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September 30, 2011 - February 08, 2012
Commander-Archive.digest.vol-ew
September 30, 2011 - February 08, 2012
Peter
Thanks for the evidence!
Bob
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
Hello Commander folks,
Great thanks for Sue & Jim (who does some stuff here and there), and all
the presenters. These meetings are fun but also informative.
I don't need to add a lot more than what Dan Farmer said about the
Fly-IN. If you have a Commander you'll learn so many more tricks
surrounded by experts who have proven themselves over the decades which
I don't need to mention since we know who they are. You'll also be
surprised on how much the users also know about these greatly designed
machines.
I don't have a Commander, but surely being around this group of people
my road to find one is clearer every yearly attendance; best of all, I
truly enjoy the very small group.
It was an eye opener to visit Kalitta Air, what an operation (thanks
John Towner); I'm leaving for Paris tomorrow, and I won't see the
airline the same way since this visit!
Chris Wall's adventure was also a highlight, not just to hear his story
but see how he deals with Commanders as well, was really inspiring and
has planted ideas in me that hopefully will give fruits in the future.
The walk around the plane is another favorite for me, and it has even
helped me to point out procedures to other Commander drivers.
For those who couldn't attend and that are regulars, you'll recognize
the usual crowd; it's great to see few new faces as well (look who's
talking).
As usual, scroll and pick up anything you want, it's open to the public
and you can download anything you want.
Take care you all and see you next year... we hope!
https://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG11Select?authuser=0&feat=direc
tlink
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Subject: Re: TCFG Fly-In
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Sep 30, 2011
Nice pics, Peter!
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Subject: NICE FLIGHT
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 03, 2011
HI KIDS......I had a really nice flight home last Friday. I had spent mos
t of last week working with Morris K in Stockton. He has a huge amount of
work (a good thing in this "Barack Hussein Obama" economy) and I was happy
to help. When it was time to come home, it occurred to me that one of the
airplane we were working on lived in the Seattle area and Washougal was on
the way home. I flew home in Dave Phifer's gorgious 500B with the Merlyn 3
20HP turbo conversion. The airplane is just beautiful with new paint, inte
rior, windows, avionics, everything.
A cool thing happened on the way home. The weather was clear an a mill
ion but I decided to take flight following to stay clear of the many fire T
FRs. As I was handed off to Seattle Center, a bit north of K Falls, in the
middle of nowhere, The controller advised me my traffic was at "nine o'clo
ck and nine miles, a Baron converging, and my radar shows you WILL converge
". Well! She gave the Baron the same info and we began looking for each o
ther. I picked him up at about seven miles separation and called it in. T
he baron still did not see me. Finally the controller called us 4 miles an
d converging. The Baron driver called, rather tersely, "Twin Commander, wh
at is you ground speed?" "236 KTS" I relayed. After several second of sil
ence I asked "Baron, what is YOUR ground speed?" no answer I wonder why!!
. He finally saw me and we passed close enough for me to read his N number
s. I called in the blind and just said, "imagine, we left from different p
laces, at different times, and came this close". The controller came back
and said we had passed each other "less than three tenths of a mile and les
s than one hundred feet apart" Pretty close!
Anyway, it was a great trip home in a great airplane! jb
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From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: NICE FLIGHT
Date: Oct 02, 2011
I posted it on our facebook page, if you don't mind, JB. I just couldn't
resist. Such a good story.
Thanks
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: NICE FLIGHT
HI KIDS......I had a really nice flight home last Friday. I had spent most
of last week working with Morris K in Stockton. He has a huge amount of
work (a good thing in this "Barack Hussein Obama" economy) and I was happy
to help. When it was time to come home, it occurred to me that one of the
airplane we were working on lived in the Seattle area and Washougal was on
the way home. I flew home in Dave Phifer's gorgious 500B with the Merlyn
320HP turbo conversion. The airplane is just beautiful with new paint,
interior, windows, avionics, everything.
A cool thing happened on the way home. The weather was clear an a
million but I decided to take flight following to stay clear of the many
fire TFRs. As I was handed off to Seattle Center, a bit north of K Falls,
in the middle of nowhere, The controller advised me my traffic was at "nine
o'clock and nine miles, a Baron converging, and my radar shows you WILL
converge". Well! She gave the Baron the same info and we began looking for
each other. I picked him up at about seven miles separation and called it
in. The baron still did not see me. Finally the controller called us 4
miles and converging. The Baron driver called, rather tersely, "Twin
Commander, what is you ground speed?" "236 KTS" I relayed. After several
second of silence I asked "Baron, what is YOUR ground speed?" no answer I
wonder why!!. He finally saw me and we passed close enough for me to read
his N numbers. I called in the blind and just said, "imagine, we left from
different places, at different times, and came this close". The controller
came back and said we had passed each other "less than three tenths of a
mile and less than one hundred feet apart" Pretty close!
Anyway, it was a great trip home in a great airplane! jb
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Subject: Re: NICE FLIGHT
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 03, 2011
All I can add to that is....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g64PbPP3uuo
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Date: Oct 08, 2011
Subject: N6212X
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
Anyone know whose flying N6212X to KHND today?
Can you have me contact me on 702-496-9112.
Thanks
Wing Commander Gordon
Keith S Gordon
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Date: Oct 08, 2011
From: Brock Lorber <blorber(at)southwestcirrus.com>
Subject: Re: N6212X
Hey, Keith:
You are officially requested to contact yourself. See the number below. :-)
Brock
Keith S. Gordon wrote:
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Date: Oct 08, 2011
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: N6212X
Toooo funny....69PT is for sale, 500B awesome.=0A=0A=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/4
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Date: Oct 08, 2011
Subject: Re: N6212X
From: "Keith S. Gordon" <cloudcraft(at)aol.com>
We'll that explains why I keep answering my own phone, doesn't it?
Still learning my way around this genius phone.
Keith S Gordon
via Samsung InfuseAT&T
Brock Lorber wrote:
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>Brock
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>Keith S. Gordon wrote:
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Subject: Textbook water ditching.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 08, 2011
Nice footage. Glad everyone is safe.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/08/us/hawaii-plane-emergency/index.html
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Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2011
In Chicago to pick her up. Did a high speed taxi and run today and all was fine.
Just in case, I will be routing south through New Mexico to avoid the grunt
of the Rockies for my flight back to California.
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 13, 2011
Adam,
Let me know when you will be arriving in New Mexico and will come out to the airport.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron St. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:05 PM, stratobee wrote:
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Just in case, I will be routing south through New Mexico to avoid the grunt
of the Rockies for my flight back to California.
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Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 13, 2011
I will, Taylor! Probably be Sat.
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 13, 2011
Adam=2C
If you have any problems while in Northern New Mexico call me at (310) 350-
4594. I am in Farmington (FMN or N19) and have a truck and trailer with lo
ts of tools and parts.
Best of luck.
Moe Mills
N680RR
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Thu=2C 13 Oct 2011 17:33:51 -0700
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From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 14, 2011
Mo, I think I may get John Towner's battery system approved on a field
approval for my "A" model. If it goes through I will let you know how we did
it.
Jim A N444BD
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Adam,
If you have any problems while in Northern New Mexico call me at (310)
350-4594. I am in Farmington (FMN or N19) and have a truck and trailer with
lots of tools and parts.
Best of luck.
Moe Mills
N680RR
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:51 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 14, 2011
Thanks Moe!
So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not accepted
at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's my
own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had to
get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and time
consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope I can
get enough fuel to get back.
Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down, move
on to the next.
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 14, 2011
Adam,
How far did you get today?
I was on a trip this week and I called my card company and told them I would be
traveling. It seemed to help.
Tylor Hall
tylorhall(at)mac.com
First Fueling Systems, Inc.
100 Iron St. SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
505-400-8373 Cell
505-247-3001
505-247-3005 FAX
www.firstfueling.com
On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
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> Thanks Moe!
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> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not
accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's
my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had
to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and
time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope I
can get enough fuel to get back.
>
> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down,
move on to the next.
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Date: Oct 15, 2011
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: Victor Rupert <v-man@v-man.net>
It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells Fargo... I had
to do it while traveling too.
Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
stratobee wrote:
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>Thanks Moe!
>
>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not
accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's
my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had to
get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and
time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope I
can get enough fuel to get back.
>
>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down,
move on to the next.
>
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>Adam
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From: "William J Hamilton" <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: 680-FL(P)
Date: Oct 15, 2011
Folks,
Sadly it looks most likely that 680-FL(P) 1695-35, VH-BTN, is headed for
the scrapyard in the sky. It is a Mr. RPM conversion, IO-720s.
The aircraft has been operated in aerial survey unpressurised for many
years, and it has exceeded is Australian fatigue life, and it seems like
CASA will not even consider a Special Flight Permit (ferry permit) to
fly it outside the country. Under the applicable Australian AD, the life
limit is only 11,200 hours, this aircraft has had a number of extensions
up to the now ~14,200. Having inspected the aircraft, my guess is that
the amount of work to do to put it back on the N register and ferry to
US would exceed the market value of the aircraft in its present
condition.
I do have a question that somebody might be able to answer.
According to out AD, there was a structural change for the FL and FL(P)
from serial #1731, from an external spar strap to an internal spar
strap.
The question is, can the pre #1731 original wing be modified to the
#1731 and on =9Cinternal spar strap=9D standard?
If so, and economically possible, that would extend the wing life to
30,000 hours, a dramatic change from 11,200.
See:<
http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth/airwd/schedules/ad_display.asp?sessi
on=1308359129
<http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth/airwd/schedules/ad_display.asp?sess
ion=1308359129&pc=PC_90830&sched=under&toc=AC>
&pc=PC_90830&sched=under&toc=AC> and go to AD/AC/66
Tootle pip=BC
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
Every time I went away and pumped more then $3,000.00 of fuel into the hay
burner they would stop the card entirely, I would have to call them after
the rejection of the transaction..."For your own safety" they said.
Tom
Formally C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
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From: "Victor Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
> It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells Fargo...
> I had to do it while traveling too.
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> Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
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> stratobee wrote:
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>>Thanks Moe!
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>>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
>>not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny
>>that - it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
>>Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
>>extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new
>>daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
>>
>>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
>>down, move on to the next.
>>
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>>Adam
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
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From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
My American Express has never failed me yet. Last week I put a $3=2C100.00
Credit purchase with no problem. However=2C my next purchase was much small
er and I had to call and tell them I was traveling. No problems after that.
I thanked them for looking out for me.
Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> Date: Sat=2C 15 Oct 2011 05:59:56 -0700
>
p.bc.ca>
>
> Every time I went away and pumped more then $3=2C000.00 of fuel into the
hay
> burner they would stop the card entirely=2C I would have to call them aft
er
> the rejection of the transaction..."For your own safety" they said.
> Tom
> Formally C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net>
> To:
> Sent: Friday=2C October 14=2C 2011 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
>
> >
> > It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells Fargo
...
> > I had to do it while traveling too.
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
> >
> > stratobee wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Thanks Moe!
> >>
> >>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit car
ds
> >>not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny
> >>that - it's my own money on the debit card=2C but I can't access it! Ba
nks.
> >>Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
> >>extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with n
ew
> >>daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
> >>
> >>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
> >>down=2C move on to the next.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
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From: "Victor C. Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
My wife reminds me the wells fargo is indeed $25,000 for the debit. I'm
digitally challenged ( enough to fly even a commander for an hour or two )
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland
Gilliam
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
My American Express has never failed me yet. Last week I put a $3,100.00
Credit purchase with no problem. However, my next purchase was much smaller
and I had to call and tell them I was traveling. No problems after that. I
thanked them for looking out for me.
Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B
> From: tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:59:56 -0700
>
>
> Every time I went away and pumped more then $3,000.00 of fuel into the hay
> burner they would stop the card entirely, I would have to call them after
> the rejection of the transaction..."For your own safety" they said.
> Tom
> Formally C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Victor Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
>
> >
> > It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells
Fargo...
> > I had to do it while traveling too.
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T
> >
> > stratobee wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Thanks Moe!
> >>
> >>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit
cards
> >>not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny
> >>that - it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it!
Banks.
> >>Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
> >>extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with
new
> >>daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
> >>
> >>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
> >>down, move on to the next.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
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From: "BillLeff1(at)aol.com" <BillLeff1(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 15, 2011
Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
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Date: Oct 15, 2011
From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
*Hello Adam "aka stratobee"*
My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
through to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I
have read many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for
what you have been through and I wish I could help but I have followed
many of the postings and in my opinion you have received *some excellent
advice* from the TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli-
ma I can certainly relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if
you communicate with AX they will work with you (we currently pay for
all of our fuel nightly with our AX card and they have been very good to
work with). Take care and if there is anything I can help you with you
e-mail me direct for sometimes my e-mails do not go through (old age
setting in). Oh! and if you want any Bob Hoover videos I can send you
some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's aircraft between air show and
of course that was much fun) Take care, fly safe and all the best.
*RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner :-)
Central Air
MKC Kansas City*
On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
> --> Commander-List message posted by: "stratobee"
>
> Thanks Moe!
>
> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not
accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's
my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had
to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and
time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope I
can get enough fuel to get back.
>
> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down,
move on to the next.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
>
>
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Date: Oct 15, 2011
From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Commander-Fuel Valves
Hi gang,
Just found and fixed yet another leak on 747H! Running clean again. Does
anyone have a line on an overhaul kit, or shop that overhauls the fuels valves
on the 223 gallon birds. There are 4 in each wing, 2 for fuel (main/aux), one
each for oil and hydraulic. Mine are worn out in the left wing and are getting
slow. Appreciate any help!
Thanks,
Craig
N747H, 560F
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
Jim=2C
I would really appreciate that.
Moe
From: jtaddington(at)verizon.net
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Fri=2C 14 Oct 2011 20:54:36 -0500
Mo=2C I think I may get John Towner=92s battery system approved on a field
approval for my =93A=94 model. If it goes through I will let you know how w
e did it.
Jim A N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Thursday=2C October 13=2C 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Adam=2C
If you have any problems while in Northern New Mexico call me at (310) 350-
4594. I am in Farmington (FMN or N19) and have a truck and trailer with lo
ts of tools and parts.
Best of luck.
Moe Mills
N680RR
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Thu=2C 13 Oct 2011 17:33:51 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I will=2C Taylor! Probably be Sat.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354961#354961
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronic
s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
Adam=2C
Sorry to hear about the credit card delima.
