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May 08, 2011 - September 30, 2011
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| From: | Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P from |
Michigan
Adam,=0A=0AThat was really excellent picture quality from a phone camera.
- What kind of a =0Aphone is it?=0A=0AI really enjoyed watching the video
as it made me nostalgic for the 500S I flew =0Afor 4 years (1000 hr.)-an
d sold last year.=0A=0AI am based in Michigan and if the maintenance costs
had risen so much in the =0Alast years after my mechanic moved, I would sti
ll have the aircraft.- Also it is =0Ahard to find hanger space for a plan
e with a 50' wing span and a 14.5' tail.=0A=0ALoved the plane and miss it t
erribly.- It is fun to fly my Apache but nothing =0Acompares to a Twin Co
mmander.=0A=0AEnjoy!!=0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__=0AFrom: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>=0ATo: commander-list@matro
nics.com=0ASent: Sat, May 7, 2011 8:41:06 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List:
Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P =0Afrom Michigan=0A=0A-->
Commander-List message posted by: Russell Legg =0A
=0AHi Adam,=0A=0AMany thx for sharing....nice Youtube!=0A=0ACheers=0A=0ARus
sell=0A=0A=0AOn 08/05/2011, at 2:43 AM, stratobee wrote:=0A=0A> --> Command
er-List message posted by: "stratobee" =0A> =0A> Hi gu
ys.=0A> =0A> I edited together some of the patchy footage from my phone fro
m the ferry back =0A>to California. Plane is still in Stockton, but making
progress and should be =0A>ready for pickup in about two weeks. =0A>=0A>
=0A> Here's the video:=0A> =0A> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1DrH1_LM
A=0A> =0A> The right engine's high oil consumption was due to a broken tach
gear =0A>attachement, so that was a relief. New brake system is in place a
nd most of the =0A>minor squawks have been taken care of. Left engine has a
cylinder showing low =0A>compression, but we're hoping it's just a stuck v
alve.=0A> =0A> Adam=0A> =0A> --------=0A> Adam=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read
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| Subject: | Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P from |
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI ADAM.Nice job, great to hear those geared Lycs again!! jb
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From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sat, May 7, 2011 10:13 am
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P
from Michigan
Hi guys.
I edited together some of the patchy footage from my phone from the ferry
back
o California. Plane is still in Stockton, but making progress and should
be
eady for pickup in about two weeks.
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1DrH1_LMA
The right engine's high oil consumption was due to a broken tach gear
ttachement, so that was a relief. New brake system is in place and most of
the
inor squawks have been taken care of. Left engine has a cylinder showing
low
ompression, but we're hoping it's just a stuck valve.
Adam
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| Subject: | Replacing seats.. |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi.
One of my goals in the future is to lighten my aircraft and clean her up significantly.
One of the things I want to do is to replace the seats for something better and
lighter. The low backrest and the 50's midriff seat belt I would like to replace
for a harness and something more snug and safe. So I was looking at these
super light, ultra strong car racing seats. What are the legalities of bolting
those onto the sliding frame of the seats in there now?
Is this a modification I could do, or do seats have to be certified and all the
rigmarole involved with that? 337?
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Replacing seats.. |
Adam=2C
Looked around myself several years ago at the seat situation=2C and other t
han new upholstry (from a legal standpoint) you are pretty much stuck with
what you have=2C unless of course you want to go "Experimental" and then i
nsurance is about impossible.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
> Subject: Commander-List: Replacing seats..
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri=2C 13 May 2011 06:14:41 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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> Hi.
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> One of my goals in the future is to lighten my aircraft and clean her up
significantly.
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> One of the things I want to do is to replace the seats for something bett
er and lighter. The low backrest and the 50's midriff seat belt I would lik
e to replace for a harness and something more snug and safe. So I was looki
ng at these super light=2C ultra strong car racing seats. What are the lega
lities of bolting those onto the sliding frame of the seats in there now?
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all the rigmarole involved with that? 337?
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| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
Moe Mills wrote:
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> Looked around myself several years ago at the seat situation, and
> other than new upholstry (from a legal standpoint) you are pretty
> much stuck with what you have, unless of course you want to go
> "Experimental" and then insurance is about impossible.
Sorry, but you can't just "go experimental" on a certified aircraft.
You can re license as "experimental R&D" or "experimental exhibition",
but either effectively renders the aircraft useless for general
operation. Both categories come with extreme operational limitations.
Totally different thing than "experimental, amateur built" where you can
do pretty much anything you want.
chris
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
How about getting a one-off STC? It's nuts that they would prohibit something that's
much safer than the old seats that are in there now.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
Adam,
Commander-aero.com has the cross the shoulder seat belts as a field approval.
I have seen dual over shoulder seat belts in some aircraft like the 500B that are
used by the forest service. That too may be a field approval and can be done.
Recovering the seats with the new foam goes a long way to contort.
Tylor Hall
On May 13, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Chris wrote:
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> Moe Mills wrote:
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>> Looked around myself several years ago at the seat situation, and other than
new upholstry (from a legal standpoint) you are pretty much stuck with what
you have, unless of course you want to go "Experimental" and then insurance is
about impossible.
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> Sorry, but you can't just "go experimental" on a certified aircraft. You can
re license as "experimental R&D" or "experimental exhibition", but either effectively
renders the aircraft useless for general operation. Both categories
come with extreme operational limitations. Totally different thing than "experimental,
amateur built" where you can do pretty much anything you want.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Actually, it seems like the FAA have agreed that shoulder harnesses are a safety
benefit and can be allowed as minor modification on aircrafts made before 1978.
http://www.121five.com/admin/FeatureArticles/Owner%20Performed%20Aircraft%20Maintenance.pdf
It states that as long as no alteration to the structure is done (drilling, welding)
then it's OK. In my case the belts attach to the bottom seat structure itself
and are not in any way attached to the airframe, so adding a harness using
the same attachment points should be possible.
That just leaves the seat.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI ADAM.Welome to the wonderful world of the FAA, where their motto "We're
not happy, until your not happy" prevails. You will soon find out that
the FAA is nothing about safety, they are all about control!! jb
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From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 5:33 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Replacing seats..
Actually, it seems like the FAA have agreed that shoulder harnesses are a
safety
enefit and can be allowed as minor modification on aircrafts made before
1978.
http://www.121five.com/admin/FeatureArticles/Owner%20Performed%20Aircraft%
20Maintenance.pdf
It states that as long as no alteration to the structure is done (drilling
,
elding) then it's OK. In my case the belts attach to the bottom seat struc
ture
tself and are not in any way attached to the airframe, so adding a harness
sing the same attachment points should be possible.
That just leaves the seat.
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| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Adam,
Buddy Windham (lurking on this list), had some really nice mods carried out on
the pilot seats in his 560E...higher backs etc etc.
He may be able to recall what processes he went through to get those certified
(I think through Commander Aero at Dayton).
Captain Windham...?
Cheers
Russell
On 14/05/2011, at 9:05 AM, stratobee wrote:
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that's much safer than the old seats that are in there now.
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| From: | Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Replacing seats.. |
We got a field approval for 400CH (or whatever the new n-number is) for
4-point harnesses on the front two seats. They consisted of a lap-belt
and a centrifugal lock on the shoulder belts that hid in the pocket on
the seat back. Very comfortable, useable, and clean.
Unfortunately, I don't have the manufacturer or any of the paperwork
anymore.
AFA the FAA rules preventing safety...shocking, isn't it?
Brock
stratobee wrote:
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> Actually, it seems like the FAA have agreed that shoulder harnesses are a safety
benefit and can be allowed as minor modification on aircrafts made before
1978.
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> http://www.121five.com/admin/FeatureArticles/Owner%20Performed%20Aircraft%20Maintenance.pdf
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> It states that as long as no alteration to the structure is done (drilling, welding)
then it's OK. In my case the belts attach to the bottom seat structure
itself and are not in any way attached to the airframe, so adding a harness using
the same attachment points should be possible.
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Hello Commander Colleagues,
My 680F is almost complete with its annual inspection, however we are in
need of some parts that are being elusive. Can anybody help out with the
following parts..??
Fitting Assembly (rudder bracket on tail) No. 541000S-119
Nitrogen pressure gauge (gear blow down system) No. 2850186
Oil Access Door (to check and add oil) No. 5260020-223
Fuel Sump Drain Valve No. 475C-45WP
Thanks very much. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
RANDY, IF THE GAGE IS THE SAME AS THE ONE ON A 500B (MARKED AT 350 LBS),
THEN NORTH EAST AIR IN PORTLAND MAINE QUOTED ONE ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO.
I HOPE YOU ARE SITTING DOWN !!! LIST PRICE WAS $1200.00. INSANITY FOR A
PART
WORTH $25.
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA<mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Need Parts
Hello Commander Colleagues,
My 680F is almost complete with its annual inspection, however we are
in need of some parts that are being elusive. Can anybody help out with
the following parts..??
Fitting Assembly (rudder bracket on tail) No. 541000S-119
Nitrogen pressure gauge (gear blow down system) No. 2850186
Oil Access Door (to check and add oil) No. 5260020-223
Fuel Sump Drain Valve No. 475C-45WP
Thanks very much. Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS............The 2011 Twin Commander Flight Group flyin will be held
(Drum roll please) at the famous Willow un airport in Detroit MI!!!!
Sept 15-18. This could be the best location yet with lots of cool stuff
planned including the Henry Ford Museum, Touting a real automotive assemb
ly plant and of course MOTOWN music, with all those great songs!! More in
fo soon, but those planning to fly in commercially can make plans to come
to Detroit. jb
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
JB=2C SUE=2C
MOST EXCELLENT! HAD PLANNED ON TRYING TO GET THERE THIS YEAR ANYHOW.
MOE MILLS
N68ORR
680F(P)
Subject: Commander-List: 2011 Fly in
Date: Tue=2C 24 May 2011 10:54:16 -0400
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
HI KIDS............The 2011 Twin Commander Flight Group flyin will be held
(Drum roll please) at the famous Willow un airport in Detroit MI!!!! S
ept 15-18. This could be the best location yet with lots of cool stuff pla
nned including the Henry Ford Museum=2C Touting a real automotive assembly
plant and of course MOTOWN music=2C with all those great songs!! More info
soon=2C but those planning to fly in commercially can make plans to come t
o Detroit. jb
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| From: | <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi JB & SB,
Great news...look forward to seeing you in September.
Cheers
Russell
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Good morning JB,
I am trying to locate a part for my 680F (Part No. 541000S-119) Fitting
Assembly. It is the flat bracket that connects to the tail and mates to
another bracket on the rudder. Do you know if that bracket is the same for
other Commanders such as the 500B..?? Do you know where I might get the
part..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680f / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Subject: Commander-List: 2011 Fly in
HI KIDS............The 2011 Twin Commander Flight Group flyin will be held
(Drum roll please) at the famous Willow un airport in Detroit MI!!!!
Sept 15-18. This could be the best location yet with lots of cool stuff
planned including the Henry Ford Museum, Touting a real automotive assembly
plant and of course MOTOWN music, with all those great songs!! More info
soon, but those planning to fly in commercially can make plans to come to
Detroit. jb
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| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Commander Colleagues,
Thanks for all your assistance in finding needed parts for my 680F. With
excellent help from Geoffrey at Twin Commander Aircraft Corp, we were able
to track down the elusive parts. N6253X will be back in the air soon.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
I'll try to get there, although it's a long ride from CA!
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| Subject: | Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P from |
Michigan
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi.
It was an iPhone.
Also, N527P is no longer. She is now N20VE, named after my mother Tove (geddit?).
Dear old mum is still alive so it's not an epitaph, just a gesture. Also, I
was never too happy with 527P as it didn't really roll of the tongue easily.
20VE is a much faster and clearer callsign. I prefer letter heavy callsigns to
numerics heavy anyway - I think they're easier to distinguish and less likely
to get confused.
Aircraft has been struggling a bit with her front gear retraction geometry, but
will hopefully be lifting me skywards soon with a snug fit.
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P |
from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P
from Michigan
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Jun 2011 15:38:54 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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> Hi.
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e (geddit?). Dear old mum is still alive so it's not an epitaph=2C just a g
esture. Also=2C I was never too happy with 527P as it didn't really roll of
the tongue easily. 20VE is a much faster and clearer callsign. I prefer le
tter heavy callsigns to numerics heavy anyway - I think they're easier to d
istinguish and less likely to get confused.
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> Aircraft has been struggling a bit with her front gear retraction geometr
y=2C but will hopefully be lifting me skywards soon with a snug fit.
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| Subject: | Bob Hoover article |
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I'd certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could get hold
of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for
N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I'd certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could get
hold of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
To: Com; Nigel Tait
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell
for N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the
June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there
is a two page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover article |
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Thursday=2C June 02=2C 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe=2C
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not=2C can anybody else?
I=92d certainly be interested to see it=2C but am not sure if I could get h
old of a copy over here!
Best Regards=2C
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N52
7P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gary Wilson <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Me too, please
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 2, 2011, at 4:01 PM, Moe Mills wrote:
> I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
>
> MOE
> N680RR
> 680f(P)
>
>
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
>
> Me too.
> Tom
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Collman
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
>
> Hi Moe,
>
>
>
> Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
>
> If not, can anybody else?
>
>
>
> I=99d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could g
et hold of a copy over here!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
> Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
> To: Com; Nigel Tait
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N5
27P from Michigan
>
>
>
> Commander Drivers:
>
> There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the Jun
e Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover article |
Me too, Moe! Thanks!!!!
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I'd certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could get hold
of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for
N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
| From: | Alan Kucheck <akucheck(at)gmail.com> |
This link should work...
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106/?pg=26&pm=2&u1
=friend
thanks,
ak
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
> Me too, Moe! Thanks!!!!
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe Mills
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
> *To:* Com
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
>
>
> I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
>
> MOE
> N680RR
> 680f(P)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
>
> Me too.
>
> Tom
>
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> *To:* commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
>
> *Subject:* Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
>
>
> Hi Moe,
>
>
> Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
>
> If not, can anybody else?
>
>
> I=92d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could get h
old
> of a copy over here!
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Moe Mills
> *Sent:* 02 June 2011 14:48
> *To:* Com; Nigel Tait
> *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for
> N527P from Michigan
>
>
> Commander Drivers:
>
> There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the Ju
ne
> Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a tw
o
> page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.ma
tronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
>
> *href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/
c*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
>
> *ttp://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List*
>
> **
>
> **
>
> *http://forums.matronics.com*
>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <nick(at)container.com> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover article |
"great stuff!"
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Kucheck
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
This link should work...
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106/?pg=26
<http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106/?pg=26&pm=2&u1=frie
nd> &pm=2&u1=friend
thanks,
ak
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Vormbaum wrote:
Me too, Moe! Thanks!!!!
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
_____
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I'd certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could get hold
of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for
N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Yes, me too, please! Thanks, Moe.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe Mills
To: Com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I=92d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could
get hold of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
To: Com; Nigel Tait
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell
for N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in
the June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly
there is a two page spread diagram showing his energy management
routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
| From: | todd(at)hindmarsh.us |
And me too, thanks!
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sender: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:38:59
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Alan,
That link works.
Moe,
When we going flying next to thy this ???
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron St. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Alan Kucheck wrote:
> This link should work...
>
>
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106/?pg=26&pm=2&u1
=friend
>
> thanks,
>
> ak
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Vormbaum
wrote:
> Me too, Moe! Thanks!!!!
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: Com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
>
>
> I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
>
> MOE
> N680RR
> 680f(P)
>
>
>
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
>
> Me too.
>
> Tom
>
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Barry Collman
>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
>
> Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
>
>
> Hi Moe,
>
>
> Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
>
> If not, can anybody else?
>
>
> I=92d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could
get hold of a copy over here!
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
> Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
> To: Com; Nigel Tait
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell
for N527P from Michigan
>
>
> Commander Drivers:
>
> There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the
June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there
is a two page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>
>
> st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
>
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Sorry, Moe, ignore my request please...I took it from the link.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Yes, me too, please! Thanks, Moe.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe Mills
To: Com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I=92d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I
could get hold of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
To: Com; Nigel Tait
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN &
farewell for N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in
the June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly
there is a two page spread diagram showing his energy management
routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Thanks, Alan, it does work.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Kucheck
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
This link should work...
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201106/?pg=26&pm=2&u
1=friend
thanks,
ak
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Vormbaum
wrote:
Me too, Moe! Thanks!!!!
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:01 PM
To: Com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I=92d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I
could get hold of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
To: Com; Nigel Tait
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN &
farewell for N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in
the June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly
there is a two page spread diagram showing his energy management
routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c st"
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover article |
Ok floks=2C
Did everyone get the link for the article? It actually works better than m
y scan. Among other things Sport Avaition is not a standard width magazine
(wider than the glass on my scanner). If anyone still needs a copy emaile
d to them let me know.
Tyler=2C may be a while before we go flying=2C my girlfriend is a pretty go
od co-pilot=2C and needless to say the ramp presence is much better when sh
e is in the right seat. Maybe when Crider finishes the paint job in August
we will fly=2C as then N680RR should look passable evan with you and me in
it.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2011 14:01:23 -0600
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Thursday=2C June 02=2C 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe=2C
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not=2C can anybody else?
I=92d certainly be interested to see it=2C but am not sure if I could get h
old of a copy over here!
Best Regards=2C
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N52
7P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Moe,
Purple is so striking?
What color? The airplane and not the girl friends hair.
:)
Tylor
On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Moe Mills wrote:
> Ok floks,
>
> Did everyone get the link for the article? It actually works better
than my scan. Among other things Sport Avaition is not a standard width
magazine (wider than the glass on my scanner). If anyone still needs a
copy emailed to them let me know.
>
> Tyler, may be a while before we go flying, my girlfriend is a pretty
good co-pilot, and needless to say the ramp presence is much better when
she is in the right seat. Maybe when Crider finishes the paint job in
August we will fly, as then N680RR should look passable evan with you
and me in it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
> From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:01:23 -0600
>
> I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
>
> MOE
> N680RR
> 680f(P)
>
>
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
>
> Me too.
> Tom
> C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barry Collman
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
> If not, can anybody else?
>
> I=92d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could
get hold of a copy over here!
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
> Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
> To: Com; Nigel Tait
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell
for N527P from Michigan
>
> Commander Drivers:
>
> There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the
June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there
is a two page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
>
> Regards,
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
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>
>
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>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover article |
Moe , I `m wanting to get my 680 painted soon . Does Crider do good work ?
I know paint schemes vary as well as cost . What would be an estimate cost
in your opinion ? Thanks Gil
In a message dated 6/2/2011 6:36:41 P.M. Central America Standard Ti,
tylorhall(at)mac.com writes:
Moe,
Purple is so striking?
What color? The airplane and not the girl friends hair.
:)
Tylor
On Jun 2, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Moe Mills wrote:
Ok floks,
Did everyone get the link for the article? It actually works better than
my scan. Among other things Sport Avaition is not a standard width
magazine (wider than the glass on my scanner). If anyone still needs a co
py
emailed to them let me know.
Tyler, may be a while before we go flying, my girlfriend is a pretty good
co-pilot, and needless to say the ramp presence is much better when she is
in the right seat. Maybe when Crider finishes the paint job in August we
will fly, as then N680RR should look passable evan with you and me in it.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
____________________________________
From: _moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com_ (mailto:moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com)
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:01:23 -0600
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
____________________________________
From: _tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca_ (mailto:tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca)
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: _Barry Collman_ (mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk)
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe,
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not, can anybody else?
