right with the 560!
>>
>> I'm still sorting through my pictures of this year's FLY IN (poor
>> Jim Bob was really disappointed) I still had a blast! I'll post
>> them soon,
>>
>> take care and thanks!
>>
>> P.
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Peter,
>>> Here is what Barry Coleman said.
>>>
>>> The "Hannay" shots were kindly sent to me also some years ago and
>>> show their
>>> 560 s/n 203, N444H and their later 500A s/n 1113-55, also N444H.
>>>
>>> Hannay Reels has owned two Aero Commanders. They put out a
>>> calendar each year and the aircraft photos were in there.
>>> We have been a dealer for Hannay for many years. I flew in there
>>> King Air once and they have since moved up to a Primer Jet.
>>> Roger Hannay, Grandson of the founder is a pilot and had a
>>> Saratoga that he flew, but now he has a Pro Pilot do the flying.
>>>
>>> Tylor Hall
>>> tylorhall(at)mac.com
>>> First Fueling Systems, Inc.
>>> 100 Iron Ave. SE
>>> Albuquerque, NM 87102
>>> 505-400-8373 Cell
>>> 505-247-3001
>>> 505-247-3005 FAX
>>> www.firstfueling.com
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tylor,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the
>>>> Cleveland Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least...
>>>>
>>>> Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the
>>>> "Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the
>>>> story? do you know any of these people or was this an original
>>>> for publicity?
>>>>
>>>> I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers?
>>>>
>>>> thanks!
>>>>
>>>> p.
>>>>
>>>> For those who have not seen it:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Berry,
>>>>> N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas.
>>>>> There are photos of the interior on his web site.
>>>>> http://www.barronthomas.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at
>>>>> the French Valley Airport, CA.
>>>>> The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.me.com/
>>>>> tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0
>>>>>
>>>>> You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos.
>>>>> JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo?
>>>>>
>>>>> More photos later.
>>>>> Tylor Hall
>>>>> tylorhall(at)mac.com
>>>>> First Fueling Systems, Inc.
>>>>> 100 Iron Ave. SE
>>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87102
>>>>> 505-400-8373 Cell
>>>>> 505-247-3001
>>>>> 505-247-3005 FAX
>>>>> www.firstfueling.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Photos to Berry |
Hi Folks,
Does anyone have a stinger tail cone to fit my 680Fp that they would
like to sell or trade for something?
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Peter Bichier
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Photos to Berry
Tylor,
I will share this one with the rest of the gang and specially if Ricardo
is somewhere "listening" on the chat or any of the Otaola. I met what I
think is the patriarch, not sure though, but Francisco Otaola is the one
who knew my Dad.
I suspect Ricardo is the son and he would not remember me since we were
both young at the time. His father? Francisco Otaola knew my Dad and
flew together and as Commander owners kept on sharing mechanics and
notes (I tagged along a couple of times) on YV-T-JTO (later YV-1611P),
a '62 680F #1214-112 now is YV1611 and correctly so has been owned by
the family since new and now unfortunately is on the market for $300K...
My pilot buddy down there (I usually fly to my research sites) was going
to introduce them to me again, but YV-1611 was flying when we look for
them; tragically my friend died in a motorcycle accident and we never
made contact.
It seems to be in great shape, (has changed paint scheme since I knew it
of course). By the way, in this site you'll see that there are 9 Turbo
Commanders based in Venezuela for sale... just to show that if you want
you can properly maintain a Commander down there as well.
Thanks for bringing back fond memories Commanders! and sorry to see her
go...
http://www.tuavion.com/es/indices/turboprop.html
(you have to scroll down to Twincommander 680F 62 Charallave, Venezuela)
On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
Peter,
Do you know Ricardo Otaola from Venezuela. His family has owned
several Aero Commanders. I meet him in the Island of Bonaire in 2003.
He was flying a 680F that they had owned since new.
He was on the Commander list.
Tylor
On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
Hum... I don't know if I would change an Aero Commander for a
Saratoga... but hey I'm not the one with deep pockets either! at least I
did get it right with the 560!
I'm still sorting through my pictures of this year's FLY IN (poor
Jim Bob was really disappointed) I still had a blast! I'll post them
soon,
take care and thanks!
P.
On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
Peter,
Here is what Barry Coleman said.
The "Hannay" shots were kindly sent to me also some years ago and
show their
560 s/n 203, N444H and their later 500A s/n 1113-55, also N444H.
Hannay Reels has owned two Aero Commanders. They put out a
calendar each year and the aircraft photos were in there.
We have been a dealer for Hannay for many years. I flew in there
King Air once and they have since moved up to a Primer Jet.
Roger Hannay, Grandson of the founder is a pilot and had a
Saratoga that he flew, but now he has a Pro Pilot do the flying.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
Hi Tylor,
Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the
Cleveland Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least...
Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the
"Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the story? do
you know any of these people or was this an original for publicity?
I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers?
thanks!
p.
For those who have not seen it:
On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote:
Berry,
N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas.
There are photos of the interior on his web site.
http://www.barronthomas.com/
It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people
at the French Valley Airport, CA.
The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ??
unconfirmed.
http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=
0
You should be able to open this gallery and down load the
photos.
JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo?
More photos later.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron Ave. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford Airshow |
August 2009.
Here's the other photo taken of Tom's late Commander. She was a great
looking aircraft.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford Airshow |
August 2009.
sending again, lower resolution. The 2008 Abbotsford Airshow picture of
Tom's Commander was sent in an earlier email.
Barry, Morris, if you need a higher resolution photo I can send it direct.
Regards,
Andrew
> Here's the other photo taken of Tom's late Commander. She was a great
> looking aircraft.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Sorry for the multiple posts |
I kept getting messages saying the post had been rejected because the
attachments were too large. Yet it seems that they went through.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Andrew,
Grateful thanks for the shot of C-GISS at Abbotsford in 2008.
Not all the Shrikes had the eyebrow windows, as they were not a standard
item until s/n 3076.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: 03 December 2010 17:49
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford |
Airshow August 2009.
Hi Andrew,
Indeed, it was a great-looking example.
Grateful thanks for sending it and your help is much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: 03 December 2010 17:52
Subject: Commander-List: Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the
Abbotsford Airshow August 2009.
Here's the other photo taken of Tom's late Commander. She was a great
looking aircraft.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford |
Airshow August 2009.
Hi Andrew,
Both the earlier shots were great and have been saved OK.
Again, thanks for your help!
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: 03 December 2010 19:27
Subject: Commander-List: Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the
Abbotsford Airshow August 2009.
sending again, lower resolution. The 2008 Abbotsford Airshow picture of
Tom's Commander was sent in an earlier email.