Some time ago I landed and taxied up to the fuel island. It was after hours
and the weather wasn't too good. What appeared to be a father and son team
walked over and said theat the pumps were inop=2C and that the older of t
he two had trid both of his cards with no sucess. I stuck one of my cards
in the slot and proceeded to pump 150+ gallons in my Commander. I then tol
d them that if they would give me some cash that I would use my card and pu
mp some fuel into their bird. The father then proceeded to tell me that "w
e never carry any cash" in a somewhat smug manner. The only thing that I c
ould think of to say was "sorry I can't help you". Sometimes cash is still
king. Some of the smaller mom and pop operations still give a minor disco
unt for cash or will give you the fleet rate. My standard line is "lookey
here=2C things are a little tight now=2C what is the cheapest way I can get
some fuel and get out of here".
Regards=2C
Moe
N680RR
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Fri=2C 14 Oct 2011 20:41:20 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Thanks Moe!
>
> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that
- it's my own money on the debit card=2C but I can't access it! Banks. Eve
ntually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extreme
ly annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily li
mits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
>
> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes d
own=2C move on to the next.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
UP date on travels of Adam,
He stopped at KAEG here in New Mexico just before Lunch today.
We had lunch. And he proceeded on westward. In search of lower priced AVGAS.
He has an Ipad with the chart bag software that shows the fuel prices all along
the way.
Tylor Hall
> Adam,
>
> Sorry to hear about the credit card delima.
>
> Some time ago I landed and taxied up to the fuel island. It was after hours and
the weather wasn't too good. What appeared to be a father and son team walked
over and said theat the pumps were inop, and that the older of the two had
trid both of his cards with no sucess. I stuck one of my cards in the slot and
proceeded to pump 150+ gallons in my Commander. I then told them that if they
would give me some cash that I would use my card and pump some fuel into their
bird. The father then proceeded to tell me that "we never carry any cash"
in a somewhat smug manner. The only thing that I could think of to say was
"sorry I can't help you". Sometimes cash is still king. Some of the smaller
mom and pop operations still give a minor discount for cash or will give you the
fleet rate. My standard line is "lookey here, things are a little tight now,
what is the cheapest way I can get some fuel and get out of here".
>
> Regards,
> Moe
> N680RR
>
> > Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> > From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:41:20 -0700
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Thanks Moe!
> >
> > So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not
accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's
my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had
to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and
time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope
I can get enough fuel to get back.
> >
> > Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down,
move on to the next.
> >
> > --------
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
> >
> > -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> > _====================
> > _====
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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From: William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Date: Oct 16, 2011
Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
Bill,
There was a link to the CASA web site at the bottom of the message, which will
bring up all the ADs applicable to all Aero Commanders in AU.
Look down the list to no. 66, open it up, it's a PDF, and there you have it.
If the link doesn't work, go to , click on the AD page, click on the "under 5700kg" page, find and click on "Twin Commander", and look for No. 66.
The search function is lousy, entering AD/AC/66 doesn't work, for some strange
bureaucratic reason.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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> BillLeff1(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Wing can not be modified to the internal strap. How can I get the wing
> life documentation? I use to have a copy done by Aero Commander but
> can't find it
>
>
> Bill Leff
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 06:19:40 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Commander-List: 680-FL(P)
>
> Folks,
>
> Sadly it looks most likely that 680-FL(P) 1695-35, VH-BTN, is headed for
> the scrapyard in the sky. It is a Mr. RPM conversion, IO-720s.
>
>
>
> The aircraft has been operated in aerial survey unpressurised for many
> years, and it has exceeded is Australian fatigue life, and it seems like
> CASA will not even consider a Special Flight Permit (ferry permit) to
> fly it outside the country. Under the applicable Australian AD, the life
> limit is only 11,200 hours, this aircraft has had a number of extensions
> up to the now ~14,200. Having inspected the aircraft, my guess is that
> the amount of work to do to put it back on the N register and ferry to
> US would exceed the market value of the aircraft in its present
> condition.
>
>
>
> I do have a question that somebody might be able to answer.
>
>
>
> According to out AD, there was a structural change for the FL and FL(P)
> from serial #1731, from an external spar strap to an internal spar
> strap.
>
>
>
> The question is, can the pre #1731 original wing be modified to the
> #1731 and on internal spar strap standard?
>
>
>
> If so, and economically possible, that would extend the wing life to
> 30,000 hours, a dramatic change from 11,200.
>
>
>
> See:<
> http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth/airwd/schedules/ad_display.asp?sessi
> on=1308359129
> <http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth/airwd/schedules/ad_display.asp?sess
> ion=1308359129&pc=PC_90830&sched=under&toc=AC> &pc=PC_90830&sched
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From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 15, 2011
After all this time I finally found someone that normally says no to
everything and he said you do it this way and they can't turn it down. We
will see.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Jim,
I would really appreciate that.
Moe
_____
From: jtaddington(at)verizon.net
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:54:36 -0500
Mo, I think I may get John Towner's battery system approved on a field
approval for my "A" model. If it goes through I will let you know how we did
it.
Jim A N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:48 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Adam,
If you have any problems while in Northern New Mexico call me at (310)
350-4594. I am in Farmington (FMN or N19) and have a truck and trailer with
lots of tools and parts.
Best of luck.
Moe Mills
N680RR
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:51 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I will, Taylor! Probably be Sat.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354961#354961
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 16, 2011
Thanks for having me, Tylor. And that St John airfield DID have fuel for 4.85/Gal.
Couldn't believe it! Cheapest so far on entire trip. Think the card worked?
Of course not. Had to get the courtesy into "town" and get money at the ATM.
I'm going to have to keep a stash of cash hidden in the plane for emergencies,
me thinks....
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355182#355182
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From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 16, 2011
I carried no less then $5,000.00 on me when traveling with the 500B, after I
ditched that plane in the Pacific, as I was wheeled in from the Coast Guard
medevac helicopter to the emergency room, the local law enforcement was
questioning me as to why I had that money on me, (he was sure it was from or
for a drug deal), he did not understand that aircraft owners have money
(read credit card) problems when in remote areas, he was a back woods
neophyte to boot.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:22 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
> Thanks for having me, Tylor. And that St John airfield DID have fuel for
> 4.85/Gal. Couldn't believe it! Cheapest so far on entire trip. Think the
> card worked? Of course not. Had to get the courtesy into "town" and get
> money at the ATM. I'm going to have to keep a stash of cash hidden in the
> plane for emergencies, me thinks....
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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From: Gary Wilson <sr14572(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 16, 2011
Couldn't not tell you my tale, flying my 500B out of Florida, whipped out the
$100's and got the stink eye from the FBO, coincidently the governor of florida
shows up in his King Air .......i couldn't keep my mouth shut and made the
statement that my money is suspect, when the politicians are spending other peoples
money like a drunk in a bar. Things litened up then. They must have
been Republicans.
On Oct 16, 2011, at 9:06 AM, "Tom Fisher" wrote:
>
> I carried no less then $5,000.00 on me when traveling with the 500B, after I
ditched that plane in the Pacific, as I was wheeled in from the Coast Guard medevac
helicopter to the emergency room, the local law enforcement was questioning
me as to why I had that money on me, (he was sure it was from or for a drug
deal), he did not understand that aircraft owners have money (read credit card)
problems when in remote areas, he was a back woods neophyte to boot.
> T...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 5:22 AM
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for having me, Tylor. And that St John airfield DID have fuel for 4.85/Gal.
Couldn't believe it! Cheapest so far on entire trip. Think the card worked?
Of course not. Had to get the courtesy into "town" and get money at the ATM.
I'm going to have to keep a stash of cash hidden in the plane for emergencies,
me thinks....
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355182#355182
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Date: Oct 16, 2011
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: MONEY
I am not meaining to make fun of anyone.- It occurred to me that Adam sai
d that money has been his only problem.=0AWelcome to Commander land.- For
me the "lack" of money is my biggest impediment to owning a Commander.=0AI
f I were a billion air I would like to owe each 'type' of Commander.- =0A
-=0Adan f
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 16, 2011
HI ADAM....Glad you made it home!! It seems the mechanic in Chitown had a
change of heart. He seemed like a reasonable guy, just did not understand
reciprocating engines, especially geriatric old geared ones!! Glad it had
a (semi) happy ending. PS If you make payments on you credit cards, they
may work better ;-) jb
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From: stratobee <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 5:24 am
Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Thanks for having me, Tylor. And that St John airfield DID have fuel for
.85/Gal. Couldn't believe it! Cheapest so far on entire trip. Think the car
d
orked? Of course not. Had to get the courtesy into "town" and get money at
the
TM. I'm going to have to keep a stash of cash hidden in the plane for
mergencies, me thinks....
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Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Oct 17, 2011
I don't have as much money as you, Jim;)
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From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 18, 2011
Adam
I have Cabela's Visa and have run into that problem and found out if I call
them and tell them what I am doing they will clear the problem.
Jim A
N444BD
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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:51 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
I don't have as much money as you, Jim;)
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Subject: Flight Group News
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 24, 2011
Good News! A Flight Group Newsletter is being mailed to members today!!!
It includes a wonderful article written by Bob Perkins about his life in av
iation that we know you'll really enjoy. In addition new Directories are b
eing sent to those of you who did not attend the Fly-In.
Remember, we would love to include any articles you would like to write for
the newsletter. Or if you have ideas for future articles, let us know.
Happy Flying,.........
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Flight Group News
Date: Oct 24, 2011
That is good news, I have good news too. N444BD is in the shop getting its
annual inspection. I am guessing any where from two to four weeks.
Jim Addington
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Subject: Commander-List: Flight Group News
Good News! A Flight Group Newsletter is being mailed to members today!!!
It includes a wonderful article written by Bob Perkins about his life in
aviation that we know you'll really enjoy. In addition new Directories are
being sent to those of you who did not attend the Fly-In.
Remember, we would love to include any articles you would like to write for
the newsletter. Or if you have ideas for future articles, let us know.
Happy Flying,.........
~jb
________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 25, 2011
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
auto-pilot . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told by
Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as to
why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
through to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have
read many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you
have been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from the
TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate with AX
they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly with
our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and if
there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes my
e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
Bob Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care, fly
safe and all the best.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner :-)
Central Air
MKC Kansas City
On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
(mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com)
Thanks Moe!
So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that -
it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely
annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits.
Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
down, move on to the next.
--------
Adam
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Date: Oct 25, 2011
From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
*Gil*-you stumped me, maybe Jim or Barry knows PS-maybe consider a FAA
field approval. THANKS,*JT*
On 10/25/2011 6:15 PM, WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com wrote:
> John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
> auto-pilot . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and
> was told by Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified
> .Just curious as to why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
> johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
>
> *Hello Adam "aka stratobee"*
>
> My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this
> gets through to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves
> Commanders and I have read many of your postings. I have much
> compassion and respect for what you have been through and I wish I
> could help but I have followed many of the postings and in my
> opinion you have received *some excellent advice* from the TCFG
> gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can
> certainly relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you
> communicate with AX they will work with you (we currently pay for
> all of our fuel nightly with our AX card and they have been very
> good to work with). Take care and if there is anything I can help
> you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes my e-mails do not go
> through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any Bob Hoover
> videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
> aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take
> care, fly safe and all the best.
>
> *RESPECTFULLY,
>
> John Towner :-)
> Central Air
> MKC Kansas City*
>
> On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
>> --> Commander-List message posted by: "stratobee"
>>
>> Thanks Moe!
>>
>> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that -
it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually
had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying
and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope
I can get enough fuel to get back.
>>
>> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
down, move on to the next.
>>
>> --------
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Date: Oct 26, 2011
Hi Gil,
I'm probably (read certainly) not qualified to answer this but there are
several STC's for installation of an autopilot in a 680.
For example:
SA13WE - Bendix M-4
SA520SW - Bendix M-4C
SA4-1382 - Bendix L-2C
SA662WE - Brittain Industries Autopilot & Hi-Lo sensitivity adaptor BI-400
with NAV-1 nav coupler
SA4-1442 - Collins AP-102
Or, do you mean later examples of autopilots?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: 26 October 2011 00:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an auto-pilot
. I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told by
Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as to
why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets through
to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have read
many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you have
been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from the
TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate with AX
they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly with
our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and if
there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes my
e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any Bob
Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care, fly
safe and all the best.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner :-)
Central Air
MKC Kansas City
On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
Thanks Moe!
So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that -
it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new
daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
down, move on to the next.
--------
Adam
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
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From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 26, 2011
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Thank you !Gil
In a message dated 10/25/2011 5:57:45 P.M. Central America Standard ,
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
Gil-you stumped me, maybe Jim or Barry knows PS-maybe consider a FAA field
approval. THANKS,JT
On 10/25/2011 6:15 PM, _WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com)
wrote:
John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
auto-pilot . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told
by
Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as to
why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
_johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com_ (mailto:johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com)
writes:
Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
through to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have
read many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you
have been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from the
TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate with AX
they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly with
our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and if
there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes my
e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
Bob Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care, fly
safe and all the best.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner :-)
Central Air
MKC Kansas City
On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
(mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com)
Thanks Moe!
So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that -
it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely
annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits.
Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
down, move on to the next.
--------
Adam
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From: William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Date: Oct 27, 2011
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Folks,
I would have thought that a field approval 337 would be the way to go, in the absence
of an existing STC, if you want to fit an STec, for example.
I know that at lest one Commander in AU has had an STec fitted under our equivalent
of a 337.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Gil,
>
>
>
> I'm probably (read certainly) not qualified to answer this but there are
> several STC's for installation of an autopilot in a 680.
>
> For example:
>
> SA13WE - Bendix M-4
>
> SA520SW - Bendix M-4C
>
> SA4-1382 - Bendix L-2C
>
> SA662WE - Brittain Industries Autopilot & Hi-Lo sensitivity adaptor
> BI-400
> with NAV-1 nav coupler
>
> SA4-1442 - Collins AP-102
>
>
>
> Or, do you mean later examples of autopilots?
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
> Sent: 26 October 2011 00:16
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
>
>
> John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
> auto-pilot
> . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told by
> Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as
> to
> why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
> johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
>
> Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
>
> My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
> through
> to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have
> read
> many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you
> have
> been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
> postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from
> the
> TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
> relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate
> with AX
> they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly
> with
> our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and
> if
> there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes
> my
> e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
> Bob
> Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
> aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care,
> fly
> safe and all the best.
>
> RESPECTFULLY,
>
> John Towner :-)
> Central Air
> MKC Kansas City
>
> On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Moe!