I=99d certainly be interested to see it, but am not sure if I could
get hold
of a copy over here!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: _owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com)
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for
N527P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the
June Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is
a
two page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List)
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover article |
Gill=2C
Roger at Criders spoke to our group a few years ago in Texas. They come hi
ghly recommended from John Towner who has had several Commanders painted th
ere. Depending on how complicated your paint scheme is it will cost you a
bout $ 15=2C000.00 to $ 16=2C000.00 using Jet Glow paint. They are in Mena
=2C Arkansas and he said that they will need the plane for about three week
s. I am having a very simple scheme=2C white with a purple stripe=2C done a
nd then I will finish the graphics=2C N number and so fourth myself=2C as I
still have a vinal cutter/plotter=2C and I enjoy doing stuff like that. R
oger's phone is (479) 394-0111=2C or you can check out my=2C by then=2C new
paint scheme at the flyin at Detroit this fall.
Tyler=2C
Purple hair adds no cool points on the tarmac=2C only at the local rock and
stomp bar=2C which may be the reason that I don't drink very much.
Regards=2C
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2011 22:33:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Moe =2C I `m wanting to get my 680 painted soon . Does Crider do good work
? I know paint schemes vary as well as cost . What would be an estimate cos
t in your opinion ? Thanks Gil
In a message dated 6/2/2011 6:36:41 P.M. Central America Standard Ti=2C tyl
orhall(at)mac.com writes:
Moe=2C
Purple is so striking?
What color? The airplane and not the girl friends hair.
:)
Tylor
On Jun 2=2C 2011=2C at 6:11 PM=2C Moe Mills wrote:
Ok floks=2C
Did everyone get the link for the article? It actually works better than m
y scan. Among other things Sport Avaition is not a standard width magazine
(wider than the glass on my scanner). If anyone still needs a copy emaile
d to them let me know.
Tyler=2C may be a while before we go flying=2C my girlfriend is a pretty go
od co-pilot=2C and needless to say the ramp presence is much better when sh
e is in the right seat. Maybe when Crider finishes the paint job in August
we will fly=2C as then N680RR should look passable evan with you and me in
it.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2011 14:01:23 -0600
I CAN DO THAT IN A DAY OR TWO. ANYONE ELSE?
MOE
N680RR
680f(P)
From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2011 08:00:35 -0700
Me too.
Tom
C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Thursday=2C June 02=2C 2011 7:03 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hoover article
Hi Moe=2C
Will it be possible to scan it to .pdf format and email it to me?
If not=2C can anybody else?
I=92d certainly be interested to see it=2C but am not sure if I could get h
old of a copy over here!
Best Regards=2C
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: 02 June 2011 14:48
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N52
7P from Michigan
Commander Drivers:
There is a very good article about Bob Hoover and his Commander in the June
Edition of Sport Aviation (EAA HOUSE ORGAN). Interestingly there is a two
page spread diagram showing his energy management routine.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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tribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
Hello All "Down under",
I see that Model 500A, s/n 500A-1274-97, in New Zealand as ZK-DCF, had its
Registration Cancelled by their CAA as "registration revoked" on April 13th.
Last I knew of this one, it was at Sydney-Bankstown airport, Australia in
December 2001.
Does anyone know of its current status?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
Happy Birthday Nico! Hope your day is good.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Thompson" <richard(at)flycorp.com.au> |
| Subject: | New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
Hi Barry,
Hows life in UK?
Was in London and Paris a couple of weeks ago. Just passed through London.
DCF is still sitting in the hangar that CAX spent many years.
Nothing much has happened. Spoke to Bill Hamilton who owns her a couple of
week back.
Seems that Bruce Simpson has become involved in the plane. Hopefully things
will happen.
I would really like to see her fly again.
Will get you some pics when I next go down there.
Cheers
Richard & Jaqui
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2011 2:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF
Hello All "Down under",
I see that Model 500A, s/n 500A-1274-97, in New Zealand as ZK-DCF, had its
Registration Cancelled by their CAA as "registration revoked" on April 13th.
Last I knew of this one, it was at Sydney-Bankstown airport, Australia in
December 2001.
Does anyone know of its current status?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Thank you, Andrew. My girls are spoiling me rotten. I'ts just the way I like
it. :-D
Thank you for remembering. Give our regards to your family, too.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Birthday
Happy Birthday Nico! Hope your day is good.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
Hi Richard,
Life is pretty good thanks!
OK - thanks for the up-date on 'DCF.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Thompson
Sent: 03 June 2011 08:24
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF
Hi Barry,
Hows life in UK?
Was in London and Paris a couple of weeks ago. Just passed through London.
DCF is still sitting in the hangar that CAX spent many years.
Nothing much has happened. Spoke to Bill Hamilton who owns her a couple of
week back.
Seems that Bruce Simpson has become involved in the plane. Hopefully things
will happen.
I would really like to see her fly again.
Will get you some pics when I next go down there.
Cheers
Richard & Jaqui
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Sunday, 5 June 2011 2:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF
Hello All "Down under",
I see that Model 500A, s/n 500A-1274-97, in New Zealand as ZK-DCF, had its
Registration Cancelled by their CAA as "registration revoked" on April 13th.
Last I knew of this one, it was at Sydney-Bankstown airport, Australia in
December 2001.
Does anyone know of its current status?
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
Barry,
The aircraft is at Bankstown, YSBK, it will shortly be re-registered in Australia
( although VH-DCF is not available) and we are about to embark on a major refurbishment.
Provided there are no showstoppers (unknown corrosion that may turn
up) it should be back in the air in about 18 months.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello All "Down under",
>
>
>
> I see that Model 500A, s/n 500A-1274-97, in New Zealand as ZK-DCF, had
> its
> Registration Cancelled by their CAA as "registration revoked" on April
> 13th.
>
> Last I knew of this one, it was at Sydney-Bankstown airport, Australia
> in
> December 2001.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of its current status?
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
Hi Bill,
That's good news and useful info for me.
Grateful thanks for letting me know.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J
Hamilton
Sent: 06 June 2011 12:06
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF
-->
Barry,
The aircraft is at Bankstown, YSBK, it will shortly be re-registered in
Australia ( although VH-DCF is not available) and we are about to embark on
a major refurbishment. Provided there are no showstoppers (unknown corrosion
that may turn up) it should be back in the air in about 18 months.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------
> Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello All "Down under",
>
>
>
> I see that Model 500A, s/n 500A-1274-97, in New Zealand as ZK-DCF, had
> its Registration Cancelled by their CAA as "registration revoked" on
> April 13th.
>
> Last I knew of this one, it was at Sydney-Bankstown airport, Australia
> in December 2001.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know of its current status?
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Good morning Commander fans..!!
Well, it happened again - some linesperson failed to properly secure the gas
cap on the right outboard gas tank, and it flew the coop. Anybody have a
used cap for my 680F..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Randy=2C
Jack Chappell had a bunch of replacements=2C Kristi Stell might still have
some of them (714) 609.3608. This may be a little late=2C but the caps ha
d a chain on them orriginally=2C and I replaced the chains with stainless c
able (much more reliable).
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net
Subject: Commander-List: Gas Cap
Date: Sun=2C 19 Jun 2011 07:42:47 -0700
Good morning Commander fans..!!
Well=2C it happened again ' some linesperson failed to properly secure th
e gas cap on the right outboard gas tank=2C and it flew the coop. Anybody
have a used cap for my 680F..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer=2C AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo=2C CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Thanks Moe,
I will give Kristi a call.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Gas Cap
Hi Randy,
Jack Chappell had a bunch of replacements, Kristi Stell might still have
some of them (714) 609.3608. This may be a little late, but the caps had a
chain on them orriginally, and I replaced the chains with stainless cable
(much more reliable).
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
_____
From: rcdettmer(at)charter.net
Subject: Commander-List: Gas Cap
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:42:47 -0700
Good morning Commander fans..!!
Well, it happened again - some linesperson failed to properly secure the gas
cap on the right outboard gas tank, and it flew the coop. Anybody have a
used cap for my 680F..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
Time to put a chain on it.
Tom.
former C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 7:42 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Gas Cap
Good morning Commander fans..!!
Well, it happened again - some linesperson failed to properly secure
the gas cap on the right outboard gas tank, and it flew the coop.
Anybody have a used cap for my 680F..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com> |
A chain on what? The pre-flight checklist? :-)
(sorry, Randy, I couldn't resist)
(even though I could stop now, without sending)
(apparently I didn't)
Tom Fisher wrote:
> Time to put a chain on it.
> Tom.
> former C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 7:42 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Gas Cap
>
>
> Good morning Commander fans..!!
>
> Well, it happened again - some linesperson failed to properly secure the gas
cap on the right outboard gas tank, and it flew the coop. Anybody have a used
cap for my 680F..?? Thanks very much.
>
>
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
>
> 663 Hill Street
>
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>
> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Vormbaum <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
Brock, that's no joke. Someone actually STOLE my checklists when my airplane
got fixed in scottsdale. A chain would have been a welcome addition.
I highly recommend the Commander Aero fuel cap upgrade. Morris did mine a
few years ago and I've been problem free.
On Jun 19, 2011 5:08 PM, "Brock Lorber" wrote:
blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
>
> A chain on what? The pre-flight checklist? :-)
>
> (sorry, Randy, I couldn't resist)
>
> (even though I could stop now, without sending)
>
> (apparently I didn't)
>
> Tom Fisher wrote:
>> Time to put a chain on it.
>> Tom.
>> former C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 7:42 AM
>> Subject: Commander-List: Gas Cap
>>
>>
>> Good morning Commander fans..!!
>>
>> Well, it happened again - some linesperson failed to properly secure the
gas cap on the right outboard gas tank, and it flew the coop. Anybody have a
used cap for my 680F..?? Thanks very much.
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy Dettmer, AIA
>>
>> 680F / N6253X
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dettmer Architecture
>>
>> 663 Hill Street
>>
>> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
>>
>> 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
>>
>> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P from |
Michigan
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Fellow forumites, friends, Commandeerers.
Here's a little video I cut together from last week as we finalised 20VE up in
Stockton. Did a couple of high speed taxis and two test flights. First time the
governors were not adjusted correctly and we returned after a short tour, but
after some tweaking on last flight she flew like a dream! N2705B also makes
a guest appearance towards the end - that's a good clean looking 560. Not a fading
paint job like mine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjP_qtyplk
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | "ratherbflying" <bobl(at)myschoolbucks.com> |
I am considering a mid 70s 500S as my next aircraft. It will be used purely for
personal/family useno write offs. My mission is 1) Play (I enjoy flying!),
and 2) regular trips of 229, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are 5500 to 11,000ft
and elevations from SL to 4415msl.
I have several questions for the group:
Conklin and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not include fixed
costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states $275.40 per hour
which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel consumption if the 45 is
not correct? Related to the aforementioned question, can anyone shed light
on what you experience for variable operating costs for a well maintained Shrike
in excellent condition?
What is the market energy for a piston Twin Commander and specifically for a Shrike?
I ask, since at some point down the road, it will be resold. Is it a cult
airplane with limited prospects for buyers?
For a currently well maintained Shrike with no deferred maintenance, how reliable
are the systems, i.e. hydraulics, the 290HP Lycs or other?
Can anyone share the experience of owning a 500 series vs. other light twins such
as Baron or Seneca or other?
Any issue with parts availabilitywhat happens if you encounter hangar rash on a
tail, etc?
A difficult question, but is there any way to compare the safety of the Shrike
or 500X with other light twins? Realizing that 80% of the time, stupid pilot
tricks are usually the reason for accidents, is the Shrike or 500 better or worse
than other light twins, i.e. say an engine failure on TO or are there any
other areas where the plane will bite or where it is better than other light twins?
Any issues with flying out of higher elevation airports (mentioned above). My typical
payload is 500 lbs of people and stuff.
Any other thoughts...what you like most about the 500's?
I realize I have asked a lot of questions, but answers to any or all questions
is appreciatedand thank you in advance!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344534#344534
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | Jmgfallstrom <jmgfallstrom(at)aol.com> |
Dear RBF,
As to any well maintained post 1958 500 piston Commander- For safety and fo
rgiveness - for beauty and view - for cost and value in reference to the 4
former attributes mentioned herein - these aircraft should be selling for t
wice what the current market offers them up for - they are a religious expe
rience to fly - and a blessing to land
In re any comparable twin aircraft - with the exception of the Douglas DC-3
- none exist - jg
-----Original Message-----
From: ratherbflying <bobl(at)myschoolbucks.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 6:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
om>
I am considering a mid 70=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s 500S as my next aircraft. It
will be used purely
or personal/family use=C3=A2=C2=C2no write offs. My =C3=A2=C2=C2
=9Cmission=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D is 1) Play (I enjoy
lying!), and 2) regular trips of 229, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are 550
0 to
1,000ft and elevations from SL to 4415msl.
I have several questions for the group:
Conklin and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not include
ixed costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states $275.40
per
our which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel consumption if the 4
5 is
ot correct? Related to the aforementioned question, can anyone shed light
on
hat you experience for variable operating costs for a well maintained Shrik
e in
xcellent condition?
What is the market =C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cenergy=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D for a piston
Twin Commander and specifically for
Shrike? I ask, since at some point down the road, it will be resold. Is
it a
=C2=C2=9Ccult=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D airplane with limited prospects for buye
rs?
For a currently well maintained Shrike with no deferred maintenance, how
eliable are the systems, i.e. hydraulics, the 290HP Lyc=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s
or other?
Can anyone share the experience of owning a 500 series vs. other light twin
s
uch as Baron or Seneca or other?
Any issue with parts availability=C3=A2=C2=C2what happens if you enco
unter hangar rash on
tail, etc=C3=A2=C2=C2?
A difficult question, but is there any way to compare the safety of the Shr
ike
r 500X with other light twins? Realizing that 80% of the time, =C3=A2=C2
=C2=9Cstupid pilot
ricks=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D are usually the reason for accidents, is the Shrike
or 500 better or
orse than other light twins, i.e. say an engine failure on TO or are there
any
ther areas where the plane will bite or where it is better than other light
wins?
Any issues with flying out of higher elevation airports (mentioned above).
My
ypical payload is 500 lbs of people and stuff.
Any other thoughts...what you like most about the 500's?
I realize I have asked a lot of questions, but answers to any or all questi
ons
s appreciated=C3=A2=C2=C2and thank you in advance!
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| From: | Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Dear RBF,=0A=0AThis couldn't have been said any more eloquently.=0A=0AAll I
can add is a big AMEN.=0A=0AI flew a 1970 500S for 4 years and 1000 hours.
- It flys and lands like a heavy =0A172.- It is very forgiving and abso
lutely no surprises in flight =0Acharacteristics.- The lycs 540's perform
ed and held up well for a ham fisted =0Apilot like me.- The geared engine
s wouldn't have survived a single flight in my =0Ahands.=0A=0AThe only nega
tive is one has to be related to the mechanic either by marriage or =0Afrie
ndship as the maintenance, even on a well maintained one can kill the =0Are
ligious experience.- One cannot be faint of heart financially.=0A=0AFuel
burn was a consistent 34 gal./hr.- I made the supreme mistake of putting
a =0Ahobby (the 500S) on a spreadsheet and $500/hr. less fuel is very reali
stic.=0A=0AAs a side note.- My former 500S is again for sale by the same
broker that sold =0Ait a year ago.- And, yes, I sold it for 1/2 of what i
t was worth but the last 2 =0Aannuals were $22K followed by $14K.=0A=0ANow
I puddle along in my "57 Apache at 30% less speed and and nearly 1/3 the
=0Acost but this time I'm not counting.=0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________=0AFrom: Jmgfallstrom <jmgfallstrom(at)aol.com>=0ATo: commander-
list(at)matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, June 30, 2011 10:38:42 PM=0ASubject: Re: Co
mmander-List: Considering a 500S....=0A=0ADear RBF,=0A=0A=0AAs to any well
maintained post 1958 500 piston Commander- For safety and =0Aforgiveness -
for beauty and view - for cost and value in reference to the 4 =0Aformer at
tributes mentioned herein - these aircraft should be selling for twice =0Aw
hat the current market offers them up for - they are a religious experience
to =0Afly - and a blessing to land=0A=0AIn re any comparable twin aircraft
- with the exception of the Douglas DC-3 - =0Anone exist - jg=0A=0A=0A=0A
-=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: ratherbflying <bobl@myschool
bucks.com>=0ATo: commander-list =0ASent: Thu,
Jun 30, 2011 6:53 pm=0ASubject: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....=0A
ucks.com> =0AI am considering a mid 70s 500S as my next aircraft. It
will be used purely =0Afor personal/family useno write offs. My
mission is 1) Play (I enjoy =0Aflying!), and 2) regular trips of 22
9, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are 5500 to =0A11,000ft and elevations f
rom SL to 4415msl. I have several questions for the =0Agroup: Conkli
n and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not =0Ainclude
fixed costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states =0A$275
.40 per hour which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel =0Aconsum
ption if the 45 is not correct? Related to the aforementioned question,
=0Acan anyone shed light on what you experience for variable operating co
sts for =0Aa well maintained Shrike in excellent condition? What is t
he market =0Aenergy for a piston Twin Commander and specifically for
a Shrike? I ask, =0Asince at some point down the road, it will be resold.
Is it a cult =0Aairplane with limited prospects for buyers?
For a currently well maintained =0AShrike with no deferred maintenance, ho
w reliable are the systems, i.e. =0Ahydraulics, the 290HP Lycs or othe
r? Can anyone share the experience of =0Aowning a 500 series vs. othe
r light twins such as Baron or Seneca or other? =0AAny issue with par
ts availabilitywhat happens if you encounter hangar rash on =0Aa ta
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r accidents, is the =0AShrike or 500 better or worse than other light twi
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Any issues with flying out of higher =0Aelevation airports (mentioned abo
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Considering a 500S.... |
I operated my straight 500 out of Wonderboom in South Africa (FAWB) which is at
4100' ASL on a regular basis. I also owned a Twin Comanche on which I had an
engine failure on takeoff which turned out to be a non-event, having flown a circuit
and returned for landing. I never had an engine failure on the 500, but
I did check it's single engine capability at 7,000' during some single engine
workouts and it held altitude with about 100 gals and two people on board.
If loaded to the max at high-altitude airports, I'd fly it like a single with a
bit of additional options using the live motor to extend my glide a little bit
if needed, but otherwise you should be fine provided you stay current and fluent
on the emergency procedures. You must be like a maestro and let your hands
dance over the controls when there is no time to recite poetry, if you know
what I mean.
My dream ship has always been a Shrike and one day I'll be able to afford one provided
it has turbo normalization. I flew a 680FP for a couple of hours and enjoyed
it tremendously, however, it always felt like I married the wrong women
longing for the Shrike, in spite of the 680's wild performance with the geared
motors.
I always imagine a Shrike with 350's and turbo's (Merlin?) and her shaking with
raw power in a climb. My straight 500 had a vibration in the climb that made
me believe that it's raw power that exudes through her body, but I knew it was
something out of balance and if I imagined an additional 1,000 feet per minute
to her climb like a not-so-homesick-angel she was.
Oh, well. It was a glorious time, especially climbing out of a stratus layer of
fog into a very early morning climbout, seeing a sunrise that no other earth-bound
soul could see. It made me feel special and it was as if I could hear ZS-CLZ
grown with pleasure knowing that her utmost effort gave me emmense pleasure.
She enjoyed it, too.
Sigh.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ratherbflying
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
-->
I am considering a mid 70s 500S as my next aircraft. It will be used purely for
personal/family useno write offs. My mission is 1) Play (I enjoy flying!),
and 2) regular trips of 229, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are 5500 to 11,000ft
and elevations from SL to 4415msl.
I have several questions for the group:
Conklin and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not include fixed
costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states $275.40 per hour
which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel consumption if the 45 is
not correct? Related to the aforementioned question, can anyone shed light
on what you experience for variable operating costs for a well maintained Shrike
in excellent condition?
What is the market energy for a piston Twin Commander and specifically for a Shrike?
I ask, since at some point down the road, it will be resold. Is it a cult
airplane with limited prospects for buyers?
For a currently well maintained Shrike with no deferred maintenance, how reliable
are the systems, i.e. hydraulics, the 290HP Lycs or other?
Can anyone share the experience of owning a 500 series vs. other light twins such
as Baron or Seneca or other?