Barry, Morris, if you need a higher resolution photo I can send it direct.
Regards,
Andrew
> Here's the other photo taken of Tom's late Commander. She was a great
> looking aircraft.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
That is not a Shrike. It is a 680FL
BILL LEFF
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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| From: | "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)utnet.utoledo.edu>
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Bill,
Just to clear up a bit of confusion, the Commander photographed at
Abbotsford was indeed a MR RPM 680FLP, but Andrew was referring to
N590DR, which was a Shrike, s/n 1817-23.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 December 2010 08:34
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models
come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009
one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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~=ED=B2=AC=DE=83g(=D3=8D=D3=87qzn
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| From: | "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Commander photos |
I see, got it. THANKS. Do you have pictures of N69AT? It is a 560 that has
been sitting at KHAO for years. I hear they are going to scrap it. I
thought I would stop by and get some pictures of it if you don't have any.
By the way, was the 680FLP the unpressurized camera ship we use to work on
here?
Bill
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 12:04:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Bill,
Just to clear up a bit of confusion, the Commander photographed at
Abbotsford was indeed a MR RPM 680FLP, but Andrew was referring to N590DR,
which was a Shrike, s/n 1817-23.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 December 2010 08:34
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the b
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
Formally FL"P"
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S
models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the
Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the
2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
To: ; "Barry Collman"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were
looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling
and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560
#211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport
(VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the
gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side
I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I
could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had
just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear
yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
It had a 9" camera port in the baggage compartment and a 19" in the
belly of the cabin.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
I see, got it. THANKS. Do you have pictures of N69AT? It is a 560
that has been sitting at KHAO for years. I hear they are going to scrap
it. I thought I would stop by and get some pictures of it if you don't
have any.
By the way, was the 680FLP the unpressurized camera ship we use to
work on here?
Bill
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 12:04:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Bill,
Just to clear up a bit of confusion, the Commander photographed at
Abbotsford was indeed a MR RPM 680FLP, but Andrew was referring to
N590DR, which was a Shrike, s/n 1817-23.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 December 2010 08:34
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S
models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the
Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the
2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
To: ; "Barry Collman"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were
looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling
and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560
#211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport
(VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the
gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side
I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I
could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had
just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear
yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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| From: | "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
I thought so. I recognized the vents on the gill plates.
Bill
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Tom Fisher <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 16:11:52 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
It had a 9" camera port in the baggage compartment and a 19" in the belly of
the cabin.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
I see, got it. THANKS. Do you have pictures of N69AT? It is a 560 that
has been sitting at KHAO for years. I hear they are going to scrap it. I
thought I would stop by and get some pictures of it if you don't have any.
By the way, was the 680FLP the unpressurized camera ship we use to work on
here?
Bill
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 12:04:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Bill,
Just to clear up a bit of confusion, the Commander photographed at
Abbotsford was indeed a MR RPM 680FLP, but Andrew was referring to N590DR,
which was a Shrike, s/n 1817-23.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 December 2010 08:34
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | BD Jet and Aero Commander |
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Barry,
Below is a post about the "world's smallest jet".
http://www.bd5.com/my5j.htm
Bob
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| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Bill,
Any shots of N69AT will be more than welcome, as I don=99t have
any at all of s/n 181.
There is, however, a shot of it on airliners.net if you cannot stop by
to take a few shots.
The 680FLP was s/n 1497-15 C-GISS, previously N77WD, N6125X, N1152Z.
Commander-Aero owned it as N77WD briefly in March 1983.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 December 2010 14:56
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
I see, got it. THANKS. Do you have pictures of N69AT? It is a 560 that
has been sitting at KHAO for years. I hear they are going to scrap it.
I thought I would stop by and get some pictures of it if you don't have
any.
By the way, was the 680FLP the unpressurized camera ship we use to work
on here?
Bill
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Sat, Dec 4, 2010 12:04:34 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Bill,
Just to clear up a bit of confusion, the Commander photographed at
Abbotsford was indeed a MR RPM 680FLP, but Andrew was referring to
N590DR, which was a Shrike, s/n 1817-23.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: 04 December 2010 08:34
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models
come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009
one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Tom,
Was the pressurization system completely removed from your 680FLP,
effectively converting it to a 680FL?
Or, was the system just not used after the camera installations were
made?
If the system was removed, can you recall the date?
I see that it has had N680JW Assigned by the US FAA as a valid Import
since March.
Any news on what=99s going to happen to it?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: 04 December 2010 16:06
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Formally FL"P"
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models
come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009
one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
>
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| Subject: | BD Jet and Aero Commander |
Hi Bob,
Grateful thanks!
Anybody any suggestions as to the i/d of the Commander 500 behind the BD-5
in the first photo?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steele, Bob
Sent: 04 December 2010 17:01
Subject: Commander-List: BD Jet and Aero Commander
Barry,
Below is a post about the "world's smallest jet".
http://www.bd5.com/my5j.htm
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-b
e-on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions as how
to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
cloudcraft(at)aol.com writes:
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-
on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
(http://www.aeroelectric.com/)
(http://www.buildersbooks.com/)
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
OOOPS!
One more error in the article.
It said: =9CThis is the first twin-engine airplane that any preside
nt ever
flew in.=9D
Not sure about any other president (Teddy Roosevelt did fly in a single
engine airplane while he was President) but Ike flew to Camp David and
probably to Gettysburg in a Twin Bonanza before he got the Commander. The
T-Bone
was replaced with the Commander after Ike's wife slipped on the boarding
step of the original T-Bone.
The Commander was acquired to get rid of that three step access bar.
Unfortunately, she still refused to fly in "those small airplanes" so the
Commander did not get as much use as it might have had Mamie not slipped
on
the T-Bone step.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 5:59:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B(at)aol.com writes:
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-b
e-
on_18.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hi Keith,
I think all will be revealed in the not-too-distant future!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: 05 December 2010 02:15
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-
on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Morning All,
The 680 that was used by President Eisenhower while president was at a museu
m in Patterson La, PTN. Hurricane Katrina did severe damage to the building
and it had to be torn down. A new building was constructed a few miles awa
y. I'm unclear wether it was a money issue or a room issue, but whatever th
e case, it was given to a new museum in Houma, La HUM. It was transported b
y barge to it's new home.
Bert
On Dec 5, 2010, at 7:39 AM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
> wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
>
>
> I think all will be revealed in the not-too-distant future!
>
>
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S. Gordon
> Sent: 05 December 2010 02:15
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
>
>
>
> Sir Barry & All,
>
> Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web s
ite regarding moving "Air Force One."
>
> I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about t
his aircraft.