>
> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit
> cards
> not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny
> that -
> it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
> Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
> extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with
> new
> daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
>
> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
> down, move on to the next.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
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From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 27, 2011
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 10/26/11
Barry , I would like a later model Auto-Pilot ,S-Tech etc. Thanks for all
the info . Gil
In a message dated 10/27/2011 12:59:17 A.M. Central America Standard,
commander-list(at)matronics.com writes:
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Hi Gil,
I'm probably (read certainly) not qualified to answer this but there are
several STC's for installation of an autopilot in a 680.
For example:
SA13WE - Bendix M-4
SA520SW - Bendix M-4C
SA4-1382 - Bendix L-2C
SA662WE - Brittain Industries Autopilot & Hi-Lo sensitivity adaptor BI-400
with NAV-1 nav coupler
SA4-1442 - Collins AP-102
Or, do you mean later examples of autopilots?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Sent: 26 October 2011 00:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
auto-pilot
. I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told by
Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as to
why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
through
to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have read
many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you
have
been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from the
TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate with
AX
they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly with
our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and if
there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes my
e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
Bob
Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care, fly
safe and all the best.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner :-)
Central Air
MKC Kansas City
On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
Thanks Moe!
So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that
-
it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new
daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
down, move on to the next.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
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_____________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Thank you !Gil
In a message dated 10/25/2011 5:57:45 P.M. Central America Standard ,
johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
Gil-you stumped me, maybe Jim or Barry knows PS-maybe consider a FAA
field
approval. THANKS,JT
On 10/25/2011 6:15 PM, _WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com_ (mailto:WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com)
wrote:
John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
auto-pilot . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was
told
by
Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as
to
why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
_johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com_
(mailto:johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com)
writes:
Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
through to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I
have
read many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what
you
have been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from
the
TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate with
AX
they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly
with
our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and if
there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes
my
e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
Bob Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry
Hoov's
aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care,
fly
safe and all the best.
RESPECTFULLY,
John Towner :-)
Central Air
MKC Kansas City
On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
(mailto:adam(at)adamfrisch.com)
Thanks Moe!
So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards
not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that
-
it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
extremely
annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily
limits.
Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
down, move on to the next.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
_http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074_
(http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074)
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(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List)
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From: William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Folks,
I would have thought that a field approval 337 would be the way to go, in
the absence
of an existing STC, if you want to fit an STec, for example.
I know that at lest one Commander in AU has had an STec fitted under our
equivalent
of a 337.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------
> Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Gil,
>
>
>
> I'm probably (read certainly) not qualified to answer this but there are
> several STC's for installation of an autopilot in a 680.
>
> For example:
>
> SA13WE - Bendix M-4
>
> SA520SW - Bendix M-4C
>
> SA4-1382 - Bendix L-2C
>
> SA662WE - Brittain Industries Autopilot & Hi-Lo sensitivity adaptor
> BI-400
> with NAV-1 nav coupler
>
> SA4-1442 - Collins AP-102
>
>
>
> Or, do you mean later examples of autopilots?
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
> Sent: 26 October 2011 00:16
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
>
>
> John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
> auto-pilot
> . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told by
> Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as
> to
> why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
> johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
>
> Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
>
> My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
> through
> to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have
> read
> many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you
> have
> been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
> postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from
> the
> TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
> relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate
> with AX
> they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly
> with
> our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and
> if
> there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes
> my
> e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
> Bob
> Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
> aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care,
> fly
> safe and all the best.
>
> RESPECTFULLY,
>
> John Towner :-)
> Central Air
> MKC Kansas City
>
> On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Moe!
>
> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit
> cards
> not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny
> that -
> it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
> Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
> extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with
> new
> daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
>
> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
> down, move on to the next.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
> nic
> s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 27, 2011
Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
Thanks Bill , I will explore this with a friend of mine with the local
Faa(FISDO) office .Gil
In a message dated 10/26/2011 10:35:35 P.M. Central America Standard,
wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: William J Hamilton
Folks,
I would have thought that a field approval 337 would be the way to go, in
the absence of an existing STC, if you want to fit an STec, for example.
I know that at lest one Commander in AU has had an STec fitted under our
equivalent of a 337.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------
> Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Gil,
>
>
>
> I'm probably (read certainly) not qualified to answer this but there are
> several STC's for installation of an autopilot in a 680.
>
> For example:
>
> SA13WE - Bendix M-4
>
> SA520SW - Bendix M-4C
>
> SA4-1382 - Bendix L-2C
>
> SA662WE - Brittain Industries Autopilot & Hi-Lo sensitivity adaptor
> BI-400
> with NAV-1 nav coupler
>
> SA4-1442 - Collins AP-102
>
>
>
> Or, do you mean later examples of autopilots?
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
> Sent: 26 October 2011 00:16
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles...
>
>
>
> John , Do you happen to know why the 680 was not certified for an
> auto-pilot
> . I was thinking about having one installed in my 680 and was told by
> Auto-Pilot Central folks that the 680 was not certified .Just curious as
> to
> why, however the 680-E is . Thanks Gil
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 1:51:43 P.M. Central America Standard ,
> johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com writes:
>
> Hello Adam "aka stratobee"
>
> My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets
> through
> to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have
> read
> many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you
> have
> been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the
> postings and in my opinion you have received some excellent advice from
> the
> TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly
> relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate
> with AX
> they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly
> with
> our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and
> if
> there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes
> my
> e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any
> Bob
> Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's
> aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care,
> fly
> safe and all the best.
>
> RESPECTFULLY,
>
> John Towner :-)
> Central Air
> MKC Kansas City
>
> On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote:
>
>
>
> Thanks Moe!
>
> So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit
> cards
> not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny
> that -
> it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks.
> Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All
> extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with
> new
> daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back.
>
> Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes
> down, move on to the next.
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro
> nic
> s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Model 560A(HC)
Date: Oct 28, 2011
Hello All,
Does anybody "out there" have a 560A(HC), the optional version of the 560A
with GO-480-C1B6 or -G1B6 engines?
If so, do you (or anybody), have the stall speed for this Model in 'clean'
configuration?
I have the speeds in 'dirty' configuration as:
56 kts; 64 mph; 103 km/hr but am missing the ones above.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Model 560A(HC)
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 29, 2011
Barry It would be the same as the 560A. The airframes were identical. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:23 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Model 560A(HC)
Hello All,
Does anybody =9Cout there=9D have a 560A(HC), the optional vers
ion of the 560A with GO-480-C1B6 or =93G1B6 engines?
If so, do you (or anybody), have the stall speed for this Model in
=98clean=99 configuration?
I have the speeds in =98dirty=99 configuration as:
56 kts; 64 mph; 103 km/hr but am missing the ones above.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Model 560A(HC)
Date: Oct 29, 2011
Hi JimBob,
I wondered that, but the stall speeds in the =9Cdirty=9D
configuration are different!
I realise that there are other factors to take into account, such as
temperature, wind speed/direction and altitude, in publishing these
figures.
Here=99s what I=99ve gleaned from various brochures, Reports
etc for the 560A vs. 560A(HC) for stall speeds and the criteria they
quoted:
In =9Cclean=9D configuration:
560A - 63 kts; 73 mph; 117 km/hr (power off, sea level)
560A - 60 kts; 69 mph; 111 km/hr (power off)
560A(HC) - ?? kts; ?? mph; ??? km/hr
In =9Cdirty=9D configuration:
560A - 52 kts; 60 mph; 97 km/hr (power on, flaps 40 deg, sea level)
560A - 39 kts; 45 mph; 72 km/hr (power on, flaps 40 deg, sea level)
560A - 48 kts; 55 mph; 89 km/hr (75% power on, flaps 40 deg, sea
level)
560A - 59 kts; 68 mph; 109 km/hr (power off, flaps 40 deg, sea
level)
560A - 54 kts; 62 mph; 100 km/hr (power off)
560A - 58 kts; 67 mph; 108 km/hr (power off)
560A(HC) =93 56 kts; 64 mph; 103 km/hr (power off)
All very confusing, to me anyway!
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: 29 October 2011 05:29
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Model 560A(HC)
Barry It would be the same as the 560A. The airframes were identical.
jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 2:23 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Model 560A(HC)
Hello All,
Does anybody =9Cout there=9D have a 560A(HC), the optional
version of the 560A with GO-480-C1B6 or =93G1B6 engines?
If so, do you (or anybody), have the stall speed for this Model in
=98clean=99 configuration?
I have the speeds in =98dirty=99 configuration as:
56 kts; 64 mph; 103 km/hr but am missing the ones above.
Best Regards,
Barry Collman
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Subject: 560a weight and balance
From: scott main <scottmain2003(at)aol.com>
Date: Oct 29, 2011
if anyone has a weight and balance loading form for 560a model aircraft, pl
ease email a copy to me. I recently re-weighed mine and would like to have
one of the old style w-b work sheets. Thanks
scottmain2003(at)aol.com
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From: White_rhino_ps <white_rhino_ps(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 560a weight and balance
Date: Oct 29, 2011
I have one in the hangar in San Diego but won't get down there for a couple w
eeks. Will snag it then...
Craig
=46rom my iPhone 4S!
On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:26 AM, scott main wrote:
> if anyone has a weight and balance loading form for 560a model aircraft, p
lease email a copy to me. I recently re-weighed mine and would like to have o
ne of the old style w-b work sheets. Thanks
> scottmain2003(at)aol.com
>
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Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its just that simple! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site such as this one. It also goes
to pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
on. I run all of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance. Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined
with other Listers such as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site
up and running. I accept exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics
Lists sites. I can't stand the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are
so prevalent on the Internet these days and I particularly don't want to have
it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous
public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Reminder
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 11, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 13, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published
in December!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a
list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
USA
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 15, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What's Your Contribution Used For?
Dear Listers,
You might have wondered at some pointd, "What's my Contribution used for?" Here
are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables... It provides
for the expensive, commercial-grade Internet connection used on the List.
It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest
performance possible for List services such as the Archive Search Engine,
List Browser, and the Web Forums. It pays for over 21 years (yeah, I really
said *21* years) worth of on line archive data available for instant search
and access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining
the custom applications that power this List Service such as the List
Browse, Search Engine, Forums, and Wiki.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses.
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these aspects of Matronics List services.
Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its one of the
best investments you can make in your Sport!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Support The Lists...
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. There
are some very nice incentive gifts to choose from as well! Your Contributions
alone keep these services up and running.
Please make your Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: The Value of a Forum...
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some magazine or even a dinner out. Arn't the Lists worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR Lists?
Please make a Contribution today at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 19, 2011
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 500B
I have placed my 500B on the market - N69PT. It's the nicest one you will probably
see or fly. Anyone interested just give me a jingle.
Thank you,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: 500B
Date: Nov 19, 2011
DONNIE, WHAT IS ENGINE TIMES, AIRFRAME TIME & PRICE? I HAVE A FRIEND WHO
HAS BEEN ASKING TO BUY MY 500B WHICH IS NOT FOR SALE AT THIS
TIME..LLOYDSSS11(at)MSN.COM
----- Original Message -----
From: Donnie Rose<mailto:aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:47 PM
Subject: Commander-List: 500B
I have placed my 500B on the market - N69PT. It's the nicest one you
will probably see or fly. Anyone interested just give me a jingle.
Thank you,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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Date: Nov 21, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Make Sure You're Listed -- List of Contributors Published
Dec 1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the Lists
are a whole lot more valuable than your typical magazine subscription!
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 23, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Contributions Down By 20%...
Dear Listers,
As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind
last year at this time by roughly 20%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply
to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising
income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to
keep the expenses paid.
I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet
connection is a commercial-grade, T1 connection with public address space. I
also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related
data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many
years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of
hours.
All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of
my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I
ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a
modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these services.
If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive
gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you
can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the
continuation of these services:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: N690SM down in Arizona.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Nov 24, 2011
Unfortunately fatal.
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=140030
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Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359104#359104
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Subject: Re: N690SM down in Arizona.
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Date: Nov 24, 2011
Ponderosa Aviation in Stafford is a customer of mine. Russell and Mike Hardy.
They fly 500S for the forest service during fire season.
Good operation, been flying Twin Commanders for a long time.
Something went very wrong.
Tylor Hall
On Nov 24, 2011, at 7:37 AM, stratobee wrote:
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 25, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just A Few More Days To Make Your List Contribution...
There is less than a week left in this year's List Fund Raiser and only a few short
days to grab one of the great Contribution Gifts available this year. Support
is still significantly lagging behind last year at this point but hopefully
it will pick up here towards the end. Please remember that it is solely the
Contributions of List members that keeps the Lists up and running as there
is no commercialism or advertising on the Matronics Lists and Forums.
The List Contribution web site is secure, fast, and easy and you can use a credit
card, Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
I want to thank everyone that has already made a generous contribution to support
the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Nov 25, 2011
Can someone put up a link to published performance specs for the 680V? It's very
hard to find any data about Aero Commanders in general and I've been thinking
of setting up a link on my own website just because I'm so sick of not getting
the info I need. The Turbines are the worst. All the links either pertain to
the latest 695's or are dead links.
I did enquire about the serviceability of the early Honeywell engines with the
2000hr TBO and got confirmation from Bob Hancock at Hancock Enterprises that they
still are vialble, albeit with parts getting more scarce.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359262#359262
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Date: Nov 25, 2011
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
Adam,
You might ask Jim for a copy of the original web site. Barry provided
detailed information on every model and I'd created a nice table that
included everything you'd want to know by model as well as descriptions
of the changes between models. When I handed over the web site, that
was all there. Hopefully Jim still has it.
chris
stratobee wrote:
> Can someone put up a link to published performance specs for the 680V? It's very
hard to find any data about Aero Commanders in general and I've been thinking
of setting up a link on my own website just because I'm so sick of not getting
the info I need.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 27, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Please Make A Contribution Today...
Dear Listers,
A quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser and the List of Contributors
is quickly approching. The Matronics Lists are 100% member supported
and all of the operational costs are provided for by your Contributions during
this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a big difference and keeps all of the Matronics
Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 29, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Just Two Days Left - Still Way Behind...
Dear Listers,
There are just two more days left in this years List Fund Raiser. Over the last
few weeks I have received some really nice comments from members on what the
Lists have meant to them. I have included some of them below. Please read over
the comments and ponder on your own feelings about the Lists and the support
and camaraderie you have found here.