Any issue with parts availabilitywhat happens if you encounter hangar rash on a
tail, etc?
A difficult question, but is there any way to compare the safety of the Shrike
or 500X with other light twins? Realizing that 80% of the time, stupid pilot
tricks are usually the reason for accidents, is the Shrike or 500 better or worse
than other light twins, i.e. say an engine failure on TO or are there any
other areas where the plane will bite or where it is better than other light twins?
Any issues with flying out of higher elevation airports (mentioned above). My typical
payload is 500 lbs of people and stuff.
Any other thoughts...what you like most about the 500's?
I realize I have asked a lot of questions, but answers to any or all questions
is appreciatedand thank you in advance!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344534#344534
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Since the spiritual and erotic aspect of Commander ownership is being cove
red so well, I'm going to take a different approach.
You're obviously comparing the Commander to its competition. When doing
so, ask the following questions:
Which design has the best one engine inoperative handling?
Which design allows access to ALL the fuel in an O.E.I. scenario?
Which design's emergency gear extension procedure is the same as normal ge
ar extension?
Which design would you want to shoot an ILS in while doing an emergency ge
ar extension?
Which design has its C.G. move FORWARD (the safer C.G. shift) with fuel bu
rn ?
Oh - and don't be bamboozled by rate of climb with one engine inoperative.
Note that they all have about the same O.E.I. climb gradient when you lo
ok at R.O.C. at their respective Vyse.
The only thing that is going to help any piston airplane with high and hot
take-off performance is turbo normalization, boosting, or super charging.
Nico's philosophy on high/hot departures is spot on.
I will not speak to the cost of operation; it's nothing a sane man would
do. They're all bloody expensive and all of the piston twins are looking
at "aging aircraft" issues that level the playing field so go for handli
ng qualities in normal and abnormal flight regimes.
I've tossed some questions at you so you can, in turn, flip them on the sa
lesmen trying to sell you other products. See what answers you get.
I was an AeroStar demo pilot for a number of years (B.C. -- Before Command
er) and I demo'd against Beech, Piper and Cessna products. I always won.
It was after that stint that I worked backwards along the Ted Smith time
line and came to understand his design philosophy through the Aero Comman
der line.
It's utterly unique in the world of production aircraft.
Keith S. Gordon
aka Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: cybersuperstore <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 10:46 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
ore.com>
I operated my straight 500 out of Wonderboom in South Africa (FAWB) which
is at
4100' ASL on a regular basis. I also owned a Twin Comanche on which I had
an
engine failure on takeoff which turned out to be a non-event, having flown
a
circuit and returned for landing. I never had an engine failure on the 500
, but
I did check it's single engine capability at 7,000' during some single eng
ine
workouts and it held altitude with about 100 gals and two people on board.
If loaded to the max at high-altitude airports, I'd fly it like a single
with a
bit of additional options using the live motor to extend my glide a little
bit
if needed, but otherwise you should be fine provided you stay current and
fluent
on the emergency procedures. You must be like a maestro and let your hands
dance
over the controls when there is no time to recite poetry, if you know what
I
mean.
My dream ship has always been a Shrike and one day I'll be able to afford
one
provided it has turbo normalization. I flew a 680FP for a couple of hours
and
enjoyed it tremendously, however, it always felt like I married the wrong
women
longing for the Shrike, in spite of the 680's wild performance with the ge
ared
motors.
I always imagine a Shrike with 350's and turbo's (Merlin?) and her shaking
with
raw power in a climb. My straight 500 had a vibration in the climb that ma
de me
believe that it's raw power that exudes through her body, but I knew it wa
s
something out of balance and if I imagined an additional 1,000 feet per mi
nute
to her climb like a not-so-homesick-angel she was.
Oh, well. It was a glorious time, especially climbing out of a stratus lay
er of
fog into a very early morning climbout, seeing a sunrise that no other
earth-bound soul could see. It made me feel special and it was as if I cou
ld
hear ZS-CLZ grown with pleasure knowing that her utmost effort gave me emm
ense
pleasure. She enjoyed it, too.
Sigh.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com]
On Behalf Of ratherbflying
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:50 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
-->
I am considering a mid 70=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s 500S as my next aircraf
t. It will be used purely
for personal/family use=C3=A2=82=AC=C2no write offs. My =C3=A2
=82=AC=C5=93mission=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D is 1) Play (I enjoy
flying!), and 2) regular trips of 229, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are
5500 to
11,000ft and elevations from SL to 4415msl.
I have several questions for the group:
Conklin and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not includ
e
fixed costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states $275.4
0 per
hour which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel consumption if the
45 is
not correct? Related to the aforementioned question, can anyone shed ligh
t on
what you experience for variable operating costs for a well maintained Shr
ike in
excellent condition?
What is the market =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93energy=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D for a
piston Twin Commander and specifically for
a Shrike? I ask, since at some point down the road, it will be resold.
Is it a
=C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93cult=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D airplane with limited prosp
ects for buyers?
For a currently well maintained Shrike with no deferred maintenance, how
reliable are the systems, i.e. hydraulics, the 290HP Lyc=C3=A2=82=AC
=84=A2s or other?
Can anyone share the experience of owning a 500 series vs. other light twi
ns
such as Baron or Seneca or other?
Any issue with parts availability=C3=A2=82=AC=C2what happens if you
encounter hangar rash on
a tail, etc=C3=A2=82=AC=C2?
A difficult question, but is there any way to compare the safety of the Sh
rike
or 500X with other light twins? Realizing that 80% of the time, =C3=A2
=82=AC=C5=93stupid pilot
tricks=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D are usually the reason for accidents, is the
Shrike or 500 better or
worse than other light twins, i.e. say an engine failure on TO or are ther
e any
other areas where the plane will bite or where it is better than other lig
ht
twins?
Any issues with flying out of higher elevation airports (mentioned above).
My
typical payload is 500 lbs of people and stuff.
Any other thoughts...what you like most about the 500's?
I realize I have asked a lot of questions, but answers to any or all quest
ions
is appreciated=C3=A2=82=AC=C2and thank you in advance!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344534#344534
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | "Cate Chagnot" <cchagnot(at)ultimateair.com> |
Are you beginning to see a pattern here? Owning an Aero Commander is definitely
a cult......
ALL HAIL TED SMITH! :-)
--------
Cate
N4278S 680E
Skywagon N180PK
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| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
I have not flown a Shrike let alone owned one, but offer this: what
other business-class piston twin would you see this sort of
both-engines-out performance in the hands of a master pilot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE&feature=related
There may be others, but I haven't seen any other pilot perform this
sort of routine, and I haven't seen Bob Hoover perform his routine in
any other business-class piston twin.
You're right JG, there is no comparison, although I offer my opinion
that comparing the Twin Commander to the Dak is a little unfair--to both
aircraft.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jmgfallstrom
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
Dear RBF,
As to any well maintained post 1958 500 piston Commander- For safety
and forgiveness - for beauty and view - for cost and value in reference
to the 4 former attributes mentioned herein - these aircraft should be
selling for twice what the current market offers them up for - they are
a religious experience to fly - and a blessing to land
In re any comparable twin aircraft - with the exception of the Douglas
DC-3 - none exist - jg
-----Original Message-----
From: ratherbflying <bobl(at)myschoolbucks.com>
To: commander-list
Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 6:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
I am considering a mid 70=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s 500S as my next aircraft.
It will be used purely
for personal/family use=C3=A2=C2=C2no write offs. My
=C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cmission=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D is 1) Play (I enjoy
flying!), and 2) regular trips of 229, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are
5500 to
11,000ft and elevations from SL to 4415msl.
I have several questions for the group:
Conklin and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not
include
fixed costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states
$275.40 per
hour which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel consumption if
the 45 is
not correct? Related to the aforementioned question, can anyone shed
light on
what you experience for variable operating costs for a well maintained
Shrike in
excellent condition?
What is the market =C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cenergy=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D for a
piston Twin Commander and specifically for
a Shrike? I ask, since at some point down the road, it will be resold.
Is it a
=C3=A2=C2=C2=9Ccult=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D airplane with limited prospects
for buyers?
For a currently well maintained Shrike with no deferred maintenance, how
reliable are the systems, i.e. hydraulics, the 290HP
Lyc=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s or other?
Can anyone share the experience of owning a 500 series vs. other light
twins
such as Baron or Seneca or other?
Any issue with parts availability=C3=A2=C2=C2what happens if you
encounter hangar rash on
a tail, etc=C3=A2=C2=C2?
A difficult question, but is there any way to compare the safety of the
Shrike
or 500X with other light twins? Realizing that 80% of the time,
=C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cstupid pilot
tricks=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D are usually the reason for accidents, is the
Shrike or 500 better or
worse than other light twins, i.e. say an engine failure on TO or are
there any
other areas where the plane will bite or where it is better than other
light
twins?
Any issues with flying out of higher elevation airports (mentioned
above). My
typical payload is 500 lbs of people and stuff.
Any other thoughts...what you like most about the 500's?
I realize I have asked a lot of questions, but answers to any or all
questions
is appreciated=C3=A2=C2=C2and thank you in advance!
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
I'm a brand new owner so have no advice to give, except maybe a general approach
or philosophy to aircraft ownership:
I only count the fuel and the oil as hourly costs. The rest aren't really a function
of flying hours and are hard to quantify. The annual will cost pretty much
the same if it's been sitting on the ramp for a year or if it's flown (give
or take). Same with the insurance. As for the engine and or systems overhaul,
I count them as costs that come with aircraft ownership - it's the price I pay
to have a hobby. This way of thinking tricks me into thinking this is a rather
affordable little endeavour (when we all know it's utter madness). At about
$150/hr in fuel and oil doesn't sound so bad and all of a sudden that little
trip to get a hamburger sounds quite affordable.
If reality is to hard to bear, then be unrealistic! :D
--------
Adam
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | Jmgfallstrom <jmgfallstrom(at)aol.com> |
My Dear Watson -
During JFK's presidency he once hosted a dinner of the world's most accompl
ished academics, scholars, Nobel winners, intelligentsia, scientists and ph
ilosophers etc, etc - I do not remember now which formal dining room in the
White house they were holding the dinner.
After their meal which lasted several hours , and most interesting discours
e one would presume, there was a moment of natural silence as they sipped t
heir after dinner libations and smoked no doubt Cuban cigars - that JFK too
k that moment of silence to observe to all of the guests attention the foll
owing;
I may be paraphrasing (but not by much) - JFK looked around the room as sai
d " . . . I do not suppose that in the history of the the White House in g
eneral and to this dining room specifically, has there ever been so much ra
w intelligence, cerebral horsepower and genius in aggregate.'
He then paused a moment, the room remained silent as they pondered his obse
rvation. JFK then added: ". . . with perhaps the one exception as to when
Thomas Jefferson dined ALONE."
It was with this same spirit that I made the comparative statement with the
Dakota and the Aero Commander 500 et al.
All my best,
JG
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Jul 1, 2011 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
I have not flown a Shrike let alone owned one, but offer this: what other b
usiness-class piston twin would you see this sort of both-engines-out perfo
rmance in the hands of a master pilot? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZB
capxGHjE&feature=related
There may be others, but I haven't seen any other pilot perform this sort o
f routine, and I haven't seen Bob Hoover perform his routine in any other b
usiness-class piston twin.
You're right JG, there is no comparison, although I offer my opinion that c
omparing the Twin Commander to the Dak is a little unfair--to both aircraft
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jmgfallstrom
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
Dear RBF,
As to any well maintained post 1958 500 piston Commander- For safety and fo
rgiveness - for beauty and view - for cost and value in reference to the 4
former attributes mentioned herein - these aircraft should be selling for t
wice what the current market offers them up for - they are a religious expe
rience to fly - and a blessing to land
In re any comparable twin aircraft - with the exception of the Douglas DC-3
- none exist - jg
-----Original Message-----
From: ratherbflying <bobl(at)myschoolbucks.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2011 6:53 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Considering a 500S....
om>
I am considering a mid 70=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s 500S as my next aircraft. It
will be used purely
or personal/family use=C3=A2=C2=C2no write offs. My =C3=A2=C2=C2
=9Cmission=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D is 1) Play (I enjoy
lying!), and 2) regular trips of 229, 322, and 83nm. Field lengths are 550
0 to
1,000ft and elevations from SL to 4415msl.
I have several questions for the group:
Conklin and de Decker states $521 per hour variable costs (does not include
ixed costs) based upon 131 hours per year. Note: the fuel states $275.40
per
our which equals 45gph? What do you use for block fuel consumption if the 4
5 is
ot correct? Related to the aforementioned question, can anyone shed light
on
hat you experience for variable operating costs for a well maintained Shrik
e in
xcellent condition?
What is the market =C3=A2=C2=C2=9Cenergy=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D for a piston
Twin Commander and specifically for
Shrike? I ask, since at some point down the road, it will be resold. Is
it a
=C2=C2=9Ccult=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D airplane with limited prospects for buye
rs?
For a currently well maintained Shrike with no deferred maintenance, how
eliable are the systems, i.e. hydraulics, the 290HP Lyc=C3=A2=C2=C2=99s
or other?
Can anyone share the experience of owning a 500 series vs. other light twin
s
uch as Baron or Seneca or other?
Any issue with parts availability=C3=A2=C2=C2what happens if you enco
unter hangar rash on
tail, etc=C3=A2=C2=C2?
A difficult question, but is there any way to compare the safety of the Shr
ike
r 500X with other light twins? Realizing that 80% of the time, =C3=A2=C2
=C2=9Cstupid pilot
ricks=C3=A2=C2=C2=9D are usually the reason for accidents, is the Shrike
or 500 better or
orse than other light twins, i.e. say an engine failure on TO or are there
any
ther areas where the plane will bite or where it is better than other light
wins?
Any issues with flying out of higher elevation airports (mentioned above).
My
ypical payload is 500 lbs of people and stuff.
Any other thoughts...what you like most about the 500's?
I realize I have asked a lot of questions, but answers to any or all questi
ons
s appreciated=C3=A2=C2=C2and thank you in advance!
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Adam=2C
What is your fuel burn pe hour? How much are you paying for 100LL? Althou
gh 100LL.com shows the average cost at $ 6.02 here in the southwest=2C I se
em to pay closer to $ 5.50 at the places where I fly to. $ 150.00 pe
r hour for fuel and oil seems real low. I realize that a 680Fp is the fuel
hog of the piston commanders=2C however=2C my fuel costs are between $ 300
.00 and $ 375.00 per hour=2C depending on where I fill up at and operating
coditions. Also=2C shouldn't set asides fro engine TBO=2C prop TBO=2C heat
er TBO=2C wing spar inspections and other items with a set life be included
as hourly costs? The more we fly=2C the sooner these big ticket costs pop
up=2C however the fixed costs items such as insurance and hanger rent get
less expensive per hour.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri=2C 1 Jul 2011 10:04:05 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I'm a brand new owner so have no advice to give=2C except maybe a general
approach or philosophy to aircraft ownership:
>
> I only count the fuel and the oil as hourly costs. The rest aren't really
a function of flying hours and are hard to quantify. The annual will cost
pretty much the same if it's been sitting on the ramp for a year or if it's
flown (give or take). Same with the insurance. As for the engine and or sy
stems overhaul=2C I count them as costs that come with aircraft ownership -
it's the price I pay to have a hobby. This way of thinking tricks me into
thinking this is a rather affordable little endeavour (when we all know it'
s utter madness). At about $150/hr in fuel and oil doesn't sound so bad and
all of a sudden that little trip to get a hamburger sounds quite affordabl
e.
>
> If reality is to hard to bear=2C then be unrealistic! :D
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344596#344596
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Moe, I've just finished a 17hr tour of the north west - my first real flying on
my own - so have some fresh numbers. My fuel burn was around 29gph when I stayed
low, but can be forced down to 23-25gph up high. It's a little tricky to gage
as the tanks transfer fuel and most FBO guys don't have the time to spend
15 minutes refuelling them. It's easier when you can do it yourself, but even
I sometimes had to give up on those last gallons.
The above numbers are at 20-22" and 2500-2600 rpm, so pretty throttled back. She
showed around 135-140kts here, so not bad considering. I know Bonanzas that
burn that much! The posh FBO's always charge an arm and a leg, but I found Avgas
for around $5.20/gal on this trip and according to my little Foreflight software,
there were out-of-the-way strips with prices as low as $4.70. I'll try
to hit those next time.
Also, as a friend once put it - any airplane will be cheaper than a coke habit!
:D
--------
Adam
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Hope you are all getting excited about this year's Fly-In which will take p
lace September 15-18th at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) in Detroit, Michigan.
Detroit is a fun place to visit with lots of interesting stuff to do and se
e so plan to spend some extra time there.
We have set aside a block of rooms at the Holiday Inn Express for the event
. Please call them at (734)857-6200 to book a room and tell them you're wi
th the Twin Commander Flight Group to secure the rate of $99 for a King roo
m or $129 for a room with 2 beds. If more than 10 people book the rate dro
ps to $89 and $109. Shuttle service is available to and from both airports
. These rates are only in effect until September 1st so please make sure y
ou book as soon as possible.
Registration packets will be in the mail this week so watch for them!!!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
________________________________________________________________________________
Hi JimBob,
What's the physical address of the Hotel?
Is it the one at 46194 North Interstate 94 Service Drive, Belleville?
It's just that their website for the Detroit area are all showing the same
Reservations Tel. No.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 11 July 2011 18:49
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Hope you are all getting excited about this year's Fly-In which will take
place September 15-18th at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) in Detroit, Michigan.
Detroit is a fun place to visit with lots of interesting stuff to do and see
so plan to spend some extra time there.
We have set aside a block of rooms at the Holiday Inn Express for the event.
Please call them at (734)857-6200 to book a room and tell them you're with
the Twin Commander Flight Group to secure the rate of $99 for a King room or
$129 for a room with 2 beds. If more than 10 people book the rate drops to
$89 and $109. Shuttle service is available to and from both airports. These
rates are only in effect until September 1st so please make sure you book as
soon as possible.
Registration packets will be in the mail this week so watch for them!!!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Yup, that's the one!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Hi JimBob,
What=99s the physical address of the Hotel?
Is it the one at 46194 North Interstate 94 Service Drive, Belleville?
It=99s just that their website for the Detroit area are all showing t
he same Reservations Tel. No.
Best Regards,
Barry
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t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 11 July 2011 18:49
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Hope you are all getting excited about this year's Fly-In which will take p
lace September 15-18th at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) in Detroit, Michigan. D
etroit is a fun place to visit with lots of interesting stuff to do and see
so plan to spend some extra time there.
We have set aside a block of rooms at the Holiday Inn Express for the event
. Please call them at (734)857-6200 to book a room and tell them you're wit
h the Twin Commander Flight Group to secure the rate of $99 for a King room
or $129 for a room with 2 beds. If more than 10 people book the rate drops
to $89 and $109. Shuttle service is available to and from both airports. T
hese rates are only in effect until September 1st so please make sure you b
ook as soon as possible.
Registration packets will be in the mail this week so watch for them!!!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
This year looks very promising that I may attend. My wife's health has
improved considerably and we may even make it a family outing.
Please let me have the particulars and I will update the website and the
Facebook page.
Thanks
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Hope you are all getting excited about this year's Fly-In which will take
place September 15-18th at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) in Detroit, Michigan.
Detroit is a fun place to visit with lots of interesting stuff to do and see
so plan to spend some extra time there.
We have set aside a block of rooms at the Holiday Inn Express for the event.
Please call them at (734)857-6200 to book a room and tell them you're with
the Twin Commander Flight Group to secure the rate of $99 for a King room or
$129 for a room with 2 beds. If more than 10 people book the rate drops to
$89 and $109. Shuttle service is available to and from both airports. These
rates are only in effect until September 1st so please make sure you book as
soon as possible.
Registration packets will be in the mail this week so watch for them!!!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks JimBob!