>
> http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-b
e-on_18.html
>
>
>
> Keith S. Gordon
> (aka Wing Commander Gordon)
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> NBAA Access Committee
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.buildersbooks.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
| From: | Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)gmail.com> |
The 680 used by Ike was only the first official designated Commander. The
air force had a fleet of some 15 Aero Commanders, (560A & 560A-HC), L26-A &
L26-B. One of the fleet, which is now N382JH was based at Livermore, Ca. It
was acquired for a customer from the former owner John Hoffman, Stuart, Fl.
by Commander Services. The air force bureau #'s are still stencilled on all
engine cowlings. A friend who was a retired air force officer, was in
Hayward one day when N382JH was there for maintenance, & saw the numbers on
an engine cowling. He remarked that he had flown Ike & Mamie in that
airplane, & later faxed a copy of his log book entry with the air force
number, along with the notation in remarks, "Ike & Mamie, Camp David" . I
participated in the ceremony at Wright-Patterson of the presentation of the
first 680 "air Force One" The airplane was restored & donated by JW Duff
Aircraft, Denver, Co. The Presidential seal could not be affixed to the
airplane for the flight. It was placed on the aircraft during the
presentation. Just a little Commander history from Morris Kernick, Commander
Services
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:55 AM, wrote:
> Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
>
> It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
> can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
> so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
> will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
>
> It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
> president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
>
> In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> cloudcraft(at)aol.com writes:
>
> *Sir Barry & All,
>
> Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
> site regarding moving "Air Force One."
>
> I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
> this aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-on_18.html
> *
>
> Keith S. Gordon
> (aka Wing Commander Gordon)
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> NBAA Access Committee*
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Afternoon Morris,
Are you sure it was the first one? I note that the article stated it was a
1956 model and Ike was using the Commander long before that. My guess was
that the Mamie incident happened in 1953.
She must have relented as my informants said that she would not ride in
any small airplane after skinning her shin climbing up that T-Bone series of
steps. If you have ever seen the abominable translating set of stairs that
Beech used on the D50C T-Bone, you might have also heard that the Beech
factory workers had nicknamed those the Mamie Eisenhower stairs because they
were developed following the injury she received
I kinda think the first presidential Commander was a 520.
I also have been told the T-Bone was an Army airplane, not an Air Force
one. No idea as to who supplied the Commander.
A disaster for Beechcraft, but the greatest boon Aero Commander ever
experienced.
Once the Commander became the official Presidential airplane, sales
increased dramatically.
My recollection is that the strip at Camp David measured right at 1600
feet. So much for accelerate/stop calculations!
Seemed OK to me as I was flying both an early 520 and an early T-Bone at
that time and I did operate both on occasion from a 1600 foot strip, but only
at very light weights.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS I said earlier that Teddy Roosevelt flew in a Wright while he was
President. I read later this morning that he did that after he had retired from
the Presidency. In any case, that WAS before my time!
In a message dated 12/5/2010 11:36:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
comserv500s(at)gmail.com writes:
The 680 used by Ike was only the first official designated Commander. The
air force had a fleet of some 15 Aero Commanders, (560A & 560A-HC), L26-A &
L26-B. One of the fleet, which is now N382JH was based at Livermore, Ca.
It was acquired for a customer from the former owner John Hoffman, Stuart,
Fl. by Commander Services. The air force bureau #'s are still stencilled on
all engine cowlings. A friend who was a retired air force officer, was in
Hayward one day when N382JH was there for maintenance, & saw the numbers on
an engine cowling. He remarked that he had flown Ike & Mamie in that
airplane, & later faxed a copy of his log book entry with the air force number,
along with the notation in remarks, "Ike & Mamie, Camp David" . I
participated in the ceremony at Wright-Patterson of the presentation of the first
680 "air Force One" The airplane was restored & donated by JW Duff Aircraft,
Denver, Co. The Presidential seal could not be affixed to the airplane for
the flight. It was placed on the aircraft during the presentation. Just a
little Commander history from Morris Kernick, Commander Services
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:55 AM, <_BobsV35B(at)aol.com_
(mailto:BobsV35B(at)aol.com) > wrote:
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?)
US president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hello Bob,
The first Commander used by Ike was a Model 560, which was leased from the
Factory pending delivery of the first of the 15 x 560A Models ordered by the
USAF.
The 560 was s/n 224, N2724B and was designated by the USAF as an L-26A.
The 560A Models were designated L-26B and after the last two in the order
for 15 were changed to Model 680, they were designated L-26C.
The US Army, however, did have 3 x Model 520, plus a few more later Models,
such as 680, 680E, a 680FLP & a 680W.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: 05 December 2010 19:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Afternoon Morris,
Are you sure it was the first one? I note that the article stated it was a
1956 model and Ike was using the Commander long before that. My guess was
that the Mamie incident happened in 1953.
She must have relented as my informants said that she would not ride in any
small airplane after skinning her shin climbing up that T-Bone series of
steps. If you have ever seen the abominable translating set of stairs that
Beech used on the D50C T-Bone, you might have also heard that the Beech
factory workers had nicknamed those the Mamie Eisenhower stairs because they
were developed following the injury she received
I kinda think the first presidential Commander was a 520.
I also have been told the T-Bone was an Army airplane, not an Air Force one.
No idea as to who supplied the Commander.
A disaster for Beechcraft, but the greatest boon Aero Commander ever
experienced.
Once the Commander became the official Presidential airplane, sales
increased dramatically.
My recollection is that the strip at Camp David measured right at 1600 feet.
So much for accelerate/stop calculations!
Seemed OK to me as I was flying both an early 520 and an early T-Bone at
that time and I did operate both on occasion from a 1600 foot strip, but
only at very light weights.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS I said earlier that Teddy Roosevelt flew in a Wright while he was
President. I read later this morning that he did that after he had retired
from the Presidency. In any case, that WAS before my time!
In a message dated 12/5/2010 11:36:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
comserv500s(at)gmail.com writes:
The 680 used by Ike was only the first official designated Commander. The
air force had a fleet of some 15 Aero Commanders, (560A & 560A-HC), L26-A &
L26-B. One of the fleet, which is now N382JH was based at Livermore, Ca. It
was acquired for a customer from the former owner John Hoffman, Stuart, Fl.
by Commander Services. The air force bureau #'s are still stencilled on all
engine cowlings. A friend who was a retired air force officer, was in
Hayward one day when N382JH was there for maintenance, & saw the numbers on
an engine cowling. He remarked that he had flown Ike & Mamie in that
airplane, & later faxed a copy of his log book entry with the air force
number, along with the notation in remarks, "Ike & Mamie, Camp David" . I
participated in the ceremony at Wright-Patterson of the presentation of the
first 680 "air Force One" The airplane was restored & donated by JW Duff
Aircraft, Denver, Co. The Presidential seal could not be affixed to the
airplane for the flight. It was placed on the aircraft during the
presentation. Just a little Commander history from Morris Kernick, Commander
Services
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:55 AM, wrote:
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Afternoon Barry,
Does that mean the Army flew Ike in the 520 or did he continue to use the
D50 T-Bone until he got the Commander and not take Mamie along?