We are still way behind last year in terms of the number of contributions. I really
want to keep providing these services to the homebuilt community, but it
take resources. Since there's no advertising budget or deep pockets to keep
the operation a float, its solely your generosity during the Fund Raiser that
keeps things going. Please make a Contribution today.
If you've been putting off showing your support for the Lists, now is the time
to do it!
Make a contribution with a Credit Card or though PayPal at that Matronics Contribution
web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, drop a check in the mail:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you in advance for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few List Member Comments =====================
I get a lot of useful information and satisfaction from belonging to
your groups. Somehow you foster a great sense of community without
the baggage that accompanies other lists.
Dave S.
We do appreciate you running the lists spam and advertising free.
Jeff P.
I am celebrating my first flight day and you and the lists deserve
a thanks since without it my build would have taken twice as long.
Chris L.
I enjoy the list. Have my morning coffee with it!
Buddy M.
Your lists are the best investment of my time and money, bar none,
when it comes to interfacing with my fellow amateur builders.
Owen B.
Keep it going!! Thanks for taking over.
Wallace J.
I enjoy the Pietenpol List a lot.
Malcolm Z.
Thanks for your great site! As a new CJ-6 owner, your web site is an
invaluable resource.
Ken B.
Great informational source.
Fred S.
Thanks for doing this!
Lance G.
Thank you for the service i do enjoy the many hours I use on line with
the banter/ serious technical items.
Noel G.
Thanks for the years of builder support.
Roy H.
Great forum!
Roger C.
Thank you VERY MUCH, Matt, for carrying on with this great service.
The "Europa" community really appreciates it. All the best, Svein - now
celebrating 10 years as a subscriber, I think!
Svein J.
Matt, I'm building a much nicer and safer airplane because of your efforts.
Robert D.
21 years for you 9 years for me on the Zenith lists. Could not imagine
building and flying without Matronics.
Brian U.
Thanks for ALL the hard work and time you put into maintaining these
forums. As an EAA Tech counselor I recommend them often.
Paul M.
This Pietenpol list is a huge part of the motivation that keeps me working
on my project. This has been a great place for meeting like minded folks
and getting help for the difficult parts.
Thomas S.
Thanks for the excellent service Matt.
Frank S.
Matt, I'm a Sonex building, but I have to say that the Piet group is without
a doubt the most interesting.
Ken M.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the Piet List. This is one of my sanity
lifelines!
Daniel H.
Your site has provided us over the years with excellent connections to others
for advice. Good job!
Bob M.
Kolb List is my #1 source!
Henry V.
Matt, you do a great job with this site. I've been with it since the
beginning!
John M.
I am very grateful for all of your excellent work on the List.
Arthur L.
Thank you for the service you provide us all!
Nicholas C.
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Subject: Re: N690SM down in Arizona.
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Flying Magazine columnist Stephen Pope write about the accident and even posted
a bit too realistic video of the accident.
At least it seems nothing went wrong mechanically with the 690A; it was apparently
more of a problem readjusting to new Class B regulations around Phoenix.
Here is the link for those who don't get Flying. The new editor, Robert Goyer also
talks about it on his blog:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/video-footage-captures-arizona-crash?cmpid=enews112911
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560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359802#359802
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Subject: Re: N690SM down in Arizona.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
3 small kids as well. It's heartbreaking.
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Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359803#359803
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Subject: A685 story on the EAA magazine & possible guest?
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Date: Nov 29, 2011
Forgot to post this earlier, but on the latest EAA Sport Aviation Digital there
is a great story on feeling insecure at night over the mountains on a 685 by
none but Jeff Skiles, the USAirways 1549 copilot who successfully ditched on the
Hudson...
May be he would be willing to join us on one of our Fly-ins? just a thought :)
Here it is: "A Cold Winter's Night" p88-90 and the link:
http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201112#p.89
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560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359805#359805
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Date: Nov 30, 2011
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser!
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my birthday again, 48
of them, in fact! But it also means that its that last official day of the
Matronics Email List Fund Raiser! If you been jones'n over one of those really
nice incentive gifts now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution this month but have been putting
it off for some reason, NOW is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists!
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution this year in
support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation running
and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone feels the same.
Below are a few more of the nice comments from Listers I've received this year.
Please read them over and see if you don't agree.
The List Contribution Web Site is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
581 Jeannie Way
Livermore CA 94550
Thank you to all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
==================== A Few More List Member Comments =====================
I never would have ended up with the great flying airplane I have without
the help of people on the Pietenpol list. Thanks for giving us the medium
to communicate our questions, tips and suggestions.
Matt P.
Thanks for the hard work and maintaining the site commercial free. Good
luck for the future and this site has been a source of great friendship.
Peter B.
It is a great resource.
Jim G.
Thanks so much for your continuing support of the homebuilt community.
Gerald A.
You are doing an outstanding job running the list's. Keep it going.
Bill V.
Thanks for keeping this valuable information source going. Best of all
the forums.
George A.
Another Great year on the RV-List!
Thomas E.
Still the best source of information (& opinion) for builders on a wide
range of issues.
Martin H.
Matt, thanks for hosting and maintaining the lists!
Rumen D.
It is a great resource.
Bryan R.
Thanks for your continuing interest in Van's RV8 kitplanes.
Peter C.
I'm no longer building or flying but like to keep in touch with the current
generation of builders. Best wishes to a great list system.
Gerry C.
A great list that is most useful for builders.
Graham H.
Thanks for this wonderful tool!
Ralph C.
Thanks for a great service to the experimental aviation community.
Douglas D.
Great topics and loads of useful info keep the subject matter relevant.
George H.
Thanks for keeping this going.
Richard R.
Great facility and well managed.
Victor F.
Thanks for a great service.
John D.
Thank you for you time and efforts they have made Aviation a better
place for everyone.
Jim W.
I still enjoy getting the list in the morning.
Don M.
You provide a great resource.
David M.
You have probably saved a few necks over the years.
Robert F.
Thank you for being there.
Benjamin B.
You perform a great service.
Bruce M.
Thank you for providing this invaluable resource.
William D.
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I thought I'd add an almost-one-year-ownership update on N20VE.
She spent about 4 months at Morris's place getting almost all the pre-buy squawks
taken care of. After that I got to fly her for a whole week (!) before it was
time for the annual. After the annual was taken care of, we flew to Chicago
with the intention of joining the fly-in in Detroit, but that didn't happen due
to two bad cylinders. Nervous A&P guy in Chicago wanted to condemn the cam
(which would have meant splitting the case and equaling a $40K overhaul..). Lycoming
thankfully agreed with JimBob and Morris, so I dodged that one. A month
later I picked her up and flew back to California without troubles - she ran
great. Had her here at home base at El Monte for some time but then the gear switch
fell out of alignment and I had to go to Morris to fix that.
Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/stratobee#p/a/u/1/_rXRDMDsWxo
Of course we found a cracked stiffener in the from wheel well, so more downtime.
Day before yesterday the switch started playing up again and I took it to Chris
at Security Aviation in Hawthorne, and as they were wheeling her in, the front
gear collapsed and bent the two front doors. Better there than on the rwy,
I suppose...
I love the aircraft, but I do hope my batting average goes up a bit soon. I can't
continue having to do repairs for $500 each hour I fly for that much longer.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359959#359959
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
Date: Nov 30, 2011
I thoroughly enjoyed the video, Adam. Brought back some precious memories.
Eventually, you will have all the bugs chased down and plugged, I am sure.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
I thought I'd add an almost-one-year-ownership update on N20VE.
She spent about 4 months at Morris's place getting almost all the pre-buy
squawks taken care of. After that I got to fly her for a whole week (!)
before it was time for the annual. After the annual was taken care of, we
flew to Chicago with the intention of joining the fly-in in Detroit, but
that didn't happen due to two bad cylinders. Nervous A&P guy in Chicago
wanted to condemn the cam (which would have meant splitting the case and
equaling a $40K overhaul..). Lycoming thankfully agreed with JimBob and
Morris, so I dodged that one. A month later I picked her up and flew back to
California without troubles - she ran great. Had her here at home base at El
Monte for some time but then the gear switch fell out of alignment and I had
to go to Morris to fix that.
Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/stratobee#p/a/u/1/_rXRDMDsWxo
Of course we found a cracked stiffener in the from wheel well, so more
downtime. Day before yesterday the switch started playing up again and I
took it to Chris at Security Aviation in Hawthorne, and as they were
wheeling her in, the front gear collapsed and bent the two front doors.
Better there than on the rwy, I suppose...
I love the aircraft, but I do hope my batting average goes up a bit soon. I
can't continue having to do repairs for $500 each hour I fly for that much
longer.
--------
Adam
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From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Hi Adam,
I took the liberty of publishing your video on the Aero Commander FaceBook
page:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
I thought I'd add an almost-one-year-ownership update on N20VE.
She spent about 4 months at Morris's place getting almost all the pre-buy
squawks taken care of. After that I got to fly her for a whole week (!)
before it was time for the annual. After the annual was taken care of, we
flew to Chicago with the intention of joining the fly-in in Detroit, but
that didn't happen due to two bad cylinders. Nervous A&P guy in Chicago
wanted to condemn the cam (which would have meant splitting the case and
equaling a $40K overhaul..). Lycoming thankfully agreed with JimBob and
Morris, so I dodged that one. A month later I picked her up and flew back to
California without troubles - she ran great. Had her here at home base at El
Monte for some time but then the gear switch fell out of alignment and I had
to go to Morris to fix that.
Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/stratobee#p/a/u/1/_rXRDMDsWxo
Of course we found a cracked stiffener in the from wheel well, so more
downtime. Day before yesterday the switch started playing up again and I
took it to Chris at Security Aviation in Hawthorne, and as they were
wheeling her in, the front gear collapsed and bent the two front doors.
Better there than on the rwy, I suppose...
I love the aircraft, but I do hope my batting average goes up a bit soon. I
can't continue having to do repairs for $500 each hour I fly for that much
longer.
--------
Adam
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359959#359959
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Hi Adam,
I took the liberty of publishing your video on the Aero Commander FaceBook
page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
I thought I'd add an almost-one-year-ownership update on N20VE.
She spent about 4 months at Morris's place getting almost all the pre-buy
squawks taken care of. After that I got to fly her for a whole week (!)
before it was time for the annual. After the annual was taken care of, we
flew to Chicago with the intention of joining the fly-in in Detroit, but
that didn't happen due to two bad cylinders. Nervous A&P guy in Chicago
wanted to condemn the cam (which would have meant splitting the case and
equaling a $40K overhaul..). Lycoming thankfully agreed with JimBob and
Morris, so I dodged that one. A month later I picked her up and flew back to
California without troubles - she ran great. Had her here at home base at El
Monte for some time but then the gear switch fell out of alignment and I had
to go to Morris to fix that.
Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/stratobee#p/a/u/1/_rXRDMDsWxo
Of course we found a cracked stiffener in the from wheel well, so more
downtime. Day before yesterday the switch started playing up again and I
took it to Chris at Security Aviation in Hawthorne, and as they were
wheeling her in, the front gear collapsed and bent the two front doors.
Better there than on the rwy, I suppose...
I love the aircraft, but I do hope my batting average goes up a bit soon. I
can't continue having to do repairs for $500 each hour I fly for that much
longer.
--------
Adam
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=359959#359959
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander 520 from 1953 questions.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Nov 30, 2011
Ah, cool Nico! Yeah, I have some other videos there of flying the old girl, for
those who are so inclined. I'm editing a few at the moment as well, so should
be some nice night flying ones coming up soon.
--------
Adam
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Hardware Failure - Matronics Web Servers Currently Offline
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From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Model 520 main gear - Help!
Date: Dec 04, 2011
Hello All,
The aviation maintenance school TulsaTech have a Model 520 for maintenance
training.
The left gear needed rebuild and in the process seized and they can't get it
apart without destroying it.
The upside is that they only teach maintenance so the aircraft cannot carry
A/W certs.
Downside is that the aircraft is borderline useless being permanently on
jacks.
They've asked me:
1. Does anybody know of any Commander 520s being parted out and the contact
info for them?
2. Does anybody know what Commander models might have interchangeable gears?
I'll pass on any replies to them.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Model 520 main gear - Help!
From: Bert Berry <bertberry1(at)aol.com>
Date: Dec 04, 2011
Which one do they have?
On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:18 PM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> The aviation maintenance school TulsaTech have a Model 520 for maintenance
> training.
> The left gear needed rebuild and in the process seized and they can't get it
> apart without destroying it.
> The upside is that they only teach maintenance so the aircraft cannot carry
> A/W certs.
> Downside is that the aircraft is borderline useless being permanently on
> jacks.
>
> They've asked me:
> 1. Does anybody know of any Commander 520s being parted out and the contact
> info for them?
> 2. Does anybody know what Commander models might have interchangeable gears?
>
> I'll pass on any replies to them.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 05, 2011
From: Bizprop Editor - Ton van Soest <ton_van.soest@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Model 520 main gear - Help!
Barry,
Is this the correct type?
I have a 680W 1802 N17JG as instructional airframe at Tulsa Technical
Best regards
Ton
At 23:18 04.12.2011, you wrote:
><barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hello All,
>
>The aviation maintenance school TulsaTech have a Model 520 for maintenance
>training.
>The left gear needed rebuild and in the process seized and they can't get it
>apart without destroying it.
>The upside is that they only teach maintenance so the aircraft cannot carry
>A/W certs.
>Downside is that the aircraft is borderline useless being permanently on
>jacks.
>
>They've asked me:
>1. Does anybody know of any Commander 520s being parted out and the contact
>info for them?
>2. Does anybody know what Commander models might have interchangeable gears?
>
>I'll pass on any replies to them.
>
>Best Regards,
>Barry
>
>
Best Regards,
Ton van Soest
Biz-Prop Editor Air-Britain News
Air-Britain home page url: http://www.air-britain.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Model 520 main gear - Help!
Date: Dec 05, 2011
They didn't say, but I'm fairly sure it's s/n 63, N630G.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bert Berry
Sent: 04 December 2011 23:22
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Model 520 main gear - Help!
Which one do they have?
On Dec 4, 2011, at 4:18 PM, "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> wrote:
> --> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
> Hello All,
>
> The aviation maintenance school TulsaTech have a Model 520 for
> maintenance training.
> The left gear needed rebuild and in the process seized and they can't
> get it apart without destroying it.
> The upside is that they only teach maintenance so the aircraft cannot
> carry A/W certs.
> Downside is that the aircraft is borderline useless being permanently
> on jacks.