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 11 July 2011 22:35
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Yup, that's the one!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 1:25 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Hi JimBob,
What=99s the physical address of the Hotel?
Is it the one at 46194 North Interstate 94 Service Drive, Belleville?
It=99s just that their website for the Detroit area are all
showing the same Reservations Tel. No.
Best Regards,
Barry
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owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [
mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 11 July 2011 18:49
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Hope you are all getting excited about this year's Fly-In which will
take place September 15-18th at Willow Run Airport (KYIP) in Detroit,
Michigan. Detroit is a fun place to visit with lots of interesting stuff
to do and see so plan to spend some extra time there.
We have set aside a block of rooms at the Holiday Inn Express for the
event. Please call them at (734)857-6200 to book a room and tell them
you're with the Twin Commander Flight Group to secure the rate of $99
for a King room or $129 for a room with 2 beds. If more than 10 people
book the rate drops to $89 and $109. Shuttle service is available to and
from both airports. These rates are only in effect until September 1st
so please make sure you book as soon as possible.
Registration packets will be in the mail this week so watch for them!!!
Looking forward to seeing you there.
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Hi Adam=2C
Very interesting. Just goes to show that you have to more or less square t
he power (and fuel burn) to increase the speed of basically the same airfra
me. Last week end I flew to Mena=2C AR from Farmington=2C NM. It appears
that you get about 4.8 NM per gallon=2C whereas=2C I get only about 3.3 NM
per gallon=2C crusing at about 180 Kts. About 40% difference in fuel burn
to get there. The best price I could find was in Borger=2C TX=2C $ 5.22 pe
r gallon=2C literally next to the Phillips Refinery. Hope you make it to M
ichigan with your bird.
Best regards=2C
Moe
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri=2C 1 Jul 2011 12:49:30 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Moe=2C I've just finished a 17hr tour of the north west - my first real f
lying on my own - so have some fresh numbers. My fuel burn was around 29gph
when I stayed low=2C but can be forced down to 23-25gph up high. It's a li
ttle tricky to gage as the tanks transfer fuel and most FBO guys don't have
the time to spend 15 minutes refuelling them. It's easier when you can do
it yourself=2C but even I sometimes had to give up on those last gallons.
>
> The above numbers are at 20-22" and 2500-2600 rpm=2C so pretty throttled
back. She showed around 135-140kts here=2C so not bad considering. I know B
onanzas that burn that much! The posh FBO's always charge an arm and a leg
=2C but I found Avgas for around $5.20/gal on this trip and according to my
little Foreflight software=2C there were out-of-the-way strips with prices
as low as $4.70. I'll try to hit those next time.
>
> Also=2C as a friend once put it - any airplane will be cheaper than a cok
e habit! :D
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344618#344618
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Fellow Commander Drivers=2C
There is an interesting letter to the editor=2C on page three of the July 2
011 issue of Twin &Turbine=2C by fellow member Randy Dettmer.
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
Date: Thu=2C 14 Jul 2011 18:48:13 -0600
Hi Adam=2C
Very interesting. Just goes to show that you have to more or less square t
he power (and fuel burn) to increase the speed of basically the same airfra
me. Last week end I flew to Mena=2C AR from Farmington=2C NM. It appears
that you get about 4.8 NM per gallon=2C whereas=2C I get only about 3.3 NM
per gallon=2C crusing at about 180 Kts. About 40% difference in fuel burn
to get there. The best price I could find was in Borger=2C TX=2C $ 5.22 pe
r gallon=2C literally next to the Phillips Refinery. Hope you make it to M
ichigan with your bird.
Best regards=2C
Moe
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri=2C 1 Jul 2011 12:49:30 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Moe=2C I've just finished a 17hr tour of the north west - my first real f
lying on my own - so have some fresh numbers. My fuel burn was around 29gph
when I stayed low=2C but can be forced down to 23-25gph up high. It's a li
ttle tricky to gage as the tanks transfer fuel and most FBO guys don't have
the time to spend 15 minutes refuelling them. It's easier when you can do
it yourself=2C but even I sometimes had to give up on those last gallons.
>
> The above numbers are at 20-22" and 2500-2600 rpm=2C so pretty throttled
back. She showed around 135-140kts here=2C so not bad considering. I know B
onanzas that burn that much! The posh FBO's always charge an arm and a leg
=2C but I found Avgas for around $5.20/gal on this trip and according to my
little Foreflight software=2C there were out-of-the-way strips with prices
as low as $4.70. I'll try to hit those next time.
>
> Also=2C as a friend once put it - any airplane will be cheaper than a cok
e habit! :D
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=344618#344618
>
>
>
>
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&g===================
>
>
>
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| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Adam,
Have a good look into your performance figures and engine/prop. numbers and
try low RPM and "high boost", it will make quite an improvement. Better
still, fit GAMIjectors and a decent CHT/EGT system and run lean of peak,
really save some fuel for the same TAS.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
Hi Adam,
Very interesting. Just goes to show that you have to more or less square
the power (and fuel burn) to increase the speed of basically the same
airframe. Last week end I flew to Mena, AR from Farmington, NM. It appears
that you get about 4.8 NM per gallon, whereas, I get only about 3.3 NM per
gallon, crusing at about 180 Kts. About 40% difference in fuel burn to get
there. The best price I could find was in Borger, TX, $ 5.22 per gallon,
literally next to the Phillips Refinery. Hope you make it to Michigan with
your bird.
Best regards,
Moe
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:49:30 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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> Moe, I've just finished a 17hr tour of the north west - my first real
flying on my own - so have some fresh numbers. My fuel burn was around 29gph
when I stayed low, but can be forced down to 23-25gph up high. It's a little
tricky to gage as the tanks transfer fuel and most FBO guys don't have the
time to spend 15 minutes refuelling them. It's easier when you can do it
yourself, but even I sometimes had to give up on those last gallons.
>
> The above numbers are at 20-22" and 2500-2600 rpm, so pretty throttled
back. She showed around 135-140kts here, so not bad considering. I know
Bonanzas that burn that much! The posh FBO's always charge an arm and a leg,
but I found Avgas for around $5.20/gal on this trip and according to my
little Foreflight software, there were out-of-the-way strips with prices as
low as $4.70. I'll try to hit those next time.
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> Also, as a friend once put it - any airplane will be cheaper than a coke
habit! :D
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Low RPM and high boost makes good (common) sense, too. An internal
combustion engine is nothing more than an air pump. The higher the RPM the
more air it pumps. The air is loaded with a certain percentage of fuel and
the more air one pumps the more fuel goes with it. Lower the RPM and the
amount of fuel carried through the engine is also reduced. Increase the
manifold pressure and the resident fuel is burned more effectively yielding
energy comparable to the higher RPM settings.
Perhaps too simple.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J
Hamilton
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
Adam,
Have a good look into your performance figures and engine/prop. numbers and
try low RPM and "high boost", it will make quite an improvement. Better
still, fit GAMIjectors and a decent CHT/EGT system and run lean of peak,
really save some fuel for the same TAS.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
Hi Adam,
Very interesting. Just goes to show that you have to more or less square
the power (and fuel burn) to increase the speed of basically the same
airframe. Last week end I flew to Mena, AR from Farmington, NM. It appears
that you get about 4.8 NM per gallon, whereas, I get only about 3.3 NM per
gallon, crusing at about 180 Kts. About 40% difference in fuel burn to get
there. The best price I could find was in Borger, TX, $ 5.22 per gallon,
literally next to the Phillips Refinery. Hope you make it to Michigan with
your bird.
Best regards,
Moe
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:49:30 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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>
> Moe, I've just finished a 17hr tour of the north west - my first real
flying on my own - so have some fresh numbers. My fuel burn was around 29gph
when I stayed low, but can be forced down to 23-25gph up high. It's a little
tricky to gage as the tanks transfer fuel and most FBO guys don't have the
time to spend 15 minutes refuelling them. It's easier when you can do it
yourself, but even I sometimes had to give up on those last gallons.
>
> The above numbers are at 20-22" and 2500-2600 rpm, so pretty throttled
back. She showed around 135-140kts here, so not bad considering. I know
Bonanzas that burn that much! The posh FBO's always charge an arm and a leg,
but I found Avgas for around $5.20/gal on this trip and according to my
little Foreflight software, there were out-of-the-way strips with prices as
low as $4.70. I'll try to hit those next time.
>
> Also, as a friend once put it - any airplane will be cheaper than a coke
habit! :D
>
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi.
I can't lower the RPM any more as 2500rpm is as low as the green arc goes. But
I could run her at higher MP. Would would the benefits be?
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| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Adam,
Minimum of 2500RPM, that sound very odd to me, can anybody else comment??
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
Hi.
I can't lower the RPM any more as 2500rpm is as low as the green arc goes.
But I could run her at higher MP. Would would the benefits be?
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Now that you mention it. It's rather odd. Is it a proper RPM guage?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J
Hamilton
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:14 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
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Adam,
Minimum of 2500RPM, that sound very odd to me, can anybody else comment??
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:26 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
Hi.
I can't lower the RPM any more as 2500rpm is as low as the green arc goes.
But I could run her at higher MP. Would would the benefits be?
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
Adam is flying a 520. No supercharger and geared prop.
Does it read engine crank RPM or Prop RPM?
Tylor Hall
On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:19 PM, cybersuperstore wrote:
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> Now that you mention it. It's rather odd. Is it a proper RPM guage?
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> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J
> Hamilton
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:14 PM
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> Adam,
> Minimum of 2500RPM, that sound very odd to me, can anybody else comment??
> Cheers,
> Bill Hamilton
>
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> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:26 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
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> Hi.
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> I can't lower the RPM any more as 2500rpm is as low as the green arc goes.
> But I could run her at higher MP. Would would the benefits be?
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| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
| From: | Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)gmail.com> |
All geared Lycoming engines read engine rpm. the gear reduction is .64
on all geared Lycomings, which means when the tach reads 2,500 rpm the
prop is turning 1,600. GO435 & GO480 engines are not injected, but
have automatic mixture control pressure carburetors.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
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> Adam is flying a 520. No supercharger and geared prop.
> Does it read engine crank RPM or Prop RPM?
> Tylor Hall
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> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:19 PM, cybersuperstore wrote:
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>> Now that you mention it. It's rather odd. Is it a proper RPM guage?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J
>> Hamilton
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:14 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
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>> Adam,
>> Minimum of 2500RPM, that sound very odd to me, can anybody else comment??
>> Cheers,
>> Bill Hamilton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:26 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
>>
>>
>> Hi.
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>> I can't lower the RPM any more as 2500rpm is as low as the green arc goes.
>> But I could run her at higher MP. Would would the benefits be?
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| From: | William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Considering a 500S.... |
Adam,
My apologies, I thought you were referring to the 500S.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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> Morris Kernick wrote:
>
All geared Lycoming engines read engine rpm. the gear reduction is .64
on all geared Lycomings, which means when the tach reads 2,500 rpm the
prop is turning 1,600. GO435 & GO480 engines are not injected, but
have automatic mixture control pressure carburetors.
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Tylor Hall wrote:
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> Adam is flying a 520. No supercharger and geared prop.
> Does it read engine crank RPM or Prop RPM?
> Tylor Hall
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> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:19 PM, cybersuperstore wrote:
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>> Now that you mention it. It's rather odd. Is it a proper RPM guage?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J
>> Hamilton
>> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:14 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
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>> Adam,
>> Minimum of 2500RPM, that sound very odd to me, can anybody else comment??
>> Cheers,
>> Bill Hamilton
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
>> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:26 PM
>> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Considering a 500S....
>>
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>> Hi.
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>> I can't lower the RPM any more as 2500rpm is as low as the green arc goes.
>> But I could run her at higher MP. Would would the benefits be?
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| Subject: | Re: Commander spotting KPHN & farewell for N527P from |
Michigan
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Here's a little update I wrote on the Pprune forum about my "checkout" in 20VE,
my first solo flights and my travel back to California from the Portland area
(which would turn out to be a two day deal - not that I minded). There are some
images and also a short video of my first wheelie.
Big thanks to JimBob for being such a great host/teacher/plane washer/mensch.
http://www.pprune.org/6544340-post36.html
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| Subject: | Re: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
| From: | "A380Captain" <a380captain(at)hotmail.com> |
Hi Barry and Richard, finally joined up on the forum. Yes ZK-DCF has been moved
out of the old Illawarra hangar, I believe the first time she has seen the sun
for nearly 10 years. I have her in a new hangar, where we are carrying out her
rehabilitation survey. Have just got the SB's from Twin Commander and am x-checking
the status. Provided I find no nasties in the WS 24 area and other major
structure, we will get her back to flying status. Am awaiting some info from
the NZ CAA regarding the SB 223 repairs. Am debating whether to keep the IO-470's
or do an IO-520 conversion. But.. as you know 1 step at a time. I'd love
to catch up with both you guys. I get to LHR a couple of times a year, in fact
have just got back, managed to see the 'Edwardians' fly at shuttleworth, and
chase down some L-200A Morava spares. So would appreciate phone/ email details.
Kind regards
Bruce Simpson
+61 414 266 467
a380captain(at)hotmail.com
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Hi Bruce,
Good news!
Grateful thanks for letting us know.
Of course, if you eventually do the IO-520 conversion (Colemill "Super
300"), there's a Gross Weight increase from 6,000lb to 6,530lb.
Let me know by email when you're next due into Heathrow.
If you haven't been to the RAF Museum at Hendon, we might be able to meet
up.
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A380Captain
Sent: 25 July 2011 12:26
Subject: Commander-List: Re: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF
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Hi Barry and Richard, finally joined up on the forum. Yes ZK-DCF has been
moved out of the old Illawarra hangar, I believe the first time she has seen
the sun for nearly 10 years. I have her in a new hangar, where we are
carrying out her rehabilitation survey. Have just got the SB's from Twin
Commander and am x-checking the status. Provided I find no nasties in the WS
24 area and other major structure, we will get her back to flying status.
Am awaiting some info from the NZ CAA regarding the SB 223 repairs. Am
debating whether to keep the IO-470's or do an IO-520 conversion. But.. as
you know 1 step at a time. I'd love to catch up with both you guys. I get to
LHR a couple of times a year, in fact have just got back, managed to see the
'Edwardians' fly at shuttleworth, and chase down some L-200A Morava spares.
So would appreciate phone/ email details.
Kind regards
Bruce Simpson
+61 414 266 467
a380captain(at)hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
A380 - You mentioned Let L-200 Morava. Do you own one? Because there is one sitting
rotting at a farm outside of London that I had a look at. If you need spares,
this is a complete aircraft, albeit in pretty bad shape. The guy has tried
to sell it for a long time and wanted a bit too much, but he might have become
more amenable as time has gone on without a sale.
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| Subject: | Re: New Zealand Commander, ZK-DCF |
| From: | "gerocelle" <gerocelle(at)GMAIL.COM> |
i am also looking for the same model and serial number, any update guys?
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| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hello Everyone,
I'm glad this year's Fly-In will be in my "back-yard" awesome! I might roll in
with a different kind of high winger...
and speaking of there was a tribute to Bob Hoover at Oshkosh this week and someone
also flew N7764B a '74 500S doing some of his famous maneuvers!
Do we know who's the pilot? here is the video, the Shrike shows somewhere in the
middle.
http://bcove.me/wwel65bf
Looking forward to see you all and remember to get your rooms soon!
take care you all and see you soon hope to see some more bathtub and flat Commanders!!!
p.
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
N7764B is a 1975 500S and it is registered to Odegaard Aviation of Kindred, ND
according to Landings.
Tylor Hall
On Jul 28, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
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> I'm glad this year's Fly-In will be in my "back-yard" awesome! I might roll in
with a different kind of high winger...
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> and speaking of there was a tribute to Bob Hoover at Oshkosh this week and someone
also flew N7764B a '74 500S doing some of his famous maneuvers!
>
> Do we know who's the pilot? here is the video, the Shrike shows somewhere in
the middle.
>
> http://bcove.me/wwel65bf
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> Looking forward to see you all and remember to get your rooms soon!
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> take care you all and see you soon hope to see some more bathtub and flat Commanders!!!
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| Subject: | Commander Spotting at Oshkosh! |
| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hey Barry,
check this link,
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=225645607471330&set=a.225288654173692.49012.117868041582421&type=1&theater
and check photo 24 of 52. Who's replica of Air Force 1 that is? I remember someone
on the forum asking about paint scheme for that specific bird...
Obviously a flying commander! do they some times move the one at Dayton? that's
great to see it with the original color scheme!
Is that the 560E? or 680E?
May be one day I'll get to go to Oshkosh... always at a busy time of the year for
me...
hope you're doing fine,
p.
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| Subject: | Commander Spotting at Oshkosh! |
Hi Peter,
That's got to be Scott Main's HC560A, s/n 247, N30U.
It's a genuine ex USAF/US Army example, formerly 55-4638.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Bichier
Sent: 31 July 2011 05:07
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Spotting at Oshkosh!
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Hey Barry,
check this link,
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=225645607471330&set=a.225288654173692
.49012.117868041582421&type=1&theater
and check photo 24 of 52. Who's replica of Air Force 1 that is? I remember
someone on the forum asking about paint scheme for that specific bird...
Obviously a flying commander! do they some times move the one at Dayton?
that's great to see it with the original color scheme!
Is that the 560E? or 680E?
May be one day I'll get to go to Oshkosh... always at a busy time of the
year for me...
hope you're doing fine,
p.
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560 Dreamer
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Spotted at Oshkosh! |
I didn't know this...
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_EAAAirVenture20
11_AerostarJetDebut_205127-1.html
Very nice configuration.
Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Spotted at Oshkosh! |
| From: | "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com> |
Back in the olden days when AeroStar was at Santa Maria, CA, Ted Smith had
renderings on the wall of the jet powered AeroStar. It was always intend
ed to evolve into a jet.
Ted Smith's jet powered 'Star, called the Shooting Star, had the engines
pylon mounted just forward of the tail. I always wondered about the C.G.
in that configuration and although not as elegant, this current idea with
under wing mounted engines does retain the airplane's natural C.G. and ge
ometry.
I was thrilled to see the video of it flying. Thanks, Nico.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
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Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:20 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Spotted at Oshkosh!
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I didn't know this...
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_EAAAirVenture
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Very nice configuration.
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| From: | "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Spotted at Oshkosh! |
I wonder what Ron Smith would have to say about this?
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Spotted at Oshkosh!
Back in the olden days when AeroStar was at Santa Maria, CA, Ted Smith had
renderings on the wall of the jet powered AeroStar. It was always intended
to evolve into a jet.
Ted Smith's jet powered 'Star, called the Shooting Star, had the engines
pylon mounted just forward of the tail. I always wondered about the C.G. in
that configuration and although not as elegant, this current idea with under
wing mounted engines does retain the airplane's natural C.G. and geometry.
I was thrilled to see the video of it flying. Thanks, Nico.
Keith S. Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
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From: cybersuperstore <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:20 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Spotted at Oshkosh!
I didn't know this...
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_EAAAirVenture20
11_AerostarJetDebut_205127-1.html
Very nice configuration.
Nico
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| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Spotted at Oshkosh! |
Hi Stan/Keith,
Was this the one that Morris did a presentation on a couple of Flyins
ago - sorry Keith a trick question for you...but Morris was upbeat about
the design.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 01/08/2011, at 2:37 PM, Stan wrote:
> I wonder what Ron Smith would have to say about this?
>
> Stan
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:47 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Spotted at Oshkosh!
>
> Back in the olden days when AeroStar was at Santa Maria, CA, Ted Smith
had renderings on the wall of the jet powered AeroStar. It was always
intended to evolve into a jet.
>
> Ted Smith's jet powered 'Star, called the Shooting Star, had the
engines pylon mounted just forward of the tail. I always wondered about
the C.G. in that configuration and although not as elegant, this current
idea with under wing mounted engines does retain the airplane's natural
C.G. and geometry.
>
> I was thrilled to see the video of it flying. Thanks, Nico.