I had heard she took a limousine to Camp David after the T-Bone incident.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 1:38:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hello Bob,
The first Commander used by Ike was a Model 560, which was leased from the
Factory pending delivery of the first of the 15 x 560A Models ordered by
the USAF.
The 560 was s/n 224, N2724B and was designated by the USAF as an L-26A.
The 560A Models were designated L-26B and after the last two in the order
for 15 were changed to Model 680, they were designated L-26C.
The US Army, however, did have 3 x Model 520, plus a few more later
Models, such as 680, 680E, a 680FLP & a 680W.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hi Bob,
No, the Army would not have flown Ike in one of the 520's.
I've not heard that Ike used a D50 before!
All the references I've seen quote the Commander as being the first
twin-engined aircraft considered safe enough for Presidential use.
The D-50 was designated as the L-23 for the US Army. Did the USAF actually
have any?
I ask because, in those days, I think US Army aviation was controlled by the
USAF and I think all Presidential flights were carried out by the USAF.
But then, my knowledge of matters military is not too good (the back of a
postage stamp scenario).
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: 05 December 2010 19:54
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Afternoon Barry,
Does that mean the Army flew Ike in the 520 or did he continue to use the
D50 T-Bone until he got the Commander and not take Mamie along?
I had heard she took a limousine to Camp David after the T-Bone incident.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 1:38:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hello Bob,
The first Commander used by Ike was a Model 560, which was leased from the
Factory pending delivery of the first of the 15 x 560A Models ordered by the
USAF.
The 560 was s/n 224, N2724B and was designated by the USAF as an L-26A.
The 560A Models were designated L-26B and after the last two in the order
for 15 were changed to Model 680, they were designated L-26C.
The US Army, however, did have 3 x Model 520, plus a few more later Models,
such as 680, 680E, a 680FLP & a 680W.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
The pressure system was entirely removed but as I no longer have the
logs I do not know when.
In addition to the 19" hole in the belly there is a 2' square hole cut
into the rear cabin bulkhead for some laser survey equipment it once had
installed.
The plane was bought by someone from the US, (I don't know if he wants
me to reveal his name at this point).
The plane is still sitting outside at the hanger I used without the
right prop, which I understand has been repaired.
The right gear strut is being held together by large straps until a new
one is put on, don't know the timing of it heading for the US.
I am hoping the new owner is going to buy the spare firewall forward 350
hour IO720 which is sitting in Florida and put it on the former GISS.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Tom,
Was the pressurization system completely removed from your 680FLP,
effectively converting it to a 680FL?
Or, was the system just not used after the camera installations were
made?
If the system was removed, can you recall the date?
I see that it has had N680JW Assigned by the US FAA as a valid Import
since March.
Any news on what=99s going to happen to it?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: 04 December 2010 16:06
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Formally FL"P"
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S
models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the
Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the
2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
To: ; "Barry Collman"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were
looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling
and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560
#211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport
(VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the
gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side
I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I
could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had
just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear
yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Facebook page |
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook
Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions
as how to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Evening Barry,
My betting knowledge is no better than yours. I am not even certain of the
time frame. The one thing that I will bet on is that the T-Bone was used
by
Eisenhower before the Aero Commander and that the T-Bone was dumped in
favor of the Aero Commander when Mamie skinned her shin. And that was
definitely after he was inaugurated
I received that information not only from Beechcraft sources, but from Arm
y
aviators of the era. I do believe there was some argument between the
services as to how Army aviation functions were to be handled. I also kno
w that
after Ike's election and before he was inaugurated, he was allowed to
visit Korea with Harry Truman's blessing to get a personal view of how th
ings
were going. That would have been in the late fall of 1952. While there,
he
was assigned a T-Bone and a pilot to fly him around the country.
Of that, there is no doubt.
Rumor has it that Ike did fly the airplane from the left seat on occasion.
He held a civilian pilots license at that time and was current in the
single engine Bonanza. I think we can all agree that the T-Bone is one of
the
most gentle airplanes ever. There is no way for me to substantiate whethe
r or
not Ike flew the T-Bone from the left seat as all official sources would
certainly have denied that fact if it did occur.
There was also considerable discussion that the main reason the Columbine
was a Connie instead of a DC-6 as was Harry's airplane (The Independence)
is because Rusty Draper had flown Eisenhower in a Connie when Ike was a
five
star General.
There was considerable rumor that Ike often flew the Connie from the left
seat. Once again, you can be sure that all officialdom would keep that
rather quiet.
If you were a General Of The Armies and an avid aviator, don't you think
you might try the left seat occasionally?
Flying magazine had an article in the early sixties written by a military
pilot who claimed to have checked out Ike in a Stearman during his stint
on
MacArther's staff in the Philippines prior to WWII.. Said it wasn't quite
in compliance with Army regulations, but that Ike handled the Stearman ver
y
well and flew it solo often.
Lots of rumors out there, but I would say there is a very high probability
that some of them are true.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 2:16:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Bob,
No, the Army would not have flown Ike in one of the 520=99s.
I've not heard that Ike used a D 50 before!
All the references I've seen quote the Commander as being the first
twin-engine aircraft considered safe enough for Presidential use.
The D-50 was designated as the L-23 for the US Army. Did the USAF actuall
y
have any?
I ask because, in those days, I think US Army aviation was controlled by
the USAF and I think all Presidential flights were carried out by the USA
F.
But then, my knowledge of matters military is not too good (the back of
a
postage stamp scenario).
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird in the
ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and additional
pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll add the
registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions as how
to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Facebook page |
I would like to change some of that story now that I am better informed
but I understand that what is ever out there stays out there.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird
in the ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and
additional pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll
add the registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook
Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions
as how to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
I saw the 'jet' reference, too. Typical journalism.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
cloudcraft(at)aol.com writes:
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-
on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Not necessarily. I'll send you the story to put in perspective before I put
it back on.
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
I would like to change some of that story now that I am better informed but
I understand that what is ever out there stays out there.
T...
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From: cybersuperstore <mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird in the
ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and additional
pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll add the
registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions as how
to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Sorry for the delay... but as I probably say every year... better late than never!
As usual I have loaded a selection of my pictures of this year's Fly In, you should
be able to download anything you want.
For those who have their doubts on these meetings, think again! it's mainly a great
source of information, you'll learn tips on how to maintain and fly a Commander
from a really fun group of people.