>
> They've asked me:
> 1. Does anybody know of any Commander 520s being parted out and the
> contact info for them?
> 2. Does anybody know what Commander models might have interchangeable
gears?
>
> I'll pass on any replies to them.
>
> Best Regards,
> Barry
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Model 520 main gear - Help!
Date: Dec 05, 2011
Ton,
Yes, it's correct and is probably N630G, s/n 63.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bizprop
Editor - Ton van Soest
Sent: 05 December 2011 05:45
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Model 520 main gear - Help!
Barry,
Is this the correct type?
I have a 680W 1802 N17JG as instructional airframe at Tulsa Technical
Best regards
Ton
At 23:18 04.12.2011, you wrote:
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hello All,
The aviation maintenance school TulsaTech have a Model 520 for maintenance
training.
The left gear needed rebuild and in the process seized and they can't get it
apart without destroying it.
The upside is that they only teach maintenance so the aircraft cannot carry
A/W certs.
Downside is that the aircraft is borderline useless being permanently on
jacks.
They've asked me:
1. Does anybody know of any Commander 520s being parted out and the contact
info for them?
2. Does anybody know what Commander models might have interchangeable gears?
I'll pass on any replies to them.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: The Commander List has been tooQuiet too Long sooooooooo!
From: "n395v" <airboss(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Dec 25, 2011
Merry Christmas
--------
Milt
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: The Commander List has been tooQuiet too Long sooooooooo!
Date: Dec 25, 2011
Hi guys,
A merry Christmas to you all. We are vacationing in South Africa at the
moment, hunting down Commanders whenever I can. Posted a few on the
Commander Facebook page.
Enjoy the holidays.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of n395v
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:58 AM
Subject: Commander-List: The Commander List has been tooQuiet too Long
sooooooooo!
-->
Merry Christmas
--------
Milt
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 27, 2011
Subject: N560WM CRASH IN VENICE, FLORIDA
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, NEAR VENICE, FL
****************************************************************************
****
** Notice created 12/27/2011 Notice 2
**
****************************************************************************
****
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 560WM Make/Model: AC56 Description: 560 COMMANDER 560
Date: 12/26/2011 Time: 1907
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: VENICE State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, NEAR VENICE, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
WEATHER: 261915Z AUTO 23004KT 8SM -RA FEW038 BKN048 OVC055 23/20 A3012
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
FAA FSDO: TAMPA, FL (SO35) Entry date: 12/27/2011
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: N560WM CRASH IN VENICE, FLORIDA
Date: Dec 27, 2011
This is a day of mourning for the Commander group. That airplane was piloted
by Andy "Doc" Bustillo. He has attended several of our fly-ins and was a
great guy, exactly the kind of person we need in our small group. To lose
anyone from our small fleet is tragic, but to lose someone at the holidays,
is doubly so.
Prayers are out for his family & loved ones.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Commander-List: N560WM CRASH IN VENICE, FLORIDA
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, NEAR VENICE, FL
****************************************************************************
****
** Notice created 12/27/2011 Notice 2
**
****************************************************************************
****
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 560WM Make/Model: AC56 Description: 560 COMMANDER 560
Date: 12/26/2011 Time: 1907
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: VENICE State: FL Country: US
DESCRIPTION
AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS
FATALLY INJURED, NEAR VENICE, FL
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: 261915Z AUTO 23004KT 8SM -RA FEW038 BKN048 OVC055 23/20 A3012
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: OTHER
FAA FSDO: TAMPA, FL (SO35) Entry date: 12/27/2011
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: 560WM
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 28, 2011
HI KIDS.............It is with great sadness that I write this We lost And
y Bustillo. Andy had emailed me not long ago regarding delivering a Comman
der (not his). I met Andy in Ohio when he hired me to accompany him to Cal
ifornia to have Morris work on his new purchase, N560WM. We flew the airpl
ane to CA and after Morris had done his magic, I flew with him again to his
home in FL. I have several great stories from those trips!! Andy came to
at least one of our fly ins winning the coveted "Golden Pedal" award. He
loved his Commander and was thinking of moving up to a turbine. According
to Morris, a witness saw smoke from both engines, He wonders if this could
be yet another miss fueling?? What a sad time in Commanderland, Andy will
be missed. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Where Have the Models Gone?
From: "Jon Ferguson" <jon.m.ferguson(at)uscg.mil>
Date: Dec 28, 2011
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/2011/12/aviation-where-have-models-gone.html
Enjoy!
Jon
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Subject: Re: 560WM
From: "n395v" <airboss(at)bearcataviation.com>
Date: Dec 29, 2011
This is so sad and if what you suspect is true so unnecessary.
I remember when Crunks 560 was refueled with Jet A and trashed both engines. Thank
God the problem in that case was discovered before takeoff.
--------
Milt
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From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: 560WM
Date: Dec 29, 2011
ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO N6290X (500B) WAS MIS FUELED WITH JET PRIOR TO A
RAINING SOLID OVERCAST NIGHT FLIGHT. THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE TO WRITE
THIS IS THE JET FUEL WAS ONLY ABOUT 20 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL ON BOARD.
OUR AIRCRAFT HAD A RESTRICTOR, BUT THAT WON'T STOP A JET FUEL TRUCK WITH
THE WRONG FUEL NOZZLE. .LESSON: DON'T LET ANYONE FUEL A COMMANDER
WITHOUT YOU WATCHING. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: n395v<mailto:airboss(at)bearcataviation.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: 560WM
>
This is so sad and if what you suspect is true so unnecessary.
I remember when Crunks 560 was refueled with Jet A and trashed both
engines. Thank God the problem in that case was discovered before
takeoff.
--------
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Subject: Re: Where Have the Models Gone?
From: "Jon Ferguson" <jon.m.ferguson(at)uscg.mil>
Date: Dec 31, 2011
http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/2011/12/aviation-netflix-for-pilots.html
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Subject: Happy New Year
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 31, 2011
Wanted to wish you all a very Happy New Year. May 2012 be filled with many
flights and great stories to tell us!
Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 31, 2011
From: John Towner <johntowner(at)centralairsouthwest.com>
Subject: Re: Happy New Year
On 12/31/2011 6:11 PM, John Towner wrote:
> *TCFG members,*
>
> *Happy New Year to you ! Hopefully 2012 will be the turn around year
> for all of us. Give your Commander a "hug" and fly safe*
>
> *All the best,
> *
> *JT* :-)
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Commander-List: Happy New Year
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:50:10 -0500 (EST)
> From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> Wanted to wish you all a very Happy New Year. May 2012 be filled with
> many flights and great stories to tell us!
> Jim & Sue
> *
> *
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: Dec 31, 2011
I wish you a very Happy New Year too. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Towner
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Commander-List: Happy New Year
On 12/31/2011 6:11 PM, John Towner wrote:
TCFG members,
Happy New Year to you ! Hopefully 2012 will be the turn around year for all
of us. Give your Commander a "hug" and fly safe
All the best,
JT :-)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
Commander-List: Happy New Year
Date:
From:
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
commander-list(at)matronics.com
commander-list(at)matronics.com
Wanted to wish you all a very Happy New Year. May 2012 be filled with many
flights and great stories to tell us!
Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: Dec 31, 2011
I wanted to wish you a very Happy New Year too. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy New Year
Wanted to wish you all a very Happy New Year. May 2012 be filled with many
flights and great stories to tell us!
Jim & Sue
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Happy New Year
Date: Dec 31, 2011
Happy New Year to all aviation fanatics, especially those of the Commander
clan.
Nico, Johanna and Nicolene.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Happy New Year
I wanted to wish you a very Happy New Year too. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Happy New Year
Wanted to wish you all a very Happy New Year. May 2012 be filled with many
flights and great stories to tell us!
Jim & Sue
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Subject: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jan 05, 2012
At 5:04 in this video, what looks like a beautiful 680 lands in Bahamas. It's hard
to make out the registration - either C6-ERY or EHY or something like that.
Any clues?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am4-em7T3zg
--------
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Hi Adam,
It's C6-BHY, a Model 500, s/n 834.
It's owned by Abaco Air Ltd. of Marsh Harbour, Abaco, Bahamas.
They have two other Models 500, s/n 685, C6-BFS & s/n 825, C6-BFR.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 06 January 2012 06:09
Subject: Commander-List: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
At 5:04 in this video, what looks like a beautiful 680 lands in Bahamas.
It's hard to make out the registration - either C6-ERY or EHY or something
like that. Any clues?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am4-em7T3zg
--------
Adam
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Subject: Re: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
The one in the video is going to be C6-BFR. Photo attached.
Bert
In a message dated 1/6/2012 4:16:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman"
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Adam,
It's C6-BHY, a Model 500, s/n 834.
It's owned by Abaco Air Ltd. of Marsh Harbour, Abaco, Bahamas.
They have two other Models 500, s/n 685, C6-BFS & s/n 825, C6-BFR.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of stratobee
Sent: 06 January 2012 06:09
Subject: Commander-List: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
At 5:04 in this video, what looks like a beautiful 680 lands in Bahamas.
It's hard to make out the registration - either C6-ERY or EHY or something
like that. Any clues?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am4-em7T3zg
--------
Adam
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Nice looking bird. I love the clean looking paint scheme. Nice to just paint the
nacelles like that.
>From older pictures at Airliners.com, you can tell that they updated it with 3-blade
Hartzell props as she used to be a 2-blade. I rang Hartzell a year ago
or so and asked how much they were for mine, and when I picked myself up from
the floor I think I heard her say ".....each". It was ludicrous - about $25K/each
or something. I wish MT or someone else would offer an alternative.
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362576#362576
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 06, 2012
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but cert
ainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airfr
ame (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side doo
r in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Th
anks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Jim, isn't there an STC kit for pilot doors? Maybe Morris, or Commander
Aero, has one in their attic?
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Air Center has the STC for the front door.
http://www.aircenterinc.com/
I had heard that Legacy in OK has some parts for the door like frames ?
JB, did you go by a look at it?
Tylor Hall
On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:15 AM, yourtcfg(at)aol.com wrote:
> HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but certainly
possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I
may know where there is one). jb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: commander-list
> Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
> Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
>
> Hello Commander Fans,
> Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Thanks
very much.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 06, 2012
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The fa
ctory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were no
t that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I c
ould see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Town
er in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used do
or will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that
, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in
the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks
.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but cert
ainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airfr
ame (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side doo
r in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Th
anks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
From: yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 06, 2012
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least
the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The fa
ctory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were no
t that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I c
ould see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Town
er in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used do
or will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that
, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in
the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks
.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but cert
ainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airfr
ame (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side doo
r in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Th
anks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Thanks JB - great information.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The
factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were
not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I
could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John
Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used
door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal
that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back
in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Oil pressure low hot idle.
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jan 06, 2012
I was reading Moe's response in another unrelated thread:
> Generally, if the engine is very worn with lots of clearance between the worn
parts, which allows the oil to escape back into the sump using the path of least
resistance, your biggest problem will be at hot idle (low oil pump speed and
lots of clearance for the oil to squirt out at). When I had two very worn engines
in my bird the oil pressure would barely stay in the green in the air,
however, on the ground and hot there was not enough oil pressure (below 35PSI)
to make the fuel metering system work, so it would run so rich that it was hard
to keep it lit when landing, and you had to manually lean it out on the roll
out.
And that's exactly how my engine behaves. When's she's really hot and has been
running for about 1hr, the oil pressure drops just below the green arc at idle,
but never in the air. Also, the right engine can quit when you throttle back
at high altitude landings on rollout. It's happened to me twice as I tried to
taxi away only to find the right engine not turning. Now, that could have something
to do with pressure carb, but then again it could not. Could this be related?
But what I don't understand is what has the oil pressure got to to with the fuel
pressure/mixture? Is it right of me to assume that they're unrelated, or is
the low oil pressure at hot idle a sign that my engine might need an overhaul
soon?
--------
Adam
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362598#362598
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Hi Bert,
No! Definitely C6-BFR.
I paused the video when the Commander is side-on and the Registration is
clear!!
Best Regards,
Barry
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Sent: 06 January 2012 16:35
Subject: Re: Commander-List: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
The one in the video is going to be C6-BFR. Photo attached.
Bert
In a message dated 1/6/2012 4:16:25 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Adam,
It's C6-BHY, a Model 500, s/n 834.
It's owned by Abaco Air Ltd. of Marsh Harbour, Abaco, Bahamas.
They have two other Models 500, s/n 685, C6-BFS & s/n 825, C6-BFR.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 06 January 2012 06:09
Subject: Commander-List: A 560 in Bahamas? Barry?
At 5:04 in this video, what looks like a beautiful 680 lands in Bahamas.
It's hard to make out the registration - either C6-ERY or EHY or something
like that. Any clues?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am4-em7T3zg
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Date: Jan 06, 2012
From: Chris <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Oil pressure low hot idle.
stratobee wrote:
> is the low oil pressure at hot idle a sign that my engine might need
> an overhaul soon?
That's pretty much exactly what it means. On your GO435's, the oil
pressure has nothing to do with mixture control. That's an issue for
the Simmonds injected engines. You're probably due a carb overhaul.
One the diaphragms start to get hard, mixture control begins to get
unreliable. Suggest Mikes A/C fuel metering in Tulsa, OK. He's the
pressure carb guru and has all the strange flow bench stuff to set one
up properly.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get
an approval for John's battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy
that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any
FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can't say no so I
think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane
but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may
have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection
instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I
hope you don't have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
_____
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least
the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The
factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were
not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I
could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John
Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used
door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal
that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back
in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Jim, what is special about John's battery setup? What's different about it
from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don't have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get
an approval for John's battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy
that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any
FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can't say no so I
think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane
but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may
have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection
instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I
hope you don't have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least
the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The
factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were
not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I
could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John
Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used
door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal
that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back
in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
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Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It is a
much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft
batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given an
$850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something like
$185 each and don't last as long. These are waterless so you don't have to
vent them and they don't leak. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from
John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John's battery setup? What's different about it
from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don't have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get
an approval for John's battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy
that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any
FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can't say no so I
think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane
but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may
have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection
instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I
hope you don't have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least
the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The
factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were
not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I
could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John
Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used
door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal
that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back
in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
JIM ,I HAVE TWIN COMMANDER ENGINEERING ORDER 5800211. IT'S FOR
CONVERSION OF THE 500B 24V BATTERY TO TWO 12V CONCORDES. IT'S AN EASY
JOB AND VERY COST EFFECTIVE AS WELL AS PROVIDING MORE AMP HOURS AND
PROBABLY LONGER LIFI. GOOD LUCK, LLOYD. N6290X.