>
> Keith S. Gordon
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> FAASTeam Lead Rep, Las Vegas
> NBAA Access Committee
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cybersuperstore <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 7:20 pm
> Subject: Commander-List: Spotted at Oshkosh!
>
>
> I didn't know this...
>
>
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_EAAAirVenture
20
> 11_AerostarJetDebut_205127-1.html
>
> Very nice configuration.
>
> Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Commander Spotting at Oshkosh! |
| From: | Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)gmail.com> |
Barry: You are correct, that is Scott's 560A-HC. I am going to call
him & see if he will come to the fly-in. Morris
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Barry Collman
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> That's got to be Scott Main's HC560A, s/n 247, N30U.
> It's a genuine ex USAF/US Army example, formerly 55-4638.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Bichier
> Sent: 31 July 2011 05:07
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander Spotting at Oshkosh!
>
> -->
>
> Hey Barry,
>
> check this link,
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=225645607471330&set=a.225288654173692
> .49012.117868041582421&type=1&theater
>
> and check photo 24 of 52. Who's replica of Air Force 1 that is? I remember
> someone on the forum asking about paint scheme for that specific bird...
>
> Obviously a flying commander! do they some times move the one at Dayton?
> that's great to see it with the original color scheme!
>
> Is that the 560E? or 680E?
>
> May be one day I'll get to go to Oshkosh... always at a busy time of the
> year for me...
>
> hope you're doing fine,
>
> p.
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=348109#348109
>
>
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Just a reminder to book your hotel for the annual Twin Commander gathering
at YIP by September 1st. See the website: www.aercommander.com for additi
onal information.
Hope to see lots of you there!
Also please review your Directory and let us know if there are any changes
to your information.
~jb
P.S. Flew the Commander to a Fly-in breakfast/car show on a private/short
grass strip a couple of weeks ago and upon landing the ground crew announce
d on the radio ..."you'd never see a Baron do that!" Then after takeoff we
requested and received permission for a low fly-by and again the crew said
......"You'd never see a Baron do that either!" Gotta love that Commander
performance!!
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| From: | "sr14572(at)yahoo.com" <sr14572(at)yahoo.com> |
Hi, you have a typo in your link to the website. - I do it all the time.
=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>From: "yourtcfg(at)aol.com" <
yourtcfg(at)aol.com>=0A>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent: Friday, Augu
st 5, 2011 3:56 PM=0A>Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>Just a reminder to book your hotel for the annual Twin Commander gather
ing at YIP by September 1st. See the website: www.aercommander.com for add
itional information. =0A>Hope to see lots of you there!=0A>Also please revi
ew your Directory and let us know if there are any changes to your informat
ion. =0A>~jb=0A>P.S. Flew the Commander to a Fly-in breakfast/car show on
a private/short grass strip a couple of weeks ago and upon landing the grou
nd crew announced on the radio ..."you'd never see a Baron do that!" Then
after takeoff we requested and received permission for a low fly-by and aga
in the crew said......"You'd never see a Baron do that either!" Gotta love
==== =0A>=0A>
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| Subject: | Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption. |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Has anyone, just for kicks, explored the real low end spectrum of slow flying and
the fuel consumption there? My aircraft is in for her annual so In haven't
been able to try yet, but I will. I want to see what 70-90kts cruise at altitude
would give in fuel consumption. Has anyone tried? Be fun to see just how far
you could get if you're not in a hurry.
--------
Adam
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Resending w/corrected typo!!
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 12:58 pm
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Just a reminder to book your hotel for the annual Twin Commander gathering
at YIP by September 1st. See the website: www.aerocommander.com for addit
ional information.
Hope to see lots of you there!
Also please review your Directory and let us know if there are any changes
to your information.
~jb
P.S. Flew the Commander to a Fly-in breakfast/car show on a private/short
grass strip a couple of weeks ago and upon landing the ground crew announce
d on the radio ..."you'd never see a Baron do that!" Then after takeoff we
requested and received permission for a low fly-by and again the crew said
......"You'd never see a Baron do that either!" Gotta love that Commander
performance!!
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | Re: Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption. |
Feather right engine or simulate feather, 60 pct power on left. you'll
stay in the air & drive the oil co. crazy
----- Original Message -----
From: stratobee<mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel
consumption.
>
Has anyone, just for kicks, explored the real low end spectrum of slow
flying and the fuel consumption there? My aircraft is in for her annual
so In haven't been able to try yet, but I will. I want to see what
70-90kts cruise at altitude would give in fuel consumption. Has anyone
tried? Be fun to see just how far you could get if you're not in a
hurry.
--------
Adam
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption. |
I was always wondering about that. A guy once flew a Cherokee 140 for 8
hours and travelled way beyond it's published range on that fuel, by slowing
down and enjoying the view one would get from a micro light. But the hours
on the engine, airframe and other hourly things, not the pilot - he enjoyed
the time in his logbook - do add up. He rented the plane from the local
flying club and they were so delighted by the additional income that they
published the story in the club's newsletter and, if I remember correctly,
the story was also picked up in the local papers. I never made estimates
about the increased costs of a longer mission to save one element of the
costs, but it just seems as if the costs of the engine, prop (times two in a
twin) would easily outweigh the savings in fuel. There is a good, economical
balance there somewhere, and the cruise numbers in the POH would be very
close.
I am just not sure. There are no free lunches is probably a good place to
start.
Now, if you could feather one engine (zero cost) that would make sense if it
is one's pleasure to crawl through the sky at the blue line or less, but I
could never willingly dismiss power that's there for the taking. I'd rather
blast all I have to make a mission go faster and higher than otherwise. So,
no comment on that.
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel
consumption.
Feather right engine or simulate feather, 60 pct power on left. you'll stay
in the air & drive the oil co. crazy
----- Original Message -----
From: stratobee <mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption.
Has anyone, just for kicks, explored the real low end spectrum of slow
flying and the fuel consumption there? My aircraft is in for her annual so
In haven't been able to try yet, but I will. I want to see what 70-90kts
cruise at altitude would give in fuel consumption. Has anyone tried? Be fun
to see just how far you could get if you're not in a hurry.
--------
Adam
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| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption. |
Folks,
Split the thinking into range and endurance, two very different things ----
do you actually want to get somewhere for the minimum block fuel, or do you
just want to stay in the air.
Maximum range will be achieved when you are flying at the best NAMP
(nautical air miles per pound of fuel) or any of a number of names that mean
the same thing. How you achieve this will be specific to the aircraft, and
the weight, height and ISA temperature.
Endurance is another matter, theoretically obtained at the minimum drag
speed for the engine/airframe combination, this can throw up some
interesting results, particularly in a turbine, if the thrust demand means
an engine is operating outside its best operating range. As drag only (more
or less) is related to CAS (IAS) except for minor high level mach number
effects, not something to worry any prop. Commander. Maximum endurance's
major variable is weight.
As an example, back in B707 days, we found we could reduce holding fuel flow
( very roughly min. fuel flow equals min. drag) by running two engines at
idle, and two at relatively higher power settings, rather than all four at
the same power settings.
The greatest improvement you will get to fuel usage in any piston Commander
with fuel injection will be to fit multi-probe EGT or CHT, and tune the
engine with GAMTjectors.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel
consumption.
I was always wondering about that. A guy once flew a Cherokee 140 for 8
hours and travelled way beyond it's published range on that fuel, by slowing
down and enjoying the view one would get from a micro light. But the hours
on the engine, airframe and other hourly things, not the pilot - he enjoyed
the time in his logbook - do add up. He rented the plane from the local
flying club and they were so delighted by the additional income that they
published the story in the club's newsletter and, if I remember correctly,
the story was also picked up in the local papers. I never made estimates
about the increased costs of a longer mission to save one element of the
costs, but it just seems as if the costs of the engine, prop (times two in a
twin) would easily outweigh the savings in fuel. There is a good, economical
balance there somewhere, and the cruise numbers in the POH would be very
close.
I am just not sure. There are no free lunches is probably a good place to
start.
Now, if you could feather one engine (zero cost) that would make sense if it
is one's pleasure to crawl through the sky at the blue line or less, but I
could never willingly dismiss power that's there for the taking. I'd rather
blast all I have to make a mission go faster and higher than otherwise. So,
no comment on that.
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel
consumption.
Feather right engine or simulate feather, 60 pct power on left. you'll stay
in the air & drive the oil co. crazy
----- Original Message -----
From: stratobee <mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption.
Has anyone, just for kicks, explored the real low end spectrum of slow
flying and the fuel consumption there? My aircraft is in for her annual so
In haven't been able to try yet, but I will. I want to see what 70-90kts
cruise at altitude would give in fuel consumption. Has anyone tried? Be fun
to see just how far you could get if you're not in a hurry.
--------
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | preflight preparations |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvly-z2CXE
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvvly-z2CXE&feature=player_embedded>
&feature=player_embedded
Nico van Niekerk
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| From: | BobsV35B(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption. |
Good Morning Adam,
Just looking at some old posts and spotted this one. I do not recall any
comments so here is mine.
Your airplane will require the least amount of fuel to go one mile if it is
flown at the Best Lift over Drag speed as shown on the indicator. That is
IAS, not TAS.
I do not have relevant data for the Commander but I am confident that 90
knots is too slow. My Beech V35B gets best L/D at about 106 knots when at
gross weight. That speed will decrease as weight is decreased.
Since an early Commander has speeds comparable to my V35B, I would WAG that
a 520 would have similar speeds. The newer and heavier Commanders would
undoubtedly have a higher Best L/D speed. That speed works at all
altitudes. Way up high, you can get a pretty good True Airspeed at the low Indicated
Airspeed, but the miles per gallon will be the same at all altitudes. Air
Carrier aircraft generally try to cruise at a small percentage faster than
Best L/D to provide better speed stability and to compensate for small speed
excursions. The penalty for going too fast is small while the inefficiency
rises quite rapidly when going too slow. Back when I was a gainfully
employed aviator, we generally tried to fly at about 105 per cent of best L/D.
The increase in drag curve is rather flat at first, but the drag goes up
quite rapidly when you get more than twenty to thirty percent above best L/D.
For an airplane with a best L/D speed of 106, I find that 120 knots
indicated still provides very close to optimum. 130 is nice with little loss,
and
140 still works, but is starting to noticeably decrease the range.
Consequently, I choose my cruising airspeed by analyzing the range I want along
with the time constraints of the mission. My default indicated airspeed is
140 knots. For my airplane, that is a nice ball park number.
At FL250 that is a true airspeed of 210 knots. At sea level, it is only 140
knots, but the miles per gallon in a no wind condition are very close to
being the same.
Obviously there are a lot of variables that I have not mentioned, but good
economy of fuel used can be found by flying slightly faster than best L/D.
Most of us will also want to consider the value of time when planning any
individual flight. I hope this has given you a place to start when figuring
how fast you wish to fly your Commander.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Downers Grove, Illinois
Haven't flown a Commander in at least fifty years, but I liked them when I
was flying them .
In a message dated 8/5/2011 10:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
adam(at)adamfrisch.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "stratobee"
Has anyone, just for kicks, explored the real low end spectrum of slow
flying and the fuel consumption there? My aircraft is in for her annual so In
haven't been able to try yet, but I will. I want to see what 70-90kts
cruise at altitude would give in fuel consumption. Has anyone tried? Be fun to
see just how far you could get if you're not in a hurry.
--------
Adam
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Fwd: Attention- Emergency Honeywell AD for Twin Commander |
Operators
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
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Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: Attention- Emergency Honeywell AD for Twin Commander Operators
Aero Air LLC
Important information
Newly released Emergency Airworthiness Directive 2011-15-51
Earlier this week the FAA released Emergency Airworthiness Directive 2011-1
5-51. This AD covers all models of the Honeywell TPE-331 engines that may h
ave a PMA=99d main shaft bearing, part number (P/N) 3108098-1WD, manu
factured by Dixie Aerospace, LLC, installed in the engine.
The AD indicates the bearings were manufactured with inadequate inner ring
guide flange clearance. The AD also indicates that the bearing failure mech
anism is severe and sudden and if not corrected, could result in engine mai
n rotor seizure resulting in engine damage, shutdown, and damage to the air
plane.
This AD requires an inspection of records to determine if a Dixie Aerospace
, LLC main shaft bearing, P/N 3108098-1WD, is your TPE331 engines. Within
10 operating hours, affected bearings must be removed from service.
If you have any questions regarding this AD, need logbook research or have
a suspect bearing in your engine, please call us at Aero Air.
For a copy of the actual AD, please click the "Learn More" button below.
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Subject: Attention- Emergency Honeywell AD for Twin Commander Operators
Aero Air LLC
Important information
Newly released Emergency Airworthiness Directive 2011-15-51
Earlier this week the FAA released Emergency Airworthiness Directive 2011-1
5-51. This AD covers all models of the Honeywell TPE-331 engines that may h
ave a PMA=99d main shaft bearing, part number (P/N) 3108098-1WD, manu
factured by Dixie Aerospace, LLC, installed in the engine.
The AD indicates the bearings were manufactured with inadequate inner ring
guide flange clearance. The AD also indicates that the bearing failure mech
anism is severe and sudden and if not corrected, could result in engine mai
n rotor seizure resulting in engine damage, shutdown, and damage to the air
plane.
This AD requires an inspection of records to determine if a Dixie Aerospace
, LLC main shaft bearing, P/N 3108098-1WD, is your TPE331 engines. Within
10 operating hours, affected bearings must be removed from service.
If you have any questions regarding this AD, need logbook research or have
a suspect bearing in your engine, please call us at Aero Air.
For a copy of the actual AD, please click the "Learn More" button below.
Aero Air LLC
2050 NE 25th Ave.
Hillsboro, OR
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| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Slow flying, extended range and fuel consumption. |
Adam,
My post on this issue must have gone astray.
Old Bob is spot on, best range is at best NAMP (or equivalent expression)
nautical air miles per pound of fuel, which will be as Bob says. In our
airline, best NAMP was at best L/D IAS (CAS) or Mach No. approximately, and
unsurprisingly was called max. range cruise, MRC.
As Bob say, not a very practical speed due to speed instability. A more
practical speed we called LRC, long range cruise, being MRC + 1% --- in a
small aircraft, make it plus 5%, plus 1% is as impractical as right on MRC.
Indeed, as was well known in the days of big piston airliners, there were
two speeds for the same horsepower - on the right side of the MRC point on
the cruise graphs, and on the wrong (slow) side, "Getting on the step"
(thanks to the ex-flying boat pilots who progressed to the DC-4/6/7, Connie
etc. as they made their appearance in long haul flying) was a matter of
making certain you are on the "fast" side of MRC for the chosen cruise power
setting. Jets had (have) a much flatter L/D curve, but "getting on the step"
was still important, but for a slightly different aerodynamic reason ---- at
a given Mach No. the boundary layer adhesion (a significant contributor to
form drag) varies depending on whether you accelerate or decelerate to a
chosen cruising Mach No. In fact, before RVSM, there were some
autopilot/autothrottle systems that deliberately decelerated to a cruising
Mach No., and allowed the height to vary +/- 300 feet before any positive
control input.
Maximum endurance (holding speed) will be at Minimum Drag IAS = minimum
power = minimum fuel consumption, and varies little with height, as drag is
a function of IAS (really CAS), unless you are in a jet, then Mach No. makes
a minor difference.
Min. Cost Cruise is another matter altogether, but not really applicable to
most light aircraft operations.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B(at)aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Slow flying, extended range and fuel
consumption.
Good Morning Adam,
Just looking at some old posts and spotted this one. I do not recall any
comments so here is mine.
Your airplane will require the least amount of fuel to go one mile if it is
flown at the Best Lift over Drag speed as shown on the indicator. That is
IAS, not TAS.
I do not have relevant data for the Commander but I am confident that 90
knots is too slow. My Beech V35B gets best L/D at about 106 knots when at
gross weight. That speed will decrease as weight is decreased.
Since an early Commander has speeds comparable to my V35B, I would WAG that
a 520 would have similar speeds. The newer and heavier Commanders would
undoubtedly have a higher Best L/D speed. That speed works at all
altitudes. Way up high, you can get a pretty good True Airspeed at the low
Indicated Airspeed, but the miles per gallon will be the same at all
altitudes. Air Carrier aircraft generally try to cruise at a small
percentage faster than Best L/D to provide better speed stability and to
compensate for small speed excursions. The penalty for going too fast is
small while the inefficiency rises quite rapidly when going too slow. Back
when I was a gainfully employed aviator, we generally tried to fly at about
105 per cent of best L/D.
The increase in drag curve is rather flat at first, but the drag goes up
quite rapidly when you get more than twenty to thirty percent above best
L/D.
For an airplane with a best L/D speed of 106, I find that 120 knots
indicated still provides very close to optimum. 130 is nice with little
loss, and 140 still works, but is starting to noticeably decrease the range.
Consequently, I choose my cruising airspeed by analyzing the range I want
along with the time constraints of the mission. My default indicated
airspeed is 140 knots. For my airplane, that is a nice ball park number.
At FL250 that is a true airspeed of 210 knots. At sea level, it is only 140
knots, but the miles per gallon in a no wind condition are very close to
being the same.
Obviously there are a lot of variables that I have not mentioned, but good
economy of fuel used can be found by flying slightly faster than best L/D.
Most of us will also want to consider the value of time when planning any
individual flight. I hope this has given you a place to start when figuring
how fast you wish to fly your Commander.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Downers Grove, Illinois
Haven't flown a Commander in at least fifty years, but I liked them when I
was flying them .
In a message dated 8/5/2011 10:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
adam(at)adamfrisch.com writes:
Has anyone, just for kicks, explored the real low end spectrum of slow
flying and the fuel consumption there? My aircraft is in for her annual so
In haven't been able to try yet, but I will. I want to see what 70-90kts
cruise at altitude would give in fuel consumption. Has anyone tried? Be fun
to see just how far you could get if you're not in a hurry.
--------
Adam
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Pressure regulator |
Two items:
1 =93 Need to find out where the hydraulic pressure regulator is
located in an AC680 FLP Mr RPM Conversion. It=99s not in the same
place as prior to the MR RPM Conversion, and am not sure otherewise. We
thought it was part of the
hydraulic accumulator, but that appears not to be the case.
2. Does anyone have a pressure regulator for this airplane? What
about rebuilding such an item.
The plane has not flown in a year, and owner is interested in getting it
back in the air. The hydraulic pressure regulator needs attention we
think, as when the plane last flew there was a spike in hyd pressure at
one point. The engines have been run every month on the ground but the
plane has not acutally flown.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Flying "On the Step" |
Hello everybody,
I read the earlier emails--some questions on "Flying on the Step".
Out on the Internet there appears to be violent disagreement on whether
such a thing exists or not. Note: I'm not trying to brew up a storm,
just trying to understand.
My father taught me there was such a thing. I believed and still believe
there is; that flying on the step is not a myth. The way I rationalised
it then is as below, I appreciate folks setting me straight, either
on-list or off-list.
1.. There are 4 forces that act upon an aircraft:
1.. Thrust, which is directly forward
2.. Drag, which is directly rearward
3.. Weight, which is vertical down
4.. Lift, which is perpendicular to the aircraft wings, 'upward".
2.. As speed increases, so does lift.
3.. If the aircraft is in a nose down attitude, speed will increase
because:
1.. it is in a shallow dive
2.. lift, being perpendicular to the wings, will be assisting in
drawing the aircraft forward
4.. Altitude "lost" in the nose down attitude will be compensated by
the increased lift associated with the increased speed.
Is this simple logic valid or should I go and hide my head in shame
somewhere?