I sure have had a great time and will do it again!
hopefully, enjoy:
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG10select?feat=directlink
Morris, I have more pictures from the museum (some are here) but if you want to
see more, just let me know and I'll post a hole folder on those.
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322406#322406
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| From: | "Jack B. Mills" <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Peter,
Thanks so much for posting the photos. Regrettably, I was unable to attend,
so these were really enjoyable.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:36 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: 2010 Flyin
>
>
> Sorry for the delay... but as I probably say every year... better late
> than never!
>
> As usual I have loaded a selection of my pictures of this year's Fly In,
> you should be able to download anything you want.
>
> For those who have their doubts on these meetings, think again! it's
> mainly a great source of information, you'll learn tips on how to maintain
> and fly a Commander from a really fun group of people.
>
> I sure have had a great time and will do it again!
>
> hopefully, enjoy:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG10select?feat=directlink
>
> Morris, I have more pictures from the museum (some are here) but if you
> want to see more, just let me know and I'll post a hole folder on those.
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322406#322406
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Nico,
Grateful thanks for all your work on the Facebook page.
I've taken a relatively quick look and have added details of the "N" number,
Model, s/n and other items in the "Comments" box for some of them.
Others are not that easily identifiable though!
How about a separate links for photographs for each Model?
And perhaps, within each link, a further one for the brochures/adverts?
It would be 'fun' too, to put those unidentified examples in a separate link
to see how many can be positively identified!
It would give myself and Bert something to do during the cold, dark Winter
nights ;-)
Lastly, there's a link titled "Aero Commander Hawk, 810, 840 series".
Not sure what the "810" should be though.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Sent: 05 December 2010 04:50
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions as how
to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Commander photos |
Hi Tom,
OK =93 grateful thanks.
If things progress towards getting this Commander airworthy again, then
no doubt all will be revealed via the paperwork submitted to the FAA.
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: 05 December 2010 21:25
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
The pressure system was entirely removed but as I no longer have the
logs I do not know when.
In addition to the 19" hole in the belly there is a 2' square hole cut
into the rear cabin bulkhead for some laser survey equipment it once had
installed.
The plane was bought by someone from the US, (I don't know if he wants
me to reveal his name at this point).
The plane is still sitting outside at the hanger I used without the
right prop, which I understand has been repaired.
The right gear strut is being held together by large straps until a new
one is put on, don't know the timing of it heading for the US.
I am hoping the new owner is going to buy the spare firewall forward 350
hour IO720 which is sitting in Florida and put it on the former GISS.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Tom,
Was the pressurization system completely removed from your 680FLP,
effectively converting it to a 680FL?
Or, was the system just not used after the camera installations were
made?
If the system was removed, can you recall the date?
I see that it has had N680JW Assigned by the US FAA as a valid Import
since March.
Any news on what=99s going to happen to it?
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: 04 December 2010 16:06
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Formally FL"P"
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S models
come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the 2009
one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
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| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hi again Bob,
Well, I=99m certainly no expert on military aviation and therefore
have no reference material here that would be of any help.
However, within Air-Britain (Historians) we have Specialists in many
aspects of aviation and there is an online Forum called
=9CAB-IX=9D (Air-Britain Information Exchange).
People can ask questions they are unable to resolve themselves and the
vast majority of them get answered by other people who have the required
knowledge or expertise.
I therefore posed a question yesterday as to whether President
Eisenhower had a Beech D-50 (L-23) at his disposal.
One guy replied that the only two items on Presidential aircraft that he
has available (American Aviation Historical Society, Issue 2 1963 and
Flying magazine, August 1990), make no mention of a Beech being used by
the President.
Another guy, our Specialist on the Beech 18, doesn=99t remember
seeing any reference to Eisenhower using a Twin Bonanza in Beech
histories, literature or newsletters.
He did add though that the USAF did actually have at least one example
of the L-23. Designated as an XL-23C, 55-3465 c/n CH-123 "Long Tom", had
extended floating wing panels for an experimental project. Mfg 1955,
project ended 19Dec56.
This is from Dick Ward's book "Beechcraft Twin Bonanza" 1998.
As an aside, another guy says =9CI visited Weston Executive
Airport, just outside Dublin, in June of 2008. On being accompanied
around the hangars my colleagues and I were shown a Beech C-45H, G-BSZC
, c/n AF258, Built 1952, formerly N9541Z and 51-11701A. She was named
Southern Comfort and carried USAF under the port wing. We were told
that this aircraft had been used at some time by President Eisenhower,
and whilst I cannot vouch for the authenticity of this story, we
accepted the comment at face value at the time.=9D
To this, our Beech 18 Specialist replied =9CI first came across
this claim online and it accompanied a photo for sale of G-BSZC. They
claimed that it belonged "to ex-president Eisenhower and flown by Paul
Tibbet [sic Tibbets] of Enola Gay WWII." I'm not sure if the claim is
that Eisenhower flew in it while it was in service with SAC in the USAF
and he was President (1953-1961) or that he owned it as a civilian (he
retired to a farm in Gettysburg, PA & died in Mar69). According to FAA
files he didn't own it. Perhaps the USAF log book shows he flew in it,
that would be great if that could be confirmed.=9D
So, Ike could have flown in a Beech D-50 (L-23), but I feel sure that
one was not set aside for his permanent use.
The Commanders were, of course, and were ordered for this specific
purpose.
My feeling is that Army aircraft simply wouldn=99t have been used
and the Commanders were operated by a unit within the USAF (1254th Air
Transport Group, 1298th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron. A
sister unit, the 1299th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron flew
the President=99s aides, Secret Service personnel and foreign
dignitaries.
However, if your sources are adamant that an L-23 was used, we in
Air-Britain would like to know more.
Does anybody have a copy of the book mentioned earlier (By Dick Ward,
"Beechcraft Twin Bonanza", from 1998.)
Surely, if Eisenhower had flown in an L-23, the book would highlight
that fact?
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: 05 December 2010 21:47
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Evening Barry,
My betting knowledge is no better than yours. I am not even certain of
the time frame. The one thing that I will bet on is that the T-Bone was
used by Eisenhower before the Aero Commander and that the T-Bone was
dumped in favor of the Aero Commander when Mamie skinned her shin. And
that was definitely after he was inaugurated
I received that information not only from Beechcraft sources, but from
Army aviators of the era. I do believe there was some argument between
the services as to how Army aviation functions were to be handled. I
also know that after Ike's election and before he was inaugurated, he
was allowed to visit Korea with Harry Truman's blessing to get a
personal view of how things were going. That would have been in the late
fall of 1952. While there, he was assigned a T-Bone and a pilot to fly
him around the country.