PS : SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS USE # 800211.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington<mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It
is a much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft
batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given
an $850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something
like $185 each and don't last as long. These are waterless so you don't
have to vent them and they don't leak. You have a 500B sot you can get
the STC from John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John's battery setup? What's different
about it from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don't have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to
get an approval for John's battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a
guy that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just
about any FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can't
say no so I think I am just about to get the approval. We have it
installed in the plane but may have to take it out and take a picture
and then put it back. I may have made a big mistake in doing it while we
are doing the annual inspection instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck
and I hope you don't have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at
least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
To: commander-list
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no
Idea who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source
of that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed
several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC
installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the
Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from
the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items
that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin
with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders
and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-,
and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if
done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the
airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they
leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
To: commander-list
>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..?
Thanks.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from
another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
>
To: commander-list
>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot
side door in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this
work..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com<http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 06, 2012
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
Jim, if you are talking of gell batts the lead acid are much better and che
aper, they withstand temp changes and you get the 'tiltite' caps (12v).=0A
=0A=0ADonnie 205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A>F
rom: Jim Addington =0A>To: commander-list@matronic
s.com =0A>Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:16 PM=0A>Subject: RE: Commander-L
ist: Pilot Side Door=0A>=0A>=0A>John, the STC is for the 500B but did not i
nclude any other models. It is a much cheaper battery that is much better t
han the regular aircraft batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteri
es where I was given an $850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batterie
s were something like $185 each and don=99t last as long. These are w
aterless so you don=99t have to vent them and they don=99t leak
. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from John for your plane and not
have any problems. Jim=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A
>=0A>From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commande
r-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum=0A>Sent: Friday, J
anuary 06, 2012 6:34 PM=0A>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: RE:
Commander-List: Pilot Side Door=0A>=C2-=0A>Jim, what is special about Jo
hn=99s battery setup? What=99s different about it from a normal
500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)=0A>=C2-=0A>Good luck with your inst
all. I hope you don=99t have to undo/redo it.=0A>=C2-=0A>/John=0A>
=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Addington=0A>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM=0A>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
=0A>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door=0A>=C2-=0A>It might not
be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get an approval f
or John=99s battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy that is
a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any FAA in
spector. He said, after a few choice words, they can=99t say no so I
think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plan
e but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I ma
y have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspect
ion instead of after.=0A>I would like to some day have a front door put in
my 500A, good luck and I hope you don=99t have any problems.=0A>Jim A
ddington=0A>N444BD=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>=0A
>From:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto: owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com=0A>Sent: Friday, Ja
nuary 06, 2012 12:53 PM=0A>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re:
Commander-List: Pilot Side Door=0A>=C2-=0A>HI RANDY...... John Towner ,
Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least the model 500B, should be
the same for your airplane.=C2- jb=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From:
yourtcfg =0A>To: commander-list < commander-list@matroni
cs.com >=0A>Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am=0A>Subject: Re: Commander-List:
Pilot Side Door=0A>HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation.
=C2- I have no Idea who owns it or how to find out.=C2- Morris Kernick
is the best source of that and would be the best place to have it done, hav
ing installed several.=C2- The factory also did several.=C2- They fit t
he best.=C2- Some STC installations were not that great.=C2- I just del
ivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around
much of it from the pilot seat.=C2- It also required too much effort=C2
-to operate.=C2- All items that can probably be addressed, but should h
ave be done right to begin with.=C2- Another source might be John Towner
in KC.=C2- He owns 35 Commanders and=C2-every one has a front door.=C2
- A used door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at lea
st equal that, maybe more.=C2- Finished, if done correctly, it will ad mo
st of that back in the=C2-value of the airplane.=C2- Doors that are imp
roperly installed ad almost nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise.
=C2-
jb=C2- =0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdet
tmer(at)charter.net>=0A>To: commander-list =0A>S
ent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am=0A>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Do
or=0A>Hi JB,=0A>Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such
a job..?=C2- Thanks.=0A>=C2-=0A>Randy=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>Dettmer Ar
chitecture=0A>663 Hill Street=0A>San Luis Obispo, CA =C2- 93405=0A>805 54
1 4864 / fax 805 541 4865=0A>www.dettmerarchitecture.com=0A>=C2-=0A>From:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-serv
er(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com=0A>Sent: Friday, January 06
, 2012 9:16 AM=0A>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Commande
r-List: Pilot Side Door=0A>=C2-=0A>HI RANDY Yes, it can be done.=C2- It
is expensive and time consuming, but certainly possible.=C2- You would n
eed to locate a "donor door" from another airframe (I may know where there
is one).=C2- jb=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
=0A>To: commander-list =0A>Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am=0A>Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side
Door=0A>Hello Commander Fans,=0A>Does anyone out there know about the proc
ess of installing a pilot side door in a 680F..??=C2- Is it possible..??
=C2- Cost..??=C2- Who can do this work..??=C2- Thanks very much.=0A>
=C2-=0A>Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB=0A>680F / N6253X=0A>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A
>Dettmer Architecture=0A>663 Hill Street=0A>San Luis Obispo, CA =C2- 9340
5=0A>805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865=0A>www.dettmerarchitecture.com=0A>=C2
-=0A>=0A>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Oil pressure low hot idle.
Date: Jan 06, 2012
HI Adam=2C
The information that I listed is indigenous to the IGSO 540 B1A or B1C. Th
ese engines have Simmonds fuel injection units on them. The system is a si
ngle point injection system with only one large nozzle that sprays directly
into the gear driven supercharger on the rear of the engine. This system
uses oil pressure to operate a mechanical computer that is in the same hous
ing as the fuel pump. The idea is that the system will compensate for densi
ty altitude (sort of). When the oil pressure gets low (below about 35 PSI)
the pump gasoline pressure overcomes the metering device and causes too mu
ch fuel to flow to the nozzle for the amount of air that is being flowed th
rough the supercharger (sort of). I have not ever come across an internal
combustion engine with carburetors that used oil pressure in any way to met
er the amount of fuel being fed into the engine. If anyone is aware of one
let me know about it. From an engine running standpoint the worst combusti
on problem brought about by high oil consumption is the fact that the oil w
hich passes by the rings or valve guides will lower the octane rating (sort
of) or the fuel/air mixture in the cylinders and can cause pre-ignition.
If you run the engine extremely rich to get rid or the pre-ignition you may
go into detonation.
Hopefuly I have confused you sufficiently.
Regards=2C
Moe
N680RR
Former proud holder of the Golden Pedal Award
Current Holder of of the Fartest Flown Award
Current Holder of the Purple Boots (although I haven't had the nerve to wea
r them in public)
> Subject: Commander-List: Oil pressure low hot idle.
> From: adam(at)adamfrisch.com D
> Date: Fri=2C 6 Jan 2012 12:11:13 -0800
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> I was reading Moe's response in another unrelated thread:
>
>
> > Generally=2C if the engine is very worn with lots of clearance between
the worn parts=2C which allows the oil to escape back into the sump using t
he path of least resistance=2C your biggest problem will be at hot idle (lo
w oil pump speed and lots of clearance for the oil to squirt out at). When
I had two very worn engines in my bird the oil pressure would barely stay i
n the green in the air=2C however=2C on the ground and hot there was not en
ough oil pressure (below 35PSI) to make the fuel metering system work=2C so
it would run so rich that it was hard to keep it lit when landing=2C and y
ou had to manually lean it out on the roll out.
>
>
> And that's exactly how my engine behaves. When's she's really hot and has
been running for about 1hr=2C the oil pressure drops just below the green
arc at idle=2C but never in the air. Also=2C the right engine can quit when
you throttle back at high altitude landings on rollout. It's happened to m
e twice as I tried to taxi away only to find the right engine not turning.
Now=2C that could have something to do with pressure carb=2C but then again
it could not. Could this be related?
>
> But what I don't understand is what has the oil pressure got to to with t
he fuel pressure/mixture? Is it right of me to assume that they're unrelate
d=2C or is the low oil pressure at hot idle a sign that my engine might nee
d an overhaul soon?
>
> --------
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362598#362598
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
Lloyd, thanks for the offer but we are too far along and I think we can get
there from here. The batteries we are using are just like the Concord and we
put them on their side and bottom to bottom. I think these are 25 amps each.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
JIM ,I HAVE TWIN COMMANDER ENGINEERING ORDER 5800211. IT'S FOR CONVERSION OF
THE 500B 24V BATTERY TO TWO 12V CONCORDES. IT'S AN EASY JOB AND VERY COST
EFFECTIVE AS WELL AS PROVIDING MORE AMP HOURS AND PROBABLY LONGER LIFI. GOOD
LUCK, LLOYD. N6290X.
PS : SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS USE # 800211.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It is a
much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft
batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given an
$850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something like
$185 each and don't last as long. These are waterless so you don't have to
vent them and they don't leak. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from
John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John's battery setup? What's different about it
from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don't have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get
an approval for John's battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy
that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any
FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can't say no so I
think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane
but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may
have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection
instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I
hope you don't have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY......John Towner, Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at least
the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The
factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were
not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I
could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John
Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used
door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal
that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back
in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 06, 2012
These are B & C batteries, that is what John's STC called for, together they
are lighter than the 24V battery.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Jim, if you are talking of gell batts the lead acid are much better and
cheaper, they withstand temp changes and you get the 'tiltite' caps (12v).
Donnie 205/492-8444
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
John, the STC is for the 500B but did not include any other models. It is a
much cheaper battery that is much better than the regular aircraft
batteries. I paid $300 for the two 12 volt batteries where I was given an
$850 for the 24 volt. The aircraft 12 volt batteries were something like
$185 each and don't last as long. These are waterless so you don't have to
vent them and they don't leak. You have a 500B sot you can get the STC from
John for your plane and not have any problems. Jim
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Jim, what is special about John's battery setup? What's different about it
from a normal 500B? (signed, a curious 500B owner)
Good luck with your install. I hope you don't have to undo/redo it.
/John
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
It might not be that easy. I have been trying for at least 10 years to get
an approval for John's battery set up for my 500A. I finally found a guy
that is a designee for the FAA and he is more crotchety than just about any
FAA inspector. He said, after a few choice words, they can't say no so I
think I am just about to get the approval. We have it installed in the plane
but may have to take it out and take a picture and then put it back. I may
have made a big mistake in doing it while we are doing the annual inspection
instead of after.
I would like to some day have a front door put in my 500A, good luck and I
hope you don't have any problems.
Jim Addington
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY...... John Towner , Central Air owns and STC (SA2803CE) for at
least the model 500B, should be the same for your airplane. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: yourtcfg <yourtcfg(at)aol.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea who
owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The
factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were
not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I
could see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required
too much effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but
should have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John
Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used
door will cost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal
that, maybe more. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back
in the value of the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost
nothing as they leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thanks.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another
airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side door
in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..??
Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Five Lessons About the way we Treat People
Date: Jan 07, 2012
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Date: Jan 07, 2012
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From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Five Lessons About the way we Treat People
Date: Jan 07, 2012
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 07, 2012
Thanks Bill,
I may give you a call if we proceed.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes
approved data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John
Towner can't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors
may be.
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone
-----Original message-----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Thanks JB =93 great information.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea
who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of
that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed
several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC
installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the
Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from
the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items
that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin
with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders
and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-,
and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if
done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the
airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they
leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..?
Thanks.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from
another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side
door in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this
work..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: wooow!
Date: Jan 08, 2012
Click here to see the attached video
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pilot Side Door
From: "Calvin D. Alston" <alsmgt(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: Jan 08, 2012
Randy,
I'm sure jimmy Schiller at palm beach aviation has a front door on the shelf
. If you need his number let me know.
Dale Alston
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA" wro
te:
> Thanks Bill,
> I may give you a call if we proceed.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BillLeff1(at)aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:15 PM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
>
> I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes approve
d data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John Towner can
't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors may be.
>
> Bill Leff
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
>
> Thanks JB =93 great information.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
>
> HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea wh
o owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of that and
would be the best place to have it done, having installed several. The fac
tory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC installations were not t
hat great. I just delivered a 500B to the Caribbean with a door and I could
see daylight around much of it from the pilot seat. It also required too m
uch effort to operate. All items that can probably be addressed, but should
have be done right to begin with. Another source might be John Towner in K
C. He owns 35 Commanders and every one has a front door. A used door will c
ost about $7500 +/-, and the installation will at least equal that, maybe mo
re. Finished, if done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value o
f the airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as th
ey leak water, cold air and noise. jb
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: commander-list
> Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
>
> Hi JB,
> Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..? Thank
s.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg(at)aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
>
> HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but cer
tainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from another airfr
ame (I may know where there is one). jb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
> To: commander-list
> Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
> Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
> Hello Commander Fans,
> Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side do
or in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this work..?? Th
anks very much.
>
> Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
> 680F / N6253X
>
>
>
> Dettmer Architecture
> 663 Hill Street
> San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
> 805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
> www.dettmerarchitecture.com
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)Hotmail.com>
Subject: wooow!
Date: Jan 08, 2012
Hello folks=2C
Someone has hacked into my email and is sending out who knows what. I'm sor
ry=2C and am trying to fix the problem. I will not send any emails for 2 we
eks=2C so anything you receive is not from me.
Thanks and sorry for the problem=2C
Roland Gilliam
From: amg3636(at)hotmail.com
Subject: Commander-List: wooow!
Date: Sun=2C 8 Jan 2012 08:46:00 +0000
Click here to see the attached video
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Pilot Side Door
Date: Jan 08, 2012
Thanks Dale,
I=99ll let you know if I need a door.
Randy
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Calvin
D. Alston
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Randy,
I'm sure jimmy Schiller at palm beach aviation has a front door on the
shelf. If you need his number let me know.
Dale Alston
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Randy Dettmer, AIA"
wrote:
Thanks Bill,
I may give you a call if we proceed.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BillLeff1(at)aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
I installed my front door on a field approval (hint - that becomes
approved data). It fits better than any factory door I have seen. I John
Towner can't help you let me know, I may l know where a couple of doors
may be.