Thanks all in advance for your help in my understanding of this.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Donald Falik <dfalik(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressure regulator |
Good luck on the presure regulator.=C2-=C2- I needed one for my 500S a
couple years =0Aago.=C2- They are out of production and only one company
refurbishes them.=C2- I found =0Aone at Eagle Creek in Indianapolis.=C2
- It was $5,000.00+ =C2-plus a $2500.00 core =0Acharge in case yours is
not refurbishable.=C2- Then they charged an additional 3% =0Afee on the
total when I used my credit card.=0A=0AThe rebuild has to be done by an exc
lusive company due to some special brass =0A"seats".=C2- The fun never en
ds in aviation.=0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF
rom: Ray Mansfield =0ATo: Commander List =0ASent: Sun, August 21, 2011 7:04:48 PM=0ASubject: Commander
-List: Pressure regulator=0A=0A=0ATwo items:=0A=0A1 =93 Need to find
out where the hydraulic pressure regulator is located in an =0AAC680 FLP Mr
RPM Conversion.=C2- It=99s not in the same place as prior to the M
R RPM =0AConversion, and am not sure otherewise.=C2- We thought it was pa
rt of the=C2-=C2- =0A=0A=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- hydraulic accumu
lator, but that appears not to be the case.=C2- =0A=0A2.=C2- Does anyon
e have a pressure regulator for this airplane?=C2-=C2- What about =0Are
building such an item.=C2- =0A=0A=0AThe plane has not flown in a year, an
d owner is interested in getting it back in =0Athe air.=C2- The hydraulic
pressure regulator needs attention we think, as when the =0Aplane last fle
w there was a spike in hyd pressure at one point.=C2- The engines =0Ahave
been run every month on the ground but the plane has not acutally flown.
==================== =0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Pressure regulator |
Hi Don,
Wow...that doesn=99t sound good. I=99ve just recently found
out where the part is located but we haven=99t made any inquiries
about getting it check as of now. Thanks for the email.
Ray M.
From: Donald Falik
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pressure regulator
Good luck on the presure regulator. I needed one for my 500S a couple
years ago. They are out of production and only one company refurbishes
them. I found one at Eagle Creek in Indianapolis. It was $5,000.00+
plus a $2500.00 core charge in case yours is not refurbishable. Then
they charged an additional 3% fee on the total when I used my credit
card.
The rebuild has to be done by an exclusive company due to some special
brass "seats". The fun never ends in aviation.
Don
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
From: Ray Mansfield <hcourier(at)cox.net>
Sent: Sun, August 21, 2011 7:04:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Pressure regulator
Two items:
1 =93 Need to find out where the hydraulic pressure regulator is
located in an AC680 FLP Mr RPM Conversion. It=99s not in the same
place as prior to the MR RPM Conversion, and am not sure otherewise. We
thought it was part of the
hydraulic accumulator, but that appears not to be the case.
2. Does anyone have a pressure regulator for this airplane? What
about rebuilding such an item.
The plane has not flown in a year, and owner is interested in getting it
back in the air. The hydraulic pressure regulator needs attention we
think, as when the plane last flew there was a spike in hyd pressure at
one point. The engines have been run every month on the ground but the
plane has not acutally flown.
< B>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Flying "On the Step" |
Andrew,
This is purely an empirical observation, but in my 500B I've found that the
wing seems to become most efficient at an IAS of ~135kts+. There are huge
arguments for & against the 'step', but the benefit I've found is quicker
trimming.
Those smarter than me might be correct about flying it to the altitude, and
trimming from that point being no less efficient than overflying your
altitude by a couple hundred feet and dropping back down, but in my 500B it
seems to trim up much quicker, and at a higher airspeed sooner, if I fly it
a little higher and get on the step. If I DON'T do that, there are numerous
power/pitch/trim changes that need to be made before the airplane wants to
settle down. Think 15 minutes.
If I fly it onto the step, when I'm ~200ft above my target altitude, I can
point her downhill, close cowl flaps, pull the props back, set power, and do
the first big mixture grab. At that point the airplane is at its target
altitude and I only need about 60 seconds to get the trim where I want it.
Then I can focus on setting LOP and/or turbo boost, and the airplane will
stay rock-steady at the altitude. A slight trim adjustment over the next
minute or two is usually all it takes after that, and then I can settle in
for my hours of boredom at cruise.
Again, just anecdotal, but I sure seem to mess with the trim wheel a lot
less this way.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Flying "On the Step"
Hello everybody,
I read the earlier emails--some questions on "Flying on the Step".
Out on the Internet there appears to be violent disagreement on whether such
a thing exists or not. Note: I'm not trying to brew up a storm, just trying
to understand.
My father taught me there was such a thing. I believed and still believe
there is; that flying on the step is not a myth. The way I rationalised it
then is as below, I appreciate folks setting me straight, either on-list or
off-list.
1. There are 4 forces that act upon an aircraft:
1. Thrust, which is directly forward
2. Drag, which is directly rearward
3. Weight, which is vertical down
4. Lift, which is perpendicular to the aircraft wings, 'upward".
2. As speed increases, so does lift.
3. If the aircraft is in a nose down attitude, speed will increase
because:
1. it is in a shallow dive
2. lift, being perpendicular to the wings, will be assisting in drawing
the aircraft forward
4. Altitude "lost" in the nose down attitude will be compensated by the
increased lift associated with the increased speed.
Is this simple logic valid or should I go and hide my head in shame
somewhere?
Thanks all in advance for your help in my understanding of this.
Andrew
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Our Facebook Page |
I posted some of the comments on the mail-list to our FaceBook Page.
See if you like it:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | TCFG Fly-In/Gathering |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Hi Folks,
Just a reminder that you need to make your hotel reservation and send in yo
ur registration by Sept 1st. In addition to lots of good AeroCommander tal
k, there's lots of fun stuff to do and see.
Also, members please send any updates to your personal info for the Directo
ry (address, phone #s, pics of your aircraft, etc). Also send us a note if
you have any recommendations for the vendor directory (additions, deletion
s, recommendations). Send them to yourtcfg(at)aol.com.
Thanks. Look forward to seeing you at Willow Run (KYIP) next month.
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Flying "On the Step" |
Folks,
Any number of text books on the basics of aerodynamics will explain. My
favourite is Mechanics of Flight, A.C.Kermode.
It should not be "controversial", being a matter of settled physics of
flight. All that varies between aircraft is the shape of the curve --- for
"older" aircraft there is a pronounced peak, for jet aircraft the curve is
quite flat, as has been previously mentioned, and as I noted, there is
another factor at work with a jet --- Mach. No. and boundary layer adhesion
---- but the practical flying techniques are the same ---- descend on the
cruise level, or decelerate to the steady speed at the desired power
setting.
Doing as John V. does is as good as any way of staying on the front side of
the lift / drag curve.
"On the step" is a bit misleading, hailing from flying boat days, but serves
a purpose, but what is really happening, as I mentioned in a previous post,
is that there are (except right on the peak of the curve, a speed unstable
place to try and stay) two speeds for the same power/thrust ---- either side
of the peak --- what John V. describes is the most common way to make
certain you are on the "fast" side of the peak.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flying "On the Step"
Andrew,
This is purely an empirical observation, but in my 500B I've found that the
wing seems to become most efficient at an IAS of ~135kts+. There are huge
arguments for & against the 'step', but the benefit I've found is quicker
trimming.
Those smarter than me might be correct about flying it to the altitude, and
trimming from that point being no less efficient than overflying your
altitude by a couple hundred feet and dropping back down, but in my 500B it
seems to trim up much quicker, and at a higher airspeed sooner, if I fly it
a little higher and get on the step. If I DON'T do that, there are numerous
power/pitch/trim changes that need to be made before the airplane wants to
settle down. Think 15 minutes.
If I fly it onto the step, when I'm ~200ft above my target altitude, I can
point her downhill, close cowl flaps, pull the props back, set power, and do
the first big mixture grab. At that point the airplane is at its target
altitude and I only need about 60 seconds to get the trim where I want it.
Then I can focus on setting LOP and/or turbo boost, and the airplane will
stay rock-steady at the altitude. A slight trim adjustment over the next
minute or two is usually all it takes after that, and then I can settle in
for my hours of boredom at cruise.
Again, just anecdotal, but I sure seem to mess with the trim wheel a lot
less this way.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew &
Bridget Watson
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Flying "On the Step"
Hello everybody,
I read the earlier emails--some questions on "Flying on the Step".
Out on the Internet there appears to be violent disagreement on whether such
a thing exists or not. Note: I'm not trying to brew up a storm, just trying
to understand.
My father taught me there was such a thing. I believed and still believe
there is; that flying on the step is not a myth. The way I rationalised it
then is as below, I appreciate folks setting me straight, either on-list or
off-list.
1. There are 4 forces that act upon an aircraft:
1. Thrust, which is directly forward
2. Drag, which is directly rearward
3. Weight, which is vertical down
4. Lift, which is perpendicular to the aircraft wings, 'upward".
2. As speed increases, so does lift.
3. If the aircraft is in a nose down attitude, speed will increase
because:
1. it is in a shallow dive
2. lift, being perpendicular to the wings, will be assisting in drawing
the aircraft forward
4. Altitude "lost" in the nose down attitude will be compensated by the
increased lift associated with the increased speed.
Is this simple logic valid or should I go and hide my head in shame
somewhere?
Thanks all in advance for your help in my understanding of this.
Andrew
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Thompson" <richard(at)flycorp.com.au> |
Hi all,
Know this is not really a commander question but.
Do any of you know or have had dealings with Bob Cullen at Chino.
Reason is we are looking to buy a Beech 18.
Anyone know where we can find a decent 18?
Cheers
Richard
680E"s and a short strip. You gotta love them.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Richard,
You just missed a great 18F, one of the last batch built (original owner, Mayor
Daley of Chicago) right under your nose.
It has just taken up residence with its new owner in Perth, delivered from YSBK
in the last few days ---- and the $$$ was a steel, AUD$140,000, one low time
engine, one half life, two almost new props, all ADs up to date, but some avionics
National Trust classification eligible.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
> Richard Thompson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Know this is not really a commander question but.
>
> Do any of you know or have had dealings with Bob Cullen at Chino.
>
> Reason is we are looking to buy a Beech 18.
>
>
>
> Anyone know where we can find a decent 18?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> 680E"s and a short strip. You gotta love them.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "n395v" <Bearcat(at)bearcataviation.com> |
Look here
http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/Current%20Inventory/N214CR%20Beechcraft%20AT-11.htm
--------
Milt
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350736#350736
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
I have know Bob for a number of years and have been to his operation a
number of times.
I have not purchased any aircraft from him. He seems to have a good
reputation.
He is a small single or two man operation. The service work is done by
sub contractors. He has been around a long time.
I just checked his new web site and did not see a Twin Beach.
Do you need someone to go look at something?
There was a Twin Beach for sale in New Mexico that I heard about.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron St. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Aug 15, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Richard Thompson wrote:
> Hi all,
> Know this is not really a commander question but.
> Do any of you know or have had dealings with Bob Cullen at Chino.
> Reason is we are looking to buy a Beech 18.
>
> Anyone know where we can find a decent 18?
>
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> 680E=94s and a short strip. You gotta love them.
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Richard Thompson" <richard(at)flycorp.com.au> |
Milt,
How are you?
Long time no see or hear.
Cheers
Richard
P.s. We are looking for a civvy, passenger not an ex freight dog, tailwheel
airplane.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n395v
Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Enquiry
Look here
http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/Current%20Inventory/N214CR%20Beechcraft%20AT
-11.htm
--------
Milt
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350736#350736
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> |
I have my Twin Bonanza maintained by a shop that specializes in Beech 18s.
- I'm sure they know much of the fleet out there and if anyone is looking
to sell.=0A=0ABlackhawk Aircraft Maintenance is the shop.- Nick and Joe
Quint are the father and son team.- Don't be put off by the pace of their
speech, they know their stuff, and know where the bodies are buried.- Ve
ry nice folks, too.=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.beech18specialists.com/=0A=0APhil=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Hi Rich,
Have you talked to Ian about this one: http://classifieds.aviationadvertiser.com.au/detail.php?id=1900
I think it is VH-FIE - really nice and has been well looked after over a long period.
You might snag it for around $180K - which would be good value - already on the
ground here in Oz.
Let me know how you go...
Cheers
Russell
On 16/08/2011, at 9:05 AM, Richard Thompson wrote:
>
> Milt,
> How are you?
> Long time no see or hear.
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> P.s. We are looking for a civvy, passenger not an ex freight dog, tailwheel
> airplane.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n395v
> Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011 10:30 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Enquiry
>
>
> Look here
> http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/Current%20Inventory/N214CR%20Beechcraft%20AT
> -11.htm
>
> --------
> Milt
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350736#350736
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Zac Armstrong <transam403(at)hotmail.com> |
If you want a Beech 18 expert=2C contact Butch Card at Stetson Aviation in
Karnes County=2C TX.
They have restored a "few" oshkosh and sun n fun winners and have a D18 for
sale right now. They are a small family run shop with Butch and his sons w
orking on the aircraft. Their website is
www.stetsonaviation.com.
Phone numbers etc are on the website. Regardless of where you buy from=2C I
would pick their brains on the aircraft as they are super nice guys and kn
ow their stuff. .
Hope it helps.
Zac Armstrong
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bonda
ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to
liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f
rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy
to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc
eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r
emember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa
ntayana.
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Enquiry
> From: rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au
> Date: Sun=2C 28 Aug 2011 21:23:26 +0930
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
u>
>
> Hi Rich=2C
>
> Have you talked to Ian about this one: http://classifieds.aviationadverti
ser.com.au/detail.php?id=1900
>
> I think it is VH-FIE - really nice and has been well looked after over a
long period.
>
> You might snag it for around $180K - which would be good value - already
on the ground here in Oz.
>
> Let me know how you go...
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> On 16/08/2011=2C at 9:05 AM=2C Richard Thompson wrote:
>
rp.com.au>
> >
> > Milt=2C
> > How are you?
> > Long time no see or hear.
> > Cheers
> > Richard
> >
> > P.s. We are looking for a civvy=2C passenger not an ex freight dog=2C t
ailwheel
> > airplane.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n395v
> > Sent: Saturday=2C 27 August 2011 10:30 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Enquiry
> >
com>
> >
> > Look here
> > http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/Current%20Inventory/N214CR%20Beechcraft
%20AT
> > -11.htm
> >
> > --------
> > Milt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350736#350736
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Richard,
As a guide, the one I mentioned went for AUD$140,000, it was a trike with all Ads
up to date and in good shape.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Russell Legg wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> Have you talked to Ian about this one:
> http://classifieds.aviationadvertiser.com.au/detail.php?id=1900
>
> I think it is VH-FIE - really nice and has been well looked after over a
> long period.
>
> You might snag it for around $180K - which would be good value - already
> on the ground here in Oz.
>
> Let me know how you go...
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> On 16/08/2011, at 9:05 AM, Richard Thompson wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Milt,
> > How are you?
> > Long time no see or hear.
> > Cheers
> > Richard
> >
> > P.s. We are looking for a civvy, passenger not an ex freight dog,
> tailwheel
> > airplane.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n395v
> > Sent: Saturday, 27 August 2011 10:30 PM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: Enquiry
> >
>
> >
> > Look here
> >
> http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/Current%20Inventory/N214CR%20Beechcraft%2
> 0AT
> > -11.htm
> >
> > --------
> > Milt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350736#350736
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Richard,
Re. Chino, I checked with two of my best friends, who happen to be long time Chino,
their advice ( as on the spot locals) is that "caveat emptor" reigns supreme,
with bells and whistles.
Personally, this goes anywhere, there are no friends where a $$ is concerned.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
===============================================================
> Russell Legg wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Rich,
>
> Have you talked to Ian about this one:
> http://classifieds.aviationadvertiser.com.au/detail.php?id=1900
>
> I think it is VH-FIE - really nice and has been well looked after over a
> long period.
>
> You might snag it for around $180K - which would be good value - already
> on the ground here in Oz.
>
> Let me know how you go...
>
> Cheers
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> On 16/08/2011, at 9:05 AM, Richard Thompson wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Milt,
> > How are you?
> > Long time no see or hear.
> > Cheers
> > Richard
> >
> > P.s. We are looking for a civvy, passenger not an ex freight dog,
> tailwheel
> > airplane.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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| From: | "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Richard,
Give me a call, 0408 876 526.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Enquiry
Hi all,
Know this is not really a commander question but.
Do any of you know or have had dealings with Bob Cullen at Chino.
Reason is we are looking to buy a Beech 18.
Anyone know where we can find a decent 18?
Cheers
Richard
680E"s and a short strip. You gotta love them.
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| Subject: | Flyin Registration |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Just a reminder that you need to make your hotel reservations no later than
midnight tomorrow night in order to secure the group rate.
See attached for more info.
Hope to see you at Willow Run in a few weeks.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Hi Folks,
Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We're getting excited to reconnect wi
th many of you at the Fly-In this month. If you haven't registered yet and
plan to attend, send us an e-mail and let us know so we can give the cater
ers an appropriate headcount.
Happy Flying.....
~jb
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Hi JimBob,
I'll be there!
Flights & hotels booked a few weeks ago.
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 06 September 2011 16:25
Subject: Commander-List: Flyin
Hi Folks,
Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We're getting excited to reconnect
with many of you at the Fly-In this month. If you haven't registered yet
and plan to attend, send us an e-mail and let us know so we can give the
caterers an appropriate headcount.
Happy Flying.....
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Philip Guziec <philipguziec(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Anybody have a source for an Airborne 2b6-82 fuel pump, |
any condition?
Message says it all.- I need cores to get the right fuel pumps on my IO 7
20s.=0A=0AThanks,=0APhil=0A
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net> |
Jim, I was hoping to make it but have a Dr.'s appointment and will not be
able to go. My Commander is still down for an inspection but we are going to
get started soon I hope.
Ya'll have fun.
Jim A
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flyin
Hi Folks,
Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We're getting excited to reconnect
with many of you at the Fly-In this month. If you haven't registered yet
and plan to attend, send us an e-mail and let us know so we can give the
caterers an appropriate headcount.
Happy Flying.....
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Looks like I have a job in Chicago on the 16th, 19th and 20th, so I should be able
to make it for the 17th and 18th. N20VE is still at Morris's and they had
just found a cracked cylinder. With a bit of luck I'll be able to get her to Chicago
in time for my work and subsequently for the fly-in.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351576#351576
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
We'll sure miss you Jim. Hope your Commander is back flying soon!
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 1:51 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Flyin
Jim, I was hoping to make it but have a Dr.=99s appointment and will
not be able to go. My Commander is still down for an inspection but we are
going to get started soon I hope.
Ya=99ll have fun.
Jim A
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t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:25 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Flyin
Hi Folks,
Hope you all had a wonderful summer. We're getting excited to reconnect wi
th many of you at the Fly-In this month. If you haven't registered yet and
plan to attend, send us an e-mail and let us know so we can give the cater
ers an appropriate headcount.
Happy Flying.....
~jb
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| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
That would be great Adam. Would love to see you there with or without your
Commander, but with it would definitely be better!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 2:21 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Flyin
Looks like I have a job in Chicago on the 16th, 19th and 20th, so I should
be
ble to make it for the 17th and 18th. N20VE is still at Morris's and they h
ad
ust found a cracked cylinder. With a bit of luck I'll be able to get her to
hicago in time for my work and subsequently for the fly-in.
--------
dam
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| From: | "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM> |
| Subject: | 500B VOLTAGE REGULATOR |
ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GET A VOLTAGE REGULATOR( (PN # 1119656 DELCO REMY
OR EQUAL) FOR A 500B ?
THANKS LLOYD N6290X.
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: 500B VOLTAGE REGULATOR |
| From: | Morris Kernick <comserv500s(at)GMAIL.COM> |
Lloyd: Do you have generators or alternators? If you have generators,
I have a pair of solid state Zefftronic regulators we removed when we
did a 100 amp alternator conversion. I highly recommend changing over
to solid state regulators. The weakest link in the generator system is
the Delco mechanical regulators. Overhauled units from Kelly aerospace
are expensive, & do not work very well. I have installed several sets
of these Zefftronics units, with only one failure in 15 years. You can
reach me at 209-982-9203 or cell 321-403-8813, Morris Kernick,
Commander Services
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:23 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
> ANY IDEAS WHERE I CAN GET A VOLTAGE REGULATOR( (PN # 1119656 DELCO REMY OR
> EQUAL) FOR A 500B ?