Of that, there is no doubt.
Rumor has it that Ike did fly the airplane from the left seat on
occasion. He held a civilian pilots license at that time and was current
in the single engine Bonanza. I think we can all agree that the T-Bone
is one of the most gentle airplanes ever. There is no way for me to
substantiate whether or not Ike flew the T-Bone from the left seat as
all official sources would certainly have denied that fact if it did
occur.
There was also considerable discussion that the main reason the
Columbine was a Connie instead of a DC-6 as was Harry's airplane (The
Independence) is because Rusty Draper had flown Eisenhower in a Connie
when Ike was a five star General.
There was considerable rumor that Ike often flew the Connie from the
left seat. Once again, you can be sure that all officialdom would keep
that rather quiet.
If you were a General Of The Armies and an avid aviator, don't you think
you might try the left seat occasionally?
Flying magazine had an article in the early sixties written by a
military pilot who claimed to have checked out Ike in a Stearman during
his stint on MacArther's staff in the Philippines prior to WWII.. Said
it wasn't quite in compliance with Army regulations, but that Ike
handled the Stearman very well and flew it solo often.
Lots of rumors out there, but I would say there is a very high
probability that some of them are true.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 2:16:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Bob,
No, the Army would not have flown Ike in one of the 520=99s.
I've not heard that Ike used a D 50 before!
All the references I've seen quote the Commander as being the first
twin-engine aircraft considered safe enough for Presidential use.
The D-50 was designated as the L-23 for the US Army. Did the USAF
actually have any?
I ask because, in those days, I think US Army aviation was controlled by
the USAF and I think all Presidential flights were carried out by the
USAF.
But then, my knowledge of matters military is not too good (the back of
a postage stamp scenario).
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Morning Barry,
While I am confident that the story about Ike using a T-Bone to fly around
Korea is accurate and that he used one to fly to Camp David is accurate,
I
doubt very much if any individual airplane was assigned to the operation.
Chances are it was a routine Army airplane. As I said before, I heard th
e
story from Army pilots, not Air Force personnel. The Army had a whole pas
sel
of T-Bones!
When Mamie skinned her shin, the decision was made to get the Aero
Commander to eliminate the climb up those original "steps on a stick".
Beech even
redesigned the access to the D50 because of it, but the damage was done.
It is a shame that Dick Ward is no longer with us. He knew more about the
D50 than anyone else I ever met.
I am fairly familiar with Twin Beech history and I am confident that there
was never a Twin Beech specifically assigned to Ike. I would imagine that
he did fly in one every now and then. It was hard to be in the Army duri
ng
WWII without getting in a DC-3 or a Twin Beech on occasion. He also flew
in
various liaison aircraft whenever it was appropriate to do so.
I also doubt that Paul Tibbets would have done any flying with Ike. Rusty
Draper was his pilot during WWII and he chose him to fly the Columbine as
well. If anyone would have done any flying for Ike after he left the
presidency, it would have been Rusty.
The only airplanes he was assigned with which I am familiar were the
Connie he used as General Of The Armies and the Columbine he used as Pres
ident.
I have tried to locate the serial number of the Bonanza he used to commute
between his home at Gettysburg and Teterboro when he was President of
Columbia University, but have never found any proof of his ownership. It
is
quite possible that the Bonanza was a leased aircraft and he only used it
for a
very short time.
We have a small amount of D50 material at the Beechcraft Heritage Museum
and I will try to see what might be there next time I get to Tullahoma.
I have discussed the Eisenhower use of a T-Bone in Korea and the initial
use of a T-Bone for use to get to Camp David with several Beechcraft old
timers when I attended schools or sales events at the factory.
However, I know of no written documentation of the Mamie incident.
I am absolutely confident it occurred and that Ike did use a T-Bone for
at
least the first flying trip to Camp David.
By the way. Are you familiar with the use Colonel Robert R McCormick made
of an Aero Commander to commute from Wheaton, Illinois, to Chicago's Meigs
Field to work every day?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:05:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi again Bob,
Well, I=99m certainly no expert on military aviation and therefore
have no
reference material here that would be of any help.
However, within Air-Britain (Historians) we have Specialists in many
aspects of aviation and there is an online Forum called =9CAB-IX
=9D (Air-Britain
Information Exchange).
People can ask questions they are unable to resolve themselves and the
vast majority of them get answered by other people who have the required
knowledge or expertise.
I therefore posed a question yesterday as to whether President Eisenhower
had a Beech D-50 (L-23) at his disposal.
One guy replied that the only two items on Presidential aircraft that he
has available (American Aviation Historical Society, Issue 2 1963 and
Flying magazine, August 1990), make no mention of a Beech being used by
the
President.
Another guy, our Specialist on the Beech 18, doesn=99t remember see
ing any
reference to Eisenhower using a Twin Bonanza in Beech histories, literatu
re
or newsletters.
He did add though that the USAF did actually have at least one example of
the L-23. Designated as an XL-23C, 55-3465 c/n CH-123 "Long Tom", had
extended floating wing panels for an experimental project. Mfg 1955, proj
ect
ended 19Dec56.
This is from Dick Ward's book "Beechcraft Twin Bonanza" 1998.
As an aside, another guy says =9CI visited Weston Executive Airport
, just
outside Dublin, in June of 2008. On being accompanied around the hangars
my
colleagues and I were shown a Beech C-45H, G-BSZC , c/n AF258, Built 1952,
formerly N9541Z and 51-11701A. She was named Southern Comfort and carried
USAF under the port wing. We were told that this aircraft had been used
at
some time by President Eisenhower, and whilst I cannot vouch for the
authenticity of this story, we accepted the comment at face value at the
time.=9D
To this, our Beech 18 Specialist replied =9CI first came across thi
s claim
online and it accompanied a photo for sale of G-BSZC. They claimed that
it
belonged "to ex-president Eisenhower and flown by Paul Tibbet [sic Tibbet
s]
of Enola Gay WWII." I'm not sure if the claim is that Eisenhower flew in
it
while it was in service with SAC in the USAF and he was President
(1953-1961) or that he owned it as a civilian (he retired to a farm in Ge
ttysburg,
PA & died in Mar69). According to FAA files he didn't own it. Perhaps the
USAF log book shows he flew in it, that would be great if that could be
confirmed.=9D
So, Ike could have flown in a Beech D-50 (L-23), but I feel sure that one
was not set aside for his permanent use.
The Commanders were, of course, and were ordered for this specific
purpose.
My feeling is that Army aircraft simply wouldn=99t have been used
and the
Commanders were operated by a unit within the USAF (1254th Air Transport
Group, 1298th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron. A sister unit,
the
1299th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron flew the President
=99s aides,
Secret Service personnel and foreign dignitaries.