Bill Leff
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Phone
-----Original message-----
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 19:07:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Thanks JB =93 great information.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY.....There is an STC for the door installation. I have no Idea
who owns it or how to find out. Morris Kernick is the best source of
that and would be the best place to have it done, having installed
several. The factory also did several. They fit the best. Some STC
installations were not that great. I just delivered a 500B to the
Caribbean with a door and I could see daylight around much of it from
the pilot seat. It also required too much effort to operate. All items
that can probably be addressed, but should have be done right to begin
with. Another source might be John Towner in KC. He owns 35 Commanders
and every one has a front door. A used door will cost about $7500 +/-,
and the installation will at least equal that, maybe more. Finished, if
done correctly, it will ad most of that back in the value of the
airplane. Doors that are improperly installed ad almost nothing as they
leak water, cold air and noise. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hi JB,
Any idea on the cost and who would be a good shop for such a job..?
Thanks.
Randy
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
] On Behalf Of
yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
HI RANDY Yes, it can be done. It is expensive and time consuming, but
certainly possible. You would need to locate a "donor door" from
another airframe (I may know where there is one). jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA < <mailto:rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
commander-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Commander-List: Pilot Side Door
Hello Commander Fans,
Does anyone out there know about the process of installing a pilot side
door in a 680F..?? Is it possible..?? Cost..?? Who can do this
work..?? Thanks very much.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com <http://www.dettmerarchitecture.com/>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: FACEBOOK PAGE
Date: Jan 08, 2012
FYI,
Our facebook page can now be reached by going to
www.facebook.com/commanderflight
Thanks,
Nico
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: A correction
Date: Jan 10, 2012
Hi Bert,
You might recall that there was some confusion as to whether 690A s/n 11315
became XA-OUJ or XA-UOJ when N561TC was cancelled in July 2010.
>From memory, I had XA-UOJ originally, then corrected it to XA-OUJ when the
attached photo was found.
It was compared to the shot of it in the former marks N561TC, which is also
attached and it certainly seems to be the same aircraft.
When I sent comments to a few Air-Britain guys re the FAA changes from last
week, one of them said a contact of his in Mexico maintained it was XA-UOJ
after all.
Consequently, I sent a request to a friend in the FAA PD Room and they
kindly send a .pdf file of the Mexican Telex confirming cancellation, and
this clearly shows XA-UOJ and as usual, they show the radio call letters as
"Extra Alfa Union Oscar Julieta".
So, it now looks as though "XA-OUJ" was painted on this 690A in error for
XA-UOJ.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
From: BertBerry1(at)aol.com
Date: Jan 10, 2012
Subject: Re: A correction
Thanks Barry,
Now in understand that it is N31BV back in the states. Its been painted
about a dozen different times.
Bert
In a message dated 1/10/2012 8:19:37 A.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Bert,
You might recall that there was some confusion as to whether 690A s/n
11315 became XA-OUJ or XA-UOJ when N561TC was cancelled in July 2010.
>From memory, I had XA-UOJ originally, then corrected it to XA-OUJ when the
attached photo was found.
It was compared to the shot of it in the former marks N561TC, which is
also attached and it certainly seems to be the same aircraft.
When I sent comments to a few Air-Britain guys re the FAA changes from
last week, one of them said a contact of his in Mexico maintained it was
XA-UOJ after all.
Consequently, I sent a request to a friend in the FAA PD Room and they
kindly send a .pdf file of the Mexican Telex confirming cancellation, and
this
clearly shows XA-UOJ and as usual, they show the radio call letters as
=9C
Extra Alfa Union Oscar Julieta=9D.
So, it now looks as though =9CXA-OUJ=9D was painted on this 69
0A in error for
XA-UOJ.
Best Regards,
Barry
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)verizon.net>
Subject: FW: NEW VIRUS WARNING FOR REAL
Date: Jan 10, 2012
I checked it out too and it is true. Jim
Subject: NEW VIRUS WARNING FOR REAL
Friends,
I went to snopes.com and checked this email before sending it to you and it
is TRUE. Also beware of any email telling you to open utube about obama.
Pass this on to everyone.
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 12:30:07 -0800 From: Lois Murray Subject: Virus
Warning To:
URGENT!!
PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS NOTICE TO YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, CONTACTS!
In the coming days, you should be aware.....Do not open any message with an
attachment called: Invitation FACEBOOK, regardless of who sent it. It is a
virus that opens an OlympIc torch that burns the whole hard disc C of your
computer.
This virus will be received from someone you had in your address book.
That's why you should send this message to all your contacts. It is better
to receive this email 25 times than to receive the virus and open it.
If you receive an email called: Invitation FACEBOOK, though sent by a
friend, do not open it and delete it immediately. It is the worst virus
announced by CNN. A new virus has been discovered recently that has been
classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever.
It is a Trojan Horse that asks you to install an adobe flash plug-in. Once
you install it, it's all over. And there is no repair yet for this kind of
virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where
the vital information of their function is saved.
SNOPES SAYS THIS IS TRUE............
<http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/youtube.asp>
http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/youtube.asp
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
Date: Jan 13, 2012
It looks like New Mexico is cutting way back on its fleet. Does anyone know
about their Turbo Commander? Sir Barry?
Regards,
Stan
http://www.kfoxtv.com/ap/ap/new-mexico/gov-martinez-to-sell-more-planes/nGLs
p/
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
Date: Jan 13, 2012
Hi Stan,
The State of New Mexico have a 690C, s/n 11730 N835CC and as the news item
states, it is a 1983 example and has been owned since new.
Could be a nice one if it comes onto the market?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stan
Sent: 13 January 2012 21:13
Subject: Commander-List: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
It looks like New Mexico is cutting way back on its fleet. Does anyone know
about their Turbo Commander? Sir Barry?
Regards,
Stan
http://www.kfoxtv.com/ap/ap/new-mexico/gov-martinez-to-sell-more-planes/nGL
sp/
________________________________________________________________________________
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
Date: Jan 13, 2012
The 840 (690C) is a nice plane and the state uses it a lot along with the older
KingAir.
The Vulcanair is new in 2009 that the state bought. it replaced an older 180 or
185 that they use to track animals and count wild life.
I have seen both at airports around the state.
The state also rents aircraft from several of the FBO's around the state.
New Mexico is a big state with lots of not much in between.
I have a project installing an AVGAS tank in Clayton, NM that is 295 miles from
Albuquerque one way.
Not sure what they are going to do by selling two aircraft.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Stan wrote:
> It looks like New Mexico is cutting way back on its fleet. Does anyone know about
their Turbo Commander? Sir Barry?
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
> http://www.kfoxtv.com/ap/ap/new-mexico/gov-martinez-to-sell-more-planes/nGLsp/
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
Date: Jan 13, 2012
I wonder if NM would like to trade that 840 straight across for a well-loved
500B? They'd maintain the ability to fly, and the downsizing should play
well with the constituency.
/J
PS: Because that's pretty much the only way I'll make the leap to kerosene,
unless this economy really picks up some speed.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
The 840 (690C) is a nice plane and the state uses it a lot along with the
older KingAir.
The Vulcanair is new in 2009 that the state bought. it replaced an older
180 or 185 that they use to track animals and count wild life.
I have seen both at airports around the state.
The state also rents aircraft from several of the FBO's around the state.
New Mexico is a big state with lots of not much in between.
I have a project installing an AVGAS tank in Clayton, NM that is 295 miles
from Albuquerque one way.
Not sure what they are going to do by selling two aircraft.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Stan wrote:
It looks like New Mexico is cutting way back on its fleet. Does anyone know
about their Turbo Commander? Sir Barry?
Regards,
Stan
http://www.kfoxtv.com/ap/ap/new-mexico/gov-martinez-to-sell-more-planes/nGLs
p/
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;
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style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
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________________________________________________________________________________
From: "lloyd silverman" <lloydsss11(at)MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo Commander
Date: Jan 13, 2012
JOHN, MAYBE TWO 500B'S.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com>
To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo
Commander
I wonder if NM would like to trade that 840 straight across for a
well-loved 500B? They'd maintain the ability to fly, and the downsizing
should play well with the constituency.
/J
PS: Because that's pretty much the only way I'll make the leap to
kerosene, unless this economy really picks up some speed.
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 4:10 PM
To: Commander list
Subject: Re: Commander-List: New Mexico is selling its 1983 Turbo
Commander
The 840 (690C) is a nice plane and the state uses it a lot along with
the older KingAir.
The Vulcanair is new in 2009 that the state bought. it replaced an
older 180 or 185 that they use to track animals and count wild life.
I have seen both at airports around the state.
The state also rents aircraft from several of the FBO's around the
state.
New Mexico is a big state with lots of not much in between.
I have a project installing an AVGAS tank in Clayton, NM that is 295
miles from Albuquerque one way.
Not sure what they are going to do by selling two aircraft.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 13, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Stan wrote:
It looks like New Mexico is cutting way back on its fleet. Does anyone
know about their Turbo Commander? Sir Barry? Regards,Stan
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Subject: 680E for sale on Ebay...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jan 18, 2012
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-Aero-Commander-Twin-Commander-680E-Supercharged-/110811306012?pt=Motors_Aircraft&hash=item19ccde581c#ht_534wt_1167
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Date: Jan 19, 2012
From: gmosh(at)charter.net
Subject: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/18/12
To all Commanderites,
The time has come to sell my '54 straight 560 serial # 173 N206DX.
Although I hate to even consider parting it out as I would much prefer
to see it remain a flying airplane I may not have the option but to sell
the parts.
Both the engines were gone through (cases split, new bearings,
rings hydraulic units etc., etc) and they sound great, with manifold
pressures identical. The props were gone thru several years ago but are
out of calendar. The airplane has been hangared for the last 15 years
of its life (at my airpark home) but flown little and it's a shame to
have it sit. It's been my project baby and wouldn't take much to finish
it into a nice ride.
She's in ferryable condition. It has a King Silver Crown radio
stack in the panel which has been modernized to the 6 pack
instrumentation layout
My Commander is located in Zeeland Michigan at The Ottawa
Executive Airport - Z98 at in my attached hangar. My cell phone # is
(616) 748-1795 Gary Moshluk N206DX
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> Subject: Commander-List: 680E for sale on Ebay...
> From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1960-Aero-Commander-Twin-Commander-680E-Supercharged-/110811306012?pt=Motors_Aircraft&hash=item19ccde581c#ht_534wt_1167
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Subject: Re: 680E for sale on Ebay...
From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie(at)UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Date: Jan 19, 2012
Hey Adam,
thanks for the post; N777LS was also for sale in 2009, sadly she does not seem
to fly much... (unless of course they changed engines and props)
In 2009 it was advertised as having 247 hrs SMOH on the engines and 317 SPOH. Now
it is advertised as having 258 hrs SMOH and 249.7 SPOH?
I'm not trying to be picky here but the total time somehow has also not changed
between now and 2009: 4739TT.
Bottom line this bird sits a lot, but being based in ID we know someone who would
know the scoop if anyone is really interested. It must be a real sad situation
to depart with a Commander but it makes sense if you are not flying the bird
anymore. By the way, the price also used to be 110K!
Sooo Adam, don't feel too bad about your 520, you've already put more hours on
your first month than this bird in 2 years!
Take care,
p.
--------
560 Dreamer
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Subject: Re: 680E for sale on Ebay...
From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2012
Team,
I have been watching this aircraft for some time. It has been listed on My Plane.com
for $75,000.
Talking to Jim Bob, when it was purchased sometime ago, Morris did an annual on
it. It has been inside a hangar for most of the time.
The company that owns it, makes plane movers. NW Mfg, Inc. Powertow.com There
is one of their units in the photos.
Looks like nice equipment, radios and A/P STek 50.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Peter Bichier wrote:
>
> Hey Adam,
>
> thanks for the post; N777LS was also for sale in 2009, sadly she does not seem
to fly much... (unless of course they changed engines and props)
>
> In 2009 it was advertised as having 247 hrs SMOH on the engines and 317 SPOH.
Now it is advertised as having 258 hrs SMOH and 249.7 SPOH?
>
> I'm not trying to be picky here but the total time somehow has also not changed
between now and 2009: 4739TT.
>
> Bottom line this bird sits a lot, but being based in ID we know someone who would
know the scoop if anyone is really interested. It must be a real sad situation
to depart with a Commander but it makes sense if you are not flying the
bird anymore. By the way, the price also used to be 110K!
>
> Sooo Adam, don't feel too bad about your 520, you've already put more hours on
your first month than this bird in 2 years!
>
> Take care,
>
> p.
>
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> 560 Dreamer
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Subject: Re: 680E for sale on Ebay...
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jan 19, 2012
It's a nice price and she looks to be in pretty good shape. But I wouldn't trade
my 520 for anything... At least not now when I've spent $35K on her!!! [Shocked]
[Crying or Very sad]
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Adam
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From: "cybersuperstore" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Is this a mistake?
Date: Jan 24, 2012
Look at the total hours of this 680E for under $50K
http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Twin_Engine_Piston_Aircraft/Twin_
Commander/Twin_Commander__680E_for_sale_62165.html#
Nico
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From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Is this a mistake?
Date: Jan 24, 2012
Looks like he has ttaf confused with ttsmoh L/R.
Roland
From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com
Subject: Commander-List: Is this a mistake?
Date: Tue=2C 24 Jan 2012 08:49:57 -0800
Look at the total hours of this 680E for under $50K
http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_sale/Twin_Engine_Piston_Aircraft/Twin
_Commander/Twin_Commander__680E_for_sale_62165.html#
Nico
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Subject: Re: Is this a mistake?
From: "stratobee" <adam(at)adamfrisch.com>
Date: Jan 24, 2012
This one has been for sale for ages - even longer than I've had mine. Don't know
why it doesn't shift for that price, so there's something not right.
--------
Adam
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From: Zac Armstrong <transam403(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is this a mistake?
Date: Jan 25, 2012
Curiosity killed the cat and I called on this airplane about a year ago. I
t hasn't been flown in ages and=2C as a matter of fact=2C hasn't moved in q
uite some time. They said it would "require some work" although I wasn't i
nterested enough at the time to ask what that entailed. Even though the en
gines are good time it looks like a money pit (more so than most).
Zac
www.allegianceaviation.com
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ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to
liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f
rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy
to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc
eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r
emember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa
ntayana.
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Is this a mistake?
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> Date: Tue=2C 24 Jan 2012 18:03:28 -0800
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
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From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: N6253X
Date: Jan 27, 2012
Hello Commander fans..!!
Just want to remind you all that N6253X is still for sale. 680F with low
time airframe and engines in good condition, regularly flown and maintained.