> THANKS LLOYD N6290X.
>
>
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| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Sorry guys. Made it as far as Chicago (Palwaukee) and tried to take off today to
join you, but on the takeoff roll the left engine wouldn't develop full power
and almost had me in the ditch. After much rigmarole I managed to find chap
at airport who did a compression test. Two cylinders gone, one with exhaust valve
problems and the other with an oil ring. So there we are. Hopefully I'll have
it solved by the end of the week so I can get back home. Hope to catch you
next year.
--------
Adam
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Well, folks, I couldn't make it although I'd hoped and pushed till the last
minute.
We will look to next year's event.
Thanks,
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Willow Run Fly-In |
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Jim & Sue,
Thanks for another great Fly-In event. Sandy and I had a great time!
The big secret to the success of the TCFG Fly-Ins is - the people - the
Commander enthusiasts who attend year after year and make our RSVP a
quick and easy decision.
I say this even though one of those special people snuck up behind my
airplane as I was preparing for departure today - and whilst busy with
such things as writing down the ATIS / copying the IFR clearance /
dialing in frequencies / entering the flight plan into the GPS, etc.,
etc. - said person puts what appear to be 2 small railroad ties around
my starboard tire - so that when I go to taxi (and severely cannot) I
wonder through a checklist of possibilities: "Why am I not moving? ... I
have plenty of power ... The parking brake is not on. Oh no! ... God
NO! Did I forget to remove the chocks as I try to taxi right here in
front of Captain Jim Bob, Sue, et al? No wait - I know I didn't! There
was only 1 and I pulled it away - I know I did! ... What in the hell is
going on!?"
The accused shall go un-named so as to prevent retaliation - such as
receiving unwanted rudder awards.
Thanks to all who attended and especially to those who presented or
added their experience and knowledge to the group.
Bob and Sandy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Willow Run Fly-In |
*Hi Bob Steele & all on the TCFG website,*
*Bob great e-mail, don't feel bad about the chocks I have done it more
than I want to admit. I also want to say, great TCFG get together this
year too. I hope we can have the TCFG get together next year at
Dulles/Washington. I think I told almost everyone at the TCFG this year
about my experience going to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles that
opened in 2004 (it is really special) and it took my breath away! Cpt
Jim/Bob & Sue thank you again for a great job. With our great country
we just have to get things turned around, seeing Kalitta and all of us
getting the $.05/25 tour reinforces to me, not giving up and failure is
not an option. Also hearing Chris Wall's story again never gets old and
what a special story that really exemplifies the American spirit.
Take care all , fly safe and all the best. (give your Commander a hug
and if I can help with Commandeer technical assistance etc please feel
free to call or e-mail me) PS-in the past I have not been able to
e-mail to the TCFG web site but I will try this time*
*YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner* :-)
*cell 913-221-4857*
On 9/18/2011 3:50 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
>
> Jim & Sue,
>
> Thanks for another great Fly-In event. Sandy and I had a great time!
>
> The big secret to the success of the TCFG Fly-Ins is -- the people --
> the Commander enthusiasts who attend year after year and make our RSVP
> a quick and easy decision.
>
> I say this even though one of those special people snuck up behind my
> airplane as I was preparing for departure today -- and whilst busy
> with such things as writing down the ATIS / copying the IFR clearance
> / dialing in frequencies / entering the flight plan into the GPS,
> etc., etc. -- said person puts what appear to be 2 small railroad ties
> around my starboard tire -- so that when I go to taxi (and severely
> cannot) I wonder through a checklist of possibilities: "Why am I not
> moving? ... I have plenty of power ... The parking brake is not on.
> Oh no! ... God NO! Did I forget to remove the chocks as I try to
> taxi right here in front of Captain Jim Bob, Sue, et al? No wait -- I
> know I didn't! There was only 1 and I pulled it away -- I know I did!
> ... What in the hell is going on!?"
>
> The accused shall go un-named so as to prevent retaliation -- such as
> receiving unwanted rudder awards.
>
> Thanks to all who attended and especially to those who presented or
> added their experience and knowledge to the group.
>
> Bob and Sandy
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Willow Run Fly-In |
Hi John,
Nice report on the flyin for those of us who couldn't be there; also the
email from Bob and Sandy. Thanks.
What exactly are you trying to do when you say that you are not able to
e-mail to the TCFG's website? I'd like to fix it if I can get a better
understanding of what is failing.
Please also visit the Commander facebook page and click on "Like" to
indicate that you are a fan. You may recognize a lot of stuff folks have
sent to us over the past couple of years:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Thanks
Nico
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Towner
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:55 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Willow Run Fly-In
Hi Bob Steele & all on the TCFG website,
Bob great e-mail, don't feel bad about the chocks I have done it more than I
want to admit. I also want to say, great TCFG get together this year too.
I hope we can have the TCFG get together next year at Dulles/Washington. I
think I told almost everyone at the TCFG this year about my experience going
to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles that opened in 2004 (it is really
special) and it took my breath away! Cpt Jim/Bob & Sue thank you again for
a great job. With our great country we just have to get things turned
around, seeing Kalitta and all of us getting the $.05/25 tour reinforces to
me, not giving up and failure is not an option. Also hearing Chris Wall's
story again never gets old and what a special story that really exemplifies
the American spirit.
Take care all , fly safe and all the best. (give your Commander a hug and
if I can help with Commandeer technical assistance etc please feel free to
call or e-mail me) PS-in the past I have not been able to e-mail to the
TCFG web site but I will try this time
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
cell 913-221-4857
On 9/18/2011 3:50 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
Jim & Sue,
Thanks for another great Fly-In event. Sandy and I had a great time!
The big secret to the success of the TCFG Fly-Ins is - the people - the
Commander enthusiasts who attend year after year and make our RSVP a quick
and easy decision.
I say this even though one of those special people snuck up behind my
airplane as I was preparing for departure today - and whilst busy with such
things as writing down the ATIS / copying the IFR clearance / dialing in
frequencies / entering the flight plan into the GPS, etc., etc. - said
person puts what appear to be 2 small railroad ties around my starboard tire
- so that when I go to taxi (and severely cannot) I wonder through a
checklist of possibilities: "Why am I not moving? ... I have plenty of power
. The parking brake is not on. Oh no! . God NO! Did I forget to remove the
chocks as I try to taxi right here in front of Captain Jim Bob, Sue, et al?
No wait - I know I didn't! There was only 1 and I pulled it away - I know I
did! . What in the hell is going on!?"
The accused shall go un-named so as to prevent retaliation - such as
receiving unwanted rudder awards.
Thanks to all who attended and especially to those who presented or added
their experience and knowledge to the group.
Bob and Sandy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Willow Run Fly-In |
As a helicopter instructor I would always indoctrinate my new students
by banging in rhythmic fashion on the landing skid the moment they
shutdown the engine, always good for a chuckle.
Tom
former C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Steele, Bob
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Willow Run Fly-In
Jim & Sue,
Thanks for another great Fly-In event. Sandy and I had a great time!
The big secret to the success of the TCFG Fly-Ins is - the people -
the Commander enthusiasts who attend year after year and make our RSVP a
quick and easy decision.
I say this even though one of those special people snuck up behind my
airplane as I was preparing for departure today - and whilst busy with
such things as writing down the ATIS / copying the IFR clearance /
dialing in frequencies / entering the flight plan into the GPS, etc.,
etc. - said person puts what appear to be 2 small railroad ties around
my starboard tire - so that when I go to taxi (and severely cannot) I
wonder through a checklist of possibilities: "Why am I not moving? ... I
have plenty of power . The parking brake is not on. Oh no! . God NO!
Did I forget to remove the chocks as I try to taxi right here in front
of Captain Jim Bob, Sue, et al? No wait - I know I didn't! There was
only 1 and I pulled it away - I know I did! . What in the hell is going
on!?"
The accused shall go un-named so as to prevent retaliation - such as
receiving unwanted rudder awards.
Thanks to all who attended and especially to those who presented or
added their experience and knowledge to the group.
Bob and Sandy
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
Thanks to everyone who attended the TCFG Fly-In at Willow Run Airport and m
ade it such a special event. We had an awesome time and are still wearing
big smiles from the memories!! Couldn't ask for a greater group of people
to spend a few days with telling stories, laughing and talking Commanders.
We'll let Moe tell you about a special pair of boots he received/won at au
ction for being such a "kick ass pilot"
A big thank you to the group of attendees for your generosity in raising ov
er $2,000 for the Blue Goose restoration!! WOW!!!
If you've never attended you really need to make it a priority to come next
year and meet some of these incredible people. You're guaranteed to have a
great time. BTW. we're taking suggestions on where to have the event nex
t year -- some suggested venues include the Washington DC area, Branson, MO
, and Colorado Springs.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
P.S. Always remember to remove your chalks prior to taxi (Bob & Bob)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
HI-ALL, =0A-=0ASORRY THAT EVERYONE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND A GREAT WEEK
END IN DETROIT.- AS USUAL SUE PUT TOGETHER A GREAT WEEKEND WITH PLENTY TO
DO.- JIM MAY HAVE HELPED.- AS THEY SAY AT CHURCH IT WAS GOOD FOOD AND
FELLOWSHIP.=0A-=0AAFTER SPENDING SOME TIME WITH OLDER MEMBERS, JIM, BUDDY
AND MOE I SENT THEM SOME INFO ON HOOVER ROUND CHAIRS I THOUGHT THEY WOULD
BE INTERESTED IN.- =0A-=0AFLY SAFE, =0Adan farmer
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | GO-435 troubles... |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi.
My left engine did not develop full power on my way out of Chicago to get to the
fly-in and I had to abort, which was really sad after have come all the way
from California to join you for the first time. I was devastated. Anyway, two
cylinders were down and after I finally found a guy to pull them on the field
he saw stuff he didn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the cylinders.
The oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,
he might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old engines
before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm in a
bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an executive field with
mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and Atlantic...
I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and trying to find a solution
for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I thought I'd consult the board
as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's in decent shape, or known to fly, with
papers, or no papers, that could eventually be for sale anywhere reasonably?
I need to resolve my situation and get her back home. I fear this could take
months and months again if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day will
ruin me...
I'm very disheartened at the moment.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352812#352812
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Hi.
My left engine did not develop full power on my way out of Chicago to get to the
fly-in and I had to abort, which was really sad after have come all the way
from California to join you for the first time. I was devastated. Anyway, two
cylinders were down and after I finally found a guy to pull them on the field
he saw stuff he didn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the cylinders.
The oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,
he might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old engines
before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm in a
bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an executive field with
mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and Atlantic...
I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and trying to find a solution
for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I thought I'd consult the board
as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's in decent shape, or known to fly, with
papers, or no papers, that could eventually be for sale anywhere reasonably?
I need to resolve my situation and get her back home. I fear this could take
months and months again if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day will
ruin me...
I'm very disheartened at the moment.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352813#352813
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 09/20/11 |
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We had an awesome time and are still wearing =0A>big smiles from the memori
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with telling stories, laughing and talking Commanders. =0A>We'll let Moe te
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ng such a "kick ass pilot"=0A>=0A>A big thank you to the group of attendees
for your generosity in raising ov=0A>er $2,000 for the Blue Goose restorat
ion!!- WOW!!!- =0A>=0A>If you've never attended you really need to make
it a priority to come next=0A>year and meet some of these incredible peopl
e. You're guaranteed to have a=0A>great time.- BTW. we're taking suggest
ions on where to have the event nex=0A>t year -- some suggested venues incl
ude the Washington DC area, Branson, MO=0A>, and Colorado Springs. =0A>=0A>
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ATTEND A GREAT WEEK =0A>END IN DETROIT.- AS USUAL SUE PUT TOGETHER A GREAT
WEEKEND WITH PLENTY TO=0A>DO.- JIM MAY HAVE HELPED.- AS THEY SAY AT CHURCH
IT WAS GOOD FOOD AND =0A>FELLOWSHIP.=0A-=0AAFTER SPENDING SOME TIME WI
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ubject: Commander-List: GO-435 troubles...=0A>From: "stratobee" <adam@adamf
risch.com>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi.=0A>=0A>My left engine did not develop full power
on my way out of Chicago to get to the=0A>fly-in and I had to abort, which
was really sad after have come all the way=0A>from California to join you f
or the first time. I was devastated. Anyway, two=0A>cylinders were down and
after I finally found a guy to pull them on the field=0A>he saw stuff he d
idn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the cylinders.=0A>The
oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,=0A>he
might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old engines
=0A>before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm
in a=0A>bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an execut
ive field with=0A>mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and
Atlantic... =0A>=0A>I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and
trying to find a solution=0A>for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I
thought I'd consult the board=0A>as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's
in decent shape, or known to fly, with=0A>papers, or no papers, that could
eventually be for sale anywhere reasonably?=0A>I need to resolve my situat
ion and get her back home. I fear this could take=0A>months and months agai
n if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day will=0A>ruin me...=0A>
=0A>I'm very disheartened at the moment.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Adam=0A>=0A>=0A
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ST US=0A>Subject: Commander-List: GO-435...=0A>From: "stratobee" <adam@adam
frisch.com>=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi.=0A>=0A>My left engine did not develop full power
on my way out of Chicago to get to the=0A>fly-in and I had to abort, which
was really sad after have come all the way=0A>from California to join you
for the first time. I was devastated. Anyway, two=0A>cylinders were down an
d after I finally found a guy to pull them on the field=0A>he saw stuff he
didn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the cylinders.=0A>Th
e oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,=0A>he
might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old engines
=0A>before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm
in a=0A>bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an execut
ive field with=0A>mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and
Atlantic... =0A>=0A>I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and
trying to find a solution=0A>for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I
thought I'd consult the board=0A>as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's
in decent shape, or known to fly, with=0A>papers, or no papers, that could
eventually be for sale anywhere reasonably?=0A>I need to resolve my situat
ion and get her back home. I fear this could take=0A>months and months agai
n if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day will=0A>ruin me...=0A>
=0A>I'm very disheartened at the moment.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Adam=0A>=0A>=0A
>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-435 troubles... |
What happened to 4186B after the gas truck hit it? Should be two good
engines available there.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "kitepilot(at)kitepilot.com" <kitepilot(at)kitepilot.com> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-435 troubles... |
Probably not what you want to hear but...
Years ago (in my first real flight as a newly minted aircraft owner), I
landed with an engine emergency in Broomfield CO.
It was obvious that the airplane was going to be stranded for weeks.
I explained the situation to the people at Signature and they immediately
gave me a "monthly" that was more of a gift than a rate.
Talk to them, it may be cheaper than buying an engine.
Yet...
ET
PS: Full story at http://kitepilot.com/viking/horror_story.htm
From Alaska: (download the video and play with VLC) :)
http://www.kitepilot.com/AK/champ-roll-needs-vlc.MPEG
http://www.kitepilot.com/AK/champ-spin-needs-vlc.MPEG
http://www.kitepilot.com/AK/click-here-to-download-Vlc-Media-Player.html
stratobee writes:
>
> Hi.
>
> My left engine did not develop full power on my way out of Chicago to get to
the fly-in and I had to abort, which was really sad after have come all the way
from California to join you for the first time. I was devastated. Anyway, two
cylinders were down and after I finally found a guy to pull them on the field
he saw stuff he didn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the cylinders.
The oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,
he might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old engines
before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm in
a bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an executive field
with mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and Atlantic...
>
> I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and trying to find a solution
for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I thought I'd consult the board
as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's in decent shape, or known to fly,
with papers, or no papers, that could eventually be for sale anywhere reasonably?
I need to resolve my situation and get her back home. I fear this could take
months and months again if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day
will ruin me...
>
> I'm very disheartened at the moment.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352812#352812
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 09/20/11 |
I think Music City U.S.A.( Nashville ,Tn. ) would be a fun place and is
central to a lot of other fun places to visit .Gil
In a message dated 9/21/2011 12:58:55 A.M. Central America Standard ,
commander-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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4. 06:13 PM - GO-435... (stratobee)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Thanks to everyone who attended the TCFG Fly-In at Willow Run Airport and m
ade it such a special event. We had an awesome time and are still wearing
big smiles from the memories!! Couldn't ask for a greater group of people
to spend a few days with telling stories, laughing and talking Commanders.
We'll let Moe tell you about a special pair of boots he received/won at au
ction for being such a "kick ass pilot"
A big thank you to the group of attendees for your generosity in raising ov
er $2,000 for the Blue Goose restoration!! WOW!!!
If you've never attended you really need to make it a priority to come next
year and meet some of these incredible people. You're guaranteed to have a
great time. BTW. we're taking suggestions on where to have the event nex
t year -- some suggested venues include the Washington DC area, Branson, MO
, and Colorado Springs.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
P.S. Always remember to remove your chalks prior to taxi (Bob & Bob)
________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Commander-List: FLY IN
HI-ALL, =0A-=0ASORRY THAT EVERYONE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND A GREAT WEEK
END IN DETROIT.- AS USUAL SUE PUT TOGETHER A GREAT WEEKEND WITH PLENTY TO
DO.- JIM MAY HAVE HELPED.- AS THEY SAY AT CHURCH IT WAS GOOD FOOD AND
FELLOWSHIP.=0A-=0AAFTER SPENDING SOME TIME WITH OLDER MEMBERS, JIM, BUDDY
AND MOE I SENT THEM SOME INFO ON HOOVER ROUND CHAIRS I THOUGHT THEY WOULD
BE INTERESTED IN.- =0A-=0AFLY SAFE, =0Adan farmer
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Subject: Commander-List: GO-435 troubles...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Hi.
My left engine did not develop full power on my way out of Chicago to get
to the
fly-in and I had to abort, which was really sad after have come all the way
from California to join you for the first time. I was devastated. Anyway,
two
cylinders were down and after I finally found a guy to pull them on the
field
he saw stuff he didn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the
cylinders.
The oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,
he might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old
engines
before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm in
a
bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an executive
field with
mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and Atlantic...
I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and trying to find a
solution
for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I thought I'd consult the board
as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's in decent shape, or known to
fly, with
papers, or no papers, that could eventually be for sale anywhere
reasonably?
I need to resolve my situation and get her back home. I fear this could
take
months and months again if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day
will
ruin me...
I'm very disheartened at the moment.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352812#352812
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Subject: Commander-List: GO-435...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Hi.
My left engine did not develop full power on my way out of Chicago to get
to the
fly-in and I had to abort, which was really sad after have come all the way
from California to join you for the first time. I was devastated. Anyway,
two
cylinders were down and after I finally found a guy to pull them on the
field
he saw stuff he didn't like and he wouldn't sign off on just repairing the
cylinders.
The oil ring had disintegrated and they found metal in the engine. Now,
he might be "overreacting", having never worked on Commanders or old
engines
before, or he might have a point. Nevertheless, regardless of which I'm in
a
bad pickle - aircraft stuck 1800 miles away from home on an executive
field with
mostly big jets and the parking pricing of Signature and Atlantic...
I have JimBob and Morris with the ear to the ground and trying to find a
solution
for me and I'm very grateful for that. But I thought I'd consult the board
as well - does anyone know of any GO-435's in decent shape, or known to
fly, with
papers, or no papers, that could eventually be for sale anywhere
reasonably?
I need to resolve my situation and get her back home. I fear this could
take
months and months again if I don't act swiftly and the parking at $30/day
will
ruin me...
I'm very disheartened at the moment.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352813#352813
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com> |
Those were not chalks - they were railroad ties!
________________________________
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Thanks to everyone who attended the TCFG Fly-In at Willow Run Airport
and made it such a special event. We had an awesome time and are still
wearing big smiles from the memories!! Couldn't ask for a greater group
of people to spend a few days with telling stories, laughing and talking
Commanders. We'll let Moe tell you about a special pair of boots he
received/won at auction for being such a "kick ass pilot"
A big thank you to the group of attendees for your generosity in raising
over $2,000 for the Blue Goose restoration!! WOW!!!