However, if your sources are adamant that an L-23 was used, we in
Air-Britain would like to know more.
Does anybody have a copy of the book mentioned earlier (By Dick Ward,
"Beechcraft Twin Bonanza", from 1998.)
Surely, if Eisenhower had flown in an L-23, the book would highlight that
fact?
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
It is a shame that Dick Ward is no longer with us. He knew more about the
D50 than anyone else I ever met.
Old Bob,
Sometimes bad news travels slowly. I wasn't aware that Dick Ward had gone
West. In the early days (as in 1996) of the Twin Commander Flight Group
he and I spoke many times and shared resources that the two brands -- Bee
ch and Aero Commander -- had in common. At one time we discussed a joint
fly-in event so T-Bone and bathtub nacelled Commander owners could show
the engine, prop, parts and service providers our fleet numbers.
We had a most friendly rivalry and I'm sorry to learn I won't be jousting
with him any longer over why the Aero Commander was soooooo much better
than the T-Bone.
Best to you -- and thank you for dropping in with your wit and wisdom ever
y now and then.
Keith S. Gordon
aka Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 6:11 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Morning Barry,
While I am confident that the story about Ike using a T-Bone to fly around
Korea is accurate and that he used one to fly to Camp David is accurate,
I doubt very much if any individual airplane was assigned to the operatio
n. Chances are it was a routine Army airplane. As I said before, I heard
the story from Army pilots, not Air Force personnel. The Army had a whole
passel of T-Bones!
When Mamie skinned her shin, the decision was made to get the Aero Command
er to eliminate the climb up those original "steps on a stick". Beech eve
n redesigned the access to the D50 because of it, but the damage was done
.
It is a shame that Dick Ward is no longer with us. He knew more about the
D50 than anyone else I ever met.
I am fairly familiar with Twin Beech history and I am confident that there
was never a Twin Beech specifically assigned to Ike. I would imagine that
he did fly in one every now and then. It was hard to be in the Army duri
ng WWII without getting in a DC-3 or a Twin Beech on occasion. He also fle
w in various liaison aircraft whenever it was appropriate to do so.
I also doubt that Paul Tibbets would have done any flying with Ike. Rusty
Draper was his pilot during WWII and he chose him to fly the Columbine as
well. If anyone would have done any flying for Ike after he left the pres
idency, it would have been Rusty.
The only airplanes he was assigned with which I am familiar were the Conni
e he used as General Of The Armies and the Columbine he used as President.
I have tried to locate the serial number of the Bonanza he used to commute
between his home at Gettysburg and Teterboro when he was President of Col
umbia University, but have never found any proof of his ownership. It is
quite possible that the Bonanza was a leased aircraft and he only used it
for a very short time.
We have a small amount of D50 material at the Beechcraft Heritage Museum
and I will try to see what might be there next time I get to Tullahoma.
I have discussed the Eisenhower use of a T-Bone in Korea and the initial
use of a T-Bone for use to get to Camp David with several Beechcraft old
timers when I attended schools or sales events at the factory.
However, I know of no written documentation of the Mamie incident.
I am absolutely confident it occurred and that Ike did use a T-Bone for at
least the first flying trip to Camp David.
By the way. Are you familiar with the use Colonel Robert R McCormick made
of an Aero Commander to commute from Wheaton, Illinois, to Chicago's Meig
s Field to work every day?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:05:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, barry.col
lman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi again Bob,
Well, I=99m certainly no expert on military aviation and therefore
have no reference material here that would be of any help.
However, within Air-Britain (Historians) we have Specialists in many asp
ects of aviation and there is an online Forum called =9CAB-IX
=9D (Air-Britain Information Exchange).
People can ask questions they are unable to resolve themselves and the
vast majority of them get answered by other people who have the require
d knowledge or expertise.
I therefore posed a question yesterday as to whether President Eisenhowe
r had a Beech D-50 (L-23) at his disposal.
One guy replied that the only two items on Presidential aircraft that he
has available (American Aviation Historical Society, Issue 2 1963 and
Flying magazine, August 1990), make no mention of a Beech being used by
the President.
Another guy, our Specialist on the Beech 18, doesn=99t remember se
eing any reference to Eisenhower using a Twin Bonanza in Beech histories
, literature or newsletters.
He did add though that the USAF did actually have at least one example
of the L-23. Designated as an XL-23C, 55-3465 c/n CH-123 "Long Tom", ha
d extended floating wing panels for an experimental project. Mfg 1955,
project ended 19Dec56.
This is from Dick Ward's book "Beechcraft Twin Bonanza" 1998.
As an aside, another guy says =9CI visited Weston Executive Airpor
t, just outside Dublin, in June of 2008. On being accompanied around the
hangars my colleagues and I were shown a Beech C-45H, G-BSZC , c/n AF25
8, Built 1952, formerly N9541Z and 51-11701A. She was named Southern Com
fort and carried USAF under the port wing. We were told that this aircr
aft had been used at some time by President Eisenhower, and whilst I can
not vouch for the authenticity of this story, we accepted the comment at
face value at the time.=9D
To this, our Beech 18 Specialist replied =9CI first came across th
is claim online and it accompanied a photo for sale of G-BSZC. They clai
med that it belonged "to ex-president Eisenhower and flown by Paul Tibbet
[sic Tibbets] of Enola Gay WWII." I'm not sure if the claim is that Eis
enhower flew in it while it was in service with SAC in the USAF and he
was President (1953-1961) or that he owned it as a civilian (he retired
to a farm in Gettysburg, PA & died in Mar69). According to FAA files he
didn't own it. Perhaps the USAF log book shows he flew in it, that woul
d be great if that could be confirmed.=9D
So, Ike could have flown in a Beech D-50 (L-23), but I feel sure that on
e was not set aside for his permanent use.
The Commanders were, of course, and were ordered for this specific purpo
se.
My feeling is that Army aircraft simply wouldn=99t have been used
and the Commanders were operated by a unit within the USAF (1254th Air
Transport Group, 1298th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron. A si
ster unit, the 1299th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron flew the
President=99s aides, Secret Service personnel and foreign digni
taries.
However, if your sources are adamant that an L-23 was used, we in Air-B
ritain would like to know more.
Does anybody have a copy of the book mentioned earlier (By Dick Ward, "B
eechcraft Twin Bonanza", from 1998.)
Surely, if Eisenhower had flown in an L-23, the book would highlight tha
t fact?
Best Regards,
Barry
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Fellow Commander Colleagues,
After 11 years of faithful service, I have decided to put N6253X up for
sale. Here are some quick specs:
1961 680F
Approx 4,000 hrs total time / 150 hours SMOH
Decent paint / good interior
Collins nav/coms, HSI, coupled GPS, C-3 Autopilot, etc.