Had a flight on Wednesday up to the Bay Area and back - the airplane is
really humming along. 190 kts true, 2700 lbs useful load. Listed at
$149,000 with McDonald Aviation. See link below for the Controller listing
and specs. Happy and safe flying ..!!!
http://www.controller.com/list/list.aspx?ETID=1&catid=9&Manu=COMMANDER&setyp
e=1
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680F / N6253X
Description: logoRED-126x38@72dpi
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 27, 2012
Hi folks=2C
I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization
supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF0338007
8. If you do not have a complete motor=2C I really only need the roller be
aring inside the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure=2C it's just t
hat it is so noisy that even drivers of early Lears complain about the nois
e on the tarmac.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
Cell # (310) 350-4594
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 27, 2012
Hi Moe,
Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And if
the bearing is chattering, how is the shaft holding up?
Regards,
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Hi folks,
I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization
supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF03380078.
If you do not have a complete motor, I really only need the roller bearing
inside the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure, it's just that it is
so noisy that even drivers of early Lears complain about the noise on the
tarmac.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
Cell # (310) 350-4594
________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 28, 2012
From: gmosh(at)charter.net
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Moe,
Unless absolutely necessary, no design engineer would utilize
specialized bearings in an assembly if a suitable one was available off
the shelf. The cost of producing a special bearing produced in small
numbers would be prohibitive. The bearing will likely sport a
chemically etched part # on the race which you can use to find the
replacement. With a little research, you should be able to find the
bearing you need. {Never under any circumstances tell the bearing
supplier its for an airplane....."It's for my garden tractor"}
I have successfully sourced seals, bearings etc. for my Commander from
manufactures catalogs. I needed a seal for the gear box which I
purchased from an engine re builder. The Chicago Rawhide package the
seal came in was unopened (from the factory); was obviously not
inspected (I wasn't surprised!) by Lycoming and the package simply
stamped with the Lycoming part number and of course - marked up
astronomically.
Hope this helps.
Gary
N206DX
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Stan wrote:
Hi Moe,
Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And
if the bearing is chattering, how is the shaft holding up?
Regards,
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe
Mills
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Hi folks,
I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary
pressurization supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor
tag is MF03380078. If you do not have a complete motor, I really only
need the roller bearing inside the pump. My pump still puts out good
pressure, it's just that it is so noisy that even drivers of early Lears
complain about the noise on the tarmac.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
Cell # (310) 350-4594
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<http://www.matronics.com/contribution>
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Date: Jan 28, 2012
From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Amen Gary! I have great luck with "Motion Industries" for both brgs and sea
ls.=0A=0A=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A=0A>_______________________
_________=0A>From: "gmosh(at)charter.net" <gmosh(at)charter.net>=0A>To: commander
-list(at)matronics.com =0A>Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:46 AM=0A>Subjec
t: RE: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.=0A>=0A>=0A>Moe,=0A>=0A>Unless a
bsolutely necessary, no design engineer would utilize specialized bearings
in an assembly if a suitable one was available off the shelf.- The cost o
f producing a special bearing produced in small numbers would be prohibitiv
e.- The bearing will likely sport a chemically etched part # on the race
which you can use to find the replacement.- With a little research, you s
hould be able to find the bearing you need.- {Never under any circumstanc
es tell the bearing supplier its for an airplane....."It's for my garden tr
actor"}- =0A>=0A>I have successfully sourced seals, bearings etc. for my
Commander from manufactures catalogs.- I needed a seal for the gear box w
hich I purchased from an engine re builder.- The Chicago Rawhide package
the seal came in was unopened (from the factory); was obviously not inspect
ed (I wasn't surprised!) by Lycoming and the package simply stamped with th
e Lycoming part number and of course - marked up astronomically.=0A>=0A>Hop
e this helps.=0A>=0A>Gary=0A>N206DX---- =0A>=0A>=0A>On Fri, Jan 27,
2012 at 7:02 PM, Stan wrote:=0A>=0A>-Hi Moe, =0A>- =0A>Is it possible
that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And if the bearing is
chattering, how is the shaft holding up? =0A>- =0A>Regards, =0A>Stan =0A
>- =0A>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-comm
ander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills =0A>Sent: Friday, J
anuary 27, 2012 3:37 PM =0A>To: Com =0A>Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor
for Pres. =0A>- =0A>Hi folks, =0A>- =0A>I need a serviceable Vickers H
ydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization supercharger on my 680F(p).
- The part number on the motor tag is MF03380078.- If you do not have a
complete motor, I really only need the roller bearing inside the pump.-
My pump still puts out good pressure, it's just that it is so noisy that ev
en drivers of early Lears complain about the noise on the tarmac. =0A>-
=0A>Regards, =0A>- =0A>Moe Mills =0A>N680RR =0A>Cell # (310) 350-4594 =0A
>- =0A>--- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http:/
/forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution-- =0A>ww.ma
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From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall(at)mac.com>
Subject: Re: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 28, 2012
Moe,
There is a Motion Industries in Farmington, NM
I buy lots of stuff from them from the the ABQ store.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:46 AM, gmosh(at)charter.net wrote:
> Moe,
>
> Unless absolutely necessary, no design engineer would utilize specialized bearings
in an assembly if a suitable one was available off the shelf. The cost
of producing a special bearing produced in small numbers would be prohibitive.
The bearing will likely sport a chemically etched part # on the race which you
can use to find the replacement. With a little research, you should be able
to find the bearing you need. {Never under any circumstances tell the bearing
supplier its for an airplane....."It's for my garden tractor"}
>
> I have successfully sourced seals, bearings etc. for my Commander from manufactures
catalogs. I needed a seal for the gear box which I purchased from an engine
re builder. The Chicago Rawhide package the seal came in was unopened (from
the factory); was obviously not inspected (I wasn't surprised!) by Lycoming
and the package simply stamped with the Lycoming part number and of course
- marked up astronomically.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gary
> N206DX
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Stan wrote:
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And if the
bearing is chattering, how is the shaft holding up?
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: Com
> Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization supercharger
on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF03380078. If
you do not have a complete motor, I really only need the roller bearing inside
the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure, it's just that it is so noisy
that even drivers of early Lears complain about the noise on the tarmac.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> Cell # (310) 350-4594
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 29, 2012
Thanks guys=2C I was "Trolling".
Tyler=2C Motion Industries is good=2C however=2C for machinery parts and so
fourth I seem to be better off at Animus Bearing.
Regards=2C
Moe
N680RR
From: tylorhall(at)mac.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Sat=2C 28 Jan 2012 15:52:56 -0700
Moe=2C
There is a Motion Industries in Farmington=2C NM
I buy lots of stuff from them from the the ABQ store.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 28=2C 2012=2C at 10:46 AM=2C gmosh(at)charter.net wrote:
Moe=2C
Unless absolutely necessary=2C no design engineer would utilize specialized
bearings in an assembly if a suitable one was available off the shelf. Th
e cost of producing a special bearing produced in small numbers would be pr
ohibitive. The bearing will likely sport a chemically etched part # on the
race which you can use to find the replacement. With a little research=2C
you should be able to find the bearing you need. {Never under any circums
tances tell the bearing supplier its for an airplane....."It's for my garde
n tractor"}
I have successfully sourced seals=2C bearings etc. for my Commander from ma
nufactures catalogs. I needed a seal for the gear box which I purchased fr
om an engine re builder. The Chicago Rawhide package the seal came in was
unopened (from the factory)=3B was obviously not inspected (I wasn't surpri
sed!) by Lycoming and the package simply stamped with the Lycoming part num
ber and of course - marked up astronomically.
Hope this helps.
Gary
N206DX
On Fri=2C Jan 27=2C 2012 at 7:02 PM=2C Stan wrote:
Hi Moe=2C
Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And if
the bearing is chattering=2C how is the shaft holding up?
Regards=2C
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Friday=2C January 27=2C 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Hi folks=2C
I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization
supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF0338007
8. If you do not have a complete motor=2C I really only need the roller be
aring inside the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure=2C it's just t
hat it is so noisy that even drivers of early Lears complain about the nois
e on the tarmac.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
Cell # (310) 350-4594
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matroni
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 29, 2012
From: swperk(at)earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Fri=2C 27 Jan 2012 16:02:23 -0800
Hi Moe=2C
Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And if
the bearing is chattering=2C how is the shaft holding up?
Regards=2C
Stan
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Friday=2C January 27=2C 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Hi folks=2C
I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization
supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF0338007
8. If you do not have a complete motor=2C I really only need the roller be
aring inside the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure=2C it's just t
hat it is so noisy that even drivers of early Lears complain about the nois
e on the tarmac.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
Cell # (310) 350-4594
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igator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
Hi Stan=2C Thanks for the input. I was "Trolling". Hope all is well in yo
ur world=2C tell Bob I said Hi. Moe N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Stan" <swperk(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 29, 2012
Hi Moe,
I just did, and he sends his regards right back to you!
Stan
Hi Stan,
Thanks for the input. I was "Trolling". Hope all is well in your world,
tell Bob I said Hi.
Moe
N680RR
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Jan 31, 2012
Commander Folks=2C
Rumors persist that 2012 will be the last race at Reno. Anyone up to havin
g the fly in there? If we meet there=2C perhaps=2C we can borrow the Buick
from the local FBO.
Regards=2C
Moe
N680RR
680F(p)
From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Sun=2C 29 Jan 2012 10:25:47 -0700
Thanks guys=2C I was "Trolling".
Tyler=2C Motion Industries is good=2C however=2C for machinery parts and so
fourth I seem to be better off at Animus Bearing.
Regards=2C
Moe
N680RR
From: tylorhall(at)mac.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Date: Sat=2C 28 Jan 2012 15:52:56 -0700
Moe=2C
There is a Motion Industries in Farmington=2C NM
I buy lots of stuff from them from the the ABQ store.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 28=2C 2012=2C at 10:46 AM=2C gmosh(at)charter.net wrote:
Moe=2C
Unless absolutely necessary=2C no design engineer would utilize specialized
bearings in an assembly if a suitable one was available off the shelf. Th
e cost of producing a special bearing produced in small numbers would be pr
ohibitive. The bearing will likely sport a chemically etched part # on the
race which you can use to find the replacement. With a little research=2C
you should be able to find the bearing you need. {Never under any circums
tances tell the bearing supplier its for an airplane....."It's for my garde
n tractor"}
I have successfully sourced seals=2C bearings etc. for my Commander from ma
nufactures catalogs. I needed a seal for the gear box which I purchased fr
om an engine re builder. The Chicago Rawhide package the seal came in was
unopened (from the factory)=3B was obviously not inspected (I wasn't surpri
sed!) by Lycoming and the package simply stamped with the Lycoming part num
ber and of course - marked up astronomically.
Hope this helps.
Gary
N206DX
On Fri=2C Jan 27=2C 2012 at 7:02 PM=2C Stan wrote:
Hi Moe=2C
Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And if
the bearing is chattering=2C how is the shaft holding up?
Regards=2C
Stan
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t-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
Sent: Friday=2C January 27=2C 2012 3:37 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
Hi folks=2C
I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurization
supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF0338007
8. If you do not have a complete motor=2C I really only need the roller be
aring inside the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure=2C it's just t
hat it is so noisy that even drivers of early Lears complain about the nois
e on the tarmac.
Regards=2C
Moe Mills
N680RR
Cell # (310) 350-4594
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Subject: Re: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
From: Russell Legg <aero560e(at)GMAIL.COM>
Date: Feb 01, 2012
Sounds like a great idea Moe!
I vote for Reno
Sent from my iPhone
On 01/02/2012, at 2:20 PM, Moe Mills wrote:
> Commander Folks,
>
> Rumors persist that 2012 will be the last race at Reno. Anyone up to havi
ng the fly in there? If we meet there, perhaps, we can borrow the Buick fro
m the local FBO.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> 680F(p)
> From: moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:25:47 -0700
>
> Thanks guys, I was "Trolling".
>
> Tyler, Motion Industries is good, however, for machinery parts and so four
th I seem to be better off at Animus Bearing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> N680RR
>
> From: tylorhall(at)mac.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:52:56 -0700
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>
> Moe,
> There is a Motion Industries in Farmington, NM
> I buy lots of stuff from them from the the ABQ store.
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:46 AM, gmosh(at)charter.net wrote:
>
> Moe,
>
> Unless absolutely necessary, no design engineer would utilize specialized b
earings in an assembly if a suitable one was available off the shelf. The c
ost of producing a special bearing produced in small numbers would be prohib
itive. The bearing will likely sport a chemically etched part # on the race
which you can use to find the replacement. With a little research, you sho
uld be able to find the bearing you need. {Never under any circumstances te
ll the bearing supplier its for an airplane....."It's for my garden tractor"
}
>
> I have successfully sourced seals, bearings etc. for my Commander from man
ufactures catalogs. I needed a seal for the gear box which I purchased from
an engine re builder. The Chicago Rawhide package the seal came in was uno
pened (from the factory); was obviously not inspected (I wasn't surprised!) b
y Lycoming and the package simply stamped with the Lycoming part number and o
f course - marked up astronomically.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gary
> N206DX
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Stan wrote:
>
> Hi Moe,
>
> Is it possible that the roller bearing is an industry standard part? And i
f the bearing is chattering, how is the shaft holding up?
>
> Regards,
> Stan
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM
> To: Com
> Subject: Commander-List: Hyd. Motor for Pres.
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I need a serviceable Vickers Hydraulic Motor for the primary pressurizatio
n supercharger on my 680F(p). The part number on the motor tag is MF0338007
8. If you do not have a complete motor, I really only need the roller beari
ng inside the pump. My pump still puts out good pressure, it's just that it
is so noisy that even drivers of early Lears complain about the noise on th
e tarmac.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe Mills
> N680RR
> Cell # (310) 350-4594
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matron
ics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 05, 2012
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: PURPLE BOOTS
ONLY IF YOU PROMISE TO WEAR THEM:-))
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
Date: Feb 08, 2012
COMMANDERLAND'
DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A
680t
680flp
680F(p)
THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT?
THANX!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
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Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/12
From: daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com
Date: Feb 08, 2012
Moe. I have heard of one in Farmington.
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From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Commander-List: SALVAGE OR DERALICT COMMANDER
COMMANDERLAND'
DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A
680t
680flp
680F(p)
THAT IS EITHER DERALICT OR BEING PARTED OUT?
THANX!
Moe Mills
N680RR
680F(p)
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/12
Date: Feb 08, 2012
From: "Steele, Bob" <Bob.Steele(at)kzf.com>
Wow - Moe - that's where you live! How lucky!
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Moe. I have heard of one in Farmington.
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