If you've never attended you really need to make it a priority to come
next year and meet some of these incredible people. You're guaranteed to
have a great time. BTW. we're taking suggestions on where to have the
event next year -- some suggested venues include the Washington DC area,
Branson, MO, and Colorado Springs.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
P.S. Always remember to remove your chalks prior to taxi (Bob & Bob)
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Willow Run Fly-In |
| From: | yourtcfg(at)aol.com |
John,
Thanks so very much for arranging the tour of Kalitta's amazing operation.
It was definitely one of the highlights of the event and does give you a g
limmer or hope about our economy. Nice to see a thriving business in today
's chaotic business climate.
Was wonderful seeing you again, John!! Will keep you posted on next year's
event.
~Jim & Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 18, 2011 2:59 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Willow Run Fly-In
Hi Bob Steele & all on the TCFG website,
Bob great e-mail, don't feel bad about the chocks I have done it more than
I want to admit. I also want to say, great TCFG get together this year too
. I hope we can have the TCFG get together next year at Dulles/Washington.
I think I told almost everyone at the TCFG this year about my experience
going to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles that opened in 2004 (it is re
ally special) and it took my breath away! Cpt Jim/Bob & Sue thank you agai
n for a great job. With our great country we just have to get things turne
d around, seeing Kalitta and all of us getting the $.05/25 tour reinforces
to me, not giving up and failure is not an option. Also hearing Chris Wal
l's story again never gets old and what a special story that really exempli
fies the American spirit.
Take care all , fly safe and all the best. (give your Commander a hug and
if I can help with Commandeer technical assistance etc please feel free to
call or e-mail me) PS-in the past I have not been able to e-mail to the T
CFG web site but I will try this time
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
cell 913-221-4857
On 9/18/2011 3:50 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
Jim & Sue,
Thanks for another great Fly-In event. Sandy and I had a great time!
The big secret to the success of the TCFG Fly-Ins is =93 the people
=93 the Commander enthusiasts who attend year after year and make our
RSVP a quick and easy decision.
I say this even though one of those special people snuck up behind my airpl
ane as I was preparing for departure today =93 and whilst busy with s
uch things as writing down the ATIS / copying the IFR clearance / dialing i
n frequencies / entering the flight plan into the GPS, etc., etc. =93
said person puts what appear to be 2 small railroad ties around my starboa
rd tire =93 so that when I go to taxi (and severely cannot) I wonder
through a checklist of possibilities: "Why am I not moving? ... I have plen
ty of power The parking brake is not on. Oh no! God NO
! Did I forget to remove the chocks as I try to taxi right here in front o
f Captain Jim Bob, Sue, et al? No wait =93 I know I didn=99t!
There was only 1 and I pulled it away =93 I know I did! Wh
at in the hell is going on!?"
The accused shall go un-named so as to prevent retaliation =93 such a
s receiving unwanted rudder awards.
Thanks to all who attended and especially to those who presented or added t
heir experience and knowledge to the group.
Bob and Sandy
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| Subject: | Re: looking for 520 |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
N19KD is for sale. Run out engines and has been sitting for a while.
--------
Adam
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=352982#352982
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Jim=2C
Thanks very much for being my P.R. man! It is such an honor to be the only
one named in your email about the event.
Surely you and Peter heard the conversation that I had with the Lineman at
Active Aero Services at departure time. It seems that he also is a boots a
ficionado and was duly impressed with the fact that they are genuine Mexica
n Leather. Later=2C while refueling at Hill City=2C Kansas (HLC) the City
Manager (also the Airport Manager) saw them in the back of the plane and wa
s so happy about the boots that he smiled broadly. As an aside=2C this is
really a nice airport with $ 5.25 avgas. Next week plans call for a flight
to Los Angeles=2C so naturally a photo of the boots was emailed to a young
lady that I hang out with when in the Los Angeles area=2C and she has sugg
ested that they not be worn in the West Los Angeles/ Eastern Beverly Hills
area. Obviously she is concerned that some of the Hollywierd types might m
ug me to get the boots. I can hardly wait until Halloween=2C they will loo
k so in style with my pirate suit.
The kick ass pilot thing had not come to mind=2C however=2C it has become t
he truth=2C and will be repeated by myself repeatedly.
Hopefuly=2C Sue is at least half as happy with her new bracelet=2C as I am
with the boots.
This was really a fun event! The trip to Ford=2C and actually being in a 7
47-400 sim are things that will never be forgotten.
Branson or D.C. would be good for next year=2C but in the past went to Colo
rado Springs several times with the first ex wife to vesit her relatives=2C
and don't remember much of anything good there.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Tue=2C 20 Sep 2011 16:43:14 -0400
Thanks to everyone who attended the TCFG Fly-In at Willow Run Airport and m
ade it such a special event. We had an awesome time and are still wearing
big smiles from the memories!! Couldn't ask for a greater group of people
to spend a few days with telling stories=2C laughing and talking Commanders
. We'll let Moe tell you about a special pair of boots he received/won at
auction for being such a "kick ass pilot"
A big thank you to the group of attendees for your generosity in raising ov
er $2=2C000 for the Blue Goose restoration!! WOW!!!
If you've never attended you really need to make it a priority to come next
year and meet some of these incredible people. You're guaranteed to have a
great time. BTW. we're taking suggestions on where to have the event nex
t year -- some suggested venues include the Washington DC area=2C Branson
=2C MO=2C and Colorado Springs.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
P.S. Always remember to remove your chalks prior to taxi (Bob & Bob)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Willow Run Fly-In |
Hi John,
Let me know if you still have problems with emailing to the site. I couldn't
replicate the problem the last time I checked, so if it still acts up, let
me know exactly where in the site you are when the problem occurs.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Willow Run Fly-In
John,
Thanks so very much for arranging the tour of Kalitta's amazing operation.
It was definitely one of the highlights of the event and does give you a
glimmer or hope about our economy. Nice to see a thriving business in
today's chaotic business climate.
Was wonderful seeing you again, John!! Will keep you posted on next year's
event.
~Jim & Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 18, 2011 2:59 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Willow Run Fly-In
Hi Bob Steele & all on the TCFG website,
Bob great e-mail, don't feel bad about the chocks I have done it more than I
want to admit. I also want to say, great TCFG get together this year too.
I hope we can have the TCFG get together next year at Dulles/Washington. I
think I told almost everyone at the TCFG this year about my experience going
to the new Air & Space Museum at Dulles that opened in 2004 (it is really
special) and it took my breath away! Cpt Jim/Bob & Sue thank you again for
a great job. With our great country we just have to get things turned
around, seeing Kalitta and all of us getting the $.05/25 tour reinforces to
me, not giving up and failure is not an option. Also hearing Chris Wall's
story again never gets old and what a special story that really exemplifies
the American spirit.
Take care all , fly safe and all the best. (give your Commander a hug and
if I can help with Commandeer technical assistance etc please feel free to
call or e-mail me) PS-in the past I have not been able to e-mail to the
TCFG web site but I will try this time
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
cell 913-221-4857
On 9/18/2011 3:50 PM, Steele, Bob wrote:
Jim & Sue,
Thanks for another great Fly-In event. Sandy and I had a great time!
The big secret to the success of the TCFG Fly-Ins is - the people - the
Commander enthusiasts who attend year after year and make our RSVP a quick
and easy decision.
I say this even though one of those special people snuck up behind my
airplane as I was preparing for departure today - and whilst busy with such
things as writing down the ATIS / copying the IFR clearance / dialing in
frequencies / entering the flight plan into the GPS, etc., etc. - said
person puts what appear to be 2 small railroad ties around my starboard tire
- so that when I go to taxi (and severely cannot) I wonder through a
checklist of possibilities: "Why am I not moving? ... I have plenty of power
. The parking brake is not on. Oh no! . God NO! Did I forget to remove the
chocks as I try to taxi right here in front of Captain Jim Bob, Sue, et al?
No wait - I know I didn't! There was only 1 and I pulled it away - I know I
did! . What in the hell is going on!?"
The accused shall go un-named so as to prevent retaliation - such as
receiving unwanted rudder awards.
Thanks to all who attended and especially to those who presented or added
their experience and knowledge to the group.
Bob and Sandy
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| From: | Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com> |
Moe,
I was part of the contracting team that put the Jet A Tank at Hill City, KS this
spring.
How did it look?
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron St. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Sep 22, 2011, at 7:43 PM, Moe Mills wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Thanks very much for being my P.R. man! It is such an honor to be the only one
named in your email about the event.
>
> Surely you and Peter heard the conversation that I had with the Lineman at Active
Aero Services at departure time. It seems that he also is a boots aficionado
and was duly impressed with the fact that they are genuine Mexican Leather.
Later, while refueling at Hill City, Kansas (HLC) the City Manager (also the
Airport Manager) saw them in the back of the plane and was so happy about the
boots that he smiled broadly. As an aside, this is really a nice airport with
$ 5.25 avgas. Next week plans call for a flight to Los Angeles, so naturally
a photo of the boots was emailed to a young lady that I hang out with when
in the Los Angeles area, and she has suggested that they not be worn in the West
Los Angeles/ Eastern Beverly Hills area. Obviously she is concerned that
some of the Hollywierd types might mug me to get the boots. I can hardly wait
until Halloween, they will look so in style with my pirate suit.
>
> The kick ass pilot thing had not come to mind, however, it has become the truth,
and will be repeated by myself repeatedly.
>
>
> Hopefuly, Sue is at least half as happy with her new bracelet, as I am with the
boots.
>
> This was really a fun event! The trip to Ford, and actually being in a 747-400
sim are things that will never be forgotten.
>
> Branson or D.C. would be good for next year, but in the past went to Colorado
Springs several times with the first ex wife to vesit her relatives, and don't
remember much of anything good there.
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
> From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:43:14 -0400
>
> Thanks to everyone who attended the TCFG Fly-In at Willow Run Airport and made
it such a special event. We had an awesome time and are still wearing big smiles
from the memories!! Couldn't ask for a greater group of people to spend
a few days with telling stories, laughing and talking Commanders. We'll let
Moe tell you about a special pair of boots he received/won at auction for being
such a "kick ass pilot"
>
> A big thank you to the group of attendees for your generosity in raising over
$2,000 for the Blue Goose restoration!! WOW!!!
>
> If you've never attended you really need to make it a priority to come next year
and meet some of these incredible people. You're guaranteed to have a great
time. BTW. we're taking suggestions on where to have the event next year --
some suggested venues include the Washington DC area, Branson, MO, and Colorado
Springs.
>
> ~Jim & Sue Metzger
>
> P.S. Always remember to remove your chalks prior to taxi (Bob & Bob)
>
>
>
>
> st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GO-435 troubles... |
| From: | "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com> |
Looks like they'll be able to patch the left engine together after sending pictures
to Lycoming of the cam, which is good news. They didn't like the look of
it at the shop, but it's been cleared. Engine is getting close to TBO, so it's
normal wear.
Hunt still continues - need to replace those 435's sooner rather than later..
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353046#353046
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| From: | "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)telus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: GO-435 troubles... |
That *is* good news, Adam. Only this morning I was thinking of you;
concerned about your troubles. Glad things are going the right way for you.
Good stuff!
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:22 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
> Looks like they'll be able to patch the left engine together after sending
> pictures to Lycoming of the cam, which is good news. They didn't like the
> look of it at the shop, but it's been cleared. Engine is getting close to
> TBO, so it's normal wear.
>
> Hunt still continues - need to replace those 435's sooner rather than
> later..
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353046#353046
>
>
>
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| From: | Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com> |
Tyler=2C
Not being a Jet A type of guy I didn't give the Jet A apparatus much scruti
ny=2C however=2C everything at HLC is well taken care of and very neat
so I am sure that it is all good.
Moe Mills
Kick Ass Pilot with custom boots
From: tylorhall(at)mac.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
Date: Fri=2C 23 Sep 2011 09:48:48 -0600
Moe=2C
I was part of the contracting team that put the Jet A Tank at Hill City=2C
KS this spring.
How did it look?
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems=2C Inc.
100 Iron St. SE
Albuquerque=2C NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Sep 22=2C 2011=2C at 7:43 PM=2C Moe Mills wrote:
Jim=2C
Thanks very much for being my P.R. man! It is such an honor to be the only
one named in your email about the event.
Surely you and Peter heard the conversation that I had with the Lineman at
Active Aero Services at departure time. It seems that he also is a boots a
ficionado and was duly impressed with the fact that they are genuine Mexica
n Leather. Later=2C while refueling at Hill City=2C Kansas (HLC) the City
Manager (also the Airport Manager) saw them in the back of the plane and wa
s so happy about the boots that he smiled broadly. As an aside=2C this is
really a nice airport with $ 5.25 avgas. Next week plans call for a flight
to Los Angeles=2C so naturally a photo of the boots was emailed to a young
lady that I hang out with when in the Los Angeles area=2C and she has sugg
ested that they not be worn in the West Los Angeles/ Eastern Beverly Hills
area. Obviously she is concerned that some of the Hollywierd types might m
ug me to get the boots. I can hardly wait until Halloween=2C they will loo
k so in style with my pirate suit.
The kick ass pilot thing had not come to mind=2C however=2C it has become t
he truth=2C and will be repeated by myself repeatedly.
Hopefuly=2C Sue is at least half as happy with her new bracelet=2C as I am
with the boots.
This was really a fun event! The trip to Ford=2C and actually being in a 7
47-400 sim are things that will never be forgotten.
Branson or D.C. would be good for next year=2C but in the past went to Colo
rado Springs several times with the first ex wife to vesit her relatives=2C
and don't remember much of anything good there.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Tue=2C 20 Sep 2011 16:43:14 -0400
Thanks to everyone who attended the TCFG Fly-In at Willow Run Airport and m
ade it such a special event. We had an awesome time and are still wearing
big smiles from the memories!! Couldn't ask for a greater group of people
to spend a few days with telling stories=2C laughing and talking Commanders
. We'll let Moe tell you about a special pair of boots he received/won at
auction for being such a "kick ass pilot"
A big thank you to the group of attendees for your generosity in raising ov
er $2=2C000 for the Blue Goose restoration!! WOW!!!
If you've never attended you really need to make it a priority to come next
year and meet some of these incredible people. You're guaranteed to have a
great time. BTW. we're taking suggestions on where to have the event nex
t year -- some suggested venues include the Washington DC area=2C Branson
=2C MO=2C and Colorado Springs.
~Jim & Sue Metzger
P.S. Always remember to remove your chalks prior to taxi (Bob & Bob)
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
New TFR established by FAA.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click Like on the site to show your support for Aero Commanders.
Thanks
Nico
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander TCFG |
=0A=0AI-sent -a post about a week ago but I never saw it, dont know whe
re it went.=0A-=0AI missed the last two TCFG weekends but I made an extra
effort this year.- It was a great and informative time as usual.-- I
want to pass my thanks to SUE and jim Metzger for all the effort.- SUE b
ecause she does all the leg work and effort and jim because he married SUE!
- The Henry Ford Museum is really great as well as the other attractions
in Ypsilanti.- =0A-=0AI know these are difficult times, financially, bu
t a lot of effort goes into keeping this group functioning by the Metzgers
and they provide a terrific service to the rest of us.- They save Command
er owners untold amount of time and lots of money by keeping this forum ali
ve.- I personally could not own a Commander if it were not for this group
.- It would not be feasible for me to own my airplane if I could not rely
on this group, through the Metzgers, Towners, Kernick and all the sources
of information and parts knowledge and availability.- What I am trying to
say is that the TCFG saves you a lot of money, time and frustration plus i
t is a lot of fun and fellowship with like minded people.--We are a ver
y small group and we need to band together to keep it going.- We need the
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander TCFG |
Well said, Dan. I am publishing your letter on the Aerocommander Facebook
page. It reflects my sentiments exactly. I have planned to join the folks at
a fly-in now for many years and every year things got in the way that I
couldn't ignore. Next year is the next goal. Camarillo airport would be a
great venue with the Confederate (Commemorative) Airforce Museum there and
all.
You can visit our facebook page at:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
See you there.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:10 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander TCFG
I sent a post about a week ago but I never saw it, dont know where it went.
I missed the last two TCFG weekends but I made an extra effort this year.
It was a great and informative time as usual. I want to pass my thanks to
SUE and jim Metzger for all the effort. SUE because she does all the leg
work and effort and jim because he married SUE! The Henry Ford Museum is
really great as well as the other attractions in Ypsilanti.
I know these are difficult times, financially, but a lot of effort goes into
keeping this group functioning by the Metzgers and they provide a terrific
service to the rest of us. They save Commander owners untold amount of time
and lots of money by keeping this forum alive. I personally could not own a
Commander if it were not for this group. It would not be feasible for me to
own my airplane if I could not rely on this group, through the Metzgers,
Towners, Kernick and all the sources of information and parts knowledge and
availability. What I am trying to say is that the TCFG saves you a lot of
money, time and frustration plus it is a lot of fun and fellowship with like
minded people. We are a very small group and we need to band together to
keep it going. We need the group and the group needs us!! Puulleeeese plan
to attend next years get together!
sincerely,
dan farmer
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| From: | "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu> |
Hello Commander folks,
Great thanks for Sue & Jim (who does some stuff here and there), and all the presenters.
These meetings are fun but also informative.
I don't need to add a lot more than what Dan Farmer said about the Fly-IN. If you
have a Commander you'll learn so many more tricks surrounded by experts who
have proven themselves over the decades which I don't need to mention since we
know who they are. You'll also be surprised on how much the users also know
about these greatly designed machines.
I don't have a Commander, but surely being around this group of people my road
to find one is clearer every yearly attendance; best of all, I truly enjoy the
very small group.
It was an eye opener to visit Kalitta Air, what an operation (thanks John Towner);
I'm leaving for Paris tomorrow, and I won't see the airline the same way since
this visit!
Chris Wall's adventure was also a highlight, not just to hear his story but see
how he deals with Commanders as well, was really inspiring and has planted ideas
in me that hopefully will give fruits in the future.
The walk around the plane is another favorite for me, and it has even helped me
to point out procedures to other Commander drivers.
For those who couldn't attend and that are regulars, you'll recognize the usual
crowd; it's great to see few new faces as well (look who's talking).
As usual, scroll and pick up anything you want, it's open to the public and you
can download anything you want.
Take care you all and see you next year... we hope!
https://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG11Select?authuser=0&feat=directlink
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| From: | "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
Thank you for the update and pictures, Peter.
I took the liberty of publishing them on our Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG Fly-In
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Hello Commander folks,
Great thanks for Sue & Jim (who does some stuff here and there), and all the
presenters. These meetings are fun but also informative.
I don't need to add a lot more than what Dan Farmer said about the Fly-IN.
If you have a Commander you'll learn so many more tricks surrounded by
experts who have proven themselves over the decades which I don't need to
mention since we know who they are. You'll also be surprised on how much the
users also know about these greatly designed machines.
I don't have a Commander, but surely being around this group of people my
road to find one is clearer every yearly attendance; best of all, I truly
enjoy the very small group.
It was an eye opener to visit Kalitta Air, what an operation (thanks John
Towner); I'm leaving for Paris tomorrow, and I won't see the airline the
same way since this visit!
Chris Wall's adventure was also a highlight, not just to hear his story but
see how he deals with Commanders as well, was really inspiring and has
planted ideas in me that hopefully will give fruits in the future.
The walk around the plane is another favorite for me, and it has even helped
me to point out procedures to other Commander drivers.
For those who couldn't attend and that are regulars, you'll recognize the
usual crowd; it's great to see few new faces as well (look who's talking).
As usual, scroll and pick up anything you want, it's open to the public and
you can download anything you want.
Take care you all and see you next year... we hope!
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May 08, 2011 - September 30, 2011
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