Flown regularly - generally in very good shape
Asking $150,000.00
Pictures and more information to follow.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680f / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Morning Keith,
We lost Dick in 2008.
Miss him too.
And: ---- I like both machines! Flew them a lot back in the fifties and
sixties.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/6/2010 10:24:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
cloudcraft(at)aol.com writes:
It is a shame that Dick Ward is no longer with us. He knew more about the
D50 than anyone else I ever met.
Old Bob,
Sometimes bad news travels slowly. I wasn't aware that Dick Ward had gon
e
West. In the early days (as in 1996) of the Twin Commander Flight Group
he and I spoke many times and shared resources that the two brands -- Beec
h
and Aero Commander -- had in common. At one time we discussed a joint
fly-in event so T-Bone and bathtub nacelled Commander owners could show th
e
engine, prop, parts and service providers our fleet numbers.
We had a most friendly rivalry and I'm sorry to learn I won't be jousting
with him any longer over why the Aero Commander was soooooo much better
than the T-Bone.
Best to you -- and thank you for dropping in with your wit and wisdom
every now and then.
Keith S. Gordon
aka Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 6:11 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Morning Barry,
While I am confident that the story about Ike using a T-Bone to fly aroun
d
Korea is accurate and that he used one to fly to Camp David is accurate,
I
doubt very much if any individual airplane was assigned to the operation.
Chances are it was a routine Army airplane. As I said before, I heard th
e
story from Army pilots, not Air Force personnel. The Army had a whole
passel of T-Bones!
When Mamie skinned her shin, the decision was made to get the Aero
Commander to eliminate the climb up those original "steps on a stick".
Beech even
redesigned the access to the D50 because of it, but the damage was done.
It is a shame that Dick Ward is no longer with us. He knew more about the
D50 than anyone else I ever met.
I am fairly familiar with Twin Beech history and I am confident that ther
e
was never a Twin Beech specifically assigned to Ike. I would imagine that
he did fly in one every now and then. It was hard to be in the Army duri
ng
WWII without getting in a DC-3 or a Twin Beech on occasion. He also flew
in various liaison aircraft whenever it was appropriate to do so.
I also doubt that Paul Tibbets would have done any flying with Ike. Rusty
Draper was his pilot during WWII and he chose him to fly the Columbine as
well. If anyone would have done any flying for Ike after he left the
presidency, it would have been Rusty.
The only airplanes he was assigned with which I am familiar were the
Connie he used as General Of The Armies and the Columbine he used as Pres
ident.
I have tried to locate the serial number of the Bonanza he used to commut
e
between his home at Gettysburg and Teterboro when he was President of
Columbia University, but have never found any proof of his ownership. It
is
quite possible that the Bonanza was a leased aircraft and he only used it
for
a very short time.
We have a small amount of D50 material at the Beechcraft Heritage Museum
and I will try to see what might be there next time I get to Tullahoma.
I have discussed the Eisenhower use of a T-Bone in Korea and the initial
use of a T-Bone for use to get to Camp David with several Beechcraft old
timers when I attended schools or sales events at the factory.
However, I know of no written documentation of the Mamie incident.
I am absolutely confident it occurred and that Ike did use a T-Bone for
at
least the first flying trip to Camp David.
By the way. Are you familiar with the use Colonel Robert R McCormick made
of an Aero Commander to commute from Wheaton, Illinois, to Chicago's Meigs
Field to work every day?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/6/2010 7:05:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
_barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk_ (mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk)
writes:
Hi again Bob,
Well, I=99m certainly no expert on military aviation and therefore
have no
reference material here that would be of any help.
However, within Air-Britain (Historians) we have Specialists in many
aspects of aviation and there is an online Forum called =9CAB-IX
=9D (Air-Britain
Information Exchange).
People can ask questions they are unable to resolve themselves and the
vast majority of them get answered by other people who have the required
knowledge or expertise.
I therefore posed a question yesterday as to whether President Eisenhower
had a Beech D-50 (L-23) at his disposal.
One guy replied that the only two items on Presidential aircraft that he
has available (American Aviation Historical Society, Issue 2 1963 and
Flying magazine, August 1990), make no mention of a Beech being used by
the
President.
Another guy, our Specialist on the Beech 18, doesn=99t remember see
ing any
reference to Eisenhower using a Twin Bonanza in Beech histories, literatu
re
or newsletters.
He did add though that the USAF did actually have at least one example of
the L-23. Designated as an XL-23C, 55-3465 c/n CH-123 "Long Tom", had
extended floating wing panels for an experimental project. Mfg 1955, proj
ect
ended 19Dec56.
This is from Dick Ward's book "Beechcraft Twin Bonanza" 1998.
As an aside, another guy says =9CI visited Weston Executive Airport
, just
outside Dublin, in June of 2008. On being accompanied around the hangars
my
colleagues and I were shown a Beech C-45H, G-BSZC , c/n AF258, Built 1952,
formerly N9541Z and 51-11701A. She was named Southern Comfort and carried
USAF under the port wing. We were told that this aircraft had been used
at
some time by President Eisenhower, and whilst I cannot vouch for the
authenticity of this story, we accepted the comment at face value at the
time.=9D
To this, our Beech 18 Specialist replied =9CI first came across thi
s claim
online and it accompanied a photo for sale of G-BSZC. They claimed that
it
belonged "to ex-president Eisenhower and flown by Paul Tibbet [sic Tibbet
s]
of Enola Gay WWII." I'm not sure if the claim is that Eisenhower flew in
it
while it was in service with SAC in the USAF and he was President
(1953-1961) or that he owned it as a civilian (he retired to a farm in Ge
ttysburg,
PA & died in Mar69). According to FAA files he didn't own it. Perhaps the
USAF log book shows he flew in it, that would be great if that could be
confirmed.=9D
So, Ike could have flown in a Beech D-50 (L-23), but I feel sure that one
was not set aside for his permanent use.
The Commanders were, of course, and were ordered for this specific purpos
e.
My feeling is that Army aircraft simply wouldn=99t have been used
and the
Commanders were operated by a unit within the USAF (1254th Air Transport
Group, 1298th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron. A sister unit,
the
1299th Air Transport (Special Missions) Squadron flew the President
=99s aides,
Secret Service personnel and foreign dignitaries.
However, if your sources are adamant that an L-23 was used, we in
Air-Britain would like to know more.
Does anybody have a copy of the book mentioned earlier (By Dick Ward,
"Beechcraft Twin Bonanza", from 1998.)
Surely, if Eisenhower had flown in an L-23, the book would highlight that
fact?
Best Regards,
Barry
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